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The Interview June 15, 2026 2m

Raphael Warnock on JD Vance’s ‘Callousness’ and ‘Hubris’

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  1. There's a a lot of discussion There's a a lot of discussion on the right about on the right about on the right about Christianity being under attack in this Christianity being under attack in this Christianity being under attack in this country. Um country. Um country. Um Vice President Vance, for example, talks Vice President Vance, for example, talks Vice President Vance, for example, talks about a a war being waged on Christians about a a war being waged on Christians about a a war being waged on Christians in the United States. in the United States. in the United States. Do Do Do Do you understand where that perception Do you understand where that perception Do you understand where that perception comes from? comes from? comes from? >> Yeah, well, who's waging the war? >> Yeah, well, who's waging the war? >> Yeah, well, who's waging the war? >> Well, he would say, another thing he >> Well, he would say, another thing he >> Well, he would say, another thing he said is that the left has labored to said is that the left has labored to said is that the left has labored to push Christianity out of national life. push Christianity out of national life. push Christianity out of national life. >> think >> think >> think I think I think I think that war on Christianity my view of the that war on Christianity my view of the that war on Christianity my view of the faith faith faith >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> is cutting a trillion dollars out of >> is cutting a trillion dollars out of >> is cutting a trillion dollars out of Medicaid. Medicaid. Medicaid. Jesus spent much of his ministry, read Jesus spent much of his ministry, read Jesus spent much of his ministry, read the Gospels, healing the sick. the Gospels, healing the sick. the Gospels, healing the sick. Even those with pre-existing conditions, Even those with pre-existing conditions, Even those with pre-existing conditions, that's what leprosy was. He never billed that's what leprosy was. He never billed that's what leprosy was. He never billed them for his services. They're taking them for his services. They're taking them for his services. They're taking healthcare away. That's what a war on healthcare away. That's what a war on healthcare away. That's what a war on Christianity looks like to me. Christianity looks like to me. Christianity looks like to me. I often say that I'm not a senator I often say that I'm not a senator I often say that I'm not a senator who used to be a pastor. who used to be a pastor. who used to be a pastor. I'm a pastor in the Senate. I'm a pastor in the Senate. I'm a pastor in the Senate. But this pastor who serves in the Senate But this pastor who serves in the Senate But this pastor who serves in the Senate does not does not does not want to live in anybody's theocracy.

  2. want to live in anybody's theocracy. want to live in anybody's theocracy. Christian, Jewish, Christian, Jewish, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, I don't want to live in anybody's I don't want to live in anybody's I don't want to live in anybody's theocracy. theocracy. theocracy. And um And um And um what they are asserting is a kind of what they are asserting is a kind of what they are asserting is a kind of dangerous dangerous dangerous Christian nationalism. I I'm struck by Christian nationalism. I I'm struck by Christian nationalism. I I'm struck by by J.D. Vance, by J.D. Vance, by J.D. Vance, you know, saying he's defending the you know, saying he's defending the you know, saying he's defending the faith on the one hand, but he seems faith on the one hand, but he seems faith on the one hand, but he seems more than willing to attack the Pope more than willing to attack the Pope more than willing to attack the Pope when the Pope doesn't agree with his when the Pope doesn't agree with his when the Pope doesn't agree with his politics politics politics or when the Pope is just calling us to or when the Pope is just calling us to or when the Pope is just calling us to think about peace. think about peace. think about peace. I mean, did you hear him? He He I mean, did you hear him? He He I mean, did you hear him? He He literally said literally said literally said uh you know, the Pope needs to be uh you know, the Pope needs to be uh you know, the Pope needs to be careful when he's talking about careful when he's talking about careful when he's talking about theology. theology. theology. J.D. Vance, [laughter] J.D. Vance, [laughter] J.D. Vance, [laughter] who is the newly converted who is the newly converted who is the newly converted Catholic uh and writes a whole book Catholic uh and writes a whole book Catholic uh and writes a whole book talking about his conversion, which talking about his conversion, which talking about his conversion, which in and of itself is interesting to me. in and of itself is interesting to me. in and of itself is interesting to me. Um Um Um uh uh uh you know, seem more than than willing to you know, seem more than than willing to you know, seem more than than willing to attack the Pope and say that he needs to attack the Pope and say that he needs to attack the Pope and say that he needs to be careful about talking about theology.

  3. be careful about talking about theology. be careful about talking about theology. He's already instructing the Pope He's already instructing the Pope He's already instructing the Pope on how to be a good Pope. on how to be a good Pope. on how to be a good Pope. And so I I think you see the um And so I I think you see the um And so I I think you see the um >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> the callousness, I think you see the >> the callousness, I think you see the >> the callousness, I think you see the hubris, hubris, hubris, the willingness the willingness the willingness to attack the church and the Pope to attack the church and the Pope to attack the church and the Pope himself if it gets in the way with his himself if it gets in the way with his himself if it gets in the way with his in the way of his political agenda. in the way of his political agenda. in the way of his political agenda. I'm not impressed.

Summary

The discussion centers on the perception of Christianity being under attack, particularly from the left, referencing J.D. Vance's claims and comparing political actions to Jesus' ministry. The takeaway is that actions like cutting healthcare funding are a concrete example of a "war on Christianity," and the speaker criticizes Christian nationalism and those who attack religious leaders for political gain.

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