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The Interview June 16, 2026 2m

Would Mike Johnson Pass Raphael Warnock’s Test?

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  1. House Speaker Mike Johnson spent a lot House Speaker Mike Johnson spent a lot of time praying in the Capitol's chapel of time praying in the Capitol's chapel of time praying in the Capitol's chapel in advance of the passing of the one big in advance of the passing of the one big in advance of the passing of the one big beautiful bill, which is a bill that you beautiful bill, which is a bill that you beautiful bill, which is a bill that you describe as Robin Hood in reverse. He's describe as Robin Hood in reverse. He's describe as Robin Hood in reverse. He's robbing the poor to to give to the robbing the poor to to give to the robbing the poor to to give to the wealthy. It's was interesting to me that wealthy. It's was interesting to me that wealthy. It's was interesting to me that I didn't really I didn't really I didn't really feel like in the book you you directly feel like in the book you you directly feel like in the book you you directly grappled with the question of how you grappled with the question of how you grappled with the question of how you understand when understand when understand when fellow believers fellow believers fellow believers take positions that that you can't take positions that that you can't take positions that that you can't morally abide. morally abide. morally abide. >> For me the the acid test >> For me the the acid test >> For me the the acid test of one's faith is the depth of your of one's faith is the depth of your of one's faith is the depth of your commitment to the people who are on the commitment to the people who are on the commitment to the people who are on the margins. margins. margins. And um And um And um I'm a Matthew 25 Christian. I'm a Matthew 25 Christian. I'm a Matthew 25 Christian. >> What you do unto the least of us you do >> What you do unto the least of us you do >> What you do unto the least of us you do unto me. unto me. unto me. >> You do unto me. >> You do unto me. >> You do unto me. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And so I don't understand how you read >> And so I don't understand how you read >> And so I don't understand how you read that, that, that, say a long prayer, say a long prayer, say a long prayer, you know, you know, hold hands with your you know, you know, hold hands with your you know, you know, hold hands with your fellow legislators, fellow legislators, fellow legislators, and then cut a trillion dollars, $1 and then cut a trillion dollars, $1 and then cut a trillion dollars, $1 trillion, out of Medicaid, calling it trillion, out of Medicaid, calling it trillion, out of Medicaid, calling it waste, fraud, and abuse.

  2. What are you saying about those people? What are you saying about those people? And so in light of that, And so in light of that, And so in light of that, for me for me for me um I have to ask whether the religion um I have to ask whether the religion um I have to ask whether the religion >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> is more performative than substantive. >> is more performative than substantive. >> is more performative than substantive. And so And so And so I think that the speaker has a certain I think that the speaker has a certain I think that the speaker has a certain agenda agenda agenda and a certain view. and a certain view. and a certain view. And it is what that you know, I think I And it is what that you know, I think I And it is what that you know, I think I think that that's that that think that that's that that think that that's that that that obviously plays a huge role. And that obviously plays a huge role. And that obviously plays a huge role. And there's a there's a long history of there's a there's a long history of there's a there's a long history of that. that. that. I mean, you know, the I mean, you know, the I mean, you know, the there were many Christians on the wrong there were many Christians on the wrong there were many Christians on the wrong side of slavery. side of slavery. side of slavery. They were on the wrong side of Jim Crow They were on the wrong side of Jim Crow They were on the wrong side of Jim Crow segregation. segregation. segregation. And so part of And so part of And so part of the obligation, I think, of a person of the obligation, I think, of a person of the obligation, I think, of a person of faith faith faith is to ask yourself, what are you is to ask yourself, what are you is to ask yourself, what are you actually worshipping? actually worshipping? actually worshipping? What are you actually committed to? What are you actually committed to? What are you actually committed to? Are you committed to the poor? Are you Are you committed to the poor? Are you Are you committed to the poor? Are you committed to the despised and the committed to the despised and the committed to the despised and the rejected?

  3. rejected? rejected? Would Jesus agree with the actions of Would Jesus agree with the actions of Would Jesus agree with the actions of ICE ICE ICE in this moment in this moment in this moment in which we're seeing organized cruelty in which we're seeing organized cruelty in which we're seeing organized cruelty on our streets, masked men jumping out on our streets, masked men jumping out on our streets, masked men jumping out of unmarked cars, of unmarked cars, of unmarked cars, separating families, separating families, separating families, terrorizing whole communities of people, terrorizing whole communities of people, terrorizing whole communities of people, whether they're whether they're whether they're documented or not, whether they're documented or not, whether they're documented or not, whether they're citizens or not. What is it in the citizens or not. What is it in the citizens or not. What is it in the gospel, gospel, gospel, I would ask my colleagues, what is it in I would ask my colleagues, what is it in I would ask my colleagues, what is it in the gospel the gospel the gospel that says that this is this is right? that says that this is this is right? that says that this is this is right? Do unto others as you would have them do Do unto others as you would have them do Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Summary

The conversation scrutinizes Speaker Mike Johnson's prayers and legislative actions, particularly a bill characterized as "Robin Hood in reverse," questioning the sincerity of faith when policies harm the marginalized, referencing Matthew 25 and the Golden Rule. The practical conclusion is that genuine faith's "acid test" lies in commitment to the vulnerable, and actions should reflect this over performative piety.

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