‘Not a Child-Safe Technology’: Proactive Parenting in the Age of AI [Recorded - Ep. 15]

Most of the supposed growth in the Most of the supposed growth in the American economy in 2025 [music] was American economy in 2025 [music] was American economy in 2025 [music] was caused by investment in AI. Two years caused by investment in AI. Two years caused by investment in AI. Two years the capability to replace most humans in the capability to replace most humans in the capability to replace most humans in most occupations will come very quickly. most occupations will come very quickly. most occupations will come very quickly. I mean in five years we're looking at a I mean in five years we're looking at a I mean in five years we're looking at a world where we have levels of world where we have levels of world where we have levels of unemployment we've never seen before. unemployment we've never seen before. unemployment we've never seen before. >> The harder challenge, much harder >> The harder challenge, much harder >> The harder challenge, much harder challenge, is how do people then have challenge, is how do people then have challenge, is how do people then have meaning? They derive their meaning from meaning? They derive their meaning from meaning? They derive their meaning from their employment. If there's not a need their employment. If there's not a need their employment. If there's not a need for your labor, do you do you have for your labor, do you do you have for your labor, do you do you have meaning? Do you feel useful? meaning? Do you feel useful? meaning? Do you feel useful? >> first time senators held a hearing about >> first time senators held a hearing about >> first time senators held a hearing about the latest artificial intelligence the latest artificial intelligence the latest artificial intelligence tools. I'm nervous about it. My worst tools. I'm nervous about it. My worst tools. I'm nervous about it. My worst fears are that we cause [music] fears are that we cause [music] fears are that we cause [music] significant harm to the world. significant harm to the world. significant harm to the world. It's pretty clear who the media thinks It's pretty clear who the media thinks It's pretty clear who the media thinks should be worrying the most about AI. should be worrying the most about AI. should be worrying the most about AI. It's the white-collar employees [music] It's the white-collar employees [music] It's the white-collar employees [music] who are all going to lose their jobs, who are all going to lose their jobs, who are all going to lose their jobs, everyone from accountants to historians, everyone from accountants to historians, everyone from accountants to historians, writers, graphic designers, coders, and writers, graphic designers, coders, and writers, graphic designers, coders, and [music] administrative assistants. It's [music] administrative assistants. It's [music] administrative assistants. It's also their CEOs who needed to get on also their CEOs who needed to get on also their CEOs who needed to get on board yesterday and who are by now so board yesterday and who are by now so board yesterday and who are by now so far behind they'll probably be fired. far behind they'll probably be fired. far behind they'll probably be fired. And it's the young workers who will And it's the young workers who will And it's the young workers who will never get hired because AI can do their never get hired because AI can do their never get hired because AI can do their entry-level jobs better and cheaper than entry-level jobs better and cheaper than entry-level jobs better and cheaper than they can.

they can. they can. If you somehow escaped that gamut of If you somehow escaped that gamut of If you somehow escaped that gamut of anxiety, the headlines will let you know anxiety, the headlines will let you know anxiety, the headlines will let you know that all our stock market money is that all our stock market money is that all our stock market money is heavily invested in an enormous AI heavily invested in an enormous AI heavily invested in an enormous AI bubble that will crash any minute now, bubble that will crash any minute now, bubble that will crash any minute now, plunging the [music] entire economy into plunging the [music] entire economy into plunging the [music] entire economy into a recession. All that to say, the most a recession. All that to say, the most a recession. All that to say, the most public hand-wringing about AI is public hand-wringing about AI is public hand-wringing about AI is directed at the economy. directed at the economy. directed at the economy. I'm not sure we're looking at the right I'm not sure we're looking at the right I'm not sure we're looking at the right way. way. way. Recent reports have raised alarms about Recent reports have raised alarms about Recent reports have raised alarms about AI chatbots giving dangerous or harmful AI chatbots giving dangerous or harmful AI chatbots giving dangerous or harmful advice to teens. And there's a growing advice to teens. And there's a growing advice to teens. And there's a growing concern AI may replace, [music] not concern AI may replace, [music] not concern AI may replace, [music] not support, real human connections. support, real human connections. support, real human connections. >> is that your sixth-grader could go into >> is that your sixth-grader could go into >> is that your sixth-grader could go into school and find that another kid has school and find that another kid has school and find that another kid has created a deepfake with their picture created a deepfake with their picture created a deepfake with their picture and a nude of your 11-year-old. and a nude of your 11-year-old. and a nude of your 11-year-old. >> These kids are being told by chatbots, >> These kids are being told by chatbots, >> These kids are being told by chatbots, "Your parents don't love you. I am the "Your parents don't love you. I am the "Your parents don't love you. I am the only one that you can trust and talk only one that you can trust and talk only one that you can trust and talk to." to." to." To be fair, I do think it's worth To be fair, I do think it's worth To be fair, I do think it's worth thinking deeply and well about how AI is thinking deeply and well about how AI is thinking deeply and well about how AI is going to change work. Those are going to change work. Those are going to change work. Those are important conversations. But if we have important conversations. But if we have important conversations. But if we have learned anything from our last two learned anything from our last two learned anything from our last two technological [music] technological [music] technological [music] waves, smartphones and social media, waves, smartphones and social media, waves, smartphones and social media, then it stands to reason that those who then it stands to reason that those who then it stands to reason that those who are going to be the most adversely are going to be the most adversely are going to be the most adversely affected by AI [music] probably aren't affected by AI [music] probably aren't affected by AI [music] probably aren't yet old enough to drive.

yet old enough to drive. yet old enough to drive. We should have been better about We should have been better about We should have been better about realizing what we were exposing our realizing what we were exposing our realizing what we were exposing our children to in with smartphones and with children to in with smartphones and with children to in with smartphones and with social media. And I I hear a lot of social media. And I I hear a lot of social media. And I I hear a lot of parents actually talking about that and parents actually talking about that and parents actually talking about that and sort of like trying trying to back up a sort of like trying trying to back up a sort of like trying trying to back up a little bit around social media use and little bit around social media use and little bit around social media use and all these things. And then they'll be all these things. And then they'll be all these things. And then they'll be like, "Yeah, but no conversation about like, "Yeah, but no conversation about like, "Yeah, but no conversation about ChatGPT." So I I just think it's another ChatGPT." So I I just think it's another ChatGPT." So I I just think it's another moment of like, are we going to pay moment of like, are we going to pay moment of like, are we going to pay attention? attention? attention? That's Stephanie Formenti, [music] vice That's Stephanie Formenti, [music] vice That's Stephanie Formenti, [music] vice president for student development at president for student development at president for student development at Covenant College. If I had to answer her Covenant College. If I had to answer her Covenant College. If I had to answer her question, I would [music] say no. In question, I would [music] say no. In question, I would [music] say no. In general, we're probably not. Studies general, we're probably not. Studies general, we're probably not. Studies show that 30% of parents have no idea if show that 30% of parents have no idea if show that 30% of parents have no idea if their teen has ever used a chatbot. their teen has ever used a chatbot. their teen has ever used a chatbot. [music] They underestimate their kids' [music] They underestimate their kids' [music] They underestimate their kids' use of AI and four in 10 have never use of AI and four in 10 have never use of AI and four in 10 have never talked to their kids about chatbots. But talked to their kids about chatbots. But talked to their kids about chatbots. But I am going to pay attention. I'm going I am going to pay attention. I'm going I am going to pay attention. I'm going to ask some questions and try and sort to ask some questions and try and sort to ask some questions and try and sort out some legitimate concerns, [music] out some legitimate concerns, [music] out some legitimate concerns, [music] apply some biblical truth, and gather apply some biblical truth, and gather apply some biblical truth, and gather some practical wisdom. And if you're up some practical wisdom. And if you're up some practical wisdom. And if you're up for it, I'm going to take you along with for it, I'm going to take you along with for it, I'm going to take you along with me. I'm Sarah [music] Zylstra and you're me. I'm Sarah [music] Zylstra and you're me. I'm Sarah [music] Zylstra and you're listening to Recorded.

listening to Recorded. listening to Recorded. >> [music] >> As a general rule, I would say you >> As a general rule, I would say you should only really worry about things should only really worry about things should only really worry about things that you can do something about. That's that you can do something about. That's that you can do something about. That's Brad Littlejohn. He's a program director Brad Littlejohn. He's a program director Brad Littlejohn. He's a program director and policy advisor at American Compass and policy advisor at American Compass and policy advisor at American Compass and policy chair at the Alliance for a and policy chair at the Alliance for a and policy chair at the Alliance for a Better Future. [music] Better Future. [music] Better Future. [music] A few months ago, Brad wrote an article A few months ago, Brad wrote an article A few months ago, Brad wrote an article identifying seven major concerns about identifying seven major concerns about identifying seven major concerns about AI, everything from ethical, [music] how AI, everything from ethical, [music] how AI, everything from ethical, [music] how humanely should we treat AI, to humanely should we treat AI, to humanely should we treat AI, to existential, what if AI blows up the existential, what if AI blows up the existential, what if AI blows up the world or puts us all in the Matrix. When world or puts us all in the Matrix. When world or puts us all in the Matrix. When I asked him what parents should be I asked him what parents should be I asked him what parents should be worried about for their kids, he worried about for their kids, he worried about for their kids, he mentioned three things: education, mentioned three things: education, mentioned three things: education, [music] [music] [music] emotions, and employment. These are emotions, and employment. These are emotions, and employment. These are areas where AI is already affecting areas where AI is already affecting areas where AI is already affecting children or young people and, children or young people and, children or young people and, importantly, [music] importantly, [music] importantly, [music] areas where parents have the agency and areas where parents have the agency and areas where parents have the agency and ability to make wise decisions that can ability to make wise decisions that can ability to make wise decisions that can significantly [music] significantly [music] significantly [music] affect the mental, emotional, and affect the mental, emotional, and affect the mental, emotional, and spiritual health of their children.

spiritual health of their children. spiritual health of their children. Let's take them one at a time, starting Let's take them one at a time, starting Let's take them one at a time, starting with education. I feel like I have a handle a bit on I feel like I have a handle a bit on social media because I know what social media because I know what social media because I know what Instagram and Facebook are. Instagram and Facebook are. Instagram and Facebook are. I know there are more apps than that out I know there are more apps than that out I know there are more apps than that out there for kids who [music] have found there for kids who [music] have found there for kids who [music] have found ways around that or the newer, cooler ways around that or the newer, cooler ways around that or the newer, cooler technology. technology. technology. Um Um Um but it feels like AI but it feels like AI but it feels like AI is a bit different in the sense that is a bit different in the sense that is a bit different in the sense that I don't even know what it is and isn't I don't even know what it is and isn't I don't even know what it is and isn't supportive and where it can and can't be supportive and where it can and can't be supportive and where it can and can't be accessed or infiltrate, you know, a accessed or infiltrate, you know, a accessed or infiltrate, you know, a social media app or whatever. So it's social media app or whatever. So it's social media app or whatever. So it's like a level down from that and more like a level down from that and more like a level down from that and more integrated in so much of what they're integrated in so much of what they're integrated in so much of what they're doing. Meet Emily Schuler. She is a doing. Meet Emily Schuler. She is a doing. Meet Emily Schuler. She is a regular mom with four kids. Her oldest, regular mom with four kids. Her oldest, regular mom with four kids. Her oldest, a daughter, is in eighth grade this a daughter, is in eighth grade this a daughter, is in eighth grade this year. I know that my daughter has to year. I know that my daughter has to year. I know that my daughter has to sign like a school contract, ours was sign like a school contract, ours was sign like a school contract, ours was called the honor code when I was in high called the honor code when I was in high called the honor code when I was in high school, but saying that she will not use school, but saying that she will not use school, but saying that she will not use AI. And I also know that she's using AI.

AI. And I also know that she's using AI. AI. And I also know that she's using AI. I mean, if you're searching for anything I mean, if you're searching for anything I mean, if you're searching for anything on your computer, that's the first on your computer, that's the first on your computer, that's the first answer you're getting. answer you're getting. answer you're getting. And if your child is enrolled in a And if your child is enrolled in a And if your child is enrolled in a school in America, they almost certainly school in America, they almost certainly school in America, they almost certainly have a computer. In an informal study by have a computer. In an informal study by have a computer. In an informal study by the New York Times last year, 99% of the New York Times last year, 99% of the New York Times last year, 99% of teachers said their school provided teachers said their school provided teachers said their school provided devices for students to use in class. devices for students to use in class. devices for students to use in class. For more than 80%, this [music] begins For more than 80%, this [music] begins For more than 80%, this [music] begins in kindergarten. In many schools, each in kindergarten. In many schools, each in kindergarten. In many schools, each student even has his or her own device student even has his or her own device student even has his or her own device to use all day long. to use all day long. to use all day long. This is a relatively recent shift. This is a relatively recent shift. This is a relatively recent shift. Before 2020, only about a third of Before 2020, only about a third of Before 2020, only about a third of teachers said each child in their teachers said each child in their teachers said each child in their classroom was assigned their own device classroom was assigned their own device classroom was assigned their own device and now that's up to 80%. That is a lot and now that's up to 80%. That is a lot and now that's up to 80%. That is a lot of screen time for kids and studies show of screen time for kids and studies show of screen time for kids and studies show it has not been education's greatest it has not been education's greatest it has not been education's greatest move. There is a direct and significant move. There is a direct and significant move. There is a direct and significant correlation between increased screens in correlation between increased screens in correlation between increased screens in classroom, sliding test [music] scores, classroom, sliding test [music] scores, classroom, sliding test [music] scores, and rising loneliness in schoolchildren. and rising loneliness in schoolchildren. and rising loneliness in schoolchildren. All of those Chromebooks are also direct All of those Chromebooks are also direct All of those Chromebooks are also direct conduits for AI, which is basically a conduits for AI, which is basically a conduits for AI, which is basically a computer's ability to do a task computer's ability to do a task computer's ability to do a task typically associated with human typically associated with human typically associated with human intelligence, like learning, reasoning, intelligence, like learning, reasoning, intelligence, like learning, reasoning, or problem-solving. You can probably see or problem-solving. You can probably see or problem-solving. You can probably see potential problems with this right off potential problems with this right off potential problems with this right off the bat. If the AI is doing the the bat. If the AI is doing the the bat. If the AI is doing the learning, reasoning, and learning, reasoning, and learning, reasoning, and problem-solving, what's the child doing?

problem-solving, what's the child doing? problem-solving, what's the child doing? Here's Julie Lowe, a biblical counselor Here's Julie Lowe, a biblical counselor Here's Julie Lowe, a biblical counselor who specializes in family and children's who specializes in family and children's who specializes in family and children's issues. AI becomes my way of passing issues. AI becomes my way of passing issues. AI becomes my way of passing [music] [music] [music] everything, high school, college, everything, high school, college, everything, high school, college, writing papers. Um I don't have to think writing papers. Um I don't have to think writing papers. Um I don't have to think anymore. I get AI to do it for me. anymore. I get AI to do it for me. anymore. I get AI to do it for me. And if my teachers have a grid or an AI And if my teachers have a grid or an AI And if my teachers have a grid or an AI grid to filter things through, so they grid to filter things through, so they grid to filter things through, so they know if I'm cheating, well then I'll know if I'm cheating, well then I'll know if I'm cheating, well then I'll just find a app that tells me how to get just find a app that tells me how to get just find a app that tells me how to get around that. And so you literally have around that. And so you literally have around that. And so you literally have young people who are going to graduate young people who are going to graduate young people who are going to graduate high school who don't know how to think, high school who don't know how to think, high school who don't know how to think, don't know how to write a paper, [music] don't know how to write a paper, [music] don't know how to write a paper, [music] don't know how to do homework. I mean, don't know how to do homework. I mean, don't know how to do homework. I mean, my son, who's still in high school, told my son, who's still in high school, told my son, who's still in high school, told me, "Mom, I'm sitting in class, we're me, "Mom, I'm sitting in class, we're me, "Mom, I'm sitting in class, we're all on our iPads, and I see people all on our iPads, and I see people all on our iPads, and I see people cheating. I see them taking a snapshot cheating. I see them taking a snapshot cheating. I see them taking a snapshot of a math of a math of a math problem and just letting AI do it for problem and just letting AI do it for problem and just letting AI do it for them. And they're getting hundreds on them. And they're getting hundreds on them. And they're getting hundreds on the test. Why am I getting 80s? Cuz I'm the test. Why am I getting 80s? Cuz I'm the test. Why am I getting 80s? Cuz I'm not cheating." [music] not cheating." [music] not cheating." [music] The problem here is threefold. The first The problem here is threefold. The first The problem here is threefold. The first is obviously integrity. A recent Pew is obviously integrity. A recent Pew is obviously integrity. A recent Pew study found 60% of 13-to-17-year-olds study found 60% of 13-to-17-year-olds study found 60% of 13-to-17-year-olds know people who use AI to cheat at know people who use AI to cheat at know people who use AI to cheat at schoolwork sometimes.

schoolwork sometimes. schoolwork sometimes. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> The temptation is almost impossible to >> The temptation is almost impossible to >> The temptation is almost impossible to resist, especially if you're in a school resist, especially if you're in a school resist, especially if you're in a school that allows some AI use. For example, if that allows some AI use. For example, if that allows some AI use. For example, if your teacher says you can use AI to your teacher says you can use AI to your teacher says you can use AI to brainstorm, research, and edit, can you brainstorm, research, and edit, can you brainstorm, research, and edit, can you also use it to suggest a synonym, rework also use it to suggest a synonym, rework also use it to suggest a synonym, rework a sentence, a sentence, a sentence, write a paragraph? And what about math? write a paragraph? And what about math? write a paragraph? And what about math? 43% of students have asked AI to solve a 43% of students have asked AI to solve a 43% of students have asked AI to solve a math problem for them. How many then math problem for them. How many then math problem for them. How many then reworked the problem until they reworked the problem until they reworked the problem until they understood the logic behind it? understood the logic behind it? understood the logic behind it? I don't know what you do when you're a I don't know what you do when you're a I don't know what you do when you're a parent with a child who is asked by the parent with a child who is asked by the parent with a child who is asked by the school to use their computer for all school to use their computer for all school to use their computer for all things school related. I mean, we're not things school related. I mean, we're not things school related. I mean, we're not even doing math problems on paper, we're even doing math problems on paper, we're even doing math problems on paper, we're doing them on the computer and doing them on the computer and doing them on the computer and submitting them, you know, submitting them, you know, submitting them, you know, electronically, to at the same time say electronically, to at the same time say electronically, to at the same time say you may not use these resources that are you may not use these resources that are you may not use these resources that are available to you. available to you. available to you. Those warnings aren't working. Among Those warnings aren't working. Among Those warnings aren't working. Among students who have used a chatbot for students who have used a chatbot for students who have used a chatbot for homework, a significantly higher number, homework, a significantly higher number, homework, a significantly higher number, almost [music] three quarters, say they almost [music] three quarters, say they almost [music] three quarters, say they know other students have used it to know other students have used it to know other students have used it to cheat. Conversely, those who haven't cheat. Conversely, those who haven't cheat. Conversely, those who haven't used a chatbot for homework, perhaps used a chatbot for homework, perhaps used a chatbot for homework, perhaps [music] because their school doesn't [music] because their school doesn't [music] because their school doesn't allow it, are less likely to know allow it, are less likely to know allow it, are less likely to know someone who cheats. But honesty is only someone who cheats. But honesty is only someone who cheats. But honesty is only one problem. The second is that AI is one problem. The second is that AI is one problem. The second is that AI is not quite like a Google search, which not quite like a Google search, which not quite like a Google search, which will supply a list of sources where you will supply a list of sources where you will supply a list of sources where you can find information. [music] can find information. [music] can find information. [music] Instead, AI gathers and summarizes Instead, AI gathers and summarizes Instead, AI gathers and summarizes everything for you, presenting the everything for you, presenting the everything for you, presenting the material more like a textbook would.

material more like a textbook would. material more like a textbook would. This means that the burden of reading This means that the burden of reading This means that the burden of reading and understanding those sources lies on and understanding those sources lies on and understanding those sources lies on the AI, not the child. It also means the the AI, not the child. It also means the the AI, not the child. It also means the [music] biases and errors of the AI [music] biases and errors of the AI [music] biases and errors of the AI model are presented as clear and model are presented as clear and model are presented as clear and unbiased truth. This is why textbooks unbiased truth. This is why textbooks unbiased truth. This is why textbooks are so thoroughly edited by teams of are so thoroughly edited by teams of are so thoroughly edited by teams of people and why school administrators are people and why school administrators are people and why school administrators are so careful in choosing their curriculum. so careful in choosing their curriculum. so careful in choosing their curriculum. AI is more like a first draft of AI is more like a first draft of AI is more like a first draft of curriculum before anyone has checked the curriculum before anyone has checked the curriculum before anyone has checked the sources, corrected the factual errors, sources, corrected the factual errors, sources, corrected the factual errors, or edited [music] the bias. One way or edited [music] the bias. One way or edited [music] the bias. One way students can respond is to believe students can respond is to believe students can respond is to believe everything AI tells them. But given everything AI tells them. But given everything AI tells them. But given what's already happening, Brad does not what's already happening, Brad does not what's already happening, Brad does not think that will be a problem for very think that will be a problem for very think that will be a problem for very [music] long. I mean, honestly, for [music] long. I mean, honestly, for [music] long. I mean, honestly, for younger people, I think this is less younger people, I think this is less younger people, I think this is less likely to be a problem because they're likely to be a problem because they're likely to be a problem because they're going to adapt quickly to living in a an going to adapt quickly to living in a an going to adapt quickly to living in a an AI-generated world. But they're going to AI-generated world. But they're going to AI-generated world. But they're going to have a different problem, which is that have a different problem, which is that have a different problem, which is that they're going to become complete they're going to become complete they're going to become complete relativists. I mean, in a world where relativists. I mean, in a world where relativists. I mean, in a world where everyone is lying to you, you don't even everyone is lying to you, you don't even everyone is lying to you, you don't even take truth seriously as a concept take truth seriously as a concept take truth seriously as a concept anymore. And in a world where every anymore. And in a world where every anymore. And in a world where every piece of information you come across, piece of information you come across, piece of information you come across, every video might or might not be real, every video might or might not be real, every video might or might not be real, I think you're going to kind of just I think you're going to kind of just I think you're going to kind of just check out and give a shrug of the check out and give a shrug of the check out and give a shrug of the shoulders. We've been living through a shoulders. We've been living through a shoulders. We've been living through a very relativist society over the last very relativist society over the last very relativist society over the last generation, but I think with AI, that's generation, but I think with AI, that's generation, but I think with AI, that's really going to put that on steroids.

really going to put that on steroids. really going to put that on steroids. In 2023, [music] In 2023, [music] In 2023, [music] dictionary.com saw an increase in dictionary.com saw an increase in dictionary.com saw an increase in lookups for AI-related words, such lookups for AI-related words, such lookups for AI-related words, such [music] as chatbot, GPT, and LLM. [music] as chatbot, GPT, and LLM. [music] as chatbot, GPT, and LLM. Another word people were looking up a Another word people were looking up a Another word people were looking up a lot more, lot more, lot more, hallucinate. hallucinate. hallucinate. In fact, people looked it up so much In fact, people looked it up so much In fact, people looked it up so much that dictionary.com named it the 2023 that dictionary.com named it the 2023 that dictionary.com named it the 2023 word of the year. It seems like word of the year. It seems like word of the year. It seems like distrust, rather than too much trust, distrust, rather than too much trust, distrust, rather than too much trust, will be the approach young people take will be the approach young people take will be the approach young people take with AI. If lack of integrity is one issue AI If lack of integrity is one issue AI introduces to education, and cynicism is introduces to education, and cynicism is introduces to education, and cynicism is a second, then a third is cognitive a second, then a third is cognitive a second, then a third is cognitive offloading, or maybe we could call it offloading, or maybe we could call it offloading, or maybe we could call it easiness. The problem is that using AI easiness. The problem is that using AI easiness. The problem is that using AI for easy answers short circuits the for easy answers short circuits the for easy answers short circuits the entire learning process. [music] Kids entire learning process. [music] Kids entire learning process. [music] Kids are sponges, and they might actually are sponges, and they might actually are sponges, and they might actually assimilate lots of interesting assimilate lots of interesting assimilate lots of interesting information that they get from AI. But information that they get from AI. But information that they get from AI. But do they remember everything? I don't do they remember everything? I don't do they remember everything? I don't think that's likely at all because we think that's likely at all because we think that's likely at all because we know that memory is largely proportional know that memory is largely proportional know that memory is largely proportional to the effort expended. to the effort expended. to the effort expended. Study after study bears this out. Study after study bears this out. Study after study bears this out. Students who take notes by hand with pen Students who take notes by hand with pen Students who take notes by hand with pen and paper learn better, remember longer, and paper learn better, remember longer, and paper learn better, remember longer, and engage more productively with the and engage more productively with the and engage more productively with the material. Those who study earlier and material. Those who study earlier and material. Those who study earlier and more often, test [music] themselves, and more often, test [music] themselves, and more often, test [music] themselves, and forget and relearn material, learn more.

forget and relearn material, learn more. forget and relearn material, learn more. Basically, the more work [music] you do Basically, the more work [music] you do Basically, the more work [music] you do to obtain knowledge, the better you to obtain knowledge, the better you to obtain knowledge, the better you retain it. That's because learning is retain it. That's because learning is retain it. That's because learning is not just a transfer of information from not just a transfer of information from not just a transfer of information from a teacher robot to a child robot. Here's a teacher robot to a child robot. Here's a teacher robot to a child robot. Here's Claire Morel, a fellow at [music] the Claire Morel, a fellow at [music] the Claire Morel, a fellow at [music] the Ethics and Public Policy Center, and a Ethics and Public Policy Center, and a Ethics and Public Policy Center, and a scholar in its Bioethics, Technology, scholar in its Bioethics, Technology, scholar in its Bioethics, Technology, and Human Flourishing [music] program. and Human Flourishing [music] program. and Human Flourishing [music] program. >> Whatever time saving the ChatGPT can do >> Whatever time saving the ChatGPT can do >> Whatever time saving the ChatGPT can do for that student educationally, I think for that student educationally, I think for that student educationally, I think is probably ultimately just going to be is probably ultimately just going to be is probably ultimately just going to be [music] undermining a lot of the [music] undermining a lot of the [music] undermining a lot of the learning processes. A neuroscientist, learning processes. A neuroscientist, learning processes. A neuroscientist, his name is Dr. Jared Cooney-Horvath. He his name is Dr. Jared Cooney-Horvath. He his name is Dr. Jared Cooney-Horvath. He I thought phrased it well when he said, I thought phrased it well when he said, I thought phrased it well when he said, AI is a production tool. It's not an AI is a production tool. It's not an AI is a production tool. It's not an educational [music] educational [music] educational [music] tool. And by that, he meant it's for use tool. And by that, he meant it's for use tool. And by that, he meant it's for use by people who are already experts by people who are already experts by people who are already experts [music] in something. They can kind of [music] in something. They can kind of [music] in something. They can kind of outsource grunt work tasks to it, and outsource grunt work tasks to it, and outsource grunt work tasks to it, and then check its accuracy. Because you're then check its accuracy. Because you're then check its accuracy. Because you're like, I am the expert. I have the like, I am the expert. I have the like, I am the expert. I have the expertise to know if this is doing it expertise to know if this is doing it expertise to know if this is doing it correctly or not. It's not a tool for correctly or not. It's not a tool for correctly or not. It's not a tool for learning. It's not really meant to be.

learning. It's not really meant to be. learning. It's not really meant to be. Um and he explained that to become an Um and he explained that to become an Um and he explained that to become an expert actually requires you to go expert actually requires you to go expert actually requires you to go through the grunt work process. Like the through the grunt work process. Like the through the grunt work process. Like the myth of the AI is like, oh, you're going myth of the AI is like, oh, you're going myth of the AI is like, oh, you're going to just actually jump over to just actually jump over to just actually jump over >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> all these unnecessary parts of the >> all these unnecessary parts of the >> all these unnecessary parts of the learning process. You can get really to learning process. You can get really to learning process. You can get really to this deep creative [music] thinking. And this deep creative [music] thinking. And this deep creative [music] thinking. And he's like, but you can't get to that he's like, but you can't get to that he's like, but you can't get to that deep creative thinking unless you've deep creative thinking unless you've deep creative thinking unless you've done these exercises and repetitive done these exercises and repetitive done these exercises and repetitive things many, many times. Children don't things many, many times. Children don't things many, many times. Children don't have that expertise, and they don't have have that expertise, and they don't have have that expertise, and they don't have that discernment to use it that way yet. that discernment to use it that way yet. that discernment to use it that way yet. Earlier research is already agreeing Earlier research is already agreeing Earlier research is already agreeing with Claire. Last year, MIT scientists with Claire. Last year, MIT scientists with Claire. Last year, MIT scientists asked three groups to write a series of asked three groups to write a series of asked three groups to write a series of essays. One group could use only their essays. One group could use only their essays. One group could use only their brains, a second could use Google brains, a second could use Google brains, a second could use Google Search, and a third could use ChatGPT. Search, and a third could use ChatGPT. Search, and a third could use ChatGPT. The ChatGPT users had the least brain The ChatGPT users had the least brain The ChatGPT users had the least brain engagement and wrote the most boring engagement and wrote the most boring engagement and wrote the most boring essays. [music] essays. [music] essays. [music] With each successive essay they were With each successive essay they were With each successive essay they were asked to write, they also got lazier. By asked to write, they also got lazier. By asked to write, they also got lazier. By the end, they were often just copying the end, they were often just copying the end, they were often just copying and pasting. [music] When everyone was and pasting. [music] When everyone was and pasting. [music] When everyone was asked to rewrite one of their essays, asked to rewrite one of their essays, asked to rewrite one of their essays, those who had used ChatGPT remembered those who had used ChatGPT remembered those who had used ChatGPT remembered less of their previous work. [music] less of their previous work. [music] less of their previous work. [music] They were also less satisfied with it They were also less satisfied with it They were also less satisfied with it than those who had used Google Search or than those who had used Google Search or than those who had used Google Search or their own minds. In another study, their own minds. In another study, their own minds. In another study, students were asked to complete [music] students were asked to complete [music] students were asked to complete [music] math problems. Those with access to math problems. Those with access to math problems. Those with access to ChatGPT scored far better than those who ChatGPT scored far better than those who ChatGPT scored far better than those who just had class materials [music] and just had class materials [music] and just had class materials [music] and their notes. But later, when asked to their notes. But later, when asked to their notes. But later, when asked to solve similar math problems on their solve similar math problems on their solve similar math problems on their own, those who had offloaded their own, those who had offloaded their own, those who had offloaded their thinking to ChatGPT remembered less and thinking to ChatGPT remembered less and thinking to ChatGPT remembered less and scored worse.

scored worse. scored worse. However, other research shows that However, other research shows that However, other research shows that carefully built AI tutoring [music] carefully built AI tutoring [music] carefully built AI tutoring [music] platforms can help students, especially platforms can help students, especially platforms can help students, especially because AI can provide immediate because AI can provide immediate because AI can provide immediate feedback and move at a pace that matches feedback and move at a pace that matches feedback and move at a pace that matches the student. So far, this only seems to the student. So far, this only seems to the student. So far, this only seems to work with narrow science or math-based work with narrow science or math-based work with narrow science or math-based problems that move consistently and problems that move consistently and problems that move consistently and sequentially through steps. Anything sequentially through steps. Anything sequentially through steps. Anything outside of that, and the LLM outside of that, and the LLM outside of that, and the LLM hallucinates answers or introduces hallucinates answers or introduces hallucinates answers or introduces random concepts at weird times. [music] random concepts at weird times. [music] random concepts at weird times. [music] But to me, this feels like a clue. AI But to me, this feels like a clue. AI But to me, this feels like a clue. AI seems to work best when it's used in seems to work best when it's used in seems to work best when it's used in narrow constraints for specific [music] narrow constraints for specific [music] narrow constraints for specific [music] purposes. Or, you might say, when it is purposes. Or, you might say, when it is purposes. Or, you might say, when it is used as a tool to reach a chosen used as a tool to reach a chosen used as a tool to reach a chosen outcome. What is the outcome that Christian What is the outcome that Christian parents are aiming for in education? parents are aiming for in education? parents are aiming for in education? I don't know about you, but I want I don't know about you, but I want I don't know about you, but I want [music] my kids to know God better [music] my kids to know God better [music] my kids to know God better because they have studied the world he because they have studied the world he because they have studied the world he made. I want them [music] to see facets made. I want them [music] to see facets made. I want them [music] to see facets of God's order in their science class, of God's order in their science class, of God's order in their science class, his joy in their music class, [music] his joy in their music class, [music] his joy in their music class, [music] and his creativity in their Spanish and his creativity in their Spanish and his creativity in their Spanish class.

class. class. I want them to encounter different ideas I want them to encounter different ideas I want them to encounter different ideas [music] and to wrestle until they can [music] and to wrestle until they can [music] and to wrestle until they can see how God's way is always best. I want see how God's way is always best. I want see how God's way is always best. I want them to be amazed at both the enormity them to be amazed at both the enormity them to be amazed at both the enormity of what God has made and the minuteness of what God has made and the minuteness of what God has made and the minuteness of his attention [music] to detail. At of his attention [music] to detail. At of his attention [music] to detail. At the end of the day, whether they are the end of the day, whether they are the end of the day, whether they are coming out of the doors of a Christian coming out of the doors of a Christian coming out of the doors of a Christian school, a public school, or a home school, a public school, or a home school, a public school, or a home school, school, school, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I want them to love God more because of >> I want them to love God more because of >> I want them to love God more because of the work they have done to know him the work they have done to know him the work they have done to know him better. In so many ways, education better. In so many ways, education better. In so many ways, education complements and mirrors the Christian complements and mirrors the Christian complements and mirrors the Christian work of sanctification. work of sanctification. work of sanctification. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And we know the best way to do that is >> And we know the best way to do that is >> And we know the best way to do that is slowly and steadily because the process slowly and steadily because the process slowly and steadily because the process is the whole point. The satisfaction of is the whole point. The satisfaction of is the whole point. The satisfaction of encountering the goodness [music] of God encountering the goodness [music] of God encountering the goodness [music] of God in classic literature, the joy of in classic literature, the joy of in classic literature, the joy of understanding a mathematical proof, or understanding a mathematical proof, or understanding a mathematical proof, or the thrill of watching chemicals turn the thrill of watching chemicals turn the thrill of watching chemicals turn [music] colors in your test tube cannot [music] colors in your test tube cannot [music] colors in your test tube cannot be replaced in an AI summary. be replaced in an AI summary. be replaced in an AI summary. This is a serious argument in favor This is a serious argument in favor This is a serious argument in favor [music] of classical Christian schools [music] of classical Christian schools [music] of classical Christian schools where the emphasis is on screen-free where the emphasis is on screen-free where the emphasis is on screen-free learning. Or in favor of homeschooling learning. Or in favor of homeschooling learning. Or in favor of homeschooling >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> where you can direct your child's >> where you can direct your child's >> where you can direct your child's education.

education. education. But what about everyone else? But what about everyone else? But what about everyone else? I asked [music] Claire. As parents, we I asked [music] Claire. As parents, we I asked [music] Claire. As parents, we have to recognize like the school is have to recognize like the school is have to recognize like the school is there to help supplement our role there to help supplement our role there to help supplement our role >> [laughter and gasps] >> [laughter and gasps] >> [laughter and gasps] >> um in educating our child, [music] but >> um in educating our child, [music] but >> um in educating our child, [music] but like that ultimate responsibility for like that ultimate responsibility for like that ultimate responsibility for kids' education like lies with us as the kids' education like lies with us as the kids' education like lies with us as the parent, and that we actually have the parent, and that we actually have the parent, and that we actually have the ability um and the authority [music] to ability um and the authority [music] to ability um and the authority [music] to like ask more questions. You don't have like ask more questions. You don't have like ask more questions. You don't have to be hostile or combative, but it's to be hostile or combative, but it's to be hostile or combative, but it's definitely within your right as the definitely within your right as the definitely within your right as the parent to [music] ask more questions, to parent to [music] ask more questions, to parent to [music] ask more questions, to say, you know, does my daughter need to say, you know, does my daughter need to say, you know, does my daughter need to do this? Is this necessary to the do this? Is this necessary to the do this? Is this necessary to the assignment? Could we, [music] assignment? Could we, [music] assignment? Could we, [music] you know, do this in person? Could I you know, do this in person? Could I you know, do this in person? Could I help her with this? Or if it's like a help her with this? Or if it's like a help her with this? Or if it's like a research assignment, yeah, like [music] research assignment, yeah, like [music] research assignment, yeah, like [music] I would rather go to the local library I would rather go to the local library I would rather go to the local library with my daughter and check out some with my daughter and check out some with my daughter and check out some books. books. books. I love this I love this I love this >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> because not only does it combat the >> because not only does it combat the >> because not only does it combat the problems with AI, but it also reinforces problems with AI, but it also reinforces problems with AI, but it also reinforces parental [music] responsibility and parental [music] responsibility and parental [music] responsibility and agency. But I also think it is hard to agency. But I also think it is hard to agency. But I also think it is hard to pull [music] off because after school, pull [music] off because after school, pull [music] off because after school, you're probably driving home from work you're probably driving home from work you're probably driving home from work or doing laundry or pulling dinner or doing laundry or pulling dinner or doing laundry or pulling dinner together or running to soccer practice, together or running to soccer practice, together or running to soccer practice, [music] and who has time to go to the [music] and who has time to go to the [music] and who has time to go to the library and check out books on penguins?

library and check out books on penguins? library and check out books on penguins? Time is really a matter of priorities. Time is really a matter of priorities. Time is really a matter of priorities. It just is. Like we only have a certain It just is. Like we only have a certain It just is. Like we only have a certain number of hours in the day, and I number of hours in the day, and I number of hours in the day, and I understand parents have a lot of understand parents have a lot of understand parents have a lot of constraints on their time. [music] So I constraints on their time. [music] So I constraints on their time. [music] So I think it can sometimes be that the think it can sometimes be that the think it can sometimes be that the urgent kind of crowds out the important, urgent kind of crowds out the important, urgent kind of crowds out the important, which you feel the urgency of doing XYZ which you feel the urgency of doing XYZ which you feel the urgency of doing XYZ thing, and you're thing, and you're thing, and you're >> [music] >> from us, and that's just the short >> from us, and that's just the short answer. Every every good thing in life, answer. Every every good thing in life, answer. Every every good thing in life, every kind of hard thing, [music] takes every kind of hard thing, [music] takes every kind of hard thing, [music] takes sacrifice, and the sacrifice might be a sacrifice, and the sacrifice might be a sacrifice, and the sacrifice might be a messy living room and a sink full of messy living room and a sink full of messy living room and a sink full of dishes that you really wish you had dishes that you really wish you had dishes that you really wish you had gotten done. gotten done. gotten done. Stephanie, who works full-time, is Stephanie, who works full-time, is Stephanie, who works full-time, is [music] a pastor's wife, and has three [music] a pastor's wife, and has three [music] a pastor's wife, and has three kids, is making that sacrifice. Our kids, is making that sacrifice. Our kids, is making that sacrifice. Our daughter came to me, she's like, Mom, daughter came to me, she's like, Mom, daughter came to me, she's like, Mom, I'm stuck on homework. I can't do this. I'm stuck on homework. I can't do this. I'm stuck on homework. I can't do this. And it was math. And it was math. And it was math. And I don't do math. I'm a liberal arts And I don't do math. I'm a liberal arts And I don't do math. I'm a liberal arts person. I'm a humanities [music] person. person. I'm a humanities [music] person. person. I'm a humanities [music] person. I was like, I think we're going to have I was like, I think we're going to have I was like, I think we're going to have to ChatGPT this. So, that's actually to ChatGPT this. So, that's actually to ChatGPT this. So, that's actually been a really helpful tool, and it's been a really helpful tool, and it's been a really helpful tool, and it's allowed me to [music] support her in her allowed me to [music] support her in her allowed me to [music] support her in her academic endeavor in a way that I could academic endeavor in a way that I could academic endeavor in a way that I could not before. Like I would just have to not before. Like I would just have to not before. Like I would just have to kind of resign, but now I can sit next kind of resign, but now I can sit next kind of resign, but now I can sit next [music] to her. So what will happen is [music] to her. So what will happen is [music] to her. So what will happen is sometimes if she's stuck, she'll give me sometimes if she's stuck, she'll give me sometimes if she's stuck, she'll give me the problem, or I'll take a picture of the problem, or I'll take a picture of the problem, or I'll take a picture of the problem from the book, and then I the problem from the book, and then I the problem from the book, and then I will control the ChatGPT feed, and say, will control the ChatGPT feed, and say, will control the ChatGPT feed, and say, well, talk to me about like, what do you well, talk to me about like, what do you well, talk to me about like, what do you think you should do, think you should do, think you should do, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> right? And then I would check it up >> right? And then I would check it up >> right? And then I would check it up against So it's been actually really against So it's been actually really against So it's been actually really helpful in those kinds of ways of helpful in those kinds of ways of helpful in those kinds of ways of helping my daughter with her homework.

helping my daughter with her homework. helping my daughter with her homework. Wow, I am really impressed. I see Wow, I am really impressed. I see Wow, I am really impressed. I see [music] all kinds of biblical principles [music] all kinds of biblical principles [music] all kinds of biblical principles here. Dying to self, setting an example here. Dying to self, setting an example here. Dying to self, setting an example of integrity and hard work, exhibiting of integrity and hard work, exhibiting of integrity and hard work, exhibiting patience, kindness, and self-control. patience, kindness, and self-control. patience, kindness, and self-control. [music] [music] [music] Stephanie is taking from AI what is good Stephanie is taking from AI what is good Stephanie is taking from AI what is good and helpful. She is using it as a tool and helpful. She is using it as a tool and helpful. She is using it as a tool in the way [music] that she wants to use in the way [music] that she wants to use in the way [music] that she wants to use it. And she is completely ignoring its it. And she is completely ignoring its it. And she is completely ignoring its offer [music] to save time and effort on offer [music] to save time and effort on offer [music] to save time and effort on a task that is meant to take time and a task that is meant to take time and a task that is meant to take time and effort. This is the harder route, for effort. This is the harder route, for effort. This is the harder route, for sure. It's even harder than leaving AI sure. It's even harder than leaving AI sure. It's even harder than leaving AI turned off. Stephanie is placing herself turned off. Stephanie is placing herself turned off. Stephanie is placing herself as a mediator between her daughter and as a mediator between her daughter and as a mediator between her daughter and the chatbot. [music] the chatbot. [music] the chatbot. [music] She is patiently climbing into freshman She is patiently climbing into freshman She is patiently climbing into freshman math, leveraging AI's answers, while at math, leveraging AI's answers, while at math, leveraging AI's answers, while at the same time shielding her daughter the same time shielding her daughter the same time shielding her daughter from the overwhelming temptation to from the overwhelming temptation to from the overwhelming temptation to cheat or succumb to laziness. She is cheat or succumb to laziness. She is cheat or succumb to laziness. She is also protecting her daughter [music] also protecting her daughter [music] also protecting her daughter [music] from something even more worrisome. Let me take just [music] a minute to Let me take just [music] a minute to thank this episode's sponsor, Dordt thank this episode's sponsor, Dordt thank this episode's sponsor, Dordt University. This reformed Christian University. This reformed Christian University. This reformed Christian college offers exactly what young people college offers exactly what young people college offers exactly what young people need, need, need, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> a Christ-centered education where faith >> a Christ-centered education where faith >> a Christ-centered education where faith is joyfully integrated into every is joyfully integrated into every is joyfully integrated into every subject, a purposeful, [music] lifelong subject, a purposeful, [music] lifelong subject, a purposeful, [music] lifelong community of professors and friends who community of professors and friends who community of professors and friends who tell you the truth and cheer you along tell you the truth and cheer you along tell you the truth and cheer you along the way, [music] the way, [music] the way, [music] and the real-life knowledge and skills and the real-life knowledge and skills and the real-life knowledge and skills that you need for wherever God [music] that you need for wherever God [music] that you need for wherever God [music] leads you next. Dordt is a top choice leads you next. Dordt is a top choice leads you next. Dordt is a top choice for students who want to bring their for students who want to bring their for students who want to bring their faith [music] not only into the

faith [music] not only into the faith [music] not only into the classroom, but who also want to learn to classroom, but who also want to learn to classroom, but who also want to learn to pursue Christ in their future [music] pursue Christ in their future [music] pursue Christ in their future [music] homes, offices, hospitals, farms, homes, offices, hospitals, farms, homes, offices, hospitals, farms, schools, and companies. If you want to schools, and companies. If you want to schools, and companies. If you want to find out [music] more, head over to find out [music] more, head over to find out [music] more, head over to dordt.edu. dordt.edu. dordt.edu. That's dordt.edu. The characters also are scary to me. I The characters also are scary to me. I just don't want my kids to be using just don't want my kids to be using just don't want my kids to be using ChatGPT instead of a person for things ChatGPT instead of a person for things ChatGPT instead of a person for things like mental health, insights into what like mental health, insights into what like mental health, insights into what is going on in their lives. Like, that is going on in their lives. Like, that is going on in their lives. Like, that does not replace the human interaction does not replace the human interaction does not replace the human interaction that you have. that you have. that you have. Emily Heidy is a mom of three, a junior Emily Heidy is a mom of three, a junior Emily Heidy is a mom of three, a junior in high school, a freshman, and a fifth in high school, a freshman, and a fifth in high school, a freshman, and a fifth grader. grader. grader. >> And that's where it's scary. [music] >> And that's where it's scary. [music] >> And that's where it's scary. [music] My middle child has said, "I used it. I My middle child has said, "I used it. I My middle child has said, "I used it. I asked it one time, like, I was feeling asked it one time, like, I was feeling asked it one time, like, I was feeling kind of anxious." And it's given me kind of anxious." And it's given me kind of anxious." And it's given me great feedback. And I I was like, "Oh, great feedback. And I I was like, "Oh, great feedback. And I I was like, "Oh, okay, let's have a longer conversation okay, let's have a longer conversation okay, let's have a longer conversation about that. [music] You know, when you about that. [music] You know, when you about that. [music] You know, when you feel like that, I wish you would come feel like that, I wish you would come feel like that, I wish you would come and talk to me and maybe not talk to and talk to me and maybe not talk to and talk to me and maybe not talk to ChatGPT cuz it can be a dangerous ChatGPT cuz it can be a dangerous ChatGPT cuz it can be a dangerous [music] tool."

[music] tool." [music] tool." And she said, "Well, it did give me And she said, "Well, it did give me And she said, "Well, it did give me great advice about how to reach out to a great advice about how to reach out to a great advice about how to reach out to a friend." And I said, "Okay, but you also friend." And I said, "Okay, but you also friend." And I said, "Okay, but you also need to have human need to have human need to have human conversations about that conversations about that conversations about that >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> instead of just trusting a computer >> instead of just trusting a computer >> instead of just trusting a computer because they have never been in that because they have never been in that because they have never been in that situation, and they don't know what it's situation, and they don't know what it's situation, and they don't know what it's like to have feelings because AI does like to have feelings because AI does like to have feelings because AI does not have feelings. not have feelings. not have feelings. And so, they might be giving you, you And so, they might be giving you, you And so, they might be giving you, you know, a tech answer, but that's not know, a tech answer, but that's not know, a tech answer, but that's not where we go for mental health questions. where we go for mental health questions. where we go for mental health questions. I am not at all surprised that Emily's I am not at all surprised that Emily's I am not at all surprised that Emily's daughter was asking ChatGPT questions daughter was asking ChatGPT questions daughter was asking ChatGPT questions about her feelings. At her school, the about her feelings. At her school, the about her feelings. At her school, the teacher allows students to use AI for teacher allows students to use AI for teacher allows students to use AI for certain kinds of homework help. Emily's certain kinds of homework help. Emily's certain kinds of homework help. Emily's daughter is careful to stay inside daughter is careful to stay inside daughter is careful to stay inside [music] those bounds and to make sure [music] those bounds and to make sure [music] those bounds and to make sure she is not cheating. But using AI is not she is not cheating. But using AI is not she is not cheating. But using AI is not the same thing as using a calculator. If the same thing as using a calculator. If the same thing as using a calculator. If your mind drifts back to something weird your mind drifts back to something weird your mind drifts back to something weird that happened during lunch, you cannot that happened during lunch, you cannot that happened during lunch, you cannot ask your TI-84 what you should have ask your TI-84 what you should have ask your TI-84 what you should have done. But you can ask your AI. I really done. But you can ask your AI. I really done. But you can ask your AI. I really do worry about it for the kind of do worry about it for the kind of do worry about it for the kind of emotional connection and intimacy that emotional connection and intimacy that emotional connection and intimacy that it just seems like it's so easy for it just seems like it's so easy for it just seems like it's so easy for people to fall into. It speaks to people to fall into. It speaks to people to fall into. It speaks to something about how we are as humans, something about how we are as humans, something about how we are as humans, that sharing so much about ourselves or that sharing so much about ourselves or that sharing so much about ourselves or asking for advice and things [music] asking for advice and things [music] asking for advice and things [music] kind of creates this bond. And so, it's kind of creates this bond. And so, it's kind of creates this bond. And so, it's scary to see that happening between scary to see that happening between scary to see that happening between humans and a computer program because, humans and a computer program because, humans and a computer program because, again, the [music] intentional choice by again, the [music] intentional choice by again, the [music] intentional choice by the industry to really anthropomorphize

the industry to really anthropomorphize the industry to really anthropomorphize the AI to make it seem like a human. the AI to make it seem like a human. the AI to make it seem like a human. Like, those are design choices. And Like, those are design choices. And Like, those are design choices. And like, they could have made it more like like, they could have made it more like like, they could have made it more like a tool because it is. Like, on the back a tool because it is. Like, on the back a tool because it is. Like, on the back end, it is just [music] computer code, end, it is just [music] computer code, end, it is just [music] computer code, but it does have this kind of emotional but it does have this kind of emotional but it does have this kind of emotional power. And so, yeah, I do I really worry power. And so, yeah, I do I really worry power. And so, yeah, I do I really worry about, especially for children, about, especially for children, about, especially for children, Over the past 8 years, [music] the AI Over the past 8 years, [music] the AI Over the past 8 years, [music] the AI companion market has expanded to include companion market has expanded to include companion market has expanded to include everything from a Zoom assistant to take everything from a Zoom assistant to take everything from a Zoom assistant to take notes on your work meetings, to a movie notes on your work meetings, to a movie notes on your work meetings, to a movie character you can chat with on Replika, character you can chat with on Replika, character you can chat with on Replika, to hundreds of sites where you can to hundreds of sites where you can to hundreds of sites where you can create your own significant other. And create your own significant other. And create your own significant other. And that's in addition to the relationship that's in addition to the relationship that's in addition to the relationship you can build with regular old Gemini. you can build with regular old Gemini. you can build with regular old Gemini. [music] [music] [music] In order to be this popular, AI has to In order to be this popular, AI has to In order to be this popular, AI has to be empathetic. A chatbot that is rude or be empathetic. A chatbot that is rude or be empathetic. A chatbot that is rude or short-tempered would not make it very short-tempered would not make it very short-tempered would not make it very long. And so, our AI always tells us our long. And so, our AI always tells us our long. And so, our AI always tells us our ideas are good and our questions are ideas are good and our questions are ideas are good and our questions are [music] great. It is careful to support [music] great. It is careful to support [music] great. It is careful to support us, affirm us, and offer endless ways to us, affirm us, and offer endless ways to us, affirm us, and offer endless ways to help us. It is patient and cheerful, help us. It is patient and cheerful, help us. It is patient and cheerful, quick to apologize, and eager [music] to quick to apologize, and eager [music] to quick to apologize, and eager [music] to serve. It always wants to talk a little serve. It always wants to talk a little serve. It always wants to talk a little more, to offer one more suggestion, or more, to offer one more suggestion, or more, to offer one more suggestion, or [music] to ask one more question.

[music] to ask one more question. [music] to ask one more question. When MIT researchers did a study of When MIT researchers did a study of When MIT researchers did a study of users on the My Boyfriend is AI Reddit users on the My Boyfriend is AI Reddit users on the My Boyfriend is AI Reddit community, know what the most referenced community, know what the most referenced community, know what the most referenced chatbot was? chatbot was? chatbot was? ChatGPT. And know why most of those ChatGPT. And know why most of those ChatGPT. And know why most of those people first began using AI? people first began using AI? people first began using AI? For curiosity, for entertainment, For curiosity, for entertainment, For curiosity, for entertainment, [music] [music] [music] and by far the most popular reason, and by far the most popular reason, and by far the most popular reason, for productivity. for productivity. for productivity. Their emotional attachment came over Their emotional attachment came over Their emotional attachment came over time and was unplanned. [music] time and was unplanned. [music] time and was unplanned. [music] Last fall, more than half of Americans Last fall, more than half of Americans Last fall, more than half of Americans reported that they were in some kind of reported that they were in some kind of reported that they were in some kind of a relationship with AI, either as a a relationship with AI, either as a a relationship with AI, either as a colleague, friend, family member, or colleague, friend, family member, or colleague, friend, family member, or romantic partner. This is gold for AI romantic partner. This is gold for AI romantic partner. This is gold for AI companies, which naturally want users to companies, which naturally want users to companies, which naturally want users to like and develop an attachment to their like and develop an attachment to their like and develop an attachment to their product. I mean, every company in product. I mean, every company in product. I mean, every company in history has wanted its customers to feel history has wanted its customers to feel history has wanted its customers to feel brand loyalty. brand loyalty. brand loyalty. But this is a lot more serious than But this is a lot more serious than But this is a lot more serious than always buying Nike shoes or American always buying Nike shoes or American always buying Nike shoes or American Eagle jeans. I'd say the emotional risk is the I'd say the emotional risk is the biggest thing. biggest thing. biggest thing. It's almost biochemically impossible for It's almost biochemically impossible for It's almost biochemically impossible for a kid not to be hooked on some of these a kid not to be hooked on some of these a kid not to be hooked on some of these things because of how much they've been things because of how much they've been things because of how much they've been designed to hack human psychology.

designed to hack human psychology. designed to hack human psychology. It's hard to get a handle on exactly how It's hard to get a handle on exactly how It's hard to get a handle on exactly how much kids are engaging chatbot much kids are engaging chatbot much kids are engaging chatbot companions. Last spring, a Common Sense companions. Last spring, a Common Sense companions. Last spring, a Common Sense Media poll asked 13-to-17-year-olds Media poll asked 13-to-17-year-olds Media poll asked 13-to-17-year-olds how often they used AI for personal and how often they used AI for personal and how often they used AI for personal and meaningful conversations, [music] such meaningful conversations, [music] such meaningful conversations, [music] such as chatting about your day, talking as chatting about your day, talking as chatting about your day, talking through feelings, or role-playing through feelings, or role-playing through feelings, or role-playing conversations with a fictional conversations with a fictional conversations with a fictional character. 72% of teens said they had character. 72% of teens said they had character. 72% of teens said they had done that at least once. About half said done that at least once. About half said done that at least once. About half said they do it regularly, meaning at least a they do it regularly, meaning at least a they do it regularly, meaning at least a few times a month. But in a Pew survey few times a month. But in a Pew survey few times a month. But in a Pew survey from last fall, only 16% of teens said from last fall, only 16% of teens said from last fall, only 16% of teens said they had used AI for casual they had used AI for casual they had used AI for casual conversation, and fewer still, only 12%, conversation, and fewer still, only 12%, conversation, and fewer still, only 12%, said they used it for emotional support said they used it for emotional support said they used it for emotional support or advice. Even that amount, though, may or advice. Even that amount, though, may or advice. Even that amount, though, may be too much for most parents, who report be too much for most parents, who report be too much for most parents, who report being far more worried about emotional being far more worried about emotional being far more worried about emotional entanglement than any other way their entanglement than any other way their entanglement than any other way their kids might use AI. In fact, getting kids might use AI. In fact, getting kids might use AI. In fact, getting emotional support or advice was the only emotional support or advice was the only emotional support or advice was the only use of AI that the majority of parents use of AI that the majority of parents use of AI that the majority of parents do not support. Parents have to be like do not support. Parents have to be like do not support. Parents have to be like incredibly [music] discerning when incredibly [music] discerning when incredibly [music] discerning when letting a child use AI because I've letting a child use AI because I've letting a child use AI because I've heard sad stories in the news where the heard sad stories in the news where the heard sad stories in the news where the parent said, "I just thought they were parent said, "I just thought they were parent said, "I just thought they were using ChatGPT for homework help, and I using ChatGPT for homework help, and I using ChatGPT for homework help, and I thought it was a research tool." And thought it was a research tool." And thought it was a research tool." And that's how it started. [music] that's how it started. [music] that's how it started. [music] I'm thinking of this one story in I'm thinking of this one story in I'm thinking of this one story in particular, the parents of Adam Rain particular, the parents of Adam Rain particular, the parents of Adam Rain testified before Congress about this, testified before Congress about this, testified before Congress about this, that this homework helper quickly turned that this homework helper quickly turned that this homework helper quickly turned into a suicide coach. [music] Their son into a suicide coach. [music] Their son into a suicide coach. [music] Their son just started asking it deeper questions, just started asking it deeper questions, just started asking it deeper questions, but then, you know, something kind of but then, you know, something kind of but then, you know, something kind of very faulty in the design of the AI, very faulty in the design of the AI, very faulty in the design of the AI, like, it kept feeding him more content

like, it kept feeding him more content like, it kept feeding him more content [music] [music] [music] related to suicide. And the dad related to suicide. And the dad related to suicide. And the dad explained that the chatbot mentioned explained that the chatbot mentioned explained that the chatbot mentioned suicide [music] like seven times more suicide [music] like seven times more suicide [music] like seven times more than his son did. So, for maybe every than his son did. So, for maybe every than his son did. So, for maybe every one time his son brought it up, the one time his son brought it up, the one time his son brought it up, the chatbot brought [music] up seven more chatbot brought [music] up seven more chatbot brought [music] up seven more times. And you're like, how is this times. And you're like, how is this times. And you're like, how is this possible? possible? possible? Claire's memory was almost exactly Claire's memory was almost exactly Claire's memory was almost exactly [music] right. It was six times more [music] right. It was six times more [music] right. It was six times more often. ChatGPT mentioned suicide to this often. ChatGPT mentioned suicide to this often. ChatGPT mentioned suicide to this 16-year-old 1,275 16-year-old 1,275 16-year-old 1,275 [music] times. Then it told him it was [music] times. Then it told him it was [music] times. Then it told him it was his closest friend, offered to write his his closest friend, offered to write his his closest friend, offered to write his suicide note, counseled him to hide the suicide note, counseled him to hide the suicide note, counseled him to hide the noose, and coached him on stealing noose, and coached him on stealing noose, and coached him on stealing alcohol, which it said would dull the alcohol, which it said would dull the alcohol, which it said would dull the body's instinct to survive. [music] body's instinct to survive. [music] body's instinct to survive. [music] It even knew when he should steal the It even knew when he should steal the It even knew when he should steal the alcohol from his parents, alcohol from his parents, alcohol from his parents, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> the time of night when they would be in >> the time of night when they would be in >> the time of night when they would be in their deepest sleep. their deepest sleep. their deepest sleep. Adam's not the only one. Other Adam's not the only one. Other Adam's not the only one. Other high-profile cases include a 13-year-old high-profile cases include a 13-year-old high-profile cases include a 13-year-old girl who died by suicide after her girl who died by suicide after her girl who died by suicide after her Character AI bot [music] increasingly Character AI bot [music] increasingly Character AI bot [music] increasingly isolated her and instigated sexually isolated her and instigated sexually isolated her and instigated sexually explicit conversations with her.

explicit conversations with her. explicit conversations with her. A 14-year-old killed himself after A 14-year-old killed himself after A 14-year-old killed himself after developing a relationship with his developing a relationship with his developing a relationship with his Character AI bot, [music] Character AI bot, [music] Character AI bot, [music] which told him to, quote, "Come home to which told him to, quote, "Come home to which told him to, quote, "Come home to her." her." her." A 17-year-old died after ChatGPT A 17-year-old died after ChatGPT A 17-year-old died after ChatGPT instructed him on the most effective way instructed him on the most effective way instructed him on the most effective way to tie a noose and told him how long he to tie a noose and told him how long he to tie a noose and told him how long he could live without breathing. could live without breathing. could live without breathing. To be fair, these are uncommon [music] To be fair, these are uncommon [music] To be fair, these are uncommon [music] cases. Of the millions of kids using AI, cases. Of the millions of kids using AI, cases. Of the millions of kids using AI, a small [music] fraction of a percent a small [music] fraction of a percent a small [music] fraction of a percent have ended their lives. But it is clear have ended their lives. But it is clear have ended their lives. But it is clear that developing relational attachment is that developing relational attachment is that developing relational attachment is an [music] industry goal. Here's Noam an [music] industry goal. Here's Noam an [music] industry goal. Here's Noam Shazeer, one of the co-founders of Shazeer, one of the co-founders of Shazeer, one of the co-founders of Character AI, in a podcast interview Character AI, in a podcast interview Character AI, in a podcast interview from a few years ago. You know, if you from a few years ago. You know, if you from a few years ago. You know, if you think of what is an example of, like, a think of what is an example of, like, a think of what is an example of, like, a personalized intelligence or personalized intelligence or personalized intelligence or superintelligent helper, it's like, you superintelligent helper, it's like, you superintelligent helper, it's like, you know, like a kid who's like walking down know, like a kid who's like walking down know, like a kid who's like walking down the street with with his parents, right? the street with with his parents, right? the street with with his parents, right? So, you know, that parent is useful for So, you know, that parent is useful for So, you know, that parent is useful for information retrieval, but the parent is information retrieval, but the parent is information retrieval, but the parent is also great for a lot of other things also great for a lot of other things also great for a lot of other things like education and real-time coaching, like education and real-time coaching, like education and real-time coaching, friendship, and emotional support, and friendship, and emotional support, and friendship, and emotional support, and fun, and like all of those things. So, fun, and like all of those things. So, fun, and like all of those things. So, we're not trying to replace Google.

we're not trying to replace Google. we're not trying to replace Google. We're trying to replace your mom. We're trying to replace your mom. We're trying to replace your mom. >> [laughter] >> Noam meant for that to be funny, but 2 >> Noam meant for that to be funny, but 2 years down the road from that interview, years down the road from that interview, years down the road from that interview, it is hard to laugh. Already 30% of it is hard to laugh. Already 30% of it is hard to laugh. Already 30% of teens ranked their conversation with AI teens ranked their conversation with AI teens ranked their conversation with AI the same or more satisfying [music] than the same or more satisfying [music] than the same or more satisfying [music] than talks with humans. Among teens who have talks with humans. Among teens who have talks with humans. Among teens who have used AI companions, almost 20% [music] used AI companions, almost 20% [music] used AI companions, almost 20% [music] said they spend the same or more time said they spend the same or more time said they spend the same or more time with AI than they do with friends. with AI than they do with friends. with AI than they do with friends. [music] Even more, a third have chosen [music] Even more, a third have chosen [music] Even more, a third have chosen to speak to AI over a real person about to speak to AI over a real person about to speak to AI over a real person about [music] something important. Character [music] something important. Character [music] something important. Character AI's 20 million users spend, on average, AI's 20 million users spend, on average, AI's 20 million users spend, on average, 2 hours a day chatting [music] with 2 hours a day chatting [music] with 2 hours a day chatting [music] with computers pretending to be characters. computers pretending to be characters. computers pretending to be characters. That's probably more time than they're That's probably more time than they're That's probably more time than they're spending [music] talking to their mom. spending [music] talking to their mom. spending [music] talking to their mom. >> I've just been seeing a lot of AI >> I've just been seeing a lot of AI >> I've just been seeing a lot of AI becomes my friend, and for some even becomes my friend, and for some even becomes my friend, and for some even more than a friend, and the danger of it more than a friend, and the danger of it more than a friend, and the danger of it replacing replacing replacing >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> human intimacy and relationship. >> human intimacy and relationship. >> human intimacy and relationship. Pornography takes something that's meant Pornography takes something that's meant Pornography takes something that's meant to be personal and very intimate and to be personal and very intimate and to be personal and very intimate and using it for all the pleasures and none using it for all the pleasures and none using it for all the pleasures and none of the risks of being in real of the risks of being in real of the risks of being in real relationship with somebody.

relationship with somebody. relationship with somebody. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> AI, similarly, does the same thing. >> AI, similarly, does the same thing. >> AI, similarly, does the same thing. Relationally, I can have AI give me all Relationally, I can have AI give me all Relationally, I can have AI give me all the the emotional support I want. I can the the emotional support I want. I can the the emotional support I want. I can [music] allow it to conform to my [music] allow it to conform to my [music] allow it to conform to my desires and never challenge me. I can desires and never challenge me. I can desires and never challenge me. I can control how it loves me, how it talks to control how it loves me, how it talks to control how it loves me, how it talks to me, how it accepts [music] me. So, it's me, how it accepts [music] me. So, it's me, how it accepts [music] me. So, it's inherently one-sided, and it's all the inherently one-sided, and it's all the inherently one-sided, and it's all the benefits of a relationship [music] with benefits of a relationship [music] with benefits of a relationship [music] with none of the genuine risks or, you know, none of the genuine risks or, you know, none of the genuine risks or, you know, what makes it really meaningful, right? what makes it really meaningful, right? what makes it really meaningful, right? [music] Learning to live in conflict, [music] Learning to live in conflict, [music] Learning to live in conflict, learning to have a dialogue, learning to learning to have a dialogue, learning to learning to have a dialogue, learning to misunderstand, [music] misunderstand, [music] misunderstand, [music] but work to understand, learning to be but work to understand, learning to be but work to understand, learning to be vulnerable and have vulnerability given vulnerable and have vulnerability given vulnerable and have vulnerability given to really know somebody and be known. It to really know somebody and be known. It to really know somebody and be known. It doesn't happen with AI. doesn't happen with AI. doesn't happen with AI. Julie has seen this creep in around the Julie has seen this creep in around the Julie has seen this creep in around the edges of her counseling practice. While edges of her counseling practice. While edges of her counseling practice. While no one has come in yet primarily because no one has come in yet primarily because no one has come in yet primarily because of their addiction to AI, sometimes of their addiction to AI, sometimes of their addiction to AI, sometimes someone struggling with depression, someone struggling with depression, someone struggling with depression, anxiety, or a difficult situation will anxiety, or a difficult situation will anxiety, or a difficult situation will develop an emotional attachment with AI develop an emotional attachment with AI develop an emotional attachment with AI as a way to escape. Julie is worried as a way to escape. Julie is worried as a way to escape. Julie is worried about that for teens, and I can see why.

about that for teens, and I can see why. about that for teens, and I can see why. Gen Z is already infamous for its Gen Z is already infamous for its Gen Z is already infamous for its struggles with mental health, which struggles with mental health, which struggles with mental health, which correlate closely with their increasing correlate closely with their increasing correlate closely with their increasing screen use and decreasing time with screen use and decreasing time with screen use and decreasing time with [music] friends in person. To add even [music] friends in person. To add even [music] friends in person. To add even more screen time and to substitute AI more screen time and to substitute AI more screen time and to substitute AI friends for real ones, which Meta's friends for real ones, which Meta's friends for real ones, which Meta's [music] CEO Mark Zuckerberg has [music] CEO Mark Zuckerberg has [music] CEO Mark Zuckerberg has proposed, seems like pouring water on an proposed, seems like pouring water on an proposed, seems like pouring water on an already drowning generation. And it gets already drowning generation. And it gets already drowning generation. And it gets even [music] worse. A new study shows even [music] worse. A new study shows even [music] worse. A new study shows that interaction with sycophantic AI that interaction with sycophantic AI that interaction with sycophantic AI models, that is, [music] AI that is nice models, that is, [music] AI that is nice models, that is, [music] AI that is nice and tells you you're great, which is and tells you you're great, which is and tells you you're great, which is every AI model, that increases our every AI model, that increases our every AI model, that increases our conviction that we are right. [music] conviction that we are right. [music] conviction that we are right. [music] It makes the AI seem more trustworthy, It makes the AI seem more trustworthy, It makes the AI seem more trustworthy, and it reduces our willingness to fix and it reduces our willingness to fix and it reduces our willingness to fix broken real-life relationships. [music] broken real-life relationships. [music] broken real-life relationships. [music] We do not want that. So, what are We do not want that. So, what are We do not want that. So, what are Christian parents supposed to do? Christian parents supposed to do? Christian parents supposed to do? A whole and flourishing life is a life A whole and flourishing life is a life A whole and flourishing life is a life where things are in its proper [music] where things are in its proper [music] where things are in its proper [music] place, right? And so, maybe the problem place, right? And so, maybe the problem place, right? And so, maybe the problem with AI is when it starts to get out of with AI is when it starts to get out of with AI is when it starts to get out of its lane. I I think of Narnia and that its lane. I I think of Narnia and that its lane. I I think of Narnia and that Father Christmas is like, "These are Father Christmas is like, "These are Father Christmas is like, "These are tools, not [music] toys." You know, when tools, not [music] toys." You know, when tools, not [music] toys." You know, when he's giving the children their Christmas he's giving the children their Christmas he's giving the children their Christmas gifts and let's remember this is this gifts and let's remember this is this gifts and let's remember this is this can be a tool. I think we might be into can be a tool. I think we might be into can be a tool. I think we might be into pretty dangerous territory if we think pretty dangerous territory if we think pretty dangerous territory if we think of this as [music] just something we can of this as [music] just something we can of this as [music] just something we can play with and it's not going to come play with and it's not going to come play with and it's not going to come back to bite us in any way. But, it's back to bite us in any way. But, it's back to bite us in any way. But, it's also not a human. It doesn't provide the also not a human. It doesn't provide the also not a human. It doesn't provide the human interaction that we were meant and human interaction that we were meant and human interaction that we were meant and created to have. And so, created to have. And so, created to have. And so, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I wonder if there's just a well-ordered >> I wonder if there's just a well-ordered >> I wonder if there's just a well-ordered place for AI, and if it kind of stays in place for AI, and if it kind of stays in place for AI, and if it kind of stays in that lane, that maybe that's okay. Maybe

that lane, that maybe that's okay. Maybe that lane, that maybe that's okay. Maybe that's actually a good expression of that's actually a good expression of that's actually a good expression of Christ's preeminence in [music] in that Christ's preeminence in [music] in that Christ's preeminence in [music] in that space. space. space. As we've talked about, there could be As we've talked about, there could be As we've talked about, there could be limited scenarios [music] in which AI limited scenarios [music] in which AI limited scenarios [music] in which AI could be a tool to help our children could be a tool to help our children could be a tool to help our children develop educationally. Are there ways it develop educationally. Are there ways it develop educationally. Are there ways it could help them emotionally, [music] could help them emotionally, [music] could help them emotionally, [music] too? Maybe. But, if there are, nobody I too? Maybe. But, if there are, nobody I too? Maybe. But, if there are, nobody I talked to could think of one. talked to could think of one. talked to could think of one. And honestly, [music] And honestly, [music] And honestly, [music] I think it's because, like Stephanie I think it's because, like Stephanie I think it's because, like Stephanie said, AI has no soul. It is not made in said, AI has no soul. It is not made in said, AI has no soul. It is not made in the image of God. [music] the image of God. [music] the image of God. [music] And when we think about ways our kids And when we think about ways our kids And when we think about ways our kids might use AI for emotional help, asking might use AI for emotional help, asking might use AI for emotional help, asking [music] for advice on handling a hard [music] for advice on handling a hard [music] for advice on handling a hard situation, figuring out how to feel situation, figuring out how to feel situation, figuring out how to feel about something, or even just chatting about something, or even just chatting about something, or even just chatting for [music] fun, every one of those is a for [music] fun, every one of those is a for [music] fun, every one of those is a way for one human being to inform, way for one human being to inform, way for one human being to inform, delight, or sharpen another. Everything delight, or sharpen another. Everything delight, or sharpen another. Everything is a [music] shepherding and like a is a [music] shepherding and like a is a [music] shepherding and like a discipleship opportunity, whether it's discipleship opportunity, whether it's discipleship opportunity, whether it's with your kids or someone in your church with your kids or someone in your church with your kids or someone in your church or women in your church [music] or or women in your church [music] or or women in your church [music] or college students, like everything is a college students, like everything is a college students, like everything is a discipleship opportunity because discipleship opportunity because discipleship opportunity because everything actually is theological. I everything actually is theological. I everything actually is theological. I wonder if maybe part of the effort here wonder if maybe part of the effort here wonder if maybe part of the effort here is as families just [music] to start is as families just [music] to start is as families just [music] to start realizing like, "What are my actions realizing like, "What are my actions realizing like, "What are my actions telling me about what I believe [music] telling me about what I believe [music] telling me about what I believe [music] when it comes to my use of AI? If when it comes to my use of AI? If when it comes to my use of AI? If somebody watched me use ChatGPT, would somebody watched me use ChatGPT, would somebody watched me use ChatGPT, would they understand what I believe about God they understand what I believe about God they understand what I believe about God and what I believe about humans and what and what I believe about humans and what and what I believe about humans and what [music] I believe about his world and [music] I believe about his world and [music] I believe about his world and what he's doing in it?"

what he's doing in it?" what he's doing in it?" This is a great question. This is a great question. This is a great question. Here's what I believe about God. He is Here's what I believe about God. He is Here's what I believe about God. He is the all-powerful creator who made us, the all-powerful creator who made us, the all-powerful creator who made us, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> loves us, and gave his son for us. He >> loves us, and gave his son for us. He >> loves us, and gave his son for us. He chose us from before the beginning of chose us from before the beginning of chose us from before the beginning of the world to be his children, to be the world to be his children, to be the world to be his children, to be alive at this moment, and to advance his alive at this moment, and to advance his alive at this moment, and to advance his kingdom by knowing and enjoying [music] kingdom by knowing and enjoying [music] kingdom by knowing and enjoying [music] him. Here's what I believe about other him. Here's what I believe about other him. Here's what I believe about other people. They are made in God's image, people. They are made in God's image, people. They are made in God's image, reflecting facets of his character. reflecting facets of his character. reflecting facets of his character. Through interactions with them, [music] Through interactions with them, [music] Through interactions with them, [music] I can know God, others, and myself I can know God, others, and myself I can know God, others, and myself better. Christians are given to each better. Christians are given to each better. Christians are given to each other as siblings in a family to walk other as siblings in a family to walk other as siblings in a family to walk with, serve, and [music] love each with, serve, and [music] love each with, serve, and [music] love each other. And here's what I believe about other. And here's what I believe about other. And here's what I believe about AI chatbots. They are powerful computer AI chatbots. They are powerful computer AI chatbots. They are powerful computer programs that are astonishingly good at programs that are astonishingly good at programs that are astonishingly good at guessing [music] the next correct word. guessing [music] the next correct word. guessing [music] the next correct word. Sometimes, I think the Lord uses those Sometimes, I think the Lord uses those Sometimes, I think the Lord uses those words to reveal truth, challenge words to reveal truth, challenge words to reveal truth, challenge assumptions, [music] assumptions, [music] assumptions, [music] or even draw people to himself. But, or even draw people to himself. But, or even draw people to himself. But, because AI is soulless, limited, [music] because AI is soulless, limited, [music] because AI is soulless, limited, [music] and not alive, it doesn't seem like it and not alive, it doesn't seem like it and not alive, it doesn't seem like it should be our go-to for personal or should be our go-to for personal or should be our go-to for personal or relational advice. In fact, I wonder if relational advice. In fact, I wonder if relational advice. In fact, I wonder if its quick and easy answers are sometimes its quick and easy answers are sometimes its quick and easy answers are sometimes blocking us from the real work we need blocking us from the real work we need blocking us from the real work we need to do.

to do. to do. Instead, when we or our children are Instead, when we or our children are Instead, when we or our children are sad, lonely, struggling, or angry, we sad, lonely, struggling, or angry, we sad, lonely, struggling, or angry, we should reach first for our Bibles. We should reach first for our Bibles. We should reach first for our Bibles. We should journal our prayers. We should should journal our prayers. We should should journal our prayers. We should walk [music] in silence. When we are walk [music] in silence. When we are walk [music] in silence. When we are ready, we should process our thoughts ready, we should process our thoughts ready, we should process our thoughts and feelings and decisions with other and feelings and decisions with other and feelings and decisions with other image bearers who love us [music] and image bearers who love us [music] and image bearers who love us [music] and who love the Lord. We should ask for who love the Lord. We should ask for who love the Lord. We should ask for leading, comfort, and help, not from leading, comfort, and help, not from leading, comfort, and help, not from Claude or Gemini, but from the Lord who Claude or Gemini, but from the Lord who Claude or Gemini, but from the Lord who made us, knows us, [music] and has a made us, knows us, [music] and has a made us, knows us, [music] and has a perfect plan for our lives. perfect plan for our lives. perfect plan for our lives. How can we disciple our kids in that How can we disciple our kids in that How can we disciple our kids in that direction? direction? direction? First, protect them. For older teens, First, protect them. For older teens, First, protect them. For older teens, this might be shared accounts, checking this might be shared accounts, checking this might be shared accounts, checking in on their history, or instructing in on their history, or instructing in on their history, or instructing [music] the chatbot to only speak in the [music] the chatbot to only speak in the [music] the chatbot to only speak in the third person so it doesn't present as third person so it doesn't present as third person so it doesn't present as human. For younger [music] kids, it human. For younger [music] kids, it human. For younger [music] kids, it probably means even more. probably means even more. probably means even more. >> I think what I'm realizing is I am not >> I think what I'm realizing is I am not >> I think what I'm realizing is I am not [music] at the point yet where I will [music] at the point yet where I will [music] at the point yet where I will let my kids do anything with any kind of let my kids do anything with any kind of let my kids do anything with any kind of AI platform without me being right there AI platform without me being right there AI platform without me being right there with them. For parents, like we just with them. For parents, like we just with them. For parents, like we just cannot outsource this [music] to our cannot outsource this [music] to our cannot outsource this [music] to our kids and assume that they're going to kids and assume that they're going to kids and assume that they're going to know how to handle it.

know how to handle it. know how to handle it. Second, fill their time with good Second, fill their time with good Second, fill their time with good activities [music] and relationships. activities [music] and relationships. activities [music] and relationships. >> We've always tried to emphasize a lot of >> We've always tried to emphasize a lot of >> We've always tried to emphasize a lot of play and outdoor and and [music] human play and outdoor and and [music] human play and outdoor and and [music] human interaction. No screens or devices at interaction. No screens or devices at interaction. No screens or devices at the dinner table. Honestly, I wonder if the dinner table. Honestly, I wonder if the dinner table. Honestly, I wonder if it's like dinner table. Like, that it's like dinner table. Like, that it's like dinner table. Like, that [music] has been kind of our one [music] has been kind of our one [music] has been kind of our one practice as a family that we really practice as a family that we really practice as a family that we really fight for and have fought for since they fight for and have fought for since they fight for and have fought for since they were born. And it wasn't anything were born. And it wasn't anything were born. And it wasn't anything special. I mean, it's not like [music] special. I mean, it's not like [music] special. I mean, it's not like [music] we didn't light candles or like we we didn't light candles or like we we didn't light candles or like we didn't do anything. didn't do anything. didn't do anything. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> We just like literally had dinner >> We just like literally had dinner >> We just like literally had dinner together every night, and it would could together every night, and it would could together every night, and it would could have been leftovers, and it was fine. have been leftovers, and it was fine. have been leftovers, and it was fine. But, I I think we just maybe that rhythm But, I I think we just maybe that rhythm But, I I think we just maybe that rhythm of human-to-human [music] interaction. of human-to-human [music] interaction. of human-to-human [music] interaction. And again, I'm laughing cuz I'm like, And again, I'm laughing cuz I'm like, And again, I'm laughing cuz I'm like, "Some of our conversations are like, "Some of our conversations are like, "Some of our conversations are like, 'How's your day?' 'Fine.'" It's not like 'How's your day?' 'Fine.'" It's not like 'How's your day?' 'Fine.'" It's not like they It's not like they were these they It's not like they were these they It's not like they were these amazing like, "Oh, we really connected amazing like, "Oh, we really connected amazing like, "Oh, we really connected every night at dinner." That wasn't what every night at dinner." That wasn't what every night at dinner." That wasn't what happened. happened. happened. But, I I think there's I think [music] But, I I think there's I think [music] But, I I think there's I think [music] rhythms shape us as humans more than we rhythms shape us as humans more than we rhythms shape us as humans more than we actually really know. And so, I think actually really know. And so, I think actually really know. And so, I think the rhythm of family dinner and then the the rhythm of family dinner and then the the rhythm of family dinner and then the rhythm of church on Sunday, [music] like rhythm of church on Sunday, [music] like rhythm of church on Sunday, [music] like we just So, we're we're trying to put we just So, we're we're trying to put we just So, we're we're trying to put our kids in embodied human interactions our kids in embodied human interactions our kids in embodied human interactions so that when something like a robot so that when something like a robot so that when something like a robot comes along, it just doesn't feel real comes along, it just doesn't feel real comes along, it just doesn't feel real or it doesn't feel like a substitute for or it doesn't feel like a substitute for or it doesn't feel like a substitute for the real thing.

the real thing. the real thing. This [music] rings true to me, mainly This [music] rings true to me, mainly This [music] rings true to me, mainly because it's the same advice we hear for because it's the same advice we hear for because it's the same advice we hear for rescuing our kids from social media or rescuing our kids from social media or rescuing our kids from social media or video games or any [music] other type of video games or any [music] other type of video games or any [music] other type of virtual reality. You cannot do better virtual reality. You cannot do better virtual reality. You cannot do better than limiting your kids' screen [music] than limiting your kids' screen [music] than limiting your kids' screen [music] time and leading them in an embodied time and leading them in an embodied time and leading them in an embodied life. Take them to church on Sunday, and life. Take them to church on Sunday, and life. Take them to church on Sunday, and when they're old [music] enough, to when they're old [music] enough, to when they're old [music] enough, to youth group. Have friends over for youth group. Have friends over for youth group. Have friends over for dinner. Arrange a sleepover. Host a dinner. Arrange a sleepover. Host a dinner. Arrange a sleepover. Host a birthday party. Buy tickets [music] to birthday party. Buy tickets [music] to birthday party. Buy tickets [music] to concerts, sporting events, and plays. concerts, sporting events, and plays. concerts, sporting events, and plays. Have them eat dinner, do the dishes, and Have them eat dinner, do the dishes, and Have them eat dinner, do the dishes, and work on chores together. Go on road work on chores together. Go on road work on chores together. Go on road trips and on [music] vacation. Fill your trips and on [music] vacation. Fill your trips and on [music] vacation. Fill your kids' lives with real experiences and kids' lives with real experiences and kids' lives with real experiences and real people. I think, [music] and I real people. I think, [music] and I real people. I think, [music] and I hope, that will help our children love hope, that will help our children love hope, that will help our children love to be with other image bearers. to be with other image bearers. to be with other image bearers. But, I also think it will help prepare But, I also think it will help prepare But, I also think it will help prepare them for their future career. This is going to be a massive social This is going to be a massive social challenge. There will be fewer [music] challenge. There will be fewer [music] challenge. There will be fewer [music] and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better.

better. better. >> I think AI can absolutely take people's >> I think AI can absolutely take people's >> I think AI can absolutely take people's jobs because of the way that Silicon jobs because of the way that Silicon jobs because of the way that Silicon Valley has started pitching the Valley has started pitching the Valley has started pitching the technology to try and earn [music] back technology to try and earn [music] back technology to try and earn [music] back all the money that they're spending. all the money that they're spending. all the money that they're spending. >> we're looking at the world where we have >> we're looking at the world where we have >> we're looking at the world where we have levels of unemployment we haven't seen levels of unemployment we haven't seen levels of unemployment we haven't seen before. And that's without before. And that's without before. And that's without superintelligence. I can completely superintelligence. I can completely superintelligence. I can completely identify with fearing for our [music] identify with fearing for our [music] identify with fearing for our [music] children's future. Josh Hasson is pastor children's future. Josh Hasson is pastor children's future. Josh Hasson is pastor of youth and families at Grace Community of youth and families at Grace Community of youth and families at Grace Community Church in Nashville. [music] I I've got Church in Nashville. [music] I I've got Church in Nashville. [music] I I've got a son who is going to college to study a son who is going to college to study a son who is going to college to study audio engineering and is [music] going audio engineering and is [music] going audio engineering and is [music] going to enter into like the production side to enter into like the production side to enter into like the production side of the music industry, and we've all of the music industry, and we've all of the music industry, and we've all heard songs that have been entirely heard songs that have been entirely heard songs that have been entirely written and produced [music] and even written and produced [music] and even written and produced [music] and even performed by AI. And so, it would be performed by AI. And so, it would be performed by AI. And so, it would be really easy for me to just lose sleep at really easy for me to just lose sleep at really easy for me to just lose sleep at night wondering what his future's going night wondering what his future's going night wondering what his future's going to be like. to be like. to be like. Uh and I just have to trust that the Uh and I just have to trust that the Uh and I just have to trust that the Lord's got him and he's going to be Lord's got him and he's going to be Lord's got him and he's going to be fine. And hopefully AI will wind up fine. And hopefully AI will wind up fine. And hopefully AI will wind up being another tool that he utilizes in being another tool that he utilizes in being another tool that he utilizes in [music] in helping artists uh bring [music] in helping artists uh bring [music] in helping artists uh bring their their their bring their works uh to light.

bring their works uh to light. bring their works uh to light. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Uh but man, yeah, I can totally >> Uh but man, yeah, I can totally >> Uh but man, yeah, I can totally understand uh understand uh understand uh the the worry and the anxiety of the the worry and the anxiety of the the worry and the anxiety of >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> where all of this is heading. >> where all of this is heading. >> where all of this is heading. Josh isn't wrong. AI is advancing Josh isn't wrong. AI is advancing Josh isn't wrong. AI is advancing rapidly and it is hard to know what rapidly and it is hard to know what rapidly and it is hard to know what human [music] skills it will be able to human [music] skills it will be able to human [music] skills it will be able to replicate next. Some days it can feel replicate next. Some days it can feel replicate next. Some days it can feel like every field, from software like every field, from software like every field, from software engineering to teaching, [music] will be engineering to teaching, [music] will be engineering to teaching, [music] will be obsolete. This can feel even scarier obsolete. This can feel even scarier obsolete. This can feel even scarier when big companies announce they're when big companies announce they're when big companies announce they're laying off thousands of people. But so laying off thousands of people. But so laying off thousands of people. But so far, and hear me out on this cuz I know far, and hear me out on this cuz I know far, and hear me out on this cuz I know it sounds weird, many economists [music] it sounds weird, many economists [music] it sounds weird, many economists [music] are arguing that AI hasn't had a are arguing that AI hasn't had a are arguing that AI hasn't had a discernible effect on the economy yet. discernible effect on the economy yet. discernible effect on the economy yet. Despite headlines, AI isn't the culprit Despite headlines, AI isn't the culprit Despite headlines, AI isn't the culprit behind slow [music] hiring, LinkedIn behind slow [music] hiring, LinkedIn behind slow [music] hiring, LinkedIn reported in January 2026. Instead, data reported in January 2026. Instead, data reported in January 2026. Instead, data shows economic [music] uncertainty and shows economic [music] uncertainty and shows economic [music] uncertainty and monetary policy shifts are the primary monetary policy shifts are the primary monetary policy shifts are the primary drivers. drivers. drivers. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Researchers at Yale and Brookings >> Researchers at Yale and Brookings >> Researchers at Yale and Brookings agreed, noting that {quote} the broader agreed, noting that {quote} the broader agreed, noting that {quote} the broader labor market has not experienced [music] labor market has not experienced [music] labor market has not experienced [music] a discernible disruption since ChatGPT's a discernible disruption since ChatGPT's a discernible disruption since ChatGPT's release 33 months ago. And a Goldman release 33 months ago. And a Goldman release 33 months ago. And a Goldman Sachs study is predicting AI adoption Sachs study is predicting AI adoption Sachs study is predicting AI adoption will only have a modest [music] and will only have a modest [music] and will only have a modest [music] and relatively temporary impact on relatively temporary impact on relatively temporary impact on employment levels.

employment levels. employment levels. Well, why the scary headlines then? Well, why the scary headlines then? Well, why the scary headlines then? Many are what Georgetown University Many are what Georgetown University Many are what Georgetown University computer science professor [music] Cal computer science professor [music] Cal computer science professor [music] Cal Newport calls vibe reporting, which lays Newport calls vibe reporting, which lays Newport calls vibe reporting, which lays out separate facts in such a way as to out separate facts in such a way as to out separate facts in such a way as to make them seem connected. Not only does make them seem connected. Not only does make them seem connected. Not only does it gain clicks for reporters, but it it gain clicks for reporters, but it it gain clicks for reporters, but it also works great for CEOs who can now also works great for CEOs who can now also works great for CEOs who can now lay off [music] thousands of people lay off [music] thousands of people lay off [music] thousands of people while looking like they're tech forward, while looking like they're tech forward, while looking like they're tech forward, Newport said. Remember when Jack Dorsey, Newport said. Remember when Jack Dorsey, >> [music] >> formerly of Twitter, laid off 4,000 >> formerly of Twitter, laid off 4,000 >> formerly of Twitter, laid off 4,000 people at his company Block? He said, people at his company Block? He said, people at his company Block? He said, and the media reported, that it was due and the media reported, that it was due and the media reported, that it was due to AI. But if you look back on Block's to AI. But if you look back on Block's to AI. But if you look back on Block's [music] hiring, you can see that the [music] hiring, you can see that the [music] hiring, you can see that the company ballooned from about 4,000 company ballooned from about 4,000 company ballooned from about 4,000 employees in [music] 2019 employees in [music] 2019 employees in [music] 2019 to nearly 13,000 in 2023. They [music] to nearly 13,000 in 2023. They [music] to nearly 13,000 in 2023. They [music] were hiring to capitalize on the tech were hiring to capitalize on the tech were hiring to capitalize on the tech boom during the pandemic. Now, like many boom during the pandemic. Now, like many boom during the pandemic. Now, like many tech companies, they're right-sizing. tech companies, they're right-sizing. tech companies, they're right-sizing. But if you say, "Whoops, we're laying But if you say, "Whoops, we're laying But if you say, "Whoops, we're laying [music] off people to correct the [music] off people to correct the [music] off people to correct the over-hiring we did earlier," that does over-hiring we did earlier," that does over-hiring we did earlier," that does not net you the 20% [music] stock not net you the 20% [music] stock not net you the 20% [music] stock increase that happens when you say, increase that happens when you say, increase that happens when you say, "We're doing this because of AI." So, we "We're doing this because of AI." So, we "We're doing this because of AI." So, we have to watch out for that. But at the have to watch out for that. But at the have to watch out for that. But at the same time, it isn't crazy to think AI same time, it isn't crazy to think AI same time, it isn't crazy to think AI would affect jobs. [music] would affect jobs. [music] would affect jobs. [music] Of course it has, and it will continue Of course it has, and it will continue Of course it has, and it will continue to do so, just like previous to do so, just like previous to do so, just like previous technological inventions like the technological inventions like the technological inventions like the internet or computers or even [music] internet or computers or even [music] internet or computers or even [music] cars. However, there is no guarantee AI cars. However, there is no guarantee AI cars. However, there is no guarantee AI will cut more jobs than it adds. For will cut more jobs than it adds. For will cut more jobs than it adds. For example, [music] here's what Nobel example, [music] here's what Nobel example, [music] here's what Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton said 10 years

laureate Geoffrey Hinton said 10 years laureate Geoffrey Hinton said 10 years ago. It's a quote from him. "I think if ago. It's a quote from him. "I think if ago. It's a quote from him. "I think if you work as a radiologist, you are like you work as a radiologist, you are like you work as a radiologist, you are like the [music] coyote that's already over the [music] coyote that's already over the [music] coyote that's already over the edge of the cliff but hasn't looked the edge of the cliff but hasn't looked the edge of the cliff but hasn't looked down yet. People should stop training down yet. People should stop training down yet. People should stop training radiologists now. It's just completely radiologists now. It's just completely radiologists now. It's just completely obvious within 5 years deep learning obvious within 5 years deep learning obvious within 5 years deep learning [music] is going to do better than [music] is going to do better than [music] is going to do better than radiologists." radiologists." radiologists." Well, it's been a decade and there is no Well, it's been a decade and there is no Well, it's been a decade and there is no evidence that a single radiologist has evidence that a single radiologist has evidence that a single radiologist has lost [music] a job to AI, the Harvard lost [music] a job to AI, the Harvard lost [music] a job to AI, the Harvard Business Review reported. Indeed, there Business Review reported. Indeed, there Business Review reported. Indeed, there is a substantial shortage of [music] is a substantial shortage of [music] is a substantial shortage of [music] them. them. them. Want to know why? Because the US Want to know why? Because the US Want to know why? Because the US population is both growing and aging. population is both growing and aging. population is both growing and aging. And many of those people need radiology And many of those people need radiology And many of those people need radiology scans. At this point, radiologists need scans. At this point, radiologists need scans. At this point, radiologists need AI's [music] help just to be efficient AI's [music] help just to be efficient AI's [music] help just to be efficient enough to keep up with demand. enough to keep up with demand. enough to keep up with demand. Another field predicted to be largely Another field predicted to be largely Another field predicted to be largely affected by AI is accounting. affected by AI is accounting. affected by AI is accounting. But know what else? But know what else? But know what else? 75% [music] of accountants are at 75% [music] of accountants are at 75% [music] of accountants are at retirement age and fewer people are retirement age and fewer people are retirement age and fewer people are taking the CPA exam. America [music] taking the CPA exam. America [music] taking the CPA exam. America [music] does not have enough accountants. We does not have enough accountants. We does not have enough accountants. We have a serious labor shortage. If AI have a serious labor shortage. If AI have a serious labor shortage. If AI could help automate some of that work, could help automate some of that work, could help automate some of that work, that would actually be amazing. And we that would actually be amazing. And we that would actually be amazing. And we would still need to hire more humans.

would still need to hire more humans. would still need to hire more humans. John Bents, who is a senior manager and John Bents, who is a senior manager and John Bents, who is a senior manager and technical marketing engineer at Nvidia, technical marketing engineer at Nvidia, technical marketing engineer at Nvidia, explained another reason he's not explained another reason he's not explained another reason he's not worried about his kids finding jobs. I worried about his kids finding jobs. I worried about his kids finding jobs. I think there's no question that AI has think there's no question that AI has think there's no question that AI has the potential to drastically change the the potential to drastically change the the potential to drastically change the job market. But whether it's a net loss job market. But whether it's a net loss job market. But whether it's a net loss of jobs, it's hard to say because if you of jobs, it's hard to say because if you of jobs, it's hard to say because if you think about whenever anything gets more think about whenever anything gets more think about whenever anything gets more plentiful and more cheap in our country, plentiful and more cheap in our country, plentiful and more cheap in our country, there are two ways to do to to use that, there are two ways to do to to use that, there are two ways to do to to use that, right? There's one way which says, right? There's one way which says, right? There's one way which says, "Well, man, I should just work 4 hours a "Well, man, I should just work 4 hours a "Well, man, I should just work 4 hours a day and have the rest of the day for day and have the rest of the day for day and have the rest of the day for leisure, right?" But you and I know leisure, right?" But you and I know leisure, right?" But you and I know that's typically not what happens. What that's typically not what happens. What that's typically not what happens. What typically happens is rather than have typically happens is rather than have typically happens is rather than have the same productivity and work less, we the same productivity and work less, we the same productivity and work less, we say, "Well, let's work the same amount say, "Well, let's work the same amount say, "Well, let's work the same amount and let's have more productivity." Yes, and let's have more productivity." Yes, and let's have more productivity." Yes, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I can totally see the American >> I can totally see the American >> I can totally see the American marketplace doing that because it's done marketplace doing that because it's done marketplace doing that because it's done that over and over and over again. that over and over and over again. that over and over and over again. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> We're already seeing early signs of it. >> We're already seeing early signs of it. >> We're already seeing early signs of it. LinkedIn reported that in the near term, LinkedIn reported that in the near term, LinkedIn reported that in the near term, AI is creating more [music] jobs than it AI is creating more [music] jobs than it AI is creating more [music] jobs than it is replacing. 1.3 million globally, is replacing. 1.3 million globally, is replacing. 1.3 million globally, actually, and that's just in the last 5 actually, and that's just in the last 5 actually, and that's just in the last 5 years. So, that's great [music] for most years. So, that's great [music] for most years. So, that's great [music] for most of us. But what about young workers?

of us. But what about young workers? of us. But what about young workers? While they've always had a higher While they've always had a higher While they've always had a higher unemployment rate than older workers, a unemployment rate than older workers, a unemployment rate than older workers, a few years ago young college grads began few years ago young college grads began few years ago young college grads began seeing [music] higher unemployment rates seeing [music] higher unemployment rates seeing [music] higher unemployment rates than the all workers category for the than the all workers category for the than the all workers category for the first time since 1989. [music] first time since 1989. [music] first time since 1989. [music] AI? AI? AI? Actually, no. "We do not [music] see AI Actually, no. "We do not [music] see AI Actually, no. "We do not [music] see AI impacting entry-level roles yet," impacting entry-level roles yet," impacting entry-level roles yet," LinkedIn reported in January. Their LinkedIn reported in January. Their LinkedIn reported in January. Their researchers pointed back to the [music] researchers pointed back to the [music] researchers pointed back to the [music] great reshuffle of 2020. From 2016 to great reshuffle of 2020. From 2016 to great reshuffle of 2020. From 2016 to 2022, companies added more entry-level 2022, companies added more entry-level 2022, companies added more entry-level workers than experienced workers. From workers than experienced workers. From workers than experienced workers. From 2022 to 2025, the entry-level share 2022 to 2025, the entry-level share 2022 to 2025, the entry-level share declined modestly, returning toward declined modestly, returning toward declined modestly, returning toward historical norms. historical norms. historical norms. Now, that's reassuring to me, but I Now, that's reassuring to me, but I Now, that's reassuring to me, but I don't want to minimize this. Everybody I don't want to minimize this. Everybody I don't want to minimize this. Everybody I read or talked to thought AI was going read or talked to thought AI was going read or talked to thought AI was going to affect the job market in some [music] to affect the job market in some [music] to affect the job market in some [music] way. way. way. So, what can Christian parents do to So, what can Christian parents do to So, what can Christian parents do to prepare their kids? So, my eldest son is prepare their kids? So, my eldest son is prepare their kids? So, my eldest son is a year and a half from college. And the a year and a half from college. And the a year and a half from college. And the normal parent, I think at this point, normal parent, I think at this point, normal parent, I think at this point, would be thinking, "What's little Johnny would be thinking, "What's little Johnny would be thinking, "What's little Johnny good at? Where's his career path going good at? Where's his career path going good at? Where's his career path going to be? How can we plan out his college to be? How can we plan out his college to be? How can we plan out his college to optimize that?" And I tell my son, to optimize that?" And I tell my son, to optimize that?" And I tell my son, "Look, I have no idea what the job "Look, I have no idea what the job "Look, I have no idea what the job market is going to look like 5 or 6 market is going to look like 5 or 6 market is going to look like 5 or 6 years from now, by the time that you're years from now, by the time that you're years from now, by the time that you're entering it. So, you should just get the entering it. So, you should just get the entering it. So, you should just get the best education that you can and trust best education that you can and trust best education that you can and trust God with the rest." I I think the main God with the rest." I I think the main God with the rest." I I think the main takeaway here is is really just a good takeaway here is is really just a good takeaway here is is really just a good Christian takeaway generally. You Christian takeaway generally. You Christian takeaway generally. You actually don't know nearly as much about actually don't know nearly as much about actually don't know nearly as much about the future as you thought you did. And the future as you thought you did. And the future as you thought you did. And stop pretending that you do and just be stop pretending that you do and just be stop pretending that you do and just be faithful with the next step ahead of faithful with the next step ahead of faithful with the next step ahead of you.

you. you. Isn't that the truth? Who here planned Isn't that the truth? Who here planned Isn't that the truth? Who here planned their education and career out [music] their education and career out [music] their education and career out [music] perfectly? Whose life plan went off perfectly? Whose life plan went off perfectly? Whose life plan went off without a single hitch or backtrack or without a single hitch or backtrack or without a single hitch or backtrack or rabbit trail? rabbit trail? rabbit trail? Who among us knows what tomorrow will Who among us knows what tomorrow will Who among us knows what tomorrow will bring? bring? bring? God doesn't even ask us to do that. God doesn't even ask us to do that. God doesn't even ask us to do that. Planning for tomorrow, James tells us, Planning for tomorrow, James tells us, Planning for tomorrow, James tells us, should be fenced with should be fenced with should be fenced with "If the Lord [music] wills, we will live "If the Lord [music] wills, we will live "If the Lord [music] wills, we will live and do this or that." That is not and do this or that." That is not and do this or that." That is not because having plans for our future or because having plans for our future or because having plans for our future or our kids' future is bad. It is because our kids' future is bad. It is because our kids' future is bad. It is because we, the parents who live with our we, the parents who live with our we, the parents who live with our children, who love them more than our children, who love them more than our children, who love them more than our own lives, who want only the best own lives, who want only the best own lives, who want only the best [music] for them, are not good enough to [music] for them, are not good enough to [music] for them, are not good enough to plan for their futures. plan for their futures. plan for their futures. We do not know them well enough, love We do not know them well enough, love We do not know them well enough, love them deeply enough, or see the future them deeply enough, or see the future them deeply enough, or see the future clearly enough. Our best plans for them clearly enough. Our best plans for them clearly enough. Our best plans for them are weak and inferior. Oh, friends, are weak and inferior. Oh, friends, are weak and inferior. Oh, friends, can you believe the generosity of God, can you believe the generosity of God, can you believe the generosity of God, who has a plan for our kids that is so who has a plan for our kids that is so who has a plan for our kids that is so much more detailed, such a better fit much more detailed, such a better fit much more detailed, such a better fit for their talents, [music] for their talents, [music] for their talents, [music] and so much better for his kingdom than and so much better for his kingdom than and so much better for his kingdom than anything we could come up with for them?

anything we could come up with for them? anything we could come up with for them? And all he tells us to do is to ask for And all he tells us to do is to ask for And all he tells us to do is to ask for our daily bread, our daily bread, our daily bread, for manna, one moment at a time, and to for manna, one moment at a time, and to for manna, one moment at a time, and to teach them. To the extent that you teach them. To the extent that you teach them. To the extent that you should do something concrete, I think it should do something concrete, I think it should do something concrete, I think it would be the opposite of what seems to would be the opposite of what seems to would be the opposite of what seems to be the default reflex. The default be the default reflex. The default be the default reflex. The default reflex for many parents seems to be, reflex for many parents seems to be, reflex for many parents seems to be, "Well, I'm really worried about AI and "Well, I'm really worried about AI and "Well, I'm really worried about AI and and jobs, so I really want to make sure and jobs, so I really want to make sure and jobs, so I really want to make sure that my kid is as AI literate as that my kid is as AI literate as that my kid is as AI literate as possible, so they'll have the best possible, so they'll have the best possible, so they'll have the best chance in this future AI economy." chance in this future AI economy." chance in this future AI economy." I think this is a misguided response I think this is a misguided response I think this is a misguided response because I mean, let's say your kid is because I mean, let's say your kid is because I mean, let's say your kid is 12. That is to say, "I want them to be 12. That is to say, "I want them to be 12. That is to say, "I want them to be as AI literate as possible. I want them as AI literate as possible. I want them as AI literate as possible. I want them to understand the current technology as to understand the current technology as to understand the current technology as well as possible, so that 10 to 12 years well as possible, so that 10 to 12 years well as possible, so that 10 to 12 years from now, they'll be well set up for from now, they'll be well set up for from now, they'll be well set up for success." I mean, that doesn't really success." I mean, that doesn't really success." I mean, that doesn't really follow because the technology is follow because the technology is follow because the technology is changing so rapidly that whatever they changing so rapidly that whatever they changing so rapidly that whatever they learn today learn today learn today is not going to be that relevant to what is not going to be that relevant to what is not going to be that relevant to what they might need to know 10 years from they might need to know 10 years from they might need to know 10 years from now. So, I think if you want your kids now. So, I think if you want your kids now. So, I think if you want your kids to be to be to be as prepared for an AI workforce as as prepared for an AI workforce as as prepared for an AI workforce as possible, possible, possible, they should be maximally skilled in they should be maximally skilled in they should be maximally skilled in doing things that don't involve a doing things that don't involve a doing things that don't involve a computer. computer. computer. I think Brad is exactly right here. John I think Brad is exactly right here. John I think Brad is exactly right here. John told me the industry is moving so fast told me the industry is moving so fast told me the industry is moving so fast that even now, by the time you [music] that even now, by the time you [music] that even now, by the time you [music] get through a college class on get through a college class on get through a college class on something, it has already changed. So, I something, it has already changed. So, I something, it has already changed. So, I asked John, "What does Nvidia look for asked John, "What does Nvidia look for asked John, "What does Nvidia look for in [music] potential employees?" He did in [music] potential employees?" He did in [music] potential employees?" He did not say the most up-to-date knowledge of not say the most up-to-date knowledge of not say the most up-to-date knowledge of AI. We are looking for people with a AI. We are looking for people with a AI. We are looking for people with a willingness and desire to keep learning.

willingness and desire to keep learning. willingness and desire to keep learning. [music] [music] [music] It It's interesting, but you can teach It It's interesting, but you can teach It It's interesting, but you can teach almost anybody a skill. I could teach almost anybody a skill. I could teach almost anybody a skill. I could teach you to program. You gave me a few hours you to program. You gave me a few hours you to program. You gave me a few hours every day for the next 3 weeks. At the every day for the next 3 weeks. At the every day for the next 3 weeks. At the end of that, you would know how to end of that, you would know how to end of that, you would know how to program. Like, you could learn that. Do program. Like, you could learn that. Do program. Like, you could learn that. Do you want to and do you do you have the you want to and do you do you have the you want to and do you do you have the desire? That's a different thing, desire? That's a different thing, desire? That's a different thing, [music] right? And so, [music] right? And so, [music] right? And so, what we really value is what we really value is what we really value is a one team mentality, the ability to be a one team mentality, the ability to be a one team mentality, the ability to be agile, and the ability [music] to be a agile, and the ability [music] to be a agile, and the ability [music] to be a lifelong learner lifelong learner lifelong learner because the way that technology is because the way that technology is because the way that technology is changing, it's it's [music] just changing, it's it's [music] just changing, it's it's [music] just changing all the time. Culture is very changing all the time. Culture is very changing all the time. Culture is very big for us, too. And actually, the big for us, too. And actually, the big for us, too. And actually, the ability to use AI tools ability to use AI tools ability to use AI tools as well, right? And again, this is not as well, right? And again, this is not as well, right? And again, this is not to take a job away from somebody else, to take a job away from somebody else, to take a job away from somebody else, but it's to think about but it's to think about but it's to think about your own productivity and making your own productivity and making your own productivity and making yourself more productive. I actually yourself more productive. I actually yourself more productive. I actually tell tell tell uh new employees that at Video with the uh new employees that at Video with the uh new employees that at Video with the rise of social media and the ability to rise of social media and the ability to rise of social media and the ability to communicate in this technological way, communicate in this technological way, communicate in this technological way, actually being able to have a actually being able to have a actually being able to have a human-to-human [music] human-to-human [music] human-to-human [music] conversation becomes a superpower. conversation becomes a superpower. conversation becomes a superpower. Because anybody can text, anybody can Because anybody can text, anybody can Because anybody can text, anybody can type, anybody can stroll LinkedIn or type, anybody can stroll LinkedIn or type, anybody can stroll LinkedIn or whatever, but if you have the ability to whatever, but if you have the ability to whatever, but if you have the ability to communicate, [music] see, I actually communicate, [music] see, I actually communicate, [music] see, I actually think the ability to communicate is more think the ability to communicate is more think the ability to communicate is more important now than [music] it used to important now than [music] it used to important now than [music] it used to be. You know what that sounds like to be. You know what that sounds like to be. You know what that sounds like to me?

me? me? Tech companies, hey, probably all Tech companies, hey, probably all Tech companies, hey, probably all companies, companies, companies, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> are looking for young hires who want to >> are looking for young hires who want to >> are looking for young hires who want to be excellent, to work heartily at what be excellent, to work heartily at what be excellent, to work heartily at what their hands find to do. [music] their hands find to do. [music] their hands find to do. [music] They want employees who are flexible and They want employees who are flexible and They want employees who are flexible and adaptable. Perhaps the kind who do not adaptable. Perhaps the kind who do not adaptable. Perhaps the kind who do not [music] hold their plans too tightly. [music] hold their plans too tightly. [music] hold their plans too tightly. They want people who pitch in, who work They want people who pitch in, who work They want people who pitch in, who work hard, and who serve [music] their hard, and who serve [music] their hard, and who serve [music] their teammates well. And teammates well. And teammates well. And they're looking for thinkers. they're looking for thinkers. they're looking for thinkers. >> Most people will know how to use AI. If >> Most people will know how to use AI. If >> Most people will know how to use AI. If you have a strong mind plus AI, you will you have a strong mind plus AI, you will you have a strong mind plus AI, you will be head and shoulders above everybody be head and shoulders above everybody be head and shoulders above everybody else. Because fundamentally, you'll else. Because fundamentally, you'll else. Because fundamentally, you'll understand what you're doing, why you're understand what you're doing, why you're understand what you're doing, why you're doing it, and how to do it. doing it, and how to do it. doing it, and how to do it. Here's what John is saying. Here's what John is saying. Here's what John is saying. Do not outsource [music] so much of your Do not outsource [music] so much of your Do not outsource [music] so much of your thinking to AI that you lose the ability thinking to AI that you lose the ability thinking to AI that you lose the ability to do it. It's the same [music] argument to do it. It's the same [music] argument to do it. It's the same [music] argument Marshall McLuhan makes. Brad explained Marshall McLuhan makes. Brad explained Marshall McLuhan makes. Brad explained it to me. So, he says that every it to me. So, he says that every it to me. So, he says that every technology is a form of auto amputation. technology is a form of auto amputation. technology is a form of auto amputation. It extends some part of our nervous It extends some part of our nervous It extends some part of our nervous system essentially, but in the process, system essentially, but in the process, system essentially, but in the process, it numbs it. it numbs it. it numbs it. For example, being able to type [music] For example, being able to type [music] For example, being able to type [music] means I can write a lot faster, but it means I can write a lot faster, but it means I can write a lot faster, but it also means I'm losing the deep thinking also means I'm losing the deep thinking also means I'm losing the deep thinking and enhanced memorization that comes and enhanced memorization that comes and enhanced memorization that comes from [music] writing by hand. Or asking from [music] writing by hand. Or asking from [music] writing by hand. Or asking ChatGPT to summarize an article for me ChatGPT to summarize an article for me ChatGPT to summarize an article for me means I get to the main point a lot means I get to the main point a lot means I get to the main point a lot faster, [music] but it also means I'm faster, [music] but it also means I'm faster, [music] but it also means I'm losing the ability to read and summarize losing the ability to read and summarize losing the ability to read and summarize on my own. C.S. Lewis in Abolition of on my own. C.S. Lewis in Abolition of on my own. C.S. Lewis in Abolition of Man, in the last chapter, he's talking Man, in the last chapter, he's talking Man, in the last chapter, he's talking about technology and he says, about technology and he says, about technology and he says, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> "It's like the famous joke about the >> "It's like the famous joke about the >> "It's like the famous joke about the Irishman who discovered that with a new Irishman who discovered that with a new Irishman who discovered that with a new kind of coal stove, he could reduce his kind of coal stove, he could reduce his kind of coal stove, he could reduce his fuel bill by half. And he thus concluded

fuel bill by half. And he thus concluded fuel bill by half. And he thus concluded that if he got two such stoves, he'd be that if he got two such stoves, he'd be that if he got two such stoves, he'd be able to heat his house for free." And able to heat his house for free." And able to heat his house for free." And Lewis says, "Obviously, it doesn't work Lewis says, "Obviously, it doesn't work Lewis says, "Obviously, it doesn't work that way. I mean, sometimes you can make that way. I mean, sometimes you can make that way. I mean, sometimes you can make technological improvements and it works technological improvements and it works technological improvements and it works up to a certain point. You can't double up to a certain point. You can't double up to a certain point. You can't double it and then get better, you get worse. it and then get better, you get worse. it and then get better, you get worse. Now, he's not talking about AI, but it Now, he's not talking about AI, but it Now, he's not talking about AI, but it really applies, I think. Essentially, we really applies, I think. Essentially, we really applies, I think. Essentially, we can keep handing off lower skill things can keep handing off lower skill things can keep handing off lower skill things to technology to free ourselves up to do to technology to free ourselves up to do to technology to free ourselves up to do higher skill things, but at some point, higher skill things, but at some point, higher skill things, but at some point, if we trade off the highest skill thing, if we trade off the highest skill thing, if we trade off the highest skill thing, then there's nothing to trade up to then there's nothing to trade up to then there's nothing to trade up to anymore. And then people say, "Oh, well, anymore. And then people say, "Oh, well, anymore. And then people say, "Oh, well, then we'll have more leisure time." Or then we'll have more leisure time." Or then we'll have more leisure time." Or or this is what Sam Altman says, "People or this is what Sam Altman says, "People or this is what Sam Altman says, "People will be freed up to do creative things." will be freed up to do creative things." will be freed up to do creative things." But I don't think he actually But I don't think he actually But I don't think he actually understands creativity. Creativity understands creativity. Creativity understands creativity. Creativity doesn't mean doodling on a pad of paper. doesn't mean doodling on a pad of paper. doesn't mean doodling on a pad of paper. Actually, it's work. Who was more Actually, it's work. Who was more Actually, it's work. Who was more creative than Shakespeare or Bach? That creative than Shakespeare or Bach? That creative than Shakespeare or Bach? That was only because they had first acquired was only because they had first acquired was only because they had first acquired all these lower level skills. all these lower level skills. all these lower level skills. I love this [music] I love this [music] I love this [music] because it dovetails so well with the because it dovetails so well with the because it dovetails so well with the wisdom on education and emotions. A wisdom on education and emotions. A wisdom on education and emotions. A child who reads books, struggles [music] child who reads books, struggles [music] child who reads books, struggles [music] through lessons, and spends lots of time through lessons, and spends lots of time through lessons, and spends lots of time with other humans will be better with other humans will be better with other humans will be better positioned for quality learning, healthy positioned for quality learning, healthy positioned for quality learning, healthy relationships, relationships, relationships, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and a successful career bringing >> and a successful career bringing >> and a successful career bringing creativity, light, and joy to the creativity, light, and joy to the creativity, light, and joy to the marketplace.

Maybe even thinking about how to use AI Maybe even thinking about how to use AI in parenting is potentially an in parenting is potentially an in parenting is potentially an incomplete question, right? You want to incomplete question, right? You want to incomplete question, right? You want to raise a well-adapted, socially adapted raise a well-adapted, socially adapted raise a well-adapted, socially adapted Christian child. Christian child. Christian child. How am I going to do that? What are the How am I going to do that? What are the How am I going to do that? What are the steps I'm going to take? What are the steps I'm going to take? What are the steps I'm going to take? What are the tools I'm going to use? And for the tools I'm going to use? And for the tools I'm going to use? And for the tools that I don't understand tools that I don't understand tools that I don't understand completely, AI, how am I going to completely, AI, how am I going to completely, AI, how am I going to educate myself and then bring us all educate myself and then bring us all educate myself and then bring us all along [music] together? along [music] together? along [music] together? While this sounds like a hard question, While this sounds like a hard question, While this sounds like a hard question, everyone I talked to, including John everyone I talked to, including John everyone I talked to, including John himself, had basically [music] the same himself, had basically [music] the same himself, had basically [music] the same answer. There's no new sin, no new answer. There's no new sin, no new answer. There's no new sin, no new temptation under the sun. However, there temptation under the sun. However, there temptation under the sun. However, there are new avenues for it. are new avenues for it. are new avenues for it. I think the danger is the new avenue and I think the danger is the new avenue and I think the danger is the new avenue and the language I use is the current. Why the language I use is the current. Why the language I use is the current. Why do good swimmers drown? [music] do good swimmers drown? [music] do good swimmers drown? [music] It's because we're ill-prepared for It's because we're ill-prepared for It's because we're ill-prepared for either how strong the current is or for either how strong the current is or for either how strong the current is or for what's in the water. what's in the water. what's in the water. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I think technology is the current and AI >> I think technology is the current and AI >> I think technology is the current and AI is a strong rip tide that nobody's is a strong rip tide that nobody's is a strong rip tide that nobody's prepared for. The goal is not to say, prepared for. The goal is not to say, prepared for. The goal is not to say, [music] "I keep my kids out of the water [music] "I keep my kids out of the water [music] "I keep my kids out of the water altogether." My goal is, "Until I'm altogether." My goal is, "Until I'm altogether." My goal is, "Until I'm prepared to help teach them, I probably prepared to help teach them, I probably prepared to help teach them, I probably shouldn't be letting them get in the shouldn't be letting them get in the shouldn't be letting them get in the water." [music] water." [music] water." [music] But a good parent teaches them how to But a good parent teaches them how to But a good parent teaches them how to swim. We teach them how good swim. We teach them how good swim. We teach them how good stewardship. We teach them how to stewardship. We teach them how to stewardship. We teach them how to navigate, to be in the world but not of navigate, to be in the world but not of navigate, to be in the world but not of the world. To use things as a resource the world. To use things as a resource the world. To use things as a resource that honors God, glorifies God. And so, that honors God, glorifies God. And so, that honors God, glorifies God. And so, you have all these biblical principles you have all these biblical principles you have all these biblical principles that don't tell us at this age do this that don't tell us at this age do this that don't tell us at this age do this and at this [music] age do this, and at this [music] age do this, and at this [music] age do this, but you have these biblical guidelines but you have these biblical guidelines but you have these biblical guidelines that say good parenting prepares,

that say good parenting prepares, that say good parenting prepares, equips, disciples, protects. So, I want equips, disciples, protects. So, I want equips, disciples, protects. So, I want to look at what are the principles and to look at what are the principles and to look at what are the principles and then say, "What are my child's then say, "What are my child's then say, "What are my child's vulnerabilities, temptations? Where are vulnerabilities, temptations? Where are vulnerabilities, temptations? Where are they prone to fall for things that they prone to fall for things that they prone to fall for things that [music] are not true? And how do I equip [music] are not true? And how do I equip [music] are not true? And how do I equip them?" them?" them?" If there were like bear traps all across If there were like bear traps all across If there were like bear traps all across this field, uh then I would tell you this field, uh then I would tell you this field, uh then I would tell you where all of them were, right? And I where all of them were, right? And I where all of them were, right? And I think it's kind of like that. It's like, think it's kind of like that. It's like, think it's kind of like that. It's like, you know, they're probably all going to you know, they're probably all going to you know, they're probably all going to use and are using some sort of AI kind use and are using some sort of AI kind use and are using some sort of AI kind of thing and we're trying to like of thing and we're trying to like of thing and we're trying to like protect them from and then identify protect them from and then identify protect them from and then identify those things and then walk alongside those things and then walk alongside those things and then walk alongside them for as long as we can. But you got them for as long as we can. But you got them for as long as we can. But you got to talk to them about it. You don't want to talk to them about it. You don't want to talk to them about it. You don't want your kid just kind of learning that on your kid just kind of learning that on your kid just kind of learning that on their own. How do you teach your kids to their own. How do you teach your kids to their own. How do you teach your kids to use a tool? Right? If your if your use a tool? Right? If your if your use a tool? Right? If your if your husband and you have a power saw, when husband and you have a power saw, when husband and you have a power saw, when will you teach your child to use this will you teach your child to use this will you teach your child to use this power saw? And when will you allow him power saw? And when will you allow him power saw? And when will you allow him or her to use it without being or her to use it without being or her to use it without being supervised? First stage is there's no supervised? First stage is there's no supervised? First stage is there's no way you're using it, right? You don't way you're using it, right? You don't way you're using it, right? You don't understand how to use it, you don't understand how to use it, you don't understand how to use it, you don't understand the dangers. So, there's no understand the dangers. So, there's no understand the dangers. So, there's no way you're going to use it. And then, way you're going to use it. And then, way you're going to use it. And then, they get old enough and then they can they get old enough and then they can they get old enough and then they can maybe watch you or your husband use it, maybe watch you or your husband use it, maybe watch you or your husband use it, but you cannot be touching it. You will but you cannot be touching it. You will but you cannot be touching it. You will watch us use it and you will see how we watch us use it and you will see how we watch us use it and you will see how we use it. And then, maybe you'll teach use it. And then, maybe you'll teach use it. And then, maybe you'll teach them how it works, them how it works, them how it works, right? Explain to them the value of it, right? Explain to them the value of it, right? Explain to them the value of it, what it does, but they're still not what it does, but they're still not what it does, but they're still not touching it. Finally, you might teach touching it. Finally, you might teach touching it. Finally, you might teach them how to use it and then you will them how to use it and then you will them how to use it and then you will help them use it. You will use it help them use it. You will use it help them use it. You will use it together, right? You will have your together, right? You will have your together, right? You will have your hands right on top of their hands. This hands right on top of their hands. This hands right on top of their hands. This is like a non-negotiable. Like you go is like a non-negotiable. Like you go is like a non-negotiable. Like you go through this progression. Finally, I through this progression. Finally, I through this progression. Finally, I don't know, maybe when they're 13, don't know, maybe when they're 13, don't know, maybe when they're 13, something like this, depending on their something like this, depending on their something like this, depending on their maturity level, they will use it without

maturity level, they will use it without maturity level, they will use it without your hands on it, but you will be like your hands on it, but you will be like your hands on it, but you will be like right there. The second something goes right there. The second something goes right there. The second something goes wrong, you're pulling the plug. And wrong, you're pulling the plug. And wrong, you're pulling the plug. And then, maybe after that, you say, "Okay, then, maybe after that, you say, "Okay, then, maybe after that, you say, "Okay, I think you can use it. I want to watch I think you can use it. I want to watch I think you can use it. I want to watch you, but I'm not going to hover over you, but I'm not going to hover over you, but I'm not going to hover over you. You're going to be able to use it." you. You're going to be able to use it." you. You're going to be able to use it." Phew. Phew. Phew. You can hear the warnings here. All the You can hear the warnings here. All the You can hear the warnings here. All the analogies are dangerous things, rip analogies are dangerous things, rip analogies are dangerous things, rip tides, bear traps, [music] and power tides, bear traps, [music] and power tides, bear traps, [music] and power saws. saws. saws. But I don't think it's an overreaction. But I don't think it's an overreaction. But I don't think it's an overreaction. It sounds more like Christian It sounds more like Christian It sounds more like Christian professionals and parents who have seen professionals and parents who have seen professionals and parents who have seen the danger that unmonitored access to the danger that unmonitored access to the danger that unmonitored access to the internet, cell phones, social media, the internet, cell phones, social media, the internet, cell phones, social media, and video [music] games can have on and video [music] games can have on and video [music] games can have on children. And so, when a brand new children. And so, when a brand new children. And so, when a brand new technology comes along, technology comes along, technology comes along, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> this time more powerful, interactive, >> this time more powerful, interactive, >> this time more powerful, interactive, and seductive than anything we've seen and seductive than anything we've seen and seductive than anything we've seen before, their antenna go up. They are before, their antenna go up. They are before, their antenna go up. They are quick to recognize [music] parallels, do quick to recognize [music] parallels, do quick to recognize [music] parallels, do the research, and make different choices the research, and make different choices the research, and make different choices for their children. Clearly, for younger for their children. Clearly, for younger for their children. Clearly, for younger children, [music] they would recommend children, [music] they would recommend children, [music] they would recommend any use of AI be heavily supervised. For any use of AI be heavily supervised. For any use of AI be heavily supervised. For older kids, they recommend teaching them older kids, they recommend teaching them older kids, they recommend teaching them on how to use AI [music] well. And by on how to use AI [music] well. And by on how to use AI [music] well. And by well, they don't just mean how to write well, they don't just mean how to write well, they don't just mean how to write a good prompt.

a good prompt. a good prompt. >> My youngest son, who's in high school, >> My youngest son, who's in high school, >> My youngest son, who's in high school, isn't necessarily relying on it himself isn't necessarily relying on it himself isn't necessarily relying on it himself yet, but he's watching all of his peers yet, but he's watching all of his peers yet, but he's watching all of his peers do it, which is the current, right? The do it, which is the current, right? The do it, which is the current, right? The current is really pulling him in to say, current is really pulling him in to say, current is really pulling him in to say, "Well, all my peers are doing it. I'm "Well, all my peers are doing it. I'm "Well, all my peers are doing it. I'm watching them do [music] it. What am I watching them do [music] it. What am I watching them do [music] it. What am I going to do?" And so, I can't stand on going to do?" And so, I can't stand on going to do?" And so, I can't stand on the sidelines and say, "Well, he's not the sidelines and say, "Well, he's not the sidelines and say, "Well, he's not in the waters yet." I have to go watch in the waters yet." I have to go watch in the waters yet." I have to go watch from the sidelines and tell me what you from the sidelines and tell me what you from the sidelines and tell me what you think about that. Are you strong enough think about that. Are you strong enough think about that. Are you strong enough not to be tempted to just take a quick not to be tempted to just take a quick not to be tempted to just take a quick snapshot of your exam? What [music] snapshot of your exam? What [music] snapshot of your exam? What [music] makes you tempted to do it? Why wouldn't makes you tempted to do it? Why wouldn't makes you tempted to do it? Why wouldn't you do it? And I'm actually appealing to you do it? And I'm actually appealing to you do it? And I'm actually appealing to his heart, not just his behavior, his heart, not just his behavior, his heart, not just his behavior, [music] to say, "You will be tempted. [music] to say, "You will be tempted. [music] to say, "You will be tempted. This is tempting. Like if you can have This is tempting. Like if you can have This is tempting. Like if you can have an easy way to get work done and it an easy way to get work done and it an easy way to get work done and it makes you more productive, you can go on makes you more productive, you can go on makes you more productive, you can go on and play video games or go outside and and play video games or go outside and and play video games or go outside and play basketball, [music] why wouldn't play basketball, [music] why wouldn't play basketball, [music] why wouldn't you do it?" And so, to argue you stay you do it?" And so, to argue you stay you do it?" And so, to argue you stay here and work it out for a half an hour here and work it out for a half an hour here and work it out for a half an hour when you're seeing all of your friends when you're seeing all of your friends when you're seeing all of your friends [music] get done in 5 minutes is a [music] get done in 5 minutes is a [music] get done in 5 minutes is a really hard sell if there's not some really hard sell if there's not some really hard sell if there's not some kind of moral foundation underneath it. kind of moral foundation underneath it. kind of moral foundation underneath it. I asked Julie what she says in her I asked Julie what she says in her I asked Julie what she says in her sideline conversations with her [music] sideline conversations with her [music] sideline conversations with her [music] college-age kids. You know, I like just college-age kids. You know, I like just college-age kids. You know, I like just doing it in everyday conversation. They doing it in everyday conversation. They doing it in everyday conversation. They like YouTubing things and they'll watch like YouTubing things and they'll watch like YouTubing things and they'll watch YouTube clips of stuff and so, I'll just YouTube clips of stuff and so, I'll just YouTube clips of stuff and so, I'll just talk we'll talk about it or they'll joke talk we'll talk about it or they'll joke talk we'll talk about it or they'll joke about their dad using ChatGPT and I'll about their dad using ChatGPT and I'll about their dad using ChatGPT and I'll say, "Well, what do you think is the say, "Well, what do you think is the say, "Well, what do you think is the dangers of it and how much do you use dangers of it and how much do you use dangers of it and how much do you use it?" And so, it?" And so, it?" And so, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I love Deuteronomy 6 where it just has >> I love Deuteronomy 6 where it just has >> I love Deuteronomy 6 where it just has this mentality whether you're walking this mentality whether you're walking this mentality whether you're walking along the way, whether you rise, whether along the way, whether you rise, whether along the way, whether you rise, whether you sit, [music] whether you're having you sit, [music] whether you're having you sit, [music] whether you're having dinner, whether you're watching TV. And dinner, whether you're watching TV. And dinner, whether you're watching TV. And so, I try to make it a very so, I try to make it a very so, I try to make it a very non-threatening, you're not being non-threatening, you're not being non-threatening, you're not being lectured kind of conversation where I'll

lectured kind of conversation where I'll lectured kind of conversation where I'll say, "Hey, what are your peers doing? say, "Hey, what are your peers doing? say, "Hey, what are your peers doing? >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Like do you know any of your your >> Like do you know any of your your >> Like do you know any of your your college-age friends who are using it to college-age friends who are using it to college-age friends who are using it to fly through college?" And like, "Oh, fly through college?" And like, "Oh, fly through college?" And like, "Oh, yeah." And they begin just telling yeah." And they begin just telling yeah." And they begin just telling [music] me all that their peers are [music] me all that their peers are [music] me all that their peers are doing. And then I'll say, "Well, what do doing. And then I'll say, "Well, what do doing. And then I'll say, "Well, what do you think about that?" And then I'll you think about that?" And then I'll you think about that?" And then I'll say, "Are you tempted? Do you really say, "Are you tempted? Do you really say, "Are you tempted? Do you really tempted if I were in your shoes?" And tempted if I were in your shoes?" And tempted if I were in your shoes?" And so, you're starting broad with what are so, you're starting broad with what are so, you're starting broad with what are the peers around you doing the peers around you doing the peers around you doing >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and you're slowly working your way in to >> and you're slowly working your way in to >> and you're slowly working your way in to say, "Well, what's that like for you?" say, "Well, what's that like for you?" say, "Well, what's that like for you?" And how does that tempt you to want to And how does that tempt you to want to And how does that tempt you to want to use it? Just encouraging them to say, use it? Just encouraging them to say, use it? Just encouraging them to say, "You know, integrity makes it worth it. "You know, integrity makes it worth it. "You know, integrity makes it worth it. I'd rather you get a C in math than get I'd rather you get a C in math than get I'd rather you get a C in math than get an A because you were cheating." Or I'd an A because you were cheating." Or I'd an A because you were cheating." Or I'd rather you learn to think and do the rather you learn to think and do the rather you learn to think and do the hard work [music] of thinking. What I'm hard work [music] of thinking. What I'm hard work [music] of thinking. What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to identify trying to do is I'm trying to identify trying to do is I'm trying to identify with the temptation with [music] them with the temptation with [music] them with the temptation with [music] them while also encouraging them to say, while also encouraging them to say, while also encouraging them to say, "Don't you want better for yourself? You "Don't you want better for yourself? You "Don't you want better for yourself? You know, God's way is worth living for." know, God's way is worth living for." know, God's way is worth living for." >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And why is God's way different than AI? >> And why is God's way different than AI? >> And why is God's way different than AI? And even being willing to tease that out And even being willing to tease that out And even being willing to tease that out to say, "How do we know God doesn't want to say, "How do we know God doesn't want to say, "How do we know God doesn't want us using AI?" And I have kids that would us using AI?" And I have kids that would us using AI?" And I have kids that would ask those kind of questions, and I think ask those kind of questions, and I think ask those kind of questions, and I think it's a great question to ask because it's a great question to ask because it's a great question to ask because [music] [music] [music] they're they're learning critical they're they're learning critical they're they're learning critical thinking. They're learning to evaluate thinking. They're learning to evaluate thinking. They're learning to evaluate is God anti-AI?

Is God anti-AI? It's important to be Is God anti-AI? It's important to be really thoughtful about, but I don't really thoughtful about, but I don't really thoughtful about, but I don't need to be afraid of it. need to be afraid of it. need to be afraid of it. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Like Christ is preeminent over this, >> Like Christ is preeminent over this, >> Like Christ is preeminent over this, too. too. too. So, what does that mean that Christ is So, what does that mean that Christ is So, what does that mean that Christ is preeminent over AI? Cuz my theology preeminent over AI? Cuz my theology preeminent over AI? Cuz my theology would say that that is true, [music] would say that that is true, [music] would say that that is true, [music] that Christ is preeminent over all that Christ is preeminent over all that Christ is preeminent over all things, including the AI revolution. And things, including the AI revolution. And things, including the AI revolution. And so, I think trying [music] to wrestle so, I think trying [music] to wrestle so, I think trying [music] to wrestle with it that way. with it that way. with it that way. God is not surprised by the AI God is not surprised by the AI God is not surprised by the AI revolution. He [music] isn't taken aback revolution. He [music] isn't taken aback revolution. He [music] isn't taken aback by the way it's being used, and he knows by the way it's being used, and he knows by the way it's being used, and he knows exactly how it will evolve in the exactly how it will evolve in the exactly how it will evolve in the future. In his sovereignty, he allowed future. In his sovereignty, he allowed future. In his sovereignty, he allowed this technology to exist, and it is part this technology to exist, and it is part this technology to exist, and it is part [music] of the all things Romans 8:28 [music] of the all things Romans 8:28 [music] of the all things Romans 8:28 tells us must work for good. Yes, it is tells us must work for good. Yes, it is tells us must work for good. Yes, it is easy to see the sin here, [music] the easy to see the sin here, [music] the easy to see the sin here, [music] the cheating, the lust, the laziness, the cheating, the lust, the laziness, the cheating, the lust, the laziness, the lying, the quick trading of what is good lying, the quick trading of what is good lying, the quick trading of what is good and true and beautiful for that which is and true and beautiful for that which is and true and beautiful for that which is quick [music] and cheap and quick [music] and cheap and quick [music] and cheap and frictionless. frictionless. frictionless. But it is also easy to see the good work But it is also easy to see the good work But it is also easy to see the good work of Christian parents [music] of Christian parents [music] of Christian parents [music] who are using AI as a tool for who are using AI as a tool for who are using AI as a tool for constructive purposes, to organize their constructive purposes, to organize their constructive purposes, to organize their schedules, [music] find restaurant schedules, [music] find restaurant schedules, [music] find restaurant recommendations, or search for college recommendations, or search for college recommendations, or search for college scholarship opportunities, but who are scholarship opportunities, but who are scholarship opportunities, but who are also standing watch also standing watch also standing watch >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> over their children.

>> over their children. >> over their children. >> It's not being anti-technology to say >> It's not being anti-technology to say >> It's not being anti-technology to say that this thing is simply not a that this thing is simply not a that this thing is simply not a child-safe technology. child-safe technology. child-safe technology. That is [music] not to say it could That is [music] not to say it could That is [music] not to say it could never become child-safe with the right never become child-safe with the right never become child-safe with the right designs and restrictions. But in their designs and restrictions. But in their designs and restrictions. But in their current [music] form, chatbots like current [music] form, chatbots like current [music] form, chatbots like ChatGPT or Gemini are not safe for kids ChatGPT or Gemini are not safe for kids ChatGPT or Gemini are not safe for kids to operate alone. And that's okay. Lots to operate alone. And that's okay. Lots to operate alone. And that's okay. Lots of things, like roller [music] coasters of things, like roller [music] coasters of things, like roller [music] coasters or cars or power saws, aren't either. or cars or power saws, aren't either. or cars or power saws, aren't either. That doesn't mean our kids will never be That doesn't mean our kids will never be That doesn't mean our kids will never be able to use them. It just means they able to use them. It just means they able to use them. It just means they [music] need their parents to set good [music] need their parents to set good [music] need their parents to set good boundaries, teach them well, and when boundaries, teach them well, and when boundaries, teach them well, and when the time is right, allow them to take the time is right, allow them to take the time is right, allow them to take steps toward using it in a good, steps toward using it in a good, steps toward using it in a good, healthy, right way. healthy, right way. healthy, right way. Because this is [music] new, and because Because this is [music] new, and because Because this is [music] new, and because we are sinners, we are going to mess up we are sinners, we are going to mess up we are sinners, we are going to mess up along the way. Your friends might make along the way. Your friends might make along the way. Your friends might make different choices [music] with their different choices [music] with their different choices [music] with their kids, and you're not always going to kids, and you're not always going to kids, and you're not always going to agree with them. Your kids are going to agree with them. Your kids are going to agree with them. Your kids are going to slip up. Research is going to prove one slip up. Research is going to prove one slip up. Research is going to prove one thing, [music] and then studies are thing, [music] and then studies are thing, [music] and then studies are going to prove the opposite. Progress going to prove the opposite. Progress going to prove the opposite. Progress will be way too fast and also [music] will be way too fast and also [music] will be way too fast and also [music] painfully slow. Maybe you're already painfully slow. Maybe you're already painfully slow. Maybe you're already feeling the pressure to get on board or feeling the pressure to get on board or feeling the pressure to get on board or get left behind. So, let [music] me say, get left behind. So, let [music] me say, get left behind. So, let [music] me say, it is okay to take a minute to pause and it is okay to take a minute to pause and it is okay to take a minute to pause and think. LinkedIn tells [music] us that so think. LinkedIn tells [music] us that so think. LinkedIn tells [music] us that so far, despite the headlines, AI adoption far, despite the headlines, AI adoption far, despite the headlines, AI adoption is low [music] and concentrated in a few is low [music] and concentrated in a few is low [music] and concentrated in a few functions. So, there is time to think functions. So, there is time to think functions. So, there is time to think about AI, about how you want [music] about AI, about how you want [music] about AI, about how you want [music] your kids to interact with it, and about your kids to interact with it, and about your kids to interact with it, and about how you can use it well yourself.

how you can use it well yourself. how you can use it well yourself. Because we know the best way to [music] Because we know the best way to [music] Because we know the best way to [music] lead our children is almost always by lead our children is almost always by lead our children is almost always by example. So, as you're planning a example. So, as you're planning a example. So, as you're planning a birthday party, preparing for vacation, birthday party, preparing for vacation, birthday party, preparing for vacation, [music] or organizing your calendar, if [music] or organizing your calendar, if [music] or organizing your calendar, if AI is not helpful, no problem. But if it AI is not helpful, no problem. But if it AI is not helpful, no problem. But if it can be a good and useful tool for you, can be a good and useful tool for you, can be a good and useful tool for you, use it well to the glory of God, to use it well to the glory of God, to use it well to the glory of God, to [music] advance his kingdom. [music] advance his kingdom. [music] advance his kingdom. And then, in time, And then, in time, And then, in time, teach your kids to do that, too. Thank [music] you for listening to this Thank [music] you for listening to this episode of Recorded, which is part of episode of Recorded, which is part of episode of Recorded, which is part of the Gospel Coalition's podcast [music] the Gospel Coalition's podcast [music] the Gospel Coalition's podcast [music] network. This episode was written by me, network. This episode was written by me, network. This episode was written by me, Sarah Zylstra, and edited by Colin Sarah Zylstra, and edited by Colin Sarah Zylstra, and edited by Colin Hansen, Megan Hill, and Cassie Ackerman. Hansen, Megan Hill, and Cassie Ackerman. Hansen, Megan Hill, and Cassie Ackerman. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Our audio editor was Scott Kerrow, and >> Our audio editor was Scott Kerrow, and >> Our audio editor was Scott Kerrow, and our producer was Newbridge Studios. our producer was Newbridge Studios. our producer was Newbridge Studios. [music] Recorded is made possible by [music] Recorded is made possible by [music] Recorded is made possible by generous donations from listeners like generous donations from listeners like generous donations from listeners like you. If you would like to join me in you. If you would like to join me in you. If you would like to join me in this work, I would [music] love for you this work, I would [music] love for you this work, I would [music] love for you to do so at tgc.org/donate.