Reading the Bible Like Jesus Did

So few start with Jesus use of the Old So few start with Jesus use of the Old Testament and work backwards. What Testament and work backwards. What Testament and work backwards. What typically happens is that we come up typically happens is that we come up typically happens is that we come up with our own way of reading the Old with our own way of reading the Old with our own way of reading the Old Testament and then somewhere along the Testament and then somewhere along the Testament and then somewhere along the line we think about how Jesus used it. line we think about how Jesus used it. line we think about how Jesus used it. Instead the question is well maybe we Instead the question is well maybe we Instead the question is well maybe we should begin with this very simple should begin with this very simple should begin with this very simple question. question. question. Did Jesus read the Old Testament? Well, Did Jesus read the Old Testament? Well, Did Jesus read the Old Testament? Well, the follow-up question is, "Well, then the follow-up question is, "Well, then the follow-up question is, "Well, then should I do what he did?" Right? Welcome to the Biblical Theology Welcome to the Biblical Theology Briefing, a podcast from the Gospel Briefing, a podcast from the Gospel Briefing, a podcast from the Gospel Coalition. I'm Matt Harmon Coalition. I'm Matt Harmon Coalition. I'm Matt Harmon >> and I'm Ben Glad >> and I'm Ben Glad >> and I'm Ben Glad >> and we are delighted that you're joining >> and we are delighted that you're joining >> and we are delighted that you're joining us today uh on this episode of the us today uh on this episode of the us today uh on this episode of the Biblical Theology Briefing. Just as a Biblical Theology Briefing. Just as a Biblical Theology Briefing. Just as a reminder, Ben, who who are we uh who is reminder, Ben, who who are we uh who is reminder, Ben, who who are we uh who is our audience for this? Who are we hoping our audience for this? Who are we hoping our audience for this? Who are we hoping to help with this podcast? Yeah, the to help with this podcast? Yeah, the to help with this podcast? Yeah, the ordinary Christian loves the Bible, goes ordinary Christian loves the Bible, goes ordinary Christian loves the Bible, goes to church, prays, loves Christ, but is to church, prays, loves Christ, but is to church, prays, loves Christ, but is also very interested in the scriptures also very interested in the scriptures also very interested in the scriptures and wants to know more about how they're and wants to know more about how they're and wants to know more about how they're connected in Christ and his work. Yeah, connected in Christ and his work. Yeah, connected in Christ and his work. Yeah, absolutely. And yet at the same time, we absolutely. And yet at the same time, we absolutely. And yet at the same time, we want to encourage both uh pastors and want to encourage both uh pastors and want to encourage both uh pastors and even seminary and Bible college students even seminary and Bible college students even seminary and Bible college students that we're going to try to drop some that we're going to try to drop some that we're going to try to drop some nuggets along the way that even if nuggets along the way that even if nuggets along the way that even if you're a little further down the road in you're a little further down the road in you're a little further down the road in your study of biblical theology that we your study of biblical theology that we your study of biblical theology that we think we have some things to be able to think we have some things to be able to think we have some things to be able to share to maybe deepen your own share to maybe deepen your own share to maybe deepen your own understanding of of what's going on in understanding of of what's going on in understanding of of what's going on in the scriptures as well. So that's our the scriptures as well. So that's our the scriptures as well. So that's our hope to try to to uh to serve that hope to try to to uh to serve that hope to try to to uh to serve that breadth of of audience.

breadth of of audience. breadth of of audience. >> Yeah. some insights that we've gleaned >> Yeah. some insights that we've gleaned >> Yeah. some insights that we've gleaned through our through our work maybe that through our through our work maybe that through our through our work maybe that we've read or we've discovered on our we've read or we've discovered on our we've read or we've discovered on our own just some little nuggets like oh own just some little nuggets like oh own just some little nuggets like oh nobody ever taught me that or nobody ever taught me that or nobody ever taught me that or >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> but there it is. >> but there it is. >> but there it is. >> Yeah. And isn't it fascinating to think >> Yeah. And isn't it fascinating to think >> Yeah. And isn't it fascinating to think I mean both of us have been uh in one I mean both of us have been uh in one I mean both of us have been uh in one sense professional Bible students now sense professional Bible students now sense professional Bible students now for about 20 years roughly. And yet each for about 20 years roughly. And yet each for about 20 years roughly. And yet each of us almost on a daily basis, at least of us almost on a daily basis, at least of us almost on a daily basis, at least on a regular basis, a weekly basis, a on a regular basis, a weekly basis, a on a regular basis, a weekly basis, a monthly basis, we're working in the text monthly basis, we're working in the text monthly basis, we're working in the text and we see some things that we think, and we see some things that we think, and we see some things that we think, I've never noticed that before. A lot of I've never noticed that before. A lot of I've never noticed that before. A lot of it is depressing because some of it's so it is depressing because some of it's so it is depressing because some of it's so basic at times. You're like, I either basic at times. You're like, I either basic at times. You're like, I either somebody should have told me this 20 somebody should have told me this 20 somebody should have told me this 20 years ago. years ago. years ago. >> Yeah. or but I you know you just come >> Yeah. or but I you know you just come >> Yeah. or but I you know you just come across things that are so basic at times across things that are so basic at times across things that are so basic at times or at least basic to that text that it or at least basic to that text that it or at least basic to that text that it almost is a little discouraging like oh almost is a little discouraging like oh almost is a little discouraging like oh I should have worked harder 20 years I should have worked harder 20 years I should have worked harder 20 years ago. Yeah, absolutely. But that is part ago. Yeah, absolutely. But that is part ago. Yeah, absolutely. But that is part of the reason that we we want to read of the reason that we we want to read of the reason that we we want to read scripture in community with others. Not scripture in community with others. Not scripture in community with others. Not just on our own by ourselves, but to be just on our own by ourselves, but to be just on our own by ourselves, but to be able to read it with others, both in the able to read it with others, both in the able to read it with others, both in the church as well as even part of reading church as well as even part of reading church as well as even part of reading it with others is reading what other it with others is reading what other it with others is reading what other people have written about scripture to people have written about scripture to people have written about scripture to help us see things that we may not have help us see things that we may not have help us see things that we may not have noticed before.

noticed before. noticed before. >> That's exactly right. >> That's exactly right. >> That's exactly right. >> And on that topic, you think about it. >> And on that topic, you think about it. >> And on that topic, you think about it. Uh, is there any end in sight for books Uh, is there any end in sight for books Uh, is there any end in sight for books on how to read the Bible? I mean, it on how to read the Bible? I mean, it on how to read the Bible? I mean, it seems endless stream of them, right? seems endless stream of them, right? seems endless stream of them, right? >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> So, so why do you think that is? Why are >> So, so why do you think that is? Why are >> So, so why do you think that is? Why are there so many different books on here's there so many different books on here's there so many different books on here's how you should read the Bible? how you should read the Bible? how you should read the Bible? >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, I don't know the answer to this I don't know the answer to this I don't know the answer to this question. The an the question is when question. The an the question is when question. The an the question is when did this start? And I think this started did this start? And I think this started did this start? And I think this started in the in in biblical studies like in in the in in biblical studies like in in the in in biblical studies like in the 80s and especially into the '9s and the 80s and especially into the '9s and the 80s and especially into the '9s and late 90s when the whole question of late 90s when the whole question of late 90s when the whole question of hermeneutics started to come into the hermeneutics started to come into the hermeneutics started to come into the field of the bib of of biblical studies. field of the bib of of biblical studies. field of the bib of of biblical studies. >> Yeah. Just as a side note maybe >> Yeah. Just as a side note maybe >> Yeah. Just as a side note maybe >> I need hermeneutics. So the word Yeah. >> I need hermeneutics. So the word Yeah. >> I need hermeneutics. So the word Yeah. So the word So the word So the word >> the word hermeneutics simply means to >> the word hermeneutics simply means to >> the word hermeneutics simply means to interpret the process of of interpret the process of of interpret the process of of interpreting. And in the last 30ish interpreting. And in the last 30ish interpreting. And in the last 30ish years, biblical studies scholars have years, biblical studies scholars have years, biblical studies scholars have been working on well, how do we been working on well, how do we been working on well, how do we interpret? What does that mean? At a interpret? What does that mean? At a interpret? What does that mean? At a very fundamental level, Christians just very fundamental level, Christians just very fundamental level, Christians just always did it, but in the last 30 to 40 always did it, but in the last 30 to 40 always did it, but in the last 30 to 40 years, we're starting to really drill years, we're starting to really drill years, we're starting to really drill down. And this has to do with larger down. And this has to do with larger down. And this has to do with larger issues that went on in our culture and issues that went on in our culture and issues that went on in our culture and in philosophy.

in philosophy. in philosophy. But so this whole way of this whole idea But so this whole way of this whole idea But so this whole way of this whole idea of different reading strategies is of different reading strategies is of different reading strategies is really a new thing in the last 30 or so really a new thing in the last 30 or so really a new thing in the last 30 or so years. And this gets us to today's years. And this gets us to today's years. And this gets us to today's episode and that is should we read and episode and that is should we read and episode and that is should we read and I'm going to ask it rhetorically. I'm going to ask it rhetorically. I'm going to ask it rhetorically. Should we read the Old Testament like Should we read the Old Testament like Should we read the Old Testament like Jesus? I say it's rhetorical because Jesus? I say it's rhetorical because Jesus? I say it's rhetorical because it's yes. it's yes. it's yes. >> That's right. I don't actually think >> That's right. I don't actually think >> That's right. I don't actually think that that is a serious question even that that is a serious question even that that is a serious question even though most people would say that that though most people would say that that though most people would say that that is a serious question. Yeah. I I think is a serious question. Yeah. I I think is a serious question. Yeah. I I think in the in the church, I don't think that in the in the church, I don't think that in the in the church, I don't think that that's necessarily a super controversial that's necessarily a super controversial that's necessarily a super controversial thing to say, hey, maybe we should read thing to say, hey, maybe we should read thing to say, hey, maybe we should read the Bible the way Jesus. But I don't the Bible the way Jesus. But I don't the Bible the way Jesus. But I don't even think, and I I was considering this even think, and I I was considering this even think, and I I was considering this just the other day, my sense is that just the other day, my sense is that just the other day, my sense is that people don't even ask the question, people don't even ask the question, people don't even ask the question, should I read like Jesus? Or how does should I read like Jesus? Or how does should I read like Jesus? Or how does Jesus even read the Old Testament? I Jesus even read the Old Testament? I Jesus even read the Old Testament? I don't think most people even don't think most people even don't think most people even consider that line of thought. consider that line of thought. consider that line of thought. >> Yeah. Wait a minute. Jesus read the Old >> Yeah. Wait a minute. Jesus read the Old >> Yeah. Wait a minute. Jesus read the Old Testament or at least you know something Testament or at least you know something Testament or at least you know something along those lines is I think a radical along those lines is I think a radical along those lines is I think a radical idea for most believers. I don't think idea for most believers. I don't think idea for most believers. I don't think this is just a scholarly thing. Yeah, I this is just a scholarly thing. Yeah, I this is just a scholarly thing. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

think that's fair. I think that's fair. think that's fair. I think that's fair. I think that um framing the question I think that um framing the question I think that um framing the question that pointedly and that specifically is that pointedly and that specifically is that pointedly and that specifically is something that Yeah, I don't think a lot something that Yeah, I don't think a lot something that Yeah, I don't think a lot of believers have necessarily spent a of believers have necessarily spent a of believers have necessarily spent a ton of time thinking about. Maybe they ton of time thinking about. Maybe they ton of time thinking about. Maybe they notice as they're reading through the notice as they're reading through the notice as they're reading through the Gospels, as Jesus is quoting scripture, Gospels, as Jesus is quoting scripture, Gospels, as Jesus is quoting scripture, he's quoting the Old Testament, that he's quoting the Old Testament, that he's quoting the Old Testament, that they might think, "Oh, well, that's they might think, "Oh, well, that's they might think, "Oh, well, that's interesting that Jesus chooses that interesting that Jesus chooses that interesting that Jesus chooses that text, or I wonder why he chose this text, or I wonder why he chose this text, or I wonder why he chose this text, or you know, sometimes text, or you know, sometimes text, or you know, sometimes >> the way that Jesus uses scripture, it >> the way that Jesus uses scripture, it >> the way that Jesus uses scripture, it seems pretty straightforward." And other seems pretty straightforward." And other seems pretty straightforward." And other times you look at it and go, "Huh, times you look at it and go, "Huh, times you look at it and go, "Huh, that's interesting. I don't know that I that's interesting. I don't know that I that's interesting. I don't know that I would have made that connection." Yeah, would have made that connection." Yeah, would have made that connection." Yeah, it it it I think your average Christian it it it I think your average Christian it it it I think your average Christian would say, "Yeah, sure. Jesus liked the would say, "Yeah, sure. Jesus liked the would say, "Yeah, sure. Jesus liked the Old Testament. I hope so." Old Testament. I hope so." Old Testament. I hope so." >> Or, you know, or had some sense of it. >> Or, you know, or had some sense of it. >> Or, you know, or had some sense of it. Uh, but how did he read it? Can I Uh, but how did he read it? Can I Uh, but how did he read it? Can I imitate that? Can I do those are those imitate that? Can I do those are those imitate that? Can I do those are those are questions that are that are not are questions that are that are not are questions that are that are not often asked? And that's a question that often asked? And that's a question that often asked? And that's a question that we want to talk about today.

we want to talk about today. we want to talk about today. >> Yeah. And it seems like such a simple >> Yeah. And it seems like such a simple >> Yeah. And it seems like such a simple starting point, right? I mean, you think starting point, right? I mean, you think starting point, right? I mean, you think about out of all the myriad of ways, the about out of all the myriad of ways, the about out of all the myriad of ways, the different reading strategies, as you different reading strategies, as you different reading strategies, as you called them earlier, of how you can read called them earlier, of how you can read called them earlier, of how you can read the Bible, it seems like when you stop the Bible, it seems like when you stop the Bible, it seems like when you stop to ask, well, maybe we should read it to ask, well, maybe we should read it to ask, well, maybe we should read it like Jesus did, it almost seems like, like Jesus did, it almost seems like, like Jesus did, it almost seems like, well, duh, like, well, well, obviously well, duh, like, well, well, obviously well, duh, like, well, well, obviously we should probably I mean, if he's if we should probably I mean, if he's if we should probably I mean, if he's if he's the son of God and the only, you he's the son of God and the only, you he's the son of God and the only, you know, he's he he's the one who inspired know, he's he he's the one who inspired know, he's he he's the one who inspired the text to begin with if you believe in the text to begin with if you believe in the text to begin with if you believe in what scripture says then maybe we should what scripture says then maybe we should what scripture says then maybe we should start with I don't know how he read it start with I don't know how he read it start with I don't know how he read it and interpreted it as a good and interpreted it as a good and interpreted it as a good >> starting point not not just indicator >> starting point not not just indicator >> starting point not not just indicator but starting point in the process like but starting point in the process like but starting point in the process like it's almost we should it's almost we should it's almost we should >> so few start with Jesus use of the old >> so few start with Jesus use of the old >> so few start with Jesus use of the old testament and work backwards what testament and work backwards what testament and work backwards what typically happens typically happens typically happens >> is that we come up with our own way of >> is that we come up with our own way of >> is that we come up with our own way of reading the old testament and then reading the old testament and then reading the old testament and then somewhere along the line we think about somewhere along the line we think about somewhere along the line we think about how Jesus used Do you see it kind of how Jesus used Do you see it kind of how Jesus used Do you see it kind of farther down in the process? Instead, farther down in the process? Instead, farther down in the process? Instead, the question is, well, maybe we should the question is, well, maybe we should the question is, well, maybe we should begin with this very simple question.

begin with this very simple question. begin with this very simple question. Did Jesus read the Old Testament? Well, Did Jesus read the Old Testament? Well, Did Jesus read the Old Testament? Well, the follow-up question is, well, then the follow-up question is, well, then the follow-up question is, well, then should I do what he did? Right? And I I should I do what he did? Right? And I I should I do what he did? Right? And I I would add here that Jesus is not um he's would add here that Jesus is not um he's would add here that Jesus is not um he's this is going to sound crazy. He's not this is going to sound crazy. He's not this is going to sound crazy. He's not unique in the sense that it's not like unique in the sense that it's not like unique in the sense that it's not like he's making this radical departure from he's making this radical departure from he's making this radical departure from how the Old Testament writers read and how the Old Testament writers read and how the Old Testament writers read and interpreted earlier Old Testament texts. interpreted earlier Old Testament texts. interpreted earlier Old Testament texts. Like when you look at how the prophets Like when you look at how the prophets Like when you look at how the prophets interpret the first five books, the interpret the first five books, the interpret the first five books, the Torah, how how they are interpreting the Torah, how how they are interpreting the Torah, how how they are interpreting the Bible, Jesus uses many if not all of the Bible, Jesus uses many if not all of the Bible, Jesus uses many if not all of the same sorts of approaches in how he's same sorts of approaches in how he's same sorts of approaches in how he's reading the Old Testament itself. And reading the Old Testament itself. And reading the Old Testament itself. And then scripture is clear. He taught his then scripture is clear. He taught his then scripture is clear. He taught his disciples to read scripture the same disciples to read scripture the same disciples to read scripture the same way. way. way. >> And we we'll get to some of those texts >> And we we'll get to some of those texts >> And we we'll get to some of those texts in a little bit, in a little bit, in a little bit, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But we should start with uh one passage >> But we should start with uh one passage >> But we should start with uh one passage that is is just foundational to Luke's that is is just foundational to Luke's that is is just foundational to Luke's gospel. And one of the reasons that gospel. And one of the reasons that gospel. And one of the reasons that we're going to work in Luke's gospel we're going to work in Luke's gospel we're going to work in Luke's gospel today is you have to narrow the field today is you have to narrow the field today is you have to narrow the field somewhere. There's so many texts that somewhere. There's so many texts that somewhere. There's so many texts that you could potentially talk about. And you could potentially talk about. And you could potentially talk about. And both of us have done some work in Luke.

both of us have done some work in Luke. both of us have done some work in Luke. And Luke, I would say, and I know you And Luke, I would say, and I know you And Luke, I would say, and I know you would agree with this, this is one of would agree with this, this is one of would agree with this, this is one of his major emphases. This is one of his his major emphases. This is one of his his major emphases. This is one of his key uh highlights when you compare his key uh highlights when you compare his key uh highlights when you compare his gospel account to Matthew and to Mark gospel account to Matthew and to Mark gospel account to Matthew and to Mark and to John. Luke is even more explicit and to John. Luke is even more explicit and to John. Luke is even more explicit about this issue of how did Jesus read about this issue of how did Jesus read about this issue of how did Jesus read the Bible and teach his disciples to the Bible and teach his disciples to the Bible and teach his disciples to read the Bible. It's not that it's not read the Bible. It's not that it's not read the Bible. It's not that it's not present in the other gospels, but it's present in the other gospels, but it's present in the other gospels, but it's like Luke is saying, I want to make sure like Luke is saying, I want to make sure like Luke is saying, I want to make sure that you don't miss this. And so, he that you don't miss this. And so, he that you don't miss this. And so, he goes out of his way to highlight this. goes out of his way to highlight this. goes out of his way to highlight this. And we're going to look at a couple of And we're going to look at a couple of And we're going to look at a couple of key texts where this comes out. Uh Ben, key texts where this comes out. Uh Ben, key texts where this comes out. Uh Ben, let's go ahead and start in Luke 4. Why let's go ahead and start in Luke 4. Why let's go ahead and start in Luke 4. Why don't you give us a little bit of don't you give us a little bit of don't you give us a little bit of context here of what we're going to see context here of what we're going to see context here of what we're going to see before we dive in and maybe read just a before we dive in and maybe read just a before we dive in and maybe read just a couple of verses out of this? couple of verses out of this? couple of verses out of this? >> Yeah. So Luke is going to set up um >> Yeah. So Luke is going to set up um >> Yeah. So Luke is going to set up um we're going to focus on Jesus rejection we're going to focus on Jesus rejection we're going to focus on Jesus rejection at Nazareth. But before we get there, we at Nazareth. But before we get there, we at Nazareth. But before we get there, we need to take inventory. We get the um need to take inventory. We get the um need to take inventory. We get the um his baptism in the Jordan. And then we his baptism in the Jordan. And then we his baptism in the Jordan. And then we immediately get this genealogy, which is immediately get this genealogy, which is immediately get this genealogy, which is very interesting that it's that it's put very interesting that it's that it's put very interesting that it's that it's put here. Matthew opens with the genealogy.

here. Matthew opens with the genealogy. here. Matthew opens with the genealogy. Luke is going to put it in between the Luke is going to put it in between the Luke is going to put it in between the uh baptism and the temptation. So he uh baptism and the temptation. So he uh baptism and the temptation. So he squeezes it in between those two events squeezes it in between those two events squeezes it in between those two events events. Jesus is tempted. events. Jesus is tempted. events. Jesus is tempted. And then right after the temptation, we And then right after the temptation, we And then right after the temptation, we get just two little verses that set up get just two little verses that set up get just two little verses that set up his rejection at Nazareth. And that is his rejection at Nazareth. And that is his rejection at Nazareth. And that is verse 14. When Jesus goes into Galilee verse 14. When Jesus goes into Galilee verse 14. When Jesus goes into Galilee in the power of the spirit, news about in the power of the spirit, news about in the power of the spirit, news about him spread throughout the entire him spread throughout the entire him spread throughout the entire vicinity. He was teaching in their vicinity. He was teaching in their vicinity. He was teaching in their synagogues being praised by everyone. synagogues being praised by everyone. synagogues being praised by everyone. So, so far you read these two verses, So, so far you read these two verses, So, so far you read these two verses, you're like, "This is terrific." you're like, "This is terrific." you're like, "This is terrific." uh Jesus is preaching about the kingdom uh Jesus is preaching about the kingdom uh Jesus is preaching about the kingdom about uh the nature of his ministry to about uh the nature of his ministry to about uh the nature of his ministry to some extent and it's going pretty well. some extent and it's going pretty well. some extent and it's going pretty well. There's a lot of good reception and then There's a lot of good reception and then There's a lot of good reception and then he goes to Nazareth. Now he goes to Nazareth. Now he goes to Nazareth. Now Luke is the only author to frontload Luke is the only author to frontload Luke is the only author to frontload this rejection here. So in Matthew and this rejection here. So in Matthew and this rejection here. So in Matthew and in Mark the rejection is later in the in Mark the rejection is later in the in Mark the rejection is later in the narrative. Luke is going to frontload narrative. Luke is going to frontload narrative. Luke is going to frontload it. Now, this is probably because of it. Now, this is probably because of it. Now, this is probably because of what Luke is about and especially what what Luke is about and especially what what Luke is about and especially what Acts is about about the gospel going uh Acts is about about the gospel going uh Acts is about about the gospel going uh to God's very own people and yet there's to God's very own people and yet there's to God's very own people and yet there's a lot of rejection uh to it. So, we get a lot of rejection uh to it. So, we get a lot of rejection uh to it. So, we get this rejection at Nazareth. But what is this rejection at Nazareth. But what is this rejection at Nazareth. But what is also unique to Luke is the inclusion of also unique to Luke is the inclusion of also unique to Luke is the inclusion of the Isaiah 61 quotation. So, Matt, why the Isaiah 61 quotation. So, Matt, why the Isaiah 61 quotation. So, Matt, why don't you go ahead and read?

don't you go ahead and read? don't you go ahead and read? Where did you want to pick this up? Where did you want to pick this up? Where did you want to pick this up? Yeah, we can just pick it up in uh let's Yeah, we can just pick it up in uh let's Yeah, we can just pick it up in uh let's see 16 see 16 see 16 16 to 19. 16 to 19. 16 to 19. >> Yeah, let's do that. Uh this is Luke 4 >> Yeah, let's do that. Uh this is Luke 4 >> Yeah, let's do that. Uh this is Luke 4 starting in verse 16. And he that is starting in verse 16. And he that is starting in verse 16. And he that is Jesus came to Nazareth where he had been Jesus came to Nazareth where he had been Jesus came to Nazareth where he had been brought up and he was and as was his brought up and he was and as was his brought up and he was and as was his custom he went into the synagogue on the custom he went into the synagogue on the custom he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and he stood up to read. Now Sabbath day and he stood up to read. Now Sabbath day and he stood up to read. Now hold up. It says where he had been hold up. It says where he had been hold up. It says where he had been brought up. Now, we learned in 3:23 that brought up. Now, we learned in 3:23 that brought up. Now, we learned in 3:23 that Jesus is about 30 years old. So, that's Jesus is about 30 years old. So, that's Jesus is about 30 years old. So, that's a long time in Nazareth. a long time in Nazareth. a long time in Nazareth. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Does he know these people at Nazareth? >> Does he know these people at Nazareth? >> Does he know these people at Nazareth? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Do they know him? >> Do they know him? >> Do they know him? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Now, now Nazareth, a lot of >> Absolutely. Now, now Nazareth, a lot of >> Absolutely. Now, now Nazareth, a lot of scholars think Nazareth is only about a scholars think Nazareth is only about a scholars think Nazareth is only about a population of about 500 people. So, population of about 500 people. So, population of about 500 people. So, small town. He's been there his whole small town. He's been there his whole small town. He's been there his whole life. They all know each other. So Luke life. They all know each other. So Luke life. They all know each other. So Luke wants you to go into this event thinking wants you to go into this event thinking wants you to go into this event thinking these people know him and his family these people know him and his family these people know him and his family intimately. They played together. They intimately. They played together. They intimately. They played together. They went to the synagogue together. They went to the synagogue together. They went to the synagogue together. They were educated together. This is his were educated together. This is his were educated together. This is his family. This is his community which family. This is his community which family. This is his community which makes it just raises the whole stakes.

makes it just raises the whole stakes. makes it just raises the whole stakes. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Okay. So >> Okay. So >> Okay. So >> sorry for interjecting. >> sorry for interjecting. >> sorry for interjecting. >> You're good. You're good. Verse uh verse >> You're good. You're good. Verse uh verse >> You're good. You're good. Verse uh verse 17. And he uh and the scroll of the 17. And he uh and the scroll of the 17. And he uh and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He prophet Isaiah was given to him. He prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled unrolled unrolled the scroll the scroll the scroll and found the place where it is written. and found the place where it is written. and found the place where it is written. The spirit of the Lord is upon me The spirit of the Lord is upon me The spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to proclaim because he has anointed me to proclaim because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to good news to the poor. He has sent me to good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim re uh sorry liberty to the proclaim re uh sorry liberty to the proclaim re uh sorry liberty to the captives and remove uh recovering of captives and remove uh recovering of captives and remove uh recovering of sight to the blind sight to the blind sight to the blind to set at liberty those who are to set at liberty those who are to set at liberty those who are oppressed to proclaim the year of the oppressed to proclaim the year of the oppressed to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor. Lord's favor. Lord's favor. And he rolled up the scroll and gave it And he rolled up the scroll and gave it And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And back to the attendant and sat down. And back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all the congre uh sorry all the eyes of all the congre uh sorry all the eyes of all the congre uh sorry all the congregants congregation were uh the congregants congregation were uh the congregants congregation were uh were upon him.

were upon him. were upon him. And he began to say to them, "Today this And he began to say to them, "Today this And he began to say to them, "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your scripture has been fulfilled in your scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing." hearing." hearing." Yeah, that's pretty amazing. In fact, in Yeah, that's pretty amazing. In fact, in Yeah, that's pretty amazing. In fact, in verse 22, they were all speaking well of verse 22, they were all speaking well of verse 22, they were all speaking well of him and were amazed by the gracious him and were amazed by the gracious him and were amazed by the gracious words that came from his mouth. words that came from his mouth. words that came from his mouth. >> Yeah. So, it's talk about a mic drop >> Yeah. So, it's talk about a mic drop >> Yeah. So, it's talk about a mic drop moment. I mean, I mean, you thinking moment. I mean, I mean, you thinking moment. I mean, I mean, you thinking you're sitting in the synagogue and you're sitting in the synagogue and you're sitting in the synagogue and here's here's Jesus now, a grown man. here's here's Jesus now, a grown man. here's here's Jesus now, a grown man. He's he's, you know, around 30ish, He's he's, you know, around 30ish, He's he's, you know, around 30ish, right? And like you said, they've known right? And like you said, they've known right? And like you said, they've known this kid since he was a little toddler. this kid since he was a little toddler. this kid since he was a little toddler. And now you have him. Oh, great. He's And now you have him. Oh, great. He's And now you have him. Oh, great. He's reading scripture. It's beautiful. And reading scripture. It's beautiful. And reading scripture. It's beautiful. And he says, "No, no, no. What we just read he says, "No, no, no. What we just read he says, "No, no, no. What we just read from Isaiah from Isaiah from Isaiah today, it's fulfilled in me." Like the today, it's fulfilled in me." Like the today, it's fulfilled in me." Like the fulfillment is here. All of this long fulfillment is here. All of this long fulfillment is here. All of this long expected promise, the fulfillment is expected promise, the fulfillment is expected promise, the fulfillment is here. Now, this is interesting because here. Now, this is interesting because here. Now, this is interesting because it tells us that Jesus wasn't doing this it tells us that Jesus wasn't doing this it tells us that Jesus wasn't doing this growing up. Yeah. the fact that in fact growing up. Yeah. the fact that in fact growing up. Yeah. the fact that in fact at the end we didn't read this at the at the end we didn't read this at the at the end we didn't read this at the end of 22 yet they said isn't this end of 22 yet they said isn't this end of 22 yet they said isn't this Joseph's son which means we know him Joseph's son which means we know him Joseph's son which means we know him yeah he's doing so this is unusual he yeah he's doing so this is unusual he yeah he's doing so this is unusual he doesn't typically read scripture and say doesn't typically read scripture and say doesn't typically read scripture and say it's me it spoke of me it's me it spoke of me it's me it spoke of me >> that's right >> that's right >> that's right >> this was a change in Jesus ministry so >> this was a change in Jesus ministry so >> this was a change in Jesus ministry so really I mean again we're now

really I mean again we're now really I mean again we're now postbaptism that's when his God postbaptism that's when his God postbaptism that's when his God commissioned him to be commissioned him to be commissioned him to be uh the greater Adam, the greater David uh the greater Adam, the greater David uh the greater Adam, the greater David and the son of God. There's a and the son of God. There's a and the son of God. There's a commissioning there. And at that moment, commissioning there. And at that moment, commissioning there. And at that moment, things changed. things changed. things changed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In his life. Now it's time. Now the time >> In his life. Now it's time. Now the time >> In his life. Now it's time. Now the time of of fulfillment has arrived. And now of of fulfillment has arrived. And now of of fulfillment has arrived. And now here he is explicitly identifying here he is explicitly identifying here he is explicitly identifying himself as this servant. Now let me ask himself as this servant. Now let me ask himself as this servant. Now let me ask you this, Matt. So we've it's a pretty you this, Matt. So we've it's a pretty you this, Matt. So we've it's a pretty good quotation. And so in in the English good quotation. And so in in the English good quotation. And so in in the English translations, verses 18- 19 in my translations, verses 18- 19 in my translations, verses 18- 19 in my translation, I'm reading from the CSV, translation, I'm reading from the CSV, translation, I'm reading from the CSV, it's in bold font, which is how they it's in bold font, which is how they it's in bold font, which is how they mark quotations. mark quotations. mark quotations. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In the ESV, is it just quotation marks? >> In the ESV, is it just quotation marks? >> In the ESV, is it just quotation marks? Is that how that works? Is that how that works? Is that how that works? >> Uh, yeah. It's just set apart in poetic >> Uh, yeah. It's just set apart in poetic >> Uh, yeah. It's just set apart in poetic lines, but yes, it's it's set apart in lines, but yes, it's it's set apart in lines, but yes, it's it's set apart in quotation marks. Yeah. quotation marks. Yeah. quotation marks. Yeah. >> Do you think Jesus read more than this >> Do you think Jesus read more than this >> Do you think Jesus read more than this text? text? text? >> Well, we don't know. was a struggle. But >> Well, we don't know. was a struggle. But >> Well, we don't know. was a struggle. But um it it seems likely to me that um it it seems likely to me that um it it seems likely to me that >> he doesn't he's not just cherrypicking >> he doesn't he's not just cherrypicking >> he doesn't he's not just cherrypicking two verses out of Isaiah 61 and saying, two verses out of Isaiah 61 and saying, two verses out of Isaiah 61 and saying, "Okay, here's a great proof text and "Okay, here's a great proof text and "Okay, here's a great proof text and then just ignoring the surrounding then just ignoring the surrounding then just ignoring the surrounding context." I think he's very context." I think he's very context." I think he's very intentionally uh drawing upon the larger intentionally uh drawing upon the larger intentionally uh drawing upon the larger themes and of the paragraphs and the themes and of the paragraphs and the themes and of the paragraphs and the really the larger book of Isaiah, that really the larger book of Isaiah, that really the larger book of Isaiah, that larger section as well. So, yeah, larger section as well. So, yeah, larger section as well. So, yeah, absolutely. That's right. I perhaps he absolutely. That's right. I perhaps he absolutely. That's right. I perhaps he only read this I I suspect he didn't, only read this I I suspect he didn't, only read this I I suspect he didn't, but perhaps he only read these few lines

but perhaps he only read these few lines but perhaps he only read these few lines from Isaiah 61. At least he still has from Isaiah 61. At least he still has from Isaiah 61. At least he still has much of Isaiah in mind. And we know, we much of Isaiah in mind. And we know, we much of Isaiah in mind. And we know, we can actually tell that can actually tell that can actually tell that it's difficult here, Matt, because it's difficult here, Matt, because it's difficult here, Matt, because >> our cross references aren't quite the >> our cross references aren't quite the >> our cross references aren't quite the best. They're not quite what they should best. They're not quite what they should best. They're not quite what they should be. If you were to track all of the be. If you were to track all of the be. If you were to track all of the quotations and illusions up to this quotations and illusions up to this quotations and illusions up to this point in Luke's narrative, there are a point in Luke's narrative, there are a point in Luke's narrative, there are a ton from Isaiah. ton from Isaiah. ton from Isaiah. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Starting in chapter 1 all the way up, >> Starting in chapter 1 all the way up, >> Starting in chapter 1 all the way up, we're now I haven't count them. I should we're now I haven't count them. I should we're now I haven't count them. I should count them, but there are a lot up to count them, but there are a lot up to count them, but there are a lot up to this. So, by the time Jesus reads Isaiah this. So, by the time Jesus reads Isaiah this. So, by the time Jesus reads Isaiah 61, the reader of Luke, the attuned 61, the reader of Luke, the attuned 61, the reader of Luke, the attuned reader, would realize, oh, we've been reader, would realize, oh, we've been reader, would realize, oh, we've been getting fin like we're finally moving to getting fin like we're finally moving to getting fin like we're finally moving to this point. really would have been nice this point. really would have been nice this point. really would have been nice kind of capstone to what Luke is already kind of capstone to what Luke is already kind of capstone to what Luke is already doing. Yes. In other words, in other doing. Yes. In other words, in other doing. Yes. In other words, in other words, he's pulling a great deal of words, he's pulling a great deal of words, he's pulling a great deal of weight from Isaiah, not just this little weight from Isaiah, not just this little weight from Isaiah, not just this little section. So, the word here, this is a section. So, the word here, this is a section. So, the word here, this is a text, you know this quite well. I mean, text, you know this quite well. I mean, text, you know this quite well. I mean, you just you have you have a book on it, you just you have you have a book on it, you just you have you have a book on it, but this is a servant text but this is a servant text but this is a servant text >> from Isaiah. And those servant passages, >> from Isaiah. And those servant passages, >> from Isaiah. And those servant passages, there there are clusters of them, five, there there are clusters of them, five, there there are clusters of them, five, there's debate, four or five, but there's debate, four or five, but there's debate, four or five, but they're all tied together. And this is they're all tied together. And this is they're all tied together. And this is >> this is one of the most explicit servant >> this is one of the most explicit servant >> this is one of the most explicit servant text. It's one of the most text. It's one of the most text. It's one of the most >> positive texts. Like there's you don't >> positive texts. Like there's you don't >> positive texts. Like there's you don't have there's no mention here of him have there's no mention here of him have there's no mention here of him suffering. It's a text where suffering. It's a text where suffering. It's a text where he's he's now occupying a his prophetic

he's he's now occupying a his prophetic he's he's now occupying a his prophetic voice of announcing that the new age has voice of announcing that the new age has voice of announcing that the new age has come. the age of restoration that this come. the age of restoration that this come. the age of restoration that this jubilee this esqueological time period jubilee this esqueological time period jubilee this esqueological time period end at the very end of history when God end at the very end of history when God end at the very end of history when God would restore his people this liberation would restore his people this liberation would restore his people this liberation I mean this is a text where everybody I mean this is a text where everybody I mean this is a text where everybody was excited about yes and it's striking was excited about yes and it's striking was excited about yes and it's striking that at the end of that uh quotation that at the end of that uh quotation that at the end of that uh quotation he says to proclaim the year of the he says to proclaim the year of the he says to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor and he it stops there Lord's favor and he it stops there Lord's favor and he it stops there because the next line in Isaiah 61 it's because the next line in Isaiah 61 it's because the next line in Isaiah 61 it's got some punch. got some punch. got some punch. >> Yeah. It's about about vengeance. >> Yeah. It's about about vengeance. >> Yeah. It's about about vengeance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, uh I think there's an >> And so, uh I think there's an >> And so, uh I think there's an intentional stop there because what intentional stop there because what intentional stop there because what Jesus is signaling is his arrival Jesus is signaling is his arrival Jesus is signaling is his arrival signals restoration and not just and signals restoration and not just and signals restoration and not just and this is where I think he's Jesus had to this is where I think he's Jesus had to this is where I think he's Jesus had to be careful because um people easily be careful because um people easily be careful because um people easily misunderstood what he meant when he misunderstood what he meant when he misunderstood what he meant when he would use terms like restoration or even would use terms like restoration or even would use terms like restoration or even the kingdom or even the word here. I the kingdom or even the word here. I the kingdom or even the word here. I mean, look at this. To set free the mean, look at this. To set free the mean, look at this. To set free the oppressed. Yeah. So, they're, you know, oppressed. Yeah. So, they're, you know, oppressed. Yeah. So, they're, you know, Israel in the first century, they would Israel in the first century, they would Israel in the first century, they would see themselves as being politic, they see themselves as being politic, they see themselves as being politic, they were politically oppressed.

were politically oppressed. were politically oppressed. >> That's right. They were under Roman >> That's right. They were under Roman >> That's right. They were under Roman occupation. occupation. occupation. >> Yes. So, the Nazarines, they are going >> Yes. So, the Nazarines, they are going >> Yes. So, the Nazarines, they are going to say, "Yes, now is the time." He reads to say, "Yes, now is the time." He reads to say, "Yes, now is the time." He reads Isaiah 61. And now the Nazarines are Isaiah 61. And now the Nazarines are Isaiah 61. And now the Nazarines are saying, "It's go. Let's do this thing." saying, "It's go. Let's do this thing." saying, "It's go. Let's do this thing." >> Yeah. That's right. here here at last >> Yeah. That's right. here here at last >> Yeah. That's right. here here at last the Romans are going to be overthrown the Romans are going to be overthrown the Romans are going to be overthrown and Israel is going to be reestablished and Israel is going to be reestablished and Israel is going to be reestablished as a political kingdom and this is the as a political kingdom and this is the as a political kingdom and this is the start of something you know the sort of start of something you know the sort of start of something you know the sort of this renewed Davidic kingdom and yet this renewed Davidic kingdom and yet this renewed Davidic kingdom and yet it's it's almost as if what the gospels it's it's almost as if what the gospels it's it's almost as if what the gospels are saying is are saying is are saying is actually not quite because yes there is actually not quite because yes there is actually not quite because yes there is restoration but what Jesus is signaling restoration but what Jesus is signaling restoration but what Jesus is signaling is I'm here for an even greater kind of is I'm here for an even greater kind of is I'm here for an even greater kind of restor restoration, not just some sort restor restoration, not just some sort restor restoration, not just some sort of like let's make Israel great again, of like let's make Israel great again, of like let's make Israel great again, but let's free people from their but let's free people from their but let's free people from their greatest enemies of sin, death, and the greatest enemies of sin, death, and the greatest enemies of sin, death, and the devil. devil. devil. >> And that's the kind of restoration >> And that's the kind of restoration >> And that's the kind of restoration >> they read that word or they're they hear >> they read that word or they're they hear >> they read that word or they're they hear that word oppressed, they're thinking that word oppressed, they're thinking that word oppressed, they're thinking mostly political. When Jesus uses that mostly political. When Jesus uses that mostly political. When Jesus uses that word oppressed, he's thinking spiritual word oppressed, he's thinking spiritual word oppressed, he's thinking spiritual oppression oppression oppression >> from the devil, from their own sin, >> from the devil, from their own sin, >> from the devil, from their own sin, their own wickedness. Yeah, their own wickedness. Yeah, their own wickedness. Yeah, >> he's using a different category here.

>> he's using a different category here. >> he's using a different category here. They're they're thinking in terms of They're they're thinking in terms of They're they're thinking in terms of political political political >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> uh nuances, but he's he's speaking here >> uh nuances, but he's he's speaking here >> uh nuances, but he's he's speaking here in primarily spiritual terms. And that's in primarily spiritual terms. And that's in primarily spiritual terms. And that's why Yeah. So that so there's just a why Yeah. So that so there's just a why Yeah. So that so there's just a complete misunder. So they in other complete misunder. So they in other complete misunder. So they in other words, they get it, but they don't. They words, they get it, but they don't. They words, they get it, but they don't. They get the sense that there's something new get the sense that there's something new get the sense that there's something new is that they're on the cusp or there's a is that they're on the cusp or there's a is that they're on the cusp or there's a there's an inbreaking of something new there's an inbreaking of something new there's an inbreaking of something new here, but they're reading it the wrong here, but they're reading it the wrong here, but they're reading it the wrong way. They're applying it the wrong way. They're applying it the wrong way. They're applying it the wrong direction. direction. direction. >> Yeah. So, Ben, let's try to draw this to >> Yeah. So, Ben, let's try to draw this to >> Yeah. So, Ben, let's try to draw this to a finer point here. What does this tell a finer point here. What does this tell a finer point here. What does this tell us about how Jesus reads the Old us about how Jesus reads the Old us about how Jesus reads the Old Testament? Testament? Testament? >> Yeah. And so, number one, there are >> Yeah. And so, number one, there are >> Yeah. And so, number one, there are three things that come to mind. Number three things that come to mind. Number three things that come to mind. Number one, that he is clearly one, that he is clearly one, that he is clearly identifying that with his ministry is identifying that with his ministry is identifying that with his ministry is the beginning of the new age. This is the beginning of the new age. This is the beginning of the new age. This is the this Isaiah 61 is one of the classic the this Isaiah 61 is one of the classic the this Isaiah 61 is one of the classic texts that announce the beginning of the texts that announce the beginning of the texts that announce the beginning of the new creation in the new age that is new creation in the new age that is new creation in the new age that is indisputable. And the fact that he even indisputable. And the fact that he even indisputable. And the fact that he even just says today as you as you listen just says today as you as you listen just says today as you as you listen this scripture has been fulfilled if you this scripture has been fulfilled if you this scripture has been fulfilled if you would have just read it and we don't would have just read it and we don't would have just read it and we don't have that line. So I think a good reader have that line. So I think a good reader have that line. So I think a good reader would have actually figured that out.

would have actually figured that out. would have actually figured that out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But we have it explicitly and he says it >> But we have it explicitly and he says it >> But we have it explicitly and he says it explicitly because he's doubling down. explicitly because he's doubling down. explicitly because he's doubling down. No, it really is like the end of all No, it really is like the end of all No, it really is like the end of all things is here. The restoration is here. things is here. The restoration is here. things is here. The restoration is here. The new age is now breaking in. So, what The new age is now breaking in. So, what The new age is now breaking in. So, what we what we can take away here is that we what we can take away here is that we what we can take away here is that when we read Isaiah and I would say the when we read Isaiah and I would say the when we read Isaiah and I would say the other prophets as well, that these other prophets as well, that these other prophets as well, that these prophecies that were supposed to happen prophecies that were supposed to happen prophecies that were supposed to happen at the end of Israel's history are now at the end of Israel's history are now at the end of Israel's history are now beginning its fulfillment in Christ. beginning its fulfillment in Christ. beginning its fulfillment in Christ. Here he's explicitly mentioning Isaiah Here he's explicitly mentioning Isaiah Here he's explicitly mentioning Isaiah 61, but I think it's almost all of 61, but I think it's almost all of 61, but I think it's almost all of Isaiah is bound up with this text and Isaiah is bound up with this text and Isaiah is bound up with this text and all the other prophets as well. Yeah, all the other prophets as well. Yeah, all the other prophets as well. Yeah, that's that's one thing that I would that's that's one thing that I would that's that's one thing that I would say. Would you is there anything you say. Would you is there anything you say. Would you is there anything you wanted to mention with that? wanted to mention with that? wanted to mention with that? >> Well, and I would just uh add that >> Well, and I would just uh add that >> Well, and I would just uh add that Jesus puts himself at the center of what Jesus puts himself at the center of what Jesus puts himself at the center of what the Old Testament message is about. the Old Testament message is about. the Old Testament message is about. We'll see that even more clearly in in We'll see that even more clearly in in We'll see that even more clearly in in another text we'll look at later. But he another text we'll look at later. But he another text we'll look at later. But he is the pivotal figure. He is the hinge is the pivotal figure. He is the hinge is the pivotal figure. He is the hinge point with uh the with his arrival. And point with uh the with his arrival. And point with uh the with his arrival. And I think it helps us to understand even I think it helps us to understand even I think it helps us to understand even the nature of the kind of restoration the nature of the kind of restoration the nature of the kind of restoration he's talking about is not focused on he's talking about is not focused on he's talking about is not focused on some sort of political revival of some sort of political revival of some sort of political revival of Israel's fortunes, but ultimately Israel's fortunes, but ultimately Israel's fortunes, but ultimately focused on deliverance from our greatest focused on deliverance from our greatest focused on deliverance from our greatest enemies of sin, death, and the devil.

enemies of sin, death, and the devil. enemies of sin, death, and the devil. And to to be clear, that's in Isaiah. And to to be clear, that's in Isaiah. And to to be clear, that's in Isaiah. Jesus is not importing something or Jesus is not importing something or Jesus is not importing something or imposing something onto Isaiah as if imposing something onto Isaiah as if imposing something onto Isaiah as if he's saying, "Well, Isaiah was about he's saying, "Well, Isaiah was about he's saying, "Well, Isaiah was about political kingdoms, but I'm telling you political kingdoms, but I'm telling you political kingdoms, but I'm telling you it's about spiritual realities." No. it's about spiritual realities." No. it's about spiritual realities." No. Within Isaiah itself, Within Isaiah itself, Within Isaiah itself, Israel's captivity is a picture of their Israel's captivity is a picture of their Israel's captivity is a picture of their their political captivity is a picture their political captivity is a picture their political captivity is a picture of their even greater captivity to sin of their even greater captivity to sin of their even greater captivity to sin and death and the devil and all of and death and the devil and all of and death and the devil and all of humanity's captivity, not just Israel's, humanity's captivity, not just Israel's, humanity's captivity, not just Israel's, but the nation's captivity as well. And but the nation's captivity as well. And but the nation's captivity as well. And that's ultimately what Isaiah is that's ultimately what Isaiah is that's ultimately what Isaiah is announcing is there's a day coming when announcing is there's a day coming when announcing is there's a day coming when this spirit anointed servant figure is this spirit anointed servant figure is this spirit anointed servant figure is going to come and he's going to going to come and he's going to going to come and he's going to accomplish the redemption not just of accomplish the redemption not just of accomplish the redemption not just of Israel but ultimately of all the nations Israel but ultimately of all the nations Israel but ultimately of all the nations as well. Now this is important Matt as well. Now this is important Matt as well. Now this is important Matt because Isaiah 61 is when Isaiah talks because Isaiah 61 is when Isaiah talks because Isaiah 61 is when Isaiah talks about the restoration of all things he's about the restoration of all things he's about the restoration of all things he's thinking in terms of physicality. He is thinking in terms of physicality. He is thinking in terms of physicality. He is thinking political thinking political thinking political but he's also pulling together spiritual but he's also pulling together spiritual but he's also pulling together spiritual reality. So both physical and spiritual.

reality. So both physical and spiritual. reality. So both physical and spiritual. But what happens with Jesus is that we But what happens with Jesus is that we But what happens with Jesus is that we get the the spiritual notions are get the the spiritual notions are get the the spiritual notions are captured and inaugurated but not quite captured and inaugurated but not quite captured and inaugurated but not quite the physical. There's a little bit of the physical. There's a little bit of the physical. There's a little bit of physicality. It's not completely absent. physicality. It's not completely absent. physicality. It's not completely absent. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In other words, it's not as though Jesus >> In other words, it's not as though Jesus >> In other words, it's not as though Jesus is it. It is this is true fulfillment is it. It is this is true fulfillment is it. It is this is true fulfillment even though it's not precisely the even though it's not precisely the even though it's not precisely the fulfillment that was anticipated that fulfillment that was anticipated that fulfillment that was anticipated that even perhaps Isaiah himself was even perhaps Isaiah himself was even perhaps Isaiah himself was anticipating that now Isaiah 61 will be anticipating that now Isaiah 61 will be anticipating that now Isaiah 61 will be fulfilled in two stages. fulfilled in two stages. fulfilled in two stages. >> Mhm. At the first coming of of Christ >> Mhm. At the first coming of of Christ >> Mhm. At the first coming of of Christ and at the second coming of Christ. and at the second coming of Christ. and at the second coming of Christ. Whereas Isaiah only saw one fulfillment, Whereas Isaiah only saw one fulfillment, Whereas Isaiah only saw one fulfillment, a single fulfillment. But what Jesus is a single fulfillment. But what Jesus is a single fulfillment. But what Jesus is doing, we're now seeing the inauguration doing, we're now seeing the inauguration doing, we're now seeing the inauguration of the prophecy. And then at the second of the prophecy. And then at the second of the prophecy. And then at the second coming, we'll then have its consumate coming, we'll then have its consumate coming, we'll then have its consumate fulfillment. So it's still it's still fulfillment. So it's still it's still fulfillment. So it's still it's still genuine fulfillment on two fronts. It's genuine fulfillment on two fronts. It's genuine fulfillment on two fronts. It's just that there's now a divide. It's a just that there's now a divide. It's a just that there's now a divide. It's a two-fold notion. Yeah. two-fold notion. Yeah. two-fold notion. Yeah. >> Which is which is very interesting. The >> Which is which is very interesting. The >> Which is which is very interesting. The other piece that I want to mention here other piece that I want to mention here other piece that I want to mention here is the word Lord in verse 18.

is the word Lord in verse 18. is the word Lord in verse 18. >> The spirit of the Lord is on me. So me >> The spirit of the Lord is on me. So me >> The spirit of the Lord is on me. So me being Jesus, me being the prophet, and being Jesus, me being the prophet, and being Jesus, me being the prophet, and then in verse 19, to proclaim the year then in verse 19, to proclaim the year then in verse 19, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor. Now that's of the Lord's favor. Now that's of the Lord's favor. Now that's interesting because in Isaiah 61, of interesting because in Isaiah 61, of interesting because in Isaiah 61, of course, Yahweh is, you know, Lord, course, Yahweh is, you know, Lord, course, Yahweh is, you know, Lord, that's that's the reference there. But that's that's the reference there. But that's that's the reference there. But in Luke 21, in Luke 21, in Luke 21, at the birth, we know this Christmas is at the birth, we know this Christmas is at the birth, we know this Christmas is coming up. We know this passage so well. coming up. We know this passage so well. coming up. We know this passage so well. Today in the city of David, a savior was Today in the city of David, a savior was Today in the city of David, a savior was born for you who is the Messiah. And born for you who is the Messiah. And born for you who is the Messiah. And then we get this the Lord. then we get this the Lord. then we get this the Lord. >> Now that's interesting. >> Now that's interesting. >> Now that's interesting. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's interesting because you don't >> that's interesting because you don't >> that's interesting because you don't have tech. The closest text that comes have tech. The closest text that comes have tech. The closest text that comes to mind in the Old Testament of this to mind in the Old Testament of this to mind in the Old Testament of this type of language is Isaiah 9. And he type of language is Isaiah 9. And he type of language is Isaiah 9. And he shall be called wonderful counselor, shall be called wonderful counselor, shall be called wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting father. And mighty God, everlasting father. And mighty God, everlasting father. And you're like, oh, that's that's you're like, oh, that's that's you're like, oh, that's that's interesting. interesting. interesting. >> And here you get it as well. you get >> And here you get it as well. you get >> And here you get it as well. you get this, the Messiah is called the Lord this, the Messiah is called the Lord this, the Messiah is called the Lord here. And that's that should make a here. And that's that should make a here. And that's that should make a first century Jew pause a little bit first century Jew pause a little bit first century Jew pause a little bit because you're like, how is this working because you're like, how is this working because you're like, how is this working it out? Yeah. And so then when we get it out? Yeah. And so then when we get it out? Yeah. And so then when we get the quotation Isaiah 61, the spirit of the quotation Isaiah 61, the spirit of the quotation Isaiah 61, the spirit of the Lord, in fact, there's been a the Lord, in fact, there's been a the Lord, in fact, there's been a there's a really good dissertation on there's a really good dissertation on there's a really good dissertation on Luke's use of Lord in uh in this Luke's use of Lord in uh in this Luke's use of Lord in uh in this narrative. And really how it starts off, narrative. And really how it starts off, narrative. And really how it starts off, it's kind of it's it's like, "Hey, Jesus it's kind of it's it's like, "Hey, Jesus it's kind of it's it's like, "Hey, Jesus is the Lord." But then as the narrative

is the Lord." But then as the narrative is the Lord." But then as the narrative progresses, you're like, "Wait a minute, progresses, you're like, "Wait a minute, progresses, you're like, "Wait a minute, Jesus is the Lord." Jesus is the Lord." Jesus is the Lord." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think you get that here in this >> And I think you get that here in this >> And I think you get that here in this quotation, you're like, "Oh, maybe this quotation, you're like, "Oh, maybe this quotation, you're like, "Oh, maybe this is the year of Jesus's favor. Maybe this is the year of Jesus's favor. Maybe this is the year of Jesus's favor. Maybe this is the spirit of Jesus." is the spirit of Jesus." is the spirit of Jesus." That's interesting. Yeah. There are all That's interesting. Yeah. There are all That's interesting. Yeah. There are all these sort of uh hints and these sort of these sort of uh hints and these sort of these sort of uh hints and these sort of uh almost uh not not enigmas but just uh almost uh not not enigmas but just uh almost uh not not enigmas but just things that that that that make you things that that that that make you things that that that that make you pause and go. pause and go. pause and go. >> They're unresolved. >> They're unresolved. >> They're unresolved. >> Yeah, they're unresolved. Like wait a >> Yeah, they're unresolved. Like wait a >> Yeah, they're unresolved. Like wait a minute, how does this like that's minute, how does this like that's minute, how does this like that's interesting that they would put this and interesting that they would put this and interesting that they would put this and this together. So maybe Jesus is this together. So maybe Jesus is this together. So maybe Jesus is servant and lord. servant and lord. servant and lord. >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, uh, there's more we could talk about So, uh, there's more we could talk about So, uh, there's more we could talk about from that text, but we got to move on from that text, but we got to move on from that text, but we got to move on to, uh, to Luke 24. to, uh, to Luke 24. to, uh, to Luke 24. >> And this is where I think you see Luke's >> And this is where I think you see Luke's >> And this is where I think you see Luke's interest in this subject come out even interest in this subject come out even interest in this subject come out even more clearly because more clearly because more clearly because these two uh, passages we're going to these two uh, passages we're going to these two uh, passages we're going to look at briefly are unique to Luke's look at briefly are unique to Luke's look at briefly are unique to Luke's gospel. When you look at the other gospel. When you look at the other gospel. When you look at the other resurrection accounts, these stories are resurrection accounts, these stories are resurrection accounts, these stories are not in the other gospel accounts. So not in the other gospel accounts. So not in the other gospel accounts. So what that tells you is Luke is making a what that tells you is Luke is making a what that tells you is Luke is making a particular point that he wants to make particular point that he wants to make particular point that he wants to make sure I need you to see this clearly. And sure I need you to see this clearly. And sure I need you to see this clearly. And the first is when Jesus appears to uh the first is when Jesus appears to uh the first is when Jesus appears to uh these two disciples on the road to these two disciples on the road to these two disciples on the road to Emmas.

Emmas. Emmas. And this is such a fun text because he And this is such a fun text because he And this is such a fun text because he he he joins them as they're walking and he he joins them as they're walking and he he joins them as they're walking and they don't recognize him. And so they're they don't recognize him. And so they're they don't recognize him. And so they're talking about the things that had talking about the things that had talking about the things that had happened in Jerusalem and and Jesus happened in Jerusalem and and Jesus happened in Jerusalem and and Jesus almost kind of gives this like what almost kind of gives this like what almost kind of gives this like what things are you talking about? Like it's things are you talking about? Like it's things are you talking about? Like it's almost like he's it sounds familiar. almost like he's it sounds familiar. almost like he's it sounds familiar. He's like that sounds vaguely familiar. He's like that sounds vaguely familiar. He's like that sounds vaguely familiar. And they're talking about, well, it's And they're talking about, well, it's And they're talking about, well, it's about this guy named Jesus and we about this guy named Jesus and we about this guy named Jesus and we thought he was going to be the one to thought he was going to be the one to thought he was going to be the one to restore us and but he's but he died and restore us and but he's but he died and restore us and but he's but he died and but then the then some women that we but then the then some women that we but then the then some women that we know say he wasn't in the tomb and know say he wasn't in the tomb and know say he wasn't in the tomb and they're they're clearly just like they're they're clearly just like they're they're clearly just like confused as to to what is going on. So, confused as to to what is going on. So, confused as to to what is going on. So, all right, we need to I want you to all right, we need to I want you to all right, we need to I want you to maybe Ben will have you read um well, maybe Ben will have you read um well, maybe Ben will have you read um well, let's see. Where should we start here? let's see. Where should we start here? let's see. Where should we start here? Um, Um, Um, how about we read how about we read how about we read um let's start in verse 25.

um let's start in verse 25. um let's start in verse 25. Yeah. Why don't you read verse uh 25- 27 Yeah. Why don't you read verse uh 25- 27 Yeah. Why don't you read verse uh 25- 27 of Luke 24 here? He Jesus said to them, of Luke 24 here? He Jesus said to them, of Luke 24 here? He Jesus said to them, the two disciples, the two disciples, the two disciples, how foolish you are. How slow to believe how foolish you are. How slow to believe how foolish you are. How slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken. I all that the prophets have spoken. I all that the prophets have spoken. I wish if you could read it in Greek, it's wish if you could read it in Greek, it's wish if you could read it in Greek, it's it's easier here because the wording for it's easier here because the wording for it's easier here because the wording for slowing to slow the belief. It's Isaiah slowing to slow the belief. It's Isaiah slowing to slow the belief. It's Isaiah 6. It's there's an illusion here to 6. It's there's an illusion here to 6. It's there's an illusion here to Isaiah 6, which is really a huge part of Isaiah 6, which is really a huge part of Isaiah 6, which is really a huge part of not just Luke, but all four gospels. So not just Luke, but all four gospels. So not just Luke, but all four gospels. So there, in other words, you are still there, in other words, you are still there, in other words, you are still Isaiah 6. You you are you've got to bust out of You you are you've got to bust out of Isaiah 6. Isaiah 6. Isaiah 6. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wasn't it necessary? Now, this is a >> Wasn't it necessary? Now, this is a >> Wasn't it necessary? Now, this is a rhetorical question. Was it necessary rhetorical question. Was it necessary rhetorical question. Was it necessary for the Messiah to suffer these things for the Messiah to suffer these things for the Messiah to suffer these things and to enter his glory? Then, beginning and to enter his glory? Then, beginning and to enter his glory? Then, beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he with Moses and all the prophets, he with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted for them the things interpreted for them the things interpreted for them the things concerning himself in all the concerning himself in all the concerning himself in all the scriptures.

scriptures. scriptures. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> we could go on, but there's a lot >> we could go on, but there's a lot >> we could go on, but there's a lot there's a lot going on there. there's a lot going on there. there's a lot going on there. >> I love this text. And and I think here's >> I love this text. And and I think here's >> I love this text. And and I think here's an important clarification to make here. an important clarification to make here. an important clarification to make here. Actually, two things. The first is that Actually, two things. The first is that Actually, two things. The first is that when you've got the mention of Moses when you've got the mention of Moses when you've got the mention of Moses and the prophets, and the prophets, and the prophets, that's a common way in the in the first that's a common way in the in the first that's a common way in the in the first century world is talking about century world is talking about century world is talking about essentially the totality of the essentially the totality of the essentially the totality of the scriptures. And I think that's confirmed scriptures. And I think that's confirmed scriptures. And I think that's confirmed then when it says he interpreted to them then when it says he interpreted to them then when it says he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things in all the scriptures the things in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Now, we got to be concerning himself. Now, we got to be concerning himself. Now, we got to be clear on something here. Some people clear on something here. Some people clear on something here. Some people would read this text and they go, "Oh, would read this text and they go, "Oh, would read this text and they go, "Oh, so you mean he pulled out the individual so you mean he pulled out the individual so you mean he pulled out the individual texts like, oh, Isaiah 53 clearly about texts like, oh, Isaiah 53 clearly about texts like, oh, Isaiah 53 clearly about him, him, him, >> Psalm 110, Micah 5, like the the real >> Psalm 110, Micah 5, like the the real >> Psalm 110, Micah 5, like the the real obvious, clear ones, and Jesus was just obvious, clear ones, and Jesus was just obvious, clear ones, and Jesus was just hitting those." That's not what this hitting those." That's not what this hitting those." That's not what this text is saying. This text is saying that text is saying. This text is saying that text is saying. This text is saying that he is pointing out from the totality of he is pointing out from the totality of he is pointing out from the totality of the scriptures, not just the what we the scriptures, not just the what we the scriptures, not just the what we might say is the lowhanging fruit kind might say is the lowhanging fruit kind might say is the lowhanging fruit kind of stuff, but the tough the stuff at the of stuff, but the tough the stuff at the of stuff, but the tough the stuff at the top of the tree that you got to climb up top of the tree that you got to climb up top of the tree that you got to climb up the ladder and get to. It's the it's the the ladder and get to. It's the it's the the ladder and get to. It's the it's the totality of the scriptures that talk totality of the scriptures that talk totality of the scriptures that talk about the necessity of the Christ about the necessity of the Christ about the necessity of the Christ suffering these things and entering into suffering these things and entering into suffering these things and entering into his glory.

his glory. his glory. >> Right? Look at verse 44. It's a little >> Right? Look at verse 44. It's a little >> Right? Look at verse 44. It's a little bit more explicit. He told them, now bit more explicit. He told them, now bit more explicit. He told them, now this is later on that same day, these this is later on that same day, these this is later on that same day, these are my words that I, he's now talking to are my words that I, he's now talking to are my words that I, he's now talking to the disciples. He told them, "These are the disciples. He told them, "These are the disciples. He told them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was my words that I spoke to you while I was my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you that everything written still with you that everything written still with you that everything written about me in the law, the of Moses, the about me in the law, the of Moses, the about me in the law, the of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms must be it's a prophets, and the psalms must be it's a prophets, and the psalms must be it's a little bit a little bit more expanded." little bit a little bit more expanded." little bit a little bit more expanded." And now verse 45, then he opened their And now verse 45, then he opened their And now verse 45, then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures. Um I minds to understand the scriptures. Um I minds to understand the scriptures. Um I one know even though we have the broad one know even though we have the broad one know even though we have the broad strokes of what Jesus is doing a lot of strokes of what Jesus is doing a lot of strokes of what Jesus is doing a lot of people still wonder even commentators people still wonder even commentators people still wonder even commentators still wonder or they they wish that they still wonder or they they wish that they still wonder or they they wish that they knew which text Jesus had in mind and I knew which text Jesus had in mind and I knew which text Jesus had in mind and I get it. I see what they're saying but get it. I see what they're saying but get it. I see what they're saying but Luke has already done that for us. I I'm Luke has already done that for us. I I'm Luke has already done that for us. I I'm I'm not quite sure it's much of a I'm not quite sure it's much of a I'm not quite sure it's much of a guessing game. I think that Luke has guessing game. I think that Luke has guessing game. I think that Luke has demonstrated what texts Jesus has in demonstrated what texts Jesus has in demonstrated what texts Jesus has in mind because Jesus has already talked mind because Jesus has already talked mind because Jesus has already talked about these texts. He's already brought about these texts. He's already brought about these texts. He's already brought them up. them up. them up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't think that again this is the s >> I don't think that again this is the s >> I don't think that again this is the s my sense is that Jesus is showing them my sense is that Jesus is showing them my sense is that Jesus is showing them texts he hasn't already covered. I think texts he hasn't already covered. I think texts he hasn't already covered. I think he's retracing the steps going back over he's retracing the steps going back over he's retracing the steps going back over texts that were already brought forth in texts that were already brought forth in texts that were already brought forth in Luke's narrative and just recasting them Luke's narrative and just recasting them Luke's narrative and just recasting them saying, "Look, do you remember when I saying, "Look, do you remember when I saying, "Look, do you remember when I talked to you about this? Remember when talked to you about this? Remember when talked to you about this? Remember when I showed you this and I did that and I I showed you this and I did that and I I showed you this and I did that and I did this and I did that. Oh, okay. We did this and I did that. Oh, okay. We did this and I did that. Oh, okay. We just missed it the first time around.

just missed it the first time around. just missed it the first time around. Yeah. And I I I think one of the Yeah. And I I I think one of the Yeah. And I I I think one of the fascinating things about this passage is fascinating things about this passage is fascinating things about this passage is notice that Jesus says, "Thus it is notice that Jesus says, "Thus it is notice that Jesus says, "Thus it is written." Now, almost every other time written." Now, almost every other time written." Now, almost every other time you get that, you're expecting a direct you get that, you're expecting a direct you get that, you're expecting a direct quotation from the Old Testament. quotation from the Old Testament. quotation from the Old Testament. >> Yeah, I it's there may be a couple >> Yeah, I it's there may be a couple >> Yeah, I it's there may be a couple exceptions. There's at least one in exceptions. There's at least one in exceptions. There's at least one in Galatians. In Galatians 4 where uh Paul Galatians. In Galatians 4 where uh Paul Galatians. In Galatians 4 where uh Paul uh introduces uh his summary of the uh introduces uh his summary of the uh introduces uh his summary of the Abraham story. He he uses a uh it is Abraham story. He he uses a uh it is Abraham story. He he uses a uh it is written Abraham had two sons and then he written Abraham had two sons and then he written Abraham had two sons and then he summarizes from there. That's not a summarizes from there. That's not a summarizes from there. That's not a direct but it's still the Old Testament. direct but it's still the Old Testament. direct but it's still the Old Testament. >> Oh, absolutely. I'm saying it here. It >> Oh, absolutely. I'm saying it here. It >> Oh, absolutely. I'm saying it here. It is a summary. is a summary. is a summary. >> This is Jesus. That's what I love about >> This is Jesus. That's what I love about >> This is Jesus. That's what I love about this text. This is Jesus authoritative this text. This is Jesus authoritative this text. This is Jesus authoritative summary of what the Old Testament is summary of what the Old Testament is summary of what the Old Testament is about. about. about. >> This is it. Like if you've ever wondered >> This is it. Like if you've ever wondered >> This is it. Like if you've ever wondered what's the Old Testament about, Matt? what's the Old Testament about, Matt? what's the Old Testament about, Matt? Well, it seems like Jesus is saying here Well, it seems like Jesus is saying here Well, it seems like Jesus is saying here that it everything in the Old Testament that it everything in the Old Testament that it everything in the Old Testament in some way is connected to this idea of in some way is connected to this idea of in some way is connected to this idea of Christ's suffering and on the third day Christ's suffering and on the third day Christ's suffering and on the third day rising from the dead and that repentance rising from the dead and that repentance rising from the dead and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be and forgiveness of sins should be and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations proclaimed in his name to all nations proclaimed in his name to all nations beginning from Jerusalem. That is Jesus beginning from Jerusalem. That is Jesus beginning from Jerusalem. That is Jesus plot summary in one sense of what the plot summary in one sense of what the plot summary in one sense of what the Old Testament is about. And here's Old Testament is about. And here's Old Testament is about. And here's what's so crucial about this. If Jesus

what's so crucial about this. If Jesus what's so crucial about this. If Jesus is saying this is the basic message that is saying this is the basic message that is saying this is the basic message that the Old Testament was pointing to all the Old Testament was pointing to all the Old Testament was pointing to all along, along, along, then shouldn't we read the Old Testament then shouldn't we read the Old Testament then shouldn't we read the Old Testament like that? In other words, if Jesus is like that? In other words, if Jesus is like that? In other words, if Jesus is rebuking the disciples for not doing rebuking the disciples for not doing rebuking the disciples for not doing that, well, wouldn't he rebuke any that, well, wouldn't he rebuke any that, well, wouldn't he rebuke any reading strategy that doesn't do that? reading strategy that doesn't do that? reading strategy that doesn't do that? Yeah. I think the answer was yes, of Yeah. I think the answer was yes, of Yeah. I think the answer was yes, of course. that this is not he's not just course. that this is not he's not just course. that this is not he's not just saying this is one of many ways you saying this is one of many ways you saying this is one of many ways you could read the text your way is valid my could read the text your way is valid my could read the text your way is valid my way is valid. But what he's saying is, way is valid. But what he's saying is, way is valid. But what he's saying is, "No, no, no. This is this is how it's "No, no, no. This is this is how it's "No, no, no. This is this is how it's supposed to work." Which is why they supposed to work." Which is why they supposed to work." Which is why they didn't grasp his ministry. Because if didn't grasp his ministry. Because if didn't grasp his ministry. Because if multiple reading strategies are okay, multiple reading strategies are okay, multiple reading strategies are okay, they would have grasped Jesus ministry. they would have grasped Jesus ministry. they would have grasped Jesus ministry. They would have, "Oh, yeah, that's one They would have, "Oh, yeah, that's one They would have, "Oh, yeah, that's one way. I can see what you're doing it. way. I can see what you're doing it. way. I can see what you're doing it. That's fine. I get it." And Jesus would That's fine. I get it." And Jesus would That's fine. I get it." And Jesus would be like, "Yeah, it's fine." You know, be like, "Yeah, it's fine." You know, be like, "Yeah, it's fine." You know, whatever. To each his own. But that's whatever. To each his own. But that's whatever. To each his own. But that's not what's happening here. He really is not what's happening here. He really is not what's happening here. He really is saying this is what the Old Testament is saying this is what the Old Testament is saying this is what the Old Testament is ultimately about. and he's holding their ultimately about. and he's holding their ultimately about. and he's holding their feet to this. Yeah. Well, and and I I feet to this. Yeah. Well, and and I I feet to this. Yeah. Well, and and I I think we should stress there in verse uh think we should stress there in verse uh think we should stress there in verse uh 45 uh then he opened their minds to uh then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.

understand the scriptures. understand the scriptures. >> I don't like this. I like the concept, >> I don't like this. I like the concept, >> I don't like this. I like the concept, but again in Greek it's way better here. but again in Greek it's way better here. but again in Greek it's way better here. This is and I can't remember where I This is and I can't remember where I This is and I can't remember where I said this. Um this is a reversal of said this. Um this is a reversal of said this. Um this is a reversal of Isaiah 6. Mhm. Isaiah 6. Mhm. Isaiah 6. Mhm. >> So in Isaiah 6, it's a further hardening >> So in Isaiah 6, it's a further hardening >> So in Isaiah 6, it's a further hardening of the heart, the mind, the eyes, the of the heart, the mind, the eyes, the of the heart, the mind, the eyes, the deafness of the ears. deafness of the ears. deafness of the ears. This is a text that's reversing Isaiah This is a text that's reversing Isaiah This is a text that's reversing Isaiah 6. And the heart is being softened. The 6. And the heart is being softened. The 6. And the heart is being softened. The eyes are being opened. Do you see even eyes are being opened. Do you see even eyes are being opened. Do you see even the wording there? He opened their the wording there? He opened their the wording there? He opened their minds. Like you don't open a person's minds. Like you don't open a person's minds. Like you don't open a person's mind. Like it see there's mind. Like it see there's mind. Like it see there's >> he opened their minds. He's reversing >> he opened their minds. He's reversing >> he opened their minds. He's reversing Isaiah 6. He's opening their hearts so Isaiah 6. He's opening their hearts so Isaiah 6. He's opening their hearts so that they can now see that the Old that they can now see that the Old that they can now see that the Old Testament ultimately points to hi to him Testament ultimately points to hi to him Testament ultimately points to hi to him and his ministry. In other words, and his ministry. In other words, and his ministry. In other words, there's a way they've been reading the there's a way they've been reading the there's a way they've been reading the Old Testament in ways that Old Testament in ways that Old Testament in ways that were less than ideal. were less than ideal. were less than ideal. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I think if you just read the Old >> And I think if you just read the Old >> And I think if you just read the Old Testament just before Christ, the Testament just before Christ, the Testament just before Christ, the prophets are constantly saying that, prophets are constantly saying that, prophets are constantly saying that, saying, um, I don't know what text saying, um, I don't know what text saying, um, I don't know what text you're reading, but that's not what you're reading, but that's not what you're reading, but that's not what you're supposed to do.

you're supposed to do. you're supposed to do. >> Yeah. Or they'll say, "Yeah, Moses said >> Yeah. Or they'll say, "Yeah, Moses said >> Yeah. Or they'll say, "Yeah, Moses said to do this and you're not doing it." to do this and you're not doing it." to do this and you're not doing it." Which means they're they read we Which means they're they read we Which means they're they read we actually have evidence of the Israelites actually have evidence of the Israelites actually have evidence of the Israelites reading texts and not not reading them reading texts and not not reading them reading texts and not not reading them correctly. So this isn't the first time correctly. So this isn't the first time correctly. So this isn't the first time that God's people are were not reading that God's people are were not reading that God's people are were not reading reading the Old Testament. Well, this is reading the Old Testament. Well, this is reading the Old Testament. Well, this is kind of the culmination of that. It is. kind of the culmination of that. It is. kind of the culmination of that. It is. And here's where I think it's it's And here's where I think it's it's And here's where I think it's it's helpful for us to uh bring up a point to helpful for us to uh bring up a point to helpful for us to uh bring up a point to say what we're what we're not saying. say what we're what we're not saying. say what we're what we're not saying. Okay, we're not saying that Okay, we're not saying that Okay, we're not saying that uh you just ignore what the Old uh you just ignore what the Old uh you just ignore what the Old Testament text appears to mean in its Testament text appears to mean in its Testament text appears to mean in its original context and just try to come up original context and just try to come up original context and just try to come up with some Jesus meaning out of it. with some Jesus meaning out of it. with some Jesus meaning out of it. That's not what we're saying at all. That's not what we're saying at all. That's not what we're saying at all. What we're saying is is that when you What we're saying is is that when you What we're saying is is that when you understand the Old Testament passage in understand the Old Testament passage in understand the Old Testament passage in its original context, in its original its original context, in its original its original context, in its original sense, it is connected to in some way sense, it is connected to in some way sense, it is connected to in some way points forward to, prepares for, is points forward to, prepares for, is points forward to, prepares for, is related to this basic summary of the related to this basic summary of the related to this basic summary of the Christ suffering rising on the third day Christ suffering rising on the third day Christ suffering rising on the third day and repentance and forgiveness being and repentance and forgiveness being and repentance and forgiveness being announced to the ends of the earth.

announced to the ends of the earth. announced to the ends of the earth. Every passage in the Old Testament in Every passage in the Old Testament in Every passage in the Old Testament in some way, some way, some way, >> some way >> some way >> some way >> is connected. Now, some are more >> is connected. Now, some are more >> is connected. Now, some are more directly connected than others, right? directly connected than others, right? directly connected than others, right? Uh, you know, if you want to use the Uh, you know, if you want to use the Uh, you know, if you want to use the analogy analogy analogy of uh, you know, let's say you're in, of uh, you know, let's say you're in, of uh, you know, let's say you're in, let's say you're in the UK, let's say let's say you're in the UK, let's say let's say you're in the UK, let's say you're in England, okay? And there are you're in England, okay? And there are you're in England, okay? And there are major highways that run to London, okay? major highways that run to London, okay? major highways that run to London, okay? Well, if you want to get to London, if Well, if you want to get to London, if Well, if you want to get to London, if you're right off of one of those you're right off of one of those you're right off of one of those highways, well, you just hop on. It's a highways, well, you just hop on. It's a highways, well, you just hop on. It's a straight shot right down into London. straight shot right down into London. straight shot right down into London. However, maybe you live out in the However, maybe you live out in the However, maybe you live out in the countryside and you have to take a countryside and you have to take a countryside and you have to take a gravel road to get to a country road to gravel road to get to a country road to gravel road to get to a country road to get to a state or a sort of a a more of get to a state or a sort of a a more of get to a state or a sort of a a more of a a state level road. And like like a a state level road. And like like a a state level road. And like like there might be four or five roads you there might be four or five roads you there might be four or five roads you have to get to before you get on the have to get to before you get on the have to get to before you get on the interstate and go straight to London. interstate and go straight to London. interstate and go straight to London. And I would say in a similar way, Old And I would say in a similar way, Old And I would say in a similar way, Old Testament texts can work like that where Testament texts can work like that where Testament texts can work like that where you might have to make one or two or you might have to make one or two or you might have to make one or two or three moves in order to help you see ah three moves in order to help you see ah three moves in order to help you see ah that's how it's connected and pointing that's how it's connected and pointing that's how it's connected and pointing me towards Christ.

me towards Christ. me towards Christ. >> Right? So you may not, for example, you >> Right? So you may not, for example, you >> Right? So you may not, for example, you may not have Jesus cor directly may not have Jesus cor directly may not have Jesus cor directly connected to a specific Old Testament connected to a specific Old Testament connected to a specific Old Testament text, but if you read that text in light text, but if you read that text in light text, but if you read that text in light of that chapter, in light of the first of that chapter, in light of the first of that chapter, in light of the first half of the book, in light of the second half of the book, in light of the second half of the book, in light of the second half of the book, and then how that book half of the book, and then how that book half of the book, and then how that book is connected to other books, you're is connected to other books, you're is connected to other books, you're like, "Okay, now we're there. Now we now like, "Okay, now we're there. Now we now like, "Okay, now we're there. Now we now we get there." It's that's why we it's we get there." It's that's why we it's we get there." It's that's why we it's in some way. I love what so France here, in some way. I love what so France here, in some way. I love what so France here, there's a great commentary on the book there's a great commentary on the book there's a great commentary on the book of Matthew by RT France. It's of Matthew by RT France. It's of Matthew by RT France. It's tremendous. He wrote one on Matthew and tremendous. He wrote one on Matthew and tremendous. He wrote one on Matthew and in Mark. It's more in the advanced side in Mark. It's more in the advanced side in Mark. It's more in the advanced side of things, but he has this great line in of things, but he has this great line in of things, but he has this great line in his uh he has a a use of the old and the his uh he has a a use of the old and the his uh he has a a use of the old and the new in his commentary. And this is what new in his commentary. And this is what new in his commentary. And this is what he says. He says, "Fulfillment for he says. He says, "Fulfillment for he says. He says, "Fulfillment for Matthew." And I could say this for Luke. Matthew." And I could say this for Luke. Matthew." And I could say this for Luke. Fulfillment for Matthew seems to operate Fulfillment for Matthew seems to operate Fulfillment for Matthew seems to operate at many levels. And you see it's that at many levels. And you see it's that at many levels. And you see it's that right there. There are some texts like right there. There are some texts like right there. There are some texts like your Micah 5 and your Isaiah 52 and 53. your Micah 5 and your Isaiah 52 and 53. your Micah 5 and your Isaiah 52 and 53. Like there are direct lines Like there are direct lines Like there are direct lines for Matthew seems to operate at many for Matthew seems to operate at many for Matthew seems to operate at many levels.

levels. levels. Most Christians read the Bible in one Most Christians read the Bible in one Most Christians read the Bible in one level, one layer. Yeah. level, one layer. Yeah. level, one layer. Yeah. >> But what the gospel writers, what Jesus >> But what the gospel writers, what Jesus >> But what the gospel writers, what Jesus himself is doing is that he's using a himself is doing is that he's using a himself is doing is that he's using a multi-level approach. These levels are multi-level approach. These levels are multi-level approach. These levels are not in contradiction to one another. not in contradiction to one another. not in contradiction to one another. They run together. They run together. They run together. He says, "Embracing much more of the p," He says, "Embracing much more of the p," He says, "Embracing much more of the p," watch this, "the pattern of Old watch this, "the pattern of Old watch this, "the pattern of Old Testament history in language than Testament history in language than Testament history in language than merely its prophetic predictions." I merely its prophetic predictions." I merely its prophetic predictions." I went to a church years ago, I won't tell went to a church years ago, I won't tell went to a church years ago, I won't tell you the name, you the name, you the name, >> but the pastor But the pastor said, "You >> but the pastor But the pastor said, "You >> but the pastor But the pastor said, "You know why I love the Old Testament? know why I love the Old Testament? know why I love the Old Testament? Because there are about a dozen or so Because there are about a dozen or so Because there are about a dozen or so texts that predict Christ." texts that predict Christ." texts that predict Christ." And I was like, "Excuse me? And I was like, "Excuse me? And I was like, "Excuse me? a dozen or so. a dozen or so. a dozen or so. >> There's a lot in that or so category. >> There's a lot in that or so category. >> There's a lot in that or so category. >> That might be the biggest oro in ever. >> That might be the biggest oro in ever. >> That might be the biggest oro in ever. And then he says, look, this is just to And then he says, look, this is just to And then he says, look, this is just to finish the quote. RT France says, "It is finish the quote. RT France says, "It is finish the quote. RT France says, "It is a matter of tracing lines of a matter of tracing lines of a matter of tracing lines of correspondence correspondence correspondence in continuity in God's dealings with his in continuity in God's dealings with his in continuity in God's dealings with his people discerned in the incidental people discerned in the incidental people discerned in the incidental details of the biblical text as well as details of the biblical text as well as details of the biblical text as well as in its grand design."

in its grand design." in its grand design." Yeah, that's a great quote. It's a great Yeah, that's a great quote. It's a great Yeah, that's a great quote. It's a great quote. Well, there's a lot more that we quote. Well, there's a lot more that we quote. Well, there's a lot more that we could say. And uh and if I remember could say. And uh and if I remember could say. And uh and if I remember right, you you you talk about this right, you you you talk about this right, you you you talk about this passage in your book on Luke. passage in your book on Luke. passage in your book on Luke. >> Yeah. From the major to the throne. It's >> Yeah. From the major to the throne. It's >> Yeah. From the major to the throne. It's in that series that Tom Shriner and in that series that Tom Shriner and in that series that Tom Shriner and Brian Rosner edit. Brian Rosner edit. Brian Rosner edit. >> New Testament Theology series with >> New Testament Theology series with >> New Testament Theology series with Crossway. Crossway. Crossway. >> It's just a little bitty thing. I can't >> It's just a little bitty thing. I can't >> It's just a little bitty thing. I can't remember how big it is, but I do I do remember how big it is, but I do I do remember how big it is, but I do I do spend some some time here on Luke 24 and spend some some time here on Luke 24 and spend some some time here on Luke 24 and try to show how this is a reversal of try to show how this is a reversal of try to show how this is a reversal of Isaiah 6 and and the disciples and here Isaiah 6 and and the disciples and here Isaiah 6 and and the disciples and here it is. The disciples are incapable of it is. The disciples are incapable of it is. The disciples are incapable of reading it rightly without Jesus his reading it rightly without Jesus his reading it rightly without Jesus his work in their hearts. work in their hearts. work in their hearts. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> God has to illuminate a right reading of >> God has to illuminate a right reading of >> God has to illuminate a right reading of text. I mean, that really is the really text. I mean, that really is the really text. I mean, that really is the really what we're trying to trying to get at what we're trying to trying to get at what we're trying to trying to get at here is that ultimately God is the one here is that ultimately God is the one here is that ultimately God is the one who opens up our minds, who grants our who opens up our minds, who grants our who opens up our minds, who grants our hearts the understanding to him to see hearts the understanding to him to see hearts the understanding to him to see Jesus in in the scriptures. And that's Jesus in in the scriptures. And that's Jesus in in the scriptures. And that's something that unbelievers don't quite something that unbelievers don't quite something that unbelievers don't quite grasp. They they won't grasp that grasp. They they won't grasp that grasp. They they won't grasp that because that is a divine it takes it because that is a divine it takes it because that is a divine it takes it takes God's work upon upon our hearts to takes God's work upon upon our hearts to takes God's work upon upon our hearts to to do that. And that also connects back to do that. And that also connects back to do that. And that also connects back even to uh our earlier discussion to even to uh our earlier discussion to even to uh our earlier discussion to Luke 4. But the spirit of the Lord is Luke 4. But the spirit of the Lord is Luke 4. But the spirit of the Lord is upon me. What's this is amazing. You upon me. What's this is amazing. You upon me. What's this is amazing. You think about it. The same spirit that was think about it. The same spirit that was think about it. The same spirit that was on Jesus dwells in us as believers. And on Jesus dwells in us as believers. And on Jesus dwells in us as believers. And part of his ministry is to help us

part of his ministry is to help us part of his ministry is to help us rightly read scripture in this way. No, rightly read scripture in this way. No, rightly read scripture in this way. No, that doesn't mean that the spirit makes that doesn't mean that the spirit makes that doesn't mean that the spirit makes it easy, right? And I think that's where it easy, right? And I think that's where it easy, right? And I think that's where a lot of Christians heir. They think, a lot of Christians heir. They think, a lot of Christians heir. They think, "Well, we have the spirit, so it's just "Well, we have the spirit, so it's just "Well, we have the spirit, so it's just going to pop out." going to pop out." going to pop out." >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Good interpretation. It's got to pop >> Good interpretation. It's got to pop >> Good interpretation. It's got to pop out. No, the spirit's work. You've got out. No, the spirit's work. You've got out. No, the spirit's work. You've got to grind it out. You've got to work to grind it out. You've got to work to grind it out. You've got to work hard. That's how the spirit works. hard. That's how the spirit works. hard. That's how the spirit works. That's how grace works in our lives. Uh That's how grace works in our lives. Uh That's how grace works in our lives. Uh you've got to put a lot of effort in. you've got to put a lot of effort in. you've got to put a lot of effort in. God does the effort, but it's hard work. God does the effort, but it's hard work. God does the effort, but it's hard work. It is. And this is where I think we It is. And this is where I think we It is. And this is where I think we would also want to clarify that although would also want to clarify that although would also want to clarify that although we are advocating for yes we should we are advocating for yes we should we are advocating for yes we should absolutely read the Bible like Jesus did absolutely read the Bible like Jesus did absolutely read the Bible like Jesus did our interpretive conclusions are not our interpretive conclusions are not our interpretive conclusions are not infallible like Jesus were or the you infallible like Jesus were or the you infallible like Jesus were or the you know the apostles their their know the apostles their their know the apostles their their interpretations were not infallible now interpretations were not infallible now interpretations were not infallible now what they what are recorded now those what they what are recorded now those what they what are recorded now those are infallible those are without error are infallible those are without error are infallible those are without error um but as they were just ministering you um but as they were just ministering you um but as they were just ministering you know around but they were they're know around but they were they're know around but they were they're certainly above us you know and I think certainly above us you know and I think certainly above us you know and I think I The the move should always be how does I The the move should always be how does I The the move should always be how does Jesus handle the text? How do the Jesus handle the text? How do the Jesus handle the text? How do the apostles handle? I need to do that. I apostles handle? I need to do that. I apostles handle? I need to do that. I need we have so much data. There are need we have so much data. There are need we have so much data. There are over 350 quotations in the New over 350 quotations in the New over 350 quotations in the New Testament, but there are thousands of Testament, but there are thousands of Testament, but there are thousands of illusions to the Old Testament. And so illusions to the Old Testament. And so illusions to the Old Testament. And so we have tons of data here, Matt, that we we have tons of data here, Matt, that we we have tons of data here, Matt, that we can map out and we can see what they're can map out and we can see what they're can map out and we can see what they're doing and say, "Okay, I can do that. I doing and say, "Okay, I can do that. I doing and say, "Okay, I can do that. I can't do it quite like they can, but I can't do it quite like they can, but I can't do it quite like they can, but I can get at it. I can get in that same

can get at it. I can get in that same can get at it. I can get in that same stream and try to replicate it. That's stream and try to replicate it. That's stream and try to replicate it. That's right. Well, as we as we wrap up, uh we right. Well, as we as we wrap up, uh we right. Well, as we as we wrap up, uh we want to try to highlight some resources want to try to highlight some resources want to try to highlight some resources in terms of uh helping people to read in terms of uh helping people to read in terms of uh helping people to read the Bible this way. I mean, honestly, the Bible this way. I mean, honestly, the Bible this way. I mean, honestly, the the best thing is just read the the the best thing is just read the the the best thing is just read the Bible itself and and watch what Jesus is Bible itself and and watch what Jesus is Bible itself and and watch what Jesus is doing, watch what the apostles are doing, watch what the apostles are doing, watch what the apostles are doing, follow in their footsteps. But doing, follow in their footsteps. But doing, follow in their footsteps. But there are some other resources that there are some other resources that there are some other resources that might help uh people uh understand might help uh people uh understand might help uh people uh understand what's going on there. So Ben, why don't what's going on there. So Ben, why don't what's going on there. So Ben, why don't you start off with with our you start off with with our you start off with with our >> So I've got this Bible by a guy named >> So I've got this Bible by a guy named >> So I've got this Bible by a guy named Matt Matt Harmon. Matt Matt Harmon. Matt Matt Harmon. >> This book? It's not a It's not a Bible. >> This book? It's not a It's not a Bible. >> This book? It's not a It's not a Bible. >> There's a Bible on it. It messed me up. >> There's a Bible on it. It messed me up. >> There's a Bible on it. It messed me up. Let me Let me say that again. I've got Let me Let me say that again. I've got Let me Let me say that again. I've got >> Hey, you're really into imitating the >> Hey, you're really into imitating the >> Hey, you're really into imitating the apostles. You apostles. You apostles. You >> I try. >> I try. >> I try. >> I've got a book here that you wrote, >> I've got a book here that you wrote, >> I've got a book here that you wrote, Asking the Right Questions. Uh this is a Asking the Right Questions. Uh this is a Asking the Right Questions. Uh this is a piece that Crossway published. You did piece that Crossway published. You did piece that Crossway published. You did this a while ago and uh it's a wonderful this a while ago and uh it's a wonderful this a while ago and uh it's a wonderful little it's probably one of the most little it's probably one of the most little it's probably one of the most accessible projects on this idea and you accessible projects on this idea and you accessible projects on this idea and you kind of just go through the process of kind of just go through the process of kind of just go through the process of of how uh an ordinary Christian should of how uh an ordinary Christian should of how uh an ordinary Christian should just read the text and apply it.

just read the text and apply it. just read the text and apply it. >> Yeah, I >> Yeah, I >> Yeah, I >> I think this is a great it's a great >> I think this is a great it's a great >> I think this is a great it's a great starting point. I hope so. It's at a starting point. I hope so. It's at a starting point. I hope so. It's at a beginner level. beginner level. beginner level. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> everybody will benefit from it. Uh is >> everybody will benefit from it. Uh is >> everybody will benefit from it. Uh is there anything else you have in your there anything else you have in your there anything else you have in your mind? mind? mind? >> Well, in terms of a sort of next step >> Well, in terms of a sort of next step >> Well, in terms of a sort of next step intermediate kind of uh volume is a book intermediate kind of uh volume is a book intermediate kind of uh volume is a book by uh Nicholas Petroski. by uh Nicholas Petroski. by uh Nicholas Petroski. >> Fun name to say there. >> Fun name to say there. >> Fun name to say there. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> In all the scriptures where he tries to >> In all the scriptures where he tries to >> In all the scriptures where he tries to help you see the different ways that help you see the different ways that help you see the different ways that even uh the biblical authors will point even uh the biblical authors will point even uh the biblical authors will point to Christ. It's very lucid. He has Nick to Christ. It's very lucid. He has Nick to Christ. It's very lucid. He has Nick has lots of illustrations. He's a very has lots of illustrations. He's a very has lots of illustrations. He's a very engaging writer. those who want to go engaging writer. those who want to go engaging writer. those who want to go beyond uh a beginning type volume and beyond uh a beginning type volume and beyond uh a beginning type volume and want to work sort of in the middle like want to work sort of in the middle like want to work sort of in the middle like if you're an elder at a church or a if you're an elder at a church or a if you're an elder at a church or a Sunday school teacher who loves the Sunday school teacher who loves the Sunday school teacher who loves the Bible and wants to go even deeper this Bible and wants to go even deeper this Bible and wants to go even deeper this is a great this is a great book for you is a great this is a great book for you is a great this is a great book for you and then in terms of advanced uh and then in terms of advanced uh and then in terms of advanced uh resources uh a book recent book came out resources uh a book recent book came out resources uh a book recent book came out in 2024 in 2024 in 2024 >> yeah like couple couple months ago >> yeah like couple couple months ago >> yeah like couple couple months ago >> book by Kevin Vanhuser Mere Christian >> book by Kevin Vanhuser Mere Christian >> book by Kevin Vanhuser Mere Christian Hermeneutics Hermeneutics Hermeneutics and uh it is A, you know, he's been and uh it is A, you know, he's been and uh it is A, you know, he's been writing in this area of hermeneutics writing in this area of hermeneutics writing in this area of hermeneutics forever, it feels like, but this is his forever, it feels like, but this is his forever, it feels like, but this is his attempt to help summarize how Christians attempt to help summarize how Christians attempt to help summarize how Christians should read the Bible and in a way that should read the Bible and in a way that should read the Bible and in a way that points that that helps us to see how points that that helps us to see how points that that helps us to see how scripture points forward to Christ and scripture points forward to Christ and scripture points forward to Christ and is is intended to do so. This is not a is is intended to do so. This is not a is is intended to do so. This is not a sort of her a modern hermeneutic that we sort of her a modern hermeneutic that we sort of her a modern hermeneutic that we impose upon the text, but that this is

impose upon the text, but that this is impose upon the text, but that this is how the church has read the Bible for how the church has read the Bible for how the church has read the Bible for its existence. That's what we're its existence. That's what we're its existence. That's what we're advocating here is a responsible way to advocating here is a responsible way to advocating here is a responsible way to read it. read it. read it. >> Yes. Yeah. And then one other uh more >> Yes. Yeah. And then one other uh more >> Yes. Yeah. And then one other uh more advanced resource there is is a book by advanced resource there is is a book by advanced resource there is is a book by Graham Goldworthy gospel centered Graham Goldworthy gospel centered Graham Goldworthy gospel centered hermeneutics goes at a little bit deeper hermeneutics goes at a little bit deeper hermeneutics goes at a little bit deeper level than what uh a beginner or level than what uh a beginner or level than what uh a beginner or intermediate level would but talks a lot intermediate level would but talks a lot intermediate level would but talks a lot about the different ways that um how we about the different ways that um how we about the different ways that um how we can read the Bible in a way that points can read the Bible in a way that points can read the Bible in a way that points towards Christ, towards the gospel and towards Christ, towards the gospel and towards Christ, towards the gospel and do it in a responsible way. do it in a responsible way. do it in a responsible way. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Well, Ben, we've only scratched >> Yeah. Well, Ben, we've only scratched >> Yeah. Well, Ben, we've only scratched the surface on this idea of reading the the surface on this idea of reading the the surface on this idea of reading the Bible like Jesus, but uh I know that our Bible like Jesus, but uh I know that our Bible like Jesus, but uh I know that our hope is that this is not just a mere hope is that this is not just a mere hope is that this is not just a mere academic exercise because we believe academic exercise because we believe academic exercise because we believe that reading the Bible rightly is that reading the Bible rightly is that reading the Bible rightly is essential to living faithfully as a essential to living faithfully as a essential to living faithfully as a Christian. Christian. Christian. >> Yeah. If you're supposed to live like >> Yeah. If you're supposed to live like >> Yeah. If you're supposed to live like Jesus, shouldn't you read like Jesus? I Jesus, shouldn't you read like Jesus? I Jesus, shouldn't you read like Jesus? I mean, there really is a moral imperative mean, there really is a moral imperative mean, there really is a moral imperative here. I think there is. Like because the here. I think there is. Like because the here. I think there is. Like because the New Testament's so firm, live like New Testament's so firm, live like New Testament's so firm, live like Christ, be holy like Christ. I think his Christ, be holy like Christ. I think his Christ, be holy like Christ. I think his reading strategy is holy, too. I think reading strategy is holy, too. I think reading strategy is holy, too. I think it's He even says, I love this. I love it's He even says, I love this. I love it's He even says, I love this. I love this the way that Luke says it. He this the way that Luke says it. He this the way that Luke says it. He inter- Jesus interpreted for the inter- Jesus interpreted for the inter- Jesus interpreted for the disciples. He disciples. He disciples. He Yeah. He did what we're trying to do.

Yeah. He did what we're trying to do. Yeah. He did what we're trying to do. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And I think it's the way it should be >> And I think it's the way it should be >> And I think it's the way it should be done. And I think that there's somehow done. And I think that there's somehow done. And I think that there's somehow that's somehow tied to ethics. that's somehow tied to ethics. that's somehow tied to ethics. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we hope this has >> Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we hope this has >> Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we hope this has been a helpful starting point for been a helpful starting point for been a helpful starting point for thinking about how to read the Bible thinking about how to read the Bible thinking about how to read the Bible like Jesus did. And we appreciate you like Jesus did. And we appreciate you like Jesus did. And we appreciate you joining us on this episode of the joining us on this episode of the joining us on this episode of the Biblical Theology Briefing. And we look Biblical Theology Briefing. And we look Biblical Theology Briefing. And we look forward to having you next time when we forward to having you next time when we forward to having you next time when we meet again.