WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Dustin Poirier: "I Deleted Social Media After The Incident

I've had bouts with depression I've had bouts with depression throughout my career, but man, when it throughout my career, but man, when it throughout my career, but man, when it hits me, it's bad. hits me, it's bad. hits me, it's bad. >> Which kind of brings us to the airport >> Which kind of brings us to the airport >> Which kind of brings us to the airport incident? You know, I really messed up, incident? You know, I really messed up, incident? You know, I really messed up, man. man. man. >> You and her and her. >> You and her and her. >> You and her and her. >> Look what happened. >> Look what happened. >> Look what happened. >> So, it's Father's Day and I felt good in >> So, it's Father's Day and I felt good in >> So, it's Father's Day and I felt good in the morning. I spent the morning with my the morning. I spent the morning with my the morning. I spent the morning with my kids, but then as I was traveling to kids, but then as I was traveling to kids, but then as I was traveling to work, I felt that feeling again. It's work, I felt that feeling again. It's work, I felt that feeling again. It's like a cloud in my head that I just like a cloud in my head that I just like a cloud in my head that I just can't get out from under. So, I started can't get out from under. So, I started can't get out from under. So, I started drinking. drinking. drinking. >> I'll fight you right now. >> I'll fight you right now. >> I'll fight you right now. >> No, I don't want to fight, bro. >> No, I don't want to fight, bro. >> No, I don't want to fight, bro. >> And my emotions got the best of me. >> And my emotions got the best of me. >> And my emotions got the best of me. >> Bro, relax. Relax. Relax, bro. Relax. >> Bro, relax. Relax. Relax, bro. Relax. >> Bro, relax. Relax. Relax, bro. Relax. got arrested. got arrested. got arrested. >> This guy's a UFC. >> This guy's a UFC. >> This guy's a UFC. >> Did I just ruin everything that I was >> Did I just ruin everything that I was >> Did I just ruin everything that I was working for? You know, I don't know yet. working for? You know, I don't know yet. working for? You know, I don't know yet. And it could have been so much worse. And it could have been so much worse. And it could have been so much worse. >> What was going on in your mind? >> What was going on in your mind? >> What was going on in your mind? >> I was angry at the world and I just >> I was angry at the world and I just >> I was angry at the world and I just couldn't stop thinking about my father. couldn't stop thinking about my father. couldn't stop thinking about my father. You know, he's actually homeless right You know, he's actually homeless right You know, he's actually homeless right now. And I tried to help him out and now. And I tried to help him out and now. And I tried to help him out and he's back out on the street. Not that he's back out on the street. Not that he's back out on the street. Not that anything's an excuse, but it wasn't anything's an excuse, but it wasn't anything's an excuse, but it wasn't myself. And I never really spoke about myself. And I never really spoke about myself. And I never really spoke about it until right now, but I'm back in it until right now, but I'm back in it until right now, but I'm back in therapy. And when you sit down with therapy. And when you sit down with therapy. And when you sit down with somebody and start opening things up, somebody and start opening things up, somebody and start opening things up, you realize this could be linked to my you realize this could be linked to my you realize this could be linked to my childhood. childhood. childhood. >> And when I think about your earliest >> And when I think about your earliest >> And when I think about your earliest contacts, you got a father that's an contacts, you got a father that's an contacts, you got a father that's an alcoholic, violence in the home, and alcoholic, violence in the home, and alcoholic, violence in the home, and your mom said that you were an alcoholic your mom said that you were an alcoholic your mom said that you were an alcoholic kid.

kid. kid. >> I started drinking at 12, 13, >> I started drinking at 12, 13, >> I started drinking at 12, 13, >> expelled from school as well. >> expelled from school as well. >> expelled from school as well. >> And you got arrested and I didn't have >> And you got arrested and I didn't have >> And you got arrested and I didn't have any goals. any goals. any goals. >> So, it was a bit of a roller coaster, >> So, it was a bit of a roller coaster, >> So, it was a bit of a roller coaster, but look what happened. You rose, >> one of the best lightweights in the >> one of the best lightweights in the world. world. world. >> I was on top of the world, but the >> I was on top of the world, but the >> I was on top of the world, but the roller coasters go down too. And this roller coasters go down too. And this roller coasters go down too. And this was the moment. was the moment. was the moment. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> July 30th, you retired. How does it feel >> July 30th, you retired. How does it feel >> July 30th, you retired. How does it feel looking at that photo? looking at that photo? looking at that photo? >> Yeah. I'm trying not to tear up, dude. >> Yeah. I'm trying not to tear up, dude. >> Yeah. I'm trying not to tear up, dude. It was my life, man. Those gloves, me It was my life, man. Those gloves, me It was my life, man. Those gloves, me putting them on the mat is a piece of putting them on the mat is a piece of putting them on the mat is a piece of myself I left. But a wise man said, "If myself I left. But a wise man said, "If myself I left. But a wise man said, "If a man's lucky, he gets to die twice." a man's lucky, he gets to die twice." a man's lucky, he gets to die twice." That part of me that every day wake up, That part of me that every day wake up, That part of me that every day wake up, push yourself to be the best fighter you push yourself to be the best fighter you push yourself to be the best fighter you can be, is dead. I'm retired Dustin. I'm can be, is dead. I'm retired Dustin. I'm can be, is dead. I'm retired Dustin. I'm businessman Dustin. Now, you know, it's businessman Dustin. Now, you know, it's businessman Dustin. Now, you know, it's just I'm trying to figure it all out cuz just I'm trying to figure it all out cuz just I'm trying to figure it all out cuz for 20 years I was dreaming about being for 20 years I was dreaming about being for 20 years I was dreaming about being the best. I just want to dream again, the best. I just want to dream again, the best. I just want to dream again, you know. you know. you know. >> Has there ever been anything that >> Has there ever been anything that >> Has there ever been anything that compared? compared? compared? >> No. Nothing fills that void of what >> No. Nothing fills that void of what >> No. Nothing fills that void of what fighting was. And fighting was a part of fighting was. And fighting was a part of fighting was. And fighting was a part of therapy for me. And some days I wake up therapy for me. And some days I wake up therapy for me. And some days I wake up and I'm like, these top guys that are and I'm like, these top guys that are and I'm like, these top guys that are winning now on these upcoming cards, I winning now on these upcoming cards, I winning now on these upcoming cards, I can beat them still. can beat them still. can beat them still. >> So, is there any possibility that you >> So, is there any possibility that you >> So, is there any possibility that you ever return to the UFC?

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answer. answer. How are you doing >> as a whole? Great. >> as a whole? Great. Uh recently Uh recently Uh recently there's been some turbulence, you know. there's been some turbulence, you know. there's been some turbulence, you know. Uh but I'm I'm doing well. Doing well. Uh but I'm I'm doing well. Doing well. Uh but I'm I'm doing well. Doing well. >> There's been some turbulence. >> There's been some turbulence. >> There's been some turbulence. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Give me some color on that. Give me some color on that. Give me some color on that. I I I last week, last week, last week, which is not new to me, let my emotions which is not new to me, let my emotions which is not new to me, let my emotions get the best of me. Kind of was in a in get the best of me. Kind of was in a in get the best of me. Kind of was in a in a bad spot. uh mentally started a bad spot. uh mentally started a bad spot. uh mentally started drinking, got arrested, you know, um got drinking, got arrested, you know, um got drinking, got arrested, you know, um got into some trouble at the airport in into some trouble at the airport in into some trouble at the airport in Atlanta and uh you know, not proud of Atlanta and uh you know, not proud of Atlanta and uh you know, not proud of it, but it is what it is. it, but it is what it is. it, but it is what it is. >> I want to um give some background >> I want to um give some background >> I want to um give some background context and I spent the last couple of context and I spent the last couple of context and I spent the last couple of days sort of looking through your days sort of looking through your days sort of looking through your childhood and where you come from and childhood and where you come from and childhood and where you come from and who you are to try and fill the picture who you are to try and fill the picture who you are to try and fill the picture of Dustin Porier in my head. And I've of Dustin Porier in my head. And I've of Dustin Porier in my head. And I've got lots of photos of you here as a as a got lots of photos of you here as a as a got lots of photos of you here as a as a young man. Um, got another one even young man. Um, got another one even young man. Um, got another one even younger here that I'll share with you younger here that I'll share with you younger here that I'll share with you here.

here. here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think this is incredibly important >> And I think this is incredibly important >> And I think this is incredibly important context because I'd watched you fight context because I'd watched you fight context because I'd watched you fight the best that there is and beat the best the best that there is and beat the best the best that there is and beat the best that there is in the UFC. But it wasn't that there is in the UFC. But it wasn't that there is in the UFC. But it wasn't until I understood your earliest context until I understood your earliest context until I understood your earliest context that I started to like understand the that I started to like understand the that I started to like understand the picture of where you've come from and picture of where you've come from and picture of where you've come from and also in some part like how that makes also in some part like how that makes also in some part like how that makes you who you are today. you who you are today. you who you are today. >> So, so take me back. What is the early >> So, so take me back. What is the early >> So, so take me back. What is the early context that people need to understand context that people need to understand context that people need to understand to really understand you as a man? to really understand you as a man? to really understand you as a man? >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, I'm just a man. Uh, trying his best, I'm just a man. Uh, trying his best, I'm just a man. Uh, trying his best, trying to provide for my family, trying to provide for my family, trying to provide for my family, learning as I go, learning as I go, learning as I go, not scared to work hard, not scared to not scared to work hard, not scared to not scared to work hard, not scared to chase dreams. Just a kid from Lafayette, chase dreams. Just a kid from Lafayette, chase dreams. Just a kid from Lafayette, Louisiana, who found something to put Louisiana, who found something to put Louisiana, who found something to put his all into and and try to become great his all into and and try to become great his all into and and try to become great at it, you know, with fighting. at it, you know, with fighting. at it, you know, with fighting. >> Your your father and your grandfather >> Your your father and your grandfather >> Your your father and your grandfather were fighters. My father boxed um were fighters. My father boxed um were fighters. My father boxed um growing up when he was younger. My growing up when he was younger. My growing up when he was younger. My grandfather was in the Navy and worked grandfather was in the Navy and worked grandfather was in the Navy and worked in the oil field and stuff. They weren't in the oil field and stuff. They weren't in the oil field and stuff. They weren't successful fighters. I wouldn't say they successful fighters. I wouldn't say they successful fighters. I wouldn't say they were like nobody knew who they were, but were like nobody knew who they were, but were like nobody knew who they were, but definitely Yeah, I come from fighters definitely Yeah, I come from fighters definitely Yeah, I come from fighters for sure.

for sure. for sure. >> And from money? Do you come from money? >> And from money? Do you come from money? >> And from money? Do you come from money? >> No, definitely not. >> No, definitely not. >> No, definitely not. >> What was that like growing up? Was there >> What was that like growing up? Was there >> What was that like growing up? Was there >> It was normal to me cuz I didn't know >> It was normal to me cuz I didn't know >> It was normal to me cuz I didn't know any different, you know. Um, it wasn't any different, you know. Um, it wasn't any different, you know. Um, it wasn't like I missed a meal or anything like like I missed a meal or anything like like I missed a meal or anything like that, but definitely wasn't wasn't rich that, but definitely wasn't wasn't rich that, but definitely wasn't wasn't rich or anything or had money to do a whole or anything or had money to do a whole or anything or had money to do a whole lot of things when I was younger, but a lot of things when I was younger, but a lot of things when I was younger, but a working-class family, you know. working-class family, you know. working-class family, you know. >> And your parents divorced when you were >> And your parents divorced when you were >> And your parents divorced when you were younger? younger? younger? >> Yeah. Yeah. I lived I lived with them up >> Yeah. Yeah. I lived I lived with them up >> Yeah. Yeah. I lived I lived with them up until about maybe kindergarten or first until about maybe kindergarten or first until about maybe kindergarten or first first grade, then they got divorced. first grade, then they got divorced. first grade, then they got divorced. >> Do you have any sort of mental models or >> Do you have any sort of mental models or >> Do you have any sort of mental models or mental images of them being together mental images of them being together mental images of them being together when younger? Is there any memories of when younger? Is there any memories of when younger? Is there any memories of them being together? them being together? them being together? >> Honestly, dude, not to to be to turn it >> Honestly, dude, not to to be to turn it >> Honestly, dude, not to to be to turn it dark or anything, but the early memories dark or anything, but the early memories dark or anything, but the early memories I have of them together aren't the best. I have of them together aren't the best. I have of them together aren't the best. You know, it's fighting and violence and You know, it's fighting and violence and You know, it's fighting and violence and stuff, stuff, stuff, >> physical fighting. >> physical fighting. >> physical fighting. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> In that Instagram post you you wrote >> In that Instagram post you you wrote >> In that Instagram post you you wrote recently after the incident in the recently after the incident in the recently after the incident in the airport, you mentioned your father and airport, you mentioned your father and airport, you mentioned your father and you mentioned, I think, some of his you mentioned, I think, some of his you mentioned, I think, some of his struggles. He had his own struggles with struggles. He had his own struggles with struggles. He had his own struggles with alcohol.

alcohol. alcohol. >> Yeah. His whole life he has. Yeah. >> Yeah. His whole life he has. Yeah. >> Yeah. His whole life he has. Yeah. Alcohol has ruined his life. And alcohol Alcohol has ruined his life. And alcohol Alcohol has ruined his life. And alcohol was present when you were a young man was present when you were a young man was present when you were a young man when you were still there. when you were still there. when you were still there. >> He's been an alcoholic my entire life. >> He's been an alcoholic my entire life. >> He's been an alcoholic my entire life. >> Did you have a relationship with him >> Did you have a relationship with him >> Did you have a relationship with him after the divorce? after the divorce? after the divorce? >> Yeah, of course. I don't know what >> Yeah, of course. I don't know what >> Yeah, of course. I don't know what that's called. Uh split custody or that's called. Uh split custody or that's called. Uh split custody or something where something where something where >> every other weekend I would go to his >> every other weekend I would go to his >> every other weekend I would go to his house, spend the weekend at his house. house, spend the weekend at his house. house, spend the weekend at his house. >> How did that season of your life do you >> How did that season of your life do you >> How did that season of your life do you think as you look back shape the man think as you look back shape the man think as you look back shape the man that you became? Like that early context that you became? Like that early context that you became? Like that early context under the age of 10 years old that under the age of 10 years old that under the age of 10 years old that violent parents, they divorce, they violent parents, they divorce, they violent parents, they divorce, they separate, your dad is struggling with separate, your dad is struggling with separate, your dad is struggling with alcohol. Like how do you look back on alcohol. Like how do you look back on alcohol. Like how do you look back on that? that? that? >> As a grown man, I look back and think my >> As a grown man, I look back and think my >> As a grown man, I look back and think my father was an idiot for, father was an idiot for, father was an idiot for, you know, getting not being there with you know, getting not being there with you know, getting not being there with his kids. You know, as a father, I think his kids. You know, as a father, I think his kids. You know, as a father, I think about that. Like I I don't waking up about that. Like I I don't waking up about that. Like I I don't waking up with my kids in the house, running up to with my kids in the house, running up to with my kids in the house, running up to me, making them breakfast every day. me, making them breakfast every day. me, making them breakfast every day. Like I couldn't I I never want to live Like I couldn't I I never want to live Like I couldn't I I never want to live that type of life. I can't can't even that type of life. I can't can't even that type of life. I can't can't even imagine it. So, as an adult and a father imagine it. So, as an adult and a father imagine it. So, as an adult and a father looking back on it, I think he's made a looking back on it, I think he's made a looking back on it, I think he's made a lot of mistakes that, you know, I think lot of mistakes that, you know, I think lot of mistakes that, you know, I think he still lives with. and your mom.

he still lives with. and your mom. he still lives with. and your mom. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Got some nice photos of her as well. Um >> Got some nice photos of her as well. Um >> Got some nice photos of her as well. Um that's your wife. Um but she seems to that's your wife. Um but she seems to that's your wife. Um but she seems to have been um a real constant throughout have been um a real constant throughout have been um a real constant throughout your life. That's her there. your life. That's her there. your life. That's her there. >> For sure. For sure. I'll be on vacation >> For sure. For sure. I'll be on vacation >> For sure. For sure. I'll be on vacation with her in a week. Yeah. Look at my with her in a week. Yeah. Look at my with her in a week. Yeah. Look at my face. face. face. >> Post fight. >> Post fight. >> Post fight. >> Her and my grandmother raised me. She >> Her and my grandmother raised me. She >> Her and my grandmother raised me. She was, you know, everything. Mothers are was, you know, everything. Mothers are was, you know, everything. Mothers are everything. everything. everything. And she's she still is, you know, And she's she still is, you know, And she's she still is, you know, calling me, texting me every day, calling me, texting me every day, calling me, texting me every day, checking on me, asking how I am. checking on me, asking how I am. checking on me, asking how I am. >> And you got two brothers. >> And you got two brothers. >> And you got two brothers. >> So I have two brothers I grew up with. >> So I have two brothers I grew up with. >> So I have two brothers I grew up with. Two brothers and a sister I met when I Two brothers and a sister I met when I Two brothers and a sister I met when I was 25 26 years old from my father. was 25 26 years old from my father. was 25 26 years old from my father. >> I guess I'm trying to figure out as well >> I guess I'm trying to figure out as well >> I guess I'm trying to figure out as well cuz I I heard about what you were like cuz I I heard about what you were like cuz I I heard about what you were like in school. You struggled in school. in school. You struggled in school. in school. You struggled in school. >> It sounds sounds like you got in a lot >> It sounds sounds like you got in a lot >> It sounds sounds like you got in a lot of fights when you were younger. of fights when you were younger. of fights when you were younger. >> Um I'm trying to figure out where that >> Um I'm trying to figure out where that >> Um I'm trying to figure out where that came from in you. came from in you. came from in you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, living in South Louisiana, we we I mean, living in South Louisiana, we we I mean, living in South Louisiana, we we fought all the time. Uh, but I just kept fought all the time. Uh, but I just kept fought all the time. Uh, but I just kept doing it. I just kept going with doing it. I just kept going with doing it. I just kept going with fighting, you know, fighting, you know, fighting, you know, >> as a young man. I I read that you were >> as a young man. I I read that you were >> as a young man. I I read that you were expelled from school as well.

expelled from school as well. expelled from school as well. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> And was that again for fighting and >> And was that again for fighting and >> And was that again for fighting and struggling to struggling to struggling to >> Yeah. Yeah. Fighting. The one that got >> Yeah. Yeah. Fighting. The one that got >> Yeah. Yeah. Fighting. The one that got me expelled was a fight. me expelled was a fight. me expelled was a fight. >> And that seems to be a little quite a >> And that seems to be a little quite a >> And that seems to be a little quite a consistent pattern from 10 to 14. Um, consistent pattern from 10 to 14. Um, consistent pattern from 10 to 14. Um, struggling in school, fighting. And then struggling in school, fighting. And then struggling in school, fighting. And then at 15, I hear that you end up in at 15, I hear that you end up in at 15, I hear that you end up in juvenile detention center. juvenile detention center. juvenile detention center. >> 14. >> 14. >> 14. >> 14. >> 14. >> 14. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> What was the what was the road there? >> What was the what was the road there? >> What was the what was the road there? What happened? What happened? What happened? >> I had got into some trouble at one of >> I had got into some trouble at one of >> I had got into some trouble at one of the times I was living with my father. I the times I was living with my father. I the times I was living with my father. I uh got into a fight uh got into a fight uh got into a fight >> and and physically hurt somebody in the >> and and physically hurt somebody in the >> and and physically hurt somebody in the fight and got arrested and uh I was on fight and got arrested and uh I was on fight and got arrested and uh I was on probation at the time and I wasn't going probation at the time and I wasn't going probation at the time and I wasn't going to school. got picked up for truency and to school. got picked up for truency and to school. got picked up for truency and some other things like that for not some other things like that for not some other things like that for not going to school and uh failed the drug going to school and uh failed the drug going to school and uh failed the drug test. I was on probation at the time, test. I was on probation at the time, test. I was on probation at the time, failed the drug test and then I they failed the drug test and then I they failed the drug test and then I they sent me to juvenile detention. sent me to juvenile detention. sent me to juvenile detention. >> Were you drinking at that age? >> Were you drinking at that age? >> Were you drinking at that age? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> At 15. >> At 15. >> At 15. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> When did you start drinking? >> When did you start drinking? >> When did you start drinking? >> I was talking to my wife the other day >> I was talking to my wife the other day >> I was talking to my wife the other day and I was thinking about that. I don't and I was thinking about that. I don't and I was thinking about that. I don't know 12, 13 probably. H know 12, 13 probably. H know 12, 13 probably. H it is it is quite um it's quite curious it is it is quite um it's quite curious it is it is quite um it's quite curious to me that you know 14 15 you're getting to me that you know 14 15 you're getting to me that you know 14 15 you're getting in trouble for fighting you end up in a in trouble for fighting you end up in a in trouble for fighting you end up in a detention center you're drinking from 12 detention center you're drinking from 12 detention center you're drinking from 12 years old and it it like begs the years old and it it like begs the years old and it it like begs the question to me as someone that's done question to me as someone that's done question to me as someone that's done lots of these interviews like what was lots of these interviews like what was lots of these interviews like what was going on in that in that young man's going on in that in that young man's going on in that in that young man's mind mind mind >> I don't have an answer what was going on >> I don't have an answer what was going on >> I don't have an answer what was going on um not having anywhere to put my focus um not having anywhere to put my focus um not having anywhere to put my focus not I wasn't trying to be the best at not I wasn't trying to be the best at not I wasn't trying to be the best at something I was just living dayto-day something I was just living dayto-day something I was just living dayto-day doing whatever you know I didn't have doing whatever you know I didn't have doing whatever you know I didn't have any goals

any goals any goals I was a young kid, you know. It's tough I was a young kid, you know. It's tough I was a young kid, you know. It's tough to it's tough to say to look back to to it's tough to say to look back to to it's tough to say to look back to that young and really say what I was that young and really say what I was that young and really say what I was thinking at that age. Um thinking at that age. Um thinking at that age. Um I was just being a kid, I guess. I was just being a kid, I guess. I was just being a kid, I guess. >> Were you a happy kid? >> Were you a happy kid? >> Were you a happy kid? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You were a happy kid. >> You were a happy kid. >> You were a happy kid. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you were spending the week with your >> And you were spending the week with your >> And you were spending the week with your mother and then the week you said was it mother and then the week you said was it mother and then the week you said was it the weekends with your father? the weekends with your father? the weekends with your father? >> The weekend or every other weekend? I >> The weekend or every other weekend? I >> The weekend or every other weekend? I forget exactly how it was. Yeah. forget exactly how it was. Yeah. forget exactly how it was. Yeah. >> And when you talk about his life being >> And when you talk about his life being >> And when you talk about his life being ruined by alcohol, what do you mean by ruined by alcohol, what do you mean by ruined by alcohol, what do you mean by what do you mean by that? what do you mean by that? what do you mean by that? I mean, he has I mean, he has I mean, he has he's ruined his marriages. He's ruined he's ruined his marriages. He's ruined he's ruined his marriages. He's ruined his relationships. He's ruined his his relationships. He's ruined his his relationships. He's ruined his friendships. He's ruined his friendships. He's ruined his friendships. He's ruined his relationships with his family, with his relationships with his family, with his relationships with his family, with his kids. Two son, three Well, my little kids. Two son, three Well, my little kids. Two son, three Well, my little brother kind of is off and on talking to brother kind of is off and on talking to brother kind of is off and on talking to him, but he has two kids that don't him, but he has two kids that don't him, but he has two kids that don't speak to him at all and and won't uh you speak to him at all and and won't uh you speak to him at all and and won't uh you know, he's been in jail plenty of times know, he's been in jail plenty of times know, he's been in jail plenty of times for for alcohol-related stuff. And for for alcohol-related stuff. And for for alcohol-related stuff. And yeah, I if I could paint a picture what yeah, I if I could paint a picture what yeah, I if I could paint a picture what you think of of of a classic drunk uh or you think of of of a classic drunk uh or you think of of of a classic drunk uh or alcoholic, you know, very selfish um and alcoholic, you know, very selfish um and alcoholic, you know, very selfish um and continues to go back to it. Continues continues to go back to it. Continues continues to go back to it. Continues he's actually homeless. Homeless right he's actually homeless. Homeless right he's actually homeless. Homeless right now.

now. now. >> He's homeless right now. >> He's homeless right now. >> He's homeless right now. >> Yeah. Part of that me getting in trouble >> Yeah. Part of that me getting in trouble >> Yeah. Part of that me getting in trouble at the airport was at the airport was at the airport was I just felt uh and it's not my weight to I just felt uh and it's not my weight to I just felt uh and it's not my weight to carry, you know, but I just felt I try carry, you know, but I just felt I try carry, you know, but I just felt I try to help him out and he's back out on the to help him out and he's back out on the to help him out and he's back out on the street. It's like it almost doesn't want street. It's like it almost doesn't want street. It's like it almost doesn't want help, you know? And I was just kind of help, you know? And I was just kind of help, you know? And I was just kind of on Father's Day, I was traveling to work on Father's Day, I was traveling to work on Father's Day, I was traveling to work and I I just and I I just and I I just couldn't stop thinking about my father couldn't stop thinking about my father couldn't stop thinking about my father and I started drinking in the airport and I started drinking in the airport and I started drinking in the airport and that's kind of what led to the and that's kind of what led to the and that's kind of what led to the incident. It's just But when I feel like incident. It's just But when I feel like incident. It's just But when I feel like that, you know, I've been going to that, you know, I've been going to that, you know, I've been going to therapy and stuff like that. years ago, therapy and stuff like that. years ago, therapy and stuff like that. years ago, I started going to therapy. And I started going to therapy. And I started going to therapy. And when I started feeling better, I stopped when I started feeling better, I stopped when I started feeling better, I stopped practicing everything I learned through practicing everything I learned through practicing everything I learned through therapy, you know, therapy, you know, therapy, you know, >> and uh then I felt that feeling again. >> and uh then I felt that feeling again. >> and uh then I felt that feeling again. Just an Just an Just an I guess call it depression. Just didn't I guess call it depression. Just didn't I guess call it depression. Just didn't feel well. And when I feel like that, I feel well. And when I feel like that, I feel well. And when I feel like that, I know I shouldn't drink. know I shouldn't drink. know I shouldn't drink. And I drank anyway. So, you know, not And I drank anyway. So, you know, not And I drank anyway. So, you know, not that my father anything's an excuse. that my father anything's an excuse. that my father anything's an excuse. Obviously, I did what I did. Um, Obviously, I did what I did. Um, Obviously, I did what I did. Um, but I knew I knew better in the moment but I knew I knew better in the moment but I knew I knew better in the moment when I'm feeling like that to to to when I'm feeling like that to to to when I'm feeling like that to to to drink or do anything. You know, alcohol drink or do anything. You know, alcohol drink or do anything. You know, alcohol has never benefited me, especially in has never benefited me, especially in has never benefited me, especially in times like that where I'm mentally not times like that where I'm mentally not times like that where I'm mentally not the best.

the best. the best. >> You use the word depression there to >> You use the word depression there to >> You use the word depression there to describe that feeling to to give it a describe that feeling to to give it a describe that feeling to to give it a word. So, let's use that word. word. So, let's use that word. word. So, let's use that word. >> Um, can you paint a picture for me in >> Um, can you paint a picture for me in >> Um, can you paint a picture for me in terms of what that actually feels like? terms of what that actually feels like? terms of what that actually feels like? That day that you wake up, it's Father's That day that you wake up, it's Father's That day that you wake up, it's Father's Day, you don't feel good. Like, what is Day, you don't feel good. Like, what is Day, you don't feel good. Like, what is that? that? that? >> No, I I felt good in the morning. you >> No, I I felt good in the morning. you >> No, I I felt good in the morning. you know, I spent the morning with my with know, I spent the morning with my with know, I spent the morning with my with my kids. My daughter wrote me a letter. my kids. My daughter wrote me a letter. my kids. My daughter wrote me a letter. She gave me presents, you know, did all She gave me presents, you know, did all She gave me presents, you know, did all the Father's Day stuff. I had a a great the Father's Day stuff. I had a a great the Father's Day stuff. I had a a great morning. But then when I left my home to morning. But then when I left my home to morning. But then when I left my home to go to fly out, I started feeling it, you go to fly out, I started feeling it, you go to fly out, I started feeling it, you know, and and know, and and know, and and days leading up to that, it would come days leading up to that, it would come days leading up to that, it would come off and on, coming off and on, and I off and on, coming off and on, and I off and on, coming off and on, and I would think about, you know, my father would think about, you know, my father would think about, you know, my father and it would kind of bring me down, but and it would kind of bring me down, but and it would kind of bring me down, but it wasn't that bad. But for Father's it wasn't that bad. But for Father's it wasn't that bad. But for Father's Day, it just hit me, man. It hit me hard Day, it just hit me, man. It hit me hard Day, it just hit me, man. It hit me hard >> because he's currently homeless. >> because he's currently homeless. >> because he's currently homeless. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Here in Louisiana. Yeah. >> Here in Louisiana. Yeah. >> Here in Louisiana. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually, man, when I got out of jail I actually, man, when I got out of jail I actually, man, when I got out of jail in Atlanta and flew back home on that in Atlanta and flew back home on that in Atlanta and flew back home on that Tuesday, I got back late maybe Tuesday. Tuesday, I got back late maybe Tuesday. Tuesday, I got back late maybe Tuesday. Uh Wednesday morning, I drove to where Uh Wednesday morning, I drove to where Uh Wednesday morning, I drove to where he he he he lives or where he sleeps, and uh went he lives or where he sleeps, and uh went he lives or where he sleeps, and uh went to the sheriff's office, got in contact to the sheriff's office, got in contact to the sheriff's office, got in contact with the coroner. I had to do a whole with the coroner. I had to do a whole with the coroner. I had to do a whole process to to sign a OPC, order of process to to sign a OPC, order of process to to sign a OPC, order of protective custody. I tried to get him protective custody. I tried to get him protective custody. I tried to get him to pick him up against his will and and to pick him up against his will and and to pick him up against his will and and all this stuff and they did but I went all this stuff and they did but I went all this stuff and they did but I went at the wrong time and I went early in at the wrong time and I went early in at the wrong time and I went early in the morning when I woke up and when they the morning when I woke up and when they the morning when I woke up and when they picked him up he wasn't disoriented he picked him up he wasn't disoriented he picked him up he wasn't disoriented he was normal you know and uh so they was normal you know and uh so they was normal you know and uh so they released him again.

released him again. released him again. >> What is the range of feelings and >> What is the range of feelings and >> What is the range of feelings and emotions you have towards him at the emotions you have towards him at the emotions you have towards him at the moment? you know, he's always you know, he's always that's tough. And I'm not angry at him. that's tough. And I'm not angry at him. that's tough. And I'm not angry at him. I'm uh and once again, this isn't an I'm uh and once again, this isn't an I'm uh and once again, this isn't an excuse for my actions. You know, my excuse for my actions. You know, my excuse for my actions. You know, my father just came to a head on Father's father just came to a head on Father's father just came to a head on Father's Day, but uh just upset to see him doing this to himself upset to see him doing this to himself and not getting out of his own way and and not getting out of his own way and and not getting out of his own way and continuing to let it get just worse and continuing to let it get just worse and continuing to let it get just worse and worse progressively over the years when worse progressively over the years when worse progressively over the years when he when he knows better. you know, when he when he knows better. you know, when he when he knows better. you know, when he knows better. he knows better. he knows better. I mean, most people when I mean, most people when I mean, most people when you make a mistake or do you try to fix you make a mistake or do you try to fix you make a mistake or do you try to fix it, you try to make tomorrow better than it, you try to make tomorrow better than it, you try to make tomorrow better than yesterday, you know, next year better yesterday, you know, next year better yesterday, you know, next year better than this year. Everybody just keeps than this year. Everybody just keeps than this year. Everybody just keeps doing the same thing. And that's because doing the same thing. And that's because doing the same thing. And that's because he's addicted to alcohol. he's addicted to alcohol. he's addicted to alcohol. >> What is his story?

I wish I I I knew more so I could tell I wish I I I knew more so I could tell you, but you, but you, but been like a hard worker his whole life, been like a hard worker his whole life, been like a hard worker his whole life, you know, did whatever. Worked in the you know, did whatever. Worked in the you know, did whatever. Worked in the oil field for a long time, but uh check oil field for a long time, but uh check oil field for a long time, but uh check to check his whole life. Um to check his whole life. Um to check his whole life. Um simple guy, you know, was a really good simple guy, you know, was a really good simple guy, you know, was a really good athlete in in school. athlete in in school. athlete in in school. Got a woman pregnant at a young age in Got a woman pregnant at a young age in Got a woman pregnant at a young age in high school, so he couldn't uh continue high school, so he couldn't uh continue high school, so he couldn't uh continue to focus and chase his dreams of playing to focus and chase his dreams of playing to focus and chase his dreams of playing football. um you know back then when you football. um you know back then when you football. um you know back then when you got a a girl pregnant you got married got a a girl pregnant you got married got a a girl pregnant you got married and got a job and and things like that. and got a job and and things like that. and got a job and and things like that. So that's what he did. So that's what he did. So that's what he did. >> So that day you wake up you're feeling >> So that day you wake up you're feeling >> So that day you wake up you're feeling okay in the morning it's father's day okay in the morning it's father's day okay in the morning it's father's day you start thinking about your father you you start thinking about your father you you start thinking about your father you get that feeling that you describe as get that feeling that you describe as get that feeling that you describe as depression. depression. depression. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um which is just how what is that >> Um which is just how what is that >> Um which is just how what is that feeling? It's feeling feeling? It's feeling feeling? It's feeling >> for someone that has never experienced >> for someone that has never experienced >> for someone that has never experienced it before. You know, I I've had bouts it before. You know, I I've had bouts it before. You know, I I've had bouts with depression throughout my career. with depression throughout my career. with depression throughout my career. When it hits me, you know, it hits it When it hits me, you know, it hits it When it hits me, you know, it hits it hits me hard. And that day, it hit me. hits me hard. And that day, it hit me. hits me hard. And that day, it hit me. It hit me hard, man. You know, going to It hit me hard, man. You know, going to It hit me hard, man. You know, going to the airport, it just feels like the airport, it just feels like the airport, it just feels like everything is has a its own gravity and everything is has a its own gravity and everything is has a its own gravity and it's going to pull me towards the it's going to pull me towards the it's going to pull me towards the negative. No matter what it is, it's negative. No matter what it is, it's negative. No matter what it is, it's like a cloud in my in my head that I like a cloud in my in my head that I like a cloud in my in my head that I just can't get out from under it. It just can't get out from under it. It just can't get out from under it. It It's hard to explain to you unless It's hard to explain to you unless It's hard to explain to you unless you've been through it. That's what I you've been through it. That's what I you've been through it. That's what I try to tell my wife cuz she's always so try to tell my wife cuz she's always so try to tell my wife cuz she's always so happy and so, you know, which is great.

happy and so, you know, which is great. happy and so, you know, which is great. But like when I feel like that and it But like when I feel like that and it But like when I feel like that and it doesn't happen often, but man, when it doesn't happen often, but man, when it doesn't happen often, but man, when it hits me, it's bad, you know? It's bad. hits me, it's bad, you know? It's bad. hits me, it's bad, you know? It's bad. >> Do you remember the first time you felt >> Do you remember the first time you felt >> Do you remember the first time you felt that? that? that? >> I don't, but my wife, you know, me and >> I don't, but my wife, you know, me and >> I don't, but my wife, you know, me and my wife been together a long time since my wife been together a long time since my wife been together a long time since we were in off and on through middle we were in off and on through middle we were in off and on through middle school and high school and all that, school and high school and all that, school and high school and all that, but she she tells me, "Don't you Yeah, but she she tells me, "Don't you Yeah, but she she tells me, "Don't you Yeah, >> there she is. She tells me, "Don't you >> there she is. She tells me, "Don't you >> there she is. She tells me, "Don't you remember? Like, I've always thought remember? Like, I've always thought remember? Like, I've always thought something, you know, you never wanted to something, you know, you never wanted to something, you know, you never wanted to be around big crowds, go to all the be around big crowds, go to all the be around big crowds, go to all the parties with me when I was younger and parties with me when I was younger and parties with me when I was younger and do all that stuff." Yeah, because I I do all that stuff." Yeah, because I I do all that stuff." Yeah, because I I just didn't like to be around that many just didn't like to be around that many just didn't like to be around that many people that much, you know, I I maybe it people that much, you know, I I maybe it people that much, you know, I I maybe it was uh anxiety I was dealing with. I was uh anxiety I was dealing with. I was uh anxiety I was dealing with. I don't know. This stuff is all new to me. don't know. This stuff is all new to me. don't know. This stuff is all new to me. So, I'm just I would tell her how I feel So, I'm just I would tell her how I feel So, I'm just I would tell her how I feel and she's like, "Don't you remember?" and she's like, "Don't you remember?" and she's like, "Don't you remember?" So, she thinks I've been having it, but So, she thinks I've been having it, but So, she thinks I've been having it, but I started noticing it, you know, more I started noticing it, you know, more I started noticing it, you know, more recently recently recently >> in the last years, three, four years. >> in the last years, three, four years. >> in the last years, three, four years. Was there a catalyst at all? A catalyst Was there a catalyst at all? A catalyst Was there a catalyst at all? A catalyst moment? Something that happened that moment? Something that happened that moment? Something that happened that caused you to feel that or caused you to feel that or caused you to feel that or >> if I could link it to something, it was >> if I could link it to something, it was >> if I could link it to something, it was I lost a big fight, came back home with I lost a big fight, came back home with I lost a big fight, came back home with which fight?

which fight? which fight? >> My second fight with Justin Gatechi. >> My second fight with Justin Gatechi. >> My second fight with Justin Gatechi. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Lost that one, came back home, >> Lost that one, came back home, >> Lost that one, came back home, everything was good, and then it would everything was good, and then it would everything was good, and then it would just I was really emotional, man. You just I was really emotional, man. You just I was really emotional, man. You know, some days I would be fine, some know, some days I would be fine, some know, some days I would be fine, some days I would be sad, and I was like, days I would be sad, and I was like, days I would be sad, and I was like, "Something's off, you know, something's "Something's off, you know, something's "Something's off, you know, something's off." off. So that's when I started off." off. So that's when I started off." off. So that's when I started going to therapy and trying to unpack going to therapy and trying to unpack going to therapy and trying to unpack some of the stuff that I didn't even some of the stuff that I didn't even some of the stuff that I didn't even know I was walking around with, you know I was walking around with, you know I was walking around with, you know. know. know. >> Did you learn anything through the >> Did you learn anything through the >> Did you learn anything through the process of therapy? I've been to process of therapy? I've been to process of therapy? I've been to therapy, too. I've been I mean, therapy, too. I've been I mean, therapy, too. I've been I mean, >> still the day uh I got back from >> still the day uh I got back from >> still the day uh I got back from Atlanta, I started going to therapy Atlanta, I started going to therapy Atlanta, I started going to therapy again again again >> after the airport incident. >> after the airport incident. >> after the airport incident. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right before I I went try to >> Yeah. Yeah. Right before I I went try to >> Yeah. Yeah. Right before I I went try to help my father, uh I went through a help my father, uh I went through a help my father, uh I went through a therapy session. So I had kind of closed therapy session. So I had kind of closed therapy session. So I had kind of closed the door on therapy when I started the door on therapy when I started the door on therapy when I started feeling good again, you know? But then feeling good again, you know? But then feeling good again, you know? But then I'm starting to realize like it's not I'm starting to realize like it's not I'm starting to realize like it's not something that you just fix. It's something that you just fix. It's something that you just fix. It's something you have to work on always. something you have to work on always. something you have to work on always. And you know, so and that's that's what And you know, so and that's that's what And you know, so and that's that's what I'm trying to do, you know, since for I'm trying to do, you know, since for I'm trying to do, you know, since for the last week I've been waking up early, the last week I've been waking up early, the last week I've been waking up early, reading some stuff, writing, doing reading some stuff, writing, doing reading some stuff, writing, doing something hard in the morning, just something hard in the morning, just something hard in the morning, just trying to do everything that I was doing trying to do everything that I was doing trying to do everything that I was doing that made me feel better 3 years ago.

that made me feel better 3 years ago. that made me feel better 3 years ago. And I'm trying my best, man. Have you learned anything about yourself Have you learned anything about yourself through the process of therapy? Yeah, through the process of therapy? Yeah, through the process of therapy? Yeah, that maybe some some of the childhood that maybe some some of the childhood that maybe some some of the childhood stuff I'm still carrying around. I don't stuff I'm still carrying around. I don't stuff I'm still carrying around. I don't think about it, you know. It's not like think about it, you know. It's not like think about it, you know. It's not like the first, you know, but the first, you know, but the first, you know, but >> it's unconscious a lot of it. >> it's unconscious a lot of it. >> it's unconscious a lot of it. >> Right. Right. Right. But deep down I'm >> Right. Right. Right. But deep down I'm >> Right. Right. Right. But deep down I'm still carrying things I think from my still carrying things I think from my still carrying things I think from my childhood. And everybody, you know, I've childhood. And everybody, you know, I've childhood. And everybody, you know, I've learned a lot through therapy. Everybody learned a lot through therapy. Everybody learned a lot through therapy. Everybody deals with different emotions and deals with different emotions and deals with different emotions and process things differently. And and I'm still going through it. You and I'm still going through it. You know, I'm back in therapy now. know, I'm back in therapy now. know, I'm back in therapy now. I've I've been able to interview lots of I've I've been able to interview lots of I've I've been able to interview lots of people and so I've interviewed like people and so I've interviewed like people and so I've interviewed like psychologists, lots of them, so many psychologists, lots of them, so many psychologists, lots of them, so many therapists I've interviewed. One of the therapists I've interviewed. One of the therapists I've interviewed. One of the the things that I noticed which was the things that I noticed which was the things that I noticed which was quite stark to me was that um young boys quite stark to me was that um young boys quite stark to me was that um young boys in particular that grow up without a in particular that grow up without a in particular that grow up without a stable father figure are much more stable father figure are much more stable father figure are much more likely to be um have anger issues, be likely to be um have anger issues, be likely to be um have anger issues, be depressed, struggle in life. But it's depressed, struggle in life. But it's depressed, struggle in life. But it's actually the the data excuse more actually the the data excuse more actually the the data excuse more towards young boys without that sort of towards young boys without that sort of towards young boys without that sort of stable father figure. Um but also that stable father figure. Um but also that stable father figure. Um but also that if you compound that with there being if you compound that with there being if you compound that with there being violence in the home from a young age violence in the home from a young age violence in the home from a young age that's also another factor which that's also another factor which that's also another factor which exacerbates the situation where so those exacerbates the situation where so those exacerbates the situation where so those are sort of two of the things that stood are sort of two of the things that stood are sort of two of the things that stood out to me was the absence of your father out to me was the absence of your father out to me was the absence of your father also having a father or a parent that's also having a father or a parent that's also having a father or a parent that's dealing with addiction dealing with addiction dealing with addiction >> is another burden for so many reasons.

>> is another burden for so many reasons. >> is another burden for so many reasons. So those three things are the things So those three things are the things So those three things are the things that from your story and from you know I that from your story and from you know I that from your story and from you know I I thought oh that's I thought oh that's I thought oh that's >> those are um those are challenges that >> those are um those are challenges that >> those are um those are challenges that are understandable to stay with you as a are understandable to stay with you as a are understandable to stay with you as a as an adult. as an adult. as an adult. >> Yeah for sure. And then then you don't >> Yeah for sure. And then then you don't >> Yeah for sure. And then then you don't even think about think about them at all even think about think about them at all even think about think about them at all throughout your whole life. And then you throughout your whole life. And then you throughout your whole life. And then you sit down with somebody and start opening sit down with somebody and start opening sit down with somebody and start opening things up and talking about things. You things up and talking about things. You things up and talking about things. You see, well, maybe I could be, you know, see, well, maybe I could be, you know, see, well, maybe I could be, you know, this could be linked to different things this could be linked to different things this could be linked to different things and I could be carrying stuff that isn't and I could be carrying stuff that isn't and I could be carrying stuff that isn't mine to carry and and things like that. mine to carry and and things like that. mine to carry and and things like that. You know, as I'm growing up and being You know, as I'm growing up and being You know, as I'm growing up and being more mature and talking and speaking to more mature and talking and speaking to more mature and talking and speaking to with professionals and stuff, I'm with professionals and stuff, I'm with professionals and stuff, I'm starting to unpack some of that. starting to unpack some of that. starting to unpack some of that. >> And was that difficult to do >> And was that difficult to do >> And was that difficult to do >> therapy? >> therapy? >> therapy? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, man. Yeah. You know, it's >> Yeah, man. Yeah. You know, it's >> Yeah, man. Yeah. You know, it's >> difficult to even say, isn't it? >> difficult to even say, isn't it? >> difficult to even say, isn't it? >> Right. And even at the beginning when I >> Right. And even at the beginning when I >> Right. And even at the beginning when I first started doing interviews like first started doing interviews like first started doing interviews like Ariel Hwani and stuff and I would bring Ariel Hwani and stuff and I would bring Ariel Hwani and stuff and I would bring it up like I'm you know I'm working on it up like I'm you know I'm working on it up like I'm you know I'm working on myself I'm going to therapy. I it felt myself I'm going to therapy. I it felt myself I'm going to therapy. I it felt weak in the moment like who am I? I'm weak in the moment like who am I? I'm weak in the moment like who am I? I'm going through therapy. I'm telling the going through therapy. I'm telling the going through therapy. I'm telling the world I'm going to therapy. But then I I world I'm going to therapy. But then I I world I'm going to therapy. But then I I look at it hindsight. I'm like you know look at it hindsight. I'm like you know look at it hindsight. I'm like you know what that's that's strength. I you know what that's that's strength. I you know what that's that's strength. I you know especially in a tough guys sport. especially in a tough guys sport. especially in a tough guys sport. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know we're fighting and bleeding and >> You know we're fighting and bleeding and >> You know we're fighting and bleeding and beating each other up. Beating the best beating each other up. Beating the best beating each other up. Beating the best guys up in the world. You know fighting guys up in the world. You know fighting guys up in the world. You know fighting the best guys in the world. And I need the best guys in the world. And I need the best guys in the world. And I need to go to therapy to unpack some stuff.

to go to therapy to unpack some stuff. to go to therapy to unpack some stuff. It just it's crazy. The human mind is is It just it's crazy. The human mind is is It just it's crazy. The human mind is is incredible. incredible. incredible. >> It's funny cuz we go to the gym, right? >> It's funny cuz we go to the gym, right? >> It's funny cuz we go to the gym, right? And we like work on our physical And we like work on our physical And we like work on our physical performance, but going to therapy is performance, but going to therapy is performance, but going to therapy is that we got to hide that. that we got to hide that. that we got to hide that. >> And the gym was a part of therapy for >> And the gym was a part of therapy for >> And the gym was a part of therapy for me. Fighting was a part of therapy, you me. Fighting was a part of therapy, you me. Fighting was a part of therapy, you know, for me. And uh and I always always know, for me. And uh and I always always know, for me. And uh and I always always was scared of that. You know, what am I was scared of that. You know, what am I was scared of that. You know, what am I going to do to going to do to going to do to to sabotage myself when I when I retire to sabotage myself when I when I retire to sabotage myself when I when I retire from fighting because I don't have this from fighting because I don't have this from fighting because I don't have this outlet anymore. You know, I've done it outlet anymore. You know, I've done it outlet anymore. You know, I've done it for 20 years of fighting. I always had for 20 years of fighting. I always had for 20 years of fighting. I always had somewhere to go, you know. I always had somewhere to go, you know. I always had somewhere to go, you know. I always had to to get better at the gym, to to work to to get better at the gym, to to work to to get better at the gym, to to work on fighting, to focus on something. on fighting, to focus on something. on fighting, to focus on something. Every day I could get up and push myself Every day I could get up and push myself Every day I could get up and push myself to try to be better, to answer a new to try to be better, to answer a new to try to be better, to answer a new question, to do anything with fighting question, to do anything with fighting question, to do anything with fighting to get better to get better to get better on multiple levels, whether it's the on multiple levels, whether it's the on multiple levels, whether it's the techniques or whether it's my my techniques or whether it's my my techniques or whether it's my my physical fitness, anything. There was physical fitness, anything. There was physical fitness, anything. There was always something to work on work on always something to work on work on always something to work on work on always. And when I retired, I was kind always. And when I retired, I was kind always. And when I retired, I was kind of worried about that, like how will of worried about that, like how will of worried about that, like how will life look post fighting, you know? Um, I life look post fighting, you know? Um, I life look post fighting, you know? Um, I was scared of it. I was scared of it was scared of it. I was scared of it was scared of it. I was scared of it >> because I mean you've been fighting >> because I mean you've been fighting >> because I mean you've been fighting since you were what 16 17.

since you were what 16 17. since you were what 16 17. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you're 37 now. So it's just over two >> And you're 37 now. So it's just over two >> And you're 37 now. So it's just over two decades that fighting has been your kind decades that fighting has been your kind decades that fighting has been your kind of north star and your orientation. of north star and your orientation. of north star and your orientation. >> It was always there for me. Always there >> It was always there for me. Always there >> It was always there for me. Always there for me. You know, no matter what was for me. You know, no matter what was for me. You know, no matter what was going on, I could go to the gym and going on, I could go to the gym and going on, I could go to the gym and drown out any noise in my brain. Any, drown out any noise in my brain. Any, drown out any noise in my brain. Any, you know, quiet that voice in your head. you know, quiet that voice in your head. you know, quiet that voice in your head. And I was scared to not have that And I was scared to not have that And I was scared to not have that anymore. And I I still have it. I can anymore. And I I still have it. I can anymore. And I I still have it. I can still go to the gym every day if I want, still go to the gym every day if I want, still go to the gym every day if I want, but it's not the same. You know, it but it's not the same. You know, it but it's not the same. You know, it doesn't feel the same. doesn't feel the same. doesn't feel the same. >> It doesn't feel the same. >> It doesn't feel the same. >> It doesn't feel the same. >> Not being on the mats preparing to fight >> Not being on the mats preparing to fight >> Not being on the mats preparing to fight someone for your life and your family's someone for your life and your family's someone for your life and your family's well-being in front of the world. If I'm well-being in front of the world. If I'm well-being in front of the world. If I'm just training just to spin my wheels, it just training just to spin my wheels, it just training just to spin my wheels, it doesn't feel I've done this my whole doesn't feel I've done this my whole doesn't feel I've done this my whole life training. Still fun. I have fun. life training. Still fun. I have fun. life training. Still fun. I have fun. You know, we do whatever train, but it's You know, we do whatever train, but it's You know, we do whatever train, but it's not It doesn't feel the same to me not It doesn't feel the same to me not It doesn't feel the same to me anymore anymore anymore >> because there's not a goal, a big goal >> because there's not a goal, a big goal >> because there's not a goal, a big goal at the end of it to focus your being. at the end of it to focus your being. at the end of it to focus your being. >> Exactly. Hm. >> Exactly. Hm. >> Exactly. Hm. >> When you look through the last 20 years, >> When you look through the last 20 years, >> When you look through the last 20 years, you do you see fighting as a really you do you see fighting as a really you do you see fighting as a really productive distraction in some respects productive distraction in some respects productive distraction in some respects then? then? then? >> For me, yeah, for me 100%.

>> For me, yeah, for me 100%. >> For me, yeah, for me 100%. >> Yeah. It was an outlet. It was something >> Yeah. It was an outlet. It was something >> Yeah. It was an outlet. It was something to focus on. It was something to try to to focus on. It was something to try to to focus on. It was something to try to be the best at. It was It consumed me, be the best at. It was It consumed me, be the best at. It was It consumed me, man. It consumed me. Fighting was my man. It consumed me. Fighting was my man. It consumed me. Fighting was my entire life. And now post fighting, it's entire life. And now post fighting, it's entire life. And now post fighting, it's like separating myself like separating myself like separating myself from the fighter is I'm I'm trying to from the fighter is I'm I'm trying to from the fighter is I'm I'm trying to figure it out still. You know, a a buddy figure it out still. You know, a a buddy figure it out still. You know, a a buddy of mine told me the other day, a wise of mine told me the other day, a wise of mine told me the other day, a wise man told him, "If you're lucky, you die man told him, "If you're lucky, you die man told him, "If you're lucky, you die twice. If a man's lucky, he gets to die twice. If a man's lucky, he gets to die twice. If a man's lucky, he gets to die twice." And that's kind of what I'm twice." And that's kind of what I'm twice." And that's kind of what I'm going through right now. Now, that that going through right now. Now, that that going through right now. Now, that that makes sense to me. You know, that part makes sense to me. You know, that part makes sense to me. You know, that part of me that every day wake up, push of me that every day wake up, push of me that every day wake up, push yourself to be the best fighter you can yourself to be the best fighter you can yourself to be the best fighter you can be is dead. You know, I'm retired Dustin be is dead. You know, I'm retired Dustin be is dead. You know, I'm retired Dustin now. I'm businessman Dustin. I'm father now. I'm businessman Dustin. I'm father now. I'm businessman Dustin. I'm father I was I was a father before when I was I was I was a father before when I was I was I was a father before when I was still fighting, but I have other things, still fighting, but I have other things, still fighting, but I have other things, other hats to wear. You know, it's just other hats to wear. You know, it's just other hats to wear. You know, it's just I'm trying to figure it out. I'm trying to figure it out. I'm trying to figure it out. I'm trying to figure it all out. I'm trying to figure it all out. I'm trying to figure it all out. >> And it's only been 11 years. Not even a >> And it's only been 11 years. Not even a >> And it's only been 11 years. Not even a year. Yeah. year. Yeah. year. Yeah. >> July 30th, wasn't it? Last year that you >> July 30th, wasn't it? Last year that you >> July 30th, wasn't it? Last year that you retired retired retired >> here in this in New Orleans. >> here in this in New Orleans. >> here in this in New Orleans. >> Do do they offer you any support with >> Do do they offer you any support with >> Do do they offer you any support with that retirement process?

that retirement process? that retirement process? >> As far as >> As far as >> As far as >> as far as giving you like a road map for >> as far as giving you like a road map for >> as far as giving you like a road map for how to deal with the mental shift? how to deal with the mental shift? how to deal with the mental shift? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> There's no like sort of postfighting >> There's no like sort of postfighting >> There's no like sort of postfighting program. program. program. >> No, there should be. For sure. There >> No, there should be. For sure. There >> No, there should be. For sure. There should be, but no. because it's quite a should be, but no. because it's quite a should be, but no. because it's quite a familiar story across sports, familiar story across sports, familiar story across sports, >> right? And that's what I was always when >> right? And that's what I was always when >> right? And that's what I was always when I would see it happen, I knew I was I would see it happen, I knew I was I would see it happen, I knew I was like, I'm never going to be that, you like, I'm never going to be that, you like, I'm never going to be that, you know, I'm never going to be the guy that know, I'm never going to be the guy that know, I'm never going to be the guy that goes and gets arrested or gets hooked on goes and gets arrested or gets hooked on goes and gets arrested or gets hooked on drugs or blows all of his money and drugs or blows all of his money and drugs or blows all of his money and just, you know, you see it over and over just, you know, you see it over and over just, you know, you see it over and over and not just in fighting, in and not just in fighting, in and not just in fighting, in professional sports, you know, professional sports, you know, professional sports, you know, it's like you've done something so long it's like you've done something so long it's like you've done something so long your whole life, so intense and so, you your whole life, so intense and so, you your whole life, so intense and so, you know, it takes all of you. When it's know, it takes all of you. When it's know, it takes all of you. When it's gone, it's like, what else can I do to gone, it's like, what else can I do to gone, it's like, what else can I do to the maximum? What else? dopamine hit can the maximum? What else? dopamine hit can the maximum? What else? dopamine hit can I get what can I just pour myself into I get what can I just pour myself into I get what can I just pour myself into and go crazy on something you know and a and go crazy on something you know and a and go crazy on something you know and a lot of times it's bad things dangerous lot of times it's bad things dangerous lot of times it's bad things dangerous things you know you see it time and time things you know you see it time and time things you know you see it time and time again and I always said I'll never be again and I always said I'll never be again and I always said I'll never be that guy and I'm not you know I ran into that guy and I'm not you know I ran into that guy and I'm not you know I ran into some trouble the other the other week some trouble the other the other week some trouble the other the other week but I'm still making a lot of right but I'm still making a lot of right but I'm still making a lot of right decisions you know what I mean I'm not decisions you know what I mean I'm not decisions you know what I mean I'm not that it just sucks to be at this point that it just sucks to be at this point that it just sucks to be at this point to where I always saw those guys getting to where I always saw those guys getting to where I always saw those guys getting arrested and doing stuff and I was like arrested and doing stuff and I was like arrested and doing stuff and I was like man what an idiot what an idiot you know man what an idiot what an idiot you know man what an idiot what an idiot you know but I wasn't going through it then I but I wasn't going through it then I but I wasn't going through it then I didn't understand it didn't understand it didn't understand it >> at that time And alcohol has been a a >> at that time And alcohol has been a a >> at that time And alcohol has been a a constant through your childhood through constant through your childhood through constant through your childhood through your career your career your career >> for me drinking.

>> for me drinking. >> for me drinking. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, I mean I >> No, I mean I >> No, I mean I >> when you were younger >> when you were younger >> when you were younger >> celebrate when I was younger probably >> celebrate when I was younger probably >> celebrate when I was younger probably every weekend you know but every weekend you know but every weekend you know but >> as I became an adult and focused on >> as I became an adult and focused on >> as I became an adult and focused on fighting I went years without drinking. fighting I went years without drinking. fighting I went years without drinking. >> Okay. And then even now, well, as I when >> Okay. And then even now, well, as I when >> Okay. And then even now, well, as I when I retired, it slowly became more and I retired, it slowly became more and I retired, it slowly became more and more and more cuz I didn't not have, you more and more cuz I didn't not have, you more and more cuz I didn't not have, you know, when I was in training camp, I know, when I was in training camp, I know, when I was in training camp, I wasn't getting drunk and and drinking wasn't getting drunk and and drinking wasn't getting drunk and and drinking like that. I had to wake up the next day like that. I had to wake up the next day like that. I had to wake up the next day and run miles and be at the gym and make and run miles and be at the gym and make and run miles and be at the gym and make a weight and I was really focused. a weight and I was really focused. a weight and I was really focused. >> Um, but when I retired, I didn't have to >> Um, but when I retired, I didn't have to >> Um, but when I retired, I didn't have to anymore. So then it kind of started anymore. So then it kind of started anymore. So then it kind of started slipping back in. And even when I was slipping back in. And even when I was slipping back in. And even when I was fighting, you know, c celebrations, fighting, you know, c celebrations, fighting, you know, c celebrations, gatherings, I would drink. I would gatherings, I would drink. I would gatherings, I would drink. I would drink, but it wasn't a weekly. It wasn't drink, but it wasn't a weekly. It wasn't drink, but it wasn't a weekly. It wasn't a weekly or daily thing, but I've always a weekly or daily thing, but I've always a weekly or daily thing, but I've always had a bad relationship with alcohol. had a bad relationship with alcohol. had a bad relationship with alcohol. Like I've always Like I've always Like I've always 90% of the times if I do drink, I'm 90% of the times if I do drink, I'm 90% of the times if I do drink, I'm going to drink to be the best at going to drink to be the best at going to drink to be the best at drinking. drinking. drinking. >> I'm going to drink more than everybody. >> I'm going to drink more than everybody. >> I'm going to drink more than everybody. You know, that's the danger. It it can You know, that's the danger. It it can You know, that's the danger. It it can benefit you in other things that that benefit you in other things that that benefit you in other things that that drive and that craziness. You know, you drive and that craziness. You know, you drive and that craziness. You know, you can focus it on something and it'll can focus it on something and it'll can focus it on something and it'll benefit you or it can hurt you. You benefit you or it can hurt you. You benefit you or it can hurt you. You know, and that's that's the way I've know, and that's that's the way I've know, and that's that's the way I've always been. So I as learning learning always been. So I as learning learning always been. So I as learning learning myself over the years, I know, you know, myself over the years, I know, you know, myself over the years, I know, you know, to be careful with alcohol and going to be careful with alcohol and going to be careful with alcohol and going through mental things like I know through mental things like I know through mental things like I know especially when I'm feeling the way I especially when I'm feeling the way I especially when I'm feeling the way I felt that day to not touch it. But I felt that day to not touch it. But I felt that day to not touch it. But I just just just told that voice to shut up and I just told that voice to shut up and I just told that voice to shut up and I just drank and did what I wanted to do, you drank and did what I wanted to do, you drank and did what I wanted to do, you know, but I I know better. Um, as I got know, but I I know better. Um, as I got know, but I I know better. Um, as I got gotten older, it's gotten better, you

gotten older, it's gotten better, you gotten older, it's gotten better, you know, but until recently, know, but until recently, know, but until recently, >> I sat here with um a lady called Dr. >> I sat here with um a lady called Dr. >> I sat here with um a lady called Dr. Anna LMK. She's like a dopamine expert. Anna LMK. She's like a dopamine expert. Anna LMK. She's like a dopamine expert. Uh, Uh, Uh, >> and I actually didn't really know until >> and I actually didn't really know until >> and I actually didn't really know until she she sat here and explained it to me she she sat here and explained it to me she she sat here and explained it to me that um, alcohol gives you a big hit of that um, alcohol gives you a big hit of that um, alcohol gives you a big hit of dopamine. dopamine. dopamine. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She also said to me that um, sort of >> She also said to me that um, sort of >> She also said to me that um, sort of genetically, person to person, we all genetically, person to person, we all genetically, person to person, we all have a different vice. So, for example, have a different vice. So, for example, have a different vice. So, for example, she said that she got addicted to erotic she said that she got addicted to erotic she said that she got addicted to erotic novels. novels. novels. >> Now, another person would never get >> Now, another person would never get >> Now, another person would never get addicted to that. Um, some people's vice addicted to that. Um, some people's vice addicted to that. Um, some people's vice is alcohol. So, they they do what you is alcohol. So, they they do what you is alcohol. So, they they do what you describe, which is they have one and describe, which is they have one and describe, which is they have one and then it's just straight line up until then it's just straight line up until then it's just straight line up until >> Right. Yeah. other people like they can >> Right. Yeah. other people like they can >> Right. Yeah. other people like they can have one or two or three and it kind of have one or two or three and it kind of have one or two or three and it kind of plateau and they stop and they go home plateau and they stop and they go home plateau and they stop and they go home >> and I envy them. You know, I have my >> and I envy them. You know, I have my >> and I envy them. You know, I have my wife is like that. One of my good wife is like that. One of my good wife is like that. One of my good buddies is like that. They can have two buddies is like that. They can have two buddies is like that. They can have two drinks and be done. If I drink, we're drinks and be done. If I drink, we're drinks and be done. If I drink, we're drinking till the bottles gone. You drinking till the bottles gone. You drinking till the bottles gone. You know, that's know, that's know, that's no matter how many times in my life I've no matter how many times in my life I've no matter how many times in my life I've said it's going to be different this said it's going to be different this said it's going to be different this time. It's going to be, you know, I'm time. It's going to be, you know, I'm time. It's going to be, you know, I'm only going to have two. It It's never only going to have two. It It's never only going to have two. It It's never never worked out. So, coming back home, never worked out. So, coming back home, never worked out. So, coming back home, talking to my wife and stuff, uh, talking to my wife and stuff, uh, talking to my wife and stuff, uh, I'm going to cut alcohol completely out I'm going to cut alcohol completely out I'm going to cut alcohol completely out of my life. You know, I made that of my life. You know, I made that of my life. You know, I made that decision. I'm not going to be like my decision. I'm not going to be like my decision. I'm not going to be like my father or make another mistake like I father or make another mistake like I father or make another mistake like I made in the airport. It's just it's not made in the airport. It's just it's not made in the airport. It's just it's not helping me in any way. You know, it helping me in any way. You know, it helping me in any way. You know, it might be a quick release and a quick hit might be a quick release and a quick hit might be a quick release and a quick hit of dopamine, but it's not benefiting me of dopamine, but it's not benefiting me of dopamine, but it's not benefiting me in any way. So, I got to cut it off. Cut in any way. So, I got to cut it off. Cut in any way. So, I got to cut it off. Cut it off from my life.

it off from my life. it off from my life. >> It's not an easy thing to do >> It's not an easy thing to do >> It's not an easy thing to do >> with socializing and things like that. >> with socializing and things like that. >> with socializing and things like that. It's it's it's tougher to to be the It's it's it's tougher to to be the It's it's it's tougher to to be the sober one, but in everyday life, it's sober one, but in everyday life, it's sober one, but in everyday life, it's it's not hard it's not hard it's not hard >> for me. You know, I've I've never been >> for me. You know, I've I've never been >> for me. You know, I've I've never been an alcoholic. I just have a bad an alcoholic. I just have a bad an alcoholic. I just have a bad relationship if I do drink. relationship if I do drink. relationship if I do drink. >> So, cutting it out completely is, >> So, cutting it out completely is, >> So, cutting it out completely is, >> you know, not a big deal. >> you know, not a big deal. >> you know, not a big deal. >> So, so take me to that day then. You >> So, so take me to that day then. You >> So, so take me to that day then. You wake up, you go to you go to the wake up, you go to you go to the wake up, you go to you go to the airport, you're flying to Atlanta. airport, you're flying to Atlanta. airport, you're flying to Atlanta. You're going you're going somewhere. You're going you're going somewhere. You're going you're going somewhere. Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? >> Atlanta. I'm going to uh to South >> Atlanta. I'm going to uh to South >> Atlanta. I'm going to uh to South Florida. It was actually a three-le Florida. It was actually a three-le Florida. It was actually a three-le trip. I was supposed to go to South trip. I was supposed to go to South trip. I was supposed to go to South Florida for a day that afternoon, fly Florida for a day that afternoon, fly Florida for a day that afternoon, fly out, go to LA, out, go to LA, out, go to LA, >> shoot a commercial for 3 days from LA, >> shoot a commercial for 3 days from LA, >> shoot a commercial for 3 days from LA, Vegas, Vegas, Vegas, work for CBS work for CBS work for CBS for the weekend, for the weekend, for the weekend, and then fly home. So, it was a three it and then fly home. So, it was a three it and then fly home. So, it was a three it was a big trip. was a big trip. was a big trip. >> Yeah, three leg trip. >> Yeah, three leg trip. >> Yeah, three leg trip. We didn't We didn't even get the first We didn't We didn't even get the first We didn't We didn't even get the first leg. We didn't even get the first leg, leg. We didn't even get the first leg, leg. We didn't even get the first leg, man. man. man. >> There should be a button just down below >> There should be a button just down below >> There should be a button just down below here. And if it says subscribed, you're here. And if it says subscribed, you're here. And if it says subscribed, you're already subscribed. If it says already subscribed. If it says already subscribed. If it says subscriber, that means you're not yet.

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he did, you know, dealing with a person he did, you know, dealing with a person in that condition and how professional in that condition and how professional in that condition and how professional he was and, you know, he's incredible. he was and, you know, he's incredible. he was and, you know, he's incredible. It could have been so much worse. It It could have been so much worse. It It could have been so much worse. It could have been so much worse. I just could have been so much worse. I just could have been so much worse. I just want to thank him. I didn't get to do want to thank him. I didn't get to do want to thank him. I didn't get to do that. that. that. >> So, there's some kind of argument with >> So, there's some kind of argument with >> So, there's some kind of argument with the desk agents that you I'm guessing the desk agents that you I'm guessing the desk agents that you I'm guessing you can't recall. you can't recall. you can't recall. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> And then they say you're not getting on >> And then they say you're not getting on >> And then they say you're not getting on the flight. the flight. the flight. >> Yeah. And that leads to them calling >> Yeah. And that leads to them calling >> Yeah. And that leads to them calling >> the police. >> the police. >> the police. >> The security or police >> The security or police >> The security or police >> and the video we see is of the security >> and the video we see is of the security >> and the video we see is of the security guy coming in. guy coming in. guy coming in. >> The police officer. Yeah. >> The police officer. Yeah. >> The police officer. Yeah. >> You've watched the video, right? >> You've watched the video, right? >> You've watched the video, right? >> No. So, my wife watched it. A buddy of >> No. So, my wife watched it. A buddy of >> No. So, my wife watched it. A buddy of mine. I've kind of pieced it together at mine. I've kind of pieced it together at mine. I've kind of pieced it together at this point. I don't want to see it, man. this point. I don't want to see it, man. this point. I don't want to see it, man. >> You don't want to see it? >> You don't want to see it? >> You don't want to see it? >> I don't want to see it. >> I don't want to see it. >> I don't want to see it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I don't want to see it. Even when my >> I don't want to see it. Even when my >> I don't want to see it. Even when my wife started playing it and I heard it, wife started playing it and I heard it, wife started playing it and I heard it, she went watching the other room. And she went watching the other room. And she went watching the other room. And then I have a buddy I work out with 5 then I have a buddy I work out with 5 then I have a buddy I work out with 5 days a week. days a week. days a week. >> He's kind of between him and my wife, >> He's kind of between him and my wife, >> He's kind of between him and my wife, I've put the pieces together and pretty I've put the pieces together and pretty I've put the pieces together and pretty pretty much know the the extent of what pretty much know the the extent of what pretty much know the the extent of what happened. happened. happened. >> Why don't you want to watch it? >> Why don't you want to watch it? >> Why don't you want to watch it? >> I just don't want don't want to see it, >> I just don't want don't want to see it, >> I just don't want don't want to see it, man. man. man. >> Can you articulate why that is?

>> Can you articulate why that is? >> Can you articulate why that is? uh to see myself in that condition, uh to see myself in that condition, uh to see myself in that condition, disrespecting police officers, disrespecting police officers, disrespecting police officers, disrespecting uh workers at the airport, disrespecting uh workers at the airport, disrespecting uh workers at the airport, disrespecting myself, disrespect my disrespecting myself, disrespect my disrespecting myself, disrespect my family. I just don't feel like it's family. I just don't feel like it's family. I just don't feel like it's going to benefit me to see that. If going to benefit me to see that. If going to benefit me to see that. If anything, I think it's going to bring me anything, I think it's going to bring me anything, I think it's going to bring me down. It's going to I'm going to keep down. It's going to I'm going to keep down. It's going to I'm going to keep thinking about it. Uh I I like I said, thinking about it. Uh I I like I said, thinking about it. Uh I I like I said, for the most part, understand what for the most part, understand what for the most part, understand what happened, know what happened. I don't happened, know what happened. I don't happened, know what happened. I don't need to see it again, you know. need to see it again, you know. need to see it again, you know. So, in that video, you you seem to get So, in that video, you you seem to get So, in that video, you you seem to get aggressive quite quickly, and you you aggressive quite quickly, and you you aggressive quite quickly, and you you offered this um gentleman a fight. Um he offered this um gentleman a fight. Um he offered this um gentleman a fight. Um he kind of backs off. He knows who you are kind of backs off. He knows who you are kind of backs off. He knows who you are clearly straight away. clearly straight away. clearly straight away. >> He backs off. What I find interesting >> He backs off. What I find interesting >> He backs off. What I find interesting also is he pulls out his taser. He's also is he pulls out his taser. He's also is he pulls out his taser. He's going to he says, you might tase you, going to he says, you might tase you, going to he says, you might tase you, but as you walk away and you're but as you walk away and you're but as you walk away and you're arrested, you dap him up and you you you arrested, you dap him up and you you you arrested, you dap him up and you you you congratulate him on the job he did. congratulate him on the job he did. congratulate him on the job he did. >> Yeah. And my buddy was telling me that >> Yeah. And my buddy was telling me that >> Yeah. And my buddy was telling me that >> he he was telling me like his my buddy's >> he he was telling me like his my buddy's >> he he was telling me like his my buddy's wife thinks that's the best part of the wife thinks that's the best part of the wife thinks that's the best part of the video. video. video. >> It's the best part because it's funny >> It's the best part because it's funny >> It's the best part because it's funny because you're known as because you're known as because you're known as >> Yeah. So I didn't watch the video at >> Yeah. So I didn't watch the video at >> Yeah. So I didn't watch the video at all.

all. all. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I >> And I >> And I every day passing I be able to piece a every day passing I be able to piece a every day passing I be able to piece a little bit more together and memories little bit more together and memories little bit more together and memories kind of, you know, flashes of what kind of, you know, flashes of what kind of, you know, flashes of what happened are kind of playing in my head. happened are kind of playing in my head. happened are kind of playing in my head. But uh I I got home, deleted all my But uh I I got home, deleted all my But uh I I got home, deleted all my social. I posted that on Instagram. Then social. I posted that on Instagram. Then social. I posted that on Instagram. Then I uninstalled all social media off my I uninstalled all social media off my I uninstalled all social media off my phone. So I haven't since Father's or phone. So I haven't since Father's or phone. So I haven't since Father's or the day after Father's Day. I haven't the day after Father's Day. I haven't the day after Father's Day. I haven't been on anything. I haven't se I know been on anything. I haven't se I know been on anything. I haven't se I know they're making fun. I know they're they're making fun. I know they're they're making fun. I know they're talking about me. Obviously I've been in talking about me. Obviously I've been in talking about me. Obviously I've been in the light with being a professional the light with being a professional the light with being a professional athlete for a long time. I know how this athlete for a long time. I know how this athlete for a long time. I know how this goes. Um so I just uninstalled all my goes. Um so I just uninstalled all my goes. Um so I just uninstalled all my stuff. So I haven't seen any of the stuff. So I haven't seen any of the stuff. So I haven't seen any of the clips, any of the videos, any of clips, any of the videos, any of clips, any of the videos, any of anything, you know, besides what my wife anything, you know, besides what my wife anything, you know, besides what my wife and my buddy are are telling me. and my buddy are are telling me. and my buddy are are telling me. >> Your buddy that you train with? >> Your buddy that you train with? >> Your buddy that you train with? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, it was it was uh it was >> Yeah. Well, it was it was uh it was >> Yeah. Well, it was it was uh it was interesting because you you seemed as interesting because you you seemed as interesting because you you seemed as you walked away, you were quite polite. you walked away, you were quite polite. you walked away, you were quite polite. >> Yeah, that's what I I told him. I was >> Yeah, that's what I I told him. I was >> Yeah, that's what I I told him. I was like, maybe I realized what was going like, maybe I realized what was going like, maybe I realized what was going on, you know, maybe I had a aha moment on, you know, maybe I had a aha moment on, you know, maybe I had a aha moment like what the hell is what am I doing, like what the hell is what am I doing, like what the hell is what am I doing, you know, in that drunken stuper. I you know, in that drunken stuper. I you know, in that drunken stuper. I don't know. don't know. don't know. >> You said to him that he did a good job, >> You said to him that he did a good job, >> You said to him that he did a good job, >> right? Yeah.

>> right? Yeah. >> right? Yeah. >> Which was quite nice, >> right? And I >> right? And I looking back at it now looking back at it now looking back at it now with what they're what they're telling with what they're what they're telling with what they're what they're telling me and the way he handled it, he did a me and the way he handled it, he did a me and the way he handled it, he did a great job. You know, great job. You know, great job. You know, >> I need to thank him cuz like I said, it >> I need to thank him cuz like I said, it >> I need to thank him cuz like I said, it could have been so much worse. What if could have been so much worse. What if could have been so much worse. What if it was a young hotthead cop who wanted it was a young hotthead cop who wanted it was a young hotthead cop who wanted to be a superstar? I wanted to, you to be a superstar? I wanted to, you to be a superstar? I wanted to, you know, it could have been horrible. you know, it could have been horrible. you know, it could have been horrible. you know, I could be sitting here facing know, I could be sitting here facing know, I could be sitting here facing serious charges serious charges serious charges and just to put my wife and my children and just to put my wife and my children and just to put my wife and my children through that, you know, just, through that, you know, just, through that, you know, just, you know, it's not good. you know, it's not good. you know, it's not good. >> So, you went to jail that day? >> So, you went to jail that day? >> So, you went to jail that day? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You got charged with being drunken >> You got charged with being drunken >> You got charged with being drunken disorderly or intoxicated? disorderly or intoxicated? disorderly or intoxicated? >> No, they charged me with uh public >> No, they charged me with uh public >> No, they charged me with uh public intoxication. intoxication. intoxication. >> Okay. And they let you go the same day. >> Okay. And they let you go the same day. >> Okay. And they let you go the same day. >> Yeah. I spent like a night spent the >> Yeah. I spent like a night spent the >> Yeah. I spent like a night spent the night or the afternoon in jail until I night or the afternoon in jail until I night or the afternoon in jail until I sobered up. sobered up. sobered up. Then they release you on probation or Then they release you on probation or Then they release you on probation or something. something. something. >> I'm not on Well, >> I'm not on Well, >> I'm not on Well, >> what's it called? I don't know what the >> what's it called? I don't know what the >> what's it called? I don't know what the laws are here. laws are here. laws are here. >> I haven't been to court and all that >> I haven't been to court and all that >> I haven't been to court and all that stuff yet. So, they just know they on stuff yet. So, they just know they on stuff yet. So, they just know they on bond.

bond. bond. >> Okay. On bond. Okay. >> Okay. On bond. Okay. >> Okay. On bond. Okay. >> And that's when you go and you know >> And that's when you go and you know >> And that's when you go and you know after then go and you do the therapy after then go and you do the therapy after then go and you do the therapy session, you go and try and find your session, you go and try and find your session, you go and try and find your father. father. father. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All these trips are canceled, I'm >> All these trips are canceled, I'm >> All these trips are canceled, I'm guessing, at that point. guessing, at that point. guessing, at that point. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You have to go home and speak to your >> You have to go home and speak to your >> You have to go home and speak to your your wife. your wife. your wife. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Can't be easy. It wasn't fun for sure, >> Can't be easy. It wasn't fun for sure, >> Can't be easy. It wasn't fun for sure, you know, to let her down. And you know, to let her down. And you know, to let her down. And it's just been so long since I I don't it's just been so long since I I don't it's just been so long since I I don't even know how to even know how to even know how to address it really when I when I got address it really when I when I got address it really when I when I got home. I I haven't been in trouble. I home. I I haven't been in trouble. I home. I I haven't been in trouble. I haven't been arrested in so long, you haven't been arrested in so long, you haven't been arrested in so long, you know, decades and decades. I don't I know, decades and decades. I don't I know, decades and decades. I don't I don't even know when's the last time I don't even know when's the last time I don't even know when's the last time I got arrested. This is the first time in got arrested. This is the first time in got arrested. This is the first time in a in a very long time. a in a very long time. a in a very long time. But to go back and But to go back and But to go back and my my partner who's been with me through my my partner who's been with me through my my partner who's been with me through everything and and has grown with me everything and and has grown with me everything and and has grown with me through everything to go back and like through everything to go back and like through everything to go back and like see her face to face. see her face to face. see her face to face. Yeah. I just keep apologizing and it'll Yeah. I just keep apologizing and it'll Yeah. I just keep apologizing and it'll never happen again. never happen again. never happen again. >> If I'm a fly on the wall during that >> If I'm a fly on the wall during that >> If I'm a fly on the wall during that conversation when you get home, what do conversation when you get home, what do conversation when you get home, what do I observe?

me telling her it'll never happen, never me telling her it'll never happen, never happen again, and her telling me it can't happen again, her telling me it can't happen again, you know. Um, yeah, man. yeah, man. Telling her that I'm going to focus on Telling her that I'm going to focus on Telling her that I'm going to focus on myself and and be better from this. I myself and and be better from this. I myself and and be better from this. I know it sucks right now in the moment, know it sucks right now in the moment, know it sucks right now in the moment, but this decision, this arrest, this but this decision, this arrest, this but this decision, this arrest, this quit drinking for the rest of my life, quit drinking for the rest of my life, quit drinking for the rest of my life, it's going to benefit me and my kids in it's going to benefit me and my kids in it's going to benefit me and my kids in the future. So, things happen, you the future. So, things happen, you the future. So, things happen, you learn. Um, and that's just what it is. learn. Um, and that's just what it is. learn. Um, and that's just what it is. You know, You know, You know, >> you met uh Jolie when you were 14 years >> you met uh Jolie when you were 14 years >> you met uh Jolie when you were 14 years old. old. old. >> Younger. >> Younger. >> Younger. >> Younger. Really? >> Younger. Really? >> Younger. Really? >> Yeah. 14 is is like a freshman in high >> Yeah. 14 is is like a freshman in high >> Yeah. 14 is is like a freshman in high school. school. school. >> Mhm. We were dating >> Mhm. We were dating >> Mhm. We were dating uh in middle school uh in middle school uh in middle school >> and in many respects she's really um she >> and in many respects she's really um she >> and in many respects she's really um she sacrificed quite a lot for your a loter. sacrificed quite a lot for your a loter. sacrificed quite a lot for your a loter. >> A lot. She dropped out of college and >> A lot. She dropped out of college and >> A lot. She dropped out of college and moved me to South Florida moved me to South Florida moved me to South Florida uh for me to chase my dreams.

>> Cuz she was going to nursing school, >> Cuz she was going to nursing school, wasn't she? wasn't she? wasn't she? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I honestly don't think I would have And I honestly don't think I would have And I honestly don't think I would have made it to the point I made it to in in made it to the point I made it to in in made it to the point I made it to in in fighting if I didn't have an anchor like fighting if I didn't have an anchor like fighting if I didn't have an anchor like that at home. You know, man, she been my best friend for a long man, she been my best friend for a long time. Yeah. sort of go home after getting Yeah. sort of go home after getting arrested and speaking to her and like arrested and speaking to her and like arrested and speaking to her and like not only did I let myself down, but I not only did I let myself down, but I not only did I let myself down, but I have a family, you know, I have kids. Uh have a family, you know, I have kids. Uh have a family, you know, I have kids. Uh I let my family down, man. That's what I let my family down, man. That's what I let my family down, man. That's what hurts. hurts. hurts. >> This is another beautiful photo. >> This is another beautiful photo. >> This is another beautiful photo. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> the gang. >> the gang. >> the gang. >> That's them. Yeah, man. I let them down. Let myself Yeah, man. I let them down. Let myself down. But like I said, down. But like I said, down. But like I said, I'm going to learn from this and I'm going to learn from this and I'm going to learn from this and continue pushing forward and it will continue pushing forward and it will continue pushing forward and it will never happen again. Um, it's going to never happen again. Um, it's going to never happen again. Um, it's going to affect the trajectory of my whole life.

affect the trajectory of my whole life. affect the trajectory of my whole life. This one this one arrest, you know. My This one this one arrest, you know. My This one this one arrest, you know. My my son and my daughter is never going to my son and my daughter is never going to my son and my daughter is never going to grow up and see me intoxicated. They're grow up and see me intoxicated. They're grow up and see me intoxicated. They're never going to see me say things or do never going to see me say things or do never going to see me say things or do things I don't mean to do or mean to things I don't mean to do or mean to things I don't mean to do or mean to say, you know. So, like I said, it say, you know. So, like I said, it say, you know. So, like I said, it sucks, man. It's it's bad. Um, but it's sucks, man. It's it's bad. Um, but it's sucks, man. It's it's bad. Um, but it's going to benefit me and my family in the going to benefit me and my family in the going to benefit me and my family in the long run. So, it's just something that long run. So, it's just something that long run. So, it's just something that had to happen, I guess. had to happen, I guess. had to happen, I guess. >> So, she did she know what had happened >> So, she did she know what had happened >> So, she did she know what had happened before you got back from jail. before you got back from jail. before you got back from jail. >> Had she seen videos or >> Had she seen videos or >> Had she seen videos or >> No, no, no, no, >> No, no, no, no, >> No, no, no, no, >> she hadn't. >> she hadn't. >> she hadn't. >> No. Well, the police officer called her >> No. Well, the police officer called her >> No. Well, the police officer called her >> when I was in the in the holding cell >> when I was in the in the holding cell >> when I was in the in the holding cell and stuff. So, yeah, she knew what was and stuff. So, yeah, she knew what was and stuff. So, yeah, she knew what was going on. She didn't know in the moment going on. She didn't know in the moment going on. She didn't know in the moment if she probably knew a couple hours if she probably knew a couple hours if she probably knew a couple hours after, you know, once they booked me and after, you know, once they booked me and after, you know, once they booked me and all that. all that. all that. I've got 60 seconds and I'm going to I've got 60 seconds and I'm going to I've got 60 seconds and I'm going to show you how much I can get done because show you how much I can get done because show you how much I can get done because of our sponsor called Whisper Flow. And of our sponsor called Whisper Flow. And of our sponsor called Whisper Flow. And for those of you that don't know what it for those of you that don't know what it for those of you that don't know what it is, it's a business I invested in that is, it's a business I invested in that is, it's a business I invested in that turns your speech into text in any app turns your speech into text in any app turns your speech into text in any app or device. I'm going to post into our or device. I'm going to post into our or device. I'm going to post into our Slack channel which rewards whichever Slack channel which rewards whichever Slack channel which rewards whichever team member conducted the most team member conducted the most team member conducted the most experiments this week. Hi everyone. Here experiments this week. Hi everyone. Here experiments this week. Hi everyone. Here is this week's experimentter of the is this week's experimentter of the is this week's experimentter of the week. Congratulations to the DI ofo week. Congratulations to the DI ofo week. Congratulations to the DI ofo trailer team which is Aunt, Liv, Dom, trailer team which is Aunt, Liv, Dom, trailer team which is Aunt, Liv, Dom, and Cam. you guys have one. Okay, now and Cam. you guys have one. Okay, now and Cam. you guys have one. Okay, now I'm going to open Gmail. So, here is one I'm going to open Gmail. So, here is one I'm going to open Gmail. So, here is one of our founders on an email chain that I of our founders on an email chain that I of our founders on an email chain that I want to connect my team with. All I have want to connect my team with. All I have want to connect my team with. All I have to say is add my team's emails, and to say is add my team's emails, and to say is add my team's emails, and Whisper will do exactly that. Now, a Whisper will do exactly that. Now, a Whisper will do exactly that. Now, a quick message to Juan, who does my quick message to Juan, who does my quick message to Juan, who does my schedule every single week. Hey, Juan, schedule every single week. Hey, Juan, schedule every single week. Hey, Juan, can I record on Wednesday at 2 p.m.?

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some days, you know. some days, you know. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> well, that's what I'd say to you is, you >> well, that's what I'd say to you is, you >> well, that's what I'd say to you is, you know, you've not looked at the internet, know, you've not looked at the internet, know, you've not looked at the internet, but the internet has been heavily but the internet has been heavily but the internet has been heavily supportive of you. supportive of you. supportive of you. >> And, you know, my I think a lot of that >> And, you know, my I think a lot of that >> And, you know, my I think a lot of that probably is longtime fight fans and probably is longtime fight fans and probably is longtime fight fans and people who've been following my career a people who've been following my career a people who've been following my career a long time. You know, I grew up in long time. You know, I grew up in long time. You know, I grew up in fighting, so people got to watch me from fighting, so people got to watch me from fighting, so people got to watch me from a kid, you know, a kid, you know, a kid, you know, grow up. So they they know my character grow up. So they they know my character grow up. So they they know my character for the most part. It was a bad day. It for the most part. It was a bad day. It for the most part. It was a bad day. It wasn't, you know, it's not a bad life. I wasn't, you know, it's not a bad life. I wasn't, you know, it's not a bad life. I had I I messed up. I had a really bad had I I messed up. I had a really bad had I I messed up. I had a really bad day day day >> where I was angry at the world and >> where I was angry at the world and >> where I was angry at the world and obviously alcohol doesn't doesn't help obviously alcohol doesn't doesn't help obviously alcohol doesn't doesn't help that. And uh I really messed up. But that. And uh I really messed up. But that. And uh I really messed up. But people have seen me year after year and people have seen me year after year and people have seen me year after year and I I mean well and I really mean it and I I I mean well and I really mean it and I I I mean well and I really mean it and I think they they know it's authentic and think they they know it's authentic and think they they know it's authentic and >> but I am just a human being and I make >> but I am just a human being and I make >> but I am just a human being and I make mistakes. So, I think those fans, if mistakes. So, I think those fans, if mistakes. So, I think those fans, if people are sticking up for me, it's people are sticking up for me, it's people are sticking up for me, it's because they they know it's Dustin. because they they know it's Dustin. because they they know it's Dustin. Like, I'm going to he's going to shake Like, I'm going to he's going to shake Like, I'm going to he's going to shake back or he's going to, you know, turn back or he's going to, you know, turn back or he's going to, you know, turn this into a positive somehow. And that's this into a positive somehow. And that's this into a positive somehow. And that's my goal, you know. I don't want to let my goal, you know. I don't want to let my goal, you know. I don't want to let anybody else out there down. I'm trying anybody else out there down. I'm trying anybody else out there down. I'm trying my best. You know, I I have to take care my best. You know, I I have to take care my best. You know, I I have to take care of myself first. And I'm doing that the of myself first. And I'm doing that the of myself first. And I'm doing that the right steps. And that's that's just it.

right steps. And that's that's just it. right steps. And that's that's just it. I think the people who are standing up I think the people who are standing up I think the people who are standing up for me for me for me have watched me grow up, you know. Well, have watched me grow up, you know. Well, have watched me grow up, you know. Well, dare I say, I think that was the dare I say, I think that was the dare I say, I think that was the majority of the sentiment was that this majority of the sentiment was that this majority of the sentiment was that this is a good a good man who's who's is a good a good man who's who's is a good a good man who's who's struggling and it was people sending struggling and it was people sending struggling and it was people sending sympathy because because of that, but sympathy because because of that, but sympathy because because of that, but also because there's a couple of clips also because there's a couple of clips also because there's a couple of clips that went viral online of you speaking that went viral online of you speaking that went viral online of you speaking on both Theon's show and Joe Rogan's on both Theon's show and Joe Rogan's on both Theon's show and Joe Rogan's show. And so, in the in the in the wake show. And so, in the in the in the wake show. And so, in the in the in the wake of, you know, this clip going viral of of, you know, this clip going viral of of, you know, this clip going viral of you in the airport, these other clips go you in the airport, these other clips go you in the airport, these other clips go viral with them, which is viral with them, which is viral with them, which is >> Oh, you haven't seen it? Okay. Okay. I >> Oh, you haven't seen it? Okay. Okay. I >> Oh, you haven't seen it? Okay. Okay. I mean, obviously I did the I did the mean, obviously I did the I did the mean, obviously I did the I did the interviews or whatever you're talking interviews or whatever you're talking interviews or whatever you're talking about, so I said it. So, I'm sure if you about, so I said it. So, I'm sure if you about, so I said it. So, I'm sure if you showed it, I would remember, but I showed it, I would remember, but I showed it, I would remember, but I haven't seen what people are talking haven't seen what people are talking haven't seen what people are talking about. about. about. >> Well, this clip went viral at the same >> Well, this clip went viral at the same >> Well, this clip went viral at the same time. And this is what gave it context. time. And this is what gave it context. time. And this is what gave it context. >> Have to. Yeah. >> Have to. Yeah. >> Have to. Yeah. >> You just There's no If you get >> You just There's no If you get >> You just There's no If you get complacent or if you Why complacent or if you Why complacent or if you Why >> I'm like a It's honestly, bro, I'm a >> I'm like a It's honestly, bro, I'm a >> I'm like a It's honestly, bro, I'm a danger to myself when I'm have nothing. danger to myself when I'm have nothing. danger to myself when I'm have nothing. No goal circled on my calendar. I'm a No goal circled on my calendar. I'm a No goal circled on my calendar. I'm a danger to myself, man. danger to myself, man. danger to myself, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I beat I beat myself up mentally. >> Yeah. I beat I beat myself up mentally. >> Yeah. I beat I beat myself up mentally. I I'm home. I drink. I'm It's just not I I'm home. I drink. I'm It's just not I I'm home. I drink. I'm It's just not good. I have to have some kind of good. I have to have some kind of good. I have to have some kind of battle.

battle. battle. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> H And I've always been like that. But >> H And I've always been like that. But >> H And I've always been like that. But like as I'm getting older, I'm kind of like as I'm getting older, I'm kind of like as I'm getting older, I'm kind of recognizing recognizing recognizing >> Oh, you can see it more. >> Oh, you can see it more. >> Oh, you can see it more. >> Yeah. So, I kind of set set goals. So, I >> Yeah. So, I kind of set set goals. So, I >> Yeah. So, I kind of set set goals. So, I >> So, that clip went viral and there was a >> So, that clip went viral and there was a >> So, that clip went viral and there was a a clip just like it um of you on Dur a clip just like it um of you on Dur a clip just like it um of you on Dur Rogan, which is you saying almost Rogan, which is you saying almost Rogan, which is you saying almost identically the same thing identically the same thing identically the same thing >> which also went viral with it. >> which also went viral with it. >> which also went viral with it. >> So, this gave everybody context. >> So, this gave everybody context. >> So, this gave everybody context. >> And so, you see that and you go, "Okay, >> And so, you see that and you go, "Okay, >> And so, you see that and you go, "Okay, we understand." And I think we're now, we understand." And I think we're now, we understand." And I think we're now, you know, we're old enough, mature you know, we're old enough, mature you know, we're old enough, mature enough to understand that once a pro enough to understand that once a pro enough to understand that once a pro alete leaves the high octane, high alete leaves the high octane, high alete leaves the high octane, high adrenaline sport like UFC that your adrenaline sport like UFC that your adrenaline sport like UFC that your brain has changed brain has changed brain has changed >> for sure. >> for sure. >> for sure. >> And not least because of the dopamine, >> And not least because of the dopamine, >> And not least because of the dopamine, but also, you know, there's other but also, you know, there's other but also, you know, there's other reasons why there's there's head reasons why there's there's head reasons why there's there's head injuries are quite prevalent in the injuries are quite prevalent in the injuries are quite prevalent in the sport. So there was a huge amount of sport. So there was a huge amount of sport. So there was a huge amount of sympathy. I just wanted you to know that sympathy. I just wanted you to know that sympathy. I just wanted you to know that cuz I know you've not seen it but cuz I know you've not seen it but cuz I know you've not seen it but >> but I mean I still feel horrible but it >> but I mean I still feel horrible but it >> but I mean I still feel horrible but it you know and not even using fighting or you know and not even using fighting or you know and not even using fighting or head trauma or my homeless father or any head trauma or my homeless father or any head trauma or my homeless father or any of that stuff as an excuse. I just want of that stuff as an excuse. I just want of that stuff as an excuse. I just want to say that like I did these things. I to say that like I did these things. I to say that like I did these things. I know better. I know right and wrong. I know better. I know right and wrong. I know better. I know right and wrong. I don't want to lean on these as a crutch don't want to lean on these as a crutch don't want to lean on these as a crutch of of my actions. You know what I mean?

of of my actions. You know what I mean? of of my actions. You know what I mean? And the other the other clip that went, And the other the other clip that went, And the other the other clip that went, just so you know, just so because these just so you know, just so because these just so you know, just so because these this is you and Joe Rogan talking about this is you and Joe Rogan talking about this is you and Joe Rogan talking about similar thing. similar thing. similar thing. >> Want to show what I was talking about. >> Want to show what I was talking about. >> Want to show what I was talking about. It's like a gift and a curse, man. It's It's like a gift and a curse, man. It's It's like a gift and a curse, man. It's like you have to be all in at something. like you have to be all in at something. like you have to be all in at something. Those kind of people who are built like Those kind of people who are built like Those kind of people who are built like that. that. that. >> Whether it's fighting or drinking or >> Whether it's fighting or drinking or >> Whether it's fighting or drinking or whether it's good or bad, you're going whether it's good or bad, you're going whether it's good or bad, you're going all in. It's dangerous. all in. It's dangerous. all in. It's dangerous. >> The problem. Yeah. The problem is like >> The problem. Yeah. The problem is like >> The problem. Yeah. The problem is like what you see with Connor, when they what you see with Connor, when they what you see with Connor, when they don't have the fighting, then they go don't have the fighting, then they go don't have the fighting, then they go all in with the other things. all in with the other things. all in with the other things. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. Fighting was always for me always >> Right. Fighting was always for me always >> Right. Fighting was always for me always pulled everything together, you know. pulled everything together, you know. pulled everything together, you know. >> That's why like retiring is scary, man. >> That's why like retiring is scary, man. >> That's why like retiring is scary, man. Days are long. I have a lot of time. Days are long. I have a lot of time. Days are long. I have a lot of time. It's I don't have to get ready for a It's I don't have to get ready for a It's I don't have to get ready for a fight. I don't, you know, fight. I don't, you know, fight. I don't, you know, >> you're still a young man, too. You still >> you're still a young man, too. You still >> you're still a young man, too. You still have a whole lot of life ahead of you. have a whole lot of life ahead of you. have a whole lot of life ahead of you. I'm I'm I'm >> 37, man. >> 37, man. >> 37, man. >> Yeah. So, it makes you think like, what >> Yeah. So, it makes you think like, what >> Yeah. So, it makes you think like, what do I do now? What do I do with my do I do now? What do I do with my do I do now? What do I do with my future? What do I do? What do you want future? What do I do? What do you want future? What do I do? What do you want to do? to do? to do? >> Dude, I kind of got like for a week or >> Dude, I kind of got like for a week or >> Dude, I kind of got like for a week or so, I would say depressed, but I kind of so, I would say depressed, but I kind of so, I would say depressed, but I kind of got into like a funk like what the hell got into like a funk like what the hell got into like a funk like what the hell am I going to do with my life? Every day am I going to do with my life? Every day am I going to do with my life? Every day I would wake up for the last 20 years, I would wake up for the last 20 years, I would wake up for the last 20 years, how can I be better fighter? How can I how can I be better fighter? How can I how can I be better fighter? How can I what's new in fitness? How can I push what's new in fitness? How can I push what's new in fitness? How can I push myself? I want to be the champion. And myself? I want to be the champion. And myself? I want to be the champion. And then boom, you lay the gloves down and then boom, you lay the gloves down and then boom, you lay the gloves down and you wake up and you're a you wake up and you're a you wake up and you're a civilian.

civilian. civilian. >> And that's meant that you, you know, >> And that's meant that you, you know, >> And that's meant that you, you know, some of your your fellow fellow peers some of your your fellow fellow peers some of your your fellow fellow peers like Jon Jones have come out and said like Jon Jones have come out and said like Jon Jones have come out and said some really nice things and other some really nice things and other some really nice things and other fighters have come out and said some fighters have come out and said some fighters have come out and said some really nice things and sent their really nice things and sent their really nice things and sent their support and, you know, well wishes. support and, you know, well wishes. support and, you know, well wishes. >> I appreciate it. I'm I'm working on >> I appreciate it. I'm I'm working on >> I appreciate it. I'm I'm working on myself. I'm trying my best. myself. I'm trying my best. myself. I'm trying my best. >> Were you aware that John Jones had had >> Were you aware that John Jones had had >> Were you aware that John Jones had had done a post and stuff? My buddy Kyle done a post and stuff? My buddy Kyle done a post and stuff? My buddy Kyle said, the guy who I work out with every said, the guy who I work out with every said, the guy who I work out with every day I was talking about, he told me that day I was talking about, he told me that day I was talking about, he told me that Jon Jones came out and said something Jon Jones came out and said something Jon Jones came out and said something and it was positive. and it was positive. and it was positive. >> He said, uh, Matt Brown as well, a >> He said, uh, Matt Brown as well, a >> He said, uh, Matt Brown as well, a former fighter did a video. He said it former fighter did a video. He said it former fighter did a video. He said it was really nice and stuff. And I'm sure was really nice and stuff. And I'm sure was really nice and stuff. And I'm sure I'll see some of that stuff. I don't I'll see some of that stuff. I don't I'll see some of that stuff. I don't want to like you relive the moment that want to like you relive the moment that want to like you relive the moment that much. I don't want to keep like diving much. I don't want to keep like diving much. I don't want to keep like diving back, but when I do get back on social back, but when I do get back on social back, but when I do get back on social media or do start watching videos and media or do start watching videos and media or do start watching videos and stuff again, I'm sure I'm going to see stuff again, I'm sure I'm going to see stuff again, I'm sure I'm going to see some of it, you know? you know, and I some of it, you know? you know, and I some of it, you know? you know, and I appreciate everybody, but appreciate everybody, but appreciate everybody, but I'm I just I'm I just I'm I just it feels weird to, you know, I'm I'm not it feels weird to, you know, I'm I'm not it feels weird to, you know, I'm I'm not looking for for that for sympathy or for looking for for that for sympathy or for looking for for that for sympathy or for to make this okay. It's not okay, you to make this okay. It's not okay, you to make this okay. It's not okay, you know. know. know. >> You know, it's not. But I I think the >> You know, it's not. But I I think the >> You know, it's not. But I I think the reason I'm sort of really keen to tell reason I'm sort of really keen to tell reason I'm sort of really keen to tell you is once upon a time we didn't really you is once upon a time we didn't really you is once upon a time we didn't really understand mental health and so people understand mental health and so people understand mental health and so people were thought to be crazy or whatever were thought to be crazy or whatever were thought to be crazy or whatever when they acted out of character but I when they acted out of character but I when they acted out of character but I think the world has gotten to such a think the world has gotten to such a think the world has gotten to such a place now where we we think about place now where we we think about place now where we we think about context a bit more context a bit more context a bit more >> and this was really it was really nice >> and this was really it was really nice >> and this was really it was really nice to see for me um having done a little to see for me um having done a little to see for me um having done a little bit of background research as well to bit of background research as well to bit of background research as well to see that people's first reaction wasn't see that people's first reaction wasn't see that people's first reaction wasn't just to villainize somebody it was to just to villainize somebody it was to just to villainize somebody it was to understand people actually went, "Oh,

understand people actually went, "Oh, understand people actually went, "Oh, no. This is someone struggling with no. This is someone struggling with no. This is someone struggling with their mental health. It's not a bad their mental health. It's not a bad their mental health. It's not a bad person. It's a bad mental health person. It's a bad mental health person. It's a bad mental health situation." Um, which I've actually not situation." Um, which I've actually not situation." Um, which I've actually not really seen before, which was, as I say, really seen before, which was, as I say, really seen before, which was, as I say, it was really nice. But I know you I it was really nice. But I know you I it was really nice. But I know you I know what you're saying. You're saying know what you're saying. You're saying know what you're saying. You're saying you don't want to blame anything, right? you don't want to blame anything, right? you don't want to blame anything, right? I don't want to blame anything or have a I don't want to blame anything or have a I don't want to blame anything or have a crutch to lean on about my actions, crutch to lean on about my actions, crutch to lean on about my actions, about what happened. You know, I did it. about what happened. You know, I did it. about what happened. You know, I did it. you know, I'm not not blaming it on you know, I'm not not blaming it on you know, I'm not not blaming it on mental health or anything like that, mental health or anything like that, mental health or anything like that, even though I'm focusing on that now. even though I'm focusing on that now. even though I'm focusing on that now. You know, I I did I You know, I I did I You know, I I did I did that. I decided to drink that day did that. I decided to drink that day did that. I decided to drink that day when I wasn't feeling well. It's it's when I wasn't feeling well. It's it's when I wasn't feeling well. It's it's all on me. all on me. all on me. >> So, is it kind of a bit of a roller >> So, is it kind of a bit of a roller >> So, is it kind of a bit of a roller coaster in your world post fighting in coaster in your world post fighting in coaster in your world post fighting in terms of your mental health? Is it ups terms of your mental health? Is it ups terms of your mental health? Is it ups and downs and ups and downs? and downs and ups and downs? and downs and ups and downs? >> Yeah, big time. >> Yeah, big time. >> Yeah, big time. >> And what is the >> And what is the >> And what is the >> Some days I wake up and I feel like I >> Some days I wake up and I feel like I >> Some days I wake up and I feel like I made the right decision, you know? Uh, I made the right decision, you know? Uh, I made the right decision, you know? Uh, I need to be home. I need to be doing need to be home. I need to be doing need to be home. I need to be doing things around the house. I need to be things around the house. I need to be things around the house. I need to be here every day with my kids making the here every day with my kids making the here every day with my kids making the breakfast. And then some days I wake up breakfast. And then some days I wake up breakfast. And then some days I wake up and I'm like, "What the am I doing?

and I'm like, "What the am I doing? and I'm like, "What the am I doing? I can beat all these guys still, you I can beat all these guys still, you I can beat all these guys still, you know? I can still beat these guys, but I know? I can still beat these guys, but I know? I can still beat these guys, but I don't know if that ever leaves. I might don't know if that ever leaves. I might don't know if that ever leaves. I might be 60-year-old having coffee one day be 60-year-old having coffee one day be 60-year-old having coffee one day saying the same thing. I can beat these saying the same thing. I can beat these saying the same thing. I can beat these guys. I don't know if that's just a guys. I don't know if that's just a guys. I don't know if that's just a competitive spirit. I don't know if competitive spirit. I don't know if competitive spirit. I don't know if that's just fighting your whole life. I that's just fighting your whole life. I that's just fighting your whole life. I don't I don't know. But I these top guys don't I don't know. But I these top guys don't I don't know. But I these top guys that are winning now and and fighting that are winning now and and fighting that are winning now and and fighting now on these upcoming cards, I can I can now on these upcoming cards, I can I can now on these upcoming cards, I can I can beat them still. I know I can. And then I wake up the I know I can. And then I wake up the next day and I'm like, "Ah, good thing I next day and I'm like, "Ah, good thing I next day and I'm like, "Ah, good thing I don't have to fight these guys anymore." don't have to fight these guys anymore." don't have to fight these guys anymore." Then the next day it's like, I can I can Then the next day it's like, I can I can Then the next day it's like, I can I can be the world champion. You know, it's be the world champion. You know, it's be the world champion. You know, it's it's just up and down every day. it's just up and down every day. it's just up and down every day. And how does your your mental health And how does your your mental health And how does your your mental health sort of correlate to those ups and those sort of correlate to those ups and those sort of correlate to those ups and those um thoughts? um thoughts? um thoughts? >> Even though I have those days where I >> Even though I have those days where I >> Even though I have those days where I want to fight and think I made the right want to fight and think I made the right want to fight and think I made the right decision, my mental health has been decision, my mental health has been decision, my mental health has been pretty even. You know, up until pretty even. You know, up until pretty even. You know, up until recently, I I haven't been worried about recently, I I haven't been worried about recently, I I haven't been worried about myself or having to myself or having to myself or having to go to my journal and sit in the morning go to my journal and sit in the morning go to my journal and sit in the morning and have coffee like I've been doing and have coffee like I've been doing and have coffee like I've been doing this last week, you know. But I when I this last week, you know. But I when I this last week, you know. But I when I do start feeling 100% normal, okay do start feeling 100% normal, okay do start feeling 100% normal, okay again, I need to continue to do those again, I need to continue to do those again, I need to continue to do those things, you know? I can't I can't things, you know? I can't I can't things, you know? I can't I can't stop because I feel good. It's it's a stop because I feel good. It's it's a stop because I feel good. It's it's a constant. It something's going on with constant. It something's going on with constant. It something's going on with my brain. Like I have to practice these my brain. Like I have to practice these my brain. Like I have to practice these these things every day. And now being these things every day. And now being these things every day. And now being removed from the incident, removed from removed from the incident, removed from removed from the incident, removed from my three years ago when I felt really my three years ago when I felt really my three years ago when I felt really bad and I was in the dark place, I'm

bad and I was in the dark place, I'm bad and I was in the dark place, I'm realizing that like it's it's not a realizing that like it's it's not a realizing that like it's it's not a Eureka moment where you're fixed. You Eureka moment where you're fixed. You Eureka moment where you're fixed. You got to this is everyday work for the got to this is everyday work for the got to this is everyday work for the rest of your life most likely. I'm rest of your life most likely. I'm rest of your life most likely. I'm pretty sure. pretty sure. pretty sure. >> Was it just the last week or was it you >> Was it just the last week or was it you >> Was it just the last week or was it you said in recent times? said in recent times? said in recent times? >> In recent times that was like the >> In recent times that was like the >> In recent times that was like the the boiling point on Father's Day. Um, the boiling point on Father's Day. Um, the boiling point on Father's Day. Um, but there's been days. Yeah. There's but there's been days. Yeah. There's but there's been days. Yeah. There's been days where I've not expressed to my been days where I've not expressed to my been days where I've not expressed to my wife how I'm feeling and I was feeling wife how I'm feeling and I was feeling wife how I'm feeling and I was feeling down or down or down or >> the last two months. >> the last two months. >> the last two months. >> Couple few months. Yeah. There's good >> Couple few months. Yeah. There's good >> Couple few months. Yeah. There's good days, bad days, you know, days, bad days, you know, days, bad days, you know, >> where you haven't expressed to your wife >> where you haven't expressed to your wife >> where you haven't expressed to your wife how you're feeling. how you're feeling. how you're feeling. >> Yeah. Some days I will tell her, but >> Yeah. Some days I will tell her, but >> Yeah. Some days I will tell her, but some days I I don't, you know, I just some days I I don't, you know, I just some days I I don't, you know, I just continue to go along my day and, you continue to go along my day and, you continue to go along my day and, you know, so I don't want to be that guy to know, so I don't want to be that guy to know, so I don't want to be that guy to where I wake up and my wife's worried where I wake up and my wife's worried where I wake up and my wife's worried about how I'm feeling that day. wake, about how I'm feeling that day. wake, about how I'm feeling that day. wake, you know, I don't want her worrying you know, I don't want her worrying you know, I don't want her worrying about me like that. I wonder who who's about me like that. I wonder who who's about me like that. I wonder who who's waking up today is is depressed is upset waking up today is is depressed is upset waking up today is is depressed is upset Dustin waking up today or is this my Dustin waking up today or is this my Dustin waking up today or is this my normal husband I'm waking up to? I don't normal husband I'm waking up to? I don't normal husband I'm waking up to? I don't want to worry her. So some days, you want to worry her. So some days, you want to worry her. So some days, you know, if I'm feeling really bad, which know, if I'm feeling really bad, which know, if I'm feeling really bad, which hasn't been that often lately, I'll tell hasn't been that often lately, I'll tell hasn't been that often lately, I'll tell her I'm, you know, today I'm not feeling her I'm, you know, today I'm not feeling her I'm, you know, today I'm not feeling that well. I don't want my daughter that well. I don't want my daughter that well. I don't want my daughter coming in the in the bedroom, you know, coming in the in the bedroom, you know, coming in the in the bedroom, you know, why is that staying in bed all day? You why is that staying in bed all day? You why is that staying in bed all day? You know, I don't want to tell her again know, I don't want to tell her again know, I don't want to tell her again that I'm not feeling good today. You that I'm not feeling good today. You that I'm not feeling good today. You know, she doesn't understand. and I have know, she doesn't understand. and I have know, she doesn't understand. and I have a she's about to be 10 years old. She a she's about to be 10 years old. She a she's about to be 10 years old. She she can't comprehend what's going on. I she can't comprehend what's going on. I she can't comprehend what's going on. I can barely comprehend it, you know. So, can barely comprehend it, you know. So, can barely comprehend it, you know. So, to keep them more on a steady day-to-day to keep them more on a steady day-to-day to keep them more on a steady day-to-day thing, if if it's just slightly I'm kind

thing, if if it's just slightly I'm kind thing, if if it's just slightly I'm kind of feeling a little bit off today, I of feeling a little bit off today, I of feeling a little bit off today, I just suck it up and go about, just suck it up and go about, just suck it up and go about, you know, my business. you know, my business. you know, my business. >> But there will be days where you you >> But there will be days where you you >> But there will be days where you you stay in bed all day. stay in bed all day. stay in bed all day. >> There has been. Yeah. >> There has been. Yeah. >> There has been. Yeah. And you try and sort of avoid the And you try and sort of avoid the And you try and sort of avoid the conversation with like your daughter. conversation with like your daughter. conversation with like your daughter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's not It's not often, but it happens. >> It's not It's not often, but it happens. >> It's not It's not often, but it happens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you find that if you don't talk about >> Do you find that if you don't talk about >> Do you find that if you don't talk about it, it kind of comes out in other ways? it, it kind of comes out in other ways? it, it kind of comes out in other ways? Cuz I Cuz I Cuz I >> Well, you battle it up so long until it >> Well, you battle it up so long until it >> Well, you battle it up so long until it finds a way out, you know? finds a way out, you know? finds a way out, you know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which kind of brings us to the airport >> Which kind of brings us to the airport >> Which kind of brings us to the airport incident, I guess. incident, I guess. incident, I guess. >> Could could be >> Could could be >> Could could be >> to some degree, >> to some degree, >> to some degree, >> right? But even the airport incident, >> right? But even the airport incident, >> right? But even the airport incident, those days leading up, even if I did those days leading up, even if I did those days leading up, even if I did have an off day, uh I didn't feel like have an off day, uh I didn't feel like have an off day, uh I didn't feel like it was that that bad, that serious, that it was that that bad, that serious, that it was that that bad, that serious, that dangerous to myself or anybody else, you dangerous to myself or anybody else, you dangerous to myself or anybody else, you know? I really didn't feel like that. >> It's an interesting thing. I've I've >> It's an interesting thing. I've I've often actually contended with when I'm often actually contended with when I'm often actually contended with when I'm having like bad moments, do I tell my having like bad moments, do I tell my having like bad moments, do I tell my partner so I can really relate to the partner so I can really relate to the partner so I can really relate to the feeling? Cuz in part, I think as a as a feeling? Cuz in part, I think as a as a feeling? Cuz in part, I think as a as a man sometimes you want to be you have it man sometimes you want to be you have it man sometimes you want to be you have it within you that you need to be strong within you that you need to be strong within you that you need to be strong and steady. Especially with like my and steady. Especially with like my and steady. Especially with like my fiance, I'm like I have to be strong and fiance, I'm like I have to be strong and fiance, I'm like I have to be strong and steady. So if I'm having a bad day or steady. So if I'm having a bad day or steady. So if I'm having a bad day or whatever, I I feel like I have to keep whatever, I I feel like I have to keep whatever, I I feel like I have to keep it to myself. But then it always finds a it to myself. But then it always finds a it to myself. But then it always finds a way out and it hurts her like it will way out and it hurts her like it will way out and it hurts her like it will hurt the relationship.

hurt the relationship. hurt the relationship. >> So actually I think with with age I've >> So actually I think with with age I've >> So actually I think with with age I've gone actually to avoid all problems be gone actually to avoid all problems be gone actually to avoid all problems be honest as fast as you can. honest as fast as you can. honest as fast as you can. >> Right. Yeah. Honesty is always the best. >> Right. Yeah. Honesty is always the best. >> Right. Yeah. Honesty is always the best. >> It's always the best. Is that kind of >> It's always the best. Is that kind of >> It's always the best. Is that kind of how you feel as well with it or is it a how you feel as well with it or is it a how you feel as well with it or is it a similar? I mean, similar? I mean, similar? I mean, >> for the most part, I I am really open >> for the most part, I I am really open >> for the most part, I I am really open and honest, but like if I'm just kind of and honest, but like if I'm just kind of and honest, but like if I'm just kind of feeling off and it's for me to I know feeling off and it's for me to I know feeling off and it's for me to I know you don't understand what that what that you don't understand what that what that you don't understand what that what that means or maybe you have something you means or maybe you have something you means or maybe you have something you can link it to when you feel kind of can link it to when you feel kind of can link it to when you feel kind of just like today's not just like today's not just like today's not >> not my day. If I'm feeling off, I'll let >> not my day. If I'm feeling off, I'll let >> not my day. If I'm feeling off, I'll let her know. I've been pretty honest. But her know. I've been pretty honest. But her know. I've been pretty honest. But like I said, if it's just slight like like I said, if it's just slight like like I said, if it's just slight like I'm just not feeling right, I won't if I'm just not feeling right, I won't if I'm just not feeling right, I won't if it's slight, I won't I won't even bring it's slight, I won't I won't even bring it's slight, I won't I won't even bring it up. I got to be a dad and continue to it up. I got to be a dad and continue to it up. I got to be a dad and continue to do things every day and stuff like that. do things every day and stuff like that. do things every day and stuff like that. But if I'm feeling really down to where But if I'm feeling really down to where But if I'm feeling really down to where I don't even want to leave the house at I don't even want to leave the house at I don't even want to leave the house at all and stuff, you know, I'll let my all and stuff, you know, I'll let my all and stuff, you know, I'll let my wife know. wife know. wife know. >> On this point of purpose, when you were >> On this point of purpose, when you were >> On this point of purpose, when you were talking to Thea and Joe, it was you were talking to Thea and Joe, it was you were talking to Thea and Joe, it was you were saying that, you know, the purpose you saying that, you know, the purpose you saying that, you know, the purpose you had for 20 years has now gone. So in its had for 20 years has now gone. So in its had for 20 years has now gone. So in its place, you kind of need to find place, you kind of need to find place, you kind of need to find something else. You need to figure out something else. You need to figure out something else. You need to figure out what what's in its place. How are you what what's in its place. How are you what what's in its place. How are you thinking about that today?

thinking about that today? thinking about that today? >> I retired at 36 years old. That's young >> I retired at 36 years old. That's young >> I retired at 36 years old. That's young to, you know, like I said, the days are to, you know, like I said, the days are to, you know, like I said, the days are long. I have all day every day to I need long. I have all day every day to I need long. I have all day every day to I need to stay busy and that's what I have been to stay busy and that's what I have been to stay busy and that's what I have been doing, you know, working with CBS, doing, you know, working with CBS, doing, you know, working with CBS, working with uh the podcast we have down working with uh the podcast we have down working with uh the podcast we have down in South Florida every Monday. I've just in South Florida every Monday. I've just in South Florida every Monday. I've just been trying to saying yes to as much been trying to saying yes to as much been trying to saying yes to as much stuff as I can. So, I'm don't have time stuff as I can. So, I'm don't have time stuff as I can. So, I'm don't have time to sit back and think. And that could to sit back and think. And that could to sit back and think. And that could have been my demise as well. Maybe I was have been my demise as well. Maybe I was have been my demise as well. Maybe I was being too busy. Maybe I wasn't focusing being too busy. Maybe I wasn't focusing being too busy. Maybe I wasn't focusing on my mental health and myself as much. on my mental health and myself as much. on my mental health and myself as much. You know, it's easy to get lost in these You know, it's easy to get lost in these You know, it's easy to get lost in these whirlwinds of busy and be here, be whirlwinds of busy and be here, be whirlwinds of busy and be here, be there. You know, life just moves so fast there. You know, life just moves so fast there. You know, life just moves so fast sometimes. sometimes. sometimes. Do you have a plan for for for what you Do you have a plan for for for what you Do you have a plan for for for what you want to commit yourself to? You're 37 want to commit yourself to? You're 37 want to commit yourself to? You're 37 now, right? now, right? now, right? >> So, I mean, you got another 50 50 years >> So, I mean, you got another 50 50 years >> So, I mean, you got another 50 50 years ahead of you to to climb other mountains ahead of you to to climb other mountains ahead of you to to climb other mountains potentially, potentially, potentially, >> right? No, I don't have anything locked >> right? No, I don't have anything locked >> right? No, I don't have anything locked like locked down what I'm going to do like locked down what I'm going to do like locked down what I'm going to do exactly what I'm going to focus exactly what I'm going to focus exactly what I'm going to focus everything on, but I need to find everything on, but I need to find everything on, but I need to find something, man. something, man. something, man. >> Has there ever been anything that >> Has there ever been anything that >> Has there ever been anything that compared? compared? compared? >> No, nothing ever will nothing. I have a >> No, nothing ever will nothing. I have a >> No, nothing ever will nothing. I have a void inside of me that nothing will, you void inside of me that nothing will, you void inside of me that nothing will, you know, being a father is very fulfilling know, being a father is very fulfilling know, being a father is very fulfilling and and I love it and it it's it's and and I love it and it it's it's and and I love it and it it's it's rewarding and I actually enjoy it, but rewarding and I actually enjoy it, but rewarding and I actually enjoy it, but nothing fills that void of what fighting nothing fills that void of what fighting nothing fills that void of what fighting was in my life. You know, I haven't was in my life. You know, I haven't was in my life. You know, I haven't found anything yet. I don't think there found anything yet. I don't think there found anything yet. I don't think there is.

is. is. >> You don't think there is? I just don't >> You don't think there is? I just don't >> You don't think there is? I just don't know what's going to consume me and take know what's going to consume me and take know what's going to consume me and take all of myself the way fighting did. You all of myself the way fighting did. You all of myself the way fighting did. You know, I woke up thinking about it. I know, I woke up thinking about it. I know, I woke up thinking about it. I went to sleep thinking about it. I It went to sleep thinking about it. I It went to sleep thinking about it. I It was my life, man. I cared so much about it, man. I was in I cared so much about it, man. I was in love with it. love with it. love with it. >> You can still play a role in the >> You can still play a role in the >> You can still play a role in the industry though. No. industry though. No. industry though. No. >> Yeah. And that's what And that's what I >> Yeah. And that's what And that's what I >> Yeah. And that's what And that's what I thought I was, you know, was a good thought I was, you know, was a good thought I was, you know, was a good avenue. That's what I was trying to do. avenue. That's what I was trying to do. avenue. That's what I was trying to do. That was my goal after fighting is I That was my goal after fighting is I That was my goal after fighting is I want to stick around the sport want to stick around the sport want to stick around the sport whether I'm on the desk broadcast or whether I'm on the desk broadcast or whether I'm on the desk broadcast or with the podcast. Anything pertaining to with the podcast. Anything pertaining to with the podcast. Anything pertaining to the sport where I can talk about it, you the sport where I can talk about it, you the sport where I can talk about it, you know, be around the sport that's given know, be around the sport that's given know, be around the sport that's given me everything I have and taught me so me everything I have and taught me so me everything I have and taught me so many lessons in life. I I just want to many lessons in life. I I just want to many lessons in life. I I just want to be around it speaking about it, be on be around it speaking about it, be on be around it speaking about it, be on the mats, helping younger fighters, the mats, helping younger fighters, the mats, helping younger fighters, whatever, you know, and I was doing and whatever, you know, and I was doing and whatever, you know, and I was doing and I was doing that when I retired, you I was doing that when I retired, you I was doing that when I retired, you know. know. know. >> I'm still doing it. >> I'm still doing it. >> I'm still doing it. >> But it's not the It's not the same.

>> But it's not the It's not the same. >> But it's not the It's not the same. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> How does it compare as a percentage? Is >> How does it compare as a percentage? Is >> How does it compare as a percentage? Is it 20% the way there, 50% the way there? it 20% the way there, 50% the way there? it 20% the way there, 50% the way there? Or Or Or >> probably closer to 20. It's not It's not >> probably closer to 20. It's not It's not >> probably closer to 20. It's not It's not even 50. No. even 50. No. even 50. No. >> Have you spoken to other fighters who >> Have you spoken to other fighters who >> Have you spoken to other fighters who have expressed the exact same sentiment have expressed the exact same sentiment have expressed the exact same sentiment that like fighting was the the Mount that like fighting was the the Mount that like fighting was the the Mount Everest for me and I don't know what to Everest for me and I don't know what to Everest for me and I don't know what to do next? do next? do next? >> Not really to that to that exact point, >> Not really to that to that exact point, >> Not really to that to that exact point, but other fighters have reached out and but other fighters have reached out and but other fighters have reached out and said, "Hey, you know, I'm I'm all ears said, "Hey, you know, I'm I'm all ears said, "Hey, you know, I'm I'm all ears if you ever want to talk about it." But if you ever want to talk about it." But if you ever want to talk about it." But I went through it as well. You know, I went through it as well. You know, I went through it as well. You know, laying the gloves down isn't as easy as laying the gloves down isn't as easy as laying the gloves down isn't as easy as you think. You know, people who I look you think. You know, people who I look you think. You know, people who I look up to you have reached out to me and and up to you have reached out to me and and up to you have reached out to me and and uh I never took anybody up on it. You uh I never took anybody up on it. You uh I never took anybody up on it. You know, I've never started speaking to know, I've never started speaking to know, I've never started speaking to other fighters about what they do to get other fighters about what they do to get other fighters about what they do to get past and I should, you know, it's all past and I should, you know, it's all past and I should, you know, it's all it's my my doing, you know, it's my my doing, you know, it's my my doing, you know, >> cuz it's not it's not a new problem, is >> cuz it's not it's not a new problem, is >> cuz it's not it's not a new problem, is it? it? it? >> No, this is >> No, this is >> No, this is >> everyone but lots of people have >> everyone but lots of people have >> everyone but lots of people have expressed, expressed, expressed, >> right? And it's not just a new problem >> right? And it's not just a new problem >> right? And it's not just a new problem with fighting. It's a new problem, I with fighting. It's a new problem, I with fighting. It's a new problem, I think, with a lot of athletes, you know, think, with a lot of athletes, you know, think, with a lot of athletes, you know, who've done it for a long time and who've done it for a long time and who've done it for a long time and reached the pinnacle. and you know when reached the pinnacle. and you know when reached the pinnacle. and you know when it's over it's over it's over you know you have a lot of life left to you know you have a lot of life left to you know you have a lot of life left to live.

live. live. >> I've heard similar sentiments expressed >> I've heard similar sentiments expressed >> I've heard similar sentiments expressed from some of my friends that were in the from some of my friends that were in the from some of my friends that were in the military and then left the military 36 military and then left the military 36 military and then left the military 36 37 years old and it's like that was 37 years old and it's like that was 37 years old and it's like that was their Everest that was also the their Everest that was also the their Everest that was also the camaraderie that they had being in camp camaraderie that they had being in camp camaraderie that they had being in camp and uh being in in on base and stuff and uh being in in on base and stuff and uh being in in on base and stuff like that and going away being deployed like that and going away being deployed like that and going away being deployed and then they come back and they're a and then they come back and they're a and then they come back and they're a civilian all of a sudden. Right. civilian all of a sudden. Right. civilian all of a sudden. Right. >> It's difficult. >> It's difficult. >> It's difficult. >> Yeah, man. But that's life. Life's >> Yeah, man. But that's life. Life's >> Yeah, man. But that's life. Life's difficult you know. just difficult you know. just difficult you know. just got to figure something else out, you got to figure something else out, you got to figure something else out, you know, got to figure solve a new puzzle. know, got to figure solve a new puzzle. know, got to figure solve a new puzzle. It's just life keeps going. It's just life keeps going. It's just life keeps going. >> You were going off to work when you were >> You were going off to work when you were >> You were going off to work when you were caught up in this airport incident. caught up in this airport incident. caught up in this airport incident. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How are you thinking about work >> How are you thinking about work >> How are you thinking about work prospects and stuff like that prospects and stuff like that prospects and stuff like that considering all that swirling around at considering all that swirling around at considering all that swirling around at the moment and all these things? the moment and all these things? the moment and all these things? >> Worried about losing everything I've >> Worried about losing everything I've >> Worried about losing everything I've been working on, you know, that been working on, you know, that been working on, you know, that is a possibility as well, you know. is a possibility as well, you know. is a possibility as well, you know. um um um like post fighting when I retired, all like post fighting when I retired, all like post fighting when I retired, all the stuff that I've been doing, all the the stuff that I've been doing, all the the stuff that I've been doing, all the the desk work that me focusing on the desk work that me focusing on the desk work that me focusing on getting better at all that stuff. I'm getting better at all that stuff. I'm getting better at all that stuff. I'm like, did I just ruin everything that I like, did I just ruin everything that I like, did I just ruin everything that I that I was working for, you know? I that I was working for, you know? I that I was working for, you know? I don't know yet.

don't know yet. don't know yet. It's still too too early to really have It's still too too early to really have It's still too too early to really have those answers, I think. those answers, I think. those answers, I think. >> Have you got like sponsors and stuff >> Have you got like sponsors and stuff >> Have you got like sponsors and stuff like that, or is it just your partners like that, or is it just your partners like that, or is it just your partners where you do guest work and podcasts and where you do guest work and podcasts and where you do guest work and podcasts and stuff like that? stuff like that? stuff like that? >> No, I have a bunch of sponsors. >> No, I have a bunch of sponsors. >> No, I have a bunch of sponsors. >> Yeah. and they've been understanding. >> Yeah. and they've been understanding. >> Yeah. and they've been understanding. >> It's kind of murky right now. I think >> It's kind of murky right now. I think >> It's kind of murky right now. I think it's still too fresh. I know uh one big it's still too fresh. I know uh one big it's still too fresh. I know uh one big one isn't a sponsor anymore. one isn't a sponsor anymore. one isn't a sponsor anymore. >> Oh, you lost a sponsor. >> Oh, you lost a sponsor. >> Oh, you lost a sponsor. >> Oh, yeah. I'm I'm sure I lost a few. I'm >> Oh, yeah. I'm I'm sure I lost a few. I'm >> Oh, yeah. I'm I'm sure I lost a few. I'm waiting to see when the smoke clears waiting to see when the smoke clears waiting to see when the smoke clears who's still with me or not. That day who's still with me or not. That day who's still with me or not. That day cost me not only embarrassment and cost me not only embarrassment and cost me not only embarrassment and embarrassment to my family, uh it cost embarrassment to my family, uh it cost embarrassment to my family, uh it cost me a lot of money, too. you know, me a lot of money, too. you know, me a lot of money, too. you know, I'm I'm losing sponsors. I'm losing gigs I'm I'm losing sponsors. I'm losing gigs I'm I'm losing sponsors. I'm losing gigs and losing things that I had set up. You and losing things that I had set up. You and losing things that I had set up. You know, know, know, >> you're losing gigs you had set up in the >> you're losing gigs you had set up in the >> you're losing gigs you had set up in the future as well. future as well. future as well. >> Well, we'll see. >> Well, we'll see. >> Well, we'll see. Obviously, the gigs, the three things I Obviously, the gigs, the three things I Obviously, the gigs, the three things I was supposed to do that that week was supposed to do that that week was supposed to do that that week are are gone. And then a big sponsor of are are gone. And then a big sponsor of are are gone. And then a big sponsor of mine is gone because of it. mine is gone because of it. mine is gone because of it. >> And of the um of the comm the >> And of the um of the comm the >> And of the um of the comm the professional commitments you have coming professional commitments you have coming professional commitments you have coming up, what are those kinds of things that up, what are those kinds of things that up, what are those kinds of things that you have? I know you um you said in an you have? I know you um you said in an you have? I know you um you said in an interview that I watched that you'd interview that I watched that you'd interview that I watched that you'd reached out to was it Paramount?

reached out to was it Paramount? reached out to was it Paramount? >> Oh, I worked with Paramount. >> Oh, I worked with Paramount. >> Oh, I worked with Paramount. >> Yeah, work with them. But you'd reached >> Yeah, work with them. But you'd reached >> Yeah, work with them. But you'd reached out to them to say, "Listen, I want to out to them to say, "Listen, I want to out to them to say, "Listen, I want to sharpen my skills sharpen my skills sharpen my skills >> as a commentator, >> as a commentator, >> as a commentator, >> as a desk analyst." >> as a desk analyst." >> as a desk analyst." >> Des desk analyst. And so you'd reached >> Des desk analyst. And so you'd reached >> Des desk analyst. And so you'd reached out to them post, you know, out to them post, you know, out to them post, you know, postretirement because you wanted to get postretirement because you wanted to get postretirement because you wanted to get more and more into that. I just thought more and more into that. I just thought more and more into that. I just thought it was really cool that you proactively it was really cool that you proactively it was really cool that you proactively reached out to them and said, "Listen, reached out to them and said, "Listen, reached out to them and said, "Listen, I'm here." I'm here." I'm here." >> Yeah. If you guys think that I would be >> Yeah. If you guys think that I would be >> Yeah. If you guys think that I would be a good fit anywhere on a broadcast or a good fit anywhere on a broadcast or a good fit anywhere on a broadcast or anything, I would love to anything, I would love to anything, I would love to talk about fighting and talk about this talk about fighting and talk about this talk about fighting and talk about this sport as it continues to grow with what sport as it continues to grow with what sport as it continues to grow with what I've learned through the two decades of I've learned through the two decades of I've learned through the two decades of doing it. You know, if I can be a voice doing it. You know, if I can be a voice doing it. You know, if I can be a voice in this area, please let me do it. And in this area, please let me do it. And in this area, please let me do it. And and they did, you know, and I told them and they did, you know, and I told them and they did, you know, and I told them like, I'm coachable. I don't have no like, I'm coachable. I don't have no like, I'm coachable. I don't have no hard feelings. Like, if I'm doing hard feelings. Like, if I'm doing hard feelings. Like, if I'm doing something wrong, please let me know. I'm something wrong, please let me know. I'm something wrong, please let me know. I'm very, you know, because a lot of these very, you know, because a lot of these very, you know, because a lot of these other people who work the desk come from other people who work the desk come from other people who work the desk come from a media background or things like that. a media background or things like that. a media background or things like that. Of course, we have a lot of fighters, Of course, we have a lot of fighters, Of course, we have a lot of fighters, but who work the desk, but a lot of but who work the desk, but a lot of but who work the desk, but a lot of these other people might not take these other people might not take these other people might not take criticism and coaching as well as criticism and coaching as well as criticism and coaching as well as somebody who's been coached their whole somebody who's been coached their whole somebody who's been coached their whole life. So, I'm letting them know like if life. So, I'm letting them know like if life. So, I'm letting them know like if if there's something I'm doing that is if there's something I'm doing that is if there's something I'm doing that is not the right etiquette, it's not if I not the right etiquette, it's not if I not the right etiquette, it's not if I if I can do something better, please let if I can do something better, please let if I can do something better, please let me know. Coach me. I'm not it's no me know. Coach me. I'm not it's no me know. Coach me. I'm not it's no judgment. You're never going to rub me judgment. You're never going to rub me judgment. You're never going to rub me the wrong way. Please let me know. I the wrong way. Please let me know. I the wrong way. Please let me know. I want to be good at this. That's what I want to be good at this. That's what I want to be good at this. That's what I was trying to let them know.

was trying to let them know. was trying to let them know. >> Well, it's cool. It's cool because a lot >> Well, it's cool. It's cool because a lot >> Well, it's cool. It's cool because a lot of people, they they come in with a lot of people, they they come in with a lot of people, they they come in with a lot of ego. um especially if they've been at of ego. um especially if they've been at of ego. um especially if they've been at the the the peak of their powers in one the the the peak of their powers in one the the the peak of their powers in one profession. profession. profession. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They kind of don't want to humble >> They kind of don't want to humble >> They kind of don't want to humble themselves enough to be themselves enough to be themselves enough to be >> a whole new thing for me. You know, >> a whole new thing for me. You know, >> a whole new thing for me. You know, >> talking on TV and talking about fights >> talking on TV and talking about fights >> talking on TV and talking about fights and and things like that is a whole new and and things like that is a whole new and and things like that is a whole new thing. So, I wanted to learn as much as thing. So, I wanted to learn as much as thing. So, I wanted to learn as much as I can. I can. I can. >> And you have a contract with them? >> And you have a contract with them? >> And you have a contract with them? >> Yeah, I did. We'll see. >> Yeah, I did. We'll see. >> Yeah, I did. We'll see. >> Oh, you're worried that it might not be. >> Oh, you're worried that it might not be. >> Oh, you're worried that it might not be. >> It could be. Yeah. >> It could be. Yeah. >> It could be. Yeah. >> I guess when something like >> I guess when something like >> I guess when something like >> I had a year contract with with >> I had a year contract with with >> I had a year contract with with Paramount CBS to work the the desks for Paramount CBS to work the the desks for Paramount CBS to work the the desks for the fights. Okay. Well, I hope they all the fights. Okay. Well, I hope they all the fights. Okay. Well, I hope they all stick with you. stick with you. stick with you. >> We'll see. I think on the in a few weeks >> We'll see. I think on the in a few weeks >> We'll see. I think on the in a few weeks I'm back on the podcast. So, I know I'm back on the podcast. So, I know I'm back on the podcast. So, I know they're bringing me back to the Monday they're bringing me back to the Monday they're bringing me back to the Monday podcast. We talk about fights every podcast. We talk about fights every podcast. We talk about fights every Monday. In two weeks, I'll be back on Monday. In two weeks, I'll be back on Monday. In two weeks, I'll be back on that. And so, we'll see if that that. And so, we'll see if that that. And so, we'll see if that continues. You know, continues. You know, continues. You know, >> you you know, the other thing is you are >> you you know, the other thing is you are >> you you know, the other thing is you are you are young. You're 37. I'm 33. And uh you are young. You're 37. I'm 33. And uh you are young. You're 37. I'm 33. And uh >> you're young. >> you're young. >> you're young. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's how I can I can >> Yeah. Yeah. That's how I can I can >> Yeah. Yeah. That's how I can I can almost relate would be like if my career almost relate would be like if my career almost relate would be like if my career was was wrapping up in a couple of was was wrapping up in a couple of was was wrapping up in a couple of years. Like my main, you know, but I'm years. Like my main, you know, but I'm years. Like my main, you know, but I'm in the I guess my career is business. So in the I guess my career is business. So in the I guess my career is business. So I can kind of do that forever.

I can kind of do that forever. I can kind of do that forever. >> Well, for sure. >> Well, for sure. >> Well, for sure. >> But if I if I had to if I'd spent the >> But if I if I had to if I'd spent the >> But if I if I had to if I'd spent the last 20 years of my life I've spent the last 20 years of my life I've spent the last 20 years of my life I've spent the last 15 years of my life building last 15 years of my life building last 15 years of my life building businesses. So if I wrapped up in a businesses. So if I wrapped up in a businesses. So if I wrapped up in a couple years time and I had to change couple years time and I had to change couple years time and I had to change profession and I couldn't do what I've profession and I couldn't do what I've profession and I couldn't do what I've done for the last 20 years anymore. done for the last 20 years anymore. done for the last 20 years anymore. >> Gosh, >> Gosh, >> Gosh, that's what athletes go through that's what athletes go through that's what athletes go through >> for sure. They climb the mountain and >> for sure. They climb the mountain and >> for sure. They climb the mountain and then aging happens and they get older then aging happens and they get older then aging happens and they get older like we all do and then they have to like we all do and then they have to like we all do and then they have to say, "Right, brand new mountain." That say, "Right, brand new mountain." That say, "Right, brand new mountain." That doesn't happen to most people in most doesn't happen to most people in most doesn't happen to most people in most care. You kind of just keep climbing. care. You kind of just keep climbing. care. You kind of just keep climbing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> True. I never thought about it comparing >> True. I never thought about it comparing >> True. I never thought about it comparing it to other other uh careers. it to other other uh careers. it to other other uh careers. >> Do you enjoy the the desk work? >> Do you enjoy the the desk work? >> Do you enjoy the the desk work? >> I really do, man. >> I really do, man. >> I really do, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's why I'm scared to lose it, too, >> That's why I'm scared to lose it, too, >> That's why I'm scared to lose it, too, cuz I I really enjoy being connected to cuz I I really enjoy being connected to cuz I I really enjoy being connected to the sport. You know, this sport has, the sport. You know, this sport has, the sport. You know, this sport has, like I said, given me everything I have. like I said, given me everything I have. like I said, given me everything I have. Me and my family, everything we have is Me and my family, everything we have is Me and my family, everything we have is through fighting. through fighting. through fighting. Just like Jon Jones, where marginal Just like Jon Jones, where marginal Just like Jon Jones, where marginal improvements in your cognitive improvements in your cognitive improvements in your cognitive performance can have a massive impact, performance can have a massive impact, performance can have a massive impact, sometimes I podcast for 10 hours a day. sometimes I podcast for 10 hours a day. sometimes I podcast for 10 hours a day. 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that much in the UFC as well. that much in the UFC as well. >> I mean, uh the career I've had >> I mean, uh the career I've had >> I mean, uh the career I've had >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't have to work another day of my >> I don't have to work another day of my >> I don't have to work another day of my life. life. life. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, congratulations. Well done. Because >> Oh, congratulations. Well done. Because >> Oh, congratulations. Well done. Because a lot of people also they go out and a lot of people also they go out and a lot of people also they go out and they, you know, we hear the stories of they, you know, we hear the stories of they, you know, we hear the stories of buying a little too many watches or buying a little too many watches or buying a little too many watches or gambling or whatever it might be. gambling or whatever it might be. gambling or whatever it might be. >> I need to stop gambling. That's what I >> I need to stop gambling. That's what I >> I need to stop gambling. That's what I need. I told my wife the other day, she need. I told my wife the other day, she need. I told my wife the other day, she was like, was like, was like, >> she's like, I just paid some bills. I >> she's like, I just paid some bills. I >> she's like, I just paid some bills. I saw you made another deposit to the saw you made another deposit to the saw you made another deposit to the gambling thing. I was like, I can't cold gambling thing. I was like, I can't cold gambling thing. I was like, I can't cold turkey everything. Give me one. Let's go turkey everything. Give me one. Let's go turkey everything. Give me one. Let's go one thing at a time. One thing, one thing at a time. One thing, one thing at a time. One thing, gambling's a couple steps up on the gambling's a couple steps up on the gambling's a couple steps up on the list. I got some other things I need to list. I got some other things I need to list. I got some other things I need to stop doing first. Well, if you can take stop doing first. Well, if you can take stop doing first. Well, if you can take care of yourself the rest of your life, care of yourself the rest of your life, care of yourself the rest of your life, then you know, all good, right? To to then you know, all good, right? To to then you know, all good, right? To to have fun still, have fun still, have fun still, >> right? Right. Yeah. >> right? Right. Yeah. >> right? Right. Yeah. >> So, a lot of a lot of pe a lot of >> So, a lot of a lot of pe a lot of >> So, a lot of a lot of pe a lot of fighters, a lot of people generally fighters, a lot of people generally fighters, a lot of people generally can't say that when they leave. can't say that when they leave. can't say that when they leave. >> But I've always, you know, I have a few >> But I've always, you know, I have a few >> But I've always, you know, I have a few businesses in in Louisiana and businesses in in Louisiana and businesses in in Louisiana and elsewhere. I've always planted seeds my elsewhere. I've always planted seeds my elsewhere. I've always planted seeds my whole my whole life, you know. I started whole my whole life, you know. I started whole my whole life, you know. I started investing when I was 23 years old, you investing when I was 23 years old, you investing when I was 23 years old, you know, before I was even making real real know, before I was even making real real know, before I was even making real real money. I was investing what little I money. I was investing what little I money. I was investing what little I had. I always planted these seeds cuz I had. I always planted these seeds cuz I had. I always planted these seeds cuz I I knew I couldn't fight forever. it was I knew I couldn't fight forever. it was I knew I couldn't fight forever. it was going to end any any, you know, I could going to end any any, you know, I could going to end any any, you know, I could have get in a car accident and never have get in a car accident and never have get in a car accident and never fight again. It could end any day with fight again. It could end any day with fight again. It could end any day with fighting. I knew that. So, I've always fighting. I knew that. So, I've always fighting. I knew that. So, I've always planted seeds to try to have my future planted seeds to try to have my future planted seeds to try to have my future taken care of, you know, always since a taken care of, you know, always since a taken care of, you know, always since a young age.

young age. young age. >> Smile. >> Smile. >> Smile. >> Actually, when I was like 18, 19, I told >> Actually, when I was like 18, 19, I told >> Actually, when I was like 18, 19, I told my wife, I'm not I'm not going to fight my wife, I'm not I'm not going to fight my wife, I'm not I'm not going to fight past 35 years old. And I almost hit that past 35 years old. And I almost hit that past 35 years old. And I almost hit that mark. I was too young to at the time mark. I was too young to at the time mark. I was too young to at the time when I told her that, when I told her that, when I told her that, >> too young to see the, you know, full >> too young to see the, you know, full >> too young to see the, you know, full picture and know how my career was going picture and know how my career was going picture and know how my career was going to play out. what 36 I I hung it up. But to play out. what 36 I I hung it up. But to play out. what 36 I I hung it up. But I told her from a very young age, 35, I I told her from a very young age, 35, I I told her from a very young age, 35, I lived half my life and I have a whole lived half my life and I have a whole lived half my life and I have a whole another life to live. At 35, I can go to another life to live. At 35, I can go to another life to live. At 35, I can go to college. I can go I can do do be college. I can go I can do do be college. I can go I can do do be whatever I want to be. I have a whole whatever I want to be. I have a whole whatever I want to be. I have a whole another life to live. So I kind of another life to live. So I kind of another life to live. So I kind of always always always angled at 35 angled at 35 angled at 35 to pivot. to pivot. to pivot. >> And that was the moment. >> And that was the moment. >> And that was the moment. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> That's the moment where you were tired. >> That's the moment where you were tired. >> That's the moment where you were tired. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> How does it feel looking at that photo, >> How does it feel looking at that photo, >> How does it feel looking at that photo, >> man? And these are my brothers in this >> man? And these are my brothers in this >> man? And these are my brothers in this picture, man. picture, man. picture, man. >> I can see the emotion in your faces. >> I can see the emotion in your faces. >> I can see the emotion in your faces. >> Yeah, my mother's back there. And I >> Yeah, my mother's back there. And I >> Yeah, my mother's back there. And I mean, this is my family. You know, mean, this is my family. You know, mean, this is my family. You know, all these guys are my family members. It a special day.

It a special day. And I got to do it in Louisiana. You And I got to do it in Louisiana. You And I got to do it in Louisiana. You know, it meant a lot to me. It really know, it meant a lot to me. It really know, it meant a lot to me. It really meant a lot to me. Yeah, man. I was just a kid chasing Yeah, man. I was just a kid chasing dreams and it just flew by so quick. dreams and it just flew by so quick. dreams and it just flew by so quick. And I I guess that's a part of me that's And I I guess that's a part of me that's And I I guess that's a part of me that's I scared for the future is. I don't I I scared for the future is. I don't I I scared for the future is. I don't I don't know, don't know, don't know, you know, for 20 years I was dreaming you know, for 20 years I was dreaming you know, for 20 years I was dreaming about being the best. I just want to about being the best. I just want to about being the best. I just want to dream again, you know. I don't know what dream again, you know. I don't know what dream again, you know. I don't know what that dream will be. I just need that in that dream will be. I just need that in that dream will be. I just need that in my life, whatever that is. my life, whatever that is. my life, whatever that is. Yeah, >> So many emotions in your face as you >> So many emotions in your face as you look at that photo. look at that photo. look at that photo. >> Yeah, I'm trying not to tear up, dude. >> Yeah, I'm trying not to tear up, dude. >> Yeah, I'm trying not to tear up, dude. >> How come? >> How come? >> How come? >> Because it just makes me feel that way, >> Because it just makes me feel that way, >> Because it just makes me feel that way, you know, cuz I still love it. But I know I need cuz I still love it. But I know I need to walk away from it, you know, continue to walk away from it, you know, continue to walk away from it, you know, continue walking away from it. But I still love walking away from it. But I still love walking away from it. But I still love it. And like I told you, it's like a it. And like I told you, it's like a it. And like I told you, it's like a piece of me.

Like those gloves, me putting them on Like those gloves, me putting them on the mat is a piece of myself I left, you the mat is a piece of myself I left, you the mat is a piece of myself I left, you know? I I really truly believe that. You know, I was a kid when I started You know, I was a kid when I started this this this the fight life. You know, it it taught me how to be a You know, it it taught me how to be a man. It taught me how to do business. It man. It taught me how to do business. It man. It taught me how to do business. It taught me a lot of things about myself. I didn't go to school. Fighting was my I didn't go to school. Fighting was my my education, you know. traveled the world and met people and traveled the world and met people and sat at tables I would have never dreamed sat at tables I would have never dreamed sat at tables I would have never dreamed of be you know sitting at and through of be you know sitting at and through of be you know sitting at and through fighting uh it was just incredible fighting uh it was just incredible fighting uh it was just incredible journey journey journey you know uh but if I can go back in time you know uh but if I can go back in time you know uh but if I can go back in time to when I was a kid 16 17 if I could do to when I was a kid 16 17 if I could do to when I was a kid 16 17 if I could do it again I would do it again even it again I would do it again even it again I would do it again even knowing everything that what could be knowing everything that what could be knowing everything that what could be what damage I could take I would do it what damage I could take I would do it what damage I could take I would do it again that's how fun the ride But nobody rides for free, you know.

But nobody rides for free, you know. That's why I'm saying I would do it That's why I'm saying I would do it That's why I'm saying I would do it again. The the damage, the ups and again. The the damage, the ups and again. The the damage, the ups and downs, the unknown, nobody rides for downs, the unknown, nobody rides for downs, the unknown, nobody rides for free. Whether you're working clocking in free. Whether you're working clocking in free. Whether you're working clocking in at a job, working in an office for the at a job, working in an office for the at a job, working in an office for the your whole life, you know, or you're your whole life, you know, or you're your whole life, you know, or you're fighting men all over the world, uh fighting men all over the world, uh fighting men all over the world, uh we're exchanging something, you know, we're exchanging something, you know, we're exchanging something, you know, for something. So, I would do it again. I'm just glad I got to do it here in I'm just glad I got to do it here in Louisiana. You know, where it all Louisiana. You know, where it all Louisiana. You know, where it all started. You know, that was special to me You know, that was special to me >> because UFC doesn't come here often to >> because UFC doesn't come here often to >> because UFC doesn't come here often to Louisiana. Louisiana. Louisiana. The time that came before my retirement The time that came before my retirement The time that came before my retirement was back in 2015 and I fought on that on was back in 2015 and I fought on that on was back in 2015 and I fought on that on that one as well. To get him to come that one as well. To get him to come that one as well. To get him to come back here just for my retirement was a back here just for my retirement was a back here just for my retirement was a big deal. And I'm proud of that. I'm proud of And I'm proud of that. I'm proud of bringing it back to the city. you know.

bringing it back to the city. you know. bringing it back to the city. you know. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I have a game room at my house and I >> I have a game room at my house and I >> I have a game room at my house and I have this the UFC actually sent me a have this the UFC actually sent me a have this the UFC actually sent me a retirement p big picture frame with uh retirement p big picture frame with uh retirement p big picture frame with uh my wife, my daughter, their name was on my wife, my daughter, their name was on my wife, my daughter, their name was on the canvas for this fight and I didn't the canvas for this fight and I didn't the canvas for this fight and I didn't even know even know even know >> the UFC printed their names on the on >> the UFC printed their names on the on >> the UFC printed their names on the on the canvas of the octagon. the canvas of the octagon. the canvas of the octagon. >> So, they cut them out of the thing and >> So, they cut them out of the thing and >> So, they cut them out of the thing and they have them framed in a in a nice uh they have them framed in a in a nice uh they have them framed in a in a nice uh shadow box with pictures from the fight shadow box with pictures from the fight shadow box with pictures from the fight and their names and stuff. That was that and their names and stuff. That was that and their names and stuff. That was that was really nice, man. And so I have this was really nice, man. And so I have this was really nice, man. And so I have this picture hanging on my wall in my game picture hanging on my wall in my game picture hanging on my wall in my game room in my house. room in my house. room in my house. I got actually I need to call Mike. This I got actually I need to call Mike. This I got actually I need to call Mike. This guy here and this Mike Brown. I need to guy here and this Mike Brown. I need to guy here and this Mike Brown. I need to call him back. He tried to call me and call him back. He tried to call me and call him back. He tried to call me and he's been texting me the last few days. he's been texting me the last few days. he's been texting me the last few days. I need to call him back. Let him know I need to call him back. Let him know I need to call him back. Let him know I'm good, you know. I'm good, you know. I'm good, you know. >> Mhm. >> I've been silencing every call, you >> I've been silencing every call, you know, not just want to talk to people know, not just want to talk to people know, not just want to talk to people since Father's Day, but I need to start since Father's Day, but I need to start since Father's Day, but I need to start I need to reach back out. I need to reach back out. I need to reach back out. There's a lot in your head, isn't there? There's a lot in your head, isn't there? There's a lot in your head, isn't there? That photo seems to have teleported you That photo seems to have teleported you That photo seems to have teleported you back, you know.

back, you know. back, you know. >> I'm just thinking thinking about that >> I'm just thinking thinking about that >> I'm just thinking thinking about that night night night thinking about the guys in the picture, thinking about the guys in the picture, thinking about the guys in the picture, seeing my mom in the background, you seeing my mom in the background, you seeing my mom in the background, you know, know, know, my friends. It was just incredible my friends. It was just incredible my friends. It was just incredible night. night. night. And it hurts me a little bit like to to And it hurts me a little bit like to to And it hurts me a little bit like to to be sitting here talking about getting be sitting here talking about getting be sitting here talking about getting arrested last week. Like it feels like arrested last week. Like it feels like arrested last week. Like it feels like such a fall from grace, you know, such a fall from grace, you know, such a fall from grace, you know, looking at this picture like I was on looking at this picture like I was on looking at this picture like I was on top of the world. In this moment, top of the world. In this moment, top of the world. In this moment, I felt like I did it all the right way, I felt like I did it all the right way, I felt like I did it all the right way, you know, you know, you know, even had the UFC uh place in IRA. I did even had the UFC uh place in IRA. I did even had the UFC uh place in IRA. I did it my way when I was walking out the it my way when I was walking out the it my way when I was walking out the octagon that that night. And uh you octagon that that night. And uh you octagon that that night. And uh you know, just That's life. That's life. >> That's life. >> That's life. >> That's life. It's life. is part of the um part of the It's life. is part of the um part of the It's life. is part of the um part of the hero's journey is the the ups, the hero's journey is the the ups, the hero's journey is the the ups, the downs, the redemptions, the all of it downs, the redemptions, the all of it downs, the redemptions, the all of it and everything you teach. You know, it's and everything you teach. You know, it's and everything you teach. You know, it's funny cuz when I think about your funny cuz when I think about your funny cuz when I think about your earliest context, it was in my object earliest context, it was in my object earliest context, it was in my object subjective view difficult. It was a real subjective view difficult. It was a real subjective view difficult. It was a real challenge. You got a father that's an challenge. You got a father that's an challenge. You got a father that's an alcoholic, the violence in the home, alcoholic, the violence in the home, alcoholic, the violence in the home, growing up in a you know, in a growing up in a you know, in a growing up in a you know, in a workingass area and you rose from there workingass area and you rose from there workingass area and you rose from there and look what happened.

and look what happened. and look what happened. >> Yeah, it was beautiful. >> Yeah, it was beautiful. >> Yeah, it was beautiful. >> And then look at >> And then look at >> And then look at >> I'm proud of it. And then the roller >> I'm proud of it. And then the roller >> I'm proud of it. And then the roller coasters go down too. And that's why coasters go down too. And that's why coasters go down too. And that's why they they're so good when they go the they they're so good when they go the they they're so good when they go the opposite way and such. And opposite way and such. And opposite way and such. And >> and so this is just an for me this is >> and so this is just an for me this is >> and so this is just an for me this is maybe just the platform of your next maybe just the platform of your next maybe just the platform of your next era, era, era, >> you know, >> you know, >> you know, >> for sure. Whatever that is, I'm I'm here >> for sure. Whatever that is, I'm I'm here >> for sure. Whatever that is, I'm I'm here for it. But man, I'm just learning and for it. But man, I'm just learning and for it. But man, I'm just learning and living, you know, and trying my best living, you know, and trying my best living, you know, and trying my best just like everyone else. just like everyone else. just like everyone else. It's incredible though what you've It's incredible though what you've It's incredible though what you've proven that you can do, you know, from proven that you can do, you know, from proven that you can do, you know, from >> I I >> I I >> I I honestly honestly honestly no BS look you in the eyes like I feel no BS look you in the eyes like I feel no BS look you in the eyes like I feel like anything I set my mind to I can I like anything I set my mind to I can I like anything I set my mind to I can I can accomplish. I can make it happen. can accomplish. I can make it happen. can accomplish. I can make it happen. >> Look what you've done that. >> Look what you've done that. >> Look what you've done that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You don't need to look me in the eyes >> You don't need to look me in the eyes >> You don't need to look me in the eyes and no BS me. You've you've done and no BS me. You've you've done and no BS me. You've you've done something that you know something that you know something that you know very few men could ever ever accomplish, very few men could ever ever accomplish, very few men could ever ever accomplish, especially considering where you came especially considering where you came especially considering where you came from. So, I think I am quite excited to from. So, I think I am quite excited to from. So, I think I am quite excited to see what you set your mind to next see what you set your mind to next see what you set your mind to next because if that's what you're able to because if that's what you're able to because if that's what you're able to accomplish by 35 years old or something, accomplish by 35 years old or something, accomplish by 35 years old or something, God only knows what you could do with God only knows what you could do with God only knows what you could do with the next two decades of your life if you the next two decades of your life if you the next two decades of your life if you aimed all that energy at a equally aimed all that energy at a equally aimed all that energy at a equally terrifying goal.

terrifying goal. terrifying goal. >> I would love to. That's what I need. >> I would love to. That's what I need. >> I would love to. That's what I need. Something terrifying. I need something Something terrifying. I need something Something terrifying. I need something like that. Something that like that. Something that like that. Something that >> I can't stop thinking about. >> I can't stop thinking about. >> I can't stop thinking about. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> and you've got the mentality that few >> and you've got the mentality that few >> and you've got the mentality that few have, right? like to have accomplished have, right? like to have accomplished have, right? like to have accomplished this, you've got something the core this, you've got something the core this, you've got something the core components to be a wildly successful as components to be a wildly successful as components to be a wildly successful as you say with whatever you put your mind you say with whatever you put your mind you say with whatever you put your mind to. So, to. So, to. So, >> well, I'm not scared to work for it, >> well, I'm not scared to work for it, >> well, I'm not scared to work for it, >> you know. >> you know. >> you know. >> At this moment in this photo, were your >> At this moment in this photo, were your >> At this moment in this photo, were your family encouraging you to hang up the family encouraging you to hang up the family encouraging you to hang up the gloves? gloves? gloves? >> My wife was. >> My wife was. >> My wife was. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Nobody else in my family. No. >> Nobody else in my family. No. >> Nobody else in my family. No. >> How come? >> How come? >> How come? >> She was pregnant. She was uh a couple >> She was pregnant. She was uh a couple >> She was pregnant. She was uh a couple months away from giving a few months months away from giving a few months months away from giving a few months away from giving birth to my son. Um I away from giving birth to my son. Um I away from giving birth to my son. Um I had been doing it for a long time. we just kind of both knew it was about we just kind of both knew it was about the time, you know. the time, you know. the time, you know. >> You said you were scared because of the >> You said you were scared because of the >> You said you were scared because of the the void of purpose that would be in the void of purpose that would be in the void of purpose that would be in your life um thereafter, but I've also your life um thereafter, but I've also your life um thereafter, but I've also heard you say you're scared of like the heard you say you're scared of like the heard you say you're scared of like the the brain injuries that fighters often the brain injuries that fighters often the brain injuries that fighters often get in the wake of any sort of contact get in the wake of any sort of contact get in the wake of any sort of contact sport.

sport. sport. >> I had the the great privilege um of >> I had the the great privilege um of >> I had the the great privilege um of interviewing arguably the world's leader interviewing arguably the world's leader interviewing arguably the world's leader on CTE. Mhm. on CTE. Mhm. on CTE. Mhm. >> And for people that don't know, um, CTE >> And for people that don't know, um, CTE >> And for people that don't know, um, CTE is a progressive brain disease caused by is a progressive brain disease caused by is a progressive brain disease caused by repeated head trauma leading to abnormal repeated head trauma leading to abnormal repeated head trauma leading to abnormal protein builds up which lead to brain protein builds up which lead to brain protein builds up which lead to brain decline. Older adults with a history of decline. Older adults with a history of decline. Older adults with a history of traumatic brain injuries have a 230% traumatic brain injuries have a 230% traumatic brain injuries have a 230% greater risk of developing um, greater risk of developing um, greater risk of developing um, Alzheimer's than those without. Um, and Alzheimer's than those without. Um, and Alzheimer's than those without. Um, and 61% of UFC fighters stated they worry 61% of UFC fighters stated they worry 61% of UFC fighters stated they worry about potential long-term brain damage about potential long-term brain damage about potential long-term brain damage with with a good percentage about 21% with with a good percentage about 21% with with a good percentage about 21% noticing differences in their brain noticing differences in their brain noticing differences in their brain function after their fighting career. function after their fighting career. function after their fighting career. And lastly, a 2023 study found that more And lastly, a 2023 study found that more And lastly, a 2023 study found that more than 40% of brains from contact sport than 40% of brains from contact sport than 40% of brains from contact sport players who died before the age of 30 players who died before the age of 30 players who died before the age of 30 had CTE. had CTE. had CTE. I I I think I heard you say that you I I I think I heard you say that you I I I think I heard you say that you were concerned about were concerned about were concerned about brain damage or brain trauma from from brain damage or brain trauma from from brain damage or brain trauma from from fighting. fighting. fighting. >> Yeah. Part of me laying the gloves down, >> Yeah. Part of me laying the gloves down, >> Yeah. Part of me laying the gloves down, like I said, for my wife wanting me to like I said, for my wife wanting me to like I said, for my wife wanting me to was because she was kind of was because she was kind of was because she was kind of worried about my behavior a few years worried about my behavior a few years worried about my behavior a few years back and I I went to a neurologist and back and I I went to a neurologist and back and I I went to a neurologist and did a scan with contrast where they put did a scan with contrast where they put did a scan with contrast where they put the die in your brain in your veins and the die in your brain in your veins and the die in your brain in your veins and do all that stuff and I have I had some do all that stuff and I have I had some do all that stuff and I have I had some uh you know changes in my brain but we uh you know changes in my brain but we uh you know changes in my brain but we don't have a passport of don't have a passport of don't have a passport of >> before >> before >> before >> or throughout the process you know we >> or throughout the process you know we >> or throughout the process you know we just have a a snapshot of right now of just have a a snapshot of right now of just have a a snapshot of right now of my brain But yeah, the doctor, the my brain But yeah, the doctor, the my brain But yeah, the doctor, the neurologist told me that, you know, it neurologist told me that, you know, it neurologist told me that, you know, it has to be posorous. You can't, you put a has to be posorous. You can't, you put a has to be posorous. You can't, you put a chemical on the brain, it releases a chemical on the brain, it releases a chemical on the brain, it releases a protein. You know, if you So,

protein. You know, if you So, protein. You know, if you So, we won't know until I pass away. And we won't know until I pass away. And we won't know until I pass away. And they they they study my brain if I if I have it or not. study my brain if I if I have it or not. study my brain if I if I have it or not. But the doctor was telling me like, you But the doctor was telling me like, you But the doctor was telling me like, you know, looking at the things you have know, looking at the things you have know, looking at the things you have going on, like I can't say you have it, going on, like I can't say you have it, going on, like I can't say you have it, but but but >> your wife was noticing different >> your wife was noticing different >> your wife was noticing different behavior. behavior. behavior. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. just like emotional and just like emotional and just like emotional and >> it's it's not a conversation people have >> it's it's not a conversation people have >> it's it's not a conversation people have a lot about CTU. I actually I only a lot about CTU. I actually I only a lot about CTU. I actually I only learned about it about a year ago when I learned about it about a year ago when I learned about it about a year ago when I interviewed this person and I couldn't interviewed this person and I couldn't interviewed this person and I couldn't believe it. believe it. believe it. >> I couldn't believe that um athletes that >> I couldn't believe that um athletes that >> I couldn't believe that um athletes that are doing contact sports, kids that are are doing contact sports, kids that are are doing contact sports, kids that are doing American football doing American football doing American football >> are um >> are um >> are um >> and not only fighting, I played football >> and not only fighting, I played football >> and not only fighting, I played football all my youth, you know, as well. all my youth, you know, as well. all my youth, you know, as well. >> So, I'm sure my head's been rattled a >> So, I'm sure my head's been rattled a >> So, I'm sure my head's been rattled a good bit. I have a brain scan here which good bit. I have a brain scan here which good bit. I have a brain scan here which is really for the listeners at home to is really for the listeners at home to is really for the listeners at home to show them what what advanced CTE looks show them what what advanced CTE looks show them what what advanced CTE looks like on the brain but it is these kind like on the brain but it is these kind like on the brain but it is these kind of like plaques that kind of build up in of like plaques that kind of build up in of like plaques that kind of build up in the brain from contact head injuries and the brain from contact head injuries and the brain from contact head injuries and what the symptoms of that are often what the symptoms of that are often what the symptoms of that are often mental health disorders. They are um and mental health disorders. They are um and mental health disorders. They are um and there's a spectrum addictions also sort there's a spectrum addictions also sort there's a spectrum addictions also sort of associated with CTE. People sometimes of associated with CTE. People sometimes of associated with CTE. People sometimes see boxes for example slurring their see boxes for example slurring their see boxes for example slurring their words and such and that's also within words and such and that's also within words and such and that's also within the sort of so same family and category the sort of so same family and category the sort of so same family and category of CTE.

of CTE. of CTE. >> Yeah. But but but as you say, it's not >> Yeah. But but but as you say, it's not >> Yeah. But but but as you say, it's not something you know when you're alive and something you know when you're alive and something you know when you're alive and they have to post obviously look at your they have to post obviously look at your they have to post obviously look at your brain and check if you h if you have it. brain and check if you h if you have it. brain and check if you h if you have it. And what did the neurologist say that it And what did the neurologist say that it And what did the neurologist say that it was a little bit abnormal? was a little bit abnormal? was a little bit abnormal? >> I have uh scarring and stuff. Uh I'd >> I have uh scarring and stuff. Uh I'd >> I have uh scarring and stuff. Uh I'd have to pull out my phone and find the have to pull out my phone and find the have to pull out my phone and find the exact terminology for the parts of the exact terminology for the parts of the exact terminology for the parts of the brain. I don't know. You know, I have a brain. I don't know. You know, I have a brain. I don't know. You know, I have a thinning in the back of my brain thinning in the back of my brain thinning in the back of my brain >> at at whatever part. And I have a you >> at at whatever part. And I have a you >> at at whatever part. And I have a you have a septum in your brain like your have a septum in your brain like your have a septum in your brain like your nose. nose. nose. >> Yeah. And um my se septum is is >> Yeah. And um my se septum is is >> Yeah. And um my se septum is is splitting a separated a good bit and splitting a separated a good bit and splitting a separated a good bit and that the neurologist thinks my left and that the neurologist thinks my left and that the neurologist thinks my left and right side aren't communicating as right side aren't communicating as right side aren't communicating as smoothly as they should because of the smoothly as they should because of the smoothly as they should because of the separation separation separation >> and they suspect that that's to do with >> and they suspect that that's to do with >> and they suspect that that's to do with head trauma. head trauma. head trauma. >> I mean we don't we don't know. >> I mean we don't we don't know. >> I mean we don't we don't know. >> Do you feel different? And it's a >> Do you feel different? And it's a >> Do you feel different? And it's a strange question to ask, but have you strange question to ask, but have you strange question to ask, but have you noticed any difference in in your noticed any difference in in your noticed any difference in in your yourself other than, you know, the yourself other than, you know, the yourself other than, you know, the differences one would experience when differences one would experience when differences one would experience when they left a job that was that they left a job that was that they left a job that was that significant? significant? significant? >> No. Uh, besides like ups and downs with >> No. Uh, besides like ups and downs with >> No. Uh, besides like ups and downs with mood and stuff like that, that's one of mood and stuff like that, that's one of mood and stuff like that, that's one of the the things I kind of notice. Uh, and the the things I kind of notice. Uh, and the the things I kind of notice. Uh, and all being honest, like spontaneous all being honest, like spontaneous all being honest, like spontaneous decisions, I I notice like if I'm like, decisions, I I notice like if I'm like, decisions, I I notice like if I'm like, "Fuck it. I'll just put $5,000 on this "Fuck it. I'll just put $5,000 on this "Fuck it. I'll just put $5,000 on this bet right now." like just I wouldn't bet right now." like just I wouldn't bet right now." like just I wouldn't normally do that. I I feel like but normally do that. I I feel like but normally do that. I I feel like but maybe it's just who I am now. I don't maybe it's just who I am now. I don't maybe it's just who I am now. I don't know. Or saying it, I'm going to know. Or saying it, I'm going to know. Or saying it, I'm going to get drunk as I can right now in the get drunk as I can right now in the get drunk as I can right now in the airport just you know I feel like that airport just you know I feel like that airport just you know I feel like that is like spontaneous decision- making.

is like spontaneous decision- making. is like spontaneous decision- making. >> Uh that I wouldn't normally do, I think. >> Uh that I wouldn't normally do, I think. >> Uh that I wouldn't normally do, I think. But maybe I would. I don't know. But maybe I would. I don't know. But maybe I would. I don't know. >> If we're talking about brain trauma and >> If we're talking about brain trauma and >> If we're talking about brain trauma and like decisions I made or ways I feel, like decisions I made or ways I feel, like decisions I made or ways I feel, I'm sure I can draw links to all kinds I'm sure I can draw links to all kinds I'm sure I can draw links to all kinds of stuff. you know, I don't even know if of stuff. you know, I don't even know if of stuff. you know, I don't even know if it would make sense or would would be it would make sense or would would be it would make sense or would would be correct. You know, when you're correct. You know, when you're correct. You know, when you're scrambling for answers, it's easy to scrambling for answers, it's easy to scrambling for answers, it's easy to like draw lines and say, "Well, this is like draw lines and say, "Well, this is like draw lines and say, "Well, this is because of that. This is because of because of that. This is because of because of that. This is because of that." You know, I feel I feel normal that." You know, I feel I feel normal that." You know, I feel I feel normal besides ups and down days and stuff like besides ups and down days and stuff like besides ups and down days and stuff like that. I feel that. I feel that. I feel >> I feel normal. >> I feel normal. >> I feel normal. >> Um, so is there any possibility that you >> Um, so is there any possibility that you >> Um, so is there any possibility that you ever return to the UFC? >> 5%. >> 5%. >> And since you've retired, has that >> And since you've retired, has that >> And since you've retired, has that percentage gone up or down, do you percentage gone up or down, do you percentage gone up or down, do you think, progressively? think, progressively? think, progressively? >> Down, I think. >> Down, I think. >> Down, I think. >> Down. Okay. >> Down. Okay. >> Down. Okay. >> Down, I think. Cuz I would have to >> Down, I think. Cuz I would have to >> Down, I think. Cuz I would have to reinstate. First of all, I'd have to get reinstate. First of all, I'd have to get reinstate. First of all, I'd have to get my wife on board. Then I'm going to do my wife on board. Then I'm going to do my wife on board. Then I'm going to do another training camp and do this again. another training camp and do this again. another training camp and do this again. Uh, but I'd have to reinstate myself in Uh, but I'd have to reinstate myself in Uh, but I'd have to reinstate myself in the drug testing protocol. And I think the drug testing protocol. And I think the drug testing protocol. And I think I'd have to do like 6 months of clean I'd have to do like 6 months of clean I'd have to do like 6 months of clean drug testing before I'm eligible to drug testing before I'm eligible to drug testing before I'm eligible to compete again.

compete again. compete again. >> So that would be another 6 months. You >> So that would be another 6 months. You >> So that would be another 6 months. You know, it's just a lot of hoops to jump know, it's just a lot of hoops to jump know, it's just a lot of hoops to jump through. through. through. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And your father? >> And your father? >> And your father? >> Difficult. Difficult. Extremely >> Difficult. Difficult. Extremely >> Difficult. Difficult. Extremely difficult. Um layers of emotion. It's difficult. Um layers of emotion. It's difficult. Um layers of emotion. It's funny, you know, we've all got people in funny, you know, we've all got people in funny, you know, we've all got people in our Well, a lot of people have people in our Well, a lot of people have people in our Well, a lot of people have people in their lives where they've watched them their lives where they've watched them their lives where they've watched them struggle with addiction. They've tried struggle with addiction. They've tried struggle with addiction. They've tried to help them. They can't make sense of to help them. They can't make sense of to help them. They can't make sense of why they won't accept the help, why they why they won't accept the help, why they why they won't accept the help, why they won't change. They know they're doing won't change. They know they're doing won't change. They know they're doing like I've heard it's such a familiar like I've heard it's such a familiar like I've heard it's such a familiar story. story. story. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> What's the latest with him? >> What's the latest with him? >> What's the latest with him? >> He was latest with him is two days ago >> He was latest with him is two days ago >> He was latest with him is two days ago he was sleeping in his truck uh behind a he was sleeping in his truck uh behind a he was sleeping in his truck uh behind a business. business. business. >> And how did you find this out? >> And how did you find this out? >> And how did you find this out? >> Oh, you have a >> Oh, you have a >> Oh, you have a >> Dude, when I got uh this is Father's Day >> Dude, when I got uh this is Father's Day >> Dude, when I got uh this is Father's Day week. This is a My sister sent me this. This is a My sister sent me this. somebody who she knows. somebody who she knows. somebody who she knows. He was parked, my dad was parked at the He was parked, my dad was parked at the He was parked, my dad was parked at the at the park. at the park. at the park. Um, somebody snapped a picture of him Um, somebody snapped a picture of him Um, somebody snapped a picture of him getting out of his car.

He's He So, he's got his top off. Oh He's He So, he's got his top off. Oh gosh. gosh. gosh. >> No shoes. >> No shoes. >> No shoes. >> No shoes. My sister actually gave him that truck My sister actually gave him that truck that he's living in. God. God. >> And we're still working. We're still >> And we're still working. We're still >> And we're still working. We're still working to to get something get him to working to to get something get him to working to to get something get him to do something or admit himself do just to do something or admit himself do just to do something or admit himself do just to help himself, you know. >> Sorry. I'm so sorry. >> Sorry. I'm so sorry. >> I mean, that's life. But to see your >> I mean, that's life. But to see your >> I mean, that's life. But to see your father like that, you know, it's just father like that, you know, it's just father like that, you know, it's just like damn, man. like damn, man. like damn, man. Is it alcohol? Is it alcohol? Is it alcohol? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's alcohol. >> it's alcohol. >> it's alcohol. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Does he he does he do other types of >> Does he he does he do other types of >> Does he he does he do other types of drugs? drugs? drugs? >> Never smoked a cigarette in his life. >> Never smoked a cigarette in his life. >> Never smoked a cigarette in his life. Never smoke Never smoke Never smoke >> marijuana. Doesn't take pills. Like just >> marijuana. Doesn't take pills. Like just >> marijuana. Doesn't take pills. Like just alcohol. >> We're trying. Me and my sister are >> We're trying. Me and my sister are trying. His other his other kids don't trying. His other his other kids don't trying. His other his other kids don't want anything to do with him, but me and want anything to do with him, but me and want anything to do with him, but me and my sister are trying to my sister are trying to my sister are trying to get him right. And my wife's super on get him right. And my wife's super on get him right. And my wife's super on board like trying everything to to but board like trying everything to to but board like trying everything to to but if if he doesn't want to help himself, if if he doesn't want to help himself, if if he doesn't want to help himself, we can only do so much, you know. But we can only do so much, you know. But we can only do so much, you know. But like I said at the beginning, that's not like I said at the beginning, that's not like I said at the beginning, that's not my weight to carry, you know?

my weight to carry, you know? my weight to carry, you know? >> I'm trying my best. I'm a father now, >> I'm trying my best. I'm a father now, >> I'm trying my best. I'm a father now, too. I I got to look out for me and too. I I got to look out for me and too. I I got to look out for me and mine. I I can't babysit my father, you mine. I I can't babysit my father, you mine. I I can't babysit my father, you know. know. know. It's um it can often drag people down It's um it can often drag people down It's um it can often drag people down themselves if they try and save someone themselves if they try and save someone themselves if they try and save someone from themselves. from themselves. from themselves. >> Yeah. Did I almost lost my mind on >> Yeah. Did I almost lost my mind on >> Yeah. Did I almost lost my mind on Father's Day? I'm I'm the guy you're Father's Day? I'm I'm the guy you're Father's Day? I'm I'm the guy you're talking about. talking about. talking about. >> Yeah, I know it cuz it's I've got a sort >> Yeah, I know it cuz it's I've got a sort >> Yeah, I know it cuz it's I've got a sort of personal story in this regard where I of personal story in this regard where I of personal story in this regard where I had to sit with one of my close had to sit with one of my close had to sit with one of my close relatives and um I can see that they relatives and um I can see that they relatives and um I can see that they were destroying themselves trying to were destroying themselves trying to were destroying themselves trying to save someone else. And um they are the save someone else. And um they are the save someone else. And um they are the only person in this family that I'm only person in this family that I'm only person in this family that I'm talking about that have made that talking about that have made that talking about that have made that decision to try and save this person and decision to try and save this person and decision to try and save this person and they are paying the price. they are paying the price. they are paying the price. >> They are sick. They are upset all the >> They are sick. They are upset all the >> They are sick. They are upset all the time. They're like they've got constant time. They're like they've got constant time. They're like they've got constant despair. Whereas all the other siblings despair. Whereas all the other siblings despair. Whereas all the other siblings in that family have thought it. in that family have thought it. in that family have thought it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it and it would appear that they're >> And it and it would appear that they're >> And it and it would appear that they're living more peaceful lives because living more peaceful lives because living more peaceful lives because they've said it, but because of they've said it, but because of they've said it, but because of this person's heart, they are unable to this person's heart, they are unable to this person's heart, they are unable to just cut it off and let this person go. just cut it off and let this person go. just cut it off and let this person go. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Is there part of you that's that's Is there part of you that's that's Is there part of you that's that's worried that someday you're going to get worried that someday you're going to get worried that someday you're going to get a call and it's going to say a call and it's going to say a call and it's going to say >> I've been waiting for months every day >> I've been waiting for months every day >> I've been waiting for months every day I've been waiting I know me and my wife I've been waiting I know me and my wife I've been waiting I know me and my wife talk about this all the time like every talk about this all the time like every talk about this all the time like every time I get a call about my dad from my time I get a call about my dad from my time I get a call about my dad from my sister or something I'm like just sister or something I'm like just sister or something I'm like just waiting for the you know waiting for the waiting for the you know waiting for the waiting for the you know waiting for the news he's not in good health and he's 74 news he's not in good health and he's 74 news he's not in good health and he's 74 75 years old like 75 years old like 75 years old like no telling if he's eating and I don't no telling if he's eating and I don't no telling if he's eating and I don't know you know every call I was like this know you know every call I was like this know you know every call I was like this is the What did your mom think about this about

What did your mom think about this about your father? your father? your father? >> Uh I mean as of most recently she didn't >> Uh I mean as of most recently she didn't >> Uh I mean as of most recently she didn't know she didn't even know that he was know she didn't even know that he was know she didn't even know that he was homeless. I I told her recently after homeless. I I told her recently after homeless. I I told her recently after all this stuff happened. You know I all this stuff happened. You know I all this stuff happened. You know I explained to her that he's she's just explained to her that he's she's just explained to her that he's she's just sorry that I have to deal with this and sorry that I have to deal with this and sorry that I have to deal with this and you know you know you know >> she got remarried and then Yeah. >> she got remarried and then Yeah. >> she got remarried and then Yeah. >> Yeah. So, what's next? So, what's next? >> Vacation with my family. >> Vacation with my family. >> Vacation with my family. >> Where you where you off to? 30. >> Where you where you off to? 30. >> Where you where you off to? 30. >> Right here in Florida. 38. >> Right here in Florida. 38. >> Right here in Florida. 38. Go on vacation with my family. Sit in Go on vacation with my family. Sit in Go on vacation with my family. Sit in the sun with my kids and family. Just the sun with my kids and family. Just the sun with my kids and family. Just have a good time, man. have a good time, man. have a good time, man. Stay off the internet. Stay off the internet. Stay off the internet. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Continue to work on myself. >> Continue to work on myself. >> Continue to work on myself. >> Have good mornings. >> Have good mornings. >> Have good mornings. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. Well, you know, I know you're not Well, you know, I know you're not Well, you know, I know you're not looking at the internet, but I just looking at the internet, but I just looking at the internet, but I just wanted to let you know that the wanted to let you know that the wanted to let you know that the internet's been really kind. There's a internet's been really kind. There's a internet's been really kind. There's a lot of really, really kind. You lot of really, really kind. You lot of really, really kind. You >> don't hear that too often. So, >> don't hear that too often. So, >> don't hear that too often. So, >> you don't hear that too often. >> you don't hear that too often. >> you don't hear that too often. >> Good to hear. >> Good to hear. >> Good to hear. >> That's actually why I wanted to do this >> That's actually why I wanted to do this >> That's actually why I wanted to do this interview as well is in part I just interview as well is in part I just interview as well is in part I just wanted to tell you that, but also I just wanted to tell you that, but also I just wanted to tell you that, but also I just wanted uh I hoped we could be a bit of a wanted uh I hoped we could be a bit of a wanted uh I hoped we could be a bit of a platform for people understanding the platform for people understanding the platform for people understanding the like complicated nature of mental health like complicated nature of mental health like complicated nature of mental health and purpose and addiction and alcohol and purpose and addiction and alcohol and purpose and addiction and alcohol and all these things that through doing and all these things that through doing and all these things that through doing this show I've been able to sort of this show I've been able to sort of this show I've been able to sort of piece together myself. I've probably piece together myself. I've probably piece together myself. I've probably interviewed 700 people now. you don't interviewed 700 people now. you don't interviewed 700 people now. you don't find many new things, find many new things, find many new things, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> One of the most crazy things I've >> One of the most crazy things I've >> One of the most crazy things I've learned from doing the show is like, learned from doing the show is like, learned from doing the show is like, "Oh, We're all the same." "Oh, We're all the same." "Oh, We're all the same." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We all struggle with the same things at >> We all struggle with the same things at >> We all struggle with the same things at the most fundamental level, you know? the most fundamental level, you know? the most fundamental level, you know? So, So, So, >> pretty sure, >> pretty sure, >> pretty sure, >> you know, and um we're all excited to to >> you know, and um we're all excited to to >> you know, and um we're all excited to to see what it is you put your your great see what it is you put your your great see what it is you put your your great talent and your mentality and your talent and your mentality and your talent and your mentality and your obsession to in the next season of your obsession to in the next season of your obsession to in the next season of your career, cuz whatever it is, you know. career, cuz whatever it is, you know. career, cuz whatever it is, you know. >> Thank you, man. >> Thank you, man. >> Thank you, man. >> It's going to be incredible. >> It's going to be incredible. >> It's going to be incredible. >> Yeah. I just got to find it and continue >> Yeah. I just got to find it and continue >> Yeah. I just got to find it and continue doing it and continue working on myself doing it and continue working on myself doing it and continue working on myself and and and >> and please be patient with yourself. >> and please be patient with yourself. >> and please be patient with yourself. >> Yeah, man. Patience is a virtue I I >> Yeah, man. Patience is a virtue I I >> Yeah, man. Patience is a virtue I I wasn't blessed with. wasn't blessed with. wasn't blessed with. But I'm working on it. But I'm working on it. But I'm working on it. >> I'm working on it every day. >> I'm working on it every day. >> I'm working on it every day. Every single day, man. Every single day, man. Every single day, man. >> We have a closing tradition where the >> We have a closing tradition where the >> We have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question to the last guest leaves a question to the last guest leaves a question to the next, not knowing who they're leaving it next, not knowing who they're leaving it next, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question left for you is, for. And the question left for you is, for. And the question left for you is, "Dear next guest, what are you doing to "Dear next guest, what are you doing to "Dear next guest, what are you doing to improve the world? I'm trying to leave it better than I I'm trying to leave it better than I found it. Better than leave it a better found it. Better than leave it a better found it. Better than leave it a better place than I came into with everything I place than I came into with everything I place than I came into with everything I can, you know.

can, you know. can, you know. uh for the most part making the right for the most part making the right decisions and decisions and decisions and showing that people do care, trying to showing that people do care, trying to showing that people do care, trying to be a good, you know, a person who cares be a good, you know, a person who cares be a good, you know, a person who cares about people and stuff like that. That's about people and stuff like that. That's about people and stuff like that. That's what hurts me too, man, is what hurts me too, man, is what hurts me too, man, is me doing that. I wasn't I wasn't myself, me doing that. I wasn't I wasn't myself, me doing that. I wasn't I wasn't myself, you know? I know it's easy for me to say you know? I know it's easy for me to say you know? I know it's easy for me to say and try to hide behind like a and try to hide behind like a and try to hide behind like a drunkenness or drunkenness or drunkenness or mental breakdown and all. I feel like mental breakdown and all. I feel like mental breakdown and all. I feel like all those are excuses. Like that's all those are excuses. Like that's all those are excuses. Like that's people who know me know that's that's people who know me know that's that's people who know me know that's that's not how I roll, man. I just feel not how I roll, man. I just feel not how I roll, man. I just feel bad about it cuz that's my my intentions bad about it cuz that's my my intentions bad about it cuz that's my my intentions are always are always are always 99.9% of the time good, you know, and to 99.9% of the time good, you know, and to 99.9% of the time good, you know, and to hear about the video and everything I hear about the video and everything I hear about the video and everything I did and you know, I just did and you know, I just did and you know, I just hurt myself, man. Really let myself hurt myself, man. Really let myself hurt myself, man. Really let myself down. Hard to look in the mirror at down. Hard to look in the mirror at down. Hard to look in the mirror at times. Um, times. Um, times. Um, but I'm going to continue continue doing but I'm going to continue continue doing but I'm going to continue continue doing what I was doing before this happened.

what I was doing before this happened. what I was doing before this happened. you know, leave the world a better place you know, leave the world a better place you know, leave the world a better place than I found it, man. And teach my kids than I found it, man. And teach my kids than I found it, man. And teach my kids to do the same. to do the same. to do the same. >> And in 2018, you did um start the Good >> And in 2018, you did um start the Good >> And in 2018, you did um start the Good Fight Foundation. Fight Foundation. Fight Foundation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um you and your wife um after clearing >> Um you and your wife um after clearing >> Um you and your wife um after clearing out your old fight gear and auctioning out your old fight gear and auctioning out your old fight gear and auctioning it off to support Lafayette families. it off to support Lafayette families. it off to support Lafayette families. You started this foundation and you've You started this foundation and you've You started this foundation and you've actively been involved in in in the actively been involved in in in the actively been involved in in in the charity. Um I I I went on the website charity. Um I I I went on the website charity. Um I I I went on the website and saw you driving delivery trucks and and saw you driving delivery trucks and and saw you driving delivery trucks and packing school supplies in the kitchen. packing school supplies in the kitchen. packing school supplies in the kitchen. Um, but also I saw the work that you had Um, but also I saw the work that you had Um, but also I saw the work that you had done in Uganda providing kids in Uganda done in Uganda providing kids in Uganda done in Uganda providing kids in Uganda with multiple new water wells as well. with multiple new water wells as well. with multiple new water wells as well. And you were a 30 years old awarded the And you were a 30 years old awarded the And you were a 30 years old awarded the first ever Forest Griffin Community first ever Forest Griffin Community first ever Forest Griffin Community Award. The award presented annually by Award. The award presented annually by Award. The award presented annually by the UFC to recognize an athletes the UFC to recognize an athletes the UFC to recognize an athletes exceptional volunteering and charity exceptional volunteering and charity exceptional volunteering and charity work. work. work. >> And you didn't have to do that, you >> And you didn't have to do that, you >> And you didn't have to do that, you know, especially at such a young age at know, especially at such a young age at know, especially at such a young age at sort of 28 years old when you when this sort of 28 years old when you when this sort of 28 years old when you when this all began. And um, if people do want to all began. And um, if people do want to all began. And um, if people do want to go and check out the foundation, I'm go and check out the foundation, I'm go and check out the foundation, I'm going to link it below. Um it's called going to link it below. Um it's called going to link it below. Um it's called the good fight foundation and I looked the good fight foundation and I looked the good fight foundation and I looked at the mission statement on the website at the mission statement on the website at the mission statement on the website etc. and it's exactly what this question etc. and it's exactly what this question etc. and it's exactly what this question asks. It's how can you do good for other asks. It's how can you do good for other asks. It's how can you do good for other people in the world that need it people in the world that need it people in the world that need it >> right and I I truly honestly 100% >> right and I I truly honestly 100% >> right and I I truly honestly 100% believe I'm doing it. You know believe I'm doing it. You know believe I'm doing it. You know >> I'm using the platform I built through >> I'm using the platform I built through >> I'm using the platform I built through hard work to benefit as many people as I hard work to benefit as many people as I hard work to benefit as many people as I can. You know uh fighting was going to can. You know uh fighting was going to can. You know uh fighting was going to benefit me and my family every time I benefit me and my family every time I benefit me and my family every time I walked to the ring. So, why couldn't I walked to the ring. So, why couldn't I walked to the ring. So, why couldn't I my mindset was why couldn't I stack more my mindset was why couldn't I stack more my mindset was why couldn't I stack more on my back and go in with a cause and

on my back and go in with a cause and on my back and go in with a cause and sell everything I wore that night and sell everything I wore that night and sell everything I wore that night and benefit a family or benefit a person or benefit a family or benefit a person or benefit a family or benefit a person or another organization. I was like, let me another organization. I was like, let me another organization. I was like, let me stack up as much on my back as I can and stack up as much on my back as I can and stack up as much on my back as I can and keep this momentum going um with the keep this momentum going um with the keep this momentum going um with the foundation. But when we first started foundation. But when we first started foundation. But when we first started it, it wasn't I didn't auction off it, it wasn't I didn't auction off it, it wasn't I didn't auction off everything I wore to the octagon and we everything I wore to the octagon and we everything I wore to the octagon and we didn't link it to goals. It was just didn't link it to goals. It was just didn't link it to goals. It was just kind of random. We were packing up my kind of random. We were packing up my kind of random. We were packing up my house, moving from South Florida back to house, moving from South Florida back to house, moving from South Florida back to Louisiana. Mhm. Louisiana. Mhm. Louisiana. Mhm. >> And we had all this stuff and we just >> And we had all this stuff and we just >> And we had all this stuff and we just saw a news article that a police officer saw a news article that a police officer saw a news article that a police officer got killed uh couple streets where me got killed uh couple streets where me got killed uh couple streets where me and my wife went to school, a couple and my wife went to school, a couple and my wife went to school, a couple streets away from where we went to streets away from where we went to streets away from where we went to school and he left behind a wife and and school and he left behind a wife and and school and he left behind a wife and and kids, Officer Middlebrook here in kids, Officer Middlebrook here in kids, Officer Middlebrook here in Lafayette, Louisiana. And we're like, Lafayette, Louisiana. And we're like, Lafayette, Louisiana. And we're like, well, we're packing up the house. What well, we're packing up the house. What well, we're packing up the house. What about all these gloves and fight shorts about all these gloves and fight shorts about all these gloves and fight shorts that you fought in on these big fights? that you fought in on these big fights? that you fought in on these big fights? Can we sell it? Maybe we can sell it and Can we sell it? Maybe we can sell it and Can we sell it? Maybe we can sell it and donate to his family. And that's what donate to his family. And that's what donate to his family. And that's what sparked the whole foundation starting. sparked the whole foundation starting. sparked the whole foundation starting. We did it for maybe a year, two, a year We did it for maybe a year, two, a year We did it for maybe a year, two, a year and a half, two years just out of my and a half, two years just out of my and a half, two years just out of my name before we made it an actual name before we made it an actual name before we made it an actual nonprofit. We were just eBaying fight nonprofit. We were just eBaying fight nonprofit. We were just eBaying fight warn stuff and donating it to the food warn stuff and donating it to the food warn stuff and donating it to the food pantry, donating it to this fallen pantry, donating it to this fallen pantry, donating it to this fallen officer's family. And then it turned officer's family. And then it turned officer's family. And then it turned into let's let's keep this going and see into let's let's keep this going and see into let's let's keep this going and see if other fighters would get behind this if other fighters would get behind this if other fighters would get behind this and give it a name so it's not Dustin and give it a name so it's not Dustin and give it a name so it's not Dustin Porier does this, it's the Good Fight Porier does this, it's the Good Fight Porier does this, it's the Good Fight Foundation so more people maybe get Foundation so more people maybe get Foundation so more people maybe get behind it. And it just kind of behind it. And it just kind of behind it. And it just kind of organically happened on something I'm organically happened on something I'm organically happened on something I'm very proud of. I mean, in in a couple very proud of. I mean, in in a couple very proud of. I mean, in in a couple weeks, we have the backpack back to weeks, we have the backpack back to weeks, we have the backpack back to school drive. We we do probably 1300 school drive. We we do probably 1300 school drive. We we do probably 1300 backpacks filled with every school backpacks filled with every school backpacks filled with every school supply on the school supply list for supply on the school supply list for supply on the school supply list for Louisiana.

Louisiana. Louisiana. >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. It's >> incredible. >> incredible. >> incredible. >> It takes it takes everybody to make >> It takes it takes everybody to make >> It takes it takes everybody to make these goals happen, man. Not just the these goals happen, man. Not just the these goals happen, man. Not just the monetary side, but the going in this monetary side, but the going in this monetary side, but the going in this warehouse and packing every single warehouse and packing every single warehouse and packing every single backpack cuz we stretch the dollar with backpack cuz we stretch the dollar with backpack cuz we stretch the dollar with this foundation. You know, we don't have this foundation. You know, we don't have this foundation. You know, we don't have any paid any everything is and we try to any paid any everything is and we try to any paid any everything is and we try to keep it as minimal as as possible to keep it as minimal as as possible to keep it as minimal as as possible to keep everything affordable. So, we buy keep everything affordable. So, we buy keep everything affordable. So, we buy bulk backpacks, bulk backpacks, bulk backpacks, >> break all the pallets down to backpacks, >> break all the pallets down to backpacks, >> break all the pallets down to backpacks, bulk flash cards, everything that goes bulk flash cards, everything that goes bulk flash cards, everything that goes in the backpack for the school year. We in the backpack for the school year. We in the backpack for the school year. We buy bulk and have to pack every backpack buy bulk and have to pack every backpack buy bulk and have to pack every backpack ourselves. ourselves. ourselves. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And uh it's something that I really >> And uh it's something that I really >> And uh it's something that I really enjoy doing and I'm happy I have a enjoy doing and I'm happy I have a enjoy doing and I'm happy I have a platform to to do it and raise platform to to do it and raise platform to to do it and raise awareness. And you know, no kid should awareness. And you know, no kid should awareness. And you know, no kid should go to school without a that's just one go to school without a that's just one go to school without a that's just one of the things we we've done annually, of the things we we've done annually, of the things we we've done annually, but no kid should go to the school but no kid should go to the school but no kid should go to the school without the proper school supplies they without the proper school supplies they without the proper school supplies they need, you know. M need, you know. M need, you know. M >> it's crazy. So just small stuff like >> it's crazy. So just small stuff like >> it's crazy. So just small stuff like that, you know, we're just trying to that, you know, we're just trying to that, you know, we're just trying to make a difference. make a difference. make a difference. >> Well, if anyone wants to donate, you can >> Well, if anyone wants to donate, you can >> Well, if anyone wants to donate, you can go to the Good Fight Foundation. Um I'll go to the Good Fight Foundation. Um I'll go to the Good Fight Foundation. Um I'll link it below and uh they're doing link it below and uh they're doing link it below and uh they're doing incredible work. So it's a wonderful incredible work. So it's a wonderful incredible work. So it's a wonderful thing, wonderful cause and as you say, thing, wonderful cause and as you say, thing, wonderful cause and as you say, you run it in a very lean way so that you run it in a very lean way so that you run it in a very lean way so that you can uh optimize for doing more and you can uh optimize for doing more and you can uh optimize for doing more and more good.

more good. more good. >> Dustin, thank you so much. >> Dustin, thank you so much. >> Dustin, thank you so much. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you so much for being such a class >> Thank you so much for being such a class >> Thank you so much for being such a class act and thank you for agreeing to have act and thank you for agreeing to have act and thank you for agreeing to have me interview you today. It's a real me interview you today. It's a real me interview you today. It's a real honor. Um, you're a legend in my eyes honor. Um, you're a legend in my eyes honor. Um, you're a legend in my eyes for so many reasons, not just because of for so many reasons, not just because of for so many reasons, not just because of the man that you are, but because you've the man that you are, but because you've the man that you are, but because you've climbed impossible mountains and also climbed impossible mountains and also climbed impossible mountains and also the way that you conduct yourself after the way that you conduct yourself after the way that you conduct yourself after fighting, which is a real, it's really fighting, which is a real, it's really fighting, which is a real, it's really like inspiring to me. Um, the values, like inspiring to me. Um, the values, like inspiring to me. Um, the values, the integrity, the orientation towards the integrity, the orientation towards the integrity, the orientation towards family, towards doing good, and actually family, towards doing good, and actually family, towards doing good, and actually to being to being to being openly human. openly human. openly human. >> Definitely definitely am that. >> Definitely definitely am that. >> Definitely definitely am that. >> You know, that's my first time living >> You know, that's my first time living >> You know, that's my first time living life, man. life, man. life, man. >> The good, the bad, and the human. And >> The good, the bad, and the human. And >> The good, the bad, and the human. And you're you're willing to be so honest you're you're willing to be so honest you're you're willing to be so honest and open about that. And it um there's and open about that. And it um there's and open about that. And it um there's lots and lots and lot I know this sounds lots and lots and lot I know this sounds lots and lots and lot I know this sounds like a crazy thing to say, but that like a crazy thing to say, but that like a crazy thing to say, but that airport incident is going to help a lot airport incident is going to help a lot airport incident is going to help a lot of people in a lot of ways that I don't of people in a lot of ways that I don't of people in a lot of ways that I don't think you'll ever get to see indirectly think you'll ever get to see indirectly think you'll ever get to see indirectly because of um what I think is going to because of um what I think is going to because of um what I think is going to come from it. come from it. come from it. >> Thank you, man. I I hope you're >> Thank you, man. I I hope you're >> Thank you, man. I I hope you're >> hope you're right. And I'm an open book. >> hope you're right. And I'm an open book. >> hope you're right. And I'm an open book. I'll talk about it and talk about my I'll talk about it and talk about my I'll talk about it and talk about my struggles and I hope it does help struggles and I hope it does help struggles and I hope it does help somebody. somebody. somebody. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. YouTube have this new crazy >> Thank you. YouTube have this new crazy >> Thank you. YouTube have this new crazy algorithm where they know exactly what algorithm where they know exactly what algorithm where they know exactly what video you would like to watch next based video you would like to watch next based video you would like to watch next based on AI and all of your viewing behavior.

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