How to Make Learning Impossibly Fun | Mark Rober | TED

Hello, TED members. I am Whitney Hello, TED members. I am Whitney Pennington Rogers. I'm a curator here at Pennington Rogers. I'm a curator here at Pennington Rogers. I'm a curator here at TED and I am so excited to be here with TED and I am so excited to be here with TED and I am so excited to be here with you today for this live member event. you today for this live member event. you today for this live member event. All right. Now, I want to think for a All right. Now, I want to think for a All right. Now, I want to think for a moment about your favorite teacher. moment about your favorite teacher. moment about your favorite teacher. Maybe some of you are students right now Maybe some of you are students right now Maybe some of you are students right now and you don't have to pull back into the and you don't have to pull back into the and you don't have to pull back into the far reaches of your memory like I do, far reaches of your memory like I do, far reaches of your memory like I do, but I want you to think about this but I want you to think about this but I want you to think about this person and the things that made them so person and the things that made them so person and the things that made them so special. how excited they might have special. how excited they might have special. how excited they might have made you feel, how they made the subject made you feel, how they made the subject made you feel, how they made the subject they were teaching you come alive and they were teaching you come alive and they were teaching you come alive and made you want to lean in during their made you want to lean in during their made you want to lean in during their lessons and not zone out. I think for a lessons and not zone out. I think for a lessons and not zone out. I think for a lot of us, teachers like this maybe feel lot of us, teachers like this maybe feel lot of us, teachers like this maybe feel like the exception instead of the rule. like the exception instead of the rule. like the exception instead of the rule. And when it comes to science, maybe even And when it comes to science, maybe even And when it comes to science, maybe even more so. But what if that didn't have to more so. But what if that didn't have to more so. But what if that didn't have to be the case? What if science could be be the case? What if science could be be the case? What if science could be the class that kids cannot wait to get the class that kids cannot wait to get the class that kids cannot wait to get to because it makes them laugh and beg to because it makes them laugh and beg to because it makes them laugh and beg to try everything out there for to try everything out there for to try everything out there for themselves? Our guest today has spent a themselves? Our guest today has spent a themselves? Our guest today has spent a lot of time trying to make science lot of time trying to make science lot of time trying to make science lessons just like that. He's a former lessons just like that. He's a former lessons just like that. He's a former NASA engineer, a YouTube phenom with NASA engineer, a YouTube phenom with NASA engineer, a YouTube phenom with tens of millions of subscribers and is tens of millions of subscribers and is tens of millions of subscribers and is undoubtedly one of the most beloved undoubtedly one of the most beloved undoubtedly one of the most beloved science communicators of our time. There science communicators of our time. There science communicators of our time. There is no question about this. Earlier this is no question about this. Earlier this is no question about this. Earlier this year, he took the TED stage at our year, he took the TED stage at our year, he took the TED stage at our flagship conference to share his boldest flagship conference to share his boldest flagship conference to share his boldest project yet, a $60 million bet on the project yet, a $60 million bet on the project yet, a $60 million bet on the next generation of problem solvers and a next generation of problem solvers and a next generation of problem solvers and a new STEM curriculum designed to make new STEM curriculum designed to make new STEM curriculum designed to make science the class kids actually want to science the class kids actually want to science the class kids actually want to be in. That talk has since become one of be in. That talk has since become one of be in. That talk has since become one of our most viewed talks of 2026 so far.

our most viewed talks of 2026 so far. our most viewed talks of 2026 so far. and he's here today to share more with and he's here today to share more with and he's here today to share more with us about that project, the philosophy us about that project, the philosophy us about that project, the philosophy behind what he does, and break down how behind what he does, and break down how behind what he does, and break down how he sparks excitement about science again he sparks excitement about science again he sparks excitement about science again and again for kids of all ages all over and again for kids of all ages all over and again for kids of all ages all over the world. Please give a warm welcome to the world. Please give a warm welcome to the world. Please give a warm welcome to Mark Robber. Mark Robber. Mark Robber. >> Hello. How's everyone doing? >> Hello. How's everyone doing? >> Hello. How's everyone doing? >> Hey Mark, how's it going? >> Hey Mark, how's it going? >> Hey Mark, how's it going? >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. Thanks so much for being here with >> Good. Thanks so much for being here with >> Good. Thanks so much for being here with us today. The big reveal in your talk us today. The big reveal in your talk us today. The big reveal in your talk was the public announcement of your free was the public announcement of your free was the public announcement of your free STEM science curriculum for for kids STEM science curriculum for for kids STEM science curriculum for for kids ages I guess grades three through eight ages I guess grades three through eight ages I guess grades three through eight class crunch labs. Um and you talk a lot class crunch labs. Um and you talk a lot class crunch labs. Um and you talk a lot about that in the talk and that's a big about that in the talk and that's a big about that in the talk and that's a big a big thing that you you put forward. a big thing that you you put forward. a big thing that you you put forward. What what led you to create it? What what led you to create it? What what led you to create it? >> I mean and to be fair like I don't talk >> I mean and to be fair like I don't talk >> I mean and to be fair like I don't talk about the talk's maybe like 14 minutes. about the talk's maybe like 14 minutes. about the talk's maybe like 14 minutes. I talk about it for like two minutes, I talk about it for like two minutes, I talk about it for like two minutes, but the whole point of the talk is to but the whole point of the talk is to but the whole point of the talk is to lead up to that in the sense that like lead up to that in the sense that like lead up to that in the sense that like peeling back the curtain on how we hide peeling back the curtain on how we hide peeling back the curtain on how we hide the vegetables and make learning science the vegetables and make learning science the vegetables and make learning science fun because if there's any subject in fun because if there's any subject in fun because if there's any subject in school that should be fun, school that should be fun, school that should be fun, heaven forbid it should be science. It's heaven forbid it should be science. It's heaven forbid it should be science. It's like [snorts] so it's like we kind of like [snorts] so it's like we kind of like [snorts] so it's like we kind of peel back the car on how we do it and peel back the car on how we do it and peel back the car on how we do it and it's like okay now that you understand it's like okay now that you understand it's like okay now that you understand how the sausage is made this is the this how the sausage is made this is the this how the sausage is made this is the this is the kind of sausage we will be making is the kind of sausage we will be making is the kind of sausage we will be making for the next five years. Um, and so, and for the next five years. Um, and so, and for the next five years. Um, and so, and so like the the impetus for this came so like the the impetus for this came so like the the impetus for this came actually when my one of my buddies, his

actually when my one of my buddies, his actually when my one of my buddies, his his kid came into the room and she was his kid came into the room and she was his kid came into the room and she was she she was like in probably 8th grade she she was like in probably 8th grade she she was like in probably 8th grade at the time. Like, what are you learning at the time. Like, what are you learning at the time. Like, what are you learning in science? I'm just curious, right? in science? I'm just curious, right? in science? I'm just curious, right? Because I do this on my channel. And Because I do this on my channel. And Because I do this on my channel. And she's like, "Oh, we just watched a Bill she's like, "Oh, we just watched a Bill she's like, "Oh, we just watched a Bill Nye video today." She showed me a Nye video today." She showed me a Nye video today." She showed me a worksheet that been copied probably worksheet that been copied probably worksheet that been copied probably 10,000 times. You know, each time you 10,000 times. You know, each time you 10,000 times. You know, each time you copy, there's like an artifact that copy, there's like an artifact that copy, there's like an artifact that comes along. comes along. comes along. >> Yeah. And I was like, and I love Bill, >> Yeah. And I was like, and I love Bill, >> Yeah. And I was like, and I love Bill, like he's a personal friend, but it's like he's a personal friend, but it's like he's a personal friend, but it's also those videos were made in the 90s, also those videos were made in the 90s, also those videos were made in the 90s, and this is a generation that has grown and this is a generation that has grown and this is a generation that has grown up on TikTok and YouTube, and there's up on TikTok and YouTube, and there's up on TikTok and YouTube, and there's like different tricks to, you know, like different tricks to, you know, like different tricks to, you know, reach their brains in engaging ways. And reach their brains in engaging ways. And reach their brains in engaging ways. And I'm just like, man, I'm just like, man, I'm just like, man, we we should we should do something like we we should we should do something like we we should we should do something like that for this generation because I know, that for this generation because I know, that for this generation because I know, you know, I've had to earn 18 billion you know, I've had to earn 18 billion you know, I've had to earn 18 billion views because on in YouTube, you could views because on in YouTube, you could views because on in YouTube, you could click on anything else, right? So, it's click on anything else, right? So, it's click on anything else, right? So, it's like you kind of get trained by the like you kind of get trained by the like you kind of get trained by the algorithm on how to make things algorithm on how to make things algorithm on how to make things engaging. And that was the start of it. engaging. And that was the start of it. engaging. And that was the start of it. And I one of my superpowers, I think, is And I one of my superpowers, I think, is And I one of my superpowers, I think, is naive optimism where it's like it seems naive optimism where it's like it seems naive optimism where it's like it seems really easy when I have an idea. I'm really easy when I have an idea. I'm really easy when I have an idea. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, we could do that.

like, "Oh, yeah, we could do that. like, "Oh, yeah, we could do that. Sure." [laughter] That's that shouldn't Sure." [laughter] That's that shouldn't Sure." [laughter] That's that shouldn't be a problem. It's been so much harder, be a problem. It's been so much harder, be a problem. It's been so much harder, but like I'm always continuously naively but like I'm always continuously naively but like I'm always continuously naively optimistic that's like, "Ah, that'll be optimistic that's like, "Ah, that'll be optimistic that's like, "Ah, that'll be fine." So, it's been a complete journey. fine." So, it's been a complete journey. fine." So, it's been a complete journey. It's it's evolved to be way more than I It's it's evolved to be way more than I It's it's evolved to be way more than I was initially planning on doing, but was initially planning on doing, but was initially planning on doing, but it's so clear that this is the right way it's so clear that this is the right way it's so clear that this is the right way to do it. This is the right approach. It to do it. This is the right approach. It to do it. This is the right approach. It needs to be done, and we're the right needs to be done, and we're the right needs to be done, and we're the right people to do it. So, we're just going people to do it. So, we're just going people to do it. So, we're just going full steam ahead. full steam ahead. full steam ahead. I love that. And and you you said that I love that. And and you you said that I love that. And and you you said that it's uh you think it's the most it's uh you think it's the most it's uh you think it's the most important thing you'll ever do. And I important thing you'll ever do. And I important thing you'll ever do. And I remember watching you give the talk and remember watching you give the talk and remember watching you give the talk and you got a little emotional as you were you got a little emotional as you were you got a little emotional as you were sharing this. And if you can remember sharing this. And if you can remember sharing this. And if you can remember back to being on the stage, what what back to being on the stage, what what back to being on the stage, what what were you thinking about in that moment were you thinking about in that moment were you thinking about in that moment when you got really choked up? when you got really choked up? when you got really choked up? >> Um >> Um >> Um I don't know. Like I I really do have I don't know. Like I I really do have I don't know. Like I I really do have such a soft spot in my heart for such a soft spot in my heart for such a soft spot in my heart for teachers. Like if I just teach him about teachers. Like if I just teach him about teachers. Like if I just teach him about teachers even like right now a little teachers even like right now a little teachers even like right now a little bit like I get a little emotional. It's bit like I get a little emotional. It's bit like I get a little emotional. It's like like teach it's so tough especially like like teach it's so tough especially like like teach it's so tough especially today to be a teacher today to be a teacher today to be a teacher >> just because of a lot of factors and >> just because of a lot of factors and >> just because of a lot of factors and it's kind of the most important job in it's kind of the most important job in it's kind of the most important job in on the planet and so and they're not on the planet and so and they're not on the planet and so and they're not compensated as well as they like we compensated as well as they like we compensated as well as they like we should be ashamed I think I said that should be ashamed I think I said that should be ashamed I think I said that like we should be ashamed of like the like we should be ashamed of like the like we should be ashamed of like the support teachers actually get um for the support teachers actually get um for the support teachers actually get um for the importance of what they do and um yeah I importance of what they do and um yeah I importance of what they do and um yeah I don't know I just I've always had a soft

don't know I just I've always had a soft don't know I just I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the underdog and spot in my heart for the underdog and spot in my heart for the underdog and for the especially an underdog who for the especially an underdog who for the especially an underdog who really really really really deserves it. really really really really deserves it. really really really really deserves it. And so if I'm in a position to help them And so if I'm in a position to help them And so if I'm in a position to help them out then it just feels like you know out then it just feels like you know out then it just feels like you know what is life but working hard at work what is life but working hard at work what is life but working hard at work worth doing and like this feels like the worth doing and like this feels like the worth doing and like this feels like the most worthwhile work and like you know most worthwhile work and like you know most worthwhile work and like you know the most impact that I can you know have the most impact that I can you know have the most impact that I can you know have and affect change in like the most and affect change in like the most and affect change in like the most positive way cuz it's just no one's done positive way cuz it's just no one's done positive way cuz it's just no one's done anything like this. And then when we're anything like this. And then when we're anything like this. And then when we're ready to release it too, you know, a lot ready to release it too, you know, a lot ready to release it too, you know, a lot of times with edte and things, adoption of times with edte and things, adoption of times with edte and things, adoption is so hard, but like we're already is so hard, but like we're already is so hard, but like we're already teachers already show my videos in 40% teachers already show my videos in 40% teachers already show my videos in 40% of classrooms, but it's jello pools and of classrooms, but it's jello pools and of classrooms, but it's jello pools and squirrel obstacle courses and glitter squirrel obstacle courses and glitter squirrel obstacle courses and glitter bombs. It's not necessarily totally bombs. It's not necessarily totally bombs. It's not necessarily totally aligned with the curriculum. So, all aligned with the curriculum. So, all aligned with the curriculum. So, all right, let's take all those tricks, make right, let's take all those tricks, make right, let's take all those tricks, make something that is totally aligned, something that is totally aligned, something that is totally aligned, exceeds all the state science standards. exceeds all the state science standards. exceeds all the state science standards. Um, and and and and then put it out Um, and and and and then put it out Um, and and and and then put it out there. And then I'll just tell, you there. And then I'll just tell, you there. And then I'll just tell, you know, I could tap a mic and get 50 know, I could tap a mic and get 50 know, I could tap a mic and get 50 million people to listen. So I'll just million people to listen. So I'll just million people to listen. So I'll just say, hey, if you know, tell your say, hey, if you know, tell your say, hey, if you know, tell your teacher, you want to watch this and you teacher, you want to watch this and you teacher, you want to watch this and you want you want to do this for your class want you want to do this for your class want you want to do this for your class curriculum and I'll sell that directly curriculum and I'll sell that directly curriculum and I'll sell that directly to the teachers and we'll have a map of to the teachers and we'll have a map of to the teachers and we'll have a map of the whole United States in every single the whole United States in every single the whole United States in every single school district and we're going to have school district and we're going to have school district and we're going to have three teacher and three parent three teacher and three parent three teacher and three parent volunteers in every single district. So volunteers in every single district. So volunteers in every single district. So like we we're going to roll this out in like we we're going to roll this out in like we we're going to roll this out in a way that like no one's ever been able a way that like no one's ever been able a way that like no one's ever been able to or done. And then we'll also go, you to or done. And then we'll also go, you to or done. And then we'll also go, you know, properly through the states for know, properly through the states for know, properly through the states for bottoms down, top up. Um, we're just

bottoms down, top up. Um, we're just bottoms down, top up. Um, we're just gonna get this out there and and not gonna get this out there and and not gonna get this out there and and not because it's like I have skin in the because it's like I have skin in the because it's like I have skin in the game, but like we're making sure it's game, but like we're making sure it's game, but like we're making sure it's five times better than anything else. five times better than anything else. five times better than anything else. Like we're independent folks are like Like we're independent folks are like Like we're independent folks are like running actual like curriculum studies running actual like curriculum studies running actual like curriculum studies and versus control in a classroom. So I and versus control in a classroom. So I and versus control in a classroom. So I don't want to waste my time or my money don't want to waste my time or my money don't want to waste my time or my money or anyone else's money and time if this or anyone else's money and time if this or anyone else's money and time if this isn't way better. like that's the isn't way better. like that's the isn't way better. like that's the hypothesis. So, we're just going to hypothesis. So, we're just going to hypothesis. So, we're just going to tweak it until it is way better and just tweak it until it is way better and just tweak it until it is way better and just get this goodness out in the world for get this goodness out in the world for get this goodness out in the world for free. free. free. >> I know a lot of folks, especially some >> I know a lot of folks, especially some >> I know a lot of folks, especially some of our younger members who are watching, of our younger members who are watching, of our younger members who are watching, are really interested to hear more about are really interested to hear more about are really interested to hear more about you and your journey. And so, I'd love you and your journey. And so, I'd love you and your journey. And so, I'd love to talk a little bit about that. Um, I to talk a little bit about that. Um, I to talk a little bit about that. Um, I think most people who follow you know think most people who follow you know think most people who follow you know that you have this background as an that you have this background as an that you have this background as an engineer at NASA and Apple and and that engineer at NASA and Apple and and that engineer at NASA and Apple and and that before you started doing the work that before you started doing the work that before you started doing the work that you do, when would you say that your you do, when would you say that your you do, when would you say that your love of science began? love of science began? love of science began? I mean I mean I mean like from a from an early age I think I like from a from an early age I think I like from a from an early age I think I just had a you know I think if anyone just had a you know I think if anyone just had a you know I think if anyone here has more than one child I know kids here has more than one child I know kids here has more than one child I know kids come pre-programmed and I just had an come pre-programmed and I just had an come pre-programmed and I just had an inclination towards kind of math and inclination towards kind of math and inclination towards kind of math and science and the physical world you know science and the physical world you know science and the physical world you know taking apart the remote control um also taking apart the remote control um also taking apart the remote control um also just like coming up with cool ideas like just like coming up with cool ideas like just like coming up with cool ideas like the first job I ever wanted to do was be the first job I ever wanted to do was be the first job I ever wanted to do was be a an architect but specifically a an architect but specifically a an architect but specifically designing McDonald's play places. So, I designing McDonald's play places. So, I designing McDonald's play places. So, I remember I my like white sheet of paper remember I my like white sheet of paper remember I my like white sheet of paper and my pencil and my rule and I'm like, and my pencil and my rule and I'm like, and my pencil and my rule and I'm like, "Okay, you're going to start here and "Okay, you're going to start here and "Okay, you're going to start here and the ball pit's going to be here. There's

the ball pit's going to be here. There's the ball pit's going to be here. There's going to be these tubes." Like, I got going to be these tubes." Like, I got going to be these tubes." Like, I got all these cool designs, which is kind of all these cool designs, which is kind of all these cool designs, which is kind of full circle moment because now we have full circle moment because now we have full circle moment because now we have Crunch Labs, which is like our Crunch Labs, which is like our Crunch Labs, which is like our headquarters, which is like a Willy headquarters, which is like a Willy headquarters, which is like a Willy Wonka factory for engineering that has Wonka factory for engineering that has Wonka factory for engineering that has secret passageways and foam pits and, secret passageways and foam pits and, secret passageways and foam pits and, you know, pistons and pianos that play you know, pistons and pianos that play you know, pistons and pianos that play themselves and and staircases. It's an themselves and and staircases. It's an themselves and and staircases. It's an infinite slinky staircase in a robot you infinite slinky staircase in a robot you infinite slinky staircase in a robot you can play rock paper scissors against can play rock paper scissors against can play rock paper scissors against that you can never beat. So it's like that you can never beat. So it's like that you can never beat. So it's like that actually my first job I wanted I that actually my first job I wanted I that actually my first job I wanted I eventually got just in the very secure eventually got just in the very secure eventually got just in the very secure securest route. Um, so yeah, and then securest route. Um, so yeah, and then securest route. Um, so yeah, and then and then I think specifically when I and then I think specifically when I and then I think specifically when I took high school physics, I was just took high school physics, I was just took high school physics, I was just like, "Oh, this feels very good that like, "Oh, this feels very good that like, "Oh, this feels very good that like I can predict the world around me like I can predict the world around me like I can predict the world around me with math and equations and there's one with math and equations and there's one with math and equations and there's one right answer and it doesn't matter where right answer and it doesn't matter where right answer and it doesn't matter where I grew up or what language I speak, you I grew up or what language I speak, you I grew up or what language I speak, you know, if I drop this rock off the know, if I drop this rock off the know, if I drop this rock off the building, like we will all come up with building, like we will all come up with building, like we will all come up with the same answer." And then not just the same answer." And then not just the same answer." And then not just that, you can literally predict the that, you can literally predict the that, you can literally predict the future. You can build something that you future. You can build something that you future. You can build something that you can send to Mars that having never gone can send to Mars that having never gone can send to Mars that having never gone there, it's like, well, we have the there, it's like, well, we have the there, it's like, well, we have the equations. It should actually hit the equations. It should actually hit the equations. It should actually hit the planet if we launch at this point when planet if we launch at this point when planet if we launch at this point when it's, you know, 90 it's, you know, 90 it's, you know, 90 m million miles away. If we launch at m million miles away. If we launch at m million miles away. If we launch at this velocity, at this trajectory, like this velocity, at this trajectory, like this velocity, at this trajectory, like eventually those two should hit and then eventually those two should hit and then eventually those two should hit and then we could get from the upper atmosphere we could get from the upper atmosphere we could get from the upper atmosphere 25,000 miles an hour down to a 25,000 miles an hour down to a 25,000 miles an hour down to a comfortable six miles an hour to land in comfortable six miles an hour to land in comfortable six miles an hour to land in seven minutes. It's like you can predict seven minutes. It's like you can predict seven minutes. It's like you can predict all of these things and that it's like a all of these things and that it's like a all of these things and that it's like a crystal ball that actually works and

crystal ball that actually works and crystal ball that actually works and that is very appealing to me. that is very appealing to me. that is very appealing to me. >> And a lot of folks who have shared some >> And a lot of folks who have shared some >> And a lot of folks who have shared some questions about your your story or your questions about your your story or your questions about your your story or your journey uh are just curious about journey uh are just curious about journey uh are just curious about engineering specifically like how did engineering specifically like how did engineering specifically like how did you know that that was the path when you you know that that was the path when you you know that that was the path when you think about all the things you could be think about all the things you could be think about all the things you could be in the STEM world that this was where in the STEM world that this was where in the STEM world that this was where you wanted to to go? Yeah, I think you wanted to to go? Yeah, I think you wanted to to go? Yeah, I think specifically mechanical engineering specifically mechanical engineering specifically mechanical engineering really appealed to me versus like really appealed to me versus like really appealed to me versus like electrical because I like to be able to electrical because I like to be able to electrical because I like to be able to see and create and build something see and create and build something see and create and build something physical I can touch. Um because there's physical I can touch. Um because there's physical I can touch. Um because there's a lot of different engineering. Um and I a lot of different engineering. Um and I a lot of different engineering. Um and I don't know, it's just one of those don't know, it's just one of those don't know, it's just one of those things like the more I I I got into it, things like the more I I I got into it, things like the more I I I got into it, the more I was like, "Oh, I like this." the more I was like, "Oh, I like this." the more I was like, "Oh, I like this." And then straight out of school, I got a And then straight out of school, I got a And then straight out of school, I got a job. I just got really lucky job. I just got really lucky job. I just got really lucky to work at NASA. you know, my resume was to work at NASA. you know, my resume was to work at NASA. you know, my resume was just in a pile of résumés. Right place just in a pile of résumés. Right place just in a pile of résumés. Right place at the right time. at the right time. at the right time. Um, and I think that what's the saying? Um, and I think that what's the saying? Um, and I think that what's the saying? Something like fortune is what happened Something like fortune is what happened Something like fortune is what happened when preparation meets luck or when preparation meets luck or when preparation meets luck or something. And certainly I got a little something. And certainly I got a little something. And certainly I got a little lucky. And yeah, and then I was at NASA lucky. And yeah, and then I was at NASA lucky. And yeah, and then I was at NASA for a decade. Seven of those were for a decade. Seven of those were for a decade. Seven of those were working on the Mars Curiosity Rover. So working on the Mars Curiosity Rover. So working on the Mars Curiosity Rover. So my hardware is my hardware is my hardware is >> up there on Mars. I think currently it's >> up there on Mars. I think currently it's >> up there on Mars. I think currently it's 120 million miles away. You can see it 120 million miles away. You can see it 120 million miles away. You can see it in the night sky. the little red dot and in the night sky. the little red dot and in the night sky. the little red dot and I know that like I touched and designed I know that like I touched and designed I know that like I touched and designed and built and tested and integrated and built and tested and integrated and built and tested and integrated something that's on that specific dot in something that's on that specific dot in something that's on that specific dot in the sky um is really cool. Another the sky um is really cool. Another the sky um is really cool. Another actually another really cool thing about actually another really cool thing about actually another really cool thing about Mars is really fun

Mars is really fun Mars is really fun >> is there's not really a lot of oxygen so >> is there's not really a lot of oxygen so >> is there's not really a lot of oxygen so things don't break down and like rust things don't break down and like rust things don't break down and like rust basically. So long after us humans are basically. So long after us humans are basically. So long after us humans are gone and all of our structures and gone and all of our structures and gone and all of our structures and everything has crumbled away and nature everything has crumbled away and nature everything has crumbled away and nature has just taken over everything in a has just taken over everything in a has just taken over everything in a million years, aliens will come and million years, aliens will come and million years, aliens will come and they'll see these rovers on Mars and they'll see these rovers on Mars and they'll see these rovers on Mars and just be like, "What the heck? Where did just be like, "What the heck? Where did just be like, "What the heck? Where did these come from?" Like what? I don't get these come from?" Like what? I don't get these come from?" Like what? I don't get it. it. it. >> Yeah. You've like built these things >> Yeah. You've like built these things >> Yeah. You've like built these things that will out outlast and outlive you that will out outlast and outlive you that will out outlast and outlive you and and probably all of us on this call and and probably all of us on this call and and probably all of us on this call in some way. in some way. in some way. >> All of us and everything we've built >> All of us and everything we've built >> All of us and everything we've built like you know what I mean? like in a like you know what I mean? like in a like you know what I mean? like in a million years they'll still be there and million years they'll still be there and million years they'll still be there and every single structure on Earth is every single structure on Earth is every single structure on Earth is crumbled away into dust. crumbled away into dust. crumbled away into dust. >> So it's like pretty wild. >> So it's like pretty wild. >> So it's like pretty wild. >> You know, you liken what you do to sort >> You know, you liken what you do to sort >> You know, you liken what you do to sort of like hiding the vegetables, right? of like hiding the vegetables, right? of like hiding the vegetables, right? Like you're essentially wrapping like Like you're essentially wrapping like Like you're essentially wrapping like important hard to swallow things in important hard to swallow things in important hard to swallow things in >> glitter and things like that. Um and you >> glitter and things like that. Um and you >> glitter and things like that. Um and you do it using like humor and spectacle and do it using like humor and spectacle and do it using like humor and spectacle and um you know, now you're offering the um you know, now you're offering the um you know, now you're offering the blueprint for people to to do this blueprint for people to to do this blueprint for people to to do this themselves. And I'm I'm sure there are a themselves. And I'm I'm sure there are a themselves. And I'm I'm sure there are a lot of teachers though who watch and lot of teachers though who watch and lot of teachers though who watch and think, you know, well, but I'm I'm not think, you know, well, but I'm I'm not think, you know, well, but I'm I'm not Mark Robber and I can't do it the way Mark Robber and I can't do it the way Mark Robber and I can't do it the way that you do it. So, like what would you that you do it. So, like what would you that you do it. So, like what would you say to people who feel like they don't say to people who feel like they don't say to people who feel like they don't have the the personality, I guess, to have the the personality, I guess, to have the the personality, I guess, to pull some of this off?

pull some of this off? pull some of this off? >> Yeah, I would say I mean, and this is >> Yeah, I would say I mean, and this is >> Yeah, I would say I mean, and this is like the point in the TED talk was like like the point in the TED talk was like like the point in the TED talk was like the trick to make a video go viral. The the trick to make a video go viral. The the trick to make a video go viral. The trick to sort of like remembering, this trick to sort of like remembering, this trick to sort of like remembering, this is kind of like how I framed it, is like is kind of like how I framed it, is like is kind of like how I framed it, is like you just have to feel something in your you just have to feel something in your you just have to feel something in your heart. Like if you want to reach heart. Like if you want to reach heart. Like if you want to reach someone's brain, you have to enter someone's brain, you have to enter someone's brain, you have to enter through the heart. You can't you can't through the heart. You can't you can't through the heart. You can't you can't start here. start here. start here. >> This is why, you know, if you're trying >> This is why, you know, if you're trying >> This is why, you know, if you're trying to convince someone out of like a being to convince someone out of like a being to convince someone out of like a being a conspiracy theorist or something, a conspiracy theorist or something, a conspiracy theorist or something, someone who believes the earth is flat, someone who believes the earth is flat, someone who believes the earth is flat, you can't go to them with a list of you can't go to them with a list of you can't go to them with a list of facts and like try and reach their brain facts and like try and reach their brain facts and like try and reach their brain of why it's not flat. Like you can't of why it's not flat. Like you can't of why it's not flat. Like you can't reason someone out of a position they reason someone out of a position they reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Like the didn't reason themselves into. Like the didn't reason themselves into. Like the reason they got into that is they had a reason they got into that is they had a reason they got into that is they had a friend and like it was a community and friend and like it was a community and friend and like it was a community and they're feeling they're getting they're feeling they're getting they're feeling they're getting something here that feels really something here that feels really something here that feels really worthwhile and so you got to start here. worthwhile and so you got to start here. worthwhile and so you got to start here. And for me that is in the TED talk. Blow And for me that is in the TED talk. Blow And for me that is in the TED talk. Blow up this trash can full of ping pong up this trash can full of ping pong up this trash can full of ping pong balls, right? Or it's someone stole a balls, right? Or it's someone stole a balls, right? Or it's someone stole a package from my house and everyone knows package from my house and everyone knows package from my house and everyone knows that feeling. So, I, you know, that feeling. So, I, you know, that feeling. So, I, you know, engineered a glitter bomb with fart engineered a glitter bomb with fart engineered a glitter bomb with fart spray to get them back that records them spray to get them back that records them spray to get them back that records them on four phones and uploads it to the on four phones and uploads it to the on four phones and uploads it to the cloud. Like, you have to evoke some kind cloud. Like, you have to evoke some kind cloud. Like, you have to evoke some kind of visceral reaction for people to of visceral reaction for people to of visceral reaction for people to remember it, for people to care, to remember it, for people to care, to remember it, for people to care, to affect change. And so, I think that's affect change. And so, I think that's affect change. And so, I think that's step one. And even in the talk I did step one. And even in the talk I did step one. And even in the talk I did this like in a meta I don't know how this like in a meta I don't know how this like in a meta I don't know how many people even picked up on this but many people even picked up on this but many people even picked up on this but at the end when I was like talking about at the end when I was like talking about at the end when I was like talking about class crunch labs and you know I said class crunch labs and you know I said class crunch labs and you know I said like so to all those teachers out there

like so to all those teachers out there like so to all those teachers out there in the trenches like I want you to know in the trenches like I want you to know in the trenches like I want you to know reinforcements are on the way like when reinforcements are on the way like when reinforcements are on the way like when I got to that punchline like I was very I got to that punchline like I was very I got to that punchline like I was very adamant that Ted let me like play music adamant that Ted let me like play music adamant that Ted let me like play music not just in the video but in the not just in the video but in the not just in the video but in the auditorium because it's like this is me auditorium because it's like this is me auditorium because it's like this is me demonstrating my point of how you hide demonstrating my point of how you hide demonstrating my point of how you hide the vegetables of how you get people to the vegetables of how you get people to the vegetables of how you get people to remember of how you have impact is like remember of how you have impact is like remember of how you have impact is like you have to feel something here and you have to feel something here and you have to feel something here and music helps with that. And so, you know, music helps with that. And so, you know, music helps with that. And so, you know, if if if you're a teacher out there and if if if you're a teacher out there and if if if you're a teacher out there and you're feeling like you're not like you're feeling like you're not like you're feeling like you're not like reaching the kids, like start here, not reaching the kids, like start here, not reaching the kids, like start here, not here, you're not it's not like if you here, you're not it's not like if you here, you're not it's not like if you just used a slight different word to just used a slight different word to just used a slight different word to explain it, you know, then it's going to explain it, you know, then it's going to explain it, you know, then it's going to work. like they don't they don't care work. like they don't they don't care work. like they don't they don't care what you know until they know that you what you know until they know that you what you know until they know that you care and that it it kind of speaks to care and that it it kind of speaks to care and that it it kind of speaks to that and so I think if you if you start that and so I think if you if you start that and so I think if you if you start them knowing that you care even if it's them knowing that you care even if it's them knowing that you care even if it's just like in your level of effort and just like in your level of effort and just like in your level of effort and like paying attention to them like you like paying attention to them like you like paying attention to them like you will you will I think you'll find it's will you will I think you'll find it's will you will I think you'll find it's easier to reach them here and that this easier to reach them here and that this easier to reach them here and that this look this is the beauty of class crunch look this is the beauty of class crunch look this is the beauty of class crunch labs too is like I do realize that you labs too is like I do realize that you labs too is like I do realize that you know people have different skill sets know people have different skill sets know people have different skill sets and abilities right and for whatever and abilities right and for whatever and abilities right and for whatever reason the way we teach science, we have reason the way we teach science, we have reason the way we teach science, we have solved a lot of that motivation gap, solved a lot of that motivation gap, solved a lot of that motivation gap, which is like 90% of the challenge of which is like 90% of the challenge of which is like 90% of the challenge of teaching. And so it's like, let's team teaching. And so it's like, let's team teaching. And so it's like, let's team up. Like I can't do this on my own. You up. Like I can't do this on my own. You up. Like I can't do this on my own. You can't just play a video in a class and can't just play a video in a class and can't just play a video in a class and expect it to actually teach them like, expect it to actually teach them like, expect it to actually teach them like, but let's team up. So that's the whole

but let's team up. So that's the whole but let's team up. So that's the whole point of class crunch labs is I kick it point of class crunch labs is I kick it point of class crunch labs is I kick it off with a video and then the teacher off with a video and then the teacher off with a video and then the teacher takes it over and it's like asking takes it over and it's like asking takes it over and it's like asking engaging questions and like getting them engaging questions and like getting them engaging questions and like getting them going and then I come back with the going and then I come back with the going and then I come back with the video and I throw it back to the video and I throw it back to the video and I throw it back to the teacher. So like that's the only way teacher. So like that's the only way teacher. So like that's the only way this could work and that's kind of the this could work and that's kind of the this could work and that's kind of the premise behind it premise behind it premise behind it >> that it will it will feel like sort of >> that it will it will feel like sort of >> that it will it will feel like sort of co-eing with you in a way. 100% it'll co-eing with you in a way. 100% it'll co-eing with you in a way. 100% it'll feel like co-eing and honestly the feel like co-eing and honestly the feel like co-eing and honestly the teacher still the teacher is the hero to teacher still the teacher is the hero to teacher still the teacher is the hero to be very clear and I'm kind of just like be very clear and I'm kind of just like be very clear and I'm kind of just like teeing it up for them you know and just teeing it up for them you know and just teeing it up for them you know and just like hey kids I'm gonna say this thing like hey kids I'm gonna say this thing like hey kids I'm gonna say this thing now your teacher's going to take it from now your teacher's going to take it from now your teacher's going to take it from here you know and they become the focal here you know and they become the focal here you know and they become the focal point and I just keep like teeing it up point and I just keep like teeing it up point and I just keep like teeing it up you know giving them an assist you know giving them an assist you know giving them an assist >> I love that you you know you mentioned >> I love that you you know you mentioned >> I love that you you know you mentioned at one point during our conversation at one point during our conversation at one point during our conversation that this is a generation of of kids who that this is a generation of of kids who that this is a generation of of kids who are consuming things differently it's are consuming things differently it's are consuming things differently it's not you not you not you It's not Bill Nye's science generation It's not Bill Nye's science generation It's not Bill Nye's science generation of consumers. Um, and I guess when you of consumers. Um, and I guess when you of consumers. Um, and I guess when you think about where kids are today, do you think about where kids are today, do you think about where kids are today, do you think there's a a bigger appetite for think there's a a bigger appetite for think there's a a bigger appetite for for the kind of content you're creating for the kind of content you're creating for the kind of content you're creating now than there might have been a decade now than there might have been a decade now than there might have been a decade ago because of how people are looking at ago because of how people are looking at ago because of how people are looking at stuff online?

stuff online? stuff online? >> Yeah, it's a good question. I would say >> Yeah, it's a good question. I would say >> Yeah, it's a good question. I would say like [snorts] I mean human brains don't like [snorts] I mean human brains don't like [snorts] I mean human brains don't change that much from a single change that much from a single change that much from a single generation to a single generation. I generation to a single generation. I generation to a single generation. I mean it takes hundreds if not thousands mean it takes hundreds if not thousands mean it takes hundreds if not thousands of generations to like have us evolve. of generations to like have us evolve. of generations to like have us evolve. So I think the raw DNA was always there, So I think the raw DNA was always there, So I think the raw DNA was always there, but just like the ability um but just like the ability um but just like the ability um I think like yeah the ability the fact I think like yeah the ability the fact I think like yeah the ability the fact that YouTube even exists that you know that YouTube even exists that you know that YouTube even exists that you know when I grew up you'd have to wake up on when I grew up you'd have to wake up on when I grew up you'd have to wake up on Saturday if you want to see a cartoon Saturday if you want to see a cartoon Saturday if you want to see a cartoon set your alarm and you get two hours of set your alarm and you get two hours of set your alarm and you get two hours of it on like ABC on Saturday morning and it on like ABC on Saturday morning and it on like ABC on Saturday morning and now you can just like every cartoon that now you can just like every cartoon that now you can just like every cartoon that is ever invented every single episode is is ever invented every single episode is is ever invented every single episode is available in like a window. So, it's available in like a window. So, it's available in like a window. So, it's like you have all this content here. Um, like you have all this content here. Um, like you have all this content here. Um, which is a which is a blessing and a which is a which is a blessing and a which is a which is a blessing and a curse. It's like it's it makes it curse. It's like it's it makes it curse. It's like it's it makes it challenging. You know, I I have to challenging. You know, I I have to challenging. You know, I I have to constantly up up update sort of how I'm constantly up up update sort of how I'm constantly up up update sort of how I'm doing what I'm doing to stay, you know, doing what I'm doing to stay, you know, doing what I'm doing to stay, you know, the audience appetite can change and the audience appetite can change and the audience appetite can change and what used to be spectacle and what used to be spectacle and what used to be spectacle and interesting and make you have that interesting and make you have that interesting and make you have that visual reaction 10 years ago like it visual reaction 10 years ago like it visual reaction 10 years ago like it takes more now, right? So it is this takes more now, right? So it is this takes more now, right? So it is this almost like arms race of of keeping the almost like arms race of of keeping the almost like arms race of of keeping the content interesting and relevant um such content interesting and relevant um such content interesting and relevant um such that I can evoke that visceral reaction that I can evoke that visceral reaction that I can evoke that visceral reaction and then reach the brain with like the and then reach the brain with like the and then reach the brain with like the cool thing I want them to remember. But cool thing I want them to remember. But cool thing I want them to remember. But I it's a challenge but it's one I I it's a challenge but it's one I I it's a challenge but it's one I welcome and I think it's really fun and welcome and I think it's really fun and welcome and I think it's really fun and it keeps it fresh and interesting for me

it keeps it fresh and interesting for me it keeps it fresh and interesting for me you know you know you know >> and of course there's like a debate you >> and of course there's like a debate you >> and of course there's like a debate you know that's happening out there about know that's happening out there about know that's happening out there about screens and kids and attention and of screens and kids and attention and of screens and kids and attention and of course you're course you're course you're >> most successful people on the planet at >> most successful people on the planet at >> most successful people on the planet at capturing uh people especially kids capturing uh people especially kids capturing uh people especially kids attentions on screens. So how do you attentions on screens. So how do you attentions on screens. So how do you think I guess when you when you factor think I guess when you when you factor think I guess when you when you factor the work you're doing into it? How do the work you're doing into it? How do the work you're doing into it? How do you think about the the role you play in you think about the the role you play in you think about the the role you play in in that conversation? And and in that conversation? And and in that conversation? And and >> yeah, I think an important part about it >> yeah, I think an important part about it >> yeah, I think an important part about it actually is that um and one of the early actually is that um and one of the early actually is that um and one of the early feedbacks we've got from these studies feedbacks we've got from these studies feedbacks we've got from these studies that they're doing. A big part that I I that they're doing. A big part that I I that they're doing. A big part that I I just briefly touched on the talk is we just briefly touched on the talk is we just briefly touched on the talk is we have the videos, we have the teacher have the videos, we have the teacher have the videos, we have the teacher leading them, but there's these hands-on leading them, but there's these hands-on leading them, but there's these hands-on activities where you're actually like activities where you're actually like activities where you're actually like say for example for kinetic energy, say for example for kinetic energy, say for example for kinetic energy, actually for potential energy. This is a actually for potential energy. This is a actually for potential energy. This is a really fun one. really fun one. really fun one. You build a little a little tower and You build a little a little tower and You build a little a little tower and then you know those water blobs that then you know those water blobs that then you know those water blobs that like you see sometimes at lake where like you see sometimes at lake where like you see sometimes at lake where someone jumps on and then someone goes someone jumps on and then someone goes someone jumps on and then someone goes flying. flying. flying. >> Well for potential energy you know the >> Well for potential energy you know the >> Well for potential energy you know the higher you well we actually don't say higher you well we actually don't say higher you well we actually don't say this but we we started out with this this but we we started out with this this but we we started out with this lesson that's the anchoring phenomenon.

lesson that's the anchoring phenomenon. lesson that's the anchoring phenomenon. So you're like that is interesting. So you're like that is interesting. So you're like that is interesting. We're showing people flying. We show a We're showing people flying. We show a We're showing people flying. We show a car go down and like a crash test dummy car go down and like a crash test dummy car go down and like a crash test dummy go flying like all these visual things go flying like all these visual things go flying like all these visual things to get you hooked. But then in your to get you hooked. But then in your to get you hooked. But then in your classroom, you get a um you get like a classroom, you get a um you get like a classroom, you get a um you get like a Ziploc bag, you make your own blob and Ziploc bag, you make your own blob and Ziploc bag, you make your own blob and you make your own little tower and and you make your own little tower and and you make your own little tower and and then you have a little guy that goes then you have a little guy that goes then you have a little guy that goes flying and and we don't tell you the flying and and we don't tell you the flying and and we don't tell you the equation for potential energy, which is equation for potential energy, which is equation for potential energy, which is I'll say it here, which is mass times I'll say it here, which is mass times I'll say it here, which is mass times gravity times height, mgh. You just gravity times height, mgh. You just gravity times height, mgh. You just start dropping different things. And start dropping different things. And start dropping different things. And what you start to notice is that only what you start to notice is that only what you start to notice is that only two things affect how your guy goes two things affect how your guy goes two things affect how your guy goes flying. flying. flying. the higher you raise the thing that the higher you raise the thing that the higher you raise the thing that you're dropping that somehow seems to you're dropping that somehow seems to you're dropping that somehow seems to have an effect. And also if it's same have an effect. And also if it's same have an effect. And also if it's same height but heavier also seems to have height but heavier also seems to have height but heavier also seems to have effect and send your guy. So you're kind effect and send your guy. So you're kind effect and send your guy. So you're kind of like Scooby-Dooing your way to this of like Scooby-Dooing your way to this of like Scooby-Dooing your way to this equation without us even giving you. So equation without us even giving you. So equation without us even giving you. So you get like an intuition for it which you get like an intuition for it which you get like an intuition for it which is much more valuable than just is much more valuable than just is much more valuable than just memorizing an equation. But what's memorizing an equation. But what's memorizing an equation. But what's really fun is like the guy that goes really fun is like the guy that goes really fun is like the guy that goes flying, it's this little crash test flying, it's this little crash test flying, it's this little crash test dummy. And these can be really expensive dummy. And these can be really expensive dummy. And these can be really expensive that like force sensors to measure how that like force sensors to measure how that like force sensors to measure how much GeForce. And so the constraint I've much GeForce. And so the constraint I've much GeForce. And so the constraint I've given the toy engineers, you know, these given the toy engineers, you know, these given the toy engineers, you know, these product designers with engineering product designers with engineering product designers with engineering degrees is like it can't for a degrees is like it can't for a degrees is like it can't for a classroom, it can't cost $10, it can't classroom, it can't cost $10, it can't classroom, it can't cost $10, it can't cost $5, it has to cost zero dollars.

cost $5, it has to cost zero dollars. cost $5, it has to cost zero dollars. literally has to be made from just stuff literally has to be made from just stuff literally has to be made from just stuff teachers have lying around the classroom teachers have lying around the classroom teachers have lying around the classroom or you'd find in the trash can. And so or you'd find in the trash can. And so or you'd find in the trash can. And so for kinetic energy, we build these for kinetic energy, we build these for kinetic energy, we build these little cards, which are note card and little cards, which are note card and little cards, which are note card and and two, you know, binder clips and then and two, you know, binder clips and then and two, you know, binder clips and then like the tops of a um of like a soda like the tops of a um of like a soda like the tops of a um of like a soda bottle are the wheels that you poke a bottle are the wheels that you poke a bottle are the wheels that you poke a hole through. Um, and that and like so hole through. Um, and that and like so hole through. Um, and that and like so these hands-on activities that the kids these hands-on activities that the kids these hands-on activities that the kids are doing for each for each, you know, are doing for each for each, you know, are doing for each for each, you know, engineering or each principal, each engineering or each principal, each engineering or each principal, each science control are really where a lot science control are really where a lot science control are really where a lot of the learning is coming. Again, we're of the learning is coming. Again, we're of the learning is coming. Again, we're tacking it here. When your science when tacking it here. When your science when tacking it here. When your science when your blob guy goes flying like, "Oh my your blob guy goes flying like, "Oh my your blob guy goes flying like, "Oh my gosh, did you see mine? Look how high gosh, did you see mine? Look how high gosh, did you see mine? Look how high mine went." Suddenly, they're stoked. mine went." Suddenly, they're stoked. mine went." Suddenly, they're stoked. They're engaging. They're showing each They're engaging. They're showing each They're engaging. They're showing each other versus like sitting in a classroom other versus like sitting in a classroom other versus like sitting in a classroom and a teacher just sage on the stage and a teacher just sage on the stage and a teacher just sage on the stage being like potential energy is mass being like potential energy is mass being like potential energy is mass times gravity times height. Please times gravity times height. Please times gravity times height. Please memorize this. Right? You start the memorize this. Right? You start the memorize this. Right? You start the other way around. You start with the wow other way around. You start with the wow other way around. You start with the wow and then and then we give you the how. and then and then we give you the how. and then and then we give you the how. But you got to start with the part that But you got to start with the part that But you got to start with the part that engages your heart first. So that's the engages your heart first. So that's the engages your heart first. So that's the point is it's not just like sit back and point is it's not just like sit back and point is it's not just like sit back and listen to me tell you potential energies listen to me tell you potential energies listen to me tell you potential energies mgh. It's more like I tee up the mgh. It's more like I tee up the mgh. It's more like I tee up the problem. The anchoring phenomenon for problem. The anchoring phenomenon for problem. The anchoring phenomenon for that unit in potential energy is like, that unit in potential energy is like, that unit in potential energy is like, wait, why? Wait a second. Look, go back.

wait, why? Wait a second. Look, go back. wait, why? Wait a second. Look, go back. Play that back. Why did why did he go Play that back. Why did why did he go Play that back. Why did why did he go that the the kid go this high one time, that the the kid go this high one time, that the the kid go this high one time, but then the next time he went way but then the next time he went way but then the next time he went way higher? The heck's going on there? higher? The heck's going on there? higher? The heck's going on there? Right? And then the kids scooby-Doo Right? And then the kids scooby-Doo Right? And then the kids scooby-Doo their way to the answer, and we're never their way to the answer, and we're never their way to the answer, and we're never speedoon feeding. Each lesson, they get speedoon feeding. Each lesson, they get speedoon feeding. Each lesson, they get a little bit closer to that answer. It's a little bit closer to that answer. It's a little bit closer to that answer. It's it's kind of turning science education it's kind of turning science education it's kind of turning science education on its head. And we didn't even invent on its head. And we didn't even invent on its head. And we didn't even invent that. like open sed is a great example that. like open sed is a great example that. like open sed is a great example of a they kind of pioneered this in like of a they kind of pioneered this in like of a they kind of pioneered this in like 2019 like so they've done a great job um 2019 like so they've done a great job um 2019 like so they've done a great job um of like just showing how how much better of like just showing how how much better of like just showing how how much better you can teach science how much more can you can teach science how much more can you can teach science how much more can be remembered how much more exciting it be remembered how much more exciting it be remembered how much more exciting it could be if you do it this way versus could be if you do it this way versus could be if you do it this way versus just like I said sage on a stage here's just like I said sage on a stage here's just like I said sage on a stage here's the right answer memorize it the right answer memorize it the right answer memorize it >> or even just person on screen who's >> or even just person on screen who's >> or even just person on screen who's telling you you're in a lot telling you you're in a lot telling you you're in a lot >> person on screen the thing is it's very >> person on screen the thing is it's very >> person on screen the thing is it's very engaging ing and it's very like but also engaging ing and it's very like but also engaging ing and it's very like but also like uh almost half of the downloads so like uh almost half of the downloads so like uh almost half of the downloads so far of the pilot has been homeschool um far of the pilot has been homeschool um far of the pilot has been homeschool um uh folks who do homeschooling to make it uh folks who do homeschooling to make it uh folks who do homeschooling to make it engaging. So but even then they are engaging. So but even then they are engaging. So but even then they are seeing it on the screen but then they seeing it on the screen but then they seeing it on the screen but then they are taking it and they're doing stuff in are taking it and they're doing stuff in are taking it and they're doing stuff in real time. It's not just engaging on a real time. It's not just engaging on a real time. It's not just engaging on a screen. Um I I think you can't ignore screen. Um I I think you can't ignore screen. Um I I think you can't ignore that. And I'm really good friends with that. And I'm really good friends with that. And I'm really good friends with Sal Khan, you know, who does Khan Sal Khan, you know, who does Khan Sal Khan, you know, who does Khan Academy. um obviously very connected to Academy. um obviously very connected to Academy. um obviously very connected to Ted and you know and he's he's mentioned Ted and you know and he's he's mentioned Ted and you know and he's he's mentioned this like you know we'll probably this like you know we'll probably this like you know we'll probably partner up in some way. We are a yes and partner up in some way. We are a yes and partner up in some way. We are a yes and situation too like that's why we're

situation too like that's why we're situation too like that's why we're telling everyone they can use our telling everyone they can use our telling everyone they can use our curriculum. If other people are doing curriculum. If other people are doing curriculum. If other people are doing curriculum they should come to Crunch curriculum they should come to Crunch curriculum they should come to Crunch Labs. We'll show them what we're doing. Labs. We'll show them what we're doing. Labs. We'll show them what we're doing. We'll share notes. This is a rising tide We'll share notes. This is a rising tide We'll share notes. This is a rising tide you know raises all boat situation. We you know raises all boat situation. We you know raises all boat situation. We want this to work for home school, want this to work for home school, want this to work for home school, charter school, private school, title charter school, private school, title charter school, private school, title one schools, like everything. This is a one schools, like everything. This is a one schools, like everything. This is a shotgun approach and that's why we're shotgun approach and that's why we're shotgun approach and that's why we're making it free is because as soon as you making it free is because as soon as you making it free is because as soon as you charge a dollar it creates this charge a dollar it creates this charge a dollar it creates this friction. So we just want to create this friction. So we just want to create this friction. So we just want to create this goodness and if people even there's goodness and if people even there's goodness and if people even there's people who charge for curriculum people who charge for curriculum people who charge for curriculum uh you know and if they want to use our uh you know and if they want to use our uh you know and if they want to use our curriculum in theirs and charge for it curriculum in theirs and charge for it curriculum in theirs and charge for it fine you know maybe they have to pay a fine you know maybe they have to pay a fine you know maybe they have to pay a license fee to donate to our nonprofit license fee to donate to our nonprofit license fee to donate to our nonprofit which is crunchlabs.org But like which is crunchlabs.org But like which is crunchlabs.org But like everyone this is open source like anyone everyone this is open source like anyone everyone this is open source like anyone can use this you know what I mean like can use this you know what I mean like can use this you know what I mean like we don't have our only goal is just we don't have our only goal is just we don't have our only goal is just reach and impact there's no world where reach and impact there's no world where reach and impact there's no world where we make any money off this. we make any money off this. we make any money off this. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we have a question >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we have a question >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we have a question from Shendy S about, you know, how far from Shendy S about, you know, how far from Shendy S about, you know, how far this reach goes, you know, wondering if this reach goes, you know, wondering if this reach goes, you know, wondering if there's there's there's interest and opportunity in making this interest and opportunity in making this interest and opportunity in making this accessible to people who who are outside accessible to people who who are outside accessible to people who who are outside of the US at some point. And, you know, of the US at some point. And, you know, of the US at some point. And, you know, >> 100%. That is the ultimate goal. We >> 100%. That is the ultimate goal. We >> 100%. That is the ultimate goal. We we're very good at walking, you know, we're very good at walking, you know, we're very good at walking, you know, crawling before we walk, walking before crawling before we walk, walking before crawling before we walk, walking before we run. Um, a lot of our downloads, it's we run. Um, a lot of our downloads, it's we run. Um, a lot of our downloads, it's free. You can go to crosscrunchlabs.org free. You can go to crosscrunchlabs.org free. You can go to crosscrunchlabs.org and you can download all the curriculum.

and you can download all the curriculum. and you can download all the curriculum. They're editable. So like even the They're editable. So like even the They're editable. So like even the curriculum, it's not like a PDF. We put curriculum, it's not like a PDF. We put curriculum, it's not like a PDF. We put it in Google Docs. So you could take it in Google Docs. So you could take it in Google Docs. So you could take that and you could copy and paste it, that and you could copy and paste it, that and you could copy and paste it, you could change it and make it whatever you could change it and make it whatever you could change it and make it whatever you want to make it exactly what you you want to make it exactly what you you want to make it exactly what you want. Um and eventually we will, you want. Um and eventually we will, you want. Um and eventually we will, you know, once we nail it in the US and like know, once we nail it in the US and like know, once we nail it in the US and like have it figured out, then yeah, it is a have it figured out, then yeah, it is a have it figured out, then yeah, it is a it's a matter of of scaling that it's a matter of of scaling that it's a matter of of scaling that worldwide. worldwide. worldwide. And you know, I think there are science And you know, I think there are science And you know, I think there are science standards in the US. I think there are standards in the US. I think there are standards in the US. I think there are another a number of countries who are another a number of countries who are another a number of countries who are starting to adopt our science standards starting to adopt our science standards starting to adopt our science standards um and that makes it easier but you know um and that makes it easier but you know um and that makes it easier but you know you got to start somewhere because you got to start somewhere because you got to start somewhere because currently different countries do have currently different countries do have currently different countries do have like slightly different standards like slightly different standards like slightly different standards instead of trying to make something for instead of trying to make something for instead of trying to make something for everything. We'll make it for ours. We everything. We'll make it for ours. We everything. We'll make it for ours. We know we signed standards and we know 95% know we signed standards and we know 95% know we signed standards and we know 95% of that will be pretty applicable to of that will be pretty applicable to of that will be pretty applicable to others but then you know country by others but then you know country by others but then you know country by country we can slightly tweak it as country we can slightly tweak it as country we can slightly tweak it as needed. needed. needed. Well, I think thinking about just sort Well, I think thinking about just sort Well, I think thinking about just sort of the future and where things head um of the future and where things head um of the future and where things head um not just for for Crunch Labs, but in for not just for for Crunch Labs, but in for not just for for Crunch Labs, but in for science education in general, especially science education in general, especially science education in general, especially online. um you know everyone of course online. um you know everyone of course online. um you know everyone of course like so many conversations all roads like so many conversations all roads like so many conversations all roads lead to artificial intelligence and how lead to artificial intelligence and how lead to artificial intelligence and how that factors in and what like for you that factors in and what like for you that factors in and what like for you when you think about the work you do if when you think about the work you do if when you think about the work you do if you're thinking you know 20 years ahead you're thinking you know 20 years ahead you're thinking you know 20 years ahead when we have and even today we have AI when we have and even today we have AI when we have and even today we have AI tutors and VR classrooms all of that tutors and VR classrooms all of that tutors and VR classrooms all of that like what is how does that change what a like what is how does that change what a like what is how does that change what a human like you or a teacher looks like human like you or a teacher looks like human like you or a teacher looks like in in that equation?

in in that equation? in in that equation? >> Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I >> Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I >> Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I think as you get I mean, I I have this think as you get I mean, I I have this think as you get I mean, I I have this piece of glass and metal here that I can piece of glass and metal here that I can piece of glass and metal here that I can use my thumbs to touch in a very use my thumbs to touch in a very use my thumbs to touch in a very specific way and get an answer, a very specific way and get an answer, a very specific way and get an answer, a very good answer to any question on Earth. good answer to any question on Earth. good answer to any question on Earth. Any question I could potentially ask, Any question I could potentially ask, Any question I could potentially ask, even if it's very personal to me and my even if it's very personal to me and my even if it's very personal to me and my inputs in my world, like I can get a a inputs in my world, like I can get a a inputs in my world, like I can get a a very good answer. And so the real skill very good answer. And so the real skill very good answer. And so the real skill becomes becomes becomes asking the question, the right question asking the question, the right question asking the question, the right question or even asking a question period. In or even asking a question period. In or even asking a question period. In other words, curiosity. other words, curiosity. other words, curiosity. And I think as AI becomes more and more And I think as AI becomes more and more And I think as AI becomes more and more like things that inspire curiosity like things that inspire curiosity like things that inspire curiosity and and that reach here become more and and that reach here become more and and that reach here become more important than ever. Um, and I I see it important than ever. Um, and I I see it important than ever. Um, and I I see it I think AI could be a great tool. I mean I think AI could be a great tool. I mean I think AI could be a great tool. I mean there's one example which I really love. there's one example which I really love. there's one example which I really love. I was thinking about the other day where I was thinking about the other day where I was thinking about the other day where it's like even in a classroom if they it's like even in a classroom if they it's like even in a classroom if they have you know some some classrooms do have you know some some classrooms do have you know some some classrooms do have computers there there could be a have computers there there could be a have computers there there could be a situation where there's like an AI Mark situation where there's like an AI Mark situation where there's like an AI Mark Robber or AI BAM who's also is one of Robber or AI BAM who's also is one of Robber or AI BAM who's also is one of our toy engineers at Crunch Labs that our toy engineers at Crunch Labs that our toy engineers at Crunch Labs that everyone loves everyone loves everyone loves >> where her or I it's like all right >> where her or I it's like all right >> where her or I it's like all right design your catapult you know for this design your catapult you know for this design your catapult you know for this potential potential like design it and potential potential like design it and potential potential like design it and then show it to AI Mark Rover you know then show it to AI Mark Rover you know then show it to AI Mark Rover you know and then I look at it and it's an AI and then I look at it and it's an AI and then I look at it and it's an AI version of It's like, "Oo, that's really version of It's like, "Oo, that's really version of It's like, "Oo, that's really good, but what where's your energy good, but what where's your energy good, but what where's your energy source? You might want to relook at source? You might want to relook at source? You might want to relook at that." And then they go back and then

that." And then they go back and then that." And then they go back and then they show it to me again. I'm like, "I they show it to me again. I'm like, "I they show it to me again. I'm like, "I love that. That's so good. Raise your love that. That's so good. Raise your love that. That's so good. Raise your hand. Tell your teacher you're ready." hand. Tell your teacher you're ready." hand. Tell your teacher you're ready." So, it's like I'm actually kind of like So, it's like I'm actually kind of like So, it's like I'm actually kind of like tutoring each each, you know, me or Bam tutoring each each, you know, me or Bam tutoring each each, you know, me or Bam or someone is like working with them. or someone is like working with them. or someone is like working with them. And then there's the teacher. But I And then there's the teacher. But I And then there's the teacher. But I think you I think you'll always need a think you I think you'll always need a think you I think you'll always need a human element there. Even if it's like human element there. Even if it's like human element there. Even if it's like that and it's like a simulated human that and it's like a simulated human that and it's like a simulated human element, just like a robot coming in and element, just like a robot coming in and element, just like a robot coming in and teaching you something, I I think you're teaching you something, I I think you're teaching you something, I I think you're fighting against a couple million years fighting against a couple million years fighting against a couple million years of evolution there that like that's of evolution there that like that's of evolution there that like that's never really going to do it. So, it's never really going to do it. So, it's never really going to do it. So, it's like how do you combine how do you make like how do you combine how do you make like how do you combine how do you make the best out of it? I don't think it's the best out of it? I don't think it's the best out of it? I don't think it's the right answer to be like isue the right answer to be like isue the right answer to be like isue everything AI and be like absolutely everything AI and be like absolutely everything AI and be like absolutely not. No, I don't think it's the right not. No, I don't think it's the right not. No, I don't think it's the right answer to just a robot should be doing answer to just a robot should be doing answer to just a robot should be doing all of these things. So, it's like all of these things. So, it's like all of these things. So, it's like what's the best of both worlds? How do what's the best of both worlds? How do what's the best of both worlds? How do you combine those in a way that's like you combine those in a way that's like you combine those in a way that's like um that maximizes the impact? And I I um that maximizes the impact? And I I um that maximizes the impact? And I I think there's going to be some great think there's going to be some great think there's going to be some great ideas there. Yeah, I think there's ideas there. Yeah, I think there's ideas there. Yeah, I think there's really powerful, you know, another good really powerful, you know, another good really powerful, you know, another good example is like what we're making with example is like what we're making with example is like what we're making with Class Crunch Labs is the fresh Class Crunch Labs is the fresh Class Crunch Labs is the fresh ingredients, you know, but you can you ingredients, you know, but you can you ingredients, you know, but you can you can make different meals with those can make different meals with those can make different meals with those fresh raw ingredients. So a teacher fresh raw ingredients. So a teacher fresh raw ingredients. So a teacher could be like, "Look, I have 17 could be like, "Look, I have 17 could be like, "Look, I have 17 students. You know, half of them have students. You know, half of them have students. You know, half of them have this learning disability. Um, we've this learning disability. Um, we've this learning disability. Um, we've already covered this topic and this already covered this topic and this already covered this topic and this topic. They struggled with this. They topic. They struggled with this. They topic. They struggled with this. They nailed this.

nailed this. nailed this. >> Take the cross climbs ingredient this >> Take the cross climbs ingredient this >> Take the cross climbs ingredient this next unit and customize it for me." next unit and customize it for me." next unit and customize it for me." Right? And it would be really good at Right? And it would be really good at Right? And it would be really good at moving all the ingredients. Okay. This moving all the ingredients. Okay. This moving all the ingredients. Okay. This is this is going to speak just to what is this is going to speak just to what is this is going to speak just to what you need. But you got to start with you need. But you got to start with you need. But you got to start with something good. the input has to be good something good. the input has to be good something good. the input has to be good to get a a quality output. And so I I I to get a a quality output. And so I I I to get a a quality output. And so I I I see like that's another really great use see like that's another really great use see like that's another really great use case where AI would be awesome with case where AI would be awesome with case where AI would be awesome with this. this. this. >> It's it's more Yes. And it seems like >> It's it's more Yes. And it seems like >> It's it's more Yes. And it seems like just how can you do both? just how can you do both? just how can you do both? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, Mark, we have some fun questions >> Well, Mark, we have some fun questions >> Well, Mark, we have some fun questions from from kids um who are either of from from kids um who are either of from from kids um who are either of members or somehow became TED members members or somehow became TED members members or somehow became TED members themselves before before they um became themselves before before they um became themselves before before they um became adults. Um and so I'm going to share adults. Um and so I'm going to share adults. Um and so I'm going to share some of those with you. Um, usually some of those with you. Um, usually some of those with you. Um, usually people don't put their age when they people don't put their age when they people don't put their age when they share a question, but we have a lot of share a question, but we have a lot of share a question, but we have a lot of that. So, Winston K, who's eight, um, that. So, Winston K, who's eight, um, that. So, Winston K, who's eight, um, asked if you plan to visit space one day asked if you plan to visit space one day asked if you plan to visit space one day and how common will do you think space and how common will do you think space and how common will do you think space travel will be by 2040? travel will be by 2040? travel will be by 2040? >> Winston. What a great By when? >> Winston. What a great By when? >> Winston. What a great By when? >> 2040. >> 2040. >> 2040. >> Which is soon. It's soon.

>> Which is soon. It's soon. >> Which is soon. It's soon. >> Yeah, 2040. I I think we'll definitely >> Yeah, 2040. I I think we'll definitely >> Yeah, 2040. I I think we'll definitely be on Mars. Um, I was just at I don't be on Mars. Um, I was just at I don't be on Mars. Um, I was just at I don't know if I'm allowed how much I'm allowed know if I'm allowed how much I'm allowed know if I'm allowed how much I'm allowed to say, but I will say three days ago I to say, but I will say three days ago I to say, but I will say three days ago I was at SpaceX was at SpaceX was at SpaceX um talking about something potentially um talking about something potentially um talking about something potentially in the next year or two. Um, if in the next year or two. Um, if in the next year or two. Um, if everything goes right. So, space is everything goes right. So, space is everything goes right. So, space is definitely in my near future. definitely in my near future. definitely in my near future. Um, Um, Um, uh, also there's some man, there's so uh, also there's some man, there's so uh, also there's some man, there's so much cool stuff to say in the next year much cool stuff to say in the next year much cool stuff to say in the next year or two. I'm going to be going to some or two. I'm going to be going to some or two. I'm going to be going to some very very interesting places. Uh and and very very interesting places. Uh and and very very interesting places. Uh and and and for everyone else, space travel, I and for everyone else, space travel, I and for everyone else, space travel, I mean, you could get to Australia from mean, you could get to Australia from mean, you could get to Australia from Los Angeles in like 45 minutes if you Los Angeles in like 45 minutes if you Los Angeles in like 45 minutes if you travel to space. Um so I I think it will travel to space. Um so I I think it will travel to space. Um so I I think it will become much more common. I think I think become much more common. I think I think become much more common. I think I think for everyone I mean Winston, it was for everyone I mean Winston, it was for everyone I mean Winston, it was Winston's eight years old, right? Winston's eight years old, right? Winston's eight years old, right? >> Winston for sure you will go to space. >> Winston for sure you will go to space. >> Winston for sure you will go to space. I'll say that much.

I'll say that much. I'll say that much. >> It's exciting. >> It's exciting. >> It's exciting. there. I feel like there's a stay. Keep there. I feel like there's a stay. Keep there. I feel like there's a stay. Keep watching Mark Robber for more watching Mark Robber for more watching Mark Robber for more information about like where what's information about like where what's information about like where what's [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] on the horizon there. on the horizon there. on the horizon there. >> There's some cool opportunities coming >> There's some cool opportunities coming >> There's some cool opportunities coming up that kind of revolve around getting up that kind of revolve around getting up that kind of revolve around getting people excited about science education people excited about science education people excited about science education by me going to from some pretty wild by me going to from some pretty wild by me going to from some pretty wild places. places. places. >> All right. All right. We'll take it. Um, >> All right. All right. We'll take it. Um, >> All right. All right. We'll take it. Um, so Rory, who didn't share their age, but so Rory, who didn't share their age, but so Rory, who didn't share their age, but said that they are a kid, um, asked, said that they are a kid, um, asked, said that they are a kid, um, asked, "What is your favorite thing that you've "What is your favorite thing that you've "What is your favorite thing that you've ever made, and how do you think of what ever made, and how do you think of what ever made, and how do you think of what to make next?" to make next?" to make next?" >> How do you think what to next? I mean, >> How do you think what to next? I mean, >> How do you think what to next? I mean, favorite thing I've ever made. favorite thing I've ever made. favorite thing I've ever made. That's hard. We just did a robot goalie That's hard. We just did a robot goalie That's hard. We just did a robot goalie that that Ronaldo couldn't score on, that that Ronaldo couldn't score on, that that Ronaldo couldn't score on, like a a soccer goalie that moved back like a a soccer goalie that moved back like a a soccer goalie that moved back and forth at 40 miles an hour, and then and forth at 40 miles an hour, and then and forth at 40 miles an hour, and then we tracked the shot. Really, that was we tracked the shot. Really, that was we tracked the shot. Really, that was really fun. really fun. really fun. um the uh you know as far as what to um the uh you know as far as what to um the uh you know as far as what to make next. I think that's the beauty of make next. I think that's the beauty of make next. I think that's the beauty of being engineer is like it's not like oh being engineer is like it's not like oh being engineer is like it's not like oh the ideas come I mean almost never the ideas come I mean almost never the ideas come I mean almost never certainly when I was doing it on my own certainly when I was doing it on my own certainly when I was doing it on my own now we'll do it just because it's kind now we'll do it just because it's kind now we'll do it just because it's kind of fun with the team but like they of fun with the team but like they of fun with the team but like they almost never come from like I'm going to almost never come from like I'm going to almost never come from like I'm going to sit down today for an hour and I will sit down today for an hour and I will sit down today for an hour and I will brainstorm ideas never like I came up brainstorm ideas never like I came up brainstorm ideas never like I came up with a squirrel obstacle course when with a squirrel obstacle course when with a squirrel obstacle course when squirrels were stealing my bird seed and squirrels were stealing my bird seed and squirrels were stealing my bird seed and [clears throat] most people would just [clears throat] most people would just [clears throat] most people would just be like gosh darn it steals are, you be like gosh darn it steals are, you be like gosh darn it steals are, you know, squirrels are stealing all my bird know, squirrels are stealing all my bird know, squirrels are stealing all my bird seed. But I'm I saw an opportunity and I

seed. But I'm I saw an opportunity and I seed. But I'm I saw an opportunity and I was like, wait, what if I really made was like, wait, what if I really made was like, wait, what if I really made them earn it with an eight part ninja them earn it with an eight part ninja them earn it with an eight part ninja warrior obstacle course? The birds could warrior obstacle course? The birds could warrior obstacle course? The birds could come and go as they please. The only way come and go as they please. The only way come and go as they please. The only way for a squirrel to do that is if he like for a squirrel to do that is if he like for a squirrel to do that is if he like solved all my things and I'm going to solved all my things and I'm going to solved all my things and I'm going to name them and, you know, I'm going to name them and, you know, I'm going to name them and, you know, I'm going to make it a thing. So, it's like uh or make it a thing. So, it's like uh or make it a thing. So, it's like uh or someone literally stole a package from someone literally stole a package from someone literally stole a package from my porch and I was very sad and I was my porch and I was very sad and I was my porch and I was very sad and I was sad for about a week and then I was sad for about a week and then I was sad for about a week and then I was like, "Wait a second. What if I devised like, "Wait a second. What if I devised like, "Wait a second. What if I devised a way to get back at these guys because a way to get back at these guys because a way to get back at these guys because I put her over on Mars." So, I should be I put her over on Mars." So, I should be I put her over on Mars." So, I should be able to come up with something that able to come up with something that able to come up with something that would be fun and exciting to get some would be fun and exciting to get some would be fun and exciting to get some revenge. So, so much so many of the revenge. So, so much so many of the revenge. So, so much so many of the ideas just come from conversations, ideas just come from conversations, ideas just come from conversations, everyday life. The key is you just everyday life. The key is you just everyday life. The key is you just always have to have that part of your always have to have that part of your always have to have that part of your brain engaged of like what would my brain engaged of like what would my brain engaged of like what would my solution be? So if you can start solution be? So if you can start solution be? So if you can start thinking like that, I think you'd be thinking like that, I think you'd be thinking like that, I think you'd be surprised how many opportunities are surprised how many opportunities are surprised how many opportunities are right in front of you at all times. You right in front of you at all times. You right in front of you at all times. You just got to get your head in that mind just got to get your head in that mind just got to get your head in that mind space. And I think that is some I do get space. And I think that is some I do get space. And I think that is some I do get that feedback sometimes from parents that feedback sometimes from parents that feedback sometimes from parents where it's like my kid watched one Mark where it's like my kid watched one Mark where it's like my kid watched one Mark Robber video and suddenly they're Robber video and suddenly they're Robber video and suddenly they're inventing ways to you know capture the inventing ways to you know capture the inventing ways to you know capture the rainwater on the roof and and and power rainwater on the roof and and and power rainwater on the roof and and and power a light bulb and to take the remote and a light bulb and to take the remote and a light bulb and to take the remote and turn it into like a you know a beam turn it into like a you know a beam turn it into like a you know a beam sensor when their kid their sister sensor when their kid their sister sensor when their kid their sister enters the room. I I love that, you enters the room. I I love that, you enters the room. I I love that, you know. I love being the catalyst for know. I love being the catalyst for know. I love being the catalyst for everyone thinking in their own domain everyone thinking in their own domain everyone thinking in their own domain how they can, you know, come up with how they can, you know, come up with how they can, you know, come up with their own clever ideas. They don't have their own clever ideas. They don't have their own clever ideas. They don't have to be that complicated, right? But like to be that complicated, right? But like to be that complicated, right? But like literally, if you're watching this right

literally, if you're watching this right literally, if you're watching this right now and and you're a kid or if you're an now and and you're a kid or if you're an now and and you're a kid or if you're an adult, like, you know, a good thought adult, like, you know, a good thought adult, like, you know, a good thought starter is like, how do you turn off the starter is like, how do you turn off the starter is like, how do you turn off the light in your room while you're in bed? light in your room while you're in bed? light in your room while you're in bed? You know, that could look like a lot of You know, that could look like a lot of You know, that could look like a lot of different. Maybe it's a string on a different. Maybe it's a string on a different. Maybe it's a string on a thing that comes through. Maybe it's thing that comes through. Maybe it's thing that comes through. Maybe it's like a a weighted thing. Maybe it's like like a a weighted thing. Maybe it's like like a a weighted thing. Maybe it's like a a target that you shoot your dart gun a a target that you shoot your dart gun a a target that you shoot your dart gun at that hits it. You know that that can at that hits it. You know that that can at that hits it. You know that that can be a very using a lot of just duct tape be a very using a lot of just duct tape be a very using a lot of just duct tape and ingenuity and junk around your and ingenuity and junk around your and ingenuity and junk around your house. Like what does that look like for house. Like what does that look like for house. Like what does that look like for you? And then once you do that, you'll you? And then once you do that, you'll you? And then once you do that, you'll realize like that was cool. I learned realize like that was cool. I learned realize like that was cool. I learned this and now I'm gonna figure out this this and now I'm gonna figure out this this and now I'm gonna figure out this new thing. How do I make my door so it new thing. How do I make my door so it new thing. How do I make my door so it automatically closes? You know, you can automatically closes? You know, you can automatically closes? You know, you can just it's it's a really fun way of just it's it's a really fun way of just it's it's a really fun way of seeing the world. Well, ton of folks, seeing the world. Well, ton of folks, seeing the world. Well, ton of folks, Paul who is 13, Sophul who's 11, Luca Paul who is 13, Sophul who's 11, Luca Paul who is 13, Sophul who's 11, Luca who's seven, they all want to know what who's seven, they all want to know what who's seven, they all want to know what is the hardest or most interesting part is the hardest or most interesting part is the hardest or most interesting part of engineering. of engineering. of engineering. >> Um, I think the hardest part is also the >> Um, I think the hardest part is also the >> Um, I think the hardest part is also the most fun part, which is like it's it's most fun part, which is like it's it's most fun part, which is like it's it's never been done before. You're willing never been done before. You're willing never been done before. You're willing something into existence that's never something into existence that's never something into existence that's never existed. So, that's the opportunity. The existed. So, that's the opportunity. The existed. So, that's the opportunity. The challenge is like it doesn't exist challenge is like it doesn't exist challenge is like it doesn't exist because it might be really hard to make because it might be really hard to make because it might be really hard to make it exist. And so it's just this constant it exist. And so it's just this constant it exist. And so it's just this constant feedback loop. The number one mistake feedback loop. The number one mistake feedback loop. The number one mistake people make when they're trying to build people make when they're trying to build people make when they're trying to build something is they want their final something is they want their final something is they want their final version to be their to be their to be version to be their to be their to be version to be their to be their to be they're the first version to be their they're the first version to be their they're the first version to be their last the final. And nothing that exists last the final. And nothing that exists last the final. And nothing that exists in the world. You know these scissors in the world. You know these scissors in the world. You know these scissors right here went through so many right here went through so many right here went through so many prototypes to get to this final form.

prototypes to get to this final form. prototypes to get to this final form. Did not start looking like this. And so Did not start looking like this. And so Did not start looking like this. And so same with these these headphones, same same with these these headphones, same same with these these headphones, same with this literally this cap. Like the with this literally this cap. Like the with this literally this cap. Like the amount of revisions that this has gone amount of revisions that this has gone amount of revisions that this has gone through to get here is in the hundreds. through to get here is in the hundreds. through to get here is in the hundreds. >> And so that is the challenge is like >> And so that is the challenge is like >> And so that is the challenge is like just start somewhere. Start with just start somewhere. Start with just start somewhere. Start with cardboard and duct tape as your first cardboard and duct tape as your first cardboard and duct tape as your first prototype and then get better and better prototype and then get better and better prototype and then get better and better and refine it until it is like something and refine it until it is like something and refine it until it is like something that works really well. And each time that works really well. And each time that works really well. And each time you solve a few more problems and do you solve a few more problems and do you solve a few more problems and do another version, solve a few more another version, solve a few more another version, solve a few more problems. Um, so, so that's the great problems. Um, so, so that's the great problems. Um, so, so that's the great opportunity and the great challenge is opportunity and the great challenge is opportunity and the great challenge is it's a it's a it's work and it's it's a it's a it's work and it's it's a it's a it's work and it's iterative, but that that's the fun part. iterative, but that that's the fun part. iterative, but that that's the fun part. It's a journey. It's a journey. It's a journey. >> Um, well, Mark, as we're winding down >> Um, well, Mark, as we're winding down >> Um, well, Mark, as we're winding down the conversation, um, you know, we've the conversation, um, you know, we've the conversation, um, you know, we've talked so much about what you're talked so much about what you're talked so much about what you're creating with Class Crunch Labs and just creating with Class Crunch Labs and just creating with Class Crunch Labs and just what you've been doing just in general what you've been doing just in general what you've been doing just in general with creating science content for all with creating science content for all with creating science content for all these years. when you're uh you know 80 these years. when you're uh you know 80 these years. when you're uh you know 80 or an old man and you're looking back at or an old man and you're looking back at or an old man and you're looking back at all that you've done, how how do you all that you've done, how how do you all that you've done, how how do you think you'll know that CR excuse me, think you'll know that CR excuse me, think you'll know that CR excuse me, Class Crunch Labs worked? How will you Class Crunch Labs worked? How will you Class Crunch Labs worked? How will you know that what you've done was know that what you've done was know that what you've done was successful?

successful? successful? >> Uh I'll never get to that point >> Uh I'll never get to that point >> Uh I'll never get to that point >> and and I'm okay with that. Like I love >> and and I'm okay with that. Like I love >> and and I'm okay with that. Like I love mountains to climb, you know? I I I mountains to climb, you know? I I I mountains to climb, you know? I I I don't tend to look back very often. It's don't tend to look back very often. It's don't tend to look back very often. It's more just like, oh, but what else could more just like, oh, but what else could more just like, oh, but what else could we do? So, it's like someone else can we do? So, it's like someone else can we do? So, it's like someone else can can figure out if it's been successful can figure out if it's been successful can figure out if it's been successful or not. Like that's I mean I will I will or not. Like that's I mean I will I will or not. Like that's I mean I will I will I will always be analyzing it and figure I will always be analyzing it and figure I will always be analyzing it and figure out what more we could do to tweak it to out what more we could do to tweak it to out what more we could do to tweak it to make it better. But like I don't engage make it better. But like I don't engage make it better. But like I don't engage a lot in like, oh, let me look back and a lot in like, oh, let me look back and a lot in like, oh, let me look back and be like, "Wow, look at all we've be like, "Wow, look at all we've be like, "Wow, look at all we've accomplished." Because there's so much accomplished." Because there's so much accomplished." Because there's so much more cool stuff to do. Like there's more cool stuff to do. Like there's more cool stuff to do. Like there's always more mountains and and fun always more mountains and and fun always more mountains and and fun things. And like that is the joy, you things. And like that is the joy, you things. And like that is the joy, you know? It's the It's the happiness of the know? It's the It's the happiness of the know? It's the It's the happiness of the pursuit, not the pursuit of happiness. pursuit, not the pursuit of happiness. pursuit, not the pursuit of happiness. And so I get the most joy and happiness And so I get the most joy and happiness And so I get the most joy and happiness when it's like I take something exactly when it's like I take something exactly when it's like I take something exactly what I just said, the iteration and like what I just said, the iteration and like what I just said, the iteration and like making it a little bit better. Making a making it a little bit better. Making a making it a little bit better. Making a little bit better. And so if someone little bit better. And so if someone little bit better. And so if someone else wants to look at it when I'm 80 and else wants to look at it when I'm 80 and else wants to look at it when I'm 80 and be like, "Oh, it was good." And be like, "Oh, it was good." And be like, "Oh, it was good." And therefore, you know, mission therefore, you know, mission therefore, you know, mission accomplished, great. But I won't. I'll accomplished, great. But I won't. I'll accomplished, great. But I won't. I'll be like, "Yeah, but we, you know, we be like, "Yeah, but we, you know, we be like, "Yeah, but we, you know, we haven't got it nailed in Korea yet. So haven't got it nailed in Korea yet. So haven't got it nailed in Korea yet. So let's do that." And that's not to say let's do that." And that's not to say let's do that." And that's not to say like I'm not happy or satisfied. Like I like I'm not happy or satisfied. Like I like I'm not happy or satisfied. Like I do take great satisfaction, but I take do take great satisfaction, but I take do take great satisfaction, but I take satisfaction in like the the leveling satisfaction in like the the leveling satisfaction in like the the leveling up. And then hey, sure enough, what you up. And then hey, sure enough, what you up. And then hey, sure enough, what you find I think at some point is you have find I think at some point is you have find I think at some point is you have this body of work behind you that's this body of work behind you that's this body of work behind you that's speaks for itself that hopefully has speaks for itself that hopefully has speaks for itself that hopefully has impact. But like I will I don't ever

impact. But like I will I don't ever impact. But like I will I don't ever want anything named after me like a want anything named after me like a want anything named after me like a building. I don't I don't believe in building. I don't I don't believe in building. I don't I don't believe in generational wealth. I don't like all generational wealth. I don't like all generational wealth. I don't like all that stuff is so like even the concept that stuff is so like even the concept that stuff is so like even the concept of legacy to me doesn't even make a ton of legacy to me doesn't even make a ton of legacy to me doesn't even make a ton of sense. I don't personally I just of sense. I don't personally I just of sense. I don't personally I just don't get it. That's not what I'm don't get it. That's not what I'm don't get it. That's not what I'm working for. And so um I I I appreciate working for. And so um I I I appreciate working for. And so um I I I appreciate the question. I think it's the right the question. I think it's the right the question. I think it's the right question to ask and it's an opportunity question to ask and it's an opportunity question to ask and it's an opportunity to just say like it almost is confusing to just say like it almost is confusing to just say like it almost is confusing to me because that's just not how my to me because that's just not how my to me because that's just not how my brain works. It's like what else can we brain works. It's like what else can we brain works. It's like what else can we do? How else could we improve this? do? How else could we improve this? do? How else could we improve this? >> Yeah, it's the process. you're just >> Yeah, it's the process. you're just >> Yeah, it's the process. you're just constantly in there constantly in there constantly in there >> of the process and then if you do that >> of the process and then if you do that >> of the process and then if you do that they're things I think do tend to work they're things I think do tend to work they're things I think do tend to work well if you incrementally every year well if you incrementally every year well if you incrementally every year you're improving by 5% that's like you're improving by 5% that's like you're improving by 5% that's like compounding results you know. compounding results you know. compounding results you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well that those feel like words to live >> Well that those feel like words to live >> Well that those feel like words to live by and and maybe a good place to end. by and and maybe a good place to end. by and and maybe a good place to end. Thank you so much Mark for everything Thank you so much Mark for everything Thank you so much Mark for everything you've shared. I've learned a lot. I you've shared. I've learned a lot. I you've shared. I've learned a lot. I know everyone in the in in the comments know everyone in the in in the comments know everyone in the in in the comments have been saying how much they've have been saying how much they've have been saying how much they've learned. So thank you for sharing all learned. So thank you for sharing all learned. So thank you for sharing all this with us and taking some time today. this with us and taking some time today. this with us and taking some time today. Love it. Thank you guys so much. Really Love it. Thank you guys so much. Really Love it. Thank you guys so much. Really appreciate the time.

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