Can Play Change the World? | Play@TED Full Event | TED, the LEGO Group and the LEGO Foundation

Hello. Hello. Hi everyone. Hello to Hello. Hello. Hi everyone. Hello to everyone on the live stream. Hello to everyone on the live stream. Hello to everyone on the live stream. Hello to everyone here in the room. Welcome to everyone here in the room. Welcome to everyone here in the room. Welcome to Play a TED. We are going to have such an Play a TED. We are going to have such an Play a TED. We are going to have such an incredible time here together. Um, my incredible time here together. Um, my incredible time here together. Um, my name is Chris Duffy. I am the host of name is Chris Duffy. I am the host of name is Chris Duffy. I am the host of Ted's How to Be a Better Human podcast. Ted's How to Be a Better Human podcast. Ted's How to Be a Better Human podcast. I am a comedian and I wrote a book all I am a comedian and I wrote a book all I am a comedian and I wrote a book all about how to laugh more every day. But about how to laugh more every day. But about how to laugh more every day. But this is true. If you were to Google me, this is true. If you were to Google me, this is true. If you were to Google me, that is not necessarily what will come that is not necessarily what will come that is not necessarily what will come up. If you Google me, and what I'm about up. If you Google me, and what I'm about up. If you Google me, and what I'm about to show you is very it's important for to show you is very it's important for to show you is very it's important for me to let you know that this is not me to let you know that this is not me to let you know that this is not edited or doctorred in any way. If you edited or doctorred in any way. If you edited or doctorred in any way. If you Google me, this is the Google image Google me, this is the Google image Google me, this is the Google image result that comes up. result that comes up. result that comes up. Now, I I love what I love most about Now, I I love what I love most about Now, I I love what I love most about that is that one of them is me. That's that is that one of them is me. That's that is that one of them is me. That's just my little punim in there going just my little punim in there going just my little punim in there going like, "Hey, I'm here, too." And actually like, "Hey, I'm here, too." And actually like, "Hey, I'm here, too." And actually both of us, both that Chris Duffy and both of us, both that Chris Duffy and both of us, both that Chris Duffy and this Chris Duffy, we are both so glad to this Chris Duffy, we are both so glad to this Chris Duffy, we are both so glad to be here today hosting Play at Ted. And be here today hosting Play at Ted. And be here today hosting Play at Ted. And um this is an incredible, incredible, um this is an incredible, incredible, um this is an incredible, incredible, incredible event. I believe so deeply in incredible event. I believe so deeply in incredible event. I believe so deeply in the importance of play, in the the importance of play, in the the importance of play, in the importance of goofing around. I'm a importance of goofing around. I'm a importance of goofing around. I'm a professional goofball. And at the heart professional goofball. And at the heart professional goofball. And at the heart of this event, at the heart of play, it of this event, at the heart of play, it of this event, at the heart of play, it said is a simple belief that young said is a simple belief that young said is a simple belief that young people aren't just participants in this people aren't just participants in this people aren't just participants in this conversation. They are essential to it.

conversation. They are essential to it. conversation. They are essential to it. And from the very beginning, we designed And from the very beginning, we designed And from the very beginning, we designed this experience with youth voice at the this experience with youth voice at the this experience with youth voice at the center. We began this initiative by center. We began this initiative by center. We began this initiative by bringing together more than 300 students bringing together more than 300 students bringing together more than 300 students from across the world, more than 27 from across the world, more than 27 from across the world, more than 27 countries. And they shared their stories countries. And they shared their stories countries. And they shared their stories and their insights about play, what it and their insights about play, what it and their insights about play, what it means to them, how it helps them to means to them, how it helps them to means to them, how it helps them to build real world skills, and why it build real world skills, and why it build real world skills, and why it should be an even bigger part of how should be an even bigger part of how should be an even bigger part of how they learn and grow. And beyond today, they learn and grow. And beyond today, they learn and grow. And beyond today, this work is going to continue through this work is going to continue through this work is going to continue through TEDex events around the world where even TEDex events around the world where even TEDex events around the world where even more voices are going to take the stage more voices are going to take the stage more voices are going to take the stage to share ideas sparked by this to share ideas sparked by this to share ideas sparked by this initiative. Our aim here is really initiative. Our aim here is really initiative. Our aim here is really clear. We want to spark a global clear. We want to spark a global clear. We want to spark a global movement demonstrating how creative play movement demonstrating how creative play movement demonstrating how creative play can lead to brighter minds, braver can lead to brighter minds, braver can lead to brighter minds, braver ideas, and a more imaginative future for ideas, and a more imaginative future for ideas, and a more imaginative future for everyone. Okay, so let's get started everyone. Okay, so let's get started everyone. Okay, so let's get started with our first session. Play is a with our first session. Play is a with our first session. Play is a language. Our first speaker is a human language. Our first speaker is a human language. Our first speaker is a human creativity expert who trained in creativity expert who trained in creativity expert who trained in clinical psychology at Columbia clinical psychology at Columbia clinical psychology at Columbia University's MindBody Institute. She's University's MindBody Institute. She's University's MindBody Institute. She's the co-founder of Daydreamers, a the co-founder of Daydreamers, a the co-founder of Daydreamers, a platform exploring how creativity platform exploring how creativity platform exploring how creativity supports human health and flourishing.

supports human health and flourishing. supports human health and flourishing. And she's the person who coined the term And she's the person who coined the term And she's the person who coined the term creative health. We're going to hear a creative health. We're going to hear a creative health. We're going to hear a lot more about that idea right now. lot more about that idea right now. lot more about that idea right now. Please welcome Kina Bajage. When I was 8 years old, I had this When I was 8 years old, I had this ritual. After I finished my homework, ritual. After I finished my homework, ritual. After I finished my homework, I'd head upstairs to my room, turn on my I'd head upstairs to my room, turn on my I'd head upstairs to my room, turn on my favorite Christina Aguilera CD, and sit favorite Christina Aguilera CD, and sit favorite Christina Aguilera CD, and sit on the floor, surrounding myself with on the floor, surrounding myself with on the floor, surrounding myself with all this stuff that was supposed to make all this stuff that was supposed to make all this stuff that was supposed to make me playful. I'd take out my Barbies one me playful. I'd take out my Barbies one me playful. I'd take out my Barbies one by one, spread out my markers in every by one, spread out my markers in every by one, spread out my markers in every color, and then I'd wait. color, and then I'd wait. color, and then I'd wait. And I'd wait. And I'd wait. And I'd wait. And I'd wait until something felt worthy And I'd wait until something felt worthy And I'd wait until something felt worthy enough, perfect enough to make. That enough, perfect enough to make. That enough, perfect enough to make. That moment barely ever came. Ever since I moment barely ever came. Ever since I moment barely ever came. Ever since I was a kid, play felt like something that was a kid, play felt like something that was a kid, play felt like something that I had to earn. And when I finally did do I had to earn. And when I finally did do I had to earn. And when I finally did do it, I took it seriously. My favorite it, I took it seriously. My favorite it, I took it seriously. My favorite game growing up was emergency room game growing up was emergency room game growing up was emergency room doctor. I'd forced my younger brother to doctor. I'd forced my younger brother to doctor. I'd forced my younger brother to scrub in, robes on, beanie babies fully scrub in, robes on, beanie babies fully scrub in, robes on, beanie babies fully prepped, and I was head surgeon, of prepped, and I was head surgeon, of prepped, and I was head surgeon, of course, so there was no room for course, so there was no room for course, so there was no room for mistakes in my O. Most people don't mistakes in my O. Most people don't mistakes in my O. Most people don't become play skeptics until they're become play skeptics until they're become play skeptics until they're adults. But for me, even at eight, I was adults. But for me, even at eight, I was adults. But for me, even at eight, I was questioning the point of it. So I ended questioning the point of it. So I ended questioning the point of it. So I ended up doing what any reasonable skeptic

up doing what any reasonable skeptic up doing what any reasonable skeptic would do. And I became a scientist. I would do. And I became a scientist. I would do. And I became a scientist. I got my masters in clinical psychology got my masters in clinical psychology got my masters in clinical psychology and spent almost the last decade and spent almost the last decade and spent almost the last decade studying the science of creativity. And studying the science of creativity. And studying the science of creativity. And what I discovered surprised me because what I discovered surprised me because what I discovered surprised me because creativity isn't just a talent. It is a creativity isn't just a talent. It is a creativity isn't just a talent. It is a core part of all of our well-being. A core part of all of our well-being. A core part of all of our well-being. A pillar that I came to establish and pillar that I came to establish and pillar that I came to establish and become a fierce advocate for called become a fierce advocate for called become a fierce advocate for called creative health. And one of the best creative health. And one of the best creative health. And one of the best strategies that we have to strengthen strategies that we have to strengthen strategies that we have to strengthen our creative health is exactly what I our creative health is exactly what I our creative health is exactly what I dismissed as a kid. Play. That's because dismissed as a kid. Play. That's because dismissed as a kid. Play. That's because when we play, especially as adults, we when we play, especially as adults, we when we play, especially as adults, we unlock this unique type of flourishing. unlock this unique type of flourishing. unlock this unique type of flourishing. We have deeper fulfillment and stronger We have deeper fulfillment and stronger We have deeper fulfillment and stronger resilience and even more original ideas. resilience and even more original ideas. resilience and even more original ideas. But the type of play that I'm talking But the type of play that I'm talking But the type of play that I'm talking about is probably not what we're all about is probably not what we're all about is probably not what we're all imagining. It's not just being silly or imagining. It's not just being silly or imagining. It's not just being silly or childlike or even starting up a brand childlike or even starting up a brand childlike or even starting up a brand new hobby. We've reduced play to be this new hobby. We've reduced play to be this new hobby. We've reduced play to be this cherry on top of an already good life. cherry on top of an already good life. cherry on top of an already good life. But from a scientific perspective, it is But from a scientific perspective, it is But from a scientific perspective, it is much more fundamental than that. Play is much more fundamental than that. Play is much more fundamental than that. Play is what happens anytime we choose to do what happens anytime we choose to do what happens anytime we choose to do something without knowing exactly where something without knowing exactly where something without knowing exactly where it's going to end up. There are no it's going to end up. There are no it's going to end up. There are no instructions we need to follow or instructions we need to follow or instructions we need to follow or outcomes we need to achieve. Just two outcomes we need to achieve. Just two outcomes we need to achieve. Just two elements, intrinsic motivation and the elements, intrinsic motivation and the elements, intrinsic motivation and the freedom not to know the answer in freedom not to know the answer in freedom not to know the answer in advance. The problem is we've come to advance. The problem is we've come to advance. The problem is we've come to treat that type of play as worse than treat that type of play as worse than treat that type of play as worse than optional. It's something that we avoid optional. It's something that we avoid optional. It's something that we avoid and even punish. So much so that upwards

and even punish. So much so that upwards and even punish. So much so that upwards of 70% of adults around the world today of 70% of adults around the world today of 70% of adults around the world today have stopped doing it. I first noticed have stopped doing it. I first noticed have stopped doing it. I first noticed this pattern as I was interviewing this pattern as I was interviewing this pattern as I was interviewing thousands of people about their current thousands of people about their current thousands of people about their current relationship with play. And I kept relationship with play. And I kept relationship with play. And I kept hearing the same thing over and over. hearing the same thing over and over. hearing the same thing over and over. They told me they didn't have the time They told me they didn't have the time They told me they didn't have the time or the talent or the right tools to do or the talent or the right tools to do or the talent or the right tools to do it anymore. And when they finally did, it anymore. And when they finally did, it anymore. And when they finally did, it wasn't play. It looked a lot like my it wasn't play. It looked a lot like my it wasn't play. It looked a lot like my emergency room. Something that was emergency room. Something that was emergency room. Something that was scheduled and optimized with nothing scheduled and optimized with nothing scheduled and optimized with nothing left to chance. I know this might not left to chance. I know this might not left to chance. I know this might not seem like a big deal, like we're just seem like a big deal, like we're just seem like a big deal, like we're just having less fun, but it's deeper than having less fun, but it's deeper than having less fun, but it's deeper than that. We are living through a play that. We are living through a play that. We are living through a play deprivation crisis. We've systematically deprivation crisis. We've systematically deprivation crisis. We've systematically removed everything that makes play what removed everything that makes play what removed everything that makes play what it is is the spontaneity, the freedom, it is is the spontaneity, the freedom, it is is the spontaneity, the freedom, the wonder from all parts of adult life the wonder from all parts of adult life the wonder from all parts of adult life and replaced it with efficiency and and replaced it with efficiency and and replaced it with efficiency and achievement. And in doing so, we're achievement. And in doing so, we're achievement. And in doing so, we're losing the very survival skills that we losing the very survival skills that we losing the very survival skills that we need the most right now. things like our need the most right now. things like our need the most right now. things like our capacity to adapt and imagine and even capacity to adapt and imagine and even capacity to adapt and imagine and even feel alive. Play deprivation is tricky feel alive. Play deprivation is tricky feel alive. Play deprivation is tricky though because at first we barely notice though because at first we barely notice though because at first we barely notice it's happening. We just feel endlessly it's happening. We just feel endlessly it's happening. We just feel endlessly busy. But over time without play stress busy. But over time without play stress busy. But over time without play stress can compound and then burnout can become can compound and then burnout can become can compound and then burnout can become chronic. And then we walk around as chronic. And then we walk around as chronic. And then we walk around as playless adults which ultimately creates playless adults which ultimately creates playless adults which ultimately creates a playless society. One where our a playless society. One where our a playless society. One where our institutions can grow rigid and lonely institutions can grow rigid and lonely institutions can grow rigid and lonely and polarized. But we can change this and polarized. But we can change this and polarized. But we can change this though, not even just for ourselves, but

though, not even just for ourselves, but though, not even just for ourselves, but for future generations, too. Because for future generations, too. Because for future generations, too. Because play isn't something we age out of. It play isn't something we age out of. It play isn't something we age out of. It is a lifelong trait. Which means no is a lifelong trait. Which means no is a lifelong trait. Which means no matter how invisible it might feel, we matter how invisible it might feel, we matter how invisible it might feel, we can always restore it. And how we go can always restore it. And how we go can always restore it. And how we go about doing that is much simpler and about doing that is much simpler and about doing that is much simpler and more expansive than you'd think. At my more expansive than you'd think. At my more expansive than you'd think. At my company, Daydreamers, one of the things company, Daydreamers, one of the things company, Daydreamers, one of the things we got extremely curious to figure out we got extremely curious to figure out we got extremely curious to figure out was finding the optimal way to play. Are was finding the optimal way to play. Are was finding the optimal way to play. Are you noticing a trend about me yet? We you noticing a trend about me yet? We you noticing a trend about me yet? We studied all kinds of people, executives, studied all kinds of people, executives, studied all kinds of people, executives, postal workers, stay-at-home parents postal workers, stay-at-home parents postal workers, stay-at-home parents from 18 to 85. And we looked at how they from 18 to 85. And we looked at how they from 18 to 85. And we looked at how they played, not in a lab, but in the texture played, not in a lab, but in the texture played, not in a lab, but in the texture of their daily lives. And as we analyzed of their daily lives. And as we analyzed of their daily lives. And as we analyzed the millions of minutes of creative the millions of minutes of creative the millions of minutes of creative behaviors that we collected through behaviors that we collected through behaviors that we collected through pictures and psychologically validated pictures and psychologically validated pictures and psychologically validated assessments, we found the opposite of my assessments, we found the opposite of my assessments, we found the opposite of my hypothesis. Play wasn't some list of hypothesis. Play wasn't some list of hypothesis. Play wasn't some list of actions we could add to our calendar. It actions we could add to our calendar. It actions we could add to our calendar. It was an approach. The people who became was an approach. The people who became was an approach. The people who became creatively healthy were doing something creatively healthy were doing something creatively healthy were doing something differently. They were playing all the differently. They were playing all the differently. They were playing all the time in all these parts of life, time in all these parts of life, time in all these parts of life, thinking playfully, expressing thinking playfully, expressing thinking playfully, expressing themselves playfully, even noticing when themselves playfully, even noticing when themselves playfully, even noticing when it happened around them. And as they it happened around them. And as they it happened around them. And as they began to embody it, their lives began to embody it, their lives began to embody it, their lives transformed. So while I wish I could transformed. So while I wish I could transformed. So while I wish I could stand here and give us one play stand here and give us one play stand here and give us one play prescription to follow, that would be prescription to follow, that would be prescription to follow, that would be the antithesis of what it is. What I can the antithesis of what it is. What I can the antithesis of what it is. What I can do though is paint a picture of what a do though is paint a picture of what a do though is paint a picture of what a playful life could look like because we playful life could look like because we playful life could look like because we don't need more stuff. We just need to don't need more stuff. We just need to don't need more stuff. We just need to start injecting it back into how we

start injecting it back into how we start injecting it back into how we already live. And the three places to already live. And the three places to already live. And the three places to start are during work, before sleep, and start are during work, before sleep, and start are during work, before sleep, and in public. Let's start at work because in public. Let's start at work because in public. Let's start at work because most of us get stuck in this linear task most of us get stuck in this linear task most of us get stuck in this linear task oriented thinking, churning through oriented thinking, churning through oriented thinking, churning through to-dos, and in back-to-back meetings. to-dos, and in back-to-back meetings. to-dos, and in back-to-back meetings. But neuroscientists have found that the But neuroscientists have found that the But neuroscientists have found that the spontaneous imaginative thinking that's spontaneous imaginative thinking that's spontaneous imaginative thinking that's underneath creative play lives in a underneath creative play lives in a underneath creative play lives in a different part of our brain called the different part of our brain called the different part of our brain called the default mode network. And that gets default mode network. And that gets default mode network. And that gets activated when we do things we don't activated when we do things we don't activated when we do things we don't normally consider productive. Playful normally consider productive. Playful normally consider productive. Playful people mind wander. They daydream. We people mind wander. They daydream. We people mind wander. They daydream. We often call that laziness, but underneath often call that laziness, but underneath often call that laziness, but underneath the surface, our creative brain is the surface, our creative brain is the surface, our creative brain is actually hard at work connecting all actually hard at work connecting all actually hard at work connecting all these disperate ideas that don't make these disperate ideas that don't make these disperate ideas that don't make sense yet. Even Einstein swore by this. sense yet. Even Einstein swore by this. sense yet. Even Einstein swore by this. He credited his most innovative ideas He credited his most innovative ideas He credited his most innovative ideas not to doing math behind a desk, but to not to doing math behind a desk, but to not to doing math behind a desk, but to thought experiments. And right now, thought experiments. And right now, thought experiments. And right now, protecting our nonlinear thinking protecting our nonlinear thinking protecting our nonlinear thinking matters more than ever. And that doesn't matters more than ever. And that doesn't matters more than ever. And that doesn't happen through doing cringy ice happen through doing cringy ice happen through doing cringy ice breakers. So next time you see Mark breakers. So next time you see Mark breakers. So next time you see Mark staring off into the distance during a staring off into the distance during a staring off into the distance during a meeting or even you want to look away meeting or even you want to look away meeting or even you want to look away from your inbox, celebrate it because from your inbox, celebrate it because from your inbox, celebrate it because your thinking is starting to play.

your thinking is starting to play. your thinking is starting to play. Okay, that sounds doable, right? But Okay, that sounds doable, right? But Okay, that sounds doable, right? But what happens when we get home from work? what happens when we get home from work? what happens when we get home from work? Well, most of us feel exhausted. So, we Well, most of us feel exhausted. So, we Well, most of us feel exhausted. So, we reach for ease. We scroll, order food at reach for ease. We scroll, order food at reach for ease. We scroll, order food at the click of a button. We want our lives the click of a button. We want our lives the click of a button. We want our lives to be frictionless. But our play and our to be frictionless. But our play and our to be frictionless. But our play and our lives need friction. There's actually a lives need friction. There's actually a lives need friction. There's actually a type of positive stress called ustress type of positive stress called ustress type of positive stress called ustress that comes about when we do things that that comes about when we do things that that comes about when we do things that require effort from us. That's why require effort from us. That's why require effort from us. That's why physically playing or making things with physically playing or making things with physically playing or making things with our bodies actually expands our energy our bodies actually expands our energy our bodies actually expands our energy and even our perception of time. But and even our perception of time. But and even our perception of time. But we've come to engineer the friction out we've come to engineer the friction out we've come to engineer the friction out of that too, though. We think playing at of that too, though. We think playing at of that too, though. We think playing at home is perfectly completing a page of home is perfectly completing a page of home is perfectly completing a page of that adult coloring book or following a that adult coloring book or following a that adult coloring book or following a YouTube tutorial to a tea. Real play, YouTube tutorial to a tea. Real play, YouTube tutorial to a tea. Real play, though, is freer than that, which can though, is freer than that, which can though, is freer than that, which can feel uncomfortable at first. It's feel uncomfortable at first. It's feel uncomfortable at first. It's experimenting with a bunch of different experimenting with a bunch of different experimenting with a bunch of different ingredients without a recipe or doodling ingredients without a recipe or doodling ingredients without a recipe or doodling in the margins of your notebook. It can in the margins of your notebook. It can in the margins of your notebook. It can be that simple. That's actually exactly be that simple. That's actually exactly be that simple. That's actually exactly what I was doing when I had my own what I was doing when I had my own what I was doing when I had my own creative breakthrough. Normally, I'd get creative breakthrough. Normally, I'd get creative breakthrough. Normally, I'd get home from work and try to relax. Or if I home from work and try to relax. Or if I home from work and try to relax. Or if I was feeling extra adventurous, I'd take was feeling extra adventurous, I'd take was feeling extra adventurous, I'd take out my notebook and try to write out my notebook and try to write out my notebook and try to write something profound. Neither of which are something profound. Neither of which are something profound. Neither of which are very playful. But one night while I was very playful. But one night while I was very playful. But one night while I was writing, my pen moved to the left and writing, my pen moved to the left and writing, my pen moved to the left and then it made a circle and then a bunch then it made a circle and then a bunch then it made a circle and then a bunch of random shapes and patterns started to of random shapes and patterns started to of random shapes and patterns started to flow. And while I did feel flow. And while I did feel flow. And while I did feel uncomfortable, I was also incredibly uncomfortable, I was also incredibly uncomfortable, I was also incredibly liberated. And when I came back to

liberated. And when I came back to liberated. And when I came back to reality and tried to make sense of it, I reality and tried to make sense of it, I reality and tried to make sense of it, I thought of my 8-year-old self sitting on thought of my 8-year-old self sitting on thought of my 8-year-old self sitting on the floor of her room waiting for the floor of her room waiting for the floor of her room waiting for something worthy to make. And I realized something worthy to make. And I realized something worthy to make. And I realized in that moment that she, like so many of in that moment that she, like so many of in that moment that she, like so many of us, got it backwards because we don't us, got it backwards because we don't us, got it backwards because we don't need to wait for play to feel good to do need to wait for play to feel good to do need to wait for play to feel good to do it. Doing it in the face of resistance it. Doing it in the face of resistance it. Doing it in the face of resistance and discomfort is how we begin. But we and discomfort is how we begin. But we and discomfort is how we begin. But we can't just play alone at our desks or in can't just play alone at our desks or in can't just play alone at our desks or in our rooms. We need to play in public, our rooms. We need to play in public, our rooms. We need to play in public, too. The last and most insidious sign of too. The last and most insidious sign of too. The last and most insidious sign of play deprivation is cultural. It's when play deprivation is cultural. It's when play deprivation is cultural. It's when we don't just dep prioritize it we don't just dep prioritize it we don't just dep prioritize it ourselves, but we actively punish it in ourselves, but we actively punish it in ourselves, but we actively punish it in the world. Silencing music in our parks the world. Silencing music in our parks the world. Silencing music in our parks or calling leisure time lazy. Almost a or calling leisure time lazy. Almost a or calling leisure time lazy. Almost a hundred years ago, philosopher Johan hundred years ago, philosopher Johan hundred years ago, philosopher Johan Heisinga warned us about this, Heisinga warned us about this, Heisinga warned us about this, suggesting that when a culture loses suggesting that when a culture loses suggesting that when a culture loses play, it can become brittle and play, it can become brittle and play, it can become brittle and polarized, unable to cope with change. I polarized, unable to cope with change. I polarized, unable to cope with change. I know that might seem familiar and maybe know that might seem familiar and maybe know that might seem familiar and maybe even scary, but know that play is even scary, but know that play is even scary, but know that play is inherently contagious. Research actually inherently contagious. Research actually inherently contagious. Research actually shows that just being in proximity to shows that just being in proximity to shows that just being in proximity to people doing it can motivate us to do people doing it can motivate us to do people doing it can motivate us to do it, too. So, we don't always need to be it, too. So, we don't always need to be it, too. So, we don't always need to be the main character. We can just amplify the main character. We can just amplify the main character. We can just amplify it when we see it. I'm sure you've it when we see it. I'm sure you've it when we see it. I'm sure you've noticed this happen before when a crowd noticed this happen before when a crowd noticed this happen before when a crowd begins to form around a musician. But begins to form around a musician. But begins to form around a musician. But most of us end up racing past. So, next most of us end up racing past. So, next most of us end up racing past. So, next time, I want you to take out your time, I want you to take out your time, I want you to take out your headphones and listen for a moment.

headphones and listen for a moment. headphones and listen for a moment. Maybe be the first to laugh or clap or Maybe be the first to laugh or clap or Maybe be the first to laugh or clap or join in. Because when we make play join in. Because when we make play join in. Because when we make play visible, it allows our communities to visible, it allows our communities to visible, it allows our communities to come alive, too. I know that even these come alive, too. I know that even these come alive, too. I know that even these small moments of play can feel like an small moments of play can feel like an small moments of play can feel like an act of rebellion in a world that's act of rebellion in a world that's act of rebellion in a world that's convinced us doing it as adults is convinced us doing it as adults is convinced us doing it as adults is unnecessary. And often times, they are. unnecessary. And often times, they are. unnecessary. And often times, they are. But it wasn't always this way. Since the But it wasn't always this way. Since the But it wasn't always this way. Since the beginning of our species, we have been beginning of our species, we have been beginning of our species, we have been making these beautiful, weird, funny, making these beautiful, weird, funny, making these beautiful, weird, funny, interesting things for no bigger purpose interesting things for no bigger purpose interesting things for no bigger purpose at all. Anthropologist Ellen Desayak at all. Anthropologist Ellen Desayak at all. Anthropologist Ellen Desayak actually has a name for this capacity. actually has a name for this capacity. actually has a name for this capacity. She calls it making special in her work She calls it making special in her work She calls it making special in her work studying early human societies. She also studying early human societies. She also studying early human societies. She also kept noticing an interesting pattern. kept noticing an interesting pattern. kept noticing an interesting pattern. Every culture, without having spoken to Every culture, without having spoken to Every culture, without having spoken to one another first, kept adding these one another first, kept adding these one another first, kept adding these playful touches to the most ordinary playful touches to the most ordinary playful touches to the most ordinary aspects of their lives. They decorated aspects of their lives. They decorated aspects of their lives. They decorated their tools with intricacy. They made their tools with intricacy. They made their tools with intricacy. They made clothes and filled them with beads and clothes and filled them with beads and clothes and filled them with beads and shells. They danced and told stories and shells. They danced and told stories and shells. They danced and told stories and appreciated beauty for no functional or appreciated beauty for no functional or appreciated beauty for no functional or productive reason, just because. So this productive reason, just because. So this productive reason, just because. So this exact capacity to play, to make special exact capacity to play, to make special exact capacity to play, to make special isn't just inside of you. It's wired isn't just inside of you. It's wired isn't just inside of you. It's wired into our entire species. It's always how into our entire species. It's always how into our entire species. It's always how we've stayed human. How we've bonded and we've stayed human. How we've bonded and we've stayed human. How we've bonded and adapted and even made meaning in life's adapted and even made meaning in life's adapted and even made meaning in life's most difficult moments. And I see that

most difficult moments. And I see that most difficult moments. And I see that as our responsibility to keep that part as our responsibility to keep that part as our responsibility to keep that part of ourselves alive. So we need to play of ourselves alive. So we need to play of ourselves alive. So we need to play again in any form in every part of life. again in any form in every part of life. again in any form in every part of life. Not necessarily because it will lead us Not necessarily because it will lead us Not necessarily because it will lead us somewhere better, but because we are somewhere better, but because we are somewhere better, but because we are human and humans play. Thank you. >> Thank you so much, Kina. Oh my gosh. >> Thank you so much, Kina. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much. We are Today is all Thank you so much. We are Today is all Thank you so much. We are Today is all about making special. And speaking of about making special. And speaking of about making special. And speaking of which, um, how incredible is this stage? which, um, how incredible is this stage? which, um, how incredible is this stage? These are made out of actual Lego These are made out of actual Lego These are made out of actual Lego bricks. That's so cool. Um, okay, our bricks. That's so cool. Um, okay, our bricks. That's so cool. Um, okay, our next speaker is not just famous online next speaker is not just famous online next speaker is not just famous online for his art. He has had gallery for his art. He has had gallery for his art. He has had gallery exhibitions. He has collaborated with exhibitions. He has collaborated with exhibitions. He has collaborated with major brands. And he's had his works major brands. And he's had his works major brands. And he's had his works shared with the Prince and Princess of shared with the Prince and Princess of shared with the Prince and Princess of Wales. And before you start thinking, Wales. And before you start thinking, Wales. And before you start thinking, okay, surely this is someone who's okay, surely this is someone who's okay, surely this is someone who's already due to retire and probably have already due to retire and probably have already due to retire and probably have a major career retrospective at the end a major career retrospective at the end a major career retrospective at the end of his life. Nope. He is only 16 years of his life. Nope. He is only 16 years of his life. Nope. He is only 16 years old, old, old, known online as Doodle Boy. He is an known online as Doodle Boy. He is an known online as Doodle Boy. He is an incredible artist. We are so lucky to incredible artist. We are so lucky to incredible artist. We are so lucky to have him here with us right now.

and I will introduce him in one moment. and I will introduce him in one moment. Okay. Um, we are he's going to be doing Okay. Um, we are he's going to be doing Okay. Um, we are he's going to be doing a a live drawing. So, we're you have a a a live drawing. So, we're you have a a a live drawing. So, we're you have a real treat here. Um, real treat here. Um, real treat here. Um, please welcome please welcome please welcome straight from Australia, Joe Whale. When I was younger, I used to get told When I was younger, I used to get told off in class for doodling. I couldn't off in class for doodling. I couldn't off in class for doodling. I couldn't stop. My teacher would always stop me stop. My teacher would always stop me stop. My teacher would always stop me from doing this. And it was really from doing this. And it was really from doing this. And it was really worrying because as a creative person, worrying because as a creative person, worrying because as a creative person, it's something that I do naturally. it's something that I do naturally. it's something that I do naturally. After a few weeks at my art class, I was After a few weeks at my art class, I was After a few weeks at my art class, I was booked in because I was having this booked in because I was having this booked in because I was having this trouble at school. trouble at school. trouble at school. My teacher suggested something unusual. My teacher suggested something unusual. My teacher suggested something unusual. There was a big empty wall in a local There was a big empty wall in a local There was a big empty wall in a local restaurant. She asked them if I could restaurant. She asked them if I could restaurant. She asked them if I could draw on it. They said yes. So, I started draw on it. They said yes. So, I started draw on it. They said yes. So, I started filling the restaurant wall with my filling the restaurant wall with my filling the restaurant wall with my artwork.

artwork. artwork. People would come in and watch me while People would come in and watch me while People would come in and watch me while they were eating. Photos started they were eating. Photos started they were eating. Photos started appearing online. Then the local appearing online. Then the local appearing online. Then the local newspaper wrote about it. And suddenly, newspaper wrote about it. And suddenly, newspaper wrote about it. And suddenly, people all around the world were talking people all around the world were talking people all around the world were talking about this kid who couldn't stop about this kid who couldn't stop about this kid who couldn't stop doodling. That moment changed my life. I doodling. That moment changed my life. I doodling. That moment changed my life. I wasn't even trying to be an artist. But wasn't even trying to be an artist. But wasn't even trying to be an artist. But the important thing is how it started. the important thing is how it started. the important thing is how it started. It started with my imagination and It started with my imagination and It started with my imagination and parents who didn't disregard but parents who didn't disregard but parents who didn't disregard but embraced my passion. embraced my passion. embraced my passion. It started with the freedom to just It started with the freedom to just It started with the freedom to just draw. And that's what I want to talk draw. And that's what I want to talk draw. And that's what I want to talk about today. Because the world is very about today. Because the world is very about today. Because the world is very different than when it was when I was different than when it was when I was different than when it was when I was first doodling 10 years ago. first doodling 10 years ago. first doodling 10 years ago. Today, it's possible to type prompts Today, it's possible to type prompts Today, it's possible to type prompts into AI, make anything, and feel into AI, make anything, and feel into AI, make anything, and feel creative. But I believe there will creative. But I believe there will creative. But I believe there will always be value in letting our always be value in letting our always be value in letting our imaginations be the true driver of our imaginations be the true driver of our imaginations be the true driver of our creations. Because imagination is like a creations. Because imagination is like a creations. Because imagination is like a muscle. The more you use it, the muscle. The more you use it, the muscle. The more you use it, the stronger it becomes. But if you don't stronger it becomes. But if you don't stronger it becomes. But if you don't use it, it gets weaker and your body use it, it gets weaker and your body use it, it gets weaker and your body will rely on something else to do it for will rely on something else to do it for will rely on something else to do it for you. Creativity is not encouraged today.

you. Creativity is not encouraged today. you. Creativity is not encouraged today. It's not given value. So it's easy to It's not given value. So it's easy to It's not given value. So it's easy to turn to the tools right in front of us turn to the tools right in front of us turn to the tools right in front of us and get an instant result. But you don't and get an instant result. But you don't and get an instant result. But you don't learn by going straight to the end. You learn by going straight to the end. You learn by going straight to the end. You learn from the journey. Everything learn from the journey. Everything learn from the journey. Everything begins with a thought, an idea, a begins with a thought, an idea, a begins with a thought, an idea, a meaning or a vision. That's your meaning or a vision. That's your meaning or a vision. That's your imagination, the beginning. And that imagination, the beginning. And that imagination, the beginning. And that beginning influences what you do from beginning influences what you do from beginning influences what you do from that point. It's freedom. Imagination is that point. It's freedom. Imagination is that point. It's freedom. Imagination is the first step. Then direction flows the first step. Then direction flows the first step. Then direction flows through the creation. You're letting through the creation. You're letting through the creation. You're letting yourself literally wander wherever you yourself literally wander wherever you yourself literally wander wherever you wish the freedom to go anywhere because wish the freedom to go anywhere because wish the freedom to go anywhere because that first step is coming from you and that first step is coming from you and that first step is coming from you and not something else. What I can see is not something else. What I can see is not something else. What I can see is we'll be reliant to replace something we we'll be reliant to replace something we we'll be reliant to replace something we all need and all have. We'll be handing all need and all have. We'll be handing all need and all have. We'll be handing it off just because it's easier. And it off just because it's easier. And it off just because it's easier. And that worries me because for everyone that worries me because for everyone that worries me because for everyone growing up around AI, they'll see it as growing up around AI, they'll see it as growing up around AI, they'll see it as normal to sacrifice their unique normal to sacrifice their unique normal to sacrifice their unique perspective, becoming more and more perspective, becoming more and more perspective, becoming more and more shaped, even defined by what they can't shaped, even defined by what they can't shaped, even defined by what they can't control.

control. control. I'm just going to show you something I'm just going to show you something I'm just going to show you something visually now. visually now. visually now. I often start my artworks with a simple I often start my artworks with a simple I often start my artworks with a simple shape. Thinking Thinking something spiky here. and then and then big eye like this. Then I'll add some other detail. Then I'll add some other detail. Often when I'm creating in the moment, Often when I'm creating in the moment, Often when I'm creating in the moment, it helps me feel very free so I can just it helps me feel very free so I can just it helps me feel very free so I can just flow with each character and each line. flow with each character and each line. flow with each character and each line. In New York, as I've traveled, I've seen In New York, as I've traveled, I've seen In New York, as I've traveled, I've seen lots of people on skateboards. lots of people on skateboards. lots of people on skateboards. So, I'm going to draw one of them.

And then I often like to add icons like And then I often like to add icons like a heart. Feel like it's very simple but a heart. Feel like it's very simple but a heart. Feel like it's very simple but very effective. And then I love these very effective. And then I love these very effective. And then I love these kind of eyes like an alien like that. kind of eyes like an alien like that. kind of eyes like an alien like that. Then I'll keep this going. The arms And with this character, I'll just start And with this character, I'll just start with another simple shape like so. Fill in this. This guy's not like so. Fill in this. This guy's not very happy. And then what I like to do to balance an And then what I like to do to balance an artwork is just add lines and shapes artwork is just add lines and shapes artwork is just add lines and shapes to just fill out the space and movement lines and movement lines which give life to a piece. something I which give life to a piece. something I which give life to a piece. something I always use.

I hope we can all take a step back from I hope we can all take a step back from AI and embrace what makes us truly AI and embrace what makes us truly AI and embrace what makes us truly unique. our ability to convert figments unique. our ability to convert figments unique. our ability to convert figments of our imaginations and turn them into of our imaginations and turn them into of our imaginations and turn them into impactful realities. We face this choice impactful realities. We face this choice impactful realities. We face this choice every day. So, let's embrace this every day. So, let's embrace this every day. So, let's embrace this uniqueness, this imagination, and the uniqueness, this imagination, and the uniqueness, this imagination, and the creativity that brings us all together. creativity that brings us all together. creativity that brings us all together. Thank you. Nice work to all those kids. Great work

Nice work to all those kids. Great work kids. And thank you so much to designer kids. And thank you so much to designer kids. And thank you so much to designer G. Lee who created this project inspired G. Lee who created this project inspired G. Lee who created this project inspired by his child's creativity. Um, also a by his child's creativity. Um, also a by his child's creativity. Um, also a really cool opportunity is um during the really cool opportunity is um during the really cool opportunity is um during the breaks if you felt inspired by Joe's breaks if you felt inspired by Joe's breaks if you felt inspired by Joe's talk and you want to do some doodling of talk and you want to do some doodling of talk and you want to do some doodling of your own, we are going to have the your own, we are going to have the your own, we are going to have the ability for you all to be doodling ability for you all to be doodling ability for you all to be doodling yourself. So, look forward to that. Um, yourself. So, look forward to that. Um, yourself. So, look forward to that. Um, okay. For our next talk, we are going to okay. For our next talk, we are going to okay. For our next talk, we are going to shift gears a little bit. Um, you're shift gears a little bit. Um, you're shift gears a little bit. Um, you're going to hear all about the importance going to hear all about the importance going to hear all about the importance of children's play, but these are of children's play, but these are of children's play, but these are children who are living under some very children who are living under some very children who are living under some very difficult circumstances. Our next difficult circumstances. Our next difficult circumstances. Our next speaker, Iram Mariam, is the executive speaker, Iram Mariam, is the executive speaker, Iram Mariam, is the executive director of the Brack Institute of director of the Brack Institute of director of the Brack Institute of Educational Development, where she Educational Development, where she Educational Development, where she champions a simple but powerful idea. champions a simple but powerful idea. champions a simple but powerful idea. Every child deserves the right to play. Every child deserves the right to play. Every child deserves the right to play. She has worked with children in She has worked with children in She has worked with children in Bangladesh, Tanzania, Uganda, the Bangladesh, Tanzania, Uganda, the Bangladesh, Tanzania, Uganda, the Philippines, Sierra Leone, and beyond. Philippines, Sierra Leone, and beyond. Philippines, Sierra Leone, and beyond. Um, Iram's work and responsibilities Um, Iram's work and responsibilities Um, Iram's work and responsibilities meant that she was unfortunately not meant that she was unfortunately not meant that she was unfortunately not able to travel here. So, we filmed her able to travel here. So, we filmed her able to travel here. So, we filmed her talk in advance while she was still in talk in advance while she was still in talk in advance while she was still in Dhaka. um as I know that you are about Dhaka. um as I know that you are about Dhaka. um as I know that you are about to see the work that she is doing is so to see the work that she is doing is so to see the work that she is doing is so powerful and so important. So please powerful and so important. So please powerful and so important. So please join me in welcoming Iram Miam.

In August 2017 the genocide in Myanmar In August 2017 the genocide in Myanmar had exploded overnight. The military had exploded overnight. The military had exploded overnight. The military were killing Rohingya people setting were killing Rohingya people setting were killing Rohingya people setting their villages on fire. This was part of their villages on fire. This was part of their villages on fire. This was part of the ethnic cleansing of the Rohhinga the ethnic cleansing of the Rohhinga the ethnic cleansing of the Rohhinga people. The women and men who had people. The women and men who had people. The women and men who had escaped were now flooding across the escaped were now flooding across the escaped were now flooding across the border carrying infants and young border carrying infants and young border carrying infants and young children on their back. Within four children on their back. Within four children on their back. Within four months, over 850,000 people crammed into months, over 850,000 people crammed into months, over 850,000 people crammed into refugee camps in Bangladesh in a town refugee camps in Bangladesh in a town refugee camps in Bangladesh in a town called Cox's Bazar. I am Bangladeshi and called Cox's Bazar. I am Bangladeshi and called Cox's Bazar. I am Bangladeshi and I live in Dhaka. I have spent my career I live in Dhaka. I have spent my career I live in Dhaka. I have spent my career working to make sure children have working to make sure children have working to make sure children have access to play when everything else in access to play when everything else in access to play when everything else in their lives has been in chaos. I have their lives has been in chaos. I have their lives has been in chaos. I have worked with children for over three worked with children for over three worked with children for over three decades now through BA, the world's decades now through BA, the world's decades now through BA, the world's largest NGO. While the Rohingya refugees largest NGO. While the Rohingya refugees largest NGO. While the Rohingya refugees were arriving by the thousand in were arriving by the thousand in were arriving by the thousand in Bangladesh, I got an urgent call from my Bangladesh, I got an urgent call from my Bangladesh, I got an urgent call from my BA colleague. He told me I had to go BA colleague. He told me I had to go BA colleague. He told me I had to go visit the refugee camps in Cox's Bazar visit the refugee camps in Cox's Bazar visit the refugee camps in Cox's Bazar and see how the children were doing. I and see how the children were doing. I and see how the children were doing. I thought about how much those kids had thought about how much those kids had thought about how much those kids had been through. They saw things that no been through. They saw things that no been through. They saw things that no child should ever see. I wondered how child should ever see. I wondered how child should ever see. I wondered how would they ever recover. I believed play would they ever recover. I believed play would they ever recover. I believed play might help them reconnect with what they might help them reconnect with what they might help them reconnect with what they lost, their culture and their sense of lost, their culture and their sense of lost, their culture and their sense of home. I believed play might heal them.

home. I believed play might heal them. home. I believed play might heal them. And what we discovered over time was And what we discovered over time was And what we discovered over time was that it was not just any kind of play that it was not just any kind of play that it was not just any kind of play that would help them heal. It was that would help them heal. It was that would help them heal. It was specifically play from their own specifically play from their own specifically play from their own Rohhinga culture that helped them feel Rohhinga culture that helped them feel Rohhinga culture that helped them feel pride, gain confidence, and experience pride, gain confidence, and experience pride, gain confidence, and experience joy after being violently forced to joy after being violently forced to joy after being violently forced to leave behind their home. So, I'll go leave behind their home. So, I'll go leave behind their home. So, I'll go back to the beginning. After that phone back to the beginning. After that phone back to the beginning. After that phone call in 2017, I traveled to the camps in call in 2017, I traveled to the camps in call in 2017, I traveled to the camps in Cox's Bazar. Aid workers had set up safe Cox's Bazar. Aid workers had set up safe Cox's Bazar. Aid workers had set up safe spaces for the children. I found spaces for the children. I found spaces for the children. I found children drawing guns in their art. That children drawing guns in their art. That children drawing guns in their art. That was not unusual. But I saw something was not unusual. But I saw something was not unusual. But I saw something that surprised me. Someone had donated that surprised me. Someone had donated that surprised me. Someone had donated Scrabble sets and Uno cards for the Scrabble sets and Uno cards for the Scrabble sets and Uno cards for the children. It was a generous gesture, but children. It was a generous gesture, but children. It was a generous gesture, but the children had never seen these games the children had never seen these games the children had never seen these games before. They didn't know the rules. They before. They didn't know the rules. They before. They didn't know the rules. They didn't speak the language. Even the didn't speak the language. Even the didn't speak the language. Even the adult facilitators didn't know how to adult facilitators didn't know how to adult facilitators didn't know how to play. They were arranging the scrabble play. They were arranging the scrabble play. They were arranging the scrabble tiles into patterns because that's what tiles into patterns because that's what tiles into patterns because that's what made sense to them. Standing there, I made sense to them. Standing there, I made sense to them. Standing there, I thought, there's got to be a better way.

thought, there's got to be a better way. thought, there's got to be a better way. These kids were used to wide open spaces These kids were used to wide open spaces These kids were used to wide open spaces with trees and flowers. And now they with trees and flowers. And now they with trees and flowers. And now they were crammed into a refugee camp with a were crammed into a refugee camp with a were crammed into a refugee camp with a million other people. million other people. million other people. Every shelter was a copype of the next. Every shelter was a copype of the next. Every shelter was a copype of the next. Bamboo frames, tin roof, blue and black Bamboo frames, tin roof, blue and black Bamboo frames, tin roof, blue and black plastic tarp held back the monsoon rain. plastic tarp held back the monsoon rain. plastic tarp held back the monsoon rain. The air smelled like still water and The air smelled like still water and The air smelled like still water and human waste. But none of the kids ever human waste. But none of the kids ever human waste. But none of the kids ever complained and there were no signs of complained and there were no signs of complained and there were no signs of frustration. Instead, some kids were frustration. Instead, some kids were frustration. Instead, some kids were just withdrawn, others were restless. just withdrawn, others were restless. just withdrawn, others were restless. Some wouldn't engage with kids or with Some wouldn't engage with kids or with Some wouldn't engage with kids or with adults. This was painful to watch, but adults. This was painful to watch, but adults. This was painful to watch, but typical of kids who have gone through typical of kids who have gone through typical of kids who have gone through such extreme conditions. But even the such extreme conditions. But even the such extreme conditions. But even the kids who were withdrawn would come alive kids who were withdrawn would come alive kids who were withdrawn would come alive and express more joy when they were and express more joy when they were and express more joy when they were playing in a certain way, the Rohhinga playing in a certain way, the Rohhinga playing in a certain way, the Rohhinga way. So for the next few months, we way. So for the next few months, we way. So for the next few months, we watched them and we asked lots of watched them and we asked lots of watched them and we asked lots of questions. What did you play in Myanmar? questions. What did you play in Myanmar? questions. What did you play in Myanmar? How did you play it? How did you How did you play it? How did you How did you play it? How did you decorate your home? Why? What does it decorate your home? Why? What does it decorate your home? Why? What does it mean? Children, parents, grandparents, mean? Children, parents, grandparents, mean? Children, parents, grandparents, and siblings would show and tell us from and siblings would show and tell us from and siblings would show and tell us from the kids. We heard the stories their the kids. We heard the stories their the kids. We heard the stories their grandparents told. We heard rhymes that grandparents told. We heard rhymes that grandparents told. We heard rhymes that their siblings knew by heart. We watched their siblings knew by heart. We watched their siblings knew by heart. We watched physical games that their parents did physical games that their parents did physical games that their parents did when they were little. And we watched when they were little. And we watched when they were little. And we watched them make traditional Rohhinga art, the them make traditional Rohhinga art, the them make traditional Rohhinga art, the kind of art that would be hanging in kind of art that would be hanging in kind of art that would be hanging in every household back home. And from that every household back home. And from that every household back home. And from that we built what we now call the

we built what we now call the we built what we now call the humanitarian play lab. Small welcoming humanitarian play lab. Small welcoming humanitarian play lab. Small welcoming spaces for kids three to five decorated spaces for kids three to five decorated spaces for kids three to five decorated by the Rohhinga community itself with by the Rohhinga community itself with by the Rohhinga community itself with hand embroidered cloth hanging from the hand embroidered cloth hanging from the hand embroidered cloth hanging from the ceiling and artwork of flowers and homes ceiling and artwork of flowers and homes ceiling and artwork of flowers and homes and animals. images that the children and animals. images that the children and animals. images that the children recognized from a life they were forced recognized from a life they were forced recognized from a life they were forced to leave behind. Each play lab is to leave behind. Each play lab is to leave behind. Each play lab is facilitated by young Rohingya women who facilitated by young Rohingya women who facilitated by young Rohingya women who spend up to 5 hours simply playing with spend up to 5 hours simply playing with spend up to 5 hours simply playing with the kids. Each play lab is also the kids. Each play lab is also the kids. Each play lab is also supported by other women trained in supported by other women trained in supported by other women trained in psychosocial support to help kids manage psychosocial support to help kids manage psychosocial support to help kids manage their emotion. At 9:00 a.m. those kids their emotion. At 9:00 a.m. those kids their emotion. At 9:00 a.m. those kids leave their home to walk to the play lab leave their home to walk to the play lab leave their home to walk to the play lab through narrow passageways. It takes through narrow passageways. It takes through narrow passageways. It takes them only three minutes to step into a them only three minutes to step into a them only three minutes to step into a different world. While still in the different world. While still in the different world. While still in the camp, a Rohingya woman, their play camp, a Rohingya woman, their play camp, a Rohingya woman, their play facilitator, greets 30 young children. facilitator, greets 30 young children. facilitator, greets 30 young children. She asks, "How are we today? Are we all She asks, "How are we today? Are we all She asks, "How are we today? Are we all okay?" Here we are like friends and okay?" Here we are like friends and okay?" Here we are like friends and siblings at home. Respect those who are siblings at home. Respect those who are siblings at home. Respect those who are older and love those younger. Then she older and love those younger. Then she older and love those younger. Then she asks, "Who wants to lead the rhyme?" One asks, "Who wants to lead the rhyme?" One asks, "Who wants to lead the rhyme?" One child steps forward to lead. Hands are child steps forward to lead. Hands are child steps forward to lead. Hands are up, bodies move, they chant, they play, up, bodies move, they chant, they play, up, bodies move, they chant, they play, they jump, they giggle, they listen to they jump, they giggle, they listen to they jump, they giggle, they listen to stories, they draw. One of the girls is stories, they draw. One of the girls is stories, they draw. One of the girls is N. N is just 8 years old. 5 years ago, N. N is just 8 years old. 5 years ago, N. N is just 8 years old. 5 years ago, Nur was undernourished, withdrawn and Nur was undernourished, withdrawn and Nur was undernourished, withdrawn and shy. She was physically weak with shy. She was physically weak with shy. She was physically weak with continuous diarrhea. When N started

continuous diarrhea. When N started continuous diarrhea. When N started coming to the play lab at the age of coming to the play lab at the age of coming to the play lab at the age of three, she sat quietly. She watched. three, she sat quietly. She watched. three, she sat quietly. She watched. Then she learned the rope game from the Then she learned the rope game from the Then she learned the rope game from the facilitator. The game she plays is a facilitator. The game she plays is a facilitator. The game she plays is a traditional Rohingya one. Two kids hold traditional Rohingya one. Two kids hold traditional Rohingya one. Two kids hold a long rope, flipping it back and forth a long rope, flipping it back and forth a long rope, flipping it back and forth while N leaps over it without touching while N leaps over it without touching while N leaps over it without touching it, reciting a rhyme while she's it, reciting a rhyme while she's it, reciting a rhyme while she's jumping. She's tracking the rope. She's jumping. She's tracking the rope. She's jumping. She's tracking the rope. She's controlling her feet and she keeps the controlling her feet and she keeps the controlling her feet and she keeps the words coming all at once. words coming all at once. words coming all at once. N kept playing. As she played, she N kept playing. As she played, she N kept playing. As she played, she became stronger. Her mother noticed that became stronger. Her mother noticed that became stronger. Her mother noticed that N became less shy and confident. And N became less shy and confident. And N became less shy and confident. And once Noo learned it, her mother once Noo learned it, her mother once Noo learned it, her mother encouraged her, telling her to jump encouraged her, telling her to jump encouraged her, telling her to jump higher, go further, be bolder. When you higher, go further, be bolder. When you higher, go further, be bolder. When you watch her jump rope, you forget for a watch her jump rope, you forget for a watch her jump rope, you forget for a moment where you are. She doesn't just moment where you are. She doesn't just moment where you are. She doesn't just jump, she flies. Now N walks around the jump, she flies. Now N walks around the jump, she flies. Now N walks around the camp with a rope in her hand. Just in camp with a rope in her hand. Just in camp with a rope in her hand. Just in case she finds a space to jump. She may case she finds a space to jump. She may case she finds a space to jump. She may still be shy to speak to strangers, but still be shy to speak to strangers, but still be shy to speak to strangers, but she will jump in front of any audience.

she will jump in front of any audience. she will jump in front of any audience. That's not a small thing for a kid who That's not a small thing for a kid who That's not a small thing for a kid who used to fade into the background. used to fade into the background. used to fade into the background. Nurse's mother played this game as a Nurse's mother played this game as a Nurse's mother played this game as a girl. This is not a Bangladeshi game. girl. This is not a Bangladeshi game. girl. This is not a Bangladeshi game. She says we Rohinga call this Roshi Fal She says we Rohinga call this Roshi Fal She says we Rohinga call this Roshi Fal Dani. This has made my daughter Dani. This has made my daughter Dani. This has made my daughter stronger. She's not scared anymore. She stronger. She's not scared anymore. She stronger. She's not scared anymore. She has courage. has courage. has courage. Then there is Muhammad. Muhammad is Then there is Muhammad. Muhammad is Then there is Muhammad. Muhammad is about 7 years old. He lives with his about 7 years old. He lives with his about 7 years old. He lives with his parents and four siblings. and he is parents and four siblings. and he is parents and four siblings. and he is known as the seesaw boy in his known as the seesaw boy in his known as the seesaw boy in his neighborhood. This game is not the neighborhood. This game is not the neighborhood. This game is not the seesaw that we imagine. The Rohhinga seesaw that we imagine. The Rohhinga seesaw that we imagine. The Rohhinga seesaw is where two kids wrap their legs seesaw is where two kids wrap their legs seesaw is where two kids wrap their legs around each other like acrobats and around each other like acrobats and around each other like acrobats and swing together going up and down. At the swing together going up and down. At the swing together going up and down. At the play lab, he learned something that was play lab, he learned something that was play lab, he learned something that was even more important than the skill to even more important than the skill to even more important than the skill to balance. During the game, Muhammad balance. During the game, Muhammad balance. During the game, Muhammad learned that he needs to be careful learned that he needs to be careful learned that he needs to be careful while playing the seessaw game. one while playing the seessaw game. one while playing the seessaw game. one wrong move and the other kid will get wrong move and the other kid will get wrong move and the other kid will get hurt. Children learn to pay attention to hurt. Children learn to pay attention to hurt. Children learn to pay attention to someone else's body before their own.

someone else's body before their own. someone else's body before their own. So, he prefers not to play with the So, he prefers not to play with the So, he prefers not to play with the younger kids, not because he doesn't younger kids, not because he doesn't younger kids, not because he doesn't want to, but because he's concerned that want to, but because he's concerned that want to, but because he's concerned that he might hurt them because of his he might hurt them because of his he might hurt them because of his strength. strength. strength. Playing taught him to pay attention to Playing taught him to pay attention to Playing taught him to pay attention to how others might feel. He became more how others might feel. He became more how others might feel. He became more thoughtful of his mother and his younger thoughtful of his mother and his younger thoughtful of his mother and his younger siblings. When he gets biscuits in siblings. When he gets biscuits in siblings. When he gets biscuits in school, he chooses to bring it for his school, he chooses to bring it for his school, he chooses to bring it for his younger siblings instead. And he cleans younger siblings instead. And he cleans younger siblings instead. And he cleans the house and washes the pots so that the house and washes the pots so that the house and washes the pots so that his mother can get some rest. He hopes his mother can get some rest. He hopes his mother can get some rest. He hopes to be a teacher someday. Now, let's talk to be a teacher someday. Now, let's talk to be a teacher someday. Now, let's talk about Tuhinur. Tuhinor is four years about Tuhinur. Tuhinor is four years about Tuhinur. Tuhinor is four years old. As a 2-year-old, she was shy and old. As a 2-year-old, she was shy and old. As a 2-year-old, she was shy and quiet. Other children teased her and quiet. Other children teased her and quiet. Other children teased her and called her fooly, meaning fat. She never called her fooly, meaning fat. She never called her fooly, meaning fat. She never responded. She cried silently to her responded. She cried silently to her responded. She cried silently to her mother. Her mother Yasmine worried how mother. Her mother Yasmine worried how mother. Her mother Yasmine worried how she would raise her daughter to be more she would raise her daughter to be more she would raise her daughter to be more assertive. When Yasmine became a assertive. When Yasmine became a assertive. When Yasmine became a facilitator at the play lab, she brought facilitator at the play lab, she brought facilitator at the play lab, she brought Tuhinor with her. Soon Yasmine noticed Tuhinor with her. Soon Yasmine noticed Tuhinor with her. Soon Yasmine noticed that Tuhinor would be the first to raise that Tuhinor would be the first to raise that Tuhinor would be the first to raise her hand to lead the Kabia, a her hand to lead the Kabia, a her hand to lead the Kabia, a traditional Rohinga rhyme with hand traditional Rohinga rhyme with hand traditional Rohinga rhyme with hand movements and body gestures. Tuhinur movements and body gestures. Tuhinur movements and body gestures. Tuhinur learned the entire rhyme and when and learned the entire rhyme and when and learned the entire rhyme and when and how to move her body and when and how to how to move her body and when and how to how to move her body and when and how to add hand movements. She now leads the add hand movements. She now leads the add hand movements. She now leads the cup beer. She stands at the front cup beer. She stands at the front cup beer. She stands at the front reciting the words in a clear loud voice reciting the words in a clear loud voice reciting the words in a clear loud voice and moves her hand and body in a way and moves her hand and body in a way and moves her hand and body in a way that the other kids follow. Some of

that the other kids follow. Some of that the other kids follow. Some of those following her are older. She those following her are older. She those following her are older. She doesn't seem to notice. doesn't seem to notice. doesn't seem to notice. Leading the kabia meant doing this Leading the kabia meant doing this Leading the kabia meant doing this perfectly so that others could learn and perfectly so that others could learn and perfectly so that others could learn and follow. She became the lead at age follow. She became the lead at age follow. She became the lead at age three. Tuhino loves leading the rhyme so three. Tuhino loves leading the rhyme so three. Tuhino loves leading the rhyme so much that she will practice at night much that she will practice at night much that she will practice at night with her shadow on the bamboo wall and with her shadow on the bamboo wall and with her shadow on the bamboo wall and dance with it. Yasmin says Tuhin is bold dance with it. Yasmin says Tuhin is bold dance with it. Yasmin says Tuhin is bold and no one can tease her anymore. and no one can tease her anymore. and no one can tease her anymore. These are just a few examples and we've These are just a few examples and we've These are just a few examples and we've been running the play lab since 2017 been running the play lab since 2017 been running the play lab since 2017 reaching 50,000 children across 350 reaching 50,000 children across 350 reaching 50,000 children across 350 humanitarian plays in Cox's bazar. We've humanitarian plays in Cox's bazar. We've humanitarian plays in Cox's bazar. We've also used this approach in the Rhino also used this approach in the Rhino also used this approach in the Rhino refugee camp in Uganda. We've been refugee camp in Uganda. We've been refugee camp in Uganda. We've been working on it for the last 5 years and working on it for the last 5 years and working on it for the last 5 years and we'll be scaling and setting up 150 we'll be scaling and setting up 150 we'll be scaling and setting up 150 playab reaching 63,000 children in playab reaching 63,000 children in playab reaching 63,000 children in Uganda. I believe this work really Uganda. I believe this work really Uganda. I believe this work really matters. The play lab helps children to matters. The play lab helps children to matters. The play lab helps children to get ready to enter school feeling get ready to enter school feeling get ready to enter school feeling confident and proud. When I visit the confident and proud. When I visit the confident and proud. When I visit the camp now, parents say shukria or thank camp now, parents say shukria or thank camp now, parents say shukria or thank you for recognizing Rohingya play. The you for recognizing Rohingya play. The you for recognizing Rohingya play. The children here didn't choose to be children here didn't choose to be children here didn't choose to be refugees. They didn't choose to leave refugees. They didn't choose to leave refugees. They didn't choose to leave behind their home and where they behind their home and where they behind their home and where they belonged. But through play, we've helped belonged. But through play, we've helped belonged. But through play, we've helped them rediscover their own culture, the them rediscover their own culture, the them rediscover their own culture, the Rohhinga culture. And in doing so they Rohhinga culture. And in doing so they Rohhinga culture. And in doing so they showed us something extraordinary.

showed us something extraordinary. showed us something extraordinary. Their ability to find confidence, joy Their ability to find confidence, joy Their ability to find confidence, joy and pride even when a place is so and pride even when a place is so and pride even when a place is so unfamiliar. unfamiliar. unfamiliar. And that is something that every child And that is something that every child And that is something that every child deserves. Not just the children in Cox's deserves. Not just the children in Cox's deserves. Not just the children in Cox's Bazar. Every child everywhere deserves Bazar. Every child everywhere deserves Bazar. Every child everywhere deserves the right to play their own play. Thank the right to play their own play. Thank the right to play their own play. Thank you. We actually have uh Iram live on video We actually have uh Iram live on video stream with us right now from stream with us right now from stream with us right now from Bangladesh. Thank you so much for that Bangladesh. Thank you so much for that Bangladesh. Thank you so much for that uh beautiful talk and and thank you so uh beautiful talk and and thank you so uh beautiful talk and and thank you so much for for being here with us too. Um, I'd love to know what's your own Um, I'd love to know what's your own personal relationship with play. personal relationship with play. personal relationship with play. >> Well, I was raised by a mother who was >> Well, I was raised by a mother who was >> Well, I was raised by a mother who was so playful and she really believed in so playful and she really believed in so playful and she really believed in play. And so, she would tell me stories play. And so, she would tell me stories play. And so, she would tell me stories of the largest fruits and the brightest of the largest fruits and the brightest of the largest fruits and the brightest flowers. And she showed me how to climb flowers. And she showed me how to climb flowers. And she showed me how to climb trees. And on a rain day which would be trees. And on a rain day which would be trees. And on a rain day which would be rainy when it was raining she would say rainy when it was raining she would say rainy when it was raining she would say let's go and play outside and she would let's go and play outside and she would let's go and play outside and she would take me to the gardens and say let's take me to the gardens and say let's take me to the gardens and say let's roam around with the butterflies and so roam around with the butterflies and so roam around with the butterflies and so you know in my childhood you know she you know in my childhood you know she you know in my childhood you know she never stopped me from playing I could never stopped me from playing I could never stopped me from playing I could play non-stop. So when I grew up and I play non-stop. So when I grew up and I play non-stop. So when I grew up and I became an adult and then I joined Bragg became an adult and then I joined Bragg became an adult and then I joined Bragg the NGO the founder was Sir Fuzley Abed

the NGO the founder was Sir Fuzley Abed the NGO the founder was Sir Fuzley Abed and Sir Fuzley Abid did groundbreaking and Sir Fuzley Abid did groundbreaking and Sir Fuzley Abid did groundbreaking work for children who were vulnerable in work for children who were vulnerable in work for children who were vulnerable in health and education and so one day sir health and education and so one day sir health and education and so one day sir Fuzle Abed asked me so I am what do you Fuzle Abed asked me so I am what do you Fuzle Abed asked me so I am what do you think of play for younger kids and I think of play for younger kids and I think of play for younger kids and I absolutely jumped at the idea and so absolutely jumped at the idea and so absolutely jumped at the idea and so with that vision then I started Ed with that vision then I started Ed with that vision then I started Ed working on play in Bangladesh and lot of working on play in Bangladesh and lot of working on play in Bangladesh and lot of my colleagues started working on play in my colleagues started working on play in my colleagues started working on play in East Africa and I play worked on play in East Africa and I play worked on play in East Africa and I play worked on play in Bangladesh with my some of my Bangladesh with my some of my Bangladesh with my some of my colleagues. So we were working in colleagues. So we were working in colleagues. So we were working in Bangladesh and a lot of my colleagues Bangladesh and a lot of my colleagues Bangladesh and a lot of my colleagues were also working on play in East Africa were also working on play in East Africa were also working on play in East Africa and all of us while we worked we really and all of us while we worked we really and all of us while we worked we really recognized that play was absolutely recognized that play was absolutely recognized that play was absolutely lifechanging for all children but lifechanging for all children but lifechanging for all children but particularly for children who were particularly for children who were particularly for children who were vulnerable vulnerable vulnerable and so I'm very grateful to my mother and so I'm very grateful to my mother and so I'm very grateful to my mother for having a childhood where I played so for having a childhood where I played so for having a childhood where I played so much and I'm very grateful to Sir Abid much and I'm very grateful to Sir Abid much and I'm very grateful to Sir Abid for letting us work on play. So, my own for letting us work on play. So, my own for letting us work on play. So, my own relationship with play is that I'm very relationship with play is that I'm very relationship with play is that I'm very grateful.

grateful. grateful. >> Well, we're very grateful for you and >> Well, we're very grateful for you and >> Well, we're very grateful for you and for the work you do. And I I hope you for the work you do. And I I hope you for the work you do. And I I hope you can hear the applause that you've gotten can hear the applause that you've gotten can hear the applause that you've gotten here in this room. Thank you. Thank you so much, Aram. And Thank you. Thank you so much, Aram. And and thank you again for being here with and thank you again for being here with and thank you again for being here with us. us. us. Um, all right. Our next speaker, our Um, all right. Our next speaker, our Um, all right. Our next speaker, our next speaker is the only award-winning next speaker is the only award-winning next speaker is the only award-winning artist that I've ever met who can also artist that I've ever met who can also artist that I've ever met who can also absolutely dominate in a slam dunk absolutely dominate in a slam dunk absolutely dominate in a slam dunk competition. He is a Harlem Globe Troder competition. He is a Harlem Globe Troder competition. He is a Harlem Globe Troder and a beautifully nuanced, talented and a beautifully nuanced, talented and a beautifully nuanced, talented mixed media artist whose work has been mixed media artist whose work has been mixed media artist whose work has been shown at Art Basil Miami. There is shown at Art Basil Miami. There is shown at Art Basil Miami. There is really no one else like him. Please give really no one else like him. Please give really no one else like him. Please give a huge welcome to Maxwell Pierce. GUYS, HERE it goes from level seven. Can GUYS, HERE it goes from level seven. Can I see that Zeus? I see that Zeus? I see that Zeus? >> Thank you, That was me shooting a basketball off of That was me shooting a basketball off of a 230 ft New York City building. It's a 230 ft New York City building. It's a 230 ft New York City building. It's certainly not your typical basketball certainly not your typical basketball certainly not your typical basketball court. I am a member of the Harlem Globe court. I am a member of the Harlem Globe court. I am a member of the Harlem Globe Trotters, a legendary exhibition Trotters, a legendary exhibition Trotters, a legendary exhibition basketball team that is credited for basketball team that is credited for basketball team that is credited for integrating the NBA, popularizing new integrating the NBA, popularizing new integrating the NBA, popularizing new moves like the alleyoop, and creating so moves like the alleyoop, and creating so moves like the alleyoop, and creating so many others.

many others. many others. These are the new moves that have These are the new moves that have These are the new moves that have advanced the game, but they've also advanced the game, but they've also advanced the game, but they've also given joy to the people that come and given joy to the people that come and given joy to the people that come and watch us perform. And that right there watch us perform. And that right there watch us perform. And that right there is precisely how we have lasted for a is precisely how we have lasted for a is precisely how we have lasted for a hundred years while also earning a spot hundred years while also earning a spot hundred years while also earning a spot in the Hall of Fame. Getting to this in the Hall of Fame. Getting to this in the Hall of Fame. Getting to this point in my career certainly was not a point in my career certainly was not a point in my career certainly was not a straight line. I've always struggled straight line. I've always struggled straight line. I've always struggled with highlevel sports coaching. There's with highlevel sports coaching. There's with highlevel sports coaching. There's a certain culture that has excessive a certain culture that has excessive a certain culture that has excessive cursing, yelling, and also a hyper cursing, yelling, and also a hyper cursing, yelling, and also a hyper seriousness that can really stunt your seriousness that can really stunt your seriousness that can really stunt your growth. Although we were playing sports, growth. Although we were playing sports, growth. Although we were playing sports, ironically, we weren't coached not to be ironically, we weren't coached not to be ironically, we weren't coached not to be very playful. very playful. very playful. I was a creative kid who loved art, but I was a creative kid who loved art, but I was a creative kid who loved art, but I was really, really shy. So, the I was really, really shy. So, the I was really, really shy. So, the constant confrontation with my coaches constant confrontation with my coaches constant confrontation with my coaches was always robbing me of my creativity. was always robbing me of my creativity. was always robbing me of my creativity. I learned that there was a seriousness I learned that there was a seriousness I learned that there was a seriousness in respecting the quality of the game. in respecting the quality of the game. in respecting the quality of the game. Whether it was basketball, football, Whether it was basketball, football, Whether it was basketball, football, baseball, or cross country, all of my baseball, or cross country, all of my baseball, or cross country, all of my coaches emphasized honoring and coaches emphasized honoring and coaches emphasized honoring and respecting the essence of their sport.

respecting the essence of their sport. respecting the essence of their sport. And that meant taking every drill and And that meant taking every drill and And that meant taking every drill and every exercise seriously and not doing every exercise seriously and not doing every exercise seriously and not doing anything that will challenge the anything that will challenge the anything that will challenge the traditional way of doing things. traditional way of doing things. traditional way of doing things. This is exactly what led my high school This is exactly what led my high school This is exactly what led my high school coach to telling me to stop trying to coach to telling me to stop trying to coach to telling me to stop trying to dunk the basketball. dunk the basketball. dunk the basketball. But ironically, it was my playfulness But ironically, it was my playfulness But ironically, it was my playfulness that got me to this point in my career. that got me to this point in my career. that got me to this point in my career. So, here's where I've landed today. And So, here's where I've landed today. And So, here's where I've landed today. And this is what I'm so excited to share this is what I'm so excited to share this is what I'm so excited to share with you all. Play is the most important with you all. Play is the most important with you all. Play is the most important ingredient in every person and every ingredient in every person and every ingredient in every person and every industry's evolution. industry's evolution. industry's evolution. I am an athlete and an artist and I have I am an athlete and an artist and I have I am an athlete and an artist and I have witnessed how play can break rules to witnessed how play can break rules to witnessed how play can break rules to improve both of these worlds that I live improve both of these worlds that I live improve both of these worlds that I live in. So just imagine if play, creativity, in. So just imagine if play, creativity, in. So just imagine if play, creativity, and a little bit of rulebreaking was in and a little bit of rulebreaking was in and a little bit of rulebreaking was in every industry. every industry. every industry. There once was a time in basketball There once was a time in basketball There once was a time in basketball where dunking was frowned upon so much where dunking was frowned upon so much where dunking was frowned upon so much that the NCAA banded for 9 years. Once that the NCAA banded for 9 years. Once that the NCAA banded for 9 years. Once that ban was lifted, the popularity of that ban was lifted, the popularity of that ban was lifted, the popularity of the game skyrocketed.

the game skyrocketed. the game skyrocketed. This context reminds me of my coaches This context reminds me of my coaches This context reminds me of my coaches yelling at me to stick to the yelling at me to stick to the yelling at me to stick to the fundamentals all because I decided or fundamentals all because I decided or fundamentals all because I decided or had the audacity to try and dunk the had the audacity to try and dunk the had the audacity to try and dunk the ball one time. ball one time. ball one time. Thankfully, I didn't listen to them and Thankfully, I didn't listen to them and Thankfully, I didn't listen to them and I got more and more comfortable with it. I got more and more comfortable with it. I got more and more comfortable with it. And over time, I was able to land my And over time, I was able to land my And over time, I was able to land my first dunk contest. With a lot of work, first dunk contest. With a lot of work, first dunk contest. With a lot of work, I was able to build a global reputation I was able to build a global reputation I was able to build a global reputation for dunking the basketball. I began to for dunking the basketball. I began to for dunking the basketball. I began to experiment with the boundaries of this. experiment with the boundaries of this. experiment with the boundaries of this. I would incorporate things that we I would incorporate things that we I would incorporate things that we didn't normally associate with dunking, didn't normally associate with dunking, didn't normally associate with dunking, like with a dog or catching the ball without looking or catching the ball without looking from someone else who's not looking.

Every time I approached this with a Every time I approached this with a playful mindset, I was rewarded not only playful mindset, I was rewarded not only playful mindset, I was rewarded not only with advancing the game, but also with with advancing the game, but also with with advancing the game, but also with the opportunities that I dreamed of as a the opportunities that I dreamed of as a the opportunities that I dreamed of as a kid. There were several video games that kid. There were several video games that kid. There were several video games that I used to love to play like NBA Live and I used to love to play like NBA Live and I used to love to play like NBA Live and NBA 2K, and I had the opportunity to NBA 2K, and I had the opportunity to NBA 2K, and I had the opportunity to feature my dunks in both of them. I've feature my dunks in both of them. I've feature my dunks in both of them. I've also had the opportunity to feature my also had the opportunity to feature my also had the opportunity to feature my dunks in GQ magazine as well as Sports dunks in GQ magazine as well as Sports dunks in GQ magazine as well as Sports Center top 10 and eventually received an Center top 10 and eventually received an Center top 10 and eventually received an honorable mention for an SP award. honorable mention for an SP award. honorable mention for an SP award. Unlike what my coaches constantly Unlike what my coaches constantly Unlike what my coaches constantly bickered about, being a glow troder bickered about, being a glow troder bickered about, being a glow troder requires much of the opposite. So much requires much of the opposite. So much requires much of the opposite. So much of what we love about the game today, a of what we love about the game today, a of what we love about the game today, a lot of that was at one point deemed as lot of that was at one point deemed as lot of that was at one point deemed as not fundamental or non-traditional. not fundamental or non-traditional. not fundamental or non-traditional. There's a beauty in balancing There's a beauty in balancing There's a beauty in balancing seriousness with play. seriousness with play. seriousness with play. For example, For example, For example, if I decided that I wanted to do if I decided that I wanted to do if I decided that I wanted to do something and I actually accidentally something and I actually accidentally something and I actually accidentally made a mistake, there is a way that I made a mistake, there is a way that I made a mistake, there is a way that I could brush that off. When a globe could brush that off. When a globe could brush that off. When a globe charter makes a mistake, they can have charter makes a mistake, they can have charter makes a mistake, they can have it be overlooked because of how they it be overlooked because of how they it be overlooked because of how they playfully embrace its direction.

playfully embrace its direction. playfully embrace its direction. They recognize that something went They recognize that something went They recognize that something went wrong, but they actually welcome the wrong, but they actually welcome the wrong, but they actually welcome the unfamiliarity that comes with that new unfamiliarity that comes with that new unfamiliarity that comes with that new position. So, for instance, if I try position. So, for instance, if I try position. So, for instance, if I try this trick right here and I accidentally drop the ball, I can and I accidentally drop the ball, I can use the momentum from that mistake to use the momentum from that mistake to use the momentum from that mistake to grow it into something new. what I've learned is that in order to what I've learned is that in order to get to that point, you have to be able get to that point, you have to be able get to that point, you have to be able to roll with it because otherwise you'll to roll with it because otherwise you'll to roll with it because otherwise you'll stop before you you're ever able to stop before you you're ever able to stop before you you're ever able to discover something new. discover something new. discover something new. And that is actually how we are able to And that is actually how we are able to And that is actually how we are able to stumble upon a new concept. As I stumble upon a new concept. As I stumble upon a new concept. As I mentioned before, I am also an artist.

mentioned before, I am also an artist. mentioned before, I am also an artist. In fact, the artist side of me came In fact, the artist side of me came In fact, the artist side of me came before I was ever a basketball player. before I was ever a basketball player. before I was ever a basketball player. Basketball amongst other sports has Basketball amongst other sports has Basketball amongst other sports has allowed me to have an ongoing allowed me to have an ongoing allowed me to have an ongoing relationship as it impacts my practice relationship as it impacts my practice relationship as it impacts my practice as an artist. as an artist. as an artist. Sports have given me the tools to Sports have given me the tools to Sports have given me the tools to identify voids in and around my life identify voids in and around my life identify voids in and around my life while also giving me a platform to fill while also giving me a platform to fill while also giving me a platform to fill them. Again, I was a really shy kid, so them. Again, I was a really shy kid, so them. Again, I was a really shy kid, so art was my way of expressing myself when art was my way of expressing myself when art was my way of expressing myself when sports didn't give me the opportunity sports didn't give me the opportunity sports didn't give me the opportunity to. I used to create drawings of my to. I used to create drawings of my to. I used to create drawings of my favorite anime characters. favorite anime characters. favorite anime characters. I would paint pictures of animals. And over time, I started to focus on And over time, I started to focus on people with real stories. Some of these people with real stories. Some of these people with real stories. Some of these experiences that I've had with experiences that I've had with experiences that I've had with basketball have allowed me to gain a new basketball have allowed me to gain a new basketball have allowed me to gain a new perspective. perspective. perspective. One day, I decided to cut up some One day, I decided to cut up some One day, I decided to cut up some shoelaces and put them on a canvas.

I wasn't totally satisfied with it just I wasn't totally satisfied with it just yet, but I knew that I had something yet, but I knew that I had something yet, but I knew that I had something significant there. significant there. significant there. Using this as my medium has allowed me Using this as my medium has allowed me Using this as my medium has allowed me to communicate my identity through my to communicate my identity through my to communicate my identity through my pieces. This is what it looks like up pieces. This is what it looks like up pieces. This is what it looks like up close. close. close. One of these signatures that's One of these signatures that's One of these signatures that's constantly through my work is using constantly through my work is using constantly through my work is using pieces of equipment that are a part of pieces of equipment that are a part of pieces of equipment that are a part of my personal journey as an athlete. For my personal journey as an athlete. For my personal journey as an athlete. For example, sometimes that's cut up example, sometimes that's cut up example, sometimes that's cut up basketballs from a past Globe Troder basketballs from a past Globe Troder basketballs from a past Globe Troder game. Other times that's tennis rackets from Other times that's tennis rackets from my childhood. >> And sometimes it's just shoelaces that I >> And sometimes it's just shoelaces that I wore when I was doing something wore when I was doing something wore when I was doing something important.

important. important. play has given me the flexibility but play has given me the flexibility but play has given me the flexibility but also the vision to see these materials also the vision to see these materials also the vision to see these materials as something more than just what we use as something more than just what we use as something more than just what we use on the court or on the field. All of on the court or on the field. All of on the court or on the field. All of these items, they have stories behind these items, they have stories behind these items, they have stories behind them. They have connections to the them. They have connections to the them. They have connections to the people that use them. Whether it's the people that use them. Whether it's the people that use them. Whether it's the tennis ball that bounced several tennis ball that bounced several tennis ball that bounced several thousand times to bring people together, thousand times to bring people together, thousand times to bring people together, or it's the spinning basketball that brought smiles to so many people's that brought smiles to so many people's faces around the world, or if it's faces around the world, or if it's faces around the world, or if it's shoelaces that I wore on a bad day, but shoelaces that I wore on a bad day, but shoelaces that I wore on a bad day, but I knew that I needed to keep moving. I knew that I needed to keep moving. I knew that I needed to keep moving. Play is what brings all of these things Play is what brings all of these things Play is what brings all of these things together, figuratively and physically. together, figuratively and physically. together, figuratively and physically. The world's brightest thinkers, The world's brightest thinkers, The world's brightest thinkers, engineers of evolution, engineers of evolution, engineers of evolution, they all play too much. Seriously, they all play too much. Seriously, they all play too much. Seriously, thank you. Thanks.

Thanks. Give Maxwell another huge round of Give Maxwell another huge round of Give Maxwell another huge round of applause. Wow. applause. Wow. applause. Wow. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Um, in all seriousness, I just want to Um, in all seriousness, I just want to Um, in all seriousness, I just want to say it is such an incredible honor to be say it is such an incredible honor to be say it is such an incredible honor to be in the same space as such talented and in the same space as such talented and in the same space as such talented and uh, beautiful people. And um, one of the uh, beautiful people. And um, one of the uh, beautiful people. And um, one of the real cool things that we have going on real cool things that we have going on real cool things that we have going on in the break is one of Maxwell's newest in the break is one of Maxwell's newest in the break is one of Maxwell's newest art pieces will be on display so you can art pieces will be on display so you can art pieces will be on display so you can see it up close and personal. Um, this see it up close and personal. Um, this see it up close and personal. Um, this is the conclusion of session one. And is the conclusion of session one. And is the conclusion of session one. And one of the things that makes played one of the things that makes played one of the things that makes played incredible, it's incredible for so many incredible, it's incredible for so many incredible, it's incredible for so many reasons, but one reason is because it is reasons, but one reason is because it is reasons, but one reason is because it is not just happening in this room. It is not just happening in this room. It is not just happening in this room. It is also happening online where they have also happening online where they have also happening online where they have their own amazing hosts that are going their own amazing hosts that are going their own amazing hosts that are going to be conducting exclusive interviews, to be conducting exclusive interviews, to be conducting exclusive interviews, playing games, showing TED animations, playing games, showing TED animations, playing games, showing TED animations, and revealing behindthe-scenes moments. and revealing behindthe-scenes moments. and revealing behindthe-scenes moments. So, if you're watching the live stream, So, if you're watching the live stream, So, if you're watching the live stream, you will get to see interviews from you will get to see interviews from you will get to see interviews from guests like incredible people like guests like incredible people like guests like incredible people like Simone Girtz, uh, Andrew Yaffy, and Simone Girtz, uh, Andrew Yaffy, and Simone Girtz, uh, Andrew Yaffy, and others. And we will see you, if you're others. And we will see you, if you're others. And we will see you, if you're on the live stream, we'll see you back on the live stream, we'll see you back on the live stream, we'll see you back here for session two. So, live stream, here for session two. So, live stream, here for session two. So, live stream, I'm gonna hand you off to my colleagues I'm gonna hand you off to my colleagues I'm gonna hand you off to my colleagues in the studio.

in the studio. in the studio. >> Thanks, Chris. And hi, live stream >> Thanks, Chris. And hi, live stream >> Thanks, Chris. And hi, live stream audience. I'm Alexandra Panzer and I audience. I'm Alexandra Panzer and I audience. I'm Alexandra Panzer and I just caught a basketball. just caught a basketball. just caught a basketball. >> And I'm Alex Rosenthal and I didn't, but >> And I'm Alex Rosenthal and I didn't, but >> And I'm Alex Rosenthal and I didn't, but I would like to try someday. I would like to try someday. I would like to try someday. >> I believe in you. >> I believe in you. >> I believe in you. >> Now that we're off the stage, things are >> Now that we're off the stage, things are >> Now that we're off the stage, things are going to get a little weird and going to get a little weird and going to get a little weird and wonderful. wonderful. wonderful. >> Yep. We're going to Well, the main stage >> Yep. We're going to Well, the main stage >> Yep. We're going to Well, the main stage is going to keep the big ideas flowing. is going to keep the big ideas flowing. is going to keep the big ideas flowing. We're going to be hanging out behind the We're going to be hanging out behind the We're going to be hanging out behind the scenes with some of our favorite scenes with some of our favorite scenes with some of our favorite creative minds. We're going to have creative minds. We're going to have creative minds. We're going to have conversations, games, experiments, a conversations, games, experiments, a conversations, games, experiments, a live performance, and probably a little live performance, and probably a little live performance, and probably a little chaos. I'm going to be playing games chaos. I'm going to be playing games chaos. I'm going to be playing games with some creators and luminaries and with some creators and luminaries and with some creators and luminaries and seeing where curiosity takes us. seeing where curiosity takes us. seeing where curiosity takes us. >> And I'm going to be sitting down and >> And I'm going to be sitting down and >> And I'm going to be sitting down and chatting with some of your favorite chatting with some of your favorite chatting with some of your favorite creators, people who are celebrating creators, people who are celebrating creators, people who are celebrating play in their work online and off. play in their work online and off. play in their work online and off. >> So stick around because we're just >> So stick around because we're just >> So stick around because we're just getting started. I'm so excited to getting started. I'm so excited to getting started. I'm so excited to introduce our first guest. Simone Yet is introduce our first guest. Simone Yet is introduce our first guest. Simone Yet is a Swedish inventor and YouTuber and the a Swedish inventor and YouTuber and the a Swedish inventor and YouTuber and the founder of Yet Studios.

Simone, Simone, >> thank you. Thank you so much for having >> thank you. Thank you so much for having >> thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Also, what a buffet. me. Also, what a buffet. me. Also, what a buffet. >> Oh, yes. Please don't eat them. >> Oh, yes. Please don't eat them. >> Oh, yes. Please don't eat them. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Uh there is one edible one in there, but >> Uh there is one edible one in there, but >> Uh there is one edible one in there, but you we'll we'll see if we can find it. you we'll we'll see if we can find it. you we'll we'll see if we can find it. Um, we're going to play a game and I'm Um, we're going to play a game and I'm Um, we're going to play a game and I'm also while we just chat. Um, so the so also while we just chat. Um, so the so also while we just chat. Um, so the so we're calling this game Brictionary. we're calling this game Brictionary. we're calling this game Brictionary. It's basically Pictionary with Lego It's basically Pictionary with Lego It's basically Pictionary with Lego bricks. So we're each going to draw bricks. So we're each going to draw bricks. So we're each going to draw something out of this hat and we're something out of this hat and we're something out of this hat and we're going to create it for each other. going to create it for each other. going to create it for each other. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And um, how do you how do you feel about >> And um, how do you how do you feel about >> And um, how do you how do you feel about multitasking? multitasking? multitasking? >> Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. I mean, if >> Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. I mean, if >> Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. I mean, if there's anything constantly being on our there's anything constantly being on our there's anything constantly being on our phones have taught us multitasking. phones have taught us multitasking. phones have taught us multitasking. Okay. So, we're drawing Okay. So, we're drawing Okay. So, we're drawing >> a note and then drawing in Lego bricks. >> a note and then drawing in Lego bricks. >> a note and then drawing in Lego bricks. >> Okay. Yes, exactly. >> Okay. Yes, exactly. >> Okay. Yes, exactly. >> How did you come up with this idea? >> How did you come up with this idea? >> How did you come up with this idea? >> Um, I don't know. It came to me in a >> Um, I don't know. It came to me in a >> Um, I don't know. It came to me in a dream. Okay, this can be a dream. Okay, this can be a dream. Okay, this can be a >> Because it's funny because I before I >> Because it's funny because I before I >> Because it's funny because I before I started my YouTube channel, I actually started my YouTube channel, I actually started my YouTube channel, I actually gave um or did a project with Lego when gave um or did a project with Lego when gave um or did a project with Lego when I was in advertising school and one of I was in advertising school and one of I was in advertising school and one of the warm-ups that we thought of was the warm-ups that we thought of was the warm-ups that we thought of was doing Pictionary with Lego bricks. Yeah. doing Pictionary with Lego bricks. Yeah. doing Pictionary with Lego bricks. Yeah. >> Was it just like this? >> Was it just like this? >> Was it just like this? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did it work? >> Did it work? >> Did it work? >> It was just like this, but a lot more >> It was just like this, but a lot more >> It was just like this, but a lot more screaming.

screaming. screaming. >> Should we scream? >> Should we scream? >> Should we scream? >> Yeah. It was just because it was like a >> Yeah. It was just because it was like a >> Yeah. It was just because it was like a team thing and everybody had to guess. team thing and everybody had to guess. team thing and everybody had to guess. Um Um Um >> uh so yeah, >> uh so yeah, >> uh so yeah, >> I um I don't have the most skills at >> I um I don't have the most skills at >> I um I don't have the most skills at building out of Lego bricks. So, uh building out of Lego bricks. So, uh building out of Lego bricks. So, uh >> you're in luck because I do. >> you're in luck because I do. >> you're in luck because I do. >> I just found a really good piece. Okay. >> I just found a really good piece. Okay. >> I just found a really good piece. Okay. >> Um I'd love to also just chat while we >> Um I'd love to also just chat while we >> Um I'd love to also just chat while we do this. Um so, do this. Um so, do this. Um so, >> and in that the the theme of the event >> and in that the the theme of the event >> and in that the the theme of the event is play, is play, is play, >> um I just want to talk about games and >> um I just want to talk about games and >> um I just want to talk about games and play and everything. And I feel like you play and everything. And I feel like you play and everything. And I feel like you have one of the most playful design have one of the most playful design have one of the most playful design processes processes processes >> that I've ever seen. And I'm just really >> that I've ever seen. And I'm just really >> that I've ever seen. And I'm just really curious about the role of play in in how curious about the role of play in in how curious about the role of play in in how you create. you create. you create. >> Oh, dude. It is it is really like I was >> Oh, dude. It is it is really like I was >> Oh, dude. It is it is really like I was not I played a lot as a kid and then I not I played a lot as a kid and then I not I played a lot as a kid and then I was an incredibly ambitious teenager and was an incredibly ambitious teenager and was an incredibly ambitious teenager and really lost my touch with the play in a really lost my touch with the play in a really lost my touch with the play in a lot of ways. Like I I was so duty driven lot of ways. Like I I was so duty driven lot of ways. Like I I was so duty driven and then I realized that like enthusiasm and then I realized that like enthusiasm and then I realized that like enthusiasm is a way better fuel than duty. I think is a way better fuel than duty. I think is a way better fuel than duty. I think I'm kind of ready for you to guess.

I'm kind of ready for you to guess. I'm kind of ready for you to guess. Okay, put it up here so that the Okay, put it up here so that the Okay, put it up here so that the audience at home can guess. audience at home can guess. audience at home can guess. >> I'm going windmill. >> I'm going windmill. >> I'm going windmill. >> Yay. >> Yay. >> Yay. >> Yeah. Okay, >> Yeah. Okay, >> Yeah. Okay, >> we did it. >> we did it. >> we did it. >> That's very good. >> That's very good. >> That's very good. >> Yeah, but I realiz >> Yeah, but I realiz >> Yeah, but I realiz >> try another word. >> try another word. >> try another word. >> Enthusiasm is a way better fuel than >> Enthusiasm is a way better fuel than >> Enthusiasm is a way better fuel than duty, but to keep your enthusiasm, it's duty, but to keep your enthusiasm, it's duty, but to keep your enthusiasm, it's like it's not a skill that we really like it's not a skill that we really like it's not a skill that we really learn. And I think play is one of the learn. And I think play is one of the learn. And I think play is one of the things of just like being free form and things of just like being free form and things of just like being free form and setting the bar really low. I think for setting the bar really low. I think for setting the bar really low. I think for me the problem was often like setting me the problem was often like setting me the problem was often like setting the bar really high and letting my the bar really high and letting my the bar really high and letting my perfectionism get in the way. So now I'm perfectionism get in the way. So now I'm perfectionism get in the way. So now I'm just like, you know what, just do just like, you know what, just do just like, you know what, just do something. It doesn't have to be great. something. It doesn't have to be great. something. It doesn't have to be great. Oh, this one's a hard one. Oh, this one's a hard one. Oh, this one's a hard one. >> Yeah. I'm also I don't think this is >> Yeah. I'm also I don't think this is >> Yeah. I'm also I don't think this is going to work. Um interesting. So what going to work. Um interesting. So what going to work. Um interesting. So what did you what did you play as a kid? did you what did you play as a kid? did you what did you play as a kid? >> Uh I mean I feel like there's a way that >> Uh I mean I feel like there's a way that >> Uh I mean I feel like there's a way that adults imagine that kids play and it's adults imagine that kids play and it's adults imagine that kids play and it's like mom and dad. Mine was like, "We are like mom and dad. Mine was like, "We are like mom and dad. Mine was like, "We are orphans. We need to harvest the organs orphans. We need to harvest the organs orphans. We need to harvest the organs of the other orphans to survive." Like, of the other orphans to survive." Like, of the other orphans to survive." Like, it's a lot of just playing despair. I it's a lot of just playing despair. I it's a lot of just playing despair. I don't know.

don't know. don't know. >> Oh, I have a 5-year-old and and we're >> Oh, I have a 5-year-old and and we're >> Oh, I have a 5-year-old and and we're just always orphans. just always orphans. just always orphans. >> I don't Yeah. And I feel like it's like >> I don't Yeah. And I feel like it's like >> I don't Yeah. And I feel like it's like the Disney complex as well, cuz I think the Disney complex as well, cuz I think the Disney complex as well, cuz I think it's the thing of like you're a kid and it's the thing of like you're a kid and it's the thing of like you're a kid and you have to figure it out on your own, you have to figure it out on your own, you have to figure it out on your own, where it's if you have parents, you're where it's if you have parents, you're where it's if you have parents, you're like, why wouldn't I just go to my dad? like, why wouldn't I just go to my dad? like, why wouldn't I just go to my dad? >> Yeah, exactly. It's immediate conflict >> Yeah, exactly. It's immediate conflict >> Yeah, exactly. It's immediate conflict and it sets up stakes. and it sets up stakes. and it sets up stakes. >> Um I'm looking for a torso or a head. >> Um I'm looking for a torso or a head. >> Um I'm looking for a torso or a head. >> So, okay. So, when you start >> So, okay. So, when you start >> So, okay. So, when you start >> Where's a head? >> Where's a head? >> Where's a head? >> So, like where when you're starting to >> So, like where when you're starting to >> So, like where when you're starting to create something new, create something new, create something new, >> are like it seems like you play with >> are like it seems like you play with >> are like it seems like you play with material a lot. It seems like you play material a lot. It seems like you play material a lot. It seems like you play with design. Is that is that fair to with design. Is that is that fair to with design. Is that is that fair to say? say? say? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think it's okay. Wait. Sorry. I'm >> I think it's okay. Wait. Sorry. I'm >> I think it's okay. Wait. Sorry. I'm ready for you to guess another one. ready for you to guess another one. ready for you to guess another one. >> Um Okay. Put it Put it here just so >> Um Okay. Put it Put it here just so >> Um Okay. Put it Put it here just so >> Yeah. This is teenytiny for all of this. >> Yeah. This is teenytiny for all of this. >> Yeah. This is teenytiny for all of this. It doesn't stand up on its own, so I It doesn't stand up on its own, so I It doesn't stand up on its own, so I have to hold it. have to hold it. have to hold it. >> Okay. Wait. And then I need to Okay. >> Okay. Wait. And then I need to Okay. >> Okay. Wait. And then I need to Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Um, body horror. Um, body horror. Um, body horror. >> Worm. Worm. >> Worm. Worm. >> Worm. Worm. >> Um, snake. >> Um, snake. >> Um, snake. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Uh, esophagus. >> Uh, esophagus. >> Uh, esophagus. >> It has a head. >> It has a head. >> It has a head. >> Well, yeah. That's why I thought the the >> Well, yeah. That's why I thought the the >> Well, yeah. That's why I thought the the pink thing was the esophagus. Uh, pink thing was the esophagus. Uh, pink thing was the esophagus. Uh, wave. Um, dolphin. I think I need more.

wave. Um, dolphin. I think I need more. wave. Um, dolphin. I think I need more. >> Ah, damn it. >> Ah, damn it. >> Ah, damn it. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Okay. Sorry. >> I'm disappointed in you. >> I'm disappointed in you. >> I'm disappointed in you. >> I I deserve that. >> I I deserve that. >> I I deserve that. >> I probably did a bad job. >> I probably did a bad job. >> I probably did a bad job. >> Okay. Well, here I'm going to try mine. >> Okay. Well, here I'm going to try mine. >> Okay. Well, here I'm going to try mine. Uh, color is meaningful, I will say. And Uh, color is meaningful, I will say. And Uh, color is meaningful, I will say. And I'm also Okay, I'm gonna put it here for I'm also Okay, I'm gonna put it here for I'm also Okay, I'm gonna put it here for a second so we can see it up close. Um, a second so we can see it up close. Um, a second so we can see it up close. Um, it should have a head. it should have a head. it should have a head. >> It should have a head. >> It should have a head. >> It should have a head. >> Well, I think this thing this thing is a >> Well, I think this thing this thing is a >> Well, I think this thing this thing is a head. head. head. >> It is. >> It is. >> It is. >> Okay. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna play >> Okay. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna play >> Okay. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna play with it. with it. with it. >> A bush plane. >> A bush plane. >> A bush plane. >> No. No. I mean, it it is you're right >> No. No. I mean, it it is you're right >> No. No. I mean, it it is you're right that it's flying. that it's flying. that it's flying. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, and color color is meaningful. >> Um, and color color is meaningful. >> Um, and color color is meaningful. >> Color important. >> Color important. >> Color important. >> Oh. Oh, okay. >> Oh. Oh, okay. >> Oh. Oh, okay. >> Here. Wait. >> Here. Wait. >> Here. Wait. I mean, not really throwing up, but I mean, not really throwing up, but I mean, not really throwing up, but >> Oh, dragon. >> Oh, dragon. >> Oh, dragon. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Yay. >> Yay. >> Yay. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. I need a new word. >> Okay. I need a new word. >> Okay. I need a new word. >> Sorry, you were asking me a question, >> Sorry, you were asking me a question, >> Sorry, you were asking me a question, and I'm not good at multitasking, and I'm not good at multitasking, and I'm not good at multitasking, apparently. Okay. Right. Design and apparently. Okay. Right. Design and apparently. Okay. Right. Design and material. And I mean, for now, a lot of material. And I mean, for now, a lot of material. And I mean, for now, a lot of my projects start with a problem. So, my projects start with a problem. So, my projects start with a problem. So, it'll be like it'll be like it'll be like >> glasses are annoying and they fog up.

>> glasses are annoying and they fog up. >> glasses are annoying and they fog up. And then I start thinking of, okay, is And then I start thinking of, okay, is And then I start thinking of, okay, is there another way you could do it? I there another way you could do it? I there another way you could do it? I think for me I Oh, I wonder if this think for me I Oh, I wonder if this think for me I Oh, I wonder if this actually will help you. Uh novelty and actually will help you. Uh novelty and actually will help you. Uh novelty and uniqueness uh really matters. So I want uniqueness uh really matters. So I want uniqueness uh really matters. So I want it to be a take like my ideal project is it to be a take like my ideal project is it to be a take like my ideal project is a take on an everyday object that you a take on an everyday object that you a take on an everyday object that you haven't seen before. So like rethinking haven't seen before. So like rethinking haven't seen before. So like rethinking these objects uh and how to do them these objects uh and how to do them these objects uh and how to do them better or get them to do a different better or get them to do a different better or get them to do a different job. Okay. What about this now? I wonder job. Okay. What about this now? I wonder job. Okay. What about this now? I wonder if the hair if the hair if the hair helped. helped. helped. Um, Um, Um, oh man. Please, if you are in the oh man. Please, if you are in the oh man. Please, if you are in the comments, please uh help me out here. comments, please uh help me out here. comments, please uh help me out here. >> And there's so much blue around. >> And there's so much blue around. >> And there's so much blue around. >> I mean, is is this a humanoid thing? >> I mean, is is this a humanoid thing? >> I mean, is is this a humanoid thing? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, it's one that you're very familiar with. it's one that you're very familiar with. it's one that you're very familiar with. >> Is it a character? I'm very familiar >> Is it a character? I'm very familiar >> Is it a character? I'm very familiar with it. Is it a specific person? with it. Is it a specific person? with it. Is it a specific person? >> No, but it's living in the water. >> No, but it's living in the water. >> No, but it's living in the water. >> A a mermaid. >> A a mermaid. >> A a mermaid. >> Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Um, great. Okay. Okay. Um, great. >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> That's perfect. Okay. Okay. You're >> That's perfect. Okay. Okay. You're >> That's perfect. Okay. Okay. You're talking about um design and everyday talking about um design and everyday talking about um design and everyday objects and I want to talk about jigsaws objects and I want to talk about jigsaws objects and I want to talk about jigsaws a little bit because we've both done a little bit because we've both done a little bit because we've both done wacky jigsaw projects recently wacky jigsaw projects recently wacky jigsaw projects recently >> and do you want to describe some of the >> and do you want to describe some of the >> and do you want to describe some of the interesting things you've done with interesting things you've done with interesting things you've done with jigsaws? jigsaws? jigsaws? >> Yeah. So, so, uh, this is once again >> Yeah. So, so, uh, this is once again >> Yeah. So, so, uh, this is once again comes to like the uniqueness that I seek comes to like the uniqueness that I seek comes to like the uniqueness that I seek for the things I do. And I think that is for the things I do. And I think that is for the things I do. And I think that is honestly part of my perfectionism coming honestly part of my perfectionism coming honestly part of my perfectionism coming in because I'm like, I won't allow in because I'm like, I won't allow in because I'm like, I won't allow myself to do what just other people are myself to do what just other people are myself to do what just other people are doing because I'm like, yeah, but then doing because I'm like, yeah, but then doing because I'm like, yeah, but then how can I justify taking up space in the how can I justify taking up space in the how can I justify taking up space in the world? So, in some ways, it's like me world? So, in some ways, it's like me world? So, in some ways, it's like me setting the bar really high for myself. setting the bar really high for myself. setting the bar really high for myself. But, I love jigsaw puzzles. I think But, I love jigsaw puzzles. I think But, I love jigsaw puzzles. I think they're so fun. And I thought, what if they're so fun. And I thought, what if they're so fun. And I thought, what if you had a puzzle where almost every you had a puzzle where almost every you had a puzzle where almost every piece was an edge piece? because usually piece was an edge piece? because usually piece was an edge piece? because usually you start with the rectangular outline you start with the rectangular outline you start with the rectangular outline of your puzzle, but if every piece is an of your puzzle, but if every piece is an of your puzzle, but if every piece is an edge piece, you would need to have a edge piece, you would need to have a edge piece, you would need to have a different technique. So, we have different technique. So, we have different technique. So, we have developed this um set of edge piece developed this um set of edge piece developed this um set of edge piece puzzles, which basically is like an puzzles, which basically is like an puzzles, which basically is like an outline that snakes around and that's outline that snakes around and that's outline that snakes around and that's mostly two piece pieces wide. So, it mostly two piece pieces wide. So, it mostly two piece pieces wide. So, it pushes you to do something differently.

pushes you to do something differently. pushes you to do something differently. And I think that is really really fun of And I think that is really really fun of And I think that is really really fun of just like, okay, what if everything that just like, okay, what if everything that just like, okay, what if everything that you know about jigsaw puzzles doesn't you know about jigsaw puzzles doesn't you know about jigsaw puzzles doesn't really apply here? So, I I've done one really apply here? So, I I've done one really apply here? So, I I've done one of them. I did the the Ant Hill one, and of them. I did the the Ant Hill one, and of them. I did the the Ant Hill one, and I loved it. Um, and my 5-year-old also I loved it. Um, and my 5-year-old also I loved it. Um, and my 5-year-old also really enjoyed doing it, and like I love really enjoyed doing it, and like I love really enjoyed doing it, and like I love that it tells a story. that it tells a story. that it tells a story. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> so with the my Jigsaw Game, Pandora's >> so with the my Jigsaw Game, Pandora's >> so with the my Jigsaw Game, Pandora's Legacy, um, the ED, you can't really Legacy, um, the ED, you can't really Legacy, um, the ED, you can't really start with the edges. Like, it's a start with the edges. Like, it's a start with the edges. Like, it's a similar situation where it's sort of similar situation where it's sort of similar situation where it's sort of breaking the the like, okay, do the do breaking the the like, okay, do the do breaking the the like, okay, do the do the frame first. the frame first. the frame first. >> Um, and one one of my colleagues that >> Um, and one one of my colleagues that >> Um, and one one of my colleagues that made him very mad because he was like, made him very mad because he was like, made him very mad because he was like, that's where I start. Like, just give me that's where I start. Like, just give me that's where I start. Like, just give me the edges. Um, what kind of responses the edges. Um, what kind of responses the edges. Um, what kind of responses have you got from people? have you got from people? have you got from people? >> Oh, I get the juiciest, angry, happy >> Oh, I get the juiciest, angry, happy >> Oh, I get the juiciest, angry, happy reviews. reviews. reviews. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I realize that it's like, yeah, it's >> I realize that it's like, yeah, it's >> I realize that it's like, yeah, it's people who are just like, "This was so people who are just like, "This was so people who are just like, "This was so hard. I yelled through all of it." Uh, hard. I yelled through all of it." Uh, hard. I yelled through all of it." Uh, five out of five stars. five out of five stars. five out of five stars. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> So, uh, yeah, it's it's a lot of people >> So, uh, yeah, it's it's a lot of people >> So, uh, yeah, it's it's a lot of people who are upset and thrilled that it's who are upset and thrilled that it's who are upset and thrilled that it's difficult in a different way. I mean, difficult in a different way. I mean, difficult in a different way. I mean, your puzzle was incredibly difficult, your puzzle was incredibly difficult, your puzzle was incredibly difficult, but for all the but for all the but for all the >> the clues and stuff, I got about halfway >> the clues and stuff, I got about halfway >> the clues and stuff, I got about halfway through.

through. through. >> Okay. Okay. There's some cool stuff at >> Okay. Okay. There's some cool stuff at >> Okay. Okay. There's some cool stuff at the end, too. the end, too. the end, too. >> Oh, damn it. >> Oh, damn it. >> Oh, damn it. >> Actually, yeah, I there's some like >> Actually, yeah, I there's some like >> Actually, yeah, I there's some like mechanical things that I want to tell mechanical things that I want to tell mechanical things that I want to tell you about at some point because um just you about at some point because um just you about at some point because um just I think your brain would would enjoy I think your brain would would enjoy I think your brain would would enjoy those. those. those. >> Um Okay. And so, you also have a >> Um Okay. And so, you also have a >> Um Okay. And so, you also have a all-white puzzle with one missing piece. all-white puzzle with one missing piece. all-white puzzle with one missing piece. >> Yeah, we actually took that out of our >> Yeah, we actually took that out of our >> Yeah, we actually took that out of our catalog. catalog. catalog. >> Um gift to humanity. pieces. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um gift to humanity. pieces. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um gift to humanity. pieces. Yeah. Yeah. My one of my first products that I did My one of my first products that I did My one of my first products that I did was an all-white puzzle with one piece was an all-white puzzle with one piece was an all-white puzzle with one piece missing. So, you got 499 missing. So, you got 499 missing. So, you got 499 out of 500 puzzles. And I think that was out of 500 puzzles. And I think that was out of 500 puzzles. And I think that was also like it was kind of commentary on also like it was kind of commentary on also like it was kind of commentary on perfectionism. And that I thought it was perfectionism. And that I thought it was perfectionism. And that I thought it was really funny that like if a puzzle really funny that like if a puzzle really funny that like if a puzzle misses a piece or is missing a piece, it misses a piece or is missing a piece, it misses a piece or is missing a piece, it loses a lot of its value. But what if it loses a lot of its value. But what if it loses a lot of its value. But what if it was sold was sold was sold >> intentionally incomplete? And also, I >> intentionally incomplete? And also, I >> intentionally incomplete? And also, I have a jar, a big jar in my workshop have a jar, a big jar in my workshop have a jar, a big jar in my workshop that has everybody's missing pieces. that has everybody's missing pieces. that has everybody's missing pieces. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> So, it's like kind of just the most >> So, it's like kind of just the most >> So, it's like kind of just the most benign super villain. benign super villain. benign super villain. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like has their souls. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like has their souls. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like has their souls. >> Yeah. I have all their missing pieces.

>> Yeah. I have all their missing pieces. >> Yeah. I have all their missing pieces. >> So, it's it's sort of like exquisite >> So, it's it's sort of like exquisite >> So, it's it's sort of like exquisite torture in two ways. One, you have no torture in two ways. One, you have no torture in two ways. One, you have no image. What do you think about image. What do you think about image. What do you think about constructing with with the the puzzle constructing with with the the puzzle constructing with with the the puzzle box? Like, do you box? Like, do you box? Like, do you >> I don't look at the box. Yeah. I'm >> I don't look at the box. Yeah. I'm >> I don't look at the box. Yeah. I'm hardcore. hardcore. hardcore. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and was that part of the >> Yeah. And and was that part of the >> Yeah. And and was that part of the intention there that you can't like it's intention there that you can't like it's intention there that you can't like it's all white. There's no box to look at. all white. There's no box to look at. all white. There's no box to look at. >> It's just all and it's random cut as >> It's just all and it's random cut as >> It's just all and it's random cut as well which makes it well which makes it well which makes it >> I guess um >> I guess um >> I guess um >> it's kind of it's a little bit of a >> it's kind of it's a little bit of a >> it's kind of it's a little bit of a minimal take on this. minimal take on this. minimal take on this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'll face it toward the camera >> I'll face it toward the camera >> I'll face it toward the camera >> scale. >> scale. >> scale. >> Uh this is um one to 100 maybe. >> Uh this is um one to 100 maybe. >> Uh this is um one to 100 maybe. >> I don't know. Actually I'm not very good >> I don't know. Actually I'm not very good >> I don't know. Actually I'm not very good at estimating. at estimating. at estimating. Um, >> maybe this should let me switch the >> maybe this should let me switch the order of these on it. order of these on it. order of these on it. >> It's like, what is it? What is it? >> It's like, what is it? What is it? >> It's like, what is it? What is it? >> Okay. I'm also just going to um act it a >> Okay. I'm also just going to um act it a >> Okay. I'm also just going to um act it a little bit. little bit. little bit. >> Lighthouse. >> Lighthouse. >> Lighthouse. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yay. Spot on. >> Oh, yay. Spot on. >> Oh, yay. Spot on. >> The acting. >> The acting. >> The acting. >> Are you eager to finish what you're >> Are you eager to finish what you're >> Are you eager to finish what you're building now?

building now? building now? >> Oh, I don't have one. I'm just >> Oh, I don't have one. I'm just >> Oh, I don't have one. I'm just rebuilding. rebuilding. rebuilding. >> Oh, you're Oh, I'm so sorry. I should >> Oh, you're Oh, I'm so sorry. I should >> Oh, you're Oh, I'm so sorry. I should have given you something. Okay. No, it's have given you something. Okay. No, it's have given you something. Okay. No, it's all good. all good. all good. >> You want to play another game? >> You want to play another game? >> You want to play another game? >> Yeah. Okay, we're gonna play some So, >> Yeah. Okay, we're gonna play some So, >> Yeah. Okay, we're gonna play some So, Ted, we we we make games. Ted, we we we make games. Ted, we we we make games. >> Um, and do you want to play a logic game >> Um, and do you want to play a logic game >> Um, and do you want to play a logic game or a word game? or a word game? or a word game? >> Word game. >> Word game. >> Word game. >> Let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> But also, English is my second language, >> But also, English is my second language, >> But also, English is my second language, so so so >> that's okay because we're going to play >> that's okay because we're going to play >> that's okay because we're going to play together. It's not going to be too hard. together. It's not going to be too hard. together. It's not going to be too hard. It's going to be fun. Um, so this is a It's going to be fun. Um, so this is a It's going to be fun. Um, so this is a game called Letter Brew. game called Letter Brew. game called Letter Brew. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And the first part of Letter Brew is Are >> And the first part of Letter Brew is Are >> And the first part of Letter Brew is Are you familiar with word letters? you familiar with word letters? you familiar with word letters? >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Where you change one letter at a time in >> Where you change one letter at a time in >> Where you change one letter at a time in a word. So, so we have the word melt and a word. So, so we have the word melt and a word. So, so we have the word melt and then we um the clue is asteroid blank. then we um the clue is asteroid blank. then we um the clue is asteroid blank. So, So, So, >> asteroid belt. >> asteroid belt. >> asteroid belt. >> Yeah, exactly. So, we change one letter >> Yeah, exactly. So, we change one letter >> Yeah, exactly. So, we change one letter in that. And then, um, here, let me I'll in that. And then, um, here, let me I'll in that. And then, um, here, let me I'll zoom this a little bit. Please play zoom this a little bit. Please play zoom this a little bit. Please play along at home. Please put your answers along at home. Please put your answers along at home. Please put your answers into the comments. Um, okay. Every time into the comments. Um, okay. Every time into the comments. Um, okay. Every time a blank rings, an angel gets its wings. a blank rings, an angel gets its wings. a blank rings, an angel gets its wings. >> Every bell. >> Every bell. >> Every bell. >> Bell. Very good. Um, charging animal in >> Bell. Very good. Um, charging animal in >> Bell. Very good. Um, charging animal in the Lamborghini logo. the Lamborghini logo. the Lamborghini logo. >> Charging. Oh, is it's like a It's like >> Charging. Oh, is it's like a It's like >> Charging. Oh, is it's like a It's like >> Yeah, bull.

>> Yeah, bull. >> Yeah, bull. >> A bull. Oh, yeah. No, I thought it was a >> A bull. Oh, yeah. No, I thought it was a >> A bull. Oh, yeah. No, I thought it was a Oh, I thought it was a cat animal or Oh, I thought it was a cat animal or Oh, I thought it was a cat animal or >> I thought it was too. I If I didn't have >> I thought it was too. I If I didn't have >> I thought it was too. I If I didn't have those letters, I I would have said like those letters, I I would have said like those letters, I I would have said like puma or something. puma or something. puma or something. >> Um, okay. So, we have three of these to >> Um, okay. So, we have three of these to >> Um, okay. So, we have three of these to make. Feel poorly. And I haven't I make. Feel poorly. And I haven't I make. Feel poorly. And I haven't I haven't done this um level before. haven't done this um level before. haven't done this um level before. >> Uh I think it's ale because it's because >> Uh I think it's ale because it's because >> Uh I think it's ale because it's because it's like it's like it's like >> feeling. >> feeling. >> feeling. >> Okay. Deep frying liquid oil. Nice. >> Okay. Deep frying liquid oil. Nice. >> Okay. Deep frying liquid oil. Nice. >> Hooting bird. >> Hooting bird. >> Hooting bird. >> Owl. >> Owl. >> Owl. >> Owl. >> Owl. >> Owl. >> That's fun. >> That's fun. >> That's fun. >> Uh hard precipitation. I think it's the first letter that we I think it's the first letter that we have to change. have to change. have to change. >> Oh, I don't know. >> Oh, I don't know. >> Oh, I don't know. >> I think it's sleet. >> I think it's sleet. >> I think it's sleet. >> Sleet. >> Sleet. >> Sleet. >> Yeah, there we go. Piece of paper. >> Yeah, there we go. Piece of paper. >> Yeah, there we go. Piece of paper. >> You don't think it's hard enough for >> You don't think it's hard enough for >> You don't think it's hard enough for precipitation? precipitation? precipitation? >> I I don't know. Sheet. >> I I don't know. Sheet. >> I I don't know. Sheet. >> Sheet. It's harder than like your >> Sheet. It's harder than like your >> Sheet. It's harder than like your average precipitation. average precipitation. average precipitation. >> Yeah. I thought sleep was like um >> Yeah. I thought sleep was like um >> Yeah. I thought sleep was like um halfmelted snow on the ground. halfmelted snow on the ground. halfmelted snow on the ground. >> I think it's the freezing rain on the >> I think it's the freezing rain on the >> I think it's the freezing rain on the ground. ground. ground. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Being a ha coup. >> Being a ha coup. >> Being a ha coup. >> Um buying animal >> Um buying animal >> Um buying animal >> sheep. Okay, so this is where things get >> sheep. Okay, so this is where things get >> sheep. Okay, so this is where things get wacky. Um, we we made three words, wacky. Um, we we made three words, wacky. Um, we we made three words, >> okay?

>> okay? >> okay? >> And there are three transformations and >> And there are three transformations and >> And there are three transformations and our goal is to change each of these our goal is to change each of these our goal is to change each of these words into the same final answer. So for words into the same final answer. So for words into the same final answer. So for one of them, we're going to do a rhyme one of them, we're going to do a rhyme one of them, we're going to do a rhyme with it. Another we're going to add a with it. Another we're going to add a with it. Another we're going to add a letter, an anagram, and the last one is letter, an anagram, and the last one is letter, an anagram, and the last one is going to be um whole into part as in going to be um whole into part as in going to be um whole into part as in like if it's bull, it could be a part. like if it's bull, it could be a part. like if it's bull, it could be a part. It could be a horn, for example. It's It could be a horn, for example. It's It could be a horn, for example. It's one part of it. one part of it. one part of it. >> Um, but we don't but like part of the >> Um, but we don't but like part of the >> Um, but we don't but like part of the game is figuring out which goes where. game is figuring out which goes where. game is figuring out which goes where. add a letter and anagram. add a letter and anagram. add a letter and anagram. >> And I don't actually know the answer. >> And I don't actually know the answer. >> And I don't actually know the answer. >> Please againird put your guesses in in >> Please againird put your guesses in in >> Please againird put your guesses in in the chat. the chat. the chat. >> Rhyme. >> Rhyme. >> Rhyme. >> Um, okay. Part of part of a sheep is >> Um, okay. Part of part of a sheep is >> Um, okay. Part of part of a sheep is fleece. fleece. fleece. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh, bull has horns. >> Uh, bull has horns. >> Uh, bull has horns. >> Owl is okay. >> Owl is okay. >> Owl is okay. >> Beak. >> Beak. >> Beak. >> Beak. >> Beak. >> Beak. >> But that doesn't rhyme with sheep >> But that doesn't rhyme with sheep >> But that doesn't rhyme with sheep >> or bull. >> or bull. >> or bull. >> So, wait. So, we were trying to try to >> So, wait. So, we were trying to try to >> So, wait. So, we were trying to try to find one part of one of these that find one part of one of these that find one part of one of these that rhymes with one of the other. rhymes with one of the other. rhymes with one of the other. >> Yeah, one of these. Yeah, exactly. One's >> Yeah, one of these. Yeah, exactly. One's >> Yeah, one of these. Yeah, exactly. One's gonna go into the rhyme bucket. gonna go into the rhyme bucket. gonna go into the rhyme bucket. >> H like >> H like >> H like >> um >> um >> um >> and what's this going to be the anagram >> and what's this going to be the anagram >> and what's this going to be the anagram one?

one? one? >> Wool. >> Wool. >> Wool. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> bull wool. >> bull wool. >> bull wool. >> Wool. Wool. >> Wool. Wool. >> Wool. Wool. >> Bull. >> Bull. >> Bull. >> Bull. Wool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You nailed >> Bull. Wool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You nailed >> Bull. Wool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You nailed it. Okay. So, uh sheep is the whole one it. Okay. So, uh sheep is the whole one it. Okay. So, uh sheep is the whole one to part. to part. to part. >> Bull is the rhyme. >> Bull is the rhyme. >> Bull is the rhyme. >> The rhyme and you add an an O to wool >> The rhyme and you add an an O to wool >> The rhyme and you add an an O to wool and to to owl and get wool. and to to owl and get wool. and to to owl and get wool. >> Oh, great. >> Oh, great. >> Oh, great. >> That was amazing. >> That was amazing. >> That was amazing. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> We did it. >> We did it. >> We did it. >> Hooray. Okay, that excellent, excellent >> Hooray. Okay, that excellent, excellent >> Hooray. Okay, that excellent, excellent work. work. work. >> Um, we finished exactly three minutes. >> Um, we finished exactly three minutes. >> Um, we finished exactly three minutes. Okay, another word puzzle or uh logic Okay, another word puzzle or uh logic Okay, another word puzzle or uh logic puzzle. puzzle. puzzle. >> Logic puzzle. >> Logic puzzle. >> Logic puzzle. >> Okay, awesome. >> Okay, awesome. >> Okay, awesome. >> Um, this is Have you ever done uh like >> Um, this is Have you ever done uh like >> Um, this is Have you ever done uh like nonograms or pickross before? nonograms or pickross before? nonograms or pickross before? >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Um, this is a logic puzzle form. I think >> Um, this is a logic puzzle form. I think >> Um, this is a logic puzzle form. I think we'll do Let's do this one. Um, where we'll do Let's do this one. Um, where we'll do Let's do this one. Um, where the numbers on the rows tell the two the numbers on the rows tell the two the numbers on the rows tell the two means that two of these are filled in in means that two of these are filled in in means that two of these are filled in in the row. Okay. the row. Okay. the row. Okay. >> And in the columns, it's the same deal. >> And in the columns, it's the same deal. >> And in the columns, it's the same deal. Eight means that eight are the eight of Eight means that eight are the eight of Eight means that eight are the eight of these are filmed in filled in. these are filmed in filled in. these are filmed in filled in. >> Um and if there's two one one that means >> Um and if there's two one one that means >> Um and if there's two one one that means there's two filled in some number of x's there's two filled in some number of x's there's two filled in some number of x's a one some number of x's a one some number of x's a one some number of x's >> and so you can just fill it in sort of >> and so you can just fill it in sort of >> and so you can just fill it in sort of piece by piece and like okay nice place piece by piece and like okay nice place piece by piece and like okay nice place to start was with the zeros here.

to start was with the zeros here. to start was with the zeros here. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> and then and then for example like we >> and then and then for example like we >> and then and then for example like we can do this eight because this is 10 can do this eight because this is 10 can do this eight because this is 10 high so we know these are all filled in. high so we know these are all filled in. high so we know these are all filled in. >> Okay. Um, we kind of nice little ASMR >> Okay. Um, we kind of nice little ASMR >> Okay. Um, we kind of nice little ASMR sounds. sounds. sounds. >> Seven >> Seven >> Seven will be everybody but one. will be everybody but one. will be everybody but one. >> Yeah, exactly. So, you can sort of like >> Yeah, exactly. So, you can sort of like >> Yeah, exactly. So, you can sort of like count down from the top. Seven. count down from the top. Seven. count down from the top. Seven. >> So, these are already filled in by one. >> So, these are already filled in by one. >> So, these are already filled in by one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, those count Oh, they're one >> Right. So, those count Oh, they're one >> Right. So, those count Oh, they're one one. Yeah. one. Yeah. one. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we've done our one one. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we've done our one one. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we've done our one one. Um, so now we can do like this four for Um, so now we can do like this four for Um, so now we can do like this four for example. example. example. >> Oops. I did X's. Do you Would you like >> Oops. I did X's. Do you Would you like >> Oops. I did X's. Do you Would you like to steer? to steer? to steer? >> No. You happy? >> No. You happy? >> No. You happy? >> Yeah. I'm I'm happy to just watch you. >> Yeah. I'm I'm happy to just watch you. >> Yeah. I'm I'm happy to just watch you. Um, so we could do one there because Um, so we could do one there because Um, so we could do one there because that's two and one one. that's two and one one. that's two and one one. >> I see. Well, we don't know which of >> I see. Well, we don't know which of >> I see. Well, we don't know which of these two the two is going to be, these two the two is going to be, these two the two is going to be, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But with this, we do know there's a two >> But with this, we do know there's a two >> But with this, we do know there's a two here. here. here. >> Okay. And then we can do this one, too. >> Okay. And then we can do this one, too. >> Okay. And then we can do this one, too. >> What do you think it's going to be? >> What do you think it's going to be? >> What do you think it's going to be? >> So, they're all picture. Like, it's >> So, they're all picture. Like, it's >> So, they're all picture. Like, it's going to be a picture. That's why I love going to be a picture. That's why I love going to be a picture. That's why I love these. These are some of my favorite these. These are some of my favorite these. These are some of my favorite logic puzzles because they're a picture logic puzzles because they're a picture logic puzzles because they're a picture in the end. And in fact, for this one, in the end. And in fact, for this one, in the end. And in fact, for this one, it's all an image from a TED animation.

it's all an image from a TED animation. it's all an image from a TED animation. >> I don't know. It's a giraffe putting its >> I don't know. It's a giraffe putting its >> I don't know. It's a giraffe putting its hand on another giraffe's neck. hand on another giraffe's neck. hand on another giraffe's neck. >> It's like a comfort giraffe. >> It's like a comfort giraffe. >> It's like a comfort giraffe. >> Saying yes, it's going to be okay. >> Saying yes, it's going to be okay. >> Saying yes, it's going to be okay. >> You're not as tall as I am, but that is >> You're not as tall as I am, but that is >> You're not as tall as I am, but that is okay. okay. okay. >> That kind of giraffe in my life. >> That kind of giraffe in my life. >> That kind of giraffe in my life. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, okay. So, we've got one. One. So, that okay. So, we've got one. One. So, that okay. So, we've got one. One. So, that could be either there or there. could be either there or there. could be either there or there. >> Yeah, I think we can do the seven now. >> Yeah, I think we can do the seven now. >> Yeah, I think we can do the seven now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. >> Seven. >> Seven. >> Seven. >> And then two can be either there or >> And then two can be either there or >> And then two can be either there or there. there. there. >> Wow. This is I'm I'm like not sure how >> Wow. This is I'm I'm like not sure how >> Wow. This is I'm I'm like not sure how to calibrate my brain to do this. to calibrate my brain to do this. to calibrate my brain to do this. >> Yeah. It also >> Yeah. It also >> Yeah. It also >> 221. So this one has to be >> 221. So this one has to be >> 221. So this one has to be >> Yes. Perfect. And then we can continue >> Yes. Perfect. And then we can continue >> Yes. Perfect. And then we can continue this one. Make that across. this one. Make that across. this one. Make that across. >> And then I guess just that one. >> And then I guess just that one. >> And then I guess just that one. >> What is it? Oh, it's a music. >> What is it? Oh, it's a music. >> What is it? Oh, it's a music. >> Yeah. Music notes. >> Yeah. Music notes. >> Yeah. Music notes. >> Yay. That's fun. Wait, so are these all >> Yay. That's fun. Wait, so are these all >> Yay. That's fun. Wait, so are these all games you can play online? These are games you can play online? These are games you can play online? These are games that you can play daily on games that you can play daily on games that you can play daily on ted.comgames. ted.comgames. ted.comgames. I know. I know. I know. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really It's really fun. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really It's really fun. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really It's really fun. I I I >> feel like everybody has their own little >> feel like everybody has their own little >> feel like everybody has their own little game widget. And I'm so I have to break game widget. And I'm so I have to break game widget. And I'm so I have to break Sudoku on my phone because I go too hard Sudoku on my phone because I go too hard Sudoku on my phone because I go too hard on it.

on it. on it. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like how hard are we talking? >> Like how hard are we talking? >> Like how hard are we talking? >> Hours. >> Hours. >> Hours. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If I Yeah. >> If I Yeah. >> If I Yeah. >> Just like one Sudoku after another. >> Just like one Sudoku after another. >> Just like one Sudoku after another. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> So, okay. So, and not to knock Sudoku, I >> So, okay. So, and not to knock Sudoku, I >> So, okay. So, and not to knock Sudoku, I like Sudoku, but at the end of Sudoku, like Sudoku, but at the end of Sudoku, like Sudoku, but at the end of Sudoku, you just have a grid of numbers. And you just have a grid of numbers. And you just have a grid of numbers. And that's why I like this one. Like this that's why I like this one. Like this that's why I like this one. Like this has always been this was actually my has always been this was actually my has always been this was actually my gateway into like puzzles. Yeah. My mom gateway into like puzzles. Yeah. My mom gateway into like puzzles. Yeah. My mom got me like a book of like of paint by got me like a book of like of paint by got me like a book of like of paint by number that that goes by a bunch of number that that goes by a bunch of number that that goes by a bunch of names that the games magazine put out names that the games magazine put out names that the games magazine put out and then like it's so satisfying because and then like it's so satisfying because and then like it's so satisfying because in the end you've made pixel art. And in in the end you've made pixel art. And in in the end you've made pixel art. And in fact for this game um we like the fact for this game um we like the fact for this game um we like the constructors are all tattoo artists. constructors are all tattoo artists. constructors are all tattoo artists. >> Um and so we just get some like nice fun >> Um and so we just get some like nice fun >> Um and so we just get some like nice fun art in our lives art in our lives art in our lives >> that you can get tattooed on your body >> that you can get tattooed on your body >> that you can get tattooed on your body later. later. later. >> And I I have every time I saw the level >> And I I have every time I saw the level >> And I I have every time I saw the level >> Yeah. You just do. >> Yeah. You just do. >> Yeah. You just do. You can see my arms. You can see my arms. You can see my arms. >> It'd be pretty cool. >> It'd be pretty cool. >> It'd be pretty cool. >> That's so That's so tough. >> That's so That's so tough. >> That's so That's so tough. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's really really tough. Yeah, >> Yeah, it's really really tough. Yeah, >> Yeah, it's really really tough. Yeah, >> I know. That's what I am. >> I know. That's what I am. >> I know. That's what I am. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um well, Simone, thank you so much for >> Um well, Simone, thank you so much for >> Um well, Simone, thank you so much for joining us today. It's been such a joining us today. It's been such a joining us today. It's been such a pleasure playing with you. Uh you did pleasure playing with you. Uh you did pleasure playing with you. Uh you did really great with the the Lego bricks. really great with the the Lego bricks. really great with the the Lego bricks. >> I'm sorry for shaming you for not >> I'm sorry for shaming you for not >> I'm sorry for shaming you for not kissing my mermaid. Was that I could kissing my mermaid. Was that I could kissing my mermaid. Was that I could have done a better job.

have done a better job. have done a better job. >> That mermaid like I think needed to see >> That mermaid like I think needed to see >> That mermaid like I think needed to see a doctor. a doctor. a doctor. >> Yeah. No, she she'd lost her arms and >> Yeah. No, she she'd lost her arms and >> Yeah. No, she she'd lost her arms and torso, but she finds a torso. torso, but she finds a torso. torso, but she finds a torso. >> Yeah. Yeah, she's very >> Yeah. Yeah, she's very >> Yeah. Yeah, she's very >> She was She was pure pure uh pure in the >> She was She was pure pure uh pure in the >> She was She was pure pure uh pure in the the wave of the wave of the wave of >> She's a mermaid on GLP1. She's very >> She's a mermaid on GLP1. She's very >> She's a mermaid on GLP1. She's very skinny. Just a worm. skinny. Just a worm. skinny. Just a worm. >> That's the world we live in now. >> That's the world we live in now. >> That's the world we live in now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um but thank you again. And um so uh >> Um but thank you again. And um so uh >> Um but thank you again. And um so uh next up we have um Alexander is going to next up we have um Alexander is going to next up we have um Alexander is going to be back where um with an unmissable be back where um with an unmissable be back where um with an unmissable interview with the CEO of Dude Perfect. interview with the CEO of Dude Perfect. interview with the CEO of Dude Perfect. But first, we have a TED animation that But first, we have a TED animation that But first, we have a TED animation that is um that is uh about one of the best is um that is uh about one of the best is um that is uh about one of the best games ever made, especially if you're games ever made, especially if you're games ever made, especially if you're ever in a restaurant and you make eye ever in a restaurant and you make eye ever in a restaurant and you make eye contact with a random baby. I think contact with a random baby. I think contact with a random baby. I think we've all been there. And uh if you we've all been there. And uh if you we've all been there. And uh if you haven't guessed what it is, you'll see haven't guessed what it is, you'll see haven't guessed what it is, you'll see it in a second. >> In Italy, it's called Joo. >> In Italy, it's called Joo. Palestinians say, and in Japan, it's Ba.

Palestinians say, and in Japan, it's Ba. Palestinians say, and in Japan, it's Ba. But in every language, the response is But in every language, the response is But in every language, the response is usually the same. Peekab-boo is a near usually the same. Peekab-boo is a near usually the same. Peekab-boo is a near universal source of laughter and universal source of laughter and universal source of laughter and connection for infants and adults. It's connection for infants and adults. It's connection for infants and adults. It's the first game that almost everyone the first game that almost everyone the first game that almost everyone plays. So, what is it about this goofy plays. So, what is it about this goofy plays. So, what is it about this goofy game that babies love so much? While game that babies love so much? While game that babies love so much? While infants develop at different rates, many infants develop at different rates, many infants develop at different rates, many cognitive and motor abilities emerge in cognitive and motor abilities emerge in cognitive and motor abilities emerge in a certain order. For example, while a certain order. For example, while a certain order. For example, while 6-month-olds can typically grab things 6-month-olds can typically grab things 6-month-olds can typically grab things and then promptly drop them, walking and and then promptly drop them, walking and and then promptly drop them, walking and talking generally begin around 12 talking generally begin around 12 talking generally begin around 12 months, this timeline was first formally months, this timeline was first formally months, this timeline was first formally charted in 1936 by Swiss psychologist charted in 1936 by Swiss psychologist charted in 1936 by Swiss psychologist Jean Pia. And while most modern Jean Pia. And while most modern Jean Pia. And while most modern researchers agree this process is more researchers agree this process is more researchers agree this process is more fluid than Pia believed, the early fluid than Pia believed, the early fluid than Pia believed, the early developments he identified are key for developments he identified are key for developments he identified are key for understanding peekaboo. First is face understanding peekaboo. First is face understanding peekaboo. First is face processing. This happens almost processing. This happens almost processing. This happens almost immediately. Newborns as young as 2 days immediately. Newborns as young as 2 days immediately. Newborns as young as 2 days old can recognize their caregivers old can recognize their caregivers old can recognize their caregivers faces. Then around 6 to 10 weeks, babies faces. Then around 6 to 10 weeks, babies faces. Then around 6 to 10 weeks, babies will begin social smiling. This is when will begin social smiling. This is when will begin social smiling. This is when they notice nearby laughing or smiling they notice nearby laughing or smiling they notice nearby laughing or smiling faces and start to mimic them. At 2 to 4 faces and start to mimic them. At 2 to 4 faces and start to mimic them. At 2 to 4 months, they may begin to understand months, they may begin to understand months, they may begin to understand cause and effect. And finally, between 4 cause and effect. And finally, between 4 cause and effect. And finally, between 4 and 7 months, they learn object and 7 months, they learn object and 7 months, they learn object permanence. Pia described this as the permanence. Pia described this as the permanence. Pia described this as the understanding that people and objects understanding that people and objects understanding that people and objects continue to exist even when you can't continue to exist even when you can't continue to exist even when you can't see them. So before this period, out of see them. So before this period, out of see them. So before this period, out of sight can literally mean out of mind,

sight can literally mean out of mind, sight can literally mean out of mind, making hiding your face akin to a magic making hiding your face akin to a magic making hiding your face akin to a magic trick. Before object permanence, this trick. Before object permanence, this trick. Before object permanence, this disappearing act can range from disappearing act can range from disappearing act can range from confusing to pleasantly surprising. But confusing to pleasantly surprising. But confusing to pleasantly surprising. But by 9 months, these developments are by 9 months, these developments are by 9 months, these developments are working together for peak peekaboo working together for peak peekaboo working together for peak peekaboo performance. At this age, infants can performance. At this age, infants can performance. At this age, infants can focus on the game longer, predict the focus on the game longer, predict the focus on the game longer, predict the timing of the reveal, and even look for timing of the reveal, and even look for timing of the reveal, and even look for the hidden object or person. And since the hidden object or person. And since the hidden object or person. And since infants learn about the world through infants learn about the world through infants learn about the world through play, Peekab-boo is one of their first play, Peekab-boo is one of their first play, Peekab-boo is one of their first teachers. In one study, 11-month-olds teachers. In one study, 11-month-olds teachers. In one study, 11-month-olds were shown a barrier, the bottom of were shown a barrier, the bottom of were shown a barrier, the bottom of which was hidden behind a screen. Then which was hidden behind a screen. Then which was hidden behind a screen. Then researchers rolled balls and toy cars researchers rolled balls and toy cars researchers rolled balls and toy cars behind the screen, removing it behind the screen, removing it behind the screen, removing it afterwards to show that the toys had afterwards to show that the toys had afterwards to show that the toys had either stopped at the barrier as either stopped at the barrier as either stopped at the barrier as expected or somehow gone through it. expected or somehow gone through it. expected or somehow gone through it. Infants shown these seemingly magical Infants shown these seemingly magical Infants shown these seemingly magical toys showed more interest in them toys showed more interest in them toys showed more interest in them afterwards, even ignoring new objects in afterwards, even ignoring new objects in afterwards, even ignoring new objects in favor of the toys that challenged their favor of the toys that challenged their favor of the toys that challenged their expectations.

expectations. expectations. The social expectations Peekaboo The social expectations Peekaboo The social expectations Peekaboo develops may be even more important. The develops may be even more important. The develops may be even more important. The game features several hallmarks of what game features several hallmarks of what game features several hallmarks of what researchers call social play. Eye researchers call social play. Eye researchers call social play. Eye contact, turn taking, and joint contact, turn taking, and joint contact, turn taking, and joint attention. These skills are the attention. These skills are the attention. These skills are the foundation of human conversation. And foundation of human conversation. And foundation of human conversation. And since it's a conversation, what the since it's a conversation, what the since it's a conversation, what the adult does matters. Just as caregivers adult does matters. Just as caregivers adult does matters. Just as caregivers learn to read their infant's cries and learn to read their infant's cries and learn to read their infant's cries and verbal cues, babies learn how adults verbal cues, babies learn how adults verbal cues, babies learn how adults respond to their behavior. respond to their behavior. respond to their behavior. Some play researchers call this back and Some play researchers call this back and Some play researchers call this back and forth serve and return interaction. And forth serve and return interaction. And forth serve and return interaction. And peekab-boo is a prime example. This call peekab-boo is a prime example. This call peekab-boo is a prime example. This call and response structure is also why some and response structure is also why some and response structure is also why some psychologists describe peekab-boo as a psychologists describe peekab-boo as a psychologists describe peekab-boo as a baby's first joke. It's an interaction baby's first joke. It's an interaction baby's first joke. It's an interaction where the format is reliable, but the where the format is reliable, but the where the format is reliable, but the content is surprising. As other motor content is surprising. As other motor content is surprising. As other motor and cognitive abilities develop, this and cognitive abilities develop, this and cognitive abilities develop, this foundation of social skills and object foundation of social skills and object foundation of social skills and object permanence informs various kinds of permanence informs various kinds of permanence informs various kinds of play. Once kids begin walking and play. Once kids begin walking and play. Once kids begin walking and talking, peekab-boo usually evolves into talking, peekab-boo usually evolves into talking, peekab-boo usually evolves into hideand seek. Though their hiding isn't hideand seek. Though their hiding isn't hideand seek. Though their hiding isn't usually very good at this age due to usually very good at this age due to usually very good at this age due to poor impulse control and a lack of poor impulse control and a lack of poor impulse control and a lack of theory of mind. This is the ability to theory of mind. This is the ability to theory of mind. This is the ability to understand, imagine, and predict other understand, imagine, and predict other understand, imagine, and predict other people's mental states. Without it, a people's mental states. Without it, a people's mental states. Without it, a child might think they're hidden simply child might think they're hidden simply child might think they're hidden simply by covering their own eyes. After all, by covering their own eyes. After all, by covering their own eyes. After all, if they can't see you, shortly you can't if they can't see you, shortly you can't if they can't see you, shortly you can't see them. Once theory of mind develops

see them. Once theory of mind develops see them. Once theory of mind develops around age 3 or four, kids can begin around age 3 or four, kids can begin around age 3 or four, kids can begin playing pretend together. All occupying playing pretend together. All occupying playing pretend together. All occupying a shared imaginary world, though even a shared imaginary world, though even a shared imaginary world, though even the most cooperative pretend play is the most cooperative pretend play is the most cooperative pretend play is often sprinkled with peekaboo style often sprinkled with peekaboo style often sprinkled with peekaboo style surprises. By ages five and six, surprises. By ages five and six, surprises. By ages five and six, language expands to inform more playful language expands to inform more playful language expands to inform more playful negotiation, leading to games with more negotiation, leading to games with more negotiation, leading to games with more complicated rules. After this point, complicated rules. After this point, complicated rules. After this point, most kids favorite types of play are most kids favorite types of play are most kids favorite types of play are more determined by their personalities more determined by their personalities more determined by their personalities and interests than their cognitive and interests than their cognitive and interests than their cognitive development. But no matter what play development. But no matter what play development. But no matter what play they pursue, as adults, they'll likely they pursue, as adults, they'll likely they pursue, as adults, they'll likely wind up playing peekab-boo again. This wind up playing peekab-boo again. This wind up playing peekab-boo again. This time from an allnew perspective. Hello and welcome back to the studio at Hello and welcome back to the studio at PlayT. I'm Alexandra Panzer and as part PlayT. I'm Alexandra Panzer and as part PlayT. I'm Alexandra Panzer and as part of our day celebrating all things play, of our day celebrating all things play, of our day celebrating all things play, we are going to be sitting down and we are going to be sitting down and we are going to be sitting down and chatting with CEO of one of the most chatting with CEO of one of the most chatting with CEO of one of the most popular channels on YouTube. I'm talking popular channels on YouTube. I'm talking popular channels on YouTube. I'm talking 65 million subscribers popular. Uh we're 65 million subscribers popular. Uh we're 65 million subscribers popular. Uh we're here with Andrew Yaffy, CEO of Dude here with Andrew Yaffy, CEO of Dude here with Andrew Yaffy, CEO of Dude Perfect. It's sports. It's comedy. It's Perfect. It's sports. It's comedy. It's Perfect. It's sports. It's comedy. It's in a word antics. And Andrew helps make in a word antics. And Andrew helps make in a word antics. And Andrew helps make it all happen.

it all happen. it all happen. All right, Andrew. >> Hi, Andrew. Hi. >> Hi, Andrew. Hi. >> Thanks for joining us. >> Thanks for joining us. >> Thanks for joining us. >> Thanks so much for having me. >> Thanks so much for having me. >> Thanks so much for having me. >> My pleasure. Um, okay. So for anyone who >> My pleasure. Um, okay. So for anyone who >> My pleasure. Um, okay. So for anyone who has like just turned on the internet has like just turned on the internet has like just turned on the internet today, can you tell us a little bit today, can you tell us a little bit today, can you tell us a little bit about uh Dude Perfect and how you got about uh Dude Perfect and how you got about uh Dude Perfect and how you got involved? involved? involved? >> I would love to. Uh Dude Perfect started >> I would love to. Uh Dude Perfect started >> I would love to. Uh Dude Perfect started 17 years ago, the very dawn of the 17 years ago, the very dawn of the 17 years ago, the very dawn of the internet internet internet >> before I was born. >> before I was born. >> before I was born. >> Yes. Uh early early YouTube days, five >> Yes. Uh early early YouTube days, five >> Yes. Uh early early YouTube days, five friends who were playing in a backyard friends who were playing in a backyard friends who were playing in a backyard at Texas A&M University. at Texas A&M University. at Texas A&M University. >> Uh throwing standing on the roof of >> Uh throwing standing on the roof of >> Uh throwing standing on the roof of their house, throwing a basketball off their house, throwing a basketball off their house, throwing a basketball off it into a into a hoop. and they filmed it into a into a hoop. and they filmed it into a into a hoop. and they filmed that uh and called it Backyard Stuntman. that uh and called it Backyard Stuntman. that uh and called it Backyard Stuntman. Posted it to a little known website Posted it to a little known website Posted it to a little known website called YouTube at the time. called YouTube at the time. called YouTube at the time. >> It went viral, which at the time was >> It went viral, which at the time was >> It went viral, which at the time was 50,000 views. 50,000 views. 50,000 views. >> Uh and later that week got a call from >> Uh and later that week got a call from >> Uh and later that week got a call from Good Morning America. And they said, "We Good Morning America. And they said, "We Good Morning America. And they said, "We saw your video. We'd love to have you saw your video. We'd love to have you saw your video. We'd love to have you guys on." And from there, the guys guys on." And from there, the guys guys on." And from there, the guys continued making things that they continued making things that they continued making things that they thought were fun, filming what they were thought were fun, filming what they were thought were fun, filming what they were doing in their lives, challenges and uh doing in their lives, challenges and uh doing in their lives, challenges and uh stunts and antics with each other. Uh stunts and antics with each other. Uh stunts and antics with each other. Uh and it just continued to grow and grow and it just continued to grow and grow and it just continued to grow and grow and grow and now we are a fully scaled and grow and now we are a fully scaled and grow and now we are a fully scaled sports media and entertainment company sports media and entertainment company sports media and entertainment company that looks to inspire play.

that looks to inspire play. that looks to inspire play. >> That Well, exactly. So that's your your >> That Well, exactly. So that's your your >> That Well, exactly. So that's your your mantra is to inspire play, right? It is. mantra is to inspire play, right? It is. mantra is to inspire play, right? It is. >> So what is that? What does that look >> So what is that? What does that look >> So what is that? What does that look like and how does your work online like and how does your work online like and how does your work online inspire people offline? inspire people offline? inspire people offline? >> Yeah, you know, we our core audience is >> Yeah, you know, we our core audience is >> Yeah, you know, we our core audience is six to 14 year olds. Like that's the six to 14 year olds. Like that's the six to 14 year olds. Like that's the sweet spot, the super fans. Uh and sweet spot, the super fans. Uh and sweet spot, the super fans. Uh and >> we take a lot of responsibility in that >> we take a lot of responsibility in that >> we take a lot of responsibility in that and we think it's really important that and we think it's really important that and we think it's really important that um kids love us but parents trust us. um kids love us but parents trust us. um kids love us but parents trust us. And one of the things we look to do is And one of the things we look to do is And one of the things we look to do is create incredibly compelling content, create incredibly compelling content, create incredibly compelling content, but that wants uh those kid fans to go but that wants uh those kid fans to go but that wants uh those kid fans to go try to do something. try to do something. try to do something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and there is nothing more playful and >> Um and there is nothing more playful and >> Um and there is nothing more playful and human and global than friends uh human and global than friends uh human and global than friends uh experimenting, right? That's ultimately experimenting, right? That's ultimately experimenting, right? That's ultimately what it is. Sports happens to be our what it is. Sports happens to be our what it is. Sports happens to be our platform. But when our guys do, and we platform. But when our guys do, and we platform. But when our guys do, and we hear it from parents all the time, our hear it from parents all the time, our hear it from parents all the time, our guys will do a trick shot of some sort, guys will do a trick shot of some sort, guys will do a trick shot of some sort, throwing a object or flipping a bottle, throwing a object or flipping a bottle, throwing a object or flipping a bottle, and kids will see a 10-minute video and and kids will see a 10-minute video and and kids will see a 10-minute video and then go try it for two hours.

then go try it for two hours. then go try it for two hours. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we love that. And we've now started, >> And we love that. And we've now started, >> And we love that. And we've now started, we have a a whole um series we call the we have a a whole um series we call the we have a a whole um series we call the trickshot of the month where we trickshot of the month where we trickshot of the month where we challenge our audience to go come up challenge our audience to go come up challenge our audience to go come up with their own trick shots and submit with their own trick shots and submit with their own trick shots and submit them. And so every month we're getting them. And so every month we're getting them. And so every month we're getting thousands and thousands of submissions thousands and thousands of submissions thousands and thousands of submissions go from kids across the internet. go from kids across the internet. go from kids across the internet. >> What's the wildest trick shot you've >> What's the wildest trick shot you've >> What's the wildest trick shot you've gotten? Or do you have a favorite? gotten? Or do you have a favorite? gotten? Or do you have a favorite? >> Uh let's see. Um there's so many good >> Uh let's see. Um there's so many good >> Uh let's see. Um there's so many good ones. Uh usually it is, you know, it's ones. Uh usually it is, you know, it's ones. Uh usually it is, you know, it's it's hard to come up with new ones, it's hard to come up with new ones, it's hard to come up with new ones, especially when our guys have been doing especially when our guys have been doing especially when our guys have been doing it for 17 years. it for 17 years. it for 17 years. >> Um it's usually when a really little kid >> Um it's usually when a really little kid >> Um it's usually when a really little kid does something. Go. does something. Go. does something. Go. >> I have a seven-year-old and a 5-year-old >> I have a seven-year-old and a 5-year-old >> I have a seven-year-old and a 5-year-old and they and they and they >> they're not quite they're aspiring >> they're not quite they're aspiring >> they're not quite they're aspiring trickshot artists. Um, so I love when I trickshot artists. Um, so I love when I trickshot artists. Um, so I love when I we get the submissions from the the we get the submissions from the the we get the submissions from the the younger kids of them trying to do younger kids of them trying to do younger kids of them trying to do something crazy. Always safe. We always something crazy. Always safe. We always something crazy. Always safe. We always make sure there's parental supervision. make sure there's parental supervision. make sure there's parental supervision. Uh, but it's uh it's a lot of fun stuff Uh, but it's uh it's a lot of fun stuff Uh, but it's uh it's a lot of fun stuff to see. to see. to see. >> Well, I don't know if you caught my >> Well, I don't know if you caught my >> Well, I don't know if you caught my trick shot earlier, but I caught a trick shot earlier, but I caught a trick shot earlier, but I caught a basketball on camera, so I should basketball on camera, so I should basketball on camera, so I should submit. I we'll cut it and I'll submit submit. I we'll cut it and I'll submit submit. I we'll cut it and I'll submit it. That's perfect. it. That's perfect. it. That's perfect. >> I know a guy. I can get you in the >> I know a guy. I can get you in the >> I know a guy. I can get you in the contest.

contest. contest. >> Okay, great. Um, yeah. So, well, your >> Okay, great. Um, yeah. So, well, your >> Okay, great. Um, yeah. So, well, your your target audience is um young people your target audience is um young people your target audience is um young people and families, right? So, and families, right? So, and families, right? So, >> how do you have any advice for parents >> how do you have any advice for parents >> how do you have any advice for parents who are trying to to engage with content who are trying to to engage with content who are trying to to engage with content together, who are trying to make this together, who are trying to make this together, who are trying to make this like screen experience, something that like screen experience, something that like screen experience, something that they can share and they can share and they can share and >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean, I would say the first thing is >> I mean, I would say the first thing is >> I mean, I would say the first thing is >> pick content that you like too, >> pick content that you like too, >> pick content that you like too, >> right? Like 80% of our content is cofud >> right? Like 80% of our content is cofud >> right? Like 80% of our content is cofud between parents and kids. Nice. between parents and kids. Nice. between parents and kids. Nice. >> Uh which we love. We cherish that, >> Uh which we love. We cherish that, >> Uh which we love. We cherish that, right? Our sweet spot is uh that you right? Our sweet spot is uh that you right? Our sweet spot is uh that you know kids love us and parents at a know kids love us and parents at a know kids love us and parents at a minimum tolerate us and you know when we minimum tolerate us and you know when we minimum tolerate us and you know when we bring in top sports stars or celebrities bring in top sports stars or celebrities bring in top sports stars or celebrities or do funny things like we see or do funny things like we see or do funny things like we see playfulness in adults. Actually, um playfulness in adults. Actually, um playfulness in adults. Actually, um earlier this week, we hosted a earlier this week, we hosted a earlier this week, we hosted a conference at our office and it was uh conference at our office and it was uh conference at our office and it was uh we had 200 adults come through uh at the we had 200 adults come through uh at the we had 200 adults come through uh at the end of the day and our office is uh end of the day and our office is uh end of the day and our office is uh there's a football field and there's a there's a football field and there's a there's a football field and there's a basketball court and a pickle ball court basketball court and a pickle ball court basketball court and a pickle ball court and a mini golf course.

and a mini golf course. and a mini golf course. >> Nice office. >> Nice office. >> Nice office. >> It's really nice. Uh it's great. >> It's really nice. Uh it's great. >> It's really nice. Uh it's great. >> We have Selzer on tap. We don't get a >> We have Selzer on tap. We don't get a >> We have Selzer on tap. We don't get a lot of work done, but uh but whenever lot of work done, but uh but whenever lot of work done, but uh but whenever adults come into our office, they adults come into our office, they adults come into our office, they naturally start to play naturally start to play naturally start to play >> that that we sounds ridiculous to say it >> that that we sounds ridiculous to say it >> that that we sounds ridiculous to say it out loud. There there was a gong hanging out loud. There there was a gong hanging out loud. There there was a gong hanging from the soccer net from the soccer net from the soccer net >> and three people came up with a game on >> and three people came up with a game on >> and three people came up with a game on their own to see who could throw a their own to see who could throw a their own to see who could throw a football, a baseball, and a pickle ball football, a baseball, and a pickle ball football, a baseball, and a pickle ball from the football field to hit the gong from the football field to hit the gong from the football field to hit the gong first. And it was two teams then first. And it was two teams then first. And it was two teams then competed. And it's just that natural competed. And it's just that natural competed. And it's just that natural spirit of uh experimentation that adults spirit of uh experimentation that adults spirit of uh experimentation that adults love too. And so I often think it's one, love too. And so I often think it's one, love too. And so I often think it's one, pick the right content to sit with your pick the right content to sit with your pick the right content to sit with your kids and watch. And then two, kids and watch. And then two, kids and watch. And then two, >> go out in the driveway or sit on the >> go out in the driveway or sit on the >> go out in the driveway or sit on the floor, get down at their level and do floor, get down at their level and do floor, get down at their level and do the thing with them because when they the thing with them because when they the thing with them because when they show that spark of excitement, show that spark of excitement, show that spark of excitement, >> double down on it and find that thing. >> double down on it and find that thing. >> double down on it and find that thing. And it doesn't have to be a fully formed And it doesn't have to be a fully formed And it doesn't have to be a fully formed game. It doesn't have to be an hour of game. It doesn't have to be an hour of game. It doesn't have to be an hour of board games, but if it's five minutes of board games, but if it's five minutes of board games, but if it's five minutes of flipping a bottle with a kid, flipping a bottle with a kid, flipping a bottle with a kid, >> I'm pretty sure the adults going to have >> I'm pretty sure the adults going to have >> I'm pretty sure the adults going to have a good time, too.

a good time, too. a good time, too. >> Yeah. Well, and that's what I love. I >> Yeah. Well, and that's what I love. I >> Yeah. Well, and that's what I love. I love that first video of just a bunch of love that first video of just a bunch of love that first video of just a bunch of friends hanging out in a a backyard kind friends hanging out in a a backyard kind friends hanging out in a a backyard kind of just like trying to one up each other of just like trying to one up each other of just like trying to one up each other with these trick shots. And it I love with these trick shots. And it I love with these trick shots. And it I love it, which so does the whole internet by it, which so does the whole internet by it, which so does the whole internet by the way. It's a very popular video. Um the way. It's a very popular video. Um the way. It's a very popular video. Um but uh that it reminds me of that but uh that it reminds me of that but uh that it reminds me of that feeling when you were a kid of just feeling when you were a kid of just feeling when you were a kid of just being like bored. Yeah. being like bored. Yeah. being like bored. Yeah. >> And and letting that boredom just like >> And and letting that boredom just like >> And and letting that boredom just like inspire you to to find stakes and create inspire you to to find stakes and create inspire you to to find stakes and create stakes for each other. So um I get Okay, stakes for each other. So um I get Okay, stakes for each other. So um I get Okay, so my question for you, you're a very so my question for you, you're a very so my question for you, you're a very cool grown-up with a cool job. Um and cool grown-up with a cool job. Um and cool grown-up with a cool job. Um and like a lot of cool jobs, came from the like a lot of cool jobs, came from the like a lot of cool jobs, came from the NBA, very cool. Do you ever let yourself NBA, very cool. Do you ever let yourself NBA, very cool. Do you ever let yourself get bored? Um, you know, I was actually get bored? Um, you know, I was actually get bored? Um, you know, I was actually reflecting earlier in one of the reflecting earlier in one of the reflecting earlier in one of the sessions that sessions that sessions that >> I need I need to uh install some more >> I need I need to uh install some more >> I need I need to uh install some more boredom time in my day. Yeah, boredom time in my day. Yeah, boredom time in my day. Yeah, >> I'm someone I like many adults am too >> I'm someone I like many adults am too >> I'm someone I like many adults am too addicted to my phone connected and I addicted to my phone connected and I addicted to my phone connected and I find the instant find the instant find the instant >> I feel that tinge of boredom, >> I feel that tinge of boredom, >> I feel that tinge of boredom, >> I tend to look at it and find some >> I tend to look at it and find some >> I tend to look at it and find some stimulus. Yeah. And stimulus. Yeah. And stimulus. Yeah. And >> I'm a daydreamer by heart. I'm a >> I'm a daydreamer by heart. I'm a >> I'm a daydreamer by heart. I'm a daydreamer by nature. Uh, and I want to daydreamer by nature. Uh, and I want to daydreamer by nature. Uh, and I want to it's one of the one of my New Year's it's one of the one of my New Year's it's one of the one of my New Year's resolutions in May is to uh, you know, resolutions in May is to uh, you know, resolutions in May is to uh, you know, now do a little bit more daydreaming now do a little bit more daydreaming now do a little bit more daydreaming because I think it's really because I think it's really because I think it's really inspirational. So, I don't think we do inspirational. So, I don't think we do inspirational. So, I don't think we do enough.

enough. enough. >> Yeah. What is So, what does that look >> Yeah. What is So, what does that look >> Yeah. What is So, what does that look like? How do we make more space to How like? How do we make more space to How like? How do we make more space to How are you going to make more space to be are you going to make more space to be are you going to make more space to be bored? What how are you going to bored? What how are you going to bored? What how are you going to daydream? Um, one thing I do I often I'm daydream? Um, one thing I do I often I'm daydream? Um, one thing I do I often I'm I'm a voracious podcast and audiobook I'm a voracious podcast and audiobook I'm a voracious podcast and audiobook listener and I think it's probably too listener and I think it's probably too listener and I think it's probably too much that okay walks I don't need I much that okay walks I don't need I much that okay walks I don't need I don't need audio on every walk I go on. don't need audio on every walk I go on. don't need audio on every walk I go on. >> Uh I can take an hour a day and I have a >> Uh I can take an hour a day and I have a >> Uh I can take an hour a day and I have a brick highly recommend which is a device brick highly recommend which is a device brick highly recommend which is a device that blocks your phone. that blocks your phone. that blocks your phone. >> Um I'm going to start >> Um I'm going to start >> Um I'm going to start >> doing that for several hours during the >> doing that for several hours during the >> doing that for several hours during the workday uh just to give me some space. workday uh just to give me some space. workday uh just to give me some space. already do it when I'm home with my already do it when I'm home with my already do it when I'm home with my family. Um, but doing it more during the family. Um, but doing it more during the family. Um, but doing it more during the workday because I like it resonated so workday because I like it resonated so workday because I like it resonated so much when one of the speakers said much when one of the speakers said much when one of the speakers said >> it's those moments of connection that >> it's those moments of connection that >> it's those moments of connection that are unexpected. That's where real ideas are unexpected. That's where real ideas are unexpected. That's where real ideas and creativity and fun come from. and creativity and fun come from. and creativity and fun come from. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> It's funny you I see I was reflecting >> It's funny you I see I was reflecting >> It's funny you I see I was reflecting also, you know, our guys at heart love also, you know, our guys at heart love also, you know, our guys at heart love to play with each other, right? That's to play with each other, right? That's to play with each other, right? That's where it started. And as we've grown up where it started. And as we've grown up where it started. And as we've grown up as a company, the natural tendency is as a company, the natural tendency is as a company, the natural tendency is we're gonna script more. We're gonna we're gonna script more. We're gonna we're gonna script more. We're gonna we're gonna have more people on set.

we're gonna have more people on set. we're gonna have more people on set. We're gonna have safety protocols and We're gonna have safety protocols and We're gonna have safety protocols and and our insurance and brand partners all and our insurance and brand partners all and our insurance and brand partners all come to the set. And they've given me come to the set. And they've given me come to the set. And they've given me the feedback of like, well, it's great the feedback of like, well, it's great the feedback of like, well, it's great that we now we went from having one guy that we now we went from having one guy that we now we went from having one guy with a phone to now a full-scale with a phone to now a full-scale with a phone to now a full-scale production crew, production crew, production crew, >> but it feels like work. >> but it feels like work. >> but it feels like work. >> And it's like, we can't make good >> And it's like, we can't make good >> And it's like, we can't make good content when it feels like work. We need content when it feels like work. We need content when it feels like work. We need it to feel like play. Like that's the it to feel like play. Like that's the it to feel like play. Like that's the beauty of the content. beauty of the content. beauty of the content. >> And so there's this balance that we >> And so there's this balance that we >> And so there's this balance that we strike of like we want it to be bigger, strike of like we want it to be bigger, strike of like we want it to be bigger, we want it to be safe, we want it to be we want it to be safe, we want it to be we want it to be safe, we want it to be more professional, more professional, more professional, >> right, but still live. >> right, but still live. >> right, but still live. >> They're not actors, you know? They're >> They're not actors, you know? They're >> They're not actors, you know? They're they need to be playful because that's they need to be playful because that's they need to be playful because that's what the audience sees and responds to. what the audience sees and responds to. what the audience sees and responds to. So, um, I want to make sure that they So, um, I want to make sure that they So, um, I want to make sure that they have space to play and I want to make have space to play and I want to make have space to play and I want to make sure that I have space to to daydream sure that I have space to to daydream sure that I have space to to daydream and play as well. So, and play as well. So, and play as well. So, >> I love that. Okay. Well, okay. So, my >> I love that. Okay. Well, okay. So, my >> I love that. Okay. Well, okay. So, my last question for you, um, it's a last question for you, um, it's a last question for you, um, it's a two-part question. The first part is um two-part question. The first part is um two-part question. The first part is um are you guys like best friends? are you guys like best friends? are you guys like best friends? >> Uh we're we're colleagues. >> Uh we're we're colleagues. >> Uh we're we're colleagues. >> Okay. All right. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Yeah. >> But do you Okay. So >> But do you Okay. So >> But do you Okay. So >> we hang out a lot. >> we hang out a lot. >> we hang out a lot. >> We spend a lot of time together.

>> We spend a lot of time together. >> We spend a lot of time together. >> There you go. Yeah. Uh it's a special >> There you go. Yeah. Uh it's a special >> There you go. Yeah. Uh it's a special brand of friendship colleague. It's like brand of friendship colleague. It's like brand of friendship colleague. It's like very Yeah. Um but this this partnership very Yeah. Um but this this partnership very Yeah. Um but this this partnership was born out of friendship. Do you have was born out of friendship. Do you have was born out of friendship. Do you have any advice for any advice for any advice for >> adults who want to use play to try and >> adults who want to use play to try and >> adults who want to use play to try and make their relationship stronger? make their relationship stronger? make their relationship stronger? Um, Um, Um, I think it's really hard to plan it. I think it's really hard to plan it. I think it's really hard to plan it. Like that's the I think too often we as Like that's the I think too often we as Like that's the I think too often we as adults are like, "Okay, this is my adults are like, "Okay, this is my adults are like, "Okay, this is my playtime. playtime. playtime. >> This is my fun time." I think it really >> This is my fun time." I think it really >> This is my fun time." I think it really is more about the mentality that you is more about the mentality that you is more about the mentality that you approach. Yeah. Everything that you do. approach. Yeah. Everything that you do. approach. Yeah. Everything that you do. How do you, and that's what I see at our How do you, and that's what I see at our How do you, and that's what I see at our company, which is in this most serious company, which is in this most serious company, which is in this most serious of meetings, sometimes the most the best of meetings, sometimes the most the best of meetings, sometimes the most the best creative ideas will come up, right? And creative ideas will come up, right? And creative ideas will come up, right? And how do we allow that to happen, right? how do we allow that to happen, right? how do we allow that to happen, right? That we can't be a super structured. That we can't be a super structured. That we can't be a super structured. This is the this is the meeting about This is the this is the meeting about This is the this is the meeting about finance and this is the like that goes finance and this is the like that goes finance and this is the like that goes against everything that we want to be. against everything that we want to be. against everything that we want to be. >> Uh and so really leaning in and allowing >> Uh and so really leaning in and allowing >> Uh and so really leaning in and allowing play to be to and and creativity and play to be to and and creativity and play to be to and and creativity and unstruct that unstructured nature to unstruct that unstructured nature to unstruct that unstructured nature to really undergard the whole culture. Um really undergard the whole culture. Um really undergard the whole culture. Um and whether that's in a friendship in a and whether that's in a friendship in a and whether that's in a friendship in a group of friends or whether that's uh at group of friends or whether that's uh at group of friends or whether that's uh at a company. Um, I think that's really a company. Um, I think that's really a company. Um, I think that's really important to to be able to have that important to to be able to have that important to to be able to have that base layer of just like, hey, listen, base layer of just like, hey, listen, base layer of just like, hey, listen, let's not take ourselves too seriously.

let's not take ourselves too seriously. let's not take ourselves too seriously. Let's be able to take a step back and Let's be able to take a step back and Let's be able to take a step back and engage the silly part of our brains. Uh, engage the silly part of our brains. Uh, engage the silly part of our brains. Uh, because that's where good ideas and also because that's where good ideas and also because that's where good ideas and also just a more enjoyable experience come just a more enjoyable experience come just a more enjoyable experience come from. from. from. >> Absolutely. Amazing. Well, thank you so >> Absolutely. Amazing. Well, thank you so >> Absolutely. Amazing. Well, thank you so much, Andy, for joining us. much, Andy, for joining us. much, Andy, for joining us. >> Um, all right. So, coming up, we have >> Um, all right. So, coming up, we have >> Um, all right. So, coming up, we have more interviews with some of our more interviews with some of our more interviews with some of our favorite creators. Uh, but first, have favorite creators. Uh, but first, have favorite creators. Uh, but first, have you ever had an imaginary friend? No you ever had an imaginary friend? No you ever had an imaginary friend? No judgment. Mine's actually here with us judgment. Mine's actually here with us judgment. Mine's actually here with us right now. You just can't see her right now. You just can't see her right now. You just can't see her because she's off camera. Um, but next because she's off camera. Um, but next because she's off camera. Um, but next up, we have a a TED animation about how up, we have a a TED animation about how up, we have a a TED animation about how having an imaginary friend is kind of a having an imaginary friend is kind of a having an imaginary friend is kind of a flex. So, check it out. Amiia and her friend Zela have been Amiia and her friend Zela have been inseparable for nearly a year. They inseparable for nearly a year. They inseparable for nearly a year. They share secrets, play games, and rule over share secrets, play games, and rule over share secrets, play games, and rule over imaginary kingdoms. Aiyia loves to talk, imaginary kingdoms. Aiyia loves to talk, imaginary kingdoms. Aiyia loves to talk, and Zelba is a great listener. Aiyah and Zelba is a great listener. Aiyah and Zelba is a great listener. Aiyah sometimes has bad ideas, and Zela goes sometimes has bad ideas, and Zela goes sometimes has bad ideas, and Zela goes along with them anyway. Amii is very along with them anyway. Amii is very along with them anyway. Amii is very real, and Zela is not. Some parents real, and Zela is not. Some parents real, and Zela is not. Some parents worry about their child having playmates worry about their child having playmates worry about their child having playmates they can't see or hear. But imaginary they can't see or hear. But imaginary they can't see or hear. But imaginary companions are a normal part of companions are a normal part of companions are a normal part of psychological development for many kids.

psychological development for many kids. psychological development for many kids. In fact, they even provide a special In fact, they even provide a special In fact, they even provide a special kind of support real friends can't. But kind of support real friends can't. But kind of support real friends can't. But to understand this, we first need to to understand this, we first need to to understand this, we first need to explore what leads certain kids to explore what leads certain kids to explore what leads certain kids to create these fictional figures. Most create these fictional figures. Most create these fictional figures. Most often, their inventors are simply often, their inventors are simply often, their inventors are simply looking for someone to play with. looking for someone to play with. looking for someone to play with. Imaginary friends are typically created Imaginary friends are typically created Imaginary friends are typically created by children roughly 3 to four years old by children roughly 3 to four years old by children roughly 3 to four years old who lack siblings of a similar age. who lack siblings of a similar age. who lack siblings of a similar age. These kids tend to be socially outgoing. These kids tend to be socially outgoing. These kids tend to be socially outgoing. They like company, so they invent more They like company, so they invent more They like company, so they invent more of it. And while almost all kids enjoy of it. And while almost all kids enjoy of it. And while almost all kids enjoy playing pretend, children with invisible playing pretend, children with invisible playing pretend, children with invisible companions are especially fond of companions are especially fond of companions are especially fond of makebelieve. One study even found these makebelieve. One study even found these makebelieve. One study even found these kids were better storytellers, kids were better storytellers, kids were better storytellers, suggesting that imagining friends might suggesting that imagining friends might suggesting that imagining friends might help with linguistic and cognitive help with linguistic and cognitive help with linguistic and cognitive development. Outside a love of fantasy, development. Outside a love of fantasy, development. Outside a love of fantasy, and socializing, experts haven't found and socializing, experts haven't found and socializing, experts haven't found any meaningful differences in any meaningful differences in any meaningful differences in personality, intelligence, or shyness personality, intelligence, or shyness personality, intelligence, or shyness between kids who do and do not have between kids who do and do not have between kids who do and do not have imaginary friends. However, the imaginary friends. However, the imaginary friends. However, the invisible characters themselves couldn't invisible characters themselves couldn't invisible characters themselves couldn't be more different. They can be animals, be more different. They can be animals, be more different. They can be animals, real or fictional. Humans of all ages, real or fictional. Humans of all ages, real or fictional. Humans of all ages, shapes, and sizes, with features shapes, and sizes, with features shapes, and sizes, with features straight out of a fairy tale. Some come straight out of a fairy tale. Some come straight out of a fairy tale. Some come alone. Others have a gaggle of imaginary alone. Others have a gaggle of imaginary alone. Others have a gaggle of imaginary friends and family. They can even be friends and family. They can even be friends and family. They can even be what researchers call personified what researchers call personified what researchers call personified objects. Stuffed animals or toys brought objects. Stuffed animals or toys brought objects. Stuffed animals or toys brought to life by the imagination. And these to life by the imagination. And these to life by the imagination. And these manifestations vary from place to place.

manifestations vary from place to place. manifestations vary from place to place. A 2004 study found roughly 67% of US A 2004 study found roughly 67% of US A 2004 study found roughly 67% of US kids under 8 had invisible companions. kids under 8 had invisible companions. kids under 8 had invisible companions. While in Japan, personified objects were While in Japan, personified objects were While in Japan, personified objects were much more common. much more common. much more common. These fictional figures don't just look These fictional figures don't just look These fictional figures don't just look different. They also fill a variety of different. They also fill a variety of different. They also fill a variety of roles. roles. roles. Many are playmates and confidants, but Many are playmates and confidants, but Many are playmates and confidants, but others are scapegoats, errand buddies, others are scapegoats, errand buddies, others are scapegoats, errand buddies, or babies in need of care. This wide or babies in need of care. This wide or babies in need of care. This wide range is why researchers typically call range is why researchers typically call range is why researchers typically call them invisible or imaginary companions them invisible or imaginary companions them invisible or imaginary companions since they're not always friends. In since they're not always friends. In since they're not always friends. In fact, researchers have even reported fact, researchers have even reported fact, researchers have even reported children who fight with their imaginary children who fight with their imaginary children who fight with their imaginary companion or are actively afraid of companion or are actively afraid of companion or are actively afraid of them. These situations can concern them. These situations can concern them. These situations can concern parents. But not only are they totally parents. But not only are they totally parents. But not only are they totally normal, they highlight the special power normal, they highlight the special power normal, they highlight the special power of imaginary companions. of imaginary companions. of imaginary companions. Each of these characters is designed to Each of these characters is designed to Each of these characters is designed to fulfill their creators needs or wants. fulfill their creators needs or wants. fulfill their creators needs or wants. By creating a scary invisible companion, By creating a scary invisible companion, By creating a scary invisible companion, a child might be experimenting with a child might be experimenting with a child might be experimenting with feeling fear and how to conquer it.

feeling fear and how to conquer it. feeling fear and how to conquer it. Negotiating imaginary disagreements lets Negotiating imaginary disagreements lets Negotiating imaginary disagreements lets kids practice dealing with conflict kids practice dealing with conflict kids practice dealing with conflict without realworld consequences. And without realworld consequences. And without realworld consequences. And resolving these arguments can help them resolving these arguments can help them resolving these arguments can help them explore empathy and caregiving. In these explore empathy and caregiving. In these explore empathy and caregiving. In these ways and more, invisible companions give ways and more, invisible companions give ways and more, invisible companions give developing children the agency to developing children the agency to developing children the agency to explore emotions and social interactions explore emotions and social interactions explore emotions and social interactions on their terms. And since research on their terms. And since research on their terms. And since research consistently shows children know these consistently shows children know these consistently shows children know these characters are imaginary, the kids are characters are imaginary, the kids are characters are imaginary, the kids are always in control, even when it doesn't always in control, even when it doesn't always in control, even when it doesn't look like it. Some invisible companions look like it. Some invisible companions look like it. Some invisible companions stick around through their creators stick around through their creators stick around through their creators teenage and adult years. But generally, teenage and adult years. But generally, teenage and adult years. But generally, as kids start making friends in school as kids start making friends in school as kids start making friends in school around age five or six, they talk about around age five or six, they talk about around age five or six, they talk about their imaginary companions less and less their imaginary companions less and less their imaginary companions less and less often. That said, the time they spent often. That said, the time they spent often. That said, the time they spent with these fictional figures has with these fictional figures has with these fictional figures has lifelong benefits. Research suggests lifelong benefits. Research suggests lifelong benefits. Research suggests pretend play strengthens a child's pretend play strengthens a child's pretend play strengthens a child's theory of mind. This is our ability to theory of mind. This is our ability to theory of mind. This is our ability to understand, imagine, and predict other understand, imagine, and predict other understand, imagine, and predict other people's mental states. a skill that can people's mental states. a skill that can people's mental states. a skill that can help kids develop empathy and build help kids develop empathy and build help kids develop empathy and build relationships. And while we might stop relationships. And while we might stop relationships. And while we might stop speaking to our invisible companions, we speaking to our invisible companions, we speaking to our invisible companions, we never stop talking to ourselves. When never stop talking to ourselves. When never stop talking to ourselves. When you rehearse a difficult conversation in you rehearse a difficult conversation in you rehearse a difficult conversation in the shower or talk through your problems the shower or talk through your problems the shower or talk through your problems to a pet, you're using the same skills to a pet, you're using the same skills to a pet, you're using the same skills you learned from your imaginary you learned from your imaginary you learned from your imaginary companions. Talking through your inner companions. Talking through your inner companions. Talking through your inner monologue to problem solve and regulate monologue to problem solve and regulate monologue to problem solve and regulate your mood. So the next time you see a your mood. So the next time you see a your mood. So the next time you see a kid chattering to thin air, know that

kid chattering to thin air, know that kid chattering to thin air, know that you're watching the beginning of a you're watching the beginning of a you're watching the beginning of a lifelong conversation. Hi folks, welcome back. I'm Alexandra Hi folks, welcome back. I'm Alexandra Panzer and you're in the TED studio for Panzer and you're in the TED studio for Panzer and you're in the TED studio for Play at TED. If you're a fan of teeny Play at TED. If you're a fan of teeny Play at TED. If you're a fan of teeny tiny little handdrawn and animated tiny little handdrawn and animated tiny little handdrawn and animated worlds, you're probably already familiar worlds, you're probably already familiar worlds, you're probably already familiar with our next guest. Um, she was named with our next guest. Um, she was named with our next guest. Um, she was named the number one Instagram account to the number one Instagram account to the number one Instagram account to follow by MTV and Buzzfeed. We're follow by MTV and Buzzfeed. We're follow by MTV and Buzzfeed. We're talking to the award-winning talking to the award-winning talking to the award-winning illustrator, animator, and storyteller illustrator, animator, and storyteller illustrator, animator, and storyteller Rachel Riyle. >> Hi, Rachel. Thanks for joining us. >> Hi, Rachel. Thanks for joining us. >> Thank you. Thanks for having me. >> Thank you. Thanks for having me. >> Thank you. Thanks for having me. >> Oh my goodness. Our pleasure. Um, okay, >> Oh my goodness. Our pleasure. Um, okay, >> Oh my goodness. Our pleasure. Um, okay, Rachel, can you tell us a little bit Rachel, can you tell us a little bit Rachel, can you tell us a little bit about what you do, who you are, and your about what you do, who you are, and your about what you do, who you are, and your art? art? art? >> Yeah, absolutely. So, I am a self-taught >> Yeah, absolutely. So, I am a self-taught >> Yeah, absolutely. So, I am a self-taught animator. I started animating back in animator. I started animating back in animator. I started animating back in 2013.

2013. 2013. That's when MTV named me the best to That's when MTV named me the best to That's when MTV named me the best to follow. So, I'm really holding on to follow. So, I'm really holding on to follow. So, I'm really holding on to that title. that title. that title. >> Yeah, keep it. >> Yeah, keep it. >> Yeah, keep it. >> I'm gonna hold it on a year. >> I'm gonna hold it on a year. >> I'm gonna hold it on a year. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's been a while. Um but um since I've >> it's been a while. Um but um since I've >> it's been a while. Um but um since I've just evolved it into a career where I do just evolved it into a career where I do just evolved it into a career where I do animation, illustration, and animation, illustration, and animation, illustration, and storytelling full-time for different storytelling full-time for different storytelling full-time for different brands and uh different projects just brands and uh different projects just brands and uh different projects just out of passion and curiosity of my own. out of passion and curiosity of my own. out of passion and curiosity of my own. >> That's amazing. Okay. Wait, I want to >> That's amazing. Okay. Wait, I want to >> That's amazing. Okay. Wait, I want to focus on you refer to yourself as focus on you refer to yourself as focus on you refer to yourself as self-taught. self-taught. self-taught. >> Um okay, so again, today we're >> Um okay, so again, today we're >> Um okay, so again, today we're celebrating play and we're trying to celebrating play and we're trying to celebrating play and we're trying to understand the role it it plays. Oh, I'm understand the role it it plays. Oh, I'm understand the role it it plays. Oh, I'm not the first person to have done that not the first person to have done that not the first person to have done that today. um in how we work and learn and today. um in how we work and learn and today. um in how we work and learn and uh all aspects of our life. So, so for uh all aspects of our life. So, so for uh all aspects of our life. So, so for you, how does play um uh help you learn? you, how does play um uh help you learn? you, how does play um uh help you learn? What does that look like? What does that look like? What does that look like? >> Oh, well, it's um it's a joyful process >> Oh, well, it's um it's a joyful process >> Oh, well, it's um it's a joyful process also kind of like a painful but not um also kind of like a painful but not um also kind of like a painful but not um to put yourself to be an adult and put to put yourself to be an adult and put to put yourself to be an adult and put yourself in that childlike mindset of yourself in that childlike mindset of yourself in that childlike mindset of what can I make? how can I make it in a what can I make? how can I make it in a what can I make? how can I make it in a day and age where it's like make make go day and age where it's like make make go day and age where it's like make make go do more more and to just be present in do more more and to just be present in do more more and to just be present in the process of how could I make this the process of how could I make this the process of how could I make this come to life or what can I create out of come to life or what can I create out of come to life or what can I create out of this time that I have. Um I feel like so this time that I have. Um I feel like so this time that I have. Um I feel like so much of my art comes from a place of much of my art comes from a place of much of my art comes from a place of just curiosity and diving into my just curiosity and diving into my just curiosity and diving into my creative approach and sometimes I put creative approach and sometimes I put creative approach and sometimes I put out pieces that maybe I'm not very proud out pieces that maybe I'm not very proud out pieces that maybe I'm not very proud of. But it's also always a learning step of. But it's also always a learning step of. But it's also always a learning step to understanding new processes and

to understanding new processes and to understanding new processes and growing my craft and ultimately telling growing my craft and ultimately telling growing my craft and ultimately telling stories in new and exciting ways as an stories in new and exciting ways as an stories in new and exciting ways as an artist. artist. artist. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> Yeah. So when you get into that zone >> Yeah. So when you get into that zone >> Yeah. So when you get into that zone where because you're this is your where because you're this is your where because you're this is your profession now where you're like output profession now where you're like output profession now where you're like output output output like I need to make these output output like I need to make these output output like I need to make these deadlines and whatever else. How do you deadlines and whatever else. How do you deadlines and whatever else. How do you pull yourself back? How do you get back pull yourself back? How do you get back pull yourself back? How do you get back into that sense of exploration and into that sense of exploration and into that sense of exploration and curiosity that kind of got you started curiosity that kind of got you started curiosity that kind of got you started in the first place? That's a great in the first place? That's a great in the first place? That's a great question and I feel like I'm in that question and I feel like I'm in that question and I feel like I'm in that season of play right now where um if I season of play right now where um if I season of play right now where um if I am the age that I am 22 am the age that I am 22 am the age that I am 22 >> same >> same >> same >> um plus a couple um if I'm that age and >> um plus a couple um if I'm that age and >> um plus a couple um if I'm that age and I struggle with the feeling of um I struggle with the feeling of um I struggle with the feeling of um pressure I don't know how younger pressure I don't know how younger pressure I don't know how younger generations are handling that you know generations are handling that you know generations are handling that you know >> that need to create or that or you know >> that need to create or that or you know >> that need to create or that or you know the pressure to put out um and so I have the pressure to put out um and so I have the pressure to put out um and so I have been actually working on a piece that been actually working on a piece that been actually working on a piece that I've in Lost for like two and a half I've in Lost for like two and a half I've in Lost for like two and a half months now and it's to the 302nd mark of months now and it's to the 302nd mark of months now and it's to the 302nd mark of um how long it plays for right now and um how long it plays for right now and um how long it plays for right now and it's been an interesting thing of um it's been an interesting thing of um it's been an interesting thing of um really appreciating that time that I've really appreciating that time that I've really appreciating that time that I've put into it and I'm currently the only put into it and I'm currently the only put into it and I'm currently the only person who has seen this piece play so person who has seen this piece play so person who has seen this piece play so far and I feel like I'm lost in the play far and I feel like I'm lost in the play far and I feel like I'm lost in the play like I'm back to the art table.

like I'm back to the art table. like I'm back to the art table. >> No one's seeing it yet and no one's >> No one's seeing it yet and no one's >> No one's seeing it yet and no one's judging it or you know anything yet. So, judging it or you know anything yet. So, judging it or you know anything yet. So, um I think that I push myself to just um I think that I push myself to just um I think that I push myself to just enjoy that process because that process enjoy that process because that process enjoy that process because that process doesn't always come to be with yourself, doesn't always come to be with yourself, doesn't always come to be with yourself, with your craft, playing in whatever you with your craft, playing in whatever you with your craft, playing in whatever you are creating without any other voices or are creating without any other voices or are creating without any other voices or noise around you. It's just you and the noise around you. It's just you and the noise around you. It's just you and the piece. piece. piece. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I'm in it right now. >> Yeah. So, I'm in it right now. >> Yeah. So, I'm in it right now. >> Oh, yay. Congratulations. >> Oh, yay. Congratulations. >> Oh, yay. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Um Yeah. Well, and that's >> Thank you. Um Yeah. Well, and that's >> Thank you. Um Yeah. Well, and that's funny. You know, we talk a lot here funny. You know, we talk a lot here funny. You know, we talk a lot here today about um incorporating play into today about um incorporating play into today about um incorporating play into schools and into our workplace and schools and into our workplace and schools and into our workplace and everything, but we're, you know, the everything, but we're, you know, the everything, but we're, you know, the elephant in the room is like in those elephant in the room is like in those elephant in the room is like in those environments, we're also being judged. environments, we're also being judged. environments, we're also being judged. We're being assessed. We're being assessed. We're being assessed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and uh Yeah. So, how how do you >> Um and uh Yeah. So, how how do you >> Um and uh Yeah. So, how how do you manage that as someone who it sounds manage that as someone who it sounds manage that as someone who it sounds like like your work springs from this like like your work springs from this like like your work springs from this place of joy? Um how do you handle that place of joy? Um how do you handle that place of joy? Um how do you handle that kind of uh yeah expectations and and uh kind of uh yeah expectations and and uh kind of uh yeah expectations and and uh worrying about yeah other people's worrying about yeah other people's worrying about yeah other people's assessment?

assessment? assessment? >> Um it's definitely been a journey and I >> Um it's definitely been a journey and I >> Um it's definitely been a journey and I think there are good days and there are think there are good days and there are think there are good days and there are bad days around it but um knowing that bad days around it but um knowing that bad days around it but um knowing that ultimately my art has been the number ultimately my art has been the number ultimately my art has been the number one thing that speaks the best for one thing that speaks the best for one thing that speaks the best for myself. So, if I'm going through a myself. So, if I'm going through a myself. So, if I'm going through a season where maybe I don't feel like I'm season where maybe I don't feel like I'm season where maybe I don't feel like I'm thriving in my craft or I'm productive thriving in my craft or I'm productive thriving in my craft or I'm productive in my craft, ultimately that piece that in my craft, ultimately that piece that in my craft, ultimately that piece that I'm creating will be what speaks to like I'm creating will be what speaks to like I'm creating will be what speaks to like it will open the doors that are ahead it will open the doors that are ahead it will open the doors that are ahead and it will do better work than I could and it will do better work than I could and it will do better work than I could ever do of like using my voice to say ever do of like using my voice to say ever do of like using my voice to say how I feel. Like my art says the message how I feel. Like my art says the message how I feel. Like my art says the message and it gets it out there. So, I trust and it gets it out there. So, I trust and it gets it out there. So, I trust that process that playing in my craft that process that playing in my craft that process that playing in my craft will then lead to something bigger than will then lead to something bigger than will then lead to something bigger than I'm capable to do without making the art I'm capable to do without making the art I'm capable to do without making the art in the first place. in the first place. in the first place. >> Yeah, trust sounds like it's a big >> Yeah, trust sounds like it's a big >> Yeah, trust sounds like it's a big trusting yourself trusting yourself trusting yourself >> and chocolate. >> and chocolate. >> and chocolate. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> chocolate. Yeah. Um, do you have a >> chocolate. Yeah. Um, do you have a >> chocolate. Yeah. Um, do you have a favorite animation that you've made or favorite animation that you've made or favorite animation that you've made or one that means a lot to you? one that means a lot to you? one that means a lot to you? >> That's a great question. Um, gosh, >> That's a great question. Um, gosh, >> That's a great question. Um, gosh, shoot. I'll I'll say the one that I'm shoot. I'll I'll say the one that I'm shoot. I'll I'll say the one that I'm working on right now. I just got back working on right now. I just got back working on right now. I just got back from Japan and I've been working on a from Japan and I've been working on a from Japan and I've been working on a passion piece about it. Um, and so I'm passion piece about it. Um, and so I'm passion piece about it. Um, and so I'm very proud of it. Hopefully going to very proud of it. Hopefully going to very proud of it. Hopefully going to come out like next week if I get it done come out like next week if I get it done come out like next week if I get it done when I get it done.

when I get it done. when I get it done. >> Um, and you got it on record now. >> Um, and you got it on record now. >> Um, and you got it on record now. >> Yeah, I got it on record. >> Yeah, I got it on record. >> Yeah, I got it on record. >> Um, yeah, I would say that always the >> Um, yeah, I would say that always the >> Um, yeah, I would say that always the piece that I'm working on seems to be my piece that I'm working on seems to be my piece that I'm working on seems to be my new favorite. Um, new favorite. Um, new favorite. Um, >> that's the best. >> that's the best. >> that's the best. >> It's the best. >> It's the best. >> It's the best. >> That's what we want. >> That's what we want. >> That's what we want. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. So, um, okay. We've talked a lot >> Wow. So, um, okay. We've talked a lot >> Wow. So, um, okay. We've talked a lot about uh your practice. I'm curious how about uh your practice. I'm curious how about uh your practice. I'm curious how your art and how your approach to art your art and how your approach to art your art and how your approach to art making and and your sense of play making and and your sense of play making and and your sense of play influences other aspects of your life or influences other aspects of your life or influences other aspects of your life or do you find a way to to to take that do you find a way to to to take that do you find a way to to to take that sense of play and apply it to other sense of play and apply it to other sense of play and apply it to other parts of your life? parts of your life? parts of your life? >> Yeah, absolutely. I just got to visit um >> Yeah, absolutely. I just got to visit um >> Yeah, absolutely. I just got to visit um with a really great family friend of with a really great family friend of with a really great family friend of mine and um their daughter Ava and I mine and um their daughter Ava and I mine and um their daughter Ava and I connect over art. I love playing with connect over art. I love playing with connect over art. I love playing with kids in art because it's the most free kids in art because it's the most free kids in art because it's the most free that I feel of being at a table. that I feel of being at a table. that I feel of being at a table. >> Like one day we worked on drawing like a >> Like one day we worked on drawing like a >> Like one day we worked on drawing like a Malibu beach house. The next day we're Malibu beach house. The next day we're Malibu beach house. The next day we're drawing horses, which I'm terrible at. drawing horses, which I'm terrible at. drawing horses, which I'm terrible at. But we were just playing and um I But we were just playing and um I But we were just playing and um I surprised her. I um contacted her school surprised her. I um contacted her school surprised her. I um contacted her school and became I came in and surprised her and became I came in and surprised her and became I came in and surprised her to be the art teacher for the day, which to be the art teacher for the day, which to be the art teacher for the day, which was so much fun to see her like freak was so much fun to see her like freak was so much fun to see her like freak out that I was there and then um just out that I was there and then um just out that I was there and then um just play with the kids for like an hour play with the kids for like an hour play with the kids for like an hour straight. And yeah, so I I love to straight. And yeah, so I I love to straight. And yeah, so I I love to incorporate particularly around kids incorporate particularly around kids incorporate particularly around kids like however I can make a day like a a like however I can make a day like a a like however I can make a day like a a child's day better by creating art with child's day better by creating art with child's day better by creating art with them or making art for them, writing them or making art for them, writing them or making art for them, writing them letters or whatever. That's that's them letters or whatever. That's that's them letters or whatever. That's that's how I incorporate it into my life. Yeah.

how I incorporate it into my life. Yeah. how I incorporate it into my life. Yeah. >> Amazing. Um do you I know you have >> Amazing. Um do you I know you have >> Amazing. Um do you I know you have actually worked with LEGO before, right? actually worked with LEGO before, right? actually worked with LEGO before, right? Yeah. Do you want to tell us a little Yeah. Do you want to tell us a little Yeah. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that partnership? bit about that partnership? bit about that partnership? >> Yeah, definitely. I've had the um I'm >> Yeah, definitely. I've had the um I'm >> Yeah, definitely. I've had the um I'm very happy to have worked with them a very happy to have worked with them a very happy to have worked with them a number of times through different number of times through different number of times through different umbrellas, but my favorite time that I umbrellas, but my favorite time that I umbrellas, but my favorite time that I worked with them um was when it was a worked with them um was when it was a worked with them um was when it was a season of me creating like new and season of me creating like new and season of me creating like new and different types of art and I was putting different types of art and I was putting different types of art and I was putting it out on my channel and just trying new it out on my channel and just trying new it out on my channel and just trying new things, which is very challenging as an things, which is very challenging as an things, which is very challenging as an artist. It's vulnerable. It's artist. It's vulnerable. It's artist. It's vulnerable. It's uncomfortable, uncomfortable, uncomfortable, >> especially if you're known for a certain >> especially if you're known for a certain >> especially if you're known for a certain style, style, style, >> a certain style. And um um but I just >> a certain style. And um um but I just >> a certain style. And um um but I just trusted the process and put some art out trusted the process and put some art out trusted the process and put some art out and I kept doing it as as uncomfortable and I kept doing it as as uncomfortable and I kept doing it as as uncomfortable as it was. But unbeknownst to me, LEGO as it was. But unbeknownst to me, LEGO as it was. But unbeknownst to me, LEGO was watching my channel and they were was watching my channel and they were was watching my channel and they were about to launch a campaign highlighting about to launch a campaign highlighting about to launch a campaign highlighting people who are challenging themselves to people who are challenging themselves to people who are challenging themselves to grow in their craft. And they were grow in their craft. And they were grow in their craft. And they were watching my art evolve and they're like, watching my art evolve and they're like, watching my art evolve and they're like, "We want you to be a part of this "We want you to be a part of this "We want you to be a part of this educational division." And so, um, we educational division." And so, um, we educational division." And so, um, we got to do videos for, um, kids that were got to do videos for, um, kids that were got to do videos for, um, kids that were played in schools and like challenging played in schools and like challenging played in schools and like challenging people to always be pushing themselves people to always be pushing themselves people to always be pushing themselves to grow creatively and through play. So, to grow creatively and through play. So, to grow creatively and through play. So, >> I love that.

>> I love that. >> I love that. >> Yeah. Beautiful. >> Yeah. Beautiful. >> Yeah. Beautiful. >> Um, okay. Well, with uh a couple minutes >> Um, okay. Well, with uh a couple minutes >> Um, okay. Well, with uh a couple minutes left here, I wondered if you would um left here, I wondered if you would um left here, I wondered if you would um play a little uh game with me. play a little uh game with me. play a little uh game with me. >> Yeah, absolutely. In the spirit of play. >> Yeah, absolutely. In the spirit of play. >> Yeah, absolutely. In the spirit of play. It's not poker, but we can talk later. It's not poker, but we can talk later. It's not poker, but we can talk later. All right. Um but um yeah, so basically All right. Um but um yeah, so basically All right. Um but um yeah, so basically I just wanted to ask you inspired by I just wanted to ask you inspired by I just wanted to ask you inspired by some of your earlier work, I wanted to some of your earlier work, I wanted to some of your earlier work, I wanted to ask you a series of teeny tiny ask you a series of teeny tiny ask you a series of teeny tiny questions. questions. questions. >> Please, please. >> Please, please. >> Please, please. >> Okay, first question. >> Okay, first question. >> Okay, first question. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you were a teeny tiny mouse living in >> If you were a teeny tiny mouse living in >> If you were a teeny tiny mouse living in a teeny tiny house. a teeny tiny house. a teeny tiny house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um what would be your bed? A walnut >> Um what would be your bed? A walnut >> Um what would be your bed? A walnut shell? shell? shell? >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> A matchbox or a pad of butter? Um >> A matchbox or a pad of butter? Um >> A matchbox or a pad of butter? Um gosh, I would say the butter. gosh, I would say the butter. gosh, I would say the butter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because then I could also use it >> Yeah. Because then I could also use it >> Yeah. Because then I could also use it for a slide on a hot summer day or for a slide on a hot summer day or for a slide on a hot summer day or something. something. something. >> It's soft. >> It's soft. >> It's soft. >> Yeah, it's soft. >> Yeah, it's soft. >> Yeah, it's soft. >> Absolutely. Right answer. Okay, next >> Absolutely. Right answer. Okay, next >> Absolutely. Right answer. Okay, next question. What's better, a thimble, question. What's better, a thimble, question. What's better, a thimble, >> a Barbie shoe, >> a Barbie shoe, >> a Barbie shoe, >> or a really tiny spoon?

>> or a really tiny spoon? >> or a really tiny spoon? >> Um, probably the spoon because you can >> Um, probably the spoon because you can >> Um, probably the spoon because you can eat chocolate. eat chocolate. eat chocolate. >> Okay. All right. We're We're plowing >> Okay. All right. We're We're plowing >> Okay. All right. We're We're plowing through these. Someone's an expert. Um, through these. Someone's an expert. Um, through these. Someone's an expert. Um, okay. Last one. If you were, say, a okay. Last one. If you were, say, a okay. Last one. If you were, say, a teeny tiny mouse living in, say, a teeny teeny tiny mouse living in, say, a teeny teeny tiny mouse living in, say, a teeny tiny house, tiny house, tiny house, >> um, what would you use as a hat? A >> um, what would you use as a hat? A >> um, what would you use as a hat? A button, button, button, >> a peanut, or an empty coffee creamer >> a peanut, or an empty coffee creamer >> a peanut, or an empty coffee creamer pod. pod. pod. >> Um, I would say the button because it >> Um, I would say the button because it >> Um, I would say the button because it would look like a beret. would look like a beret. would look like a beret. >> That's exactly what I was thinking. It's >> That's exactly what I was thinking. It's >> That's exactly what I was thinking. It's >> Yes, exactly. >> Yes, exactly. >> Yes, exactly. >> Rachel, it's been a pleasure talking to >> Rachel, it's been a pleasure talking to >> Rachel, it's been a pleasure talking to you. you. you. >> Likewise. Thank you for having me. >> Likewise. Thank you for having me. >> Likewise. Thank you for having me. >> Thank you for joining us. >> Thank you for joining us. >> Thank you for joining us. All right, so coming up shortly, we'll All right, so coming up shortly, we'll All right, so coming up shortly, we'll be playing more games with YouTube be playing more games with YouTube be playing more games with YouTube sensation and Lego brick connoisseur sensation and Lego brick connoisseur sensation and Lego brick connoisseur Emosaurus. But first, check out this Emosaurus. But first, check out this Emosaurus. But first, check out this video from TED speaker Steven Johnson on video from TED speaker Steven Johnson on video from TED speaker Steven Johnson on some of on how some of our species most some of on how some of our species most some of on how some of our species most innovative technologies are not made out innovative technologies are not made out innovative technologies are not made out of necessity, but out of that strange of necessity, but out of that strange of necessity, but out of that strange delightful sense of play.

Roughly 43,000 years ago, a young cave Roughly 43,000 years ago, a young cave bear died in the rolling hills on the bear died in the rolling hills on the bear died in the rolling hills on the northwest border of modern-day Slovenia. northwest border of modern-day Slovenia. northwest border of modern-day Slovenia. A thousand years later, a mammoth died A thousand years later, a mammoth died A thousand years later, a mammoth died in southern Germany. A few centuries in southern Germany. A few centuries in southern Germany. A few centuries after that, a griffin vulture also died after that, a griffin vulture also died after that, a griffin vulture also died in the same vicinity. And we know almost in the same vicinity. And we know almost in the same vicinity. And we know almost nothing about how these animals met nothing about how these animals met nothing about how these animals met their deaths. But these different their deaths. But these different their deaths. But these different creatures dispersed across both time and creatures dispersed across both time and creatures dispersed across both time and space did share one remarkable fate. space did share one remarkable fate. space did share one remarkable fate. After their deaths, a bone from each of After their deaths, a bone from each of After their deaths, a bone from each of their skeletons was crafted by human their skeletons was crafted by human their skeletons was crafted by human hands into a flute. Think about that for hands into a flute. Think about that for hands into a flute. Think about that for a second. Imagine you're a caveman a second. Imagine you're a caveman a second. Imagine you're a caveman 40,000 years ago. You've mastered fire. 40,000 years ago. You've mastered fire. 40,000 years ago. You've mastered fire. You've built simple tools for hunting. You've built simple tools for hunting. You've built simple tools for hunting. and you've learned how to craft garments and you've learned how to craft garments and you've learned how to craft garments from animal skins to keep yourself warm from animal skins to keep yourself warm from animal skins to keep yourself warm in the winter. What would you choose to in the winter. What would you choose to in the winter. What would you choose to invent next? It seems preposterous that invent next? It seems preposterous that invent next? It seems preposterous that you would invent the flute, a tool that you would invent the flute, a tool that you would invent the flute, a tool that created useless vibrations and air created useless vibrations and air created useless vibrations and air molecules. But that is exactly what our molecules. But that is exactly what our molecules. But that is exactly what our ancestors did. Now, this turns out to be ancestors did. Now, this turns out to be ancestors did. Now, this turns out to be surprisingly common in the history of surprisingly common in the history of surprisingly common in the history of innovation. Sometimes people invent innovation. Sometimes people invent innovation. Sometimes people invent things because they want to stay alive things because they want to stay alive things because they want to stay alive or feed their children or conquer the or feed their children or conquer the or feed their children or conquer the village. next door. But just as often, village. next door. But just as often, village. next door. But just as often, new ideas come into the world simply new ideas come into the world simply new ideas come into the world simply because they're fun. And here's the because they're fun. And here's the because they're fun. And here's the really strange thing. Many of those really strange thing. Many of those really strange thing. Many of those playful but seemingly frivolous playful but seemingly frivolous playful but seemingly frivolous inventions ended up sparking momentous inventions ended up sparking momentous inventions ended up sparking momentous transformations in science, in politics, transformations in science, in politics, transformations in science, in politics, and society. Take what may be the most

and society. Take what may be the most and society. Take what may be the most important invention of modern times, important invention of modern times, important invention of modern times, programmable computers. Now, the the programmable computers. Now, the the programmable computers. Now, the the standard story is that computers descend standard story is that computers descend standard story is that computers descend from military technology since many of from military technology since many of from military technology since many of the early computers were designed the early computers were designed the early computers were designed specifically to crack wartime codes or specifically to crack wartime codes or specifically to crack wartime codes or calculate rocket trajectories. But in calculate rocket trajectories. But in calculate rocket trajectories. But in fact, the origins of the modern computer fact, the origins of the modern computer fact, the origins of the modern computer are much more playful, even musical than are much more playful, even musical than are much more playful, even musical than you might imagine. The idea behind the you might imagine. The idea behind the you might imagine. The idea behind the flute, or just pushing air through tubes flute, or just pushing air through tubes flute, or just pushing air through tubes to make a sound, was eventually modified to make a sound, was eventually modified to make a sound, was eventually modified to create the first organ more than to create the first organ more than to create the first organ more than 2,000 years ago. Someone came up with 2,000 years ago. Someone came up with 2,000 years ago. Someone came up with the brilliant idea of triggering sounds the brilliant idea of triggering sounds the brilliant idea of triggering sounds by pressing small levers with our by pressing small levers with our by pressing small levers with our fingers, inventing the first musical fingers, inventing the first musical fingers, inventing the first musical keyboard. Now, keyboards evolved from keyboard. Now, keyboards evolved from keyboard. Now, keyboards evolved from organs to clavicords to harpsacords to organs to clavicords to harpsacords to organs to clavicords to harpsacords to the piano until the middle of the 19th the piano until the middle of the 19th the piano until the middle of the 19th century when a bunch of inventors century when a bunch of inventors century when a bunch of inventors finally hit on the idea of using a finally hit on the idea of using a finally hit on the idea of using a keyboard to trigger not sounds but keyboard to trigger not sounds but keyboard to trigger not sounds but letters. In fact, the very first letters. In fact, the very first letters. In fact, the very first typewriter was originally called the typewriter was originally called the typewriter was originally called the writing harps accord.

writing harps accord. writing harps accord. Flutes and music led to even more Flutes and music led to even more Flutes and music led to even more powerful breakthroughs. About a thousand powerful breakthroughs. About a thousand powerful breakthroughs. About a thousand years ago, at the height of the Islamic years ago, at the height of the Islamic years ago, at the height of the Islamic Renaissance, three brothers in Baghdad Renaissance, three brothers in Baghdad Renaissance, three brothers in Baghdad designed a device that was an automated designed a device that was an automated designed a device that was an automated organ. They called it the instrument organ. They called it the instrument organ. They called it the instrument that plays itself. that plays itself. that plays itself. Now, the instrument was basically a Now, the instrument was basically a Now, the instrument was basically a giant music box. The organ could be giant music box. The organ could be giant music box. The organ could be trained to play various songs by using trained to play various songs by using trained to play various songs by using instructions encoded by placing pins on instructions encoded by placing pins on instructions encoded by placing pins on a rotating cylinder. And if you wanted a rotating cylinder. And if you wanted a rotating cylinder. And if you wanted the machine to play a different song, the machine to play a different song, the machine to play a different song, you just swapped a new cylinder in with you just swapped a new cylinder in with you just swapped a new cylinder in with a different code on it. a different code on it. a different code on it. This instrument was the first of its This instrument was the first of its This instrument was the first of its kind. It was programmable. Now, kind. It was programmable. Now, kind. It was programmable. Now, conceptually, this was a massive leap conceptually, this was a massive leap conceptually, this was a massive leap forward. The whole idea of hardware and forward. The whole idea of hardware and forward. The whole idea of hardware and software becomes thinkable for the first software becomes thinkable for the first software becomes thinkable for the first time with this invention. And that time with this invention. And that time with this invention. And that incredibly powerful concept didn't come incredibly powerful concept didn't come incredibly powerful concept didn't come to us as an instrument of war or of to us as an instrument of war or of to us as an instrument of war or of conquest or necessity at all. It came conquest or necessity at all. It came conquest or necessity at all. It came from the strange delight of watching a from the strange delight of watching a from the strange delight of watching a machine play music. In fact, the idea of machine play music. In fact, the idea of machine play music. In fact, the idea of programmable machines was exclusively programmable machines was exclusively programmable machines was exclusively kept alive by music for about 700 years.

kept alive by music for about 700 years. kept alive by music for about 700 years. In the 1700s, music-making machines In the 1700s, music-making machines In the 1700s, music-making machines became the play things of the Parisian became the play things of the Parisian became the play things of the Parisian elite. Showman used the same coded elite. Showman used the same coded elite. Showman used the same coded cylinders to control the physical cylinders to control the physical cylinders to control the physical movements of what were called automata, movements of what were called automata, movements of what were called automata, an early kind of robot. One of the most an early kind of robot. One of the most an early kind of robot. One of the most famous of those robots was, you guessed famous of those robots was, you guessed famous of those robots was, you guessed it, an automated flute player designed it, an automated flute player designed it, an automated flute player designed by a brilliant French inventor named by a brilliant French inventor named by a brilliant French inventor named Jacqu Deansson. Jacqu Deansson. Jacqu Deansson. And as Vocans was designing his robot And as Vocans was designing his robot And as Vocans was designing his robot musician, he had another idea. If you musician, he had another idea. If you musician, he had another idea. If you could program a machine to make pleasing could program a machine to make pleasing could program a machine to make pleasing sounds, why not program it to weave sounds, why not program it to weave sounds, why not program it to weave delightful patterns of color out of delightful patterns of color out of delightful patterns of color out of cloth? Instead of using the the pins of cloth? Instead of using the the pins of cloth? Instead of using the the pins of the cylinder to represent musical notes, the cylinder to represent musical notes, the cylinder to represent musical notes, they would represent threads with they would represent threads with they would represent threads with different colors. If you wanted a new different colors. If you wanted a new different colors. If you wanted a new pattern for your fabric, you just pattern for your fabric, you just pattern for your fabric, you just programmed a new cylinder. This was the programmed a new cylinder. This was the programmed a new cylinder. This was the first programmable loom. Now, the first programmable loom. Now, the first programmable loom. Now, the cylinders were too expensive and cylinders were too expensive and cylinders were too expensive and timeconuming to make. But a half century timeconuming to make. But a half century timeconuming to make. But a half century later, another French inventor named later, another French inventor named later, another French inventor named Jakard hit upon the brilliant idea of Jakard hit upon the brilliant idea of Jakard hit upon the brilliant idea of using paper punched cards instead of using paper punched cards instead of using paper punched cards instead of metal cylinders. Paper turned out to be metal cylinders. Paper turned out to be metal cylinders. Paper turned out to be much cheaper and more flexible as a way much cheaper and more flexible as a way much cheaper and more flexible as a way of programming the device. That punch of programming the device. That punch of programming the device. That punch card system inspired Victorian inventor card system inspired Victorian inventor card system inspired Victorian inventor Charles Babage to create his analytical Charles Babage to create his analytical Charles Babage to create his analytical engine, the first true programmable engine, the first true programmable engine, the first true programmable computer ever designed. and punch guards computer ever designed. and punch guards computer ever designed. and punch guards were used by computer programmers as were used by computer programmers as were used by computer programmers as late as the 1970s.

late as the 1970s. late as the 1970s. So ask yourself this question, what So ask yourself this question, what So ask yourself this question, what really made the modern computer really made the modern computer really made the modern computer possible? Yes, the military involvement possible? Yes, the military involvement possible? Yes, the military involvement is an important part of the story. But is an important part of the story. But is an important part of the story. But inventing a computer also required other inventing a computer also required other inventing a computer also required other building blocks. Music boxes, toy robot building blocks. Music boxes, toy robot building blocks. Music boxes, toy robot flute players, harpsacord keyboards, flute players, harpsacord keyboards, flute players, harpsacord keyboards, colorful patterns woven into fabric. And colorful patterns woven into fabric. And colorful patterns woven into fabric. And that's just a small part of the story. that's just a small part of the story. that's just a small part of the story. There's a long list of worldchanging There's a long list of worldchanging There's a long list of worldchanging ideas and technologies that came out of ideas and technologies that came out of ideas and technologies that came out of play. Public museums, rubber, play. Public museums, rubber, play. Public museums, rubber, probability theory, the insurance probability theory, the insurance probability theory, the insurance business, and many more. Necessity isn't business, and many more. Necessity isn't business, and many more. Necessity isn't always the mother of invention. always the mother of invention. always the mother of invention. The playful state of mind is The playful state of mind is The playful state of mind is fundamentally exploratory, seeking out fundamentally exploratory, seeking out fundamentally exploratory, seeking out new possibilities in the world around new possibilities in the world around new possibilities in the world around us. And that seeking is why so many us. And that seeking is why so many us. And that seeking is why so many experiences that started with simple experiences that started with simple experiences that started with simple delight and amusement eventually led us delight and amusement eventually led us delight and amusement eventually led us to profound breakthroughs. to profound breakthroughs. to profound breakthroughs. Now I I think this has implications for Now I I think this has implications for Now I I think this has implications for how we teach kids in school and how we how we teach kids in school and how we how we teach kids in school and how we encourage innovation in our workspaces.

encourage innovation in our workspaces. encourage innovation in our workspaces. But thinking about play and delight this But thinking about play and delight this But thinking about play and delight this way also helps us detect what's coming way also helps us detect what's coming way also helps us detect what's coming next. Think about it. If you were next. Think about it. If you were next. Think about it. If you were sitting there in 1750 trying to figure sitting there in 1750 trying to figure sitting there in 1750 trying to figure out the big changes coming to society in out the big changes coming to society in out the big changes coming to society in the 19th and 20th centuries, automated the 19th and 20th centuries, automated the 19th and 20th centuries, automated machines, computers, artificial machines, computers, artificial machines, computers, artificial intelligence, a programmable flute intelligence, a programmable flute intelligence, a programmable flute entertaining the Parisian elite would entertaining the Parisian elite would entertaining the Parisian elite would have been as powerful a clue as anything have been as powerful a clue as anything have been as powerful a clue as anything else at the time. It seemed like an else at the time. It seemed like an else at the time. It seemed like an amusement at best, not useful in any amusement at best, not useful in any amusement at best, not useful in any serious way, but it turned out to be the serious way, but it turned out to be the serious way, but it turned out to be the beginning of a tech revolution that beginning of a tech revolution that beginning of a tech revolution that would change the world. You'll find the would change the world. You'll find the would change the world. You'll find the future wherever people are having the future wherever people are having the future wherever people are having the most fun. most fun. most fun. Hi, if you're just joining us, I'm Alex. Hi, if you're just joining us, I'm Alex. Hi, if you're just joining us, I'm Alex. I'm the creative director of TED Games, I'm the creative director of TED Games, I'm the creative director of TED Games, and I'm about to play some of those with and I'm about to play some of those with and I'm about to play some of those with a very special guest. Emily uh creates a very special guest. Emily uh creates a very special guest. Emily uh creates LEGO content as Emma across social LEGO content as Emma across social LEGO content as Emma across social media. She's been a LEGO fan since 2017 media. She's been a LEGO fan since 2017 media. She's been a LEGO fan since 2017 and with over three million followers, and with over three million followers, and with over three million followers, she loves sharing her Lego builds and she loves sharing her Lego builds and she loves sharing her Lego builds and Lego City with other Lego fans around Lego City with other Lego fans around Lego City with other Lego fans around the world.

>> Emily, welcome. >> Emily, welcome. >> Hello, Alex. Thank you so much for >> Hello, Alex. Thank you so much for >> Hello, Alex. Thank you so much for having me. I am very happy to be here. having me. I am very happy to be here. having me. I am very happy to be here. >> I'm so excited that you're here and um >> I'm so excited that you're here and um >> I'm so excited that you're here and um I'm so excited to play with Lego bricks I'm so excited to play with Lego bricks I'm so excited to play with Lego bricks with somebody who knows their way around with somebody who knows their way around with somebody who knows their way around them them them >> a little bit. We'll see. >> a little bit. We'll see. >> a little bit. We'll see. >> So, we're going to chat, but I I also >> So, we're going to chat, but I I also >> So, we're going to chat, but I I also thought we'd play a game while we chat. thought we'd play a game while we chat. thought we'd play a game while we chat. All right. All right. All right. >> Um we call this Brictionary. It's Lego >> Um we call this Brictionary. It's Lego >> Um we call this Brictionary. It's Lego brick pictionary. Yes. brick pictionary. Yes. brick pictionary. Yes. >> So, um we're going to draw words out of >> So, um we're going to draw words out of >> So, um we're going to draw words out of this hat. this hat. this hat. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Please go ahead. >> Please go ahead. >> Please go ahead. >> I can go first. >> I can go first. >> I can go first. >> Yes, please. We're going to both go >> Yes, please. We're going to both go >> Yes, please. We're going to both go simultaneously. Don't show it to me. Um simultaneously. Don't show it to me. Um simultaneously. Don't show it to me. Um and then we're just going to build while and then we're just going to build while and then we're just going to build while we chat. So, I hope you like we chat. So, I hope you like we chat. So, I hope you like multitasking. I think so. I'll try. multitasking. I think so. I'll try. multitasking. I think so. I'll try. >> Oh, yes. I know. I think I know how to >> Oh, yes. I know. I think I know how to >> Oh, yes. I know. I think I know how to build this. Um, build this. Um, build this. Um, >> okay. Well, so first of all, while we're >> okay. Well, so first of all, while we're >> okay. Well, so first of all, while we're doing this, so your your content, you doing this, so your your content, you doing this, so your your content, you build a lot of kits on your videos. How build a lot of kits on your videos. How build a lot of kits on your videos. How often do you just have a big pile of often do you just have a big pile of often do you just have a big pile of Lego bricks to play with and build Lego bricks to play with and build Lego bricks to play with and build something out of it something out of it something out of it >> semi-regularly? >> semi-regularly? >> semi-regularly? I do love having my Lego bricks sorted. I do love having my Lego bricks sorted. I do love having my Lego bricks sorted. I am very meticulous with my collection. I am very meticulous with my collection. I am very meticulous with my collection. I have multiple different drawers and I have multiple different drawers and I have multiple different drawers and each little drawer inside these big each little drawer inside these big each little drawer inside these big furniture things. Um, and they're all furniture things. Um, and they're all furniture things. Um, and they're all sorted out and so it's it actually makes sorted out and so it's it actually makes sorted out and so it's it actually makes it really easy and kind of fun. Um, it it really easy and kind of fun. Um, it it really easy and kind of fun. Um, it is a mess trying to put things back, but is a mess trying to put things back, but is a mess trying to put things back, but it's very nice having it kind of ready it's very nice having it kind of ready it's very nice having it kind of ready to go whenever I want to get creative.

to go whenever I want to get creative. to go whenever I want to get creative. >> So, you you so you'll actually like >> So, you you so you'll actually like >> So, you you so you'll actually like figure out what you want to make and figure out what you want to make and figure out what you want to make and then go to your drawer and get like the then go to your drawer and get like the then go to your drawer and get like the red brick that you have. Do you have red brick that you have. Do you have red brick that you have. Do you have them sorted by like shape and color? them sorted by like shape and color? them sorted by like shape and color? >> A little bit. Sometimes it's it depends >> A little bit. Sometimes it's it depends >> A little bit. Sometimes it's it depends how many of the piece I have. If I have how many of the piece I have. If I have how many of the piece I have. If I have a lot of one piece, then I'll probably a lot of one piece, then I'll probably a lot of one piece, then I'll probably do it by color as well as piece type. do it by color as well as piece type. do it by color as well as piece type. But it really just it kind of depends. But it really just it kind of depends. But it really just it kind of depends. Kind of depends. Kind of depends. Kind of depends. >> Is Is there like a recognized Lego brick >> Is Is there like a recognized Lego brick >> Is Is there like a recognized Lego brick filing system? filing system? filing system? >> No, unfortunately not. That would make >> No, unfortunately not. That would make >> No, unfortunately not. That would make our lives a little bit easier in trying our lives a little bit easier in trying our lives a little bit easier in trying to um organize everything. But it is fun to um organize everything. But it is fun to um organize everything. But it is fun kind of like having bricks together and kind of like having bricks together and kind of like having bricks together and trying to build something. I'll have trying to build something. I'll have trying to build something. I'll have like official sets in my Lego city and I like official sets in my Lego city and I like official sets in my Lego city and I will try to build things around the will try to build things around the will try to build things around the official sets to make it look like a official sets to make it look like a official sets to make it look like a city instead of multiple different sets city instead of multiple different sets city instead of multiple different sets connected. And so it'll be like a connected. And so it'll be like a connected. And so it'll be like a roadway or an ocean in front of little roadway or an ocean in front of little roadway or an ocean in front of little different beach sets that are kind of different beach sets that are kind of different beach sets that are kind of set on the sand. Um trees. I love set on the sand. Um trees. I love set on the sand. Um trees. I love building trees. Trees. building trees. Trees. building trees. Trees. >> Yeah. There's a lot of different like >> Yeah. There's a lot of different like >> Yeah. There's a lot of different like fun nature things that we love building fun nature things that we love building fun nature things that we love building in the city. in the city. in the city. >> When you make a tree, is it is it like >> When you make a tree, is it is it like >> When you make a tree, is it is it like this or do you like this or do you like this or do you like >> It's like a a tree.

>> It's like a a tree. >> It's like a a tree. >> Oh, it's like Yeah, we build a tree. >> Oh, it's like Yeah, we build a tree. >> Oh, it's like Yeah, we build a tree. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah. >> Um, okay. I'm ready for you to guess my >> Um, okay. I'm ready for you to guess my >> Um, okay. I'm ready for you to guess my first one. I'm going to put it up here first one. I'm going to put it up here first one. I'm going to put it up here so that the audience at home can see it so that the audience at home can see it so that the audience at home can see it and guess. and guess. and guess. >> Um, I think it's a boat. >> Um, I think it's a boat. >> Um, I think it's a boat. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> a helicopter. >> a helicopter. >> a helicopter. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Sound effects are allowed. Okay. >> Yeah. Sound effects are allowed. Okay. >> Yeah. Sound effects are allowed. Okay. Yeah. I'll leave it up there. Yeah. I'll leave it up there. Yeah. I'll leave it up there. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'm going to draw a new one out. >> Okay. I'm going to draw a new one out. >> Okay. I'm going to draw a new one out. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> I'm going to keep going. Um, okay. So, >> I'm going to keep going. Um, okay. So, >> I'm going to keep going. Um, okay. So, tell me what play looks like in your tell me what play looks like in your tell me what play looks like in your life. life. life. >> Gosh, there's a lot of different ways >> Gosh, there's a lot of different ways >> Gosh, there's a lot of different ways that I I love to play. A lot of it's that I I love to play. A lot of it's that I I love to play. A lot of it's through with Lego bricks and sets. Um, I through with Lego bricks and sets. Um, I through with Lego bricks and sets. Um, I love getting creative with it, but it's love getting creative with it, but it's love getting creative with it, but it's also fun to It's kind of playful to kind also fun to It's kind of playful to kind also fun to It's kind of playful to kind of just like get imaginative with of just like get imaginative with of just like get imaginative with stories. Like in my Lego city, I love stories. Like in my Lego city, I love stories. Like in my Lego city, I love doing like search and finds, like doing like search and finds, like doing like search and finds, like finding different like silly things and finding different like silly things and finding different like silly things and like thinking about new weird scenarios like thinking about new weird scenarios like thinking about new weird scenarios that I could include there. Like um that I could include there. Like um that I could include there. Like um having a dog park, but then having like having a dog park, but then having like having a dog park, but then having like some, you know, maybe different animals some, you know, maybe different animals some, you know, maybe different animals there. Like how would they interact? there. Like how would they interact? there. Like how would they interact? like how would different animals like how would different animals like how would different animals interact at a dog park? Um having I interact at a dog park? Um having I interact at a dog park? Um having I don't know weird relationships on the on don't know weird relationships on the on don't know weird relationships on the on the city streets with like robbers or the city streets with like robbers or the city streets with like robbers or cops, but then also like superheroes cops, but then also like superheroes cops, but then also like superheroes kind of intervening. And so I don't kind of intervening. And so I don't kind of intervening. And so I don't know, there's a lot of different ways know, there's a lot of different ways know, there's a lot of different ways through that. It's also been really fun through that. It's also been really fun through that. It's also been really fun kind of exploring play in a new way with kind of exploring play in a new way with kind of exploring play in a new way with my daughter. She's 10 months old and my daughter. She's 10 months old and my daughter. She's 10 months old and it's been kind of cool seeing play it's been kind of cool seeing play it's been kind of cool seeing play through her eyes. She's still very through her eyes. She's still very through her eyes. She's still very little, but I can kind of see the play little, but I can kind of see the play little, but I can kind of see the play starting to happen. And that's been just starting to happen. And that's been just starting to happen. And that's been just incredible. I'll give her like a Duplo incredible. I'll give her like a Duplo incredible. I'll give her like a Duplo brick to hold and that's about all she's

brick to hold and that's about all she's brick to hold and that's about all she's doing with it right now. But hopefully doing with it right now. But hopefully doing with it right now. But hopefully later get her started early. later get her started early. later get her started early. >> Yeah. Hopefully she'll be doing more >> Yeah. Hopefully she'll be doing more >> Yeah. Hopefully she'll be doing more with it eventually. with it eventually. with it eventually. >> I got a really lucky draw. >> I got a really lucky draw. >> I got a really lucky draw. Are you ready for yours? Are you ready for yours? Are you ready for yours? >> Um I'm I'm I'm doing my best with it. >> Um I'm I'm I'm doing my best with it. >> Um I'm I'm I'm doing my best with it. You go first. You go first. You go first. >> Okay. Uh yeah, this is um a little >> Okay. Uh yeah, this is um a little >> Okay. Uh yeah, this is um a little >> Are they sunglasses? >> Are they sunglasses? >> Are they sunglasses? >> Not Not even >> Not Not even >> Not Not even >> glasses. Just glasses. I can't believe I >> glasses. Just glasses. I can't believe I >> glasses. Just glasses. I can't believe I drew that after. drew that after. drew that after. >> Okay. Um >> Okay. Um >> Okay. Um >> not planned. >> not planned. >> not planned. >> Okay. Here's mine. I'm going to try to >> Okay. Here's mine. I'm going to try to >> Okay. Here's mine. I'm going to try to do it most with sound effects. Forgive do it most with sound effects. Forgive do it most with sound effects. Forgive my build skills. my build skills. my build skills. >> Yeah. And just put it up here and then >> Yeah. And just put it up here and then >> Yeah. And just put it up here and then we can get a close-up shot as you do we can get a close-up shot as you do we can get a close-up shot as you do your sound effects. your sound effects. your sound effects. >> Oh, it's definitely a shark. >> Oh, it's definitely a shark. >> Oh, it's definitely a shark. >> Yeah, right. It's a very good shark. >> Yeah, right. It's a very good shark. >> Yeah, right. It's a very good shark. >> I think the top of one >> I think the top of one >> I think the top of one >> It's the top. >> It's the top. >> It's the top. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> something like a shark. >> something like a shark. >> something like a shark. >> Instantly recognizable >> Instantly recognizable >> Instantly recognizable >> um my next one's really hard. So, >> um my next one's really hard. So, >> um my next one's really hard. So, >> let me grab another one. >> let me grab another one. >> let me grab another one. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, please. Oh, I've been >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, please. Oh, I've been >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, please. Oh, I've been hogging the hat. hogging the hat. hogging the hat. >> Oh, you're good. You're good. Okay, >> Oh, you're good. You're good. Okay, >> Oh, you're good. You're good. Okay, let's see. Um, let's see. Um, let's see. Um, okay. So, if LEGO came to you tomorrow okay. So, if LEGO came to you tomorrow okay. So, if LEGO came to you tomorrow and said, "Design a kit," what would you and said, "Design a kit," what would you and said, "Design a kit," what would you what would you do?

>> I am a very big Scooby fan. Um, I love >> I am a very big Scooby fan. Um, I love Scooby-Doo. So, like something related Scooby-Doo. So, like something related Scooby-Doo. So, like something related to that would be very fun. Um, I think to that would be very fun. Um, I think to that would be very fun. Um, I think like like like I don't know. I love movement in Lego I don't know. I love movement in Lego I don't know. I love movement in Lego sets. like all of the different arcade sets. like all of the different arcade sets. like all of the different arcade um I don't know like carnival rides like um I don't know like carnival rides like um I don't know like carnival rides like roller coasters and like they did like a roller coasters and like they did like a roller coasters and like they did like a ferris wheel, a merrygoround. Um so ferris wheel, a merrygoround. Um so ferris wheel, a merrygoround. Um so maybe like something new like that could maybe like something new like that could maybe like something new like that could be kind of cool. Maybe like another be kind of cool. Maybe like another be kind of cool. Maybe like another roller coaster. roller coaster. roller coaster. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Have they done a full-on roller? >> Have they done a full-on roller? >> Have they done a full-on roller? >> They've done two big ones in the past >> They've done two big ones in the past >> They've done two big ones in the past and those were really cool. Um maybe and those were really cool. Um maybe and those were really cool. Um maybe like a new merrygoround. Those are like a new merrygoround. Those are like a new merrygoround. Those are always themed really fun. always themed really fun. always themed really fun. >> I don't know. There's a lot that they >> I don't know. There's a lot that they >> I don't know. There's a lot that they could do. Yeah. You have a lot of could do. Yeah. You have a lot of could do. Yeah. You have a lot of merrygorounds in your in your future. merrygorounds in your in your future. merrygorounds in your in your future. >> I I hope so. >> I I hope so. >> I I hope so. >> My my daughter's five. It took her a >> My my daughter's five. It took her a >> My my daughter's five. It took her a little while to like get over the It's little while to like get over the It's little while to like get over the It's like a little scary at first. like a little scary at first. like a little scary at first. >> A little bit. >> A little bit. >> A little bit. >> Um but uh but now she's super into it >> Um but uh but now she's super into it >> Um but uh but now she's super into it and then we can't do a we can't not do and then we can't do a we can't not do and then we can't do a we can't not do the merry ground. We see it. the merry ground. We see it. the merry ground. We see it. >> Um Okay. So my my next build is a little >> Um Okay. So my my next build is a little >> Um Okay. So my my next build is a little impossible. Um impossible. Um impossible. Um >> mine feels impossible a little bit too.

>> mine feels impossible a little bit too. >> mine feels impossible a little bit too. >> Do you like do you put Okay. Do you play >> Do you like do you put Okay. Do you play >> Do you like do you put Okay. Do you play Lego outside of your channel? Lego outside of your channel? Lego outside of your channel? >> I do sometimes. So, me and my husband >> I do sometimes. So, me and my husband >> I do sometimes. So, me and my husband will take Lego sets and do like a date will take Lego sets and do like a date will take Lego sets and do like a date night in kind of thing and we'll build a night in kind of thing and we'll build a night in kind of thing and we'll build a Lego set together and that's really fun. Lego set together and that's really fun. Lego set together and that's really fun. Um, we'll like maybe put on a movie Um, we'll like maybe put on a movie Um, we'll like maybe put on a movie related to something we're watching. Um, related to something we're watching. Um, related to something we're watching. Um, you know, there's like so many different you know, there's like so many different you know, there's like so many different fun like IPs within LEGO. So, like if fun like IPs within LEGO. So, like if fun like IPs within LEGO. So, like if we're building a Toy Story set, we might we're building a Toy Story set, we might we're building a Toy Story set, we might put on Toy Story. Um, and so that's put on Toy Story. Um, and so that's put on Toy Story. Um, and so that's really fun. I usually do have a camera really fun. I usually do have a camera really fun. I usually do have a camera going, but it is like it is nice to to going, but it is like it is nice to to going, but it is like it is nice to to step away from the social media side of step away from the social media side of step away from the social media side of Lego building and just go back to the Lego building and just go back to the Lego building and just go back to the roots of like just like building for roots of like just like building for roots of like just like building for fun. It's always fun, but it's nice to fun. It's always fun, but it's nice to fun. It's always fun, but it's nice to just I don't know, relax and talk and just I don't know, relax and talk and just I don't know, relax and talk and Yeah. Just play. Yeah. Just play. Yeah. Just play. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. Um >> Yeah. Exactly. Um >> Yeah. Exactly. Um >> this is so bad. But um Okay. >> this is so bad. But um Okay. >> this is so bad. But um Okay. >> A robot. >> A robot. >> A robot. >> Was it actually? >> Was it actually? >> Was it actually? >> Yeah. That's I didn't cheat. I didn't >> Yeah. That's I didn't cheat. I didn't >> Yeah. That's I didn't cheat. I didn't cheat cheat cheat >> because because uh if you look at this I >> because because uh if you look at this I >> because because uh if you look at this I I don't I mean maybe I don't I mean maybe I don't I mean maybe >> Oh, okay. It actually like when I see it >> Oh, okay. It actually like when I see it >> Oh, okay. It actually like when I see it on camera, it looks more like a robot on camera, it looks more like a robot on camera, it looks more like a robot than I than I than I >> Oh, a little bit. I mean, yeah. I mean, >> Oh, a little bit. I mean, yeah. I mean, >> Oh, a little bit. I mean, yeah. I mean, it obviously looks like a robot. I it obviously looks like a robot. I it obviously looks like a robot. I guessed it first try. I don't know. I guessed it first try. I don't know. I guessed it first try. I don't know. I think that's excellent.

think that's excellent. think that's excellent. >> Maybe I should have a little more >> Maybe I should have a little more >> Maybe I should have a little more confidence in my building skills. confidence in my building skills. confidence in my building skills. >> Here's I kind of have two. Um here's the >> Here's I kind of have two. Um here's the >> Here's I kind of have two. Um here's the first one in case you first one in case you first one in case you >> Okay. Chapo. No bow. Bow. Uh, no. Um, >> Okay. Chapo. No bow. Bow. Uh, no. Um, >> Okay. Chapo. No bow. Bow. Uh, no. Um, maybe if I put it this way and I'm maybe if I put it this way and I'm maybe if I put it this way and I'm >> crown. >> crown. >> crown. >> Yeah, a crown. >> Yeah, a crown. >> Yeah, a crown. >> Crown. Very nice. >> Crown. Very nice. >> Crown. Very nice. >> And then this person has one, but I feel >> And then this person has one, but I feel >> And then this person has one, but I feel like that was like that was like that was >> No, no, I appreciate it that you >> No, no, I appreciate it that you >> No, no, I appreciate it that you actually took the hard route as opposed actually took the hard route as opposed actually took the hard route as opposed to when I just did glasses, to when I just did glasses, to when I just did glasses, >> had glasses. Um, should we play some >> had glasses. Um, should we play some >> had glasses. Um, should we play some more games? more games? more games? >> I would love that. >> I would love that. >> I would love that. >> Okay, amazing. Um, I asked you ahead of >> Okay, amazing. Um, I asked you ahead of >> Okay, amazing. Um, I asked you ahead of time what kind of games you like, and I time what kind of games you like, and I time what kind of games you like, and I was really excited when you said was really excited when you said was really excited when you said spelling because we have a spelling spelling because we have a spelling spelling because we have a spelling game, and I'm not going to put you on game, and I'm not going to put you on game, and I'm not going to put you on the spot. the spot. the spot. >> Okay. Um, I thought we would do it >> Okay. Um, I thought we would do it >> Okay. Um, I thought we would do it together if that's cool. Maybe we could together if that's cool. Maybe we could together if that's cool. Maybe we could take turns on words. So, this is our take turns on words. So, this is our take turns on words. So, this is our spelling game. It's called Spell Check. spelling game. It's called Spell Check. spelling game. It's called Spell Check. Um, it was originally made by a creator Um, it was originally made by a creator Um, it was originally made by a creator channel called Answer in Progress as channel called Answer in Progress as channel called Answer in Progress as like sort of a um exploration of how like sort of a um exploration of how like sort of a um exploration of how weird the English language is weird the English language is weird the English language is >> and they made a game that we really >> and they made a game that we really >> and they made a game that we really loved and then we expanded on it. So, it loved and then we expanded on it. So, it loved and then we expanded on it. So, it starts off with standard spelling. Um, starts off with standard spelling. Um, starts off with standard spelling. Um, >> so you'll you'll hear a word and we have >> so you'll you'll hear a word and we have >> so you'll you'll hear a word and we have to spell it.

to spell it. to spell it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Do you want to take the first >> Okay. Do you want to take the first >> Okay. Do you want to take the first turn? turn? turn? >> Yeah. But we can >> Yeah. But we can >> Yeah. But we can >> indehaticable. >> indehaticable. >> indehaticable. >> Indeathicable. Yeah. >> Indeathicable. Yeah. >> Indeathicable. Yeah. >> I >> I >> I >> Well, you get to >> Well, you get to >> Well, you get to >> Oh, I get to type it. Oh, I was like >> Oh, I get to type it. Oh, I was like >> Oh, I get to type it. Oh, I was like spelling B mode. spelling B mode. spelling B mode. >> You can You can do that. >> Indeadable. >> Indeadable. >> You want to go for it? >> You want to go for it? >> You want to go for it? >> Yeah. Yeah. How do I do it? >> Yeah. Yeah. How do I do it? >> Yeah. Yeah. How do I do it? >> New book. >> New book. >> New book. >> Okay. We It was close. We got orange >> Okay. We It was close. We got orange >> Okay. We It was close. We got orange >> the G. Newuck. That's my turn. >> the G. Newuck. That's my turn. >> the G. Newuck. That's my turn. >> New. >> New. >> New. >> Okay. I got to hear the meaning. >> Okay. I got to hear the meaning. >> Okay. I got to hear the meaning. >> Soft leather with a rubbed suedelike >> Soft leather with a rubbed suedelike >> Soft leather with a rubbed suedelike outer surface. outer surface. outer surface. >> I've never heard you know this word. >> I've never heard you know this word. >> I've never heard you know this word. >> I don't know this word. No. I'm going to >> I don't know this word. No. I'm going to >> I don't know this word. No. I'm going to go like sort of fun spelling. go like sort of fun spelling. go like sort of fun spelling. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> New book. >> New book. >> New book. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> I can't believe that was right. >> I can't believe that was right. >> I can't believe that was right. >> That was actually incredible. I kudos. >> That was actually incredible. I kudos. >> That was actually incredible. I kudos. That was great. That was great. That was great. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> Promulgate. >> To officially or publicly spread, >> To officially or publicly spread, >> To officially or publicly spread, announce or put forward an idea or rule. announce or put forward an idea or rule. announce or put forward an idea or rule. >> You know, promulgate. >> You know, promulgate. >> You know, promulgate. >> Yeah. Promulgate. >> Yeah. Promulgate. >> Yeah. Promulgate. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Opponency. >> Opponency. >> Opponency. >> Okay. Opponenty. >> Okay. Opponenty. >> Okay. Opponenty. >> Opponent. >> Opponent. >> Opponent. >> Okay. What does that mean?

>> Okay. What does that mean? >> Okay. What does that mean? >> We started with a really hard round. >> We started with a really hard round. >> We started with a really hard round. Oppon I know. Good question. opposition, Oppon I know. Good question. opposition, Oppon I know. Good question. opposition, resistance, or the state of being resistance, or the state of being resistance, or the state of being against something. against something. against something. >> I feel like I have a guess. >> I feel like I have a guess. >> I feel like I have a guess. >> NC E. You think it's an E or an A? >> NC E. You think it's an E or an A? >> NC E. You think it's an E or an A? >> Does that look right? >> Does that look right? >> Does that look right? >> Like opponent. >> Like opponent. >> Like opponent. >> Yeah, opponent. Yeah. >> Yeah, opponent. Yeah. >> Yeah, opponent. Yeah. >> All right, >> All right, >> All right, >> man. Yours are easier. >> man. Yours are easier. >> man. Yours are easier. >> Civet. >> Civet. >> Civet. >> Civet. >> Civet. >> Civet. >> Civet. A small cat-like mammal or the >> Civet. A small cat-like mammal or the >> Civet. A small cat-like mammal or the musky perfume substance it produces. musky perfume substance it produces. musky perfume substance it produces. >> They're the ones with the coffee. >> They're the ones with the coffee. >> They're the ones with the coffee. >> Civet. S or Civ C. You think so? >> Civet. S or Civ C. You think so? >> Civet. S or Civ C. You think so? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think it's a B. >> I think it's a B. >> I think it's a B. >> C. >> C. >> C. Civet. Civet. Civet. >> Civet. Okay, >> Civet. Okay, >> Civet. Okay, >> let's go for it. >> let's go for it. >> let's go for it. >> Okay, it was close. It just one letter >> Okay, it was close. It just one letter >> Okay, it was close. It just one letter out. Okay. All right. Next round. out. Okay. All right. Next round. out. Okay. All right. Next round. >> Um Okay, this is Okay, so this round >> Um Okay, this is Okay, so this round >> Um Okay, this is Okay, so this round we're going to hear the definition and we're going to hear the definition and we're going to hear the definition and we both have to guess the word and spell we both have to guess the word and spell we both have to guess the word and spell it. And the earlier that we buzz in, the it. And the earlier that we buzz in, the it. And the earlier that we buzz in, the more points we get. more points we get. more points we get. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you want first turn? >> So, you want first turn? >> So, you want first turn? >> I'll let you have first. >> I'll let you have first. >> I'll let you have first. >> Okay, I'll take Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What >> Okay, I'll take Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What >> Okay, I'll take Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What if it's like if it's like if it's like >> spoon? >> spoon? >> spoon? >> The study of human movement and physical >> The study of human movement and physical >> The study of human movement and physical activity. It examines how movement activity. It examines how movement activity. It examines how movement relates to health.

relates to health. relates to health. >> Can I buzz in? >> Can I buzz in? >> Can I buzz in? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Geography. >> Geography. >> Geography. >> Well, it's uh >> Well, it's uh >> Well, it's uh >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Maybe >> Maybe >> Maybe >> at a high level. >> at a high level. >> at a high level. >> Yeah, definitely at a high level. >> Yeah, definitely at a high level. >> Yeah, definitely at a high level. >> Let's see. >> Let's see. >> Let's see. >> Do I just enter? >> Do I just enter? >> Do I just enter? >> Ah, kinesthesiology. >> Ah, kinesthesiology. >> Ah, kinesthesiology. >> Man, I was thinking like movement. >> Man, I was thinking like movement. >> Man, I was thinking like movement. >> No. No. Yeah, like like migration. Yeah. >> No. No. Yeah, like like migration. Yeah. >> No. No. Yeah, like like migration. Yeah. Yeah. I like your answer, too. Uh, okay. Yeah. I like your answer, too. Uh, okay. Yeah. I like your answer, too. Uh, okay. Okay. You want So, now it could be Okay. You want So, now it could be Okay. You want So, now it could be officially your turn. officially your turn. officially your turn. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry, I stole your >> Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry, I stole your >> Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry, I stole your turn. turn. turn. >> Oh, no. It's totally fine. a system of >> Oh, no. It's totally fine. a system of >> Oh, no. It's totally fine. a system of administration carried out by non-eleed administration carried out by non-eleed administration carried out by non-eleed officials working within a structured officials working within a structured officials working within a structured hierarchy. hierarchy. hierarchy. >> Okay, I think I know what um and it's I >> Okay, I think I know what um and it's I >> Okay, I think I know what um and it's I think it's bureaucracy. think it's bureaucracy. think it's bureaucracy. >> Oh, yeah. No, that can sound right. >> Oh, yeah. No, that can sound right. >> Oh, yeah. No, that can sound right. >> It's it's a it's a doozy, but I think I >> It's it's a it's a doozy, but I think I >> It's it's a it's a doozy, but I think I know how to spell it. Bureau know how to spell it. Bureau know how to spell it. Bureau bure maybe that is that o extraneous bure maybe that is that o extraneous bure maybe that is that o extraneous bureau. Is there no there or not? No, I bureau. Is there no there or not? No, I bureau. Is there no there or not? No, I think there's not. think there's not. think there's not. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, nice. the release or purging of strong the release or purging of strong the release or purging of strong emotion, especially through art. emotion, especially through art. emotion, especially through art. >> It can also mean any emotional clearing >> It can also mean any emotional clearing >> It can also mean any emotional clearing or renewal that brings relief from or renewal that brings relief from or renewal that brings relief from tension. tension. tension. >> Uh what's the word? It's like it's like >> Uh what's the word? It's like it's like >> Uh what's the word? It's like it's like um at the end of a a play um at the end of a a play um at the end of a a play >> and you're like, >> "Okay, let's just spell anything."

>> "Okay, let's just spell anything." >> Anything? >> Anything? >> Anything? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. We could spell duma. It's not the >> Okay. We could spell duma. It's not the >> Okay. We could spell duma. It's not the duma. That's probably harder to spell duma. That's probably harder to spell duma. That's probably harder to spell than than than >> That might be harder to spell. >> That might be harder to spell. >> That might be harder to spell. >> Uh, catharsis. It's catharsis. >> Uh, catharsis. It's catharsis. >> Uh, catharsis. It's catharsis. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'll let you turn. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'll let you turn. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'll let you turn. >> Yeah, I think I can do it. >> Yeah, I think I can do it. >> Yeah, I think I can do it. >> Does that look right? >> Does that look right? >> Does that look right? >> Yeah, that looks spot on. >> Yeah, that looks spot on. >> Yeah, that looks spot on. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, I got you spelled one right. >> Okay, I got you spelled one right. >> Okay, I got you spelled one right. >> Yeah. Yeah, that was beautiful. >> Yeah. Yeah, that was beautiful. >> Yeah. Yeah, that was beautiful. >> Very cathartic. >> Very cathartic. >> Very cathartic. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. In this round, >> Okay. In this round, >> Okay. In this round, >> we've taken a excerpt from a TED talk >> we've taken a excerpt from a TED talk >> we've taken a excerpt from a TED talk and there's a missing word and we have and there's a missing word and we have and there's a missing word and we have to spell that word. to spell that word. to spell that word. >> Okay. For the last 20 years, I've been For the last 20 years, I've been teaching about behavioral endocrinology. teaching about behavioral endocrinology. teaching about behavioral endocrinology. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> No problem. Endocrinology. >> No problem. Endocrinology. >> No problem. Endocrinology. >> Yeah. >> I think you nailed it. >> I think you nailed it. >> Yeah, I think so. Right. >> Yeah, I think so. Right. >> Yeah, I think so. Right. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> That round you can have three chances >> That round you can have three chances >> That round you can have three chances and three tries and we didn't even need and three tries and we didn't even need and three tries and we didn't even need them. them. them. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, nice. >> Um Okay, last round. So, this is a >> Um Okay, last round. So, this is a >> Um Okay, last round. So, this is a really hard word. really hard word. really hard word. >> Okay. Um, but we can take clues like we >> Okay. Um, but we can take clues like we >> Okay. Um, but we can take clues like we can see how long it is. can see how long it is. can see how long it is. >> Crustaceiology. >> Crustaceiology. >> Crustaceiology. >> Crustaceiology. Of course. >> Crustaceiology. Of course. >> Crustaceiology. Of course. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I'm guessing the the study of >> I'm guessing the the study of >> I'm guessing the the study of crustaceians.

crustaceians. crustaceians. >> I I would think so. >> I I would think so. >> I I would think so. >> Should we see if that's the scientific >> Should we see if that's the scientific >> Should we see if that's the scientific study of crustaceian? study of crustaceian? study of crustaceian? >> Okay. Sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes >> Okay. Sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes >> Okay. Sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes it's like something totally different. it's like something totally different. it's like something totally different. >> Yeah. I know you have a science you have >> Yeah. I know you have a science you have >> Yeah. I know you have a science you have a science background. a science background. a science background. >> I do. I do. I did not study crations. >> I do. I do. I did not study crations. >> I do. I do. I did not study crations. >> You weren't a crustaceiologist. >> You weren't a crustaceiologist. >> You weren't a crustaceiologist. >> I was not a crustace. >> I was not a crustace. >> I was not a crustace. >> Did you consider it briefly? >> Did you consider it briefly? >> Did you consider it briefly? >> Possibly. >> Possibly. >> Possibly. >> Do you know that uh everything keeps >> Do you know that uh everything keeps >> Do you know that uh everything keeps evolving into crabs? Is that is that evolving into crabs? Is that is that evolving into crabs? Is that is that >> crabs have independently evolved five >> crabs have independently evolved five >> crabs have independently evolved five times? times? times? >> We haven't we didn't learn that in in >> We haven't we didn't learn that in in >> We haven't we didn't learn that in in school in in data science school. Crabs school in in data science school. Crabs school in in data science school. Crabs are the final form of of everything. are the final form of of everything. are the final form of of everything. >> Is that Are we eventually going to be >> Is that Are we eventually going to be >> Is that Are we eventually going to be crabs? crabs? crabs? >> I think we're I think we're on the way. >> I think we're I think we're on the way. >> I think we're I think we're on the way. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know like what the >> Yeah. I don't I don't know like what the >> Yeah. I don't I don't know like what the intermediate steps are, but the end intermediate steps are, but the end intermediate steps are, but the end >> I wonder how long it'll take for us to >> I wonder how long it'll take for us to >> I wonder how long it'll take for us to get there. get there. get there. >> A few more years at this rate. Okay. Uh >> A few more years at this rate. Okay. Uh >> A few more years at this rate. Okay. Uh crustation. crustation. crustation. >> Okay. Okay. Well, so we can we can try >> Okay. Okay. Well, so we can we can try >> Okay. Okay. Well, so we can we can try to type it in, but we can reveal to type it in, but we can reveal to type it in, but we can reveal specific letters or we can reveal the specific letters or we can reveal the specific letters or we can reveal the length as well. length as well. length as well. >> So So maybe we should try the word >> So So maybe we should try the word >> So So maybe we should try the word first. See how we're feeling about it. first. See how we're feeling about it. first. See how we're feeling about it. >> Okay. Yeah, let's do that. I like that. >> Okay. Yeah, let's do that. I like that. >> Okay. Yeah, let's do that. I like that. >> You seemed confident. >> You seemed confident. >> You seemed confident. >> Soiology. >> Stay. >> Stay. >> I think C is my guess.

>> I think C is my guess. >> I think C is my guess. >> I think that's going to be an E. But um >> I think that's going to be an E. But um >> I think that's going to be an E. But um >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> But should we reveal that one? That >> But should we reveal that one? That >> But should we reveal that one? That letter? letter? letter? >> Yeah, let's reveal that one. >> Yeah, let's reveal that one. >> Yeah, let's reveal that one. >> Yeah, you got it. >> Yeah, you got it. >> Yeah, you got it. >> Do we feel good about the rest of the >> Do we feel good about the rest of the >> Do we feel good about the rest of the word? Please, please type in your word? Please, please type in your word? Please, please type in your guesses on the live stream, too. guesses on the live stream, too. guesses on the live stream, too. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um, okay. >> Um, okay. >> Um, okay. >> I feel good. You feel good? >> I feel good. You feel good? >> I feel good. You feel good? >> I feel as good as I'm ever gonna feel >> I feel as good as I'm ever gonna feel >> I feel as good as I'm ever gonna feel about this word. about this word. about this word. >> I wouldn't change anything. >> I wouldn't change anything. >> I wouldn't change anything. >> Okay, let's do it. >> Okay, let's do it. >> Okay, let's do it. >> Yeah. So, that's that's like a double or >> Yeah. So, that's that's like a double or >> Yeah. So, that's that's like a double or nothing round. Okay. Like, if you got nothing round. Okay. Like, if you got nothing round. Okay. Like, if you got that wrong, you got no points, but we that wrong, you got no points, but we that wrong, you got no points, but we got times 2.3. That's awesome. 543 got times 2.3. That's awesome. 543 got times 2.3. That's awesome. 543 points. points. points. >> Is I think we're doing good, right? >> Is I think we're doing good, right? >> Is I think we're doing good, right? >> I think we're doing so good. >> I think we're doing so good. >> I think we're doing so good. >> I feel good with that. >> I feel good with that. >> I feel good with that. >> Um, okay. We have just enough time to >> Um, okay. We have just enough time to >> Um, okay. We have just enough time to spell a little more. Or we can we can spell a little more. Or we can we can spell a little more. Or we can we can play. We don't have time for a full play. We don't have time for a full play. We don't have time for a full trivia game. Or we can do a word game. trivia game. Or we can do a word game. trivia game. Or we can do a word game. >> You want to keep spelling? I feel like >> You want to keep spelling? I feel like >> You want to keep spelling? I feel like we've got a good spelling thing going we've got a good spelling thing going we've got a good spelling thing going on. on. on. >> I do. Did you ever do a spelling bee? Do >> I do. Did you ever do a spelling bee? Do >> I do. Did you ever do a spelling bee? Do you remember like what you remember like what you remember like what >> I remember being so stressed about >> I remember being so stressed about >> I remember being so stressed about spelling bees in school and um and I spelling bees in school and um and I spelling bees in school and um and I like the reason I like this game is like the reason I like this game is like the reason I like this game is because I don't have to do it in front because I don't have to do it in front because I don't have to do it in front of an audience. of an audience. of an audience. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And yet here we are >> And yet here we are >> And yet here we are >> kind of right. >> kind of right. >> kind of right. >> Um but but doing it together like >> Um but but doing it together like >> Um but but doing it together like there's never collaborative spelling there's never collaborative spelling there's never collaborative spelling bees and so I feel a lot better about bees and so I feel a lot better about bees and so I feel a lot better about what we're doing.

what we're doing. what we're doing. >> Yeah. No, I feel good. >> Yeah. No, I feel good. >> Yeah. No, I feel good. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'll we'll at least >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'll we'll at least >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'll we'll at least start some spelling. start some spelling. start some spelling. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Oops. >> Ultimate. >> Ultimate. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh, this is speed round. >> Oh, this is speed round. >> Oh, this is speed round. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> okay. >> okay. >> okay. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Terminal. >> Terminal. >> Terminal. >> Terminal. >> Terminal. >> Terminal. >> Finality. >> Finality. >> Finality. >> Finality. >> Finality. >> Finality. >> That looks >> That looks >> That looks >> resolution. >> resolution. >> resolution. >> Resolution. Ah. >> Resolution. Ah. >> Resolution. Ah. >> KOD. >> KOD. >> KOD. >> KOD. >> KOD. >> KOD. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Go. >> Yeah. Go. >> Yeah. Go. >> Conclusion. >> Conclusion. >> Conclusion. >> Conclusion. >> Conclusion. >> Conclusion. >> Closure. >> Closure. >> Closure. >> Closure. >> Closure. >> Closure. >> We aced it. >> We aced it. >> We aced it. >> Nailed it. There's a streak bonus. >> Nailed it. There's a streak bonus. >> Nailed it. There's a streak bonus. There's everything. I've never gotten There's everything. I've never gotten There's everything. I've never gotten everything right in one of those rounds everything right in one of those rounds everything right in one of those rounds before. Speed round. before. Speed round. before. Speed round. >> Let's go. >> Let's go. >> Let's go. >> Okay, we got another one from a TED >> Okay, we got another one from a TED >> Okay, we got another one from a TED talk. talk. talk. >> At first, emotionally charged buzzwords >> At first, emotionally charged buzzwords >> At first, emotionally charged buzzwords like this feel like enlightenment. like this feel like enlightenment. like this feel like enlightenment. >> Oh, look. It's still on the previous >> Oh, look. It's still on the previous >> Oh, look. It's still on the previous one. one. one. >> Okay, let's pretend that doesn't say >> Okay, let's pretend that doesn't say >> Okay, let's pretend that doesn't say endocrinology right there. Um, okay. I I endocrinology right there. Um, okay. I I endocrinology right there. Um, okay. I I bugged it out by by loading two levels bugged it out by by loading two levels bugged it out by by loading two levels in a row, but look, we got 543 again. in a row, but look, we got 543 again. in a row, but look, we got 543 again. >> Go us. >> Go us. >> Go us. >> Um, Emily, thank you so much for >> Um, Emily, thank you so much for >> Um, Emily, thank you so much for joining. It's such a pleasure to play joining. It's such a pleasure to play joining. It's such a pleasure to play with Lego bricks with somebody who with Lego bricks with somebody who with Lego bricks with somebody who probably knows every single one of those probably knows every single one of those probably knows every single one of those bricks. Um bricks. Um bricks. Um >> I dabble. Yeah, >> I dabble. Yeah, >> I dabble. Yeah, >> it's humbling. Um and um and next up, so >> it's humbling. Um and um and next up, so >> it's humbling. Um and um and next up, so Alexandra will be back in a few minutes Alexandra will be back in a few minutes Alexandra will be back in a few minutes to interview what's got to be one of the to interview what's got to be one of the to interview what's got to be one of the coolest dads ever. And I know dads. Um coolest dads ever. And I know dads. Um coolest dads ever. And I know dads. Um but first, we have a stopotion treat.

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>> What's up people? That was my favorite >> What's up people? That was my favorite song. It's raining tacos by Moses Smith song. It's raining tacos by Moses Smith song. It's raining tacos by Moses Smith and his son. Welcome back to Play at and his son. Welcome back to Play at and his son. Welcome back to Play at TED. Uh we're here to remind you that um TED. Uh we're here to remind you that um TED. Uh we're here to remind you that um play is a superpower that you have play is a superpower that you have play is a superpower that you have access to at every stage of your life, access to at every stage of your life, access to at every stage of your life, whether you're with your friends at work whether you're with your friends at work whether you're with your friends at work or in class. And here to remind us how or in class. And here to remind us how or in class. And here to remind us how play plays an essential I did it again. play plays an essential I did it again. play plays an essential I did it again. Play plays. Is anyone keep keeping Play plays. Is anyone keep keeping Play plays. Is anyone keep keeping count? Um how play is an essential part count? Um how play is an essential part count? Um how play is an essential part of learning? Uh is YouTube creator of learning? Uh is YouTube creator of learning? Uh is YouTube creator Sergey Urban. He is the host of the Dad Sergey Urban. He is the host of the Dad Sergey Urban. He is the host of the Dad Lab, one of the most trusted sources Lab, one of the most trusted sources Lab, one of the most trusted sources online for activities for STEM online for activities for STEM online for activities for STEM activities for children and their activities for children and their activities for children and their parents. >> Hi, Sergey. >> Hi, Sergey. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Welcome to Play It Ted. >> Welcome to Play It Ted. >> Welcome to Play It Ted. >> Yeah. Thank you for having me. >> Yeah. Thank you for having me. >> Yeah. Thank you for having me. >> Thank you for joining us. Um, before we >> Thank you for joining us. Um, before we >> Thank you for joining us. Um, before we dive in, I wonder if you could just tell dive in, I wonder if you could just tell dive in, I wonder if you could just tell us a little bit about the Dad Lab and us a little bit about the Dad Lab and us a little bit about the Dad Lab and how you got started.

how you got started. how you got started. >> It's as simple as me being a dad. Uh, >> It's as simple as me being a dad. Uh, >> It's as simple as me being a dad. Uh, and I'm not a teacher or a scientist. and I'm not a teacher or a scientist. and I'm not a teacher or a scientist. I'm just a dad. I'm just a dad. I'm just a dad. >> A real dad. Dad lab. A real dad. >> A real dad. Dad lab. A real dad. >> A real dad. Dad lab. A real dad. >> Exactly. That's where the come the name >> Exactly. That's where the come the name >> Exactly. That's where the come the name comes from. The dad just to point where comes from. The dad just to point where comes from. The dad just to point where I'm coming from. Uh, yeah. So, I have I'm coming from. Uh, yeah. So, I have I'm coming from. Uh, yeah. So, I have kids, two kids. Uh, and started doing kids, two kids. Uh, and started doing kids, two kids. Uh, and started doing activities with them. Basically playing activities with them. Basically playing activities with them. Basically playing with them. uh just doing some kind of with them. uh just doing some kind of with them. uh just doing some kind of educational stuff just were learning educational stuff just were learning educational stuff just were learning numbers, letters, doing some uh crafts numbers, letters, doing some uh crafts numbers, letters, doing some uh crafts uh and that's at some point I started uh and that's at some point I started uh and that's at some point I started sharing the content take taking photos sharing the content take taking photos sharing the content take taking photos of the activities and then filming of the activities and then filming of the activities and then filming videos of those activities posting on videos of those activities posting on videos of those activities posting on social media and it just kind of spread social media and it just kind of spread social media and it just kind of spread all around internet all social media and all around internet all social media and all around internet all social media and now it's my full-time job for over 10 now it's my full-time job for over 10 now it's my full-time job for over 10 years now. years now. years now. >> Oh my gosh. Amazing. Um well and you >> Oh my gosh. Amazing. Um well and you >> Oh my gosh. Amazing. Um well and you actually you have an activity for us to actually you have an activity for us to actually you have an activity for us to do together here today while we talk. Um do together here today while we talk. Um do together here today while we talk. Um would you mind talking us through it? would you mind talking us through it? would you mind talking us through it? >> Fantastic. Yeah because the thing is >> Fantastic. Yeah because the thing is >> Fantastic. Yeah because the thing is >> uh I have many followers online and >> uh I have many followers online and >> uh I have many followers online and people think some of people think okay people think some of people think okay people think some of people think okay Zatlab creates videos for kids. That's Zatlab creates videos for kids. That's Zatlab creates videos for kids. That's not what I do. What I do I create videos not what I do. What I do I create videos not what I do. What I do I create videos for parents and I always trying to find for parents and I always trying to find for parents and I always trying to find something simple but exciting enough. So something simple but exciting enough. So something simple but exciting enough. So parent would watch the video and then parent would watch the video and then parent would watch the video and then think ohh yeah I have that those two think ohh yeah I have that those two think ohh yeah I have that those two things at home I can try it tonight with things at home I can try it tonight with things at home I can try it tonight with my kids. So idea is always to make it my kids. So idea is always to make it my kids. So idea is always to make it simple exciting and really accessible simple exciting and really accessible simple exciting and really accessible for parents and today today we're trying for parents and today today we're trying for parents and today today we're trying to take one of those ideas uh and to take one of those ideas uh and to take one of those ideas uh and incorporate it into fun game for us.

incorporate it into fun game for us. incorporate it into fun game for us. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Uh again idea is quite simple. Uh in >> Uh again idea is quite simple. Uh in >> Uh again idea is quite simple. Uh in fact in some 18th century in some uh fact in some 18th century in some uh fact in some 18th century in some uh mathematical Japanese journal they wrote mathematical Japanese journal they wrote mathematical Japanese journal they wrote an article uh like a puzzle. So here is an article uh like a puzzle. So here is an article uh like a puzzle. So here is a picture uh try to find a way to fold a picture uh try to find a way to fold a picture uh try to find a way to fold it so many times that you could cut it it so many times that you could cut it it so many times that you could cut it only once and that's going to be it. And only once and that's going to be it. And only once and that's going to be it. And you got to cut out this shape out of you got to cut out this shape out of you got to cut out this shape out of this piece of paper. And this piece of paper. And this piece of paper. And >> that's amazing. So an 18th century >> that's amazing. So an 18th century >> that's amazing. So an 18th century puzzle magazine is amazing. Exactly. puzzle magazine is amazing. Exactly. puzzle magazine is amazing. Exactly. Exactly. Uh so and as it turns there is Exactly. Uh so and as it turns there is Exactly. Uh so and as it turns there is a theorem called uh fold and cut. Simple a theorem called uh fold and cut. Simple a theorem called uh fold and cut. Simple enough okay to remember. So and it enough okay to remember. So and it enough okay to remember. So and it basically says that you can take any basically says that you can take any basically says that you can take any shape and fold a piece of paper. Uh so shape and fold a piece of paper. Uh so shape and fold a piece of paper. Uh so the only kind of thing is uh the shape the only kind of thing is uh the shape the only kind of thing is uh the shape should be made of straight lines. So you should be made of straight lines. So you should be made of straight lines. So you can fold the piece of paper in specific can fold the piece of paper in specific can fold the piece of paper in specific way. So you can just cut only once and way. So you can just cut only once and way. So you can just cut only once and you can cut this shape out. you can cut this shape out. you can cut this shape out. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And so the simple thing is simple thing >> And so the simple thing is simple thing >> And so the simple thing is simple thing same Simple same Simple same Simple thing hard. Yeah. Simpler than saying thing hard. Yeah. Simpler than saying thing hard. Yeah. Simpler than saying simple. Yes.

simple. Yes. simple. Yes. >> Yeah. So just a bit of introduction. So >> Yeah. So just a bit of introduction. So >> Yeah. So just a bit of introduction. So let's say here's a square. You want to let's say here's a square. You want to let's say here's a square. You want to cut out the square. The simple solution cut out the square. The simple solution cut out the square. The simple solution would be uh unprepared and mathematical would be uh unprepared and mathematical would be uh unprepared and mathematical solution would be to cut the hole and solution would be to cut the hole and solution would be to cut the hole and then cut out all these pieces which then cut out all these pieces which then cut out all these pieces which going to be a lot of kind of a lot of going to be a lot of kind of a lot of going to be a lot of kind of a lot of work. work. work. >> Absolutely. That's how I would do it. >> Absolutely. That's how I would do it. >> Absolutely. That's how I would do it. >> Exactly. But there is a way if you just >> Exactly. But there is a way if you just >> Exactly. But there is a way if you just kind of fold it in half. kind of fold it in half. kind of fold it in half. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Just like that. And then you can see if >> Just like that. And then you can see if >> Just like that. And then you can see if you cut it just three times you cut it just three times you cut it just three times >> you can get the square. >> you can get the square. >> you can get the square. >> But what about making it even more >> But what about making it even more >> But what about making it even more simple? simple? simple? >> So if we fold it like that now we have >> So if we fold it like that now we have >> So if we fold it like that now we have just two cuts. Okay. just two cuts. Okay. just two cuts. Okay. >> And if you cut it one more time uh if >> And if you cut it one more time uh if >> And if you cut it one more time uh if you fold it one more time just like you fold it one more time just like you fold it one more time just like that. that. that. >> One. >> One. >> One. >> One. And you can cut it. >> One. And you can cut it. >> One. And you can cut it. >> And then you cut it. >> And then you cut it. >> And then you cut it. >> You should be able >> Yeah. to get a square hole just like >> Yeah. to get a square hole just like that. The again the most amazing thing that. The again the most amazing thing that. The again the most amazing thing is not just to hang the hole. It's just is not just to hang the hole. It's just is not just to hang the hole. It's just having the shape as well. Yeah, it's having the shape as well. Yeah, it's having the shape as well. Yeah, it's just like that.

just like that. just like that. >> Okay. Wait, I want to try. >> Okay. Wait, I want to try. >> Okay. Wait, I want to try. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Now, is the square going >> Yeah. Go ahead. Now, is the square going >> Yeah. Go ahead. Now, is the square going to be too simple for you? Uh let's go to be too simple for you? Uh let's go to be too simple for you? Uh let's go with something we haven't shown you yet. with something we haven't shown you yet. with something we haven't shown you yet. >> Triangle. Uh oh. Wait. Ah. Okay. I was >> Triangle. Uh oh. Wait. Ah. Okay. I was >> Triangle. Uh oh. Wait. Ah. Okay. I was kind of so excited to nail that square. kind of so excited to nail that square. kind of so excited to nail that square. Okay. So, it's three. Okay. Okay. So, it's three. Okay. Okay. So, it's three. Okay. >> Yeah. We're going to try just simple >> Yeah. We're going to try just simple >> Yeah. We're going to try just simple shapes. The cool thing about that shapes. The cool thing about that shapes. The cool thing about that activity is that I'm not sure how activity is that I'm not sure how activity is that I'm not sure how historically accurate that is. But historically accurate that is. But historically accurate that is. But apparently uh Betsy Ross used technique apparently uh Betsy Ross used technique apparently uh Betsy Ross used technique of cutting once when she was making the of cutting once when she was making the of cutting once when she was making the flag of America just making the all the flag of America just making the all the flag of America just making the all the stars. stars. stars. >> And the thing is there there is a way to >> And the thing is there there is a way to >> And the thing is there there is a way to figure out you can just either draw the figure out you can just either draw the figure out you can just either draw the store and star and fold it a few times store and star and fold it a few times store and star and fold it a few times or you can just follow or you can just follow or you can just follow >> simple tricks. >> simple tricks. >> simple tricks. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now, I will tell you that this Now, I will tell you that this Now, I will tell you that this equilateral triangle that I made is not equilateral triangle that I made is not equilateral triangle that I made is not quite equilateral. So, we're going to quite equilateral. So, we're going to quite equilateral. So, we're going to try to get it right. But, um, but try to get it right. But, um, but try to get it right. But, um, but speaking of which, actually, I wanted to speaking of which, actually, I wanted to speaking of which, actually, I wanted to ask you. So, um, when you're coming up ask you. So, um, when you're coming up ask you. So, um, when you're coming up with these activities to do with your with these activities to do with your with these activities to do with your kids or for people to do with their kids or for people to do with their kids or for people to do with their kids, what where are you drawing your kids, what where are you drawing your kids, what where are you drawing your inspiration? Is it just from is it based inspiration? Is it just from is it based inspiration? Is it just from is it based on what you want them to learn, what on what you want them to learn, what on what you want them to learn, what their interests are, and what materials their interests are, and what materials their interests are, and what materials you have around? How are you how are you you have around? How are you how are you you have around? How are you how are you coming up with your coming up with your coming up with your >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um >> I love how people want to have one >> I love how people want to have one >> I love how people want to have one specific answer for all the problems.

specific answer for all the problems. specific answer for all the problems. >> There is one like it's like the question >> There is one like it's like the question >> There is one like it's like the question how do you educate? how do you educate? how do you educate? >> Okay. What is >> Okay. What is >> Okay. What is >> raise a child? There is like >> raise a child? There is like >> raise a child? There is like >> your approaches. >> your approaches. >> your approaches. >> Some of my approaches there obviously >> Some of my approaches there obviously >> Some of my approaches there obviously there are lots of different approaches. there are lots of different approaches. there are lots of different approaches. >> Uh one of them being uh first of all >> Uh one of them being uh first of all >> Uh one of them being uh first of all when I play I want to have fun myself. when I play I want to have fun myself. when I play I want to have fun myself. >> Yeah. And again what what what we were >> Yeah. And again what what what we were >> Yeah. And again what what what we were talking in the very beginning I'm trying talking in the very beginning I'm trying talking in the very beginning I'm trying to inspire parents saying that you can to inspire parents saying that you can to inspire parents saying that you can have fun like this is one of the have fun like this is one of the have fun like this is one of the activities in fact this activity as long activities in fact this activity as long activities in fact this activity as long as your son or or daughter can uh cut as your son or or daughter can uh cut as your son or or daughter can uh cut you can do this activity starting with you can do this activity starting with you can do this activity starting with simple shapes and just progress a bit to simple shapes and just progress a bit to simple shapes and just progress a bit to more difficult ones. more difficult ones. more difficult ones. >> Uh but either way what I want to I want >> Uh but either way what I want to I want >> Uh but either way what I want to I want parents to have fun and I'm the same. parents to have fun and I'm the same. parents to have fun and I'm the same. I'm thinking, oh, there is something I'm thinking, oh, there is something I'm thinking, oh, there is something exciting that I heard about and I want exciting that I heard about and I want exciting that I heard about and I want to try it and why don't we try it with a to try it and why don't we try it with a to try it and why don't we try it with a child together? child together? child together? >> It starts with also you having fun. >> It starts with also you having fun. >> It starts with also you having fun. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Which is the the And I think, you >> Yeah. Which is the the And I think, you >> Yeah. Which is the the And I think, you know, we hear from a lot of parents that know, we hear from a lot of parents that know, we hear from a lot of parents that have this feeling, you know, they know have this feeling, you know, they know have this feeling, you know, they know it's important to play with their kids it's important to play with their kids it's important to play with their kids and there's something intimidating about and there's something intimidating about and there's something intimidating about it that play, they either tell it that play, they either tell it that play, they either tell themselves, I'm not a creative person or themselves, I'm not a creative person or themselves, I'm not a creative person or I'm not um you know, I'm exhausted. I I'm not um you know, I'm exhausted. I I'm not um you know, I'm exhausted. I just at work all day, like I can't come just at work all day, like I can't come just at work all day, like I can't come up with something to do. Um, how do you up with something to do. Um, how do you up with something to do. Um, how do you Yeah. What do What do you What do you Yeah. What do What do you What do you Yeah. What do What do you What do you say to parents like that who think of say to parents like that who think of say to parents like that who think of themselves as not creative? By the way, themselves as not creative? By the way, themselves as not creative? By the way, I'm about to crush this triangle.

I'm about to crush this triangle. I'm about to crush this triangle. >> Okay, let's see what happens. Yeah, >> Okay, let's see what happens. Yeah, >> Okay, let's see what happens. Yeah, >> hold on. And by and remember that my >> hold on. And by and remember that my >> hold on. And by and remember that my triangle was not perfectly drawn. One triangle was not perfectly drawn. One triangle was not perfectly drawn. One cut. cut. cut. >> One cut. >> One cut. >> One cut. >> Oh my gosh. I really hope this did this >> Oh my gosh. I really hope this did this >> Oh my gosh. I really hope this did this right. right. right. >> Congrats. Yeah, it's a beautiful >> Congrats. Yeah, it's a beautiful >> Congrats. Yeah, it's a beautiful triangle. triangle. triangle. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. Wonderful. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. Wonderful. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. Wonderful. >> Um yeah sorry. >> Um yeah sorry. >> Um yeah sorry. >> Yeah. So what I said to those parents uh >> Yeah. So what I said to those parents uh >> Yeah. So what I said to those parents uh I mean the thing is again like with I mean the thing is again like with I mean the thing is again like with parenting with play there is no kind of parenting with play there is no kind of parenting with play there is no kind of wrong way of doing it. wrong way of doing it. wrong way of doing it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The biggest challenge that I face myself >> The biggest challenge that I face myself >> The biggest challenge that I face myself and I I hear that parents face is that and I I hear that parents face is that and I I hear that parents face is that they afraid to start because they're they afraid to start because they're they afraid to start because they're afraid to fail. afraid to fail. afraid to fail. >> Like for example I do a lot of science >> Like for example I do a lot of science >> Like for example I do a lot of science experiments which are getting simple experiments which are getting simple experiments which are getting simple enough. you're just mixing vinegar, enough. you're just mixing vinegar, enough. you're just mixing vinegar, baking soda, something as simple but baking soda, something as simple but baking soda, something as simple but like with color and stuff. like with color and stuff. like with color and stuff. >> And parents sometimes don't want to >> And parents sometimes don't want to >> And parents sometimes don't want to approach that because they're just approach that because they're just approach that because they're just afraid because like if the child asks afraid because like if the child asks afraid because like if the child asks something and they don't know, they something and they don't know, they something and they don't know, they answer answer answer >> right >> right >> right >> and they the but the reply the answer to >> and they the but the reply the answer to >> and they the but the reply the answer to that problem solution is so simple.

that problem solution is so simple. that problem solution is so simple. >> If you don't know, you just say I don't >> If you don't know, you just say I don't >> If you don't know, you just say I don't know. Let's Google it together. know. Let's Google it together. know. Let's Google it together. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> As as simple as that. Like there is no >> As as simple as that. Like there is no >> As as simple as that. Like there is no wrong way of playing. No, no, no problem wrong way of playing. No, no, no problem wrong way of playing. No, no, no problem if you don't know some stuff and it's if you don't know some stuff and it's if you don't know some stuff and it's it's people it's people it's people >> just like that and it's okay. >> just like that and it's okay. >> just like that and it's okay. >> I love that and that's such a good >> I love that and that's such a good >> I love that and that's such a good reminder. One of the themes that's reminder. One of the themes that's reminder. One of the themes that's coming up today a lot is the that coming up today a lot is the that coming up today a lot is the that failure is an inherent essential failure is an inherent essential failure is an inherent essential ingredient in play, the possibility of ingredient in play, the possibility of ingredient in play, the possibility of failure and and uh and riding that line failure and and uh and riding that line failure and and uh and riding that line between success and failure or whatever between success and failure or whatever between success and failure or whatever success looks like with play. And I success looks like with play. And I success looks like with play. And I think that that that feeling also of think that that that feeling also of think that that that feeling also of saying I don't know is also kind of it's saying I don't know is also kind of it's saying I don't know is also kind of it's like a release. It creates space for like a release. It creates space for like a release. It creates space for more curiosity. more curiosity. more curiosity. >> Yeah. There is no test with wrong marks. >> Yeah. There is no test with wrong marks. >> Yeah. There is no test with wrong marks. It's you just leave your life and then It's you just leave your life and then It's you just leave your life and then like the kids and again back coming back like the kids and again back coming back like the kids and again back coming back to the failure. It's not just uh when to the failure. It's not just uh when to the failure. It's not just uh when you play it's like coming back you're you play it's like coming back you're you play it's like coming back you're growing and you're building your growing and you're building your growing and you're building your business. There is even an expression business. There is even an expression business. There is even an expression like fail fast meaning try everything like fail fast meaning try everything like fail fast meaning try everything and you fail through all the things that and you fail through all the things that and you fail through all the things that don't work and finally you find don't work and finally you find don't work and finally you find something that works something that works something that works >> and it's just being open and just enjoy >> and it's just being open and just enjoy >> and it's just being open and just enjoy the things enjoy the process.

the things enjoy the process. the things enjoy the process. >> Yeah. Well and and and >> Yeah. Well and and and >> Yeah. Well and and and the I think also there's this pressure the I think also there's this pressure the I think also there's this pressure that when you're when you're doing that when you're when you're doing that when you're when you're doing something in a learning environment that something in a learning environment that something in a learning environment that you have to uh learn something like a a you have to uh learn something like a a you have to uh learn something like a a theory or a a rule or a mathematical theory or a a rule or a mathematical theory or a a rule or a mathematical Yeah. practice or something and what do Yeah. practice or something and what do Yeah. practice or something and what do you think about you know these you think about you know these you think about you know these experiments and these activities you do experiments and these activities you do experiments and these activities you do there is a lot of science and math there is a lot of science and math there is a lot of science and math behind all of it is that the is the goal behind all of it is that the is the goal behind all of it is that the is the goal to learn those things do you think that to learn those things do you think that to learn those things do you think that even if you don't learn for example a a even if you don't learn for example a a even if you don't learn for example a a phys a rule of physics are you still phys a rule of physics are you still phys a rule of physics are you still learning something through playing what learning something through playing what learning something through playing what is your is your is your >> yeah I mean the thing is some some some >> yeah I mean the thing is some some some >> yeah I mean the thing is some some some of the experiments that I do are of the experiments that I do are of the experiments that I do are difficult some of the simple difficult some of the simple difficult some of the simple >> and My approach is again I don't want I >> and My approach is again I don't want I >> and My approach is again I don't want I don't teach them deep science behind it don't teach them deep science behind it don't teach them deep science behind it all. all. all. >> The idea is to open their minds that you >> The idea is to open their minds that you >> The idea is to open their minds that you can combine two simple things and you can combine two simple things and you can combine two simple things and you will get unexpected result with will get unexpected result with will get unexpected result with producing some third thing.

producing some third thing. producing some third thing. >> Uh just open minders uh and just learn >> Uh just open minders uh and just learn >> Uh just open minders uh and just learn the world around them. the world around them. the world around them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And be brave to try things. >> And be brave to try things. >> And be brave to try things. >> Yeah. The the celebrating curiosity. >> Yeah. The the celebrating curiosity. >> Yeah. The the celebrating curiosity. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Because I guess well because that >> Yeah. Because I guess well because that >> Yeah. Because I guess well because that is Yeah. the root of all learning. Um, is Yeah. the root of all learning. Um, is Yeah. the root of all learning. Um, and so for kids themselves, I wonder do and so for kids themselves, I wonder do and so for kids themselves, I wonder do you you you do you bypass that feeling of like, oh, do you bypass that feeling of like, oh, do you bypass that feeling of like, oh, I'm being I'm being tricked into I'm being I'm being tricked into I'm being I'm being tricked into learning somehow. This isn't play. This learning somehow. This isn't play. This learning somehow. This isn't play. This is school. No, is school. No, is school. No, >> it just depends. But the thing is like >> it just depends. But the thing is like >> it just depends. But the thing is like sometimes again coming back to people sometimes again coming back to people sometimes again coming back to people who watch videos online and want to do who watch videos online and want to do who watch videos online and want to do the activity with the kids. something the activity with the kids. something the activity with the kids. something which happens and uh I have the same which happens and uh I have the same which happens and uh I have the same kind of problem uh when you prepare kind of problem uh when you prepare kind of problem uh when you prepare activity saying like liquid one should activity saying like liquid one should activity saying like liquid one should be mixed with liquid two and you get be mixed with liquid two and you get be mixed with liquid two and you get have to get this reaction have to get this reaction have to get this reaction >> and you and you're just setting it all >> and you and you're just setting it all >> and you and you're just setting it all up for the child and saying okay this is up for the child and saying okay this is up for the child and saying okay this is exactly what you do exactly what you do exactly what you do >> and this is a wrong approach to the >> and this is a wrong approach to the >> and this is a wrong approach to the thing thing thing >> because again all the kids they are born >> because again all the kids they are born >> because again all the kids they are born curious fantastic good job curious fantastic good job curious fantastic good job >> thank you >> thank you >> thank you >> uh all the kids are born curious so if >> uh all the kids are born curious so if >> uh all the kids are born curious so if you just give them those liquids and you just give them those liquids and you just give them those liquids and saying okay here here is like a play saying okay here here is like a play saying okay here here is like a play site for you to experiment at some point site for you to experiment at some point site for you to experiment at some point they will combine those two liquids and they will combine those two liquids and they will combine those two liquids and they will get to the results that maybe they will get to the results that maybe they will get to the results that maybe some of the steps going to be messy and some of the steps going to be messy and some of the steps going to be messy and unpredictable at first so they the thing unpredictable at first so they the thing unpredictable at first so they the thing that we don't don't have to we're that we don't don't have to we're that we don't don't have to we're supposed not to do is to stop them supposed not to do is to stop them supposed not to do is to stop them exploring exploring exploring >> yeah yeah >> yeah yeah >> yeah yeah >> that's the failure that is kind of >> that's the failure that is kind of >> that's the failure that is kind of difficult one which is again we have to difficult one which is again we have to difficult one which is again we have to be open to their experimentation

be open to their experimentation be open to their experimentation >> and again uh coming back to the star I >> and again uh coming back to the star I >> and again uh coming back to the star I mentioned already uh bets. But mentioned already uh bets. But mentioned already uh bets. But apparently Houdini was doing one of apparently Houdini was doing one of apparently Houdini was doing one of these experiments as well. Uh magic these experiments as well. Uh magic these experiments as well. Uh magic tricks when you fold a piece of paper tricks when you fold a piece of paper tricks when you fold a piece of paper and cut it once. and cut it once. and cut it once. >> This is for you. Okay. >> This is for you. Okay. >> This is for you. Okay. >> And you cut it once just like that >> And you cut it once just like that >> And you cut it once just like that >> across. Here we go. >> across. Here we go. >> across. Here we go. >> And you're supposed to get Yeah. Yeah. >> And you're supposed to get Yeah. Yeah. >> And you're supposed to get Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> And you're supposed to get a star. Let's >> And you're supposed to get a star. Let's >> And you're supposed to get a star. Let's see how it goes. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Fantastic. Yeah. Star. >> Fantastic. Yeah. Star. >> Fantastic. Yeah. Star. >> Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. So, that's that's >> Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. So, that's that's >> Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. So, that's that's how you make lots of stars for American how you make lots of stars for American how you make lots of stars for American flag. Just lots of cutting and small flag. Just lots of cutting and small flag. Just lots of cutting and small pieces like that. pieces like that. pieces like that. >> Um, that's wonderful. Thank you so much, >> Um, that's wonderful. Thank you so much, >> Um, that's wonderful. Thank you so much, Sergey. This was really fun. It was Sergey. This was really fun. It was Sergey. This was really fun. It was great chatting with you. Thank you for great chatting with you. Thank you for great chatting with you. Thank you for joining us here today. joining us here today. joining us here today. >> Yeah, my pleasure. Uh, so just a bit >> Yeah, my pleasure. Uh, so just a bit >> Yeah, my pleasure. Uh, so just a bit challenge for all the viewers out there. challenge for all the viewers out there. challenge for all the viewers out there. Yes. Just try to sit down with the Yes. Just try to sit down with the Yes. Just try to sit down with the family and try to cut the whole I don't family and try to cut the whole I don't family and try to cut the whole I don't know alphabet or using just one card for know alphabet or using just one card for know alphabet or using just one card for every letter. There is no one solution every letter. There is no one solution every letter. There is no one solution or lots of different solutions but it's or lots of different solutions but it's or lots of different solutions but it's a cool ch cool cool challenge for the a cool ch cool cool challenge for the a cool ch cool cool challenge for the whole family for the whole night. It's whole family for the whole night. It's whole family for the whole night. It's going to take a while.

going to take a while. going to take a while. >> That's great. You take that challenge >> That's great. You take that challenge >> That's great. You take that challenge with you. Let's see what you create. with you. Let's see what you create. with you. Let's see what you create. Thanks again, Sergey. Thanks again, Sergey. Thanks again, Sergey. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> All right. Um, we have one more >> All right. Um, we have one more >> All right. Um, we have one more interview coming up before we return to interview coming up before we return to interview coming up before we return to the theater. But first, we have a TED the theater. But first, we have a TED the theater. But first, we have a TED animation on the cognitive benefits of animation on the cognitive benefits of animation on the cognitive benefits of risky play and how we can design better risky play and how we can design better risky play and how we can design better playgrounds that promote fun, agency, playgrounds that promote fun, agency, playgrounds that promote fun, agency, and development. Stick around. In the 1930s, Danish landscape architect In the 1930s, Danish landscape architect Carl Theodore Sorenson noticed that his Carl Theodore Sorenson noticed that his Carl Theodore Sorenson noticed that his neighborhood's children loved playing in neighborhood's children loved playing in neighborhood's children loved playing in old building sites. Watching kids swing old building sites. Watching kids swing old building sites. Watching kids swing from exposed beams, scavenge for scrap from exposed beams, scavenge for scrap from exposed beams, scavenge for scrap materials and hammer together bridges materials and hammer together bridges materials and hammer together bridges inspired him to transform an abandoned inspired him to transform an abandoned inspired him to transform an abandoned housing estate into a dedicated junk housing estate into a dedicated junk housing estate into a dedicated junk playground. Sorenson's site became a playground. Sorenson's site became a playground. Sorenson's site became a huge success and soon countries huge success and soon countries huge success and soon countries throughout Europe were making throughout Europe were making throughout Europe were making playgrounds out of derelict building playgrounds out of derelict building playgrounds out of derelict building yards and even former World War I bomb yards and even former World War I bomb yards and even former World War I bomb sites. These environments might look sites. These environments might look sites. These environments might look dangerous, especially to 21st century dangerous, especially to 21st century dangerous, especially to 21st century parents who tend to be far more anxious parents who tend to be far more anxious parents who tend to be far more anxious about their children's safety than about their children's safety than about their children's safety than previous generations, but research has previous generations, but research has previous generations, but research has found these seemingly scary setups teach found these seemingly scary setups teach found these seemingly scary setups teach kids important lessons that standard kids important lessons that standard kids important lessons that standard playgrounds don't. Play is profoundly playgrounds don't. Play is profoundly playgrounds don't. Play is profoundly important for childhood development.

important for childhood development. important for childhood development. Creating games and following rules helps Creating games and following rules helps Creating games and following rules helps teach problem solving. Moving our bodies teach problem solving. Moving our bodies teach problem solving. Moving our bodies through varied terrain helps hone our through varied terrain helps hone our through varied terrain helps hone our motor control. And playing with others motor control. And playing with others motor control. And playing with others lets us practice language and refine our lets us practice language and refine our lets us practice language and refine our social skills. Since play comes social skills. Since play comes social skills. Since play comes naturally to all of us, children are naturally to all of us, children are naturally to all of us, children are likely to develop these skills in most likely to develop these skills in most likely to develop these skills in most environments. But researchers have environments. But researchers have environments. But researchers have identified a few factors that can identified a few factors that can identified a few factors that can maximize these benefits. Chief among maximize these benefits. Chief among maximize these benefits. Chief among them is freedom. Play is all about them is freedom. Play is all about them is freedom. Play is all about experimentation and kids need the agency experimentation and kids need the agency experimentation and kids need the agency to explore and shape their surroundings to explore and shape their surroundings to explore and shape their surroundings without adults getting in the way. The without adults getting in the way. The without adults getting in the way. The next factor is novelty. Kids are always next factor is novelty. Kids are always next factor is novelty. Kids are always hungry for new and unpredictable play hungry for new and unpredictable play hungry for new and unpredictable play elements. Finally, they need time to see elements. Finally, they need time to see elements. Finally, they need time to see their plans through. While we could all their plans through. While we could all their plans through. While we could all use more time to play, the best play use more time to play, the best play use more time to play, the best play environments offer freedom and novelty environments offer freedom and novelty environments offer freedom and novelty that kids can explore as much or as that kids can explore as much or as that kids can explore as much or as little as they like. But traditional little as they like. But traditional little as they like. But traditional playgrounds don't offer much flexibility playgrounds don't offer much flexibility playgrounds don't offer much flexibility here. Swings, slides, and climbing here. Swings, slides, and climbing here. Swings, slides, and climbing frames are hardly novel structures. They frames are hardly novel structures. They frames are hardly novel structures. They also have relatively low affordance, a also have relatively low affordance, a also have relatively low affordance, a term used by play researchers to term used by play researchers to term used by play researchers to indicate how open-ended an object's indicate how open-ended an object's indicate how open-ended an object's design is. Items with high affordance, design is. Items with high affordance, design is. Items with high affordance, like a sandbox, can be interacted with like a sandbox, can be interacted with like a sandbox, can be interacted with in many ways. Meanwhile, objects with in many ways. Meanwhile, objects with in many ways. Meanwhile, objects with low affordance, like a slide, were low affordance, like a slide, were low affordance, like a slide, were designed with a single use in mind. Even

designed with a single use in mind. Even designed with a single use in mind. Even when kids are creative enough to find when kids are creative enough to find when kids are creative enough to find new uses for low affordance objects, new uses for low affordance objects, new uses for low affordance objects, they're still more limited play things. they're still more limited play things. they're still more limited play things. To address these problems, some To address these problems, some To address these problems, some designers are looking back at Europe's designers are looking back at Europe's designers are looking back at Europe's junk playgrounds to create modern junk playgrounds to create modern junk playgrounds to create modern adventure playgrounds, big open spaces adventure playgrounds, big open spaces adventure playgrounds, big open spaces full of high affordant structures and full of high affordant structures and full of high affordant structures and free play possibilities. free play possibilities. free play possibilities. Berlin's Collar 37 features scrap and Berlin's Collar 37 features scrap and Berlin's Collar 37 features scrap and building tools for kids to manipulate. building tools for kids to manipulate. building tools for kids to manipulate. In Tokyo's muddy Harapa Park, children In Tokyo's muddy Harapa Park, children In Tokyo's muddy Harapa Park, children shape water slides, sink holes, and shape water slides, sink holes, and shape water slides, sink holes, and splash pools out of the natural splash pools out of the natural splash pools out of the natural landscape. landscape. landscape. And in London's Glams Adventurer And in London's Glams Adventurer And in London's Glams Adventurer Playground, kids burn things in fire Playground, kids burn things in fire Playground, kids burn things in fire pits with the help of playworker pits with the help of playworker pits with the help of playworker employees. While some parents worry employees. While some parents worry employees. While some parents worry these unpredictable spaces are too these unpredictable spaces are too these unpredictable spaces are too dangerous, play researchers like Ellen dangerous, play researchers like Ellen dangerous, play researchers like Ellen Sansitter would say this so-called risky Sansitter would say this so-called risky Sansitter would say this so-called risky play is essential. Giving kids the space play is essential. Giving kids the space play is essential. Giving kids the space to experiment with fast speeds, high to experiment with fast speeds, high to experiment with fast speeds, high heights, and getting lost helps them heights, and getting lost helps them heights, and getting lost helps them develop better judgment and confidence.

develop better judgment and confidence. develop better judgment and confidence. In fact, risky play is how kids learn to In fact, risky play is how kids learn to In fact, risky play is how kids learn to manage risk and keep themselves safe. manage risk and keep themselves safe. manage risk and keep themselves safe. One study even found that kids were more One study even found that kids were more One study even found that kids were more likely to get seriously injured in likely to get seriously injured in likely to get seriously injured in traditional playgrounds, perhaps because traditional playgrounds, perhaps because traditional playgrounds, perhaps because adventure playgrounds encourage them to adventure playgrounds encourage them to adventure playgrounds encourage them to be more aware of their surroundings. be more aware of their surroundings. be more aware of their surroundings. Risky play also helps develop skills for Risky play also helps develop skills for Risky play also helps develop skills for managing mental health. Experimenting managing mental health. Experimenting managing mental health. Experimenting with small doses of uncertainty gets with small doses of uncertainty gets with small doses of uncertainty gets kids used to life being unpredictable, kids used to life being unpredictable, kids used to life being unpredictable, helping them better manage anxiety for helping them better manage anxiety for helping them better manage anxiety for years to come. years to come. years to come. Adventure playgrounds aren't the only Adventure playgrounds aren't the only Adventure playgrounds aren't the only places for risky play. Nature places for risky play. Nature places for risky play. Nature playgrounds encouraging kids to explore playgrounds encouraging kids to explore playgrounds encouraging kids to explore creeks, caves, and tree climbing combine creeks, caves, and tree climbing combine creeks, caves, and tree climbing combine the perks of risk-taking with the health the perks of risk-taking with the health the perks of risk-taking with the health benefits of connecting with nature. benefits of connecting with nature. benefits of connecting with nature. Meanwhile, other designers are working Meanwhile, other designers are working Meanwhile, other designers are working to bring more freedom and novelty to to bring more freedom and novelty to to bring more freedom and novelty to traditional designs. This Philadelphia traditional designs. This Philadelphia traditional designs. This Philadelphia park features a 30 person mega swing, park features a 30 person mega swing, park features a 30 person mega swing, and Nebraska's Omaha Riverfront and Nebraska's Omaha Riverfront and Nebraska's Omaha Riverfront playground uses a ribbon of playground uses a ribbon of playground uses a ribbon of multi-layered decking as a play spine, multi-layered decking as a play spine, multi-layered decking as a play spine, warping up and down to reveal secret warping up and down to reveal secret warping up and down to reveal secret tunnels and rope forests. So, the real tunnels and rope forests. So, the real tunnels and rope forests. So, the real key is to design a variety of key is to design a variety of key is to design a variety of playgrounds supporting a wide range of playgrounds supporting a wide range of playgrounds supporting a wide range of activities that promote fun, agency, and activities that promote fun, agency, and activities that promote fun, agency, and a dash of uncertainty, inviting kids to a dash of uncertainty, inviting kids to a dash of uncertainty, inviting kids to fill in the possibilities.

Welcome back to the TED Studio. Next up, Welcome back to the TED Studio. Next up, we're going to be talking to early we're going to be talking to early we're going to be talking to early childhood educator Monica J. Sutton. She childhood educator Monica J. Sutton. She childhood educator Monica J. Sutton. She combines her unique teaching style with combines her unique teaching style with combines her unique teaching style with singing, dancing, and play on her singing, dancing, and play on her singing, dancing, and play on her YouTube channel, Miss Monica. >> Hi, Monica. >> Hi, Monica. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Thank you for joining us in the studio. >> Thank you for joining us in the studio. >> Thank you for joining us in the studio. >> I'm so excited to be here. So, thank >> I'm so excited to be here. So, thank >> I'm so excited to be here. So, thank you. you. you. >> We're excited to have you. Um, okay. >> We're excited to have you. Um, okay. >> We're excited to have you. Um, okay. Before we dive in, I got lots of Before we dive in, I got lots of Before we dive in, I got lots of questions for you. Can you tell us a questions for you. Can you tell us a questions for you. Can you tell us a little bit about what you do on your little bit about what you do on your little bit about what you do on your YouTube channel and who you are and your YouTube channel and who you are and your YouTube channel and who you are and your background a little bit? background a little bit? background a little bit? >> Yes, absolutely. So, my name is Monica >> Yes, absolutely. So, my name is Monica >> Yes, absolutely. So, my name is Monica J. Sutton, but the children call me Miss J. Sutton, but the children call me Miss J. Sutton, but the children call me Miss Monica. Monica, and I've been an Monica. Monica, and I've been an Monica. Monica, and I've been an educator for 23 years. I started my educator for 23 years. I started my educator for 23 years. I started my career and pretty much my whole teaching career and pretty much my whole teaching career and pretty much my whole teaching career was in New York City as a special career was in New York City as a special career was in New York City as a special education early childhood teacher. education early childhood teacher. education early childhood teacher. >> Um, but then when the pandemic hit and >> Um, but then when the pandemic hit and >> Um, but then when the pandemic hit and parents became teachers, I decided to parents became teachers, I decided to parents became teachers, I decided to put my classroom on YouTube on my put my classroom on YouTube on my put my classroom on YouTube on my channel and open up my classroom there.

channel and open up my classroom there. channel and open up my classroom there. And so now I teach children globally And so now I teach children globally And so now I teach children globally preschool skills through fun and and preschool skills through fun and and preschool skills through fun and and lessons and singing. lessons and singing. lessons and singing. >> I love it. Globally. So just amazing. >> I love it. Globally. So just amazing. >> I love it. Globally. So just amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um Okay. So while we're chatting, I >> Um Okay. So while we're chatting, I >> Um Okay. So while we're chatting, I wondered if you would play a little game wondered if you would play a little game wondered if you would play a little game with me. with me. with me. >> Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> Um it's a it's a little interview game I >> Um it's a it's a little interview game I >> Um it's a it's a little interview game I call head, chin, table. call head, chin, table. call head, chin, table. >> I'm not great at naming things. >> I'm not great at naming things. >> I'm not great at naming things. >> It's like the song head, shoulders, >> It's like the song head, shoulders, >> It's like the song head, shoulders, knees, and toes. knees, and toes. knees, and toes. >> Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for the >> Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for the >> Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for the vote of confidence. Basically how it vote of confidence. Basically how it vote of confidence. Basically how it works, there are three rules. Rule works, there are three rules. Rule works, there are three rules. Rule number one, at any given point, one of number one, at any given point, one of number one, at any given point, one of us has to either be scratching our head, us has to either be scratching our head, us has to either be scratching our head, touching our chin, or have our hands on touching our chin, or have our hands on touching our chin, or have our hands on the table. the table. the table. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Rule number two, if one person changes >> Rule number two, if one person changes >> Rule number two, if one person changes pose, the other person also has to pose, the other person also has to pose, the other person also has to change pose. change pose. change pose. >> So then I have to go like this. >> So then I have to go like this. >> So then I have to go like this. >> Yes. And I go like this. >> Yes. And I go like this. >> Yes. And I go like this. >> And like this. Oh my gosh. You got it. >> And like this. Oh my gosh. You got it. >> And like this. Oh my gosh. You got it. And then the third rule is that we can't And then the third rule is that we can't And then the third rule is that we can't be doing the same pose at the same time. be doing the same pose at the same time. be doing the same pose at the same time. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Okay. And we're definitely gonna >> Okay. Okay. And we're definitely gonna >> Okay. Okay. And we're definitely gonna mess up. mess up. mess up. >> It's a lot to take in. Okay. We're >> It's a lot to take in. Okay. We're >> It's a lot to take in. Okay. We're ready.

ready. ready. >> Okay. Wait. So, let's we'll do we'll >> Okay. Wait. So, let's we'll do we'll >> Okay. Wait. So, let's we'll do we'll we'll just do a little practice. we'll just do a little practice. we'll just do a little practice. >> Okay. Oh, wait. >> Okay. Oh, wait. >> Okay. Oh, wait. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Oh. Oh, >> Oh. Oh, >> Oh. Oh, >> two hands. >> two hands. >> two hands. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Perfect. We're gonna nail it. Um smile >> Perfect. We're gonna nail it. Um smile >> Perfect. We're gonna nail it. Um smile through it. through it. through it. >> Yeah. Exactly. Um Okay. So, you are an >> Yeah. Exactly. Um Okay. So, you are an >> Yeah. Exactly. Um Okay. So, you are an early childhood educator. Can you talk a early childhood educator. Can you talk a early childhood educator. Can you talk a little bit about how play shows up? little bit about how play shows up? little bit about how play shows up? Wait. In your work. Wait. Wait. In your work. Wait. Wait. In your work. Wait. >> Oh, I'm supposed to be Okay. Yes, >> Oh, I'm supposed to be Okay. Yes, >> Oh, I'm supposed to be Okay. Yes, absolutely. Um whether it is in the absolutely. Um whether it is in the absolutely. Um whether it is in the physical classroom or in whether it's in physical classroom or in whether it's in physical classroom or in whether it's in the physical classroom or even digitally the physical classroom or even digitally the physical classroom or even digitally now that I have a digital classroom play now that I have a digital classroom play now that I have a digital classroom play always shows up. I'm intentionally always shows up. I'm intentionally always shows up. I'm intentionally trying to create interactive moments trying to create interactive moments trying to create interactive moments through play. I'm always trying to through play. I'm always trying to through play. I'm always trying to create fun experience for children. And create fun experience for children. And create fun experience for children. And again that's digitally that's physical again that's digitally that's physical again that's digitally that's physical it always shows up. Mhm. Um, and I it always shows up. Mhm. Um, and I it always shows up. Mhm. Um, and I wanted to ask also, wanted to ask also, wanted to ask also, um, how so you're we've been talking to um, how so you're we've been talking to um, how so you're we've been talking to a lot of YouTube creators today and they a lot of YouTube creators today and they a lot of YouTube creators today and they they've been talking about how, uh, they they've been talking about how, uh, they they've been talking about how, uh, they they all celebrate play and try to they all celebrate play and try to they all celebrate play and try to promote play. Um, but this is online promote play. Um, but this is online promote play. Um, but this is online content. So, how are you thinking about content. So, how are you thinking about content. So, how are you thinking about folks engaging with your work um, uh, in folks engaging with your work um, uh, in folks engaging with your work um, uh, in the real world, offline?

the real world, offline? the real world, offline? >> That is such a good question. I'm always >> That is such a good question. I'm always >> That is such a good question. I'm always thinking about connection. Honestly, thinking about connection. Honestly, thinking about connection. Honestly, that is always at the center of my work, that is always at the center of my work, that is always at the center of my work, connection and play. But if I can connection and play. But if I can connection and play. But if I can maintain that connection piece through maintain that connection piece through maintain that connection piece through the screen, then we can create the screen, then we can create the screen, then we can create engagement. So for me, like I just put engagement. So for me, like I just put engagement. So for me, like I just put out a video, it was an episode about out a video, it was an episode about out a video, it was an episode about colors. And instead of just teaching the colors. And instead of just teaching the colors. And instead of just teaching the colors, red, green, yellow, you know, colors, red, green, yellow, you know, colors, red, green, yellow, you know, instead of just teaching it that way, I instead of just teaching it that way, I instead of just teaching it that way, I asked the children, okay, I'm going to asked the children, okay, I'm going to asked the children, okay, I'm going to hold up a card now. Can you find hold up a card now. Can you find hold up a card now. Can you find something green in your home? And then something green in your home? And then something green in your home? And then you add the little fun music. D. You you add the little fun music. D. You you add the little fun music. D. You have five seconds. D. And they're have five seconds. D. And they're have five seconds. D. And they're running around and then I run around, running around and then I run around, running around and then I run around, right? You show me going back and forth right? You show me going back and forth right? You show me going back and forth across the screen and then you come back across the screen and then you come back across the screen and then you come back and say, what did you find? But I'm and say, what did you find? But I'm and say, what did you find? But I'm looking in the camera. What did you looking in the camera. What did you looking in the camera. What did you find? And then I tell them what I find. find? And then I tell them what I find. find? And then I tell them what I find. And so that's how I intentionally create And so that's how I intentionally create And so that's how I intentionally create an interactive moment of play and fun. an interactive moment of play and fun. an interactive moment of play and fun. It's so great. It really is. It's so great. It really is. It's so great. It really is. >> No, it really is fun. Um, and so is that >> No, it really is fun. Um, and so is that >> No, it really is fun. Um, and so is that how do you have um do you have advice how do you have um do you have advice how do you have um do you have advice for parents who are um wanting their for parents who are um wanting their for parents who are um wanting their children to engage with your content or children to engage with your content or children to engage with your content or or with online content in general?

or with online content in general? or with online content in general? >> Absolutely. I think number one, you >> Absolutely. I think number one, you >> Absolutely. I think number one, you should always try should always try should always try co-viewing. We call it co-viewing. It's co-viewing. We call it co-viewing. It's co-viewing. We call it co-viewing. It's called so many things, but co-viewing. called so many things, but co-viewing. called so many things, but co-viewing. if you're watching with your child. So if you're watching with your child. So if you're watching with your child. So if I ask them to go find that color, you if I ask them to go find that color, you if I ask them to go find that color, you can pause the video if you want. It is a can pause the video if you want. It is a can pause the video if you want. It is a video, so you can pause it and give them video, so you can pause it and give them video, so you can pause it and give them extra time. So maybe my 5 seconds is not extra time. So maybe my 5 seconds is not extra time. So maybe my 5 seconds is not enough time. Let them have the extra enough time. Let them have the extra enough time. Let them have the extra time they need to go find that color or time they need to go find that color or time they need to go find that color or whatever it is they're doing, but being whatever it is they're doing, but being whatever it is they're doing, but being involved or stopping the video. I like involved or stopping the video. I like involved or stopping the video. I like to call it like the pause and connect, to call it like the pause and connect, to call it like the pause and connect, right? So you pause the video and then right? So you pause the video and then right? So you pause the video and then ask them, "What do you think the answer ask them, "What do you think the answer ask them, "What do you think the answer is?" or "What do you think of whatever is?" or "What do you think of whatever is?" or "What do you think of whatever it is I'm talking about?" And then even it is I'm talking about?" And then even it is I'm talking about?" And then even if they get the answer wrong, it's okay if they get the answer wrong, it's okay if they get the answer wrong, it's okay because that's what I'm there for. And because that's what I'm there for. And because that's what I'm there for. And then together then together then together >> I'm going to explain it, the parent can >> I'm going to explain it, the parent can >> I'm going to explain it, the parent can explain it. You know, you let the video explain it. You know, you let the video explain it. You know, you let the video play. play. play. >> Um, so it's really just being a part of >> Um, so it's really just being a part of >> Um, so it's really just being a part of the lesson with your child because it the lesson with your child because it the lesson with your child because it doesn't it it takes away from them just doesn't it it takes away from them just doesn't it it takes away from them just viewing and just being a watcher and viewing and just being a watcher and viewing and just being a watcher and then it allows them to be more active in then it allows them to be more active in then it allows them to be more active in their participating. Yeah.

their participating. Yeah. their participating. Yeah. >> Yeah. There is something Oh my gosh, I'm >> Yeah. There is something Oh my gosh, I'm >> Yeah. There is something Oh my gosh, I'm realizing how much I talk with my hands. realizing how much I talk with my hands. realizing how much I talk with my hands. >> I know. Me too. and I want to move. So, >> I know. Me too. and I want to move. So, >> I know. Me too. and I want to move. So, >> should I liberate us from the game? >> should I liberate us from the game? >> should I liberate us from the game? Let's do it. Okay, we're good. Let's do it. Okay, we're good. Let's do it. Okay, we're good. Um, yeah, this idea of co- viewing seems Um, yeah, this idea of co- viewing seems Um, yeah, this idea of co- viewing seems really um really powerful because so, really um really powerful because so, really um really powerful because so, you know, so much of um we have these you know, so much of um we have these you know, so much of um we have these personal screens, we have these tablets personal screens, we have these tablets personal screens, we have these tablets and phones and everything and it's so and phones and everything and it's so and phones and everything and it's so like just between you and a screen, but like just between you and a screen, but like just between you and a screen, but you know, if we can make it a more you know, if we can make it a more you know, if we can make it a more social experience, it it has that social experience, it it has that social experience, it it has that potential. potential. potential. >> I agree. Yeah. And it takes away from >> I agree. Yeah. And it takes away from >> I agree. Yeah. And it takes away from the scrolling because even little ones, the scrolling because even little ones, the scrolling because even little ones, three-year-olds, four-year-olds, they're three-year-olds, four-year-olds, they're three-year-olds, four-year-olds, they're scrolling. If you are not regulating scrolling. If you are not regulating scrolling. If you are not regulating and, you know, really guiding them and, you know, really guiding them and, you know, really guiding them through it. Uh, I was at I visited a through it. Uh, I was at I visited a through it. Uh, I was at I visited a family one time. Sometimes I do like family one time. Sometimes I do like family one time. Sometimes I do like surprise visits to fans and families and surprise visits to fans and families and surprise visits to fans and families and I got to visit a little one. He was so I got to visit a little one. He was so I got to visit a little one. He was so tiny. He was three. But he was showing tiny. He was three. But he was showing tiny. He was three. But he was showing me that he loves my Good Morning Train me that he loves my Good Morning Train me that he loves my Good Morning Train song. And so he's playing the song over song. And so he's playing the song over song. And so he's playing the song over and over and over. And then he got when and over and over. And then he got when and over and over. And then he got when he got tired, he started scrolling and I he got tired, he started scrolling and I he got tired, he started scrolling and I was like, "Oh, he scrolls.

was like, "Oh, he scrolls. was like, "Oh, he scrolls. He scrolls. Go." But right there, I saw He scrolls. Go." But right there, I saw He scrolls. Go." But right there, I saw a teachable moment where a parent could a teachable moment where a parent could a teachable moment where a parent could step in. You can step in, you know, stop step in. You can step in, you know, stop step in. You can step in, you know, stop the scrolling and talk about what the scrolling and talk about what the scrolling and talk about what happened. Um, and then maybe transition happened. Um, and then maybe transition happened. Um, and then maybe transition to something else. Maybe transition to to something else. Maybe transition to to something else. Maybe transition to the train toys he has or transition to the train toys he has or transition to the train toys he has or transition to something that is similar to what we something that is similar to what we something that is similar to what we were talking about or a book about were talking about or a book about were talking about or a book about trains, right? That's what helps. Now, trains, right? That's what helps. Now, trains, right? That's what helps. Now, of course, naturally, sometimes you have of course, naturally, sometimes you have of course, naturally, sometimes you have to just, you know, parents have to let to just, you know, parents have to let to just, you know, parents have to let the children just have, right? Whatever. the children just have, right? Whatever. the children just have, right? Whatever. We I get it. But when you can Yeah. Co. We I get it. But when you can Yeah. Co. We I get it. But when you can Yeah. Co. >> Co. Okay. I love that. Um, are you do >> Co. Okay. I love that. Um, are you do >> Co. Okay. I love that. Um, are you do you have a favorite part of your work? you have a favorite part of your work? you have a favorite part of your work? >> That's so hard. I was >> That's so hard. I was >> That's so hard. I was >> a favorite, not the favorite. >> a favorite, not the favorite. >> a favorite, not the favorite. >> I know. I was just talking to a friend >> I know. I was just talking to a friend >> I know. I was just talking to a friend of mine and I'm like, I love everything. of mine and I'm like, I love everything. of mine and I'm like, I love everything. I want to create everything. I have so I want to create everything. I have so I want to create everything. I have so many ideas and just being here in this many ideas and just being here in this many ideas and just being here in this space, I'm getting so many ideas. space, I'm getting so many ideas. space, I'm getting so many ideas. >> I think what >> I think what >> I think what >> from the watching the talks and >> from the watching the talks and >> from the watching the talks and >> listening to the speakers and listening >> listening to the speakers and listening >> listening to the speakers and listening and seeing some of the work they're and seeing some of the work they're and seeing some of the work they're doing because some of the videos they're doing because some of the videos they're doing because some of the videos they're showing and the work they're doing and showing and the work they're doing and showing and the work they're doing and then just walking around and creating then just walking around and creating then just walking around and creating with the Lego pieces. I mean, I'm just with the Lego pieces. I mean, I'm just with the Lego pieces. I mean, I'm just like focused. I was so focused on like focused. I was so focused on like focused. I was so focused on creating my initial and I finally got creating my initial and I finally got creating my initial and I finally got it, but and then I lost it somewhere it, but and then I lost it somewhere it, but and then I lost it somewhere along the way. I lost it, along the way. I lost it, along the way. I lost it, >> but it's okay. But it was it just felt >> but it's okay. But it was it just felt >> but it's okay. But it was it just felt so good and I love that part, the play.

so good and I love that part, the play. so good and I love that part, the play. So, for me, I think my favorite part is So, for me, I think my favorite part is So, for me, I think my favorite part is connecting with children, really being connecting with children, really being connecting with children, really being hands-on, whether it's through the hands-on, whether it's through the hands-on, whether it's through the screen and doing private lessons or screen and doing private lessons or screen and doing private lessons or whether it's doing events and whether it's doing events and whether it's doing events and experiences in person. experiences in person. experiences in person. >> Yeah. Just being there with the >> Yeah. Just being there with the >> Yeah. Just being there with the children. children. children. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. Well, does and so play is >> Oh my gosh. Well, does and so play is >> Oh my gosh. Well, does and so play is obviously an essential part of your obviously an essential part of your obviously an essential part of your work. It's a how you teach. It's a way work. It's a how you teach. It's a way work. It's a how you teach. It's a way uh you believe that it's a part of how uh you believe that it's a part of how uh you believe that it's a part of how people can learn. Um does it sneak its people can learn. Um does it sneak its people can learn. Um does it sneak its way into other parts of your life? way into other parts of your life? way into other parts of your life? >> It does. I wish it did more, but I am >> It does. I wish it did more, but I am >> It does. I wish it did more, but I am I'm actually determined to allow it to I'm actually determined to allow it to I'm actually determined to allow it to sneak it sneak its way into my life a sneak it sneak its way into my life a sneak it sneak its way into my life a little bit more. little bit more. little bit more. >> We you know, we've been hearing that >> We you know, we've been hearing that >> We you know, we've been hearing that from a lot of people today. I think from a lot of people today. I think from a lot of people today. I think that's a challenge for all of us to find that's a challenge for all of us to find that's a challenge for all of us to find more ways to incorporate play into our more ways to incorporate play into our more ways to incorporate play into our lives. lives. lives. >> So true. We have to. It is so so >> So true. We have to. It is so so >> So true. We have to. It is so so important. important. important. >> But is there is there a way do you have >> But is there is there a way do you have >> But is there is there a way do you have a something that makes you feel playful? a something that makes you feel playful? a something that makes you feel playful? I mean it could be your work or I mean it could be your work or I mean it could be your work or >> of course my work in creating the >> of course my work in creating the >> of course my work in creating the activities that we're going to do activities that we're going to do activities that we're going to do because I usually have to create them because I usually have to create them because I usually have to create them first. So I have a private kindergarten first. So I have a private kindergarten first. So I have a private kindergarten class. I teach it as virtually but we class. I teach it as virtually but we class. I teach it as virtually but we were working on the STEM project. For were working on the STEM project. For were working on the STEM project. For eight weeks we were building different eight weeks we were building different eight weeks we were building different projects but for eight weeks we were projects but for eight weeks we were projects but for eight weeks we were building projects that I showed them. So building projects that I showed them. So building projects that I showed them. So let's build this together. How do we do let's build this together. How do we do let's build this together. How do we do it? And then the last two weeks it's it? And then the last two weeks it's it? And then the last two weeks it's been their designs. they're sitting down been their designs. they're sitting down been their designs. they're sitting down and designing and putting it together.

and designing and putting it together. and designing and putting it together. And so what was so fun is that on And so what was so fun is that on And so what was so fun is that on Wednesday we built two of their projects Wednesday we built two of their projects Wednesday we built two of their projects in class and that was so much fun. So in class and that was so much fun. So in class and that was so much fun. So that was fun because I get to play and that was fun because I get to play and that was fun because I get to play and figure out these projects before figure out these projects before figure out these projects before >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> before I get into the classroom. So >> before I get into the classroom. So >> before I get into the classroom. So that's fun. And then I love to collage. that's fun. And then I love to collage. that's fun. And then I love to collage. That's play for me. That's play for me. That's play for me. >> Collage. >> Collage. >> Collage. >> That's play for me. >> That's play for me. >> That's play for me. >> Wait, can you talk us through the >> Wait, can you talk us through the >> Wait, can you talk us through the collage a little? collage a little? collage a little? >> I do. Okay. So as a little girl, I used >> I do. Okay. So as a little girl, I used >> I do. Okay. So as a little girl, I used to always collage magazines because I to always collage magazines because I to always collage magazines because I grew up in the 80s. So magazines galore. grew up in the 80s. So magazines galore. grew up in the 80s. So magazines galore. I used to cut out pictures of magazines I used to cut out pictures of magazines I used to cut out pictures of magazines of just anything. It could be because I of just anything. It could be because I of just anything. It could be because I love the color of purple and I just cut love the color of purple and I just cut love the color of purple and I just cut out different things purple and make out different things purple and make out different things purple and make post I would make poster boards, put post I would make poster boards, put post I would make poster boards, put them around my room. them around my room. them around my room. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And so now I don't do the poster boards >> And so now I don't do the poster boards >> And so now I don't do the poster boards because my husband would be like, "What because my husband would be like, "What because my husband would be like, "What is this? What is this?" So now I have is this? What is this?" So now I have is this? What is this?" So now I have >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I have a gigantic collage book. It's >> But I have a gigantic collage book. It's >> But I have a gigantic collage book. It's huge. It's like a art book. I went to a huge. It's like a art book. I went to a huge. It's like a art book. I went to a art store to get it. art store to get it. art store to get it. >> Gosh. >> Gosh. >> Gosh. >> And then I just The pages are empty. So >> And then I just The pages are empty. So >> And then I just The pages are empty. So I guess the collage when I get I go buy I guess the collage when I get I go buy I guess the collage when I get I go buy a whole bunch of magazines when I get in a whole bunch of magazines when I get in a whole bunch of magazines when I get in the mood. And that's fun for me. That's the mood. And that's fun for me. That's the mood. And that's fun for me. That's a Sunday afternoon fun. a Sunday afternoon fun. a Sunday afternoon fun. >> I don't do it enough. Yeah. Is it? And >> I don't do it enough. Yeah. Is it? And >> I don't do it enough. Yeah. Is it? And then you're you're looking for that kind then you're you're looking for that kind then you're you're looking for that kind of flow state. of flow state. of flow state. >> It's a flow. It's like whatever's on my >> It's a flow. It's like whatever's on my >> It's a flow. It's like whatever's on my mind. It could be I want to travel more.

mind. It could be I want to travel more. mind. It could be I want to travel more. It could be I'm just feeling the color It could be I'm just feeling the color It could be I'm just feeling the color pink this season. I'm going to find pink this season. I'm going to find pink this season. I'm going to find everything pink. Anything. everything pink. Anything. everything pink. Anything. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> Yeah, that's that's >> Yeah, that's that's >> Yeah, that's that's >> I want to get back into collaging. It >> I want to get back into collaging. It >> I want to get back into collaging. It does feel like something like from does feel like something like from does feel like something like from childhood. childhood. childhood. >> And stickers. Do you like stickers? >> And stickers. Do you like stickers? >> And stickers. Do you like stickers? >> I love stickers. >> I love stickers. >> I love stickers. >> Yes. Why did I think we were >> Yes. Why did I think we were >> Yes. Why did I think we were >> I don't know how to I feel like I've >> I don't know how to I feel like I've >> I don't know how to I feel like I've forgotten how to use stickers. I don't forgotten how to use stickers. I don't forgotten how to use stickers. I don't know. know. know. >> Collage with stickers, too. in the >> Collage with stickers, too. in the >> Collage with stickers, too. in the collage. collage. collage. >> Yeah. For me, cuz I'm not I mean, I know >> Yeah. For me, cuz I'm not I mean, I know >> Yeah. For me, cuz I'm not I mean, I know a lot of people journal and they'll use a lot of people journal and they'll use a lot of people journal and they'll use it that way. Yes. Or they plan planners. it that way. Yes. Or they plan planners. it that way. Yes. Or they plan planners. I'm not a planner. Yeah. But I'm not a planner. Yeah. But I'm not a planner. Yeah. But >> Yeah. That doesn't >> Yeah. That doesn't >> Yeah. That doesn't >> I'm not a planner girl, right? Yeah. I >> I'm not a planner girl, right? Yeah. I >> I'm not a planner girl, right? Yeah. I love planners, but I'm not a planner. I love planners, but I'm not a planner. I love planners, but I'm not a planner. I just want it for the stickers, just want it for the stickers, just want it for the stickers, >> but I just put them in my collages. >> but I just put them in my collages. >> but I just put them in my collages. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, yeah. >> So, yeah. >> So, yeah. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Yeah. I love stickers. >> Yeah. I love stickers. >> Yeah. I love stickers. >> Um Well, so and do you you have videos >> Um Well, so and do you you have videos >> Um Well, so and do you you have videos on everything from letters, colors, on everything from letters, colors, on everything from letters, colors, morning routines. That's my fave. Um, do morning routines. That's my fave. Um, do morning routines. That's my fave. Um, do you have uh a favorite video or a you have uh a favorite video or a you have uh a favorite video or a favorite song or favorite song or favorite song or >> That is hard. >> That is hard. >> That is hard. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Okay. If my husband was here, he would >> Okay. If my husband was here, he would >> Okay. If my husband was here, he would tell you every song's her favorite song. tell you every song's her favorite song. tell you every song's her favorite song. She says that. She says that. She says that. >> Good for you. >> Good for you. >> Good for you. >> I of course the Good Morning Train is >> I of course the Good Morning Train is >> I of course the Good Morning Train is always going to be a hit because that is always going to be a hit because that is always going to be a hit because that is something I used to literally sing in something I used to literally sing in something I used to literally sing in the classroom with students. Uh, and the classroom with students. Uh, and the classroom with students. Uh, and then I would probably say they're all my then I would probably say they're all my then I would probably say they're all my favorite. Maybe Little Star. Little Star favorite. Maybe Little Star. Little Star favorite. Maybe Little Star. Little Star because it's my my my take on Twinkle.

because it's my my my take on Twinkle. because it's my my my take on Twinkle. That's beautiful. Oh my gosh. Well, it's That's beautiful. Oh my gosh. Well, it's That's beautiful. Oh my gosh. Well, it's good that you love what you do. good that you love what you do. good that you love what you do. >> I think that's probably helpful. >> I think that's probably helpful. >> I think that's probably helpful. >> I do. >> I do. >> I do. >> Amazing. Well, thank you so much, >> Amazing. Well, thank you so much, >> Amazing. Well, thank you so much, Monica, for joining us here in the Monica, for joining us here in the Monica, for joining us here in the studio. Such a pleasure. studio. Such a pleasure. studio. Such a pleasure. >> Um, all right. Well, let's see. Next up, >> Um, all right. Well, let's see. Next up, >> Um, all right. Well, let's see. Next up, >> oh, you know what? I'm actually gonna >> oh, you know what? I'm actually gonna >> oh, you know what? I'm actually gonna ask Alex to come back up and join me. ask Alex to come back up and join me. ask Alex to come back up and join me. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, sounds good. >> Yeah, sounds good. >> Yeah, sounds good. >> Thank you so much. And we'll see you. >> Thank you so much. And we'll see you. >> Thank you so much. And we'll see you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> See you all soon. >> See you all soon. >> See you all soon. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> Take care. Alex, get back in here. Alex, get back in here. Alex, get back in here. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> How are you doing? >> How are you doing? >> How are you doing? >> I'm doing great. How are you doing? >> I'm doing great. How are you doing? >> I'm doing great. How are you doing? >> I'm doing great. I have to tell you, I >> I'm doing great. I have to tell you, I >> I'm doing great. I have to tell you, I was admiring your Lego work. was admiring your Lego work. was admiring your Lego work. >> Oh, thank you. >> Oh, thank you. >> Oh, thank you. >> And everyone's spelling work. Um, >> And everyone's spelling work. Um, >> And everyone's spelling work. Um, >> impressive spelling work. >> impressive spelling work. >> impressive spelling work. >> Yes. Really work. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Really work. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Really work. Yeah. Yeah. >> I forgot how fun spelling is. >> I forgot how fun spelling is. >> I forgot how fun spelling is. >> Yeah, they don't teach you that in >> Yeah, they don't teach you that in >> Yeah, they don't teach you that in school. school. school. >> They teach you the spelling, but not the >> They teach you the spelling, but not the >> They teach you the spelling, but not the fun part. fun part. fun part. >> It's It's so wacky. English is so wacky. >> It's It's so wacky. English is so wacky. >> It's It's so wacky. English is so wacky. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Okay. Wait. So, I have it on good >> Okay. Wait. So, I have it on good >> Okay. Wait. So, I have it on good authority that you have an adorable authority that you have an adorable authority that you have an adorable baby. And the authority was your baby baby. And the authority was your baby baby. And the authority was your baby because I was cuddling her the other because I was cuddling her the other because I was cuddling her the other night and she was the sweetest little night and she was the sweetest little night and she was the sweetest little person.

person. person. >> She is. >> She is. >> She is. >> Um, so I want to talk So, so >> Um, so I want to talk So, so >> Um, so I want to talk So, so >> and you have an adorable little baby who >> and you have an adorable little baby who >> and you have an adorable little baby who I still think of as a baby even though I still think of as a baby even though I still think of as a baby even though she's she's she's >> baby almost sixyear-old always be my >> baby almost sixyear-old always be my >> baby almost sixyear-old always be my baby. I want to talk about what play baby. I want to talk about what play baby. I want to talk about what play looks like in your life. looks like in your life. looks like in your life. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah, let's do it. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah, let's do it. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah, let's do it. >> Let's do it. Um, well, my little baby is >> Let's do it. Um, well, my little baby is >> Let's do it. Um, well, my little baby is five months old, so she she is five months old, so she she is five months old, so she she is >> such big cheeks. >> such big cheeks. >> such big cheeks. >> Yeah, she does. Oh my gosh, she's um not >> Yeah, she does. Oh my gosh, she's um not >> Yeah, she does. Oh my gosh, she's um not watching, but love you, babe. Um, we watching, but love you, babe. Um, we watching, but love you, babe. Um, we just actually last night I got her this. just actually last night I got her this. just actually last night I got her this. She's teething, so I got her one of She's teething, so I got her one of She's teething, so I got her one of these little like rubber teething balls, these little like rubber teething balls, these little like rubber teething balls, and she was she was getting like really and she was she was getting like really and she was she was getting like really frustrated by it. Like she really wanted frustrated by it. Like she really wanted frustrated by it. Like she really wanted to get in there, but it wasn't doing to get in there, but it wasn't doing to get in there, but it wasn't doing anything for her. And so then I got down anything for her. And so then I got down anything for her. And so then I got down on her level and I put the other end in on her level and I put the other end in on her level and I put the other end in my mouth and we were kind of doing this my mouth and we were kind of doing this my mouth and we were kind of doing this like tugof-war thing that was like kind like tugof-war thing that was like kind like tugof-war thing that was like kind of like two dogs. This this doesn't of like two dogs. This this doesn't of like two dogs. This this doesn't sound like fun. It was She laughed. sound like fun. It was She laughed. sound like fun. It was She laughed. >> We have a teething toy right over here. >> We have a teething toy right over here. >> We have a teething toy right over here. Should Should Should >> we do it?

>> we do it? >> we do it? >> I don't think so. >> I don't think so. >> I don't think so. >> Um but no, she laughed for the first >> Um but no, she laughed for the first >> Um but no, she laughed for the first time. time. time. >> The first time ever? >> The first time ever? >> The first time ever? >> I have very distinct mo memories of my >> I have very distinct mo memories of my >> I have very distinct mo memories of my my daughter laughing for the first time. my daughter laughing for the first time. my daughter laughing for the first time. You did it. You did it. You did it. >> She did. It was just playing this very >> She did. It was just playing this very >> She did. It was just playing this very silly. silly. silly. >> That's the specialist moment. >> That's the specialist moment. >> That's the specialist moment. >> And I have to tell you, her laugh, it's >> And I have to tell you, her laugh, it's >> And I have to tell you, her laugh, it's not like a cute little like baby giggle. not like a cute little like baby giggle. not like a cute little like baby giggle. It's like this. It's like this. It's like this. >> That's what Jenny's first laugh was >> That's what Jenny's first laugh was >> That's what Jenny's first laugh was like, too. I was like I was like like, too. I was like I was like like, too. I was like I was like crouching down behind a box and I had a crouching down behind a box and I had a crouching down behind a box and I had a little toy bunny and I was like going little toy bunny and I was like going little toy bunny and I was like going back and forth like that. back and forth like that. back and forth like that. >> And she just got the laugh and I was >> And she just got the laugh and I was >> And she just got the laugh and I was like, "Okay." Yes. like, "Okay." Yes. like, "Okay." Yes. >> She's like this guy. >> She's like this guy. >> She's like this guy. >> And like it was basically the high that >> And like it was basically the high that >> And like it was basically the high that I chase every time that I play with her. I chase every time that I play with her. I chase every time that I play with her. But yeah, it was like this chord. It But yeah, it was like this chord. It But yeah, it was like this chord. It wasn't just like wasn't just like wasn't just like >> and that's how you know you really got >> and that's how you know you really got >> and that's how you know you really got you really got them. you really got them. you really got them. >> I love it. Yeah. I mean, I guess the >> I love it. Yeah. I mean, I guess the >> I love it. Yeah. I mean, I guess the lesson is there. It was about getting lesson is there. It was about getting lesson is there. It was about getting down on the same level a little bit. down on the same level a little bit. down on the same level a little bit. >> Yeah. I actually wear out the the the uh >> Yeah. I actually wear out the the the uh >> Yeah. I actually wear out the the the uh the knees of every pair of jeans I have. the knees of every pair of jeans I have. the knees of every pair of jeans I have. >> That's beautiful. >> That's beautiful. >> That's beautiful. >> Yeah. Yeah. Unless you >> Yeah. Yeah. Unless you >> Yeah. Yeah. Unless you >> keep them all your jeans with >> keep them all your jeans with >> keep them all your jeans with >> Yeah. Exactly. as a record of like the >> Yeah. Exactly. as a record of like the >> Yeah. Exactly. as a record of like the play that we do together. Yeah. No, I play that we do together. Yeah. No, I play that we do together. Yeah. No, I think that getting down on the level is think that getting down on the level is think that getting down on the level is is a thing to do. down a level and also is a thing to do. down a level and also is a thing to do. down a level and also like making sure you're having fun which like making sure you're having fun which like making sure you're having fun which I feel like came up again and again I feel like came up again and again I feel like came up again and again today. It's like you know there there's today. It's like you know there there's today. It's like you know there there's this pressure to create fun for children this pressure to create fun for children this pressure to create fun for children when we're talking about learning and when we're talking about learning and when we're talking about learning and being with kids but also like find ways being with kids but also like find ways being with kids but also like find ways for for to have fun yourself and that for for to have fun yourself and that for for to have fun yourself and that like in informs the like in informs the like in informs the >> Yeah, I'm sure feed off of each other's >> Yeah, I'm sure feed off of each other's >> Yeah, I'm sure feed off of each other's energy of of having having a great time.

energy of of having having a great time. energy of of having having a great time. It's also just like It's also just like It's also just like >> such an exercise in improvisation, >> such an exercise in improvisation, >> such an exercise in improvisation, especially the older they get of like especially the older they get of like especially the older they get of like just like, okay, first of all, I need to just like, okay, first of all, I need to just like, okay, first of all, I need to make a game out of the random supplies make a game out of the random supplies make a game out of the random supplies that I have around what are we going to that I have around what are we going to that I have around what are we going to do? But then also just like the the yes do? But then also just like the the yes do? But then also just like the the yes anding and like teaching teaching the anding and like teaching teaching the anding and like teaching teaching the child to yesand. child to yesand. child to yesand. >> Yes, the yesanding. >> Yes, the yesanding. >> Yes, the yesanding. >> No, no, buts. >> No, no, buts. >> No, no, buts. >> No, no butts. Um, yeah, I have like the >> No, no butts. Um, yeah, I have like the >> No, no butts. Um, yeah, I have like the most like imaginative play focused child most like imaginative play focused child most like imaginative play focused child ever. ever. ever. >> Oh my gosh. We have a a a magnetile >> Oh my gosh. We have a a a magnetile >> Oh my gosh. We have a a a magnetile castle in the living room next to a castle in the living room next to a castle in the living room next to a Duplo brick castle over here. Duplo brick castle over here. Duplo brick castle over here. >> And >> And >> And >> are they friends or enemies? >> are they friends or enemies? >> are they friends or enemies? >> No, they're enemies, of course. Um, and >> No, they're enemies, of course. Um, and >> No, they're enemies, of course. Um, and so I have to be the the evil princesses so I have to be the the evil princesses so I have to be the the evil princesses who are trying to overthrow and who are trying to overthrow and who are trying to overthrow and infiltrate the Magnetile Castle. It's infiltrate the Magnetile Castle. It's infiltrate the Magnetile Castle. It's basically like a episodic show that we basically like a episodic show that we basically like a episodic show that we have going on. One of the guys, they're have going on. One of the guys, they're have going on. One of the guys, they're like, I'm a musician coming to play at like, I'm a musician coming to play at like, I'm a musician coming to play at your castle. They come in and then like your castle. They come in and then like your castle. They come in and then like they get unmasked and they get they got they get unmasked and they get they got they get unmasked and they get they got tossed back over. tossed back over. tossed back over. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. We haven't gotten >> Oh my gosh. Okay. We haven't gotten >> Oh my gosh. Okay. We haven't gotten there yet with uh my daughter, but I there yet with uh my daughter, but I there yet with uh my daughter, but I cannot wait.

cannot wait. cannot wait. >> Yeah. Did you have like games that were >> Yeah. Did you have like games that were >> Yeah. Did you have like games that were special to you as a child? special to you as a child? special to you as a child? >> Yeah. I mean, we played a lot of like I >> Yeah. I mean, we played a lot of like I >> Yeah. I mean, we played a lot of like I love the schoolyard games. They were so love the schoolyard games. They were so love the schoolyard games. They were so silly. Like I remember my my friends and silly. Like I remember my my friends and silly. Like I remember my my friends and I my class got lost in this game for I my class got lost in this game for I my class got lost in this game for like I want to say a month where we were like I want to say a month where we were like I want to say a month where we were just collecting acorns just collecting acorns just collecting acorns and hiding them. So like I guess we were and hiding them. So like I guess we were and hiding them. So like I guess we were playing squirrel. I don't know. playing squirrel. I don't know. playing squirrel. I don't know. >> We were hiding them in different places >> We were hiding them in different places >> We were hiding them in different places and we thought it was like very cool and we thought it was like very cool and we thought it was like very cool like edgy like I've got this stash of like edgy like I've got this stash of like edgy like I've got this stash of acorns under this trash can in the acorns under this trash can in the acorns under this trash can in the schoolyard. schoolyard. schoolyard. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, I love those like big group >> But yeah, I love those like big group >> But yeah, I love those like big group games that you would come up to with games that you would come up to with games that you would come up to with together. And Yeah. together. And Yeah. together. And Yeah. like a forest that's grown like a forest that's grown like a forest that's grown >> from that game. >> from that game. >> from that game. >> No, no. Uh, no. Actually, I remember the >> No, no. Uh, no. Actually, I remember the >> No, no. Uh, no. Actually, I remember the day that the janitor uh moved the trash day that the janitor uh moved the trash day that the janitor uh moved the trash can and found all our acorn. can and found all our acorn. can and found all our acorn. >> Oh, no. Like, we got to clean this up. >> Oh, no. Like, we got to clean this up. >> Oh, no. Like, we got to clean this up. >> Oh, was that a tragic? >> Oh, was that a tragic? >> Oh, was that a tragic? >> Yeah. No, we moved on. I think to Beanie >> Yeah. No, we moved on. I think to Beanie >> Yeah. No, we moved on. I think to Beanie Babies, I want to say it was the 90s. Babies, I want to say it was the 90s. Babies, I want to say it was the 90s. >> That was a time. Pogs. Do you remember >> That was a time. Pogs. Do you remember >> That was a time. Pogs. Do you remember Pogs?

Pogs? Pogs? >> Oh, yes. >> Oh, yes. >> Oh, yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I never understood. >> I never understood. >> I never understood. >> I never played Pogs. I just collected. I >> I never played Pogs. I just collected. I >> I never played Pogs. I just collected. I had a giant tube full of them. had a giant tube full of them. had a giant tube full of them. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Yeah. I Well, okay. I guess I remember >> Yeah. I Well, okay. I guess I remember >> Yeah. I Well, okay. I guess I remember that from my childhood. that from my childhood. that from my childhood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I have like so little memories of my >> But I have like so little memories of my >> But I have like so little memories of my childhood. childhood. childhood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But um Okay. But here So here's another >> But um Okay. But here So here's another >> But um Okay. But here So here's another game that Jenny and I play. game that Jenny and I play. game that Jenny and I play. >> Um so we will make escape rooms for each >> Um so we will make escape rooms for each >> Um so we will make escape rooms for each other in our basement. other in our basement. other in our basement. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Um we usually work together and we make >> Um we usually work together and we make >> Um we usually work together and we make it for my wife Bethany. Um and we take it for my wife Bethany. Um and we take it for my wife Bethany. Um and we take turns, but like it's just like sort of a turns, but like it's just like sort of a turns, but like it's just like sort of a design project where we come up with the design project where we come up with the design project where we come up with the theme and the puzzles together. A lot of theme and the puzzles together. A lot of theme and the puzzles together. A lot of construction construction construction >> people live in your house. >> people live in your house. >> people live in your house. >> Yeah. Well, you won't be able to escape >> Yeah. Well, you won't be able to escape >> Yeah. Well, you won't be able to escape it. I mean, okay. No, you're very smart. it. I mean, okay. No, you're very smart. it. I mean, okay. No, you're very smart. You You're very Yeah, but you'll be You You're very Yeah, but you'll be You You're very Yeah, but you'll be surprised when surprised when surprised when >> when I get stuck. >> when I get stuck. >> when I get stuck. >> It's like a good locked in the basement >> It's like a good locked in the basement >> It's like a good locked in the basement experience. experience. experience. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that's a fun. I highly >> Yeah. So, that's a fun. I highly >> Yeah. So, that's a fun. I highly recommend that one. Um Yeah. Just recommend that one. Um Yeah. Just recommend that one. Um Yeah. Just anything. We also um we watched uh I I anything. We also um we watched uh I I anything. We also um we watched uh I I introduced her to Legends of the Hidden introduced her to Legends of the Hidden introduced her to Legends of the Hidden Temple. Temple. Temple. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Um great show. >> Um great show. >> Um great show. >> Great show. >> Great show. >> Great show. >> Yeah. Still holds up. First of all, >> Yeah. Still holds up. First of all, >> Yeah. Still holds up. First of all, somebody should make if you're out there somebody should make if you're out there somebody should make if you're out there and you're thinking about a show to and you're thinking about a show to and you're thinking about a show to make, probably Legends of the Hidden make, probably Legends of the Hidden make, probably Legends of the Hidden Temple. Um, but then we had to make our Temple. Um, but then we had to make our Temple. Um, but then we had to make our own episode. And um, and so like we we own episode. And um, and so like we we own episode. And um, and so like we we designed it all. We we made teams and it designed it all. We we made teams and it designed it all. We we made teams and it just became like this great like just became like this great like just became like this great like imaginative play plus art object.

imaginative play plus art object. imaginative play plus art object. >> Oh my gosh, I love it. Well, okay. And >> Oh my gosh, I love it. Well, okay. And >> Oh my gosh, I love it. Well, okay. And Alex is a game designer. So, um, and has Alex is a game designer. So, um, and has Alex is a game designer. So, um, and has designed many games for TED on designed many games for TED on designed many games for TED on ted.com/games. ted.com/games. ted.com/games. >> Yeah. Do you want to play a game? >> Yeah. Do you want to play a game? >> Yeah. Do you want to play a game? >> Let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> Okay. Let's let's play the let's play >> Okay. Let's let's play the let's play >> Okay. Let's let's play the let's play the purring test. the purring test. the purring test. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um this was our first game. >> Um this was our first game. >> Um this was our first game. >> So the the premise of the purring test, >> So the the premise of the purring test, >> So the the premise of the purring test, it's really a game about teaching about it's really a game about teaching about it's really a game about teaching about AI, like teaching people to recognize it AI, like teaching people to recognize it AI, like teaching people to recognize it and also trying to get in the head of and also trying to get in the head of and also trying to get in the head of AI. Like because of its blackbox nature, AI. Like because of its blackbox nature, AI. Like because of its blackbox nature, trying to wrap your head around like trying to wrap your head around like trying to wrap your head around like what is it? It's not thinking, but like what is it? It's not thinking, but like what is it? It's not thinking, but like why is it making the decision? And like why is it making the decision? And like why is it making the decision? And like it's it's about how weird AI is. It's it's it's about how weird AI is. It's it's it's about how weird AI is. It's not about like how like wow look at not about like how like wow look at not about like how like wow look at these amazing things. It's like these amazing things. It's like these amazing things. It's like >> like reconciling with the weirdness of >> like reconciling with the weirdness of >> like reconciling with the weirdness of it. So, it's like a guessing game it. So, it's like a guessing game it. So, it's like a guessing game >> where >> where >> where >> I love a guessing game. >> I love a guessing game. >> I love a guessing game. >> Um, you So, you're going to get a series >> Um, you So, you're going to get a series >> Um, you So, you're going to get a series of clues. So, in this this one, the of clues. So, in this this one, the of clues. So, in this this one, the answer is a thing. answer is a thing. answer is a thing. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, and so there are three clues that we >> Um, and so there are three clues that we >> Um, and so there are three clues that we can draw from. Um, the first is write a can draw from. Um, the first is write a can draw from. Um, the first is write a riddle about this thing. Draw this thing riddle about this thing. Draw this thing riddle about this thing. Draw this thing as a cat. Everything level has a cat. as a cat. Everything level has a cat. as a cat. Everything level has a cat. And create a jewelry collection inspired And create a jewelry collection inspired And create a jewelry collection inspired by this thing. Go. What would you like by this thing. Go. What would you like by this thing. Go. What would you like to see?

to see? to see? >> Well, I think we have to start with a >> Well, I think we have to start with a >> Well, I think we have to start with a cat. cat. cat. >> Okay. Let's start with a cat, please. >> Okay. Let's start with a cat, please. >> Okay. Let's start with a cat, please. >> I'm gonna do it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I I have a guess. I haven't played this >> I I have a guess. I haven't played this >> I I have a guess. I haven't played this level. level. level. >> Oh, wait. I might >> Oh, wait. I might >> Oh, wait. I might >> You want to guess? >> You want to guess? >> You want to guess? >> An emoji. >> An emoji. >> An emoji. >> I think so. That's That was my guess as >> I think so. That's That was my guess as >> I think so. That's That was my guess as well. well. well. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Hey. Okay. That's so They're They're >> Hey. Okay. That's so They're They're >> Hey. Okay. That's so They're They're increasing order of difficulty. And increasing order of difficulty. And increasing order of difficulty. And please play along with us in the please play along with us in the please play along with us in the comments. comments. comments. >> Can I just read this? >> Can I just read this? >> Can I just read this? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. The riddle. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. The riddle. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. The riddle. >> I'm not a word yet. I help you say how >> I'm not a word yet. I help you say how >> I'm not a word yet. I help you say how you feel in a fun little way. Smiling or you feel in a fun little way. Smiling or you feel in a fun little way. Smiling or crying, I show it with cheer. What am I? crying, I show it with cheer. What am I? crying, I show it with cheer. What am I? >> An emoji. >> An emoji. >> An emoji. >> An emoji, doesn't it? I wanted it to >> An emoji, doesn't it? I wanted it to >> An emoji, doesn't it? I wanted it to arrive. Yeah. arrive. Yeah. arrive. Yeah. >> Thank you, Alex. >> Thank you, Alex. >> Thank you, Alex. >> Okay. You want to see? Okay. Next level. >> Okay. You want to see? Okay. Next level. >> Okay. You want to see? Okay. Next level. >> Well, I think we might. The folks in the >> Well, I think we might. The folks in the >> Well, I think we might. The folks in the theater might be heading back. I guess theater might be heading back. I guess theater might be heading back. I guess they are. Yeah. We have to get ready they are. Yeah. We have to get ready they are. Yeah. We have to get ready to stage. I know. Once we disappear, to stage. I know. Once we disappear, to stage. I know. Once we disappear, we're just going to be sitting here we're just going to be sitting here we're just going to be sitting here playing games, y'all. playing games, y'all. playing games, y'all. >> It's true. >> It's true. >> It's true. >> Yeah. But, uh, yeah, the folks are >> Yeah. But, uh, yeah, the folks are >> Yeah. But, uh, yeah, the folks are heading back in now. So, the stage show heading back in now. So, the stage show heading back in now. So, the stage show is about to start. Um, and uh, but we're is about to start. Um, and uh, but we're is about to start. Um, and uh, but we're we're going to wrap up here for now, but we're going to wrap up here for now, but we're going to wrap up here for now, but we'll be back. So, don't go anywhere.

we'll be back. So, don't go anywhere. we'll be back. So, don't go anywhere. >> Yeah. We got interviews. We got more >> Yeah. We got interviews. We got more >> Yeah. We got interviews. We got more games. We have a special performance games. We have a special performance games. We have a special performance coming up. coming up. coming up. >> We got live music. >> We got live music. >> We got live music. >> Yeah. In the meantime, you get to watch >> Yeah. In the meantime, you get to watch >> Yeah. In the meantime, you get to watch some really beautiful talks. You're some really beautiful talks. You're some really beautiful talks. You're going to laugh. You're going to cry. going to laugh. You're going to cry. going to laugh. You're going to cry. You're going to think. Uh I know. You're going to think. Uh I know. You're going to think. Uh I know. >> You're hopefully going to learn more >> You're hopefully going to learn more >> You're hopefully going to learn more about how to include play in your life. about how to include play in your life. about how to include play in your life. >> Indeed. So, without further ado, back to >> Indeed. So, without further ado, back to >> Indeed. So, without further ado, back to you, Chris. >> Hello. Hello to everyone in the room. >> Hello. Hello to everyone in the room. Hello to everyone on the live stream. Hello to everyone on the live stream. Hello to everyone on the live stream. This is session two. Play is a craft. This is session two. Play is a craft. This is session two. Play is a craft. And before we get started with this And before we get started with this And before we get started with this session, I want to just share a little session, I want to just share a little session, I want to just share a little bit more about our amazing TEDex bit more about our amazing TEDex bit more about our amazing TEDex community. TEDex is a global community community. TEDex is a global community community. TEDex is a global community of independently organized volunteer-run of independently organized volunteer-run of independently organized volunteer-run events that bring people together to events that bring people together to events that bring people together to share local ideas. Last year alone, the share local ideas. Last year alone, the share local ideas. Last year alone, the TEDex community hosted more than 4,000 TEDex community hosted more than 4,000 TEDex community hosted more than 4,000 events. and their TEDx play events are events. and their TEDx play events are events. and their TEDx play events are going to be kicking off next week in going to be kicking off next week in going to be kicking off next week in Indonesia, the UK, and Colombia, and Indonesia, the UK, and Colombia, and Indonesia, the UK, and Colombia, and will continue over the next year in will continue over the next year in will continue over the next year in places like Thailand, Ethiopia, places like Thailand, Ethiopia, places like Thailand, Ethiopia, Portugal, China, Australia, India, Portugal, China, Australia, India, Portugal, China, Australia, India, Brazil, and many more places all over Brazil, and many more places all over Brazil, and many more places all over the world. In our last session, we heard the world. In our last session, we heard the world. In our last session, we heard about our desperate need for play and about our desperate need for play and about our desperate need for play and how powerful it can be. And in this how powerful it can be. And in this how powerful it can be. And in this session, we're going to see some amazing session, we're going to see some amazing session, we're going to see some amazing manifestations of what can happen when manifestations of what can happen when manifestations of what can happen when people center play in their lives. And people center play in their lives. And people center play in their lives. And personally, I have already been really personally, I have already been really personally, I have already been really inspired. I loved seeing all of the inspired. I loved seeing all of the inspired. I loved seeing all of the doodles that you all did on the uh the doodles that you all did on the uh the doodles that you all did on the uh the mural and um seeing Doodle Boy's work.

mural and um seeing Doodle Boy's work. mural and um seeing Doodle Boy's work. And I also wanted to just highlight um And I also wanted to just highlight um And I also wanted to just highlight um particularly how talented he is and how particularly how talented he is and how particularly how talented he is and how talented all of you are by contrasting talented all of you are by contrasting talented all of you are by contrasting your incredible doodles with um some your incredible doodles with um some your incredible doodles with um some doodles that I have been doing um over doodles that I have been doing um over doodles that I have been doing um over the past several years in my journal. I the past several years in my journal. I the past several years in my journal. I journal every morning and I um journal every morning and I um journal every morning and I um occasionally will uh draw a occasionally will uh draw a occasionally will uh draw a self-portrait with my eyes closed. Um, self-portrait with my eyes closed. Um, self-portrait with my eyes closed. Um, so here's an example of how I look to so here's an example of how I look to so here's an example of how I look to myself with my eyes closed. And then myself with my eyes closed. And then myself with my eyes closed. And then here's how I look to myself on my here's how I look to myself on my here's how I look to myself on my birthday. And then here's how I look to birthday. And then here's how I look to birthday. And then here's how I look to myself with my eyes closed as a dog for myself with my eyes closed as a dog for myself with my eyes closed as a dog for some reason. some reason. some reason. Unless you think like, "Oh, that's not a Unless you think like, "Oh, that's not a Unless you think like, "Oh, that's not a great drawing, Chris, because you're great drawing, Chris, because you're great drawing, Chris, because you're doodling with your eyes closed." Let me doodling with your eyes closed." Let me doodling with your eyes closed." Let me just show you my eyes open. Me trying my just show you my eyes open. Me trying my just show you my eyes open. Me trying my hardest. Okay. Still absolutely hardest. Okay. Still absolutely hardest. Okay. Still absolutely terrible. And even in my dream world, I terrible. And even in my dream world, I terrible. And even in my dream world, I still look exhausted and disheveled. So still look exhausted and disheveled. So still look exhausted and disheveled. So there you go. Um, you are very, very there you go. Um, you are very, very there you go. Um, you are very, very talented. You are all extremely talented talented. You are all extremely talented talented. You are all extremely talented and it is what a delight it is to get to and it is what a delight it is to get to and it is what a delight it is to get to play with you all today. Now, speaking play with you all today. Now, speaking play with you all today. Now, speaking of talent, our next speaker is a star of of talent, our next speaker is a star of of talent, our next speaker is a star of the stage. She is a lead actor on the the stage. She is a lead actor on the the stage. She is a lead actor on the British equivalent of Broadway. What I'm British equivalent of Broadway. What I'm British equivalent of Broadway. What I'm trying to say is this is a theater trying to say is this is a theater trying to say is this is a theater luminary and she is only 11 years old.

luminary and she is only 11 years old. luminary and she is only 11 years old. Please welcome Suki Hillier. Hi everyone. Today I want to talk about Hi everyone. Today I want to talk about imagination and theater. For the past imagination and theater. For the past imagination and theater. For the past year I've been playing Matilda at the year I've been playing Matilda at the year I've been playing Matilda at the Cambridge Theater in London's West End. Cambridge Theater in London's West End. Cambridge Theater in London's West End. The theater has 1,249 The theater has 1,249 The theater has 1,249 seats and it is almost full every single seats and it is almost full every single seats and it is almost full every single night. Matilda is based on the book by night. Matilda is based on the book by night. Matilda is based on the book by Rald Doll and a lot of you probably Rald Doll and a lot of you probably Rald Doll and a lot of you probably already know the story. It is about a already know the story. It is about a already know the story. It is about a brave little girl who even though she is brave little girl who even though she is brave little girl who even though she is bullied by her parents, uses her bullied by her parents, uses her bullied by her parents, uses her intelligence, courage, and magic to take intelligence, courage, and magic to take intelligence, courage, and magic to take control of her own life. Well, I am that control of her own life. Well, I am that control of her own life. Well, I am that Matilda alongside three other amazing Matilda alongside three other amazing Matilda alongside three other amazing girls. The four of us share the lead girls. The four of us share the lead girls. The four of us share the lead role, which is wonderful. But getting role, which is wonderful. But getting role, which is wonderful. But getting here was not exactly simple. I had to go here was not exactly simple. I had to go here was not exactly simple. I had to go through six rounds of auditions twice. through six rounds of auditions twice. through six rounds of auditions twice. The first time was in spring 2024. I The first time was in spring 2024. I The first time was in spring 2024. I made it all the way to the final round, made it all the way to the final round, made it all the way to the final round, but then got a really bad cold. I but then got a really bad cold. I but then got a really bad cold. I couldn't sing. I couldn't perform. So, I couldn't sing. I couldn't perform. So, I couldn't sing. I couldn't perform. So, I had to stop. Six months later, I had to had to stop. Six months later, I had to had to stop. Six months later, I had to go through the whole process all over go through the whole process all over go through the whole process all over again. And then came the hardest part, again. And then came the hardest part, again. And then came the hardest part, the waiting four whole weeks of not the waiting four whole weeks of not the waiting four whole weeks of not knowing. It felt like four years. But knowing. It felt like four years. But knowing. It felt like four years. But then finally, one day, the call came. I then finally, one day, the call came. I then finally, one day, the call came. I had been offered the role. I didn't know had been offered the role. I didn't know had been offered the role. I didn't know what to laugh or cry. So, I did both at what to laugh or cry. So, I did both at what to laugh or cry. So, I did both at the same time. Here's something I should the same time. Here's something I should the same time. Here's something I should tell you though. Matilda and I go way

tell you though. Matilda and I go way tell you though. Matilda and I go way back, long before auditions, long before back, long before auditions, long before back, long before auditions, long before any of this. I started watching the 1996 any of this. I started watching the 1996 any of this. I started watching the 1996 Matilda film when I was just three years Matilda film when I was just three years Matilda film when I was just three years old. I watched it over and over again. I old. I watched it over and over again. I old. I watched it over and over again. I would sit very still, staring at objects would sit very still, staring at objects would sit very still, staring at objects around the house and trying to make them around the house and trying to make them around the house and trying to make them wobble. So, when I finally got to step wobble. So, when I finally got to step wobble. So, when I finally got to step onto the real stage of the Cambridge onto the real stage of the Cambridge onto the real stage of the Cambridge Theater, I couldn't things with my eyes. Theater, I couldn't things with my eyes. Theater, I couldn't things with my eyes. Well, after seven years of staring at Well, after seven years of staring at Well, after seven years of staring at cups, three months of intensive cups, three months of intensive cups, three months of intensive rehearsals followed. every step, every rehearsals followed. every step, every rehearsals followed. every step, every line, every move again and again until I line, every move again and again until I line, every move again and again until I didn't have to think about it anymore. didn't have to think about it anymore. didn't have to think about it anymore. The cast and coaches were all so patient The cast and coaches were all so patient The cast and coaches were all so patient with me. Honestly, they deserved medals. with me. Honestly, they deserved medals. with me. Honestly, they deserved medals. But somewhere in all those hours, But somewhere in all those hours, But somewhere in all those hours, something had changed. something had changed. something had changed. I'd stopped trying to find Matilda I'd stopped trying to find Matilda I'd stopped trying to find Matilda because I realized she'd been inside me because I realized she'd been inside me because I realized she'd been inside me the whole time. She was the girl I've the whole time. She was the girl I've the whole time. She was the girl I've been dreaming about since I was three. I been dreaming about since I was three. I been dreaming about since I was three. I didn't become her. I just finally let didn't become her. I just finally let didn't become her. I just finally let her out. The theater itself is a world her out. The theater itself is a world her out. The theater itself is a world of its own. It has lights, painted of its own. It has lights, painted of its own. It has lights, painted walls, window frames, desks, and swings.

walls, window frames, desks, and swings. walls, window frames, desks, and swings. And there is a library where I can dive And there is a library where I can dive And there is a library where I can dive into my books and find the wonderful into my books and find the wonderful into my books and find the wonderful Mrs. Phelps waiting for me. There is my Mrs. Phelps waiting for me. There is my Mrs. Phelps waiting for me. There is my very kind Honey. And over there, sitting very kind Honey. And over there, sitting very kind Honey. And over there, sitting in front of the telly with my brother in front of the telly with my brother in front of the telly with my brother are my rather obnoxious parents. And are my rather obnoxious parents. And are my rather obnoxious parents. And somewhere lurking into the shadows is a somewhere lurking into the shadows is a somewhere lurking into the shadows is a terrifying Miss Trunch Bowl. terrifying Miss Trunch Bowl. terrifying Miss Trunch Bowl. Every night before the show starts, I Every night before the show starts, I Every night before the show starts, I stand backstage getting ready. In my stand backstage getting ready. In my stand backstage getting ready. In my mind, I think about Milda's life. Her mind, I think about Milda's life. Her mind, I think about Milda's life. Her love of books, her hatred of bullies, love of books, her hatred of bullies, love of books, her hatred of bullies, her courage to find her own way to fight her courage to find her own way to fight her courage to find her own way to fight back. I breathe in, I breathe out, and back. I breathe in, I breathe out, and back. I breathe in, I breathe out, and then I step onto the stage. And when I'm then I step onto the stage. And when I'm then I step onto the stage. And when I'm in the light, I am her. I'm brave enough in the light, I am her. I'm brave enough in the light, I am her. I'm brave enough to stand up to Miss Trunch Bull. When to stand up to Miss Trunch Bull. When to stand up to Miss Trunch Bull. When she grabs boy by his ears, I shout her she grabs boy by his ears, I shout her she grabs boy by his ears, I shout her with everything I have. My heart beats with everything I have. My heart beats with everything I have. My heart beats so fast, I can feel it. When my dad so fast, I can feel it. When my dad so fast, I can feel it. When my dad writes my books, I know I'm resilient writes my books, I know I'm resilient writes my books, I know I'm resilient and that I will get my own back. Glue and that I will get my own back. Glue and that I will get my own back. Glue his hat to his head. Dyier's hair green. his hat to his head. Dyier's hair green. his hat to his head. Dyier's hair green. Every time I have a hidden smile right Every time I have a hidden smile right Every time I have a hidden smile right here. I love standing on elevating here. I love standing on elevating here. I love standing on elevating bookstand during quiet. Everything's so bookstand during quiet. Everything's so bookstand during quiet. Everything's so still, so quiet. But my heart is still, so quiet. But my heart is still, so quiet. But my heart is pounding as I feel all Matilda's anger pounding as I feel all Matilda's anger pounding as I feel all Matilda's anger bursting out through my eyes. But things bursting out through my eyes. But things bursting out through my eyes. But things in life do not always go as planned. And in life do not always go as planned. And in life do not always go as planned. And the same is true on stage. One night the same is true on stage. One night the same is true on stage. One night during the scene where I hug Miss Honey during the scene where I hug Miss Honey during the scene where I hug Miss Honey because she'd offered me something no because she'd offered me something no because she'd offered me something no one else ever has. Kindness. I hug her one else ever has. Kindness. I hug her one else ever has. Kindness. I hug her very tightly. At that exact moment, Miss very tightly. At that exact moment, Miss very tightly. At that exact moment, Miss Trunchable ran in. We were supposed to Trunchable ran in. We were supposed to Trunchable ran in. We were supposed to spring apart. Except we couldn't because spring apart. Except we couldn't because spring apart. Except we couldn't because my hair was completely tangled into a

my hair was completely tangled into a my hair was completely tangled into a necklace. necklace. necklace. 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds of stage 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds of stage 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds of stage time feels rather long, let me tell you. time feels rather long, let me tell you. time feels rather long, let me tell you. But nobody panicked. We stayed calm. We But nobody panicked. We stayed calm. We But nobody panicked. We stayed calm. We stayed in the scene quietly. Very stayed in the scene quietly. Very stayed in the scene quietly. Very quietly, we untangled ourselves. I lost quietly, we untangled ourselves. I lost quietly, we untangled ourselves. I lost some hair and Miss Honey lost a some hair and Miss Honey lost a some hair and Miss Honey lost a necklace, but we carried on. The necklace, but we carried on. The necklace, but we carried on. The audience never noticed a thing. And most audience never noticed a thing. And most audience never noticed a thing. And most luckily, Miss Trunch wouldn't catch us luckily, Miss Trunch wouldn't catch us luckily, Miss Trunch wouldn't catch us either. You see, the stage and life are either. You see, the stage and life are either. You see, the stage and life are not so different. Because imagination not so different. Because imagination not so different. Because imagination isn't about escaping the real world. It isn't about escaping the real world. It isn't about escaping the real world. It is a way of building one. And when our is a way of building one. And when our is a way of building one. And when our imaginations work together, every imaginations work together, every imaginations work together, every character on that stage comes alive. the character on that stage comes alive. the character on that stage comes alive. the cast, the crew, and every single person cast, the crew, and every single person cast, the crew, and every single person in the audience all join in. That is in the audience all join in. That is in the audience all join in. That is when the real magic happens. I look out when the real magic happens. I look out when the real magic happens. I look out and see your shining faces back at me. I and see your shining faces back at me. I and see your shining faces back at me. I can see smiles. I can see tears. I hear can see smiles. I can see tears. I hear can see smiles. I can see tears. I hear you clapping so hard, as if you'd never you clapping so hard, as if you'd never you clapping so hard, as if you'd never want to leave Matilda's world. And want to leave Matilda's world. And want to leave Matilda's world. And honestly, neither do I. But at that honestly, neither do I. But at that honestly, neither do I. But at that moment, I want to give every single one moment, I want to give every single one moment, I want to give every single one of you the biggest hug and tell you of you the biggest hug and tell you of you the biggest hug and tell you Matilda loves you all. Thank you.

So incredible. I I'm truly I don't know So incredible. I I'm truly I don't know have anything to say other than how have anything to say other than how have anything to say other than how incredible she is. Um I am so excited incredible she is. Um I am so excited incredible she is. Um I am so excited for what we have coming up right next. for what we have coming up right next. for what we have coming up right next. Um, our next speaker is one of, in my Um, our next speaker is one of, in my Um, our next speaker is one of, in my opinion, the most exciting and talented opinion, the most exciting and talented opinion, the most exciting and talented designers in the entire world. He has designers in the entire world. He has designers in the entire world. He has elevated footwear to an art form. He's elevated footwear to an art form. He's elevated footwear to an art form. He's created iconic designs for everyone from created iconic designs for everyone from created iconic designs for everyone from Versace to Crocs, Puma, New Balance, and Versace to Crocs, Puma, New Balance, and Versace to Crocs, Puma, New Balance, and more. He's an industrial designer and a more. He's an industrial designer and a more. He's an industrial designer and a fine artist. And he is joining us for a fine artist. And he is joining us for a fine artist. And he is joining us for a live conversation on stage with Khloe live conversation on stage with Khloe live conversation on stage with Khloe Shasha Brooks, TED curator. Please Shasha Brooks, TED curator. Please Shasha Brooks, TED curator. Please welcome Cele. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for joining us. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for having me. >> So among many of your popular designs, >> So among many of your popular designs, >> So among many of your popular designs, you made Crocs cool and um this is you made Crocs cool and um this is you made Crocs cool and um this is called the Crocs Pock Clog based on your called the Crocs Pock Clog based on your called the Crocs Pock Clog based on your own fingerprint mold. And what I love is own fingerprint mold. And what I love is own fingerprint mold. And what I love is that Crocs reach out to you asking if that Crocs reach out to you asking if that Crocs reach out to you asking if they could send you some shoes and you they could send you some shoes and you they could send you some shoes and you said how about we actually collaborate said how about we actually collaborate said how about we actually collaborate instead and they said yes. So once they instead and they said yes. So once they instead and they said yes. So once they said yes, how did you decide to do this said yes, how did you decide to do this said yes, how did you decide to do this specifically?

specifically? specifically? >> Uh so it was a great honor because uh >> Uh so it was a great honor because uh >> Uh so it was a great honor because uh they first wanted to collaborate and they first wanted to collaborate and they first wanted to collaborate and then when I sent them uh what I didn't then when I sent them uh what I didn't then when I sent them uh what I didn't know was a kids croc shoe. They let me know was a kids croc shoe. They let me know was a kids croc shoe. They let me know that they loved that I was thinking know that they loved that I was thinking know that they loved that I was thinking of the form of the croc which a lot of of the form of the croc which a lot of of the form of the croc which a lot of collaborators in the past were simply collaborators in the past were simply collaborators in the past were simply reskinning the croc maybe adding jibbits reskinning the croc maybe adding jibbits reskinning the croc maybe adding jibbits and I was thinking of the form and that and I was thinking of the form and that and I was thinking of the form and that comes from my industrial design comes from my industrial design comes from my industrial design background. So once they saw that I was background. So once they saw that I was background. So once they saw that I was interested in manipulating the form, interested in manipulating the form, interested in manipulating the form, they asked me if I wanted to be the they asked me if I wanted to be the they asked me if I wanted to be the first uh collaborative designer to first uh collaborative designer to first uh collaborative designer to create a croc from scratch, which I create a croc from scratch, which I create a croc from scratch, which I immediately did a Birdman hand rub and immediately did a Birdman hand rub and immediately did a Birdman hand rub and said yes. Um and so this is the result said yes. Um and so this is the result said yes. Um and so this is the result of that. And so initially I had to make of that. And so initially I had to make of that. And so initially I had to make sure that I fostered and maintained the sure that I fostered and maintained the sure that I fostered and maintained the existing elements of the Croc DNA and existing elements of the Croc DNA and existing elements of the Croc DNA and made sure that I didn't scare away the made sure that I didn't scare away the made sure that I didn't scare away the existing consumer. And you know, getting existing consumer. And you know, getting existing consumer. And you know, getting the the honor of working with a brand the the honor of working with a brand the the honor of working with a brand like Crocs, you get to work with their like Crocs, you get to work with their like Crocs, you get to work with their heritage and their DNA. So, I had to heritage and their DNA. So, I had to heritage and their DNA. So, I had to make sure to maintain that and then also make sure to maintain that and then also make sure to maintain that and then also introduce um my own brand identity, put introduce um my own brand identity, put introduce um my own brand identity, put it through a new lens, and uh it through a new lens, and uh it through a new lens, and uh potentially speak to a new audience.

potentially speak to a new audience. potentially speak to a new audience. >> Um you know, it's it's pretty amazing >> Um you know, it's it's pretty amazing >> Um you know, it's it's pretty amazing because you've had a really amazing because you've had a really amazing because you've had a really amazing journey as a footwear designer. You journey as a footwear designer. You journey as a footwear designer. You started at Payless in 2009 and then you started at Payless in 2009 and then you started at Payless in 2009 and then you started doing collaborations with a lot started doing collaborations with a lot started doing collaborations with a lot of brands like New Balance, uh Klehan, of brands like New Balance, uh Klehan, of brands like New Balance, uh Klehan, Versace to name a few. And now you run Versace to name a few. And now you run Versace to name a few. And now you run your own brand called Sponge. That's your own brand called Sponge. That's your own brand called Sponge. That's what those are. So to help paint the what those are. So to help paint the what those are. So to help paint the picture of how you've forged your own picture of how you've forged your own picture of how you've forged your own path, I'd love for you to share the path, I'd love for you to share the path, I'd love for you to share the story that I that I just love of you story that I that I just love of you story that I that I just love of you being on your couch eating cereal in a being on your couch eating cereal in a being on your couch eating cereal in a moment of unemployment and you somehow moment of unemployment and you somehow moment of unemployment and you somehow went from scrolling on LinkedIn to went from scrolling on LinkedIn to went from scrolling on LinkedIn to convincing Versace to give you your convincing Versace to give you your convincing Versace to give you your dream job. Will you tell us that story? dream job. Will you tell us that story? dream job. Will you tell us that story? >> Yeah. So uh cereal on my couch that is a >> Yeah. So uh cereal on my couch that is a >> Yeah. So uh cereal on my couch that is a description of the image of unemployment description of the image of unemployment description of the image of unemployment that I was experiencing at that time. that I was experiencing at that time. that I was experiencing at that time. Um, I was using all of the tools that Um, I was using all of the tools that Um, I was using all of the tools that have been given to us for outreach, uh, have been given to us for outreach, uh, have been given to us for outreach, uh, LinkedIn, Craigslist, maybe it was even LinkedIn, Craigslist, maybe it was even LinkedIn, Craigslist, maybe it was even Facebook at the time and sending Facebook at the time and sending Facebook at the time and sending messages to whoever would accept them. I messages to whoever would accept them. I messages to whoever would accept them. I reached out to a Versace design director reached out to a Versace design director reached out to a Versace design director and I proposed an opportunity. I said, and I proposed an opportunity. I said, and I proposed an opportunity. I said, "The sneaker industry is a multi-billion "The sneaker industry is a multi-billion "The sneaker industry is a multi-billion dollar business, and traditionally that dollar business, and traditionally that dollar business, and traditionally that consumer isn't paying attention to consumer isn't paying attention to consumer isn't paying attention to fashion brands. They're traditionally fashion brands. They're traditionally fashion brands. They're traditionally paying attention to the sneaker brands paying attention to the sneaker brands paying attention to the sneaker brands that we're all used to and probably that we're all used to and probably that we're all used to and probably wearing right now." Um, but then there wearing right now." Um, but then there wearing right now." Um, but then there was this mass education that happened was this mass education that happened was this mass education that happened that um, Raph, Raph, Simmons, Adidas, that um, Raph, Raph, Simmons, Adidas, that um, Raph, Raph, Simmons, Adidas, Nike, Koma Garson, and now this massive Nike, Koma Garson, and now this massive Nike, Koma Garson, and now this massive consumer was aware of the fact that consumer was aware of the fact that consumer was aware of the fact that fashion houses can make sneakers. And so fashion houses can make sneakers. And so fashion houses can make sneakers. And so I reached out to them. A few days later, I reached out to them. A few days later, I reached out to them. A few days later, Donatella herself responded, said she Donatella herself responded, said she Donatella herself responded, said she loved my ideas. She uh, perfect timing loved my ideas. She uh, perfect timing loved my ideas. She uh, perfect timing for that photo. Um, she uh, said that for that photo. Um, she uh, said that for that photo. Um, she uh, said that she wanted me to come out Milan to to she wanted me to come out Milan to to she wanted me to come out Milan to to Milan and present to her of what I Milan and present to her of what I Milan and present to her of what I thought the sneaker program could be. Um

thought the sneaker program could be. Um thought the sneaker program could be. Um I went out to Milan a few days later um I went out to Milan a few days later um I went out to Milan a few days later um presented a combination of merchandising presented a combination of merchandising presented a combination of merchandising and design and sales insight and she and design and sales insight and she and design and sales insight and she loved it and she was like I want to hire loved it and she was like I want to hire loved it and she was like I want to hire you. I want you to move to Milan right you. I want you to move to Milan right you. I want you to move to Milan right away. Do you want to consult? She was away. Do you want to consult? She was away. Do you want to consult? She was really open about what the opportunity really open about what the opportunity really open about what the opportunity could be. Um because she was so open. I could be. Um because she was so open. I could be. Um because she was so open. I asked if I could have my own design asked if I could have my own design asked if I could have my own design studio in Los Angeles and uh travel to studio in Los Angeles and uh travel to studio in Los Angeles and uh travel to Milan monthly for factory visits and Milan monthly for factory visits and Milan monthly for factory visits and shows and whatnot and she said yes. So I shows and whatnot and she said yes. So I shows and whatnot and she said yes. So I went outside and did my pursuit of went outside and did my pursuit of went outside and did my pursuit of happiness happiness happiness cry cry in the streets um because my cry cry in the streets um because my cry cry in the streets um because my life changed instantly. But really what life changed instantly. But really what life changed instantly. But really what that was more about was the the power of that was more about was the the power of that was more about was the the power of asking and what that can bring you. >> So throughout your career you've had um >> So throughout your career you've had um you you've always used color and form you you've always used color and form you you've always used color and form and function in a way that's felt really and function in a way that's felt really and function in a way that's felt really playful. And um there's so many nuance playful. And um there's so many nuance playful. And um there's so many nuance details in your designs. like there's so details in your designs. like there's so details in your designs. like there's so many Easter eggs that that people could many Easter eggs that that people could many Easter eggs that that people could find if they know what to look for. Um, find if they know what to look for. Um, find if they know what to look for. Um, so I'm going to show some pictures of so I'm going to show some pictures of so I'm going to show some pictures of your shoes and I'd love to just hear you your shoes and I'd love to just hear you your shoes and I'd love to just hear you share your design philosophy for each of share your design philosophy for each of share your design philosophy for each of them. So them. So them. So >> tell us about these.

>> tell us about these. >> tell us about these. >> Uh, so this was my first ever >> Uh, so this was my first ever >> Uh, so this was my first ever collaboration with a Chinese brand collaboration with a Chinese brand collaboration with a Chinese brand called Ant. Um, this was a from scratch called Ant. Um, this was a from scratch called Ant. Um, this was a from scratch collaboration. A lot of collaborations collaboration. A lot of collaborations collaboration. A lot of collaborations these days are colorups and skinnings, these days are colorups and skinnings, these days are colorups and skinnings, but this was a white the I guess the but this was a white the I guess the but this was a white the I guess the result of a white piece of paper. Um, result of a white piece of paper. Um, result of a white piece of paper. Um, and I guess what I was trying to and I guess what I was trying to and I guess what I was trying to accomplish here was um, an introduction accomplish here was um, an introduction accomplish here was um, an introduction to the footwear and the footwear to the footwear and the footwear to the footwear and the footwear industry and the audience because before industry and the audience because before industry and the audience because before that I was working at different brands that I was working at different brands that I was working at different brands and this was the first time that a and this was the first time that a and this was the first time that a footwear a piece of footwear is going to footwear a piece of footwear is going to footwear a piece of footwear is going to feature my name. So there was a lot of feature my name. So there was a lot of feature my name. So there was a lot of things that I had to introduce uh, to my things that I had to introduce uh, to my things that I had to introduce uh, to my existing audience. existing audience. existing audience. >> How about this one? >> How about this one? >> How about this one? >> Uh, this is the Halley 1. It's the first >> Uh, this is the Halley 1. It's the first >> Uh, this is the Halley 1. It's the first signature sneaker of Tyrese signature sneaker of Tyrese signature sneaker of Tyrese Hallebertton. Um, I became a forward Hallebertton. Um, I became a forward Hallebertton. Um, I became a forward designer because of basketball. That was designer because of basketball. That was designer because of basketball. That was my kind of uh initial inspiration that my kind of uh initial inspiration that my kind of uh initial inspiration that that made me feel the emotions that I that made me feel the emotions that I that made me feel the emotions that I believe I'm giving to others now. Um it believe I'm giving to others now. Um it believe I'm giving to others now. Um it is with Puma. Um he recently wore it in is with Puma. Um he recently wore it in is with Puma. Um he recently wore it in the previous NBA finals. Um it was had a the previous NBA finals. Um it was had a the previous NBA finals. Um it was had a pretty tragic ending, but it was still pretty tragic ending, but it was still pretty tragic ending, but it was still um amazing to be a part of that shoe and um amazing to be a part of that shoe and um amazing to be a part of that shoe and to for it to fall at that part of my to for it to fall at that part of my to for it to fall at that part of my career was really special.

career was really special. career was really special. >> I love these. >> I love these. >> I love these. >> Uh this was a shoe I did with Pierre >> Uh this was a shoe I did with Pierre >> Uh this was a shoe I did with Pierre Moss, which is a high fashion brand. Um Moss, which is a high fashion brand. Um Moss, which is a high fashion brand. Um the creative director reached out to me the creative director reached out to me the creative director reached out to me and he asked me to create a shoe that and he asked me to create a shoe that and he asked me to create a shoe that looked like or that represented the looked like or that represented the looked like or that represented the feeling of being financially stuck. Um I feeling of being financially stuck. Um I feeling of being financially stuck. Um I knew that I couldn't use concrete. So knew that I couldn't use concrete. So knew that I couldn't use concrete. So then I quickly thought of using uh then I quickly thought of using uh then I quickly thought of using uh silicone as the solution and that's what silicone as the solution and that's what silicone as the solution and that's what I made. I made. I made. >> And that was in a runway show, right? >> And that was in a runway show, right? >> And that was in a runway show, right? >> Yes. This was in like a SW16 runway show >> Yes. This was in like a SW16 runway show >> Yes. This was in like a SW16 runway show I think or SS. I think or SS. I think or SS. >> How about these? >> How about these? >> How about these? >> Uh this was uh these are a bunch of >> Uh this was uh these are a bunch of >> Uh this was uh these are a bunch of images from my Monontlair Genius images from my Monontlair Genius images from my Monontlair Genius collaboration. This was my first ready collaboration. This was my first ready collaboration. This was my first ready toear collection. And um as of late, a toear collection. And um as of late, a toear collection. And um as of late, a lot of my work has been described as lot of my work has been described as lot of my work has been described as like world building and this was that in like world building and this was that in like world building and this was that in real form because I got to create a full real form because I got to create a full real form because I got to create a full installation that helped further tell installation that helped further tell installation that helped further tell the story of um the ready toear the story of um the ready toear the story of um the ready toear collection and featured footwear collection and featured footwear collection and featured footwear accessories and um there were some accessories and um there were some accessories and um there were some pretty big billboards as well which I pretty big billboards as well which I pretty big billboards as well which I hadn't experienced thus far in my hadn't experienced thus far in my hadn't experienced thus far in my career. career. career. >> And and when you did this ready to wear >> And and when you did this ready to wear >> And and when you did this ready to wear collection, how did you go from just collection, how did you go from just collection, how did you go from just doing footwear to clothing? Like how how doing footwear to clothing? Like how how doing footwear to clothing? Like how how did you think about that? I think one of did you think about that? I think one of did you think about that? I think one of the most difficult things for um an the most difficult things for um an the most difficult things for um an independent designer is creating your independent designer is creating your independent designer is creating your signature language. Like what is your signature language. Like what is your signature language. Like what is your you know what is that signature identity you know what is that signature identity you know what is that signature identity that someone can um recognize without that someone can um recognize without that someone can um recognize without even seeing a logo. So once I kind of even seeing a logo. So once I kind of even seeing a logo. So once I kind of establish that I think um it now makes establish that I think um it now makes establish that I think um it now makes it easy to to bring that across um it easy to to bring that across um it easy to to bring that across um different categories of product.

different categories of product. different categories of product. >> And then this video >> And then this video >> And then this video >> is just so charming. >> is just so charming. >> is just so charming. >> That is Thundercat. That's Stephen. Um >> That is Thundercat. That's Stephen. Um >> That is Thundercat. That's Stephen. Um that was for a New Balance project that was for a New Balance project that was for a New Balance project called Sand Be the Time. Um a lot of the called Sand Be the Time. Um a lot of the called Sand Be the Time. Um a lot of the projects are influenced by experience projects are influenced by experience projects are influenced by experience experiences. So this was uh from a trip experiences. So this was uh from a trip experiences. So this was uh from a trip where was that? That was the pink sand where was that? That was the pink sand where was that? That was the pink sand dunes in Utah and that basically was the dunes in Utah and that basically was the dunes in Utah and that basically was the foundation of the story for that shoe. foundation of the story for that shoe. foundation of the story for that shoe. So uh the average person looking at that So uh the average person looking at that So uh the average person looking at that shoe might see a pink shoe but then with shoe might see a pink shoe but then with shoe might see a pink shoe but then with the story of the pink sand dunes and you the story of the pink sand dunes and you the story of the pink sand dunes and you know relating the execution of the know relating the execution of the know relating the execution of the chenille in to the colors of the sunset. chenille in to the colors of the sunset. chenille in to the colors of the sunset. Now you've cultivated a community. Now you've cultivated a community. Now you've cultivated a community. You've invited people to come into your You've invited people to come into your You've invited people to come into your world and you've told a story. world and you've told a story. world and you've told a story. >> That's so cool. So, staying on that New >> That's so cool. So, staying on that New >> That's so cool. So, staying on that New Balance theme, um you deser designed the Balance theme, um you deser designed the Balance theme, um you deser designed the New Balance 574 yurt shoe with a whistle New Balance 574 yurt shoe with a whistle New Balance 574 yurt shoe with a whistle on the heel. on the heel. on the heel. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, most designers would never think of >> So, most designers would never think of >> So, most designers would never think of that. So, I'm I'm going to share this that. So, I'm I'm going to share this that. So, I'm I'm going to share this with all of you so you can see what I'm with all of you so you can see what I'm with all of you so you can see what I'm talking about. Oh. talking about. Oh. talking about. Oh. >> Oh, sorry. >> Oh, sorry. >> Oh, sorry. Never mind. That is a different Never mind. That is a different Never mind. That is a different question. I will get to that in a question. I will get to that in a question. I will get to that in a moment.

moment. moment. when you moved to Los Angeles, when you moved to Los Angeles, when you moved to Los Angeles, you got really into hiking in nature and you got really into hiking in nature and you got really into hiking in nature and um this this is still about New Balance. um this this is still about New Balance. um this this is still about New Balance. So, you started designing outdoor shoes So, you started designing outdoor shoes So, you started designing outdoor shoes and gear and in one instance you and gear and in one instance you and gear and in one instance you translated Arizona's Antelopee Canyon, translated Arizona's Antelopee Canyon, translated Arizona's Antelopee Canyon, which are photos from from these are which are photos from from these are which are photos from from these are photos from that canyon into a shoe photos from that canyon into a shoe photos from that canyon into a shoe called Peace Be the Journey, which came called Peace Be the Journey, which came called Peace Be the Journey, which came out in 2020. And that shoe, even though out in 2020. And that shoe, even though out in 2020. And that shoe, even though it came out six years ago, is still so it came out six years ago, is still so it came out six years ago, is still so popular that it's being sold on markup popular that it's being sold on markup popular that it's being sold on markup uh for markup on resale sites like eBay, uh for markup on resale sites like eBay, uh for markup on resale sites like eBay, like to this day consistently for a lot like to this day consistently for a lot like to this day consistently for a lot of money. So tell us why you think this of money. So tell us why you think this of money. So tell us why you think this shoe is is still so popular. shoe is is still so popular. shoe is is still so popular. >> Um potentially that I told a story that >> Um potentially that I told a story that >> Um potentially that I told a story that that people could resonate with. This that people could resonate with. This that people could resonate with. This was influenced by a trip to Antelope was influenced by a trip to Antelope was influenced by a trip to Antelope Canyon. Um a beautiful place for those Canyon. Um a beautiful place for those Canyon. Um a beautiful place for those that haven't been. And ultimately the that haven't been. And ultimately the that haven't been. And ultimately the goal was to make this shoe represent goal was to make this shoe represent goal was to make this shoe represent that experience. So, if you're looking that experience. So, if you're looking that experience. So, if you're looking at that shoe, it's an orange shoe. But at that shoe, it's an orange shoe. But at that shoe, it's an orange shoe. But then when I tie the orange to the tones then when I tie the orange to the tones then when I tie the orange to the tones of Antelope Canyon and the blue of the of Antelope Canyon and the blue of the of Antelope Canyon and the blue of the inn represents the sky and the maroons inn represents the sky and the maroons inn represents the sky and the maroons represent the tones in the sunset. Um, represent the tones in the sunset. Um, represent the tones in the sunset. Um, and then the campaign um tells that and then the campaign um tells that and then the campaign um tells that story further. Now, when people wear story further. Now, when people wear story further. Now, when people wear that shoe, sure it may be a shoe that that shoe, sure it may be a shoe that that shoe, sure it may be a shoe that they think looks cool, but then they now they think looks cool, but then they now they think looks cool, but then they now feel like they're a part of a community.

feel like they're a part of a community. feel like they're a part of a community. I remember when I was when I first I remember when I was when I first I remember when I was when I first started traveling to China for work, I'd started traveling to China for work, I'd started traveling to China for work, I'd uh would always look for people wearing uh would always look for people wearing uh would always look for people wearing Supreme because I assumed that there was Supreme because I assumed that there was Supreme because I assumed that there was a higher likelihood that that they spoke a higher likelihood that that they spoke a higher likelihood that that they spoke English. So sometimes there are visual English. So sometimes there are visual English. So sometimes there are visual cues that uh signify community. cues that uh signify community. cues that uh signify community. >> Yeah, that's a great example. Um okay, >> Yeah, that's a great example. Um okay, >> Yeah, that's a great example. Um okay, now the Euro. So this is another New now the Euro. So this is another New now the Euro. So this is another New Balance shoe and with a whistle on the Balance shoe and with a whistle on the Balance shoe and with a whistle on the heel and uh let's let's see it in action heel and uh let's let's see it in action heel and uh let's let's see it in action for a second. So, how did you think of that? So, how did you think of that? >> Um, so New Balance tasked me with the >> Um, so New Balance tasked me with the >> Um, so New Balance tasked me with the opportunity of creating a shoe from opportunity of creating a shoe from opportunity of creating a shoe from scratch. Um, around this time my buddy scratch. Um, around this time my buddy scratch. Um, around this time my buddy Samuel Ross, who's a designer based out Samuel Ross, who's a designer based out Samuel Ross, who's a designer based out of London, he had this Nike shoe called of London, he had this Nike shoe called of London, he had this Nike shoe called the Zoom Vomero and it featured a molded the Zoom Vomero and it featured a molded the Zoom Vomero and it featured a molded plastic piece on the back of the shoe. plastic piece on the back of the shoe. plastic piece on the back of the shoe. And I'd wear them a lot and people would And I'd wear them a lot and people would And I'd wear them a lot and people would always ask me, "What does that molded always ask me, "What does that molded always ask me, "What does that molded piece do?" And I would respond, "Nothing piece do?" And I would respond, "Nothing piece do?" And I would respond, "Nothing at all." And people seem to still accept at all." And people seem to still accept at all." And people seem to still accept it. And I found that really fascinating it. And I found that really fascinating it. And I found that really fascinating because it was a very unused area of because it was a very unused area of because it was a very unused area of real estate of the shoe. And so I real estate of the shoe. And so I real estate of the shoe. And so I thought to myself, what if this area of thought to myself, what if this area of thought to myself, what if this area of real estate could be used for something real estate could be used for something real estate could be used for something functional? Um, obviously if that functional? Um, obviously if that functional? Um, obviously if that functional thing was filled with like functional thing was filled with like functional thing was filled with like technology, now you're looking at like a technology, now you're looking at like a technology, now you're looking at like a $2,000 shoe. So that wasn't an option.

$2,000 shoe. So that wasn't an option. $2,000 shoe. So that wasn't an option. So then I thought of how I could man So then I thought of how I could man So then I thought of how I could man manipulate plastic to function. That manipulate plastic to function. That manipulate plastic to function. That became a whistle. Um, truthfully, I became a whistle. Um, truthfully, I became a whistle. Um, truthfully, I created the whistle without thinking of created the whistle without thinking of created the whistle without thinking of the the why, the purpose. I just thought the the why, the purpose. I just thought the the why, the purpose. I just thought a whistle was cool. Um, and then, uh, a whistle was cool. Um, and then, uh, a whistle was cool. Um, and then, uh, for the prototype, I glued a whistle for the prototype, I glued a whistle for the prototype, I glued a whistle into a New Balance shoe and I met with into a New Balance shoe and I met with into a New Balance shoe and I met with the team and I told them a whole story the team and I told them a whole story the team and I told them a whole story of, uh, think about camping with your of, uh, think about camping with your of, uh, think about camping with your friends and it's almost dusk and you friends and it's almost dusk and you friends and it's almost dusk and you stop to take a picture of some deer and stop to take a picture of some deer and stop to take a picture of some deer and your friends walk ahead and now you've your friends walk ahead and now you've your friends walk ahead and now you've lost them. You can just And then I lost them. You can just And then I lost them. You can just And then I grabbed a shoe from beneath the table, grabbed a shoe from beneath the table, grabbed a shoe from beneath the table, blew the whistle, and then they all blew the whistle, and then they all blew the whistle, and then they all slope up. Um, and so again, that was, slope up. Um, and so again, that was, slope up. Um, and so again, that was, you know, maybe a little bit of my you know, maybe a little bit of my you know, maybe a little bit of my industrial design background, you know, industrial design background, you know, industrial design background, you know, trying to figure out how to find utility trying to figure out how to find utility trying to figure out how to find utility within maybe something that doesn't have within maybe something that doesn't have within maybe something that doesn't have as much. But then more importantly, um, as much. But then more importantly, um, as much. But then more importantly, um, I think it's it's kind of cool to just I think it's it's kind of cool to just I think it's it's kind of cool to just do something first in footwear. There's do something first in footwear. There's do something first in footwear. There's never been a a whistle on a shoe. And if never been a a whistle on a shoe. And if never been a a whistle on a shoe. And if you were to think about, you know, how you were to think about, you know, how you were to think about, you know, how much energy it would take for you to much energy it would take for you to much energy it would take for you to scream if you like broke your ankle on a scream if you like broke your ankle on a scream if you like broke your ankle on a hike alone, uh, compared to the amount hike alone, uh, compared to the amount hike alone, uh, compared to the amount of energy it would just simply take you of energy it would just simply take you of energy it would just simply take you to blow a whistle. So, you know, giving to blow a whistle. So, you know, giving to blow a whistle. So, you know, giving the consumer a tool seemed like a a good the consumer a tool seemed like a a good the consumer a tool seemed like a a good opportunity.

opportunity. opportunity. >> You know, one thing I've heard you say >> You know, one thing I've heard you say >> You know, one thing I've heard you say before is that um genius can be created before is that um genius can be created before is that um genius can be created in seconds and crap can be created over in seconds and crap can be created over in seconds and crap can be created over months. months. months. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I think that's such a great line. And >> Um I think that's such a great line. And >> Um I think that's such a great line. And um um um >> that's why you never charge hourly. >> that's why you never charge hourly. >> that's why you never charge hourly. >> That is so true. >> That is so true. >> That is so true. >> So, no anyone who hires consultants. But >> So, no anyone who hires consultants. But >> So, no anyone who hires consultants. But uh so, how does someone optimize their uh so, how does someone optimize their uh so, how does someone optimize their life so that they can avoid creating life so that they can avoid creating life so that they can avoid creating crap over long amounts of time? Um crap over long amounts of time? Um crap over long amounts of time? Um maybe avoid distraction. I've always maybe avoid distraction. I've always maybe avoid distraction. I've always found out that I've always found that um found out that I've always found that um found out that I've always found that um when trying to create not getting too when trying to create not getting too when trying to create not getting too distracted by the thing that we all have distracted by the thing that we all have distracted by the thing that we all have in our pockets right now and constantly in our pockets right now and constantly in our pockets right now and constantly scrolling other people's ideas. Um scrolling other people's ideas. Um scrolling other people's ideas. Um social media, the internet, Instagram, social media, the internet, Instagram, social media, the internet, Instagram, it's a great sense of inspiration, but it's a great sense of inspiration, but it's a great sense of inspiration, but that it can also create a massive cloud that it can also create a massive cloud that it can also create a massive cloud of distraction that helps you or makes of distraction that helps you or makes of distraction that helps you or makes you lose sight of your own vision. And you lose sight of your own vision. And you lose sight of your own vision. And so I think finding that balance between so I think finding that balance between so I think finding that balance between the work and you avoiding distraction is the work and you avoiding distraction is the work and you avoiding distraction is important. important. important. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, you know, one thing that >> Yeah. Um, you know, one thing that >> Yeah. Um, you know, one thing that you're known for beyond your shoes is, you're known for beyond your shoes is, you're known for beyond your shoes is, you know, speaking about those Easter you know, speaking about those Easter you know, speaking about those Easter egg details in your work is the boxes egg details in your work is the boxes egg details in your work is the boxes that you actually design for the shoes, that you actually design for the shoes, that you actually design for the shoes, the shoe boxes. And so any sneaker head the shoe boxes. And so any sneaker head the shoe boxes. And so any sneaker head I've spoken to is like, "Oh, slay these I've spoken to is like, "Oh, slay these I've spoken to is like, "Oh, slay these boxes." Like I love collecting his shoes boxes." Like I love collecting his shoes boxes." Like I love collecting his shoes because they stack so beautifully. So, because they stack so beautifully. So, because they stack so beautifully. So, like how much time do you spend thinking like how much time do you spend thinking like how much time do you spend thinking about how the shoe will look on the foot about how the shoe will look on the foot about how the shoe will look on the foot versus in the box?

versus in the box? versus in the box? >> Well, I just think I often go back to um >> Well, I just think I often go back to um >> Well, I just think I often go back to um you know, I'm pretty experienced in you know, I'm pretty experienced in you know, I'm pretty experienced in footwear design, but I have like my footwear design, but I have like my footwear design, but I have like my masters in footwear consumerism. So, I masters in footwear consumerism. So, I masters in footwear consumerism. So, I just think of those moments that uh just think of those moments that uh just think of those moments that uh resonated with me and that made me feel resonated with me and that made me feel resonated with me and that made me feel cool or more athletic or magical. And cool or more athletic or magical. And cool or more athletic or magical. And so, I'm really just trying to recreate so, I'm really just trying to recreate so, I'm really just trying to recreate those moments. I really think it's those moments. I really think it's those moments. I really think it's important to take advantage of every important to take advantage of every important to take advantage of every every area of real estate of a product every area of real estate of a product every area of real estate of a product because as creatives all we have is that because as creatives all we have is that because as creatives all we have is that reveal moment right so when we reveal reveal moment right so when we reveal reveal moment right so when we reveal that product how does it make the the that product how does it make the the that product how does it make the the audience feel do they like it audience feel do they like it audience feel do they like it immediately do they not like it immediately do they not like it immediately do they not like it immediately and then they see it over immediately and then they see it over immediately and then they see it over and over again and then they start to and over again and then they start to and over again and then they start to like it I I love that relationship with like it I I love that relationship with like it I I love that relationship with product because it's almost like Steve product because it's almost like Steve product because it's almost like Steve Steve Jobsian if that's the term um Steve Jobsian if that's the term um Steve Jobsian if that's the term um because you know he said the consumer because you know he said the consumer because you know he said the consumer doesn't want know what they want until doesn't want know what they want until doesn't want know what they want until you show it to them so the Crocs Plex you show it to them so the Crocs Plex you show it to them so the Crocs Plex being an example, like there were a lot being an example, like there were a lot being an example, like there were a lot of people that that shoe upset at first of people that that shoe upset at first of people that that shoe upset at first and then slowly seeing them come around and then slowly seeing them come around and then slowly seeing them come around to both that product specifically or to both that product specifically or to both that product specifically or even the brand of Crocs was really cool even the brand of Crocs was really cool even the brand of Crocs was really cool to witness because you almost were like to witness because you almost were like to witness because you almost were like changing minds with with product.

changing minds with with product. changing minds with with product. >> So, this passion of yours runs deep. You >> So, this passion of yours runs deep. You >> So, this passion of yours runs deep. You um when you were 9 years old, you made um when you were 9 years old, you made um when you were 9 years old, you made this this this Air Jordan 11 out of clay. And I would Air Jordan 11 out of clay. And I would Air Jordan 11 out of clay. And I would love to know, do you still feel like love to know, do you still feel like love to know, do you still feel like you're the nine-year-old version of you're the nine-year-old version of you're the nine-year-old version of yourself when you do your work today? yourself when you do your work today? yourself when you do your work today? >> Absolutely. I mean, if you love what you >> Absolutely. I mean, if you love what you >> Absolutely. I mean, if you love what you do, it's not a job. This is pretty much do, it's not a job. This is pretty much do, it's not a job. This is pretty much what I want I've wanted to do my entire what I want I've wanted to do my entire what I want I've wanted to do my entire life. So, um, there's a certain level of life. So, um, there's a certain level of life. So, um, there's a certain level of freedom. There's a certain level of freedom. There's a certain level of freedom. There's a certain level of nostalgia that exists within my work. nostalgia that exists within my work. nostalgia that exists within my work. Um, not to quote Kanye West, but you Um, not to quote Kanye West, but you Um, not to quote Kanye West, but you know, he he in one interview he was know, he he in one interview he was know, he he in one interview he was saying that he felt like he was creating saying that he felt like he was creating saying that he felt like he was creating most freely when he felt like he was most freely when he felt like he was most freely when he felt like he was three years old. And that was a time in three years old. And that was a time in three years old. And that was a time in our lives where we didn't have many our lives where we didn't have many our lives where we didn't have many boundaries or restrictions and we just boundaries or restrictions and we just boundaries or restrictions and we just kind of did, you know, our creative kind of did, you know, our creative kind of did, you know, our creative output was exactly how we wanted it to output was exactly how we wanted it to output was exactly how we wanted it to be. And now we potentially have be. And now we potentially have be. And now we potentially have employers or um market rules or trends employers or um market rules or trends employers or um market rules or trends that we need to follow. And then those that we need to follow. And then those that we need to follow. And then those are all ultimately like guardrails that are all ultimately like guardrails that are all ultimately like guardrails that prevent true creative freedom. So um prevent true creative freedom. So um prevent true creative freedom. So um everything's about balance at the end of everything's about balance at the end of everything's about balance at the end of the day at the at the end of the day, the day at the at the end of the day, the day at the at the end of the day, but I still try to maintain that freedom but I still try to maintain that freedom but I still try to maintain that freedom as much as possible.

as much as possible. as much as possible. >> Awesome. Well, thank you so much for >> Awesome. Well, thank you so much for >> Awesome. Well, thank you so much for having me here. All righty, mates. Welcome back to my All righty, mates. Welcome back to my channel. Today, we'll be doing a channel. Today, we'll be doing a channel. Today, we'll be doing a tutorial on how to make a PB&J. First, tutorial on how to make a PB&J. First, tutorial on how to make a PB&J. First, you got to grab that jam. you got to grab that jam. you got to grab that jam. And oh, no, there's none left. All And oh, no, there's none left. All And oh, no, there's none left. All right. Well, let's try the peanut right. Well, let's try the peanut right. Well, let's try the peanut butter. Oh, yeah, there is some left. butter. Oh, yeah, there is some left. butter. Oh, yeah, there is some left. All right, put those aside. Grab the All right, put those aside. Grab the All right, put those aside. Grab the plate. plate. plate. Got to thread the jam. Then you got to Got to thread the jam. Then you got to Got to thread the jam. Then you got to grab your bread. So good. So good. And I grab your bread. So good. So good. And I grab your bread. So good. So good. And I I dropped it. I dropped it. We've got to I dropped it. I dropped it. We've got to I dropped it. I dropped it. We've got to put the bread on the plate. Grab your put the bread on the plate. Grab your put the bread on the plate. Grab your spatula and scoop scoop. Then you got to spatula and scoop scoop. Then you got to spatula and scoop scoop. Then you got to put your PB&J back and well grab the put your PB&J back and well grab the put your PB&J back and well grab the sauce. Put the sauce on and um well make sauce. Put the sauce on and um well make sauce. Put the sauce on and um well make it. Eat it. Try it. Put in the fridge. I it. Eat it. Try it. Put in the fridge. I it. Eat it. Try it. Put in the fridge. I know. I know. It grew. Like catch it, know. I know. It grew. Like catch it, know. I know. It grew. Like catch it, catch it, catch it. And I got you, you catch it, catch it. And I got you, you catch it, catch it. And I got you, you little stinker. Bite it. And that was little stinker. Bite it. And that was little stinker. Bite it. And that was not good. Thanks for watching though.

>> That was Jim and the Bread created by >> That was Jim and the Bread created by Nivea, Lyanna, and Nimar of FC Academy, Nivea, Lyanna, and Nimar of FC Academy, Nivea, Lyanna, and Nimar of FC Academy, a student film making program based in a student film making program based in a student film making program based in Massachusetts. Okay, next up we have a Massachusetts. Okay, next up we have a Massachusetts. Okay, next up we have a musical performance which I am telling musical performance which I am telling musical performance which I am telling you is going to knock your socks off. you is going to knock your socks off. you is going to knock your socks off. She is a high school student and a She is a high school student and a She is a high school student and a professional accordion player. She professional accordion player. She professional accordion player. She travels the world performing her music travels the world performing her music travels the world performing her music and she is the co-founder and and she is the co-founder and and she is the co-founder and co-organizer of the Accordion Star co-organizer of the Accordion Star co-organizer of the Accordion Star International Competition which brings International Competition which brings International Competition which brings together hundreds of participants and together hundreds of participants and together hundreds of participants and jury members from over 30 countries. jury members from over 30 countries. jury members from over 30 countries. Please put your hands together for Maria Please put your hands together for Maria Please put your hands together for Maria Tlesha.

Thank you so much and hello everyone. I Thank you so much and hello everyone. I am 18 years old and I am from Eugene, am 18 years old and I am from Eugene, am 18 years old and I am from Eugene, Oregon. I have been playing the Oregon. I have been playing the Oregon. I have been playing the accordion for about 12 years and it is accordion for about 12 years and it is accordion for about 12 years and it is such a pleasure to be here and to share such a pleasure to be here and to share such a pleasure to be here and to share the beauty and versatility of my the beauty and versatility of my the beauty and versatility of my instrument with all of you. Recently, I instrument with all of you. Recently, I instrument with all of you. Recently, I had the privilege of performing for had the privilege of performing for had the privilege of performing for NPR's Tiny Desk Concerts. NPR's Tiny Desk Concerts. NPR's Tiny Desk Concerts. Thank you. And there I performed the piece that I And there I performed the piece that I have just played for you called The have just played for you called The have just played for you called The Prelude and Fug by one of my favorite Prelude and Fug by one of my favorite Prelude and Fug by one of my favorite classical composers, Yokan Sebastian classical composers, Yokan Sebastian classical composers, Yokan Sebastian Bach. Now, I love playing music in many Bach. Now, I love playing music in many Bach. Now, I love playing music in many different styles from Buck to Beatles to different styles from Buck to Beatles to different styles from Buck to Beatles to AC/DC, AC/DC, AC/DC, especially in a duet with my father. He especially in a duet with my father. He especially in a duet with my father. He is my teacher and a professional is my teacher and a professional is my teacher and a professional accordion player himself. accordion player himself. accordion player himself. Now, before I play my final piece for Now, before I play my final piece for Now, before I play my final piece for you, I'd like to briefly familiarize you you, I'd like to briefly familiarize you you, I'd like to briefly familiarize you with this instrument. So this is a with this instrument. So this is a with this instrument. So this is a professional model of a B system professional model of a B system professional model of a B system chromatic button accordion which has 120 chromatic button accordion which has 120 chromatic button accordion which has 120 buttons on the left side and only 106 on buttons on the left side and only 106 on buttons on the left side and only 106 on the right side. Not that many. There are the right side. Not that many. There are the right side. Not that many. There are also registers over here which I use to also registers over here which I use to also registers over here which I use to change the tone of the sound. So I can change the tone of the sound. So I can change the tone of the sound. So I can imitate other instruments such as the imitate other instruments such as the imitate other instruments such as the bassoon, the piccolo, the organ and so bassoon, the piccolo, the organ and so bassoon, the piccolo, the organ and so on. And they are also duplicated up on. And they are also duplicated up on. And they are also duplicated up here. And these are called chin switches

here. And these are called chin switches here. And these are called chin switches which as you can guess I can operate which as you can guess I can operate which as you can guess I can operate using my chin like this. And using my chin like this. And using my chin like this. And additionally this middle part here which additionally this middle part here which additionally this middle part here which I constantly push and pull is called the I constantly push and pull is called the I constantly push and pull is called the bellows. And the bellows act as the bellows. And the bellows act as the bellows. And the bellows act as the lungs of the accordion since they pump lungs of the accordion since they pump lungs of the accordion since they pump air in and out and control the dynamics. air in and out and control the dynamics. air in and out and control the dynamics. Now, considering this instrument weighs Now, considering this instrument weighs Now, considering this instrument weighs about 35 pounds, I would say it's a bit about 35 pounds, I would say it's a bit about 35 pounds, I would say it's a bit of a workout as well as an intense brain of a workout as well as an intense brain of a workout as well as an intense brain exercise to handle. exercise to handle. exercise to handle. And you may be wondering why I chose to And you may be wondering why I chose to And you may be wondering why I chose to play such a unique instrument. Well, play such a unique instrument. Well, play such a unique instrument. Well, when I was little, we actually had this when I was little, we actually had this when I was little, we actually had this tiny little accordion in our living tiny little accordion in our living tiny little accordion in our living room. And one day, I just came up to my room. And one day, I just came up to my room. And one day, I just came up to my dad and said, "Hey, can you teach me how dad and said, "Hey, can you teach me how dad and said, "Hey, can you teach me how to play this?" So, I started off by to play this?" So, I started off by to play this?" So, I started off by learning a few chords and simple learning a few chords and simple learning a few chords and simple melodies and I just fell in love with melodies and I just fell in love with melodies and I just fell in love with the instrument. Uh, even though the the instrument. Uh, even though the the instrument. Uh, even though the first ever accordion I played didn't first ever accordion I played didn't first ever accordion I played didn't even have all the notes.

even have all the notes. even have all the notes. So, I would say that having a teacher at So, I would say that having a teacher at So, I would say that having a teacher at home living with me also helped me home living with me also helped me home living with me also helped me progress pretty quickly which has progress pretty quickly which has progress pretty quickly which has brought me to where I am today. And now brought me to where I am today. And now brought me to where I am today. And now I would like to play for you Moments I would like to play for you Moments I would like to play for you Moments Music by composer France Schubert.

Another big round of applause for Maria. Another big round of applause for Maria. Oh. Um, if you want to find more of Oh. Um, if you want to find more of Oh. Um, if you want to find more of Maria's music, and I know that you will, Maria's music, and I know that you will, Maria's music, and I know that you will, um, I'm certainly so excited to hear um, I'm certainly so excited to hear um, I'm certainly so excited to hear more. You can find more on her YouTube more. You can find more on her YouTube more. You can find more on her YouTube channel. Um, I really recommend checking channel. Um, I really recommend checking channel. Um, I really recommend checking that out. I can also just say, um, Maria that out. I can also just say, um, Maria that out. I can also just say, um, Maria has been like warming up quietly on the has been like warming up quietly on the has been like warming up quietly on the accordion backstage. And it is going to accordion backstage. And it is going to accordion backstage. And it is going to be such a profound disappointment for me be such a profound disappointment for me be such a profound disappointment for me tomorrow to not have like quiet, tomorrow to not have like quiet, tomorrow to not have like quiet, soothing accordion music in my life all soothing accordion music in my life all soothing accordion music in my life all all day. Our next speaker studied urban all day. Our next speaker studied urban all day. Our next speaker studied urban planning at MIT. He then found so many planning at MIT. He then found so many planning at MIT. He then found so many inspiring ways to bring those planning inspiring ways to bring those planning inspiring ways to bring those planning decisions out of the ivory tower and decisions out of the ivory tower and decisions out of the ivory tower and into regular people's lives. He is the into regular people's lives. He is the into regular people's lives. He is the co-author of the book Dream, Play, co-author of the book Dream, Play, co-author of the book Dream, Play, Build: Hands-On Engagement for Enduring Build: Hands-On Engagement for Enduring Build: Hands-On Engagement for Enduring Spaces and Places. And he has Spaces and Places. And he has Spaces and Places. And he has facilitated more than 2,000 workshops facilitated more than 2,000 workshops facilitated more than 2,000 workshops across the United States. across the United States. across the United States. He has We're doing great. Everything's He has We're doing great. Everything's He has We're doing great. Everything's good. You know, play everything at any good. You know, play everything at any good. You know, play everything at any moment something surprising could moment something surprising could moment something surprising could happen. That's the beauty. Um happen. That's the beauty. Um happen. That's the beauty. Um he has uh facilitated more than 2,000 he has uh facilitated more than 2,000 he has uh facilitated more than 2,000 workshops across the United States workshops across the United States workshops across the United States helping residents shape conversations helping residents shape conversations helping residents shape conversations about public space, climate, about public space, climate, about public space, climate, transportation, and civic life. Please transportation, and civic life. Please transportation, and civic life. Please give a big round of applause to James give a big round of applause to James give a big round of applause to James Roas.

Hi, I'm James and today we're going to Hi, I'm James and today we're going to learn about how to build your idol city learn about how to build your idol city learn about how to build your idol city to play. I wanted a dollhouse growing to play. I wanted a dollhouse growing to play. I wanted a dollhouse growing up, but in those days boys didn't play up, but in those days boys didn't play up, but in those days boys didn't play with dolls and my parents couldn't with dolls and my parents couldn't with dolls and my parents couldn't afford to buy me building blocks. So, I afford to buy me building blocks. So, I afford to buy me building blocks. So, I started collecting small policy started collecting small policy started collecting small policy gave me a shoe box and they built my gave me a shoe box and they built my gave me a shoe box and they built my first mini house. I was so motivated by first mini house. I was so motivated by first mini house. I was so motivated by it that I kept on building streets, it that I kept on building streets, it that I kept on building streets, neighborhoods, and eventually cities. So neighborhoods, and eventually cities. So neighborhoods, and eventually cities. So that led me to careering city planning. that led me to careering city planning. that led me to careering city planning. But over the years as a city planner, I But over the years as a city planner, I But over the years as a city planner, I realized that we take our work way too realized that we take our work way too realized that we take our work way too seriously. We use the city as a seriously. We use the city as a seriously. We use the city as a deadline, as a measurement, as data, or deadline, as a measurement, as data, or deadline, as a measurement, as data, or a problem to be solved by a really fancy a problem to be solved by a really fancy a problem to be solved by a really fancy presentation. presentation. presentation. And we use we use words people don't And we use we use words people don't And we use we use words people don't understand, maps people can't read, you understand, maps people can't read, you understand, maps people can't read, you know, numbers that confuse people, and know, numbers that confuse people, and know, numbers that confuse people, and surveys that people don't fill out. And surveys that people don't fill out. And surveys that people don't fill out. And community meetings are dreaded both by community meetings are dreaded both by community meetings are dreaded both by the planner that has to facilitate them the planner that has to facilitate them the planner that has to facilitate them and the public who has to attend them. and the public who has to attend them. and the public who has to attend them. It's either an empty room where nobody It's either an empty room where nobody It's either an empty room where nobody cares about the issue or the combat zone cares about the issue or the combat zone cares about the issue or the combat zone where where a few people with a few where where a few people with a few where where a few people with a few aggressive people with very strong aggressive people with very strong aggressive people with very strong opinions will dominate the conversation opinions will dominate the conversation opinions will dominate the conversation and everybody else stays silent. But and everybody else stays silent. But and everybody else stays silent. But like but like most people hate public like but like most people hate public like but like most people hate public speaking and myself I comm I communicate speaking and myself I comm I communicate speaking and myself I comm I communicate better with my hands. So I thought and better with my hands. So I thought and better with my hands. So I thought and for for a lot of community members the for for a lot of community members the for for a lot of community members the city is a place of memories and sensory city is a place of memories and sensory city is a place of memories and sensory experiences. So so planners planners experiences. So so planners planners experiences. So so planners planners have very few to few tools to capture have very few to few tools to capture have very few to few tools to capture these kind of intangible qualities. So these kind of intangible qualities. So these kind of intangible qualities. So for planners we know we get the land use for planners we know we get the land use for planners we know we get the land use right but they feeling wrong. We we right but they feeling wrong. We we right but they feeling wrong. We we could we could design we could design

could we could design we could design could we could design we could design streets for cars but not for humans and streets for cars but not for humans and streets for cars but not for humans and we all it's like to walk down the street we all it's like to walk down the street we all it's like to walk down the street like this. So, so, so I thought what if like this. So, so, so I thought what if like this. So, so, so I thought what if we designed cities like like we did as we designed cities like like we did as we designed cities like like we did as children through play or at least how children through play or at least how children through play or at least how how I did because as children our our how I did because as children our our how I did because as children our our brain's command center or preoponal brain's command center or preoponal brain's command center or preoponal cortex is not fully developed. So, we cortex is not fully developed. So, we cortex is not fully developed. So, we use our senses and imagination to use our senses and imagination to use our senses and imagination to explore the world and we played and we explore the world and we played and we explore the world and we played and we and we and we shared without any kind of and we and we shared without any kind of and we and we shared without any kind of a agenda. So, I went back to my a agenda. So, I went back to my a agenda. So, I went back to my childhood and developed playset where childhood and developed playset where childhood and developed playset where people use objects to build their urban people use objects to build their urban people use objects to build their urban planning solutions. I introduced this planning solutions. I introduced this planning solutions. I introduced this approach to planners at that time and a approach to planners at that time and a approach to planners at that time and a lot of them were hesitant because it lot of them were hesitant because it lot of them were hesitant because it wasn't based on a measurement or data wasn't based on a measurement or data wasn't based on a measurement or data and plus they were worried that people and plus they were worried that people and plus they were worried that people would build things that that the city would build things that that the city would build things that that the city couldn't deliver on such as a launching couldn't deliver on such as a launching couldn't deliver on such as a launching pad to the moon and uh but instead of pad to the moon and uh but instead of pad to the moon and uh but instead of inventing this idea I took a different inventing this idea I took a different inventing this idea I took a different path with friends I opened up an art path with friends I opened up an art path with friends I opened up an art gallery where I could put my method into gallery where I could put my method into gallery where I could put my method into practice. I would lay out thousands of practice. I would lay out thousands of practice. I would lay out thousands of small recycling objects on a table and small recycling objects on a table and small recycling objects on a table and have people just build their ideal city have people just build their ideal city have people just build their ideal city from them and it was a hit. People were from them and it was a hit. People were from them and it was a hit. People were creative and they were social and they creative and they were social and they creative and they were social and they would stay for five minutes or few hours would stay for five minutes or few hours would stay for five minutes or few hours and and they were h I saw happy people and and they were h I saw happy people and and they were h I saw happy people that I would not see at community that I would not see at community that I would not see at community meetings. So after facilitating hundreds meetings. So after facilitating hundreds meetings. So after facilitating hundreds of hands-on art installations, I of hands-on art installations, I of hands-on art installations, I co-wrote a book to understand why this co-wrote a book to understand why this co-wrote a book to understand why this why this process worked. And how many of why this process worked. And how many of why this process worked. And how many of you here, how many you are under the age you here, how many you are under the age you here, how many you are under the age of 26? Raise your hands.

of 26? Raise your hands. of 26? Raise your hands. Well, your your brains aren't fully Well, your your brains aren't fully Well, your your brains aren't fully formed yet. formed yet. formed yet. So, so you you have capacity to think So, so you you have capacity to think So, so you you have capacity to think big and think creatively. After 26, your big and think creatively. After 26, your big and think creatively. After 26, your prefer cortex is formed. And now you you prefer cortex is formed. And now you you prefer cortex is formed. And now you you worry more you worry more about survival worry more you worry more about survival worry more you worry more about survival and and that. So, uh so it's so so it's and and that. So, uh so it's so so it's and and that. So, uh so it's so so it's hard for so people so people would think hard for so people so people would think hard for so people so people would think more about parking than their more about parking than their more about parking than their imagination. imagination. imagination. So uh so so so so through play you know So uh so so so so through play you know So uh so so so so through play you know we can we can think about you know how we can we can think about you know how we can we can think about you know how we use our our brain that we can figure we use our our brain that we can figure we use our our brain that we can figure out figure out survival mode and think out figure out survival mode and think out figure out survival mode and think about the city as an imagination and about the city as an imagination and about the city as an imagination and with creativity. So eventually city with creativity. So eventually city with creativity. So eventually city planners took notice of them again in planners took notice of them again in planners took notice of them again in braceman method my my city workshops or braceman method my my city workshops or braceman method my my city workshops or playdates are accessible to people of playdates are accessible to people of playdates are accessible to people of all ages background and languages and all ages background and languages and all ages background and languages and they go with a very simple prompt. Build they go with a very simple prompt. Build they go with a very simple prompt. Build your favorite child memory in five your favorite child memory in five your favorite child memory in five minutes using objects. Don't talk about minutes using objects. Don't talk about minutes using objects. Don't talk about it, build it. Because once you build it, build it. Because once you build it, build it. Because once you build that memory again, it becomes real and that memory again, it becomes real and that memory again, it becomes real and it become and it inspires you inspires it become and it inspires you inspires it become and it inspires you inspires you to build inspire you to build cities you to build inspire you to build cities you to build inspire you to build cities of the future cities of the future. As of the future cities of the future. As of the future cities of the future. As as people start to the objects, they let as people start to the objects, they let as people start to the objects, they let go of anical thinking to enter a go of anical thinking to enter a go of anical thinking to enter a creative flow state. It's like art creative flow state. It's like art creative flow state. It's like art therapy. They start thinking therapy. They start thinking therapy. They start thinking differently. The colors and the shapes differently. The colors and the shapes differently. The colors and the shapes of the objects remind people of of the objects remind people of of the objects remind people of activities and places that they love.

activities and places that they love. activities and places that they love. For example, hair rollers will remind For example, hair rollers will remind For example, hair rollers will remind African-American women the importance of African-American women the importance of African-American women the importance of doing hair with their elders, while an doing hair with their elders, while an doing hair with their elders, while an orange maple leaf will remind people orange maple leaf will remind people orange maple leaf will remind people from New England about fall, you know. from New England about fall, you know. from New England about fall, you know. So, so, so every everybody builds and So, so, so every everybody builds and So, so, so every everybody builds and everybody shares their memory. And these everybody shares their memory. And these everybody shares their memory. And these stories vary from attending uh attending stories vary from attending uh attending stories vary from attending uh attending summer camp, creating makebelieve games, summer camp, creating makebelieve games, summer camp, creating makebelieve games, you know, hanging out with friends, or you know, hanging out with friends, or you know, hanging out with friends, or learning how to ride a bike. And and learning how to ride a bike. And and learning how to ride a bike. And and every after everybody shared a story, I every after everybody shared a story, I every after everybody shared a story, I asked what were some of these me what do asked what were some of these me what do asked what were some of these me what do some of these memories have in common? some of these memories have in common? some of these memories have in common? Most of most of them are social with Most of most of them are social with Most of most of them are social with family and friends. They're also family and friends. They're also family and friends. They're also multiensory and often take place multiensory and often take place multiensory and often take place outdoors in nature. Children children outdoors in nature. Children children outdoors in nature. Children children are physically active. They never build are physically active. They never build are physically active. They never build passive activities like watching TV or passive activities like watching TV or passive activities like watching TV or in screen time, you know, and and no one in screen time, you know, and and no one in screen time, you know, and and no one builds ownership or wealth and having a builds ownership or wealth and having a builds ownership or wealth and having a lot of toys. And most importantly, no lot of toys. And most importantly, no lot of toys. And most importantly, no one ever builds getting to school on one ever builds getting to school on one ever builds getting to school on time. time. time. So, so people and people then realized So, so people and people then realized So, so people and people then realized at that moment that across ages, income, at that moment that across ages, income, at that moment that across ages, income, race and geography, they have more in race and geography, they have more in race and geography, they have more in common than they thought. So, suddenly common than they thought. So, suddenly common than they thought. So, suddenly the room transforms from a place of the room transforms from a place of the room transforms from a place of individual opinions into one of individual opinions into one of individual opinions into one of listening, empathy, and shared values.

listening, empathy, and shared values. listening, empathy, and shared values. So, so before we, so we before we start So, so before we, so we before we start So, so before we, so we before we start to plan or lay out the brick and mortar, to plan or lay out the brick and mortar, to plan or lay out the brick and mortar, we have to begin our meetings with this we have to begin our meetings with this we have to begin our meetings with this with with these feelings of belonging. with with these feelings of belonging. with with these feelings of belonging. So, now people are ready to play and So, now people are ready to play and So, now people are ready to play and plan. So we ask people to work in teams plan. So we ask people to work in teams plan. So we ask people to work in teams to create their ideal community in 10 to create their ideal community in 10 to create their ideal community in 10 minutes. minutes. minutes. Use the same objects or more. Use the same objects or more. Use the same objects or more. So and so uh so so they can collaborate, So and so uh so so they can collaborate, So and so uh so so they can collaborate, negotiate and compromise. So their ideas negotiate and compromise. So their ideas negotiate and compromise. So their ideas begin to intersect with each other as begin to intersect with each other as begin to intersect with each other as they place objects on the table and they they place objects on the table and they they place objects on the table and they move them around and they imagine move them around and they imagine move them around and they imagine landscapes. Individual ideas become landscapes. Individual ideas become landscapes. Individual ideas become collective with the help of others and collective with the help of others and collective with the help of others and new possibilities emerge. And uh this is new possibilities emerge. And uh this is new possibilities emerge. And uh this is and this would be difficult to do and this would be difficult to do and this would be difficult to do through words, languages or maps. So through words, languages or maps. So through words, languages or maps. So so so once time is up all all the teams so so once time is up all all the teams so so once time is up all all the teams share their values share their visions. share their values share their visions. share their values share their visions. And from the hundred hundreds of visions And from the hundred hundreds of visions And from the hundred hundreds of visions I've witnessed over the years, no matter I've witnessed over the years, no matter I've witnessed over the years, no matter who they are, people want people want who they are, people want people want who they are, people want people want the same kind of city. They want a city the same kind of city. They want a city the same kind of city. They want a city of relationships with nature and other of relationships with nature and other of relationships with nature and other people.

people. people. So to illustrate this, the teams build So to illustrate this, the teams build So to illustrate this, the teams build walkable and bikable community that are walkable and bikable community that are walkable and bikable community that are focused on family and friends. They focused on family and friends. They focused on family and friends. They build public spaces, plazas, and public build public spaces, plazas, and public build public spaces, plazas, and public transportation and gardens that dominate transportation and gardens that dominate transportation and gardens that dominate the city centers, not skyscrapers. the city centers, not skyscrapers. the city centers, not skyscrapers. And like the childhood memories, these And like the childhood memories, these And like the childhood memories, these they're multi-ensory places filled with they're multi-ensory places filled with they're multi-ensory places filled with parks, nature, trees, water, and range parks, nature, trees, water, and range parks, nature, trees, water, and range to physical activities. And they and to physical activities. And they and to physical activities. And they and they turn they turn they turn freeways they turn they turn they turn freeways they turn they turn they turn freeways into gardens. The team the teams don't into gardens. The team the teams don't into gardens. The team the teams don't build transactional cities with office build transactional cities with office build transactional cities with office parks, freeways, parking lots. No one parks, freeways, parking lots. No one parks, freeways, parking lots. No one builds a giant house in the suburbs and builds a giant house in the suburbs and builds a giant house in the suburbs and the commute to work. Yeah. And no one no the commute to work. Yeah. And no one no the commute to work. Yeah. And no one no one builds gated communities gated one builds gated communities gated one builds gated communities gated communities or jails because they're communities or jails because they're communities or jails because they're pling from joy. That makes a big pling from joy. That makes a big pling from joy. That makes a big difference. So here are two of my difference. So here are two of my difference. So here are two of my favorite projects ver and load in favorite projects ver and load in favorite projects ver and load in Tijuana Mexico. most informal most Tijuana Mexico. most informal most Tijuana Mexico. most informal most informal settlements in Tijuana like informal settlements in Tijuana like informal settlements in Tijuana like community vera were built very quickly community vera were built very quickly community vera were built very quickly and they lack basic infrastructure and and they lack basic infrastructure and and they lack basic infrastructure and especially public spaces. So I was I was especially public spaces. So I was I was especially public spaces. So I was I was invited to facilitate a grassroots invited to facilitate a grassroots invited to facilitate a grassroots community meeting to design a community community meeting to design a community community meeting to design a community center down there. It was a big success.

center down there. It was a big success. center down there. It was a big success. We gave the city 10 pages of notes ideas We gave the city 10 pages of notes ideas We gave the city 10 pages of notes ideas from the community and and committed a from the community and and committed a from the community and and committed a community center but they also got gas community center but they also got gas community center but they also got gas deceas which translates to house of deceas which translates to house of deceas which translates to house of ideas. It's an upgrade. It's an upgraded ideas. It's an upgrade. It's an upgraded ideas. It's an upgrade. It's an upgraded public space or library where people can public space or library where people can public space or library where people can read and give talks. The second project read and give talks. The second project read and give talks. The second project is the 50th street light rail station in is the 50th street light rail station in is the 50th street light rail station in Phoenix, Arizona. In 2008, the city of Phoenix, Arizona. In 2008, the city of Phoenix, Arizona. In 2008, the city of Phoenix helped fund the ability 360 Phoenix helped fund the ability 360 Phoenix helped fund the ability 360 center which is a state-of-the-art center which is a state-of-the-art center which is a state-of-the-art recreation center and community center recreation center and community center recreation center and community center that it's used daily by hundreds of that it's used daily by hundreds of that it's used daily by hundreds of people hundreds of people with people hundreds of people with people hundreds of people with disabilities. But and but across the disabilities. But and but across the disabilities. But and but across the street is a light rail station. But at street is a light rail station. But at street is a light rail station. But at that light light rail line, but at that that light light rail line, but at that that light light rail line, but at that time at that time the closest station time at that time the closest station time at that time the closest station were a mile apart in either direction were a mile apart in either direction were a mile apart in either direction and under and under end of the hot hot and under and under end of the hot hot and under and under end of the hot hot Phoenix sun a mile walk with person with Phoenix sun a mile walk with person with Phoenix sun a mile walk with person with disabilities can be life-threatening. So disabilities can be life-threatening. So disabilities can be life-threatening. So we did a workshop where had individuals we did a workshop where had individuals we did a workshop where had individuals build their ideal station based on their build their ideal station based on their build their ideal station based on their disability would work for them. So after disability would work for them. So after disability would work for them. So after they did that they worked in teams and they did that they worked in teams and they did that they worked in teams and create and merge their ideas to create create and merge their ideas to create create and merge their ideas to create their their ultimate you know rail their their ultimate you know rail their their ultimate you know rail station designs. So so this these these station designs. So so this these these station designs. So so this these these solutions they created kind of fit their solutions they created kind of fit their solutions they created kind of fit their mo kind of helps solve their mobility mo kind of helps solve their mobility mo kind of helps solve their mobility challenges. So they became the advocates challenges. So they became the advocates challenges. So they became the advocates for this potential infill station. So for this potential infill station. So for this potential infill station. So for many years they made phone calls, for many years they made phone calls, for many years they made phone calls, wrote letters, sent emails to the mayor wrote letters, sent emails to the mayor wrote letters, sent emails to the mayor and the council person until till 2019 and the council person until till 2019 and the council person until till 2019 they finally got a station built which they finally got a station built which they finally got a station built which gives them a lot more independence to gives them a lot more independence to gives them a lot more independence to get to the center. Plus they saw their get to the center. Plus they saw their get to the center. Plus they saw their designs in the stations, you know, low, designs in the stations, you know, low, designs in the stations, you know, low, you know, painted crosswalks, low low

you know, painted crosswalks, low low you know, painted crosswalks, low low grade, low sidewalks, artwork, twinkly grade, low sidewalks, artwork, twinkly grade, low sidewalks, artwork, twinkly shade, and you know, landscape buffers shade, and you know, landscape buffers shade, and you know, landscape buffers to protect it from the street. to protect it from the street. to protect it from the street. So through place your planet becomes So through place your planet becomes So through place your planet becomes human again. People don't just describe human again. People don't just describe human again. People don't just describe it. They show it. They feel it and they it. They show it. They feel it and they it. They show it. They feel it and they own it. And that moment something own it. And that moment something own it. And that moment something shifts. They stop being passive shifts. They stop being passive shifts. They stop being passive participants and they start being active participants and they start being active participants and they start being active designer visionaries of their own designer visionaries of their own designer visionaries of their own communities. And this gives planners and communities. And this gives planners and communities. And this gives planners and the public a new way of shaping cities. the public a new way of shaping cities. the public a new way of shaping cities. Not just repeating what we already have Not just repeating what we already have Not just repeating what we already have but imagining something better. And but imagining something better. And but imagining something better. And sometimes the most powerful tool we have sometimes the most powerful tool we have sometimes the most powerful tool we have to do this is through play. to do this is through play. to do this is through play. Thank you. >> Um, okay. Inspired by James' ideas, I I >> Um, okay. Inspired by James' ideas, I I want you all just in your head right now want you all just in your head right now want you all just in your head right now to think of in the city or the town to think of in the city or the town to think of in the city or the town where you live, um, what is your where you live, um, what is your where you live, um, what is your favorite place? Just think of that for favorite place? Just think of that for favorite place? Just think of that for one second and then on the count of one second and then on the count of one second and then on the count of three I'm gonna have you say it out three I'm gonna have you say it out three I'm gonna have you say it out loud. Okay. Uh three, two, one, loud. Okay. Uh three, two, one, loud. Okay. Uh three, two, one, >> Grand Central.

>> Grand Central. >> Grand Central. >> Okay. Um great. A lot. I heard a lot of >> Okay. Um great. A lot. I heard a lot of >> Okay. Um great. A lot. I heard a lot of parks. I heard a lot of public spaces parks. I heard a lot of public spaces parks. I heard a lot of public spaces and then I also heard my own voice. Um, and then I also heard my own voice. Um, and then I also heard my own voice. Um, you know, one thing I want to say also you know, one thing I want to say also you know, one thing I want to say also is, um, this is such an incredible group is, um, this is such an incredible group is, um, this is such an incredible group of people that we have uh on stage and of people that we have uh on stage and of people that we have uh on stage and it is in in addition to the incredible it is in in addition to the incredible it is in in addition to the incredible work that they do, they they travel from work that they do, they they travel from work that they do, they they travel from all over the world to come here and to all over the world to come here and to all over the world to come here and to um learn these talks and to deliver them um learn these talks and to deliver them um learn these talks and to deliver them on stage and that is even though they're on stage and that is even though they're on stage and that is even though they're making it look easy, that is no easy making it look easy, that is no easy making it look easy, that is no easy feat. So, if you could just give them feat. So, if you could just give them feat. So, if you could just give them all another huge round of applause. all another huge round of applause. all another huge round of applause. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, we have uh one more speaker in Okay, we have uh one more speaker in this session and then there is the break this session and then there is the break this session and then there is the break and um during the break you can actually and um during the break you can actually and um during the break you can actually use some of the ideas that James was use some of the ideas that James was use some of the ideas that James was talking about in the build the change talking about in the build the change talking about in the build the change activation. So you can u do some of that activation. So you can u do some of that activation. So you can u do some of that there. Um our final speaker for this there. Um our final speaker for this there. Um our final speaker for this session is a founding faculty member at session is a founding faculty member at session is a founding faculty member at the NYU game center and he is the the NYU game center and he is the the NYU game center and he is the co-founder of Game Lab Studio. He has co-founder of Game Lab Studio. He has co-founder of Game Lab Studio. He has designed award-winning games on and off designed award-winning games on and off designed award-winning games on and off the computer from the smash hit Diner the computer from the smash hit Diner the computer from the smash hit Diner Dash to largecale public games exhibited Dash to largecale public games exhibited Dash to largecale public games exhibited at the Museum of Modern Art and the at the Museum of Modern Art and the at the Museum of Modern Art and the Smithsonian American Art Museum. Please Smithsonian American Art Museum. Please Smithsonian American Art Museum. Please give a big round of applause to Eric give a big round of applause to Eric give a big round of applause to Eric Zimmerman.

Hello everybody. Um, I'm Eric and I'm a Hello everybody. Um, I'm Eric and I'm a game designer and that means that I make game designer and that means that I make game designer and that means that I make video games, I make tabletop games. Um, video games, I make tabletop games. Um, video games, I make tabletop games. Um, I work with architect Natalie Potsy to I work with architect Natalie Potsy to I work with architect Natalie Potsy to do large scale museum installations and do large scale museum installations and do large scale museum installations and uh, I also write books about game design uh, I also write books about game design uh, I also write books about game design and I teach at the NYU Game Center at and I teach at the NYU Game Center at and I teach at the NYU Game Center at Tish School of the Arts where we think Tish School of the Arts where we think Tish School of the Arts where we think about games as an art form and also play about games as an art form and also play about games as an art form and also play as a deep form of literacy. Um, today I as a deep form of literacy. Um, today I as a deep form of literacy. Um, today I want to talk to you from my point of want to talk to you from my point of want to talk to you from my point of view as a game designer, um, about how view as a game designer, um, about how view as a game designer, um, about how to really make something that engages to really make something that engages to really make something that engages and grabs and hooks an audience, right? and grabs and hooks an audience, right? and grabs and hooks an audience, right? And how you can apply these ideas to And how you can apply these ideas to And how you can apply these ideas to whatever it is that that you do. Um, and whatever it is that that you do. Um, and whatever it is that that you do. Um, and how do we do that? We play with rules, how do we do that? We play with rules, how do we do that? We play with rules, right? I'm gonna I'm going to talk about right? I'm gonna I'm going to talk about right? I'm gonna I'm going to talk about that and I'm I want to structure that in that and I'm I want to structure that in that and I'm I want to structure that in terms of a series of levels. Um, uh, so terms of a series of levels. Um, uh, so terms of a series of levels. Um, uh, so I'm I'm sorry about the level thing, but I'm I'm sorry about the level thing, but I'm I'm sorry about the level thing, but you know, I am a game designer, so here you know, I am a game designer, so here you know, I am a game designer, so here we are. Um, so, uh, let's start at the we are. Um, so, uh, let's start at the we are. Um, so, uh, let's start at the beginning, right? Rules. Okay, what what beginning, right? Rules. Okay, what what beginning, right? Rules. Okay, what what are rules? What do I mean by rules? are rules? What do I mean by rules? are rules? What do I mean by rules? Well, think about when you buy a board Well, think about when you buy a board Well, think about when you buy a board game. What are you actually buying?

game. What are you actually buying? game. What are you actually buying? Well, you have like a, you know, maybe a Well, you have like a, you know, maybe a Well, you have like a, you know, maybe a pretty box. There are some cards and pretty box. There are some cards and pretty box. There are some cards and dice and little pieces, but what you're dice and little pieces, but what you're dice and little pieces, but what you're really buying is rules, right? Rules really buying is rules, right? Rules really buying is rules, right? Rules from one point of view is the essence of from one point of view is the essence of from one point of view is the essence of what a game is. rules tell you what to what a game is. rules tell you what to what a game is. rules tell you what to do each turn and how to win. If you're do each turn and how to win. If you're do each turn and how to win. If you're if you're like playing the game and it's if you're like playing the game and it's if you're like playing the game and it's like, "Oh, we landed on a red space. like, "Oh, we landed on a red space. like, "Oh, we landed on a red space. What does that mean?" I don't know. You What does that mean?" I don't know. You What does that mean?" I don't know. You have to we have to clarify this have to we have to clarify this have to we have to clarify this ambiguity by referring to the rules, ambiguity by referring to the rules, ambiguity by referring to the rules, right? Um let me let me give you another right? Um let me let me give you another right? Um let me let me give you another example. Let's say you're playing example. Let's say you're playing example. Let's say you're playing baseball, right? And you say, "Okay, baseball, right? And you say, "Okay, baseball, right? And you say, "Okay, this this tree here is second base." this this tree here is second base." this this tree here is second base." Okay, so I'm playing I'm here on second Okay, so I'm playing I'm here on second Okay, so I'm playing I'm here on second base. Uh, and then while the next batter base. Uh, and then while the next batter base. Uh, and then while the next batter is up, I'm like, "Oh, maybe I can like is up, I'm like, "Oh, maybe I can like is up, I'm like, "Oh, maybe I can like hold on to this little twig like way hold on to this little twig like way hold on to this little twig like way over here and get as close as I can to over here and get as close as I can to over here and get as close as I can to third base, right?" And then I'm tagged third base, right?" And then I'm tagged third base, right?" And then I'm tagged out and I'm like, "Wait, wait a second. out and I'm like, "Wait, wait a second. out and I'm like, "Wait, wait a second. I'm on second base. You're not on second I'm on second base. You're not on second I'm on second base. You're not on second base. Second base is a tree. It's not base. Second base is a tree. It's not base. Second base is a tree. It's not the tree. It's the trunk of the tree." the tree. It's the trunk of the tree." the tree. It's the trunk of the tree." Right? Okay. There's an argument here. Right? Okay. There's an argument here. Right? Okay. There's an argument here. And and in order to actually play the And and in order to actually play the And and in order to actually play the game of baseball, we'd have to resolve game of baseball, we'd have to resolve game of baseball, we'd have to resolve this ambiguity, right? In order to move this ambiguity, right? In order to move this ambiguity, right? In order to move the game forward. So from this point of the game forward. So from this point of the game forward. So from this point of view, like games don't sound like that view, like games don't sound like that view, like games don't sound like that much fun, right? rules are like rigid much fun, right? rules are like rigid much fun, right? rules are like rigid and fixed and logical, right? But the and fixed and logical, right? But the and fixed and logical, right? But the the amazing thing about games is that if the amazing thing about games is that if the amazing thing about games is that if you decide to enter into those rules, you decide to enter into those rules, you decide to enter into those rules, right? If you if you decide to play, right? If you if you decide to play, right? If you if you decide to play, then what what happens is play. And play then what what happens is play. And play then what what happens is play. And play is the opposite of rules, right? So if is the opposite of rules, right? So if is the opposite of rules, right? So if rules are logical and rigid and fixed rules are logical and rigid and fixed rules are logical and rigid and fixed and unchanging, play is spontaneous and and unchanging, play is spontaneous and and unchanging, play is spontaneous and and creative and and unexpected and it's and creative and and unexpected and it's and creative and and unexpected and it's so much the opposite of rules, right?

so much the opposite of rules, right? so much the opposite of rules, right? But we need those rules in order to help But we need those rules in order to help But we need those rules in order to help facilitate that play. Which brings us to facilitate that play. Which brings us to facilitate that play. Which brings us to our next level. Play, right? Okay. our next level. Play, right? Okay. our next level. Play, right? Okay. Play is not something that just happens Play is not something that just happens Play is not something that just happens on its own. With play, we always play. on its own. With play, we always play. on its own. With play, we always play. We always play with something, right? We always play with something, right? We always play with something, right? Let me let me explain what I mean. Let's Let me let me explain what I mean. Let's Let me let me explain what I mean. Let's let's take like we can play with any let's take like we can play with any let's take like we can play with any system. Even this is a system just like system. Even this is a system just like system. Even this is a system just like walking, right? So here's here's walking, right? So here's here's walking, right? So here's here's walking. Let me demonstrate walking for walking. Let me demonstrate walking for walking. Let me demonstrate walking for you. Walking. I'm walking. Right? So you. Walking. I'm walking. Right? So you. Walking. I'm walking. Right? So that's like the logical sort of that's like the logical sort of that's like the logical sort of efficient transportation idea of efficient transportation idea of efficient transportation idea of walking, just getting from point A to walking, just getting from point A to walking, just getting from point A to point B. But if you imagine in your head point B. But if you imagine in your head point B. But if you imagine in your head a child walking playfully, something a child walking playfully, something a child walking playfully, something else is happening, right? What what is else is happening, right? What what is else is happening, right? What what is happening? What are you imagining? happening? What are you imagining? happening? What are you imagining? Somebody shout it out. Somebody shout it out. Somebody shout it out. >> Skipping. Okay. So let me I will >> Skipping. Okay. So let me I will >> Skipping. Okay. So let me I will demonstrate. Okay. Skipping. What's demonstrate. Okay. Skipping. What's demonstrate. Okay. Skipping. What's another one? another one? another one? >> Wait. Wait. Running. >> Wait. Wait. Running. >> Wait. Wait. Running. >> Wand Oh, wandering. Right. Okay. I'm >> Wand Oh, wandering. Right. Okay. I'm >> Wand Oh, wandering. Right. Okay. I'm gonna fall off stage here. Okay. Wait. gonna fall off stage here. Okay. Wait. gonna fall off stage here. Okay. Wait. So wandering. What's another one? So wandering. What's another one? So wandering. What's another one? >> Hopping. Okay, you guys are really >> Hopping. Okay, you guys are really >> Hopping. Okay, you guys are really putting me to work up here. One more putting me to work up here. One more putting me to work up here. One more >> crawling.

>> crawling. >> crawling. >> Oh, yeah. Great. All right. This is >> Oh, yeah. Great. All right. This is >> Oh, yeah. Great. All right. This is becoming like masochistic, I think. becoming like masochistic, I think. becoming like masochistic, I think. Okay. So, I All right. All right. So, Okay. So, I All right. All right. So, Okay. So, I All right. All right. So, what what is happening here? What what's what what is happening here? What what's what what is happening here? What what's going on? Well, I'm playing with the going on? Well, I'm playing with the going on? Well, I'm playing with the rules of walking, right? So, however we rules of walking, right? So, however we rules of walking, right? So, however we see a kid avoiding cracks or skipping or see a kid avoiding cracks or skipping or see a kid avoiding cracks or skipping or hopping, they're playing with well, hopping, they're playing with well, hopping, they're playing with well, they're certainly playing with space and they're certainly playing with space and they're certainly playing with space and time, right? This idea of walking as time, right? This idea of walking as time, right? This idea of walking as this efficient transportation. They're this efficient transportation. They're this efficient transportation. They're playing with their bodies. They're playing with their bodies. They're playing with their bodies. They're playing with gravity. They're playing playing with gravity. They're playing playing with gravity. They're playing with maybe with like the social with maybe with like the social with maybe with like the social etiquette of the sidewalk because etiquette of the sidewalk because etiquette of the sidewalk because they're getting in people's ways, right? they're getting in people's ways, right? they're getting in people's ways, right? Because they're doing things that are Because they're doing things that are Because they're doing things that are that are unexpected and inappropriate, that are unexpected and inappropriate, that are unexpected and inappropriate, right? But that's play. Um, and this is right? But that's play. Um, and this is right? But that's play. Um, and this is why, you know, play it's like a it's why, you know, play it's like a it's why, you know, play it's like a it's like a uh it's like a very collaborative like a uh it's like a very collaborative like a uh it's like a very collaborative parasite. It's like it grabs on to parasite. It's like it grabs on to parasite. It's like it grabs on to something, but instead of sucking the something, but instead of sucking the something, but instead of sucking the life out of it, it it does the opposite. life out of it, it it does the opposite. life out of it, it it does the opposite. It just adds joy. And this is why play It just adds joy. And this is why play It just adds joy. And this is why play is creativity because if we wanted to is creativity because if we wanted to is creativity because if we wanted to invent new forms of walking, this is invent new forms of walking, this is invent new forms of walking, this is what we would do. We would we would look what we would do. We would we would look what we would do. We would we would look at those structures. What are the rules at those structures. What are the rules at those structures. What are the rules of walking? What are the leverage points of walking? What are the leverage points of walking? What are the leverage points where we can start playing around with where we can start playing around with where we can start playing around with those structures and and how can we then those structures and and how can we then those structures and and how can we then start to sort of poke and prod in them start to sort of poke and prod in them start to sort of poke and prod in them to to to play with those structures and to to to play with those structures and to to to play with those structures and maybe invent something completely new.

maybe invent something completely new. maybe invent something completely new. All right, back to our levels. We're All right, back to our levels. We're All right, back to our levels. We're we're at our next level, design. All we're at our next level, design. All we're at our next level, design. All right. So, we looked at we looked at right. So, we looked at we looked at right. So, we looked at we looked at what rules are. We looked at how we can what rules are. We looked at how we can what rules are. We looked at how we can play with systems. And now I want to play with systems. And now I want to play with systems. And now I want to talk about how game designers actually talk about how game designers actually talk about how game designers actually create a game, how we how we build games create a game, how we how we build games create a game, how we how we build games out of constraints. And I actually need out of constraints. And I actually need out of constraints. And I actually need two volunteers from the audience for two volunteers from the audience for two volunteers from the audience for this. So, I have a couple of volunteers. this. So, I have a couple of volunteers. this. So, I have a couple of volunteers. Okay. One, I saw you two uh come on up. Okay. One, I saw you two uh come on up. Okay. One, I saw you two uh come on up. Okay. So, come on up on stage. Let's Okay. So, come on up on stage. Let's Okay. So, come on up on stage. Let's give a round of applause for our brave give a round of applause for our brave give a round of applause for our brave volunteers. All right. I'll have you two volunteers. All right. I'll have you two volunteers. All right. I'll have you two stand over here. Stand right over here. stand over here. Stand right over here. stand over here. Stand right over here. Okay. So, uh, what are your names? Okay. So, uh, what are your names? Okay. So, uh, what are your names? >> Mila. >> Mila. >> Mila. >> Mila and >> Mila and >> Mila and >> Okay, we're getting you, Mike. So, uh, >> Okay, we're getting you, Mike. So, uh, >> Okay, we're getting you, Mike. So, uh, Mila, just take a step back here. Okay. Mila, just take a step back here. Okay. Mila, just take a step back here. Okay. I've been told exactly where to position I've been told exactly where to position I've been told exactly where to position you for, uh, for, uh, for proper camera you for, uh, for, uh, for proper camera you for, uh, for, uh, for proper camera coverage. Um, so, um, okay, we're going coverage. Um, so, um, okay, we're going coverage. Um, so, um, okay, we're going to play a game. And this game may not to play a game. And this game may not to play a game. And this game may not work at first. So, you we'll just take work at first. So, you we'll just take work at first. So, you we'll just take it step by step. Okay. I'm going to give it step by step. Okay. I'm going to give it step by step. Okay. I'm going to give you some rules. Um, uh, Mila, we'll you some rules. Um, uh, Mila, we'll you some rules. Um, uh, Mila, we'll start with you. And uh what I want you start with you. And uh what I want you start with you. And uh what I want you two to do is just alternate saying a two to do is just alternate saying a two to do is just alternate saying a word. Okay? It can be any word. And the word. Okay? It can be any word. And the word. Okay? It can be any word. And the only rule is that you can't repeat a only rule is that you can't repeat a only rule is that you can't repeat a word that's already been said.

word that's already been said. word that's already been said. >> Okay? Go ahead. >> Okay? Go ahead. >> Okay? Go ahead. >> Cheese. >> Cheese. >> Cheese. >> Cheese. >> Cheese. >> Cheese. >> Play. >> Play. >> Play. >> Yellow. >> Yellow. >> Yellow. >> Freedom. >> Freedom. >> Freedom. >> Red. >> Red. >> Red. >> Okay. That's a start. Maybe not really a >> Okay. That's a start. Maybe not really a >> Okay. That's a start. Maybe not really a fun game yet, but that's that's okay. fun game yet, but that's that's okay. fun game yet, but that's that's okay. That's that's not your fault. That's on That's that's not your fault. That's on That's that's not your fault. That's on me. I'm the game designer. Um Okay. I me. I'm the game designer. Um Okay. I me. I'm the game designer. Um Okay. I I'm going to add another rule. We're I'm going to add another rule. We're I'm going to add another rule. We're going to keep all of the rules that we going to keep all of the rules that we going to keep all of the rules that we had before. So, you're going to had before. So, you're going to had before. So, you're going to alternate saying words. You're not going alternate saying words. You're not going alternate saying words. You're not going to repeat a word that's already been to repeat a word that's already been to repeat a word that's already been said, but I want to add a restriction. I said, but I want to add a restriction. I said, but I want to add a restriction. I want to I like your cheese uh opening. want to I like your cheese uh opening. want to I like your cheese uh opening. That was a very uh interesting opening. That was a very uh interesting opening. That was a very uh interesting opening. We're going to restrict it just to food. We're going to restrict it just to food. We're going to restrict it just to food. So, things you eat or drink, So, things you eat or drink, So, things you eat or drink, ingredients, dishes, otherwise the same ingredients, dishes, otherwise the same ingredients, dishes, otherwise the same rules. Okay. rules. Okay. rules. Okay. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. Whenever you're ready, >> All right. Whenever you're ready, >> All right. Whenever you're ready, >> go ahead. Uh, ketchup, >> go ahead. Uh, ketchup, >> go ahead. Uh, ketchup, >> mustard, >> mustard, >> mustard, >> pizza, >> pizza, >> pizza, >> hot dogs. >> hot dogs. >> hot dogs. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> what was that? >> what was that? >> what was that? >> Water. >> Water. >> Water. >> Water. Okay, I like that. Yes, water. A >> Water. Okay, I like that. Yes, water. A >> Water. Okay, I like that. Yes, water. A beverage. Of course, that that may beverage. Of course, that that may beverage. Of course, that that may actually have been less interesting than actually have been less interesting than actually have been less interesting than our first version. That's okay. It's not our first version. That's okay. It's not our first version. That's okay. It's not on you. I'm the game designer. I'm on you. I'm the game designer. I'm on you. I'm the game designer. I'm responsible here. So, um, what what what responsible here. So, um, what what what responsible here. So, um, what what what we're going to do is we're going to add, we're going to do is we're going to add, we're going to do is we're going to add, um, we're going to add one more rule.

um, we're going to add one more rule. um, we're going to add one more rule. Okay. Okay. Okay. going to keep everything we had before. going to keep everything we had before. going to keep everything we had before. You two are going to alternate saying You two are going to alternate saying You two are going to alternate saying rules so you can't repeat a word that's rules so you can't repeat a word that's rules so you can't repeat a word that's been said before. We're going to stick been said before. We're going to stick been said before. We're going to stick to edibles, beverages, dishes, things to edibles, beverages, dishes, things to edibles, beverages, dishes, things that you can eat or drink. But when Mila that you can eat or drink. But when Mila that you can eat or drink. But when Mila says a word, the last letter of your says a word, the last letter of your says a word, the last letter of your word is going to be the first letter of word is going to be the first letter of word is going to be the first letter of your word, Eda. And vice versa, the last your word, Eda. And vice versa, the last your word, Eda. And vice versa, the last letter of word is going to be the first letter of word is going to be the first letter of word is going to be the first letter of Ma's word. Let's see how this letter of Ma's word. Let's see how this letter of Ma's word. Let's see how this goes. Okay. And goes. Okay. And goes. Okay. And >> uh whenever you're ready, take a step >> uh whenever you're ready, take a step >> uh whenever you're ready, take a step for it. for it. for it. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Let's go. >> Yes. Let's go. >> Yes. Let's go. >> Cake. >> Cake. >> Cake. Cake >> Evian is a type of drink. Does that >> Evian is a type of drink. Does that work? work? work? >> Evian ends with an N. >> Okay. Easy. >> Okay. Easy. >> Uh, almonds. >> Uh, almonds. >> Uh, almonds. >> Oh. Yes, >> Oh. Yes, >> Oh. Yes, >> Shirley Temple.

>> Shirley Temple. >> Shirley Temple. >> OH, WOW. LET'S GIVE IT UP FOR OUR two >> OH, WOW. LET'S GIVE IT UP FOR OUR two >> OH, WOW. LET'S GIVE IT UP FOR OUR two volunteers. Amazing. I love it. Thank volunteers. Amazing. I love it. Thank volunteers. Amazing. I love it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thanks. you so much. Thank you so much. Thanks. you so much. Thank you so much. Thanks. You're Yeah, you could take those off You're Yeah, you could take those off You're Yeah, you could take those off stage. Okay. Wow. That was amazing. All stage. Okay. Wow. That was amazing. All stage. Okay. Wow. That was amazing. All right. What? Here's what I want to point right. What? Here's what I want to point right. What? Here's what I want to point out. Something happened that third time out. Something happened that third time out. Something happened that third time around, right? When we we were when we around, right? When we we were when we around, right? When we we were when we were adding rules, something happened in were adding rules, something happened in were adding rules, something happened in that final version of the game. It that final version of the game. It that final version of the game. It wasn't just that that these two suddenly wasn't just that that these two suddenly wasn't just that that these two suddenly got much more focused and and uh got much more focused and and uh got much more focused and and uh intensely like wanting to play the game intensely like wanting to play the game intensely like wanting to play the game well, but I also heard everybody well, but I also heard everybody well, but I also heard everybody starting to lean forward. I heard starting to lean forward. I heard starting to lean forward. I heard whisperings. I heard suggestions coming whisperings. I heard suggestions coming whisperings. I heard suggestions coming from the audience, some of which were from the audience, some of which were from the audience, some of which were taken, right? And we also started to see taken, right? And we also started to see taken, right? And we also started to see some amazing play with the rules, right? some amazing play with the rules, right? some amazing play with the rules, right? We sort of switched over to some brand We sort of switched over to some brand We sort of switched over to some brand names. We got some uh uh we we we we got names. We got some uh uh we we we we got names. We got some uh uh we we we we got some uh sort of multi like Shirley some uh sort of multi like Shirley some uh sort of multi like Shirley Temple uh was an awesome awesome closing Temple uh was an awesome awesome closing Temple uh was an awesome awesome closing move there. Um so so um what game move there. Um so so um what game move there. Um so so um what game designers do is work with these designers do is work with these designers do is work with these constraints, right? These constraints constraints, right? These constraints constraints, right? These constraints focus and guide the play of players. Now focus and guide the play of players. Now focus and guide the play of players. Now it may seem when you're playing a video it may seem when you're playing a video it may seem when you're playing a video game that it's the opposite that that game that it's the opposite that that game that it's the opposite that that it's like video game lets you go it's like video game lets you go it's like video game lets you go anywhere and do anything and be anyone.

anywhere and do anything and be anyone. anywhere and do anything and be anyone. But actually from a designer's point of But actually from a designer's point of But actually from a designer's point of view, we work with constraints and those view, we work with constraints and those view, we work with constraints and those constraints guide and focus the creative constraints guide and focus the creative constraints guide and focus the creative activity. And you know it can be that activity. And you know it can be that activity. And you know it can be that too many constraints are a problem right too many constraints are a problem right too many constraints are a problem right I could have said oh let's also now make I could have said oh let's also now make I could have said oh let's also now make it only sevenletter words right and you it only sevenletter words right and you it only sevenletter words right and you probably would have thrown me off stage probably would have thrown me off stage probably would have thrown me off stage so yes so so so finding that balance so yes so so so finding that balance so yes so so so finding that balance right finding the right amount of right finding the right amount of right finding the right amount of constraints to guide and move the move constraints to guide and move the move constraints to guide and move the move move the game forward into that creative move the game forward into that creative move the game forward into that creative space of play that's game design and um space of play that's game design and um space of play that's game design and um when you see players just like we did when you see players just like we did when you see players just like we did here and all of you actually joining in here and all of you actually joining in here and all of you actually joining in not just playing in the system but not just playing in the system but not just playing in the system but starting to play with the system and starting to play with the system and starting to play with the system and kind of bend bending and breaking rules kind of bend bending and breaking rules kind of bend bending and breaking rules like audience suggestions for example like audience suggestions for example like audience suggestions for example that's when we know we've really got that's when we know we've really got that's when we know we've really got something cooking and percolating and something cooking and percolating and something cooking and percolating and we're in that amazing space of play. we're in that amazing space of play. we're in that amazing space of play. Okay, we are we have we've looked at Okay, we are we have we've looked at Okay, we are we have we've looked at rules and uh we looked at uh uh playing rules and uh we looked at uh uh playing rules and uh we looked at uh uh playing with systems and uh how to design with with systems and uh how to design with with systems and uh how to design with constraints and the boss level here is constraints and the boss level here is constraints and the boss level here is thinking about how to apply this to what thinking about how to apply this to what thinking about how to apply this to what you do, right? To your project or you do, right? To your project or you do, right? To your project or organization. Um because there's a organization. Um because there's a organization. Um because there's a methodology here, right? The methodology methodology here, right? The methodology methodology here, right? The methodology is um looking at and understanding the is um looking at and understanding the is um looking at and understanding the system. How does the system work? How is system. How does the system work? How is system. How does the system work? How is it structured? And then what are those it structured? And then what are those it structured? And then what are those leverage points for play? How can you leverage points for play? How can you leverage points for play? How can you start poking around and playing with a start poking around and playing with a start poking around and playing with a system maybe in ways that are unexpected system maybe in ways that are unexpected system maybe in ways that are unexpected and even inappropriate? Um, and then as and even inappropriate? Um, and then as and even inappropriate? Um, and then as you start building this experience, can you start building this experience, can you start building this experience, can you don't be afraid of constraints, you don't be afraid of constraints, you don't be afraid of constraints, right? Use those constraints to kind of right? Use those constraints to kind of right? Use those constraints to kind of guide and focus the behavior of your

guide and focus the behavior of your guide and focus the behavior of your audiences. Um, I want to finish just audiences. Um, I want to finish just audiences. Um, I want to finish just with a few quick examples. Um, I was at with a few quick examples. Um, I was at with a few quick examples. Um, I was at a dinner party uh recently, like a big a dinner party uh recently, like a big a dinner party uh recently, like a big fancy dinner party, room full of fancy dinner party, room full of fancy dinner party, room full of interesting people like kind of like all interesting people like kind of like all interesting people like kind of like all of you here today. amazing group here of you here today. amazing group here of you here today. amazing group here and but I was only at a table with like and but I was only at a table with like and but I was only at a table with like a handful of them and I thought to a handful of them and I thought to a handful of them and I thought to myself, how how can I actually interact myself, how how can I actually interact myself, how how can I actually interact with more people here and not be just with more people here and not be just with more people here and not be just with the same people all evening? Well, with the same people all evening? Well, with the same people all evening? Well, after the first course, I stole all the after the first course, I stole all the after the first course, I stole all the name uh tags at the table and I randomly name uh tags at the table and I randomly name uh tags at the table and I randomly put them around at different tables. put them around at different tables. put them around at different tables. Luckily, everyone played along, but that Luckily, everyone played along, but that Luckily, everyone played along, but that little bit of of playful design made a little bit of of playful design made a little bit of of playful design made a huge experience uh huge difference on huge experience uh huge difference on huge experience uh huge difference on everyone's experience. Um uh another everyone's experience. Um uh another everyone's experience. Um uh another another example, there's a There's a a another example, there's a There's a a another example, there's a There's a a wonderful performance space not too far wonderful performance space not too far wonderful performance space not too far from here in Brooklyn, St. An's from here in Brooklyn, St. An's from here in Brooklyn, St. An's warehouse. And there's a wonderful warehouse. And there's a wonderful warehouse. And there's a wonderful example of playful architectural design example of playful architectural design example of playful architectural design there in the bathrooms. So that the the there in the bathrooms. So that the the there in the bathrooms. So that the the bathrooms have these giant signs like bathrooms have these giant signs like bathrooms have these giant signs like men over here and women over here and men over here and women over here and men over here and women over here and like giant like taller than a person like giant like taller than a person like giant like taller than a person sign. And so you sort of you go in these sign. And so you sort of you go in these sign. And so you sort of you go in these grand entrances and then when you go in grand entrances and then when you go in grand entrances and then when you go in you realize, oh wait a second, they you realize, oh wait a second, they you realize, oh wait a second, they actually both connect to the same space actually both connect to the same space actually both connect to the same space inside, right? And so I love that. It's inside, right? And so I love that. It's inside, right? And so I love that. It's so unexpected. It's playing with our so unexpected. It's playing with our so unexpected. It's playing with our expectations, but it's also playing with expectations, but it's also playing with expectations, but it's also playing with um our the sort of notion of a gender um our the sort of notion of a gender um our the sort of notion of a gender binary, right? And that sort of social binary, right? And that sort of social binary, right? And that sort of social etiquette of bathrooms. And um it's just etiquette of bathrooms. And um it's just etiquette of bathrooms. And um it's just so delightful uh and a wonderful example so delightful uh and a wonderful example so delightful uh and a wonderful example of of designed play. Um and finally, of of designed play. Um and finally, of of designed play. Um and finally, final example, um I've been working with final example, um I've been working with final example, um I've been working with these amazing organizations, Games for

these amazing organizations, Games for these amazing organizations, Games for Change and Action for Democracy, and Change and Action for Democracy, and Change and Action for Democracy, and we've been thinking about democracy as a we've been thinking about democracy as a we've been thinking about democracy as a design problem. And this summer, we're design problem. And this summer, we're design problem. And this summer, we're bringing together game designers and bringing together game designers and bringing together game designers and policy experts to think about how can we policy experts to think about how can we policy experts to think about how can we play with the structures of democracy play with the structures of democracy play with the structures of democracy and maybe poke around in those systems, and maybe poke around in those systems, and maybe poke around in those systems, do something unexpected and do something unexpected and do something unexpected and inappropriate, and maybe uh uh move them inappropriate, and maybe uh uh move them inappropriate, and maybe uh uh move them playfully into a new and better space. playfully into a new and better space. playfully into a new and better space. Um, I don't know what's going to happen Um, I don't know what's going to happen Um, I don't know what's going to happen there, but definitely wish me luck. there, but definitely wish me luck. there, but definitely wish me luck. We'll need it. Whatever you do, keep We'll need it. Whatever you do, keep We'll need it. Whatever you do, keep playing. And thank you very much, Uh, that was amazing, Eric. That was Uh, that was amazing, Eric. That was amazing. Okay, we have come to the end amazing. Okay, we have come to the end amazing. Okay, we have come to the end of session two. Play is a craft live of session two. Play is a craft live of session two. Play is a craft live stream community. Please stick around stream community. Please stick around stream community. Please stick around for exclusive interviews, games, TED for exclusive interviews, games, TED for exclusive interviews, games, TED animations, and behind the-scenes animations, and behind the-scenes animations, and behind the-scenes moments, including another piece on the moments, including another piece on the moments, including another piece on the accordion by Maria, and the chance to accordion by Maria, and the chance to accordion by Maria, and the chance to watch Eric talk more about games while watch Eric talk more about games while watch Eric talk more about games while he plays them. Um, and before you see he plays them. Um, and before you see he plays them. Um, and before you see all of that, we want to make sure that all of that, we want to make sure that all of that, we want to make sure that everyone in this room and also on the everyone in this room and also on the everyone in this room and also on the live stream knows about an incredible live stream knows about an incredible live stream knows about an incredible day that is coming up. Mark your day that is coming up. Mark your day that is coming up. Mark your calendars. June 11th is the calendars. June 11th is the calendars. June 11th is the International Day of Play here in New International Day of Play here in New International Day of Play here in New York. The United Nations lawn will York. The United Nations lawn will York. The United Nations lawn will please, yeah, give a round of applause please, yeah, give a round of applause please, yeah, give a round of applause for International Day of Play. Here in for International Day of Play. Here in for International Day of Play. Here in New York, the United Nations lawn is New York, the United Nations lawn is New York, the United Nations lawn is going to transform into playtime at the going to transform into playtime at the going to transform into playtime at the UN. It's an open air playground where UN. It's an open air playground where UN. It's an open air playground where children, leaders, and everyone else can children, leaders, and everyone else can children, leaders, and everyone else can come together to celebrate the joy, come together to celebrate the joy, come together to celebrate the joy, power, and importance of play. And it is power, and importance of play. And it is power, and importance of play. And it is going to be amazing, and we hope that going to be amazing, and we hope that going to be amazing, and we hope that you will all be there. And to join,

you will all be there. And to join, you will all be there. And to join, there is a form that you can fill out there is a form that you can fill out there is a form that you can fill out online. Nothing more playful than a online. Nothing more playful than a online. Nothing more playful than a form. You can find that form online at form. You can find that form online at form. You can find that form online at ted.com/play ted.com/play ted.com/play along with all of the details. Okay, along with all of the details. Okay, along with all of the details. Okay, live stream. Please enjoy the studio live stream. Please enjoy the studio live stream. Please enjoy the studio session. Alex, I'm handing it back off session. Alex, I'm handing it back off session. Alex, I'm handing it back off to you. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Thank you, Chris. We're back. We're and >> Thank you, Chris. We're back. We're and >> Thank you, Chris. We're back. We're and better than ever. I'm Alex Rosenthal. better than ever. I'm Alex Rosenthal. better than ever. I'm Alex Rosenthal. >> And I'm Alexander Panzer, and we're here >> And I'm Alexander Panzer, and we're here >> And I'm Alexander Panzer, and we're here in the TED atplay studio. Um, where we in the TED atplay studio. Um, where we in the TED atplay studio. Um, where we continue the conversations and get a continue the conversations and get a continue the conversations and get a little playful. Um, speaking of which, little playful. Um, speaking of which, little playful. Um, speaking of which, we loved hearing about the upcoming we loved hearing about the upcoming we loved hearing about the upcoming International Day of Play coming up International Day of Play coming up International Day of Play coming up right around the corner on June 11th. right around the corner on June 11th. right around the corner on June 11th. So, you can go to ted.com/play So, you can go to ted.com/play So, you can go to ted.com/play to find out how to participate and get to find out how to participate and get to find out how to participate and get all the details on this exciting event. all the details on this exciting event. all the details on this exciting event. >> We have a lot of fun coming up for you >> We have a lot of fun coming up for you >> We have a lot of fun coming up for you now. We have interviews, we have games, now. We have interviews, we have games, now. We have interviews, we have games, we have a really special performance we have a really special performance we have a really special performance that Alexander is about to introduce. that Alexander is about to introduce. that Alexander is about to introduce. >> That's right. Fresh off the TED stage, >> That's right. Fresh off the TED stage, >> That's right. Fresh off the TED stage, we have a special live performance from we have a special live performance from we have a special live performance from Maria Tellesa.

Hi. Amazing. Hi. Amazing. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Wow. Thank you so much, Maria. That was >> Wow. Thank you so much, Maria. That was >> Wow. Thank you so much, Maria. That was beautiful. beautiful. beautiful. >> Thank you. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, while >> Thank you. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, while >> Thank you. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, while we have this here, can you give can you we have this here, can you give can you we have this here, can you give can you just give me a little tour of your just give me a little tour of your just give me a little tour of your instrument? What do what do all these instrument? What do what do all these instrument? What do what do all these buttons do? buttons do? buttons do? >> Yes. So, this is a chromatic B system >> Yes. So, this is a chromatic B system >> Yes. So, this is a chromatic B system button accordion. And there are 120 button accordion. And there are 120 button accordion. And there are 120 buttons on the left side and 106 on the buttons on the left side and 106 on the buttons on the left side and 106 on the right side. right side. right side. >> Do you know what they all are? >> Do you know what they all are? >> Do you know what they all are? >> Yes. Unfortunately, yes. >> Yes. Unfortunately, yes. >> Yes. Unfortunately, yes. >> Wild. >> Wild. >> Wild. >> But yeah, it's a beautiful instrument. >> But yeah, it's a beautiful instrument. >> But yeah, it's a beautiful instrument. This here in the middle is the bellows, This here in the middle is the bellows, This here in the middle is the bellows, which I push in and out, and they which I push in and out, and they which I push in and out, and they control the airflow and dynamics. Um, control the airflow and dynamics. Um, control the airflow and dynamics. Um, and then up here I have a little bit of and then up here I have a little bit of and then up here I have a little bit of a fun feature. They're called chin a fun feature. They're called chin a fun feature. They're called chin switches, which I operate like this, switches, which I operate like this, switches, which I operate like this, which change the tone of the sound, so I which change the tone of the sound, so I which change the tone of the sound, so I can imitate other instruments. can imitate other instruments. can imitate other instruments. >> Oh, wow. And so then, so these are like >> Oh, wow. And so then, so these are like >> Oh, wow. And so then, so these are like the notes sort of. And then what are the notes sort of. And then what are the notes sort of. And then what are these ones? these ones? these ones? >> These are also same as here. These are >> These are also same as here. These are >> These are also same as here. These are registers which also change the tone of registers which also change the tone of registers which also change the tone of the sound. And they are just duplicated the sound. And they are just duplicated the sound. And they are just duplicated up here for easier access. up here for easier access. up here for easier access. >> Amazing. Oh wow. Well, um, you're such a >> Amazing. Oh wow. Well, um, you're such a >> Amazing. Oh wow. Well, um, you're such a beautiful accordionist. This was I'm so beautiful accordionist. This was I'm so beautiful accordionist. This was I'm so blown away. Um I'm like very uh like blown away. Um I'm like very uh like blown away. Um I'm like very uh like moved by how expressive the accordion is moved by how expressive the accordion is moved by how expressive the accordion is and it actually Okay. It inspired me. I and it actually Okay. It inspired me. I and it actually Okay. It inspired me. I want to know if you want to play a want to know if you want to play a want to know if you want to play a little game with me.

little game with me. little game with me. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> I had this idea that rather than send >> I had this idea that rather than send >> I had this idea that rather than send people like emojis or like reaction people like emojis or like reaction people like emojis or like reaction gifts, I wish I could send them like gifts, I wish I could send them like gifts, I wish I could send them like little accordion phrases. little accordion phrases. little accordion phrases. >> Okay. So, I wondered if I could show you >> Okay. So, I wondered if I could show you >> Okay. So, I wondered if I could show you an emoji and you could, you know, do a an emoji and you could, you know, do a an emoji and you could, you know, do a little accordion moment to express little accordion moment to express little accordion moment to express whatever that emoji is expressing. whatever that emoji is expressing. whatever that emoji is expressing. >> Okay. Awesome. Yeah. >> Okay. Awesome. Yeah. >> Okay. Awesome. Yeah. >> All right. I have a few scenarios here. >> All right. I have a few scenarios here. >> All right. I have a few scenarios here. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. So, this is the first one. Your >> Okay. So, this is the first one. Your >> Okay. So, this is the first one. Your friend sends you a text. The text says, friend sends you a text. The text says, friend sends you a text. The text says, "Did you eat my sandwich? I was saving "Did you eat my sandwich? I was saving "Did you eat my sandwich? I was saving that for a special occasion. Why are you that for a special occasion. Why are you that for a special occasion. Why are you always eating my sandwiches?" And always eating my sandwiches?" And always eating my sandwiches?" And instead of sending this emoji, >> Yeah, spot on. Um, okay. Okay, another >> Yeah, spot on. Um, okay. Okay, another one. Your friend posts a picture of a one. Your friend posts a picture of a one. Your friend posts a picture of a panda hugging a koala that's hugging a panda hugging a koala that's hugging a panda hugging a koala that's hugging a kitten, and it's just too much. So, kitten, and it's just too much. So, kitten, and it's just too much. So, instead of sending this emoji, instead of sending this emoji, instead of sending this emoji, >> what do you send?

>> what do you send? >> what do you send? >> Um, I'm sorry. I know I came up with this I'm sorry. I know I came up with this game, but I love it. Okay. Okay. Last game, but I love it. Okay. Okay. Last game, but I love it. Okay. Okay. Last one. Um, your friend realizes that one. Um, your friend realizes that one. Um, your friend realizes that you've been selling her sandwiches on you've been selling her sandwiches on you've been selling her sandwiches on the black market and using the money to the black market and using the money to the black market and using the money to buy koalas. buy koalas. buy koalas. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> She said, she texts you, "You'll never >> She said, she texts you, "You'll never >> She said, she texts you, "You'll never get away with this." Instead of sending, get away with this." Instead of sending, get away with this." Instead of sending, let's see, let's see, let's see, this emoji, this emoji, this emoji, >> you send this. I am so impressed. I am so impressed. That is um Yeah, I I think we should That is um Yeah, I I think we should That is um Yeah, I I think we should record all of these and make them record all of these and make them record all of these and make them available. available. available. >> Yeah, those are definitely real life >> Yeah, those are definitely real life >> Yeah, those are definitely real life scenarios. scenarios. scenarios. >> Yeah, exactly. I mean, I I was inspired >> Yeah, exactly. I mean, I I was inspired >> Yeah, exactly. I mean, I I was inspired by you and your Tik Tok. I'd only by you and your Tik Tok. I'd only by you and your Tik Tok. I'd only assumed. Um Okay. Okay. Well, I know assumed. Um Okay. Okay. Well, I know assumed. Um Okay. Okay. Well, I know this is a very heavy instrument, so I'm this is a very heavy instrument, so I'm this is a very heavy instrument, so I'm going to let you put it down. going to let you put it down. going to let you put it down. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And um and what so one of the things I >> And um and what so one of the things I >> And um and what so one of the things I learned from your talk is that you've learned from your talk is that you've learned from your talk is that you've been playing the accordion since you been playing the accordion since you been playing the accordion since you were very little, right? How little were very little, right? How little were very little, right? How little again?

again? again? >> Six years old. >> Six years old. >> Six years old. >> Six years old. So when you were learning >> Six years old. So when you were learning >> Six years old. So when you were learning to play, were you did you think of it as to play, were you did you think of it as to play, were you did you think of it as learning or did you think of it as learning or did you think of it as learning or did you think of it as playing? Because you're in that age playing? Because you're in that age playing? Because you're in that age where you know you you find it's almost where you know you you find it's almost where you know you you find it's almost like a toy. Um yeah. And how do you see like a toy. Um yeah. And how do you see like a toy. Um yeah. And how do you see what do you is there a difference what do you is there a difference what do you is there a difference between the two? How do you think of between the two? How do you think of between the two? How do you think of that? that? that? >> I would say yes, there is a difference. >> I would say yes, there is a difference. >> I would say yes, there is a difference. And for sure when I was little, I And for sure when I was little, I And for sure when I was little, I definitely viewed it more of as play. Um definitely viewed it more of as play. Um definitely viewed it more of as play. Um I kind of I didn't know how to read I kind of I didn't know how to read I kind of I didn't know how to read sheet music when I started. So I played sheet music when I started. So I played sheet music when I started. So I played everything by ear everything by ear everything by ear >> and I would hear all of the notes as we >> and I would hear all of the notes as we >> and I would hear all of the notes as we could use Lego pieces for example. I could use Lego pieces for example. I could use Lego pieces for example. I each note represented like a Lego brick each note represented like a Lego brick each note represented like a Lego brick and I would have to shape them uh into and I would have to shape them uh into and I would have to shape them uh into whatever I wanted it to sound like uh to whatever I wanted it to sound like uh to whatever I wanted it to sound like uh to shape the dynamics and just how the shape the dynamics and just how the shape the dynamics and just how the phrase of the music flowed. Um so yeah, phrase of the music flowed. Um so yeah, phrase of the music flowed. Um so yeah, I would say I definitely viewed it as I would say I definitely viewed it as I would say I definitely viewed it as more of a fun experience rather than more of a fun experience rather than more of a fun experience rather than learning staring at a a piece of paper learning staring at a a piece of paper learning staring at a a piece of paper and reading sheet music. and reading sheet music. and reading sheet music. >> Do you think that impacted how your >> Do you think that impacted how your >> Do you think that impacted how your relationship to the instrument?

relationship to the instrument? relationship to the instrument? >> Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yeah, I would say >> Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yeah, I would say >> Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yeah, I would say when I started learning uh to read sheet when I started learning uh to read sheet when I started learning uh to read sheet music, it was honestly very difficult music, it was honestly very difficult music, it was honestly very difficult for me because I was just so used to for me because I was just so used to for me because I was just so used to hearing everything and transcribing it hearing everything and transcribing it hearing everything and transcribing it to my instrument and I almost wanted to to my instrument and I almost wanted to to my instrument and I almost wanted to quit when I was about 9 10 years old. quit when I was about 9 10 years old. quit when I was about 9 10 years old. >> So I would say having this relationship >> So I would say having this relationship >> So I would say having this relationship of fun with your instrument is very of fun with your instrument is very of fun with your instrument is very important. Well, how did you tap back important. Well, how did you tap back important. Well, how did you tap back into that then when you when you reached into that then when you when you reached into that then when you when you reached this place of like this is hard, I'm this place of like this is hard, I'm this place of like this is hard, I'm experiencing sense of failure and like experiencing sense of failure and like experiencing sense of failure and like the potential to fail. How how did you the potential to fail. How how did you the potential to fail. How how did you tap back into uh the sort of joy and tap back into uh the sort of joy and tap back into uh the sort of joy and delight of play? delight of play? delight of play? >> Well, thankfully I had my dad with me >> Well, thankfully I had my dad with me >> Well, thankfully I had my dad with me >> and he's actually here supporting me >> and he's actually here supporting me >> and he's actually here supporting me tonight uh who is my teacher and uh we tonight uh who is my teacher and uh we tonight uh who is my teacher and uh we play in a duet together and we arrange a play in a duet together and we arrange a play in a duet together and we arrange a lot of our own music. So for that I lot of our own music. So for that I lot of our own music. So for that I don't need any sheet music. So for don't need any sheet music. So for don't need any sheet music. So for breaks we always um put aside the piece breaks we always um put aside the piece breaks we always um put aside the piece that I was learning on sheet music and that I was learning on sheet music and that I was learning on sheet music and we played the piece that we were we played the piece that we were we played the piece that we were arranging together and that definitely arranging together and that definitely arranging together and that definitely gave me a break from the stressful gave me a break from the stressful gave me a break from the stressful aspects of music and to kind of really aspects of music and to kind of really aspects of music and to kind of really enjoy it and express myself.

enjoy it and express myself. enjoy it and express myself. >> Oh that's beautiful. did um so I mean h >> Oh that's beautiful. did um so I mean h >> Oh that's beautiful. did um so I mean h how many years would you say did it take how many years would you say did it take how many years would you say did it take for you to become proficient and I'm for you to become proficient and I'm for you to become proficient and I'm sure you know there's probably a smaller sure you know there's probably a smaller sure you know there's probably a smaller size accordion for a little person or size accordion for a little person or size accordion for a little person or yeah okay yeah okay yeah okay >> yeah I started on a very small accordion >> yeah I started on a very small accordion >> yeah I started on a very small accordion but honestly I'm absolutely still but honestly I'm absolutely still but honestly I'm absolutely still learning this instrument is super super learning this instrument is super super learning this instrument is super super complex um I can't say I have mastered complex um I can't say I have mastered complex um I can't say I have mastered it and I don't know if I ever will but it and I don't know if I ever will but it and I don't know if I ever will but um professionally uh performing I um professionally uh performing I um professionally uh performing I started with my dad around four years started with my dad around four years started with my dad around four years ago ago ago So it took me about maybe eight nine So it took me about maybe eight nine So it took me about maybe eight nine years to get years to get years to get >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Well, and that's what's what's so >> Well, and that's what's what's so >> Well, and that's what's what's so interesting um is that this was a lot of interesting um is that this was a lot of interesting um is that this was a lot of work. Like this is you have to put hours work. Like this is you have to put hours work. Like this is you have to put hours into this and practice and learn like into this and practice and learn like into this and practice and learn like you said reading music and um you said reading music and um you said reading music and um >> but what what what is the relationship >> but what what what is the relationship >> but what what what is the relationship between work and play? Because I think between work and play? Because I think between work and play? Because I think for a lot of people that sounds like for a lot of people that sounds like for a lot of people that sounds like >> tedious >> tedious >> tedious and um and it I'm sure it is to a and um and it I'm sure it is to a and um and it I'm sure it is to a certain extent, but how How how does certain extent, but how How how does certain extent, but how How how does like is work is play hard sometimes or like is work is play hard sometimes or like is work is play hard sometimes or Yeah. How do you think about that?

Yeah. How do you think about that? Yeah. How do you think about that? >> It can definitely be hard for sure. I am >> It can definitely be hard for sure. I am >> It can definitely be hard for sure. I am still in high school and I'm graduating still in high school and I'm graduating still in high school and I'm graduating this year. So every time this year. So every time this year. So every time >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So every time I get home I'm usually >> So every time I get home I'm usually >> So every time I get home I'm usually pretty tired. Um and sometimes I view my pretty tired. Um and sometimes I view my pretty tired. Um and sometimes I view my instrument as sort of a release and a instrument as sort of a release and a instrument as sort of a release and a break from the school and socializing. break from the school and socializing. break from the school and socializing. But sometimes it is a little bit But sometimes it is a little bit But sometimes it is a little bit difficult just because I'm physically difficult just because I'm physically difficult just because I'm physically tired and this is a very physically tired and this is a very physically tired and this is a very physically demanding instrument. demanding instrument. demanding instrument. >> So I would just say I have to get my >> So I would just say I have to get my >> So I would just say I have to get my rest in to be able to enjoy um the play rest in to be able to enjoy um the play rest in to be able to enjoy um the play after all of my school and work. after all of my school and work. after all of my school and work. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And well, so do you have any advice for >> And well, so do you have any advice for >> And well, so do you have any advice for someone who is interested in picking up someone who is interested in picking up someone who is interested in picking up an instrument and learning and kind of an instrument and learning and kind of an instrument and learning and kind of daunted by just the the slog of it? like daunted by just the the slog of it? like daunted by just the the slog of it? like knowing I'm a beginner, I'm going to get knowing I'm a beginner, I'm going to get knowing I'm a beginner, I'm going to get everything wrong. Yeah. Do you What everything wrong. Yeah. Do you What everything wrong. Yeah. Do you What would you tell someone trying to learn a would you tell someone trying to learn a would you tell someone trying to learn a new instrument? new instrument? new instrument? >> I would say it is definitely never too >> I would say it is definitely never too >> I would say it is definitely never too late because even if you don't late because even if you don't late because even if you don't necessarily perform uh with your necessarily perform uh with your necessarily perform uh with your instrument, it's uh is very good for instrument, it's uh is very good for instrument, it's uh is very good for your brain. Very good.

your brain. Very good. your brain. Very good. >> And um I would say being a beginner >> And um I would say being a beginner >> And um I would say being a beginner shouldn't scare you. You're trying new shouldn't scare you. You're trying new shouldn't scare you. You're trying new things and people should be proud of things and people should be proud of things and people should be proud of that. that. that. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> oh my gosh, I want to I want to learn. >> oh my gosh, I want to I want to learn. >> oh my gosh, I want to I want to learn. That sounds fun. Maybe pick up the That sounds fun. Maybe pick up the That sounds fun. Maybe pick up the accordion. accordion. accordion. >> I mean, and then I would get a workout >> I mean, and then I would get a workout >> I mean, and then I would get a workout too, too, too, >> for sure. >> for sure. >> for sure. >> Yeah. Um, okay. Well, so does that sort >> Yeah. Um, okay. Well, so does that sort >> Yeah. Um, okay. Well, so does that sort of sense of play, you must dedicate a of sense of play, you must dedicate a of sense of play, you must dedicate a lot of time to your instrument, but does lot of time to your instrument, but does lot of time to your instrument, but does that um bleed into other parts of your that um bleed into other parts of your that um bleed into other parts of your life? Do you explore in other life? Do you explore in other life? Do you explore in other disciplines to help you inform your disciplines to help you inform your disciplines to help you inform your accordion playing or Yeah. How does that accordion playing or Yeah. How does that accordion playing or Yeah. How does that affect the rest of your life? affect the rest of your life? affect the rest of your life? >> I would say being a musician actually >> I would say being a musician actually >> I would say being a musician actually makes me really good at math. So that makes me really good at math. So that makes me really good at math. So that definitely helps me at school. definitely helps me at school. definitely helps me at school. >> Good plug for sure. >> Good plug for sure. >> Good plug for sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And um just >> And um just >> And um just >> also obviously it's very physically >> also obviously it's very physically >> also obviously it's very physically demanding so I need to go to the gym so demanding so I need to go to the gym so demanding so I need to go to the gym so that is also part of my daily routine that is also part of my daily routine that is also part of my daily routine because I have such a heavy instrument because I have such a heavy instrument because I have such a heavy instrument and I actually really enjoy it. I didn't and I actually really enjoy it. I didn't and I actually really enjoy it. I didn't think I would until I started. So think I would until I started. So think I would until I started. So >> that's amazing. And do you do you dabble >> that's amazing. And do you do you dabble >> that's amazing. And do you do you dabble in any other instruments or?

in any other instruments or? in any other instruments or? >> Yes, I my secondary instrument would be >> Yes, I my secondary instrument would be >> Yes, I my secondary instrument would be vocals vocals vocals >> because when me and my dad play in a >> because when me and my dad play in a >> because when me and my dad play in a duet, we like to have more variety in duet, we like to have more variety in duet, we like to have more variety in our program. So I picked up vocals a few our program. So I picked up vocals a few our program. So I picked up vocals a few years ago and it's been going really years ago and it's been going really years ago and it's been going really well. So the accordion as accompaniment well. So the accordion as accompaniment well. So the accordion as accompaniment for vocals is very interesting. And I for vocals is very interesting. And I for vocals is very interesting. And I also play a little bit of percussion also play a little bit of percussion also play a little bit of percussion during our concerts, but I've of course during our concerts, but I've of course during our concerts, but I've of course picked up other instruments such as the picked up other instruments such as the picked up other instruments such as the flute, guitar, and violin for background flute, guitar, and violin for background flute, guitar, and violin for background knowledge. Yeah, go but never knowledge. Yeah, go but never knowledge. Yeah, go but never professionally. So professionally. So professionally. So >> Oh, that's amazing. Maria, thank you so >> Oh, that's amazing. Maria, thank you so >> Oh, that's amazing. Maria, thank you so much for sharing your gifts with us here much for sharing your gifts with us here much for sharing your gifts with us here today and for joining us in the studio. today and for joining us in the studio. today and for joining us in the studio. >> Thank you for having me. It's been such >> Thank you for having me. It's been such >> Thank you for having me. It's been such a pleasure. a pleasure. a pleasure. >> Absolutely. Um, well, we have another >> Absolutely. Um, well, we have another >> Absolutely. Um, well, we have another TED speaker coming up shortly, but TED speaker coming up shortly, but TED speaker coming up shortly, but first, check out this TEDED animation on first, check out this TEDED animation on first, check out this TEDED animation on the missing ingredient in how we learn. the missing ingredient in how we learn. the missing ingredient in how we learn. Can you guess what it is? I'm pretty Can you guess what it is? I'm pretty Can you guess what it is? I'm pretty sure you can. Spoiler, it's not human. >> In 1851, the Prussian government feared >> In 1851, the Prussian government feared that Friedrich Frobble's scandalous new that Friedrich Frobble's scandalous new that Friedrich Frobble's scandalous new approach to education might teach approach to education might teach approach to education might teach disobedience and lead to peasant disobedience and lead to peasant disobedience and lead to peasant rebellion. The name of Fubble's school, rebellion. The name of Fubble's school, rebellion. The name of Fubble's school, kindergarten.

kindergarten. kindergarten. Its controversial curriculum included Its controversial curriculum included Its controversial curriculum included singing and dancing, gardening, singing and dancing, gardening, singing and dancing, gardening, painting, and playing. painting, and playing. painting, and playing. Prussia banned kindergarten, enforcing a Prussia banned kindergarten, enforcing a Prussia banned kindergarten, enforcing a strict system of supervised classrooms strict system of supervised classrooms strict system of supervised classrooms and government approved lessons that and government approved lessons that and government approved lessons that clearly separated learning time from clearly separated learning time from clearly separated learning time from playtime. And over the next century, the playtime. And over the next century, the playtime. And over the next century, the Prussian model inspired public school Prussian model inspired public school Prussian model inspired public school systems around the world. But while it systems around the world. But while it systems around the world. But while it might seem traditional now, the belief might seem traditional now, the belief might seem traditional now, the belief that play and learning are at odds with that play and learning are at odds with that play and learning are at odds with each other is a relatively new idea. each other is a relatively new idea. each other is a relatively new idea. Before the last few centuries, children Before the last few centuries, children Before the last few centuries, children around the world spent most of their around the world spent most of their around the world spent most of their time learning through play, observing time learning through play, observing time learning through play, observing and mimicking adults, roaming their and mimicking adults, roaming their and mimicking adults, roaming their surroundings, and sharing what they surroundings, and sharing what they surroundings, and sharing what they learned with friends and family. learned with friends and family. learned with friends and family. Many communities and educators still Many communities and educators still Many communities and educators still believe Clay is one of the best teachers believe Clay is one of the best teachers believe Clay is one of the best teachers we have and they've taken a variety of we have and they've taken a variety of we have and they've taken a variety of approaches to keep this kind of approaches to keep this kind of approaches to keep this kind of self-directed learning alive.

self-directed learning alive. self-directed learning alive. In his kindergartens, Froel provided In his kindergartens, Froel provided In his kindergartens, Froel provided specially designed toys to help kids specially designed toys to help kids specially designed toys to help kids learn concepts like volume, density, and learn concepts like volume, density, and learn concepts like volume, density, and even the principles of geometry. And even the principles of geometry. And even the principles of geometry. And today, Monttoauri schools continue to today, Monttoauri schools continue to today, Monttoauri schools continue to embrace toybased learning. embrace toybased learning. embrace toybased learning. Monttoauri toys or materials as they Monttoauri toys or materials as they Monttoauri toys or materials as they call them are rigorously designed to call them are rigorously designed to call them are rigorously designed to isolate and teach specific concepts. For isolate and teach specific concepts. For isolate and teach specific concepts. For example, to learn math, babies and example, to learn math, babies and example, to learn math, babies and toddlers might explore dimension with toddlers might explore dimension with toddlers might explore dimension with fat wooden cylinders, then unlock more fat wooden cylinders, then unlock more fat wooden cylinders, then unlock more spatial reasoning with a set of pink spatial reasoning with a set of pink spatial reasoning with a set of pink stackable blocks. Older children tackle stackable blocks. Older children tackle stackable blocks. Older children tackle a set of brown stairs to learn about a set of brown stairs to learn about a set of brown stairs to learn about height, while a series of red rods height, while a series of red rods height, while a series of red rods reveals the secrets of length and reveals the secrets of length and reveals the secrets of length and balance. Teachers gently guide this balance. Teachers gently guide this balance. Teachers gently guide this exploration by asking students questions exploration by asking students questions exploration by asking students questions and suggesting material specific and suggesting material specific and suggesting material specific activities like arranging the rods in activities like arranging the rods in activities like arranging the rods in order of size. But Montasauri classrooms order of size. But Montasauri classrooms order of size. But Montasauri classrooms also have a range of ages and low also have a range of ages and low also have a range of ages and low teacherto student ratios to encourage teacherto student ratios to encourage teacherto student ratios to encourage students to explore the materials students to explore the materials students to explore the materials together and learn from each other. Reio together and learn from each other. Reio together and learn from each other. Reio Alia schools also give students sensory Alia schools also give students sensory Alia schools also give students sensory objects to explore together, but they're objects to explore together, but they're objects to explore together, but they're especially focused on letting the especially focused on letting the especially focused on letting the students direct their learning.

students direct their learning. students direct their learning. Every corner of a Reio classroom is Every corner of a Reio classroom is Every corner of a Reio classroom is designed to reward curiosity, allowing designed to reward curiosity, allowing designed to reward curiosity, allowing students to follow their interests and students to follow their interests and students to follow their interests and express themselves with a variety of express themselves with a variety of express themselves with a variety of artistic tools. artistic tools. artistic tools. Even when Reio teachers do assign formal Even when Reio teachers do assign formal Even when Reio teachers do assign formal projects, they start by asking students projects, they start by asking students projects, they start by asking students open-ended questions from how to make a open-ended questions from how to make a open-ended questions from how to make a model ship float or sink to how they model ship float or sink to how they model ship float or sink to how they should decorate an art studio. Then they should decorate an art studio. Then they should decorate an art studio. Then they designed the project to explore the designed the project to explore the designed the project to explore the students assumptions and interests, students assumptions and interests, students assumptions and interests, weaving in their curriculum along the weaving in their curriculum along the weaving in their curriculum along the way. way. way. Skeptics might argue that self-directed Skeptics might argue that self-directed Skeptics might argue that self-directed learning lets kids avoid the subjects learning lets kids avoid the subjects learning lets kids avoid the subjects they're not as interested in, leading they're not as interested in, leading they're not as interested in, leading some students to fall behind. But most some students to fall behind. But most some students to fall behind. But most of these schools use an interdisiplinary of these schools use an interdisiplinary of these schools use an interdisiplinary approach to ensure no subject is left approach to ensure no subject is left approach to ensure no subject is left behind. For example, in projectbased behind. For example, in projectbased behind. For example, in projectbased laboratory schools, the day might start laboratory schools, the day might start laboratory schools, the day might start by solving a number puzzle, then using by solving a number puzzle, then using by solving a number puzzle, then using the answers to compose a piece of music the answers to compose a piece of music the answers to compose a piece of music or three-dimensional art. By choosing to or three-dimensional art. By choosing to or three-dimensional art. By choosing to explore overlapping concepts through explore overlapping concepts through explore overlapping concepts through multiple projects, teachers can show multiple projects, teachers can show multiple projects, teachers can show different practical applications that different practical applications that different practical applications that make abstract ideas feel concrete and make abstract ideas feel concrete and make abstract ideas feel concrete and useful. In all these models, giving useful. In all these models, giving useful. In all these models, giving students more agency comes with students more agency comes with students more agency comes with challenges. Different kids have challenges. Different kids have challenges. Different kids have different needs, so educators have to be different needs, so educators have to be different needs, so educators have to be sensitive and able to adapt. From sensitive and able to adapt. From sensitive and able to adapt. From rearranging the room to redirecting rearranging the room to redirecting rearranging the room to redirecting attention, teachers need to respond to

attention, teachers need to respond to attention, teachers need to respond to each student while maintaining a safe, each student while maintaining a safe, each student while maintaining a safe, playful environment for all. This playful environment for all. This playful environment for all. This requires buckets of emotional requires buckets of emotional requires buckets of emotional intelligence, prep time, and trust from intelligence, prep time, and trust from intelligence, prep time, and trust from both parents and their school's both parents and their school's both parents and their school's administration. administration. administration. But for many educators and learners, the But for many educators and learners, the But for many educators and learners, the effort is worth it. A 2023 analysis of effort is worth it. A 2023 analysis of effort is worth it. A 2023 analysis of over 30 studies found that Montasauri over 30 studies found that Montasauri over 30 studies found that Montasauri education outperformed traditional education outperformed traditional education outperformed traditional schools in language and math learning as schools in language and math learning as schools in language and math learning as well as in developing creativity and well as in developing creativity and well as in developing creativity and social skills. And these benefits go social skills. And these benefits go social skills. And these benefits go beyond early learning. Many universities beyond early learning. Many universities beyond early learning. Many universities are moving from lecture-based learning are moving from lecture-based learning are moving from lecture-based learning towards long-term projects and roundt towards long-term projects and roundt towards long-term projects and roundt discussions. discussions. discussions. MIT's lifelong kindergarten tries to MIT's lifelong kindergarten tries to MIT's lifelong kindergarten tries to extend a playful creativity first extend a playful creativity first extend a playful creativity first approach to learners of all ages, giving approach to learners of all ages, giving approach to learners of all ages, giving students a variety of physical and students a variety of physical and students a variety of physical and digital tools to explore, experiment, digital tools to explore, experiment, digital tools to explore, experiment, and express themselves. and express themselves. and express themselves. Some architecture and engineering Some architecture and engineering Some architecture and engineering students even use Froal's special toys students even use Froal's special toys students even use Froal's special toys to hone their design principles and to hone their design principles and to hone their design principles and spatial reasoning, showing that it's not spatial reasoning, showing that it's not spatial reasoning, showing that it's not only children who learn through play.

If you've been watching our live stream, If you've been watching our live stream, you'll know that our next guest just you'll know that our next guest just you'll know that our next guest just gave an epic TED talk. Eric Zimmerman is gave an epic TED talk. Eric Zimmerman is gave an epic TED talk. Eric Zimmerman is a game designer who makes video games, a game designer who makes video games, a game designer who makes video games, tabletop games, and museum tabletop games, and museum tabletop games, and museum installations. He's also a professor at installations. He's also a professor at installations. He's also a professor at uh NYU's Game Center, a program he uh NYU's Game Center, a program he uh NYU's Game Center, a program he helped create at Tish School of the helped create at Tish School of the helped create at Tish School of the Arts. Eric. Eric. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. First of all, congratulations on >> Hello. First of all, congratulations on >> Hello. First of all, congratulations on your talk. Thank you, Alex. You were your talk. Thank you, Alex. You were your talk. Thank you, Alex. You were absolutely incredible. Um, I hope we can absolutely incredible. Um, I hope we can absolutely incredible. Um, I hope we can now just have some low-key low stress now just have some low-key low stress now just have some low-key low stress fun. fun. fun. >> Yes, absolutely. But I I always feel >> Yes, absolutely. But I I always feel >> Yes, absolutely. But I I always feel like if you're going to talk about play, like if you're going to talk about play, like if you're going to talk about play, why not actually play a little bit, why not actually play a little bit, why not actually play a little bit, right? So, that's right? So, that's right? So, that's >> that's what I feel, too. Well, that >> that's what I feel, too. Well, that >> that's what I feel, too. Well, that you're in the right place. you're in the right place. you're in the right place. >> That's what we're doing right here. >> That's what we're doing right here. >> That's what we're doing right here. >> It's gonna be all play all the time, >> It's gonna be all play all the time, >> It's gonna be all play all the time, >> right? Okay. Okay. >> right? Okay. Okay. >> right? Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. So, we're So, we'll also >> Okay. Okay. So, we're So, we'll also >> Okay. Okay. So, we're So, we'll also talk, but we're going to play while we talk, but we're going to play while we talk, but we're going to play while we talk. All right. talk. All right. talk. All right. >> So, we're going to play frictionary. >> So, we're going to play frictionary. >> So, we're going to play frictionary. >> I am ready to multitask and Yeah. Slash >> I am ready to multitask and Yeah. Slash >> I am ready to multitask and Yeah. Slash embarrass. embarrass. embarrass. >> Okay. Good. It's it's it's hard, but you >> Okay. Good. It's it's it's hard, but you >> Okay. Good. It's it's it's hard, but you know, but we we make do. So, we're going know, but we we make do. So, we're going know, but we we make do. So, we're going to draw names. It's like it's like Lego to draw names. It's like it's like Lego to draw names. It's like it's like Lego Pictionary basically. Okay. We're going Pictionary basically. Okay. We're going Pictionary basically. Okay. We're going to draw words out of this hat. Um we're to draw words out of this hat. Um we're to draw words out of this hat. Um we're each going to do it at the same time.

each going to do it at the same time. each going to do it at the same time. So, so please take one. So, so please take one. So, so please take one. >> This is a Yeah. Okay. Find a nice hat >> This is a Yeah. Okay. Find a nice hat >> This is a Yeah. Okay. Find a nice hat that you that you that you >> hat. Thank you. >> hat. Thank you. >> hat. Thank you. >> I'm I'm going deep from the bottom. All >> I'm I'm going deep from the bottom. All >> I'm I'm going deep from the bottom. All right. I'm not really a hat guy, so I right. I'm not really a hat guy, so I right. I'm not really a hat guy, so I appreciate your uh compliment with the appreciate your uh compliment with the appreciate your uh compliment with the hat. Um, so we're going to build while hat. Um, so we're going to build while hat. Um, so we're going to build while we talk, and whenever you want me to we talk, and whenever you want me to we talk, and whenever you want me to guess what you've created, I'm just guess what you've created, I'm just guess what you've created, I'm just going to put it here so we can get a going to put it here so we can get a going to put it here so we can get a close-up shot that people at home can close-up shot that people at home can close-up shot that people at home can guess. guess. guess. >> And vice versa. >> And vice versa. >> And vice versa. >> And vice versa. Okay. >> And vice versa. Okay. >> And vice versa. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. You won't be >> Yeah. Yeah. You won't be >> Yeah. Yeah. You won't be >> I just saw your >> I just saw your >> I just saw your >> You saw mine. You're a poker player, >> You saw mine. You're a poker player, >> You saw mine. You're a poker player, first of all. first of all. first of all. >> Well, you should poker cards aren't >> Well, you should poker cards aren't >> Well, you should poker cards aren't see-through. see-through. see-through. >> No, I I I read it fully. Yeah, it was >> No, I I I read it fully. Yeah, it was >> No, I I I read it fully. Yeah, it was fully exposed. I'm a horrible poker fully exposed. I'm a horrible poker fully exposed. I'm a horrible poker player. player. player. >> So, yeah. So, let we have to be much >> So, yeah. So, let we have to be much >> So, yeah. So, let we have to be much like this one better. are secretive like this one better. are secretive like this one better. are secretive about this. about this. about this. >> Okay. I got >> Okay. I got >> Okay. I got >> Okay. All right. I'm I'm game. I'm game. >> Okay. All right. I'm I'm game. I'm game. >> Okay. All right. I'm I'm game. I'm game. I'm going to All right. Hide my I'm going to All right. Hide my I'm going to All right. Hide my >> Oh gosh. >> Oh gosh. >> Oh gosh. >> Okay. Okay. Well, first of all, what >> Okay. Okay. Well, first of all, what >> Okay. Okay. Well, first of all, what what are you playing right now? what are you playing right now? what are you playing right now? >> Oh, what am I playing right now? I'm >> Oh, what am I playing right now? I'm >> Oh, what am I playing right now? I'm playing this Lego brictionary. playing this Lego brictionary. playing this Lego brictionary. >> But what are you playing when it's not >> But what are you playing when it's not >> But what are you playing when it's not ex this exact moment? ex this exact moment? ex this exact moment? >> You know, I have different games. >> You know, I have different games. >> You know, I have different games. There's games that I have to play like There's games that I have to play like There's games that I have to play like for school. Like I just played through a for school. Like I just played through a for school. Like I just played through a bunch of my master's thesis students.

bunch of my master's thesis students. bunch of my master's thesis students. Awesome. Uh awesome games. Uh we just Awesome. Uh awesome games. Uh we just Awesome. Uh awesome games. Uh we just had a we just had a um showcase last had a we just had a um showcase last had a we just had a um showcase last night uh of of all of their work over night uh of of all of their work over night uh of of all of their work over the semester. So that was um that was the semester. So that was um that was the semester. So that was um that was pretty amazing. Um there's there's games pretty amazing. Um there's there's games pretty amazing. Um there's there's games that I play uh for for fun. And then that I play uh for for fun. And then that I play uh for for fun. And then there's games that I like can't stop there's games that I like can't stop there's games that I like can't stop playing and should should have stopped playing and should should have stopped playing and should should have stopped playing, but I'm continuing to play. So playing, but I'm continuing to play. So playing, but I'm continuing to play. So that's that would that would fall that that's that would that would fall that that's that would that would fall that would be Hearthstone Battlegrounds. would be Hearthstone Battlegrounds. would be Hearthstone Battlegrounds. >> Yeah. Very very mainstream. Like I I >> Yeah. Very very mainstream. Like I I >> Yeah. Very very mainstream. Like I I often have very experimental tastes in often have very experimental tastes in often have very experimental tastes in games, but I I have to say that's that's games, but I I have to say that's that's games, but I I have to say that's that's maybe the game that has um really hooked maybe the game that has um really hooked maybe the game that has um really hooked me. me. me. >> The most power for you. >> The most power for you. >> The most power for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I guess there's nothing wrong with that. guess there's nothing wrong with that. guess there's nothing wrong with that. You know, we need to o own up to our um You know, we need to o own up to our um You know, we need to o own up to our um we need to own up to our um we need to own up to our um we need to own up to our um >> I don't want to say addictions, but >> I don't want to say addictions, but >> I don't want to say addictions, but whatever our our habits, our whatever our our habits, our whatever our our habits, our proclivities. Uh proclivities. Uh proclivities. Uh >> now that's a game that you get like >> now that's a game that you get like >> now that's a game that you get like ranked in and higher rundles or ranked in and higher rundles or ranked in and higher rundles or whatever. whatever. whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like a rund that >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like a rund that >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like a rund that you want to do you want to do you have a you want to do you want to do you have a you want to do you want to do you have a rank you want to brag about? You don't rank you want to brag about? You don't rank you want to brag about? You don't have to share it.

have to share it. have to share it. >> I'm usually up in the six or 6 >> I'm usually up in the six or 6 >> I'm usually up in the six or 6 thousands, I guess, if that means thousands, I guess, if that means thousands, I guess, if that means anything. anything. anything. >> That's a big number. >> That's a big number. >> That's a big number. >> Yeah. You know, points numbers. That's >> Yeah. You know, points numbers. That's >> Yeah. You know, points numbers. That's that. What else is there? that. What else is there? that. What else is there? >> I don't know what what number they go up >> I don't know what what number they go up >> I don't know what what number they go up to. Okay, I'm going to give you to. Okay, I'm going to give you to. Okay, I'm going to give you something to guess. something to guess. something to guess. >> Yeah, they go up to a million. So, it's >> Yeah, they go up to a million. So, it's >> Yeah, they go up to a million. So, it's actually a horrible score. actually a horrible score. actually a horrible score. >> You're on your way. >> You're on your way. >> You're on your way. >> Oh my gosh. What What are you doing? I >> Oh my gosh. What What are you doing? I >> Oh my gosh. What What are you doing? I haven't even started yet. haven't even started yet. haven't even started yet. >> Oh, you're showing the >> Oh, you're showing the >> Oh, you're showing the >> I'm showing the people at home. >> I'm showing the people at home. >> I'm showing the people at home. >> Okay. But um it's rather small. Okay. I >> Okay. But um it's rather small. Okay. I >> Okay. But um it's rather small. Okay. I I'll show you. I'll show you. I'll show you. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> It's it's a little abstic >> It's it's a little abstic >> It's it's a little abstic version of this. >> Well, I mean it looks like a >> Well, I mean it looks like a >> It's not a stoplight because you would >> It's not a stoplight because you would >> It's not a stoplight because you would have used yellow, red, and have used yellow, red, and have used yellow, red, and >> I do love traffic lights. >> I do love traffic lights. >> I do love traffic lights. >> Yes. But it's a it's affirmatively not a >> Yes. But it's a it's affirmatively not a >> Yes. But it's a it's affirmatively not a >> Okay. And is is it um >> Okay. And is is it um >> Okay. And is is it um >> This is part of it. >> This is part of it. >> This is part of it. >> Okay. That is part of it. It's a >> Okay. That is part of it. It's a >> Okay. That is part of it. It's a Is it like a shovel? Is it like a shovel? Is it like a shovel? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> With like there's like a large area at >> With like there's like a large area at >> With like there's like a large area at the bottom. the bottom. the bottom. >> These are these are significant. I'm >> These are these are significant. I'm >> These are these are significant. I'm gonna I'm gonna Okay. Okay. Got a gonna I'm gonna Okay. Okay. Got a gonna I'm gonna Okay. Okay. Got a moment. If you uh are inspired at home, moment. If you uh are inspired at home, moment. If you uh are inspired at home, uh please try to to guess what this is uh please try to to guess what this is uh please try to to guess what this is to share. Save me the entire Goodime to share. Save me the entire Goodime to share. Save me the entire Goodime with it. Okay. Right.

with it. Okay. Right. with it. Okay. Right. >> Oh, it's a loot or guitar. >> Oh, it's a loot or guitar. >> Oh, it's a loot or guitar. >> Yeah, guitar. >> Yeah, guitar. >> Yeah, guitar. >> It's a string instrument. >> It's a string instrument. >> It's a string instrument. >> Perfect. You got it with that with >> Perfect. You got it with that with >> Perfect. You got it with that with little so little cluing. Okay, I'm I'm little so little cluing. Okay, I'm I'm little so little cluing. Okay, I'm I'm gonna draw gonna draw gonna draw >> Oh, that's so good. >> Oh, that's so good. >> Oh, that's so good. >> Wait a second. >> Wait a second. >> Wait a second. >> I have a guess of what that is. >> I have a guess of what that is. >> I have a guess of what that is. >> But hold on. Hold on. >> But hold on. Hold on. >> But hold on. Hold on. >> Wait, wait, wait. This is not a >> Wait, wait, wait. This is not a >> Wait, wait, wait. This is not a basketball court. basketball court. basketball court. >> You got like a This is like a Lego kit >> You got like a This is like a Lego kit >> You got like a This is like a Lego kit level level build that you have on. level level build that you have on. level level build that you have on. >> I'm not sure about that, but I'll um >> I'm not sure about that, but I'll um >> I'm not sure about that, but I'll um >> Oh, actually this >> Oh, actually this >> Oh, actually this >> Okay. It confuses me some part of what >> Okay. It confuses me some part of what >> Okay. It confuses me some part of what you're doing. you're doing. you're doing. >> Yeah, I know. I know. It's okay. Well, >> Yeah, I know. I know. It's okay. Well, >> Yeah, I know. I know. It's okay. Well, you just have to bear with me and we'll you just have to bear with me and we'll you just have to bear with me and we'll we'll we're going to get there. Um. we'll we're going to get there. Um. we'll we're going to get there. Um. >> All right. Well, let me ask you more >> All right. Well, let me ask you more >> All right. Well, let me ask you more question. So, um the the U Masters question. So, um the the U Masters question. So, um the the U Masters projects that you Yes. They showcased projects that you Yes. They showcased projects that you Yes. They showcased last night, is that a combination of last night, is that a combination of last night, is that a combination of video games and tabletop? video games and tabletop? video games and tabletop? >> It is mostly video games, but they do >> It is mostly video games, but they do >> It is mostly video games, but they do they do tabletop games too. Like there's they do tabletop games too. Like there's they do tabletop games too. Like there's one of them was called The Morning one of them was called The Morning one of them was called The Morning After. And the idea is that um you are a After. And the idea is that um you are a After. And the idea is that um you are a all of your friends went out last night, all of your friends went out last night, all of your friends went out last night, but you actually um uh got drunk and are but you actually um uh got drunk and are but you actually um uh got drunk and are hung over and like missed all of the hung over and like missed all of the hung over and like missed all of the excitement. When you wake up in the excitement. When you wake up in the excitement. When you wake up in the morning, they all have these kisses all morning, they all have these kisses all morning, they all have these kisses all over them. So it's a detective game, but over them. So it's a detective game, but over them. So it's a detective game, but instead of figuring out who killed who, instead of figuring out who killed who, instead of figuring out who killed who, the idea is, and this is the tagline the idea is, and this is the tagline the idea is, and this is the tagline from the students, who kissed who. And from the students, who kissed who. And from the students, who kissed who. And so it actually it's a little bit so it actually it's a little bit so it actually it's a little bit Oraen-ish. You actually you get you get Oraen-ish. You actually you get you get Oraen-ish. You actually you get you get media, you go into photographs and you media, you go into photographs and you media, you go into photographs and you have to actually reconstruct text chats have to actually reconstruct text chats have to actually reconstruct text chats between your friends and like through between your friends and like through between your friends and like through logical deduction figure out like oh if logical deduction figure out like oh if logical deduction figure out like oh if you were here and you were here and this you were here and you were here and this you were here and you were here and this was before you got the kiss and then was before you got the kiss and then was before you got the kiss and then >> you kissed you at this date and then

>> you kissed you at this date and then >> you kissed you at this date and then it's sort of it's a mystery game of it's sort of it's a mystery game of it's sort of it's a mystery game of logical deduction. It is so funny and so logical deduction. It is so funny and so logical deduction. It is so funny and so so cool. If you haven't played Oberdin, so cool. If you haven't played Oberdin, so cool. If you haven't played Oberdin, Return of the Oberdin, one of the best Return of the Oberdin, one of the best Return of the Oberdin, one of the best games ever created, kind of genre games ever created, kind of genre games ever created, kind of genre defining for detective games. Um, and I defining for detective games. Um, and I defining for detective games. Um, and I highly recommend it. It's one of two highly recommend it. It's one of two highly recommend it. It's one of two games that I say if I could erase my games that I say if I could erase my games that I say if I could erase my memory, I I would I would so I could memory, I I would I would so I could memory, I I would I would so I could play it again. Oh, I like that. play it again. Oh, I like that. play it again. Oh, I like that. >> Um, okay. >> Um, okay. >> Um, okay. >> Not the erasing memory part, but the, >> Not the erasing memory part, but the, >> Not the erasing memory part, but the, you know, you know what I'm talking you know, you know what I'm talking you know, you know what I'm talking about. All right. Let me let me see. I'm about. All right. Let me let me see. I'm about. All right. Let me let me see. I'm probably going a little too too far on probably going a little too too far on probably going a little too too far on this, but let me let me let me see if I this, but let me let me let me see if I this, but let me let me let me see if I can just if I can attach this last bit, can just if I can attach this last bit, can just if I can attach this last bit, then then then >> I thought I knew what you were building >> I thought I knew what you were building >> I thought I knew what you were building and and now I and and now I and and now I >> And now you don't because I've I've >> And now you don't because I've I've >> And now you don't because I've I've taken it taken it taken it >> in a dramatically different direction >> in a dramatically different direction >> in a dramatically different direction than than than >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But I'm still going to guess what I >> But I'm still going to guess what I >> But I'm still going to guess what I thought it was. thought it was. thought it was. >> Yeah, you're gonna >> Yeah, you're gonna >> Yeah, you're gonna >> um >> um >> um >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, that that game sounds very cool. >> Well, that that game sounds very cool. >> Well, that that game sounds very cool. >> It it is very cool. And I have to tell >> It it is very cool. And I have to tell >> It it is very cool. And I have to tell you, that is just one of many Lego you, that is just one of many Lego you, that is just one of many Lego pieces I'm dropping on the floor. That pieces I'm dropping on the floor. That pieces I'm dropping on the floor. That is just one of many incredible games is just one of many incredible games is just one of many incredible games that was there that night. Um, tabletop that was there that night. Um, tabletop that was there that night. Um, tabletop games, video games, and other game games, video games, and other game games, video games, and other game experiments at the NYU Game Center.

experiments at the NYU Game Center. experiments at the NYU Game Center. Okay. This is my This is my um Okay. This is my This is my um Okay. This is my This is my um >> here. Put it up here. So So Okay. >> here. Put it up here. So So Okay. >> here. Put it up here. So So Okay. Beheading, Beheading, Beheading, >> right? Okay. So, >> right? Okay. So, >> right? Okay. So, uh, th this is it's almost got I'm uh, th this is it's almost got I'm uh, th this is it's almost got I'm almost got too many ideas going on here, almost got too many ideas going on here, almost got too many ideas going on here, by the way. by the way. by the way. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a whole di Let's >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a whole di Let's >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a whole di Let's see if see if see if >> I was originally going to say >> I was originally going to say >> I was originally going to say basketball. No, basketball. No, basketball. No, >> it's not a basketball court. >> it's not a basketball court. >> it's not a basketball court. >> Is this like a movie? Is this a >> Is this like a movie? Is this a >> Is this like a movie? Is this a property? It's got property? It's got property? It's got >> No, it's it's a simple object as a >> No, it's it's a simple object as a >> No, it's it's a simple object as a whole. whole. whole. >> A simple object with a panda and a >> A simple object with a panda and a >> A simple object with a panda and a disembodied head. >> What? A railroad crossing? >> What? A railroad crossing? >> No. Um, but >> No. Um, but >> No. Um, but you you you are correct. you you you are correct. you you you are correct. >> A sign, a billboard. >> A sign, a billboard. >> A sign, a billboard. >> Uh, no. You're you're kind of getting >> Uh, no. You're you're kind of getting >> Uh, no. You're you're kind of getting close, though. This this is sort of a a close, though. This this is sort of a a close, though. This this is sort of a a type of a sign. Uh type of a sign. Uh type of a sign. Uh >> stop sign. >> stop sign. >> stop sign. >> No, I mean it is a kind of like >> No, I mean it is a kind of like >> No, I mean it is a kind of like >> iconographic marker of something. It's >> iconographic marker of something. It's >> iconographic marker of something. It's just not just not just not >> a sign. >> a sign. >> a sign. >> Classic sign. >> Classic sign. >> Classic sign. >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um Okay. I will I'm I'm going to give >> Um Okay. I will I'm I'm going to give >> Um Okay. I will I'm I'm going to give you another clue right now. I'm going to you another clue right now. I'm going to you another clue right now. I'm going to give you a clue right now. give you a clue right now. give you a clue right now. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um >> Um >> Um by putting by putting by putting >> Oh, are we in the ocean? >> Oh, are we in the ocean? >> Oh, are we in the ocean? >> It's a >> It's a >> It's a a boat. A sailboat. a boat. A sailboat. a boat. A sailboat. >> A specific specifically >> A specific specifically >> A specific specifically >> a Titanic. >> a Titanic. >> a Titanic. >> Specifically >> Specifically >> Specifically >> mast crows nest. >> mast crows nest. >> mast crows nest. >> Yeah. And well this is a >> Yeah. And well this is a >> Yeah. And well this is a >> sale. Sail. >> sale. Sail. >> sale. Sail. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sail. >> Sail. >> Sail. >> Okay. I think I'm just going to put us >> Okay. I think I'm just going to put us >> Okay. I think I'm just going to put us all. all. all. >> It's not sail. >> It's not sail. >> It's not sail. >> No, it is a sail. It's a It's a sailing >> No, it is a sail. It's a It's a sailing >> No, it is a sail. It's a It's a sailing specific. It's a specific kind of specific. It's a specific kind of specific. It's a specific kind of >> missing mast >> missing mast >> missing mast >> boat. >> boat. >> boat. >> Sail. What kind of boat? >> Sail. What kind of boat? >> Sail. What kind of boat? >> What kind of boat? What? >> What kind of boat? What? >> What kind of boat? What? >> All right. I'm glad pirate ship. Pirate >> All right. I'm glad pirate ship. Pirate >> All right. I'm glad pirate ship. Pirate ship. ship. ship. >> IT'S A PIRATE SHIP. OH, YES. OH, I'M >> IT'S A PIRATE SHIP. OH, YES. OH, I'M >> IT'S A PIRATE SHIP. OH, YES. OH, I'M SORRY. I apologize. Yeah. See, it kind SORRY. I apologize. Yeah. See, it kind SORRY. I apologize. Yeah. See, it kind of went overboard of went overboard of went overboard >> side by side what what I've created with >> side by side what what I've created with >> side by side what what I've created with what you've created just to show the how what you've created just to show the how what you've created just to show the how our brains work slightly differently. our brains work slightly differently. our brains work slightly differently. >> See, this is supposed to be the pirate >> See, this is supposed to be the pirate >> See, this is supposed to be the pirate flag with the skull and crossbones. And flag with the skull and crossbones. And flag with the skull and crossbones. And then there's a pirate on the ship. And then there's a pirate on the ship. And then there's a pirate on the ship. And Okay. And this is water. So, Okay. And this is water. So, Okay. And this is water. So, >> it's not it's not me. No, sorry. It is >> it's not it's not me. No, sorry. It is >> it's not it's not me. No, sorry. It is me. It's not you. It's me. Um, yeah. You me. It's not you. It's me. Um, yeah. You me. It's not you. It's me. Um, yeah. You did something amazing. Okay. I made this did something amazing. Okay. I made this did something amazing. Okay. I made this for you.

for you. for you. >> Oh, this is another one. >> Oh, this is another one. >> Oh, this is another one. >> Okay. This This is a guitar after you've >> Okay. This This is a guitar after you've >> Okay. This This is a guitar after you've broken the frets off of it. And it's broken the frets off of it. And it's broken the frets off of it. And it's just the bottom part of a guitar, I just the bottom part of a guitar, I just the bottom part of a guitar, I believe. Because you've recycled the believe. Because you've recycled the believe. Because you've recycled the guitar. guitar. guitar. >> I have recycled the guitar because it >> I have recycled the guitar because it >> I have recycled the guitar because it was there. was there. was there. >> Okay. Okay. But that's not what this is. >> Okay. Okay. But that's not what this is. >> Okay. Okay. But that's not what this is. >> No, it's another also not a stop sign, >> No, it's another also not a stop sign, >> No, it's another also not a stop sign, even though it does have red and green even though it does have red and green even though it does have red and green on it. on it. on it. >> Still not a stop sign. >> Still not a stop sign. >> Still not a stop sign. >> This is an abstraction. Can you tell me >> This is an abstraction. Can you tell me >> This is an abstraction. Can you tell me which way is up? which way is up? which way is up? >> Does it matter? >> Does it matter? >> Does it matter? >> So, traditionally, this would face >> So, traditionally, this would face >> So, traditionally, this would face towards you like like like so like um towards you like like like so like um towards you like like like so like um >> Oh, is it a not a baseball plate? No, it >> Oh, is it a not a baseball plate? No, it >> Oh, is it a not a baseball plate? No, it would just be like the brown thing would just be like the brown thing would just be like the brown thing without anything else. without anything else. without anything else. >> Yeah, but >> Yeah, but >> Yeah, but >> I'm giving you another one to do when >> I'm giving you another one to do when >> I'm giving you another one to do when you're ready. you're ready. you're ready. >> Um Oh, we're doing >> Um Oh, we're doing >> Um Oh, we're doing >> When do I When does this >> When do I When does this >> When do I When does this >> Okay. It's It's kind of a punishment. >> Okay. It's It's kind of a punishment. >> Okay. It's It's kind of a punishment. >> It's kind of an Well, I'll tell you. It >> It's kind of an Well, I'll tell you. It >> It's kind of an Well, I'll tell you. It was something that appeared in your was something that appeared in your was something that appeared in your talk. Not something that was said by talk. Not something that was said by talk. Not something that was said by you. you. you. >> Is it a piece of cheese? >> Is it a piece of cheese? >> Is it a piece of cheese? >> You're very close. It involves cheese. >> You're very close. It involves cheese. >> You're very close. It involves cheese. >> A piece of pizza. >> A piece of pizza. >> A piece of pizza. >> Yeah, there you go. It is a slice of >> Yeah, there you go. It is a slice of >> Yeah, there you go. It is a slice of pizza. It's a slice of pizza.

pizza. It's a slice of pizza. pizza. It's a slice of pizza. >> It's a slice of pizza. Okay. I like >> It's a slice of pizza. Okay. I like >> It's a slice of pizza. Okay. I like that. That was a good That was I like that. That was a good That was I like that. That was a good That was I like that clue because it was also a call that clue because it was also a call that clue because it was also a call back to the talk. back to the talk. back to the talk. >> Exactly. Watch the talk if you haven't >> Exactly. Watch the talk if you haven't >> Exactly. Watch the talk if you haven't already. Okay. Okay. Question. already. Okay. Okay. Question. already. Okay. Okay. Question. >> Am I really doing another one of these? >> Am I really doing another one of these? >> Am I really doing another one of these? >> Uh you you don't have to. You could just >> Uh you you don't have to. You could just >> Uh you you don't have to. You could just build something random if you want. build something random if you want. build something random if you want. >> No. All right. I will >> No. All right. I will >> No. All right. I will >> I got to I got to get another one, too. >> I got to I got to get another one, too. >> I got to I got to get another one, too. Um Um Um >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Okay. You talk a lot about breaking Okay. You talk a lot about breaking Okay. You talk a lot about breaking rules. rules. rules. >> I Oh, I thought that you were just going >> I Oh, I thought that you were just going >> I Oh, I thought that you were just going to end that sentence with you talk a to end that sentence with you talk a to end that sentence with you talk a lot. lot. lot. >> No, no, no. You talk the perfect amount. >> No, no, no. You talk the perfect amount. >> No, no, no. You talk the perfect amount. >> Too much. Maybe. You talk a lot about >> Too much. Maybe. You talk a lot about >> Too much. Maybe. You talk a lot about breaking rules. breaking rules. breaking rules. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Is that is that fair to say? >> Is that is that fair to say? >> Is that is that fair to say? >> That is fair to say. The rules break. I >> That is fair to say. The rules break. I >> That is fair to say. The rules break. I have a rule book called The Rules We have a rule book called The Rules We have a rule book called The Rules We Break. That's a compendium of all the Break. That's a compendium of all the Break. That's a compendium of all the ways that I teach game design or really ways that I teach game design or really ways that I teach game design or really teach design through games and play. teach design through games and play. teach design through games and play. >> Um but yeah, go ahead. >> Um but yeah, go ahead. >> Um but yeah, go ahead. >> It's quite good. Um okay. You have a >> It's quite good. Um okay. You have a >> It's quite good. Um okay. You have a design exercise about modding design exercise about modding design exercise about modding tic-tac-toe. tic-tac-toe. tic-tac-toe. >> Oh yes, I do. Yeah, absolutely. Have you >> Oh yes, I do. Yeah, absolutely. Have you >> Oh yes, I do. Yeah, absolutely. Have you do you feel like there is a game a a do you feel like there is a game a a do you feel like there is a game a a traditional game that you've taken and traditional game that you've taken and traditional game that you've taken and made a superior version of it in the in made a superior version of it in the in made a superior version of it in the in the course of of tinkering with rules? the course of of tinkering with rules? the course of of tinkering with rules? >> Um well they're definitely people >> Um well they're definitely people >> Um well they're definitely people definitely improve on tic-tac-toe.

definitely improve on tic-tac-toe. definitely improve on tic-tac-toe. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> people I definitely have seen people >> people I definitely have seen people >> people I definitely have seen people improve. improve. improve. >> Kind of a low bar, right? >> Kind of a low bar, right? >> Kind of a low bar, right? >> Yeah, but this is what you >> Yeah, but this is what you >> Yeah, but this is what you >> Sorry, Mr. Tic Tac. >> Sorry, Mr. Tic Tac. >> Sorry, Mr. Tic Tac. >> This is your qu tic tac. Sorry, a folk >> This is your qu tic tac. Sorry, a folk >> This is your qu tic tac. Sorry, a folk folk spirit that that invented uh tic folk spirit that that invented uh tic folk spirit that that invented uh tic tactoe. Um, so I um tactoe. Um, so I um tactoe. Um, so I um um yeah, I'll give you a couple of yeah, I'll give you a couple of examples. One one one example of an of examples. One one one example of an of examples. One one one example of an of an improvement on tic-tac-toe that I've an improvement on tic-tac-toe that I've an improvement on tic-tac-toe that I've seen emerge out of that exercise is just seen emerge out of that exercise is just seen emerge out of that exercise is just you it's tic-tac-toe, but you play to you it's tic-tac-toe, but you play to you it's tic-tac-toe, but you play to lose instead of win. So if your opponent lose instead of win. So if your opponent lose instead of win. So if your opponent gets three in a row, then you win. And gets three in a row, then you win. And gets three in a row, then you win. And what I love about that is it's so what I love about that is it's so what I love about that is it's so elegant elegant elegant >> and it's probably >> and it's probably >> and it's probably >> force a win for them. >> force a win for them. >> force a win for them. >> It's probably a solvable problem. like >> It's probably a solvable problem. like >> It's probably a solvable problem. like it's probably not maybe it's slightly it's probably not maybe it's slightly it's probably not maybe it's slightly more deep, but I just love it because more deep, but I just love it because more deep, but I just love it because >> you can play it and use all of your >> you can play it and use all of your >> you can play it and use all of your tic-tac-toe knowledge and it's like tic-tac-toe knowledge and it's like tic-tac-toe knowledge and it's like tic-tac-toe is all fresh and new again tic-tac-toe is all fresh and new again tic-tac-toe is all fresh and new again and we can all appreciate the elegance and we can all appreciate the elegance and we can all appreciate the elegance of that just little reversal of the of that just little reversal of the of that just little reversal of the winning conditions that suddenly winning conditions that suddenly winning conditions that suddenly transforms the whole game. And I'll give transforms the whole game. And I'll give transforms the whole game. And I'll give you one more example. Um you one more example. Um you one more example. Um >> uh something else that I've seen come up >> uh something else that I've seen come up >> uh something else that I've seen come up actually let's say it's medium medium actually let's say it's medium medium actually let's say it's medium medium com like a lot of people expand the grid com like a lot of people expand the grid com like a lot of people expand the grid and things like that. Sometimes people and things like that. Sometimes people and things like that. Sometimes people do multiple tic-tac-toe. So they'll do do multiple tic-tac-toe. So they'll do do multiple tic-tac-toe. So they'll do like nine tic-tac-toe grids and then you like nine tic-tac-toe grids and then you like nine tic-tac-toe grids and then you what you do is you make a move somewhere what you do is you make a move somewhere what you do is you make a move somewhere and then your opponent makes a move and then your opponent makes a move and then your opponent makes a move somewhere. So then somewhere. So then somewhere. So then >> all of the grids.

>> all of the grids. >> all of the grids. >> Yeah. Across all the grids and when I >> Yeah. Across all the grids and when I >> Yeah. Across all the grids and when I win in one of the games then I get a win in one of the games then I get a win in one of the games then I get a point. Sometimes people play like I'm point. Sometimes people play like I'm point. Sometimes people play like I'm actually trying to get tic-tac-toe actually trying to get tic-tac-toe actually trying to get tic-tac-toe within the grid of nine of nine and within the grid of nine of nine and within the grid of nine of nine and sometimes it's just for points. But um sometimes it's just for points. But um sometimes it's just for points. But um you're you're playing it's like a you're you're playing it's like a you're you're playing it's like a tic-tac-toe grid of tic-tac-toe games if tic-tac-toe grid of tic-tac-toe games if tic-tac-toe grid of tic-tac-toe games if that makes sense. Yeah, it's a it's a that makes sense. Yeah, it's a it's a that makes sense. Yeah, it's a it's a meta tic it's a 3x3 grid of tic-tac-toe meta tic it's a 3x3 grid of tic-tac-toe meta tic it's a 3x3 grid of tic-tac-toe games games games >> and you have to win and you're deciding >> and you have to win and you're deciding >> and you have to win and you're deciding you can play in any of them you can play in any of them you can play in any of them >> but you have to win a meta tic tac-toe >> but you have to win a meta tic tac-toe >> but you have to win a meta tic tac-toe where you have to win three games. Okay, where you have to win three games. Okay, where you have to win three games. Okay, that's that's cool. I like that. That's that's that's cool. I like that. That's that's that's cool. I like that. That's >> um Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that that that >> um Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that that that >> um Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that that that does work well. does work well. does work well. >> Can I show you a song that I learned? I >> Can I show you a song that I learned? I >> Can I show you a song that I learned? I I um I we we visited the Lego I um I we we visited the Lego I um I we we visited the Lego headquarters and there are a lot of headquarters and there are a lot of headquarters and there are a lot of >> Lord it over me. Why don't you? I would >> Lord it over me. Why don't you? I would >> Lord it over me. Why don't you? I would love to visit. Why didn't you invite me? love to visit. Why didn't you invite me? love to visit. Why didn't you invite me? I would have loved to come. I would have loved to come. I would have loved to come. >> I would if I could next time. Okay. So, >> I would if I could next time. Okay. So, >> I would if I could next time. Okay. So, I saw they have a lot of Lego bricks on I saw they have a lot of Lego bricks on I saw they have a lot of Lego bricks on >> a spontaneous response to >> a spontaneous response to >> a spontaneous response to >> they don't have Lego bricks on the table >> they don't have Lego bricks on the table >> they don't have Lego bricks on the table and um and people have been building and um and people have been building and um and people have been building something. I saw somebody do this um something. I saw somebody do this um something. I saw somebody do this um which I didn't know you could do with which I didn't know you could do with which I didn't know you could do with Lego bricks and it it's sort of like Lego bricks and it it's sort of like Lego bricks and it it's sort of like >> oh yeah that's like a 90 degree like an >> oh yeah that's like a 90 degree like an >> oh yeah that's like a 90 degree like an obvious obvious obvious >> that was that was all of the that was >> that was that was all of the that was >> that was that was all of the that was all of the lasers on my um you know all of the lasers on my um you know all of the lasers on my um you know >> so you can as a seven-year-old >> so you can as a seven-year-old >> so you can as a seven-year-old >> uh it blew my mind.

>> uh it blew my mind. >> uh it blew my mind. >> Yeah. my entire life until last year. I >> Yeah. my entire life until last year. I >> Yeah. my entire life until last year. I knew you could do something like that. knew you could do something like that. knew you could do something like that. >> Yeah, that's a I used all those skinny >> Yeah, that's a I used all those skinny >> Yeah, that's a I used all those skinny long pieces like that's that's how you long pieces like that's that's how you long pieces like that's that's how you get the get the get the >> way to have the curve. That's why you're >> way to have the curve. That's why you're >> way to have the curve. That's why you're a game designer. I don't know. a game designer. I don't know. a game designer. I don't know. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> you saw you saw the the potential. You >> you saw you saw the the potential. You >> you saw you saw the the potential. You saw the the break of the rule. saw the the break of the rule. saw the the break of the rule. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Here's I got one for you. >> Okay. Here's I got one for you. >> Okay. Here's I got one for you. >> Uh it sort of went a little off the >> Uh it sort of went a little off the >> Uh it sort of went a little off the rails. rails. rails. >> Oh, there's a head at the end of that. >> Oh, there's a head at the end of that. >> Oh, there's a head at the end of that. >> Yeah. I mean, here let's I'll just stick >> Yeah. I mean, here let's I'll just stick >> Yeah. I mean, here let's I'll just stick it on here, but you don't know where it on here, but you don't know where it on here, but you don't know where it's supposed to be. Um again, it's a it's supposed to be. Um again, it's a it's supposed to be. Um again, it's a it's an abstraction. Okay. Is that Is the head a head or is Okay. Is that Is the head a head or is it just a yellow? it just a yellow? it just a yellow? >> The head is a head. No, the head's a >> The head is a head. No, the head's a >> The head is a head. No, the head's a head. head. head. >> Oh, is this like a It's a a gallows. >> Oh, is this like a It's a a gallows. >> Oh, is this like a It's a a gallows. It's a scarecrow. It's a scarecrow. It's a scarecrow. >> You're You're on the right track with >> You're You're on the right track with >> You're You're on the right track with scarecrow. scarecrow. scarecrow. >> Okay. It's like a Is it It's a Is it a >> Okay. It's like a Is it It's a Is it a >> Okay. It's like a Is it It's a Is it a crucifixion? I don't Somehow I would crucifixion? I don't Somehow I would crucifixion? I don't Somehow I would think that's not that that wasn't think that's not that that wasn't think that's not that that wasn't actually actually actually >> that would be like sacrilegious or you >> that would be like sacrilegious or you >> that would be like sacrilegious or you know, it could be. Yeah. Not just know, it could be. Yeah. Not just know, it could be. Yeah. Not just religious religion. religious religion. religious religion. >> That's the game we're playing now to see >> That's the game we're playing now to see >> That's the game we're playing now to see who we can. who we can. who we can. >> All right. But the basis seems >> All right. But the basis seems >> All right. But the basis seems significant to me. The base is significant to me. The base is significant to me. The base is >> because the base is the most substantial >> because the base is the most substantial >> because the base is the most substantial part of this. part of this. part of this. >> The base is probably the creation where >> The base is probably the creation where >> The base is probably the creation where I was constructing in a reasonable way.

I was constructing in a reasonable way. I was constructing in a reasonable way. >> Uh, okay. The base. So, what is that? >> Uh, okay. The base. So, what is that? >> Uh, okay. The base. So, what is that? It's like a pillar or a It's like a pillar or a It's like a pillar or a >> podium or or uh >> podium or or uh >> podium or or uh >> Okay. I Let's Let's do a mod because I >> Okay. I Let's Let's do a mod because I >> Okay. I Let's Let's do a mod because I think that part is is becoming think that part is is becoming think that part is is becoming confusing. confusing. confusing. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> okay. Okay. This is this is >> okay. Okay. This is this is >> okay. Okay. This is this is >> this is after time. This is time passes >> this is after time. This is time passes >> this is after time. This is time passes and this is what you're left with. and this is what you're left with. and this is what you're left with. >> Oh, it's like a sand timer. >> Oh, it's like a sand timer. >> Oh, it's like a sand timer. >> Okay. You're you're No, you're on the >> Okay. You're you're No, you're on the >> Okay. You're you're No, you're on the right track. It is a it is like a a right track. It is a it is like a a right track. It is a it is like a a figurative thing, figurative thing, figurative thing, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Um but like the passage of of sand >> Um but like the passage of of sand >> Um but like the passage of of sand through a timer, it has it has through a timer, it has it has through a timer, it has it has transformed. >> Okay. But it's shrunk over time. >> Okay. But it's shrunk over time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's shrunk over time. >> It's shrunk over time. >> It's shrunk over time. >> Exactly. And it has a head. >> Exactly. And it has a head. >> Exactly. And it has a head. >> So what what what does not grow but has >> So what what what does not grow but has >> So what what what does not grow but has a like a a living creature riddle would a like a a living creature riddle would a like a a living creature riddle would grow over time. grow over time. grow over time. >> It's not a cor. >> It's not a cor. >> It's not a cor. >> Exactly. So, this is something with a >> Exactly. So, this is something with a >> Exactly. So, this is something with a head that shrunk. head that shrunk. head that shrunk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is it like >> Is it like >> Is it like >> It isn't old, but it lives in the cold. >> It isn't old, but it lives in the cold. >> It isn't old, but it lives in the cold. >> A snowman that melted. >> A snowman that melted. >> A snowman that melted. >> That's what was on the piece of paper.

>> That's what was on the piece of paper. >> That's what was on the piece of paper. That was just my inability to find more. That was just my inability to find more. That was just my inability to find more. >> I'm I'm going to give you one. >> I'm I'm going to give you one. >> I'm I'm going to give you one. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But I don't know if you're going to get >> But I don't know if you're going to get >> But I don't know if you're going to get it. So, this is it. So, this is it. So, this is >> that's the in Queens. >> that's the in Queens. >> that's the in Queens. >> Yeah. No, this is it's not >> Yeah. No, this is it's not >> Yeah. No, this is it's not architectural. It's much smaller. In architectural. It's much smaller. In architectural. It's much smaller. In fact, I'm gonna give you some This is fact, I'm gonna give you some This is fact, I'm gonna give you some This is for context. for context. for context. >> It's the UFO from Men in Black. This is >> It's the UFO from Men in Black. This is >> It's the UFO from Men in Black. This is for context. for context. for context. >> Okay. A trash can, a barbecue. >> Okay. A trash can, a barbecue. >> Okay. A trash can, a barbecue. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> it's probably the context would be more >> it's probably the context would be more >> it's probably the context would be more like this. like this. like this. >> A a flying tree. >> A a flying tree. >> A a flying tree. >> No, no, this would be larger in context. >> No, no, this would be larger in context. >> No, no, this would be larger in context. >> Oh, okay. Oh, so it's small like like a >> Oh, okay. Oh, so it's small like like a >> Oh, okay. Oh, so it's small like like a like recessed lighting on a path. like recessed lighting on a path. like recessed lighting on a path. >> It looks like that. It looks too much >> It looks like that. It looks too much >> It looks like that. It looks too much like that. Let me I'm going to also give like that. Let me I'm going to also give like that. Let me I'm going to also give you some more context. I'm gonna I need you some more context. I'm gonna I need you some more context. I'm gonna I need it. it. it. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> you're going to keep building. >> you're going to keep building. >> you're going to keep building. >> Okay. No, no. I'm going to perform the >> Okay. No, no. I'm going to perform the >> Okay. No, no. I'm going to perform the clue for you. I'm clue for you. I'm clue for you. I'm Oh, that's interesting. I Oh, that's interesting. I Oh, that's interesting. I got it. got it. got it. >> Okay. Wait. Now, now I'm possibly more Wait. Now, now I'm possibly more confused. confused. confused. >> All right. That's right. There's a lot >> All right. That's right. There's a lot >> All right. That's right. There's a lot of things that one could Oh, it's a of things that one could Oh, it's a of things that one could Oh, it's a mushroom.

mushroom. mushroom. >> It is a mushroom. A >> It is a mushroom. A >> It is a mushroom. A >> death cat mushroom. >> death cat mushroom. >> death cat mushroom. >> It is a mushroom. Some of which are >> It is a mushroom. Some of which are >> It is a mushroom. Some of which are poisonous. poisonous. poisonous. >> Yeah. Not all mushrooms. >> Yeah. Not all mushrooms. >> Yeah. Not all mushrooms. >> Contact. Okay. So, mushroom is really >> Contact. Okay. So, mushroom is really >> Contact. Okay. So, mushroom is really hard because it's like how do you hard because it's like how do you hard because it's like how do you >> Yeah. Yeah. the the topology. >> Yeah. Yeah. the the topology. >> Yeah. Yeah. the the topology. >> What I like is that the the premise is >> What I like is that the the premise is >> What I like is that the the premise is that oh just the pure Lego can express that oh just the pure Lego can express that oh just the pure Lego can express like no no you and I are having to give like no no you and I are having to give like no no you and I are having to give clues and hints and I like your clues and hints and I like your clues and hints and I like your transformation of the snowman. So I like transformation of the snowman. So I like transformation of the snowman. So I like it that so what's interesting about this it that so what's interesting about this it that so what's interesting about this game is that it's it's not just about game is that it's it's not just about game is that it's it's not just about Lego construction which is what one Lego construction which is what one Lego construction which is what one would think but it's really also about would think but it's really also about would think but it's really also about >> as the as the clue giver you're having >> as the as the clue giver you're having >> as the as the clue giver you're having to like and you know this because you're to like and you know this because you're to like and you know this because you're a puzzle designer too. It's like how do a puzzle designer too. It's like how do a puzzle designer too. It's like how do you give a clue so that someone can kind you give a clue so that someone can kind you give a clue so that someone can kind of inch towards a solution but you're of inch towards a solution but you're of inch towards a solution but you're not giving it away. Exactly. Right. So not giving it away. Exactly. Right. So not giving it away. Exactly. Right. So it's this is this is a sense in which it's this is this is a sense in which it's this is this is a sense in which game designers are like game designers are like game designers are like >> we're not performers but we it's like >> we're not performers but we it's like >> we're not performers but we it's like we're sculpting the performance of the we're sculpting the performance of the we're sculpting the performance of the player. Right. We want to give them that player. Right. We want to give them that player. Right. We want to give them that satisfaction of that aha moment. We satisfaction of that aha moment. We satisfaction of that aha moment. We don't want to steal that from them by don't want to steal that from them by don't want to steal that from them by giving them a clue that's too obvious, giving them a clue that's too obvious, giving them a clue that's too obvious, you know?

you know? you know? >> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Uh it's like a lot >> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Uh it's like a lot >> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Uh it's like a lot of other minds. You got to sort of think of other minds. You got to sort of think of other minds. You got to sort of think not not how about you're thinking about not not how about you're thinking about not not how about you're thinking about it, but how are not not how I'm thinking it, but how are not not how I'm thinking it, but how are not not how I'm thinking about it. How are you going to think about it. How are you going to think about it. How are you going to think about it? about it? about it? >> Right. I mean it's um I mean I tried to >> Right. I mean it's um I mean I tried to >> Right. I mean it's um I mean I tried to make the snowman guessable though. I make the snowman guessable though. I make the snowman guessable though. I wasn't trying to give you a challenge. wasn't trying to give you a challenge. wasn't trying to give you a challenge. I'm just bad at building a I'm just bad at building a I'm just bad at building a >> No, no, no. But that's what I'm saying. >> No, no, no. But that's what I'm saying. >> No, no, no. But that's what I'm saying. What's interesting about this game is What's interesting about this game is What's interesting about this game is that the restrictions of Lego, the that the restrictions of Lego, the that the restrictions of Lego, the abstraction of Lego and our limited abstraction of Lego and our limited abstraction of Lego and our limited supply and limited time forces us into supply and limited time forces us into supply and limited time forces us into this I I had to do it too. It forces us this I I had to do it too. It forces us this I I had to do it too. It forces us into this clue giving world, right? into this clue giving world, right? into this clue giving world, right? >> We might just need to get good though, >> We might just need to get good though, >> We might just need to get good though, right? Like right? Like right? Like >> I don't know. I think that we're I mean >> I don't know. I think that we're I mean >> I don't know. I think that we're I mean we're I think we're doing we're I think we're doing we're I think we're doing >> we went through a lot of a lot of work. >> we went through a lot of a lot of work. >> we went through a lot of a lot of work. >> This is what I'm trying to say. I'm >> This is what I'm trying to say. I'm >> This is what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to kind of say that even though trying to kind of say that even though trying to kind of say that even though we're not just sculpting and just we're not just sculpting and just we're not just sculpting and just leaving it there like that it part I'm leaving it there like that it part I'm leaving it there like that it part I'm realizing that part of the design of realizing that part of the design of realizing that part of the design of this is the clue giving design. Totally. this is the clue giving design. Totally. this is the clue giving design. Totally. Totally. It's like it's a kind of Totally. It's like it's a kind of Totally. It's like it's a kind of seduction. seduction. seduction. >> And these are play objects, right? Like >> And these are play objects, right? Like >> And these are play objects, right? Like they're they're not meant to be just they're they're not meant to be just they're they're not meant to be just placed and and admired. They're meant to placed and and admired. They're meant to placed and and admired. They're meant to be be be >> they're meant to be Yeah. part part of a >> they're meant to be Yeah. part part of a >> they're meant to be Yeah. part part of a situation. situation. situation. >> Yeah. Well, speaking of puzzles, should >> Yeah. Well, speaking of puzzles, should >> Yeah. Well, speaking of puzzles, should we should we play a puzzle game?

we should we play a puzzle game? we should we play a puzzle game? >> Sure. Okay. Okay. >> Sure. Okay. Okay. >> Sure. Okay. Okay. >> Always ready to play. >> Always ready to play. >> Always ready to play. >> Always ready. >> Always ready. >> Always ready. >> Something else. And I'm gonna save you >> Something else. And I'm gonna save you >> Something else. And I'm gonna save you audience from having to watch us audience from having to watch us audience from having to watch us painfully. Should I take this off the painfully. Should I take this off the painfully. Should I take this off the table? table? table? >> No. No. You're good. >> No. No. You're good. >> No. No. You're good. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You're the guest here. You don't have to >> You're the guest here. You don't have to >> You're the guest here. You don't have to do stuff like that. do stuff like that. do stuff like that. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Okay. We're going to play a word game >> Okay. We're going to play a word game >> Okay. We're going to play a word game called Letter Brew. called Letter Brew. called Letter Brew. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, this is a game. It starts with >> Okay. So, this is a game. It starts with >> Okay. So, this is a game. It starts with word letters. Are do you know word word letters. Are do you know word word letters. Are do you know word ladders where you change ladders where you change ladders where you change >> Believe I know what a word ladder is. >> Believe I know what a word ladder is. >> Believe I know what a word ladder is. It's a classic It's a classic It's a classic It's a classic It's a classic It's a classic >> word game type where you transform a >> word game type where you transform a >> word game type where you transform a word by changing one letter in the word. word by changing one letter in the word. word by changing one letter in the word. >> Exactly. So, the first step of this game >> Exactly. So, the first step of this game >> Exactly. So, the first step of this game are word letters. are word letters. are word letters. >> To bat, for example, change the first >> To bat, for example, change the first >> To bat, for example, change the first letter letter letter >> to submit. >> to submit. >> to submit. >> Okay, good. Can we just make that my >> Okay, good. Can we just make that my >> Okay, good. Can we just make that my game so I don't have to embarrass myself game so I don't have to embarrass myself game so I don't have to embarrass myself doing a hard one? doing a hard one? doing a hard one? >> You're not going to embarrass yourself >> You're not going to embarrass yourself >> You're not going to embarrass yourself because we're going to do it together. because we're going to do it together. because we're going to do it together. Um, we might co-embarrass ourselves. Um, we might co-embarrass ourselves. Um, we might co-embarrass ourselves. Okay. So, like boxy and the clue is Okay. So, like boxy and the clue is Okay. So, like boxy and the clue is skeletal actually. skeletal actually. skeletal actually. >> Okay. Um, >> Okay. Um, >> Okay. Um, uh, so bony uh, so bony uh, so bony >> bony bony, right? Okay. >> bony bony, right? Okay. >> bony bony, right? Okay. >> My little blank toy franchise with >> My little blank toy franchise with >> My little blank toy franchise with ecquin characters. ecquin characters. ecquin characters. >> Okay. that I like I like the obviousness >> Okay. that I like I like the obviousness >> Okay. that I like I like the obviousness of the clue. That would be a pony. My of the clue. That would be a pony. My of the clue. That would be a pony. My little pony little pony little pony >> and uh >> and uh >> and uh >> or our little pony if we want to share >> or our little pony if we want to share >> or our little pony if we want to share pony. Yeah. Okay. I like that. Yeah. All pony. Yeah. Okay. I like that. Yeah. All pony. Yeah. Okay. I like that. Yeah. All right. We'll co-parent our pony right. We'll co-parent our pony right. We'll co-parent our pony together.

together. together. >> That sounds great. Cutie marks. >> That sounds great. Cutie marks. >> That sounds great. Cutie marks. >> Wow. Who knew? >> Wow. Who knew? >> Wow. Who knew? >> Who knew what would come out of this >> Who knew what would come out of this >> Who knew what would come out of this podcast? We're I'm I'm now a proud podcast? We're I'm I'm now a proud podcast? We're I'm I'm now a proud co-parent of a pony. co-parent of a pony. co-parent of a pony. >> I know. Yeah. Well, you'll collect your >> I know. Yeah. Well, you'll collect your >> I know. Yeah. Well, you'll collect your pony when you leave. pony when you leave. pony when you leave. >> Okay. I assume Ted is paying for all >> Okay. I assume Ted is paying for all >> Okay. I assume Ted is paying for all costs associated with the pony race. We costs associated with the pony race. We costs associated with the pony race. We >> have deep pony pockets. >> have deep pony pockets. >> have deep pony pockets. >> Okay. Okay. Possible home for a duck. >> Okay. Okay. Possible home for a duck. >> Okay. Okay. Possible home for a duck. >> That's that that is a phrase that sticks >> That's that that is a phrase that sticks >> That's that that is a phrase that sticks in the memory pockets. Pony pockets. in the memory pockets. Pony pockets. in the memory pockets. Pony pockets. Yeah, that sounds like a new Yeah, that sounds like a new Yeah, that sounds like a new Yeah, a new like a new form of song. Yeah, a new like a new form of song. Yeah, a new like a new form of song. Okay, Okay, Okay, >> we go to different places. >> we go to different places. >> we go to different places. >> We have to finish the pond. >> We have to finish the pond. >> We have to finish the pond. >> What? Oh, >> What? Oh, >> What? Oh, >> I'm so sorry. I thought we were playing >> I'm so sorry. I thought we were playing >> I'm so sorry. I thought we were playing together. together. together. >> You It was Home for a Duck, I think. >> You It was Home for a Duck, I think. >> You It was Home for a Duck, I think. >> Yeah, I distracted myself. >> Yeah, I distracted myself. >> Yeah, I distracted myself. >> Trusted you to get that. Okay. Punic >> Trusted you to get that. Okay. Punic >> Trusted you to get that. Okay. Punic where you see that. where you see that. where you see that. >> So, P just to explain to the viewers. So >> So, P just to explain to the viewers. So >> So, P just to explain to the viewers. So >> the way that I know I know but the way >> the way that I know I know but the way >> the way that I know I know but the way that this game works is that you that this game works is that you that this game works is that you actually do three of these separately actually do three of these separately actually do three of these separately and then there's this sort of final and then there's this sort of final and then there's this sort of final moment of moment of moment of >> Yeah. It all comes together. It's all >> Yeah. It all comes together. It's all >> Yeah. It all comes together. It's all >> that's what I'm terrified of. I feel >> that's what I'm terrified of. I feel >> that's what I'm terrified of. I feel like the word ladders I'm okay with. like the word ladders I'm okay with. like the word ladders I'm okay with. >> I'll take a clue on that part if we need >> I'll take a clue on that part if we need >> I'll take a clue on that part if we need it. Okay. Punic to lose your cool. it. Okay. Punic to lose your cool. it. Okay. Punic to lose your cool. >> Um panic.

>> Um panic. >> Um panic. >> Panic. Okay. Thank you for steering us. >> Panic. Okay. Thank you for steering us. >> Panic. Okay. Thank you for steering us. Um Um Um >> my pleasure. In a frenzy frenzy. >> my pleasure. In a frenzy frenzy. >> my pleasure. In a frenzy frenzy. >> I mean panic already is in a frenzy. >> I mean panic already is in a frenzy. >> I mean panic already is in a frenzy. >> I know. Yeah. Even more so. >> I know. Yeah. Even more so. >> I know. Yeah. Even more so. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> manic. Oh, manic. All right. I like >> manic. Oh, manic. All right. I like >> manic. Oh, manic. All right. I like that. Okay. You don't know the answer. that. Okay. You don't know the answer. that. Okay. You don't know the answer. >> I don't believe you, bud. I believe >> I don't believe you, bud. I believe >> I don't believe you, bud. I believe >> No, I truly don't play this level. >> No, I truly don't play this level. >> No, I truly don't play this level. >> Jocular answer to how did you do that? >> Jocular answer to how did you do that? >> Jocular answer to how did you do that? >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> uh, >> how did post your answer in the >> how did post your answer in the comments? comments? comments? >> How did you do that? Um, >> maybe no. >> maybe no. >> How did you do that? Here, let's take a >> How did you do that? Here, let's take a >> How did you do that? Here, let's take a clue of uh which letter name to change. clue of uh which letter name to change. clue of uh which letter name to change. >> Um, >> magic. >> magic. >> Magic. Ah, >> Magic. Ah, >> Magic. Ah, >> magic. >> magic. >> magic. >> I like that. How did you How did you do >> I like that. How did you How did you do >> I like that. How did you How did you do that? that? that? >> This is ostensibly the easy part of the >> This is ostensibly the easy part of the >> This is ostensibly the easy part of the game. Okay. Okay. Uh, pair to what? game. Okay. Okay. Uh, pair to what? game. Okay. Okay. Uh, pair to what? Aspirin release pain. Aspirin release pain. Aspirin release pain. >> Aspirin release pain. I'm going to say >> Aspirin release pain. I'm going to say >> Aspirin release pain. I'm going to say it quickly so that they don't think that it quickly so that they don't think that it quickly so that they don't think that you're going to get them all.

you're going to get them all. you're going to get them all. >> Chest piece that on. Yep. >> Chest piece that on. Yep. >> Chest piece that on. Yep. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. I I feel like a chess piece that needs I I feel like a chess piece that needs I I feel like a chess piece that needs to be promoted after this. to be promoted after this. to be promoted after this. >> No, you just gave a TED talk. You're >> No, you just gave a TED talk. You're >> No, you just gave a TED talk. You're promoted. promoted. promoted. >> Oh, okay. Good. All right. Well, I like >> Oh, okay. Good. All right. Well, I like >> Oh, okay. Good. All right. Well, I like I said, as long as Ted is covering my I said, as long as Ted is covering my I said, as long as Ted is covering my pony expenses, I'll be all right. pony expenses, I'll be all right. pony expenses, I'll be all right. >> Deep pony pockets >> Deep pony pockets >> Deep pony pockets >> on on set. Um >> on on set. Um >> on on set. Um >> I think it's dawn. >> I think it's dawn. >> I think it's dawn. >> Dawn. >> Dawn. >> Dawn. >> On set as in beginning. Yeah. >> On set as in beginning. Yeah. >> On set as in beginning. Yeah. >> I still was thinking like on stage >> I still was thinking like on stage >> I still was thinking like on stage multiple meanings. multiple meanings. multiple meanings. >> Okay. Now, okay. So, this is where we've >> Okay. Now, okay. So, this is where we've >> Okay. Now, okay. So, this is where we've we've made three potions down here, we've made three potions down here, we've made three potions down here, right? And we have to transform all right? And we have to transform all right? And we have to transform all three of those words into the same final three of those words into the same final three of those words into the same final answer, right? answer, right? answer, right? >> And we're gonna do that. One of them >> And we're gonna do that. One of them >> And we're gonna do that. One of them we're gonna anagram, change the letter we're gonna anagram, change the letter we're gonna anagram, change the letter order. Um, one we're g it's going to be order. Um, one we're g it's going to be order. Um, one we're g it's going to be a rhyme and the other is the other half a rhyme and the other is the other half a rhyme and the other is the other half of a common phrase. It'll be blank this of a common phrase. It'll be blank this of a common phrase. It'll be blank this or this blank, right? or this blank, right? or this blank, right? >> So, for example, um, >> So, for example, um, >> So, for example, um, >> okay, so one thing that I already know >> okay, so one thing that I already know >> okay, so one thing that I already know is that magic can't be the rhyme because is that magic can't be the rhyme because is that magic can't be the rhyme because it seems like it seems like it seems like >> pond and dawn maybe could rhyme. Yeah, >> pond and dawn maybe could rhyme. Yeah, >> pond and dawn maybe could rhyme. Yeah, >> that those seem like the the I mean one >> that those seem like the the I mean one >> that those seem like the the I mean one of them could be an anagram which then of them could be an anagram which then of them could be an anagram which then >> so I bet it's going to be so so I think >> so I bet it's going to be so so I think >> so I bet it's going to be so so I think we can place magic there.

we can place magic there. we can place magic there. >> Um because >> Um because >> Um because >> Oh, right. Because logical deduction, >> Oh, right. Because logical deduction, >> Oh, right. Because logical deduction, right? So right? So right? So >> logical deduction. >> logical deduction. >> logical deduction. >> Can we anagram >> Can we anagram >> Can we anagram other half of a common phrase? other half of a common phrase? other half of a common phrase? >> Magic. >> Magic. >> Magic. >> Magic. Okay. >> Magic. Okay. >> Magic. Okay. >> Wand. Magic wand. >> Wand. Magic wand. >> Wand. Magic wand. >> Magic wand rhymes with pond, >> Magic wand rhymes with pond, >> Magic wand rhymes with pond, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And is an anagram of dawn. >> And is an anagram of dawn. >> And is an anagram of dawn. >> All right. Wow. Magic wand. And so then >> All right. Wow. Magic wand. And so then >> All right. Wow. Magic wand. And so then we type in we type in we type in >> magic >> magic >> magic >> wand. Wand wand. Yes. Thank you, >> wand. Wand wand. Yes. Thank you, >> wand. Wand wand. Yes. Thank you, >> wand. >> wand. >> wand. >> All right. Hey, we did it. All right. >> All right. Hey, we did it. All right. >> All right. Hey, we did it. All right. >> We did it. >> We did it. >> We did it. >> All right. Yeah. Yeah. Team work. >> All right. Yeah. Yeah. Team work. >> All right. Yeah. Yeah. Team work. >> All right. Nice. >> All right. Nice. >> All right. Nice. >> Okay. You want to play a different game? >> Okay. You want to play a different game? >> Okay. You want to play a different game? >> Nice job. >> Nice job. >> Nice job. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Excellent. >> Excellent. >> Excellent. >> I I'm always ready to play more games. >> I I'm always ready to play more games. >> I I'm always ready to play more games. >> Excellent. Okay. We're going to play a >> Excellent. Okay. We're going to play a >> Excellent. Okay. We're going to play a game called the purring test. game called the purring test. game called the purring test. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um this is a game about trying to wrap >> Um this is a game about trying to wrap >> Um this is a game about trying to wrap your head around like AI generated your head around like AI generated your head around like AI generated stuff. It's it's a game about basically stuff. It's it's a game about basically stuff. It's it's a game about basically how weird AI is. Um and like much is how weird AI is. Um and like much is how weird AI is. Um and like much is made of the fact that AI is a black box, made of the fact that AI is a black box, made of the fact that AI is a black box, right? And but um you know it's it's right? And but um you know it's it's right? And but um you know it's it's impossible to trace the the path from impossible to trace the the path from impossible to trace the the path from input to output. But what one thing you input to output. But what one thing you input to output. But what one thing you can do is you can learn about things by can do is you can learn about things by can do is you can learn about things by playing with them, right? That's what playing with them, right? That's what playing with them, right? That's what this game about is about. It's also this game about is about. It's also this game about is about. It's also about teaching. about teaching. about teaching. >> And what I like about this about this >> And what I like about this about this >> And what I like about this about this game as a vibe is that it is it's it's game as a vibe is that it is it's it's game as a vibe is that it is it's it's using AI, but it's also kind of using AI, but it's also kind of using AI, but it's also kind of ridiculing AI all at the same time.

ridiculing AI all at the same time. ridiculing AI all at the same time. >> Yeah. And this is not how great AI is. >> Yeah. And this is not how great AI is. >> Yeah. And this is not how great AI is. This is like how freaking weird. And This is like how freaking weird. And This is like how freaking weird. And should we should we assume everyone should we should we assume everyone should we should we assume everyone knows what the title refers to the the knows what the title refers to the the knows what the title refers to the the purring test? purring test? purring test? >> No. No, not necessarily. Do you want to >> No. No, not necessarily. Do you want to >> No. No, not necessarily. Do you want to build out out of Lego as the build out out of Lego as the build out out of Lego as the explanation? explanation? explanation? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> But I will tell you the explanation. All >> But I will tell you the explanation. All >> But I will tell you the explanation. All right. So, yeah. How long do we have? Um right. So, yeah. How long do we have? Um right. So, yeah. How long do we have? Um the the the touring test, touring test, touring test, >> not purring test, but the Turing test is >> not purring test, but the Turing test is >> not purring test, but the Turing test is from from the famous mathematician. from from the famous mathematician. from from the famous mathematician. >> Um and this actually originally it was a >> Um and this actually originally it was a >> Um and this actually originally it was a test of gender. It was a It was um can test of gender. It was a It was um can test of gender. It was a It was um can you actually fool uh an audience into you actually fool uh an audience into you actually fool uh an audience into thinking that you're a different gender? thinking that you're a different gender? thinking that you're a different gender? And then it came to be used. Yeah. That And then it came to be used. Yeah. That And then it came to be used. Yeah. That the the original version of the touring the the original version of the touring the the original version of the touring test was actually based on a party game test was actually based on a party game test was actually based on a party game about guessing gender, which is super about guessing gender, which is super about guessing gender, which is super interesting if you think about the kind interesting if you think about the kind interesting if you think about the kind of cultural politics of computers and of cultural politics of computers and of cultural politics of computers and but now it's it in in its most common but now it's it in in its most common but now it's it in in its most common usage, it's about trying to guess which usage, it's about trying to guess which usage, it's about trying to guess which of these is a computer and which is a of these is a computer and which is a of these is a computer and which is a human. And so before the advent of human. And so before the advent of human. And so before the advent of modern large language model AI, um this modern large language model AI, um this modern large language model AI, um this was actually a big challenge and you was actually a big challenge and you was actually a big challenge and you could basically and the original game could basically and the original game could basically and the original game was slipping notes under a door and in was slipping notes under a door and in was slipping notes under a door and in this case it's typing text to a this case it's typing text to a this case it's typing text to a computer. Um so the the turning test for computer. Um so the the turning test for computer. Um so the the turning test for many years was like an AI test. I think many years was like an AI test. I think many years was like an AI test. I think MIT used to run um versions of it where MIT used to run um versions of it where MIT used to run um versions of it where you people would try and guess okay you people would try and guess okay you people would try and guess okay which of these two people is a computer which of these two people is a computer which of these two people is a computer versus versus versus >> Yeah, exactly. There's a there's a great >> Yeah, exactly. There's a there's a great >> Yeah, exactly. There's a there's a great book called The Most Human Human by book called The Most Human Human by book called The Most Human Human by Brian Christian where he enters the Brian Christian where he enters the Brian Christian where he enters the competition um with the goal of being so competition um with the goal of being so competition um with the goal of being so so in in the test you're you're typing so in in the test you're you're typing so in in the test you're you're typing with someone, right?

with someone, right? with someone, right? >> And and the goal of the AI the >> And and the goal of the AI the >> And and the goal of the AI the programmers was try to get your your programmers was try to get your your programmers was try to get your your chatbot to be passed off as you know chatbot to be passed off as you know chatbot to be passed off as you know people to think it's human. He entered people to think it's human. He entered people to think it's human. He entered as a human and like wanted the most as a human and like wanted the most as a human and like wanted the most people to think that he's human. So So people to think that he's human. So So people to think that he's human. So So it's all about like sort of figuring out it's all about like sort of figuring out it's all about like sort of figuring out like what are the signifiers of human like what are the signifiers of human like what are the signifiers of human being. Now, this is already like 10 being. Now, this is already like 10 being. Now, this is already like 10 epochs ago in terms of where AI is now. epochs ago in terms of where AI is now. epochs ago in terms of where AI is now. >> Where AI is now, right? Okay. Which >> Where AI is now, right? Okay. Which >> Where AI is now, right? Okay. Which brings us to the purring test. brings us to the purring test. brings us to the purring test. >> The purring test, right? So, this is a >> The purring test, right? So, this is a >> The purring test, right? So, this is a game uh obviously playing off of that. game uh obviously playing off of that. game uh obviously playing off of that. Um, every level has a cat and there's Um, every level has a cat and there's Um, every level has a cat and there's Professor Purring as your guide. So, Professor Purring as your guide. So, Professor Purring as your guide. So, he's thinking of a food. We have to he's thinking of a food. We have to he's thinking of a food. We have to figure out what that food is. And there figure out what that food is. And there figure out what that food is. And there are three there are three clues. So, we are three there are three clues. So, we are three there are three clues. So, we can and we'll go in order. Write some can and we'll go in order. Write some can and we'll go in order. Write some title ideas for a TED talk given by this title ideas for a TED talk given by this title ideas for a TED talk given by this food. food. food. >> Okay. Iron Will, how I became a >> Okay. Iron Will, how I became a >> Okay. Iron Will, how I became a superfood. again. Um, please type your superfood. again. Um, please type your superfood. again. Um, please type your guesses in the comments. guesses in the comments. guesses in the comments. >> Confessions of a former salad bar star >> Confessions of a former salad bar star >> Confessions of a former salad bar star >> and resilience. >> and resilience. >> and resilience. >> Resilience is green. Okay. So, we're >> Resilience is green. Okay. So, we're >> Resilience is green. Okay. So, we're we're definitely talking about a salad we're definitely talking about a salad we're definitely talking about a salad element. element. element. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. It could be kale. Kale, broccoli, >> Right. It could be kale. Kale, broccoli, >> Right. It could be kale. Kale, broccoli, uh, uh, uh, >> spinach because of the iron. Should we >> spinach because of the iron. Should we >> spinach because of the iron. Should we take another another clue or you want to take another another clue or you want to take another another clue or you want to guess?

guess? guess? >> Let's take another clue so that I think >> Let's take another clue so that I think >> Let's take another clue so that I think that the audience can join us on this that the audience can join us on this that the audience can join us on this adventure. adventure. adventure. >> Confidence. That looks like spinach to >> Confidence. That looks like spinach to >> Confidence. That looks like spinach to me. me. me. >> That looks like spinach to me. >> That looks like spinach to me. >> That looks like spinach to me. >> Okay. To see the food as a cat. >> Okay. To see the food as a cat. >> Okay. To see the food as a cat. >> Yeah. Of course, we have to see that. >> Yeah. Of course, we have to see that. >> Yeah. Of course, we have to see that. >> That's spinach. It's just weird. >> That's spinach. It's just weird. >> That's spinach. It's just weird. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um >> Um >> Um creepy cat. creepy cat. creepy cat. >> Oh, wait. We did it. Yeah. Nice. Yes. >> Oh, wait. We did it. Yeah. Nice. Yes. >> Oh, wait. We did it. Yeah. Nice. Yes. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. >> So, there three three levels every day. >> So, there three three levels every day. >> So, there three three levels every day. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Increasing difficulty. I'm thinking of a >> Increasing difficulty. I'm thinking of a >> Increasing difficulty. I'm thinking of a thing. thing. thing. >> A thing. Okay. I like how that's a >> A thing. Okay. I like how that's a >> A thing. Okay. I like how that's a little more ambiguous than food. little more ambiguous than food. little more ambiguous than food. >> I'm writing a dating profile for this. >> I'm writing a dating profile for this. >> I'm writing a dating profile for this. Okay. This thing. Um Okay. Do you want Okay. This thing. Um Okay. Do you want Okay. This thing. Um Okay. Do you want to do a dramatic reading of the dating to do a dramatic reading of the dating to do a dramatic reading of the dating profile? Okay. I've been standing in the profile? Okay. I've been standing in the profile? Okay. I've been standing in the same place for what feels like forever. same place for what feels like forever. same place for what feels like forever. And I've learned that patience brings And I've learned that patience brings And I've learned that patience brings the best light. I thrive outdoors, the best light. I thrive outdoors, the best light. I thrive outdoors, basking in warm days and clear skies. basking in warm days and clear skies. basking in warm days and clear skies. I appreciate a good sense of direction I appreciate a good sense of direction I appreciate a good sense of direction and people who know how to cast a little and people who know how to cast a little and people who know how to cast a little light on life's mysteries. light on life's mysteries. light on life's mysteries. >> Beautifully delivered. >> Beautifully delivered. >> Beautifully delivered. >> So, we're we're talking about something >> So, we're we're talking about something >> So, we're we're talking about something that involves light. Could be a that involves light. Could be a that involves light. Could be a flashlight, a lamp standing in the same flashlight, a lamp standing in the same flashlight, a lamp standing in the same >> in the same like I mean it could be like >> in the same like I mean it could be like >> in the same like I mean it could be like a like a street light or something.

a like a street light or something. a like a street light or something. >> Street light. >> Street light. >> Street light. >> I'm also thinking of some of our Lego >> I'm also thinking of some of our Lego >> I'm also thinking of some of our Lego Lego models that we made are sticking. Lego models that we made are sticking. Lego models that we made are sticking. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm going to I'm keep >> Yeah. Okay. I'm going to I'm keep >> Yeah. Okay. I'm going to I'm keep >> a culinary dish. >> a culinary dish. >> a culinary dish. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh >> I would not I would not want to sit on >> I would not I would not want to sit on >> I would not I would not want to sit on that. Oh, that. Oh, that. Oh, >> I think it's a sund dial. >> I think it's a sund dial. >> I think it's a sund dial. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> why would you sit on the culinary dish? >> why would you sit on the culinary dish? >> why would you sit on the culinary dish? >> Well, I because it looks because it >> Well, I because it looks because it >> Well, I because it looks because it would poke you and that would be funny. would poke you and that would be funny. would poke you and that would be funny. >> Um hold on that. I'm just wanna I want >> Um hold on that. I'm just wanna I want >> Um hold on that. I'm just wanna I want to double check the now. I'm I'm trying to double check the now. I'm I'm trying to double check the now. I'm I'm trying to play your game. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. to play your game. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. to play your game. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Rushing me through the Sorry. Sorry. Rushing me through the Sorry. Sorry. Rushing me through the process. I'm trying to like I mean this process. I'm trying to like I mean this process. I'm trying to like I mean this is what's interesting about this game is is what's interesting about this game is is what's interesting about this game is that it's this it's this sort of that it's this it's this sort of that it's this it's this sort of cognitive you know doing like trying to cognitive you know doing like trying to cognitive you know doing like trying to connect this sort of syncopated connect this sort of syncopated connect this sort of syncopated >> versions of this. >> versions of this. >> versions of this. >> Exactly. It's it's bringing the two >> Exactly. It's it's bringing the two >> Exactly. It's it's bringing the two minds together. minds together. minds together. >> Different prompt different different >> Different prompt different different >> Different prompt different different outcome. Um outcome. Um outcome. Um >> now I'm between two things. I again I >> now I'm between two things. I again I >> now I'm between two things. I again I don't know the answer to these. don't know the answer to these. don't know the answer to these. >> Yeah. I I it could be I think I think >> Yeah. I I it could be I think I think >> Yeah. I I it could be I think I think we're leaning toward compass. we're leaning toward compass. we're leaning toward compass. >> I could also see compass. >> I could also see compass. >> I could also see compass. >> Let's look at the cat. Yeah, let's look >> Let's look at the cat. Yeah, let's look >> Let's look at the cat. Yeah, let's look at the cat. at the cat. at the cat. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Sundial. >> Sundial. >> Sundial. >> Sundial. >> Sundial. >> Sundial. >> Is that that that's one word or two >> Is that that that's one word or two >> Is that that that's one word or two words?

words? words? >> The game will accept either, but it's >> The game will accept either, but it's >> The game will accept either, but it's one. one. one. >> Okay. Very nice. >> Okay. Very nice. >> Okay. Very nice. >> Okay, cool. Um, this has been so much >> Okay, cool. Um, this has been so much >> Okay, cool. Um, this has been so much fun. Thank you for coming and play. I fun. Thank you for coming and play. I fun. Thank you for coming and play. I wish we could play all day. wish we could play all day. wish we could play all day. >> No, I wanted to stop earlier, but now I >> No, I wanted to stop earlier, but now I >> No, I wanted to stop earlier, but now I want to continue. want to continue. want to continue. >> You wanted to stop earlier. >> You wanted to stop earlier. >> You wanted to stop earlier. >> It's called Lutus Interruptus. I'm like >> It's called Lutus Interruptus. I'm like >> It's called Lutus Interruptus. I'm like I'm not sorry. It's about the suspended I'm not sorry. It's about the suspended I'm not sorry. It's about the suspended cord. Um, but uh, so congratulations cord. Um, but uh, so congratulations cord. Um, but uh, so congratulations again on your TED talk. again on your TED talk. again on your TED talk. >> Please collect your pony at the door. >> Please collect your pony at the door. >> Please collect your pony at the door. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And uh, >> And uh, >> And uh, >> our pony. Sorry. Sorry. >> our pony. Sorry. Sorry. >> our pony. Sorry. Sorry. >> I'm such a I got to take responsibility >> I'm such a I got to take responsibility >> I'm such a I got to take responsibility as a parent. Coarent. Yeah. And as a parent. Coarent. Yeah. And as a parent. Coarent. Yeah. And >> I look forward to to reaching in those >> I look forward to to reaching in those >> I look forward to to reaching in those deep pony pockets deep pony pockets deep pony pockets of 10. of 10. of 10. >> You heard it here first, folks. >> You heard it here first, folks. >> You heard it here first, folks. >> All right, Alex. This was so much fun. >> All right, Alex. This was so much fun. >> All right, Alex. This was so much fun. Thanks, Eric. Thanks, Eric. Thanks, Eric. >> Thank you so much. All right. Um, hello everyone. Good All right. Um, hello everyone. Good things come in threes and we are here at things come in threes and we are here at things come in threes and we are here at our third and final session. Play is an our third and final session. Play is an our third and final session. Play is an adventure. In our last session, we adventure. In our last session, we adventure. In our last session, we traveled from the bright lights of the traveled from the bright lights of the traveled from the bright lights of the London stage to the world of sneakers London stage to the world of sneakers London stage to the world of sneakers and then the philosophy behind gameplay.

and then the philosophy behind gameplay. and then the philosophy behind gameplay. And now somehow we have yet another And now somehow we have yet another And now somehow we have yet another incredible adventure planned. I I incredible adventure planned. I I incredible adventure planned. I I genuinely feel like I have experienced genuinely feel like I have experienced genuinely feel like I have experienced more mind-blowing moments in the past more mind-blowing moments in the past more mind-blowing moments in the past few hours than I normally would few hours than I normally would few hours than I normally would experience in a decade. And somehow experience in a decade. And somehow experience in a decade. And somehow there are still more to come. We have a there are still more to come. We have a there are still more to come. We have a session chock full of them. Um, also session chock full of them. Um, also session chock full of them. Um, also before I introduce our our next speaker, before I introduce our our next speaker, before I introduce our our next speaker, I just want to give a really big thank I just want to give a really big thank I just want to give a really big thank you to the staff and the crew who are you to the staff and the crew who are you to the staff and the crew who are making today happen. Um, incredible. Uh Uh I was I was talking with some of the I was I was talking with some of the I was I was talking with some of the crew members at at at lunch and and crew members at at at lunch and and crew members at at at lunch and and something they said stuck with me that I something they said stuck with me that I something they said stuck with me that I just wanted to share which is they I was just wanted to share which is they I was just wanted to share which is they I was saying, "Oh, this is such a fun saying, "Oh, this is such a fun saying, "Oh, this is such a fun interesting event and they were like, interesting event and they were like, interesting event and they were like, "Yeah, and everyone is so nice and kind "Yeah, and everyone is so nice and kind "Yeah, and everyone is so nice and kind and to be at an event where people are and to be at an event where people are and to be at an event where people are able to put things on at such a huge able to put things on at such a huge able to put things on at such a huge professional level and also treat people professional level and also treat people professional level and also treat people with so much uh respect and care, I with so much uh respect and care, I with so much uh respect and care, I think, is really exceptional. It think, is really exceptional. It think, is really exceptional. It shouldn't be, but it it truly is." Um, shouldn't be, but it it truly is." Um, shouldn't be, but it it truly is." Um, okay. Who here met Popbot during one of okay. Who here met Popbot during one of okay. Who here met Popbot during one of the breaks? Okay, several people have the breaks? Okay, several people have the breaks? Okay, several people have met our robot friend. Um, well, we're met our robot friend. Um, well, we're met our robot friend. Um, well, we're gonna learn about Popbot's backstory gonna learn about Popbot's backstory gonna learn about Popbot's backstory right now. Our first speaker of the right now. Our first speaker of the right now. Our first speaker of the session is an artificial intelligence session is an artificial intelligence session is an artificial intelligence researcher who worked at MIT's Media Lab researcher who worked at MIT's Media Lab researcher who worked at MIT's Media Lab and as a professor at Carnegie Melon and as a professor at Carnegie Melon and as a professor at Carnegie Melon University's Human Computer Interaction University's Human Computer Interaction University's Human Computer Interaction Institute. Please welcome to the TED Institute. Please welcome to the TED Institute. Please welcome to the TED stage the phenomenal Dr. Randy Williams.

In the 1940s, the radio was a In the 1940s, the radio was a transformative technology, transformative technology, transformative technology, but it wasn't an immediate hit. That's but it wasn't an immediate hit. That's but it wasn't an immediate hit. That's because the radios of the early 1900s because the radios of the early 1900s because the radios of the early 1900s looked like this. unwieldy contraptions looked like this. unwieldy contraptions looked like this. unwieldy contraptions of exposed wires and glowing vacuum of exposed wires and glowing vacuum of exposed wires and glowing vacuum tubes like a science fair project gone tubes like a science fair project gone tubes like a science fair project gone wrong. And it wasn't until 1929 when wrong. And it wasn't until 1929 when wrong. And it wasn't until 1929 when radio started to look like this with its radio started to look like this with its radio started to look like this with its sleek bake light, that's a kind of sleek bake light, that's a kind of sleek bake light, that's a kind of plastic shell, that they became insanely plastic shell, that they became insanely plastic shell, that they became insanely popular, but at a critical cost, popular, but at a critical cost, popular, but at a critical cost, transparency. transparency. transparency. What happens when technology becomes a What happens when technology becomes a What happens when technology becomes a black box and we stop being able to see black box and we stop being able to see black box and we stop being able to see what's going on inside? what's going on inside? what's going on inside? Fast forward 100 years. Today, the Fast forward 100 years. Today, the Fast forward 100 years. Today, the sci-fi artificial intelligence devices sci-fi artificial intelligence devices sci-fi artificial intelligence devices of our dreams have been woven into the of our dreams have been woven into the of our dreams have been woven into the very fabric of modern life. But like the very fabric of modern life. But like the very fabric of modern life. But like the radio, these systems are bake lighted. radio, these systems are bake lighted. radio, these systems are bake lighted. We've hidden the machine behind We've hidden the machine behind We've hidden the machine behind frictionless interfaces, beneath frictionless interfaces, beneath frictionless interfaces, beneath friendly voices, friendly voices, friendly voices, and inside children's toys.

and inside children's toys. and inside children's toys. Over the past decade, I've had a lot of Over the past decade, I've had a lot of Over the past decade, I've had a lot of conversations with kids about AI as an conversations with kids about AI as an conversations with kids about AI as an MIT researcher and founding member of MIT researcher and founding member of MIT researcher and founding member of Day of AI, a nonprofit creating Day of AI, a nonprofit creating Day of AI, a nonprofit creating opportunities for millions of children opportunities for millions of children opportunities for millions of children around the world to learn about how AI around the world to learn about how AI around the world to learn about how AI works. And here's what I've been seeing. works. And here's what I've been seeing. works. And here's what I've been seeing. These devices mimic intelligence and These devices mimic intelligence and These devices mimic intelligence and friendliness so well that children learn friendliness so well that children learn friendliness so well that children learn to trust them sometimes more than they to trust them sometimes more than they to trust them sometimes more than they trust themselves. trust themselves. trust themselves. And there is real danger of children And there is real danger of children And there is real danger of children becoming overly reliant on or becoming overly reliant on or becoming overly reliant on or inappropriately attached to their smart inappropriately attached to their smart inappropriately attached to their smart toys. That said, with some intentional toys. That said, with some intentional toys. That said, with some intentional choices on the parts of adults, we can choices on the parts of adults, we can choices on the parts of adults, we can help children see the technology for help children see the technology for help children see the technology for what it really is. objects that they can what it really is. objects that they can what it really is. objects that they can play with or even program rather than play with or even program rather than play with or even program rather than entities that they should look to for entities that they should look to for entities that they should look to for all the answers. all the answers. all the answers. My journey exploring kids and their My journey exploring kids and their My journey exploring kids and their relationships with AI began early in my relationships with AI began early in my relationships with AI began early in my days at MIT working on this fluffy, days at MIT working on this fluffy, days at MIT working on this fluffy, adorable social robot, Tega.

adorable social robot, Tega. adorable social robot, Tega. So, Tega being a social robot means that So, Tega being a social robot means that So, Tega being a social robot means that its goal is to help people with their its goal is to help people with their its goal is to help people with their goals. Social robots are used throughout goals. Social robots are used throughout goals. Social robots are used throughout healthcare, customer service, and healthcare, customer service, and healthcare, customer service, and education. In Tega's case, we were education. In Tega's case, we were education. In Tega's case, we were building it to see if a robot could help building it to see if a robot could help building it to see if a robot could help young children as they were learning how young children as they were learning how young children as they were learning how to read. Let me show you a quick clip of to read. Let me show you a quick clip of to read. Let me show you a quick clip of Tega in action. >> I'm lavender. >> I'm lavender. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> what are we trying to find? >> what are we trying to find? >> what are we trying to find? >> We are trying to find lavender color >> We are trying to find lavender color >> We are trying to find lavender color stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> The word was lavender. >> The word was lavender. >> The word was lavender. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. What is lavender though? >> Lavender is purple. >> Lavender is purple. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, just like my friend loves lavender. >> So, as you saw, it's Tega's job to keep >> So, as you saw, it's Tega's job to keep the child engaged in the story. Tega the child engaged in the story. Tega the child engaged in the story. Tega will ask questions, add funny will ask questions, add funny will ask questions, add funny commentary, and of course weave in that commentary, and of course weave in that commentary, and of course weave in that target vocabulary for the week. And it target vocabulary for the week. And it target vocabulary for the week. And it was my job to introduce Tega and get was my job to introduce Tega and get was my job to introduce Tega and get children oriented to how to use it. So children oriented to how to use it. So children oriented to how to use it. So one day I come into the study room and I one day I come into the study room and I one day I come into the study room and I say, "Hi, my name is Randy. This is say, "Hi, my name is Randy. This is say, "Hi, my name is Randy. This is Tega. You're going to read some stories Tega. You're going to read some stories Tega. You're going to read some stories with Tega today. Let me show you how it with Tega today. Let me show you how it with Tega today. Let me show you how it works." And the girl I was working with, works." And the girl I was working with, works." And the girl I was working with, a kindergarter, stops me. No thanks, she a kindergarter, stops me. No thanks, she a kindergarter, stops me. No thanks, she says.

says. says. I know all about robots. I have an Alexa I know all about robots. I have an Alexa I know all about robots. I have an Alexa at home and she's my best friend. Watch at home and she's my best friend. Watch at home and she's my best friend. Watch this. And then she proceeded to show me this. And then she proceeded to show me this. And then she proceeded to show me how my robot worked. how my robot worked. how my robot worked. What do we make of a response like that? What do we make of a response like that? What do we make of a response like that? Well, first I thought it was kind of Well, first I thought it was kind of Well, first I thought it was kind of impressive that this girl who again was impressive that this girl who again was impressive that this girl who again was learning how to read could effortlessly learning how to read could effortlessly learning how to read could effortlessly navigate the internet thanks to voice navigate the internet thanks to voice navigate the internet thanks to voice technology. And for context, I had to technology. And for context, I had to technology. And for context, I had to know how to read, write, and type before know how to read, write, and type before know how to read, write, and type before I could ask Jesus a question. But for I could ask Jesus a question. But for I could ask Jesus a question. But for her, not so much. her, not so much. her, not so much. But secondly, I was a little bit But secondly, I was a little bit But secondly, I was a little bit disappointed that this girl didn't think disappointed that this girl didn't think disappointed that this girl didn't think that my super cool robot was so super that my super cool robot was so super that my super cool robot was so super cool. And when I took a step back, I cool. And when I took a step back, I cool. And when I took a step back, I realized it wasn't just her. We are realized it wasn't just her. We are realized it wasn't just her. We are raising a generation of children who are raising a generation of children who are raising a generation of children who are growing up with AI and smart toys. And growing up with AI and smart toys. And growing up with AI and smart toys. And they tend to see these devices not as they tend to see these devices not as they tend to see these devices not as virtual assistants or technology, but as virtual assistants or technology, but as virtual assistants or technology, but as friends, distinct beings with a mind, a friends, distinct beings with a mind, a friends, distinct beings with a mind, a will, and a soul. And that made me will, and a soul. And that made me will, and a soul. And that made me really curious about what children make really curious about what children make really curious about what children make of this technology. How much do they of this technology. How much do they of this technology. How much do they understand about what's going on? So to understand about what's going on? So to understand about what's going on? So to investigate that question, I ran a study investigate that question, I ran a study investigate that question, I ran a study and I had 30 children between the ages and I had 30 children between the ages and I had 30 children between the ages of three and 11 come together to of three and 11 come together to of three and 11 come together to interact with a whole bunch of different interact with a whole bunch of different interact with a whole bunch of different smart toys all at once. We had toy smart toys all at once. We had toy smart toys all at once. We had toy robots, talking dolls, textbased chat robots, talking dolls, textbased chat robots, talking dolls, textbased chat bots, and of course, plenty of virtual bots, and of course, plenty of virtual bots, and of course, plenty of virtual assistants like Alexa and Google Home.

assistants like Alexa and Google Home. assistants like Alexa and Google Home. One of the girls in the study, her One of the girls in the study, her One of the girls in the study, her favorite animal, they were slots. She favorite animal, they were slots. She favorite animal, they were slots. She loved slots. She'd been telling us all loved slots. She'd been telling us all loved slots. She'd been telling us all day how much she loves sloths. And so day how much she loves sloths. And so day how much she loves sloths. And so naturally, when she got hold of an naturally, when she got hold of an naturally, when she got hold of an Alexa, she wanted to learn more about Alexa, she wanted to learn more about Alexa, she wanted to learn more about slots from Alexa. So she picks up Alexa slots from Alexa. So she picks up Alexa slots from Alexa. So she picks up Alexa and says, "Alexa, what do sloths eat?" and says, "Alexa, what do sloths eat?" and says, "Alexa, what do sloths eat?" And then Alexa very helpfully replied, And then Alexa very helpfully replied, And then Alexa very helpfully replied, "I'm sorry. I don't know how to help you "I'm sorry. I don't know how to help you "I'm sorry. I don't know how to help you with that." with that." with that." The girl looked disappointed for a The girl looked disappointed for a The girl looked disappointed for a second and then all of a sudden perked second and then all of a sudden perked second and then all of a sudden perked right back up. "Oh, I know," she says. right back up. "Oh, I know," she says. right back up. "Oh, I know," she says. And she picked up a second Alexa. "I'll And she picked up a second Alexa. "I'll And she picked up a second Alexa. "I'll see if this one knows." see if this one knows." see if this one knows." The limitations of AI are not only The limitations of AI are not only The limitations of AI are not only frustrating and confusing for children, frustrating and confusing for children, frustrating and confusing for children, but research in child robot interaction but research in child robot interaction but research in child robot interaction shows that it can make them vulnerable shows that it can make them vulnerable shows that it can make them vulnerable to even more serious risks like to even more serious risks like to even more serious risks like manipulation or accidental exposure to manipulation or accidental exposure to manipulation or accidental exposure to inappropriate content or security inappropriate content or security inappropriate content or security breaches. breaches. breaches. And for me personally, even the devices And for me personally, even the devices And for me personally, even the devices that are marketed as educational or that are marketed as educational or that are marketed as educational or screenfree screenfree screenfree are still corrupt because they're are still corrupt because they're are still corrupt because they're consumer products. And they seem to be consumer products. And they seem to be consumer products. And they seem to be designed as something that can be designed as something that can be designed as something that can be endlessly engaging or addictive. They endlessly engaging or addictive. They endlessly engaging or addictive. They want to become your child's best friend want to become your child's best friend want to become your child's best friend and gain their trust so that they can and gain their trust so that they can and gain their trust so that they can advertise to them or better yet sell advertise to them or better yet sell advertise to them or better yet sell that trust back to you for $20 a month.

that trust back to you for $20 a month. that trust back to you for $20 a month. The bottom line is that smart toys open The bottom line is that smart toys open The bottom line is that smart toys open a digital door into children's playtime, a digital door into children's playtime, a digital door into children's playtime, bedroom, and hearts. And if you're bedroom, and hearts. And if you're bedroom, and hearts. And if you're thinking about opening that door, my thinking about opening that door, my thinking about opening that door, my advice to you would be to take a very advice to you would be to take a very advice to you would be to take a very careful look at what's on the other careful look at what's on the other careful look at what's on the other side. side. side. The good news is that we can mitigate The good news is that we can mitigate The good news is that we can mitigate the risks of AI to children by leaning the risks of AI to children by leaning the risks of AI to children by leaning into something they already do. Kids are into something they already do. Kids are into something they already do. Kids are natural reverse engineers. Over and over natural reverse engineers. Over and over natural reverse engineers. Over and over again, I've watched children playing again, I've watched children playing again, I've watched children playing with AI devices, trying to break it, with AI devices, trying to break it, with AI devices, trying to break it, just asking seemingly absurd questions just asking seemingly absurd questions just asking seemingly absurd questions like, "Alexa, how old are you?" Or, like, "Alexa, how old are you?" Or, like, "Alexa, how old are you?" Or, "Cosmo, which is a toy robot car, can "Cosmo, which is a toy robot car, can "Cosmo, which is a toy robot car, can you jump?" Or, "Hey Google, is it okay you jump?" Or, "Hey Google, is it okay you jump?" Or, "Hey Google, is it okay if I eat you?" if I eat you?" if I eat you?" And these questions, while silly, also And these questions, while silly, also And these questions, while silly, also are an example of children probing the are an example of children probing the are an example of children probing the machine about its very nature. plays machine about its very nature. plays machine about its very nature. plays inherent to how children understand the inherent to how children understand the inherent to how children understand the world, which means that maybe we can use world, which means that maybe we can use world, which means that maybe we can use it to help them understand what's it to help them understand what's it to help them understand what's happening with the technologies they're happening with the technologies they're happening with the technologies they're interacting with. What if children could interacting with. What if children could interacting with. What if children could take apart and reconstruct their smart take apart and reconstruct their smart take apart and reconstruct their smart toys the same ways that they take apart toys the same ways that they take apart toys the same ways that they take apart and reconstruct physical blocks? That and reconstruct physical blocks? That and reconstruct physical blocks? That was the idea behind another social robot was the idea behind another social robot was the idea behind another social robot that I worked on, Popot.

that I worked on, Popot. that I worked on, Popot. As you can see, Popot's body is made As you can see, Popot's body is made As you can see, Popot's body is made completely out of Lego bricks. And it's completely out of Lego bricks. And it's completely out of Lego bricks. And it's kind of like a typical smart toy, except kind of like a typical smart toy, except kind of like a typical smart toy, except I built it to make the most complex I built it to make the most complex I built it to make the most complex ideas of modern AI, logical reasoning, ideas of modern AI, logical reasoning, ideas of modern AI, logical reasoning, machine learning, generative AI, easy to machine learning, generative AI, easy to machine learning, generative AI, easy to understand through hands-on, understand through hands-on, understand through hands-on, child-driven play. child-driven play. child-driven play. The idea was if a four-year-old could The idea was if a four-year-old could The idea was if a four-year-old could understand AI, then anyone can. understand AI, then anyone can. understand AI, then anyone can. So, for example, to learn about machine So, for example, to learn about machine So, for example, to learn about machine learning, what children would do is they learning, what children would do is they learning, what children would do is they would play rock paper scissors against would play rock paper scissors against would play rock paper scissors against the robot. Let me show you a quick clip the robot. Let me show you a quick clip the robot. Let me show you a quick clip of what that looks like with pop bots. the beauties of a real life classroom the beauties of a real life classroom study. study. study. So before children could start playing So before children could start playing So before children could start playing against their potbot, first they had to against their potbot, first they had to against their potbot, first they had to teach their popot the rules of rock teach their popot the rules of rock teach their popot the rules of rock paper scissors. And then as they played paper scissors. And then as they played paper scissors. And then as they played the game rounds like that over and over the game rounds like that over and over the game rounds like that over and over again, what Popout would try to do is again, what Popout would try to do is again, what Popout would try to do is pick up on their pattern so that it pick up on their pattern so that it pick up on their pattern so that it could predict what move it could play to could predict what move it could play to could predict what move it could play to beat them. And if you're between the beat them. And if you're between the beat them. And if you're between the ages of four and six, pretty soon it ages of four and six, pretty soon it ages of four and six, pretty soon it gets hard, if not impossible, to beat gets hard, if not impossible, to beat gets hard, if not impossible, to beat your pop bot. There was one boy who was your pop bot. There was one boy who was your pop bot. There was one boy who was very frustrated by this. And so I very frustrated by this. And so I very frustrated by this. And so I planted a mischievous idea in his head.

planted a mischievous idea in his head. planted a mischievous idea in his head. I said, "Well, what if you taught your I said, "Well, what if you taught your I said, "Well, what if you taught your pop bot the wrong rules of rock, paper, pop bot the wrong rules of rock, paper, pop bot the wrong rules of rock, paper, scissors? That way, as you played it, scissors? That way, as you played it, scissors? That way, as you played it, you would win every single time. you would win every single time. you would win every single time. And he really liked that idea. And he really liked that idea. And he really liked that idea. Our little act of AI sabotage created a Our little act of AI sabotage created a Our little act of AI sabotage created a unique opportunity to talk about who unique opportunity to talk about who unique opportunity to talk about who teaches AI the rules. Well, people do. teaches AI the rules. Well, people do. teaches AI the rules. Well, people do. And so I asked them, well, if you can And so I asked them, well, if you can And so I asked them, well, if you can teach your popot the wrong rules of teach your popot the wrong rules of teach your popot the wrong rules of rock, paper, scissors, how do you know rock, paper, scissors, how do you know rock, paper, scissors, how do you know Alexa was taught the right ones? Alexa was taught the right ones? Alexa was taught the right ones? which led to a very insightful which led to a very insightful which led to a very insightful conversation where he discussed how much conversation where he discussed how much conversation where he discussed how much we can trust AI and the importance of we can trust AI and the importance of we can trust AI and the importance of verifying what it says with an adult's verifying what it says with an adult's verifying what it says with an adult's help just to make sure that Alexa has help just to make sure that Alexa has help just to make sure that Alexa has been taught all the right rules. been taught all the right rules. been taught all the right rules. The big idea that I want children to The big idea that I want children to The big idea that I want children to understand is that AI is not magic. It's understand is that AI is not magic. It's understand is that AI is not magic. It's a set of rules written by people. And a set of rules written by people. And a set of rules written by people. And it's up to us, those of us who have been it's up to us, those of us who have been it's up to us, those of us who have been around for a bit longer, to make sure around for a bit longer, to make sure around for a bit longer, to make sure that children aren't being programmed by that children aren't being programmed by that children aren't being programmed by their toys, but rather things work the their toys, but rather things work the their toys, but rather things work the other way around. We need to raise a other way around. We need to raise a other way around. We need to raise a generation of children who know that generation of children who know that generation of children who know that they are the ones who get to write and they are the ones who get to write and they are the ones who get to write and even rewrite the rules of AI.

even rewrite the rules of AI. even rewrite the rules of AI. And this work, you know, starts at the And this work, you know, starts at the And this work, you know, starts at the dinner table. So, you're all sitting dinner table. So, you're all sitting dinner table. So, you're all sitting down and a question gets asked to the down and a question gets asked to the down and a question gets asked to the nearest AI chatbot or smart toy. when it nearest AI chatbot or smart toy. when it nearest AI chatbot or smart toy. when it responds rather than just accepting that responds rather than just accepting that responds rather than just accepting that answer. Wonder I wonder why it answered answer. Wonder I wonder why it answered answer. Wonder I wonder why it answered the way it did or ask aloud, do we agree the way it did or ask aloud, do we agree the way it did or ask aloud, do we agree or disagree with that answer? or disagree with that answer? or disagree with that answer? Who do we think wrote the rules to make Who do we think wrote the rules to make Who do we think wrote the rules to make it work the way that it does? And the it work the way that it does? And the it work the way that it does? And the thing is, you don't need to know the thing is, you don't need to know the thing is, you don't need to know the answers to all these questions or become answers to all these questions or become answers to all these questions or become some sort of AI expert. That's not the some sort of AI expert. That's not the some sort of AI expert. That's not the point. point. point. What children need is a model of what it What children need is a model of what it What children need is a model of what it means to be a curious user of AI. They means to be a curious user of AI. They means to be a curious user of AI. They need someone who will sit down with need someone who will sit down with need someone who will sit down with them, explore the machine, poke at its them, explore the machine, poke at its them, explore the machine, poke at its limits, challenge its responses, and limits, challenge its responses, and limits, challenge its responses, and most importantly, dare to rewrite its most importantly, dare to rewrite its most importantly, dare to rewrite its rules. And I've been thinking about this rules. And I've been thinking about this rules. And I've been thinking about this a lot in the context of what's happening a lot in the context of what's happening a lot in the context of what's happening in children's toy boxes. But the bigger in children's toy boxes. But the bigger in children's toy boxes. But the bigger picture is that we should all be picture is that we should all be picture is that we should all be treating the everyday AI systems that we treating the everyday AI systems that we treating the everyday AI systems that we interact with the same way.

interact with the same way. interact with the same way. I 100% believe that we can help children I 100% believe that we can help children I 100% believe that we can help children build safer relationships with their build safer relationships with their build safer relationships with their smart toys and we all need to build smart toys and we all need to build smart toys and we all need to build better relationships between ourselves better relationships between ourselves better relationships between ourselves and the technologies we interact with and the technologies we interact with and the technologies we interact with every day. I believe in a world where no every day. I believe in a world where no every day. I believe in a world where no one is left in the dark by technology one is left in the dark by technology one is left in the dark by technology and where everyone has the inherent and where everyone has the inherent and where everyone has the inherent right to play a part in shaping the right to play a part in shaping the right to play a part in shaping the systems that shape our lives. Thank you. Amy, Amy, >> how's it going? >> how's it going? >> how's it going? >> Fantastic talk. Um, I'd love to ask you >> Fantastic talk. Um, I'd love to ask you >> Fantastic talk. Um, I'd love to ask you just uh one question here, which is um just uh one question here, which is um just uh one question here, which is um before I was a parent, I had some very u before I was a parent, I had some very u before I was a parent, I had some very u black and white thinking around like black and white thinking around like black and white thinking around like screens. I I had this pristine vision of screens. I I had this pristine vision of screens. I I had this pristine vision of I would never use screens with my child I would never use screens with my child I would never use screens with my child at all. And then, as I think many at all. And then, as I think many at all. And then, as I think many parents have experienced, that crashed parents have experienced, that crashed parents have experienced, that crashed into the reality of needing to put into the reality of needing to put into the reality of needing to put sunscreen on him or needing to clip his sunscreen on him or needing to clip his sunscreen on him or needing to clip his nails. Um, I I'm wondering AI as a a new nails. Um, I I'm wondering AI as a a new nails. Um, I I'm wondering AI as a a new technology and these smart toys, how do technology and these smart toys, how do technology and these smart toys, how do you see parents balancing the, you know, you see parents balancing the, you know, you see parents balancing the, you know, the ideals and the best case with what the ideals and the best case with what the ideals and the best case with what we want versus the like practical we want versus the like practical we want versus the like practical realities of kids being exposed to these realities of kids being exposed to these realities of kids being exposed to these things in ways that are sometimes out of things in ways that are sometimes out of things in ways that are sometimes out of our control even as a parent.

our control even as a parent. our control even as a parent. >> Yeah. No, I I really love that question. >> Yeah. No, I I really love that question. >> Yeah. No, I I really love that question. I think first because it gives so much I think first because it gives so much I think first because it gives so much grace to the fact that parenting is hard grace to the fact that parenting is hard grace to the fact that parenting is hard and there are a lot of challenges. Um, I and there are a lot of challenges. Um, I and there are a lot of challenges. Um, I think in the world of artificial think in the world of artificial think in the world of artificial intelligence, something I think a lot intelligence, something I think a lot intelligence, something I think a lot about is human wisdom, right? And we've about is human wisdom, right? And we've about is human wisdom, right? And we've actually been kind of struggling with actually been kind of struggling with actually been kind of struggling with this problem for a long time. There were this problem for a long time. There were this problem for a long time. There were books and then the radio and then TV and books and then the radio and then TV and books and then the radio and then TV and then the internet and now it's then the internet and now it's then the internet and now it's artificial intelligence. And I think the artificial intelligence. And I think the artificial intelligence. And I think the advice from then still rings true now, advice from then still rings true now, advice from then still rings true now, which is don't leave children on their which is don't leave children on their which is don't leave children on their own to figure it out. Rules are great, own to figure it out. Rules are great, own to figure it out. Rules are great, but better is to help your child learn but better is to help your child learn but better is to help your child learn how to interact with them in a way that how to interact with them in a way that how to interact with them in a way that works with your family's values and the works with your family's values and the works with your family's values and the ways that you want to engage in the ways that you want to engage in the ways that you want to engage in the world. So, if you're willing to take world. So, if you're willing to take world. So, if you're willing to take that journey with your child, I think that journey with your child, I think that journey with your child, I think that could do a lot of good. that could do a lot of good. that could do a lot of good. >> Thank you. That's a great answer. Thank >> Thank you. That's a great answer. Thank >> Thank you. That's a great answer. Thank you. Another big round of applause for you. Another big round of applause for you. Another big round of applause for Andy. Andy. Andy. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Great job. Okay, so earlier today uh we talked Okay, so earlier today uh we talked about how play at TED was shaped by about how play at TED was shaped by about how play at TED was shaped by young people from around the world young people from around the world young people from around the world through our play themed connect week.

through our play themed connect week. through our play themed connect week. And what you're about to see is what And what you're about to see is what And what you're about to see is what that looks like in action. At TED, we that looks like in action. At TED, we that looks like in action. At TED, we create pathways for young people to take create pathways for young people to take create pathways for young people to take ideas from conversation to the stage ideas from conversation to the stage ideas from conversation to the stage through our student talks program, which through our student talks program, which through our student talks program, which has reached over 2.7 million students has reached over 2.7 million students has reached over 2.7 million students globally, thanks to an incredible globally, thanks to an incredible globally, thanks to an incredible community of educators leading those community of educators leading those community of educators leading those groups, many of whom are here today. Um, groups, many of whom are here today. Um, groups, many of whom are here today. Um, big round of applausees educators who big round of applausees educators who big round of applausees educators who are here. And earlier this year, we partnered with And earlier this year, we partnered with the LEGO Group and the LEGO Foundation the LEGO Group and the LEGO Foundation the LEGO Group and the LEGO Foundation to host play themed virtual meetups, to host play themed virtual meetups, to host play themed virtual meetups, bringing together more than 300 students bringing together more than 300 students bringing together more than 300 students from over 27 countries to discuss how from over 27 countries to discuss how from over 27 countries to discuss how play has helped them build real world play has helped them build real world play has helped them build real world skills. So, let's take a look at what skills. So, let's take a look at what skills. So, let's take a look at what some of those interactive virtual calls some of those interactive virtual calls some of those interactive virtual calls look like. look like. look like. >> The message I want to share is that play >> The message I want to share is that play >> The message I want to share is that play isn't the opposite of discipline. It's isn't the opposite of discipline. It's isn't the opposite of discipline. It's how discipline becomes enjoyable. When how discipline becomes enjoyable. When how discipline becomes enjoyable. When learning feels like a game, you stop learning feels like a game, you stop learning feels like a game, you stop fearing mistakes and start improving fearing mistakes and start improving fearing mistakes and start improving faster. So when we think about learning, faster. So when we think about learning, faster. So when we think about learning, we shouldn't always ask how do I work we shouldn't always ask how do I work we shouldn't always ask how do I work harder. We should ask how do I make this harder. We should ask how do I make this harder. We should ask how do I make this more playful? more playful? more playful? >> In video games, failure feels different.

>> In video games, failure feels different. >> In video games, failure feels different. When you lose, the game simply gives you When you lose, the game simply gives you When you lose, the game simply gives you another chance and it doesn't judge you. another chance and it doesn't judge you. another chance and it doesn't judge you. It just restarts. And that's what games It just restarts. And that's what games It just restarts. And that's what games secretly teach us that failure is not secretly teach us that failure is not secretly teach us that failure is not the end. It is a part of the process. the end. It is a part of the process. the end. It is a part of the process. Play turns learning into an adventure. Play turns learning into an adventure. Play turns learning into an adventure. It shows you how to solve problems, stay It shows you how to solve problems, stay It shows you how to solve problems, stay curious, and be creative in a way curious, and be creative in a way curious, and be creative in a way worksheets or lectures could never. When worksheets or lectures could never. When worksheets or lectures could never. When you're having fun exploring freely, and you're having fun exploring freely, and you're having fun exploring freely, and not afraid to make mistakes, you not afraid to make mistakes, you not afraid to make mistakes, you discover things you didn't even know you discover things you didn't even know you discover things you didn't even know you could. Play isn't just fun. It's how we could. Play isn't just fun. It's how we could. Play isn't just fun. It's how we grow, learn, and find the confidence to grow, learn, and find the confidence to grow, learn, and find the confidence to keep trying. >> I hope you enjoyed that video. And uh >> I hope you enjoyed that video. And uh now we're going to hear from one of now we're going to hear from one of now we're going to hear from one of those youth speakers in person. She is those youth speakers in person. She is those youth speakers in person. She is currently a fifth grade student. And currently a fifth grade student. And currently a fifth grade student. And Mila is part of this global community, a Mila is part of this global community, a Mila is part of this global community, a student talks participant guided by her student talks participant guided by her student talks participant guided by her educator, Lisa Winer, who is here. Um educator, Lisa Winer, who is here. Um educator, Lisa Winer, who is here. Um and she is a part of this group of and she is a part of this group of and she is a part of this group of students who helped shape play a TED. students who helped shape play a TED. students who helped shape play a TED. This moment right now is a continuation This moment right now is a continuation This moment right now is a continuation of what we stated earlier. What happens of what we stated earlier. What happens of what we stated earlier. What happens when young people aren't just included, when young people aren't just included, when young people aren't just included, but given the platform to lead?

but given the platform to lead? but given the platform to lead? Sometimes what they say is not just for Sometimes what they say is not just for Sometimes what they say is not just for other young people, but it is for all of other young people, but it is for all of other young people, but it is for all of us, especially the grown-ups in the us, especially the grown-ups in the us, especially the grown-ups in the room. And so Mila is here to offer a room. And so Mila is here to offer a room. And so Mila is here to offer a perspective about the role that we can perspective about the role that we can perspective about the role that we can all play in these everyday moments. all play in these everyday moments. all play in these everyday moments. Please join me in welcoming Mila Rohas. A year ago, I was at a water park with A year ago, I was at a water park with my dad and we were waiting in line on a my dad and we were waiting in line on a my dad and we were waiting in line on a huge green water slide that swirled like huge green water slide that swirled like huge green water slide that swirled like soft serve ice cream. It was a hot soft serve ice cream. It was a hot soft serve ice cream. It was a hot summer day and his face was beaming. summer day and his face was beaming. summer day and his face was beaming. Even while we were waiting in the long Even while we were waiting in the long Even while we were waiting in the long lines, he kept turning everything into a lines, he kept turning everything into a lines, he kept turning everything into a game like who could slide down the game like who could slide down the game like who could slide down the fastest and we were laughing the whole fastest and we were laughing the whole fastest and we were laughing the whole time. He was relaxed and completely time. He was relaxed and completely time. He was relaxed and completely himself in that moment, just like a lot himself in that moment, just like a lot himself in that moment, just like a lot of kids are when they play. When he of kids are when they play. When he of kids are when they play. When he facetimed us from work later that week, facetimed us from work later that week, facetimed us from work later that week, I could sense that his mood was I could sense that his mood was I could sense that his mood was different. He was less happy and more different. He was less happy and more different. He was less happy and more tired. Probably like most adults at tired. Probably like most adults at tired. Probably like most adults at work. That contrast stuck with me. It work. That contrast stuck with me. It work. That contrast stuck with me. It made me realize that play isn't just a made me realize that play isn't just a made me realize that play isn't just a childish activity, but something adults childish activity, but something adults childish activity, but something adults need to do to connect more deeply to need to do to connect more deeply to need to do to connect more deeply to their families and live life more fully.

their families and live life more fully. their families and live life more fully. Adults must add more play to their daily Adults must add more play to their daily Adults must add more play to their daily lives. lives. lives. We've all felt that sense of wonder as We've all felt that sense of wonder as We've all felt that sense of wonder as kids. Finding a new playground, going to kids. Finding a new playground, going to kids. Finding a new playground, going to Disney or for Thanksgiving, making the Disney or for Thanksgiving, making the Disney or for Thanksgiving, making the big dinner with pumpkin pie and jello big dinner with pumpkin pie and jello big dinner with pumpkin pie and jello salad, and decorating the table with a salad, and decorating the table with a salad, and decorating the table with a fresh linen tablecloth, fancy plates, fresh linen tablecloth, fancy plates, fresh linen tablecloth, fancy plates, and silverware that we don't put out any and silverware that we don't put out any and silverware that we don't put out any other time of year. other time of year. other time of year. But sometimes adults forget how But sometimes adults forget how But sometimes adults forget how rewarding play is because they are too rewarding play is because they are too rewarding play is because they are too busy or feel like they have too many busy or feel like they have too many busy or feel like they have too many responsibilities. responsibilities. responsibilities. They rush to unpack. They ask us to sit They rush to unpack. They ask us to sit They rush to unpack. They ask us to sit still for pictures. They miss the magic still for pictures. They miss the magic still for pictures. They miss the magic because they're focused on planning because they're focused on planning because they're focused on planning instead of playing. I've seen this in my instead of playing. I've seen this in my instead of playing. I've seen this in my own family. One Christmas morning, I own family. One Christmas morning, I own family. One Christmas morning, I came downstairs filled with excitement. came downstairs filled with excitement. came downstairs filled with excitement. The house smelled like gingerbread The house smelled like gingerbread The house smelled like gingerbread cookies and everything felt special. But cookies and everything felt special. But cookies and everything felt special. But when I was opening presents, I was told, when I was opening presents, I was told, when I was opening presents, I was told, "Don't open the next one. Call grandma "Don't open the next one. Call grandma "Don't open the next one. Call grandma to thank her and smile for the camera." to thank her and smile for the camera." to thank her and smile for the camera." Wouldn't it be better if parents were Wouldn't it be better if parents were Wouldn't it be better if parents were fully engaged with their families?

fully engaged with their families? fully engaged with their families? present, curious, and willing to explore present, curious, and willing to explore present, curious, and willing to explore without worrying about checking without worrying about checking without worrying about checking something off a list. What if instead something off a list. What if instead something off a list. What if instead parents did all the really special parents did all the really special parents did all the really special presents in a scavenger hunt? Parents presents in a scavenger hunt? Parents presents in a scavenger hunt? Parents should enjoy play not because it's should enjoy play not because it's should enjoy play not because it's productive or efficient, but because productive or efficient, but because productive or efficient, but because it's fun. For kids, this happens it's fun. For kids, this happens it's fun. For kids, this happens naturally. When kids play, they explore naturally. When kids play, they explore naturally. When kids play, they explore without worrying about being right, without worrying about being right, without worrying about being right, imagining new games, and inventing imagining new games, and inventing imagining new games, and inventing rules. Play isn't an escape from real rules. Play isn't an escape from real rules. Play isn't an escape from real life. It's a way into it. life. It's a way into it. life. It's a way into it. Adults often tell kids to go play, but Adults often tell kids to go play, but Adults often tell kids to go play, but for adults, their own play gets buried for adults, their own play gets buried for adults, their own play gets buried under schedules, expectations, and under schedules, expectations, and under schedules, expectations, and pressure to be serious. According to the pressure to be serious. According to the pressure to be serious. According to the American Jour of Play, adults often have American Jour of Play, adults often have American Jour of Play, adults often have play guilt because their inner voice play guilt because their inner voice play guilt because their inner voice tells them that play isn't productive tells them that play isn't productive tells them that play isn't productive and that they should be doing something and that they should be doing something and that they should be doing something more beneficial. more beneficial. more beneficial. As responsibilities grow, play is often As responsibilities grow, play is often As responsibilities grow, play is often viewed as immature, unnecessary, or viewed as immature, unnecessary, or viewed as immature, unnecessary, or distraction from getting things done. distraction from getting things done. distraction from getting things done. Over time, that belief becomes Over time, that belief becomes Over time, that belief becomes automatic. Play starts to feel like a automatic. Play starts to feel like a automatic. Play starts to feel like a waste, even though it's actually one of waste, even though it's actually one of waste, even though it's actually one of the most effective ways humans learn, the most effective ways humans learn, the most effective ways humans learn, connect, and re regulate stress. UNICEF connect, and re regulate stress. UNICEF connect, and re regulate stress. UNICEF holds an international day of play to holds an international day of play to holds an international day of play to remind us of the importance of play for remind us of the importance of play for remind us of the importance of play for all ages. But it doesn't need to be so all ages. But it doesn't need to be so all ages. But it doesn't need to be so big. Adults don't need to add more big. Adults don't need to add more big. Adults don't need to add more things to their to-do list just to things to their to-do list just to things to their to-do list just to benefit from play. They just need to benefit from play. They just need to benefit from play. They just need to bring a play mindset of curiosity and bring a play mindset of curiosity and bring a play mindset of curiosity and exploration into responsibilities they

exploration into responsibilities they exploration into responsibilities they already have. Take parenting for already have. Take parenting for already have. Take parenting for example. Instead of just managing example. Instead of just managing example. Instead of just managing schedules and routines, what if parents schedules and routines, what if parents schedules and routines, what if parents modeled exploring and curiosity by modeled exploring and curiosity by modeled exploring and curiosity by racing who could pick up the most toys racing who could pick up the most toys racing who could pick up the most toys or clothes? Or while washing their car, or clothes? Or while washing their car, or clothes? Or while washing their car, starting a water fight, or after work, starting a water fight, or after work, starting a water fight, or after work, having a 30-second dance break to your having a 30-second dance break to your having a 30-second dance break to your favorite songs? What if before dinner, favorite songs? What if before dinner, favorite songs? What if before dinner, everyone looks through your pantry or everyone looks through your pantry or everyone looks through your pantry or fridge to make a work of art with fridge to make a work of art with fridge to make a work of art with anything they can find, and you serve it anything they can find, and you serve it anything they can find, and you serve it as a fun appetizer for dinner? as a fun appetizer for dinner? as a fun appetizer for dinner? What if families just take one night a What if families just take one night a What if families just take one night a week to play, relax, and have fun week to play, relax, and have fun week to play, relax, and have fun together, doing things like setting up a together, doing things like setting up a together, doing things like setting up a pickle ball court right in the middle of pickle ball court right in the middle of pickle ball court right in the middle of the living room? Tonight, ask a parent the living room? Tonight, ask a parent the living room? Tonight, ask a parent to start a themed game night. Ask to to start a themed game night. Ask to to start a themed game night. Ask to plan a family trip so that it has fun plan a family trip so that it has fun plan a family trip so that it has fun activities that both kids and parents activities that both kids and parents activities that both kids and parents will enjoy. Anything to stay connected. will enjoy. Anything to stay connected. will enjoy. Anything to stay connected. In my own family, I've seen a play can In my own family, I've seen a play can In my own family, I've seen a play can have a real impact on adults.

have a real impact on adults. have a real impact on adults. I go on walks with my dad and my little I go on walks with my dad and my little I go on walks with my dad and my little sister. We talk, laugh, and breathe for sister. We talk, laugh, and breathe for sister. We talk, laugh, and breathe for a moment instead of rushing through the a moment instead of rushing through the a moment instead of rushing through the day, giving him a chance to unwind after day, giving him a chance to unwind after day, giving him a chance to unwind after work. On Friday nights, my mom and I work. On Friday nights, my mom and I work. On Friday nights, my mom and I make pizza together. It's messy and make pizza together. It's messy and make pizza together. It's messy and creative, and it reminds her of creative, and it reminds her of creative, and it reminds her of something she loved as a kid. These something she loved as a kid. These something she loved as a kid. These moments don't take much time, but they moments don't take much time, but they moments don't take much time, but they change how we feel afterward. Connected change how we feel afterward. Connected change how we feel afterward. Connected and happier. Kids, we need to remind and happier. Kids, we need to remind and happier. Kids, we need to remind adults to play again. Parents, what did adults to play again. Parents, what did adults to play again. Parents, what did you love to do when you were 11? Playing you love to do when you were 11? Playing you love to do when you were 11? Playing doesn't have to be big or perfect. In doesn't have to be big or perfect. In doesn't have to be big or perfect. In fact, the more creative it is, the fact, the more creative it is, the fact, the more creative it is, the better. It just has to be shared because better. It just has to be shared because better. It just has to be shared because play isn't something we need to grow out play isn't something we need to grow out play isn't something we need to grow out of. It's something we need to grow with. of. It's something we need to grow with. of. It's something we need to grow with. It helps us stay curious, connected, and It helps us stay curious, connected, and It helps us stay curious, connected, and human at every age. Thank you. Mila Rojas.

Mila Rojas. Wow. >> How h how great is Mila? It's uh I you >> How h how great is Mila? It's uh I you know this is such a great example of know this is such a great example of know this is such a great example of she's so much to teach us. And also, you she's so much to teach us. And also, you she's so much to teach us. And also, you know, I was like nervous. Oh, you're a know, I was like nervous. Oh, you're a know, I was like nervous. Oh, you're a fifth grader giving a talk. Is this fifth grader giving a talk. Is this fifth grader giving a talk. Is this intimidating? Are you going to be intimidating? Are you going to be intimidating? Are you going to be nervous? And then last session, she was nervous? And then last session, she was nervous? And then last session, she was like, "Hey, I'll get up on stage and be like, "Hey, I'll get up on stage and be like, "Hey, I'll get up on stage and be the one who does the Shirley Temple the one who does the Shirley Temple the one who does the Shirley Temple game." like she's she's got it under game." like she's she's got it under game." like she's she's got it under control. She's perfect. Um, you know, control. She's perfect. Um, you know, control. She's perfect. Um, you know, before I was a comedian and before I before I was a comedian and before I before I was a comedian and before I hosted anything for Ted, I was a fifth hosted anything for Ted, I was a fifth hosted anything for Ted, I was a fifth grade teacher. And Mila just reminds me grade teacher. And Mila just reminds me grade teacher. And Mila just reminds me of like all the the best students that I of like all the the best students that I of like all the the best students that I ever worked with. One of the things that ever worked with. One of the things that ever worked with. One of the things that I thought was so fun about being a fifth I thought was so fun about being a fifth I thought was so fun about being a fifth grade teacher. Um, and all the teachers grade teacher. Um, and all the teachers grade teacher. Um, and all the teachers in the room know this is that you could in the room know this is that you could in the room know this is that you could never predict what was going to happen, never predict what was going to happen, never predict what was going to happen, right? Like sometimes I would give out a right? Like sometimes I would give out a right? Like sometimes I would give out a worksheet and I would just be like, worksheet and I would just be like, worksheet and I would just be like, "This is just a regular old geometry "This is just a regular old geometry "This is just a regular old geometry worksheet. Name the following shapes." I worksheet. Name the following shapes." I worksheet. Name the following shapes." I was expecting like, you know, hexagon, was expecting like, you know, hexagon, was expecting like, you know, hexagon, something like that. And instead, and look, that's indisputably correct. and look, that's indisputably correct. That is Gabriella. We can all agree. Or That is Gabriella. We can all agree. Or That is Gabriella. We can all agree. Or another time, uh, I gave out a a another time, uh, I gave out a a another time, uh, I gave out a a homework assignment and got this back. I homework assignment and got this back. I homework assignment and got this back. I am sorry, my pencil is not working.

am sorry, my pencil is not working. am sorry, my pencil is not working. Written in pencil. Written in pencil. Written in pencil. Really clever. I love the audacity of Really clever. I love the audacity of Really clever. I love the audacity of trying to pass that one off. trying to pass that one off. trying to pass that one off. Okay. Um, our next speaker is one of the Okay. Um, our next speaker is one of the Okay. Um, our next speaker is one of the leading international scholars on leading international scholars on leading international scholars on children's agency in education. Her work children's agency in education. Her work children's agency in education. Her work focuses on how adults and children can focuses on how adults and children can focuses on how adults and children can play together to strengthen creativity play together to strengthen creativity play together to strengthen creativity and problem solving in diverse and problem solving in diverse and problem solving in diverse classrooms and in early learning classrooms and in early learning classrooms and in early learning settings. She is the co-founder of the settings. She is the co-founder of the settings. She is the co-founder of the international playworld network and a international playworld network and a international playworld network and a leader of the child research group at leader of the child research group at leader of the child research group at the University of Helsinki. Please the University of Helsinki. Please the University of Helsinki. Please welcome Anna Rano. I'd love for you to think about a I'd love for you to think about a classroom full of let's say 20 classroom full of let's say 20 classroom full of let's say 20 sevenyear-old children. sevenyear-old children. sevenyear-old children. They are all different. There's a child They are all different. There's a child They are all different. There's a child who loves school and can easily who loves school and can easily who loves school and can easily concentrate through noise. Another child concentrate through noise. Another child concentrate through noise. Another child needs a lot of physical comfort and needs a lot of physical comfort and needs a lot of physical comfort and happily climbs to his teacher's lap if happily climbs to his teacher's lap if happily climbs to his teacher's lap if it's free. One student has to fit it to it's free. One student has to fit it to it's free. One student has to fit it to concentrate.

concentrate. concentrate. The one at the back learned early on The one at the back learned early on The one at the back learned early on that adults and their promises cannot be that adults and their promises cannot be that adults and their promises cannot be trusted. trusted. trusted. She tried to keep her distance. She tried to keep her distance. She tried to keep her distance. Next to her is a boy who loves drawing Next to her is a boy who loves drawing Next to her is a boy who loves drawing dragons. and he drew this when the task dragons. and he drew this when the task dragons. and he drew this when the task was to craft holiday decorations. Now imagine you're a teacher in this Now imagine you're a teacher in this classroom and it is your task to include classroom and it is your task to include classroom and it is your task to include all these different children in one all these different children in one all these different children in one activity. It's easy to see what happens. activity. It's easy to see what happens. activity. It's easy to see what happens. One or two children do not fit in and One or two children do not fit in and One or two children do not fit in and become excluded. become excluded. become excluded. Why is that? Why is that? Why is that? In most other phases of our lives, it In most other phases of our lives, it In most other phases of our lives, it would be odd to think that everybody was would be odd to think that everybody was would be odd to think that everybody was able to do the same activity, enjoy sim able to do the same activity, enjoy sim able to do the same activity, enjoy sim similar things or develop at the same similar things or develop at the same similar things or develop at the same pace. Schools, however, are historically pace. Schools, however, are historically pace. Schools, however, are historically places where sameness is expected from places where sameness is expected from places where sameness is expected from all.

all. all. This makes many children and adults This makes many children and adults This makes many children and adults alike suffer in these institutions. I am a researcher and teacher educator I am a researcher and teacher educator in Finland in Finland in Finland and I believe that this does not need to and I believe that this does not need to and I believe that this does not need to be the case. be the case. be the case. Radical inclusion is possible in any Radical inclusion is possible in any Radical inclusion is possible in any early learning classroom through early learning classroom through early learning classroom through something called something called something called play worlds. Play worlds are adult child joint play Play worlds are adult child joint play often structured around a piece of often structured around a piece of often structured around a piece of literature or a work of art like Mrol's literature or a work of art like Mrol's literature or a work of art like Mrol's play world or Alice in Wonderland play play world or Alice in Wonderland play play world or Alice in Wonderland play world. world. world. They were originally developed by a They were originally developed by a They were originally developed by a Swedish scholar Gunila Lingquist and Swedish scholar Gunila Lingquist and Swedish scholar Gunila Lingquist and they are now studied worldwide by our they are now studied worldwide by our they are now studied worldwide by our research teams. research teams. research teams. The adults and children create the world The adults and children create the world The adults and children create the world of a chosen story of a chosen story of a chosen story in the classroom. And then the class in the classroom. And then the class in the classroom. And then the class plays, interacts, and undertakes plays, interacts, and undertakes plays, interacts, and undertakes adventures together with both adults and adventures together with both adults and adventures together with both adults and children in roles like you see here in children in roles like you see here in children in roles like you see here in this illustration of a play world. The this illustration of a play world. The this illustration of a play world. The teacher as a wits.

teacher as a wits. teacher as a wits. The children take initiative and the The children take initiative and the The children take initiative and the adults listen carefully. I've had the privilege to of learning I've had the privilege to of learning from more than dozens of play worlds and from more than dozens of play worlds and from more than dozens of play worlds and together with my colleagues and I want together with my colleagues and I want together with my colleagues and I want to mention here especially Beth Farhold to mention here especially Beth Farhold to mention here especially Beth Farhold we have seen how play worlds can change we have seen how play worlds can change we have seen how play worlds can change the way schools are Okay, Okay, let me give you an example of a how a let me give you an example of a how a let me give you an example of a how a play world might look like uh in a play world might look like uh in a play world might look like uh in a kindergarten class. kindergarten class. kindergarten class. And just to note that these are And just to note that these are And just to note that these are fictional examples to protect the fictional examples to protect the fictional examples to protect the privacy of the participants kind of privacy of the participants kind of privacy of the participants kind of composite stories of all the things composite stories of all the things composite stories of all the things we've seen in the many plays we've we've seen in the many plays we've we've seen in the many plays we've studied. studied. studied. So the teacher Johanna So the teacher Johanna So the teacher Johanna create u studied by reading aloud the create u studied by reading aloud the create u studied by reading aloud the first half of a famous uh Slavic first half of a famous uh Slavic first half of a famous uh Slavic folktale Babayaka to the children but folktale Babayaka to the children but folktale Babayaka to the children but instead of reading aloud the second half instead of reading aloud the second half instead of reading aloud the second half of the story the class collectively of the story the class collectively of the story the class collectively wrote and directed their own resolution wrote and directed their own resolution wrote and directed their own resolution to the story's central conflicts.

These are the set pieces and props that These are the set pieces and props that the class created over the course of a the class created over the course of a the class created over the course of a year. year. year. This is uh for example Baba Yaga's tower and these are magical creators caves and these are magical creators caves that the children created. And that over there is Baba Yaga's traps And that over there is Baba Yaga's traps trap in which he loved to captivate trap in which he loved to captivate trap in which he loved to captivate everybody she could. everybody she could. everybody she could. And these are the trees and a lampost in And these are the trees and a lampost in And these are the trees and a lampost in the forest of the story. And this is a drawing by a child of a And this is a drawing by a child of a hut on chicken thicken legs. It's very hut on chicken thicken legs. It's very hut on chicken thicken legs. It's very important in the story of Babayaga. And important in the story of Babayaga. And important in the story of Babayaga. And it was created in the classroom. And it was created in the classroom. And it was created in the classroom. And this is the wardrobe inside the hut that this is the wardrobe inside the hut that this is the wardrobe inside the hut that became a portal from the everyday life became a portal from the everyday life became a portal from the everyday life of the classroom to the magical reality of the classroom to the magical reality of the classroom to the magical reality of the play world. Even the adults used of the play world. Even the adults used of the play world. Even the adults used it to keep the magic alive. You know, it to keep the magic alive. You know, it to keep the magic alive. You know, one night um the teacher Johanna even one night um the teacher Johanna even one night um the teacher Johanna even returned to the class after the children returned to the class after the children returned to the class after the children had gone home just to exit had gone home just to exit had gone home just to exit the play world. We had this wardrobe in the play world. We had this wardrobe in the play world. We had this wardrobe in case she had forgotten to do it earlier case she had forgotten to do it earlier case she had forgotten to do it earlier during the day.

But in this classroom, like in many But in this classroom, like in many others, there were some children who had others, there were some children who had others, there were some children who had hard time participating in classroom hard time participating in classroom hard time participating in classroom activities, activities, activities, uh, Viola was often uh inattentive and uh, Viola was often uh inattentive and uh, Viola was often uh inattentive and disruptive. disruptive. disruptive. And when the class was discussing how to And when the class was discussing how to And when the class was discussing how to bring everyone safety from the evil Baba bring everyone safety from the evil Baba bring everyone safety from the evil Baba Yaga, Viola suggested blowing up the Yaga, Viola suggested blowing up the Yaga, Viola suggested blowing up the whole school to save the magical whole school to save the magical whole school to save the magical creatures from Babayaga's trap. creatures from Babayaga's trap. creatures from Babayaga's trap. It's easy to see how Viola and her plan It's easy to see how Viola and her plan It's easy to see how Viola and her plan would be excluded from a normal would be excluded from a normal would be excluded from a normal classroom. But this is a play world and classroom. But this is a play world and classroom. But this is a play world and in play world the children, not the in play world the children, not the in play world the children, not the adults are the experts. adults are the experts. adults are the experts. So the children negotiated with Viola So the children negotiated with Viola So the children negotiated with Viola and asked whether she could consider and asked whether she could consider and asked whether she could consider blowing up some props instead of an blowing up some props instead of an blowing up some props instead of an entire school. entire school. entire school. And Viola agreed and said it's this is a And Viola agreed and said it's this is a And Viola agreed and said it's this is a good plan because everybody gets to do good plan because everybody gets to do good plan because everybody gets to do their own plan. But the following week, But the following week, Viola was again inattentive, Viola was again inattentive, Viola was again inattentive, disruptive. So the teacher had to speak disruptive. So the teacher had to speak disruptive. So the teacher had to speak directly to her. And the teacher said, directly to her. And the teacher said, directly to her. And the teacher said, "Viola cannot be part of the plan unless "Viola cannot be part of the plan unless "Viola cannot be part of the plan unless she commits to go through with it she commits to go through with it she commits to go through with it because everybody is dependent on her to because everybody is dependent on her to because everybody is dependent on her to save the magical creatures from the save the magical creatures from the save the magical creatures from the Babayaga and her disruptive behavior Babayaga and her disruptive behavior Babayaga and her disruptive behavior might alert Baba Yaga." So something might alert Baba Yaga." So something might alert Baba Yaga." So something extraordinary happened. Viola agreed to extraordinary happened. Viola agreed to extraordinary happened. Viola agreed to participate and when it was her time to participate and when it was her time to participate and when it was her time to carry out her part of the plan, she carry out her part of the plan, she carry out her part of the plan, she first carefully checked that everyone is

first carefully checked that everyone is first carefully checked that everyone is protected, then drew the bomb to protected, then drew the bomb to protected, then drew the bomb to Babayaga's trap and engaged everyone in Babayaga's trap and engaged everyone in Babayaga's trap and engaged everyone in a dramatic countdown due the explosion. Now, here's why I find this example so Now, here's why I find this example so powerful. In most other classroom powerful. In most other classroom powerful. In most other classroom settings, wheelless behavior would be settings, wheelless behavior would be settings, wheelless behavior would be considered problematic or something that considered problematic or something that considered problematic or something that we should be preventing from happening. we should be preventing from happening. we should be preventing from happening. But inside a play world, it made sense But inside a play world, it made sense But inside a play world, it made sense and it even helped to sell solve some and it even helped to sell solve some and it even helped to sell solve some problems. Va's story is also a great example of a Va's story is also a great example of a phrase I believe teachers, mentors, phrase I believe teachers, mentors, phrase I believe teachers, mentors, parents should be saying as much as parents should be saying as much as parents should be saying as much as possible. possible. possible. Why not? If a child turns to you to ask for If a child turns to you to ask for something or suggest something, it's something or suggest something, it's something or suggest something, it's often cognitively difficult for us often cognitively difficult for us often cognitively difficult for us adults because it means changing our adults because it means changing our adults because it means changing our plans, right? or going into different plans, right? or going into different plans, right? or going into different direction or as we perceive it wasting direction or as we perceive it wasting direction or as we perceive it wasting our precious time. So our first our precious time. So our first our precious time. So our first intuition is to say no or maybe later.

intuition is to say no or maybe later. intuition is to say no or maybe later. But before you rush to respond, But before you rush to respond, But before you rush to respond, try asking yourself why not? And try asking yourself why not? And try asking yourself why not? And sometimes there's a clear reason to say sometimes there's a clear reason to say sometimes there's a clear reason to say no. no. no. But often there isn't. And when there But often there isn't. And when there But often there isn't. And when there isn't, you can go along with your isn't, you can go along with your isn't, you can go along with your children in that unpredictable children in that unpredictable children in that unpredictable direction. and doors will open. Here is um another example I love. And Here is um another example I love. And this time, let's say from a first grade this time, let's say from a first grade this time, let's say from a first grade classroom, the teacher Tom wanted to classroom, the teacher Tom wanted to classroom, the teacher Tom wanted to develop a play world based on a develop a play world based on a develop a play world based on a children's book of Reuben, a bird who children's book of Reuben, a bird who children's book of Reuben, a bird who accidentally flies in through a child's accidentally flies in through a child's accidentally flies in through a child's bedroom window and needs that child's bedroom window and needs that child's bedroom window and needs that child's help to get back home. help to get back home. help to get back home. So the children read the story and So the children read the story and So the children read the story and imagine how Reuben might look. But then imagine how Reuben might look. But then imagine how Reuben might look. But then COVID hits, COVID hits, COVID hits, but the children continue thinking and but the children continue thinking and but the children continue thinking and talking about Reuben. And then after talking about Reuben. And then after talking about Reuben. And then after several months of distance learning, the several months of distance learning, the several months of distance learning, the children return to class that one children return to class that one children return to class that one morning to find Reuben, an actual puppet morning to find Reuben, an actual puppet morning to find Reuben, an actual puppet on a window sill of the classroom.

on a window sill of the classroom. on a window sill of the classroom. Tom, the teacher, plays Reuben, and the Tom, the teacher, plays Reuben, and the Tom, the teacher, plays Reuben, and the children just love it. They want to children just love it. They want to children just love it. They want to include it in all activities. They sing include it in all activities. They sing include it in all activities. They sing their favorite songs to it. They feed their favorite songs to it. They feed their favorite songs to it. They feed it. They uh build a nest for it during it. They uh build a nest for it during it. They uh build a nest for it during the art classes. And they even teach the art classes. And they even teach the art classes. And they even teach some math to it. But at this semester also in this But at this semester also in this classroom, some children were seriously classroom, some children were seriously classroom, some children were seriously on the edge of disengagement. on the edge of disengagement. on the edge of disengagement. There was Alma for whom it was difficult There was Alma for whom it was difficult There was Alma for whom it was difficult to sit still, follow orders or do school to sit still, follow orders or do school to sit still, follow orders or do school tasks. And there was Luca who was so tasks. And there was Luca who was so tasks. And there was Luca who was so disruptive that the teachers had made disruptive that the teachers had made disruptive that the teachers had made special arrangements for him to leave special arrangements for him to leave special arrangements for him to leave school early early. You can imagine how school early early. You can imagine how school early early. You can imagine how this made him feel even more excluded this made him feel even more excluded this made him feel even more excluded until these children started to develop until these children started to develop until these children started to develop a special bond with Reuben. For example, a special bond with Reuben. For example, a special bond with Reuben. For example, the puppet sent private email to Alma as the puppet sent private email to Alma as the puppet sent private email to Alma as saying that it felt really lonely in the saying that it felt really lonely in the saying that it felt really lonely in the class during the night and Alma class during the night and Alma class during the night and Alma responded asking whether Reuben needed a responded asking whether Reuben needed a responded asking whether Reuben needed a friend, her own soft toy, Sunny from friend, her own soft toy, Sunny from friend, her own soft toy, Sunny from home. And Reuben said, "Yes, please."

home. And Reuben said, "Yes, please." home. And Reuben said, "Yes, please." Slowly, these children became really Slowly, these children became really Slowly, these children became really close to Reuben. It often uh it often close to Reuben. It often uh it often close to Reuben. It often uh it often sat in Alma's lap in activities that sat in Alma's lap in activities that sat in Alma's lap in activities that were difficult for her and that made her were difficult for her and that made her were difficult for her and that made her calmer and more attentive. calmer and more attentive. calmer and more attentive. Uh on a school field trip, Tom the Uh on a school field trip, Tom the Uh on a school field trip, Tom the teacher put Luca in charge of Reuben and that was a huge win. and that was a huge win. Luca often couldn't join these trips Luca often couldn't join these trips Luca often couldn't join these trips because of his behavior, but Reuben made because of his behavior, but Reuben made because of his behavior, but Reuben made it possible for him to go. Perhaps you can see best how Reuben Perhaps you can see best how Reuben helped these children through this helped these children through this helped these children through this drawing. It's an illustration of Luca It's an illustration of Luca on a on a classroom whiteboard. It's on a on a classroom whiteboard. It's on a on a classroom whiteboard. It's Reuben and Luca together. Reuben and Luca together. Reuben and Luca together. It looks kind of like Reuben is lifting It looks kind of like Reuben is lifting It looks kind of like Reuben is lifting Luca up, perhaps making him feel Luca up, perhaps making him feel Luca up, perhaps making him feel happier, lighter.

happier, lighter. happier, lighter. And for me as a researcher, I really And for me as a researcher, I really And for me as a researcher, I really love this picture because I think it is love this picture because I think it is love this picture because I think it is the seven-year-old the seven-year-old the seven-year-old who was able through this drawing to who was able through this drawing to who was able through this drawing to best crystallize for us what development best crystallize for us what development best crystallize for us what development is and what imagination can do if adults is and what imagination can do if adults is and what imagination can do if adults take it seriously. Now, it would have been easy to write Now, it would have been easy to write off children like Luca Viola or Alma and off children like Luca Viola or Alma and off children like Luca Viola or Alma and say that the classroom just isn't a say that the classroom just isn't a say that the classroom just isn't a place for them. place for them. place for them. But these stories show us how adult But these stories show us how adult But these stories show us how adult child play can start changing these child play can start changing these child play can start changing these systems from the inside. systems from the inside. systems from the inside. But and this is my strongest message for But and this is my strongest message for But and this is my strongest message for you today. The value of adult child you today. The value of adult child you today. The value of adult child joint play needs to be better recognized joint play needs to be better recognized joint play needs to be better recognized in early learning and teachers who play in early learning and teachers who play in early learning and teachers who play need to be supported and trusted by need to be supported and trusted by need to be supported and trusted by their school systems. their school systems. their school systems. If if this happens then play worlds can if this happens then play worlds can start say change say start start then start say change say start start then start say change say start start then play worlds can help us imagine play worlds can help us imagine play worlds can help us imagine and build better futures with our and build better futures with our and build better futures with our children futures where everyone could children futures where everyone could children futures where everyone could have an important role to play.

have an important role to play. have an important role to play. It is through these roles and those It is through these roles and those It is through these roles and those relationships that our most excluded relationships that our most excluded relationships that our most excluded students can find their rightful place students can find their rightful place students can find their rightful place and we all benefit. And this can happen and we all benefit. And this can happen and we all benefit. And this can happen again again again and again and again and again and again if imaginative play is given and again if imaginative play is given and again if imaginative play is given the place it deserves. Thank you. >> Thank you so much Anna. Our >> Thank you so much Anna. Our final speaker is a 14-year-old origami final speaker is a 14-year-old origami final speaker is a 14-year-old origami innovator and a student right here in innovator and a student right here in innovator and a student right here in New York City. He recently earned the New York City. He recently earned the New York City. He recently earned the top prize at the 2025 Thermoffisher top prize at the 2025 Thermoffisher top prize at the 2025 Thermoffisher Scientific Junior Innovators Challenge Scientific Junior Innovators Challenge Scientific Junior Innovators Challenge and he is here today to tell us all and he is here today to tell us all and he is here today to tell us all about it. Please give a huge round of about it. Please give a huge round of about it. Please give a huge round of applause to Miles Woo. I love origami. I love the way I can I love origami. I love the way I can transform a simple piece of paper into transform a simple piece of paper into transform a simple piece of paper into almost anything like a wheelbug, almost anything like a wheelbug, almost anything like a wheelbug, my grandparents, my grandparents, my grandparents, or even a neuron cell. I'm 14 years old.

or even a neuron cell. I'm 14 years old. or even a neuron cell. I'm 14 years old. I live in New York City and I'm in nth I live in New York City and I'm in nth I live in New York City and I'm in nth grade, so I'm usually busy with homework grade, so I'm usually busy with homework grade, so I'm usually busy with homework or after school activities, but in my or after school activities, but in my or after school activities, but in my free time, I really enjoy doing origami. free time, I really enjoy doing origami. free time, I really enjoy doing origami. Origami is fun, but playing with paper Origami is fun, but playing with paper Origami is fun, but playing with paper has also shown me that origami has the has also shown me that origami has the has also shown me that origami has the power to stretch my creativity, help power to stretch my creativity, help power to stretch my creativity, help others, and even lead to new others, and even lead to new others, and even lead to new discoveries. And today, I'd like to discoveries. And today, I'd like to discoveries. And today, I'd like to share one small discovery that I made share one small discovery that I made share one small discovery that I made and how I got there. and how I got there. and how I got there. So, I started folding origami over seven So, I started folding origami over seven So, I started folding origami over seven years ago, making ornaments for my years ago, making ornaments for my years ago, making ornaments for my family's tiny Christmas tree, and family's tiny Christmas tree, and family's tiny Christmas tree, and getting in trouble in class for turning getting in trouble in class for turning getting in trouble in class for turning my for turning my worksheets into ninja my for turning my worksheets into ninja my for turning my worksheets into ninja stars and paper claws. As you can stars and paper claws. As you can stars and paper claws. As you can imagine, my teachers were less than imagine, my teachers were less than imagine, my teachers were less than overjoyed, but I told them I was making overjoyed, but I told them I was making overjoyed, but I told them I was making academic weapons. Over time, I began folding more complex Over time, I began folding more complex origami and even designing my own origami and even designing my own origami and even designing my own models. But no matter what, I'm always models. But no matter what, I'm always models. But no matter what, I'm always folding. Give me any scrap of paper and folding. Give me any scrap of paper and folding. Give me any scrap of paper and I'll challenge myself to turn it into I'll challenge myself to turn it into I'll challenge myself to turn it into something. For example, if I'm waiting something. For example, if I'm waiting something. For example, if I'm waiting in line at Trader Joe's, I might turn a in line at Trader Joe's, I might turn a in line at Trader Joe's, I might turn a sample cup into a crane.

sample cup into a crane. sample cup into a crane. or even a super long CVS receipt or even a super long CVS receipt or even a super long CVS receipt into a centipede or even the New York Times into a or even the New York Times into a lizard. And it's this process of turning lizard. And it's this process of turning lizard. And it's this process of turning nothing into something that sparks my nothing into something that sparks my nothing into something that sparks my imagination and draws me to origami. imagination and draws me to origami. imagination and draws me to origami. I've also found that origami has the I've also found that origami has the I've also found that origami has the power to help others. During the power to help others. During the power to help others. During the pandemic, 8-year-old me wrote cards and pandemic, 8-year-old me wrote cards and pandemic, 8-year-old me wrote cards and mailed origami birds to seniors at my mailed origami birds to seniors at my mailed origami birds to seniors at my local nursing home to cheer them up local nursing home to cheer them up local nursing home to cheer them up during quarantine. And more recently, during quarantine. And more recently, during quarantine. And more recently, I've been folding even more origami I've been folding even more origami I've been folding even more origami birds. Two years ago, I folded some birds. Two years ago, I folded some birds. Two years ago, I folded some origami pigeons. origami pigeons. origami pigeons. By some, I mean 200 of them. By some, I mean 200 of them. By some, I mean 200 of them. If you couldn't tell, pigeons are my If you couldn't tell, pigeons are my If you couldn't tell, pigeons are my favorite birds. favorite birds. favorite birds. And then the following year, I folded And then the following year, I folded And then the following year, I folded sparrows. Another bird that's sparrows. Another bird that's sparrows. Another bird that's overlooked, but that I personally love. overlooked, but that I personally love. overlooked, but that I personally love. and I folded a hundred of them and sold and I folded a hundred of them and sold and I folded a hundred of them and sold them alongside the pigeons uh to raise them alongside the pigeons uh to raise them alongside the pigeons uh to raise over $4,000 to donate to my local over $4,000 to donate to my local over $4,000 to donate to my local soup kitchen as well as a nonprofit that soup kitchen as well as a nonprofit that soup kitchen as well as a nonprofit that rehabilitates injured and orphaned birds rehabilitates injured and orphaned birds rehabilitates injured and orphaned birds in New York City.

And so through this project, I was able And so through this project, I was able to see the power of the most humble to see the power of the most humble to see the power of the most humble material, a simple piece of paper to material, a simple piece of paper to material, a simple piece of paper to really help my community. really help my community. really help my community. More recently, I've been interested in More recently, I've been interested in More recently, I've been interested in the intersection of origami and science the intersection of origami and science the intersection of origami and science and engineering. and engineering. and engineering. I think it started in middle school when I think it started in middle school when I think it started in middle school when I began going down rabbit holes to see I began going down rabbit holes to see I began going down rabbit holes to see how or scientists and researchers and how or scientists and researchers and how or scientists and researchers and engineers were using origami folds, for engineers were using origami folds, for engineers were using origami folds, for example, in space or even to help sick example, in space or even to help sick example, in space or even to help sick people. But one fold interested me in people. But one fold interested me in people. But one fold interested me in particular, and this was the mirror or particular, and this was the mirror or particular, and this was the mirror or fold. It was invented in the 1970s by fold. It was invented in the 1970s by fold. It was invented in the 1970s by Corome, a Japanese astrophysicist. Corome, a Japanese astrophysicist. Corome, a Japanese astrophysicist. It's a tessillation, which means it's a It's a tessillation, which means it's a It's a tessillation, which means it's a repeating pattern of parallelograms. And repeating pattern of parallelograms. And repeating pattern of parallelograms. And the way these parallelograms are the way these parallelograms are the way these parallelograms are arranged, they're able to fold down to arranged, they're able to fold down to arranged, they're able to fold down to an extremely compact size in one smooth an extremely compact size in one smooth an extremely compact size in one smooth motion. And this makes mirror or an motion. And this makes mirror or an motion. And this makes mirror or an efficient deployable structure that's efficient deployable structure that's efficient deployable structure that's even been used to fold a solar array even been used to fold a solar array even been used to fold a solar array that was sent into space. that was sent into space. that was sent into space. And last year I was also reading the And last year I was also reading the And last year I was also reading the news about natural disasters like news about natural disasters like news about natural disasters like Hurricane Helen and I saw so many people Hurricane Helen and I saw so many people Hurricane Helen and I saw so many people displaced and it made me wonder if displaced and it made me wonder if displaced and it made me wonder if Mirror Ori could be used to improve Mirror Ori could be used to improve Mirror Ori could be used to improve emergency deployable shelters by making emergency deployable shelters by making emergency deployable shelters by making them stronger and lighter. And so for my them stronger and lighter. And so for my them stronger and lighter. And so for my eighth grade science fair project, I eighth grade science fair project, I eighth grade science fair project, I decided to study Mirror Ori and how I decided to study Mirror Ori and how I decided to study Mirror Ori and how I could optimize it strength to weight could optimize it strength to weight could optimize it strength to weight ratio.

ratio. ratio. I started out by designing 18 different I started out by designing 18 different I started out by designing 18 different folding patterns. These had different folding patterns. These had different folding patterns. These had different heights, widths, and angles of the heights, widths, and angles of the heights, widths, and angles of the parallelograms in the pattern. I tested parallelograms in the pattern. I tested parallelograms in the pattern. I tested each of these patterns across three each of these patterns across three each of these patterns across three different paper weights. And each of different paper weights. And each of different paper weights. And each of those variations twice for a total of those variations twice for a total of those variations twice for a total of 108 mirror ori that I folded and tested. 108 mirror ori that I folded and tested. 108 mirror ori that I folded and tested. And for each of these mirror ori, I And for each of these mirror ori, I And for each of these mirror ori, I wanted to see not only how much weight wanted to see not only how much weight wanted to see not only how much weight they could hold, but also how many times they could hold, but also how many times they could hold, but also how many times their own weight they could hold. And so their own weight they could hold. And so their own weight they could hold. And so for two months, I transformed my for two months, I transformed my for two months, I transformed my family's small New York City apartment family's small New York City apartment family's small New York City apartment into my into my testing lab with Mirror into my into my testing lab with Mirror into my into my testing lab with Mirror AI all over the place. When I was first AI all over the place. When I was first AI all over the place. When I was first starting out, I grabbed basically every starting out, I grabbed basically every starting out, I grabbed basically every heavy book and item and I stacked them heavy book and item and I stacked them heavy book and item and I stacked them on top of the mirror or I quickly on top of the mirror or I quickly on top of the mirror or I quickly quickly realized I didn't actually have quickly realized I didn't actually have quickly realized I didn't actually have enough weights to accurately test the enough weights to accurately test the enough weights to accurately test the models. And so I asked my parents to buy models. And so I asked my parents to buy models. And so I asked my parents to buy some really heavy exercise weights. 250 some really heavy exercise weights. 250 some really heavy exercise weights. 250 hours later and after a lot of heavy hours later and after a lot of heavy hours later and after a lot of heavy lifting, I found that the mirror A or lifting, I found that the mirror A or lifting, I found that the mirror A or with the smallest and least acutely with the smallest and least acutely with the smallest and least acutely angled panels made out of the lightest angled panels made out of the lightest angled panels made out of the lightest paper had the greatest strength to paper had the greatest strength to paper had the greatest strength to weight ratio.

weight ratio. weight ratio. The strongest pattern held almost 200 lb The strongest pattern held almost 200 lb The strongest pattern held almost 200 lb and another lighter version held more and another lighter version held more and another lighter version held more than 10,000 times its own weight. I than 10,000 times its own weight. I than 10,000 times its own weight. I found that the stronger patterns were found that the stronger patterns were found that the stronger patterns were more compact and they also created more compact and they also created more compact and they also created trustlike structures that were able to trustlike structures that were able to trustlike structures that were able to distribute pressure evenly. distribute pressure evenly. distribute pressure evenly. It's amazing that something can be so It's amazing that something can be so It's amazing that something can be so strong and yet so lightweight at the strong and yet so lightweight at the strong and yet so lightweight at the same time. And it's exciting to think same time. And it's exciting to think same time. And it's exciting to think about what potential applications a fold about what potential applications a fold about what potential applications a fold like this could have, maybe even helping like this could have, maybe even helping like this could have, maybe even helping to imagine a better emergency shelter to imagine a better emergency shelter to imagine a better emergency shelter one day. one day. one day. And so this work that I did by myself at And so this work that I did by myself at And so this work that I did by myself at home, it led to me receiving the top home, it led to me receiving the top home, it led to me receiving the top prize at National STEM competition last prize at National STEM competition last prize at National STEM competition last year. And to receive such a big prize for simply to receive such a big prize for simply playing with paper. And so, in the playing with paper. And so, in the playing with paper. And so, in the future, I definitely want to keep future, I definitely want to keep future, I definitely want to keep exploring and learning, but most of all exploring and learning, but most of all exploring and learning, but most of all to keep playing with origami so I can to keep playing with origami so I can to keep playing with origami so I can continue to discover all the continue to discover all the continue to discover all the possibilities a single piece of paper possibilities a single piece of paper possibilities a single piece of paper can hold. THANK YOU.

GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB. Give another big round of applause for Give another big round of applause for Give another big round of applause for Miles Rules. Miles Rules. Miles Rules. >> What an inspiration. Oh my gosh. >> What an inspiration. Oh my gosh. >> What an inspiration. Oh my gosh. Wow. Um, can you believe it? We have Wow. Um, can you believe it? We have Wow. Um, can you believe it? We have come to the end of this day. Thank you come to the end of this day. Thank you come to the end of this day. Thank you all so much. Everyone who is watching on all so much. Everyone who is watching on all so much. Everyone who is watching on the live stream, all of you incredible the live stream, all of you incredible the live stream, all of you incredible people here in person. Thank you to the people here in person. Thank you to the people here in person. Thank you to the incredible TED team, everyone who you incredible TED team, everyone who you incredible TED team, everyone who you can see, and everyone who is hiding can see, and everyone who is hiding can see, and everyone who is hiding behind the curtains making this run so behind the curtains making this run so behind the curtains making this run so smoothly. Thank you to the LEGO Group smoothly. Thank you to the LEGO Group smoothly. Thank you to the LEGO Group and the LEGO Foundation for this and the LEGO Foundation for this and the LEGO Foundation for this partnership. And thank you to the partnership. And thank you to the partnership. And thank you to the concept of play, which makes everything concept of play, which makes everything concept of play, which makes everything more fun. Thank you. Thank you. Thank more fun. Thank you. Thank you. Thank more fun. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Let's give them all a big round of you. Let's give them all a big round of you. Let's give them all a big round of applause. >> Okay, if you are watching on the live >> Okay, if you are watching on the live stream, thank you for watching. Thank stream, thank you for watching. Thank stream, thank you for watching. Thank you for joining us. I love you. Goodbye.