Zohran Mamdani Knows He Has Political Capital. He Intends to Spend It. | The Interview

Sometimes politics feels like it's a Sometimes politics feels like it's a hobby only some can afford and I don't hobby only some can afford and I don't hobby only some can afford and I don't want it to be that way. I'm Lulu Garcia Navaro and today I'm I'm Lulu Garcia Navaro and today I'm interviewing New York City Mayor Zoran interviewing New York City Mayor Zoran interviewing New York City Mayor Zoran Mdani. Mdani. Mdani. In his first 6 months in office, Mayor In his first 6 months in office, Mayor In his first 6 months in office, Mayor Mani's been riding high and has started Mani's been riding high and has started Mani's been riding high and has started delivering on the issue that defined his delivering on the issue that defined his delivering on the issue that defined his campaign, affordability. He's frozen the campaign, affordability. He's frozen the campaign, affordability. He's frozen the rent on nearly a million apartments. rent on nearly a million apartments. rent on nearly a million apartments. We're so excited that the rent We're so excited that the rent We're so excited that the rent guidelines board decided to freeze the guidelines board decided to freeze the guidelines board decided to freeze the rent for the first time in New York City rent for the first time in New York City rent for the first time in New York City history for 2 years. history for 2 years. history for 2 years. >> And he's made progress on universal >> And he's made progress on universal >> And he's made progress on universal child care. child care. child care. >> Going to make childcare free for 2,000 >> Going to make childcare free for 2,000 >> Going to make childcare free for 2,000 kids this fall, 12,000 kids next fall, kids this fall, 12,000 kids next fall, kids this fall, 12,000 kids next fall, every single 2-year-old by the end of every single 2-year-old by the end of every single 2-year-old by the end of four years. four years. four years. >> What's more, he's recently endorsed a >> What's more, he's recently endorsed a >> What's more, he's recently endorsed a slate of progressive congressional slate of progressive congressional slate of progressive congressional candidates who swept their New York candidates who swept their New York candidates who swept their New York primaries to the dismay of the primaries to the dismay of the primaries to the dismay of the Democratic political establishment. You Democratic political establishment. You Democratic political establishment. You can't fulfill an affordability agenda can't fulfill an affordability agenda can't fulfill an affordability agenda for the most expensive city in the for the most expensive city in the for the most expensive city in the country without partners at every level country without partners at every level country without partners at every level of government.

of government. of government. >> Of course, Manny has many, many critics. >> Of course, Manny has many, many critics. >> Of course, Manny has many, many critics. >> Mammi is telling everybody he's going to >> Mammi is telling everybody he's going to >> Mammi is telling everybody he's going to give everything away for free. give everything away for free. give everything away for free. >> He's a psychopath. >> He's a psychopath. >> He's a psychopath. >> He's a communist, too, by the way. He >> He's a communist, too, by the way. He >> He's a communist, too, by the way. He kind of reminds me of a young Fidel. kind of reminds me of a young Fidel. kind of reminds me of a young Fidel. How's it going? How's it going? How's it going? >> Good. Hi. >> Good. Hi. >> Good. Hi. >> How are you? >> How are you? >> How are you? >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> But he's now undeniably a national >> But he's now undeniably a national >> But he's now undeniably a national political force. So, just how does he political force. So, just how does he political force. So, just how does he plan on using all this power? Here's my plan on using all this power? Here's my plan on using all this power? Here's my conversation with New York City Mayor conversation with New York City Mayor conversation with New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani. Zoran Mamdani. Zoran Mamdani. Welcome uh to the interview. Thank you Welcome uh to the interview. Thank you Welcome uh to the interview. Thank you so much for being here. I really so much for being here. I really so much for being here. I really appreciate you coming here. appreciate you coming here. appreciate you coming here. >> Thank you so much for having me >> Thank you so much for having me >> Thank you so much for having me >> uh on a day of the World Cup. Um I don't >> uh on a day of the World Cup. Um I don't >> uh on a day of the World Cup. Um I don't know if you heard uh some of my know if you heard uh some of my know if you heard uh some of my colleagues cheering in in colleagues cheering in in colleagues cheering in in >> Yes. I think there's about 20 minutes >> Yes. I think there's about 20 minutes >> Yes. I think there's about 20 minutes left in the France Spain game. left in the France Spain game. left in the France Spain game. >> Yeah. Yeah. So sorry that we're >> Yeah. Yeah. So sorry that we're >> Yeah. Yeah. So sorry that we're interrupting perhaps your viewing of interrupting perhaps your viewing of interrupting perhaps your viewing of this, but not at all. But yeah, um this, but not at all. But yeah, um this, but not at all. But yeah, um appreciate the time. I was going um to appreciate the time. I was going um to appreciate the time. I was going um to do this whole interview without do this whole interview without do this whole interview without mentioning uh President Trump, but as mentioning uh President Trump, but as mentioning uh President Trump, but as often happens, he tends to enter the often happens, he tends to enter the often happens, he tends to enter the chat regardless of um one's intentions.

chat regardless of um one's intentions. chat regardless of um one's intentions. And President Trump recently shared a And President Trump recently shared a And President Trump recently shared a vid a video by Michael Savage, um who's vid a video by Michael Savage, um who's vid a video by Michael Savage, um who's a proTrump pundit, calling for you to be a proTrump pundit, calling for you to be a proTrump pundit, calling for you to be criminalized and deported. criminalized and deported. criminalized and deported. And my question is, what does it mean And my question is, what does it mean And my question is, what does it mean when the president of the United States when the president of the United States when the president of the United States shares a sentiment like that? And and shares a sentiment like that? And and shares a sentiment like that? And and how do you deal with it? I I think that how do you deal with it? I I think that how do you deal with it? I I think that it's part of it's part of it's part of the corrosion of political and public the corrosion of political and public the corrosion of political and public life that this is frankly something that life that this is frankly something that life that this is frankly something that I don't even blink at anymore because I don't even blink at anymore because I don't even blink at anymore because it's become it's become it's become >> in many ways a norm of the last few >> in many ways a norm of the last few >> in many ways a norm of the last few years. years. years. And I also think that Americans are And I also think that Americans are And I also think that Americans are hungry for a very different kind of hungry for a very different kind of hungry for a very different kind of politics. One where disagreement is a politics. One where disagreement is a politics. One where disagreement is a part of it. Deportation and demonization part of it. Deportation and demonization part of it. Deportation and demonization is not. is not. is not. >> Does it >> Does it >> Does it worry you that it is normal um and that worry you that it is normal um and that worry you that it is normal um and that by not reacting it normalizes it more? by not reacting it normalizes it more? by not reacting it normalizes it more? Or do you worry that he's trying to go Or do you worry that he's trying to go Or do you worry that he's trying to go you into reacting? I don't want to be you into reacting? I don't want to be you into reacting? I don't want to be part of the sort of cycle of that. I'm part of the sort of cycle of that. I'm part of the sort of cycle of that. I'm just wondering how you calculate it.

just wondering how you calculate it. just wondering how you calculate it. I I think that for all of the I I think that for all of the I I think that for all of the fear-mongering around democratic fear-mongering around democratic fear-mongering around democratic socialism, the best response is to show socialism, the best response is to show socialism, the best response is to show what it actually means. And what we've what it actually means. And what we've what it actually means. And what we've shown over the last 6 months is exactly shown over the last 6 months is exactly shown over the last 6 months is exactly that. We've shown that a city with a that. We've shown that a city with a that. We've shown that a city with a democratic socialist vision is one that democratic socialist vision is one that democratic socialist vision is one that paves more than 170,000 potholes, 50,000 paves more than 170,000 potholes, 50,000 paves more than 170,000 potholes, 50,000 more than the prior administration by more than the prior administration by more than the prior administration by this point. It's a city that has this point. It's a city that has this point. It's a city that has delivered the lowest recorded number of delivered the lowest recorded number of delivered the lowest recorded number of shootings and shooting victims and shootings and shooting victims and shootings and shooting victims and murders in New York City's history. It murders in New York City's history. It murders in New York City's history. It is a city that is on a pathway to is a city that is on a pathway to is a city that is on a pathway to universal child care, saving thousands universal child care, saving thousands universal child care, saving thousands of parents more than $20,000 a year. And of parents more than $20,000 a year. And of parents more than $20,000 a year. And it's a city that is doing all of these it's a city that is doing all of these it's a city that is doing all of these things while fighting for the people who things while fighting for the people who things while fighting for the people who are often left behind. Workers who we've are often left behind. Workers who we've are often left behind. Workers who we've secured more than $10 million for secured more than $10 million for secured more than $10 million for tenants, more than $64 million. These tenants, more than $64 million. These tenants, more than $64 million. These are all indicators of what is so scary are all indicators of what is so scary are all indicators of what is so scary to a right-wing that has built its to a right-wing that has built its to a right-wing that has built its entire power and framework on the idea entire power and framework on the idea entire power and framework on the idea of debating who should be left behind.

of debating who should be left behind. of debating who should be left behind. >> One last question on this. When these >> One last question on this. When these >> One last question on this. When these kinds of attacks against you, and I can kinds of attacks against you, and I can kinds of attacks against you, and I can hear you deliberately not trying to hear you deliberately not trying to hear you deliberately not trying to personalize it, not trying to respond to personalize it, not trying to respond to personalize it, not trying to respond to it, but does it impact you and your it, but does it impact you and your it, but does it impact you and your security for example? I mean, we've seen security for example? I mean, we've seen security for example? I mean, we've seen other people who get targeted like this other people who get targeted like this other people who get targeted like this verbally. Um, it has an actual impact. verbally. Um, it has an actual impact. verbally. Um, it has an actual impact. There's more threats. There's more um There's more threats. There's more um There's more threats. There's more um focus. So, focus. So, focus. So, >> there there are threats, the kinds of >> there there are threats, the kinds of >> there there are threats, the kinds of which that sadly became familiar over which that sadly became familiar over which that sadly became familiar over the course of the campaign. I am lucky the course of the campaign. I am lucky the course of the campaign. I am lucky in that I'm protected by the best of the in that I'm protected by the best of the in that I'm protected by the best of the best in in our NYPD. best in in our NYPD. best in in our NYPD. And I'm also concerned because if these And I'm also concerned because if these And I'm also concerned because if these threats have changed my life and have threats have changed my life and have threats have changed my life and have changed the lives of those that I love, changed the lives of those that I love, changed the lives of those that I love, I often wonder about the threats to I often wonder about the threats to I often wonder about the threats to those whose names we don't even know. those whose names we don't even know. those whose names we don't even know. Because what is so terrifying about the Because what is so terrifying about the Because what is so terrifying about the normalization of political violence is normalization of political violence is normalization of political violence is not even just those to whom it's not even just those to whom it's not even just those to whom it's directed towards, but what it makes directed towards, but what it makes directed towards, but what it makes acceptable towards any other in this acceptable towards any other in this acceptable towards any other in this city, in this country. And that is a city, in this country. And that is a city, in this country. And that is a real fear that I have as we try and show real fear that I have as we try and show real fear that I have as we try and show what a city can look like where everyone what a city can look like where everyone what a city can look like where everyone belongs. That there are those firmly belongs. That there are those firmly belongs. That there are those firmly invested in a a kind of division that is invested in a a kind of division that is invested in a a kind of division that is at odds with that.

at odds with that. at odds with that. >> Did you at some point have to make peace >> Did you at some point have to make peace >> Did you at some point have to make peace with the fact that you are a target? with the fact that you are a target? with the fact that you are a target? >> I don't know if you can make peace with >> I don't know if you can make peace with >> I don't know if you can make peace with it. I think it. I think it. I think you can come to expect it. You can come to rationalize expect it. You can come to rationalize it as if it is part of what it is that it as if it is part of what it is that it as if it is part of what it is that you do. And look, I grew up and I would you do. And look, I grew up and I would you do. And look, I grew up and I would hear politicians say things about their hear politicians say things about their hear politicians say things about their family, how they didn't sign up for it, family, how they didn't sign up for it, family, how they didn't sign up for it, this that and the other. And when you're this that and the other. And when you're this that and the other. And when you're on the outside and you're hearing that, on the outside and you're hearing that, on the outside and you're hearing that, it sounds at at a certain point to be it sounds at at a certain point to be it sounds at at a certain point to be quite cliche. And when you're living it, quite cliche. And when you're living it, quite cliche. And when you're living it, you realize the depth of that sentiment you realize the depth of that sentiment you realize the depth of that sentiment that that that we sign up for public life shouldn't we sign up for public life shouldn't we sign up for public life shouldn't mean that we sign up for threats or mean that we sign up for threats or mean that we sign up for threats or violence, but at least we made a choice. violence, but at least we made a choice. violence, but at least we made a choice. And then there are those that we love And then there are those that we love And then there are those that we love who did not make a choice other than to who did not make a choice other than to who did not make a choice other than to love us. And yet somehow those threats, love us. And yet somehow those threats, love us. And yet somehow those threats, that violence also becomes a part of that violence also becomes a part of that violence also becomes a part of their life. And their life. And their life. And it has seeped into the lives of many it has seeped into the lives of many it has seeped into the lives of many more people across the city, across the more people across the city, across the more people across the city, across the country. And you know, I grew up in New country. And you know, I grew up in New country. And you know, I grew up in New York City. To me, disagreeing is one of York City. To me, disagreeing is one of York City. To me, disagreeing is one of the most New York things you can do.

the most New York things you can do. the most New York things you can do. Sometimes you'll hear two people and it Sometimes you'll hear two people and it Sometimes you'll hear two people and it sounds like they're fighting, but that's sounds like they're fighting, but that's sounds like they're fighting, but that's just how they say I love you in New York just how they say I love you in New York just how they say I love you in New York City. Mhm. City. Mhm. City. Mhm. >> And so it's not to say that we shouldn't >> And so it's not to say that we shouldn't >> And so it's not to say that we shouldn't have that kind of disagreement or have that kind of disagreement or have that kind of disagreement or dissent or debate and even that it not dissent or debate and even that it not dissent or debate and even that it not be vehement, but what it has become be vehement, but what it has become be vehement, but what it has become instead. It it actually silences that instead. It it actually silences that instead. It it actually silences that debate out of fear. debate out of fear. debate out of fear. >> We're talking a few weeks after some >> We're talking a few weeks after some >> We're talking a few weeks after some pretty big political victories for you. pretty big political victories for you. pretty big political victories for you. Uh you went out on a limb and endorsed Uh you went out on a limb and endorsed Uh you went out on a limb and endorsed several Democratic Socialist candidates several Democratic Socialist candidates several Democratic Socialist candidates who then won their primaries. And after who then won their primaries. And after who then won their primaries. And after they won, you said you wanted to send a they won, you said you wanted to send a they won, you said you wanted to send a national message and that it sounded national message and that it sounded national message and that it sounded like you want to clearly be heard beyond like you want to clearly be heard beyond like you want to clearly be heard beyond New York City. Why? New York City. Why? New York City. Why? >> You know, we are in some ways distinct >> You know, we are in some ways distinct >> You know, we are in some ways distinct here in New York City. We are the here in New York City. We are the here in New York City. We are the wealthiest city in the wealthiest wealthiest city in the wealthiest wealthiest city in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. And country in the history of the world. And country in the history of the world. And I also know that the struggles of I also know that the struggles of I also know that the struggles of working people here in this city, a city working people here in this city, a city working people here in this city, a city where one in four are living in poverty, where one in four are living in poverty, where one in four are living in poverty, are not unique. I know that working are not unique. I know that working are not unique. I know that working people across this country are facing people across this country are facing people across this country are facing those same struggles. And for too long those same struggles. And for too long those same struggles. And for too long it has felt like our party, the it has felt like our party, the it has felt like our party, the Democratic Party, that the only answer Democratic Party, that the only answer Democratic Party, that the only answer we have is to say that we are not the we have is to say that we are not the we have is to say that we are not the Republican party. The only answer we Republican party. The only answer we Republican party. The only answer we have is a response to the cruelty of the have is a response to the cruelty of the have is a response to the cruelty of the federal administration. But we also have federal administration. But we also have federal administration. But we also have to have a vision of what comes after to have a vision of what comes after to have a vision of what comes after this administration. And I think that at this administration. And I think that at this administration. And I think that at the heart of that has to be a vision for the heart of that has to be a vision for the heart of that has to be a vision for that working person. And that's why I that working person. And that's why I that working person. And that's why I think it is so critical to speak about think it is so critical to speak about think it is so critical to speak about that not just here in New York City, but

that not just here in New York City, but that not just here in New York City, but frankly anywhere where those people are frankly anywhere where those people are frankly anywhere where those people are struggling. struggling. struggling. >> And you feel like because of your >> And you feel like because of your >> And you feel like because of your position in the party, um you are at position in the party, um you are at position in the party, um you are at this point one of the most visible this point one of the most visible this point one of the most visible people that you're the person to impart people that you're the person to impart people that you're the person to impart that. that. that. I think that message frankly is coming I think that message frankly is coming I think that message frankly is coming from New Yorkers themselves from New Yorkers themselves from New Yorkers themselves >> and we should listen to them when they >> and we should listen to them when they >> and we should listen to them when they vote for Dar Alisa, for Claire, for vote for Dar Alisa, for Claire, for vote for Dar Alisa, for Claire, for Brad, when they vote for all five of the Brad, when they vote for all five of the Brad, when they vote for all five of the state legislative candidates that I state legislative candidates that I state legislative candidates that I endorsed that won their races. So much endorsed that won their races. So much endorsed that won their races. So much of what has often been discussed as if of what has often been discussed as if of what has often been discussed as if it is an intellectual debate is in fact it is an intellectual debate is in fact it is an intellectual debate is in fact something that can change the material something that can change the material something that can change the material reality of working New Yorkers. M reality of working New Yorkers. M reality of working New Yorkers. M >> and I think that's what's been so >> and I think that's what's been so >> and I think that's what's been so incredible about being able to serve as incredible about being able to serve as incredible about being able to serve as the mayor of of the greatest city in the the mayor of of the greatest city in the the mayor of of the greatest city in the world is it's a chance to show that you world is it's a chance to show that you world is it's a chance to show that you can fight for the people that the right can fight for the people that the right can fight for the people that the right has left behind and you can do it by has left behind and you can do it by has left behind and you can do it by asking yourself what are the challenges asking yourself what are the challenges asking yourself what are the challenges they face and then asking your team how they face and then asking your team how they face and then asking your team how can we deliver on those things.

can we deliver on those things. can we deliver on those things. >> Do you see yourself as a Democrat or a >> Do you see yourself as a Democrat or a >> Do you see yourself as a Democrat or a Democratic socialist? Because you said Democratic socialist? Because you said Democratic socialist? Because you said our party and obviously you ran as a our party and obviously you ran as a our party and obviously you ran as a Democrat. Democrat. Democrat. >> I am both. I am I'm a Democrat and I'm a >> I am both. I am I'm a Democrat and I'm a >> I am both. I am I'm a Democrat and I'm a Democratic socialist. And I think that Democratic socialist. And I think that Democratic socialist. And I think that so much of what makes me proud to be a so much of what makes me proud to be a so much of what makes me proud to be a Democrat is looking at what our party Democrat is looking at what our party Democrat is looking at what our party used to stand for. And you think about used to stand for. And you think about used to stand for. And you think about the four freedoms, you think about FDR, the four freedoms, you think about FDR, the four freedoms, you think about FDR, you think about the New Deal. Those are you think about the New Deal. Those are you think about the New Deal. Those are at the core of of what our party's at the core of of what our party's at the core of of what our party's identity is. And yet it feels like to identity is. And yet it feels like to identity is. And yet it feels like to experience it, you have to read about experience it, you have to read about experience it, you have to read about it. You can't see it around you anymore. it. You can't see it around you anymore. it. You can't see it around you anymore. And that isn't something that I'm And that isn't something that I'm And that isn't something that I'm willing to accept. And I know that many willing to accept. And I know that many willing to accept. And I know that many feel similarly. feel similarly. feel similarly. >> I'm curious how you're planning to use >> I'm curious how you're planning to use >> I'm curious how you're planning to use your political capital. I mean, your political capital. I mean, your political capital. I mean, are you planning on getting involved in are you planning on getting involved in are you planning on getting involved in races outside of New York? races outside of New York? races outside of New York? >> Eventually. >> Eventually. >> Eventually. >> My focus right now is on New York City. >> My focus right now is on New York City. >> My focus right now is on New York City. >> But eventually, >> But eventually, >> But eventually, >> I would say that for now, this this is >> I would say that for now, this this is >> I would say that for now, this this is where I'm looking because I think that where I'm looking because I think that where I'm looking because I think that >> you seen Have you ever seen New York? >> you seen Have you ever seen New York? >> you seen Have you ever seen New York? >> Yeah. But you keep on answering this >> Yeah. But you keep on answering this >> Yeah. But you keep on answering this question in this particular way and I question in this particular way and I question in this particular way and I understand why. But it, you know, you understand why. But it, you know, you understand why. But it, you know, you have some momentum and if you're wanting have some momentum and if you're wanting have some momentum and if you're wanting to sort of send this message beyond New to sort of send this message beyond New to sort of send this message beyond New York, York, York, >> the question obviously is how and when.

>> the question obviously is how and when. >> the question obviously is how and when. >> I am still seeing the world like that >> I am still seeing the world like that >> I am still seeing the world like that cover of the New Yorker where it's New cover of the New Yorker where it's New cover of the New Yorker where it's New York, it's New Jersey, and then it's the York, it's New Jersey, and then it's the York, it's New Jersey, and then it's the rest of the world. Um, rest of the world. Um, rest of the world. Um, I think that my focus is on on doing the I think that my focus is on on doing the I think that my focus is on on doing the work here, but I also think that New work here, but I also think that New work here, but I also think that New Yorkers have sent a message and we've Yorkers have sent a message and we've Yorkers have sent a message and we've also seen that it's not specific in that also seen that it's not specific in that also seen that it's not specific in that we've seen these kinds of victories in we've seen these kinds of victories in we've seen these kinds of victories in New Jersey, in Colorado, in California. New Jersey, in Colorado, in California. New Jersey, in Colorado, in California. Uh, when it comes to my endorsements, I Uh, when it comes to my endorsements, I Uh, when it comes to my endorsements, I was proud to make those eight was proud to make those eight was proud to make those eight endorsements and and I'm excited to see endorsements and and I'm excited to see endorsements and and I'm excited to see what they do next. what they do next. what they do next. >> After those endorsements, you said 2028 >> After those endorsements, you said 2028 >> After those endorsements, you said 2028 um begins now. I mean, what role would um begins now. I mean, what role would um begins now. I mean, what role would you like to play in 2028? I think to you like to play in 2028? I think to you like to play in 2028? I think to continue to be honest about the continue to be honest about the continue to be honest about the struggles that New Yorkers are facing struggles that New Yorkers are facing struggles that New Yorkers are facing and the importance of a vision that and the importance of a vision that and the importance of a vision that responds to them. And responds to them. And responds to them. And you know, sometimes you know, sometimes you know, sometimes politics feels like it's a hobby only politics feels like it's a hobby only politics feels like it's a hobby only some can afford and I don't want it to some can afford and I don't want it to some can afford and I don't want it to be that way. Politics determines what be that way. Politics determines what be that way. Politics determines what people can afford and we need to see a people can afford and we need to see a people can afford and we need to see a recognition of that and an actual recognition of that and an actual recognition of that and an actual platform of how we will deliver that platform of how we will deliver that platform of how we will deliver that affordability. We in fact have to be affordability. We in fact have to be affordability. We in fact have to be able to say what are you going to do able to say what are you going to do able to say what are you going to do about housing? What are you going to do about housing? What are you going to do about housing? What are you going to do about childare? What are you going to do about childare? What are you going to do about childare? What are you going to do about the cost of groceries? I think about the cost of groceries? I think about the cost of groceries? I think what's so exciting is that cities have what's so exciting is that cities have what's so exciting is that cities have often been discussed as laboratories of often been discussed as laboratories of often been discussed as laboratories of democracy that we can actually show that democracy that we can actually show that democracy that we can actually show that this isn't a fantasy. I think there's this isn't a fantasy. I think there's this isn't a fantasy. I think there's cheers going on. I'm not sure what's cheers going on. I'm not sure what's cheers going on. I'm not sure what's happened, but we'll find out later.

happened, but we'll find out later. happened, but we'll find out later. >> We'll find out. I think Spain probably >> We'll find out. I think Spain probably >> We'll find out. I think Spain probably won. won. won. >> My goodness. >> My goodness. >> My goodness. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, who are you rooting for? who are you rooting for? who are you rooting for? >> I was thankfully a little unengaged in >> I was thankfully a little unengaged in >> I was thankfully a little unengaged in today's game. Okay. today's game. Okay. today's game. Okay. >> A lot of the teams I rooted for, they >> A lot of the teams I rooted for, they >> A lot of the teams I rooted for, they tend to lose now, but now is the time tend to lose now, but now is the time tend to lose now, but now is the time for favorites. I I want to stay on this for favorites. I I want to stay on this for favorites. I I want to stay on this just a little bit longer because one of just a little bit longer because one of just a little bit longer because one of the people who is rumored to be the people who is rumored to be the people who is rumored to be considering a run for president is considering a run for president is considering a run for president is obviously Alexandria Cascortez and obviously Alexandria Cascortez and obviously Alexandria Cascortez and there's been reporting that you there's been reporting that you there's been reporting that you coordinated with AOC in your New York coordinated with AOC in your New York coordinated with AOC in your New York endorsements. Do you consider that to be endorsements. Do you consider that to be endorsements. Do you consider that to be a partnership? a partnership? a partnership? >> Absolutely. I consider it to be a >> Absolutely. I consider it to be a >> Absolutely. I consider it to be a partnership and I also consider her to partnership and I also consider her to partnership and I also consider her to be an inspiration. I had the privilege be an inspiration. I had the privilege be an inspiration. I had the privilege of having been represented by her in of having been represented by her in of having been represented by her in Congress. Before I was the mayor, I was Congress. Before I was the mayor, I was Congress. Before I was the mayor, I was an assembly member uh in an overlapping an assembly member uh in an overlapping an assembly member uh in an overlapping part of her congressional district in part of her congressional district in part of her congressional district in Atoria in Long Island City. And I think Atoria in Long Island City. And I think Atoria in Long Island City. And I think she has shown what it looks like to she has shown what it looks like to she has shown what it looks like to fight for working people. fight for working people. fight for working people. >> Do you consider it an alliance sort of >> Do you consider it an alliance sort of >> Do you consider it an alliance sort of going forward that she would endorse you going forward that she would endorse you going forward that she would endorse you know Abdul Alad and you know Michigan know Abdul Alad and you know Michigan know Abdul Alad and you know Michigan and elsewhere and and you endorse here and elsewhere and and you endorse here and elsewhere and and you endorse here in New York? I think that she she makes in New York? I think that she she makes in New York? I think that she she makes her own decisions and I think they're her own decisions and I think they're her own decisions and I think they're they're decisions that many of us look they're decisions that many of us look they're decisions that many of us look to and are inspired by to and are inspired by to and are inspired by >> and and I'm excited to continue to work >> and and I'm excited to continue to work >> and and I'm excited to continue to work together because for a long time together because for a long time together because for a long time politics has been understood as if it is politics has been understood as if it is politics has been understood as if it is about individuals and what's so exciting about individuals and what's so exciting about individuals and what's so exciting is that at the heart of that partnership is that at the heart of that partnership is that at the heart of that partnership is a belief in the collective and even is a belief in the collective and even is a belief in the collective and even if you think about the greatest mayor I if you think about the greatest mayor I if you think about the greatest mayor I would argue in New York City's history

he could not have achieved what he did he could not have achieved what he did without the partnership of FDR. without the partnership of FDR. without the partnership of FDR. >> And that dream of of having partners is >> And that dream of of having partners is >> And that dream of of having partners is also what drove me to make the decision also what drove me to make the decision also what drove me to make the decision to endorse those three congressional to endorse those three congressional to endorse those three congressional candidates because you can't fulfill an candidates because you can't fulfill an candidates because you can't fulfill an affordability agenda for the most affordability agenda for the most affordability agenda for the most expensive city in the country without expensive city in the country without expensive city in the country without partners at every level of government. partners at every level of government. partners at every level of government. >> So, it's interesting that you mentioned >> So, it's interesting that you mentioned >> So, it's interesting that you mentioned that partnership with FDR. Would you that partnership with FDR. Would you that partnership with FDR. Would you endorse AOC for president if she runs? endorse AOC for president if she runs? endorse AOC for president if she runs? Because that obviously would be a very Because that obviously would be a very Because that obviously would be a very clear partnership. clear partnership. clear partnership. >> I'm excited to see what decision she >> I'm excited to see what decision she >> I'm excited to see what decision she makes. Uh, in terms of endorsements, the makes. Uh, in terms of endorsements, the makes. Uh, in terms of endorsements, the ones that I'm focused on are the ones ones that I'm focused on are the ones ones that I'm focused on are the ones that I've just made. that I've just made. that I've just made. >> I mean, there's been some recent >> I mean, there's been some recent >> I mean, there's been some recent disagreement in the DSA, um, the disagreement in the DSA, um, the disagreement in the DSA, um, the Democratic Socialist of America, your Democratic Socialist of America, your Democratic Socialist of America, your party. party. party. >> What is a socialist without >> What is a socialist without >> What is a socialist without disagreement? disagreement? disagreement? >> Yeah. Surrounding her endorsement. Um, >> Yeah. Surrounding her endorsement. Um, >> Yeah. Surrounding her endorsement. Um, do you think you would endorse her do you think you would endorse her do you think you would endorse her independently of your party? independently of your party? independently of your party? >> I Well, first I would say DSA is an >> I Well, first I would say DSA is an >> I Well, first I would say DSA is an organization. Um, and my party is the organization. Um, and my party is the organization. Um, and my party is the Democratic Party. Okay. Democratic Party. Okay. Democratic Party. Okay. >> And my my organization is is DSA. >> And my my organization is is DSA. >> And my my organization is is DSA. >> Okay. And I would say that I'm I'm I'm >> Okay. And I would say that I'm I'm I'm >> Okay. And I would say that I'm I'm I'm still very much focused in this year, still very much focused in this year, still very much focused in this year, but I do believe that it but I do believe that it but I do believe that it we all have to take a step back and we all have to take a step back and we all have to take a step back and appreciate what it is that appreciate what it is that appreciate what it is that she means to so many across this she means to so many across this she means to so many across this country. And the reason for it is the country. And the reason for it is the country. And the reason for it is the work that she has done.

work that she has done. work that she has done. >> I think she'd make a good president. >> I think she'd make a good president. >> I think she'd make a good president. >> I think she would make a good anything. >> I think she would make a good anything. >> I think she would make a good anything. I think she's a great congresswoman. And I think she's a great congresswoman. And I think she's a great congresswoman. And I think no matter what she decides to I think no matter what she decides to I think no matter what she decides to do, she's going to bring those same do, she's going to bring those same do, she's going to bring those same qualities to whatever that work is. qualities to whatever that work is. qualities to whatever that work is. >> So, we've talked about your endorsements >> So, we've talked about your endorsements >> So, we've talked about your endorsements and I would like to talk in particular and I would like to talk in particular and I would like to talk in particular about Dar Lisa Aila Chevier um who ran about Dar Lisa Aila Chevier um who ran about Dar Lisa Aila Chevier um who ran successfully against Adriano Espe at the successfully against Adriano Espe at the successfully against Adriano Espe at the head of the Hispanic Caucus. head of the Hispanic Caucus. head of the Hispanic Caucus. You know, he's a former undocumented You know, he's a former undocumented You know, he's a former undocumented immigrant. He has strong progressive immigrant. He has strong progressive immigrant. He has strong progressive credentials, dismantle ICE, supportive credentials, dismantle ICE, supportive credentials, dismantle ICE, supportive of Medicare for all. of Medicare for all. of Medicare for all. Did you privately promise him that you Did you privately promise him that you Did you privately promise him that you were going to support his reelection were going to support his reelection were going to support his reelection campaign during your campaign for mayor? campaign during your campaign for mayor? campaign during your campaign for mayor? >> I told him that I appreciated his >> I told him that I appreciated his >> I told him that I appreciated his support when he endorsed me in the support when he endorsed me in the support when he endorsed me in the general election after I won the general election after I won the general election after I won the Democratic primary. And the promise that Democratic primary. And the promise that Democratic primary. And the promise that I made to New Yorkers was to use any I made to New Yorkers was to use any I made to New Yorkers was to use any tool that I had to further that tool that I had to further that tool that I had to further that affordability agenda. And in Daria Lisa, affordability agenda. And in Daria Lisa, affordability agenda. And in Daria Lisa, I see a congressional candidate, soon to I see a congressional candidate, soon to I see a congressional candidate, soon to be a congresswoman, who will be someone be a congresswoman, who will be someone be a congresswoman, who will be someone who really has built a campaign on a who really has built a campaign on a who really has built a campaign on a vision of babies, not bombs. And I think vision of babies, not bombs. And I think vision of babies, not bombs. And I think that that speaks to what it means to that that speaks to what it means to that that speaks to what it means to invest in affordability and also reckon invest in affordability and also reckon invest in affordability and also reckon with the bankruptcy that has typified a with the bankruptcy that has typified a with the bankruptcy that has typified a lot of our politics, especially when it lot of our politics, especially when it lot of our politics, especially when it comes to our foreign policy. And you comes to our foreign policy. And you comes to our foreign policy. And you were asking me earlier about political were asking me earlier about political were asking me earlier about political capital. To me, I think the point of capital. To me, I think the point of capital. To me, I think the point of political capital is to spend it to political capital is to spend it to political capital is to spend it to deliver material change. And these are deliver material change. And these are deliver material change. And these are not intellectual arguments. These are

not intellectual arguments. These are not intellectual arguments. These are the ones that will determine whether or the ones that will determine whether or the ones that will determine whether or not these districts look different in not these districts look different in not these districts look different in the years to come. When it comes to Dar the years to come. When it comes to Dar the years to come. When it comes to Dar Alisa's district, this is one of the Alisa's district, this is one of the Alisa's district, this is one of the poorest congressional districts in the poorest congressional districts in the poorest congressional districts in the United States of America. And as I United States of America. And as I United States of America. And as I walked that district with her, we were walked that district with her, we were walked that district with her, we were discussing the amount of money that our discussing the amount of money that our discussing the amount of money that our federal government sends in the billions federal government sends in the billions federal government sends in the billions of dollars to the Israeli military. And of dollars to the Israeli military. And of dollars to the Israeli military. And as we were doing so, a man came out of as we were doing so, a man came out of as we were doing so, a man came out of out of a bodega with his hands full with out of a bodega with his hands full with out of a bodega with his hands full with two packages of Huggies. And you see two packages of Huggies. And you see two packages of Huggies. And you see what the priorities are of people living what the priorities are of people living what the priorities are of people living in the district. And yet you see what in the district. And yet you see what in the district. And yet you see what the priorities are of federal policy the priorities are of federal policy the priorities are of federal policy that represents the district. And you that represents the district. And you that represents the district. And you see this chasm. And the more that you see this chasm. And the more that you see this chasm. And the more that you tolerate that kind of a chasm, the more tolerate that kind of a chasm, the more tolerate that kind of a chasm, the more that you tell people that politics is that you tell people that politics is that you tell people that politics is something that they shouldn't deem as if something that they shouldn't deem as if something that they shouldn't deem as if relevant to their life, something to relevant to their life, something to relevant to their life, something to tune out as opposed to something to be a tune out as opposed to something to be a tune out as opposed to something to be a part of. I mean, it's interesting that part of. I mean, it's interesting that part of. I mean, it's interesting that you mention Israel because is the reason you mention Israel because is the reason you mention Israel because is the reason you didn't endorse Espayad, his you didn't endorse Espayad, his you didn't endorse Espayad, his relationship with Apac, the pro-Israel relationship with Apac, the pro-Israel relationship with Apac, the pro-Israel lobby, his longtime support of Israel, lobby, his longtime support of Israel, lobby, his longtime support of Israel, was that like sort of the seinal thing was that like sort of the seinal thing was that like sort of the seinal thing that for you was a differentiator? that for you was a differentiator?

that for you was a differentiator? >> I think these are all important factors. >> I think these are all important factors. >> I think these are all important factors. I think the need for moral clarity in in I think the need for moral clarity in in I think the need for moral clarity in in our politics, to quote Congresswoman our politics, to quote Congresswoman our politics, to quote Congresswoman Okasiocortez, Okasiocortez, Okasiocortez, is something that speaks to a wide is something that speaks to a wide is something that speaks to a wide variety of policies and also applies to variety of policies and also applies to variety of policies and also applies to our foreign policy when it comes to the our foreign policy when it comes to the our foreign policy when it comes to the funding of the Israeli military. funding of the Israeli military. funding of the Israeli military. >> And you saw in the final weeks of that >> And you saw in the final weeks of that >> And you saw in the final weeks of that race, Apac spending a significant amount race, Apac spending a significant amount race, Apac spending a significant amount of money to try and stop Dar Alisa. And of money to try and stop Dar Alisa. And of money to try and stop Dar Alisa. And what you see when you speak to the what you see when you speak to the what you see when you speak to the constituents of that district is a very constituents of that district is a very constituents of that district is a very different hope and vision for the place different hope and vision for the place different hope and vision for the place they call home and also the country that they call home and also the country that they call home and also the country that they've helped to build. And it's hard they've helped to build. And it's hard they've helped to build. And it's hard to explain to a New Yorker why their to explain to a New Yorker why their to explain to a New Yorker why their needs are not even being discussed. And needs are not even being discussed. And needs are not even being discussed. And yet we have billions of dollars yet we have billions of dollars yet we have billions of dollars to kill civilians halfway across the to kill civilians halfway across the to kill civilians halfway across the world. I mean earlier we were talking world. I mean earlier we were talking world. I mean earlier we were talking about the World Cup and you know we'll about the World Cup and you know we'll about the World Cup and you know we'll be watching the games here and then be watching the games here and then be watching the games here and then you'll look to the news and you'll find you'll look to the news and you'll find you'll look to the news and you'll find that even someone who had gone to Gaza that even someone who had gone to Gaza that even someone who had gone to Gaza on a relief mission to set up watch on a relief mission to set up watch on a relief mission to set up watch parties was then killed by the Israeli parties was then killed by the Israeli parties was then killed by the Israeli military. There is no military. There is no military. There is no respit from a genocide no matter even in respit from a genocide no matter even in respit from a genocide no matter even in a moment of joy for the entire world.

a moment of joy for the entire world. a moment of joy for the entire world. I want to understand your point of view I want to understand your point of view I want to understand your point of view on what political weight you you give on what political weight you you give on what political weight you you give the Israeli issue because you are very the Israeli issue because you are very the Israeli issue because you are very clear about where you stand, but I'm clear about where you stand, but I'm clear about where you stand, but I'm wondering how you apply it to sort of wondering how you apply it to sort of wondering how you apply it to sort of how you look at other how you look at other how you look at other >> political actors. Um the left-wing >> political actors. Um the left-wing >> political actors. Um the left-wing streamer Hassan [ __ ] recently said, and streamer Hassan [ __ ] recently said, and streamer Hassan [ __ ] recently said, and I'm quoting here, "Someone who will not I'm quoting here, "Someone who will not I'm quoting here, "Someone who will not say the truth about Israel's genocide say the truth about Israel's genocide say the truth about Israel's genocide will not stand with you and fight for will not stand with you and fight for will not stand with you and fight for you for your healthcare, for your you for your healthcare, for your you for your healthcare, for your housing. It's that simple." Do you agree housing. It's that simple." Do you agree housing. It's that simple." Do you agree with that statement? I think with that statement? I think with that statement? I think what we have seen from New Yorkers, what what we have seen from New Yorkers, what what we have seen from New Yorkers, what we have seen from Americans when we talk we have seen from Americans when we talk we have seen from Americans when we talk about this hunger for a new kind of about this hunger for a new kind of about this hunger for a new kind of politics, it's a hunger to move beyond politics, it's a hunger to move beyond politics, it's a hunger to move beyond the bankruptcy that characterizes a lot the bankruptcy that characterizes a lot the bankruptcy that characterizes a lot of politics today. And it is hard to of politics today. And it is hard to of politics today. And it is hard to find a more bankrupt find a more bankrupt find a more bankrupt policy approach than what our country policy approach than what our country policy approach than what our country has done to Gaza and to Palestine and has done to Gaza and to Palestine and has done to Gaza and to Palestine and how it hasn't been specific to any one how it hasn't been specific to any one how it hasn't been specific to any one party. It's been again and again an party. It's been again and again an party. It's been again and again an insistence to tell New Yorkers and to insistence to tell New Yorkers and to insistence to tell New Yorkers and to tell Americans that what they are seeing tell Americans that what they are seeing tell Americans that what they are seeing is not something that they should in is not something that they should in is not something that they should in fact either be concerned by or believe fact either be concerned by or believe fact either be concerned by or believe in. And in. And in. And when you talk about the rupture in trust when you talk about the rupture in trust when you talk about the rupture in trust that comes from that, that comes from that, that comes from that, >> it is hard to then turn to another issue >> it is hard to then turn to another issue >> it is hard to then turn to another issue and say, "Believe me here."

and say, "Believe me here." and say, "Believe me here." >> And what I've found time and again is >> And what I've found time and again is >> And what I've found time and again is that that trust, you have to be able to that that trust, you have to be able to that that trust, you have to be able to maintain it. It's not to say that you maintain it. It's not to say that you maintain it. It's not to say that you have to agree on everything, but there have to agree on everything, but there have to agree on everything, but there has to be an honesty. And has to be an honesty. And has to be an honesty. And too often you'll find that there are far too often you'll find that there are far too often you'll find that there are far more Congress people who will privately more Congress people who will privately more Congress people who will privately tell you that something is a genocide tell you that something is a genocide tell you that something is a genocide than publicly announce it to be so. And than publicly announce it to be so. And than publicly announce it to be so. And so long as there's an understanding of a so long as there's an understanding of a so long as there's an understanding of a difference in what people believe and difference in what people believe and difference in what people believe and what they're willing to say, there will what they're willing to say, there will what they're willing to say, there will be a skepticism and frankly a despair be a skepticism and frankly a despair be a skepticism and frankly a despair amongst those considering whether or not amongst those considering whether or not amongst those considering whether or not to engage themselves in politics. So to engage themselves in politics. So to engage themselves in politics. So should the litmus test for a politician should the litmus test for a politician should the litmus test for a politician who wants to be part of your coalition who wants to be part of your coalition who wants to be part of your coalition be their views on the Gaza war and their be their views on the Gaza war and their be their views on the Gaza war and their commitment to calling it a genocide? commitment to calling it a genocide? commitment to calling it a genocide? >> I think it's an important part. I I >> I think it's an important part. I I >> I think it's an important part. I I wouldn't say that there's a specific wouldn't say that there's a specific wouldn't say that there's a specific litmus test as to litmus test as to litmus test as to creating a cookie cutter of a person creating a cookie cutter of a person creating a cookie cutter of a person that I would endorse in any one which that I would endorse in any one which that I would endorse in any one which seat. What I would say is that you have seat. What I would say is that you have seat. What I would say is that you have to have a clear vision of being able to to have a clear vision of being able to to have a clear vision of being able to describe things as they are and being describe things as they are and being describe things as they are and being able to fight for that which working able to fight for that which working able to fight for that which working people have been denied.

people have been denied. people have been denied. >> But can it include those who support >> But can it include those who support >> But can it include those who support Israel and support America's support of Israel and support America's support of Israel and support America's support of Israel? Israel? Israel? >> I think when you asked me earlier of >> I think when you asked me earlier of >> I think when you asked me earlier of what is my party, I've said the what is my party, I've said the what is my party, I've said the Democratic Party. Democratic Party. Democratic Party. >> I'm asking you though. >> I'm asking you though. >> I'm asking you though. >> Yes. And and my point is not what's in >> Yes. And and my point is not what's in >> Yes. And and my point is not what's in the Democratic Party. Understood. My the Democratic Party. Understood. My the Democratic Party. Understood. My point is that the importance of a big point is that the importance of a big point is that the importance of a big tent, it's critical not just in how we tent, it's critical not just in how we tent, it's critical not just in how we describe ourselves as what we belong to, describe ourselves as what we belong to, describe ourselves as what we belong to, but also that we can work with those but also that we can work with those but also that we can work with those with whom we might not have agreement on with whom we might not have agreement on with whom we might not have agreement on every single issue. And you can even see every single issue. And you can even see every single issue. And you can even see in the administration that I've put in the administration that I've put in the administration that I've put together, it's not an administration together, it's not an administration together, it's not an administration where at every job interview I ask where at every job interview I ask where at every job interview I ask someone, "What are your thoughts about someone, "What are your thoughts about someone, "What are your thoughts about Israel and Palestine?" Israel and Palestine?" Israel and Palestine?" >> Frankly, it has very little to do with >> Frankly, it has very little to do with >> Frankly, it has very little to do with most of the things that I'm hiring for. most of the things that I'm hiring for. most of the things that I'm hiring for. And what we want is to show that you are And what we want is to show that you are And what we want is to show that you are looking for expertise. You are looking looking for expertise. You are looking looking for expertise. You are looking to deliver on the ambition of your to deliver on the ambition of your to deliver on the ambition of your policy platform and to build a team policy platform and to build a team policy platform and to build a team that's able to do so. And when it comes that's able to do so. And when it comes that's able to do so. And when it comes to my endorsements of Congress members to my endorsements of Congress members to my endorsements of Congress members or those running for state uh or those running for state uh or those running for state uh legislative seats, they have to show a legislative seats, they have to show a legislative seats, they have to show a vision of the world that speaks to that vision of the world that speaks to that vision of the world that speaks to that despair and also addresses how you would despair and also addresses how you would despair and also addresses how you would actually deliver something different.

actually deliver something different. actually deliver something different. >> And you felt that Espayat didn't do >> And you felt that Espayat didn't do >> And you felt that Espayat didn't do that? that? that? >> No. One other question on this. Former >> No. One other question on this. Former >> No. One other question on this. Former vice president um and presidential vice president um and presidential vice president um and presidential candidate Kla Harris called you candidate Kla Harris called you candidate Kla Harris called you recently. She's reportedly reaching out recently. She's reportedly reaching out recently. She's reportedly reaching out to pro Palestinian groups or people with to pro Palestinian groups or people with to pro Palestinian groups or people with pro Palestinian views. She's, you know, pro Palestinian views. She's, you know, pro Palestinian views. She's, you know, considering another run for president. considering another run for president. considering another run for president. Reportedly, Reportedly, Reportedly, as Biden's VP, she is closely associated as Biden's VP, she is closely associated as Biden's VP, she is closely associated with with with America's support of Israel during the America's support of Israel during the America's support of Israel during the Gaza war. Do you think she can regain Gaza war. Do you think she can regain Gaza war. Do you think she can regain trust on that issue? trust on that issue? trust on that issue? >> I think that the first step for anyone >> I think that the first step for anyone >> I think that the first step for anyone looking to run is to be honest about looking to run is to be honest about looking to run is to be honest about what we see today and what it would take what we see today and what it would take what we see today and what it would take to change that. And when I say what it to change that. And when I say what it to change that. And when I say what it would take, one of the common features would take, one of the common features would take, one of the common features between all of the people that I between all of the people that I between all of the people that I endorsed for Congress was that each one endorsed for Congress was that each one endorsed for Congress was that each one of these candidates spoke about how they of these candidates spoke about how they of these candidates spoke about how they would sign on to the block the bombs would sign on to the block the bombs would sign on to the block the bombs legislation. It speaks about an legislation. It speaks about an legislation. It speaks about an unwillingness to continue to be unwillingness to continue to be unwillingness to continue to be complicit in in a genocide complicit in in a genocide complicit in in a genocide >> and we're talking about billions of >> and we're talking about billions of >> and we're talking about billions of dollars in material support. So I think dollars in material support. So I think dollars in material support. So I think the first step for for any presidential the first step for for any presidential the first step for for any presidential candidate looking to earn the trust of candidate looking to earn the trust of candidate looking to earn the trust of people across the country is a people across the country is a people across the country is a recognition of what our policy has recognition of what our policy has recognition of what our policy has wrought and what a different policy wrought and what a different policy wrought and what a different policy would deliver.

would deliver. would deliver. >> Did you hear that from her? I think that >> Did you hear that from her? I think that >> Did you hear that from her? I think that everyone is early in their everyone is early in their everyone is early in their considerations and you know I I truly considerations and you know I I truly considerations and you know I I truly appreciated the vice president reaching appreciated the vice president reaching appreciated the vice president reaching out out out >> and I think that it is a critical part >> and I think that it is a critical part >> and I think that it is a critical part of this early stage. of this early stage. of this early stage. >> You know um pro Palestinian voices were >> You know um pro Palestinian voices were >> You know um pro Palestinian voices were not allowed to speak at all during her not allowed to speak at all during her not allowed to speak at all during her 2024 uh democratic convention. Um I I 2024 uh democratic convention. Um I I 2024 uh democratic convention. Um I I heard a lot from heard a lot from heard a lot from uh people in the activist community uh people in the activist community uh people in the activist community around that. they felt very betrayed by around that. they felt very betrayed by around that. they felt very betrayed by the fact that they were not allowed to the fact that they were not allowed to the fact that they were not allowed to um engage publicly um engage publicly um engage publicly >> that their voices they felt were >> that their voices they felt were >> that their voices they felt were silenced. How damaging do you think that silenced. How damaging do you think that silenced. How damaging do you think that was for her? was for her? was for her? You know, You know, You know, >> I think what people wanted in that >> I think what people wanted in that >> I think what people wanted in that moment was to know that their voice too moment was to know that their voice too moment was to know that their voice too belonged in this party that we call belonged in this party that we call belonged in this party that we call home. And I remember following along home. And I remember following along home. And I remember following along here from New York City and just here from New York City and just here from New York City and just refreshing Twitter as I would see for refreshing Twitter as I would see for refreshing Twitter as I would see for the updates and Ruard Man and a number the updates and Ruard Man and a number the updates and Ruard Man and a number of others who were gathered outside of others who were gathered outside of others who were gathered outside hopeful that their voice would be heard.

hopeful that their voice would be heard. hopeful that their voice would be heard. And what I'm thankful for is that now And what I'm thankful for is that now And what I'm thankful for is that now today that voice is being heard. And today that voice is being heard. And today that voice is being heard. And it's being heard not only because there it's being heard not only because there it's being heard not only because there are those who have it that are entering are those who have it that are entering are those who have it that are entering into the halls of Congress, but also into the halls of Congress, but also into the halls of Congress, but also because those who have long stood up for because those who have long stood up for because those who have long stood up for the belief in a universality when it the belief in a universality when it the belief in a universality when it comes to human rights are now being comes to human rights are now being comes to human rights are now being treated as core parts of a political treated as core parts of a political treated as core parts of a political conversation, whereas before it wasn't conversation, whereas before it wasn't conversation, whereas before it wasn't even a conversation that was often even a conversation that was often even a conversation that was often permitted to be had. permitted to be had. permitted to be had. >> Do you think the Democratic Party can >> Do you think the Democratic Party can >> Do you think the Democratic Party can become the party of uh Palestinian become the party of uh Palestinian become the party of uh Palestinian rights? I think it can become the party rights? I think it can become the party rights? I think it can become the party of human rights for all people and that of human rights for all people and that of human rights for all people and that must also include Palestinians. I think must also include Palestinians. I think must also include Palestinians. I think people are tired of exceptions being people are tired of exceptions being people are tired of exceptions being drawn. And we know that in politics, the drawn. And we know that in politics, the drawn. And we know that in politics, the more often you draw an exception, the more often you draw an exception, the more often you draw an exception, the more likely you are to draw another one. more likely you are to draw another one. more likely you are to draw another one. And people want consistency. They want And people want consistency. They want And people want consistency. They want to know that when they speak to you, to know that when they speak to you, to know that when they speak to you, they don't have to call you the next day they don't have to call you the next day they don't have to call you the next day to see if the wind is blowing to see if the wind is blowing to see if the wind is blowing differently how you're going to answer differently how you're going to answer differently how you're going to answer them, but that they can trust you that them, but that they can trust you that them, but that they can trust you that this is something that you in fact do this is something that you in fact do this is something that you in fact do believe in. believe in. believe in. >> Last question on this topic. Israel's >> Last question on this topic. Israel's >> Last question on this topic. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is perhaps planning to visit New York for perhaps planning to visit New York for perhaps planning to visit New York for the UN General Assembly. Uh you pledged the UN General Assembly. Uh you pledged the UN General Assembly. Uh you pledged during your campaign and after you won during your campaign and after you won during your campaign and after you won um to order his arrest to comply with um to order his arrest to comply with um to order his arrest to comply with the International Criminal Court the International Criminal Court the International Criminal Court Warrant. What will happen if he comes in Warrant. What will happen if he comes in Warrant. What will happen if he comes in September?

September? September? >> I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu >> I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu >> I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu belongs in the H. He's a war criminal belongs in the H. He's a war criminal belongs in the H. He's a war criminal who has been charged by the who has been charged by the who has been charged by the International Criminal Court. And International Criminal Court. And International Criminal Court. And what you will find is that is an opinion what you will find is that is an opinion what you will find is that is an opinion that is held by many purely because of that is held by many purely because of that is held by many purely because of what his actions have wrought over these what his actions have wrought over these what his actions have wrought over these last many years. I've also said that I last many years. I've also said that I last many years. I've also said that I will follow the laws that we have here will follow the laws that we have here will follow the laws that we have here in New York City. Uh because I believe in New York City. Uh because I believe in New York City. Uh because I believe that there is an importance in following that there is an importance in following that there is an importance in following the law as a leader who presides over the law as a leader who presides over the law as a leader who presides over our city and that's something that I our city and that's something that I our city and that's something that I plan to do. plan to do. plan to do. >> Meaning I'm sorry I don't understand >> Meaning I'm sorry I don't understand >> Meaning I'm sorry I don't understand what that means. what that means. what that means. >> Meaning that whatever the law allows me >> Meaning that whatever the law allows me >> Meaning that whatever the law allows me to do in New York City, that's what we to do in New York City, that's what we to do in New York City, that's what we will do. But we won't be writing our own will do. But we won't be writing our own will do. But we won't be writing our own laws to that end. What does the law laws to that end. What does the law laws to that end. What does the law allow you to do? allow you to do? allow you to do? >> That's an active conversation with our >> That's an active conversation with our >> That's an active conversation with our legal department in seeing what the legal department in seeing what the legal department in seeing what the prospects are we have here in our prospects are we have here in our prospects are we have here in our municipality. However, what we've seen municipality. However, what we've seen municipality. However, what we've seen at the national level is a desire at the national level is a desire at the national level is a desire sometimes to write your own laws, to go sometimes to write your own laws, to go sometimes to write your own laws, to go outside of the bounds of legality. outside of the bounds of legality. outside of the bounds of legality. That's not something we have an interest That's not something we have an interest That's not something we have an interest in. in. in. >> I mean, normally when people come um to >> I mean, normally when people come um to >> I mean, normally when people come um to a UN General Assembly, they're granted a a UN General Assembly, they're granted a a UN General Assembly, they're granted a sort of amnesty because it is the seat sort of amnesty because it is the seat sort of amnesty because it is the seat of the United Nations. Is that what of the United Nations. Is that what of the United Nations. Is that what you're thinking that you'll honor or you're thinking that you'll honor or you're thinking that you'll honor or you're actively looking to see if you you're actively looking to see if you you're actively looking to see if you can actually arrest him?

can actually arrest him? can actually arrest him? >> I think we are looking at all of our >> I think we are looking at all of our >> I think we are looking at all of our legal obligations and one of them is legal obligations and one of them is legal obligations and one of them is with regards to the United Nations, but with regards to the United Nations, but with regards to the United Nations, but the other part of this is is we're we're the other part of this is is we're we're the other part of this is is we're we're not talking about a personal assessment not talking about a personal assessment not talking about a personal assessment of Benjamin Netanyahu. We're talking of Benjamin Netanyahu. We're talking of Benjamin Netanyahu. We're talking about the International Criminal Court about the International Criminal Court about the International Criminal Court and the fact that they have a warrant and the fact that they have a warrant and the fact that they have a warrant out for this prime minister's arrest. out for this prime minister's arrest. out for this prime minister's arrest. And I think it's it's important to talk And I think it's it's important to talk And I think it's it's important to talk about the weight that that has as a about the weight that that has as a about the weight that that has as a charge and also that as the mayor of New charge and also that as the mayor of New charge and also that as the mayor of New York City, I'll be following the laws of York City, I'll be following the laws of York City, I'll be following the laws of New York City. New York City. New York City. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. One of the things that I really wanted One of the things that I really wanted One of the things that I really wanted to ask you about also was an to ask you about also was an to ask you about also was an understanding of your sort of broader understanding of your sort of broader understanding of your sort of broader vision for your coalition now that vision for your coalition now that vision for your coalition now that you're getting involved in federal races you're getting involved in federal races you're getting involved in federal races because all deportations even of violent all deportations even of violent criminals. She called borders a criminals. She called borders a criminals. She called borders a philosophical concept. philosophical concept. philosophical concept. How do you view, for example, the issue How do you view, for example, the issue How do you view, for example, the issue of border security? What border policy of border security? What border policy of border security? What border policy should America have? You know, should should America have? You know, should should America have? You know, should immigrants be able to claim asylum at immigrants be able to claim asylum at immigrants be able to claim asylum at the US Mexico border? Should they be the US Mexico border? Should they be the US Mexico border? Should they be able to enter the country while their able to enter the country while their able to enter the country while their claims are being reviewed?

claims are being reviewed? claims are being reviewed? >> I think some of what you're describing >> I think some of what you're describing >> I think some of what you're describing is answered by the law. And I believe is answered by the law. And I believe is answered by the law. And I believe that we should follow the law when it that we should follow the law when it that we should follow the law when it comes to asylum cases. I also believe comes to asylum cases. I also believe comes to asylum cases. I also believe that we should have a border policy that that we should have a border policy that that we should have a border policy that both is secure and one that is also both is secure and one that is also both is secure and one that is also defined by some humanity. You know, when defined by some humanity. You know, when defined by some humanity. You know, when we talk about immigration, we talk about immigration, we talk about immigration, it's often bandied about as just a it's often bandied about as just a it's often bandied about as just a political subject for debate. political subject for debate. political subject for debate. ICE is an agency that has terrorized ICE is an agency that has terrorized ICE is an agency that has terrorized Americans across this country and others Americans across this country and others Americans across this country and others that live in this country. Just the that live in this country. Just the that live in this country. Just the other day, a man wasn't even 30 years other day, a man wasn't even 30 years other day, a man wasn't even 30 years old, said goodbye to his wife and his old, said goodbye to his wife and his old, said goodbye to his wife and his child, and moments later was shot by ICE child, and moments later was shot by ICE child, and moments later was shot by ICE agents in Maine. And this was agents in Maine. And this was agents in Maine. And this was not even a month after a man was killed not even a month after a man was killed not even a month after a man was killed in Texas. And so when we're talking in Texas. And so when we're talking in Texas. And so when we're talking about all of this, I often think about about all of this, I often think about about all of this, I often think about it through a prism of legality, it through a prism of legality, it through a prism of legality, consistency, and humanity, and an consistency, and humanity, and an consistency, and humanity, and an understanding that immigration policy understanding that immigration policy understanding that immigration policy doesn't just affect those without doesn't just affect those without doesn't just affect those without status. It affects an entire city. You status. It affects an entire city. You status. It affects an entire city. You know, I went to a Dominican barber shop know, I went to a Dominican barber shop know, I went to a Dominican barber shop in Harlem, and the owner was telling me in Harlem, and the owner was telling me in Harlem, and the owner was telling me that everyone in the barber shop had that everyone in the barber shop had that everyone in the barber shop had status. They all had status. And yet status. They all had status. And yet status. They all had status. And yet most of them were terrified to come to most of them were terrified to come to most of them were terrified to come to work because they know that for so much work because they know that for so much work because they know that for so much of ISIS operations, it has little to do of ISIS operations, it has little to do of ISIS operations, it has little to do with legality. It has to do with

with legality. It has to do with with legality. It has to do with profiling and it has to do with a vision profiling and it has to do with a vision profiling and it has to do with a vision of creating the largest deportation of creating the largest deportation of creating the largest deportation machine this country has ever seen and machine this country has ever seen and machine this country has ever seen and of a notion of this country where so of a notion of this country where so of a notion of this country where so many of us who call it home would have many of us who call it home would have many of us who call it home would have no place in it any longer. no place in it any longer. no place in it any longer. >> I think the issue of deportations is um >> I think the issue of deportations is um >> I think the issue of deportations is um one you've been pretty consistent on. one you've been pretty consistent on. one you've been pretty consistent on. I'm trying to understand what your idea I'm trying to understand what your idea I'm trying to understand what your idea of the border would be because obviously of the border would be because obviously of the border would be because obviously the people you endorsed in federal races the people you endorsed in federal races the people you endorsed in federal races will have an impact on any legislation will have an impact on any legislation will have an impact on any legislation to do with the border and the Democratic to do with the border and the Democratic to do with the border and the Democratic party, you know, has struggled um party, you know, has struggled um party, you know, has struggled um gaining support gaining support gaining support over its border policies considering over its border policies considering over its border policies considering what happened under the Biden what happened under the Biden what happened under the Biden administration where you had, you know, administration where you had, you know, administration where you had, you know, the border as some would describe it the border as some would describe it the border as some would describe it being overrun, millions of people coming being overrun, millions of people coming being overrun, millions of people coming in in an unauthorized fashion and that in in an unauthorized fashion and that in in an unauthorized fashion and that had impacts here in New York City. had impacts here in New York City. had impacts here in New York City. >> Um, you know, a lot of the city was >> Um, you know, a lot of the city was >> Um, you know, a lot of the city was overstretched. Um, resources were overstretched. Um, resources were overstretched. Um, resources were overrun and it made people very unhappy. overrun and it made people very unhappy. overrun and it made people very unhappy. So, again, I I would just like to So, again, I I would just like to So, again, I I would just like to understand what a what a humane border understand what a what a humane border understand what a what a humane border policy looks like for you.

policy looks like for you. policy looks like for you. >> I I don't believe that secure and humane >> I I don't believe that secure and humane >> I I don't believe that secure and humane are at odds. I don't believe that the are at odds. I don't believe that the are at odds. I don't believe that the only way to provide immigration only way to provide immigration only way to provide immigration enforcement is through ICE. I think enforcement is through ICE. I think enforcement is through ICE. I think often times we are forced into these often times we are forced into these often times we are forced into these false choices. false choices. false choices. >> Would you have asylum seekers be able to >> Would you have asylum seekers be able to >> Would you have asylum seekers be able to you know for example ask for asylum at you know for example ask for asylum at you know for example ask for asylum at the US Mexico border? the US Mexico border? the US Mexico border? >> What is the law today? What are they >> What is the law today? What are they >> What is the law today? What are they legally entitled to do? I mean the law legally entitled to do? I mean the law legally entitled to do? I mean the law today I mean under President Trump the today I mean under President Trump the today I mean under President Trump the law today is that they're not law today is that they're not law today is that they're not >> but in terms of international >> but in terms of international >> but in terms of international obligations in terms of obligations in terms of obligations in terms of >> and that has meant that the border has >> and that has meant that the border has >> and that has meant that the border has seen a dramatic drop in illegal seen a dramatic drop in illegal seen a dramatic drop in illegal crossings. So I guess that is the crossings. So I guess that is the crossings. So I guess that is the tension that a lot of people see. I tension that a lot of people see. I tension that a lot of people see. I think that what we've found from the think that what we've found from the think that what we've found from the Republican administration has been a Republican administration has been a Republican administration has been a desire to make any and all immigration desire to make any and all immigration desire to make any and all immigration illegal. illegal. illegal. >> And I sit before you as one of the first >> And I sit before you as one of the first >> And I sit before you as one of the first immigrant mayors of our city in immigrant mayors of our city in immigrant mayors of our city in generations. generations. generations. >> I lead a city where of 8 and a half >> I lead a city where of 8 and a half >> I lead a city where of 8 and a half million people, more than 3 million are million people, more than 3 million are million people, more than 3 million are immigrants. And so when we're talking immigrants. And so when we're talking immigrants. And so when we're talking about legitimate claims to asylum, I about legitimate claims to asylum, I about legitimate claims to asylum, I think that those should be honored. When think that those should be honored. When think that those should be honored. When we're talking about immigration we're talking about immigration we're talking about immigration enforcement, I think that it should be enforcement, I think that it should be enforcement, I think that it should be humane. I talk about our pride in being humane. I talk about our pride in being humane. I talk about our pride in being a sanctuary city in terms of the a sanctuary city in terms of the a sanctuary city in terms of the policies that we practice. I'll give you policies that we practice. I'll give you policies that we practice. I'll give you an example of those policies. We are an example of those policies. We are an example of those policies. We are willing to work with the federal willing to work with the federal willing to work with the federal government on government on government on more than 170 serious crimes if someone more than 170 serious crimes if someone more than 170 serious crimes if someone has been convicted of them.

has been convicted of them. has been convicted of them. What we are unwilling to do is to What we are unwilling to do is to What we are unwilling to do is to participate in civil immigration participate in civil immigration participate in civil immigration enforcement with a federal government enforcement with a federal government enforcement with a federal government that has said openly it wants to deport that has said openly it wants to deport that has said openly it wants to deport a vast majority of people for crimes a vast majority of people for crimes a vast majority of people for crimes that we will never even know. that we will never even know. that we will never even know. >> That where is where I think I see the >> That where is where I think I see the >> That where is where I think I see the tension. tension. tension. >> Have you ever been to the US Mexico >> Have you ever been to the US Mexico >> Have you ever been to the US Mexico border? border? border? >> No. >> No. >> No. Um, Um, Um, you've been in office for half a year. you've been in office for half a year. you've been in office for half a year. You have very high approval ratings, 58% You have very high approval ratings, 58% You have very high approval ratings, 58% in New York City, according to the most in New York City, according to the most in New York City, according to the most recent Sienna poll, and that is a number recent Sienna poll, and that is a number recent Sienna poll, and that is a number that has actually gone up, which I think that has actually gone up, which I think that has actually gone up, which I think is unusual in our current political um is unusual in our current political um is unusual in our current political um moment. You've made strides on two out moment. You've made strides on two out moment. You've made strides on two out of your three central campaign promises. of your three central campaign promises. of your three central campaign promises. A start on universal child care, the A start on universal child care, the A start on universal child care, the rent freeze, free buses are not there rent freeze, free buses are not there rent freeze, free buses are not there yet, but you've just launched a whole yet, but you've just launched a whole yet, but you've just launched a whole new project on making the buses action new project on making the buses action new project on making the buses action plan. plan. plan. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> 175 routes up to six minutes saved per >> 175 routes up to six minutes saved per >> 175 routes up to six minutes saved per way.

way. way. >> I think it people find it um heartening >> I think it people find it um heartening >> I think it people find it um heartening that you nerd out on this stuff that you nerd out on this stuff that you nerd out on this stuff >> because it makes a difference. You know, >> because it makes a difference. You know, >> because it makes a difference. You know, sometimes we treat these like sometimes we treat these like sometimes we treat these like statistics, but think about for an statistics, but think about for an statistics, but think about for an average New Yorker what they could do average New Yorker what they could do average New Yorker what they could do with 12 more minutes if they're taking a with 12 more minutes if they're taking a with 12 more minutes if they're taking a bus to and from. bus to and from. bus to and from. >> You know, as I was thinking about >> You know, as I was thinking about >> You know, as I was thinking about your project and the ambitions that you your project and the ambitions that you your project and the ambitions that you have laid out to the city, have laid out to the city, have laid out to the city, I was wondering, and I know this is a I was wondering, and I know this is a I was wondering, and I know this is a little bit of an absurd question, but little bit of an absurd question, but little bit of an absurd question, but >> come on. >> come on. >> come on. >> Come on. Let's do it. >> Come on. Let's do it. >> Come on. Let's do it. >> Let's do absurdity. But if you had a >> Let's do absurdity. But if you had a >> Let's do absurdity. But if you had a magic wand, no, but really, I know this magic wand, no, but really, I know this magic wand, no, but really, I know this sounds like a little bit absurd, but I sounds like a little bit absurd, but I sounds like a little bit absurd, but I do think it speaks to if money was no do think it speaks to if money was no do think it speaks to if money was no object object object >> and you could enact anything, what would >> and you could enact anything, what would >> and you could enact anything, what would you do? you do? you do? >> I'd be doing the same things I'm doing >> I'd be doing the same things I'm doing >> I'd be doing the same things I'm doing now. now. now. >> Oh, come on. >> Oh, come on. >> Oh, come on. >> It would just be a lot easier, I think. >> It would just be a lot easier, I think. >> It would just be a lot easier, I think. No, but one thing that you could do, >> I think one thing I'm very passionate >> I think one thing I'm very passionate about is universal child care.

about is universal child care. about is universal child care. >> So, that would be the that would be the >> So, that would be the that would be the >> So, that would be the that would be the thing. thing. thing. >> That would be the thing. And the reason >> That would be the thing. And the reason >> That would be the thing. And the reason that would be the thing is right now in that would be the thing is right now in that would be the thing is right now in our city to afford child care for a our city to afford child care for a our city to afford child care for a 2-year-old as a family, you need to make 2-year-old as a family, you need to make 2-year-old as a family, you need to make $334,000. >> I'm a parent. >> I'm a parent. >> That's an extraordinary amount of money. >> That's an extraordinary amount of money. >> That's an extraordinary amount of money. And that's an amount of money where And that's an amount of money where And that's an amount of money where again if you as a family you're making again if you as a family you're making again if you as a family you're making $300,000, you're still not hitting it. $300,000, you're still not hitting it. $300,000, you're still not hitting it. And so what we have often described as And so what we have often described as And so what we have often described as success, if that is unable to meet the success, if that is unable to meet the success, if that is unable to meet the bare minimum of what it means to raise a bare minimum of what it means to raise a bare minimum of what it means to raise a family in this city, that's a real family in this city, that's a real family in this city, that's a real problem. And the reason I say is, you problem. And the reason I say is, you problem. And the reason I say is, you know, it would be faster is obviously know, it would be faster is obviously know, it would be faster is obviously we're talking about a multi-billion we're talking about a multi-billion we're talking about a multi-billion dollar investment. This year we secured dollar investment. This year we secured dollar investment. This year we secured 1.2 two billion going to make child care 1.2 two billion going to make child care 1.2 two billion going to make child care free for 2,000 kids this fall, 12,000 free for 2,000 kids this fall, 12,000 free for 2,000 kids this fall, 12,000 kids next fall, every single 2-year-old kids next fall, every single 2-year-old kids next fall, every single 2-year-old by the end of four years. But if I had a by the end of four years. But if I had a by the end of four years. But if I had a magic wand and I could say wingardium magic wand and I could say wingardium magic wand and I could say wingardium leviosa or whatever spell we're leviosa or whatever spell we're leviosa or whatever spell we're specifically referring to in this specifically referring to in this specifically referring to in this moment, uh, yes, I would love to make it moment, uh, yes, I would love to make it moment, uh, yes, I would love to make it free in an instant without having to free in an instant without having to free in an instant without having to take the time of the years of building take the time of the years of building take the time of the years of building what's necessary to win that, but I what's necessary to win that, but I what's necessary to win that, but I think we're already showing it can make think we're already showing it can make think we're already showing it can make a real difference.

a real difference. a real difference. >> How about you? What would you do? If I >> How about you? What would you do? If I >> How about you? What would you do? If I could do anything, that's a good could do anything, that's a good could do anything, that's a good question. What would I do if I could do question. What would I do if I could do question. What would I do if I could do absolutely anything? absolutely anything? absolutely anything? >> It's a hard question, isn't it? Yeah. >> It's a hard question, isn't it? Yeah. >> It's a hard question, isn't it? Yeah. >> Live in my shoes for a minute. >> Live in my shoes for a minute. >> Live in my shoes for a minute. >> Yeah. I'm going to live in your shoes >> Yeah. I'm going to live in your shoes >> Yeah. I'm going to live in your shoes for a minute, you know? I mean, for a minute, you know? I mean, for a minute, you know? I mean, personally, um, more park space, more personally, um, more park space, more personally, um, more park space, more outdoor space. outdoor space. outdoor space. >> I thought I couldn't get that question >> I thought I couldn't get that question >> I thought I couldn't get that question wrong and now I feel like I did. wrong and now I feel like I did. wrong and now I feel like I did. >> Yeah. just I mean living in cities um >> Yeah. just I mean living in cities um >> Yeah. just I mean living in cities um and having seen other cities that are and having seen other cities that are and having seen other cities that are livable um it the places where you can livable um it the places where you can livable um it the places where you can gather and feel like you can breathe and gather and feel like you can breathe and gather and feel like you can breathe and be outside and give you respit. be outside and give you respit. be outside and give you respit. >> What's your favorite park in New York >> What's your favorite park in New York >> What's your favorite park in New York City? City? City? >> What's my favorite Central Park, man? >> What's my favorite Central Park, man? >> What's my favorite Central Park, man? What else? What else? What else? >> Are you going to give me try a little >> Are you going to give me try a little >> Are you going to give me try a little harder coming? No, I'm not going to try harder coming? No, I'm not going to try harder coming? No, I'm not going to try a little harder. This is This is not a little harder. This is This is not a little harder. This is This is not This is me interviewing This is me interviewing This is me interviewing >> Apologies. Apologies. I apologize. I >> Apologies. Apologies. I apologize. I >> Apologies. Apologies. I apologize. I should know my I should know my lane. should know my I should know my lane. should know my I should know my lane. >> Stay in your lane, Mob Donnie. >> Stay in your lane, Mob Donnie. >> Stay in your lane, Mob Donnie. Um, Um, Um, I want to talk about New York's economy I want to talk about New York's economy I want to talk about New York's economy because much of it is built around Wall because much of it is built around Wall because much of it is built around Wall Street, finance, real estate.

How important is it for you to have a How important is it for you to have a good relationship with those sectors? good relationship with those sectors? good relationship with those sectors? And how would you say your relationship And how would you say your relationship And how would you say your relationship is with those sectors? is with those sectors? is with those sectors? >> I think it's important. and what I have >> I think it's important. and what I have >> I think it's important. and what I have in common with leaders of those sectors, in common with leaders of those sectors, in common with leaders of those sectors, even amidst disagreements that we'll even amidst disagreements that we'll even amidst disagreements that we'll have over fiscal policy, because I have over fiscal policy, because I have over fiscal policy, because I believe that we can raise taxes a little believe that we can raise taxes a little believe that we can raise taxes a little bit more on the wealthiest New Yorkers bit more on the wealthiest New Yorkers bit more on the wealthiest New Yorkers to ensure that everyone can afford life to ensure that everyone can afford life to ensure that everyone can afford life in this city. What brings us together is in this city. What brings us together is in this city. What brings us together is both a belief in this city and a both a belief in this city and a both a belief in this city and a commitment to its continued vitality. commitment to its continued vitality. commitment to its continued vitality. You know, the other day I went to the You know, the other day I went to the You know, the other day I went to the announcement of the new American Express announcement of the new American Express announcement of the new American Express headquarters at two world trade center headquarters at two world trade center headquarters at two world trade center and one thing that stood out to me was and one thing that stood out to me was and one thing that stood out to me was that these business leaders, that these business leaders, that these business leaders, they're not just making decisions on the they're not just making decisions on the they're not just making decisions on the basis of dollars and cents. They're also basis of dollars and cents. They're also basis of dollars and cents. They're also making decisions on the basis of making decisions on the basis of making decisions on the basis of investing in this city and in what the investing in this city and in what the investing in this city and in what the city represents. There's so many city represents. There's so many city represents. There's so many businesses that could have walked away businesses that could have walked away businesses that could have walked away from this city after 9/11 and they from this city after 9/11 and they from this city after 9/11 and they instead chose to double down in their instead chose to double down in their instead chose to double down in their commitment to it.

commitment to it. commitment to it. >> I think everyone who has heard you talk >> I think everyone who has heard you talk >> I think everyone who has heard you talk about American Express and and the bank about American Express and and the bank about American Express and and the bank seem like that's all they talk about. seem like that's all they talk about. seem like that's all they talk about. >> No, no, no. But you've talked about it >> No, no, no. But you've talked about it >> No, no, no. But you've talked about it recently and other other big um recently and other other big um recently and other other big um organizations um that are, you know, organizations um that are, you know, organizations um that are, you know, going to be employing people anthropic, going to be employing people anthropic, going to be employing people anthropic, etc., etc. etc., etc. etc., etc. have wondered how does a democratic have wondered how does a democratic have wondered how does a democratic socialist like yourself view the role of socialist like yourself view the role of socialist like yourself view the role of business and private industry in the business and private industry in the business and private industry in the economy? I mean, what does a socialist economy? I mean, what does a socialist economy? I mean, what does a socialist economic development look like? Because economic development look like? Because economic development look like? Because the way you're talking, you sound like the way you're talking, you sound like the way you're talking, you sound like any capitalist mayor. any capitalist mayor. any capitalist mayor. >> Oh my god. Look, I think Look, I think I think we have to go beyond the typical I think we have to go beyond the typical I think we have to go beyond the typical indicators of what makes a strong indicators of what makes a strong indicators of what makes a strong economy. I think we also have to measure economy. I think we also have to measure economy. I think we also have to measure whether a working person can breathe. whether a working person can breathe. whether a working person can breathe. And yes, it's the wealthiest city and And yes, it's the wealthiest city and And yes, it's the wealthiest city and it's also a city where one in four are it's also a city where one in four are it's also a city where one in four are living in poverty. So, I will always living in poverty. So, I will always living in poverty. So, I will always celebrate continued investment in this celebrate continued investment in this celebrate continued investment in this city. And I'll also look to ensure that city. And I'll also look to ensure that city. And I'll also look to ensure that more and more New Yorkers can be a part more and more New Yorkers can be a part more and more New Yorkers can be a part of those benefits. Because when we talk of those benefits. Because when we talk of those benefits. Because when we talk about our vision for this city, about our vision for this city, about our vision for this city, the affordability agenda, the affordability agenda, the affordability agenda, it's that those who help build it can it's that those who help build it can it's that those who help build it can also live in it. And right now, there also live in it. And right now, there also live in it. And right now, there are so many working people where if you are so many working people where if you are so many working people where if you ask them where they live, they won't ask them where they live, they won't ask them where they live, they won't tell you a neighborhood across the five tell you a neighborhood across the five tell you a neighborhood across the five burrows. They'll tell you a neighboring burrows. They'll tell you a neighboring burrows. They'll tell you a neighboring state. They'll tell you they live in state. They'll tell you they live in state. They'll tell you they live in Jersey City. They'll tell you they live

Jersey City. They'll tell you they live Jersey City. They'll tell you they live in Connecticut. They'll tell you they in Connecticut. They'll tell you they in Connecticut. They'll tell you they live in Pennsylvania. live in Pennsylvania. live in Pennsylvania. And I think that's how a city becomes a And I think that's how a city becomes a And I think that's how a city becomes a museum, not a living, breathing museum, not a living, breathing museum, not a living, breathing testament to the possibility of working testament to the possibility of working testament to the possibility of working people. people. people. >> And I'll just tell you, if you allow me, >> And I'll just tell you, if you allow me, >> And I'll just tell you, if you allow me, um, what we've seen is in the first 5 um, what we've seen is in the first 5 um, what we've seen is in the first 5 months of this year, we had an addition months of this year, we had an addition months of this year, we had an addition of more than 21,000 jobs. What we saw in of more than 21,000 jobs. What we saw in of more than 21,000 jobs. What we saw in 2025 is that we had more than 48,000 2025 is that we had more than 48,000 2025 is that we had more than 48,000 jobs in the New York City metro area. Of jobs in the New York City metro area. Of jobs in the New York City metro area. Of any metro area in the country, it's the any metro area in the country, it's the any metro area in the country, it's the fastest growing one. And so we see that fastest growing one. And so we see that fastest growing one. And so we see that we're headed in the right direction. we're headed in the right direction. we're headed in the right direction. >> I mean, to note that the city's recent >> I mean, to note that the city's recent >> I mean, to note that the city's recent job numbers aren't particularly strong. job numbers aren't particularly strong. job numbers aren't particularly strong. The unemployment rate is comparatively The unemployment rate is comparatively The unemployment rate is comparatively high. Where do the good paying jobs high. Where do the good paying jobs high. Where do the good paying jobs come for come from? um you know because come for come from? um you know because come for come from? um you know because for example I think it has been noted for example I think it has been noted for example I think it has been noted that you have an appointed ahead of the that you have an appointed ahead of the that you have an appointed ahead of the economic development corporation which economic development corporation which economic development corporation which is an important tool that New York City is an important tool that New York City is an important tool that New York City mayors have for development and job mayors have for development and job mayors have for development and job creation and there has been a sense that creation and there has been a sense that creation and there has been a sense that perhaps that is sending a message to the perhaps that is sending a message to the perhaps that is sending a message to the business community that you aren't as business community that you aren't as business community that you aren't as interested in those kinds of interested in those kinds of interested in those kinds of partnerships those public private partnerships those public private partnerships those public private partnerships as perhaps other mayors partnerships as perhaps other mayors partnerships as perhaps other mayors have been. I'm incredibly interested in have been. I'm incredibly interested in have been. I'm incredibly interested in them and we are in the final processes them and we are in the final processes them and we are in the final processes of interviews for that role and I'm also of interviews for that role and I'm also of interviews for that role and I'm also someone who believes that the decision someone who believes that the decision someone who believes that the decision you make is one that's important not you make is one that's important not you make is one that's important not just for the narrative purposes but for just for the narrative purposes but for just for the narrative purposes but for what that person can deliver and that what that person can deliver and that what that person can deliver and that they should be someone that you're fully

they should be someone that you're fully they should be someone that you're fully confident in exactly what it is they're confident in exactly what it is they're confident in exactly what it is they're going to bring to the table. going to bring to the table. going to bring to the table. >> What do you want them to bring to the >> What do you want them to bring to the >> What do you want them to bring to the table? table? table? >> I want them to bring a set of skills >> I want them to bring a set of skills >> I want them to bring a set of skills that can deliver on economic development that can deliver on economic development that can deliver on economic development in a way that goes beyond what we've in a way that goes beyond what we've in a way that goes beyond what we've seen in recent years. And what that seen in recent years. And what that seen in recent years. And what that means is someone who understands what we means is someone who understands what we means is someone who understands what we were saying earlier that the strength of were saying earlier that the strength of were saying earlier that the strength of an economy can not just be measured by an economy can not just be measured by an economy can not just be measured by the statistics that we often use but the statistics that we often use but the statistics that we often use but also of whether it is reaching working also of whether it is reaching working also of whether it is reaching working people who are typically left out of people who are typically left out of people who are typically left out of these kinds of conversations. And I will these kinds of conversations. And I will these kinds of conversations. And I will say that even amidst the search for a say that even amidst the search for a say that even amidst the search for a new head of our economic development new head of our economic development new head of our economic development corporation, the EDC continues to be one corporation, the EDC continues to be one corporation, the EDC continues to be one of our focuses and they continue to do of our focuses and they continue to do of our focuses and they continue to do the work uh especially when it comes to the work uh especially when it comes to the work uh especially when it comes to our agenda of delivering city-run our agenda of delivering city-run our agenda of delivering city-run grocery stores. That is work that is grocery stores. That is work that is grocery stores. That is work that is currently within the portfolio of EDC currently within the portfolio of EDC currently within the portfolio of EDC and that they've done a very good job in and that they've done a very good job in and that they've done a very good job in moving forward. moving forward. moving forward. >> Um >> Um >> Um let's talk about policing let's talk about policing let's talk about policing >> please >> please >> please >> as well. Absolutely. >> as well. Absolutely. >> as well. Absolutely. >> Murders and shootings are now at >> Murders and shootings are now at >> Murders and shootings are now at historic lows.

historic lows. historic lows. >> Um, >> but there is I think >> but there is I think >> I knew there was a butt coming. >> I knew there was a butt coming. >> I knew there was a butt coming. >> No, there's not a butt. There's a there's a another tension there that I there's a another tension there that I think people are trying to understand. think people are trying to understand. think people are trying to understand. You know, the DSA has been very vocally You know, the DSA has been very vocally You know, the DSA has been very vocally skeptical of the tactics of the NYPD and skeptical of the tactics of the NYPD and skeptical of the tactics of the NYPD and of your police commissioner, Jessica of your police commissioner, Jessica of your police commissioner, Jessica Tish. Um, she stayed on from the Adams Tish. Um, she stayed on from the Adams Tish. Um, she stayed on from the Adams administration. She's a pro-Israel administration. She's a pro-Israel administration. She's a pro-Israel billionaire. She's a technocrat. She's billionaire. She's a technocrat. She's billionaire. She's a technocrat. She's been very successful at her job. been very successful at her job. been very successful at her job. And I am curious because you have been And I am curious because you have been And I am curious because you have been publicly very supportive of her. But you publicly very supportive of her. But you publicly very supportive of her. But you also just nicked 600 new police officers also just nicked 600 new police officers also just nicked 600 new police officers and it has been reported that part of and it has been reported that part of and it has been reported that part of the reason for that was because of the reason for that was because of the reason for that was because of complaints from the DSA. I mean, do you complaints from the DSA. I mean, do you complaints from the DSA. I mean, do you see a tension between your organization see a tension between your organization see a tension between your organization and your police commissioner? and your police commissioner? and your police commissioner? >> Well, I think no matter who you're >> Well, I think no matter who you're >> Well, I think no matter who you're describing in that sequence, you're describing in that sequence, you're describing in that sequence, you're describing New Yorkers who care deeply describing New Yorkers who care deeply describing New Yorkers who care deeply about public safety. And about public safety. And about public safety. And in the many words that you were in the many words that you were in the many words that you were describing our police commissioner with, describing our police commissioner with, describing our police commissioner with, the two most important I think were very the two most important I think were very the two most important I think were very successful. And it comes back to when successful. And it comes back to when successful. And it comes back to when we're talking about the lowest number of we're talking about the lowest number of we're talking about the lowest number of murders and shootings and shooting murders and shootings and shooting murders and shootings and shooting victims in the recorded history of our victims in the recorded history of our victims in the recorded history of our city. That city. That city. That it means the world to New Yorkers

it means the world to New Yorkers it means the world to New Yorkers because it also means that there are far because it also means that there are far because it also means that there are far fewer tables where there's an empty fewer tables where there's an empty fewer tables where there's an empty seat, far fewer families where grief seat, far fewer families where grief seat, far fewer families where grief hovers over them every single day. And hovers over them every single day. And hovers over them every single day. And still there is more work to be done still there is more work to be done still there is more work to be done because so long as there is crime, there because so long as there is crime, there because so long as there is crime, there is work to be done. And when it comes to is work to be done. And when it comes to is work to be done. And when it comes to the question of the size of our police the question of the size of our police the question of the size of our police force, uh, you know, I've said time and force, uh, you know, I've said time and force, uh, you know, I've said time and again that the police force that has again that the police force that has again that the police force that has delivered these kinds of record lows is delivered these kinds of record lows is delivered these kinds of record lows is the one that I trust to continue the one that I trust to continue the one that I trust to continue delivering that kind of public safety delivering that kind of public safety delivering that kind of public safety and that we're going to be able to do and that we're going to be able to do and that we're going to be able to do that while also delivering two command that while also delivering two command that while also delivering two command centers in the Bronx the way that we do centers in the Bronx the way that we do centers in the Bronx the way that we do in Queens and Brooklyn and Manhattan and in Queens and Brooklyn and Manhattan and in Queens and Brooklyn and Manhattan and also providing additional training to also providing additional training to also providing additional training to officers. and to be able to do that officers. and to be able to do that officers. and to be able to do that within our authorized headcount that within our authorized headcount that within our authorized headcount that also comes as part of a focus across also comes as part of a focus across also comes as part of a focus across city agencies on how to deliver on city agencies on how to deliver on city agencies on how to deliver on savings at a time of inheriting a 12 savings at a time of inheriting a 12 savings at a time of inheriting a 12 billion fiscal deficit. I I would like billion fiscal deficit. I I would like billion fiscal deficit. I I would like to ask you just your own personal to ask you just your own personal to ask you just your own personal evolution if there has been an evolution evolution if there has been an evolution evolution if there has been an evolution because you came in, because you came in, because you came in, >> you know, saying that you were going to >> you know, saying that you were going to >> you know, saying that you were going to get rid of the strategic response group, get rid of the strategic response group, get rid of the strategic response group, that you were going to that you were going to that you were going to reduce the sort of enforcement of fair reduce the sort of enforcement of fair reduce the sort of enforcement of fair evasion and other small infractions that evasion and other small infractions that evasion and other small infractions that overwhelmingly impact people of color.

overwhelmingly impact people of color. overwhelmingly impact people of color. Meanwhile, NYPD arrests of those kinds Meanwhile, NYPD arrests of those kinds Meanwhile, NYPD arrests of those kinds have sort of skyrocketed. And my have sort of skyrocketed. And my have sort of skyrocketed. And my question is, do you see yourself having question is, do you see yourself having question is, do you see yourself having evolved on some of these issues? Because evolved on some of these issues? Because evolved on some of these issues? Because obviously, as always happens, the obviously, as always happens, the obviously, as always happens, the reality of having to keep a very reality of having to keep a very reality of having to keep a very complicated large city like New York complicated large city like New York complicated large city like New York safe might be different than what you safe might be different than what you safe might be different than what you imagined coming into it. I don't I ran imagined coming into it. I don't I ran imagined coming into it. I don't I ran on a vision where public safety would be on a vision where public safety would be on a vision where public safety would be something where New Yorkers need not be something where New Yorkers need not be something where New Yorkers need not be asked to choose between safety and asked to choose between safety and asked to choose between safety and justice. And yes, I spoke about the justice. And yes, I spoke about the justice. And yes, I spoke about the importance of disbanding the strategic importance of disbanding the strategic importance of disbanding the strategic response group, which is a group that is response group, which is a group that is response group, which is a group that is tasked with both responding to the tasked with both responding to the tasked with both responding to the exercising of the first amendment at exercising of the first amendment at exercising of the first amendment at protests and responding to terror protests and responding to terror protests and responding to terror threats. M threats. M threats. M >> and I said that I did not believe it was >> and I said that I did not believe it was >> and I said that I did not believe it was important necessary to couple these two important necessary to couple these two important necessary to couple these two responses. They should in fact be responses. They should in fact be responses. They should in fact be decoupled. decoupled. decoupled. >> I continue to believe that and I >> I continue to believe that and I >> I continue to believe that and I continue to have conversations with our continue to have conversations with our continue to have conversations with our police commissioner about how we can police commissioner about how we can police commissioner about how we can deliver on the separation of those deliver on the separation of those deliver on the separation of those responsibilities and do so in a way responsibilities and do so in a way responsibilities and do so in a way where we're keeping New Yorkers safe.

where we're keeping New Yorkers safe. where we're keeping New Yorkers safe. And that is still a part of my agenda. And that is still a part of my agenda. And that is still a part of my agenda. And what is also critical to me is that And what is also critical to me is that And what is also critical to me is that we understand safety both in terms of we understand safety both in terms of we understand safety both in terms of response and also in terms of response and also in terms of response and also in terms of prevention. And so a lot of the work prevention. And so a lot of the work prevention. And so a lot of the work that we're also looking to do is address that we're also looking to do is address that we're also looking to do is address where are the areas where we see the where are the areas where we see the where are the areas where we see the highest levels of crime and what can it highest levels of crime and what can it highest levels of crime and what can it also look like to invest city resources also look like to invest city resources also look like to invest city resources and support into those same and support into those same and support into those same neighborhoods as well. neighborhoods as well. neighborhoods as well. >> And what about the the arrests of for >> And what about the the arrests of for >> And what about the the arrests of for small infractions, etc., etc. Um, that small infractions, etc., etc. Um, that small infractions, etc., etc. Um, that seems to be flying in the face of the seems to be flying in the face of the seems to be flying in the face of the things that you had promised. things that you had promised. things that you had promised. >> I think that some of the arrest figures >> I think that some of the arrest figures >> I think that some of the arrest figures are actually not all that dissimilar are actually not all that dissimilar are actually not all that dissimilar from what we've seen in the prior year. from what we've seen in the prior year. from what we've seen in the prior year. Um, however, what we are also making Um, however, what we are also making Um, however, what we are also making clear is we have a medium and long-term clear is we have a medium and long-term clear is we have a medium and long-term vision where we are going to allow vision where we are going to allow vision where we are going to allow police officers to focus on serious police officers to focus on serious police officers to focus on serious crime, exactly what they signed up to be crime, exactly what they signed up to be crime, exactly what they signed up to be a part of when they wanted to join this a part of when they wanted to join this a part of when they wanted to join this department. And I've said that in when department. And I've said that in when department. And I've said that in when it comes especially to our response to it comes especially to our response to it comes especially to our response to instances of mental health across the instances of mental health across the instances of mental health across the city that that is work that still needs city that that is work that still needs city that that is work that still needs to be done to decouple that response to be done to decouple that response to be done to decouple that response that we have right now.

that we have right now. that we have right now. >> How committed are you to Commissioner >> How committed are you to Commissioner >> How committed are you to Commissioner Tish in the sense of being part of your Tish in the sense of being part of your Tish in the sense of being part of your administration? Um because you do have administration? Um because you do have administration? Um because you do have you are very different philosophically. you are very different philosophically. you are very different philosophically. >> Yes. And and I think part of what it >> Yes. And and I think part of what it >> Yes. And and I think part of what it means to be a New Yorker is to work with means to be a New Yorker is to work with means to be a New Yorker is to work with those with whom you may have a those with whom you may have a those with whom you may have a disagreement on one or two issues, but disagreement on one or two issues, but disagreement on one or two issues, but you ask yourself, what is the purpose of you ask yourself, what is the purpose of you ask yourself, what is the purpose of this relationship? It is to keep New this relationship? It is to keep New this relationship? It is to keep New Yorkers safe. And that is something that Yorkers safe. And that is something that Yorkers safe. And that is something that we're delivering on. And anyone who we're delivering on. And anyone who we're delivering on. And anyone who works for me at this point, there's works for me at this point, there's works for me at this point, there's someone that I want to continue to work someone that I want to continue to work someone that I want to continue to work with tomorrow, the day after that, with tomorrow, the day after that, with tomorrow, the day after that, because it's critical that we are because it's critical that we are because it's critical that we are measured by the work that we do, not by measured by the work that we do, not by measured by the work that we do, not by whether or not there's a disagreement whether or not there's a disagreement whether or not there's a disagreement beyond that work. The reason that all beyond that work. The reason that all beyond that work. The reason that all this becomes important is precisely how this becomes important is precisely how this becomes important is precisely how we started this conversation because you we started this conversation because you we started this conversation because you wanted to make New York the model wanted to make New York the model wanted to make New York the model nationally and so how you think about nationally and so how you think about nationally and so how you think about policing, how you think about the policing, how you think about the policing, how you think about the partnerships with the economic class partnerships with the economic class partnerships with the economic class >> um have much more resonance because of >> um have much more resonance because of >> um have much more resonance because of your own interest in having that sort of your own interest in having that sort of your own interest in having that sort of um resonate beyond the confines of New um resonate beyond the confines of New um resonate beyond the confines of New York City. I think my interest is more York City. I think my interest is more York City. I think my interest is more in delivering for New Yorkers and in in delivering for New Yorkers and in in delivering for New Yorkers and in doing so there is an example of what doing so there is an example of what doing so there is an example of what that can look like. And I will also say that can look like. And I will also say that can look like. And I will also say that when I was running for this office, that when I was running for this office, that when I was running for this office, I would hear time and again of what a I would hear time and again of what a I would hear time and again of what a catastrophe it would be if I were to win catastrophe it would be if I were to win catastrophe it would be if I were to win when it came to capital flight, when it when it came to capital flight, when it when it came to capital flight, when it came to crime. And what we've seen is so came to crime. And what we've seen is so came to crime. And what we've seen is so much of what is fear-mongered around has much of what is fear-mongered around has much of what is fear-mongered around has very little relationship to reality. And

very little relationship to reality. And very little relationship to reality. And that's also an important reflection on that's also an important reflection on that's also an important reflection on what dominates a lot of our political what dominates a lot of our political what dominates a lot of our political discourse. It's as if it is just the discourse. It's as if it is just the discourse. It's as if it is just the worst possible fantasy someone could put worst possible fantasy someone could put worst possible fantasy someone could put forward that you have to answer for. And forward that you have to answer for. And forward that you have to answer for. And now today, what we have to answer for is now today, what we have to answer for is now today, what we have to answer for is what we're actually delivering for New what we're actually delivering for New what we're actually delivering for New Yorkers. Yorkers. Yorkers. >> Part of this discussion, of course, is >> Part of this discussion, of course, is >> Part of this discussion, of course, is the organization that you are part of, the organization that you are part of, the organization that you are part of, which is the DSA, and it's having a which is the DSA, and it's having a which is the DSA, and it's having a moment, right? I mean they are um being moment, right? I mean they are um being moment, right? I mean they are um being discussed um in both good ways and bad discussed um in both good ways and bad discussed um in both good ways and bad to put it mildly. Um and at the heart of to put it mildly. Um and at the heart of to put it mildly. Um and at the heart of it is this idea that they are fighting it is this idea that they are fighting it is this idea that they are fighting for the working class and it made me for the working class and it made me for the working class and it made me wonder how do you define the working wonder how do you define the working wonder how do you define the working class because there's also been a lot of class because there's also been a lot of class because there's also been a lot of debate around debate around debate around what is the working class now and who is what is the working class now and who is what is the working class now and who is welcome at the table of the working welcome at the table of the working welcome at the table of the working class. class. class. I I think if you have to work to pay I I think if you have to work to pay I I think if you have to work to pay your bills, your bills, your bills, I think that that is one definition of I think that that is one definition of I think that that is one definition of being a part of the working class.

being a part of the working class. being a part of the working class. >> So, is that like anyone with a Oh my >> So, is that like anyone with a Oh my >> So, is that like anyone with a Oh my goodness. And it's okay. goodness. And it's okay. goodness. And it's okay. >> It's just a bad cough. >> It's just a bad cough. >> It's just a bad cough. >> Have you had it checked out? >> Have you had it checked out? >> Have you had it checked out? >> I have. >> I have. >> I have. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's why I believe in Medicare for >> That's why I believe in Medicare for >> That's why I believe in Medicare for all. Everyone can check it out. all. Everyone can check it out. all. Everyone can check it out. >> So, that's everyone with a W2. Is that >> So, that's everyone with a W2. Is that >> So, that's everyone with a W2. Is that Is that kind of 1099's too. I think it's Is that kind of 1099's too. I think it's Is that kind of 1099's too. I think it's it's I'm less interested. it's I'm less interested. it's I'm less interested. >> So, someone making $250,000 a year is >> So, someone making $250,000 a year is >> So, someone making $250,000 a year is working class. working class. working class. >> I mean, I I haven't sat at home and >> I mean, I I haven't sat at home and >> I mean, I I haven't sat at home and asked myself where it starts and stops. asked myself where it starts and stops. asked myself where it starts and stops. What I would say is for those who are What I would say is for those who are What I would say is for those who are working to try and afford the basic working to try and afford the basic working to try and afford the basic dignities of life and aren't able to do dignities of life and aren't able to do dignities of life and aren't able to do so, I think that that is also a working so, I think that that is also a working so, I think that that is also a working class. And and often times we're asked class. And and often times we're asked class. And and often times we're asked of how we divide this country. I think of how we divide this country. I think of how we divide this country. I think there's only one majority in this there's only one majority in this there's only one majority in this country. It's the working class. country. It's the working class. country. It's the working class. >> That just doesn't ring true to me. >> That just doesn't ring true to me. >> That just doesn't ring true to me. >> What do you think? >> What do you think? >> What do you think? >> It's less what I think and and more that >> It's less what I think and and more that >> It's less what I think and and more that it just seems a very um it just seems a very um it just seems a very um easy answer to what is a complicated easy answer to what is a complicated easy answer to what is a complicated question because politically if you're question because politically if you're question because politically if you're saying everyone is the working class or saying everyone is the working class or saying everyone is the working class or anyone that gets a salary is the working anyone that gets a salary is the working anyone that gets a salary is the working class, um yes, that opens up your tent.

class, um yes, that opens up your tent. class, um yes, that opens up your tent. But practically speaking, um, we are But practically speaking, um, we are But practically speaking, um, we are divided by income and especially if you divided by income and especially if you divided by income and especially if you want to tax people. Um, where you draw want to tax people. Um, where you draw want to tax people. Um, where you draw those lines matters. I' those lines matters. I' those lines matters. I' >> I've drawn it at about a million dollars >> I've drawn it at about a million dollars >> I've drawn it at about a million dollars a year. a year. a year. >> Okay. So, anyone under a million dollars >> Okay. So, anyone under a million dollars >> Okay. So, anyone under a million dollars a year in income is working class. a year in income is working class. a year in income is working class. >> That's not what I'm saying. I'm just >> That's not what I'm saying. I'm just >> That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying in terms of the practicality when saying in terms of the practicality when saying in terms of the practicality when it comes to fiscal policy, it comes to fiscal policy, it comes to fiscal policy, >> right? I >> right? I >> right? I >> I think a lot of our politics has been a >> I think a lot of our politics has been a >> I think a lot of our politics has been a debate over who you leave out. And I'm debate over who you leave out. And I'm debate over who you leave out. And I'm more interested in debates how you bring more interested in debates how you bring more interested in debates how you bring more in. And I think that that is more in. And I think that that is more in. And I think that that is it's it's part of what I'm looking to be it's it's part of what I'm looking to be it's it's part of what I'm looking to be a part of is a vision where people a part of is a vision where people a part of is a vision where people understand no matter what you call it understand no matter what you call it understand no matter what you call it that there's room for them too. But yes, that there's room for them too. But yes, that there's room for them too. But yes, I do want to raise taxes on people who I do want to raise taxes on people who I do want to raise taxes on people who make more than a million a year. make more than a million a year. make more than a million a year. >> It just feels like someone who is a >> It just feels like someone who is a >> It just feels like someone who is a janitor is going to feel some kind of janitor is going to feel some kind of janitor is going to feel some kind of way about that description if you're way about that description if you're way about that description if you're lumping them in with someone who is a lumping them in with someone who is a lumping them in with someone who is a lawyer. um that feels like um a lawyer. um that feels like um a lawyer. um that feels like um a distinction that might matter. Do you distinction that might matter. Do you distinction that might matter. Do you think everyone's in the same club?

think everyone's in the same club? think everyone's in the same club? >> You know, when I was running, a lot of >> You know, when I was running, a lot of >> You know, when I was running, a lot of the questions I would face is what does the questions I would face is what does the questions I would face is what does it mean to be a democratic socialist? it mean to be a democratic socialist? it mean to be a democratic socialist? And I only bring that up because I think And I only bring that up because I think And I only bring that up because I think sometimes there's a fixation on a sometimes there's a fixation on a sometimes there's a fixation on a definition of something. And what I definition of something. And what I definition of something. And what I found is that when I would knock on New found is that when I would knock on New found is that when I would knock on New Yorkers doors, they would just ask, "Am Yorkers doors, they would just ask, "Am Yorkers doors, they would just ask, "Am I part of your vision? I part of your vision? I part of your vision? It's not that everyone is making the It's not that everyone is making the It's not that everyone is making the same amount of money or facing the same same amount of money or facing the same same amount of money or facing the same amount of struggle, but that they just amount of struggle, but that they just amount of struggle, but that they just want to know that is there any way for want to know that is there any way for want to know that is there any way for them to actually be able to work this them to actually be able to work this them to actually be able to work this hard and afford a good life in this hard and afford a good life in this hard and afford a good life in this city. city. city. >> I've noticed that when >> I've noticed that when >> I've noticed that when I'm trying to get specifics, you deflect I'm trying to get specifics, you deflect I'm trying to get specifics, you deflect to talking about what New Yorkers do and to talking about what New Yorkers do and to talking about what New Yorkers do and don't want. And I have found that don't want. And I have found that don't want. And I have found that politicians in my own experience when I politicians in my own experience when I politicians in my own experience when I ask questions of them that tries well ask questions of them that tries well ask questions of them that tries well when you you are the mayor of New York when you you are the mayor of New York when you you are the mayor of New York City when I try to get them to define City when I try to get them to define City when I try to get them to define something and they don't want to do it something and they don't want to do it something and they don't want to do it >> um they use a very broad brush and so >> um they use a very broad brush and so >> um they use a very broad brush and so what I am really because I do think it's what I am really because I do think it's what I am really because I do think it's at the heart of a very important debate at the heart of a very important debate at the heart of a very important debate in this country.

in this country. in this country. >> Look I I think to me >> Look I I think to me >> Look I I think to me I've defined it to you as as someone who I've defined it to you as as someone who I've defined it to you as as someone who works to afford their life. Mhm. works to afford their life. Mhm. works to afford their life. Mhm. >> I also think no matter how you define >> I also think no matter how you define >> I also think no matter how you define it, it, it, we have an understanding that those who we have an understanding that those who we have an understanding that those who are struggling to afford their rent, are struggling to afford their rent, are struggling to afford their rent, struggling to afford their groceries, struggling to afford their groceries, struggling to afford their groceries, struggling to afford their child care struggling to afford their child care struggling to afford their child care are the people who should be at the are the people who should be at the are the people who should be at the heart of our vision for what comes next. heart of our vision for what comes next. heart of our vision for what comes next. >> So, the other issue that has been >> So, the other issue that has been >> So, the other issue that has been brought up a lot about the DSA is of brought up a lot about the DSA is of brought up a lot about the DSA is of course the vetting that's been taking course the vetting that's been taking course the vetting that's been taking place. Um, and we've just seen Graeme place. Um, and we've just seen Graeme place. Um, and we've just seen Graeme Platner's campaign in Maine implode over Platner's campaign in Maine implode over Platner's campaign in Maine implode over sexual assault allegations. sexual assault allegations. sexual assault allegations. And your top adviser, Morris Katz, was And your top adviser, Morris Katz, was And your top adviser, Morris Katz, was instrumental in in running Platner's instrumental in in running Platner's instrumental in in running Platner's campaign? It's been a pretty huge mess. campaign? It's been a pretty huge mess. campaign? It's been a pretty huge mess. >> Has your faith in Katz diminished? Do >> Has your faith in Katz diminished? Do >> Has your faith in Katz diminished? Do you blame him in part for what happened? you blame him in part for what happened? you blame him in part for what happened? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Why not? I I think that >> Why not? I I think that >> Why not? I I think that first I'll just say when I heard of the first I'll just say when I heard of the first I'll just say when I heard of the incredibly serious accusations that came incredibly serious accusations that came incredibly serious accusations that came forward and I was asked about what forward and I was asked about what forward and I was asked about what should happen next for that campaign, I should happen next for that campaign, I should happen next for that campaign, I said that it should come to an end. And said that it should come to an end. And said that it should come to an end. And I'm thankful that that is what we have I'm thankful that that is what we have I'm thankful that that is what we have seen over these last weeks. And I think seen over these last weeks. And I think seen over these last weeks. And I think when it comes to Morris, he's someone when it comes to Morris, he's someone when it comes to Morris, he's someone who who who puts together puts together puts together a a a way to help candidates who are fighting way to help candidates who are fighting way to help candidates who are fighting for that same vision of dignity for for that same vision of dignity for for that same vision of dignity for working people. And he, I, and so many

working people. And he, I, and so many working people. And he, I, and so many others agree that there is no room, others agree that there is no room, others agree that there is no room, there's no tolerance for sexual violence there's no tolerance for sexual violence there's no tolerance for sexual violence or sexual assault within that. a lot of or sexual assault within that. a lot of or sexual assault within that. a lot of signs along the way that signs along the way that signs along the way that um Graeme Platner had a problematic um Graeme Platner had a problematic um Graeme Platner had a problematic past. And so past. And so past. And so someone who was so instrumental in his someone who was so instrumental in his someone who was so instrumental in his campaign and in his rise, campaign and in his rise, campaign and in his rise, um shouldn't he be judged for that? um shouldn't he be judged for that? um shouldn't he be judged for that? I think he should be judged by his I think he should be judged by his I think he should be judged by his decision at the end of it, which is to decision at the end of it, which is to decision at the end of it, which is to walk away from that campaign as soon as walk away from that campaign as soon as walk away from that campaign as soon as it was one that could be wrapped up. it was one that could be wrapped up. it was one that could be wrapped up. two big picture questions about two big picture questions about two big picture questions about you and your organization and whatever you and your organization and whatever you and your organization and whatever coalition you're trying to build because coalition you're trying to build because coalition you're trying to build because you've clearly said you want to have you've clearly said you want to have you've clearly said you want to have people who you agree with or that people who you agree with or that people who you agree with or that support your vision um in places of support your vision um in places of support your vision um in places of power that you can work with. power that you can work with. power that you can work with. >> There are moderates in the Democratic >> There are moderates in the Democratic >> There are moderates in the Democratic party who've called to expel the DSA um party who've called to expel the DSA um party who've called to expel the DSA um from the Democratic coalition. And I from the Democratic coalition. And I from the Democratic coalition. And I want to flip that around.

want to flip that around. want to flip that around. >> Is there room in the party you want to >> Is there room in the party you want to >> Is there room in the party you want to create from moderate Democrats? create from moderate Democrats? create from moderate Democrats? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I full stop. I'm not interested in >> I full stop. I'm not interested in >> I full stop. I'm not interested in expelling people from parties. I think expelling people from parties. I think expelling people from parties. I think that's what you do when you can't win that's what you do when you can't win that's what you do when you can't win the debate within the party. even if the debate within the party. even if the debate within the party. even if they work with Apac. Look, they work with Apac. Look, they work with Apac. Look, >> if they are Democrats and they run as >> if they are Democrats and they run as >> if they are Democrats and they run as Democrats and they win as Democrats and Democrats and they win as Democrats and Democrats and they win as Democrats and they should be a part of the Democratic they should be a part of the Democratic they should be a part of the Democratic party party party and I've, you know, I have politics is and I've, you know, I have politics is and I've, you know, I have politics is also the art of making the principled also the art of making the principled also the art of making the principled possible. That's what it should be. And possible. That's what it should be. And possible. That's what it should be. And there are people with whom I have there are people with whom I have there are people with whom I have vehement disagreements with on any vehement disagreements with on any vehement disagreements with on any number of topics. But if we can find a number of topics. But if we can find a number of topics. But if we can find a place of agreement, that's what I'm place of agreement, that's what I'm place of agreement, that's what I'm going to focus that relationship on. If going to focus that relationship on. If going to focus that relationship on. If you're just looking for people who you you're just looking for people who you you're just looking for people who you agree with and everything, then you agree with and everything, then you agree with and everything, then you might as well just stay home and look at might as well just stay home and look at might as well just stay home and look at a mirror. a mirror. a mirror. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I have a big question inspired um also I have a big question inspired um also I have a big question inspired um also um by my colleagues interview of MC um by my colleagues interview of MC um by my colleagues interview of MC Jagger. Jagger. Jagger. >> Wow. I didn't see the segue coming. >> Wow. I didn't see the segue coming. >> Wow. I didn't see the segue coming. >> Yeah, there you go. It took a turn. Um >> Yeah, there you go. It took a turn. Um >> Yeah, there you go. It took a turn. Um in that interview, Jagger said, "You in that interview, Jagger said, "You in that interview, Jagger said, "You have to have a big ego to be a rock have to have a big ego to be a rock have to have a big ego to be a rock star."

star." star." And it made me wonder after having And it made me wonder after having And it made me wonder after having interviewed many politicians interviewed many politicians interviewed many politicians what personality traits you actually what personality traits you actually what personality traits you actually think you need to have to be a think you need to have to be a think you need to have to be a successful politician because you are successful politician because you are successful politician because you are considered now to be one of the most considered now to be one of the most considered now to be one of the most successful politicians. successful politicians. successful politicians. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And especially in an era >> And especially in an era >> And especially in an era where politics is pretty brutal. where politics is pretty brutal. where politics is pretty brutal. >> What are the character traits you have >> What are the character traits you have >> What are the character traits you have to have? to have? to have? >> Yeah. What are the what are the >> Yeah. What are the what are the >> Yeah. What are the what are the character traits that you think you need character traits that you think you need character traits that you think you need to have? I think there is some level of to have? I think there is some level of to have? I think there is some level of absurdity that you have to have as a absurdity that you have to have as a absurdity that you have to have as a part of yourself to believe that it part of yourself to believe that it part of yourself to believe that it should be you. Um, what I think is should be you. Um, what I think is should be you. Um, what I think is critically important, especially now, is critically important, especially now, is critically important, especially now, is an honesty. An honesty about what you an honesty. An honesty about what you an honesty. An honesty about what you believe, what you're fighting for, and believe, what you're fighting for, and believe, what you're fighting for, and that you can hold that honesty, that you can hold that honesty, that you can hold that honesty, especially with people with whom you especially with people with whom you especially with people with whom you disagree with. disagree with. disagree with. >> You mean principle? >> You mean principle? >> You mean principle? >> Yes. It's it's both principled, but it's >> Yes. It's it's both principled, but it's >> Yes. It's it's both principled, but it's um even if you have an unprincipled um even if you have an unprincipled um even if you have an unprincipled position that you can be honest about it position that you can be honest about it position that you can be honest about it because I think that what New Yorkers because I think that what New Yorkers because I think that what New Yorkers and what Americans are looking for is and what Americans are looking for is and what Americans are looking for is that they can trust whether or not they that they can trust whether or not they that they can trust whether or not they like you or agree with you. They can like you or agree with you. They can like you or agree with you. They can trust what it is that you stand for. And trust what it is that you stand for. And trust what it is that you stand for. And I found that there were a lot of people I found that there were a lot of people I found that there were a lot of people when I was running for mayor who would when I was running for mayor who would when I was running for mayor who would name a few things that they disagreed name a few things that they disagreed name a few things that they disagreed with me on, but they also appreciated with me on, but they also appreciated with me on, but they also appreciated they could rattle off exactly what my they could rattle off exactly what my they could rattle off exactly what my campaign was about. I also think you campaign was about. I also think you campaign was about. I also think you have to be able to explain what it is

have to be able to explain what it is have to be able to explain what it is that what it is that you're doing and that what it is that you're doing and that what it is that you're doing and why you're doing it. why you're doing it. why you're doing it. >> Oftenimes it seems like >> Oftenimes it seems like >> Oftenimes it seems like the only answer is power and that's not the only answer is power and that's not the only answer is power and that's not a good answer. That can't be a good a good answer. That can't be a good a good answer. That can't be a good answer. It has to be who are you answer. It has to be who are you answer. It has to be who are you fighting for and why and how? And and I fighting for and why and how? And and I fighting for and why and how? And and I think those are questions that too often think those are questions that too often think those are questions that too often trip people up. trip people up. trip people up. >> You know, um if I think about you and >> You know, um if I think about you and >> You know, um if I think about you and President Trump, um President Trump, um President Trump, um there's I'm going somewhere here. there's I'm going somewhere here. there's I'm going somewhere here. >> MC Jagger. >> MC Jagger. >> MC Jagger. >> MC Jagger. President Trump. >> MC Jagger. President Trump. >> MC Jagger. President Trump. >> No, but if I these are people who have >> No, but if I these are people who have >> No, but if I these are people who have um power, charisma, have been polit um um power, charisma, have been polit um um power, charisma, have been polit um successful. President Trump, you know, successful. President Trump, you know, successful. President Trump, you know, he has a particular persona that is he has a particular persona that is he has a particular persona that is about sort of um vengeance and anger and about sort of um vengeance and anger and about sort of um vengeance and anger and fighting for his followers, but it has a fighting for his followers, but it has a fighting for his followers, but it has a certain certain certain um tenor. um tenor. um tenor. >> You're known for smiling a lot, which I >> You're known for smiling a lot, which I >> You're known for smiling a lot, which I can attest to in this interview.

can attest to in this interview. can attest to in this interview. >> And I wonder just about the political >> And I wonder just about the political >> And I wonder just about the political philosophy behind that. Apart from just philosophy behind that. Apart from just philosophy behind that. Apart from just the personality trait, perhaps you're the personality trait, perhaps you're the personality trait, perhaps you're just a naturally optimistic soul. But um just a naturally optimistic soul. But um just a naturally optimistic soul. But um there does seem to be both successful there does seem to be both successful there does seem to be both successful models um but different. I I wish I could say that I adopted this I I wish I could say that I adopted this as part of a political project. But I as part of a political project. But I as part of a political project. But I have to credit more my my parents and my have to credit more my my parents and my have to credit more my my parents and my grandparents because it was something grandparents because it was something grandparents because it was something that they encouraged as I was a kid was that they encouraged as I was a kid was that they encouraged as I was a kid was that smiling was that smiling was that smiling was was the way to express yourself. And was the way to express yourself. And was the way to express yourself. And I think in both of these instances I think in both of these instances I think in both of these instances though what you're describing is that though what you're describing is that though what you're describing is that you are showing something to the world you are showing something to the world you are showing something to the world about who you are, what you're for, how about who you are, what you're for, how about who you are, what you're for, how it makes you feel. And I think often it makes you feel. And I think often it makes you feel. And I think often times it feels like politicians are times it feels like politicians are times it feels like politicians are blank canvases and everyone else is blank canvases and everyone else is blank canvases and everyone else is supposed to paint them in. And I think supposed to paint them in. And I think supposed to paint them in. And I think it's time to show people this is who I it's time to show people this is who I it's time to show people this is who I am. Maybe you don't like it, maybe you am. Maybe you don't like it, maybe you am. Maybe you don't like it, maybe you do like it, but this is me. And at least do like it, but this is me. And at least do like it, but this is me. And at least we can work off of a shared we can work off of a shared we can work off of a shared understanding of of who that is.

understanding of of who that is. understanding of of who that is. >> Speaking of you, um >> Speaking of you, um >> Speaking of you, um uh I want to understand a little bit of uh I want to understand a little bit of uh I want to understand a little bit of the personal side of what it means to be the personal side of what it means to be the personal side of what it means to be mayor. Um, mayor. Um, mayor. Um, your wife obviously Rama Duaji is only your wife obviously Rama Duaji is only your wife obviously Rama Duaji is only 29. You're only 34. You met on Hinge. 29. You're only 34. You met on Hinge. 29. You're only 34. You met on Hinge. >> We did. >> We did. >> We did. >> You got married just last year. We did. >> You got married just last year. We did. >> You got married just last year. We did. >> This seems like a lot. >> This seems like a lot. >> This seems like a lot. >> It is. >> It is. >> It is. >> Um, now you're both living in Gracie >> Um, now you're both living in Gracie >> Um, now you're both living in Gracie Mansion. I mean, what has the first year Mansion. I mean, what has the first year Mansion. I mean, what has the first year of navigating of navigating of navigating being newly weds, being recently being newly weds, being recently being newly weds, being recently married, and also this waving hands in married, and also this waving hands in married, and also this waving hands in the air? the air? the air? >> It's It's a lot. And I wouldn't want to >> It's It's a lot. And I wouldn't want to >> It's It's a lot. And I wouldn't want to do it with anyone else. It's do it with anyone else. It's do it with anyone else. It's to be married to the love of my life to be married to the love of my life to be married to the love of my life while leading the city that I love. I while leading the city that I love. I while leading the city that I love. I can't really ask for more. And can't really ask for more. And can't really ask for more. And in her, I've found someone who in her, I've found someone who in her, I've found someone who is is an oasis.

is an oasis. And it's I think it's it's And it's I think it's it's And it's I think it's it's I'm I'm just forever thankful for it. I'm I'm just forever thankful for it. I'm I'm just forever thankful for it. >> But normally in a in a first year >> But normally in a in a first year >> But normally in a in a first year marriage, you're fighting over who puts marriage, you're fighting over who puts marriage, you're fighting over who puts the toothbrush in and you're not the toothbrush in and you're not the toothbrush in and you're not deciding how you're going to be mayor deciding how you're going to be mayor deciding how you're going to be mayor and first lady. and first lady. and first lady. >> I think there's some particular >> I think there's some particular >> I think there's some particular conversations that we have, but in many conversations that we have, but in many conversations that we have, but in many ways, the beauty of our life is that it ways, the beauty of our life is that it ways, the beauty of our life is that it still feels as if it is our life. still feels as if it is our life. still feels as if it is our life. >> Do you think the scrutiny she's getting >> Do you think the scrutiny she's getting >> Do you think the scrutiny she's getting is fair? is fair? is fair? >> No, >> No, >> No, I think it's I think this goes back to an earlier I think this goes back to an earlier part of our conversation, which is what we sign up for and also what I what we sign up for and also what I think in many ways is also an antiquated think in many ways is also an antiquated think in many ways is also an antiquated understanding of what a politician's understanding of what a politician's understanding of what a politician's wife is supposed to be. She is her own wife is supposed to be. She is her own wife is supposed to be. She is her own person. She's an incredible artist. And person. She's an incredible artist. And person. She's an incredible artist. And yet so much of how she engages with the yet so much of how she engages with the yet so much of how she engages with the world today is framed through her being world today is framed through her being world today is framed through her being my wife.

my wife. my wife. And some of the most joyous moments I And some of the most joyous moments I And some of the most joyous moments I have are when people come up to me and have are when people come up to me and have are when people come up to me and tell me that they love Rama's art tell me that they love Rama's art tell me that they love Rama's art because that's what she is. She's an because that's what she is. She's an because that's what she is. She's an artist. Yes, she's my wife, but artist. Yes, she's my wife, but artist. Yes, she's my wife, but you know that's what she does. I'm you know that's what she does. I'm you know that's what she does. I'm someone she loves. someone she loves. someone she loves. >> Last question. You're presiding over a >> Last question. You're presiding over a >> Last question. You're presiding over a real vibe shift in New York City. Um, as real vibe shift in New York City. Um, as real vibe shift in New York City. Um, as one New Yorker said to me, it's a little one New Yorker said to me, it's a little one New Yorker said to me, it's a little more fun to live here now. The Knicks more fun to live here now. The Knicks more fun to live here now. The Knicks won Taylor Swift's wedding, the World won Taylor Swift's wedding, the World won Taylor Swift's wedding, the World Cup. By the way, were you invited to Cup. By the way, were you invited to Cup. By the way, were you invited to Taylor Swift's wedding? Taylor Swift's wedding? Taylor Swift's wedding? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> You weren't even invited. >> You weren't even invited. >> You weren't even invited. >> And I think it's okay. >> And I think it's okay. >> And I think it's okay. >> No, no, it's okay. I know you didn't go, >> No, no, it's okay. I know you didn't go, >> No, no, it's okay. I know you didn't go, but I wasn't sure if you'd been invited. but I wasn't sure if you'd been invited. but I wasn't sure if you'd been invited. >> I mean, you're New York's main hype man >> I mean, you're New York's main hype man >> I mean, you're New York's main hype man now. How do you keep it going after the now. How do you keep it going after the now. How do you keep it going after the parties end? parties end? parties end? >> I don't think it has to. I think that >> I don't think it has to. I think that >> I don't think it has to. I think that living in the city can be something that living in the city can be something that living in the city can be something that is fun no matter what's happening around is fun no matter what's happening around is fun no matter what's happening around us. And it's also part of a vision of us. And it's also part of a vision of us. And it's also part of a vision of when you fight for working people, it when you fight for working people, it when you fight for working people, it just it can't just be so that they just it can't just be so that they just it can't just be so that they afford their home and their groceries afford their home and their groceries afford their home and their groceries and their child care. It also has to go and their child care. It also has to go and their child care. It also has to go back to the old labor adage of 8 hours back to the old labor adage of 8 hours back to the old labor adage of 8 hours for rest, 8 hours for work, 8 hours to for rest, 8 hours for work, 8 hours to for rest, 8 hours for work, 8 hours to do what you will. We have to also make do what you will. We have to also make do what you will. We have to also make this a place where people can enjoy this a place where people can enjoy this a place where people can enjoy themselves. And that too has to be themselves. And that too has to be themselves. And that too has to be something that's affordable. As much as something that's affordable. As much as something that's affordable. As much as it's important that we are giving 2,000 it's important that we are giving 2,000 it's important that we are giving 2,000 2-year-olds free child care this fall, 2-year-olds free child care this fall, 2-year-olds free child care this fall, it's also important that we have a night it's also important that we have a night it's also important that we have a night coming up where parents can have child

coming up where parents can have child coming up where parents can have child care so that they can go out and care so that they can go out and care so that they can go out and celebrate. And that's why it was it was celebrate. And that's why it was it was celebrate. And that's why it was it was a real part of my focus in our a real part of my focus in our a real part of my focus in our conversations with FIFA and the host conversations with FIFA and the host conversations with FIFA and the host committee that we would secure a committee that we would secure a committee that we would secure a thousand tickets for $50, that we would thousand tickets for $50, that we would thousand tickets for $50, that we would make fanfests, which were previously make fanfests, which were previously make fanfests, which were previously going to charge money, we would make going to charge money, we would make going to charge money, we would make them free, that we would have 24/7 them free, that we would have 24/7 them free, that we would have 24/7 soccer fields, that we would extend the soccer fields, that we would extend the soccer fields, that we would extend the lighting hours at basketball courts. We lighting hours at basketball courts. We lighting hours at basketball courts. We have to also make this a place where have to also make this a place where have to also make this a place where people want to live here because of what people want to live here because of what people want to live here because of what they feel like when they do live here. they feel like when they do live here. they feel like when they do live here. And it's an honor to be someone who gets And it's an honor to be someone who gets And it's an honor to be someone who gets to share what makes this city so special to share what makes this city so special to share what makes this city so special with the rest of the world. And we say with the rest of the world. And we say with the rest of the world. And we say welcome home. welcome home. welcome home. >> All right, Mayor Zora Mani, thank you so >> All right, Mayor Zora Mani, thank you so >> All right, Mayor Zora Mani, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for having much for your time. Thank you for having much for your time. Thank you for having me. I apologize for the cough. me. I apologize for the cough. me. I apologize for the cough. >> Not at all. >> Not at all. >> Not at all. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I'm Lulu Garcia Navaro >> I'm Lulu Garcia Navaro >> and I'm David Marques >> and I'm David Marques >> and I'm David Marques >> and we're the hosts of The Interview, an >> and we're the hosts of The Interview, an >> and we're the hosts of The Interview, an audio and video podcast from the New audio and video podcast from the New audio and video podcast from the New York Times. Every week we interview York Times. Every week we interview York Times. Every week we interview fascinating and influential people from fascinating and influential people from fascinating and influential people from all walks of life.

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