Archaeology Warning: They May Have Secretly Found Antarctica 300 Years Before Us! - Graham Hancock

This could be the last time I speak This could be the last time I speak about myself, my work, because there's a about myself, my work, because there's a about myself, my work, because there's a chance that I might not make it off the chance that I might not make it off the chance that I might not make it off the operating table this month. And a operating table this month. And a operating table this month. And a journalist who has very bad blood journalist who has very bad blood journalist who has very bad blood towards me has been trying to publish a towards me has been trying to publish a towards me has been trying to publish a story on me for more than 2 years now, story on me for more than 2 years now, story on me for more than 2 years now, and it will come out in the next [music] and it will come out in the next [music] and it will come out in the next [music] month or two, and I didn't want that to month or two, and I didn't want that to month or two, and I didn't want that to be the last word on my life. be the last word on my life. be the last word on my life. >> What do you want the last word of your >> What do you want the last word of your >> What do you want the last word of your life to be? life to be? life to be? >> I'm here to communicate about the >> I'm here to communicate about the >> I'm here to communicate about the possibility of a major forgotten episode possibility of a major forgotten episode possibility of a major forgotten episode in human story. I'm talking about a lost in human story. I'm talking about a lost in human story. I'm talking about a lost civilization. civilization. civilization. >> So, most people think civilization >> So, most people think civilization >> So, most people think civilization started 6,000 years ago? started 6,000 years ago? started 6,000 years ago? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But you believe there's strong evidence >> But you believe there's strong evidence >> But you believe there's strong evidence that there could have been a previous that there could have been a previous that there could have been a previous civilization? civilization? civilization? >> 20,000 [music] years ago, and I'm going >> 20,000 [music] years ago, and I'm going >> 20,000 [music] years ago, and I'm going to present the evidence for that here, to present the evidence for that here, to present the evidence for that here, Stephen. And it suggests a golden age Stephen. And it suggests a golden age Stephen. And it suggests a golden age where there was no violence, no [music] where there was no violence, no [music] where there was no violence, no [music] cruelty, where great healers and sages cruelty, where great healers and sages cruelty, where great healers and sages were at work. They're extremely were at work. They're extremely were at work. They're extremely sophisticated. [music] However, if you sophisticated. [music] However, if you sophisticated. [music] However, if you follow the myths further, as I've done, follow the myths further, as I've done, follow the myths further, as I've done, you find something odd happens. You find you find something odd happens. You find you find something odd happens. You find that they stepped away from the original that they stepped away from the original that they stepped away from the original purity and become a culture that begins purity and become a culture that begins purity and become a culture that begins to impose its power on others around the to impose its power on others around the to impose its power on others around the world. And then, sewn into those myths world. And then, sewn into those myths world. And then, sewn into those myths is scientific information which record a is scientific information which record a is scientific information which record a gigantic cataclysm all but wiping out gigantic cataclysm all but wiping out gigantic cataclysm all but wiping out the human race.

the human race. the human race. >> If what you're saying is true, what does >> If what you're saying is true, what does >> If what you're saying is true, what does that mean for our lives? I guess also that mean for our lives? I guess also that mean for our lives? I guess also our future. our future. our future. >> Well, there's always this feeling in the >> Well, there's always this feeling in the >> Well, there's always this feeling in the myths that we brought [music] this upon myths that we brought [music] this upon myths that we brought [music] this upon ourselves. And when I look at our ourselves. And when I look at our ourselves. And when I look at our civilization today, I see a civilization civilization today, I see a civilization civilization today, I see a civilization [music] that ticks all the mythological [music] that ticks all the mythological [music] that ticks all the mythological boxes for the next lost civilization, boxes for the next lost civilization, boxes for the next lost civilization, and that we are most likely to be the and that we are most likely to be the and that we are most likely to be the cause of that cataclysm ourselves, cause of that cataclysm ourselves, cause of that cataclysm ourselves, unless we wake up. unless we wake up. unless we wake up. >> Graham Hancock, what will you care about >> Graham Hancock, what will you care about >> Graham Hancock, what will you care about on your last day? >> This is super interesting to me. My team >> This is super interesting to me. My team gave me this report to show me how many gave me this report to show me how many gave me this report to show me how many of you that watch this show subscribe, of you that watch this show subscribe, of you that watch this show subscribe, and some of you have told us, according and some of you have told us, according and some of you have told us, according to this, that you are unsubscribed from to this, that you are unsubscribed from to this, that you are unsubscribed from the channel randomly. So, a favor to ask the channel randomly. So, a favor to ask the channel randomly. So, a favor to ask all of you, please could you check right all of you, please could you check right all of you, please could you check right now if you've hit the subscribe button. now if you've hit the subscribe button. now if you've hit the subscribe button. if you are regular viewer of the show if you are regular viewer of the show if you are regular viewer of the show and you like what we do here. We're and you like what we do here. We're and you like what we do here. We're approaching quite a significant landmark approaching quite a significant landmark approaching quite a significant landmark on this show in terms of a subscriber on this show in terms of a subscriber on this show in terms of a subscriber number. So, if there was one simple, number. So, if there was one simple, number. So, if there was one simple, free thing that you could do to help us, free thing that you could do to help us, free thing that you could do to help us, my team, everyone here, to keep this my team, everyone here, to keep this my team, everyone here, to keep this show free, to keep it improving year show free, to keep it improving year show free, to keep it improving year over year and week over week, it is just over year and week over week, it is just over year and week over week, it is just to hit that subscribe button and to to hit that subscribe button and to to hit that subscribe button and to double-check if you've hit it. Only double-check if you've hit it. Only double-check if you've hit it. Only thing I'll ever ask of you.

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is rational and and and solidly based, is rational and and and solidly based, but which is contrary but which is contrary but which is contrary to key aspects of the mainstream to key aspects of the mainstream to key aspects of the mainstream narrative. We only have decipherable narrative. We only have decipherable narrative. We only have decipherable written scripts from the last 5 and 1/2 written scripts from the last 5 and 1/2 written scripts from the last 5 and 1/2 thousand years maximum. Before that, we thousand years maximum. Before that, we thousand years maximum. Before that, we don't have any any writing that we can don't have any any writing that we can don't have any any writing that we can at any rate read. Go back 10, 12, 15, at any rate read. Go back 10, 12, 15, at any rate read. Go back 10, 12, 15, 20,000 years, all you can base it on 20,000 years, all you can base it on 20,000 years, all you can base it on from an archaeological point of view is from an archaeological point of view is from an archaeological point of view is what they can dig out of the ground. And what they can dig out of the ground. And what they can dig out of the ground. And I think what they're missing, the I think what they're missing, the I think what they're missing, the ancients did leave us memories of what ancients did leave us memories of what ancients did leave us memories of what they went through. We have myths and they went through. We have myths and they went through. We have myths and traditions and scriptures from all traditions and scriptures from all traditions and scriptures from all around the world which record a gigantic around the world which record a gigantic around the world which record a gigantic cataclysm affecting the human race and cataclysm affecting the human race and cataclysm affecting the human race and all but wiping out the human race. all but wiping out the human race. all but wiping out the human race. Everybody knows the story of the flood Everybody knows the story of the flood Everybody knows the story of the flood of Noah. Of course, the flood of Noah is of Noah. Of course, the flood of Noah is of Noah. Of course, the flood of Noah is just an one example of hundreds like just an one example of hundreds like just an one example of hundreds like that of stories from around the world. that of stories from around the world. that of stories from around the world. Uh archaeologists pour scorn on Plato's Uh archaeologists pour scorn on Plato's Uh archaeologists pour scorn on Plato's story of Atlantis. Uh but Atlantis is story of Atlantis. Uh but Atlantis is story of Atlantis. Uh but Atlantis is another of those stories that remembers another of those stories that remembers another of those stories that remembers a global flood that wiped out a former a global flood that wiped out a former a global flood that wiped out a former era of existence leaving only a few era of existence leaving only a few era of existence leaving only a few survivors. And the archaeological survivors. And the archaeological survivors. And the archaeological response to them is response to them is response to them is there was a local river flood.

there was a local river flood. there was a local river flood. They exaggerated it. It was a big deal They exaggerated it. It was a big deal They exaggerated it. It was a big deal for them, so they said it happened to for them, so they said it happened to for them, so they said it happened to the whole world. And I'm sick of the whole world. And I'm sick of the whole world. And I'm sick of archaeologists saying that. This is the archaeologists saying that. This is the archaeologists saying that. This is the memory banks of our species. This is the memory banks of our species. This is the memory banks of our species. This is the record the only record we have of a record the only record we have of a record the only record we have of a period before 6,000 years ago. And we period before 6,000 years ago. And we period before 6,000 years ago. And we shouldn't despise it and scorn it as shouldn't despise it and scorn it as shouldn't despise it and scorn it as primitive superstition. We should say primitive superstition. We should say primitive superstition. We should say what can we find in here that we can what can we find in here that we can what can we find in here that we can coordinate with scientific facts that coordinate with scientific facts that coordinate with scientific facts that we're aware of. Let's see if there's we're aware of. Let's see if there's we're aware of. Let's see if there's something to this rather than just something to this rather than just something to this rather than just dismissing it. Many of these myths dismissing it. Many of these myths dismissing it. Many of these myths contain contain contain imagery and a series of numbers. A very imagery and a series of numbers. A very imagery and a series of numbers. A very important academic study published in important academic study published in important academic study published in the 1960s, a book called Hamlet's Mill the 1960s, a book called Hamlet's Mill the 1960s, a book called Hamlet's Mill by Giorgio de Santillana, Professor of by Giorgio de Santillana, Professor of by Giorgio de Santillana, Professor of the History of Science at Massachusetts the History of Science at Massachusetts the History of Science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and head of the Institute of Technology and head of the Institute of Technology and head of the foundation Professor of history of foundation Professor of history of foundation Professor of history of science. This is not me speaking. This science. This is not me speaking. This science. This is not me speaking. This is major major historians of science in is major major historians of science in is major major historians of science in the 1960s. They found encoded in those the 1960s. They found encoded in those the 1960s. They found encoded in those myths numbers and imagery that could myths numbers and imagery that could myths numbers and imagery that could only relate to one thing and that's an only relate to one thing and that's an only relate to one thing and that's an obscure astronomical phenomenon called obscure astronomical phenomenon called obscure astronomical phenomenon called the precession of the equinoxes. I'm not the precession of the equinoxes. I'm not the precession of the equinoxes. I'm not going to go into the technical details, going to go into the technical details, going to go into the technical details, but to observe it and to record it and but to observe it and to record it and but to observe it and to record it and to predict it to predict its effects in to predict it to predict its effects in to predict it to predict its effects in the future involves very precise the future involves very precise the future involves very precise astronomical observations maintained astronomical observations maintained astronomical observations maintained over a very long period of time, over a very long period of time, over a very long period of time, hundreds and hundreds of years at least.

hundreds and hundreds of years at least. hundreds and hundreds of years at least. So here we have myths of a global So here we have myths of a global So here we have myths of a global cataclysm. There is just so much else. cataclysm. There is just so much else. cataclysm. There is just so much else. There are ancient maps that show the There are ancient maps that show the There are ancient maps that show the world as it looked during the ice age world as it looked during the ice age world as it looked during the ice age again dismissed as just total again dismissed as just total again dismissed as just total coincidence and not significant by coincidence and not significant by coincidence and not significant by archaeology. I feel that archaeology has archaeology. I feel that archaeology has archaeology. I feel that archaeology has failed miserably in providing a failed miserably in providing a failed miserably in providing a nurturing satisfying answer to the nurturing satisfying answer to the nurturing satisfying answer to the questions we all have. questions we all have. questions we all have. >> So when you say global cataclysm, >> So when you say global cataclysm, >> So when you say global cataclysm, what does that mean? Means that some what does that mean? Means that some what does that mean? Means that some something hit the planet, there was we something hit the planet, there was we something hit the planet, there was we were wiped out? were wiped out? were wiped out? >> Yeah, there there there are a number of >> Yeah, there there there are a number of >> Yeah, there there there are a number of options and again I need to stress this options and again I need to stress this options and again I need to stress this because because there's so much because because there's so much because because there's so much propaganda in this business I'll be propaganda in this business I'll be propaganda in this business I'll be immediately accused of lunatic fringe. immediately accused of lunatic fringe. immediately accused of lunatic fringe. The solid science that's been done on The solid science that's been done on The solid science that's been done on this this this is twofold. One aspect of it, the one is twofold. One aspect of it, the one is twofold. One aspect of it, the one that I think it I find most persuasive that I think it I find most persuasive that I think it I find most persuasive is called the Younger Dryas impact is called the Younger Dryas impact is called the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis and this is a mainstream hypothesis and this is a mainstream hypothesis and this is a mainstream hypothesis, but it is severely hypothesis, but it is severely hypothesis, but it is severely criticized within academia. The criticized within academia. The criticized within academia. The hypothesis is that hypothesis is that hypothesis is that >> about 20,000 years ago >> about 20,000 years ago >> about 20,000 years ago >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> a very large comet >> a very large comet >> a very large comet came in from deep space and went into came in from deep space and went into came in from deep space and went into orbit around the sun.

orbit around the sun. orbit around the sun. This would be a comet of the diameter of This would be a comet of the diameter of This would be a comet of the diameter of 100 km, maybe 200. Comes in, gets 100 km, maybe 200. Comes in, gets 100 km, maybe 200. Comes in, gets captured by the sun's gravity, goes into captured by the sun's gravity, goes into captured by the sun's gravity, goes into an orbit. That orbit crosses the orbit an orbit. That orbit crosses the orbit an orbit. That orbit crosses the orbit of the earth. of the earth. of the earth. While you're dealing with one large While you're dealing with one large While you're dealing with one large object, the chances of getting hit are object, the chances of getting hit are object, the chances of getting hit are extremely low. It would be very bad if extremely low. It would be very bad if extremely low. It would be very bad if you did, but very low. Trouble is you did, but very low. Trouble is you did, but very low. Trouble is nobody disputes this. Once comets are nobody disputes this. Once comets are nobody disputes this. Once comets are caught by the gravitational field of a caught by the gravitational field of a caught by the gravitational field of a very large planet or of a sun, they very large planet or of a sun, they very large planet or of a sun, they start to break up into multiple parts, start to break up into multiple parts, start to break up into multiple parts, and this is what happened to the Younger and this is what happened to the Younger and this is what happened to the Younger Dryas comet. Instead of being a single Dryas comet. Instead of being a single Dryas comet. Instead of being a single bullet, it became a shotgun blast. It bullet, it became a shotgun blast. It bullet, it became a shotgun blast. It became thousands and thousands of became thousands and thousands of became thousands and thousands of objects, of which we've cataloged quite objects, of which we've cataloged quite objects, of which we've cataloged quite a lot. Numbers of them, comet Encke is a lot. Numbers of them, comet Encke is a lot. Numbers of them, comet Encke is the best known bit of that the best known bit of that the best known bit of that former comet. Many of the academics who former comet. Many of the academics who former comet. Many of the academics who look at this think that comet Encke, look at this think that comet Encke, look at this think that comet Encke, which is about 6 km in diameter and which is about 6 km in diameter and which is about 6 km in diameter and which does cross the orbit of the Earth, which does cross the orbit of the Earth, which does cross the orbit of the Earth, they think that that was the source they think that that was the source they think that that was the source comet. But whereas the other team are comet. But whereas the other team are comet. But whereas the other team are saying, "No, that's a bit of the source saying, "No, that's a bit of the source saying, "No, that's a bit of the source comet. There were many other bits as comet. There were many other bits as comet. There were many other bits as well." And 12,800 years ago, 12,860 well." And 12,800 years ago, 12,860 well." And 12,800 years ago, 12,860 approximately, the Earth went into a approximately, the Earth went into a approximately, the Earth went into a storm of these fragments. None of them storm of these fragments. None of them storm of these fragments. None of them big enough to compare with the object big enough to compare with the object big enough to compare with the object that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, years ago, years ago, but all over the Well, the Earth is but all over the Well, the Earth is but all over the Well, the Earth is turning, this stuff comes in. They found turning, this stuff comes in. They found turning, this stuff comes in. They found it in the west coast of North America, it in the west coast of North America, it in the west coast of North America, they found it in Belgium, and they found they found it in Belgium, and they found they found it in Belgium, and they found it as far east as Syria. So, it's like it as far east as Syria. So, it's like it as far east as Syria. So, it's like the Earth turns and this stuff is just the Earth turns and this stuff is just the Earth turns and this stuff is just coming in. Most of it is blowing up in coming in. Most of it is blowing up in coming in. Most of it is blowing up in the air. It isn't even hitting the

the air. It isn't even hitting the the air. It isn't even hitting the ground. But an airburst from an object ground. But an airburst from an object ground. But an airburst from an object that might be 100 m in diameter is that might be 100 m in diameter is that might be 100 m in diameter is equivalent to a very substantial nuclear equivalent to a very substantial nuclear equivalent to a very substantial nuclear blast. So, their argument is the Earth blast. So, their argument is the Earth blast. So, their argument is the Earth was hit by was hit by was hit by a comet storm. And this they then argue, a comet storm. And this they then argue, a comet storm. And this they then argue, and I think they're right, uh explains and I think they're right, uh explains and I think they're right, uh explains what happened then. Because 12,800 years what happened then. Because 12,800 years what happened then. Because 12,800 years ago, ago, ago, we were still in the ice age, we were still in the ice age, we were still in the ice age, uh but the Earth was coming out of the uh but the Earth was coming out of the uh but the Earth was coming out of the ice age. In fact, for about 1,000, maybe ice age. In fact, for about 1,000, maybe ice age. In fact, for about 1,000, maybe 2,000 years before that, the Earth had 2,000 years before that, the Earth had 2,000 years before that, the Earth had been getting warmer, getting quite nice. been getting warmer, getting quite nice. been getting warmer, getting quite nice. And you would normally expect that to And you would normally expect that to And you would normally expect that to continue. But then suddenly, 12,800 continue. But then suddenly, 12,800 continue. But then suddenly, 12,800 years ago, give or take 60 years, years ago, give or take 60 years, years ago, give or take 60 years, there's a huge interruption. There's a there's a huge interruption. There's a there's a huge interruption. There's a radical change. The earth, instead of radical change. The earth, instead of radical change. The earth, instead of warming, it suddenly goes back into a warming, it suddenly goes back into a warming, it suddenly goes back into a massive deep freeze. And this is the massive deep freeze. And this is the massive deep freeze. And this is the time when all the famous time when all the famous time when all the famous big animals of the ice age, the big animals of the ice age, the big animals of the ice age, the megafauna, are wiped out. The woolly megafauna, are wiped out. The woolly megafauna, are wiped out. The woolly mammoths, the mastodons, the giant mammoths, the mastodons, the giant mammoths, the mastodons, the giant sloths, these things like 14 ft tall, sloths, these things like 14 ft tall, sloths, these things like 14 ft tall, you know, they're all they're all wiped you know, they're all they're all wiped you know, they're all they're all wiped out in that window around about 12,800 out in that window around about 12,800 out in that window around about 12,800 years ago. And most important of all is years ago. And most important of all is years ago. And most important of all is a very mysterious sea level rise that a very mysterious sea level rise that a very mysterious sea level rise that occurs then.

occurs then. occurs then. This you would not expect when the earth This you would not expect when the earth This you would not expect when the earth is entering a cold phase. is entering a cold phase. is entering a cold phase. Normally, when earth enters a cold Normally, when earth enters a cold Normally, when earth enters a cold phase, ice accumulates on the existing phase, ice accumulates on the existing phase, ice accumulates on the existing ice caps. ice caps. ice caps. It doesn't melt and go into the sea. So, It doesn't melt and go into the sea. So, It doesn't melt and go into the sea. So, the next thing is, how do we explain the next thing is, how do we explain the next thing is, how do we explain this sudden rise in sea levels at the this sudden rise in sea levels at the this sudden rise in sea levels at the beginning of Younger Dryas? It shouldn't beginning of Younger Dryas? It shouldn't beginning of Younger Dryas? It shouldn't have happened. have happened. have happened. The comet theory explains it perfectly. The comet theory explains it perfectly. The comet theory explains it perfectly. The the the mass, the impact, the heat, The the the mass, the impact, the heat, The the the mass, the impact, the heat, the air bursts, that would have been the air bursts, that would have been the air bursts, that would have been enough to send the ice sheets into enough to send the ice sheets into enough to send the ice sheets into meltdown and to meltdown and to meltdown and to cause this pulse of meltwater. Then the cause this pulse of meltwater. Then the cause this pulse of meltwater. Then the freeze sets in. freeze sets in. freeze sets in. You have about 1,200 years of freezing You have about 1,200 years of freezing You have about 1,200 years of freezing desperately cold conditions. And then desperately cold conditions. And then desperately cold conditions. And then again, 11,600 years ago, whoomph, it again, 11,600 years ago, whoomph, it again, 11,600 years ago, whoomph, it suddenly warms up. I mean, these are suddenly warms up. I mean, these are suddenly warms up. I mean, these are radical climate changes. They're beyond radical climate changes. They're beyond radical climate changes. They're beyond anything that's happening now. And uh I anything that's happening now. And uh I anything that's happening now. And uh I I think explanations are needed for I think explanations are needed for I think explanations are needed for them. And because 12,800 years ago may them. And because 12,800 years ago may them. And because 12,800 years ago may sound a long time ago, but it's really sound a long time ago, but it's really sound a long time ago, but it's really yesterday in the human story. Uh so, yesterday in the human story. Uh so, yesterday in the human story. Uh so, something very big something very big something very big happened to the earth and happened to happened to the earth and happened to happened to the earth and happened to our ancestors 12,800 years ago. If it our ancestors 12,800 years ago. If it our ancestors 12,800 years ago. If it wasn't a comet, another theory that's wasn't a comet, another theory that's wasn't a comet, another theory that's been put forward is a radical change in been put forward is a radical change in been put forward is a radical change in solar activity. This might have been solar activity. This might have been solar activity. This might have been involved with it as well. I involved with it as well. I involved with it as well. I don't find that as persuasive as the don't find that as persuasive as the don't find that as persuasive as the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis. And you Younger Dryas impact hypothesis. And you Younger Dryas impact hypothesis. And you know, maybe some other explanation will know, maybe some other explanation will know, maybe some other explanation will come up. But what nobody disputes is come up. But what nobody disputes is come up. But what nobody disputes is that the Younger Dryas was a that the Younger Dryas was a that the Younger Dryas was a catastrophe.

catastrophe. catastrophe. Uh it was global Uh it was global Uh it was global uh and and it had huge effects. uh and and it had huge effects. uh and and it had huge effects. >> You um you chose intentionally to come >> You um you chose intentionally to come >> You um you chose intentionally to come and have this conversation today? and have this conversation today? and have this conversation today? >> W- >> W- >> W- >> today? >> today? >> today? >> Well, I've been quite unwell, really >> Well, I've been quite unwell, really >> Well, I've been quite unwell, really noticeably unwell since noticeably unwell since noticeably unwell since January, February this year, January, February this year, January, February this year, particularly very particularly very particularly very very short of breath. It's It's because very short of breath. It's It's because very short of breath. It's It's because of the one of the failed valves in my my of the one of the failed valves in my my of the one of the failed valves in my my heart is heart is heart is causing blood to regurgitate inside the causing blood to regurgitate inside the causing blood to regurgitate inside the heart rather than pumping it through the heart rather than pumping it through the heart rather than pumping it through the body. And that means that oxygenated body. And that means that oxygenated body. And that means that oxygenated blood is not getting to my lungs. I blood is not getting to my lungs. I blood is not getting to my lungs. I probably would live another two or three probably would live another two or three probably would live another two or three years without the surgery, maybe maybe years without the surgery, maybe maybe years without the surgery, maybe maybe even five. But the quality of life would even five. But the quality of life would even five. But the quality of life would be very low. I I can't even walk up be very low. I I can't even walk up be very low. I I can't even walk up three stairs without being being three stairs without being being three stairs without being being exhausted at the moment. So, I've exhausted at the moment. So, I've exhausted at the moment. So, I've definitely decided to to have the definitely decided to to have the definitely decided to to have the surgery. Why am I doing this interview surgery. Why am I doing this interview surgery. Why am I doing this interview now rather than postponing it until now rather than postponing it until now rather than postponing it until after the surgery and I've recovered? after the surgery and I've recovered? after the surgery and I've recovered? Well, there's a tiny chance, absolutely Well, there's a tiny chance, absolutely Well, there's a tiny chance, absolutely minuscule chance, minuscule chance, minuscule chance, that I might not make it off the that I might not make it off the that I might not make it off the operating table. operating table. operating table. >> This month? >> This month? >> This month? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This month. And if that were the case, This month. And if that were the case, This month. And if that were the case, this would be this would be this would be the last time I've spoken about myself, the last time I've spoken about myself, the last time I've spoken about myself, my work, my work, my work, my life, challenges I faced my life, challenges I faced my life, challenges I faced in an open forum like this. And And And in an open forum like this. And And And in an open forum like this. And And And I I I I I I I choose to do that, and I'm going to I choose to do that, and I'm going to I choose to do that, and I'm going to say specifically why say specifically why say specifically why without giving without mentioning names.

without giving without mentioning names. without giving without mentioning names. I choose to do that because a journalist I choose to do that because a journalist I choose to do that because a journalist who has very bad blood towards me who has very bad blood towards me who has very bad blood towards me has been trying to publish a story on me has been trying to publish a story on me has been trying to publish a story on me for more than two years now. for more than two years now. for more than two years now. And it will come out in the next in the And it will come out in the next in the And it will come out in the next in the next month or two. And I didn't want next month or two. And I didn't want next month or two. And I didn't want that to be the last word on my life. that to be the last word on my life. that to be the last word on my life. That's why I'm here, Stephen. That's why I'm here, Stephen. That's why I'm here, Stephen. >> What do you want the last word of your >> What do you want the last word of your >> What do you want the last word of your life to be? life to be? life to be? >> I [sighs and gasps] would >> I [sighs and gasps] would >> I [sighs and gasps] would I would hope that I would hope that I would hope that people will come to understand that I'm people will come to understand that I'm people will come to understand that I'm not the person that not the person that not the person that a very small minority a very small minority a very small minority of archaeologists have mobilized social of archaeologists have mobilized social of archaeologists have mobilized social media to present me as. I'm not a media to present me as. I'm not a media to present me as. I'm not a grifter. I'm not a hoaxer. I'm not a con grifter. I'm not a hoaxer. I'm not a con grifter. I'm not a hoaxer. I'm not a con man. I'm deeply committed to this. I've man. I'm deeply committed to this. I've man. I'm deeply committed to this. I've devoted my my to it for more than for devoted my my to it for more than for devoted my my to it for more than for more than 30 years. I'm passionate about more than 30 years. I'm passionate about more than 30 years. I'm passionate about it. It matters [clears throat] to me. it. It matters [clears throat] to me. it. It matters [clears throat] to me. And I think again, I'll be laughed at And I think again, I'll be laughed at And I think again, I'll be laughed at for saying this, but I feel called to do for saying this, but I feel called to do for saying this, but I feel called to do this. I feel I I feel it's my obligation and my I feel it's my obligation and my responsibility to do this. responsibility to do this. responsibility to do this. >> How is that disputed? Cuz I I I guess I >> How is that disputed? Cuz I I I guess I >> How is that disputed? Cuz I I I guess I need to understand human history to need to understand human history to need to understand human history to understand why understand why understand why the the the fundamental belief that you the the the fundamental belief that you the the the fundamental belief that you have that there was a civilization that have that there was a civilization that have that there was a civilization that we aren't talking about.

we aren't talking about. we aren't talking about. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I I'd like to be clear >> I I'd like to be clear >> I I'd like to be clear >> It's not a belief. Um this is another is >> It's not a belief. Um this is another is >> It's not a belief. Um this is another is a mistake that my that my critics of a mistake that my that my critics of a mistake that my that my critics of often make. They they they think that often make. They they they think that often make. They they they think that I'm dealing with some sort of belief I'm dealing with some sort of belief I'm dealing with some sort of belief system or some sort of cult here. No, system or some sort of cult here. No, system or some sort of cult here. No, I'm not. I'm I'm just puzzled. I'm just I'm not. I'm I'm just puzzled. I'm just I'm not. I'm I'm just puzzled. I'm just puzzled by the past and I'm puzzled by puzzled by the past and I'm puzzled by puzzled by the past and I'm puzzled by the memories that have been the memories that have been the memories that have been passed down to us. And I'm puzzled that passed down to us. And I'm puzzled that passed down to us. And I'm puzzled that those memories those memories those memories concur all around the world on a serious concur all around the world on a serious concur all around the world on a serious cataclysmic event. cataclysmic event. cataclysmic event. >> What is it that the your your people >> What is it that the your your people >> What is it that the your your people that aren't puzzled and are certain that aren't puzzled and are certain that aren't puzzled and are certain belief? belief? belief? >> Yeah, they think that um glacial lakes >> Yeah, they think that um glacial lakes >> Yeah, they think that um glacial lakes in North America uh gradually grew in in North America uh gradually grew in in North America uh gradually grew in size and over spilled the ice dams that size and over spilled the ice dams that size and over spilled the ice dams that held them in place and that the um water held them in place and that the um water held them in place and that the um water from those lakes, some of it went into from those lakes, some of it went into from those lakes, some of it went into the Atlantic Ocean and cut the Gulf the Atlantic Ocean and cut the Gulf the Atlantic Ocean and cut the Gulf Stream. Stream. Stream. I don't dispute that. Glacial lakes were I don't dispute that. Glacial lakes were I don't dispute that. Glacial lakes were involved, but those lakes were filled up involved, but those lakes were filled up involved, but those lakes were filled up at a at a at a massive speed. Nobody disputes that the massive speed. Nobody disputes that the massive speed. Nobody disputes that the Younger Dryas was a cataclysmic event. Younger Dryas was a cataclysmic event. Younger Dryas was a cataclysmic event. It's just that the degree of the It's just that the degree of the It's just that the degree of the cataclysm that's disputed and what cataclysm that's disputed and what cataclysm that's disputed and what caused it that's disputed.

caused it that's disputed. caused it that's disputed. >> But everyone agrees that humans are >> But everyone agrees that humans are >> But everyone agrees that humans are 300 15,000 years old. 300 15,000 years old. 300 15,000 years old. >> at present. When I started on this quest >> at present. When I started on this quest >> at present. When I started on this quest back back in the late '80s, early '90s, back back in the late '80s, early '90s, back back in the late '80s, early '90s, it was felt that it was felt that it was felt that anatomically modern human beings had not anatomically modern human beings had not anatomically modern human beings had not existed for more than 50,000 years. Very existed for more than 50,000 years. Very existed for more than 50,000 years. Very recent, really. But this turned out to recent, really. But this turned out to recent, really. But this turned out to be complete rubbish because anatomically be complete rubbish because anatomically be complete rubbish because anatomically modern humans are much older than 50,000 modern humans are much older than 50,000 modern humans are much older than 50,000 years ago. We have 196,000 years ago. We have 196,000 years ago. We have 196,000 year-old anatomically modern human year-old anatomically modern human year-old anatomically modern human remains from Ethiopia. And then finally remains from Ethiopia. And then finally remains from Ethiopia. And then finally 315,000 315,000 315,000 years ago, a recent find in Jebel Irhoud years ago, a recent find in Jebel Irhoud years ago, a recent find in Jebel Irhoud in Morocco, in Morocco, in Morocco, again anatomically modern humans. So we again anatomically modern humans. So we again anatomically modern humans. So we can say that can say that can say that if we define ourselves by if we define ourselves by if we define ourselves by our anatomy, our anatomy, our anatomy, uh brain size, uh brain size, uh brain size, capacity of the skull, if we define capacity of the skull, if we define capacity of the skull, if we define ourselves in those ways, we've been ourselves in those ways, we've been ourselves in those ways, we've been around for at least 315,000 years and around for at least 315,000 years and around for at least 315,000 years and probably much longer. That's That's just probably much longer. That's That's just probably much longer. That's That's just an accident of discovery. And that's one an accident of discovery. And that's one an accident of discovery. And that's one of the things that puzzles me. If we're of the things that puzzles me. If we're of the things that puzzles me. If we're anatomically modern, if we've got all anatomically modern, if we've got all anatomically modern, if we've got all the modern kit, if we've got the same the modern kit, if we've got the same the modern kit, if we've got the same brains, we've got the same neurology, brains, we've got the same neurology, brains, we've got the same neurology, everything is there, why do we wait everything is there, why do we wait everything is there, why do we wait more than 300,000 years to establish more than 300,000 years to establish more than 300,000 years to establish something recognizable as a human something recognizable as a human something recognizable as a human civilization? Why do we wait so long? We civilization? Why do we wait so long? We civilization? Why do we wait so long? We got all the kit. There's evidence that got all the kit. There's evidence that got all the kit. There's evidence that that our ancestors were aware of that our ancestors were aware of that our ancestors were aware of agriculture, just chose not to use it agriculture, just chose not to use it agriculture, just chose not to use it much much much earlier than that. The

much much much earlier than that. The much much much earlier than that. The complex of complex of complex of events that leads to a city-based events that leads to a city-based events that leads to a city-based civilization, civilization, civilization, which is the kind of civilization we which is the kind of civilization we which is the kind of civilization we have now all over the world, that you have now all over the world, that you have now all over the world, that you can only really trace that back to 6,000 can only really trace that back to 6,000 can only really trace that back to 6,000 years ago. years ago. years ago. Yes, you can say that before 6,000 years Yes, you can say that before 6,000 years Yes, you can say that before 6,000 years ago there was build-up to what became ago there was build-up to what became ago there was build-up to what became the high civilizations. the high civilizations. the high civilizations. But my question is why not much earlier? But my question is why not much earlier? But my question is why not much earlier? Why Why Why Why did we wait until that moment? And I Why did we wait until that moment? And I Why did we wait until that moment? And I don't find a satisfactory answer to that don't find a satisfactory answer to that don't find a satisfactory answer to that question, except perhaps we didn't wait. question, except perhaps we didn't wait. question, except perhaps we didn't wait. Perhaps we're missing part of our story. Perhaps we're missing part of our story. Perhaps we're missing part of our story. And when I say a lost civilization, I do And when I say a lost civilization, I do And when I say a lost civilization, I do not mean a civilization like ours. I do not mean a civilization like ours. I do not mean a civilization like ours. I do not mean an industrial civilization. I not mean an industrial civilization. I not mean an industrial civilization. I don't mean they had cell phones or flew don't mean they had cell phones or flew don't mean they had cell phones or flew to the moon or any of that I to the moon or any of that I to the moon or any of that I think they were very different think they were very different think they were very different civilization from ours, but they had civilization from ours, but they had civilization from ours, but they had conquered a number of peaks. And one of conquered a number of peaks. And one of conquered a number of peaks. And one of those peaks was navigation and ocean those peaks was navigation and ocean those peaks was navigation and ocean seafaring, hence the survival of maps seafaring, hence the survival of maps seafaring, hence the survival of maps which show the world as it looked during which show the world as it looked during which show the world as it looked during the ice age. And another was astronomy, the ice age. And another was astronomy, the ice age. And another was astronomy, uh and another really important uh and another really important uh and another really important breakthrough evidenced by by the ancient breakthrough evidenced by by the ancient breakthrough evidenced by by the ancient maps, but particularly a category of maps, but particularly a category of maps, but particularly a category of maps called the Portolanos, maps called the Portolanos, maps called the Portolanos, is accurate relative longitudes. This is is accurate relative longitudes. This is is accurate relative longitudes. This is the Orontius Finaeus map. It shows the Orontius Finaeus map. It shows the Orontius Finaeus map. It shows Antarctica Antarctica Antarctica uh right there.

uh right there. uh right there. Uh and and um Uh and and um Uh and and um this is interesting cuz this map was this is interesting cuz this map was this is interesting cuz this map was drawn in 1531. drawn in 1531. drawn in 1531. Uh the problem is that our civilization Uh the problem is that our civilization Uh the problem is that our civilization didn't discover Antarctica until 1820. didn't discover Antarctica until 1820. didn't discover Antarctica until 1820. So, its appearance on a map drawn in So, its appearance on a map drawn in So, its appearance on a map drawn in 1521, 1521, 1521, particularly when we know that the map particularly when we know that the map particularly when we know that the map was based on older source maps, and the was based on older source maps, and the was based on older source maps, and the mapmaker tells us in his own legend that mapmaker tells us in his own legend that mapmaker tells us in his own legend that he has uncovered material previously he has uncovered material previously he has uncovered material previously hidden in darkness, hidden in darkness, hidden in darkness, when we find that, when we find that, when we find that, uh we have to begin to wonder what is uh we have to begin to wonder what is uh we have to begin to wonder what is what is going on here. Had somebody what is going on here. Had somebody what is going on here. Had somebody found Antarctica long before long before found Antarctica long before long before found Antarctica long before long before we did, we did, we did, uh and mapped it with extremely accurate uh and mapped it with extremely accurate uh and mapped it with extremely accurate relative longitudes. And that's relative longitudes. And that's relative longitudes. And that's important because our civilization important because our civilization important because our civilization didn't crack the longitude problem until didn't crack the longitude problem until didn't crack the longitude problem until the mid-18th century. What that meant the mid-18th century. What that meant the mid-18th century. What that meant was that if you're on a vessel sailing was that if you're on a vessel sailing was that if you're on a vessel sailing west or east, uh you might be 300 mi west or east, uh you might be 300 mi west or east, uh you might be 300 mi closer to a coastline than you think you closer to a coastline than you think you closer to a coastline than you think you are. And suddenly, you're on it in the are. And suddenly, you're on it in the are. And suddenly, you're on it in the night and you're dead. Once you've got night and you're dead. Once you've got night and you're dead. Once you've got longitude worked out, you know exactly longitude worked out, you know exactly longitude worked out, you know exactly where you are. And we didn't get that where you are. And we didn't get that where you are. And we didn't get that until 1750, 1760s there about with until 1750, 1760s there about with until 1750, 1760s there about with Harrison's chronometer. So, finding good Harrison's chronometer. So, finding good Harrison's chronometer. So, finding good longitudes on very ancient maps is longitudes on very ancient maps is longitudes on very ancient maps is another puzzle that I don't think another puzzle that I don't think another puzzle that I don't think archaeologists solved.

archaeologists solved. archaeologists solved. >> So, you think there could have been a >> So, you think there could have been a >> So, you think there could have been a civilization 20,000 years ago which was civilization 20,000 years ago which was civilization 20,000 years ago which was before this Younger Dryas moment where before this Younger Dryas moment where before this Younger Dryas moment where um I mean, I've got this photo here um I mean, I've got this photo here um I mean, I've got this photo here which I'll throw up on the screen which I'll throw up on the screen which I'll throw up on the screen I think you say is evidence that I think you say is evidence that I think you say is evidence that something took place. something took place. something took place. >> It is. That's That's the Younger Dryas >> It is. That's That's the Younger Dryas >> It is. That's That's the Younger Dryas boundary. And I'm with Alan West, who's boundary. And I'm with Alan West, who's boundary. And I'm with Alan West, who's one of the scientists from the from the one of the scientists from the from the one of the scientists from the from the comet research group who are working on comet research group who are working on comet research group who are working on the Younger Dryas hypothesis. And our the Younger Dryas hypothesis. And our the Younger Dryas hypothesis. And our hands are on that black stripe running hands are on that black stripe running hands are on that black stripe running through the middle of the draw. And that through the middle of the draw. And that through the middle of the draw. And that is soot. That is evidence of wildfires is soot. That is evidence of wildfires is soot. That is evidence of wildfires burning. burning. burning. It's full of nanodiamonds, tiny little It's full of nanodiamonds, tiny little It's full of nanodiamonds, tiny little diamonds, microscopic size, which are diamonds, microscopic size, which are diamonds, microscopic size, which are classic product of comet impacts, classic product of comet impacts, classic product of comet impacts, microspherules, some platinum, some microspherules, some platinum, some microspherules, some platinum, some iridium. All signatures of a cometary iridium. All signatures of a cometary iridium. All signatures of a cometary impact. And there it is. It's about 5 in impact. And there it is. It's about 5 in impact. And there it is. It's about 5 in thick. That layer is the Younger Dryas thick. That layer is the Younger Dryas thick. That layer is the Younger Dryas boundary layer. It dates to 12,800 years boundary layer. It dates to 12,800 years boundary layer. It dates to 12,800 years ago. ago. ago. >> So, for anyone that can't see, it's just >> So, for anyone that can't see, it's just >> So, for anyone that can't see, it's just like a slice of earth and there's this like a slice of earth and there's this like a slice of earth and there's this black line going through through the black line going through through the black line going through through the earth. earth. earth. >> We're in a draw here where a river has >> We're in a draw here where a river has >> We're in a draw here where a river has cut a channel. And it's exposed the cut a channel. And it's exposed the cut a channel. And it's exposed the sides of the channel. And on the sides sides of the channel. And on the sides sides of the channel. And on the sides of the channel, we can see this black of the channel, we can see this black of the channel, we can see this black stripe running through. And that is stripe running through. And that is stripe running through. And that is precisely the Younger Dryas boundary.

precisely the Younger Dryas boundary. precisely the Younger Dryas boundary. >> And the current hypothesis is from a lot >> And the current hypothesis is from a lot >> And the current hypothesis is from a lot of archaeologists is there wasn't a of archaeologists is there wasn't a of archaeologists is there wasn't a human civilization before this point, human civilization before this point, human civilization before this point, 12,000 years ago. But you believe 12,000 years ago. But you believe 12,000 years ago. But you believe there's strong evidence that there could there's strong evidence that there could there's strong evidence that there could have been. have been. have been. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, civilization then in your definition >> So, civilization then in your definition >> So, civilization then in your definition of the word, how do you define that? A of the word, how do you define that? A of the word, how do you define that? A group of people gathering and working group of people gathering and working group of people gathering and working together? together? together? >> Fundamentally, it involves It involves >> Fundamentally, it involves It involves >> Fundamentally, it involves It involves the willing organization or the the willing organization or the the willing organization or the unwilling organization of labor. If you unwilling organization of labor. If you unwilling organization of labor. If you look at a site like Göbekli Tepe in look at a site like Göbekli Tepe in look at a site like Göbekli Tepe in Turkey, we have it on our timeline here Turkey, we have it on our timeline here Turkey, we have it on our timeline here somewhere. It's 11,600 somewhere. It's 11,600 somewhere. It's 11,600 years old. This is really an years old. This is really an years old. This is really an extraordinary site. It's a It's a very extraordinary site. It's a It's a very extraordinary site. It's a It's a very sophisticated site. It's very large. It sophisticated site. It's very large. It sophisticated site. It's very large. It consists of large T-shaped megaliths consists of large T-shaped megaliths consists of large T-shaped megaliths that can weigh up to 20 tons. There are that can weigh up to 20 tons. There are that can weigh up to 20 tons. There are precise astronomical alignments in it. precise astronomical alignments in it. precise astronomical alignments in it. This was not done by two or three people This was not done by two or three people This was not done by two or three people working together. This was working together. This was working together. This was Well, that's the Göbekli Tepe today Well, that's the Göbekli Tepe today Well, that's the Göbekli Tepe today covered by a modern canopy to keep Fair covered by a modern canopy to keep Fair covered by a modern canopy to keep Fair enough to keep the the weather off it enough to keep the the weather off it enough to keep the the weather off it cuz it was previously deliberately cuz it was previously deliberately cuz it was previously deliberately buried by its builders.

buried by its builders. buried by its builders. But of course, there's much more around. But of course, there's much more around. But of course, there's much more around. Hundreds and hundreds more pillars are Hundreds and hundreds more pillars are Hundreds and hundreds more pillars are still underground. We know they're there still underground. We know they're there still underground. We know they're there because of ground penetrating radar, but because of ground penetrating radar, but because of ground penetrating radar, but they've not been excavated yet. So So they've not been excavated yet. So So they've not been excavated yet. So So this was a major project. And this was a major project. And this was a major project. And interestingly, the people who built interestingly, the people who built interestingly, the people who built Göbekli Tepe at that at the time Göbekli Göbekli Tepe at that at the time Göbekli Göbekli Tepe at that at the time Göbekli Tepe began, there was no agriculture Tepe began, there was no agriculture Tepe began, there was no agriculture happening there. They were all happening there. They were all happening there. They were all hunter-gatherers. hunter-gatherers. hunter-gatherers. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Nevertheless, they did something that >> Nevertheless, they did something that >> Nevertheless, they did something that archaeologists used to say archaeologists used to say archaeologists used to say hunter-gatherers couldn't do. They hunter-gatherers couldn't do. They hunter-gatherers couldn't do. They organized themselves. They made a huge organized themselves. They made a huge organized themselves. They made a huge project. They implemented it and they project. They implemented it and they project. They implemented it and they delivered it. And Göbekli Tepe is not delivered it. And Göbekli Tepe is not delivered it. And Göbekli Tepe is not alone. It's one of dozens of sites like alone. It's one of dozens of sites like alone. It's one of dozens of sites like that all over Anatolia in in in Turkey. that all over Anatolia in in in Turkey. that all over Anatolia in in in Turkey. This was a highly organized This was a highly organized This was a highly organized sophisticated hunter-gatherer sophisticated hunter-gatherer sophisticated hunter-gatherer civilization that was involved in making civilization that was involved in making civilization that was involved in making this place. this place. this place. >> I'm I'm a little bit confused. So if the >> I'm I'm a little bit confused. So if the >> I'm I'm a little bit confused. So if the ice age ended 11,700 years ago, ice age ended 11,700 years ago, ice age ended 11,700 years ago, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> and Göbekli Tepe is 11,600 years ago, >> and Göbekli Tepe is 11,600 years ago, >> and Göbekli Tepe is 11,600 years ago, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> that means there's a 100-year gap >> that means there's a 100-year gap >> that means there's a 100-year gap between the end of the ice age and between the end of the ice age and between the end of the ice age and something as sophisticated as Göbekli something as sophisticated as Göbekli something as sophisticated as Göbekli Tepe. Tepe. Tepe. >> Not exactly because because dates in >> Not exactly because because dates in >> Not exactly because because dates in this frame they're not spot-on accurate this frame they're not spot-on accurate this frame they're not spot-on accurate dates. Some will say the ice age ended dates. Some will say the ice age ended dates. Some will say the ice age ended 11,600. Some will say it ended 11,700 11,600. Some will say it ended 11,700 11,600. Some will say it ended 11,700 years ago. But the fact is that in this years ago. But the fact is that in this years ago. But the fact is that in this window, the world was warming up again.

window, the world was warming up again. window, the world was warming up again. It was getting better. And that's when It was getting better. And that's when It was getting better. And that's when this project was was created. And the this project was was created. And the this project was was created. And the mystery is mystery for for mystery is mystery for for mystery is mystery for for archaeologists anyway is that it was archaeologists anyway is that it was archaeologists anyway is that it was hunter-gatherers. And archaeologists are hunter-gatherers. And archaeologists are hunter-gatherers. And archaeologists are now having to come to terms with that. now having to come to terms with that. now having to come to terms with that. You see, the idea was you had to have an You see, the idea was you had to have an You see, the idea was you had to have an agricultural community first agricultural community first agricultural community first in order to create projects like this in order to create projects like this in order to create projects like this because that allows people to become because that allows people to become because that allows people to become specialists. If you generate a food specialists. If you generate a food specialists. If you generate a food surplus that you can rely on, then you surplus that you can rely on, then you surplus that you can rely on, then you can take people with certain skills and can take people with certain skills and can take people with certain skills and say focus on that. Become an astronomer. say focus on that. Become an astronomer. say focus on that. Become an astronomer. Become an architect. Become an engineer. Become an architect. Become an engineer. Become an architect. Become an engineer. We'll support you in doing that. That We'll support you in doing that. That We'll support you in doing that. That was the idea and that was why it was was the idea and that was why it was was the idea and that was why it was felt that something like Göbekli Tepe felt that something like Göbekli Tepe felt that something like Göbekli Tepe couldn't be built until about 6,000 couldn't be built until about 6,000 couldn't be built until about 6,000 years ago when there was widespread years ago when there was widespread years ago when there was widespread agriculture, but that turned out not to agriculture, but that turned out not to agriculture, but that turned out not to be true. be true. be true. Uh it was built by hunter-gatherers, but Uh it was built by hunter-gatherers, but Uh it was built by hunter-gatherers, but within a thousand years of it being within a thousand years of it being within a thousand years of it being built, agriculture becomes present in built, agriculture becomes present in built, agriculture becomes present in that whole area. that whole area. that whole area. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Origins of agriculture are definitely >> Origins of agriculture are definitely >> Origins of agriculture are definitely earlier than we've than we've been earlier than we've than we've been earlier than we've than we've been taught. taught. taught. >> So, I I funny cuz I I don't know a lot >> So, I I funny cuz I I don't know a lot >> So, I I funny cuz I I don't know a lot about the ice age, but humans survived about the ice age, but humans survived about the ice age, but humans survived the ice age?

the ice age? the ice age? >> Oh god, yes. We we we we did. It's just >> Oh god, yes. We we we we did. It's just >> Oh god, yes. We we we we did. It's just It's just um It's just um It's just um Where do you want to be during an ice Where do you want to be during an ice Where do you want to be during an ice age? That's the question. age? That's the question. age? That's the question. >> What are my options? >> What are my options? >> What are my options? >> If you were a rational being, which most >> If you were a rational being, which most >> If you were a rational being, which most human beings are, human beings are, human beings are, you would immediately exclude northern you would immediately exclude northern you would immediately exclude northern Europe. Europe. Europe. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Absolutely [clears throat] >> Absolutely [clears throat] >> Absolutely [clears throat] no point in being in that frozen, no point in being in that frozen, no point in being in that frozen, miserable wilderness. miserable wilderness. miserable wilderness. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You'd immediately [clears throat] >> You'd immediately [clears throat] >> You'd immediately [clears throat] exclude the northern part of North exclude the northern part of North exclude the northern part of North America, too. No point in being there. America, too. No point in being there. America, too. No point in being there. It's just horrible at that time. It's just horrible at that time. It's just horrible at that time. Siberia, pretty rough. Siberia, pretty rough. Siberia, pretty rough. No, you'd look for the tropics. You'd go No, you'd look for the tropics. You'd go No, you'd look for the tropics. You'd go you'd go down close to the equator. you'd go down close to the equator. you'd go down close to the equator. You'd go to the places that weren't You'd go to the places that weren't You'd go to the places that weren't affected by the ice age, that were affected by the ice age, that were affected by the ice age, that were actually the best real estate on Earth. actually the best real estate on Earth. actually the best real estate on Earth. That's where you'd go. That's why uh if That's where you'd go. That's why uh if That's where you'd go. That's why uh if we are looking for we are looking for we are looking for a missing episode in the human story, a missing episode in the human story, a missing episode in the human story, we're wasting our time looking for it in we're wasting our time looking for it in we're wasting our time looking for it in northern Europe or North America. Uh we northern Europe or North America. Uh we northern Europe or North America. Uh we should be looking for it in Mexico. We should be looking for it in Mexico. We should be looking for it in Mexico. We should be looking for it in India. We should be looking for it in India. We should be looking for it in India. We should be looking for it in Indonesia.

should be looking for it in Indonesia. should be looking for it in Indonesia. We should be looking for it uh We should be looking for it uh We should be looking for it uh around Papua New Guinea. All of these around Papua New Guinea. All of these around Papua New Guinea. All of these areas that were that were really great areas that were that were really great areas that were that were really great places to live during the ice age. places to live during the ice age. places to live during the ice age. That's That's the kind of place that the That's That's the kind of place that the That's That's the kind of place that the sort of civilization I'm talking about sort of civilization I'm talking about sort of civilization I'm talking about could have thrived. could have thrived. could have thrived. >> What is the difference, you know, cuz on >> What is the difference, you know, cuz on >> What is the difference, you know, cuz on here it says the earliest known humans here it says the earliest known humans here it says the earliest known humans were 300,000 odd years ago? were 300,000 odd years ago? were 300,000 odd years ago? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What is the difference between these >> What is the difference between these >> What is the difference between these humans 300,000 years ago and the humans 300,000 years ago and the humans 300,000 years ago and the civilization you're describing 20,000 civilization you're describing 20,000 civilization you're describing 20,000 years ago that you believe existed? years ago that you believe existed? years ago that you believe existed? >> Apart from what is perhaps wrongly >> Apart from what is perhaps wrongly >> Apart from what is perhaps wrongly described as a slight refinement in described as a slight refinement in described as a slight refinement in human features, natural selection human features, natural selection human features, natural selection operating on what humans perceive as operating on what humans perceive as operating on what humans perceive as beauty, I don't know, but otherwise the beauty, I don't know, but otherwise the beauty, I don't know, but otherwise the same. same. same. >> The same? >> The same? >> The same? >> The same, yeah. Yeah. And again, that's >> The same, yeah. Yeah. And again, that's >> The same, yeah. Yeah. And again, that's not that's not disputed. Nobody's saying not that's not disputed. Nobody's saying not that's not disputed. Nobody's saying that Jebel Irhoud human beings were that Jebel Irhoud human beings were that Jebel Irhoud human beings were somehow different from us. They're somehow different from us. They're somehow different from us. They're anatomically modern humans. anatomically modern humans. anatomically modern humans. >> But how did they live um >> But how did they live um >> But how did they live um versus your definition of a versus your definition of a versus your definition of a civilization? civilization? civilization? >> They lived a simple hunter-gatherer >> They lived a simple hunter-gatherer >> They lived a simple hunter-gatherer life. life. life. >> Okay, in small groups. >> Okay, in small groups. >> Okay, in small groups. >> Yeah. But somehow >> Yeah. But somehow >> Yeah. But somehow around 11,600 years ago around 11,600 years ago around 11,600 years ago people started accumulating people started accumulating people started accumulating monuments that can only be made with monuments that can only be made with monuments that can only be made with large groups and organized organized large groups and organized organized large groups and organized organized labor. You've got to you you have to labor. You've got to you you have to labor. You've got to you you have to have a system. You have to have play have a system. You have to have play have a system. You have to have play can't build something like Göbekli Tepe can't build something like Göbekli Tepe can't build something like Göbekli Tepe without planning it out in advance.

without planning it out in advance. without planning it out in advance. You've got to draw it out somehow. There You've got to draw it out somehow. There You've got to draw it out somehow. There has to be a plan. It's not something you has to be a plan. It's not something you has to be a plan. It's not something you just wing. just wing. just wing. Uh so so there has to there's a missing Uh so so there has to there's a missing Uh so so there has to there's a missing background to all of that which bothers background to all of that which bothers background to all of that which bothers me. me. me. >> And again, so most people think >> And again, so most people think >> And again, so most people think civilization started what, 6,000 years civilization started what, 6,000 years civilization started what, 6,000 years ago? ago? ago? >> Yes, that would >> Yes, that would >> Yes, that would that would be when civilizations become that would be when civilizations become that would be when civilizations become archaeologically visible. So you have uh archaeologically visible. So you have uh archaeologically visible. So you have uh ancient Sumer, Mesopotamia. ancient Sumer, Mesopotamia. ancient Sumer, Mesopotamia. Uh which Uh which Uh which roughly 3,500 I'm going to use BC roughly 3,500 I'm going to use BC roughly 3,500 I'm going to use BC because everybody's familiar with that. because everybody's familiar with that. because everybody's familiar with that. There are roughly 3,500 BC There are roughly 3,500 BC There are roughly 3,500 BC which is 5,500 years ago, approximately, which is 5,500 years ago, approximately, which is 5,500 years ago, approximately, we start seeing cities being built. We we start seeing cities being built. We we start seeing cities being built. We start seeing the beginnings of writing start seeing the beginnings of writing start seeing the beginnings of writing taking place round about the same time. taking place round about the same time. taking place round about the same time. The same thing is happening in Egypt. The same thing is happening in Egypt. The same thing is happening in Egypt. Maybe a couple of hundred years later, Maybe a couple of hundred years later, Maybe a couple of hundred years later, but the new work that's being done in but the new work that's being done in but the new work that's being done in Egypt is pushing Egypt much closer to to Egypt is pushing Egypt much closer to to Egypt is pushing Egypt much closer to to Sumer. Sumer. Sumer. Narrowing that that window. Narrowing that that window. Narrowing that that window. Effectively, you can say that these two Effectively, you can say that these two Effectively, you can say that these two civilizations become archaeologically civilizations become archaeologically civilizations become archaeologically visible at the same time. And uh they're visible at the same time. And uh they're visible at the same time. And uh they're not alone because on the other side of not alone because on the other side of not alone because on the other side of the world in Peru uh there's a the world in Peru uh there's a the world in Peru uh there's a civilization now recognized called the civilization now recognized called the civilization now recognized called the Caral Supe civilization which built Caral Supe civilization which built Caral Supe civilization which built pyramids uh which also goes back 5,500 pyramids uh which also goes back 5,500 pyramids uh which also goes back 5,500 years. Uh, and and this is one of the years. Uh, and and this is one of the years. Uh, and and this is one of the mysteries I'm I'm looking at now is is mysteries I'm I'm looking at now is is mysteries I'm I'm looking at now is is why we have these why we have these why we have these apparently coincidental emergence of apparently coincidental emergence of apparently coincidental emergence of high civilizations in the same window high civilizations in the same window high civilizations in the same window all around the world. Indus Valley all around the world. Indus Valley all around the world. Indus Valley Civilization, roughly the same, 5,000 Civilization, roughly the same, 5,000 Civilization, roughly the same, 5,000 years old. Yeah, we're looking at Caral

years old. Yeah, we're looking at Caral years old. Yeah, we're looking at Caral here, I think. Yeah. Yeah. here, I think. Yeah. Yeah. here, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And these classic these The feature is And these classic these The feature is And these classic these The feature is these circular plazas in front of them these circular plazas in front of them these circular plazas in front of them and then the pyramid with her. and then the pyramid with her. and then the pyramid with her. And and uh, you know, these were not and And and uh, you know, these were not and And and uh, you know, these were not and not expected in Peru. When not expected in Peru. When not expected in Peru. When archaeologists think of Peru, they tend archaeologists think of Peru, they tend archaeologists think of Peru, they tend to think of Machu Picchu, the Inca to think of Machu Picchu, the Inca to think of Machu Picchu, the Inca civilization. That's what gets all the civilization. That's what gets all the civilization. That's what gets all the coverage. coverage. coverage. >> And that's 600 years ago. >> And that's 600 years ago. >> And that's 600 years ago. >> That's 600 years ago. That's yesterday. >> That's 600 years ago. That's yesterday. >> That's 600 years ago. That's yesterday. Whereas these Caral Supe pyramids, Whereas these Caral Supe pyramids, Whereas these Caral Supe pyramids, Caral, Aspero, Bandurria, Caral, Aspero, Bandurria, Caral, Aspero, Bandurria, Penico, these ones are Penico, these ones are Penico, these ones are much older. Thousands of years older. much older. Thousands of years older. much older. Thousands of years older. They're extremely sophisticated. They're They're extremely sophisticated. They're They're extremely sophisticated. They're built with an earthquake-proof built with an earthquake-proof built with an earthquake-proof technology. They technology. They technology. They instead of using blocks, they put small instead of using blocks, they put small instead of using blocks, they put small stones in in textile bags. Um, those stones in in textile bags. Um, those stones in in textile bags. Um, those allow a certain amount of shifting, so allow a certain amount of shifting, so allow a certain amount of shifting, so the thing doesn't collapse in an the thing doesn't collapse in an the thing doesn't collapse in an earthquake. And this is 5,500 years old earthquake. And this is 5,500 years old earthquake. And this is 5,500 years old getting on. So, again, not an getting on. So, again, not an getting on. So, again, not an agricultural civilization at the at that agricultural civilization at the at that agricultural civilization at the at that time. They're a hunter-gatherer time. They're a hunter-gatherer time. They're a hunter-gatherer civilization. So, so archaeologists are civilization. So, so archaeologists are civilization. So, so archaeologists are having to confront a reversal of their having to confront a reversal of their having to confront a reversal of their model at the moment. And I think there's model at the moment. And I think there's model at the moment. And I think there's room in that reversal of the model for a room in that reversal of the model for a room in that reversal of the model for a forgotten episode in the human story.

forgotten episode in the human story. forgotten episode in the human story. >> Tell me about this forgotten episode in >> Tell me about this forgotten episode in >> Tell me about this forgotten episode in the human story. the human story. the human story. >> Yeah, it's uh, it's remembered it's >> Yeah, it's uh, it's remembered it's >> Yeah, it's uh, it's remembered it's remembered all around the world as a remembered all around the world as a remembered all around the world as a golden age, where there was no violence, golden age, where there was no violence, golden age, where there was no violence, no cruelty. no cruelty. no cruelty. Um, where great healers and sages were Um, where great healers and sages were Um, where great healers and sages were at work. Where powers that are scorned at work. Where powers that are scorned at work. Where powers that are scorned in our society today, such as telepathy in our society today, such as telepathy in our society today, such as telepathy and telekinesis, which are regarded as and telekinesis, which are regarded as and telekinesis, which are regarded as completely non-existent by our completely non-existent by our completely non-existent by our scientists, scientists, scientists, uh were regarded as a matter of fact of uh were regarded as a matter of fact of uh were regarded as a matter of fact of life in in in this ancient world. That's life in in in this ancient world. That's life in in in this ancient world. That's uh a civilization that emerged out of uh a civilization that emerged out of uh a civilization that emerged out of shamanism uh and shamanism uh and shamanism uh and made something good. made something good. made something good. But then, But then, But then, if you follow the myths further as I've if you follow the myths further as I've if you follow the myths further as I've done, you find something odd happens. done, you find something odd happens. done, you find something odd happens. You find You find You find that they stepped away from the original that they stepped away from the original that they stepped away from the original purity. purity. purity. That they've become That they've become That they've become a culture that begins to impose its a culture that begins to impose its a culture that begins to impose its power on others around the world. And power on others around the world. And power on others around the world. And that's always given as the reason for that's always given as the reason for that's always given as the reason for the cataclysm in the myths that that we the cataclysm in the myths that that we the cataclysm in the myths that that we angered the gods. It might have been angered the gods. It might have been angered the gods. It might have been with our noise. It might have been with with our noise. It might have been with with our noise. It might have been with our irreverence. We angered the gods and our irreverence. We angered the gods and our irreverence. We angered the gods and they sent a flood. They weren't happy they sent a flood. They weren't happy they sent a flood. They weren't happy with their creation. They wanted to with their creation. They wanted to with their creation. They wanted to start again, wipe the slate clean. And start again, wipe the slate clean. And start again, wipe the slate clean. And so there's this There's always this so there's this There's always this so there's this There's always this feeling in the myths, and it's And I feeling in the myths, and it's And I feeling in the myths, and it's And I can't explain it. I don't know what what can't explain it. I don't know what what can't explain it. I don't know what what it comes from, but it's always there.

it comes from, but it's always there. it comes from, but it's always there. Is that in some way we ourselves Is that in some way we ourselves Is that in some way we ourselves brought this upon ourselves. brought this upon ourselves. brought this upon ourselves. >> Is this those people not understanding >> Is this those people not understanding >> Is this those people not understanding the forces of Mother Nature the forces of Mother Nature the forces of Mother Nature and trying to sort of justify it as and trying to sort of justify it as and trying to sort of justify it as uh uh uh >> Or or perhaps a deeper understanding of >> Or or perhaps a deeper understanding of >> Or or perhaps a deeper understanding of the forces of Mother Nature. the forces of Mother Nature. the forces of Mother Nature. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Perhaps the way that human beings are >> Perhaps the way that human beings are >> Perhaps the way that human beings are operating in the world today um should operating in the world today um should operating in the world today um should be be be included amongst the forces of nature. included amongst the forces of nature. included amongst the forces of nature. We we are a geological force. Uh and We we are a geological force. Uh and We we are a geological force. Uh and worse than that, we're a psychic force, worse than that, we're a psychic force, worse than that, we're a psychic force, which is full of anger and hatred and which is full of anger and hatred and which is full of anger and hatred and suspicion and and and mutual suspicion and and and mutual suspicion and and and mutual destruction. That's not going to be good destruction. That's not going to be good destruction. That's not going to be good for nature. That's [laughter] for nature. That's [laughter] for nature. That's [laughter] That's going to be disturbing. We're an That's going to be disturbing. We're an That's going to be disturbing. We're an integrated system in my view. We we integrated system in my view. We we integrated system in my view. We we we're not separate. Human beings are we're not separate. Human beings are we're not separate. Human beings are part of all of this, and what we do part of all of this, and what we do part of all of this, and what we do affects all of that. And that's what the affects all of that. And that's what the affects all of that. And that's what the ancient myths seem to testify to. ancient myths seem to testify to. ancient myths seem to testify to. So, So, So, if I may finish on that, if I may finish on that, if I may finish on that, when I look at our civilization today, I when I look at our civilization today, I when I look at our civilization today, I I don't want to go off on a rant, but I don't want to go off on a rant, but I don't want to go off on a rant, but when I look at our civilization today, I when I look at our civilization today, I when I look at our civilization today, I see a civilization that ticks all the see a civilization that ticks all the see a civilization that ticks all the mythological boxes, every single one, mythological boxes, every single one, mythological boxes, every single one, for the next lost civilization. And I for the next lost civilization. And I for the next lost civilization. And I envisage a situation envisage a situation envisage a situation 10 or 15,000 years from now, when we 10 or 15,000 years from now, when we 10 or 15,000 years from now, when we will be a myth, will be a myth, will be a myth, a fantasy, a fantasy, a fantasy, that our that our that our our ancestors our ancestors our ancestors actually could speak to one another on actually could speak to one another on actually could speak to one another on opposite sides of the planet, that our opposite sides of the planet, that our opposite sides of the planet, that our ancestors, they could fly to the moon.

ancestors, they could fly to the moon. ancestors, they could fly to the moon. Uh, you know, they could go to the Uh, you know, they could go to the Uh, you know, they could go to the depths of the ocean. The archaeologists depths of the ocean. The archaeologists depths of the ocean. The archaeologists of that time will say, "Complete of that time will say, "Complete of that time will say, "Complete fantasy, just made up, never happened." fantasy, just made up, never happened." fantasy, just made up, never happened." But it did. But it did. But it did. We're that lost civilization. We're that lost civilization. We're that lost civilization. And we don't need a comet, and we don't And we don't need a comet, and we don't And we don't need a comet, and we don't need solar activity, because of we're so need solar activity, because of we're so need solar activity, because of we're so psychically messed up as a species, psychically messed up as a species, psychically messed up as a species, we'll probably end up doing it to we'll probably end up doing it to we'll probably end up doing it to ourselves. That's what nuclear weapons are about, That's what nuclear weapons are about, mass species suicide. And the mental And the mental processes that drive that, processes that drive that, processes that drive that, very dangerous, very dangerous, very dangerous, very effective of the world we live in. very effective of the world we live in. very effective of the world we live in. >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> Hatred is a >> Hatred is a >> Hatred is a psychic force, and psychic force, and psychic force, and the way it's being generated around the the way it's being generated around the the way it's being generated around the world at the moment and mobilized and world at the moment and mobilized and world at the moment and mobilized and focused, focused, focused, is um it's got to be bad for all of us. is um it's got to be bad for all of us. is um it's got to be bad for all of us. >> Especially when we have such powers to >> Especially when we have such powers to >> Especially when we have such powers to self-destruct. self-destruct. self-destruct. >> Oh, it's terrible. This >> Oh, it's terrible. This >> Oh, it's terrible. This This is what drives me nuts, is is This is what drives me nuts, is is This is what drives me nuts, is is looking at the low consciousness level looking at the low consciousness level looking at the low consciousness level of the so-called leaders on this planet.

of the so-called leaders on this planet. of the so-called leaders on this planet. When I look around the whole bunch of When I look around the whole bunch of When I look around the whole bunch of them, them, them, I just see very low consciousness I just see very low consciousness I just see very low consciousness individuals who define everything in individuals who define everything in individuals who define everything in material terms, material terms, material terms, uh who who are who are uh who who are who are uh who who are who are who are focused on who are focused on who are focused on This also gets me into trouble, but I This also gets me into trouble, but I This also gets me into trouble, but I I think nationalism something that I think nationalism something that I think nationalism something that humanity needs to grow out of. We need humanity needs to grow out of. We need humanity needs to grow out of. We need to grow out of nationalism. It's just an to grow out of nationalism. It's just an to grow out of nationalism. It's just an extension of tribalism. We need to grow extension of tribalism. We need to grow extension of tribalism. We need to grow out of it soon. And let me be clear, I out of it soon. And let me be clear, I out of it soon. And let me be clear, I am not talking about world government. I am not talking about world government. I am not talking about world government. I don't want anything like I don't want don't want anything like I don't want don't want anything like I don't want any government. I'm an anarchist any government. I'm an anarchist any government. I'm an anarchist basically. That's what anarchy means. It basically. That's what anarchy means. It basically. That's what anarchy means. It means without government. I don't want means without government. I don't want means without government. I don't want any government at all. But we have to any government at all. But we have to any government at all. But we have to get past this notion that by accident I get past this notion that by accident I get past this notion that by accident I was born with this particular skin, you was born with this particular skin, you was born with this particular skin, you know. The notion is that this these know. The notion is that this these know. The notion is that this these accidents of birth define us. That we accidents of birth define us. That we accidents of birth define us. That we must somehow massively respect and love must somehow massively respect and love must somehow massively respect and love people who look like us and and and kind people who look like us and and and kind people who look like us and and and kind of hate and fear people who don't look of hate and fear people who don't look of hate and fear people who don't look like us. We have to get past that. We like us. We have to get past that. We like us. We have to get past that. We have to get past that as a species. It's have to get past that as a species. It's have to get past that as a species. It's really important. All human beings really important. All human beings really important. All human beings everywhere all the same fundamentally.

everywhere all the same fundamentally. everywhere all the same fundamentally. Of course we're vastly diverse. We have Of course we're vastly diverse. We have Of course we're vastly diverse. We have we have incredible different gifts. we have incredible different gifts. we have incredible different gifts. I value and appreciate the differences I value and appreciate the differences I value and appreciate the differences in different cultures all around the in different cultures all around the in different cultures all around the world. This is wonderful, but it doesn't world. This is wonderful, but it doesn't world. This is wonderful, but it doesn't have to come with and we are better than have to come with and we are better than have to come with and we are better than you. And we're going to kill you because you. And we're going to kill you because you. And we're going to kill you because you don't share our ideas. This is you don't share our ideas. This is you don't share our ideas. This is insane. It's it's crazy. We're not a insane. It's it's crazy. We're not a insane. It's it's crazy. We're not a mature species. We're we're a childish mature species. We're we're a childish mature species. We're we're a childish species and leading our species are species and leading our species are species and leading our species are leaders who have the mentality of leaders who have the mentality of leaders who have the mentality of deranged teenagers. deranged teenagers. deranged teenagers. >> We elected them. >> We elected them. >> We elected them. >> Yeah, we did. Very unfortunately, which >> Yeah, we did. Very unfortunately, which >> Yeah, we did. Very unfortunately, which shows how easy it is to manipulate the shows how easy it is to manipulate the shows how easy it is to manipulate the narrative in the world today. Today who narrative in the world today. Today who narrative in the world today. Today who wins in elections isn't the best person. wins in elections isn't the best person. wins in elections isn't the best person. Isn't the good person. Isn't the person Isn't the good person. Isn't the person Isn't the good person. Isn't the person who's going to do good. It's the best who's going to do good. It's the best who's going to do good. It's the best communicator who wins. communicator who wins. communicator who wins. >> So this >> So this >> So this ancient civilization that we could have ancient civilization that we could have ancient civilization that we could have theoretically forgotten, you were theoretically forgotten, you were theoretically forgotten, you were somewhat implying that maybe they were somewhat implying that maybe they were somewhat implying that maybe they were right that their own actions right that their own actions right that their own actions caused the caused the caused the great flood as they say. They they they great flood as they say. They they they great flood as they say. They they they talk about it in mythology.

talk about it in mythology. talk about it in mythology. >> floated that notion, yeah. Yeah. They >> floated that notion, yeah. Yeah. They >> floated that notion, yeah. Yeah. They might be might have been. but it's might be might have been. but it's might be might have been. but it's enough to say that that's what they enough to say that that's what they enough to say that that's what they believed. believed. believed. Because that's what all the myths say. Because that's what all the myths say. Because that's what all the myths say. The Noah story is prefigured in ancient The Noah story is prefigured in ancient The Noah story is prefigured in ancient Sumer, Sumer, Sumer, um with um um with um um with um an almost identical flood myth. The gods an almost identical flood myth. The gods an almost identical flood myth. The gods are angry. are angry. are angry. A great flood is going to be sent. The A great flood is going to be sent. The A great flood is going to be sent. The intention is to wipe out humanity. intention is to wipe out humanity. intention is to wipe out humanity. But this this god who's called Enki But this this god who's called Enki But this this god who's called Enki says to Atrahasis, "I'm going to save says to Atrahasis, "I'm going to save says to Atrahasis, "I'm going to save you. you. you. Build a boat. Build it now, a big one. Build a boat. Build it now, a big one. Build a boat. Build it now, a big one. Put into it the seeds of all things that Put into it the seeds of all things that Put into it the seeds of all things that you will need. Bring each animal of you will need. Bring each animal of you will need. Bring each animal of every kind into your boat. This is This every kind into your boat. This is This every kind into your boat. This is This is a kind of survival ark, which is is a kind of survival ark, which is is a kind of survival ark, which is exactly the same as Noah. Noah's ark is exactly the same as Noah. Noah's ark is exactly the same as Noah. Noah's ark is just copied on that. It's just borrowed just copied on that. It's just borrowed just copied on that. It's just borrowed from that. from that. from that. >> And to people that say, "Well, these are >> And to people that say, "Well, these are >> And to people that say, "Well, these are just stories. These are fictions that just stories. These are fictions that just stories. These are fictions that someone wrote and then they passed them someone wrote and then they passed them someone wrote and then they passed them down and there's no truth in these down and there's no truth in these down and there's no truth in these things at all." things at all." things at all." >> They're welcome to say that. Uh I I I >> They're welcome to say that. Uh I I I >> They're welcome to say that. Uh I I I just happen to think they're not. And just happen to think they're not. And just happen to think they're not. And And my job has been to make that case. I And my job has been to make that case. I And my job has been to make that case. I do not claim that I have proved there do not claim that I have proved there do not claim that I have proved there was a lost civilization. Any was a lost civilization. Any was a lost civilization. Any archaeologist who says Hancock claims archaeologist who says Hancock claims archaeologist who says Hancock claims he's proved that is lying. I don't claim he's proved that is lying. I don't claim he's proved that is lying. I don't claim that. I claim I'm puzzled and mystified that. I claim I'm puzzled and mystified that. I claim I'm puzzled and mystified and I'm going to I'm going to com- and I'm going to I'm going to com- and I'm going to I'm going to com- plete that journey as long as I can. I'm plete that journey as long as I can. I'm plete that journey as long as I can. I'm going to carry on investigating and going to carry on investigating and going to carry on investigating and looking into all aspects of this because looking into all aspects of this because looking into all aspects of this because that's what I'm here to do.

that's what I'm here to do. that's what I'm here to do. >> And that lost civilization, you said >> And that lost civilization, you said >> And that lost civilization, you said they were sea-bearing potentially. they were sea-bearing potentially. they were sea-bearing potentially. >> Sea-faring, yeah. Yeah. >> Sea-faring, yeah. Yeah. >> Sea-faring, yeah. Yeah. >> Which means they had boats. >> Which means they had boats. >> Which means they had boats. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we know for example that >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we know for example that >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we know for example that anatomically modern human beings uh anatomically modern human beings uh anatomically modern human beings uh reached Australia 60,000 years ago. So, reached Australia 60,000 years ago. So, reached Australia 60,000 years ago. So, that those involve significant sea that those involve significant sea that those involve significant sea journeys. They reached Cyprus uh in the journeys. They reached Cyprus uh in the journeys. They reached Cyprus uh in the Mediterranean 14,000 years ago. Again, Mediterranean 14,000 years ago. Again, Mediterranean 14,000 years ago. Again, they involve sea journeys. Not engine they involve sea journeys. Not engine they involve sea journeys. Not engine boats, not metal boats. You can do it on boats, not metal boats. You can do it on boats, not metal boats. You can do it on quite simple craft. Look at Look at the quite simple craft. Look at Look at the quite simple craft. Look at Look at the Polynesians. Look at the vast distances Polynesians. Look at the vast distances Polynesians. Look at the vast distances that they explored on outrigger canoes. that they explored on outrigger canoes. that they explored on outrigger canoes. Uh so, yeah, boats, but not Uh so, yeah, boats, but not Uh so, yeah, boats, but not our kind of boats. our kind of boats. our kind of boats. >> Hm. >> Hm. >> Hm. I just don't understand how if if I just don't understand how if if I just don't understand how if if they're traveling the seas in boats, they're traveling the seas in boats, they're traveling the seas in boats, have they they aren't classified as a have they they aren't classified as a have they they aren't classified as a civilization? civilization? civilization? >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, because because because according to the mainstream model, which according to the mainstream model, which according to the mainstream model, which I am trying to provide an alternative I am trying to provide an alternative I am trying to provide an alternative to, they never existed. to, they never existed. to, they never existed. There was no such people. They never did There was no such people. They never did There was no such people. They never did these things. The maps are just these things. The maps are just these things. The maps are just coincidences, irrelevant. Just odd They coincidences, irrelevant. Just odd They coincidences, irrelevant. Just odd They put Antarctica They put a a landmass in put Antarctica They put a a landmass in put Antarctica They put a a landmass in Antarctica cuz they felt it would Antarctica cuz they felt it would Antarctica cuz they felt it would balance the world. That's the theory balance the world. That's the theory balance the world. That's the theory that's given. And it's just To me, it's that's given. And it's just To me, it's that's given. And it's just To me, it's not It's not satisfactory. Doesn't It not It's not satisfactory. Doesn't It not It's not satisfactory. Doesn't It just doesn't add up. These things need just doesn't add up. These things need just doesn't add up. These things need to be explained. And it's why it's why to be explained. And it's why it's why to be explained. And it's why it's why in every society which wishes to make in every society which wishes to make in every society which wishes to make progress, progress, progress, uh uh uh mavericks, people who go against the mavericks, people who go against the mavericks, people who go against the grain, no matter grain, no matter grain, no matter how much they have to take, are how much they have to take, are how much they have to take, are needed. They're needed in our society to needed. They're needed in our society to needed. They're needed in our society to provide a balance to this

provide a balance to this provide a balance to this overwhelming overwhelming overwhelming mass that science now occupies. Science mass that science now occupies. Science mass that science now occupies. Science has now come to occupy the space that has now come to occupy the space that has now come to occupy the space that religion occupied in many people's religion occupied in many people's religion occupied in many people's minds. minds. minds. And again, I need to emphasize I'm not And again, I need to emphasize I'm not And again, I need to emphasize I'm not against science. Science Science is against science. Science Science is against science. Science Science is about to save my life. I have major about to save my life. I have major about to save my life. I have major heart surgery coming up in 2 weeks' heart surgery coming up in 2 weeks' heart surgery coming up in 2 weeks' time. I'm not against it at all, but I time. I'm not against it at all, but I time. I'm not against it at all, but I think it should be one weapon in our think it should be one weapon in our think it should be one weapon in our armory, not the only weapon. armory, not the only weapon. armory, not the only weapon. >> There should be a button just down below >> There should be a button just down below >> There should be a button just down below here. And if it says subscribe, you're here. And if it says subscribe, you're here. And if it says subscribe, you're already subscribed. If it says subscribe already subscribed. If it says subscribe already subscribed. If it says subscribe bar, that means you're not yet. And if bar, that means you're not yet. And if bar, that means you're not yet. And if you're not subscribed, please could you you're not subscribed, please could you you're not subscribed, please could you do us a favor and hit that button. It do us a favor and hit that button. It do us a favor and hit that button. It helps the show more than you know. And helps the show more than you know. And helps the show more than you know. And according to the algorithm, you're according to the algorithm, you're according to the algorithm, you're someone that watches our show, but you someone that watches our show, but you someone that watches our show, but you haven't yet hit that button. Thank you haven't yet hit that button. Thank you haven't yet hit that button. Thank you so much. so much. so much. One of the One of the One of the things I was super curious about cuz I things I was super curious about cuz I things I was super curious about cuz I was actually there last last week was actually there last last week was actually there last last week is this place. is this place. is this place. >> Giza. >> Giza. >> Giza. >> Pyramids of Giza. >> Pyramids of Giza. >> Pyramids of Giza. >> The Great Pyramid of Giza. >> The Great Pyramid of Giza. >> The Great Pyramid of Giza. Here we look at it. Here we look at it. Here we look at it. Attributed to the pharaoh Attributed to the pharaoh Attributed to the pharaoh Khufu. Khufu. Khufu. >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> Who was a pharaoh of the fourth dynasty. >> Who was a pharaoh of the fourth dynasty. >> Who was a pharaoh of the fourth dynasty. >> What is the mystery here? So, again, >> What is the mystery here? So, again, >> What is the mystery here? So, again, pyramids are this big stack of like pyramids are this big stack of like pyramids are this big stack of like concrete blocks in Egypt.

concrete blocks in Egypt. concrete blocks in Egypt. What is the Why is it so mysterious? What is the Why is it so mysterious? What is the Why is it so mysterious? >> Well, first of all, they're not >> Well, first of all, they're not >> Well, first of all, they're not concrete. They're They're hewn limestone concrete. They're They're hewn limestone concrete. They're They're hewn limestone um and granite. um and granite. um and granite. Uh Uh Uh First of all, it's mysterious for the First of all, it's mysterious for the First of all, it's mysterious for the sheer size of it. Look. sheer size of it. Look. sheer size of it. Look. So, you got roughly 750 ft along each So, you got roughly 750 ft along each So, you got roughly 750 ft along each side, okay? side, okay? side, okay? >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> And >> And >> And they vary in length by only fractions of they vary in length by only fractions of they vary in length by only fractions of an inch. They've got it just about an inch. They've got it just about an inch. They've got it just about spot-on exact on the side length, and spot-on exact on the side length, and spot-on exact on the side length, and you want that in a pyramid because if you want that in a pyramid because if you want that in a pyramid because if you get it wrong, you're going to end up you get it wrong, you're going to end up you get it wrong, you're going to end up with a corkscrew rather than a pyramid. with a corkscrew rather than a pyramid. with a corkscrew rather than a pyramid. If you get it wrong at the bottom, those If you get it wrong at the bottom, those If you get it wrong at the bottom, those errors are going to magnify, and they're errors are going to magnify, and they're errors are going to magnify, and they're going to get worse and worse, and it's going to get worse and worse, and it's going to get worse and worse, and it's not going to be a pyramid at the end of not going to be a pyramid at the end of not going to be a pyramid at the end of the day. the day. the day. Secondly, Secondly, Secondly, weight calculated at about 6 million weight calculated at about 6 million weight calculated at about 6 million tons. tons. tons. More than 2 million individual blocks of More than 2 million individual blocks of More than 2 million individual blocks of stone. stone. stone. I've climbed the pyramid five times. I've climbed the pyramid five times. I've climbed the pyramid five times. Once I climbed it when there was an Once I climbed it when there was an Once I climbed it when there was an event taking place on the Giza Plateau. event taking place on the Giza Plateau. event taking place on the Giza Plateau. Picnics, basically. And And a lot of Picnics, basically. And And a lot of Picnics, basically. And And a lot of Cairoenes just decided to climb the Cairoenes just decided to climb the Cairoenes just decided to climb the pyramid. As I say, I've climbed it four pyramid. As I say, I've climbed it four pyramid. As I say, I've climbed it four other times without other people there, other times without other people there, other times without other people there, but this time there were hundreds of but this time there were hundreds of but this time there were hundreds of people on the pyramid.

people on the pyramid. people on the pyramid. That's when I realized how difficult That's when I realized how difficult That's when I realized how difficult this thing is to make because the this thing is to make because the this thing is to make because the biggest danger was the other people. biggest danger was the other people. biggest danger was the other people. Once you're up Once you're up Once you're up two or three courses, you fall, you're two or three courses, you fall, you're two or three courses, you fall, you're dead. It's uh it's a 52° slope. There's dead. It's uh it's a 52° slope. There's dead. It's uh it's a 52° slope. There's no way you're going to stop. You're no way you're going to stop. You're no way you're going to stop. You're going to come down and still every year going to come down and still every year going to come down and still every year people die on the Great Pyramid. That's people die on the Great Pyramid. That's people die on the Great Pyramid. That's why they've made it illegal to climb it why they've made it illegal to climb it why they've made it illegal to climb it now. now. now. So, there's that. Then there's the So, there's that. Then there's the So, there's that. Then there's the almost perfect alignment of the Great almost perfect alignment of the Great almost perfect alignment of the Great Pyramid to true north, not to compass Pyramid to true north, not to compass Pyramid to true north, not to compass north, which is about 10 or 11° off true north, which is about 10 or 11° off true north, which is about 10 or 11° off true north, but to astronomical north, real north, but to astronomical north, real north, but to astronomical north, real north. The Great Pyramid is aligned north. The Great Pyramid is aligned north. The Great Pyramid is aligned within 3/60 of a single degree. I put it within 3/60 of a single degree. I put it within 3/60 of a single degree. I put it that way because degrees are divided that way because degrees are divided that way because degrees are divided into 60 minutes. So, 3 minutes of arc. into 60 minutes. So, 3 minutes of arc. into 60 minutes. So, 3 minutes of arc. The Great Pyramid is aligned to that The Great Pyramid is aligned to that The Great Pyramid is aligned to that level of precision, 360th of a single level of precision, 360th of a single level of precision, 360th of a single degree to true north. And they've done degree to true north. And they've done degree to true north. And they've done that on a 6 million-ton monument, which that on a 6 million-ton monument, which that on a 6 million-ton monument, which is 481 ft high, is 481 ft high, is 481 ft high, if you take account of its original if you take account of its original if you take account of its original height, which has a 52° slope, which is height, which has a 52° slope, which is height, which has a 52° slope, which is filled with internal corridors and filled with internal corridors and filled with internal corridors and spaces, grand gallery, the ascending, spaces, grand gallery, the ascending, spaces, grand gallery, the ascending, the descending corridors.

the descending corridors. the descending corridors. All of this is extremely difficult to All of this is extremely difficult to All of this is extremely difficult to do. It is It's not impossible to do do. It is It's not impossible to do do. It is It's not impossible to do because we see it there. Could our because we see it there. Could our because we see it there. Could our civilization do it? Yeah, I think we civilization do it? Yeah, I think we civilization do it? Yeah, I think we could. could. could. But, would we do it? No, I don't think But, would we do it? No, I don't think But, would we do it? No, I don't think we would. The motive wouldn't be there. we would. The motive wouldn't be there. we would. The motive wouldn't be there. People say, "Well, why I mean why do you People say, "Well, why I mean why do you People say, "Well, why I mean why do you want to align it perfectly to true want to align it perfectly to true want to align it perfectly to true north? It's enough to ask me to build a north? It's enough to ask me to build a north? It's enough to ask me to build a 6-million-ton monument, but you want it 6-million-ton monument, but you want it 6-million-ton monument, but you want it aligned to true north as well? Come on. aligned to true north as well? Come on. aligned to true north as well? Come on. I mean, that's a really difficult I mean, that's a really difficult I mean, that's a really difficult specification." We'd find that hard. specification." We'd find that hard. specification." We'd find that hard. Um a kind of artistry Um a kind of artistry Um a kind of artistry was put to work on the Great Pyramid as was put to work on the Great Pyramid as was put to work on the Great Pyramid as well as skill. Let's get rid of any well as skill. Let's get rid of any well as skill. Let's get rid of any notion that slaves were involved. They notion that slaves were involved. They notion that slaves were involved. They were not. There there wasn't slavery in were not. There there wasn't slavery in were not. There there wasn't slavery in the Old Kingdom anyway, but this is a the Old Kingdom anyway, but this is a the Old Kingdom anyway, but this is a work of love from the first to the last work of love from the first to the last work of love from the first to the last stone. It's a work [clears throat] done stone. It's a work [clears throat] done stone. It's a work [clears throat] done with great skill and care. It's a with great skill and care. It's a with great skill and care. It's a beautiful and extraordinary thing, both beautiful and extraordinary thing, both beautiful and extraordinary thing, both inside and out. It sits almost exactly inside and out. It sits almost exactly inside and out. It sits almost exactly on latitude 30, which is 1/3 of the way on latitude 30, which is 1/3 of the way on latitude 30, which is 1/3 of the way between the North Pole and the equator.

between the North Pole and the equator. between the North Pole and the equator. And And And it incorporates the dimensions of the it incorporates the dimensions of the it incorporates the dimensions of the Earth Earth Earth on a scale of 1 to 43,200 on a scale of 1 to 43,200 on a scale of 1 to 43,200 in its own dimensions. So, if you take in its own dimensions. So, if you take in its own dimensions. So, if you take the height of the Great Pyramid and the height of the Great Pyramid and the height of the Great Pyramid and multiply it by 43,200, multiply it by 43,200, multiply it by 43,200, I'll explain why that number matters. I'll explain why that number matters. I'll explain why that number matters. Multiply it by that number, you get the Multiply it by that number, you get the Multiply it by that number, you get the polar radius of the Earth. Measure the polar radius of the Earth. Measure the polar radius of the Earth. Measure the base perimeter of the Great Pyramid, base perimeter of the Great Pyramid, base perimeter of the Great Pyramid, multiply it by the same factor, 43,200, multiply it by the same factor, 43,200, multiply it by the same factor, 43,200, you get the equatorial circumference of you get the equatorial circumference of you get the equatorial circumference of the Earth. Archaeologists know this. Archaeologists know this. They say it's a coincidence, total They say it's a coincidence, total They say it's a coincidence, total coincidence, just by chance. coincidence, just by chance. coincidence, just by chance. However, I could agree with them However, I could agree with them However, I could agree with them actually if the scale was not 1 to actually if the scale was not 1 to actually if the scale was not 1 to 43,200. 43,200. 43,200. But the fact that it's 1 to 43,200 But the fact that it's 1 to 43,200 But the fact that it's 1 to 43,200 changes everything because that belongs changes everything because that belongs changes everything because that belongs to a sequence of numbers that is found to a sequence of numbers that is found to a sequence of numbers that is found in ancient mythology all around the in ancient mythology all around the in ancient mythology all around the world. And those numbers are all world. And those numbers are all world. And those numbers are all multiples of the number 72. And I multiples of the number 72. And I multiples of the number 72. And I mentioned at the beginning of our mentioned at the beginning of our mentioned at the beginning of our discussion the book by the great discussion the book by the great discussion the book by the great historian of science, Giorgio de historian of science, Giorgio de historian of science, Giorgio de Santillana, professor of the history of Santillana, professor of the history of Santillana, professor of the history of science at MIT. He was the first to science at MIT. He was the first to science at MIT. He was the first to identify that these numbers and the identify that these numbers and the identify that these numbers and the imagery that go with them imagery that go with them imagery that go with them derive from a phenomenon called the derive from a phenomenon called the derive from a phenomenon called the precession of the equinoxes. I better precession of the equinoxes. I better precession of the equinoxes. I better explain that a little bit. The explain that a little bit. The explain that a little bit. The precession of the equinoxes precession of the equinoxes precession of the equinoxes Everybody's heard the song, "We live in Everybody's heard the song, "We live in Everybody's heard the song, "We live in the dawning of the age of Aquarius."

the dawning of the age of Aquarius." the dawning of the age of Aquarius." I'm sure you've heard that. I'm sure you've heard that. I'm sure you've heard that. >> Uh no comment. >> Uh no comment. >> Uh no comment. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> We live in the dawning of the age of >> We live in the dawning of the age of >> We live in the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Aquarius. Aquarius. That's astrology. That's astrology. That's astrology. At the moment, and for the last 2,000 At the moment, and for the last 2,000 At the moment, and for the last 2,000 years, on the spring equinox, the sun years, on the spring equinox, the sun years, on the spring equinox, the sun has risen against the background of the has risen against the background of the has risen against the background of the constellation of Pisces. constellation of Pisces. constellation of Pisces. That's the age of Pisces. We live in the That's the age of Pisces. We live in the That's the age of Pisces. We live in the age of Pisces. It's not an accident that age of Pisces. It's not an accident that age of Pisces. It's not an accident that the early Christians used the fish as the early Christians used the fish as the early Christians used the fish as their symbol. their symbol. their symbol. The next constellation on the zodiac, The next constellation on the zodiac, The next constellation on the zodiac, when you go backwards around it, is when you go backwards around it, is when you go backwards around it, is Aquarius. Aquarius. Aquarius. And the precession is actually caused by And the precession is actually caused by And the precession is actually caused by a wobble on the axis of the earth. I'm a wobble on the axis of the earth. I'm a wobble on the axis of the earth. I'm going to pretend that this is the earth. going to pretend that this is the earth. going to pretend that this is the earth. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And >> And >> And instead of just doing this, while it's instead of just doing this, while it's instead of just doing this, while it's doing that, it's also doing that. It's doing that, it's also doing that. It's doing that, it's also doing that. It's wobbling. wobbling. wobbling. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And that affects the rising time and >> And that affects the rising time and >> And that affects the rising time and season at which particular stars rise. season at which particular stars rise. season at which particular stars rise. It affects It affects It affects two things noticeably. One thing it two things noticeably. One thing it two things noticeably. One thing it affects is the pole star. At the moment, affects is the pole star. At the moment, affects is the pole star. At the moment, the pole star is Polaris. The pole star, the pole star is Polaris. The pole star, the pole star is Polaris. The pole star, this is a strong astronomical north.

this is a strong astronomical north. this is a strong astronomical north. It's the star towards which the the It's the star towards which the the It's the star towards which the the north pole pole of the earth points most north pole pole of the earth points most north pole pole of the earth points most directly. directly. directly. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> At present it's Polaris. It hasn't >> At present it's Polaris. It hasn't >> At present it's Polaris. It hasn't always been Polaris. 4,000 years ago it always been Polaris. 4,000 years ago it always been Polaris. 4,000 years ago it was Thuban in the constellation of was Thuban in the constellation of was Thuban in the constellation of Draco. That's because the earth axis is Draco. That's because the earth axis is Draco. That's because the earth axis is doing this. At the horizon it does the doing this. At the horizon it does the doing this. At the horizon it does the same thing with the zodiacal same thing with the zodiacal same thing with the zodiacal constellations. We shift gradually constellations. We shift gradually constellations. We shift gradually through each constellation. Last about through each constellation. Last about through each constellation. Last about 2,000 years in each constellation. The 2,000 years in each constellation. The 2,000 years in each constellation. The great year where we come back to square great year where we come back to square great year where we come back to square one is just under 26,000 years. 25,920 one is just under 26,000 years. 25,920 one is just under 26,000 years. 25,920 years is the convention that's applied years is the convention that's applied years is the convention that's applied in ancient mythology. So, the fact that in ancient mythology. So, the fact that in ancient mythology. So, the fact that one of those numbers is the scale used one of those numbers is the scale used one of those numbers is the scale used to encode the dimensions of the earth in to encode the dimensions of the earth in to encode the dimensions of the earth in the Great Pyramid cannot be accidental the Great Pyramid cannot be accidental the Great Pyramid cannot be accidental in my view. It's a deliberate choice. If in my view. It's a deliberate choice. If in my view. It's a deliberate choice. If it was 1 to 57,000 it was 1 to 57,000 it was 1 to 57,000 I wouldn't pay attention to it. If it I wouldn't pay attention to it. If it I wouldn't pay attention to it. If it was 1 to 20 was 1 to 20 was 1 to 20 1,000 I wouldn't pay attention to it. 1,000 I wouldn't pay attention to it. 1,000 I wouldn't pay attention to it. But 1 to 43,200 But 1 to 43,200 But 1 to 43,200 that's the number of syllables in the that's the number of syllables in the that's the number of syllables in the Rigveda for example. You find this all Rigveda for example. You find this all Rigveda for example. You find this all over the world, everywhere. over the world, everywhere. over the world, everywhere. >> So, what does that imply?

>> So, what does that imply? >> So, what does that imply? What suggest? What suggest? What suggest? >> What it suggests is that incorporated >> What it suggests is that incorporated >> What it suggests is that incorporated into the building of the Great Pyramid into the building of the Great Pyramid into the building of the Great Pyramid was knowledge that was not supposed to was knowledge that was not supposed to was knowledge that was not supposed to have existed 4 and 1/2 thousand years have existed 4 and 1/2 thousand years have existed 4 and 1/2 thousand years ago. In fact, knowledge that was not ago. In fact, knowledge that was not ago. In fact, knowledge that was not supposed to have existed until 2,000 supposed to have existed until 2,000 supposed to have existed until 2,000 years ago. Hipparchus of Alexandria is years ago. Hipparchus of Alexandria is years ago. Hipparchus of Alexandria is the Greek who was supposed to have the Greek who was supposed to have the Greek who was supposed to have discovered precession. discovered precession. discovered precession. Uh but Uh but Uh but the incorporation of precession in the the incorporation of precession in the the incorporation of precession in the structure of the Great Pyramid says to structure of the Great Pyramid says to structure of the Great Pyramid says to me that that knowledge is much older. It me that that knowledge is much older. It me that that knowledge is much older. It was already old then. was already old then. was already old then. >> I really want to make sure I'm clear on >> I really want to make sure I'm clear on >> I really want to make sure I'm clear on this precession thing cuz I'm not I'm this precession thing cuz I'm not I'm this precession thing cuz I'm not I'm not super clear. not super clear. not super clear. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um what does it what does it mean >> Um what does it what does it mean >> Um what does it what does it mean precession? It means that there's a precession? It means that there's a precession? It means that there's a certain star pattern that we see once certain star pattern that we see once certain star pattern that we see once every 20,000 years? every 20,000 years? every 20,000 years? >> It it it it precesses. It goes >> It it it it precesses. It goes >> It it it it precesses. It goes backwards. backwards. backwards. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> The direction through the through the >> The direction through the through the >> The direction through the through the zodiac is is forwards in the normal zodiac is is forwards in the normal zodiac is is forwards in the normal year. But in the long-term year because year. But in the long-term year because year. But in the long-term year because of the wobble the sunrise against the of the wobble the sunrise against the of the wobble the sunrise against the background of the spring equinox the sun background of the spring equinox the sun background of the spring equinox the sun rises perfectly due east. It always rises perfectly due east. It always rises perfectly due east. It always does. It also rises perfectly due east does. It also rises perfectly due east does. It also rises perfectly due east on the autumn equinox. On the summer on the autumn equinox. On the summer on the autumn equinox. On the summer solstice, the sun rises in the northern solstice, the sun rises in the northern solstice, the sun rises in the northern hemisphere north of east and south of hemisphere north of east and south of hemisphere north of east and south of east on the on the winter solstice. The east on the on the winter solstice. The east on the on the winter solstice. The key moment key moment key moment for the ancients was the equinox.

for the ancients was the equinox. for the ancients was the equinox. It was considered to define the It was considered to define the It was considered to define the character of the year and what defined character of the year and what defined character of the year and what defined it was the constellation that housed the it was the constellation that housed the it was the constellation that housed the sun, that was the house of the sun. sun, that was the house of the sun. sun, that was the house of the sun. >> Okay, so the star pattern. >> Okay, so the star pattern. >> Okay, so the star pattern. >> Yeah, the >> Yeah, the >> Yeah, the a zodiacal constellation. These The a zodiacal constellation. These The a zodiacal constellation. These The constellations of the zodiac lie along constellations of the zodiac lie along constellations of the zodiac lie along what is called the ecliptic, the path of what is called the ecliptic, the path of what is called the ecliptic, the path of the sun. the sun. the sun. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay, the Earth, the Moon, we're all on >> Okay, the Earth, the Moon, we're all on >> Okay, the Earth, the Moon, we're all on the ecliptic within the ecliptic within the ecliptic within a few degrees above or below it. And and a few degrees above or below it. And and a few degrees above or below it. And and therefore, these are constellations that therefore, these are constellations that therefore, these are constellations that we can see the sun against the we can see the sun against the we can see the sun against the background of. background of. background of. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Constellation like Orion, you'll never >> Constellation like Orion, you'll never >> Constellation like Orion, you'll never see the sun against the background of see the sun against the background of see the sun against the background of it. You're only going to see it against it. You're only going to see it against it. You're only going to see it against the background of the zodiacal the background of the zodiacal the background of the zodiacal constellations that lie on the so-called constellations that lie on the so-called constellations that lie on the so-called path of the sun. And those are the 12 path of the sun. And those are the 12 path of the sun. And those are the 12 familiar constellations of the zodiac. familiar constellations of the zodiac. familiar constellations of the zodiac. And as I say, And as I say, And as I say, we're living in the age of Pisces right we're living in the age of Pisces right we're living in the age of Pisces right now and according to ancient astrology, now and according to ancient astrology, now and according to ancient astrology, we're going to be making the transition we're going to be making the transition we're going to be making the transition into Aquarius within about the next 150 into Aquarius within about the next 150 into Aquarius within about the next 150 years. The sun will have left Pisces and years. The sun will have left Pisces and years. The sun will have left Pisces and will be rising in Aquarius. So that will be rising in Aquarius. So that will be rising in Aquarius. So that actually the song is true. We do live in actually the song is true. We do live in actually the song is true. We do live in the dawning of the age of Aquarius. The the dawning of the age of Aquarius. The the dawning of the age of Aquarius. The only question is whether that means only question is whether that means only question is whether that means anything or not. The ancients thought it anything or not. The ancients thought it anything or not. The ancients thought it did.

did. did. We think it doesn't. We think it doesn't. We think it doesn't. I'm not sure who's right. I'm not sure who's right. I'm not sure who's right. >> So, I'm going to repeat this back to you >> So, I'm going to repeat this back to you >> So, I'm going to repeat this back to you to check if I'm I've got it correctly, to check if I'm I've got it correctly, to check if I'm I've got it correctly, but [clears throat] I suspect I might but [clears throat] I suspect I might but [clears throat] I suspect I might not have. Within the design of the not have. Within the design of the not have. Within the design of the pyramids, there was a number which you pyramids, there was a number which you pyramids, there was a number which you said was 43,200. said was 43,200. said was 43,200. >> It's a scale. >> It's a scale. >> It's a scale. >> It's a scale that's used for the height >> It's a scale that's used for the height >> It's a scale that's used for the height and the base perimeter of the Great and the base perimeter of the Great and the base perimeter of the Great Pyramid. Base perimeter measure, four Pyramid. Base perimeter measure, four Pyramid. Base perimeter measure, four sides added together, height, the actual sides added together, height, the actual sides added together, height, the actual height of the Great Pyramid. It's true height of the Great Pyramid. It's true height of the Great Pyramid. It's true original height. It lost about 30 ft in original height. It lost about 30 ft in original height. It lost about 30 ft in an earthquake in 1301, but you can an earthquake in 1301, but you can an earthquake in 1301, but you can calculate the true original height from calculate the true original height from calculate the true original height from the angle of the the angle of the the angle of the of the sides. of the sides. of the sides. >> Ah, yeah, Right. >> Ah, yeah, Right. >> Ah, yeah, Right. >> Um and when you take that height >> Um and when you take that height >> Um and when you take that height and multiply it by 43,200, and multiply it by 43,200, and multiply it by 43,200, you get the polar radius of the Earth. you get the polar radius of the Earth. you get the polar radius of the Earth. >> You get the radius of the Earth. >> You get the radius of the Earth. >> You get the radius of the Earth. >> that's from the center of the Earth to >> that's from the center of the Earth to >> that's from the center of the Earth to the edge of the Earth. It's not the the edge of the Earth. It's not the the edge of the Earth. It's not the diameter of the Earth. The diameter is diameter of the Earth. The diameter is diameter of the Earth. The diameter is twice the radius. twice the radius. twice the radius. It's the It's the polar radius. It's the It's the polar radius. It's the It's the polar radius. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> A key dimension of the Earth. >> A key dimension of the Earth. >> A key dimension of the Earth. Measure the sides and you get Measure the sides and you get Measure the sides and you get on the same scale, 1 to 43,200, you get on the same scale, 1 to 43,200, you get on the same scale, 1 to 43,200, you get the equatorial circumference of the the equatorial circumference of the the equatorial circumference of the Earth. What the Earth measures at its Earth. What the Earth measures at its Earth. What the Earth measures at its equator, its largest its largest equator, its largest its largest equator, its largest its largest measure.

measure. measure. Um and and that Um and and that Um and and that uh is either a coincidence or is uh is either a coincidence or is uh is either a coincidence or is deliberate. And because of the number deliberate. And because of the number deliberate. And because of the number chosen and because that number is all chosen and because that number is all chosen and because that number is all over ancient mythology, I think it's over ancient mythology, I think it's over ancient mythology, I think it's deliberate. deliberate. deliberate. >> Did that means that they must have known >> Did that means that they must have known >> Did that means that they must have known the circumference of the Earth? the circumference of the Earth? the circumference of the Earth? >> Yeah. It means that they knew the >> Yeah. It means that they knew the >> Yeah. It means that they knew the circumference of the Earth and it means circumference of the Earth and it means circumference of the Earth and it means they chose they chose they chose a place to put the Great Pyramid which a place to put the Great Pyramid which a place to put the Great Pyramid which also was relevant. also was relevant. also was relevant. This isn't latitude 23 or latitude 37. This isn't latitude 23 or latitude 37. This isn't latitude 23 or latitude 37. This is just a fraction off latitude 30° This is just a fraction off latitude 30° This is just a fraction off latitude 30° north. So, therefore, 1/3 of the way north. So, therefore, 1/3 of the way north. So, therefore, 1/3 of the way between the equator and the North Pole. between the equator and the North Pole. between the equator and the North Pole. It's a It's a It's a significant It's a It's a It's a significant It's a It's a It's a significant relative What it's telling us is this relative What it's telling us is this relative What it's telling us is this monument speaks to the Earth. This monument speaks to the Earth. This monument speaks to the Earth. This monument is locked into the true north monument is locked into the true north monument is locked into the true north of this planet. of this planet. of this planet. This monument gives you the dimensions This monument gives you the dimensions This monument gives you the dimensions of this planet. This monument is of this planet. This monument is of this planet. This monument is speaking to this planet. speaking to this planet. speaking to this planet. >> How could they possibly know the >> How could they possibly know the >> How could they possibly know the circumference of the Earth 4,500 years circumference of the Earth 4,500 years circumference of the Earth 4,500 years ago? ago? ago? >> Because they're a lost civilization. >> Because they're a lost civilization. >> Because they're a lost civilization. Because the the knowledge comes down Because the the knowledge comes down Because the the knowledge comes down from a former time. I don't think the from a former time. I don't think the from a former time. I don't think the Egyptians knew it. I think it came down.

Egyptians knew it. I think it came down. Egyptians knew it. I think it came down. I think it was inherited knowledge from I think it was inherited knowledge from I think it was inherited knowledge from what I'm here what I'm here what I'm here to advocate for and to speak for, the to advocate for and to speak for, the to advocate for and to speak for, the possibility of a major forgotten episode possibility of a major forgotten episode possibility of a major forgotten episode in the human story. in the human story. in the human story. >> Which could be 20,000 years ago. >> Which could be 20,000 years ago. >> Which could be 20,000 years ago. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And they've passed it down in in myths >> And they've passed it down in in myths >> And they've passed it down in in myths and stories. and stories. and stories. >> Yes. Passed it down but not only in >> Yes. Passed it down but not only in >> Yes. Passed it down but not only in myths and stories. myths and stories. myths and stories. Um this is something else that I will Um this is something else that I will Um this is something else that I will I'll just hint at here that I intend to I'll just hint at here that I intend to I'll just hint at here that I intend to get into get into get into in the new book in the new book in the new book is that there appear to have been is that there appear to have been is that there appear to have been organizations organizations organizations in each of these civilizations. In Egypt in each of these civilizations. In Egypt in each of these civilizations. In Egypt they were called the followers of Horus. they were called the followers of Horus. they were called the followers of Horus. In Sumer they were called the Apkallu. In Sumer they were called the Apkallu. In Sumer they were called the Apkallu. They served as advisers to kings. They They served as advisers to kings. They They served as advisers to kings. They were called sages. There's a reference were called sages. There's a reference were called sages. There's a reference to them. Many cultures refer to them as to them. Many cultures refer to them as to them. Many cultures refer to them as the seven sages. the seven sages. the seven sages. They provided advice to kings in the They provided advice to kings in the They provided advice to kings in the historical period. historical period. historical period. And I'm wondering whether we're looking And I'm wondering whether we're looking And I'm wondering whether we're looking at some kind of at some kind of at some kind of long-lived organization here which is long-lived organization here which is long-lived organization here which is carrying down information looking for carrying down information looking for carrying down information looking for the right time to switch the engine of the right time to switch the engine of the right time to switch the engine of civilization back on again. I know it's civilization back on again. I know it's civilization back on again. I know it's sounds extreme but sounds extreme but sounds extreme but that's what I do. I explore I explore that's what I do. I explore I explore that's what I do. I explore I explore extreme ideas and see whether extreme ideas and see whether extreme ideas and see whether and see whether they fit or not. And I'm and see whether they fit or not. And I'm and see whether they fit or not. And I'm beginning to find this idea does fit. It beginning to find this idea does fit. It beginning to find this idea does fit. It It fit It fits with a whole range of It fit It fits with a whole range of It fit It fits with a whole range of information which will be in the next information which will be in the next information which will be in the next book.

book. book. >> A sage that reports to the king and >> A sage that reports to the king and >> A sage that reports to the king and dictates dictates dictates >> only reports to the king but advises the >> only reports to the king but advises the >> only reports to the king but advises the king. king. king. >> On what? >> On what? >> On what? >> On everything. On what to do. >> On everything. On what to do. >> On everything. On what to do. >> Oh okay. >> Oh okay. >> Oh okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The Apkallu in the ancient traditions of The Apkallu in the ancient traditions of The Apkallu in the ancient traditions of Sumer they existed in the pre-diluvian Sumer they existed in the pre-diluvian Sumer they existed in the pre-diluvian world. They were there in the world world. They were there in the world world. They were there in the world before the flood. before the flood. before the flood. Then there and and they taught mankind Then there and and they taught mankind Then there and and they taught mankind knowledge then. knowledge then. knowledge then. But But But the flood came, the cataclysm came. They the flood came, the cataclysm came. They the flood came, the cataclysm came. They were wiped out but some of the Apkallu were wiped out but some of the Apkallu were wiped out but some of the Apkallu survived and they appear after the flood survived and they appear after the flood survived and they appear after the flood as advisers to the earliest historical as advisers to the earliest historical as advisers to the earliest historical kings of Sumer. And I'm just wondering kings of Sumer. And I'm just wondering kings of Sumer. And I'm just wondering whether whether whether you know, there are there are religions you know, there are there are religions you know, there are there are religions in the world which have maintained in the world which have maintained in the world which have maintained traditions and maintained offices, traditions and maintained offices, traditions and maintained offices, priesthoods for example, for thousands priesthoods for example, for thousands priesthoods for example, for thousands of years. I don't see why the same of years. I don't see why the same of years. I don't see why the same shouldn't be true here, why there shouldn't be true here, why there shouldn't be true here, why there shouldn't have been some driving motive shouldn't have been some driving motive shouldn't have been some driving motive at the end of the Ice Age to preserve in at the end of the Ice Age to preserve in at the end of the Ice Age to preserve in a way what they knew, and to find a way what they knew, and to find a way what they knew, and to find mechanisms to pass it down. One mechanisms to pass it down. One mechanisms to pass it down. One mechanism is to embed it in wonderful mechanism is to embed it in wonderful mechanism is to embed it in wonderful stories that will go on being told, and stories that will go on being told, and stories that will go on being told, and another mechanism is to set up some kind another mechanism is to set up some kind another mechanism is to set up some kind of secret society, which is operating of secret society, which is operating of secret society, which is operating behind the scenes to guide and steer behind the scenes to guide and steer behind the scenes to guide and steer society. I'm not going to present the society. I'm not going to present the society. I'm not going to present the evidence for that here, but it's an evidence for that here, but it's an evidence for that here, but it's an avenue I'm pursuing. If I If I don't avenue I'm pursuing. If I If I don't avenue I'm pursuing. If I If I don't find it a satisfactory avenue, I'll find it a satisfactory avenue, I'll find it a satisfactory avenue, I'll abandon it, but at the moment it's abandon it, but at the moment it's abandon it, but at the moment it's looking very interesting.

looking very interesting. looking very interesting. >> Then where did all this information >> Then where did all this information >> Then where did all this information go? You know, cuz if the people who go? You know, cuz if the people who go? You know, cuz if the people who built the pyramids of Giza had this built the pyramids of Giza had this built the pyramids of Giza had this information, where did the sages go and information, where did the sages go and information, where did the sages go and with their information? with their information? with their information? >> Yeah, it's very it's very odd, actually. >> Yeah, it's very it's very odd, actually. >> Yeah, it's very it's very odd, actually. What What happens after Giza is What What happens after Giza is What What happens after Giza is fascinating, fascinating, fascinating, um because once you um because once you um because once you once you leave the Fourth Dynasty once you leave the Fourth Dynasty once you leave the Fourth Dynasty period, you get into the Fifth and Sixth period, you get into the Fifth and Sixth period, you get into the Fifth and Sixth Dynasties, pyramid building collapses. Dynasties, pyramid building collapses. Dynasties, pyramid building collapses. The stuff they're making in the Fifth The stuff they're making in the Fifth The stuff they're making in the Fifth Dynasty, like the Pyramid of Unas, Dynasty, like the Pyramid of Unas, Dynasty, like the Pyramid of Unas, Fifth Dynasty pyramid Fifth Dynasty pyramid Fifth Dynasty pyramid in Saqqara, in Saqqara, in Saqqara, inside, it's stunningly beautiful. inside, it's stunningly beautiful. inside, it's stunningly beautiful. Beautiful tomb chamber, stars on the Beautiful tomb chamber, stars on the Beautiful tomb chamber, stars on the ceiling, incredible hieroglyphs on the ceiling, incredible hieroglyphs on the ceiling, incredible hieroglyphs on the side. It's side. It's side. It's magical. But outside, it's just a pile magical. But outside, it's just a pile magical. But outside, it's just a pile of dust. It's a mess. It doesn't even of dust. It's a mess. It doesn't even of dust. It's a mess. It doesn't even You could hardly recognize it as a You could hardly recognize it as a You could hardly recognize it as a pyramid. And it's true of all those. So, pyramid. And it's true of all those. So, pyramid. And it's true of all those. So, this is odd in itself. this is odd in itself. this is odd in itself. Normally, when human cultures create Normally, when human cultures create Normally, when human cultures create something, they continue to work on it, something, they continue to work on it, something, they continue to work on it, and it tends to get better and better, and it tends to get better and better, and it tends to get better and better, not worse and worse. So, it's odd what not worse and worse. So, it's odd what not worse and worse. So, it's odd what happens to the pyramids, that they get happens to the pyramids, that they get happens to the pyramids, that they get worse and worse in Egypt. It's like, worse and worse in Egypt. It's like, worse and worse in Egypt. It's like, "Job done. Done that. Move on." And "Job done. Done that. Move on." And "Job done. Done that. Move on." And that's there.

that's there. that's there. And that's going to speak And that's going to speak And that's going to speak to human beings not just for a to human beings not just for a to human beings not just for a generation, not just for a hundred generation, not just for a hundred generation, not just for a hundred years. It's going to be there speaking years. It's going to be there speaking years. It's going to be there speaking to us for thousands of years. It's going to us for thousands of years. It's going to us for thousands of years. It's going to be sitting there on the Giza Plateau, to be sitting there on the Giza Plateau, to be sitting there on the Giza Plateau, like an enormous question mark, like an enormous question mark, like an enormous question mark, calling towards it those who don't see calling towards it those who don't see calling towards it those who don't see it just as a heap of stones, but it just as a heap of stones, but it just as a heap of stones, but actually see it as something wonderful actually see it as something wonderful actually see it as something wonderful and magnificent and mysterious, calling and magnificent and mysterious, calling and magnificent and mysterious, calling them to it and saying, "Learn about me. them to it and saying, "Learn about me. them to it and saying, "Learn about me. Figure me out. And in the process of Figure me out. And in the process of Figure me out. And in the process of learning about me, you're going to learn learning about me, you're going to learn learning about me, you're going to learn so much else." Well, in learning about so much else." Well, in learning about so much else." Well, in learning about the Great Pyramid, I find that it is the Great Pyramid, I find that it is the Great Pyramid, I find that it is encoded with astronomical information encoded with astronomical information encoded with astronomical information that should not be there if the current that should not be there if the current that should not be there if the current model of the history of science is model of the history of science is model of the history of science is correct. correct. correct. I think the current model of the history I think the current model of the history I think the current model of the history of science is wrong. I think this of science is wrong. I think this of science is wrong. I think this information was known much earlier, and information was known much earlier, and information was known much earlier, and it's encoded in the Great Pyramid. Once it's encoded in the Great Pyramid. Once it's encoded in the Great Pyramid. Once I know that, then I have to start I know that, then I have to start I know that, then I have to start thinking, "What else does that mean?" thinking, "What else does that mean?" thinking, "What else does that mean?" And what else it means to me is a big And what else it means to me is a big And what else it means to me is a big forgotten episode in our story. forgotten episode in our story. forgotten episode in our story. >> Again, why? >> Again, why? >> Again, why? Because they had intelligence that Because they had intelligence that Because they had intelligence that they're not credited with having at that they're not credited with having at that they're not credited with having at that time.

time. time. >> Yes, because it's there. Because they >> Yes, because it's there. Because they >> Yes, because it's there. Because they should not be a monument of this should not be a monument of this should not be a monument of this scale, which incorporates into it scale, which incorporates into it scale, which incorporates into it information that was not supposed to be information that was not supposed to be information that was not supposed to be available to human beings for another 2 available to human beings for another 2 available to human beings for another 2 and 1/2 thousand years. and 1/2 thousand years. and 1/2 thousand years. >> So, they must have got it from >> So, they must have got it from >> So, they must have got it from somewhere. somewhere. somewhere. >> Yes, they must have got it from >> Yes, they must have got it from >> Yes, they must have got it from somewhere. And and the fact that it's somewhere. And and the fact that it's somewhere. And and the fact that it's there is it's there is it's there is it's it's just a fact. And all that's left it's just a fact. And all that's left it's just a fact. And all that's left for us to say is for us to say is for us to say is either it's a coincidence, complete either it's a coincidence, complete either it's a coincidence, complete coincidence, or coincidence, or coincidence, or it's the result of a deliberate it's the result of a deliberate it's the result of a deliberate decision. decision. decision. And if it's the result of a deliberate And if it's the result of a deliberate And if it's the result of a deliberate decision, that weighs much more towards decision, that weighs much more towards decision, that weighs much more towards a deliberate decision because of the a deliberate decision because of the a deliberate decision because of the scale chosen. Because the scale is part scale chosen. Because the scale is part scale chosen. Because the scale is part of a system that is found all over the of a system that is found all over the of a system that is found all over the ancient world. It's not a random number. ancient world. It's not a random number. ancient world. It's not a random number. It's a very specific number. It's a very specific number. It's a very specific number. Uh and it's a number that is derived Uh and it's a number that is derived Uh and it's a number that is derived from a motion of the Earth itself, from from a motion of the Earth itself, from from a motion of the Earth itself, from the precession of the Earth's axis. It the precession of the Earth's axis. It the precession of the Earth's axis. It is derived from that. So, is derived from that. So, is derived from that. So, I'm situated at a significant latitude. I'm situated at a significant latitude. I'm situated at a significant latitude. I'm oriented to true north, and I I'm oriented to true north, and I I'm oriented to true north, and I incorporate the measurements of your incorporate the measurements of your incorporate the measurements of your planet planet planet on a scale derived from your planet on a scale derived from your planet on a scale derived from your planet itself. That's what the Great Pyramid is itself. That's what the Great Pyramid is itself. That's what the Great Pyramid is saying to us, and it's saying, saying to us, and it's saying, saying to us, and it's saying, "Figure that out."

"Figure that out." "Figure that out." >> Do you think there's something >> Do you think there's something >> Do you think there's something underneath it? underneath it? underneath it? >> Oh, there's definitely something >> Oh, there's definitely something >> Oh, there's definitely something underneath it. underneath it. underneath it. >> Cuz we think of it as this sort of like >> Cuz we think of it as this sort of like >> Cuz we think of it as this sort of like building with the with tunnels inside building with the with tunnels inside building with the with tunnels inside it, but it, but it, but >> Yeah, when you go into the Great Pyramid >> Yeah, when you go into the Great Pyramid >> Yeah, when you go into the Great Pyramid now, you go in through what is what is now, you go in through what is what is now, you go in through what is what is called the Robbers' Tunnel or Mamoun's called the Robbers' Tunnel or Mamoun's called the Robbers' Tunnel or Mamoun's Hole. The Caliph al-Mamoun Hole. The Caliph al-Mamoun Hole. The Caliph al-Mamoun had a notion that had a notion that had a notion that there would be a entrance to the Great there would be a entrance to the Great there would be a entrance to the Great Pyramid in its northern face. Pyramid in its northern face. Pyramid in its northern face. Other pyramids had been found with Other pyramids had been found with Other pyramids had been found with entrances in their northern face, but at entrances in their northern face, but at entrances in their northern face, but at that time, the Great Pyramid was that time, the Great Pyramid was that time, the Great Pyramid was completely covered with perfectly smooth completely covered with perfectly smooth completely covered with perfectly smooth limestone facing stones, and nobody limestone facing stones, and nobody limestone facing stones, and nobody could see the entrance. could see the entrance. could see the entrance. They came off later in that earthquake They came off later in that earthquake They came off later in that earthquake in 1301, but when he broke in in the 9th in 1301, but when he broke in in the 9th in 1301, but when he broke in in the 9th century, century, century, they didn't know where the door was. they didn't know where the door was. they didn't know where the door was. Apparently, there was a place you could Apparently, there was a place you could Apparently, there was a place you could almost literally press a switch and open almost literally press a switch and open almost literally press a switch and open that door, but they couldn't find it. that door, but they couldn't find it. that door, but they couldn't find it. So, they broke in with sledgehammers and So, they broke in with sledgehammers and So, they broke in with sledgehammers and chisels, and they smashed their way into chisels, and they smashed their way into chisels, and they smashed their way into the Great Pyramid, and then, the Great Pyramid, and then, the Great Pyramid, and then, at a certain moment when they're about at a certain moment when they're about at a certain moment when they're about 60 or 70 ft into the Great Pyramid, they 60 or 70 ft into the Great Pyramid, they 60 or 70 ft into the Great Pyramid, they hear something dropping in a hollow hear something dropping in a hollow hear something dropping in a hollow space. space. space. A big A big A big something has fallen in a hollow space.

something has fallen in a hollow space. something has fallen in a hollow space. They head towards that sound, They head towards that sound, They head towards that sound, and then, they enter the original and then, they enter the original and then, they enter the original corridor system of the Great Pyramid. corridor system of the Great Pyramid. corridor system of the Great Pyramid. And that's the way we all go in now. We And that's the way we all go in now. We And that's the way we all go in now. We go in through that Robbers' Tunnel, and go in through that Robbers' Tunnel, and go in through that Robbers' Tunnel, and then we go up the Grand Gallery, but we then we go up the Grand Gallery, but we then we go up the Grand Gallery, but we can also go down. We can go down to the can also go down. We can go down to the can also go down. We can go down to the subterranean chamber, which is 100 ft subterranean chamber, which is 100 ft subterranean chamber, which is 100 ft vertically beneath the base of the Great vertically beneath the base of the Great vertically beneath the base of the Great Pyramid, deep in the bedrock. I actually Pyramid, deep in the bedrock. I actually Pyramid, deep in the bedrock. I actually think that was the original sacred site think that was the original sacred site think that was the original sacred site on that monument is that subterranean on that monument is that subterranean on that monument is that subterranean chamber. chamber. chamber. I don't advise anybody with I don't advise anybody with I don't advise anybody with claustrophobia to go down there. claustrophobia to go down there. claustrophobia to go down there. You're very conscious that you've got a You're very conscious that you've got a You're very conscious that you've got a 6-million-ton monument sitting right 6-million-ton monument sitting right 6-million-ton monument sitting right above you in a place that has above you in a place that has above you in a place that has earthquakes. earthquakes. earthquakes. Um it can be quite oppressive, but Um it can be quite oppressive, but Um it can be quite oppressive, but that's just a hint of what's under the that's just a hint of what's under the that's just a hint of what's under the Giza Plateau. That's just that's an Giza Plateau. That's just that's an Giza Plateau. That's just that's an accessible bit. accessible bit. accessible bit. Uh but it's it's it's already obvious Uh but it's it's it's already obvious Uh but it's it's it's already obvious that there there there is so much more. that there there there is so much more. that there there there is so much more. Some of it's been picked up with ground Some of it's been picked up with ground Some of it's been picked up with ground penetrating radar. And I'll take this penetrating radar. And I'll take this penetrating radar. And I'll take this opportunity to say that the hysterical opportunity to say that the hysterical opportunity to say that the hysterical reaction of mainstream scientists to the reaction of mainstream scientists to the reaction of mainstream scientists to the announcement by Filippo Biondi uh announcement by Filippo Biondi uh announcement by Filippo Biondi uh >> What is he saying?

>> What is he saying? >> What is he saying? >> He's saying that there are enormous >> He's saying that there are enormous >> He's saying that there are enormous structures under the second pyramid, structures under the second pyramid, structures under the second pyramid, that not the Great Pyramid, under the that not the Great Pyramid, under the that not the Great Pyramid, under the pyramid attributed to Khafre, Khufu's pyramid attributed to Khafre, Khufu's pyramid attributed to Khafre, Khufu's successor. The the structures that go successor. The the structures that go successor. The the structures that go hundreds of feet deep under there. hundreds of feet deep under there. hundreds of feet deep under there. Structures that involve spiral Structures that involve spiral Structures that involve spiral kind of stairways. The reaction has been kind of stairways. The reaction has been kind of stairways. The reaction has been overwhelmingly dismissing this. overwhelmingly dismissing this. overwhelmingly dismissing this. Archaeologists have not They won't look Archaeologists have not They won't look Archaeologists have not They won't look further. They say it's impossible, and further. They say it's impossible, and further. They say it's impossible, and they won't look at it. And I think they won't look at it. And I think they won't look at it. And I think that's shameful for people who imagine that's shameful for people who imagine that's shameful for people who imagine they're scientists. They should be they're scientists. They should be they're scientists. They should be looking further. I'd like to see the looking further. I'd like to see the looking further. I'd like to see the technology trialed in Turkey. There are technology trialed in Turkey. There are technology trialed in Turkey. There are underground cities in Turkey, Kaymakli, underground cities in Turkey, Kaymakli, underground cities in Turkey, Kaymakli, for example. We know every room in those for example. We know every room in those for example. We know every room in those underground cities. Run this technology underground cities. Run this technology underground cities. Run this technology on them. If they accurately reproduce on them. If they accurately reproduce on them. If they accurately reproduce what we already know is there, then we what we already know is there, then we what we already know is there, then we can be pretty sure they're accurately can be pretty sure they're accurately can be pretty sure they're accurately reproducing what's under the Giza reproducing what's under the Giza reproducing what's under the Giza pyramids. We need to do a lot more work pyramids. We need to do a lot more work pyramids. We need to do a lot more work before dismissing this. So I'm I remain before dismissing this. So I'm I remain before dismissing this. So I'm I remain open to the notion that a huge open to the notion that a huge open to the notion that a huge underworld awaits discovery under Giza. underworld awaits discovery under Giza. underworld awaits discovery under Giza. And the ancient Egyptians themselves And the ancient Egyptians themselves And the ancient Egyptians themselves felt that way. They felt that Giza, the felt that way. They felt that Giza, the felt that way. They felt that Giza, the ancient name for it was Rostau, it was ancient name for it was Rostau, it was ancient name for it was Rostau, it was an entrance to the underworld. They saw an entrance to the underworld. They saw an entrance to the underworld. They saw it as an entrance to the afterlife it as an entrance to the afterlife it as an entrance to the afterlife realm. It makes sense that there would realm. It makes sense that there would realm. It makes sense that there would be much much underground structures be much much underground structures be much much underground structures there.

there. there. >> And you've been alone in the pyramids? >> And you've been alone in the pyramids? >> And you've been alone in the pyramids? >> Being with large groups in the pyramid >> Being with large groups in the pyramid >> Being with large groups in the pyramid is difficult in the sense that the is difficult in the sense that the is difficult in the sense that the pyramid to me feels like a personality. pyramid to me feels like a personality. pyramid to me feels like a personality. When I'm in there with a large group, I When I'm in there with a large group, I When I'm in there with a large group, I I feel the pyramid withdrawing. It It I feel the pyramid withdrawing. It It I feel the pyramid withdrawing. It It It's like it doesn't want to speak to It's like it doesn't want to speak to It's like it doesn't want to speak to you anymore. It's The place becomes a you anymore. It's The place becomes a you anymore. It's The place becomes a dead space. dead space. dead space. But But if you can be in there with a But But if you can be in there with a But But if you can be in there with a very small group or be there alone very small group or be there alone very small group or be there alone and just be still and just be still and just be still let the silence descend, let the silence descend, let the silence descend, sit in that silence in the very low sit in that silence in the very low sit in that silence in the very low lighting that's in there. lighting that's in there. lighting that's in there. Just pause and Just pause and Just pause and remind yourself that you're in the last remind yourself that you're in the last remind yourself that you're in the last surviving wonder of the ancient world. surviving wonder of the ancient world. surviving wonder of the ancient world. It's an incredible privilege to be It's an incredible privilege to be It's an incredible privilege to be there. there. there. And just let it speak to you. And just let it speak to you. And just let it speak to you. And it does. And it does. And it does. This is of course my critics will say This is of course my critics will say This is of course my critics will say another proof that Hancock's a lunatic. another proof that Hancock's a lunatic. another proof that Hancock's a lunatic. But But But I'm just telling you what what what what I'm just telling you what what what what I'm just telling you what what what what happens to me. It's a I I think it's a happens to me. It's a I I think it's a happens to me. It's a I I think it's a monument that communicates. monument that communicates. monument that communicates. >> What did it say to you? >> What did it say to you? >> What did it say to you? >> It said to me go further.

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we've dismissed. we've dismissed. >> Like >> Like >> Like >> Which might be very Astrology is one of >> Which might be very Astrology is one of >> Which might be very Astrology is one of them. What does astrology ultimately them. What does astrology ultimately them. What does astrology ultimately say? It ultimately says that say? It ultimately says that say? It ultimately says that we, these beings, these humans, we, these beings, these humans, we, these beings, these humans, aren't isolated, but are connected to aren't isolated, but are connected to aren't isolated, but are connected to the universe and are affected by the universe and are affected by the universe and are affected by everything that happens in the universe. everything that happens in the universe. everything that happens in the universe. And it's And it's recognizing that there And it's And it's recognizing that there And it's And it's recognizing that there may be patterns in that. And instead of may be patterns in that. And instead of may be patterns in that. And instead of instead of just rubbishing that or doing instead of just rubbishing that or doing instead of just rubbishing that or doing a few investigations, I think it maybe a few investigations, I think it maybe a few investigations, I think it maybe worth looking further into that. Worth worth looking further into that. Worth worth looking further into that. Worth looking further into telepathy, too. My looking further into telepathy, too. My looking further into telepathy, too. My friend Rupert Sheldrake, serious friend Rupert Sheldrake, serious friend Rupert Sheldrake, serious scientist, one of the very few who's scientist, one of the very few who's scientist, one of the very few who's doing serious scientific work on doing serious scientific work on doing serious scientific work on issues like telepathy and like issues like telepathy and like issues like telepathy and like telekinesis, being able to move things telekinesis, being able to move things telekinesis, being able to move things with your mind. with your mind. with your mind. Mainstream scientists, most of them will Mainstream scientists, most of them will Mainstream scientists, most of them will just laugh at that. Absolute rubbish. just laugh at that. Absolute rubbish. just laugh at that. Absolute rubbish. Yeah, go away, you're a lunatic. Yeah, go away, you're a lunatic. Yeah, go away, you're a lunatic. But why are we lunatics to look into But why are we lunatics to look into But why are we lunatics to look into those things? It's really interesting those things? It's really interesting those things? It's really interesting and it's really worth investigating. We and it's really worth investigating. We and it's really worth investigating. We should realize that we have a heritage should realize that we have a heritage should realize that we have a heritage of hundreds of thousands of years and I of hundreds of thousands of years and I of hundreds of thousands of years and I believe it's even older than 315,000 believe it's even older than 315,000 believe it's even older than 315,000 years. We do not have a heritage of 100 years. We do not have a heritage of 100 years. We do not have a heritage of 100 years, which is the heritage of modern years, which is the heritage of modern years, which is the heritage of modern science. Well, let's let's be generous.

science. Well, let's let's be generous. science. Well, let's let's be generous. Let's put modern science even back to Let's put modern science even back to Let's put modern science even back to the Greeks in a way, but it doesn't the Greeks in a way, but it doesn't the Greeks in a way, but it doesn't become what we would recognize as become what we would recognize as become what we would recognize as science until the 19th century really. science until the 19th century really. science until the 19th century really. So, it's a very young thing. So, it's a very young thing. So, it's a very young thing. If you take the human being as the If you take the human being as the If you take the human being as the as the heart of this and and and you as the heart of this and and and you as the heart of this and and and you were to find a little pimple on the nose were to find a little pimple on the nose were to find a little pimple on the nose of that human being, that would be of that human being, that would be of that human being, that would be science. science. science. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's a pimple on the nose >> It's a pimple on the nose >> It's a pimple on the nose of hundreds of thousands of years of of hundreds of thousands of years of of hundreds of thousands of years of human experience. Why should we be so human experience. Why should we be so human experience. Why should we be so arrogant to dismiss those hundreds of arrogant to dismiss those hundreds of arrogant to dismiss those hundreds of thousands of years of human experience thousands of years of human experience thousands of years of human experience in the favor of 150 years maximum of in the favor of 150 years maximum of in the favor of 150 years maximum of so-called science? so-called science? so-called science? >> I mean, one of the interesting things is >> I mean, one of the interesting things is >> I mean, one of the interesting things is I actually did go to the Amazon I actually did go to the Amazon I actually did go to the Amazon rainforest in Peru. rainforest in Peru. rainforest in Peru. >> Um >> Um >> Um and they've discovered these like big and they've discovered these like big and they've discovered these like big square things underground. square things underground. square things underground. >> I've been involved in that. >> I've been involved in that. >> I've been involved in that. >> What is What is that? >> What is What is that? >> What is What is that? >> Well, the the name that's been given to >> Well, the the name that's been given to >> Well, the the name that's been given to them is is geoglyphs. them is is geoglyphs. them is is geoglyphs. >> Geoglyphs. >> Geoglyphs. >> Geoglyphs. >> I think I know this one. Nobody knew >> I think I know this one. Nobody knew >> I think I know this one. Nobody knew they existed at all until about 40 years they existed at all until about 40 years they existed at all until about 40 years ago.

ago. ago. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> And uh because the Amazon rainforest is >> And uh because the Amazon rainforest is >> And uh because the Amazon rainforest is a rainforest and and densely covered a rainforest and and densely covered a rainforest and and densely covered with uh canopy. with uh canopy. with uh canopy. However, However, However, it's constantly being settled. This is a it's constantly being settled. This is a it's constantly being settled. This is a problem in itself. It's constantly being problem in itself. It's constantly being problem in itself. It's constantly being settled. The Amazon is being cleared and settled. The Amazon is being cleared and settled. The Amazon is being cleared and it's being turned into farms. It's the it's being turned into farms. It's the it's being turned into farms. It's the clearance of bits of the Amazon clearance of bits of the Amazon clearance of bits of the Amazon initially that exposed initially that exposed initially that exposed these huge geometric structures these huge geometric structures these huge geometric structures >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> under [clears throat] the rainforest. No >> under [clears throat] the rainforest. No >> under [clears throat] the rainforest. No longer under because they cleared the longer under because they cleared the longer under because they cleared the rainforest. Now, with lidar, I've been rainforest. Now, with lidar, I've been rainforest. Now, with lidar, I've been involved with Martti Pärssinen. In fact, involved with Martti Pärssinen. In fact, involved with Martti Pärssinen. In fact, he was on my Netflix show. He's a he was on my Netflix show. He's a he was on my Netflix show. He's a archaeologist from Finland and and with archaeologist from Finland and and with archaeologist from Finland and and with Alteo Ramzi, a Brazilian geographer, um Alteo Ramzi, a Brazilian geographer, um Alteo Ramzi, a Brazilian geographer, um what they're doing is a what they're doing is a what they're doing is a dense lidar survey of the whole of Acre dense lidar survey of the whole of Acre dense lidar survey of the whole of Acre province in Brazil. province in Brazil. province in Brazil. This is in Acre province as well. The This is in Acre province as well. The This is in Acre province as well. The areas that are still under canopy areas that are still under canopy areas that are still under canopy rainforest. And lidar can see through rainforest. And lidar can see through rainforest. And lidar can see through the canopy and it can see raised objects the canopy and it can see raised objects the canopy and it can see raised objects underneath and it can actually give you underneath and it can actually give you underneath and it can actually give you the shape of that object. Then they can the shape of that object. Then they can the shape of that object. Then they can go in low go in low go in low you know low impact just a few of them you know low impact just a few of them you know low impact just a few of them go in check it out see what's there and go in check it out see what's there and go in check it out see what's there and then begin the archaeology on the site.

then begin the archaeology on the site. then begin the archaeology on the site. >> I mean this is a prime example. I've got >> I mean this is a prime example. I've got >> I mean this is a prime example. I've got a I've got a list here of things that we a I've got a list here of things that we a I've got a list here of things that we used to believe and things that used to believe and things that used to believe and things that [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] how those beliefs have changed and one how those beliefs have changed and one how those beliefs have changed and one of them was that we used to believe that of them was that we used to believe that of them was that we used to believe that the Amazon was an untouched wilderness. the Amazon was an untouched wilderness. the Amazon was an untouched wilderness. But in the 1970s we discovered yep what But in the 1970s we discovered yep what But in the 1970s we discovered yep what a thousand of these structures? a thousand of these structures? a thousand of these structures? >> At least >> At least >> At least they're they're they're confident now they're they're they're confident now they're they're they're confident now from the lidar work talking of thousands from the lidar work talking of thousands from the lidar work talking of thousands 3 5 6000 there are also roadways that 3 5 6000 there are also roadways that 3 5 6000 there are also roadways that run for 100 kilometers plus. run for 100 kilometers plus. run for 100 kilometers plus. There's absolutely no doubt that the There's absolutely no doubt that the There's absolutely no doubt that the Amazon once supported a population of Amazon once supported a population of Amazon once supported a population of millions with extraordinary clever millions with extraordinary clever millions with extraordinary clever management of rainforest soils by management of rainforest soils by management of rainforest soils by creating a man-made soil that they call creating a man-made soil that they call creating a man-made soil that they call terra preta. It's still used in Brazil terra preta. It's still used in Brazil terra preta. It's still used in Brazil today. We are having to today. We are having to today. We are having to completely reconceive the Amazon. completely reconceive the Amazon. completely reconceive the Amazon. It was thought of as a pristine It was thought of as a pristine It was thought of as a pristine rainforest which a few human beings rainforest which a few human beings rainforest which a few human beings wandered around aimlessly in hunting wandered around aimlessly in hunting wandered around aimlessly in hunting whatever. whatever. whatever. Now we know that it was Now we know that it was Now we know that it was the homeland the homeland the homeland of a very large population who lived in of a very large population who lived in of a very large population who lived in city-sized communities city-sized communities city-sized communities um um um who joined those communities with long who joined those communities with long who joined those communities with long straight roadways.

straight roadways. straight roadways. It's it's as though the veil is being It's it's as though the veil is being It's it's as though the veil is being pulled back and we're beginning to see a pulled back and we're beginning to see a pulled back and we're beginning to see a completely untold story in the Amazon completely untold story in the Amazon completely untold story in the Amazon and these geoglyphs and these geoglyphs and these geoglyphs very precise rectangles triangles very precise rectangles triangles very precise rectangles triangles circles squares all of these geometry circles squares all of these geometry circles squares all of these geometry geometry what what's it what's it doing geometry what what's it what's it doing geometry what what's it what's it doing there in the Amazon? And and when I when there in the Amazon? And and when I when there in the Amazon? And and when I when I talked to a local shaman about this I talked to a local shaman about this I talked to a local shaman about this and I did on on camera in the in the in and I did on on camera in the in the in and I did on on camera in the in the in the Netflix show the Netflix show the Netflix show he talked to me about how important he talked to me about how important he talked to me about how important these places still are to him that these these places still are to him that these these places still are to him that these places were made by their ancestors that places were made by their ancestors that places were made by their ancestors that they're are for shamanic gatherings. they're are for shamanic gatherings. they're are for shamanic gatherings. Places for shamans to use specifically Places for shamans to use specifically Places for shamans to use specifically to contact the world beyond. Let's be to contact the world beyond. Let's be to contact the world beyond. Let's be clear about this. All civilizations, clear about this. All civilizations, clear about this. All civilizations, including ours, although we may deny it, including ours, although we may deny it, including ours, although we may deny it, all of them emerged from shamanism. all of them emerged from shamanism. all of them emerged from shamanism. Shamanism is the essence Shamanism is the essence Shamanism is the essence of the human adventure. And and all of the human adventure. And and all of the human adventure. And and all civilizations emerged from shamanism and civilizations emerged from shamanism and civilizations emerged from shamanism and this one was shamanism, yes. Shamanism this one was shamanism, yes. Shamanism this one was shamanism, yes. Shamanism being the system of using altered states being the system of using altered states being the system of using altered states of consciousness to gain direct access of consciousness to gain direct access of consciousness to gain direct access to other levels of reality.

to other levels of reality. to other levels of reality. >> Like psychedelics? >> Like psychedelics? >> Like psychedelics? >> Yeah, psychedelics or you can fast for a >> Yeah, psychedelics or you can fast for a >> Yeah, psychedelics or you can fast for a month. That will give you some visions, month. That will give you some visions, month. That will give you some visions, too. There there are there are other too. There there are there are other too. There there are there are other ways, but but psychedelics are the most ways, but but psychedelics are the most ways, but but psychedelics are the most efficient way to enter the altered state efficient way to enter the altered state efficient way to enter the altered state of consciousness and shamans are masters of consciousness and shamans are masters of consciousness and shamans are masters of the use of plant medicines everywhere of the use of plant medicines everywhere of the use of plant medicines everywhere in the world, but particularly in the in the world, but particularly in the in the world, but particularly in the Amazon rainforest. This is this is where Amazon rainforest. This is this is where Amazon rainforest. This is this is where you you see it most strongly. And DMT, you you see it most strongly. And DMT, you you see it most strongly. And DMT, the active ingredient of ayahuasca, the active ingredient of ayahuasca, the active ingredient of ayahuasca, is very fast-acting in the way that it's is very fast-acting in the way that it's is very fast-acting in the way that it's normally consumed. normally consumed. normally consumed. Okay? It's normally vaped or smoked. Okay? It's normally vaped or smoked. Okay? It's normally vaped or smoked. It produces a 10-minute journey It produces a 10-minute journey It produces a 10-minute journey literally to the other side of reality. literally to the other side of reality. literally to the other side of reality. And there's not much you can do about it And there's not much you can do about it And there's not much you can do about it once you're in there. once you're in there. once you're in there. But then you're out again. But then you're out again. But then you're out again. Ayahuasca Ayahuasca Ayahuasca is a very clever technology. The is a very clever technology. The is a very clever technology. The ayahuasca brew contains DMT. ayahuasca brew contains DMT. ayahuasca brew contains DMT. DMT is not orally active. So, you can DMT is not orally active. So, you can DMT is not orally active. So, you can drink a tea made of with loads of DMT in drink a tea made of with loads of DMT in drink a tea made of with loads of DMT in it and it's not going to do anything to it and it's not going to do anything to it and it's not going to do anything to you because there's an enzyme in the gut you because there's an enzyme in the gut you because there's an enzyme in the gut that destroys it.

that destroys it. that destroys it. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> The ayahuasca vine >> The ayahuasca vine >> The ayahuasca vine contains a chemical that shuts that contains a chemical that shuts that contains a chemical that shuts that enzyme down and allows the DMT to be enzyme down and allows the DMT to be enzyme down and allows the DMT to be absorbed orally, producing an experience absorbed orally, producing an experience absorbed orally, producing an experience that can last for hours that can be that can last for hours that can be that can last for hours that can be physically very uncomfortable. physically very uncomfortable. physically very uncomfortable. What they're doing at Imperial College What they're doing at Imperial College What they're doing at Imperial College is they're giving them DMT by is they're giving them DMT by is they're giving them DMT by intravenous infusion. intravenous infusion. intravenous infusion. Using basically anesthesia technology to Using basically anesthesia technology to Using basically anesthesia technology to constantly top up the dose to keep the constantly top up the dose to keep the constantly top up the dose to keep the individual in the peak state. And unlike individual in the peak state. And unlike individual in the peak state. And unlike other psychedelics, there's no tolerance other psychedelics, there's no tolerance other psychedelics, there's no tolerance with DMT, so you can keep on with DMT, so you can keep on with DMT, so you can keep on dosing people. dosing people. dosing people. >> When you you've taken ayahuasca 80 >> When you you've taken ayahuasca 80 >> When you you've taken ayahuasca 80 times? times? times? >> Something like that. Something like >> Something like that. Something like >> Something like that. Something like that. Um that. Um that. Um It's not just It's not just It's not just It's important to be clear about a It's important to be clear about a It's important to be clear about a number of things. number of things. number of things. First of all, First of all, First of all, all psychedelics are extremely serious all psychedelics are extremely serious all psychedelics are extremely serious matters. They are not to be taken matters. They are not to be taken matters. They are not to be taken trivially. They are extremely serious. trivially. They are extremely serious. trivially. They are extremely serious. With uh With uh With uh experienced use of ayahuasca, one of the experienced use of ayahuasca, one of the experienced use of ayahuasca, one of the very common reports is this moral very common reports is this moral very common reports is this moral dimension. That you are presented with dimension. That you are presented with dimension. That you are presented with your own life, with what you've done your own life, with what you've done your own life, with what you've done with your own life, with the pain that with your own life, with the pain that with your own life, with the pain that you may have caused to others. And you may have caused to others. And you may have caused to others. And suddenly, that pain that you caused to suddenly, that pain that you caused to suddenly, that pain that you caused to another person, which you dismissed as another person, which you dismissed as another person, which you dismissed as they just deserved that, they just they just deserved that, they just they just deserved that, they just deserved those words, you suddenly get deserved those words, you suddenly get deserved those words, you suddenly get it from their point of view. You feel it from their point of view. You feel it from their point of view. You feel the agony that your words caused that the agony that your words caused that the agony that your words caused that person.

person. person. And And And and you find yourself that did I do and you find yourself that did I do and you find yourself that did I do that? Did I say that? You suddenly see that? Did I say that? You suddenly see that? Did I say that? You suddenly see what you are. what you are. what you are. You can't go back into your own past and You can't go back into your own past and You can't go back into your own past and change negative and useless and change negative and useless and change negative and useless and pointless things that you did. You can't pointless things that you did. You can't pointless things that you did. You can't do that. do that. do that. But you can avoid repeating them in the But you can avoid repeating them in the But you can avoid repeating them in the future. future. future. And it's that teaching of a moral lesson And it's that teaching of a moral lesson And it's that teaching of a moral lesson uh that I find most valuable in uh that I find most valuable in uh that I find most valuable in ayahuasca. It's helped me to come to ayahuasca. It's helped me to come to ayahuasca. It's helped me to come to terms with my tendency to swift anger. terms with my tendency to swift anger. terms with my tendency to swift anger. I'm I'm very aware that that's a problem I'm I'm very aware that that's a problem I'm I'm very aware that that's a problem I have and it's something I need to do I have and it's something I need to do I have and it's something I need to do something about. And I I was goes helped something about. And I I was goes helped something about. And I I was goes helped me with that. I've I've become gentler me with that. I've I've become gentler me with that. I've I've become gentler and and softer. Not gentle enough, and and softer. Not gentle enough, and and softer. Not gentle enough, maybe. It's a journey. It's not a It's maybe. It's a journey. It's not a It's maybe. It's a journey. It's not a It's not an overnight transformation, not a not an overnight transformation, not a not an overnight transformation, not a magic pill. Uh the main work with magic pill. Uh the main work with magic pill. Uh the main work with ayahuasca comes after the medicine. The ayahuasca comes after the medicine. The ayahuasca comes after the medicine. The main work comes with what you do with main work comes with what you do with main work comes with what you do with the experience, how you integrate it the experience, how you integrate it the experience, how you integrate it into your life. That's where the work into your life. That's where the work into your life. That's where the work begins. People say "Oh, it's so easy to begins. People say "Oh, it's so easy to begins. People say "Oh, it's so easy to take a take a take a a brew." Well, it's not actually not a brew." Well, it's not actually not a brew." Well, it's not actually not that easy cuz you're going to vomit and that easy cuz you're going to vomit and that easy cuz you're going to vomit and have diarrhea, but but easy.

have diarrhea, but but easy. have diarrhea, but but easy. Um Um Um but that's where the work begins, not but that's where the work begins, not but that's where the work begins, not where it ends. where it ends. where it ends. >> And that emotion, is that Does that stem >> And that emotion, is that Does that stem >> And that emotion, is that Does that stem back to your relationship with your back to your relationship with your back to your relationship with your parents? parents? parents? Because I was reading about your early Because I was reading about your early Because I was reading about your early your early life. your early life. your early life. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Look, we're all frail human beings. Look, we're all frail human beings. Look, we're all frail human beings. We're all messed about in lots of ways. We're all messed about in lots of ways. We're all messed about in lots of ways. We all have We all have issues in our We all have We all have issues in our We all have We all have issues in our lives. Um and lives. Um and lives. Um and >> regret. >> regret. >> regret. >> Regret. Yes, I I do regret saying >> Regret. Yes, I I do regret saying >> Regret. Yes, I I do regret saying hurtful and unkind things to a number of hurtful and unkind things to a number of hurtful and unkind things to a number of people over the years. I do I do regret people over the years. I do I do regret people over the years. I do I do regret that very much. I do regret very much that very much. I do regret very much that very much. I do regret very much that I wasn't that I wasn't that I wasn't I wasn't mature enough to realize why my I wasn't mature enough to realize why my I wasn't mature enough to realize why my parents were so difficult. Uh that I parents were so difficult. Uh that I parents were so difficult. Uh that I never really forgave them for that. I never really forgave them for that. I never really forgave them for that. I never really forgave them for never really forgave them for never really forgave them for the strangeness of my childhood and and the strangeness of my childhood and and the strangeness of my childhood and and uh uh uh the various things that that that that the various things that that that that the various things that that that that happened. I never really saw it from happened. I never really saw it from happened. I never really saw it from their point of view. My mother lost their point of view. My mother lost their point of view. My mother lost three children aside from me. I'm an three children aside from me. I'm an three children aside from me. I'm an only child, but her first child was only child, but her first child was only child, but her first child was carried to term before me and born dead. carried to term before me and born dead. carried to term before me and born dead. Then I was born, I lived, and then the Then I was born, I lived, and then the Then I was born, I lived, and then the next two both died at the age of a year.

next two both died at the age of a year. next two both died at the age of a year. Well, I know now, as a father, I know I Well, I know now, as a father, I know I Well, I know now, as a father, I know I know what what kind of catastrophe that know what what kind of catastrophe that know what what kind of catastrophe that is for a person for a for a mother to to is for a person for a for a mother to to is for a person for a for a mother to to lose three children like that. lose three children like that. lose three children like that. >> You said weird childhood. >> You said weird childhood. >> You said weird childhood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, this is me. So, this is me. So, this is me. This is little Graham here with my This is little Graham here with my This is little Graham here with my mother and my father. I was It was 1954 mother and my father. I was It was 1954 mother and my father. I was It was 1954 that we landed in India. My father was a that we landed in India. My father was a that we landed in India. My father was a surgeon consultant surgeon, and so he surgeon consultant surgeon, and so he surgeon consultant surgeon, and so he went as a missionary surgeon to India to went as a missionary surgeon to India to went as a missionary surgeon to India to a place called the Christian Medical a place called the Christian Medical a place called the Christian Medical College in Vellore in South India. Um College in Vellore in South India. Um College in Vellore in South India. Um and we lived in a tin hut. But he was and we lived in a tin hut. But he was and we lived in a tin hut. But he was following his faith. He was doing what following his faith. He was doing what following his faith. He was doing what was what was right for him. He was was what was right for him. He was was what was right for him. He was giving his skills to help to help giving his skills to help to help giving his skills to help to help people. I I realize that now, and a a of people. I I realize that now, and a a of people. I I realize that now, and a a of resentment I have towards him, I resentment I have towards him, I resentment I have towards him, I probably, you know, probably, you know, probably, you know, shouldn't have. Um he was an odd guy. He shouldn't have. Um he was an odd guy. He shouldn't have. Um he was an odd guy. He was very eccentric. He used to take me was very eccentric. He used to take me was very eccentric. He used to take me in to watch dissections. in to watch dissections. in to watch dissections. Um Um Um there there were still hangings in India there there were still hangings in India there there were still hangings in India at that time, and he would dissect the at that time, and he would dissect the at that time, and he would dissect the prisoners after the hangings. He had me prisoners after the hangings. He had me prisoners after the hangings. He had me in there watching it. Um he took me in there watching it. Um he took me in there watching it. Um he took me later on when I was what age? Uh later on when I was what age? Uh later on when I was what age? Uh uh uh uh five.

five. five. >> You were watching bodies being cut up at >> You were watching bodies being cut up at >> You were watching bodies being cut up at five? five? five? >> I was, yeah. Absolutely. Very strange. >> I was, yeah. Absolutely. Very strange. >> I was, yeah. Absolutely. Very strange. See, it was presented to me as See, it was presented to me as See, it was presented to me as completely normal. Um but but it was it completely normal. Um but but it was it completely normal. Um but but it was it it it was strange. Fundamentally, he was it it was strange. Fundamentally, he was it it was strange. Fundamentally, he was a good man, I believe. a good man, I believe. a good man, I believe. >> But I think >> But I think >> But I think allowing a four- to five-year-old child allowing a four- to five-year-old child allowing a four- to five-year-old child be be be to see those things is deeply traumatic to see those things is deeply traumatic to see those things is deeply traumatic in a way that you probably don't in a way that you probably don't in a way that you probably don't recognize until later. recognize until later. recognize until later. >> I I agree. It's it's come home to me >> I I agree. It's it's come home to me >> I I agree. It's it's come home to me more and more as the years have gone by more and more as the years have gone by more and more as the years have gone by that what happened to me in those years that what happened to me in those years that what happened to me in those years in India in India in India scarred me deeply. It wasn't just the scarred me deeply. It wasn't just the scarred me deeply. It wasn't just the operating theaters and the dissections operating theaters and the dissections operating theaters and the dissections the dissections. It was the dissections. It was the dissections. It was the gloom and the misery and the despair the gloom and the misery and the despair the gloom and the misery and the despair that settled over my family at that that settled over my family at that that settled over my family at that time, and I don't think I ever really time, and I don't think I ever really time, and I don't think I ever really recovered from that. recovered from that. recovered from that. >> Did you have nightmares? >> Did you have nightmares? >> Did you have nightmares? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And what what were those nightmares? >> And what what were those nightmares? >> And what what were those nightmares? >> Um >> Um >> Um usually nightmares of loss, usually usually nightmares of loss, usually usually nightmares of loss, usually nightmares of nightmares of nightmares of suddenly I'm alone. I'm in a I'm in a suddenly I'm alone. I'm in a I'm in a suddenly I'm alone. I'm in a I'm in a I'm completely isolated, lost, alone.

I'm completely isolated, lost, alone. I'm completely isolated, lost, alone. >> The reason I ask these questions is >> The reason I ask these questions is >> The reason I ask these questions is there's only ever been one other guest there's only ever been one other guest there's only ever been one other guest who I sat here with a couple of years who I sat here with a couple of years who I sat here with a couple of years ago ago ago >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> who I believe's dad was a surgeon. >> who I believe's dad was a surgeon. >> who I believe's dad was a surgeon. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And his dad brought him in to watch >> And his dad brought him in to watch >> And his dad brought him in to watch operations and dissections when he was operations and dissections when he was operations and dissections when he was young. young. young. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it scarred him in a way that he >> And it scarred him in a way that he >> And it scarred him in a way that he didn't realize until later. didn't realize until later. didn't realize until later. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he told me about the nightmares of >> And he told me about the nightmares of >> And he told me about the nightmares of waking up in the night and seeing those waking up in the night and seeing those waking up in the night and seeing those bodies of those people around his bed on bodies of those people around his bed on bodies of those people around his bed on a predictable basis and told me he he's a predictable basis and told me he he's a predictable basis and told me he he's actually the guy that um actually the guy that um actually the guy that um coached Michael Jordan. coached Michael Jordan. coached Michael Jordan. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then um >> And then um >> And then um Kobe Kobe Kobe bef- before Kobe Bryant um passed away bef- before Kobe Bryant um passed away bef- before Kobe Bryant um passed away and he told me still as an adult those and he told me still as an adult those and he told me still as an adult those bodies to join him at night time. So, bodies to join him at night time. So, bodies to join him at night time. So, he'll wake up at night time and he'll he'll wake up at night time and he'll he'll wake up at night time and he'll see them around see them around see them around around his bed. So, around his bed. So, around his bed. So, >> Well, thank you, universe. That didn't >> Well, thank you, universe. That didn't >> Well, thank you, universe. That didn't happen to me. I I I do not have I don't happen to me. I I I do not have I don't happen to me. I I I do not have I don't remember having gruesome nightmares. I remember having gruesome nightmares. I remember having gruesome nightmares. I remember a feeling of loneliness and remember a feeling of loneliness and remember a feeling of loneliness and abandonment. That's what I remember. abandonment. That's what I remember. abandonment. That's what I remember. >> Loneliness and abandonment. >> Loneliness and abandonment. >> Loneliness and abandonment. >> Mhm. I've always felt that way. I was >> Mhm. I've always felt that way. I was >> Mhm. I've always felt that way. I was always an outsider at school. Uh always an outsider at school. Uh always an outsider at school. Uh everywhere I've been all my life. That's everywhere I've been all my life. That's everywhere I've been all my life. That's what I'm for. I'm here to be an what I'm for. I'm here to be an what I'm for. I'm here to be an outsider. I've come to that conclusion.

outsider. I've come to that conclusion. outsider. I've come to that conclusion. And and uh And and uh And and uh I need to do that well. I need to do that well. I need to do that well. I need to provide an alternative point I need to provide an alternative point I need to provide an alternative point of view on the past. of view on the past. of view on the past. >> There's a real cost to being an >> There's a real cost to being an >> There's a real cost to being an outsider. outsider. outsider. >> Oh, yeah. But, there are also some >> Oh, yeah. But, there are also some >> Oh, yeah. But, there are also some benefits. You know, we are what we are. benefits. You know, we are what we are. benefits. You know, we are what we are. And and for me, I was always strange. I And and for me, I was always strange. I And and for me, I was always strange. I had this childhood in in in India. I had this childhood in in in India. I had this childhood in in in India. I didn't fit into the British school didn't fit into the British school didn't fit into the British school system. system. system. I was a total failure at school. I could I was a total failure at school. I could I was a total failure at school. I could not connect. I could not connect with not connect. I could not connect with not connect. I could not connect with any of it. It seemed I just didn't get any of it. It seemed I just didn't get any of it. It seemed I just didn't get it. What was this about? And and and the it. What was this about? And and and the it. What was this about? And and and the cruelty, the viciousness. My my dad went cruelty, the viciousness. My my dad went cruelty, the viciousness. My my dad went to a boarding school and had a good to a boarding school and had a good to a boarding school and had a good experience. So, he sent me to a boarding experience. So, he sent me to a boarding experience. So, he sent me to a boarding school in Durham in the north of school in Durham in the north of school in Durham in the north of England. It was the cruelest place. England. It was the cruelest place. England. It was the cruelest place. Beatings going on I I was repeatedly Beatings going on I I was repeatedly Beatings going on I I was repeatedly beaten about the bare buttocks by a beaten about the bare buttocks by a beaten about the bare buttocks by a sadistic headmaster with a cane. I sadistic headmaster with a cane. I sadistic headmaster with a cane. I couldn't fit in with the other kids at couldn't fit in with the other kids at couldn't fit in with the other kids at school. And uh I don't feel victimized school. And uh I don't feel victimized school. And uh I don't feel victimized for being an outsider. I feel I feel for being an outsider. I feel I feel for being an outsider. I feel I feel it's a privilege. I feel I've been given it's a privilege. I feel I've been given it's a privilege. I feel I've been given I've been given an opportunity to take a I've been given an opportunity to take a I've been given an opportunity to take a different view of things as a result of different view of things as a result of different view of things as a result of being an outsider.

being an outsider. being an outsider. >> Are there words unsaid here with these >> Are there words unsaid here with these >> Are there words unsaid here with these two people in your life? two people in your life? two people in your life? >> are there are so many words unsaid. I'd >> are there are so many words unsaid. I'd >> are there are so many words unsaid. I'd like to go back to my mom and say like to go back to my mom and say like to go back to my mom and say you know, I understand why you were so you know, I understand why you were so you know, I understand why you were so obsessed with keeping me alive and obsessed with keeping me alive and obsessed with keeping me alive and making sure that I did something with my making sure that I did something with my making sure that I did something with my life. And I'd like to say to my dad, life. And I'd like to say to my dad, life. And I'd like to say to my dad, "Look, you you were pretty crazy, but "Look, you you were pretty crazy, but "Look, you you were pretty crazy, but you you did at least inspire me to be you you did at least inspire me to be you you did at least inspire me to be eccentric." eccentric." eccentric." It's funny thing getting older. I'm 75, It's funny thing getting older. I'm 75, It's funny thing getting older. I'm 75, 76 in August. 76 in August. 76 in August. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> One of the things it does is it you >> One of the things it does is it you >> One of the things it does is it you realize how collapsed life actually is. realize how collapsed life actually is. realize how collapsed life actually is. I remember being a teenager, and I I remember being a teenager, and I I remember being a teenager, and I remember being a young man, and and and remember being a young man, and and and remember being a young man, and and and I remember being middle-aged, and the I remember being middle-aged, and the I remember being middle-aged, and the feeling is feeling is feeling is you're immortal. It's going to go on you're immortal. It's going to go on you're immortal. It's going to go on forever. Everything's going to go on forever. Everything's going to go on forever. Everything's going to go on forever. And it's long, long, lots of forever. And it's long, long, lots of forever. And it's long, long, lots of time to do the things you want to do. time to do the things you want to do. time to do the things you want to do. I have a message. No, it's not long. I have a message. No, it's not long. I have a message. No, it's not long. There is not lots of time. If there's There is not lots of time. If there's There is not lots of time. If there's things you want to do with your life, things you want to do with your life, things you want to do with your life, start now. Start right away. Don't wait. start now. Start right away. Don't wait. start now. Start right away. Don't wait. Otherwise, you'll not have the Otherwise, you'll not have the Otherwise, you'll not have the opportunity. Life is very short. It's a opportunity. Life is very short. It's a opportunity. Life is very short. It's a beautiful, beautiful gift that the beautiful, beautiful gift that the beautiful, beautiful gift that the universe has given to us.

universe has given to us. universe has given to us. We are responsible for returning that We are responsible for returning that We are responsible for returning that gift by as far as possible within the gift by as far as possible within the gift by as far as possible within the circumstances that the universe has circumstances that the universe has circumstances that the universe has given us living a full life and given us living a full life and given us living a full life and contributing something worthwhile to contributing something worthwhile to contributing something worthwhile to that life. Not being a robot, not being that life. Not being a robot, not being that life. Not being a robot, not being commanded what to do. Not We We need to commanded what to do. Not We We need to commanded what to do. Not We We need to learn to think for ourselves. This This learn to think for ourselves. This This learn to think for ourselves. This This is something that is something that is something that is so easily forgotten. is so easily forgotten. is so easily forgotten. It's a miracle It's a miracle It's a miracle that you and I are sitting here at all. that you and I are sitting here at all. that you and I are sitting here at all. I'm here, that you're here, that we're I'm here, that you're here, that we're I'm here, that you're here, that we're here together. It's absolute miracle. here together. It's absolute miracle. here together. It's absolute miracle. It's the result of billions and billions It's the result of billions and billions It's the result of billions and billions of years of processes in the universe of years of processes in the universe of years of processes in the universe which had nothing to do with us randomly which had nothing to do with us randomly which had nothing to do with us randomly bring us together at this at this point. bring us together at this at this point. bring us together at this at this point. It's It's really quite a miraculous It's It's really quite a miraculous It's It's really quite a miraculous situation to be alive, to be born at all situation to be alive, to be born at all situation to be alive, to be born at all is a miracle. is a miracle. is a miracle. Um I think it was Voltaire who, talking Um I think it was Voltaire who, talking Um I think it was Voltaire who, talking about reincarnation, about reincarnation, about reincarnation, uh who said, um "It's no more uh who said, um "It's no more uh who said, um "It's no more extraordinary to be born twice than to extraordinary to be born twice than to extraordinary to be born twice than to be born once." be born once." be born once." Uh and I think there's a point in that. Uh and I think there's a point in that. Uh and I think there's a point in that. >> Are you religious? Do you believe in a >> Are you religious? Do you believe in a >> Are you religious? Do you believe in a god or god or god or >> I would >> I would >> I would >> that I am um that I pay >> that I am um that I pay >> that I am um that I pay attention, close attention, to what I attention, close attention, to what I attention, close attention, to what I would regard as the spiritual, would regard as the spiritual, would regard as the spiritual, non-physical side of life. Um but I do non-physical side of life. Um but I do non-physical side of life. Um but I do not belong to any organized religion.

not belong to any organized religion. not belong to any organized religion. One of the things I don't like about One of the things I don't like about One of the things I don't like about organized religion is that your organized religion is that your organized religion is that your relationship to the divine, whatever you relationship to the divine, whatever you relationship to the divine, whatever you call the divine, spirit world, whatever call the divine, spirit world, whatever call the divine, spirit world, whatever you want to call it, your relationship you want to call it, your relationship you want to call it, your relationship is mediated in some way, some priest or is mediated in some way, some priest or is mediated in some way, some priest or rabbi or mullah teaches you how to rabbi or mullah teaches you how to rabbi or mullah teaches you how to mediate that relationship. And I I think mediate that relationship. And I I think mediate that relationship. And I I think what's important in for me anyway in in what's important in for me anyway in in what's important in for me anyway in in the spiritual inquiry is a direct the spiritual inquiry is a direct the spiritual inquiry is a direct relationship, a direct experience, relationship, a direct experience, relationship, a direct experience, rather than being taught something. I rather than being taught something. I rather than being taught something. I want to experience it for myself. And want to experience it for myself. And want to experience it for myself. And that's why I found ayahuasca very, very that's why I found ayahuasca very, very that's why I found ayahuasca very, very valuable um because it has enabled me to valuable um because it has enabled me to valuable um because it has enabled me to experience something that is absolutely experience something that is absolutely experience something that is absolutely impossible to experience in normal impossible to experience in normal impossible to experience in normal everyday life. We're so plugged in. everyday life. We're so plugged in. everyday life. We're so plugged in. We're so plugged in to the physical We're so plugged in to the physical We're so plugged in to the physical world, and we have to be. We got to be. world, and we have to be. We got to be. world, and we have to be. We got to be. We got to obey the laws of physics. We We got to obey the laws of physics. We We got to obey the laws of physics. We got to deal with the economics of our got to deal with the economics of our got to deal with the economics of our circumstances. You know, we have to make circumstances. You know, we have to make circumstances. You know, we have to make our way through life. All of those our way through life. All of those our way through life. All of those things we've got to do. things we've got to do. things we've got to do. Um Um Um but but but if they become our total focus, if they become our total focus, if they become our total focus, we become shut off from everything and we become shut off from everything and we become shut off from everything and anything else that may exist. And what anything else that may exist. And what anything else that may exist. And what the big psychedelics can do, if they're the big psychedelics can do, if they're the big psychedelics can do, if they're taken in the right circumstances with taken in the right circumstances with taken in the right circumstances with the right advice, the right advice, the right advice, with sincere intention, what they can do with sincere intention, what they can do with sincere intention, what they can do is get you out of your own way and allow is get you out of your own way and allow is get you out of your own way and allow you to connect to that wider realm that you to connect to that wider realm that you to connect to that wider realm that normally you cannot connect to. And yes, normally you cannot connect to. And yes, normally you cannot connect to. And yes, I do believe that a wider realm exists.

I do believe that a wider realm exists. I do believe that a wider realm exists. Uh just in the same way that uh you you Uh just in the same way that uh you you Uh just in the same way that uh you you you you you you you you you know, before the invention of the you know, before the invention of the you know, before the invention of the microscope, we had no idea that there microscope, we had no idea that there microscope, we had no idea that there were bacteria. I think I'm right about were bacteria. I think I'm right about were bacteria. I think I'm right about that. We started seeing these tiny that. We started seeing these tiny that. We started seeing these tiny little things swimming around. Gosh, little things swimming around. Gosh, little things swimming around. Gosh, major discovery. Well, they were always major discovery. Well, they were always major discovery. Well, they were always there. We just didn't have the kit to there. We just didn't have the kit to there. We just didn't have the kit to see them. And I'm suggesting that what see them. And I'm suggesting that what see them. And I'm suggesting that what psychedelics can be, and certainly what psychedelics can be, and certainly what psychedelics can be, and certainly what they're used as shamans by for, is a they're used as shamans by for, is a they're used as shamans by for, is a technology, a device. technology, a device. technology, a device. for getting you out of your own way and for getting you out of your own way and for getting you out of your own way and allowing you to connect with other allowing you to connect with other allowing you to connect with other levels of reality that in daily life it levels of reality that in daily life it levels of reality that in daily life it doesn't serve you to be connected with. doesn't serve you to be connected with. doesn't serve you to be connected with. >> The interesting thing about DMT in >> The interesting thing about DMT in >> The interesting thing about DMT in particular is when you speak to people particular is when you speak to people particular is when you speak to people who have done DMT. You know, I spent who have done DMT. You know, I spent who have done DMT. You know, I spent about a year working in a quite a big about a year working in a quite a big about a year working in a quite a big psychedelics company just to I got psychedelics company just to I got psychedelics company just to I got really fascinated. I'd left my company. really fascinated. I'd left my company. really fascinated. I'd left my company. I didn't have anything to do with my I didn't have anything to do with my I didn't have anything to do with my time. time. time. So, I started this podcast and I also on So, I started this podcast and I also on So, I started this podcast and I also on YouTube and I also started working at a YouTube and I also started working at a YouTube and I also started working at a psychedelics business cuz I found the psychedelics business cuz I found the psychedelics business cuz I found the the studies on mental health and the studies on mental health and the studies on mental health and psychedelics really interesting. So, I psychedelics really interesting. So, I psychedelics really interesting. So, I have quite a deep understanding, I guess have quite a deep understanding, I guess have quite a deep understanding, I guess higher than average of ibogaine and higher than average of ibogaine and higher than average of ibogaine and ayahuasca and DMT and my partner ayahuasca and DMT and my partner ayahuasca and DMT and my partner is very very spiritual and has done all is very very spiritual and has done all is very very spiritual and has done all these things as well. So, these things as well. So, these things as well. So, one of the fascinating things is how one of the fascinating things is how one of the fascinating things is how similar people's experiences are on similar people's experiences are on similar people's experiences are on something like DMT. The fun funnily something like DMT. The fun funnily something like DMT. The fun funnily enough, your description of these enough, your description of these enough, your description of these creatures saying, "You'll you belong to creatures saying, "You'll you belong to creatures saying, "You'll you belong to us now." is almost verbatim us now." is almost verbatim us now." is almost verbatim what what what one of my friends what what what one of my friends what what what one of my friends described 2 weeks ago.

described 2 weeks ago. described 2 weeks ago. That they were teleported into this like That they were teleported into this like That they were teleported into this like 4K realm where these creatures that are 4K realm where these creatures that are 4K realm where these creatures that are like slightly animal in their anatomical like slightly animal in their anatomical like slightly animal in their anatomical structure, maybe slightly a little bit structure, maybe slightly a little bit structure, maybe slightly a little bit human as well, basically was like had human as well, basically was like had human as well, basically was like had had taken hold of him had taken hold of him had taken hold of him and they were very curious and and they were very curious and and they were very curious and inspecting him. Very colorful realm and inspecting him. Very colorful realm and inspecting him. Very colorful realm and then they kind of sent him back or at then they kind of sent him back or at then they kind of sent him back or at least, you know, after the And it and it least, you know, after the And it and it least, you know, after the And it and it does make one wonder. I think one of my does make one wonder. I think one of my does make one wonder. I think one of my conclusions was if if inhaling a small conclusions was if if inhaling a small conclusions was if if inhaling a small chemical chemical chemical can completely take me to another place, can completely take me to another place, can completely take me to another place, then and and if you from a reasoning then and and if you from a reasoning then and and if you from a reasoning perspective, it's just a it was an one perspective, it's just a it was an one perspective, it's just a it was an one inhale of a chemical, inhale of a chemical, inhale of a chemical, then it goes to say that my current then it goes to say that my current then it goes to say that my current perception of reality yeah, perception of reality yeah, perception of reality yeah, is just is as fragile as an inhale of a is just is as fragile as an inhale of a is just is as fragile as an inhale of a chemical. Like me thinking that I'm here chemical. Like me thinking that I'm here chemical. Like me thinking that I'm here with you now is as fragile as inhaling with you now is as fragile as inhaling with you now is as fragile as inhaling one chemical. So, to think that this is one chemical. So, to think that this is one chemical. So, to think that this is base reality when the difference between base reality when the difference between base reality when the difference between this and being with some grasshopper this and being with some grasshopper this and being with some grasshopper people people people >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> in 4K [laughter] >> in 4K [laughter] >> in 4K [laughter] >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> is literally an an ale. It just That for >> is literally an an ale. It just That for >> is literally an an ale. It just That for me I was like, "Oh, wow. Okay."

me I was like, "Oh, wow. Okay." me I was like, "Oh, wow. Okay." >> It's an extraordinary realization when >> It's an extraordinary realization when >> It's an extraordinary realization when that comes and it causes us to question that comes and it causes us to question that comes and it causes us to question the nature of reality itself. And this the nature of reality itself. And this the nature of reality itself. And this is um is um is um This is what's really important about This is what's really important about This is what's really important about these medicines. First and foremost, these medicines. First and foremost, these medicines. First and foremost, you're right. The these um psychedelic you're right. The these um psychedelic you're right. The these um psychedelic medicines are proving incredibly medicines are proving incredibly medicines are proving incredibly effective as therapeutic tools. And effective as therapeutic tools. And effective as therapeutic tools. And that's great. I I I really that's great. I I I really that's great. I I I really think that's incredibly valuable. But think that's incredibly valuable. But think that's incredibly valuable. But there's another level to go, which is to there's another level to go, which is to there's another level to go, which is to the inquiry into the nature of reality the inquiry into the nature of reality the inquiry into the nature of reality and the inquiry into what consciousness and the inquiry into what consciousness and the inquiry into what consciousness is. is. is. These medicines are very effective means These medicines are very effective means These medicines are very effective means to conduct that inquiry and that's why I to conduct that inquiry and that's why I to conduct that inquiry and that's why I applaud what they're doing at Imperial applaud what they're doing at Imperial applaud what they're doing at Imperial College in London. They're also going to College in London. They're also going to College in London. They're also going to be doing trials at the University of be doing trials at the University of be doing trials at the University of California, San Diego. California, San Diego. California, San Diego. Um they're going to be doing trials in Um they're going to be doing trials in Um they're going to be doing trials in Costa Rica. Costa Rica. Costa Rica. Uh a whole range of places now are Uh a whole range of places now are Uh a whole range of places now are looking into this cuz it's really looking into this cuz it's really looking into this cuz it's really interesting. People coming back and interesting. People coming back and interesting. People coming back and reporting the same experience when they reporting the same experience when they reporting the same experience when they haven't compared notes yet. How do we haven't compared notes yet. How do we haven't compared notes yet. How do we explain that? Because it's in a vision explain that? Because it's in a vision explain that? Because it's in a vision and people say that at the moment the and people say that at the moment the and people say that at the moment the default mode is to dismiss it and say default mode is to dismiss it and say default mode is to dismiss it and say that's just rubbish. Don't waste time on that's just rubbish. Don't waste time on that's just rubbish. Don't waste time on it. Our preconceptions about the nature it. Our preconceptions about the nature it. Our preconceptions about the nature of reality should not limit our inquiry of reality should not limit our inquiry of reality should not limit our inquiry into the nature of reality. And at the into the nature of reality. And at the into the nature of reality. And at the moment, still unfortunately, there are moment, still unfortunately, there are moment, still unfortunately, there are preconceptions about the nature of preconceptions about the nature of preconceptions about the nature of reality, which is that it's reality, which is that it's reality, which is that it's material-based, that there's nothing material-based, that there's nothing material-based, that there's nothing else to it really. Everything is reduced else to it really. Everything is reduced else to it really. Everything is reduced to matter. Even consciousness is reduced to matter. Even consciousness is reduced to matter. Even consciousness is reduced to matter. It's reduced to the physical to matter. It's reduced to the physical to matter. It's reduced to the physical matter of the brain. We don't know that

matter of the brain. We don't know that matter of the brain. We don't know that for sure. We don't know what's going on. for sure. We don't know what's going on. for sure. We don't know what's going on. Consciousness is absolutely not Consciousness is absolutely not Consciousness is absolutely not understood. And so, when we have understood. And so, when we have understood. And so, when we have mysteries like people who are injected a mysteries like people who are injected a mysteries like people who are injected a small dose of a chemical like DMT and go small dose of a chemical like DMT and go small dose of a chemical like DMT and go off into a completely other reality. off into a completely other reality. off into a completely other reality. That's really interesting. And it's it's That's really interesting. And it's it's That's really interesting. And it's it's it's it's at at least as interesting, if it's it's at at least as interesting, if it's it's at at least as interesting, if not more interesting, than exploring not more interesting, than exploring not more interesting, than exploring other planets right now. I think we need other planets right now. I think we need other planets right now. I think we need to I think we need to explore ourselves to I think we need to explore ourselves to I think we need to explore ourselves first. We need to first. We need to first. We need to We're not in shape as a species to start We're not in shape as a species to start We're not in shape as a species to start exploring the universe. We don't want to exploring the universe. We don't want to exploring the universe. We don't want to export our toxicity to other parts of export our toxicity to other parts of export our toxicity to other parts of the universe until we've overcome it, the universe until we've overcome it, the universe until we've overcome it, until we've grown up as a species, which until we've grown up as a species, which until we've grown up as a species, which we haven't done yet. We need to know we haven't done yet. We need to know we haven't done yet. We need to know ourselves. Psychedelics are one way to ourselves. Psychedelics are one way to ourselves. Psychedelics are one way to do that, not used irresponsibly, but do that, not used irresponsibly, but do that, not used irresponsibly, but used responsibly in a structured, used responsibly in a structured, used responsibly in a structured, careful, thoughtful way. They can be careful, thoughtful way. They can be careful, thoughtful way. They can be very helpful in knowing ourselves. very helpful in knowing ourselves. very helpful in knowing ourselves. That's the journey we need to do first. That's the journey we need to do first. That's the journey we need to do first. Go to Mars by all means, you know, go to Go to Mars by all means, you know, go to Go to Mars by all means, you know, go to the moon, we go even further, but do the moon, we go even further, but do the moon, we go even further, but do this first. Know who you are first this first. Know who you are first this first. Know who you are first before you start doing those bigger and before you start doing those bigger and before you start doing those bigger and wider investigations. Get all that wider investigations. Get all that wider investigations. Get all that sorted out, cuz we hardly sorted out sorted out, cuz we hardly sorted out sorted out, cuz we hardly sorted out anything on this planet, and we're anything on this planet, and we're anything on this planet, and we're talking about exploring other planets.

talking about exploring other planets. talking about exploring other planets. Well, I'm all in favor of exploring Well, I'm all in favor of exploring Well, I'm all in favor of exploring other planets, but I'd like to sort out other planets, but I'd like to sort out other planets, but I'd like to sort out things on this planet first. That's things on this planet first. That's things on this planet first. That's where the resources should be going, and where the resources should be going, and where the resources should be going, and we should stop kidding ourselves that we we should stop kidding ourselves that we we should stop kidding ourselves that we can just escape this planet and make a can just escape this planet and make a can just escape this planet and make a complete of it, leave it, and complete of it, leave it, and complete of it, leave it, and go and live somewhere else. No, we can go and live somewhere else. No, we can go and live somewhere else. No, we can fix this. We are capable of fixing this. fix this. We are capable of fixing this. fix this. We are capable of fixing this. We are capable of fixing everything. We are capable of fixing everything. We are capable of fixing everything. Human beings have enormous potential. Human beings have enormous potential. Human beings have enormous potential. We're just using a fraction of 1% of it We're just using a fraction of 1% of it We're just using a fraction of 1% of it at the moment. at the moment. at the moment. >> The question I you know, I mean the >> The question I you know, I mean the >> The question I you know, I mean the obvious question that comes to mind is obvious question that comes to mind is obvious question that comes to mind is how. I see, you know, maybe how. I see, you know, maybe how. I see, you know, maybe I don't know, maybe some kind of leader I don't know, maybe some kind of leader I don't know, maybe some kind of leader comes along. comes along. comes along. >> Could be. Um >> Could be. Um >> Could be. Um I think we need to I think we need to I think we need to need to move past leaders. need to move past leaders. need to move past leaders. >> I just don't know how else humans would >> I just don't know how else humans would >> I just don't know how else humans would change without some kind of leadership. change without some kind of leadership. change without some kind of leadership. >> difficult to see. I agree with you. It's >> difficult to see. I agree with you. It's >> difficult to see. I agree with you. It's very It's very difficult to see how it very It's very difficult to see how it very It's very difficult to see how it happens. One person at a time, happens. One person at a time, happens. One person at a time, um slowly through through word of mouth, um slowly through through word of mouth, um slowly through through word of mouth, through experience. But look, through experience. But look, through experience. But look, everything in the ayahuasca garden is everything in the ayahuasca garden is everything in the ayahuasca garden is not all flowers either. There's a lot of not all flowers either. There's a lot of not all flowers either. There's a lot of very wrong behavior going on there.

very wrong behavior going on there. very wrong behavior going on there. People are exploiting that medicine. People are exploiting that medicine. People are exploiting that medicine. Basically, drug dealers are exploiting Basically, drug dealers are exploiting Basically, drug dealers are exploiting that medicine and offering it that medicine and offering it that medicine and offering it irresponsibly to people in groups of 100 irresponsibly to people in groups of 100 irresponsibly to people in groups of 100 or even more. That that that's that's or even more. That that that's that's or even more. That that that's that's actually really really stupid to do actually really really stupid to do actually really really stupid to do that. Ayahuasca is an intimate that. Ayahuasca is an intimate that. Ayahuasca is an intimate experience and it needs to be done in a experience and it needs to be done in a experience and it needs to be done in a very small group, not a very large very small group, not a very large very small group, not a very large group. group. group. So it's not it's not all roses. I'm not So it's not it's not all roses. I'm not So it's not it's not all roses. I'm not I you know, I'm not trying to paint I you know, I'm not trying to paint I you know, I'm not trying to paint these medicines in a these medicines in a these medicines in a in in a false light. They have their in in a false light. They have their in in a false light. They have their downsides. They have their problems. downsides. They have their problems. downsides. They have their problems. They are extremely serious. We should They are extremely serious. We should They are extremely serious. We should always research and investigate before always research and investigate before always research and investigate before any experience with psychedelics, but any experience with psychedelics, but any experience with psychedelics, but they have a part to play and it's an they have a part to play and it's an they have a part to play and it's an important part and thank God we're important part and thank God we're important part and thank God we're seeing its effects in psilocybin effect seeing its effects in psilocybin effect seeing its effects in psilocybin effect on long-term depression. Very important. on long-term depression. Very important. on long-term depression. Very important. Post-traumatic stress disorder, very Post-traumatic stress disorder, very Post-traumatic stress disorder, very important. These therapeutic important. These therapeutic important. These therapeutic breakthroughs hopefully will open the breakthroughs hopefully will open the breakthroughs hopefully will open the door to further inquiries into the kind door to further inquiries into the kind door to further inquiries into the kind of work that's being done at Imperial of work that's being done at Imperial of work that's being done at Imperial College. What does this really tell us College. What does this really tell us College. What does this really tell us about the mystery of consciousness? What about the mystery of consciousness? What about the mystery of consciousness? What does this really tell us about what we does this really tell us about what we does this really tell us about what we think is real?

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>> Through your journey through um ancient >> Through your journey through um ancient civilizations, what have you come to civilizations, what have you come to civilizations, what have you come to learn about what this consciousness learn about what this consciousness learn about what this consciousness thing is, if anything at all? Or at thing is, if anything at all? Or at thing is, if anything at all? Or at least what people believed? least what people believed? least what people believed? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and how those similar mythologies >> Um and how those similar mythologies >> Um and how those similar mythologies were similar. were similar. were similar. >> Yes, I've partly I've partly come to >> Yes, I've partly I've partly come to >> Yes, I've partly I've partly come to this through the ancient texts. There's this through the ancient texts. There's this through the ancient texts. There's a very specific uh scene in a number of a very specific uh scene in a number of a very specific uh scene in a number of the ancient Egyptian funerary text. It's the ancient Egyptian funerary text. It's the ancient Egyptian funerary text. It's called the judgment scene. called the judgment scene. called the judgment scene. And what you see is you see the deceased And what you see is you see the deceased And what you see is you see the deceased entering into a hall, into a room, at entering into a hall, into a room, at entering into a hall, into a room, at the end of which sits the god Osiris the end of which sits the god Osiris the end of which sits the god Osiris enthroned. enthroned. enthroned. And uh the deceased is led into the hall And uh the deceased is led into the hall And uh the deceased is led into the hall by the goddess Ma'at. She's recognized by the goddess Ma'at. She's recognized by the goddess Ma'at. She's recognized by a feather that she wears in a by a feather that she wears in a by a feather that she wears in a headdress. She's the goddess of truth, headdress. She's the goddess of truth, headdress. She's the goddess of truth, justice, justice, justice, and cosmic harmony. and cosmic harmony. and cosmic harmony. He enters He enters He enters the hall. There's a scale in the hall. the hall. There's a scale in the hall. the hall. There's a scale in the hall. In one pan of the scale In one pan of the scale In one pan of the scale is an object that represents his heart is an object that represents his heart is an object that represents his heart {oblique} his soul. Heart and soul were {oblique} his soul. Heart and soul were {oblique} his soul. Heart and soul were the same thing for the Egyptians in that the same thing for the Egyptians in that the same thing for the Egyptians in that sense.

sense. sense. And in the other pan And in the other pan And in the other pan is the feather of Ma'at. is the feather of Ma'at. is the feather of Ma'at. The feather of truth, harmony, and The feather of truth, harmony, and The feather of truth, harmony, and cosmic justice. cosmic justice. cosmic justice. You do not want your heart to outweigh You do not want your heart to outweigh You do not want your heart to outweigh the feather the feather the feather at that moment. at that moment. at that moment. You want at the very least to be in You want at the very least to be in You want at the very least to be in balance. balance. balance. And in order to be in balance, then And in order to be in balance, then And in order to be in balance, then comes into question the whole way that comes into question the whole way that comes into question the whole way that you've lived your life. Up on the wall you've lived your life. Up on the wall you've lived your life. Up on the wall of the hall, there are 42 little of the hall, there are 42 little of the hall, there are 42 little figures. They're called the 42 negative figures. They're called the 42 negative figures. They're called the 42 negative assessors. Each one of them's going to assessors. Each one of them's going to assessors. Each one of them's going to ask you a question. ask you a question. ask you a question. Did you steal? Did you steal? Did you steal? Did you kill? Actually, the 10 Did you kill? Actually, the 10 Did you kill? Actually, the 10 Commandments are all in there and a lot Commandments are all in there and a lot Commandments are all in there and a lot more as well. more as well. more as well. Ideally, Ideally, Ideally, you should be able to answer no to all you should be able to answer no to all you should be able to answer no to all of those questions, but the ancient of those questions, but the ancient of those questions, but the ancient Egyptians Egyptians Egyptians always understood how frail human beings always understood how frail human beings always understood how frail human beings are and that we can always make are and that we can always make are and that we can always make mistakes. The question is, what do we do mistakes. The question is, what do we do mistakes. The question is, what do we do when we make a mistake? Do we learn from when we make a mistake? Do we learn from when we make a mistake? Do we learn from it or do we keep on repeating it? And it or do we keep on repeating it? And it or do we keep on repeating it? And what I read into that is what I read into that is what I read into that is you were given you were given you were given you, the deceased, you were given an you, the deceased, you were given an you, the deceased, you were given an incredible opportunity.

incredible opportunity. incredible opportunity. We allowed you to be born in a human We allowed you to be born in a human We allowed you to be born in a human body. body. body. You could have a range of experiences You could have a range of experiences You could have a range of experiences that no other physical form on your that no other physical form on your that no other physical form on your planet could have. You you you had this planet could have. You you you had this planet could have. You you you had this huge brain. You had this enormous huge brain. You had this enormous huge brain. You had this enormous capacity. We gave it this to you. capacity. We gave it this to you. capacity. We gave it this to you. What did you do with it? What did you do with it? What did you do with it? Did you use it well? Did you use it well? Did you use it well? Or did you squander it and waste it? And Or did you squander it and waste it? And Or did you squander it and waste it? And at that moment, you'd better be there at that moment, you'd better be there at that moment, you'd better be there with some answers about how you used it with some answers about how you used it with some answers about how you used it well. well. well. So, as I come towards the end of my So, as I come towards the end of my So, as I come towards the end of my life, I look very carefully at my life I life, I look very carefully at my life I life, I look very carefully at my life I and um and um and um I try to undo wrongs that I have done in I try to undo wrongs that I have done in I try to undo wrongs that I have done in the past if I can and I try to make sure the past if I can and I try to make sure the past if I can and I try to make sure I don't do any more in the future. I I don't do any more in the future. I I don't do any more in the future. I want to be a nurturing want to be a nurturing want to be a nurturing and positive and positive and positive and useful person to the people around and useful person to the people around and useful person to the people around me. me. me. >> The the health situation you've gone >> The the health situation you've gone >> The the health situation you've gone through is clearly made you quite through is clearly made you quite through is clearly made you quite introspective, probably more so than you introspective, probably more so than you introspective, probably more so than you you might have been 10 years ago, I'm you might have been 10 years ago, I'm you might have been 10 years ago, I'm guessing. guessing. guessing. >> Oh, yeah. Ab- absolutely. I was still >> Oh, yeah. Ab- absolutely. I was still >> Oh, yeah. Ab- absolutely. I was still immortal 10 years ago. immortal 10 years ago. immortal 10 years ago. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Listen, each and every one of us, every >> Listen, each and every one of us, every >> Listen, each and every one of us, every single human being on this planet could single human being on this planet could single human being on this planet could die in the next minute.

die in the next minute. die in the next minute. Life is that fragile. It's that sudden. Life is that fragile. It's that sudden. Life is that fragile. It's that sudden. You can never predict you you how long You can never predict you you how long You can never predict you you how long you're going to live, but what something you're going to live, but what something you're going to live, but what something like this does, it focuses the mind and like this does, it focuses the mind and like this does, it focuses the mind and it does make me wish more and more that it does make me wish more and more that it does make me wish more and more that I can leave this life with I can leave this life with I can leave this life with as few regrets as possible as few regrets as possible as few regrets as possible and that I can feel that I played a and that I can feel that I played a and that I can feel that I played a useful and positive role useful and positive role useful and positive role in the life of others and that I in the life of others and that I in the life of others and that I even played even played even played in some way a useful and positive role in some way a useful and positive role in some way a useful and positive role in the life of the species in the life of the species in the life of the species to which I belong. to which I belong. to which I belong. >> Are you happy? >> Are you happy? >> Are you happy? >> I am very happy. >> I am very happy. >> I am very happy. In a lot of ways, I'm blessed to have In a lot of ways, I'm blessed to have In a lot of ways, I'm blessed to have lived the life I've lived, lived the life I've lived, lived the life I've lived, to have traveled the world, to have the to have traveled the world, to have the to have traveled the world, to have the adventures that I have had. adventures that I have had. adventures that I have had. I'm blessed with a beautiful and I'm blessed with a beautiful and I'm blessed with a beautiful and wonderful wife and companion, my wife wonderful wife and companion, my wife wonderful wife and companion, my wife Santha. Santha. Santha. >> I've got this wonderful picture of her. >> I've got this wonderful picture of her. >> I've got this wonderful picture of her. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She glows. >> She glows. >> She glows. >> That's me and Santha. >> That's me and Santha. >> That's me and Santha. We met when we were about 40 years old.

We met when we were about 40 years old. We met when we were about 40 years old. And um And um And um I don't think we've been apart more than I don't think we've been apart more than I don't think we've been apart more than 4 days in the entire 30-plus years 4 days in the entire 30-plus years 4 days in the entire 30-plus years uh since then. uh since then. uh since then. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Uh we do everything together. We travel >> Uh we do everything together. We travel >> Uh we do everything together. We travel together. Santha's a photographer, together. Santha's a photographer, together. Santha's a photographer, brilliant photographer. Um and and uh I brilliant photographer. Um and and uh I brilliant photographer. Um and and uh I do not have a great visual eye. So, we do not have a great visual eye. So, we do not have a great visual eye. So, we work together. I do the words, Santha work together. I do the words, Santha work together. I do the words, Santha does the pictures. We have the does the pictures. We have the does the pictures. We have the adventures together. We did the scuba adventures together. We did the scuba adventures together. We did the scuba diving together. Santha nearly lost her diving together. Santha nearly lost her diving together. Santha nearly lost her life twice in intense currents life twice in intense currents life twice in intense currents scuba diving. She's brave. She's an scuba diving. She's brave. She's an scuba diving. She's brave. She's an adventurer. adventurer. adventurer. She's a wonderful mother. She's a wonderful mother. She's a wonderful mother. This is so important. Santha and I have This is so important. Santha and I have This is so important. Santha and I have six children between us. Santha brought six children between us. Santha brought six children between us. Santha brought two from her previous marriage. two from her previous marriage. two from her previous marriage. I brought two from my first marriage and I brought two from my first marriage and I brought two from my first marriage and two from my second marriage. two from my second marriage. two from my second marriage. So, six children from three broken So, six children from three broken So, six children from three broken marriages is a potential disaster. marriages is a potential disaster. marriages is a potential disaster. Santha brought them all together into a Santha brought them all together into a Santha brought them all together into a group of loving, deeply committed group of loving, deeply committed group of loving, deeply committed siblings who care for one another, who siblings who care for one another, who siblings who care for one another, who are constantly in each other's lives, are constantly in each other's lives, are constantly in each other's lives, who are there to support one another. who are there to support one another. who are there to support one another. Santha did that Santha did that Santha did that by just being a brilliant, loving by just being a brilliant, loving by just being a brilliant, loving person. So, I'm very happy person. So, I'm very happy person. So, I'm very happy to have such a great partner to have such a great partner to have such a great partner who's stood by me through thick and thin who's stood by me through thick and thin who's stood by me through thick and thin and who's brought out these wonderful and who's brought out these wonderful and who's brought out these wonderful characters in in in our children and now characters in in in our children and now characters in in in our children and now our grandchildren. You know, nine our grandchildren. You know, nine our grandchildren. You know, nine grandchildren, six grandkids.

grandchildren, six grandkids. grandchildren, six grandkids. All of it's down to Santa. All of it's down to Santa. All of it's down to Santa. >> It's remarkable that through all the >> It's remarkable that through all the >> It's remarkable that through all the wonders of human history and all the wonders of human history and all the wonders of human history and all the things we talked about, that love, things we talked about, that love, things we talked about, that love, like this kind of romantic love, is like this kind of romantic love, is like this kind of romantic love, is so central, so important, so central to so central, so important, so central to so central, so important, so central to our happiness. I just thought, "Oh, it's our happiness. I just thought, "Oh, it's our happiness. I just thought, "Oh, it's so It's just a wonderful reminder of um so It's just a wonderful reminder of um so It's just a wonderful reminder of um how easy it is to get caught up in the how easy it is to get caught up in the how easy it is to get caught up in the material and and all the toxic, whereas, material and and all the toxic, whereas, material and and all the toxic, whereas, you know, you know, you know, so much of it comes from just the so much of it comes from just the so much of it comes from just the simplicity of falling in love with simplicity of falling in love with simplicity of falling in love with someone." someone." someone." >> Love is what it's all about. And and >> Love is what it's all about. And and >> Love is what it's all about. And and love is love is giving. It's giving love is love is giving. It's giving love is love is giving. It's giving yourself yourself yourself to somebody else. It's putting the other to somebody else. It's putting the other to somebody else. It's putting the other person person person Sorry, I'm going to end up crying. This Sorry, I'm going to end up crying. This Sorry, I'm going to end up crying. This This is what my [clears throat] wife This is what my [clears throat] wife This is what my [clears throat] wife does does does all the time with everybody. She puts other people first. She puts other people first. And uh And uh And uh others benefit enormously from that. I'm others benefit enormously from that. I'm others benefit enormously from that. I'm very fortunate. very fortunate. very fortunate. I think I think if I hadn't met Santa I think I think if I hadn't met Santa I think I think if I hadn't met Santa when I did and we hadn't formed this when I did and we hadn't formed this when I did and we hadn't formed this joint life, joint life, joint life, I think I think I think I would have made nothing of my life.

I would have made nothing of my life. I would have made nothing of my life. Nothing at all. I think it would have Nothing at all. I think it would have Nothing at all. I think it would have just gone down the tubes. I needed a just gone down the tubes. I needed a just gone down the tubes. I needed a loving steering hand at that point. loving steering hand at that point. loving steering hand at that point. Anyway, very lucky. I I I am happy. Anyway, very lucky. I I I am happy. Anyway, very lucky. I I I am happy. There are things that make me unhappy, There are things that make me unhappy, There are things that make me unhappy, of course, just like every every every of course, just like every every every of course, just like every every every other human being. I I other human being. I I other human being. I I don't understand why those who are don't understand why those who are don't understand why those who are bitterly opposed to my work want to try bitterly opposed to my work want to try bitterly opposed to my work want to try and present me as some kind of fraud or and present me as some kind of fraud or and present me as some kind of fraud or grifter, but I suppose it's a easy way grifter, but I suppose it's a easy way grifter, but I suppose it's a easy way to lazily dismiss somebody else. Uh to lazily dismiss somebody else. Uh to lazily dismiss somebody else. Uh another thing that has been used another thing that has been used another thing that has been used is because I've considered the is because I've considered the is because I've considered the possibility of a lost civilization possibility of a lost civilization possibility of a lost civilization having an influence on other known having an influence on other known having an influence on other known historical civilization, uh I've been historical civilization, uh I've been historical civilization, uh I've been accused of racism, as well. accused of racism, as well. accused of racism, as well. That I've been I've been accused of That I've been I've been accused of That I've been I've been accused of taking away the authenticity of taking away the authenticity of taking away the authenticity of indigenous achievements. indigenous achievements. indigenous achievements. Um and and that again has been without Um and and that again has been without Um and and that again has been without without any receipts. It's not been it's without any receipts. It's not been it's without any receipts. It's not been it's just thrown out there as an accusation. just thrown out there as an accusation. just thrown out there as an accusation. Now, for me with with a multi-ethnic Now, for me with with a multi-ethnic Now, for me with with a multi-ethnic family, family, family, uh that racism abuse that has been uh that racism abuse that has been uh that racism abuse that has been thrown at me constantly uh is extremely thrown at me constantly uh is extremely thrown at me constantly uh is extremely hurtful and extremely painful. It's one hurtful and extremely painful. It's one hurtful and extremely painful. It's one of the few things that have been thrown of the few things that have been thrown of the few things that have been thrown at me that I actually cannot forgive.

at me that I actually cannot forgive. at me that I actually cannot forgive. It's unforgivable to use that lazy It's unforgivable to use that lazy It's unforgivable to use that lazy easy dismissal. easy dismissal. easy dismissal. In a society where a lot of people don't In a society where a lot of people don't In a society where a lot of people don't read anymore, I mean, I can pretty much read anymore, I mean, I can pretty much read anymore, I mean, I can pretty much guarantee people who hear that on the guarantee people who hear that on the guarantee people who hear that on the internet, they're not going to go and internet, they're not going to go and internet, they're not going to go and read the books and actually find out read the books and actually find out read the books and actually find out what I said. They're just going to take what I said. They're just going to take what I said. They're just going to take it as face value. So, that does hurt and it as face value. So, that does hurt and it as face value. So, that does hurt and it does make me sad. But generally, I'm it does make me sad. But generally, I'm it does make me sad. But generally, I'm blessed. I'm lucky. I've lived a blessed. I'm lucky. I've lived a blessed. I'm lucky. I've lived a fantastic fantastic fantastic privileged life. I've explored the privileged life. I've explored the privileged life. I've explored the world. I'm surrounded by love and world. I'm surrounded by love and world. I'm surrounded by love and onwards and upwards as far as I'm onwards and upwards as far as I'm onwards and upwards as far as I'm concerned. concerned. concerned. >> Well, you know, Graham, I think at the >> Well, you know, Graham, I think at the >> Well, you know, Graham, I think at the end of the day, the thing that endures end of the day, the thing that endures end of the day, the thing that endures is is is the impact the curiosity that you've the impact the curiosity that you've the impact the curiosity that you've you've provoked in people, allowed them you've provoked in people, allowed them you've provoked in people, allowed them to wonder beyond the narrowness of our to wonder beyond the narrowness of our to wonder beyond the narrowness of our lives, which is quite miserable. A lives, which is quite miserable. A lives, which is quite miserable. A narrow life is feels kind of like a narrow life is feels kind of like a narrow life is feels kind of like a miserable life where you can't be miserable life where you can't be miserable life where you can't be open-minded and explore. And And that's open-minded and explore. And And that's open-minded and explore. And And that's why I love these conversations. It's not why I love these conversations. It's not why I love these conversations. It's not to say that I to say that I to say that I that I always accept when I have these that I always accept when I have these that I always accept when I have these kind of conversations everything to be kind of conversations everything to be kind of conversations everything to be 100% true. But the net benefit for me is 100% true. But the net benefit for me is 100% true. But the net benefit for me is just expanding my mind to possibility.

just expanding my mind to possibility. just expanding my mind to possibility. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> And like, please don't rob me of the >> And like, please don't rob me of the >> And like, please don't rob me of the opportunity to expand my mind to opportunity to expand my mind to opportunity to expand my mind to possibility. possibility. possibility. What would my life become without What would my life become without What would my life become without possibility or hope or all these things? possibility or hope or all these things? possibility or hope or all these things? And And actually, when I look at And And actually, when I look at And And actually, when I look at graphs like this that show how our graphs like this that show how our graphs like this that show how our beliefs uh and scientific understanding beliefs uh and scientific understanding beliefs uh and scientific understanding has changed even in recent times as as has changed even in recent times as as has changed even in recent times as as recent as 2017 recent as 2017 recent as 2017 on this particular graph, I go, "Well, on this particular graph, I go, "Well, on this particular graph, I go, "Well, I'd have some arrogance to assume that I I'd have some arrogance to assume that I I'd have some arrogance to assume that I know it all today." know it all today." know it all today." >> Totally. Thing Things are Things are >> Totally. Thing Things are Things are >> Totally. Thing Things are Things are constantly changing. You know, every constantly changing. You know, every constantly changing. You know, every turn of the spade in an archaeological turn of the spade in an archaeological turn of the spade in an archaeological dig can change the whole story. Change dig can change the whole story. Change dig can change the whole story. Change the whole story. This is not limited to the whole story. This is not limited to the whole story. This is not limited to archaeology. This is found in all fields archaeology. This is found in all fields archaeology. This is found in all fields where there are specialists where there are specialists where there are specialists that they they tend to get locked into a that they they tend to get locked into a that they they tend to get locked into a particular reference frame and actually particular reference frame and actually particular reference frame and actually defend it in a territorial way. It defend it in a territorial way. It defend it in a territorial way. It becomes like a war and they they they becomes like a war and they they they becomes like a war and they they they feel absolutely responsible to defend feel absolutely responsible to defend feel absolutely responsible to defend that territory against all comers and that territory against all comers and that territory against all comers and will use any dirty tricks that are will use any dirty tricks that are will use any dirty tricks that are needed to be used in order to defeat the needed to be used in order to defeat the needed to be used in order to defeat the enemy. So you asked me a straight enemy. So you asked me a straight enemy. So you asked me a straight forward question, forward question, forward question, am I happy? Yes, I am happy and I am I happy? Yes, I am happy and I am I happy? Yes, I am happy and I honestly answered you that there are honestly answered you that there are honestly answered you that there are certain things particularly the racism certain things particularly the racism certain things particularly the racism assaults on me that do make me extremely assaults on me that do make me extremely assaults on me that do make me extremely unhappy.

unhappy. unhappy. >> What else do I need to know about >> What else do I need to know about >> What else do I need to know about the the possibility of an ancient the the possibility of an ancient the the possibility of an ancient civilization that might inform how I civilization that might inform how I civilization that might inform how I think about myself, my life and I guess think about myself, my life and I guess think about myself, my life and I guess also our future. What I found so also our future. What I found so also our future. What I found so fascinating is especially we're in a fascinating is especially we're in a fascinating is especially we're in a moment of this AI revolution where moment of this AI revolution where moment of this AI revolution where you've got these sort of big forces of you've got these sort of big forces of you've got these sort of big forces of you've got nuclear weapons over here, you've got nuclear weapons over here, you've got nuclear weapons over here, you've now got this advanced you've now got this advanced you've now got this advanced intelligence, there's humanoid robots on intelligence, there's humanoid robots on intelligence, there's humanoid robots on the horizon. the horizon. the horizon. And if there was ever a moment where the And if there was ever a moment where the And if there was ever a moment where the word you know existential is being used word you know existential is being used word you know existential is being used in a in a way that is probably in a in a way that is probably in a in a way that is probably appropriate, for me it feels like now. appropriate, for me it feels like now. appropriate, for me it feels like now. >> Yeah, feels like now to me too. >> Yeah, feels like now to me too. >> Yeah, feels like now to me too. This is a no doubt This is a no doubt This is a no doubt our species is poised on the edge of an our species is poised on the edge of an our species is poised on the edge of an abyss right now. abyss right now. abyss right now. Our technology has outgrown our Our technology has outgrown our Our technology has outgrown our mentality mentality mentality and we're not and we're not and we're not we're not in good shape to deal with the we're not in good shape to deal with the we're not in good shape to deal with the times that lie ahead. I I times that lie ahead. I I times that lie ahead. I I unfortunately the chances of a nuclear unfortunately the chances of a nuclear unfortunately the chances of a nuclear exchange are just higher and higher and exchange are just higher and higher and exchange are just higher and higher and that's just a realistic assessment of that's just a realistic assessment of that's just a realistic assessment of the way the world is with this maniacal the way the world is with this maniacal the way the world is with this maniacal leaders. So what could we learn from the leaders. So what could we learn from the leaders. So what could we learn from the past that we I I I believe we can learn past that we I I I believe we can learn past that we I I I believe we can learn that there's another way to live, that that there's another way to live, that that there's another way to live, that we don't have to do it this way.

we don't have to do it this way. we don't have to do it this way. >> How do you know? >> How do you know? >> How do you know? >> I I that's that's something I believe. >> I I that's that's something I believe. >> I I that's that's something I believe. >> Okay, believe. >> Okay, believe. >> Okay, believe. >> That's something I don't know. >> That's something I don't know. >> That's something I don't know. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I guess I'm optimistic that human beings >> I guess I'm optimistic that human beings >> I guess I'm optimistic that human beings have made it through have made it through have made it through all these centuries, all these thousands all these centuries, all these thousands all these centuries, all these thousands of years, all these hundreds of of years, all these hundreds of of years, all these hundreds of thousands of years, that we've made it thousands of years, that we've made it thousands of years, that we've made it through, we've made terrible mistakes, through, we've made terrible mistakes, through, we've made terrible mistakes, done terrible things. I mean, look at done terrible things. I mean, look at done terrible things. I mean, look at the Second World War. the Second World War. the Second World War. God knows how many people were killed God knows how many people were killed God knows how many people were killed there. 20 million Russians alone, if I there. 20 million Russians alone, if I there. 20 million Russians alone, if I remember correctly. It's just horrific, remember correctly. It's just horrific, remember correctly. It's just horrific, absolute horror. absolute horror. absolute horror. It's on It's on It's on When I was born in 1950, the Second When I was born in 1950, the Second When I was born in 1950, the Second World War was only 5 years away and at World War was only 5 years away and at World War was only 5 years away and at the end of it and it hung over us, you the end of it and it hung over us, you the end of it and it hung over us, you know, you were our generation were aware know, you were our generation were aware know, you were our generation were aware of that, but it seems to me of that, but it seems to me of that, but it seems to me people today aren't aware of the horror people today aren't aware of the horror people today aren't aware of the horror of global war in the way that they were of global war in the way that they were of global war in the way that they were then and and and that adds to the then and and and that adds to the then and and and that adds to the to the danger that we will immolate to the danger that we will immolate to the danger that we will immolate ourselves. ourselves. ourselves. I think a new approach to the nature of I think a new approach to the nature of I think a new approach to the nature of reality is really vital. I think we we reality is really vital. I think we we reality is really vital. I think we we need to begin to understand need to begin to understand need to begin to understand consciousness better.

consciousness better. consciousness better. Uh and what I would wish for the human Uh and what I would wish for the human Uh and what I would wish for the human species species species is that we understand we are actually is that we understand we are actually is that we understand we are actually all one. all one. all one. Incredibly diverse, Incredibly diverse, Incredibly diverse, full of creativity and differences, but full of creativity and differences, but full of creativity and differences, but but all one and a mother in the middle but all one and a mother in the middle but all one and a mother in the middle of sub-Saharan Africa and a mother in of sub-Saharan Africa and a mother in of sub-Saharan Africa and a mother in New York City, they love their kids in New York City, they love their kids in New York City, they love their kids in exactly the same way. exactly the same way. exactly the same way. They hope for their kids in exactly the They hope for their kids in exactly the They hope for their kids in exactly the same way. There's no difference between same way. There's no difference between same way. There's no difference between them at all. them at all. them at all. As long as we're as long as we're As long as we're as long as we're As long as we're as long as we're indoctrinated into this notion of indoctrinated into this notion of indoctrinated into this notion of divisive differences. I'm all in favor divisive differences. I'm all in favor divisive differences. I'm all in favor of differences between human beings. of differences between human beings. of differences between human beings. That's part of our creativity as our That's part of our creativity as our That's part of our creativity as our species, but divisive differences, species, but divisive differences, species, but divisive differences, that's what's going to kill us off. that's what's going to kill us off. that's what's going to kill us off. Uh and that's I think the message that Uh and that's I think the message that Uh and that's I think the message that comes down from the past, whether it's comes down from the past, whether it's comes down from the past, whether it's correct message or not, the message is correct message or not, the message is correct message or not, the message is we we we a former civilization a former civilization a former civilization made a terrible mistake and it resulted made a terrible mistake and it resulted made a terrible mistake and it resulted in a cataclysm that brought us down.

in a cataclysm that brought us down. in a cataclysm that brought us down. I think we need to realize that can I think we need to realize that can I think we need to realize that can happen again happen again happen again and that we are and that we are and that we are most likely to be the cause of that most likely to be the cause of that most likely to be the cause of that cataclysm ourselves. cataclysm ourselves. cataclysm ourselves. There may there may be a danger of There may there may be a danger of There may there may be a danger of further comet impacts. The Younger Dryas further comet impacts. The Younger Dryas further comet impacts. The Younger Dryas comet fragments, it's called the Taurid comet fragments, it's called the Taurid comet fragments, it's called the Taurid meteor stream. The Earth passes through meteor stream. The Earth passes through meteor stream. The Earth passes through it twice a year it twice a year it twice a year in June and in October-November. in June and in October-November. in June and in October-November. There are hundreds of deadly objects in There are hundreds of deadly objects in There are hundreds of deadly objects in the Taurid meteor stream. It could the Taurid meteor stream. It could the Taurid meteor stream. It could happen, but I think a much more likely happen, but I think a much more likely happen, but I think a much more likely way that we're going to way that we're going to way that we're going to bring our civilization bring our civilization bring our civilization back almost to the Stone Age back almost to the Stone Age back almost to the Stone Age is nuclear war. is nuclear war. is nuclear war. We're going to do it to ourselves. We're going to do it to ourselves. We're going to do it to ourselves. Unless we wake up, unless we Unless we wake up, unless we Unless we wake up, unless we become more conscious of what it is to become more conscious of what it is to become more conscious of what it is to be a human being, of the privilege and be a human being, of the privilege and be a human being, of the privilege and the gift of being a human being, and how the gift of being a human being, and how the gift of being a human being, and how that privilege and gift belongs to every that privilege and gift belongs to every that privilege and gift belongs to every human being, not just to us. human being, not just to us. human being, not just to us. Now, I don't know how that's going to be Now, I don't know how that's going to be Now, I don't know how that's going to be done. I I I do think psychedelics can done. I I I do think psychedelics can done. I I I do think psychedelics can play a role.

play a role. play a role. I've said many times, and I'll say it I've said many times, and I'll say it I've said many times, and I'll say it again, if I if I had the power to do so, again, if I if I had the power to do so, again, if I if I had the power to do so, I would insist that every world leader I would insist that every world leader I would insist that every world leader has at least has at least has at least at least a dozen sessions of ayahuasca at least a dozen sessions of ayahuasca at least a dozen sessions of ayahuasca before they even apply for the job. before they even apply for the job. before they even apply for the job. >> Because you believe that would give them >> Because you believe that would give them >> Because you believe that would give them the same feeling of oneness that the same feeling of oneness that the same feeling of oneness that >> I think most of them wouldn't apply for >> I think most of them wouldn't apply for >> I think most of them wouldn't apply for the job at all. the job at all. the job at all. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> And those who did would would probably >> And those who did would would probably >> And those who did would would probably do a much better job. do a much better job. do a much better job. >> Hm. >> Hm. >> Hm. >> Because they'd understand themselves >> Because they'd understand themselves >> Because they'd understand themselves better. better. better. >> Graham, what is the most important thing >> Graham, what is the most important thing >> Graham, what is the most important thing we haven't discussed as it relates to we haven't discussed as it relates to we haven't discussed as it relates to our past and what it might teach us or our past and what it might teach us or our past and what it might teach us or you know, how it might inform how we you know, how it might inform how we you know, how it might inform how we choose to live our lives today choose to live our lives today choose to live our lives today and that we haven't discussed? and that we haven't discussed? and that we haven't discussed? >> Look, the most important thing as far as >> Look, the most important thing as far as >> Look, the most important thing as far as far as I'm concerned is independent far as I'm concerned is independent far as I'm concerned is independent inquiry. inquiry. inquiry. We need to start thinking for ourselves, We need to start thinking for ourselves, We need to start thinking for ourselves, and that's true of the past and it's and that's true of the past and it's and that's true of the past and it's true of everything else. true of everything else. true of everything else. To the to the extent that I that I do To the to the extent that I that I do To the to the extent that I that I do get positive feedback from young people, get positive feedback from young people, get positive feedback from young people, and I do and I do and I do a lot, that feedback is a lot, that feedback is a lot, that feedback is thank you for being an example to thank you for being an example to thank you for being an example to question everything.

question everything. question everything. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It happens that what I'm questioning is >> It happens that what I'm questioning is >> It happens that what I'm questioning is the past, but that can be a model for the past, but that can be a model for the past, but that can be a model for questioning everything. I I feel that questioning everything. I I feel that questioning everything. I I feel that that that that very poor journalism very poor journalism very poor journalism being used to smear my name because I being used to smear my name because I being used to smear my name because I asked questions and because I asked them asked questions and because I asked them asked questions and because I asked them vigorously vigorously vigorously and because most important of all I and because most important of all I and because most important of all I reached a large audience. reached a large audience. reached a large audience. That's it, really. They won't smear That's it, really. They won't smear That's it, really. They won't smear smear your name if you don't reach a smear your name if you don't reach a smear your name if you don't reach a large audience. You're not worth their large audience. You're not worth their large audience. You're not worth their trouble. trouble. trouble. >> I know the feeling. >> I know the feeling. >> I know the feeling. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I think you do. But you know, for me >> But I think you do. But you know, for me >> But I think you do. But you know, for me my thing has always been that um my thing has always been that um my thing has always been that um all it's done is made me clearer, like, all it's done is made me clearer, like, all it's done is made me clearer, like, you know, you have a bigger platform, you know, you have a bigger platform, you know, you have a bigger platform, more people um watching you, etc., and more people um watching you, etc., and more people um watching you, etc., and talking about you. All it's done for me talking about you. All it's done for me talking about you. All it's done for me is made me clearer on my principles and is made me clearer on my principles and is made me clearer on my principles and what I believe. what I believe. what I believe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I'm actually really thankful for >> And I'm actually really thankful for >> And I'm actually really thankful for that in a weird way. that in a weird way. that in a weird way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because you're forced to, you know, when >> Because you're forced to, you know, when >> Because you're forced to, you know, when you hear so many things said about said you hear so many things said about said you hear so many things said about said about you, written about you, whatever, about you, written about you, whatever, about you, written about you, whatever, it does focus one's mind like, like, who it does focus one's mind like, like, who it does focus one's mind like, like, who am I? am I? am I? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And what matters? What am I Where am I >> And what matters? What am I Where am I >> And what matters? What am I Where am I uncompromising in terms of the uncompromising in terms of the uncompromising in terms of the conversations I want to have, the way I conversations I want to have, the way I conversations I want to have, the way I want to do it? And that's given me a want to do it? And that's given me a want to do it? And that's given me a huge amount of clarity. And one of the huge amount of clarity. And one of the huge amount of clarity. And one of the things that I'm really I really want to things that I'm really I really want to things that I'm really I really want to make sure is that it doesn't make me um make sure is that it doesn't make me um make sure is that it doesn't make me um bitter or resentful in any way.

bitter or resentful in any way. bitter or resentful in any way. >> And you can see how it happens. >> And you can see how it happens. >> And you can see how it happens. >> Yeah, I can I can absolutely see how it >> Yeah, I can I can absolutely see how it >> Yeah, I can I can absolutely see how it happens. happens. happens. >> Cuz you you have to live with this with >> Cuz you you have to live with this with >> Cuz you you have to live with this with with um with um with um injustice potentially or being injustice potentially or being injustice potentially or being mischaracterized or whatever, so mischaracterized or whatever, so mischaracterized or whatever, so it's easy to see how one can slip off it's easy to see how one can slip off it's easy to see how one can slip off into bitterness and resentment and to into bitterness and resentment and to into bitterness and resentment and to >> That's a That's a big part of the work >> That's a That's a big part of the work >> That's a That's a big part of the work I'm doing on myself at the moment. I I'm I'm doing on myself at the moment. I I'm I'm doing on myself at the moment. I I'm confident that I am doing the right confident that I am doing the right confident that I am doing the right thing with my life. I'm doing no harm to thing with my life. I'm doing no harm to thing with my life. I'm doing no harm to anyone anyone anyone and I'm putting ideas out there that are and I'm putting ideas out there that are and I'm putting ideas out there that are worth thinking about. I'm confident of worth thinking about. I'm confident of worth thinking about. I'm confident of that. I have no I have no doubts about that. I have no I have no doubts about that. I have no I have no doubts about that. that. that. >> And what will you care about on your on >> And what will you care about on your on >> And what will you care about on your on your last day? your last day? your last day? >> Most of all >> Most of all >> Most of all the love of my family. the love of my family. the love of my family. That's the most important thing to me. That's the most important thing to me. That's the most important thing to me. And um And um And um I don't know. The feeling that I did my best. I did my best. I did the best I could to I did the best I could to I did the best I could to carry out the task that uh fell upon me carry out the task that uh fell upon me carry out the task that uh fell upon me quite by accident. I didn't I was a quite by accident. I didn't I was a quite by accident. I didn't I was a current affairs journalist in the 1980s. current affairs journalist in the 1980s. current affairs journalist in the 1980s. I had no idea I was going to go down I had no idea I was going to go down I had no idea I was going to go down this rabbit hole into the ancient world.

this rabbit hole into the ancient world. this rabbit hole into the ancient world. It was a series of accidents that led to It was a series of accidents that led to It was a series of accidents that led to it. But having gone down it, I feel very it. But having gone down it, I feel very it. But having gone down it, I feel very very very committed to it. very very committed to it. very very committed to it. >> It's interesting cuz well one of the >> It's interesting cuz well one of the >> It's interesting cuz well one of the ways that I um I've always chosen to ways that I um I've always chosen to ways that I um I've always chosen to conduct my interviews is just to um conduct my interviews is just to um conduct my interviews is just to um touch people as I find them. I remember touch people as I find them. I remember touch people as I find them. I remember once upon a time I had Brian Johnson once upon a time I had Brian Johnson once upon a time I had Brian Johnson coming on my podcast and you know, he's coming on my podcast and you know, he's coming on my podcast and you know, he's quite a he's a he has some radical quite a he's a he has some radical quite a he's a he has some radical beliefs about living forever etc. He's beliefs about living forever etc. He's beliefs about living forever etc. He's the longevity guy. [clears throat] And I the longevity guy. [clears throat] And I the longevity guy. [clears throat] And I remember one of my team members walking remember one of my team members walking remember one of my team members walking up to me beforehand and saying before he up to me beforehand and saying before he up to me beforehand and saying before he had arrived and saying, "What do you had arrived and saying, "What do you had arrived and saying, "What do you think of him?" And I remember saying, think of him?" And I remember saying, think of him?" And I remember saying, "I've no idea. I've not met him yet." "I've no idea. I've not met him yet." "I've no idea. I've not met him yet." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then I sat down with him, had this >> And then I sat down with him, had this >> And then I sat down with him, had this interview, and he said this thing to me interview, and he said this thing to me interview, and he said this thing to me at the end of the interview where he at the end of the interview where he at the end of the interview where he goes, "Thank you." And I go, "What do goes, "Thank you." And I go, "What do goes, "Thank you." And I go, "What do you mean?" He goes, "Thank you." you mean?" He goes, "Thank you." you mean?" He goes, "Thank you." >> This is the first time I've done an >> This is the first time I've done an >> This is the first time I've done an interview in my life where the interview in my life where the interview in my life where the interviewer had like no preconceptions interviewer had like no preconceptions interviewer had like no preconceptions of me. And he goes, "That meant that I of me. And he goes, "That meant that I of me. And he goes, "That meant that I was relaxed and able to be myself and was relaxed and able to be myself and was relaxed and able to be myself and blah blah blah." And I And I say that blah blah blah." And I And I say that blah blah blah." And I And I say that because because because my opinion of you is someone who is my opinion of you is someone who is my opinion of you is someone who is really curious about about humanity and really curious about about humanity and really curious about about humanity and has this interesting idea that is really has this interesting idea that is really has this interesting idea that is really expansive for one's mind about what expansive for one's mind about what expansive for one's mind about what could have happened. And um I again the could have happened. And um I again the could have happened. And um I again the net benefit for me of that is just net benefit for me of that is just net benefit for me of that is just expanding my mind in a way that makes me expanding my mind in a way that makes me expanding my mind in a way that makes me empathetic to other people.

empathetic to other people. empathetic to other people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Makes me feel like me and you aren't >> Makes me feel like me and you aren't >> Makes me feel like me and you aren't different. different. different. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like I've not I've met you today, but >> Like I've not I've met you today, but >> Like I've not I've met you today, but we're probably you know, we we we go we're probably you know, we we we go we're probably you know, we we we go back a long way. Maybe consciously we're back a long way. Maybe consciously we're back a long way. Maybe consciously we're the same, but the same, but the same, but >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> in our history and our lineage we are we >> in our history and our lineage we are we >> in our history and our lineage we are we are one of the same. And um it also are one of the same. And um it also are one of the same. And um it also gives me a huge amount of respect for gives me a huge amount of respect for gives me a huge amount of respect for other living things including my other living things including my other living things including my ancestors. ancestors. ancestors. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> In a way that you kind of think of your >> In a way that you kind of think of your >> In a way that you kind of think of your ancestors as these like monkeys that ancestors as these like monkeys that ancestors as these like monkeys that lived in trees potentially. lived in trees potentially. lived in trees potentially. But actually hearing some of these But actually hearing some of these But actually hearing some of these stories makes me go, "Oh my gosh." And stories makes me go, "Oh my gosh." And stories makes me go, "Oh my gosh." And actually it gives me a huge sense of actually it gives me a huge sense of actually it gives me a huge sense of responsibility responsibility responsibility to leave this planet and this earth in a to leave this planet and this earth in a to leave this planet and this earth in a way that's going to be good for, way that's going to be good for, way that's going to be good for, you know, the future the future kids you know, the future the future kids you know, the future the future kids that will live 20,000 years from now in that will live 20,000 years from now in that will live 20,000 years from now in the future and that will probably look the future and that will probably look the future and that will probably look at our um fossil records and wonder. at our um fossil records and wonder. at our um fossil records and wonder. >> I think I think those of us who have a a >> I think I think those of us who have a a >> I think I think those of us who have a a platform do have a responsibility. platform do have a responsibility. platform do have a responsibility. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Very [clears throat] very definitely. I >> Very [clears throat] very definitely. I >> Very [clears throat] very definitely. I mean, we're living in this strange new mean, we're living in this strange new mean, we're living in this strange new world. This this this this this world world. This this this this this world world. This this this this this world was inconceivable even in the beginning was inconceivable even in the beginning was inconceivable even in the beginning of the 1990s. of the 1990s. of the 1990s. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> This this [clears throat] this this >> This this [clears throat] this this >> This this [clears throat] this this world of communication that we live in world of communication that we live in world of communication that we live in now. And there's no doubt that that um now. And there's no doubt that that um now. And there's no doubt that that um this is where influence this is where influence this is where influence can be applied. And and can be applied. And and can be applied. And and if that influence is if that influence is if that influence is encouraging all that's good in the human encouraging all that's good in the human encouraging all that's good in the human race, then that's really great. That's a race, then that's really great. That's a race, then that's really great. That's a wonderful thing. And if it's encouraging wonderful thing. And if it's encouraging wonderful thing. And if it's encouraging all that's dark and negative and cruel all that's dark and negative and cruel all that's dark and negative and cruel and unkind and vicious in the human and unkind and vicious in the human and unkind and vicious in the human race, cuz that's also out there on the race, cuz that's also out there on the race, cuz that's also out there on the internet, then it's not so good.

internet, then it's not so good. internet, then it's not so good. >> We have a um >> We have a um >> We have a um closing tradition on this show where the closing tradition on this show where the closing tradition on this show where the last guest leaves the question for the last guest leaves the question for the last guest leaves the question for the next, not knowing who they're leaving it next, not knowing who they're leaving it next, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question left for you is, for. And the question left for you is, for. And the question left for you is, is there a danger of us sleepwalking is there a danger of us sleepwalking is there a danger of us sleepwalking into worshipping a machine god? >> Do you want me to answer that question? >> Do you want me to answer that question? Yes, we're already worshipping a machine Yes, we're already worshipping a machine Yes, we're already worshipping a machine god. As I said earlier in our god. As I said earlier in our god. As I said earlier in our discussion, discussion, discussion, uh in the minds of many, uh in the minds of many, uh in the minds of many, science has already been elevated to science has already been elevated to science has already been elevated to occupy the space that was once occupied occupy the space that was once occupied occupy the space that was once occupied by religions. by religions. by religions. That is a belief in a machine That is a belief in a machine That is a belief in a machine fundamentally that's taking place there. fundamentally that's taking place there. fundamentally that's taking place there. Science should be seen as a tool, one Science should be seen as a tool, one Science should be seen as a tool, one amongst many tools that we as human amongst many tools that we as human amongst many tools that we as human beings have at our disposal. It should beings have at our disposal. It should beings have at our disposal. It should never be the only tool, and it should never be the only tool, and it should never be the only tool, and it should never be worshipped. I don't ever want never be worshipped. I don't ever want never be worshipped. I don't ever want to hear the words, "Trust the science." to hear the words, "Trust the science." to hear the words, "Trust the science." The words for me are, "Investigate the The words for me are, "Investigate the The words for me are, "Investigate the science. See whether it's right for you science. See whether it's right for you science. See whether it's right for you or not. See what else is available in or not. See what else is available in or not. See what else is available in the in the in the situation. Don't just the in the in the situation. Don't just the in the in the situation. Don't just routinely, without thought, without routinely, without thought, without routinely, without thought, without question, trust the science. Don't do question, trust the science. Don't do question, trust the science. Don't do that. That's That's betraying science as that. That's That's betraying science as that. That's That's betraying science as well.

well. well. One of fundamental ethics of science is One of fundamental ethics of science is One of fundamental ethics of science is not to trust the science. It's to not to trust the science. It's to not to trust the science. It's to question question question and challenge the science. That's what and challenge the science. That's what and challenge the science. That's what we should be doing with the science. And we should be doing with the science. And we should be doing with the science. And yes, we are in danger of creating a kind yes, we are in danger of creating a kind yes, we are in danger of creating a kind of of of multi-dimensional machine which reaches multi-dimensional machine which reaches multi-dimensional machine which reaches into all aspects of human consciousness into all aspects of human consciousness into all aspects of human consciousness and and controls us, yeah. and and controls us, yeah. and and controls us, yeah. We've got to stop worshipping science. We've got to stop worshipping science. We've got to stop worshipping science. That's for sure. We've got to That's for sure. We've got to That's for sure. We've got to put it in its rightful place as an put it in its rightful place as an put it in its rightful place as an incredibly valuable tool which which can incredibly valuable tool which which can incredibly valuable tool which which can do great things for human beings, but do great things for human beings, but do great things for human beings, but which can also do terrible harm and which can also do terrible harm and which can also do terrible harm and damage. damage. damage. >> Because when we trust science, there's >> Because when we trust science, there's >> Because when we trust science, there's something we stop listening to? something we stop listening to? something we stop listening to? >> Well, when you put your trust in >> Well, when you put your trust in >> Well, when you put your trust in anything, you better have good reason to anything, you better have good reason to anything, you better have good reason to put your trust in it. put your trust in it. put your trust in it. If I If I'm going to trust another human If I If I'm going to trust another human If I If I'm going to trust another human being being being with my life, I I really want to know with my life, I I really want to know with my life, I I really want to know that I can trust that person. I'm I'm that I can trust that person. I'm I'm that I can trust that person. I'm I'm not just going to say not just going to say not just going to say Oh, you're a doctor, so I trust you. No, Oh, you're a doctor, so I trust you. No, Oh, you're a doctor, so I trust you. No, it's not That's not enough. I want to it's not That's not enough. I want to it's not That's not enough. I want to know more about that doctor. And uh in know more about that doctor. And uh in know more about that doctor. And uh in in in indeed I have pursued that just in in indeed I have pursued that just in in indeed I have pursued that just recently.

recently. recently. Science is great. Science is really Science is great. Science is really Science is great. Science is really useful, but we're not useful, but we're not useful, but we're not we're not being what we should be. We're we're not being what we should be. We're we're not being what we should be. We're not not not living up to the potential that the living up to the potential that the living up to the potential that the universe gave us if we just go around universe gave us if we just go around universe gave us if we just go around trusting everything all the time. We're trusting everything all the time. We're trusting everything all the time. We're here to ask questions. That's what we here to ask questions. That's what we here to ask questions. That's what we got these enormous brains for and this got these enormous brains for and this got these enormous brains for and this incredible connectivity is to ask incredible connectivity is to ask incredible connectivity is to ask questions. Anybody who says don't ask questions. Anybody who says don't ask questions. Anybody who says don't ask questions is doing a great deal of harm. questions is doing a great deal of harm. questions is doing a great deal of harm. >> Well, I hope my audience are very >> Well, I hope my audience are very >> Well, I hope my audience are very curious. Um and I think they must be by curious. Um and I think they must be by curious. Um and I think they must be by now if they're still hanging around on now if they're still hanging around on now if they're still hanging around on this platform because we've had lots of this platform because we've had lots of this platform because we've had lots of very curious conversations and hopefully very curious conversations and hopefully very curious conversations and hopefully expansive. I We have this acronym DAC expansive. I We have this acronym DAC expansive. I We have this acronym DAC obviously it for Darvo CEO, but also we obviously it for Darvo CEO, but also we obviously it for Darvo CEO, but also we think of it as like think of it as like think of it as like being for dreamers and open-minded being for dreamers and open-minded being for dreamers and open-minded people, which is the O, and that the A people, which is the O, and that the A people, which is the O, and that the A being about expanding awareness, and the being about expanding awareness, and the being about expanding awareness, and the C really being about feeling more C really being about feeling more C really being about feeling more connected. connected. connected. >> Brilliant. >> Brilliant. >> Brilliant. >> Like hearing your story and about your >> Like hearing your story and about your >> Like hearing your story and about your your partner and your journey and your your partner and your journey and your your partner and your journey and your parents all makes me all, you know, I parents all makes me all, you know, I parents all makes me all, you know, I think if there's it makes us like think if there's it makes us like think if there's it makes us like spiritually connected in a way that's spiritually connected in a way that's spiritually connected in a way that's >> increasingly rare. If people want to >> increasingly rare. If people want to >> increasingly rare. If people want to learn and read more from you, Graham, learn and read more from you, Graham, learn and read more from you, Graham, where do they go?

where do they go? where do they go? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I mean, you've written so many wonderful >> I mean, you've written so many wonderful >> I mean, you've written so many wonderful books. You've got another one on the books. You've got another one on the books. You've got another one on the way. way. way. >> I have another >> I have another >> I have another >> all of these books you've written and >> all of these books you've written and >> all of these books you've written and the others that aren't here below. the others that aren't here below. the others that aren't here below. >> Okay. Um um very briefly, the the >> Okay. Um um very briefly, the the >> Okay. Um um very briefly, the the the book that put me on the map was the book that put me on the map was the book that put me on the map was Fingerprints of the Gods. Fingerprints of the Gods. Fingerprints of the Gods. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's the book where I really >> And that's the book where I really >> And that's the book where I really investigate begin to investigate the investigate begin to investigate the investigate begin to investigate the possibility of a lost civilization. possibility of a lost civilization. possibility of a lost civilization. Before that came The Sign and the Seal, Before that came The Sign and the Seal, Before that came The Sign and the Seal, which was which was about Ethiopia's which was which was about Ethiopia's which was which was about Ethiopia's claim to possess the lost Ark of the claim to possess the lost Ark of the claim to possess the lost Ark of the Covenant. It happened that as a reporter Covenant. It happened that as a reporter Covenant. It happened that as a reporter in the 1980s, I spent a lot of time in in the 1980s, I spent a lot of time in in the 1980s, I spent a lot of time in Ethiopia, and I came across this Ethiopia, and I came across this Ethiopia, and I came across this tradition, which is fundamental to tradition, which is fundamental to tradition, which is fundamental to all religious life in Ethiopia. Uh and all religious life in Ethiopia. Uh and all religious life in Ethiopia. Uh and and um ended up writing a book about it and um ended up writing a book about it and um ended up writing a book about it that that that put me on the track of a lost put me on the track of a lost put me on the track of a lost civilization, led to Fingerprints of the civilization, led to Fingerprints of the civilization, led to Fingerprints of the Gods. Gods. Gods. Then, after Fingerprints of the Gods, Then, after Fingerprints of the Gods, Then, after Fingerprints of the Gods, there's a book that's not here, which is there's a book that's not here, which is there's a book that's not here, which is Keeper of Genesis, that I wrote with Keeper of Genesis, that I wrote with Keeper of Genesis, that I wrote with Robert Bauval. Underworld. This was 7 Robert Bauval. Underworld. This was 7 Robert Bauval. Underworld. This was 7 years of scuba diving that Santha and I years of scuba diving that Santha and I years of scuba diving that Santha and I did all around the world following up did all around the world following up did all around the world following up tips from local fishermen, local divers.

tips from local fishermen, local divers. tips from local fishermen, local divers. They'd seen something interesting, They'd seen something interesting, They'd seen something interesting, something that looked man-made at a something that looked man-made at a something that looked man-made at a depth of 30 m just offshore there, and depth of 30 m just offshore there, and depth of 30 m just offshore there, and they would take us and we would find it. they would take us and we would find it. they would take us and we would find it. Uh so, Underworld is about all those Uh so, Underworld is about all those Uh so, Underworld is about all those flooded continental shelves, 27 million flooded continental shelves, 27 million flooded continental shelves, 27 million square kilometers of continental shelf square kilometers of continental shelf square kilometers of continental shelf were flooded at the end of the ice age. were flooded at the end of the ice age. were flooded at the end of the ice age. That's 27 million square kilometers. That's 27 million square kilometers. That's 27 million square kilometers. That's Europe and China and a bit more That's Europe and China and a bit more That's Europe and China and a bit more combined. Uh were the best real estate combined. Uh were the best real estate combined. Uh were the best real estate on Earth on Earth on Earth uh 20,000 years ago and are all uh 20,000 years ago and are all uh 20,000 years ago and are all underwater today. underwater today. underwater today. >> And and there's signs that there was >> And and there's signs that there was >> And and there's signs that there was life there. life there. life there. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Civilizations though? >> Civilizations though? >> Civilizations though? >> Yeah. Well, there Well, we found very >> Yeah. Well, there Well, we found very >> Yeah. Well, there Well, we found very large structures underwater. large structures underwater. large structures underwater. Um so, that's that's uh Underworld. Um so, that's that's uh Underworld. Um so, that's that's uh Underworld. Then, after Underworld, I wrote Then, after Underworld, I wrote Then, after Underworld, I wrote Supernatural, which is that one there. Supernatural, which is that one there. Supernatural, which is that one there. Which has been reissued in America under Which has been reissued in America under Which has been reissued in America under the title Visionary. And that's where I the title Visionary. And that's where I the title Visionary. And that's where I went deep into the shamanistic went deep into the shamanistic went deep into the shamanistic medicines, the the ayahuasca, medicines, the the ayahuasca, medicines, the the ayahuasca, psilocybin, the and and the whole notion psilocybin, the and and the whole notion psilocybin, the and and the whole notion that cave art, the art that we see in that cave art, the art that we see in that cave art, the art that we see in the painted caves, the painted caves, the painted caves, is is is an art of visions. That this is shamans an art of visions. That this is shamans an art of visions. That this is shamans who had entered deeply altered states of who had entered deeply altered states of who had entered deeply altered states of consciousness. They'd remembered what consciousness. They'd remembered what consciousness. They'd remembered what they'd seen. And when they came back to they'd seen. And when they came back to they'd seen. And when they came back to the everyday state of consciousness, the everyday state of consciousness, the everyday state of consciousness, they painted their visions in caves.

they painted their visions in caves. they painted their visions in caves. It's the best explanation for cave art It's the best explanation for cave art It's the best explanation for cave art and why cave art is so similar all and why cave art is so similar all and why cave art is so similar all around the world. And so similar to the around the world. And so similar to the around the world. And so similar to the visions of ayahuasca shamans to this visions of ayahuasca shamans to this visions of ayahuasca shamans to this day. day. day. >> Graham, thank you so much for all that >> Graham, thank you so much for all that >> Graham, thank you so much for all that you do. I I won't repeat every all the you do. I I won't repeat every all the you do. I I won't repeat every all the reasons why, but you've you've blown my reasons why, but you've you've blown my reasons why, but you've you've blown my mind open in a way that's just driven mind open in a way that's just driven mind open in a way that's just driven curiosity. And I think that's maybe curiosity. And I think that's maybe curiosity. And I think that's maybe the start of all inquiries deep the start of all inquiries deep the start of all inquiries deep curiosity, and that's what you've done curiosity, and that's what you've done curiosity, and that's what you've done for not just myself, but the hundreds of for not just myself, but the hundreds of for not just myself, but the hundreds of millions of people that have watched you millions of people that have watched you millions of people that have watched you over the years um all over the world. over the years um all over the world. over the years um all over the world. And I hope long may it continue, and And I hope long may it continue, and And I hope long may it continue, and good luck with your heart operation. And good luck with your heart operation. And good luck with your heart operation. And hopefully we'll be back again to hopefully we'll be back again to hopefully we'll be back again to continue this conversation soon. continue this conversation soon. continue this conversation soon. >> Absolutely. Thank you very much. >> Absolutely. Thank you very much. >> Absolutely. Thank you very much. >> it. Thank you so >> it. Thank you so >> it. Thank you so >> Really good to be here. >> Really good to be here. >> Really good to be here. >> Thank you so much. That was brilliant. >> Thank you so much. That was brilliant. >> Thank you so much. That was brilliant. YouTube have this new crazy algorithm YouTube have this new crazy algorithm YouTube have this new crazy algorithm where they know exactly what video you where they know exactly what video you where they know exactly what video you would like to watch next based on AI and would like to watch next based on AI and would like to watch next based on AI and all of your viewing behavior. And the all of your viewing behavior. And the all of your viewing behavior. And the algorithm says that this video is the algorithm says that this video is the algorithm says that this video is the perfect video for you. It's different perfect video for you. It's different perfect video for you. It's different for everybody looking right now. Check for everybody looking right now. Check for everybody looking right now. Check this video out. I bet you you might love this video out. I bet you you might love this video out. I bet you you might love it.