Ex-CIA Agent Speaks Out: JFK, 9-11, UAPs, MLK, MKUltra & Everything Trump Is Hiding

Thanks a lot for doing this. How long Thanks a lot for doing this. How long were you at CIA? were you at CIA? were you at CIA? >> I joined the CIA in 2013. I was in the >> I joined the CIA in 2013. I was in the >> I joined the CIA in 2013. I was in the State Department before that. Private State Department before that. Private State Department before that. Private sector. I served a second Ranger sector. I served a second Ranger sector. I served a second Ranger Battalion before that. Battalion before that. Battalion before that. >> Second Ranger Battalion, State >> Second Ranger Battalion, State >> Second Ranger Battalion, State Department, CIA. When did you leave CIA? Department, CIA. When did you leave CIA? Department, CIA. When did you leave CIA? >> I retired on 30 June, so real recently. >> I retired on 30 June, so real recently. >> I retired on 30 June, so real recently. >> Month ago. >> Month ago. >> Month ago. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. Yep. Um, last year you became a Um, last year you became a Um, last year you became a whistleblower. whistleblower. whistleblower. >> It was before last year, but yes. Um, I >> It was before last year, but yes. Um, I >> It was before last year, but yes. Um, I think it started long before last year think it started long before last year think it started long before last year and it had to do with vaccine mandates, and it had to do with vaccine mandates, and it had to do with vaccine mandates, which is a separate topic from co which is a separate topic from co which is a separate topic from co origins, but yes. origins, but yes. origins, but yes. >> Um, you you first came to my attention >> Um, you you first came to my attention >> Um, you you first came to my attention anyway for and thank you for fighting anyway for and thank you for fighting anyway for and thank you for fighting vaccine mandates, one of the most evil vaccine mandates, one of the most evil vaccine mandates, one of the most evil things this country's ever done. Um, but things this country's ever done. Um, but things this country's ever done. Um, but COVID origins, you just you went very COVID origins, you just you went very COVID origins, you just you went very public. You testified in the Congress. public. You testified in the Congress. public. You testified in the Congress. Why did you decide to do that? Why did you decide to do that? Why did you decide to do that? >> Well, there's a subpoena that helps make >> Well, there's a subpoena that helps make >> Well, there's a subpoena that helps make a decision process. a decision process. a decision process. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, no, but in all in all honesty, I I >> So, no, but in all in all honesty, I I >> So, no, but in all in all honesty, I I came forward um and I had done a came forward um and I had done a came forward um and I had done a transcribed interview for 6 hours and 40 transcribed interview for 6 hours and 40 transcribed interview for 6 hours and 40 minutes be behind closed doors with uh minutes be behind closed doors with uh minutes be behind closed doors with uh the Homeland Security and Government the Homeland Security and Government the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee when it looked like Affairs Committee when it looked like Affairs Committee when it looked like that the CIA was obstructing our that the CIA was obstructing our that the CIA was obstructing our investigation. when it looked like um investigation. when it looked like um investigation. when it looked like um every obstacle was being put in place.

every obstacle was being put in place. every obstacle was being put in place. Um when the subpoena came, I was frankly Um when the subpoena came, I was frankly Um when the subpoena came, I was frankly I was happy to go. I was happy to to I was happy to go. I was happy to to I was happy to go. I was happy to to speak publicly. speak publicly. speak publicly. >> But then you become I mean you're in a >> But then you become I mean you're in a >> But then you become I mean you're in a different category once you do that. I different category once you do that. I different category once you do that. I think um that's a big decision, isn't think um that's a big decision, isn't think um that's a big decision, isn't it? it? it? >> It is. It is. You know, I I had I hate >> It is. It is. You know, I I had I hate >> It is. It is. You know, I I had I hate to say it, I had some practice with the to say it, I had some practice with the to say it, I had some practice with the co COVID vaccine mandates and and co COVID vaccine mandates and and co COVID vaccine mandates and and frankly, you know, maybe we'll be frankly, you know, maybe we'll be frankly, you know, maybe we'll be touching on this earlier, but that story touching on this earlier, but that story touching on this earlier, but that story that came out publicly uh on May 13th in that came out publicly uh on May 13th in that came out publicly uh on May 13th in front of uh Senator Ran Paul's front of uh Senator Ran Paul's front of uh Senator Ran Paul's committee, um I had passed that story to committee, um I had passed that story to committee, um I had passed that story to the Senate Select Committee of on the Senate Select Committee of on the Senate Select Committee of on Intelligence in April of 2024. I'd also Intelligence in April of 2024. I'd also Intelligence in April of 2024. I'd also given it to the home uh to the House given it to the home uh to the House given it to the home uh to the House Permanent Select Committee on Permanent Select Committee on Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, two oversight bodies in Intelligence, two oversight bodies in Intelligence, two oversight bodies in 2023. And the first time I came and 2023. And the first time I came and 2023. And the first time I came and spoke to the House Permanent Select spoke to the House Permanent Select spoke to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on CO origins Committee on Intelligence on CO origins Committee on Intelligence on CO origins was actually in November of 2021. Now, was actually in November of 2021. Now, was actually in November of 2021. Now, the story was a little different then, the story was a little different then, the story was a little different then, but I came forward multiple times trying but I came forward multiple times trying but I came forward multiple times trying to to to let them know that we're being lied to.

let them know that we're being lied to. let them know that we're being lied to. So those two committees you you So those two committees you you So those two committees you you pronounced their for I mean you spelled pronounced their for I mean you spelled pronounced their for I mean you spelled out their formal names but just the out their formal names but just the out their formal names but just the house and senate intel committees the house and senate intel committees the house and senate intel committees the oversight committ this is the oversight committ this is the oversight committ this is the legislative branches oversight of the legislative branches oversight of the legislative branches oversight of the most powerful arguably the most powerful most powerful arguably the most powerful most powerful arguably the most powerful agencies in the government agencies in the government agencies in the government >> which have very little civilian control >> which have very little civilian control >> which have very little civilian control particularly CIA I think there only particularly CIA I think there only particularly CIA I think there only other what three appointees at CIA other what three appointees at CIA other what three appointees at CIA >> I believe three appointees which is in >> I believe three appointees which is in >> I believe three appointees which is in my opinion not enough. Oh, it's totally my opinion not enough. Oh, it's totally my opinion not enough. Oh, it's totally crazy cuz it means whoever's elected by crazy cuz it means whoever's elected by crazy cuz it means whoever's elected by the public doesn't have any control over the public doesn't have any control over the public doesn't have any control over this agency, which I think is proven this agency, which I think is proven this agency, which I think is proven true. But anyway, the control is true. But anyway, the control is true. But anyway, the control is supposed to come from the Congress in supposed to come from the Congress in supposed to come from the Congress in the form of these two committees. the form of these two committees. the form of these two committees. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So when you tell them something really >> So when you tell them something really >> So when you tell them something really rotten is happening in CIA where you rotten is happening in CIA where you rotten is happening in CIA where you work, you expect they're going to do work, you expect they're going to do work, you expect they're going to do something about it. something about it. something about it. >> I did and I think >> I did and I think >> I did and I think CO opened my eyes. Um I was naive. I was CO opened my eyes. Um I was naive. I was CO opened my eyes. Um I was naive. I was uh I was an operations officer. So I I uh I was an operations officer. So I I uh I was an operations officer. So I I didn't I most of the time I spent most didn't I most of the time I spent most didn't I most of the time I spent most of my time out in the field uh of my time out in the field uh of my time out in the field uh collecting intelligence, recruiting collecting intelligence, recruiting collecting intelligence, recruiting spies. That was my job. I was not an spies. That was my job. I was not an spies. That was my job. I was not an analyst. I was not collecting other analyst. I was not collecting other analyst. I was not collecting other people's intelligence and turning it people's intelligence and turning it people's intelligence and turning it into finished intelligence.

into finished intelligence. into finished intelligence. >> And I was a bit naive about the >> And I was a bit naive about the >> And I was a bit naive about the >> You were doing the traditional work. >> You were doing the traditional work. >> You were doing the traditional work. When people hear the term CIA, they When people hear the term CIA, they When people hear the term CIA, they think of what you were doing for a think of what you were doing for a think of what you were doing for a living. Yes. living. Yes. living. Yes. >> Which is not what most people there do. >> Which is not what most people there do. >> Which is not what most people there do. >> Correct. Correct. um you know the >> Correct. Correct. um you know the >> Correct. Correct. um you know the director of operations does the conducts director of operations does the conducts director of operations does the conducts the operations for the agency. We the operations for the agency. We the operations for the agency. We collect the intelligence and and this is collect the intelligence and and this is collect the intelligence and and this is why this whole why this whole why this whole >> living in foreign countries. >> living in foreign countries. >> living in foreign countries. >> Correct. You know I I was gifted many >> Correct. You know I I was gifted many >> Correct. You know I I was gifted many things uh from the agency. I was gifted things uh from the agency. I was gifted things uh from the agency. I was gifted Mandarin language training, Arabic Mandarin language training, Arabic Mandarin language training, Arabic language training. Um probably could use language training. Um probably could use language training. Um probably could use some brush up on Arabic, but my some brush up on Arabic, but my some brush up on Arabic, but my Mandarin's still pretty good. Um you Mandarin's still pretty good. Um you Mandarin's still pretty good. Um you know, and they they give us a lot of know, and they they give us a lot of know, and they they give us a lot of authority to live and work overseas. I authority to live and work overseas. I authority to live and work overseas. I love the job. I love the job. And love the job. I love the job. And love the job. I love the job. And despite everything that's happened, I despite everything that's happened, I despite everything that's happened, I actually still think if you're a uh actually still think if you're a uh actually still think if you're a uh motivated uh critical thinker, you you motivated uh critical thinker, you you motivated uh critical thinker, you you should try and get into the director of should try and get into the director of should try and get into the director of operations. It is a fun job. It's a good operations. It is a fun job. It's a good operations. It is a fun job. It's a good job. job. job. >> I I tried to get in for that exact >> I I tried to get in for that exact >> I I tried to get in for that exact reason. Probably never should have reason. Probably never should have reason. Probably never should have admitted that cuz I've been accused of admitted that cuz I've been accused of admitted that cuz I've been accused of being a tool of CIA ever since, which being a tool of CIA ever since, which being a tool of CIA ever since, which I'm not. Uh I think the interview will I'm not. Uh I think the interview will I'm not. Uh I think the interview will make it clear I'm not, but I just for make it clear I'm not, but I just for make it clear I'm not, but I just for that reason I thought it sound like a that reason I thought it sound like a that reason I thought it sound like a very interesting job. Interesting job.

very interesting job. Interesting job. very interesting job. Interesting job. >> You don't think about the politics. >> You don't think about the politics. >> You don't think about the politics. There's no politics in the field. It's There's no politics in the field. It's There's no politics in the field. It's about it's such a small group of people about it's such a small group of people about it's such a small group of people that you get to come back and talk to that you get to come back and talk to that you get to come back and talk to about what you're doing. So if you're in about what you're doing. So if you're in about what you're doing. So if you're in the office, you come back and you're the office, you come back and you're the office, you come back and you're like, "Hey, I collected this like, "Hey, I collected this like, "Hey, I collected this intelligence. I recruited this spy. I intelligence. I recruited this spy. I intelligence. I recruited this spy. I did this operational act." did this operational act." did this operational act." >> Um the only people who can cheer you on >> Um the only people who can cheer you on >> Um the only people who can cheer you on are is that small fraternity are is that small fraternity are is that small fraternity >> of people. And so it's it's a special >> of people. And so it's it's a special >> of people. And so it's it's a special it's a it was a blessing and a gift. it's a it was a blessing and a gift. it's a it was a blessing and a gift. Everything good in my life was touched Everything good in my life was touched Everything good in my life was touched by working at the CIA, which is why CO by working at the CIA, which is why CO by working at the CIA, which is why CO woke me up to sort of the mess. I mean, woke me up to sort of the mess. I mean, woke me up to sort of the mess. I mean, we're supposed to be and people laugh we're supposed to be and people laugh we're supposed to be and people laugh when I say when I say when I say >> So, you're not living in MLAN, Virginia >> So, you're not living in MLAN, Virginia >> So, you're not living in MLAN, Virginia at headquarter near headquarter. You're at headquarter near headquarter. You're at headquarter near headquarter. You're like abroad, right? For a lot of time. like abroad, right? For a lot of time. like abroad, right? For a lot of time. >> Oh, most of my career. Yeah, it was >> Oh, most of my career. Yeah, it was >> Oh, most of my career. Yeah, it was abroad. Was abroad abroad. Was abroad abroad. Was abroad >> and um I loved it. Yeah, I I finally >> and um I loved it. Yeah, I I finally >> and um I loved it. Yeah, I I finally came back to headquarters uh in 2019 came back to headquarters uh in 2019 came back to headquarters uh in 2019 uh right before CO hit. And being a CIA case officer or even any being a CIA case officer or even any intelligence officer, your job and intelligence officer, your job and intelligence officer, your job and people are going to laugh especially people are going to laugh especially people are going to laugh especially when you say CIA, our job is truth. So, when you say CIA, our job is truth. So, when you say CIA, our job is truth. So, we go out, we we go into this sea of we go out, we we go into this sea of we go out, we we go into this sea of misinformation, lies, misinformation, lies, misinformation, lies, different types of motives, and we're different types of motives, and we're different types of motives, and we're supposed to pull out that little tiny supposed to pull out that little tiny supposed to pull out that little tiny nugget of truth, write it up, and nugget of truth, write it up, and nugget of truth, write it up, and present it to policy makers so that they present it to policy makers so that they present it to policy makers so that they can make wise decisions in the most can make wise decisions in the most can make wise decisions in the most altruistic way. That is what we're altruistic way. That is what we're altruistic way. That is what we're supposed to do. And what co revealed was supposed to do. And what co revealed was supposed to do. And what co revealed was most of us don't most of the agency, most of us don't most of the agency, most of us don't most of the agency, they lost their sense of discernment.

they lost their sense of discernment. they lost their sense of discernment. They they gave up on taking a hard look They they gave up on taking a hard look They they gave up on taking a hard look at what was happening all around them. at what was happening all around them. at what was happening all around them. And I I I I could not believe I mean I And I I I I could not believe I mean I And I I I I could not believe I mean I was running um work on financial was running um work on financial was running um work on financial intelligence against strategic rivals intelligence against strategic rivals intelligence against strategic rivals and I had an office. I was running two and I had an office. I was running two and I had an office. I was running two big branches and um I had like seven big branches and um I had like seven big branches and um I had like seven people who'd come into my office every people who'd come into my office every people who'd come into my office every day and like we're not crazy. This we're day and like we're not crazy. This we're day and like we're not crazy. This we're not crazy. this this masking this thing not crazy. this this masking this thing not crazy. this this masking this thing where they want to test us all the time where they want to test us all the time where they want to test us all the time like this shot. We're not crazy. This like this shot. We're not crazy. This like this shot. We're not crazy. This doesn't seem right. Um and that was doesn't seem right. Um and that was doesn't seem right. Um and that was that's what started me down the road. Um that's what started me down the road. Um that's what started me down the road. Um there was few other things before that. there was few other things before that. there was few other things before that. It was you know few other things before It was you know few other things before It was you know few other things before that that uh opened my eyes. But um I'm that that uh opened my eyes. But um I'm that that uh opened my eyes. But um I'm also a slow learner. I mean I spent some also a slow learner. I mean I spent some also a slow learner. I mean I spent some time in the Middle East looking at time in the Middle East looking at time in the Middle East looking at dumpster fires saying well you know I dumpster fires saying well you know I dumpster fires saying well you know I know we didn't actually get this done know we didn't actually get this done know we didn't actually get this done but thank God we're here for democracy. but thank God we're here for democracy. but thank God we're here for democracy. So, I mean, I I I own that. So, I mean, I I I own that. So, I mean, I I I own that. >> You believe that? >> You believe that? >> You believe that? >> I did. I did for a long time. I I no >> I did. I did for a long time. I I no >> I did. I did for a long time. I I no longer um I think that we probably longer um I think that we probably longer um I think that we probably should take a good hard look at the should take a good hard look at the should take a good hard look at the decisions we're making on foreign decisions we're making on foreign decisions we're making on foreign policy. And I think um that whole thing policy. And I think um that whole thing policy. And I think um that whole thing about no new foreign wars was probably a about no new foreign wars was probably a about no new foreign wars was probably a good good idea.

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from some lab in China and Wuhan?" they from some lab in China and Wuhan?" they probably would be a little more hesitant probably would be a little more hesitant probably would be a little more hesitant to put that in their body. I I to put that in their body. I I to put that in their body. I I personally think any new technology is personally think any new technology is personally think any new technology is unwise to unwise to unwise to >> That's confirmed. >> That's confirmed. >> That's confirmed. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We we got I think >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We we got I think >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We we got I think it was I forget the exact date. It was it was I forget the exact date. It was it was I forget the exact date. It was early January. The nucleotide sequence early January. The nucleotide sequence early January. The nucleotide sequence was sent from um the Chinese CDC over to was sent from um the Chinese CDC over to was sent from um the Chinese CDC over to I believe it was our CDC, but it was I believe it was our CDC, but it was I believe it was our CDC, but it was sent over to the health establishment sent over to the health establishment sent over to the health establishment here in the United States. We took that here in the United States. We took that here in the United States. We took that and it was it was put into a computer and it was it was put into a computer and it was it was put into a computer modeling that I mean my guess is there modeling that I mean my guess is there modeling that I mean my guess is there was probably was probably was probably a lot of previous work done on co um so a lot of previous work done on co um so a lot of previous work done on co um so on sorry on corona virus research I on sorry on corona virus research I on sorry on corona virus research I should be precise on that uh there's all should be precise on that uh there's all should be precise on that uh there's all sorts of corona viruses that we've been sorts of corona viruses that we've been sorts of corona viruses that we've been looking at over the over the years looking at over the over the years looking at over the over the years >> there was a famous outbreak of course in >> there was a famous outbreak of course in >> there was a famous outbreak of course in Asia Asia Asia >> um so do you believe so you believe that >> um so do you believe so you believe that >> um so do you believe so you believe that the virus just escaped from the the lab, the virus just escaped from the the lab, the virus just escaped from the the lab, the famous lab in Wuhan. Do you think it the famous lab in Wuhan. Do you think it the famous lab in Wuhan. Do you think it was an accident? was an accident? was an accident? >> I think that we need more data from the >> I think that we need more data from the >> I think that we need more data from the CIA to actually fill out what Director CIA to actually fill out what Director CIA to actually fill out what Director Gabbard was doing. But yes, um I think Gabbard was doing. But yes, um I think Gabbard was doing. But yes, um I think that it escaped from a lab in Wuhan. And that it escaped from a lab in Wuhan. And that it escaped from a lab in Wuhan. And um it it spread everywhere um it it spread everywhere um it it spread everywhere inadvertently.

inadvertently. inadvertently. >> Inadvertently, I think I think there's >> Inadvertently, I think I think there's >> Inadvertently, I think I think there's no direct evidence right now that says no direct evidence right now that says no direct evidence right now that says yes, they did it deliberately. yes, they did it deliberately. yes, they did it deliberately. Um that well that's quite a hedged Um that well that's quite a hedged Um that well that's quite a hedged answer. There's no direct evidence right answer. There's no direct evidence right answer. There's no direct evidence right now that they did it deliberately. So now that they did it deliberately. So now that they did it deliberately. So the possibility exists. the possibility exists. the possibility exists. >> Possibility exists because um I mean I'd >> Possibility exists because um I mean I'd >> Possibility exists because um I mean I'd love to give you a direct answer but the love to give you a direct answer but the love to give you a direct answer but the CIA would have had to have given the CIA would have had to have given the CIA would have had to have given the information that was requested from information that was requested from information that was requested from director Gabard's director's initiatives director Gabard's director's initiatives director Gabard's director's initiatives group that probably could have cleared group that probably could have cleared group that probably could have cleared everything up. We we when I conduct an everything up. We we when I conduct an everything up. We we when I conduct an investigation, actually an intelligence investigation, actually an intelligence investigation, actually an intelligence operation, if I'm going after a target, operation, if I'm going after a target, operation, if I'm going after a target, I first thing I do is put together a I first thing I do is put together a I first thing I do is put together a timeline, okay? A timeline of events, timeline, okay? A timeline of events, timeline, okay? A timeline of events, known things about the target that we're known things about the target that we're known things about the target that we're we're investigating. If I don't have we're investigating. If I don't have we're investigating. If I don't have everything that goes in that timeline, I everything that goes in that timeline, I everything that goes in that timeline, I can't I can't give you a full answer, can't I can't give you a full answer, can't I can't give you a full answer, right? And well, CIA simply refused to right? And well, CIA simply refused to right? And well, CIA simply refused to provide the information. And it's uh it provide the information. And it's uh it provide the information. And it's uh it was obvious early in um the outbreak was obvious early in um the outbreak was obvious early in um the outbreak that this was from the lab. I mean there that this was from the lab. I mean there that this was from the lab. I mean there were Chinese researchers who said it um were Chinese researchers who said it um were Chinese researchers who said it um and then subsequently as you know and then subsequently as you know and then subsequently as you know disappeared disappeared disappeared >> but people were saying this from >> but people were saying this from >> but people were saying this from February of 2020. Yeah.

February of 2020. Yeah. February of 2020. Yeah. >> And um and it always seemed likely to me >> And um and it always seemed likely to me >> And um and it always seemed likely to me >> but the US government from the very >> but the US government from the very >> but the US government from the very beginning went along with this Panggalan beginning went along with this Panggalan beginning went along with this Panggalan lie. lie. lie. >> Yeah. And then subsequent to that, even >> Yeah. And then subsequent to that, even >> Yeah. And then subsequent to that, even when it became obvious that it was a when it became obvious that it was a when it became obvious that it was a lie, we were describing continued the lie, we were describing continued the lie, we were describing continued the cover up. Why? cover up. Why? cover up. Why? Well, um, part of the reason, I mean, Well, um, part of the reason, I mean, Well, um, part of the reason, I mean, Fouchy is part of that reason. And, you Fouchy is part of that reason. And, you Fouchy is part of that reason. And, you know, I'm going to be very blunt about know, I'm going to be very blunt about know, I'm going to be very blunt about it. And since I'm going to be blunt and it. And since I'm going to be blunt and it. And since I'm going to be blunt and also give my opinion. Um, you know, when also give my opinion. Um, you know, when also give my opinion. Um, you know, when I was sitting in front of uh the Senate, I was sitting in front of uh the Senate, I was sitting in front of uh the Senate, I wanted to make sure I was very I wanted to make sure I was very I wanted to make sure I was very accurate in everything I said. But I accurate in everything I said. But I accurate in everything I said. But I don't want to give some supposition but don't want to give some supposition but don't want to give some supposition but I will give a little supposition here as I will give a little supposition here as I will give a little supposition here as well. Um because you know I have a brain well. Um because you know I have a brain well. Um because you know I have a brain I think you know I've got synapses that I think you know I've got synapses that I think you know I've got synapses that fire off and occasionally when I see fire off and occasionally when I see fire off and occasionally when I see data I don't you know if it looked yeah data I don't you know if it looked yeah data I don't you know if it looked yeah quacks like a duck quacks like a duck quacks like a duck >> right >> right >> right >> so um I think Anthony Fouchy was fully >> so um I think Anthony Fouchy was fully >> so um I think Anthony Fouchy was fully aware that um the funding that had gone aware that um the funding that had gone aware that um the funding that had gone on for various types of dangerous on for various types of dangerous on for various types of dangerous research dangerous gain of function research dangerous gain of function research dangerous gain of function research had been going on for a very research had been going on for a very research had been going on for a very long time. Okay.

long time. Okay. long time. Okay. Different viruses, different bacteria Different viruses, different bacteria Different viruses, different bacteria and um you know there are I see and um you know there are I see and um you know there are I see connections to for for good good reasons connections to for for good good reasons connections to for for good good reasons as well. Bio defense I see connections as well. Bio defense I see connections as well. Bio defense I see connections to to to research that goes on. But um I to to to research that goes on. But um I to to to research that goes on. But um I think they understood that a house of think they understood that a house of think they understood that a house of cards was going to fall down if this if cards was going to fall down if this if cards was going to fall down if this if this got out too quickly that that there this got out too quickly that that there this got out too quickly that that there was a distinct possibility that American was a distinct possibility that American was a distinct possibility that American knowhow, American expertise I mean we knowhow, American expertise I mean we knowhow, American expertise I mean we really do I mean I take a look at some really do I mean I take a look at some really do I mean I take a look at some of the scientists that the the IC relies of the scientists that the the IC relies of the scientists that the the IC relies on for for expert advice. These people on for for expert advice. These people on for for expert advice. These people are really really impressive people. are really really impressive people. are really really impressive people. Okay. um you know they they uh Okay. um you know they they uh Okay. um you know they they uh they receive funding to go do research, they receive funding to go do research, they receive funding to go do research, they're involved in health, they're they're involved in health, they're they're involved in health, they're involved in biodense. All of a sudden, involved in biodense. All of a sudden, involved in biodense. All of a sudden, you've got a virus that looks boy, it you've got a virus that looks boy, it you've got a virus that looks boy, it sure there there's there's a couple ties sure there there's there's a couple ties sure there there's there's a couple ties that tie the financing over to Wuhan, that tie the financing over to Wuhan, that tie the financing over to Wuhan, China. He had to know he had to know China. He had to know he had to know China. He had to know he had to know what that looks like at the end of the what that looks like at the end of the what that looks like at the end of the day. So instead, based on everything day. So instead, based on everything day. So instead, based on everything that's out there, he gets the proximal that's out there, he gets the proximal that's out there, he gets the proximal origins of SARS Cove 2 written with his origins of SARS Cove 2 written with his origins of SARS Cove 2 written with his buddies. That paper gets waved around buddies. That paper gets waved around buddies. That paper gets waved around the IC as the end all be all as the the IC as the end all be all as the the IC as the end all be all as the paper to prove that yes, it's it's of paper to prove that yes, it's it's of paper to prove that yes, it's it's of zooonautic origin. Um, and he had to zooonautic origin. Um, and he had to zooonautic origin. Um, and he had to know when he's pushing these type of know when he's pushing these type of know when he's pushing these type of experts, a variety of experts that he

experts, a variety of experts that he experts, a variety of experts that he pushed towards the IC once in February pushed towards the IC once in February pushed towards the IC once in February of 2020 and again in June of 2021. of 2020 and again in June of 2021. of 2020 and again in June of 2021. He pushes those experts in. Um, he he He pushes those experts in. Um, he he He pushes those experts in. Um, he he wants to ensure that narrative is pushed wants to ensure that narrative is pushed wants to ensure that narrative is pushed at the IC level. And um unfortunately, at the IC level. And um unfortunately, at the IC level. And um unfortunately, I'm going back to the comment I made I'm going back to the comment I made I'm going back to the comment I made before, you know, some people just before, you know, some people just before, you know, some people just appeared to swallow like hookline and appeared to swallow like hookline and appeared to swallow like hookline and sinker. I there was actually I read an sinker. I there was actually I read an sinker. I there was actually I read an email where a very senior person and I I email where a very senior person and I I email where a very senior person and I I I wish I could name names, but a very I wish I could name names, but a very I wish I could name names, but a very senior person waved that basically waved senior person waved that basically waved senior person waved that basically waved that paper around and said, "Well, we've that paper around and said, "Well, we've that paper around and said, "Well, we've got our answer." that was in somebody got our answer." that was in somebody got our answer." that was in somebody who was in a position to to sort of who was in a position to to sort of who was in a position to to sort of influence not sort of in a position to influence not sort of in a position to influence not sort of in a position to influence how the IC looked at SARS CO2. influence how the IC looked at SARS CO2. influence how the IC looked at SARS CO2. Why are they covering it up now? Fouch's Why are they covering it up now? Fouch's Why are they covering it up now? Fouch's gone. New administration. gone. New administration. gone. New administration. >> I think that um there's an embarrassment >> I think that um there's an embarrassment >> I think that um there's an embarrassment piece again. I I think you know you piece again. I I think you know you piece again. I I think you know you don't want to be caught with your pants don't want to be caught with your pants don't want to be caught with your pants down. I think that um down. I think that um down. I think that um >> you don't want to be caught >> you don't want to be caught >> you don't want to be caught >> at all [clears throat] >> at all [clears throat] >> at all [clears throat] >> covering up for a global pandemic that >> covering up for a global pandemic that >> covering up for a global pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

killed hundreds of thousands of people. killed hundreds of thousands of people. >> Yeah. So there's I think um I think seen >> Yeah. So there's I think um I think seen >> Yeah. So there's I think um I think seen and hold on let me be very clear about and hold on let me be very clear about and hold on let me be very clear about who doesn't want to be caught with their who doesn't want to be caught with their who doesn't want to be caught with their their pants down causing a global their pants down causing a global their pants down causing a global pandemic. Um the very the senior people pandemic. Um the very the senior people pandemic. Um the very the senior people within um DNI's um within um DNI's um within um DNI's um the part of the DNI that's responsible the part of the DNI that's responsible the part of the DNI that's responsible for looking into WMD matters and file for looking into WMD matters and file for looking into WMD matters and file weapons matters and the weapons and weapons matters and the weapons and weapons matters and the weapons and counterpreration center over at the CIA. counterpreration center over at the CIA. counterpreration center over at the CIA. There's very senior people over there There's very senior people over there There's very senior people over there that had a heavy hand in what happened that had a heavy hand in what happened that had a heavy hand in what happened and it's not the analy like the the and it's not the analy like the the and it's not the analy like the the technical analysts that were were technical analysts that were were technical analysts that were were pushing saying, "Hey, listen guys, this pushing saying, "Hey, listen guys, this pushing saying, "Hey, listen guys, this looks like this is a lab leak." Their looks like this is a lab leak." Their looks like this is a lab leak." Their careers were destroyed for pushing it. careers were destroyed for pushing it. careers were destroyed for pushing it. This is the story that I I really want This is the story that I I really want This is the story that I I really want to make sure gets out. I want to correct to make sure gets out. I want to correct to make sure gets out. I want to correct the record. They were not bribed. There the record. They were not bribed. There the record. They were not bribed. There was this there was a number of analysts was this there was a number of analysts was this there was a number of analysts inside the CIA and they did everything inside the CIA and they did everything inside the CIA and they did everything in their power to include writing a a in their power to include writing a a in their power to include writing a a little disscent email that went all the little disscent email that went all the little disscent email that went all the way up to the top of WCPMC saying, "Hey, way up to the top of WCPMC saying, "Hey, way up to the top of WCPMC saying, "Hey, listen guys, we're technical experts."

listen guys, we're technical experts." listen guys, we're technical experts." And I'm I'm paraphrasing obviously. We And I'm I'm paraphrasing obviously. We And I'm I'm paraphrasing obviously. We have this much expertise and it's it have this much expertise and it's it have this much expertise and it's it looks like a lab leak. Their careers looks like a lab leak. Their careers looks like a lab leak. Their careers were destroyed after that. They weren't were destroyed after that. They weren't were destroyed after that. They weren't no longer part of that establishment. no longer part of that establishment. no longer part of that establishment. And um if there's ever a And um if there's ever a And um if there's ever a >> So the entire leadership of CA swung >> So the entire leadership of CA swung >> So the entire leadership of CA swung behind this lie that it was from an behind this lie that it was from an behind this lie that it was from an animal. animal. animal. >> Yeah. And why are they still doing it? >> Yeah. And why are they still doing it? >> Yeah. And why are they still doing it? Well, because because I Well, tell you Well, because because I Well, tell you Well, because because I Well, tell you what, when the CIA produces the what, when the CIA produces the what, when the CIA produces the documents that were requested to help documents that were requested to help documents that were requested to help finish the investigation, I think we'll finish the investigation, I think we'll finish the investigation, I think we'll have a better answer on why. How can CIA have a better answer on why. How can CIA have a better answer on why. How can CIA get away with not producing those get away with not producing those get away with not producing those documents or documents from the Kennedy documents or documents from the Kennedy documents or documents from the Kennedy assassination 63 years ago, which they assassination 63 years ago, which they assassination 63 years ago, which they also haven't produced as you know? How also haven't produced as you know? How also haven't produced as you know? How who allows that to happen? Oh, that's a who allows that to happen? Oh, that's a who allows that to happen? Oh, that's a that's a packed question. There's a few that's a packed question. There's a few that's a packed question. There's a few pieces to that. So, senior managers pieces to that. So, senior managers pieces to that. So, senior managers allow it to happen inside the CIA. Um, allow it to happen inside the CIA. Um, allow it to happen inside the CIA. Um, and oversight to some extent lets it and oversight to some extent lets it and oversight to some extent lets it well oversight has failed clearly over well oversight has failed clearly over well oversight has failed clearly over the years. I'm not criticizing right the years. I'm not criticizing right the years. I'm not criticizing right now. I just want to be clear. I'm not I now. I just want to be clear. I'm not I now. I just want to be clear. I'm not I think actually Rick Crawford is on it think actually Rick Crawford is on it think actually Rick Crawford is on it right now. I'm definitely right now. I'm definitely right now. I'm definitely >> He'd be the He'd be the member of >> He'd be the He'd be the member of >> He'd be the He'd be the member of Congress who oversees the House Intel Congress who oversees the House Intel Congress who oversees the House Intel Committee.

Committee. Committee. >> Yes. Yes. So, historically they've >> Yes. Yes. So, historically they've >> Yes. Yes. So, historically they've abdicated their their role in oversight abdicated their their role in oversight abdicated their their role in oversight and I let me give you an example. I want and I let me give you an example. I want and I let me give you an example. I want to give you a very clear example. When I to give you a very clear example. When I to give you a very clear example. When I was a young officer, you know, not a was a young officer, you know, not a was a young officer, you know, not a young officer, but you know, I had young officer, but you know, I had young officer, but you know, I had earned my stripes, done my work, and I earned my stripes, done my work, and I earned my stripes, done my work, and I was going to do my first meeting with a was going to do my first meeting with a was going to do my first meeting with a liaison service. Now, most of the time liaison service. Now, most of the time liaison service. Now, most of the time it's it's like, "Good luck, buddy." it's it's like, "Good luck, buddy." it's it's like, "Good luck, buddy." "Yeah, have fun." I actually had a "Yeah, have fun." I actually had a "Yeah, have fun." I actually had a senior officer pull me aside. He said, senior officer pull me aside. He said, senior officer pull me aside. He said, "Listen, here's how "Listen, here's how "Listen, here's how >> he sort of would be a foreign intel >> he sort of would be a foreign intel >> he sort of would be a foreign intel >> foreign intel service." So, this is >> foreign intel service." So, this is >> foreign intel service." So, this is where you get declared to the foreign where you get declared to the foreign where you get declared to the foreign intel service. You're no longer hiding intel service. You're no longer hiding intel service. You're no longer hiding from everybody. from everybody. from everybody. >> Uh and you're working together on goals >> Uh and you're working together on goals >> Uh and you're working together on goals that are you both care about hopefully. that are you both care about hopefully. that are you both care about hopefully. And um he said, "Listen, this isn't And um he said, "Listen, this isn't And um he said, "Listen, this isn't going to go well. Here's how this is going to go well. Here's how this is going to go well. Here's how this is going to happen. Here's what I need you going to happen. Here's what I need you going to happen. Here's what I need you to do." He did what rarely happens for to do." He did what rarely happens for to do." He did what rarely happens for CIA ops officers. He trained the junior CIA ops officers. He trained the junior CIA ops officers. He trained the junior officer on how to handle the meeting. I officer on how to handle the meeting. I officer on how to handle the meeting. I was so grateful. Years later, was so grateful. Years later, was so grateful. Years later, and I love the guy. Um, years later, he and I love the guy. Um, years later, he and I love the guy. Um, years later, he disagrees with me, by the way, on just disagrees with me, by the way, on just disagrees with me, by the way, on just about everything of substance, but he's about everything of substance, but he's about everything of substance, but he's a great officer. And, um, a great officer. And, um, a great officer. And, um, he pulls me aside. I had gotten a job he pulls me aside. I had gotten a job he pulls me aside. I had gotten a job where I was interacting with oversight where I was interacting with oversight where I was interacting with oversight on a very regular basis. My job was to on a very regular basis. My job was to on a very regular basis. My job was to ensure that the things that were coming ensure that the things that were coming ensure that the things that were coming from the CIA that were going over to from the CIA that were going over to from the CIA that were going over to oversight were truthful, honest, we were oversight were truthful, honest, we were oversight were truthful, honest, we were we were producing things that was we were producing things that was we were producing things that was valuable for them to actually do their valuable for them to actually do their valuable for them to actually do their job. So, and I had never really done job. So, and I had never really done job. So, and I had never really done that kind of work. I'd dealt with that kind of work. I'd dealt with that kind of work. I'd dealt with oversight before. He says, "Here's how

oversight before. He says, "Here's how oversight before. He says, "Here's how oversight works. Take for example um we oversight works. Take for example um we oversight works. Take for example um we have to we are supposed to um report all have to we are supposed to um report all have to we are supposed to um report all of the organizations that have human of the organizations that have human of the organizations that have human rights abuses that we work with. I mean rights abuses that we work with. I mean rights abuses that we work with. I mean the CIA works with bad people. That the CIA works with bad people. That the CIA works with bad people. That happens. That's it's by statute. We're happens. That's it's by statute. We're happens. That's it's by statute. We're allowed to do that. But we have to allowed to do that. But we have to allowed to do that. But we have to report it. We have to make sure that report it. We have to make sure that report it. We have to make sure that they know. So we give them a list and I they know. So we give them a list and I they know. So we give them a list and I don't know if it's quarterly or every don't know if it's quarterly or every don't know if it's quarterly or every other year or whatever it is, but other year or whatever it is, but other year or whatever it is, but there's a report that comes out. And he there's a report that comes out. And he there's a report that comes out. And he said, "If he was explaining to me, let's said, "If he was explaining to me, let's said, "If he was explaining to me, let's say somebody on the other side of the say somebody on the other side of the say somebody on the other side of the table says,"Hey, this service here, I table says,"Hey, this service here, I table says,"Hey, this service here, I don't like this. I don't want you don't like this. I don't want you don't like this. I don't want you working with this service." working with this service." working with this service." Um, so he says, "How do you handle Um, so he says, "How do you handle Um, so he says, "How do you handle that?" I'm like, "I don't know. You tell that?" I'm like, "I don't know. You tell that?" I'm like, "I don't know. You tell me." He goes, you say, "Well, just tell me." He goes, you say, "Well, just tell me." He goes, you say, "Well, just tell us to stop." And the meaning is, "We us to stop." And the meaning is, "We us to stop." And the meaning is, "We know that you can tell us to stop, but know that you can tell us to stop, but know that you can tell us to stop, but you got to get everybody else to tell you got to get everybody else to tell you got to get everybody else to tell you to stop. And if if we keep doing it, you to stop. And if if we keep doing it, you to stop. And if if we keep doing it, you got to get everybody else to pull you got to get everybody else to pull you got to get everybody else to pull the purse strings. And that never the purse strings. And that never the purse strings. And that never happens. So like, you should just tell happens. So like, you should just tell happens. So like, you should just tell us to stop doing it. Then it's become a us to stop doing it. Then it's become a us to stop doing it. Then it's become a kabuki dance. In my opinion, a kabuki kabuki dance. In my opinion, a kabuki kabuki dance. In my opinion, a kabuki dance. I sat in an oversight meeting dance. I sat in an oversight meeting dance. I sat in an oversight meeting that was 3 years after a a huge failure that was 3 years after a a huge failure that was 3 years after a a huge failure happened. And they're asking the people happened. And they're asking the people happened. And they're asking the people sitting on the other side, the other sitting on the other side, the other sitting on the other side, the other people are are talking to the the agency people are are talking to the the agency people are are talking to the the agency officers. are like, "Has anyone been officers. are like, "Has anyone been officers. are like, "Has anyone been held accountable for something that held accountable for something that held accountable for something that happened 3 years prior?" And uh the happened 3 years prior?" And uh the happened 3 years prior?" And uh the agency lawyer leans in and says, "We're agency lawyer leans in and says, "We're agency lawyer leans in and says, "We're holding the system accountable."

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Director Gabbard leaves. PY takes over. Director Gabbard leaves. PY takes over. And, um, uh, PY gets a a letter from, And, um, uh, PY gets a a letter from, And, um, uh, PY gets a a letter from, uh, Senator Tom Cotton's team saying, uh, Senator Tom Cotton's team saying, uh, Senator Tom Cotton's team saying, "Hey, listen. Here's what you need to "Hey, listen. Here's what you need to "Hey, listen. Here's what you need to understand. Uh, maintains uh, understand. Uh, maintains uh, understand. Uh, maintains uh, oversight responsibility." oversight responsibility." oversight responsibility." >> Si is a Senate Intelligence Senate >> Si is a Senate Intelligence Senate >> Si is a Senate Intelligence Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. We Select Committee on Intelligence. We Select Committee on Intelligence. We maintain privacy on on oversight for uh maintain privacy on on oversight for uh maintain privacy on on oversight for uh [clears throat] these sort of matters. [clears throat] these sort of matters. [clears throat] these sort of matters. And so, hey, PY, make sure make sure And so, hey, PY, make sure make sure And so, hey, PY, make sure make sure that you consult us before you decide to that you consult us before you decide to that you consult us before you decide to give anything over to them. Okay? And give anything over to them. Okay? And give anything over to them. Okay? And not only that, I said that I had done a not only that, I said that I had done a not only that, I said that I had done a 6-h hour and 40minute transcribed 6-h hour and 40minute transcribed 6-h hour and 40minute transcribed interview in a skiff in March of this interview in a skiff in March of this interview in a skiff in March of this year for his gak. Republicans and year for his gak. Republicans and year for his gak. Republicans and Democrats were both there. Well, let me Democrats were both there. Well, let me Democrats were both there. Well, let me clarify that the Democrat tried to clarify that the Democrat tried to clarify that the Democrat tried to leave, but I insisted that he stay. leave, but I insisted that he stay. leave, but I insisted that he stay. No, I finished that transcribed No, I finished that transcribed No, I finished that transcribed interview. They won't give it back. interview. They won't give it back. interview. They won't give it back. They won't give it back to his gak. They won't give it back to his gak. They won't give it back to his gak. will not give will not give will not give >> his gak is the >> his gak is the >> his gak is the >> sorry, the Homeland Security Government >> sorry, the Homeland Security Government >> sorry, the Homeland Security Government Affairs Committee, the one that Ran Affairs Committee, the one that Ran Affairs Committee, the one that Ran Paul's on and Ron Johnson's on, Paul's on and Ron Johnson's on, Paul's on and Ron Johnson's on, >> uh, I think some of the Democrats are on >> uh, I think some of the Democrats are on >> uh, I think some of the Democrats are on or Fedman, a few others, or Fedman, a few others, or Fedman, a few others, >> um, wouldn't know. They didn't show up >> um, wouldn't know. They didn't show up >> um, wouldn't know. They didn't show up to the hearing. Um, so you know, to the hearing. Um, so you know, to the hearing. Um, so you know, is saying you can't have your own is saying you can't have your own is saying you can't have your own transcribed interview. is saying transcribed interview. is saying transcribed interview. is saying we are the ones who have primacy over we are the ones who have primacy over we are the ones who have primacy over oversight over the intel community, but oversight over the intel community, but oversight over the intel community, but they're not doing oversight. And how do they're not doing oversight. And how do they're not doing oversight. And how do I know they're not doing oversight?

I know they're not doing oversight? I know they're not doing oversight? Already sort of mentioned it. I went to Already sort of mentioned it. I went to Already sort of mentioned it. I went to in [clears throat] April of 2024 in [clears throat] April of 2024 in [clears throat] April of 2024 and I told them a story about six of and I told them a story about six of and I told them a story about six of seven technical experts saying CO seven technical experts saying CO seven technical experts saying CO origins uh you know CO originated in a origins uh you know CO originated in a origins uh you know CO originated in a lab incident and they did nothing with lab incident and they did nothing with lab incident and they did nothing with it in 2024. So of course Tom Cotton it in 2024. So of course Tom Cotton it in 2024. So of course Tom Cotton doesn't want somebody else digging into doesn't want somebody else digging into doesn't want somebody else digging into it cuz it probably just exposes the it cuz it probably just exposes the it cuz it probably just exposes the failure of the their oversight. failure of the their oversight. failure of the their oversight. >> Tom Cotton is so clearly a tool of CIA. >> Tom Cotton is so clearly a tool of CIA. >> Tom Cotton is so clearly a tool of CIA. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as far as I >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as far as I >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as far as I can tell, that guy, he's there to make can tell, that guy, he's there to make can tell, that guy, he's there to make sure that he protects the CIA. sure that he protects the CIA. sure that he protects the CIA. >> But that's the opposite of what the job >> But that's the opposite of what the job >> But that's the opposite of what the job entails. entails. entails. >> That is exactly the opposite. Yes. Now, >> That is exactly the opposite. Yes. Now, >> That is exactly the opposite. Yes. Now, >> his wife worked at CIA as an analyst in >> his wife worked at CIA as an analyst in >> his wife worked at CIA as an analyst in Langley. Langley. Langley. >> I don't know, [clears throat] but I >> I don't know, [clears throat] but I >> I don't know, [clears throat] but I believe believe believe >> I know. And that is correct. I've talked >> I know. And that is correct. I've talked >> I know. And that is correct. I've talked to her about it. And to her about it. And to her about it. And so, I'm not blaming him. She's very so, I'm not blaming him. She's very so, I'm not blaming him. She's very nice. I'm not attacking his wife, just nice. I'm not attacking his wife, just nice. I'm not attacking his wife, just to be clear. But um that's pretty close to be clear. But um that's pretty close to be clear. But um that's pretty close relationship for someone who's going to relationship for someone who's going to relationship for someone who's going to be in charge of oversight of that same be in charge of oversight of that same be in charge of oversight of that same agency. agency. agency. >> Yeah, it's sort of like Fouchy having >> Yeah, it's sort of like Fouchy having >> Yeah, it's sort of like Fouchy having his wife in charge of bioeththics.

his wife in charge of bioeththics. his wife in charge of bioeththics. That's a that's an interesting little That's a that's an interesting little That's a that's an interesting little relation. relation. relation. >> So that's just again I'm not accusing >> So that's just again I'm not accusing >> So that's just again I'm not accusing Mrs. Cotton of anything. She's a nice Mrs. Cotton of anything. She's a nice Mrs. Cotton of anything. She's a nice person and I think she's left CIA. But person and I think she's left CIA. But person and I think she's left CIA. But the point is that's weird. And then the point is that's weird. And then the point is that's weird. And then Cotton's reflexive Cotton's reflexive Cotton's reflexive uh defense of CIA against everybody uh defense of CIA against everybody uh defense of CIA against everybody including the Office of the Director of including the Office of the Director of including the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. is very very National Intelligence. is very very National Intelligence. is very very striking and his impulse always is to striking and his impulse always is to striking and his impulse always is to hide more from the public. hide more from the public. hide more from the public. >> That isn't what we voted for. >> That isn't what we voted for. >> That isn't what we voted for. >> I'm very aware of that and you have to >> I'm very aware of that and you have to >> I'm very aware of that and you have to and of course he's a very weird guy. and of course he's a very weird guy. and of course he's a very weird guy. >> I don't know him. >> I don't know him. >> I don't know him. >> Let me just say again, he's a very weird >> Let me just say again, he's a very weird >> Let me just say again, he's a very weird guy and almost everybody I know on those guy and almost everybody I know on those guy and almost everybody I know on those committees, I know a bunch of members is committees, I know a bunch of members is committees, I know a bunch of members is a I mean Dan Krenshaw was on the House a I mean Dan Krenshaw was on the House a I mean Dan Krenshaw was on the House Intel Committee. So it's like what is Intel Committee. So it's like what is Intel Committee. So it's like what is going on here? It feels like the IC CIA going on here? It feels like the IC CIA going on here? It feels like the IC CIA probably taking the lead on this probably taking the lead on this probably taking the lead on this controls these people. controls these people. controls these people. >> How do they do that? >> How do they do that? >> How do they do that? >> You know, I'm I hate to say this, but >> You know, I'm I hate to say this, but >> You know, I'm I hate to say this, but we've squandered a historic opportunity we've squandered a historic opportunity we've squandered a historic opportunity and director Radcliffe and Deputy and director Radcliffe and Deputy and director Radcliffe and Deputy Director Michael Ellis. I think when Director Michael Ellis. I think when Director Michael Ellis. I think when history looks back, they're going to say history looks back, they're going to say history looks back, they're going to say that they were the worst leadership team that they were the worst leadership team that they were the worst leadership team the CIA could have gotten.

the CIA could have gotten. the CIA could have gotten. >> Of course. And it's and it's not because >> Of course. And it's and it's not because >> Of course. And it's and it's not because they're it's because of what they're not they're it's because of what they're not they're it's because of what they're not doing. They have an opportunity for doing. They have an opportunity for doing. They have an opportunity for reform, but they've kept all the same reform, but they've kept all the same reform, but they've kept all the same people that were involved in covering up people that were involved in covering up people that were involved in covering up COVID, covering up Havana syndrome. COVID, covering up Havana syndrome. COVID, covering up Havana syndrome. They're all sitting in senior positions. They're all sitting in senior positions. They're all sitting in senior positions. And why would Trump So Radcliffe has And why would Trump So Radcliffe has And why would Trump So Radcliffe has been in contact with John Brennan? been in contact with John Brennan? been in contact with John Brennan? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right. And I've heard that. Do you >> Right. And I've heard that. Do you >> Right. And I've heard that. Do you believe that's true? believe that's true? believe that's true? >> I believe that's true. >> I believe that's true. >> I believe that's true. >> Right. So Brennan is a sworn enemy of >> Right. So Brennan is a sworn enemy of >> Right. So Brennan is a sworn enemy of Trump. Mhm. Trump. Mhm. Trump. Mhm. >> So why would you ever in a million >> So why would you ever in a million >> So why would you ever in a million years, and Trump has said a million years, and Trump has said a million years, and Trump has said a million times, I hate John Radcliffe, stripped times, I hate John Radcliffe, stripped times, I hate John Radcliffe, stripped him of his security clearance, why would him of his security clearance, why would him of his security clearance, why would you put a guy he's in contact with in you put a guy he's in contact with in you put a guy he's in contact with in charge of CIA? Like, what the hell is charge of CIA? Like, what the hell is charge of CIA? Like, what the hell is that? I don't know. I don't know. But that? I don't know. I don't know. But that? I don't know. I don't know. But what I what I what I >> You think that's weird? >> You think that's weird? >> You think that's weird? >> I think it's very weird. >> I think it's very weird. >> I think it's very weird. >> It's very weird. >> It's very weird. >> It's very weird. >> It's very weird. And there's other data >> It's very weird. And there's other data >> It's very weird. And there's other data points that I think speak to this. Um, points that I think speak to this. Um, points that I think speak to this. Um, John Radcliffe, take the Trump Russia John Radcliffe, take the Trump Russia John Radcliffe, take the Trump Russia collusion documents that Director collusion documents that Director collusion documents that Director Gabbard released in was it late July Gabbard released in was it late July Gabbard released in was it late July 2025. 2025. 2025. So those documents were damning. I mean, So those documents were damning. I mean, So those documents were damning. I mean, it's treason what they were trying to it's treason what they were trying to it's treason what they were trying to do. It it was it was like and I read the do. It it was it was like and I read the do. It it was it was like and I read the unredacted documents. I read the unredacted documents. I read the unredacted documents. I read the documents. This is our story. We're documents. This is our story. We're documents. This is our story. We're sticking to it. Okay? You can't unread sticking to it. Okay? You can't unread sticking to it. Okay? You can't unread that and then go away thinking, "Boy, that and then go away thinking, "Boy, that and then go away thinking, "Boy, good thing we've got great leadership at good thing we've got great leadership at good thing we've got great leadership at the IC." So that's all real. The thing the IC." So that's all real. The thing the IC." So that's all real. The thing is, is, is, director Radcliffe was director DNI. He director Radcliffe was director DNI. He director Radcliffe was director DNI. He had possession of the documents that had possession of the documents that had possession of the documents that were released by Director Gabard when he were released by Director Gabard when he were released by Director Gabard when he was over at the DNI,

was over at the DNI, was over at the DNI, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> He could have released them. He could >> He could have released them. He could >> He could have released them. He could have released them when he was at DNI. have released them when he was at DNI. have released them when he was at DNI. Maybe he was scared. I mean, the I mean, Maybe he was scared. I mean, the I mean, Maybe he was scared. I mean, the I mean, I could I could I could >> But Trump, that was he was he ran DNI >> But Trump, that was he was he ran DNI >> But Trump, that was he was he ran DNI in the in the first term first term. So in the in the first term first term. So in the in the first term first term. So Trump knew this. Everyone knew that Trump knew this. Everyone knew that Trump knew this. Everyone knew that >> that John Radcliffe is also, by the way, >> that John Radcliffe is also, by the way, >> that John Radcliffe is also, by the way, loyal to a foreign power. I would say, loyal to a foreign power. I would say, loyal to a foreign power. I would say, and he's in touch with Trump's enemies and he's in touch with Trump's enemies and he's in touch with Trump's enemies and he's doing nothing to help Trump on and he's doing nothing to help Trump on and he's doing nothing to help Trump on the issues that Trump claims he cares the issues that Trump claims he cares the issues that Trump claims he cares about most. And then the first thing about most. And then the first thing about most. And then the first thing Trump does when he gets elected is Trump does when he gets elected is Trump does when he gets elected is appoint that guy director of central appoint that guy director of central appoint that guy director of central intelligence. Like, what the hell are we intelligence. Like, what the hell are we intelligence. Like, what the hell are we looking at? Yeah, I I I can't get into looking at? Yeah, I I I can't get into looking at? Yeah, I I I can't get into President Trump's head on that one, but President Trump's head on that one, but President Trump's head on that one, but what I can do is what I can do is what I can do is >> Can you just affirm again my suspicion? >> Can you just affirm again my suspicion? >> Can you just affirm again my suspicion? This is like the weirdest thing that's This is like the weirdest thing that's This is like the weirdest thing that's ever happened. ever happened. ever happened. >> Yeah, this is dumb. It's flatout dumb. >> Yeah, this is dumb. It's flatout dumb. >> Yeah, this is dumb. It's flatout dumb. Like, if if you want to be followed like Like, if if you want to be followed like Like, if if you want to be followed like he's he's proven, President Trump has he's he's proven, President Trump has he's he's proven, President Trump has proven that there are people within the proven that there are people within the proven that there are people within the federal government that will go to great federal government that will go to great federal government that will go to great lengths to destroy people. Yes. If you lengths to destroy people. Yes. If you lengths to destroy people. Yes. If you want to continue, especially him, if you want to continue, especially him, if you want to continue, especially him, if you want to continue to be destroyed, this want to continue to be destroyed, this want to continue to be destroyed, this is exactly what you do.

is exactly what you do. is exactly what you do. >> Exactly. So, it's dumb. I Well, dumb at >> Exactly. So, it's dumb. I Well, dumb at >> Exactly. So, it's dumb. I Well, dumb at best. It sounds like made under duress best. It sounds like made under duress best. It sounds like made under duress to me. I don't know why any person would to me. I don't know why any person would to me. I don't know why any person would do that, and especially with someone do that, and especially with someone do that, and especially with someone with with with >> finely honed self-preservation >> finely honed self-preservation >> finely honed self-preservation instincts, which Trump has. Why would instincts, which Trump has. Why would instincts, which Trump has. Why would you do that? you do that? you do that? >> And I also noticed something else. Tell >> And I also noticed something else. Tell >> And I also noticed something else. Tell me if you have too that of all the me if you have too that of all the me if you have too that of all the appointees, high level cabinet appointees, high level cabinet appointees, high level cabinet secretaries, big appointees in this secretaries, big appointees in this secretaries, big appointees in this administration, Rackcliffe has basically administration, Rackcliffe has basically administration, Rackcliffe has basically received no scrutiny in the press at received no scrutiny in the press at received no scrutiny in the press at all. all. all. >> Yeah, neither did Rubio for the most >> Yeah, neither did Rubio for the most >> Yeah, neither did Rubio for the most part. Sorry. Sorry. I wanted to add part. Sorry. Sorry. I wanted to add part. Sorry. Sorry. I wanted to add >> Fair. Thank Thank you. >> Fair. Thank Thank you. >> Fair. Thank Thank you. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> but did you notice that? >> but did you notice that? >> but did you notice that? >> Of course I noticed it. It's >> Of course I noticed it. It's >> Of course I noticed it. It's >> a CI director. You're one of the most >> a CI director. You're one of the most >> a CI director. You're one of the most powerful people in the world. powerful people in the world. powerful people in the world. >> Giant red flag. It's a giant red flag to >> Giant red flag. It's a giant red flag to >> Giant red flag. It's a giant red flag to me. I'm sorry. You got to have if you're me. I'm sorry. You got to have if you're me. I'm sorry. You got to have if you're coming into one of those positions, I coming into one of those positions, I coming into one of those positions, I want it doesn't matter who's in charge. want it doesn't matter who's in charge. want it doesn't matter who's in charge. I expect controversy. I want an argument I expect controversy. I want an argument I expect controversy. I want an argument over it. I want to see people get mad over it. I want to see people get mad over it. I want to see people get mad about the person that's going. about the person that's going. about the person that's going. >> But to this day, most people have no >> But to this day, most people have no >> But to this day, most people have no idea who the director of national idea who the director of national idea who the director of national intelligence is, right? intelligence is, right? intelligence is, right? >> And he's treated like a head of state >> And he's treated like a head of state >> And he's treated like a head of state when he travels abroad. He runs CIA. We when he travels abroad. He runs CIA. We when he travels abroad. He runs CIA. We don't know what their budget is, what don't know what their budget is, what don't know what their budget is, what the I mean, it's incredibly powerful the I mean, it's incredibly powerful the I mean, it's incredibly powerful agency, as you know better than I.

agency, as you know better than I. agency, as you know better than I. >> So, and this guy, no one says a word >> So, and this guy, no one says a word >> So, and this guy, no one says a word about him. So, that tells me that the about him. So, that tells me that the about him. So, that tells me that the American media are at the very least American media are at the very least American media are at the very least beholden to, if not controlled by CIA. beholden to, if not controlled by CIA. beholden to, if not controlled by CIA. Like, where are they? Where's CNN? Like, where are they? Where's CNN? Like, where are they? Where's CNN? Where's the New York Times on this? Where's the New York Times on this? Where's the New York Times on this? Where's the Washington Post? Where's the Washington Post? Where's the Washington Post? >> Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned the media >> Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned the media >> Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned the media cuz uh the media plays a huge role at cuz uh the media plays a huge role at cuz uh the media plays a huge role at this point in in this point in in this point in in American freedom, our future. And like, American freedom, our future. And like, American freedom, our future. And like, take a look at the media blackout. Even take a look at the media blackout. Even take a look at the media blackout. Even on like I'll personalize it here on May on like I'll personalize it here on May on like I'll personalize it here on May 13th, you would have thought every news 13th, you would have thought every news 13th, you would have thought every news outlet would want to hear what what was outlet would want to hear what what was outlet would want to hear what what was happening behind the scenes during co happening behind the scenes during co happening behind the scenes during co Fox News was the only one that covered Fox News was the only one that covered Fox News was the only one that covered it. Um and that happens all the time. It it. Um and that happens all the time. It it. Um and that happens all the time. It tells me that the media is controlled. tells me that the media is controlled. tells me that the media is controlled. The media is controlled by the The media is controlled by the The media is controlled by the government. This this thing where we've government. This this thing where we've government. This this thing where we've got an independent media, it doesn't got an independent media, it doesn't got an independent media, it doesn't exist. Okay. And that's a big problem exist. Okay. And that's a big problem exist. Okay. And that's a big problem for um government oversight. It's a big for um government oversight. It's a big for um government oversight. It's a big problem because problem because problem because whistleblowers who go through the whistleblowers who go through the whistleblowers who go through the system, sorry, I'm going to pivot just a system, sorry, I'm going to pivot just a system, sorry, I'm going to pivot just a little here, but whistleblowers are little here, but whistleblowers are little here, but whistleblowers are essential to essential to essential to holding the system accountable, but holding the system accountable, but holding the system accountable, but >> to honest government >> to honest government >> to honest government >> to honest government. So, I can tell you >> to honest government. So, I can tell you >> to honest government. So, I can tell you I've I've I've personally walked through I've I've I've personally walked through I've I've I've personally walked through the system and it's so broken that now the system and it's so broken that now the system and it's so broken that now when people come to me and say, "Should when people come to me and say, "Should when people come to me and say, "Should I be a whistleblower?" I tell them no.

I be a whistleblower?" I tell them no. I be a whistleblower?" I tell them no. And that's the honest I say the only And that's the honest I say the only And that's the honest I say the only reason you should be a whistleblower is reason you should be a whistleblower is reason you should be a whistleblower is if you're prepared to lose everything. if you're prepared to lose everything. if you're prepared to lose everything. Okay? Because you're not gonna you're Okay? Because you're not gonna you're Okay? Because you're not gonna you're not going to get a gold star when you're not going to get a gold star when you're not going to get a gold star when you're done. Okay? It's not going to make it done. Okay? It's not going to make it done. Okay? It's not going to make it good for you personally. It's not going good for you personally. It's not going good for you personally. It's not going to be make it good for you to be make it good for you to be make it good for you professionally. And if you say go professionally. And if you say go professionally. And if you say go through the IC system, through the IC system, through the IC system, they continue to investigate themselves they continue to investigate themselves they continue to investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing. If you go to the and find no wrongdoing. If you go to the and find no wrongdoing. If you go to the ICIG, I went to the ICIG and I tried to ICIG, I went to the ICIG and I tried to ICIG, I went to the ICIG and I tried to get them to get them to get them to >> intelligence inspector general. >> intelligence inspector general. >> intelligence inspector general. >> Thank you. I apologize. >> Thank you. I apologize. >> Thank you. I apologize. >> No, no, it's all right. The internal >> No, no, it's all right. The internal >> No, no, it's all right. The internal watchdog. watchdog. watchdog. >> Yeah, the internal watchdog. The the And >> Yeah, the internal watchdog. The the And >> Yeah, the internal watchdog. The the And Chris Fox, by the way, I think is Chris Fox, by the way, I think is Chris Fox, by the way, I think is another one I should mention another one I should mention another one I should mention specifically. I think he's got the the specifically. I think he's got the the specifically. I think he's got the the spine to try and get something done to spine to try and get something done to spine to try and get something done to to clean things up. And I said that in to clean things up. And I said that in to clean things up. And I said that in my testimony. But let's say you go my testimony. But let's say you go my testimony. But let's say you go through the whole system and you through the whole system and you through the whole system and you realize, "Oh my gosh, the system is realize, "Oh my gosh, the system is realize, "Oh my gosh, the system is broken. What do I do now? Well, that broken. What do I do now? Well, that broken. What do I do now? Well, that last line of defense, the last line of last line of defense, the last line of last line of defense, the last line of defense for a free society is a free defense for a free society is a free defense for a free society is a free media. And let's say you want to you're media. And let's say you want to you're media. And let's say you want to you're like, you know what? I this is wrong. I like, you know what? I this is wrong. I like, you know what? I this is wrong. I have to do something. And you say, I'm have to do something. And you say, I'm have to do something. And you say, I'm going to go to the media. Well, that is going to go to the media. Well, that is going to go to the media. Well, that is that's Russian roulette. Okay. And by that's Russian roulette. Okay. And by that's Russian roulette. Okay. And by the way, let me be perfectly clear. I am the way, let me be perfectly clear. I am the way, let me be perfectly clear. I am not advocating that people with not advocating that people with not advocating that people with classified information go immediately to classified information go immediately to classified information go immediately to the media and just start spouting their the media and just start spouting their the media and just start spouting their mouth off. That is not what I'm saying.

mouth off. That is not what I'm saying. mouth off. That is not what I'm saying. >> No, they should just dump it on the >> No, they should just dump it on the >> No, they should just dump it on the internet. internet. internet. That's what I think. That's what I think. That's what I think. >> Put it on the blockchain. >> Put it on the blockchain. >> Put it on the blockchain. >> Just want to be clear. >> Just want to be clear. >> Just want to be clear. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I am advocating for that and I do think >> I am advocating for that and I do think >> I am advocating for that and I do think that people with relevant classified that people with relevant classified that people with relevant classified information should disclose it to the information should disclose it to the information should disclose it to the public. public. public. >> They should. They should. Um, but I >> They should. They should. Um, but I >> They should. They should. Um, but I don't blame any of them for not. The don't blame any of them for not. The don't blame any of them for not. The system is broken. system is broken. system is broken. >> Christians ought to be safe in the Holy >> Christians ought to be safe in the Holy >> Christians ought to be safe in the Holy Land of all places, but they are not. Land of all places, but they are not. Land of all places, but they are not. Keep in mind, these are the descendants Keep in mind, these are the descendants Keep in mind, these are the descendants of the first converts, the first people of the first converts, the first people of the first converts, the first people who followed Jesus. people whose who followed Jesus. people whose who followed Jesus. people whose families have worshiped in the land families have worshiped in the land families have worshiped in the land Jesus walked for centuries, for Jesus walked for centuries, for Jesus walked for centuries, for thousands of years. And these same thousands of years. And these same thousands of years. And these same people are now facing enormous pressure people are now facing enormous pressure people are now facing enormous pressure to leave, fleeing their homes amid war to leave, fleeing their homes amid war to leave, fleeing their homes amid war and anti-Christian terrorism. and anti-Christian terrorism. and anti-Christian terrorism. Untold numbers of innocents are lost and Untold numbers of innocents are lost and Untold numbers of innocents are lost and without hope, fellow Christians. But how without hope, fellow Christians. But how without hope, fellow Christians. But how do you support them? There are groups do you support them? There are groups do you support them? There are groups out there who claim to support them out there who claim to support them out there who claim to support them whose real agenda is to move them out of whose real agenda is to move them out of whose real agenda is to move them out of their actual homeland. We think that's their actual homeland. We think that's their actual homeland. We think that's wrong. We think that's evil. in fact. wrong. We think that's evil. in fact. wrong. We think that's evil. in fact. And so we've looked far and wide to find And so we've looked far and wide to find And so we've looked far and wide to find a group that is actually supporting a group that is actually supporting a group that is actually supporting Christians in the Middle East. And we Christians in the Middle East. And we Christians in the Middle East. And we found one. It's called the Vulnerable found one. It's called the Vulnerable found one. It's called the Vulnerable People Project, VPP. It's one of the People Project, VPP. It's one of the People Project, VPP. It's one of the very few groups consistently helping very few groups consistently helping very few groups consistently helping vulnerable Christians throughout the vulnerable Christians throughout the vulnerable Christians throughout the Holy Land. They deliver food and water Holy Land. They deliver food and water Holy Land. They deliver food and water to Christian communities trapped in Gaza to Christian communities trapped in Gaza to Christian communities trapped in Gaza for example. They help rescue civilians.

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time from a real person. And so time from a real person. And so do you have any idea why this is the do you have any idea why this is the do you have any idea why this is the case? Which is to say, do you have any case? Which is to say, do you have any case? Which is to say, do you have any clue how CIA influences the behavior of clue how CIA influences the behavior of clue how CIA influences the behavior of the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN, NBC News, the Associated Press, CNN, NBC News, the Associated Press, CNN, NBC News, the Associated Press, etc. my limited window because I like I etc. my limited window because I like I etc. my limited window because I like I said I I'm a ops officer. Up until said I I'm a ops officer. Up until said I I'm a ops officer. Up until recently all I cared about was stealing recently all I cared about was stealing recently all I cared about was stealing secrets, secrets, secrets, >> right, in some foreign country. >> right, in some foreign country. >> right, in some foreign country. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. To be clear, not >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. To be clear, not >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. To be clear, not American secrets. American secrets. American secrets. >> I want to ask you about that in a >> I want to ask you about that in a >> I want to ask you about that in a minute, but minute, but minute, but >> Okay. Um >> Okay. Um >> Okay. Um my limited window is there's clearly my limited window is there's clearly my limited window is there's clearly some preferred outlets that they will go some preferred outlets that they will go some preferred outlets that they will go to. Um I mean I I see some of these to. Um I mean I I see some of these to. Um I mean I I see some of these things and these are puff pieces. These things and these are puff pieces. These things and these are puff pieces. These are these are cheerleading pieces uh you are these are cheerleading pieces uh you are these are cheerleading pieces uh you know talking about how great things are know talking about how great things are know talking about how great things are you know talking about all the things you know talking about all the things you know talking about all the things all the reform that's I've seen a few all the reform that's I've seen a few all the reform that's I've seen a few recently recently recently >> the the problem with CI I've long >> the the problem with CI I've long >> the the problem with CI I've long thought this is it doesn't get enough thought this is it doesn't get enough thought this is it doesn't get enough money and so Congress needs to money and so Congress needs to money and so Congress needs to appropriate more money to that's every appropriate more money to that's every appropriate more money to that's every piece is like that piece is like that piece is like that >> right >> right >> right >> if only if only they could you know they >> if only if only they could you know they >> if only if only they could you know they had full funding um [laughter] had full funding um [laughter] had full funding um [laughter] >> right what >> right what >> right what >> right which I mean which is a great >> right which I mean which is a great >> right which I mean which is a great point you know not only did they not get point you know not only did they not get point you know not only did they not get enough fun no um the funding piece is enough fun no um the funding piece is enough fun no um the funding piece is actually interesting that you mentioned actually interesting that you mentioned actually interesting that you mentioned it because it's also it because it's also it because it's also sorry this might be a nonsequittor but I sorry this might be a nonsequittor but I sorry this might be a nonsequittor but I think it's important part of the the think it's important part of the the think it's important part of the the reason we failed is um the Patriot Act reason we failed is um the Patriot Act reason we failed is um the Patriot Act and 9/11 and 9/11 and 9/11 um you know I was part of the whole

um you know I was part of the whole um you know I was part of the whole system post 911 I can tell you I never system post 911 I can tell you I never system post 911 I can tell you I never had a time even during continuing had a time even during continuing had a time even during continuing resolutions where like if I went to the resolutions where like if I went to the resolutions where like if I went to the boss and said hey boss I got this great boss and said hey boss I got this great boss and said hey boss I got this great operation going on you need more money operation going on you need more money operation going on you need more money they always found money for me and I they always found money for me and I they always found money for me and I think I think I think we started think I think I think we started think I think I think we started confusing good managers for good confusing good managers for good confusing good managers for good leaders. So after 9/11 Patriot Act leaders. So after 9/11 Patriot Act leaders. So after 9/11 Patriot Act opened up a bunch of authorities um a opened up a bunch of authorities um a opened up a bunch of authorities um a bunch of operations were opened up and bunch of operations were opened up and bunch of operations were opened up and you know the good managers are the ones you know the good managers are the ones you know the good managers are the ones who could juggle a gazillion different who could juggle a gazillion different who could juggle a gazillion different things at once. I you know I wish I was things at once. I you know I wish I was things at once. I you know I wish I was one of those people. I was never good at one of those people. I was never good at one of those people. I was never good at juggling a gazillion things at once. I juggling a gazillion things at once. I juggling a gazillion things at once. I you know I stuck to sort of a handful of you know I stuck to sort of a handful of you know I stuck to sort of a handful of things I knew I could accomplish. But things I knew I could accomplish. But things I knew I could accomplish. But the good managers, they could. And they the good managers, they could. And they the good managers, they could. And they were working in a time where there was a were working in a time where there was a were working in a time where there was a ton of money. We've always had money. ton of money. We've always had money. ton of money. We've always had money. We've always had money. And so those We've always had money. And so those We've always had money. And so those good managers who didn't really have to good managers who didn't really have to good managers who didn't really have to get tested about, hey, should we do get tested about, hey, should we do get tested about, hey, should we do this? Should we save this money for this? Should we save this money for this? Should we save this money for something else? Should we make this something else? Should we make this something else? Should we make this moral decision on blah blah blah blah moral decision on blah blah blah blah moral decision on blah blah blah blah blah? Uh they got confused as good blah? Uh they got confused as good blah? Uh they got confused as good leaders. So they got they metriculated leaders. So they got they metriculated leaders. So they got they metriculated upwards and they were never really and upwards and they were never really and upwards and they were never really and this is a generalization they were never this is a generalization they were never this is a generalization they were never really tested in terms of uh moral really tested in terms of uh moral really tested in terms of uh moral decisions or decisions that were decisions or decisions that were decisions or decisions that were weighty in terms of like should we weighty in terms of like should we weighty in terms of like should we continue doing this operation or not. So continue doing this operation or not. So continue doing this operation or not. So you know and we had chances to be you know and we had chances to be you know and we had chances to be tested. How many people spoke up during tested. How many people spoke up during tested. How many people spoke up during um the whole enhanced interrogation um the whole enhanced interrogation um the whole enhanced interrogation piece? How many people came forward and

piece? How many people came forward and piece? How many people came forward and said, "Hey, last I checked, that's said, "Hey, last I checked, that's said, "Hey, last I checked, that's torture." torture." torture." >> Well, one did. >> Well, one did. >> Well, one did. >> One did and he was destroyed, right? >> One did and he was destroyed, right? >> One did and he was destroyed, right? >> He went to prison >> He went to prison >> He went to prison >> under the subsequent administration, >> under the subsequent administration, >> under the subsequent administration, which was the amazing part. which was the amazing part. which was the amazing part. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> So, he came forward during Bush, but >> So, he came forward during Bush, but >> So, he came forward during Bush, but Obama got there and John Brennan Obama got there and John Brennan Obama got there and John Brennan immediately saw that he was indicted and immediately saw that he was indicted and immediately saw that he was indicted and sent to prison and wrecked his life. So sent to prison and wrecked his life. So sent to prison and wrecked his life. So all these managers who have continued to all these managers who have continued to all these managers who have continued to be moved up, they've never had to make be moved up, they've never had to make be moved up, they've never had to make hard moral decision, co heads, and you hard moral decision, co heads, and you hard moral decision, co heads, and you got people saying, "Hey, I've got got people saying, "Hey, I've got got people saying, "Hey, I've got religious rights. Hey, I've got bodily religious rights. Hey, I've got bodily religious rights. Hey, I've got bodily rights. Hey, this is executive rights. Hey, this is executive rights. Hey, this is executive overreach." overreach." overreach." And no one knew how to handle that. And And no one knew how to handle that. And And no one knew how to handle that. And it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the management, they're not leaders, the management, they're not leaders, the management, they're not leaders, the managers in the CIA are not trained to managers in the CIA are not trained to managers in the CIA are not trained to handle conscientious disscent and real handle conscientious disscent and real handle conscientious disscent and real moral decisions. It it for me that was moral decisions. It it for me that was moral decisions. It it for me that was that was it. They they failed a test of that was it. They they failed a test of that was it. They they failed a test of their humanity and um their humanity and um their humanity and um that opened my eyes. Do um there's a that opened my eyes. Do um there's a that opened my eyes. Do um there's a open qu no one asks this question very open qu no one asks this question very open qu no one asks this question very often but uh where does CIA's funding often but uh where does CIA's funding often but uh where does CIA's funding come from? Well comes from the Congress come from? Well comes from the Congress come from? Well comes from the Congress in part but that's not the entirety of in part but that's not the entirety of in part but that's not the entirety of its funding.

its funding. its funding. >> Period. And but the part that is >> Period. And but the part that is >> Period. And but the part that is appropriated is classified. So, we don't appropriated is classified. So, we don't appropriated is classified. So, we don't know exactly what the budget is. know exactly what the budget is. know exactly what the budget is. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> How can you and I'm pretty sure the >> How can you and I'm pretty sure the >> How can you and I'm pretty sure the president doesn't know. In fact, I'm president doesn't know. In fact, I'm president doesn't know. In fact, I'm pretty certain the president doesn't pretty certain the president doesn't pretty certain the president doesn't know. So, like how how is that civilian know. So, like how how is that civilian know. So, like how how is that civilian control of an agency if no one really control of an agency if no one really control of an agency if no one really knows how much money there is or even knows how much money there is or even knows how much money there is or even where it's coming from? It's not, you where it's coming from? It's not, you where it's coming from? It's not, you know, and there's, know, and there's, know, and there's, you know, there there are reasons why you know, there there are reasons why you know, there there are reasons why they want to hide budget. They don't they want to hide budget. They don't they want to hide budget. They don't want people and like want people and like want people and like >> I really believe in sources and methods. >> I really believe in sources and methods. >> I really believe in sources and methods. We don't want to see sources dead. We We don't want to see sources dead. We We don't want to see sources dead. We don't want to see sensitive methods don't want to see sensitive methods don't want to see sensitive methods destroyed. destroyed. destroyed. >> But um you know if if the naming >> But um you know if if the naming >> But um you know if if the naming conventions for um the various offices conventions for um the various offices conventions for um the various offices at the CIA are made so indistinct at the CIA are made so indistinct at the CIA are made so indistinct that outsiders that outsiders that outsiders can't understand what they do in that can't understand what they do in that can't understand what they do in that office. office. office. Well, um that that's meant to protect Well, um that that's meant to protect Well, um that that's meant to protect the type of operations you work. That's the type of operations you work. That's the type of operations you work. That's sources and methods of course. But sources and methods of course. But sources and methods of course. But there's a real question on the oversight there's a real question on the oversight there's a real question on the oversight piece, like how does oversight happen if piece, like how does oversight happen if piece, like how does oversight happen if you can't go, what exactly does that you can't go, what exactly does that you can't go, what exactly does that office do right there? What does it do?

office do right there? What does it do? office do right there? What does it do? It's got a weird name. Where's the money It's got a weird name. Where's the money It's got a weird name. Where's the money going? Yeah. How why does it need that going? Yeah. How why does it need that going? Yeah. How why does it need that much money? And you also have to ask much money? And you also have to ask much money? And you also have to ask like, is CIA doing anything that's so like, is CIA doing anything that's so like, is CIA doing anything that's so critical to the interest of the United critical to the interest of the United critical to the interest of the United States that you would give up any hope States that you would give up any hope States that you would give up any hope of managing it or having oversight over of managing it or having oversight over of managing it or having oversight over it that you would allow it to be its own it that you would allow it to be its own it that you would allow it to be its own country in the middle of your country? country in the middle of your country? country in the middle of your country? The answer is there that shouldn't The answer is there that shouldn't The answer is there that shouldn't occur. occur. occur. >> Period. I mean morally, ethically, no. >> Period. I mean morally, ethically, no. >> Period. I mean morally, ethically, no. Is it occurring? I worry it is. Is it occurring? I worry it is. Is it occurring? I worry it is. >> Oh, I It's definitely occurring. There's >> Oh, I It's definitely occurring. There's >> Oh, I It's definitely occurring. There's no question about I mean I mean Yeah. I no question about I mean I mean Yeah. I no question about I mean I mean Yeah. I mean, from my experience, it sure looks mean, from my experience, it sure looks mean, from my experience, it sure looks like it. like it. like it. >> Yeah, it sure does. And again, if we >> Yeah, it sure does. And again, if we >> Yeah, it sure does. And again, if we don't even really know, there's a big don't even really know, there's a big don't even really know, there's a big debate, debate, debate, uh, which I've listened to carefully uh, which I've listened to carefully uh, which I've listened to carefully about where this money is coming from. about where this money is coming from. about where this money is coming from. And again, is not all coming from the And again, is not all coming from the And again, is not all coming from the Congress. So what Congress. So what Congress. So what um um um >> follow the money >> follow the money >> follow the money >> how can you if CIA is running businesses >> how can you if CIA is running businesses >> how can you if CIA is running businesses or engaged in business practices as an or engaged in business practices as an or engaged in business practices as an agency which it is it's like I get that agency which it is it's like I get that agency which it is it's like I get that this can all be justified if if I were this can all be justified if if I were this can all be justified if if I were king for a day if I were in charge and I king for a day if I were in charge and I king for a day if I were in charge and I wanted to start the process I I totally wanted to start the process I I totally wanted to start the process I I totally get this it's it's become such a get this it's it's become such a get this it's it's become such a gargantuan problem where do you even gargantuan problem where do you even gargantuan problem where do you even start start start >> right >> right >> right >> but if I wanted to like make immediate >> but if I wanted to like make immediate >> but if I wanted to like make immediate gains gains gains on that question. How do we I would so on that question. How do we I would so on that question. How do we I would so the director of CIA, the deputy director the director of CIA, the deputy director the director of CIA, the deputy director of CIA, and it used to be the chief of CIA, and it used to be the chief of CIA, and it used to be the chief operating officer, they've changed operating officer, they've changed operating officer, they've changed names. They have special authorities um names. They have special authorities um names. They have special authorities um to grant no bid contracts um the under to grant no bid contracts um the under to grant no bid contracts um the under national security o opices.

national security o opices. national security o opices. I would come in and I would start I would come in and I would start I would come in and I would start auditing every single one of those auditing every single one of those auditing every single one of those contracts that were given out by the contracts that were given out by the contracts that were given out by the director and deputy director director and deputy director director and deputy director particularly in that little window particularly in that little window particularly in that little window between administrations. Okay. Once you between administrations. Okay. Once you between administrations. Okay. Once you catch a little bit of wrongdoing, it catch a little bit of wrongdoing, it catch a little bit of wrongdoing, it makes a lot easier to justify. Okay, now makes a lot easier to justify. Okay, now makes a lot easier to justify. Okay, now we're going to start doing the deep we're going to start doing the deep we're going to start doing the deep dive. Why don't we take a look at, you dive. Why don't we take a look at, you dive. Why don't we take a look at, you know, the other funding me mechanisms know, the other funding me mechanisms know, the other funding me mechanisms that are in play for various type types that are in play for various type types that are in play for various type types of u intelligence work. I would of u intelligence work. I would of u intelligence work. I would definitely I would definitely audit definitely I would definitely audit definitely I would definitely audit Incel Incel Incel 100%. Inutel needs to have a full audit. 100%. Inutel needs to have a full audit. 100%. Inutel needs to have a full audit. >> Can you explain for people who don't >> Can you explain for people who don't >> Can you explain for people who don't know what Inkel is? know what Inkel is? know what Inkel is? >> Inutel is uh you know it's it's the >> Inutel is uh you know it's it's the >> Inutel is uh you know it's it's the venture capital arm that funds all sorts venture capital arm that funds all sorts venture capital arm that funds all sorts of stuff that um of stuff that um of stuff that um >> venture capital [clears throat] arm of >> venture capital [clears throat] arm of >> venture capital [clears throat] arm of what? what? what? >> Of the CIA. >> Of the CIA. >> Of the CIA. >> Okay. I mean I know the answer. I just >> Okay. I mean I know the answer. I just >> Okay. I mean I know the answer. I just want to make sure that everyone want to make sure that everyone want to make sure that everyone listening understands listening understands listening understands >> that CIA has its own and I'm quoting you >> that CIA has its own and I'm quoting you >> that CIA has its own and I'm quoting you venture capital arm. Yeah. So, we venture capital arm. Yeah. So, we venture capital arm. Yeah. So, we thought that's something that happened thought that's something that happened thought that's something that happened on like Sand Hill Road in, you know, on like Sand Hill Road in, you know, on like Sand Hill Road in, you know, Northern California, but no, CI has its Northern California, but no, CI has its Northern California, but no, CI has its own venture firm.

own venture firm. own venture firm. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there there's there's real reason to have uh there's there's real reason to have uh there's there's real reason to have uh insight into things that are tech and insight into things that are tech and insight into things that are tech and things that are of value. There are things that are of value. There are things that are of value. There are there's good reason to have it, but um there's good reason to have it, but um there's good reason to have it, but um if you're going to do it, if you're if you're going to do it, if you're if you're going to do it, if you're going to do it, um you better you better going to do it, um you better you better going to do it, um you better you better be able to justify every penny. Well, be able to justify every penny. Well, be able to justify every penny. Well, and you have to have control over it by and you have to have control over it by and you have to have control over it by the public through its representatives. the public through its representatives. the public through its representatives. So, what happened in Pakistan is you So, what happened in Pakistan is you So, what happened in Pakistan is you know, I don't know if you've been posted know, I don't know if you've been posted know, I don't know if you've been posted in Pakistan, but like in Pakistan, but like in Pakistan, but like >> Pakistan did this with its military and >> Pakistan did this with its military and >> Pakistan did this with its military and the next thing you know, the military the next thing you know, the military the next thing you know, the military runs Pakistan. runs Pakistan. runs Pakistan. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And no matter who you vote for, the >> And no matter who you vote for, the >> And no matter who you vote for, the military still runs Pakistan. So, you military still runs Pakistan. So, you military still runs Pakistan. So, you don't want that cuz that's the opposite don't want that cuz that's the opposite don't want that cuz that's the opposite of democracy, right? of democracy, right? of democracy, right? >> I spent two years in Pakistan. >> I spent two years in Pakistan. >> I spent two years in Pakistan. >> Okay. Then, I didn't even know that. But >> Okay. Then, I didn't even know that. But >> Okay. Then, I didn't even know that. But is that a fair assessment? is that a fair assessment? is that a fair assessment? >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a fair assessment. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a fair assessment. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a fair assessment. >> I mean, how many businesses does the >> I mean, how many businesses does the >> I mean, how many businesses does the Pakistani military own? A lot Pakistani military own? A lot Pakistani military own? A lot >> lot a lot a lot right and they're the >> lot a lot a lot right and they're the >> lot a lot a lot right and they're the best fun institution in the country is best fun institution in the country is best fun institution in the country is really obvious when you drive around really obvious when you drive around really obvious when you drive around Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan >> it's like all the mowed lawns are the >> it's like all the mowed lawns are the >> it's like all the mowed lawns are the military bases. military bases. military bases. >> Yep.

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that they want to wait. that they want to wait. >> Explain what a product is. You're not >> Explain what a product is. You're not >> Explain what a product is. You're not you're not talking about a new kind of you're not talking about a new kind of you're not talking about a new kind of toothpaste, toothpaste, toothpaste, >> right? Right. No. So, you know, analysts >> right? Right. No. So, you know, analysts >> right? Right. No. So, you know, analysts will write a paper finished intelligence will write a paper finished intelligence will write a paper finished intelligence on some topic and there's different on some topic and there's different on some topic and there's different types of papers you can they've got types of papers you can they've got types of papers you can they've got different names. Um, but there's there's different names. Um, but there's there's different names. Um, but there's there's a there's a new type of of analytical a there's a new type of of analytical a there's a new type of of analytical product that they can write up now, product that they can write up now, product that they can write up now, which that is supposed to be shared with which that is supposed to be shared with which that is supposed to be shared with the community. That's the whole point. the community. That's the whole point. the community. That's the whole point. You write something up, you share it You write something up, you share it You write something up, you share it with the community. No, they decided with the community. No, they decided with the community. No, they decided they're going to keep it inside the CIA they're going to keep it inside the CIA they're going to keep it inside the CIA and not propagate it outwards. If uh and not propagate it outwards. If uh and not propagate it outwards. If uh oversight wants to look at something, oversight wants to look at something, oversight wants to look at something, look at those papers that are being look at those papers that are being look at those papers that are being written uh that are meant to stay inside written uh that are meant to stay inside written uh that are meant to stay inside the CIA and not go anywhere. My gut the CIA and not go anywhere. My gut the CIA and not go anywhere. My gut tells me they're just going to hang on tells me they're just going to hang on tells me they're just going to hang on to them until they can make them go to them until they can make them go to them until they can make them go somewhere. Uh maybe the next somewhere. Uh maybe the next somewhere. Uh maybe the next administration. Who knows? administration. Who knows? administration. Who knows? >> Right. I mean, you're describing the >> Right. I mean, you're describing the >> Right. I mean, you're describing the ability to create dossas on people. ability to create dossas on people. ability to create dossas on people. >> Dossas on all sorts of stuff. >> Dossas on all sorts of stuff. >> Dossas on all sorts of stuff. >> So, here's the reform that I would uh >> So, here's the reform that I would uh >> So, here's the reform that I would uh institute if I had the power to do it. institute if I had the power to do it. institute if I had the power to do it. The president of the United States asks The president of the United States asks The president of the United States asks for information that is held by one of for information that is held by one of for information that is held by one of his agencies that he oversees because his agencies that he oversees because his agencies that he oversees because he's one of only two elected officials he's one of only two elected officials he's one of only two elected officials in the entire executive branch of in the entire executive branch of in the entire executive branch of government and the CA does not produce government and the CA does not produce government and the CA does not produce that information. And then that's the that information. And then that's the that information. And then that's the point in which you call John Radcliffe point in which you call John Radcliffe point in which you call John Radcliffe and you say, "Listen, [laughter] and you say, "Listen, [laughter] and you say, "Listen, [laughter] You've got 24 hours to do this or I'm You've got 24 hours to do this or I'm You've got 24 hours to do this or I'm having Cash Patel have you arrested."

having Cash Patel have you arrested." having Cash Patel have you arrested." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But there's none of that. It's like the >> But there's none of that. It's like the >> But there's none of that. It's like the president's proxies ask for information president's proxies ask for information president's proxies ask for information from CIA and they're like, "We can't from CIA and they're like, "We can't from CIA and they're like, "We can't find it." find it." find it." >> Yeah. when everyone knows that's a lie. >> Yeah. when everyone knows that's a lie. >> Yeah. when everyone knows that's a lie. Well, election security. Here's a good Well, election security. Here's a good Well, election security. Here's a good one. Kurt Olsen is the guy, one. Kurt Olsen is the guy, one. Kurt Olsen is the guy, >> but like would that work? Why couldn't >> but like would that work? Why couldn't >> but like would that work? Why couldn't you do that? you do that? you do that? >> You could in theory. >> You could in theory. >> You could in theory. >> What do you mean in theory? He the >> What do you mean in theory? He the >> What do you mean in theory? He the president this is the president's president this is the president's president this is the president's agency. He was elected by the public to agency. He was elected by the public to agency. He was elected by the public to run CIA. Like I'm I'm missing something. run CIA. Like I'm I'm missing something. run CIA. Like I'm I'm missing something. >> Sorry. No, you are treat CIA like it's a >> Sorry. No, you are treat CIA like it's a >> Sorry. No, you are treat CIA like it's a foreign power that he has to negotiate foreign power that he has to negotiate foreign power that he has to negotiate with. I don't I can't understand why. with. I don't I can't understand why. with. I don't I can't understand why. >> It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. >> It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. >> It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. It should work like that, but it's it's It should work like that, but it's it's It should work like that, but it's it's not. It's not working like that. Um not. It's not working like that. Um not. It's not working like that. Um there are negotiate like frankly there are negotiate like frankly there are negotiate like frankly director Gabbard shouldn't have to director Gabbard shouldn't have to director Gabbard shouldn't have to negotiate with um with uh uh director negotiate with um with uh uh director negotiate with um with uh uh director Radcliffe over some of this stuff. She Radcliffe over some of this stuff. She Radcliffe over some of this stuff. She had people in her team that that um uh had people in her team that that um uh had people in her team that that um uh have all the intelligence background to have all the intelligence background to have all the intelligence background to handle the type of products that were handle the type of products that were handle the type of products that were coming out of CIA operational traffic coming out of CIA operational traffic coming out of CIA operational traffic those sort of things and had to those sort of things and had to those sort of things and had to negotiate. Everybody's got to negotiate.

negotiate. Everybody's got to negotiate. negotiate. Everybody's got to negotiate. Why do we have to negotiate? Why would Why do we have to negotiate? Why would Why do we have to negotiate? Why would president where's the president in this? president where's the president in this? president where's the president in this? The president issues an executive order The president issues an executive order The president issues an executive order January 23rd saying I want all available January 23rd saying I want all available January 23rd saying I want all available documentation on these number of documentation on these number of documentation on these number of historical incidents including the historical incidents including the historical incidents including the assassinations of the 60s but not not assassinations of the 60s but not not assassinations of the 60s but not not limited to those. He doesn't get it. limited to those. He doesn't get it. limited to those. He doesn't get it. >> He does not. And you know I >> He does not. And you know I >> He does not. And you know I >> So why doesn't Trump say where okay it's >> So why doesn't Trump say where okay it's >> So why doesn't Trump say where okay it's been a month I want it by this been a month I want it by this been a month I want it by this afternoon. afternoon. afternoon. >> Where is it? >> Where is it? >> Where is it? >> Or you're under arrest. I I just don't I >> Or you're under arrest. I I just don't I >> Or you're under arrest. I I just don't I don't What is going on? I wish I knew. I don't What is going on? I wish I knew. I don't What is going on? I wish I knew. I wish I knew because we we expected we wish I knew because we we expected we wish I knew because we we expected we we and I, you know, when I say we, I we and I, you know, when I say we, I we and I, you know, when I say we, I mean the American public voted for the mean the American public voted for the mean the American public voted for the greatest disruptor in American history. greatest disruptor in American history. greatest disruptor in American history. >> It's not hard, is it? But he's not, for >> It's not hard, is it? But he's not, for >> It's not hard, is it? But he's not, for some reason, he's not being the greatest some reason, he's not being the greatest some reason, he's not being the greatest finisher in my opinion. He's a colluder finisher in my opinion. He's a colluder finisher in my opinion. He's a colluder with the system. I don't I don't get it. with the system. I don't I don't get it. with the system. I don't I don't get it. I don't I don't understand because um we I don't I don't understand because um we I don't I don't understand because um we we really want to see him successful. we really want to see him successful. we really want to see him successful. So, how hard is it to get and I'll just So, how hard is it to get and I'll just So, how hard is it to get and I'll just going to pick the most benign of them going to pick the most benign of them going to pick the most benign of them all and that was Kennedy's murders all and that was Kennedy's murders all and that was Kennedy's murders because it's so old, right?

because it's so old, right? because it's so old, right? >> But there's it's not possible you're >> But there's it's not possible you're >> But there's it's not possible you're revealing sources and methods. revealing sources and methods. revealing sources and methods. Everyone's dead. Like, I don't really Everyone's dead. Like, I don't really Everyone's dead. Like, I don't really see the legitimate impediment to see the legitimate impediment to see the legitimate impediment to producing these documents after all producing these documents after all producing these documents after all these years and all these votes by the these years and all these votes by the these years and all these votes by the Congress to do the to do it. Multiple Congress to do the to do it. Multiple Congress to do the to do it. Multiple executive orders, including this one. executive orders, including this one. executive orders, including this one. So, they don't produce those documents, So, they don't produce those documents, So, they don't produce those documents, which they have not. They have not. Why which they have not. They have not. Why which they have not. They have not. Why why is it would be hard for Trump just why is it would be hard for Trump just why is it would be hard for Trump just to say time's up, I want them now. to say time's up, I want them now. to say time's up, I want them now. >> There is a sea of lawyers who cavettes >> There is a sea of lawyers who cavettes >> There is a sea of lawyers who cavettes and say here's here's all the things and say here's here's all the things and say here's here's all the things that are um here's all the reasons you that are um here's all the reasons you that are um here's all the reasons you could be sideways with the law. Here's could be sideways with the law. Here's could be sideways with the law. Here's all Trump has full power to do all this all Trump has full power to do all this all Trump has full power to do all this but but but >> he does correct. >> he does correct. >> he does correct. >> He he could just do it immediately >> He he could just do it immediately >> He he could just do it immediately but for some reason the bureaucrats but for some reason the bureaucrats but for some reason the bureaucrats they all sit around cavetting over all they all sit around cavetting over all they all sit around cavetting over all the legal ramifications I think. And Tom the legal ramifications I think. And Tom the legal ramifications I think. And Tom Cotton too is Cotton too is Cotton too is >> Tom Cotton too does not want disclosure >> Tom Cotton too does not want disclosure >> Tom Cotton too does not want disclosure does not want disclosure at this point. does not want disclosure at this point. does not want disclosure at this point. >> Like if we're serious about reform, we >> Like if we're serious about reform, we >> Like if we're serious about reform, we just got to lay it all out and let it just got to lay it all out and let it just got to lay it all out and let it let it like if if the documents are that let it like if if the documents are that let it like if if the documents are that come out, these operational records come come out, these operational records come come out, these operational records come out uh you know and they show all sorts out uh you know and they show all sorts out uh you know and they show all sorts of wrongdoing that happened decades ago.

of wrongdoing that happened decades ago. of wrongdoing that happened decades ago. Maybe we can finally start correcting Maybe we can finally start correcting Maybe we can finally start correcting those mistakes that happened and and those mistakes that happened and and those mistakes that happened and and improve the institutions. Um, I improve the institutions. Um, I improve the institutions. Um, I physically handled the MK Ultra physically handled the MK Ultra physically handled the MK Ultra documents. Okay, I they they're about, documents. Okay, I they they're about, documents. Okay, I they they're about, you know, this high in the office. I And you know, this high in the office. I And you know, this high in the office. I And again, I was hired labor that day. I again, I was hired labor that day. I again, I was hired labor that day. I just needed to move the documents for just needed to move the documents for just needed to move the documents for somebody into another office. But those somebody into another office. But those somebody into another office. But those were the MK Ultra. I thumb through them. were the MK Ultra. I thumb through them. were the MK Ultra. I thumb through them. And um um there's no reason there is And um um there's no reason there is And um um there's no reason there is absolutely no reason to to not just put absolutely no reason to to not just put absolutely no reason to to not just put that out. Okay. I think those documents that out. Okay. I think those documents that out. Okay. I think those documents that are JFK, which um there was no that are JFK, which um there was no that are JFK, which um there was no daring daylight raid or anything like daring daylight raid or anything like daring daylight raid or anything like that, that that is that was incorrect. that, that that is that was incorrect. that, that that is that was incorrect. Um DNI was locked out of a of getting Um DNI was locked out of a of getting Um DNI was locked out of a of getting those access to those documents. And those access to those documents. And those access to those documents. And some of those documents um they're going some of those documents um they're going some of those documents um they're going to use bureaucratic double speak to talk to use bureaucratic double speak to talk to use bureaucratic double speak to talk about why, you know, DNI doesn't need about why, you know, DNI doesn't need about why, you know, DNI doesn't need certain documents, why some of these certain documents, why some of these certain documents, why some of these documents probably need to stay, you documents probably need to stay, you documents probably need to stay, you know, behind closed doors. It's all know, behind closed doors. It's all know, behind closed doors. It's all bullpy. Um, it's too old. It's too long bullpy. Um, it's too old. It's too long bullpy. Um, it's too old. It's too long ago. It It has to be released.

ago. It It has to be released. ago. It It has to be released. >> There's an executive order with the >> There's an executive order with the >> There's an executive order with the force of law requiring the release of force of law requiring the release of force of law requiring the release of these documents with no caveats in it. these documents with no caveats in it. these documents with no caveats in it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, they're breaking the law by holding >> So, they're breaking the law by holding >> So, they're breaking the law by holding these. these. these. >> You could say the same thing with the CO >> You could say the same thing with the CO >> You could say the same thing with the CO act of 2023 that was unanimously passed. act of 2023 that was unanimously passed. act of 2023 that was unanimously passed. Said we want all of it disclosed. Said we want all of it disclosed. Said we want all of it disclosed. >> Was it? >> Was it? >> Was it? >> No. No. There's thousands of documents >> No. No. There's thousands of documents >> No. No. There's thousands of documents that are still sitting there. And I pray that are still sitting there. And I pray that are still sitting there. And I pray that PY or whoever else comes after him that PY or whoever else comes after him that PY or whoever else comes after him or even Ratcliffe, I don't care who does or even Ratcliffe, I don't care who does or even Ratcliffe, I don't care who does it, declassify him. There's thousands of it, declassify him. There's thousands of it, declassify him. There's thousands of documents. documents. documents. >> Well, that's of course not going to >> Well, that's of course not going to >> Well, that's of course not going to happen. And I'm sure Tom Co Tom Cotton happen. And I'm sure Tom Co Tom Cotton happen. And I'm sure Tom Co Tom Cotton would jump up and prevent it. would jump up and prevent it. would jump up and prevent it. >> Yeah. And it's too bad because um >> Yeah. And it's too bad because um >> Yeah. And it's too bad because um they're the people who put this they're the people who put this they're the people who put this administration administration administration in office is going to look at that and in office is going to look at that and in office is going to look at that and they're going to they're going to they're going to they're going to they're going to they're going to they're not going to be happy. And um they're not going to be happy. And um they're not going to be happy. And um >> well, it's not a democracy if you don't >> well, it's not a democracy if you don't >> well, it's not a democracy if you don't know what your government's doing. know what your government's doing. know what your government's doing. >> Yeah. And what about 9/11? Was there >> Yeah. And what about 9/11? Was there >> Yeah. And what about 9/11? Was there ever an effort to cuz as you just said ever an effort to cuz as you just said ever an effort to cuz as you just said yourself, it was the Patriot Act in the yourself, it was the Patriot Act in the yourself, it was the Patriot Act in the wake of 9/11 that changed the whole wake of 9/11 that changed the whole wake of 9/11 that changed the whole structure, structure, structure, >> changed the country forever.

>> changed the country forever. >> changed the country forever. >> There's never been a meaningful push to >> There's never been a meaningful push to >> There's never been a meaningful push to declassify after 25 years. I you know I declassify after 25 years. I you know I declassify after 25 years. I you know I I can't there was no push for 9/11 during my there was no push for 9/11 during my time at the dig to declassify anything time at the dig to declassify anything time at the dig to declassify anything as far as as far as as far as >> I'm very aware of that. I wonder why. >> I'm very aware of that. I wonder why. >> I'm very aware of that. I wonder why. >> Um [clears throat] I have my theories. I >> Um [clears throat] I have my theories. I >> Um [clears throat] I have my theories. I mean mean mean >> what are your theories? that there's >> what are your theories? that there's >> what are your theories? that there's something that's, something that's, something that's, you know, all these people who are out you know, all these people who are out you know, all these people who are out there that say, um, you know, the there that say, um, you know, the there that say, um, you know, the government can't keep a secret. And, you government can't keep a secret. And, you government can't keep a secret. And, you know, you're you're you're a cook. If know, you're you're you're a cook. If know, you're you're you're a cook. If you think that, you know, you think that, you know, you think that, you know, >> there's a possibility there was >> there's a possibility there was >> there's a possibility there was something some underhanded thing something some underhanded thing something some underhanded thing happening behind the behind the curtain. happening behind the behind the curtain. happening behind the behind the curtain. I can tell you we can keep a secret. I I can tell you we can keep a secret. I I can tell you we can keep a secret. I know. I've kept secrets. I am keeping know. I've kept secrets. I am keeping know. I've kept secrets. I am keeping secrets. Okay? Um, morally, ethically, secrets. Okay? Um, morally, ethically, secrets. Okay? Um, morally, ethically, I'm keeping secrets. Um, and if somebody I'm keeping secrets. Um, and if somebody I'm keeping secrets. Um, and if somebody says that a group of people can't keep a says that a group of people can't keep a says that a group of people can't keep a secret about 9/11, that's not true. secret about 9/11, that's not true. secret about 9/11, that's not true. Okay. I have questions about building 7.

Okay. I have questions about building 7. Okay. I have questions about building 7. That for me was a wakeup call. And That for me was a wakeup call. And That for me was a wakeup call. And >> that's where the CIA office was. >> that's where the CIA office was. >> that's where the CIA office was. >> That Yeah. And so I have a real real >> That Yeah. And so I have a real real >> That Yeah. And so I have a real real question about building 7. It does not question about building 7. It does not question about building 7. It does not make sense. And this is And again, make sense. And this is And again, make sense. And this is And again, I used to be a normal CIA officer, you I used to be a normal CIA officer, you I used to be a normal CIA officer, you know. I know. I know. I >> That's such a great sentence. I used to >> That's such a great sentence. I used to >> That's such a great sentence. I used to be a normal CIO. [laughter] be a normal CIO. [laughter] be a normal CIO. [laughter] >> It's true. >> It's true. >> It's true. >> Assuming that's a category, >> Assuming that's a category, >> Assuming that's a category, >> you know, it is a category. Um >> you know, it is a category. Um >> you know, it is a category. Um >> I'm just joking. I know it's a category. >> I'm just joking. I know it's a category. >> I'm just joking. I know it's a category. >> It I you know, I I and I I still I still >> It I you know, I I and I I still I still >> It I you know, I I and I I still I still love the agency, love the agency, love the agency, but there's something but there's something but there's something uh there's something off with with uh there's something off with with uh there's something off with with building 7. And building 7. And building 7. And >> something off? Yeah. Like how did it >> something off? Yeah. Like how did it >> something off? Yeah. Like how did it fall down? [laughter] fall down? [laughter] fall down? [laughter] Uh Uh Uh >> why why was it announced on television >> why why was it announced on television >> why why was it announced on television before it fell down? before it fell down? before it fell down? >> Yeah, those are real questions that need >> Yeah, those are real questions that need >> Yeah, those are real questions that need real answers. real answers. real answers. >> So because the CIA there was a CI office >> So because the CIA there was a CI office >> So because the CIA there was a CI office in that building. They admitted it. Um I in that building. They admitted it. Um I in that building. They admitted it. Um I didn't misremember that. didn't misremember that. didn't misremember that. >> No, you didn't. >> No, you didn't. >> No, you didn't. >> Did anyone ever talk about this?

>> Did anyone ever talk about this? >> Did anyone ever talk about this? >> Well, you mean >> Well, you mean >> Well, you mean >> at CIA over the course of my career? >> at CIA over the course of my career? >> at CIA over the course of my career? What happened? What happened? What happened? >> Yeah. Like what happened to our office >> Yeah. Like what happened to our office >> Yeah. Like what happened to our office in building 7? in building 7? in building 7? >> There no plane hit but somehow it fell >> There no plane hit but somehow it fell >> There no plane hit but somehow it fell down. So when I say I used to be a down. So when I say I used to be a down. So when I say I used to be a normal CIA officer for most my career no normal CIA officer for most my career no normal CIA officer for most my career no one I knew talked about that one I knew talked about that one I knew talked about that >> right >> right >> right >> and it wasn't until co that I started >> and it wasn't until co that I started >> and it wasn't until co that I started running into people um running into people um running into people um whatever this means it wasn't until co whatever this means it wasn't until co whatever this means it wasn't until co that I started running into people that that I started running into people that that I started running into people that started asking those questions and I was started asking those questions and I was started asking those questions and I was listening to them going first it I had a listening to them going first it I had a listening to them going first it I had a >> CIA employees >> CIA employees >> CIA employees >> yeah CIA employees I had a visceral >> yeah CIA employees I had a visceral >> yeah CIA employees I had a visceral reaction when I first heard that I was reaction when I first heard that I was reaction when I first heard that I was like what are you talking I did exactly like what are you talking I did exactly like what are you talking I did exactly that what are you talking about they that what are you talking about they that what are you talking about they can't like that that didn't happen and can't like that that didn't happen and can't like that that didn't happen and as time has gone I had the same reaction as time has gone I had the same reaction as time has gone I had the same reaction by the way. by the way. by the way. >> I you know I'm a slow learner. I'm a >> I you know I'm a slow learner. I'm a >> I you know I'm a slow learner. I'm a slow learner and um slow learner and um slow learner and um >> I'm a slow learner but um >> I'm a slow learner but um >> I'm a slow learner but um [clears throat] there's a lot of [clears throat] there's a lot of [clears throat] there's a lot of questions that need questions that need questions that need >> So what were what were other CIA >> So what were what were other CIA >> So what were what were other CIA employees who had thought about this employees who had thought about this employees who had thought about this before you did or I did. What was their before you did or I did. What was their before you did or I did. What was their theory about how that building came theory about how that building came theory about how that building came down? down? down? >> H well uh put me on the spot here. But >> H well uh put me on the spot here. But >> H well uh put me on the spot here. But >> doesn't mean it's true and you're not >> doesn't mean it's true and you're not >> doesn't mean it's true and you're not endorsing it. And I'm not I'm interested endorsing it. And I'm not I'm interested endorsing it. And I'm not I'm interested to know what actual CIA employees think to know what actual CIA employees think to know what actual CIA employees think about the destruction of the CIA office about the destruction of the CIA office about the destruction of the CIA office in building 7.

in building 7. in building 7. >> A lot of people had questions about, you >> A lot of people had questions about, you >> A lot of people had questions about, you know, the folks that were dancing on top know, the folks that were dancing on top know, the folks that were dancing on top of the top of the building and of the top of the building and of the top of the building and >> Israelis, the MSAD officers. Yeah. >> Israelis, the MSAD officers. Yeah. >> Israelis, the MSAD officers. Yeah. >> So, a lot of people had questions about >> So, a lot of people had questions about >> So, a lot of people had questions about that. A lot of people had questions that. A lot of people had questions that. A lot of people had questions about um why um was it insurance policy? about um why um was it insurance policy? about um why um was it insurance policy? I believe you did a whole segment. I believe you did a whole segment. I believe you did a whole segment. That's right. You did a whole segment on That's right. You did a whole segment on That's right. You did a whole segment on this. this. this. >> Yeah, we did. Yeah. Uh there's um >> Yeah, we did. Yeah. Uh there's um >> Yeah, we did. Yeah. Uh there's um there's an insurance policy that was there's an insurance policy that was there's an insurance policy that was taken out right beforehand which is taken out right beforehand which is taken out right beforehand which is pretty pretty uh fortuitous, pretty pretty pretty uh fortuitous, pretty pretty pretty uh fortuitous, pretty precient. Um precient. Um precient. Um >> they've brought up a whole bunch of >> they've brought up a whole bunch of >> they've brought up a whole bunch of things and um from my perspective from things and um from my perspective from things and um from my perspective from my perspective, these are good questions my perspective, these are good questions my perspective, these are good questions that deserve answers. that deserve answers. that deserve answers. >> So was the feeling that that building >> So was the feeling that that building >> So was the feeling that that building was by someone brought down? was by someone brought down? was by someone brought down? >> Yeah, I mean some have said that >> Yeah, I mean some have said that >> Yeah, I mean some have said that explicitly that I've spoken to. Yeah, explicitly that I've spoken to. Yeah, explicitly that I've spoken to. Yeah, they said explicitly yes. It sure looks they said explicitly yes. It sure looks they said explicitly yes. It sure looks like that thing was controlled explosion like that thing was controlled explosion like that thing was controlled explosion and, you know, fell in on itself. Um, and, you know, fell in on itself. Um, and, you know, fell in on itself. Um, and these are Yeah, these are active CIA and these are Yeah, these are active CIA and these are Yeah, these are active CIA officers. officers. officers. I mean, it's pretty obvious if if you if I mean, it's pretty obvious if if you if I mean, it's pretty obvious if if you if you take, you know, if you filter out you take, you know, if you filter out you take, you know, if you filter out the propaganda, the screaming in your the propaganda, the screaming in your the propaganda, the screaming in your ears from Jake Tapper, like, "Shut up, ears from Jake Tapper, like, "Shut up, ears from Jake Tapper, like, "Shut up, conspiracy nut," conspiracy nut," conspiracy nut," >> and just ask like, "Well, how did that >> and just ask like, "Well, how did that >> and just ask like, "Well, how did that happen?" You can't get an answer because happen?" You can't get an answer because happen?" You can't get an answer because obviously it was brought down with obviously it was brought down with obviously it was brought down with explosives. It explosives. It explosives. It >> it sure >> it sure >> it sure >> of some kind, right? So, but who did >> of some kind, right? So, but who did >> of some kind, right? So, but who did that and why? And by the way, that that and why? And by the way, that that and why? And by the way, that building collapsed in exactly the same building collapsed in exactly the same building collapsed in exactly the same way that the first two towers collapsed.

way that the first two towers collapsed. way that the first two towers collapsed. >> So it does raise like a bigger question. >> So it does raise like a bigger question. >> So it does raise like a bigger question. If that was fake, well, what else is If that was fake, well, what else is If that was fake, well, what else is fake, if anything? I mean, we don't fake, if anything? I mean, we don't fake, if anything? I mean, we don't know. But anyway, so all of these know. But anyway, so all of these know. But anyway, so all of these questions, if if you're a former normal questions, if if you're a former normal questions, if if you're a former normal person and your colleagues at CIA, person and your colleagues at CIA, person and your colleagues at CIA, presumably also these normal CIA presumably also these normal CIA presumably also these normal CIA officers you describe, officers you describe, officers you describe, >> who I love, they're great officers. Of >> who I love, they're great officers. Of >> who I love, they're great officers. Of course, they work hard. course, they work hard. course, they work hard. >> Totally kidding. >> Totally kidding. >> Totally kidding. >> Wellchested freedom fighters. >> Wellchested freedom fighters. >> Wellchested freedom fighters. >> Yeah. I and I've known a lot of people >> Yeah. I and I've known a lot of people >> Yeah. I and I've known a lot of people like that in various federal agencies like that in various federal agencies like that in various federal agencies who are like good people. Not everyone's who are like good people. Not everyone's who are like good people. Not everyone's bad, right? It's true. bad, right? It's true. bad, right? It's true. >> However, if they're coming to the same >> However, if they're coming to the same >> However, if they're coming to the same conclusion, then seems like 9/11 would conclusion, then seems like 9/11 would conclusion, then seems like 9/11 would be the number one thing you looked at in be the number one thing you looked at in be the number one thing you looked at in the dig. the dig. the dig. >> I would have liked to have taken a look >> I would have liked to have taken a look >> I would have liked to have taken a look at it. I would have liked to have taken at it. I would have liked to have taken at it. I would have liked to have taken a look at it. a look at it. a look at it. >> It seems obvious to me that because >> It seems obvious to me that because >> It seems obvious to me that because unlike the MLK assassination, which is unlike the MLK assassination, which is unlike the MLK assassination, which is I'd love to know more about it. Clearly, I'd love to know more about it. Clearly, I'd love to know more about it. Clearly, it was a conspiracy, I think. it was a conspiracy, I think. it was a conspiracy, I think. >> But like in the end, it didn't >> But like in the end, it didn't >> But like in the end, it didn't change the world in the way that 911 change the world in the way that 911 change the world in the way that 911 did. Maybe it's just too big to did. Maybe it's just too big to did. Maybe it's just too big to investigate. investigate. investigate. >> Maybe. Maybe. >> Maybe. Maybe. >> Maybe. Maybe. >> Have you ever heard anybody say, "Hey, >> Have you ever heard anybody say, "Hey, >> Have you ever heard anybody say, "Hey, we should look we should just declassify we should look we should just declassify we should look we should just declassify the 911 documents."

the 911 documents." the 911 documents." >> Well, yeah. Some of the people in the >> Well, yeah. Some of the people in the >> Well, yeah. Some of the people in the dig um said a couple couple times, but I dig um said a couple couple times, but I dig um said a couple couple times, but I mean, we have to be direct. We were mean, we have to be direct. We were mean, we have to be direct. We were doing only what we were directed to do. doing only what we were directed to do. doing only what we were directed to do. >> What the EO told you to >> What the EO told you to >> What the EO told you to >> EO told us to do. We're trying to We're >> EO told us to do. We're trying to We're >> EO told us to do. We're trying to We're trying to be trying to be trying to be >> trying to follow the law. >> trying to follow the law. >> trying to follow the law. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. Trying to follow the >> Well, yeah. Yeah. Trying to follow the >> Well, yeah. Yeah. Trying to follow the law. trying to make sure that we we law. trying to make sure that we we law. trying to make sure that we we accomplish the mission that was put in accomplish the mission that was put in accomplish the mission that was put in front of us and get that done as quickly front of us and get that done as quickly front of us and get that done as quickly and as effectively as we could. And we and as effectively as we could. And we and as effectively as we could. And we found that um well, the deep state found that um well, the deep state found that um well, the deep state exists. I I mean, I don't know what you exists. I I mean, I don't know what you exists. I I mean, I don't know what you want to call it. I I love Mike Benz's want to call it. I I love Mike Benz's want to call it. I I love Mike Benz's description of it, the blob. It I think description of it, the blob. It I think description of it, the blob. It I think it's the most accurate description. it's the most accurate description. it's the most accurate description. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> cuz it's amorphous. >> cuz it's amorphous. >> cuz it's amorphous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's no meaning. >> There's no meaning. >> There's no meaning. >> It's everywhere and it just rolls in. It >> It's everywhere and it just rolls in. It >> It's everywhere and it just rolls in. It fills space. It fills the cracks. It fills space. It fills the cracks. It fills space. It fills the cracks. It pops up everywhere. It's It's miserable. pops up everywhere. It's It's miserable. pops up everywhere. It's It's miserable. So what um so the dig was the director's So what um so the dig was the director's So what um so the dig was the director's initiatives group initiatives group initiatives group >> initiatives group and that's the group >> initiatives group and that's the group >> initiatives group and that's the group within the office of the director of within the office of the director of within the office of the director of national intelligence oi national intelligence oi national intelligence oi >> run until recently by Tulsi Gabbard that >> run until recently by Tulsi Gabbard that >> run until recently by Tulsi Gabbard that was charged with was charged with was charged with >> producing these documents that Trump had >> producing these documents that Trump had >> producing these documents that Trump had called for in his executive order. Is called for in his executive order. Is called for in his executive order. Is that all true?

that all true? that all true? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, what were the >> Yeah. So, what were the >> Yeah. So, what were the uh if you'll just jog my memory, the uh if you'll just jog my memory, the uh if you'll just jog my memory, the cases the the events that you were cases the the events that you were cases the the events that you were looking into? looking into? looking into? >> Well, um a lot of them are listed in >> Well, um a lot of them are listed in >> Well, um a lot of them are listed in that Rand Paul subpoena. So, if it's that Rand Paul subpoena. So, if it's that Rand Paul subpoena. So, if it's okay. okay. okay. >> So, Oh, of course. But so, it was the >> So, Oh, of course. But so, it was the >> So, Oh, of course. But so, it was the JFK assassination. JFK assassination. JFK assassination. >> Oh, the declassification effort and they >> Oh, the declassification effort and they >> Oh, the declassification effort and they sort of lumped MLK, JFK, um uh sort of lumped MLK, JFK, um uh sort of lumped MLK, JFK, um uh >> Bobby Kennedy. >> Bobby Kennedy. >> Bobby Kennedy. >> Bobby Kennedy uh in that category. There >> Bobby Kennedy uh in that category. There >> Bobby Kennedy uh in that category. There was election security issues. There was was election security issues. There was was election security issues. There was uh January 6th. Um there was uh COVID, uh January 6th. Um there was uh COVID, uh January 6th. Um there was uh COVID, Havana syndrome, UAPs, Havana syndrome, UAPs, Havana syndrome, UAPs, um and a couple other issues. They tried um and a couple other issues. They tried um and a couple other issues. They tried to compartment out things. So like to compartment out things. So like to compartment out things. So like everybody wasn't working on the same everybody wasn't working on the same everybody wasn't working on the same things. So there's some things that I things. So there's some things that I things. So there's some things that I was was was >> Those are all super interesting topics. >> Those are all super interesting topics. >> Those are all super interesting topics. So let's just go through them really So let's just go through them really So let's just go through them really quick and I'm going to ask you, did you quick and I'm going to ask you, did you quick and I'm going to ask you, did you learn anything new about the JFK learn anything new about the JFK learn anything new about the JFK assassination? assassination? assassination? >> So I have to admit I'd never really >> So I have to admit I'd never really >> So I have to admit I'd never really followed it. So, I was just hoping we'd followed it. So, I was just hoping we'd followed it. So, I was just hoping we'd just release it all and I assumed there just release it all and I assumed there just release it all and I assumed there was a lot of people who were into it and was a lot of people who were into it and was a lot of people who were into it and they would pull the documents and make they would pull the documents and make they would pull the documents and make make those conclusions for me. So, um I make those conclusions for me. So, um I make those conclusions for me. So, um I don't have any revelations that I was don't have any revelations that I was don't have any revelations that I was following very closely.

following very closely. following very closely. >> I was shocked to know that the CIA was >> I was shocked to know that the CIA was >> I was shocked to know that the CIA was was running Oswald. was running Oswald. was running Oswald. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And Yeah, that's true. I that did come >> And Yeah, that's true. I that did come >> And Yeah, that's true. I that did come up. up. up. >> He defected, but that was all a scam. >> He defected, but that was all a scam. >> He defected, but that was all a scam. The Russians were very paranoid about The Russians were very paranoid about The Russians were very paranoid about >> uh Lee Oswald. He was a Marine Corporal, >> uh Lee Oswald. He was a Marine Corporal, >> uh Lee Oswald. He was a Marine Corporal, I think, I think, I think, >> and he shows up in Russia and they're >> and he shows up in Russia and they're >> and he shows up in Russia and they're like, "You're a secret agent." But he like, "You're a secret agent." But he like, "You're a secret agent." But he actually was, actually was, actually was, >> so I didn't know that. Um MLK, anything >> so I didn't know that. Um MLK, anything >> so I didn't know that. Um MLK, anything come to mind? come to mind? come to mind? >> I wasn't following it. Sorry. >> I wasn't following it. Sorry. >> I wasn't following it. Sorry. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> January 6th. Uh I think your interview >> January 6th. Uh I think your interview >> January 6th. Uh I think your interview with Steve Baker covered quite a bit with Steve Baker covered quite a bit with Steve Baker covered quite a bit with that. And I think the only thing with that. And I think the only thing with that. And I think the only thing I'll I want to add to that is um I'll I want to add to that is um I'll I want to add to that is um Steve Baker's provision of information Steve Baker's provision of information Steve Baker's provision of information to the dig. I think that was sort of the to the dig. I think that was sort of the to the dig. I think that was sort of the first step to the dig being shut down. first step to the dig being shut down. first step to the dig being shut down. And um I've never seen a reaction quite And um I've never seen a reaction quite And um I've never seen a reaction quite like what I saw from the agency. Can like what I saw from the agency. Can like what I saw from the agency. Can >> you tell us what Baker did just so we >> you tell us what Baker did just so we >> you tell us what Baker did just so we have context? have context? have context? >> Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Um, so Steve >> Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Um, so Steve >> Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Um, so Steve Baker uh provided information based off Baker uh provided information based off Baker uh provided information based off gate analysis that indicated that a gate analysis that indicated that a gate analysis that indicated that a current CIA officer, former Capitol current CIA officer, former Capitol current CIA officer, former Capitol police officer, um, may have been the police officer, um, may have been the police officer, um, may have been the person who placed the the the bombs that person who placed the the the bombs that person who placed the the the bombs that were outside the RNC and DNC on the were outside the RNC and DNC on the were outside the RNC and DNC on the evening of January 5th, early morning, evening of January 5th, early morning, evening of January 5th, early morning, whatever it was, and um, provided it to whatever it was, and um, provided it to whatever it was, and um, provided it to the DNI. Now, he provided it to the DNI the DNI. Now, he provided it to the DNI the DNI. Now, he provided it to the DNI because, and I didn't realize this till because, and I didn't realize this till because, and I didn't realize this till much later,

much later, much later, you know, as we're doing these in you know, as we're doing these in you know, as we're doing these in investigations, sometimes you just need investigations, sometimes you just need investigations, sometimes you just need to bring in a an expert. And he had been to bring in a an expert. And he had been to bring in a an expert. And he had been following it for so long, somebody, and following it for so long, somebody, and following it for so long, somebody, and I'm not sure which part of the team did I'm not sure which part of the team did I'm not sure which part of the team did it. They they asked him to, hey, would it. They they asked him to, hey, would it. They they asked him to, hey, would you like to help us with this, he you like to help us with this, he you like to help us with this, he deferred. He said, listen, I'll be glad deferred. He said, listen, I'll be glad deferred. He said, listen, I'll be glad to give you anything you need, but I to give you anything you need, but I to give you anything you need, but I don't actually formally want to be part don't actually formally want to be part don't actually formally want to be part of the investigatory work because he of the investigatory work because he of the investigatory work because he wants to be a journalist. wants to be a journalist. wants to be a journalist. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's actually a musician. um fine. >> He's actually a musician. um fine. >> He's actually a musician. um fine. Great. Um Great. Um Great. Um and so he provided that information and and so he provided that information and and so he provided that information and um a memo was typed up. The memo uh went um a memo was typed up. The memo uh went um a memo was typed up. The memo uh went to the PDDNI uh the principal deputy to the PDDNI uh the principal deputy to the PDDNI uh the principal deputy director of national intelligence, Aaron director of national intelligence, Aaron director of national intelligence, Aaron Lucas, and it got scanned in and sent Lucas, and it got scanned in and sent Lucas, and it got scanned in and sent over to Michael Ellis. And that thing over to Michael Ellis. And that thing over to Michael Ellis. And that thing got shot got shot got shot >> number two at CIA. >> number two at CIA. >> number two at CIA. >> Number two at CIA. Shot all over the >> Number two at CIA. Shot all over the >> Number two at CIA. Shot all over the CIA. And next thing you know, um people CIA. And next thing you know, um people CIA. And next thing you know, um people were losing their minds. Uh when I see were losing their minds. Uh when I see were losing their minds. Uh when I see people people people >> they were so excited to get to the >> they were so excited to get to the >> they were so excited to get to the bottom of this. bottom of this. bottom of this. >> Right. Right. Right. We finally figured >> Right. Right. Right. We finally figured >> Right. Right. Right. We finally figured it out. Um no, they were pretty upset. it out. Um no, they were pretty upset. it out. Um no, they were pretty upset. They're like, "What [clears throat] are They're like, "What [clears throat] are They're like, "What [clears throat] are you doing? This is defamation." And you you doing? This is defamation." And you you doing? This is defamation." And you know, people were pulled in front of know, people were pulled in front of know, people were pulled in front of other people. And and uh other people. And and uh other people. And and uh >> defamation in what way?

>> defamation in what way? >> defamation in what way? >> Well, you know, they're saying, "Listen, >> Well, you know, they're saying, "Listen, >> Well, you know, they're saying, "Listen, this this person who was named in this this this person who was named in this this this person who was named in this investigation, you know, she's not that investigation, you know, she's not that investigation, you know, she's not that that individual was not the the person that individual was not the the person that individual was not the the person who did it. And you know, you could get who did it. And you know, you could get who did it. And you know, you could get yourself in a lot of trouble. You could yourself in a lot of trouble. You could yourself in a lot of trouble. You could get sued." How do they know that person get sued." How do they know that person get sued." How do they know that person didn't do it? didn't do it? didn't do it? >> They don't. Uh they don't know that. And >> They don't. Uh they don't know that. And >> They don't. Uh they don't know that. And we know we know we know >> they're a bunch of liars is what you're >> they're a bunch of liars is what you're >> they're a bunch of liars is what you're saying. saying. saying. >> Uh that is definitely one way to say it, >> Uh that is definitely one way to say it, >> Uh that is definitely one way to say it, but yeah, I mean they don't know that. but yeah, I mean they don't know that. but yeah, I mean they don't know that. And [clears throat] it's weird to me And [clears throat] it's weird to me And [clears throat] it's weird to me because the CIA's job is to take in because the CIA's job is to take in because the CIA's job is to take in information. Exactly. And and our by information. Exactly. And and our by information. Exactly. And and our by law, if there's a chance that there is law, if there's a chance that there is law, if there's a chance that there is some illegal activity that occurred, we some illegal activity that occurred, we some illegal activity that occurred, we have to inform the CIA that, hey, have to inform the CIA that, hey, have to inform the CIA that, hey, listen, there's an employee that might listen, there's an employee that might listen, there's an employee that might be might be involved in this. Take it be might be involved in this. Take it be might be involved in this. Take it seriously. seriously. seriously. >> But you're saying that CIA did not >> But you're saying that CIA did not >> But you're saying that CIA did not respond respond respond cool or analytically to this information cool or analytically to this information cool or analytically to this information from Steve Baker as provided by ODNI. from Steve Baker as provided by ODNI. from Steve Baker as provided by ODNI. They did instead what? Uh they decided They did instead what? Uh they decided They did instead what? Uh they decided they were going to investigate the dig. they were going to investigate the dig. they were going to investigate the dig. Okay. And I I've like for what purpose?

Okay. And I I've like for what purpose? Okay. And I I've like for what purpose? >> The people who provided the information. >> The people who provided the information. >> The people who provided the information. >> Yeah. Gave it to them. And you know it >> Yeah. Gave it to them. And you know it >> Yeah. Gave it to them. And you know it to me it's it's insanity. Um to me it's it's insanity. Um to me it's it's insanity. Um >> were they upset about this information? >> were they upset about this information? >> were they upset about this information? >> Sure. Seemed like it because you don't >> Sure. Seemed like it because you don't >> Sure. Seemed like it because you don't send somebody for you don't call send somebody for you don't call send somebody for you don't call somebody up and say we'd like you to somebody up and say we'd like you to somebody up and say we'd like you to show up at this facility for an show up at this facility for an show up at this facility for an interview and that facility is for interview and that facility is for interview and that facility is for polygraphs by the way which is basically polygraphs by the way which is basically polygraphs by the way which is basically an interrogation tool. And um and say an interrogation tool. And um and say an interrogation tool. And um and say hey listen come on by. I mean, there was hey listen come on by. I mean, there was hey listen come on by. I mean, there was a fellow sitting next to me. He asked a fellow sitting next to me. He asked a fellow sitting next to me. He asked me, you know, how do I deal with this? me, you know, how do I deal with this? me, you know, how do I deal with this? And I said, well, you tell them that you And I said, well, you tell them that you And I said, well, you tell them that you work for the DNI and that you would like work for the DNI and that you would like work for the DNI and that you would like them to send a full list of the them to send a full list of the them to send a full list of the questions they'd like to talk about. questions they'd like to talk about. questions they'd like to talk about. Maybe send it to your lawyer and uh you Maybe send it to your lawyer and uh you Maybe send it to your lawyer and uh you make sure you CC everybody in the DNI make sure you CC everybody in the DNI make sure you CC everybody in the DNI front office on that email chain because front office on that email chain because front office on that email chain because you want them involved in fixing this. you want them involved in fixing this. you want them involved in fixing this. It was insane. I I I the reaction we got It was insane. I I I the reaction we got It was insane. I I I the reaction we got from them was a visceral reaction. And from them was a visceral reaction. And from them was a visceral reaction. And >> so if you I mean you were practicing >> so if you I mean you were practicing >> so if you I mean you were practicing tradecraftraft your your career at CIA.

tradecraftraft your your career at CIA. tradecraftraft your your career at CIA. So you know that that kind of reaction So you know that that kind of reaction So you know that that kind of reaction suggests suggests suggests >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> not good. >> not good. >> not good. >> Not good. I immediately assume that >> Not good. I immediately assume that >> Not good. I immediately assume that there's wrongdoing and like right or there's wrongdoing and like right or there's wrongdoing and like right or wrong. That's what I assume. If you're wrong. That's what I assume. If you're wrong. That's what I assume. If you're going to react like that well hold on a going to react like that well hold on a going to react like that well hold on a second. What are you protecting? Why are second. What are you protecting? Why are second. What are you protecting? Why are you you you >> of course >> of course >> of course >> and so and everybody I'm like I'm not a >> and so and everybody I'm like I'm not a >> and so and everybody I'm like I'm not a genius here. You don't need to be a co genius here. You don't need to be a co genius here. You don't need to be a co to to have the exact same question. So to to have the exact same question. So to to have the exact same question. So what I'll say about this was um the CIA what I'll say about this was um the CIA what I'll say about this was um the CIA decided that that was the end of it and decided that that was the end of it and decided that that was the end of it and so they put up they made every obstacle so they put up they made every obstacle so they put up they made every obstacle they could to try and prevent us from they could to try and prevent us from they could to try and prevent us from conducting our investigations. and um it conducting our investigations. and um it conducting our investigations. and um it was simply refusing things, slow rolling was simply refusing things, slow rolling was simply refusing things, slow rolling things. Um you know, even even within things. Um you know, even even within things. Um you know, even even within the DNI's office of general counsel, the DNI's office of general counsel, the DNI's office of general counsel, there are there are things that we want there are there are things that we want there are there are things that we want to push through there to make sure that to push through there to make sure that to push through there to make sure that we're street legal, somehow they managed we're street legal, somehow they managed we're street legal, somehow they managed to slow roll even the stuff we were to slow roll even the stuff we were to slow roll even the stuff we were trying to get over to, for example, trying to get over to, for example, trying to get over to, for example, Senator Ran Paul's committee. That's Senator Ran Paul's committee. That's Senator Ran Paul's committee. That's there was there was questions and there was there was questions and there was there was questions and follow-ups that sat with that that group follow-ups that sat with that that group follow-ups that sat with that that group for months. And for months. And for months. And >> wait, but on the specific uh in in the >> wait, but on the specific uh in in the >> wait, but on the specific uh in in the specific case of of January 6, so specific case of of January 6, so specific case of of January 6, so >> there are a couple things that jump out.

>> there are a couple things that jump out. >> there are a couple things that jump out. One, that of all people in the world to One, that of all people in the world to One, that of all people in the world to be identified by a distinctive gate. be identified by a distinctive gate. be identified by a distinctive gate. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which apparently is a product of a >> Which apparently is a product of a >> Which apparently is a product of a sports injury Baker says, sports injury Baker says, sports injury Baker says, >> but it's a this whoever was in the the >> but it's a this whoever was in the the >> but it's a this whoever was in the the [snorts] figure in the picture had a [snorts] figure in the picture had a [snorts] figure in the picture had a weird a weird gate. The woman Steve weird a weird gate. The woman Steve weird a weird gate. The woman Steve Baker says he thinks is that person has Baker says he thinks is that person has Baker says he thinks is that person has a sports injury. She's a capital police a sports injury. She's a capital police a sports injury. She's a capital police officer, but of all places to wind up officer, but of all places to wind up officer, but of all places to wind up working, it's CIA. How did she wind up? working, it's CIA. How did she wind up? working, it's CIA. How did she wind up? Right. Right. Right. >> According to the court documents, she >> According to the court documents, she >> According to the court documents, she had applied for a job prior to uh had applied for a job prior to uh had applied for a job prior to uh 6 months prior to January 6th. I can't 6 months prior to January 6th. I can't 6 months prior to January 6th. I can't remember. remember. remember. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Uh but but I mean, it's possible to get >> Uh but but I mean, it's possible to get >> Uh but but I mean, it's possible to get a job over there. It's not easy to get a job over there. It's not easy to get a job over there. It's not easy to get hired by the CIA. hired by the CIA. hired by the CIA. >> What does she do there? Do you know? >> What does she do there? Do you know? >> What does she do there? Do you know? >> She works in security. I don't know the >> She works in security. I don't know the >> She works in security. I don't know the specifics of of her exact job. specifics of of her exact job. specifics of of her exact job. >> Is it possible that she provided >> Is it possible that she provided >> Is it possible that she provided security to the director? security to the director? security to the director? >> I don't know. Um it is possible, I >> I don't know. Um it is possible, I >> I don't know. Um it is possible, I suppose. Um they pull people in if suppose. Um they pull people in if suppose. Um they pull people in if they're short. Um so they'll pull people they're short. Um so they'll pull people they're short. Um so they'll pull people in to like there's a special group of in to like there's a special group of in to like there's a special group of people that handle security for the people that handle security for the people that handle security for the director, deputy director, the coup.

director, deputy director, the coup. director, deputy director, the coup. Maybe not the coup. Well, the coup's Maybe not the coup. Well, the coup's Maybe not the coup. Well, the coup's changed names, but like the director and changed names, but like the director and changed names, but like the director and deputy director over deputy director over deputy director over >> the coup the chief operating officer is >> the coup the chief operating officer is >> the coup the chief operating officer is now now now >> the coup against Mosedc. Oh. >> the coup against Mosedc. Oh. >> the coup against Mosedc. Oh. I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. No, >> just kidding. It was a little CIA joke. >> just kidding. It was a little CIA joke. >> just kidding. It was a little CIA joke. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yeah, >> you guys know coups. >> you guys know coups. >> you guys know coups. >> We know this is a different coup. Okay. >> We know this is a different coup. Okay. >> We know this is a different coup. Okay. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> so yeah, I suppose it's possible. Um, it >> so yeah, I suppose it's possible. Um, it >> so yeah, I suppose it's possible. Um, it doesn't matter whether she did or doesn't matter whether she did or doesn't matter whether she did or didn't. What really matters to me was didn't. What really matters to me was didn't. What really matters to me was that reaction and it's worse because that reaction and it's worse because that reaction and it's worse because um the information there was an Homeland um the information there was an Homeland um the information there was an Homeland Security investigator that was given the Security investigator that was given the Security investigator that was given the information and asked to pursue this. information and asked to pursue this. information and asked to pursue this. >> What was his name? uh that the that >> What was his name? uh that the that >> What was his name? uh that the that Osborne Osborne and so Osborne Osborne and so Osborne Osborne and so uh he was found dead weeks later in his uh he was found dead weeks later in his uh he was found dead weeks later in his apartment in his condo and um that's apartment in his condo and um that's apartment in his condo and um that's worrisome. It's worrisome because worrisome. It's worrisome because worrisome. It's worrisome because there's questions about how he died and there's questions about how he died and there's questions about how he died and you know I people you know I people you know I people there's a lot of people who don't want there's a lot of people who don't want there's a lot of people who don't want to talk about um Mr. Osborne and his to talk about um Mr. Osborne and his to talk about um Mr. Osborne and his death. Uh death. Uh death. Uh >> what is Well, I think I think what they >> what is Well, I think I think what they >> what is Well, I think I think what they they don't want Why don't they want to they don't want Why don't they want to they don't want Why don't they want to talk about it? They don't want to talk talk about it? They don't want to talk talk about it? They don't want to talk about it.

about it. about it. >> There's no obituary, I noticed. >> There's no obituary, I noticed. >> There's no obituary, I noticed. >> Yeah. Well, there's no It's still an >> Yeah. Well, there's no It's still an >> Yeah. Well, there's no It's still an open question about how he died. Okay. open question about how he died. Okay. open question about how he died. Okay. We don't know. Did he commit suicide? We don't know. Did he commit suicide? We don't know. Did he commit suicide? Did he Did he Did he >> He was killed by a gunshot. >> He was killed by a gunshot. >> He was killed by a gunshot. >> He was killed by a gunshot. Okay. And um >> He was killed by a gunshot. Okay. And um >> He was killed by a gunshot. Okay. And um it's worrisome because if he was pushing it's worrisome because if he was pushing it's worrisome because if he was pushing to pursue this investigation and people to pursue this investigation and people to pursue this investigation and people don't want to talk about it because they don't want to talk about it because they don't want to talk about it because they say, "Well, listen, we got to let the say, "Well, listen, we got to let the say, "Well, listen, we got to let the system work work the investigation. We system work work the investigation. We system work work the investigation. We got to let the system figure out whether got to let the system figure out whether got to let the system figure out whether or not there's something to this." My or not there's something to this." My or not there's something to this." My issue with that is if there is nefarious issue with that is if there is nefarious issue with that is if there is nefarious intent, which I I hope to God this is intent, which I I hope to God this is intent, which I I hope to God this is just some horrible thing that happened just some horrible thing that happened just some horrible thing that happened to this poor man, or if it's suicide, I to this poor man, or if it's suicide, I to this poor man, or if it's suicide, I hope his family isn't suffering. you all hope his family isn't suffering. you all hope his family isn't suffering. you all those things, you know, I pray for him. those things, you know, I pray for him. those things, you know, I pray for him. Pray for his family. Pray for his family. Pray for his family. But if there was nefarious But if there was nefarious But if there was nefarious action that occurred with that, this is action that occurred with that, this is action that occurred with that, this is not something you want hidden behind a not something you want hidden behind a not something you want hidden behind a wall of secrecy cuz it's not safe for wall of secrecy cuz it's not safe for wall of secrecy cuz it's not safe for anybody else who who was anybody else who who was anybody else who who was aware of what was happening with that.

aware of what was happening with that. aware of what was happening with that. It has to be talked about publicly. And It has to be talked about publicly. And It has to be talked about publicly. And I hope that Fairfax County Police, cuz I hope that Fairfax County Police, cuz I hope that Fairfax County Police, cuz that's where the investigation is going that's where the investigation is going that's where the investigation is going on, I hope they're getting to the bottom on, I hope they're getting to the bottom on, I hope they're getting to the bottom of it. I really do because um of it. I really do because um of it. I really do because um >> it's just interesting that as someone >> it's just interesting that as someone >> it's just interesting that as someone who spent his adult life working for CIA who spent his adult life working for CIA who spent his adult life working for CIA and you said you've you loved it um and and you said you've you loved it um and and you said you've you loved it um and got so much out of it, but you seem to got so much out of it, but you seem to got so much out of it, but you seem to believe by what you're saying that the believe by what you're saying that the believe by what you're saying that the CIA would at least be capable of killing CIA would at least be capable of killing CIA would at least be capable of killing this guy. this guy. this guy. >> Well, I don't know who did that. I'm not >> Well, I don't know who did that. I'm not >> Well, I don't know who did that. I'm not saying the CIA did it, but something saying the CIA did it, but something saying the CIA did it, but something happened. Something happened. He was happened. Something happened. He was happened. Something happened. He was killed. And um it it you could make that killed. And um it it you could make that killed. And um it it you could make that supposition that well, it might be the supposition that well, it might be the supposition that well, it might be the CIA. could be could be other people with CIA. could be could be other people with CIA. could be could be other people with interests. interests. interests. >> And I also find it fascinating that >> And I also find it fascinating that >> And I also find it fascinating that within a very short period of that Steve within a very short period of that Steve within a very short period of that Steve Baker piece coming out saying we found Baker piece coming out saying we found Baker piece coming out saying we found the woman who placed these pipe bombs the woman who placed these pipe bombs the woman who placed these pipe bombs um the Department of Justice after well um the Department of Justice after well um the Department of Justice after well I guess 5 years uh of not finding a I guess 5 years uh of not finding a I guess 5 years uh of not finding a suspect arrested some autistic black kid suspect arrested some autistic black kid suspect arrested some autistic black kid and charged him with the crime.

and charged him with the crime. and charged him with the crime. >> It's crazy. I I don't believe that for >> It's crazy. I I don't believe that for >> It's crazy. I I don't believe that for one minute one minute one minute >> that the autistic black kid did this. >> that the autistic black kid did this. >> that the autistic black kid did this. No, I don't. Not for one minute. And the No, I don't. Not for one minute. And the No, I don't. Not for one minute. And the other issue I I don't know. other issue I I don't know. other issue I I don't know. >> Do you think the Department of Justice >> Do you think the Department of Justice >> Do you think the Department of Justice is capable of framing someone like that? is capable of framing someone like that? is capable of framing someone like that? Apparently, uh I don't [sighs] Apparently, uh I don't [sighs] Apparently, uh I don't [sighs] I can't speak to motives. I so evil I can't speak to motives. I so evil I can't speak to motives. I so evil though. If this is what happened, it's though. If this is what happened, it's though. If this is what happened, it's pure evil. And there's other data out pure evil. And there's other data out pure evil. And there's other data out there. People should go take a look at there. People should go take a look at there. People should go take a look at Kyle Sarapin's um podcast and what what Kyle Sarapin's um podcast and what what Kyle Sarapin's um podcast and what what he was on the surveillance team he was on the surveillance team he was on the surveillance team surveilling person of interest 3. surveilling person of interest 3. surveilling person of interest 3. There's other data out there that seems There's other data out there that seems There's other data out there that seems to indicate that there is this is not to indicate that there is this is not to indicate that there is this is not the full story. I don't believe that the full story. I don't believe that the full story. I don't believe that that kid in my this is just my opinion, that kid in my this is just my opinion, that kid in my this is just my opinion, but I don't believe that that kid is the but I don't believe that that kid is the but I don't believe that that kid is the one the guy they got arrested the the one the guy they got arrested the the one the guy they got arrested the the autistic kid that that you know has feet autistic kid that that you know has feet autistic kid that that you know has feet that are six sizes too big to be the that are six sizes too big to be the that are six sizes too big to be the same person. Uh-uh. It doesn't doesn't same person. Uh-uh. It doesn't doesn't same person. Uh-uh. It doesn't doesn't add up. But I will say, add up. But I will say, add up. But I will say, >> is the NAACP involved in this? All the >> is the NAACP involved in this? All the >> is the NAACP involved in this? All the professional defenders of black people professional defenders of black people professional defenders of black people out there who were like out in force out there who were like out in force out there who were like out in force five years ago. I love black people.

five years ago. I love black people. five years ago. I love black people. Okay, now is the time for everyone who Okay, now is the time for everyone who Okay, now is the time for everyone who stood up 5 years ago during the George stood up 5 years ago during the George stood up 5 years ago during the George Floyd insanity and said, "I love black Floyd insanity and said, "I love black Floyd insanity and said, "I love black people." What about this black guy? people." What about this black guy? people." What about this black guy? >> This autistic black kid. Well, who's >> This autistic black kid. Well, who's >> This autistic black kid. Well, who's defending him? Anybody? defending him? Anybody? defending him? Anybody? >> Nobody. >> Nobody. >> Nobody. >> Nobody. Nobody. Oh, all the I love black >> Nobody. Nobody. Oh, all the I love black >> Nobody. Nobody. Oh, all the I love black people are absent on this. people are absent on this. people are absent on this. >> Apparently. Yeah. Okay. >> Apparently. Yeah. Okay. >> Apparently. Yeah. Okay. >> Apparently. I mean, >> Apparently. I mean, >> Apparently. I mean, >> not surprised. >> not surprised. >> not surprised. >> It's It's sickening to me. >> It's It's sickening to me. >> It's It's sickening to me. >> It is sickening. >> It is sickening. >> It is sickening. >> You know, I >> You know, I >> You know, I >> I never said I love black people. I >> I never said I love black people. I >> I never said I love black people. I never treated black people like gods. never treated black people like gods. never treated black people like gods. They're people like you and me. They're people like you and me. They're people like you and me. >> But I'm offended by this. >> But I'm offended by this. >> But I'm offended by this. >> Well, I'm offended because human being. >> Well, I'm offended because human being. >> Well, I'm offended because human being. if this poor kid, you know, he's sounds if this poor kid, you know, he's sounds if this poor kid, you know, he's sounds like he's got some spectrum issues on a like he's got some spectrum issues on a like he's got some spectrum issues on a spectrum. You know, I, you know, I've spectrum. You know, I, you know, I've spectrum. You know, I, you know, I've got people very close to me with mental got people very close to me with mental got people very close to me with mental health issues. And to think that you'd health issues. And to think that you'd health issues. And to think that you'd like, you know what, this is a throwaway like, you know what, this is a throwaway like, you know what, this is a throwaway person. person. person. >> This is a throwaway person. That's what >> This is a throwaway person. That's what >> This is a throwaway person. That's what they're saying. If this is really is as they're saying. If this is really is as they're saying. If this is really is as bad as bad as bad as >> it looks to me, uh, they're basically >> it looks to me, uh, they're basically >> it looks to me, uh, they're basically saying it's not the first time. When saying it's not the first time. When saying it's not the first time. When Mary Pinchon Meyer was murdered in the Mary Pinchon Meyer was murdered in the Mary Pinchon Meyer was murdered in the on the toe path right near my house, on the toe path right near my house, on the toe path right near my house, childhood home in Georgetown, Cord childhood home in Georgetown, Cord childhood home in Georgetown, Cord Meyer's widow, wife, Meyer's widow, wife, Meyer's widow, wife, she was not. They grabbed some black guy she was not. They grabbed some black guy she was not. They grabbed some black guy and put him on trial for her murder when and put him on trial for her murder when and put him on trial for her murder when they knew when CIA was perfectly aware they knew when CIA was perfectly aware they knew when CIA was perfectly aware that he didn't do it. And they allowed that he didn't do it. And they allowed that he didn't do it. And they allowed the DC police to arrest this guy, and the DC police to arrest this guy, and the DC police to arrest this guy, and put him on trial.

put him on trial. put him on trial. >> Yeah. Well, what I'd say about all of >> Yeah. Well, what I'd say about all of >> Yeah. Well, what I'd say about all of this? this? this? >> Sorry. It just makes me mad. It makes me >> Sorry. It just makes me mad. It makes me >> Sorry. It just makes me mad. It makes me mad, too. I mean, it's so mean. Well, mad, too. I mean, it's so mean. Well, mad, too. I mean, it's so mean. Well, it's it's and it's it's it's and it's it's it's and it's every single one of these acts every single one of these acts every single one of these acts that that they're in our face. It's so that that they're in our face. It's so that that they're in our face. It's so obvious and they're throwing in our obvious and they're throwing in our obvious and they're throwing in our face. They're it's meant to demoralize face. They're it's meant to demoralize face. They're it's meant to demoralize us us us >> and and make us make us feel like >> and and make us make us feel like >> and and make us make us feel like there's nothing we can do against this there's nothing we can do against this there's nothing we can do against this giant blob that does whatever they want. giant blob that does whatever they want. giant blob that does whatever they want. Um Um Um >> by Yeah. John Radcliffe. >> by Yeah. John Radcliffe. >> by Yeah. John Radcliffe. And so, you know, I And so, you know, I And so, you know, I as far as the dig is concerned, as far as far as the dig is concerned, as far as far as the dig is concerned, as far as Steve Baker's story is concerned, I as Steve Baker's story is concerned, I as Steve Baker's story is concerned, I that was the death nail for the dig. And that was the death nail for the dig. And that was the death nail for the dig. And I think but it's got to make you think I think but it's got to make you think I think but it's got to make you think if CIA is this involved in it, clearly if CIA is this involved in it, clearly if CIA is this involved in it, clearly they were this involved in January 6th. they were this involved in January 6th. they were this involved in January 6th. I I mean why else if I'm running if I'm I I mean why else if I'm running if I'm I I mean why else if I'm running if I'm John Radcliffe, okay, and I find out John Radcliffe, okay, and I find out John Radcliffe, okay, and I find out that someone on our security team has that someone on our security team has that someone on our security team has been identified by gate recognition been identified by gate recognition been identified by gate recognition software as the person who planted the software as the person who planted the software as the person who planted the pipe bombs on J6. I would say at least pipe bombs on J6. I would say at least pipe bombs on J6. I would say at least we got to look at this.

we got to look at this. we got to look at this. >> Yeah. So I wouldn't say let's shut down >> Yeah. So I wouldn't say let's shut down >> Yeah. So I wouldn't say let's shut down the investigation that produces the investigation that produces the investigation that produces information. Right. Right. And if I were information. Right. Right. And if I were information. Right. Right. And if I were I'll take Kyle Sarapin's surveillance I'll take Kyle Sarapin's surveillance I'll take Kyle Sarapin's surveillance team. If I were on the surveillance team team. If I were on the surveillance team team. If I were on the surveillance team that was surveilling all these people that was surveilling all these people that was surveilling all these people that were in the vicinity, as soon as that were in the vicinity, as soon as that were in the vicinity, as soon as that new information came out from Steve that new information came out from Steve that new information came out from Steve Baker, I'd be I'd be calling up my Baker, I'd be I'd be calling up my Baker, I'd be I'd be calling up my surveillance team and I'd be saying, surveillance team and I'd be saying, surveillance team and I'd be saying, "Hey boys, we've got some new "Hey boys, we've got some new "Hey boys, we've got some new information. We're going to let's go information. We're going to let's go information. We're going to let's go over the old files and we're going to over the old files and we're going to over the old files and we're going to I'm an intelligence officer. I'm not a I'm an intelligence officer. I'm not a I'm an intelligence officer. I'm not a law enforcement." But I, as an law enforcement." But I, as an law enforcement." But I, as an intelligence officer, if I were doing intelligence officer, if I were doing intelligence officer, if I were doing something overseas and it had some something overseas and it had some something overseas and it had some shades of what this is, I would shades of what this is, I would shades of what this is, I would immediately call my surveillance team immediately call my surveillance team immediately call my surveillance team together and say, "Let's get on the together and say, "Let's get on the together and say, "Let's get on the target again. Let's let's start let's target again. Let's let's start let's target again. Let's let's start let's start getting some some brass tax of start getting some some brass tax of start getting some some brass tax of what's what's going down. Go through the what's what's going down. Go through the what's what's going down. Go through the old files, figure out what is happening. old files, figure out what is happening. old files, figure out what is happening. None of that's happening. I mean, this None of that's happening. I mean, this None of that's happening. I mean, this person who you like I don't know person who you like I don't know person who you like I don't know anything. I mean, I was not involved in anything. I mean, I was not involved in anything. I mean, I was not involved in investigating this. I just talked to investigating this. I just talked to investigating this. I just talked to Steve Baker and you that's it. So, I'm Steve Baker and you that's it. So, I'm Steve Baker and you that's it. So, I'm not alleging anything. But I mean, Dan not alleging anything. But I mean, Dan not alleging anything. But I mean, Dan Bonino at FBI was defending this person Bonino at FBI was defending this person Bonino at FBI was defending this person and attacking Steve. That's correct.

and attacking Steve. That's correct. and attacking Steve. That's correct. >> Yeah. Is that Can you verify that? >> Yeah. Is that Can you verify that? >> Yeah. Is that Can you verify that? attacking. Wait, attacking Steve Baker? attacking. Wait, attacking Steve Baker? attacking. Wait, attacking Steve Baker? >> Yeah, Steve Baker. Yeah, >> Yeah, Steve Baker. Yeah, >> Yeah, Steve Baker. Yeah, >> I'm gonna help fund a liel suit against >> I'm gonna help fund a liel suit against >> I'm gonna help fund a liel suit against you and all this stuff. I supposedly he you and all this stuff. I supposedly he you and all this stuff. I supposedly he said, but he was certainly attacking said, but he was certainly attacking said, but he was certainly attacking Steve Baker. Steve Baker. Steve Baker. >> What does Steve Baker do? He used gate >> What does Steve Baker do? He used gate >> What does Steve Baker do? He used gate recognition software, which the federal recognition software, which the federal recognition software, which the federal government uses, by the way. government uses, by the way. government uses, by the way. >> It's not a crackpot technology. >> It's not a crackpot technology. >> It's not a crackpot technology. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> Doesn't prove anything, but it gets it >> Doesn't prove anything, but it gets it >> Doesn't prove anything, but it gets it moves you closer like a like anything moves you closer like a like anything moves you closer like a like anything else. Facial recognition, right? else. Facial recognition, right? else. Facial recognition, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it it breaks things open so that >> I mean, it it breaks things open so that >> I mean, it it breaks things open so that you can start conducting more you can start conducting more you can start conducting more investigations. investigations. investigations. >> Okay. So you're an expert in human >> Okay. So you're an expert in human >> Okay. So you're an expert in human behavior. Of course, cuz you're like behavior. Of course, cuz you're like behavior. Of course, cuz you're like recruiting spies. If this were happening recruiting spies. If this were happening recruiting spies. If this were happening in Pakistan, not your country, you'd be in Pakistan, not your country, you'd be in Pakistan, not your country, you'd be like, "This agency must be involved." like, "This agency must be involved." like, "This agency must be involved." >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> In the event in question, J6. >> In the event in question, J6. >> In the event in question, J6. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that's that's >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that's that's >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that's that's the problem. I I keep seeing parallels the problem. I I keep seeing parallels the problem. I I keep seeing parallels to third world countries of things like to third world countries of things like to third world countries of things like this happening where I'm like, if this this happening where I'm like, if this this happening where I'm like, if this were happening in another country, I'd were happening in another country, I'd were happening in another country, I'd run an intelligence operation. you know, run an intelligence operation. you know, run an intelligence operation. you know, I've monitored elections in foreign I've monitored elections in foreign I've monitored elections in foreign countries and, you know, as part of that countries and, you know, as part of that countries and, you know, as part of that process. And if you know, here's another process. And if you know, here's another process. And if you know, here's another example. If if I had seen the anomalies example. If if I had seen the anomalies example. If if I had seen the anomalies that had occurred during our our that had occurred during our our that had occurred during our our election that caused January 6th in some election that caused January 6th in some election that caused January 6th in some foreign country, State Department would foreign country, State Department would foreign country, State Department would be probably sending out a demarsh. So be probably sending out a demarsh. So be probably sending out a demarsh. So there's there's there's >> And will you explain to people who don't >> And will you explain to people who don't >> And will you explain to people who don't know what that what what does that mean?

know what that what what does that mean? know what that what what does that mean? >> Oh, it means we'd be criticizing that >> Oh, it means we'd be criticizing that >> Oh, it means we'd be criticizing that country for their election practices. country for their election practices. country for their election practices. We'd give them a formal statement We'd give them a formal statement We'd give them a formal statement saying, "You have done wrong and we saying, "You have done wrong and we saying, "You have done wrong and we think that you need to stop doing X, Y, think that you need to stop doing X, Y, think that you need to stop doing X, Y, and Z because your elections are and Z because your elections are and Z because your elections are fraudulent." fraudulent." fraudulent." That's what I'm saying. So, that's That's what I'm saying. So, that's That's what I'm saying. So, that's another example. You I keep seeing these another example. You I keep seeing these another example. You I keep seeing these parallels. If this had happened in some parallels. If this had happened in some parallels. If this had happened in some foreign local, foreign local, foreign local, um it's kind of weird if you take three um it's kind of weird if you take three um it's kind of weird if you take three steps back. I'm not alleging anything at steps back. I'm not alleging anything at steps back. I'm not alleging anything at all. I just happen to notice the pattern all. I just happen to notice the pattern all. I just happen to notice the pattern that this happens in 2020. It's clearly that this happens in 2020. It's clearly that this happens in 2020. It's clearly no one's proved that the election was no one's proved that the election was no one's proved that the election was stolen as far as I can tell, but the stolen as far as I can tell, but the stolen as far as I can tell, but the evidence that this was like not how you evidence that this was like not how you evidence that this was like not how you run an election. It's this how a run an election. It's this how a run an election. It's this how a fraudulent election is run, it's fraudulent election is run, it's fraudulent election is run, it's overwhelming. overwhelming. overwhelming. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then Trump gets shot in Butler and >> And then Trump gets shot in Butler and >> And then Trump gets shot in Butler and then decides to hire Marco Rubio as then decides to hire Marco Rubio as then decides to hire Marco Rubio as Secretary of State, Steve Walls's Secretary of State, Steve Walls's Secretary of State, Steve Walls's national security adviser, and national security adviser, and national security adviser, and critically John Ratcliffe as director of critically John Ratcliffe as director of critically John Ratcliffe as director of central intelligence. central intelligence. central intelligence. And then he he wins the election with And then he he wins the election with And then he he wins the election with the majority of the popular vote. you the majority of the popular vote. you the majority of the popular vote. you don't have any of these problems.

What I mean, if this were happening in a What I mean, if this were happening in a foreign country, what would you say? foreign country, what would you say? foreign country, what would you say? >> I'd have some questions. I I will say >> I'd have some questions. I I will say >> I'd have some questions. I I will say part of the reason President Trump won part of the reason President Trump won part of the reason President Trump won was because he managed to capture the MA was because he managed to capture the MA was because he managed to capture the MA vote and he should be probably uh a vote and he should be probably uh a vote and he should be probably uh a little more cognizant of uh what MA little more cognizant of uh what MA little more cognizant of uh what MA >> should be endorsing mRNA technology, >> should be endorsing mRNA technology, >> should be endorsing mRNA technology, >> stuff like that. But that's separate >> stuff like that. But that's separate >> stuff like that. But that's separate from your point. Um yeah, from your point. Um yeah, from your point. Um yeah, >> it's just kind of weird like if you >> it's just kind of weird like if you >> it's just kind of weird like if you wanted above all wanted above all wanted above all to have a war with Iran, not just to get to have a war with Iran, not just to get to have a war with Iran, not just to get rid of their nuclear program, but to rid of their nuclear program, but to rid of their nuclear program, but to reset the world order, reset the world order, reset the world order, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Get the US out of the Middle East, end >> Get the US out of the Middle East, end >> Get the US out of the Middle East, end the US dollar and the petro dollar. the US dollar and the petro dollar. the US dollar and the petro dollar. Um, and that was your plan. Clearly, Um, and that was your plan. Clearly, Um, and that was your plan. Clearly, that that's the plan that's happening. that that's the plan that's happening. that that's the plan that's happening. And no American president would go along And no American president would go along And no American president would go along with that cuz that would like destroy with that cuz that would like destroy with that cuz that would like destroy your legacy and your nation, your legacy and your nation, your legacy and your nation, >> right? Especially for someone who >> right? Especially for someone who >> right? Especially for someone who campaigned on No, campaigned on No, campaigned on No, >> of course. And clearly didn't want to do >> of course. And clearly didn't want to do >> of course. And clearly didn't want to do it. But let's say that was your plan it. But let's say that was your plan it. But let's say that was your plan >> and that's a big plan. That's a history >> and that's a big plan. That's a history >> and that's a big plan. That's a history plan. Yeah. plan. Yeah. plan. Yeah. >> You would um you know, you'd do whatever >> You would um you know, you'd do whatever >> You would um you know, you'd do whatever you could to to make it clear to that you could to to make it clear to that you could to to make it clear to that guy like there's a carrot and a stick guy like there's a carrot and a stick guy like there's a carrot and a stick here.

here. here. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like maybe you get elected, maybe you >> Like maybe you get elected, maybe you >> Like maybe you get elected, maybe you don't get killed if you go along with don't get killed if you go along with don't get killed if you go along with it. it. it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Has that ever occurred to you? >> Has that ever occurred to you? >> Has that ever occurred to you? >> Yeah. I mean, if I'm being honest with >> Yeah. I mean, if I'm being honest with >> Yeah. I mean, if I'm being honest with myself, yes. myself, yes. myself, yes. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> I don't know that that happened. Nobody >> I don't know that that happened. Nobody >> I don't know that that happened. Nobody has ever bothered to explain what did has ever bothered to explain what did has ever bothered to explain what did happen if that's not what happened. happen if that's not what happened. happen if that's not what happened. like, oh, it's just totally normal that like, oh, it's just totally normal that like, oh, it's just totally normal that that we invaded Iran after, you know, 6 that we invaded Iran after, you know, 6 that we invaded Iran after, you know, 6 months after saying we ended their months after saying we ended their months after saying we ended their nuclear program to like restart again nuclear program to like restart again nuclear program to like restart again without trying to convince the public without trying to convince the public without trying to convince the public and then to do this thing that we know and then to do this thing that we know and then to do this thing that we know is going to wreck our country, which it is going to wreck our country, which it is going to wreck our country, which it now is. now is. now is. >> Yeah. I what I what I >> Yeah. I what I what I >> Yeah. I what I what I mostly uh not mostly what I very much mostly uh not mostly what I very much mostly uh not mostly what I very much dislike is the alternative voices that dislike is the alternative voices that dislike is the alternative voices that came together to form this coalition cuz came together to form this coalition cuz came together to form this coalition cuz the the whatever MAGA is, whatever MA the the whatever MAGA is, whatever MA the the whatever MAGA is, whatever MA is, like all these people came under a is, like all these people came under a is, like all these people came under a very big tent and they offered their very big tent and they offered their very big tent and they offered their voices, their support for President voices, their support for President voices, their support for President Trump because it was a great coalition. Trump because it was a great coalition. Trump because it was a great coalition. It was too it was awesome. It was too it was awesome. It was too it was awesome. >> It was awesome. >> It was awesome. >> It was awesome. You you had these people came forward You you had these people came forward You you had these people came forward and then the alternative voices have and then the alternative voices have and then the alternative voices have been systematically removed from the been systematically removed from the been systematically removed from the pool of people that are supposed to be pool of people that are supposed to be pool of people that are supposed to be advising.

advising. advising. >> Is that true? >> Is that true? >> Is that true? >> I think so. [laughter] >> I think so. [laughter] >> I think so. [laughter] >> Sorry, I'm just laughing. I was one of >> Sorry, I'm just laughing. I was one of >> Sorry, I'm just laughing. I was one of them. Um yeah, no, that is definitely them. Um yeah, no, that is definitely them. Um yeah, no, that is definitely true. true. true. >> And and like Joe Kent, for example, >> And and like Joe Kent, for example, >> And and like Joe Kent, for example, >> Oh, the best. >> Oh, the best. >> Oh, the best. >> I He's a wonderful human being who >> I He's a wonderful human being who >> I He's a wonderful human being who >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I look at the reaction to him resigning >> I look at the reaction to him resigning >> I look at the reaction to him resigning the way he resigned. And I I have the way he resigned. And I I have the way he resigned. And I I have friends who I deeply respect. I love friends who I deeply respect. I love friends who I deeply respect. I love them. And they're like, "Oh, you them. And they're like, "Oh, you them. And they're like, "Oh, you shouldn't have done it that way because shouldn't have done it that way because shouldn't have done it that way because it criticized President Trump." I'm it criticized President Trump." I'm it criticized President Trump." I'm like, you know, many many for many years like, you know, many many for many years like, you know, many many for many years when people resign from from office, a when people resign from from office, a when people resign from from office, a lot of times they'd resign on principle lot of times they'd resign on principle lot of times they'd resign on principle and they'd write a letter just like and they'd write a letter just like and they'd write a letter just like that. Joe Kent was not disrespectful to that. Joe Kent was not disrespectful to that. Joe Kent was not disrespectful to President Trump at all. President Trump at all. President Trump at all. >> At all. And >> At all. And >> At all. And if you can't get through to a president, if you can't get through to a president, if you can't get through to a president, you can't get your message across say, you can't get your message across say, you can't get your message across say, "Hey, listen. I need you to listen to "Hey, listen. I need you to listen to "Hey, listen. I need you to listen to me. At some point, doing the right thing me. At some point, doing the right thing me. At some point, doing the right thing is writing a respectful letter that is writing a respectful letter that is writing a respectful letter that says, "Hey, I disagree with this policy. says, "Hey, I disagree with this policy. says, "Hey, I disagree with this policy. I'm leaving for this reason." This I'm leaving for this reason." This I'm leaving for this reason." This happened all the time before. The thing happened all the time before. The thing happened all the time before. The thing that bothers me is that bothers me is that bothers me is >> what's the option? Leaking to the media, >> what's the option? Leaking to the media, >> what's the option? Leaking to the media, subverting the president's program.

subverting the president's program. subverting the president's program. Those are clearly less honorable Those are clearly less honorable Those are clearly less honorable responses. responses. responses. >> Completely. If you can't carry out a job >> Completely. If you can't carry out a job >> Completely. If you can't carry out a job consistent with your own values, don't. consistent with your own values, don't. consistent with your own values, don't. >> Yeah. I isn't I mean I don't know what >> Yeah. I isn't I mean I don't know what >> Yeah. I isn't I mean I don't know what how is that bad? Isn't that what we ask how is that bad? Isn't that what we ask how is that bad? Isn't that what we ask our children to be? our children to be? our children to be? >> It's exactly what we ask and Joe Kent >> It's exactly what we ask and Joe Kent >> It's exactly what we ask and Joe Kent did exactly what many many other people did exactly what many many other people did exactly what many many other people have done in many other administrations. have done in many other administrations. have done in many other administrations. My problem is the screeching and the My problem is the screeching and the My problem is the screeching and the nashing of teeth that came from nashing of teeth that came from nashing of teeth that came from this people associated with this this people associated with this this people associated with this administration. You know that they administration. You know that they administration. You know that they treated him worse than if he was like treated him worse than if he was like treated him worse than if he was like some kind of leaker. Well, actually they some kind of leaker. Well, actually they some kind of leaker. Well, actually they claimed he was. Um, claimed he was. Um, claimed he was. Um, >> well, they claimed he was a criminal, >> well, they claimed he was a criminal, >> well, they claimed he was a criminal, that he was under criminal that he was under criminal that he was under criminal investigation, his security clearance investigation, his security clearance investigation, his security clearance was unimpeded till the day he left. So, was unimpeded till the day he left. So, was unimpeded till the day he left. So, we know that that's not it's not true. we know that that's not it's not true. we know that that's not it's not true. It's a lie. They admitted it was a lie, It's a lie. They admitted it was a lie, It's a lie. They admitted it was a lie, but they trashed the guy's reputation. but they trashed the guy's reputation. but they trashed the guy's reputation. They trashed his wife. They trashed his wife. They trashed his wife. >> Yeah. I mean, just >> Yeah. I mean, just >> Yeah. I mean, just this I mean, I'm sorry. He he has this I mean, I'm sorry. He he has this I mean, I'm sorry. He he has sacrificed for this country and um you sacrificed for this country and um you sacrificed for this country and um you know, he did an honorable thing. Uh he know, he did an honorable thing. Uh he know, he did an honorable thing. Uh he he he spoke with respect to the he he spoke with respect to the he he spoke with respect to the president. he couldn't get through, so president. he couldn't get through, so president. he couldn't get through, so he decided to leave. Um I I keep seeing he decided to leave. Um I I keep seeing he decided to leave. Um I I keep seeing these indications that there are blast these indications that there are blast these indications that there are blast doors up around the White House, around doors up around the White House, around doors up around the White House, around key figures that you can't get through.

key figures that you can't get through. key figures that you can't get through. You can't talk to them. And again, I You can't talk to them. And again, I You can't talk to them. And again, I wish I was part of the inner circle so I wish I was part of the inner circle so I wish I was part of the inner circle so I could see what was happening. But as could see what was happening. But as could see what was happening. But as somebody who was, you know, maybe one or somebody who was, you know, maybe one or somebody who was, you know, maybe one or two layers below that, it sure looked two layers below that, it sure looked two layers below that, it sure looked like blastos were going up around a like blastos were going up around a like blastos were going up around a whole lot of people. And um I whole lot of people. And um I whole lot of people. And um I [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] Yeah, I don't know how we got on that, Yeah, I don't know how we got on that, Yeah, I don't know how we got on that, but but I think but but I think but but I think >> for just because it's sad and the >> for just because it's sad and the >> for just because it's sad and the coalition that brought Trump back to the coalition that brought Trump back to the coalition that brought Trump back to the White House in 2024 was like a beautiful White House in 2024 was like a beautiful White House in 2024 was like a beautiful thing. thing. thing. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It wasn't organized around a race or >> It wasn't organized around a race or >> It wasn't organized around a race or even a political party. It was organized even a political party. It was organized even a political party. It was organized around a kind of idealistic hope that around a kind of idealistic hope that around a kind of idealistic hope that the country could be better and that the country could be better and that the country could be better and that some measure of power would be returned some measure of power would be returned some measure of power would be returned to the citizens who own it. It's like to the citizens who own it. It's like to the citizens who own it. It's like these are not radical ideas. They're these are not radical ideas. They're these are not radical ideas. They're foundational ideas. Well, now that I am foundational ideas. Well, now that I am foundational ideas. Well, now that I am >> It wasn't a hate based thing at all. No. >> It wasn't a hate based thing at all. No. >> It wasn't a hate based thing at all. No. >> And now it's totally blown up because a >> And now it's totally blown up because a >> And now it's totally blown up because a small group of true haters, small group of true haters, small group of true haters, >> the genocide defenders have all been >> the genocide defenders have all been >> the genocide defenders have all been like basically committed to destroying like basically committed to destroying like basically committed to destroying this coalition and it worked and it's this coalition and it worked and it's this coalition and it worked and it's really it has worked and really it has worked and really it has worked and truth now that I am not a government truth now that I am not a government truth now that I am not a government employee, I can speak about my personal employee, I can speak about my personal employee, I can speak about my personal political beliefs. Um I am a lifelong political beliefs. Um I am a lifelong political beliefs. Um I am a lifelong conservative. I I voted for Ross Perau.

conservative. I I voted for Ross Perau. conservative. I I voted for Ross Perau. I you know I'm a Ross I I gave you Bill I you know I'm a Ross I I gave you Bill I you know I'm a Ross I I gave you Bill Clinton at one point. Clinton at one point. Clinton at one point. >> I'm a lifelong conservative and I was >> I'm a lifelong conservative and I was >> I'm a lifelong conservative and I was going to vote for Kennedy. Yeah. going to vote for Kennedy. Yeah. going to vote for Kennedy. Yeah. >> I was going to vote for Kennedy and um I >> I was going to vote for Kennedy and um I >> I was going to vote for Kennedy and um I was going to go the like I am a lifelong was going to go the like I am a lifelong was going to go the like I am a lifelong conservative that was going to go the conservative that was going to go the conservative that was going to go the distance for a President Kennedy. And in distance for a President Kennedy. And in distance for a President Kennedy. And in my opinion he did one of the most my opinion he did one of the most my opinion he did one of the most presidential things that um I've seen in presidential things that um I've seen in presidential things that um I've seen in my lifetime. He chose um the American my lifetime. He chose um the American my lifetime. He chose um the American people over over power. He said, people over over power. He said, people over over power. He said, "Listen, I've got an opportunity if I if "Listen, I've got an opportunity if I if "Listen, I've got an opportunity if I if I work with this administration. I've I work with this administration. I've I work with this administration. I've got an opportunity to make America got an opportunity to make America got an opportunity to make America healthy again." Um it it was the most healthy again." Um it it was the most healthy again." Um it it was the most noble thing I'd ever seen. I was really noble thing I'd ever seen. I was really noble thing I'd ever seen. I was really pissed off that he uh he pulled out. I pissed off that he uh he pulled out. I pissed off that he uh he pulled out. I really was going to go the distance. And really was going to go the distance. And really was going to go the distance. And I had never if someone had asked young I had never if someone had asked young I had never if someone had asked young Jim, "Hey, Sunday, are you going to vote Jim, "Hey, Sunday, are you going to vote Jim, "Hey, Sunday, are you going to vote for for a Democrat?" Um, I would have for for a Democrat?" Um, I would have for for a Democrat?" Um, I would have been like, "That's that's crazy talk. been like, "That's that's crazy talk. been like, "That's that's crazy talk. You know, I might vote for occasional You know, I might vote for occasional You know, I might vote for occasional libertarian or Rosaro, but probably not libertarian or Rosaro, but probably not libertarian or Rosaro, but probably not a Democrat." And I was going to go the a Democrat." And I was going to go the a Democrat." And I was going to go the distance uh with him.

distance uh with him. distance uh with him. That coalition that he brought in, That coalition that he brought in, That coalition that he brought in, he I don't think President Trump would he I don't think President Trump would he I don't think President Trump would be president if he had not brought that be president if he had not brought that be president if he had not brought that in. And so for me, if we're talking in. And so for me, if we're talking in. And so for me, if we're talking about the coalition that said no more about the coalition that said no more about the coalition that said no more war, um, make America healthy again, war, um, make America healthy again, war, um, make America healthy again, we're losing, we're losing, we're losing, the promises are being broken. The the promises are being broken. The the promises are being broken. The promises are being broken. promises are being broken. promises are being broken. >> Mocked. Mocked. Openly mocked. And like >> Mocked. Mocked. Openly mocked. And like >> Mocked. Mocked. Openly mocked. And like I, you know, I'll still go the distance I, you know, I'll still go the distance I, you know, I'll still go the distance with anybody who wants to protect with anybody who wants to protect with anybody who wants to protect religious rights, bodily autonomy, all religious rights, bodily autonomy, all religious rights, bodily autonomy, all those things. Um, somebody needs to wake those things. Um, somebody needs to wake those things. Um, somebody needs to wake up this administration and say, "Hey, up this administration and say, "Hey, up this administration and say, "Hey, listen. If the person who owns the the listen. If the person who owns the the listen. If the person who owns the the MA agenda at the polls, they're probably MA agenda at the polls, they're probably MA agenda at the polls, they're probably going to get those those little bits of going to get those those little bits of going to get those those little bits of votes that are going to put them over votes that are going to put them over votes that are going to put them over the edge." Um, it's it's a it's too the edge." Um, it's it's a it's too the edge." Um, it's it's a it's too late. I mean, betrayal is hard to late. I mean, betrayal is hard to late. I mean, betrayal is hard to recover from. recover from. recover from. >> You know, you get in an argument with >> You know, you get in an argument with >> You know, you get in an argument with your wife and you can get past it. You your wife and you can get past it. You your wife and you can get past it. You catch her in bed with the pool boy and catch her in bed with the pool boy and catch her in bed with the pool boy and you're never going to see her the same you're never going to see her the same you're never going to see her the same way because she betrayed you.

way because she betrayed you. way because she betrayed you. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> On a very deep level. Not that that >> On a very deep level. Not that that >> On a very deep level. Not that that happened. I hope it never does. But happened. I hope it never does. But happened. I hope it never does. But >> but you know what I mean. That's what >> but you know what I mean. That's what >> but you know what I mean. That's what this is. You You caught Trump in bed this is. You You caught Trump in bed this is. You You caught Trump in bed with someone. It's like he cheated on with someone. It's like he cheated on with someone. It's like he cheated on you. And then to lecture you about your you. And then to lecture you about your you. And then to lecture you about your lack of loyalty lack of loyalty lack of loyalty >> is too much. You're disloyal. Joe Kent >> is too much. You're disloyal. Joe Kent >> is too much. You're disloyal. Joe Kent was disloyal. Really? Joe Kent's wife was disloyal. Really? Joe Kent's wife was disloyal. Really? Joe Kent's wife got killed in Syria because of the got killed in Syria because of the got killed in Syria because of the neocons. Yep. And rather than whine neocons. Yep. And rather than whine neocons. Yep. And rather than whine about it, he kept going and tried to about it, he kept going and tried to about it, he kept going and tried to serve his nation and did. And he was serve his nation and did. And he was serve his nation and did. And he was right, by the way, on the merits. And right, by the way, on the merits. And right, by the way, on the merits. And then he calls Trump, tries to see Trump then he calls Trump, tries to see Trump then he calls Trump, tries to see Trump on his way out because he likes Trump. on his way out because he likes Trump. on his way out because he likes Trump. Actually, he's a respectful guy. And Actually, he's a respectful guy. And Actually, he's a respectful guy. And Trump trashes his wife Trump trashes his wife Trump trashes his wife >> and says, "Oh, he got remarried awful >> and says, "Oh, he got remarried awful >> and says, "Oh, he got remarried awful quick." Really? Cuz it was under your quick." Really? Cuz it was under your quick." Really? Cuz it was under your administration that his first wife was administration that his first wife was administration that his first wife was killed because you didn't have the balls killed because you didn't have the balls killed because you didn't have the balls to get American troops out of Syria cuz to get American troops out of Syria cuz to get American troops out of Syria cuz you're controlled by Israel. That's a you're controlled by Israel. That's a you're controlled by Israel. That's a fact. So then to lecture Joe Kent about fact. So then to lecture Joe Kent about fact. So then to lecture Joe Kent about getting married again after you oversaw getting married again after you oversaw getting married again after you oversaw the death of his first wife, I was like the death of his first wife, I was like the death of his first wife, I was like h can't deal with this anymore.

h can't deal with this anymore. h can't deal with this anymore. >> Yeah. You know, it's it's there's been a >> Yeah. You know, it's it's there's been a >> Yeah. You know, it's it's there's been a lot of disappointment. lot of disappointment. lot of disappointment. I know that's the understatement of the I know that's the understatement of the I know that's the understatement of the year, but um a lot of disappointment and year, but um a lot of disappointment and year, but um a lot of disappointment and like I have disappointment like to bring like I have disappointment like to bring like I have disappointment like to bring it back around to the conversation about it back around to the conversation about it back around to the conversation about the agency and everything else. I have the agency and everything else. I have the agency and everything else. I have disappointment with the agency. I wanted disappointment with the agency. I wanted disappointment with the agency. I wanted reform. I wanted real reform. I'm okay reform. I wanted real reform. I'm okay reform. I wanted real reform. I'm okay with getting rid of some of the chaff. with getting rid of some of the chaff. with getting rid of some of the chaff. I'm okay with making some big changes I'm okay with making some big changes I'm okay with making some big changes and and never happened. Never happened. and and never happened. Never happened. and and never happened. Never happened. In fact, this administration is is In fact, this administration is is In fact, this administration is is just letting it move on. Like I've left just letting it move on. Like I've left just letting it move on. Like I've left government service now. Um you know, I government service now. Um you know, I government service now. Um you know, I co-founded an organization. If it's co-founded an organization. If it's co-founded an organization. If it's okay, I'm going to talk a little bit okay, I'm going to talk a little bit okay, I'm going to talk a little bit about that cuz I I think it's important. about that cuz I I think it's important. about that cuz I I think it's important. >> You know, I >> You know, I >> You know, I at some point I'm going to go into the at some point I'm going to go into the at some point I'm going to go into the private sector. But the thing about private sector. But the thing about private sector. But the thing about being a government employee, if you're being a government employee, if you're being a government employee, if you're in military or forward- facing, you want in military or forward- facing, you want in military or forward- facing, you want to have a mission. You want to have to have a mission. You want to have to have a mission. You want to have something that you're like, "No, no, no. something that you're like, "No, no, no. something that you're like, "No, no, no. I want to be part of something bigger." I want to be part of something bigger." I want to be part of something bigger." And that's the hardest part of leaving And that's the hardest part of leaving And that's the hardest part of leaving government service. You know that. And government service. You know that. And government service. You know that. And you realize that, you know, you know, you realize that, you know, you know, you realize that, you know, you know, there's a lot of people in the private there's a lot of people in the private there's a lot of people in the private sector who are incredibly impressive and sector who are incredibly impressive and sector who are incredibly impressive and you have to compete against them. So, you have to compete against them. So, you have to compete against them. So, some of these government schlubs are some of these government schlubs are some of these government schlubs are afraid to leave.

afraid to leave. afraid to leave. >> Yeah, of course. But, uh, you know, I I >> Yeah, of course. But, uh, you know, I I >> Yeah, of course. But, uh, you know, I I co-founded an organization that sued the co-founded an organization that sued the co-founded an organization that sued the federal government over vaccine federal government over vaccine federal government over vaccine mandates. Um, we got together. We didn't mandates. Um, we got together. We didn't mandates. Um, we got together. We didn't know what we were doing. We built a car know what we were doing. We built a car know what we were doing. We built a car as we rolled it out of the, uh, rolled as we rolled it out of the, uh, rolled as we rolled it out of the, uh, rolled it out of the garage. But, we were we it out of the garage. But, we were we it out of the garage. But, we were we were successful. We got a nationwide were successful. We got a nationwide were successful. We got a nationwide injunction that shut down the vaccine injunction that shut down the vaccine injunction that shut down the vaccine mandate for all staff, federal mandate for all staff, federal mandate for all staff, federal government employees throughout the government employees throughout the government employees throughout the entirety of the Biden administration. entirety of the Biden administration. entirety of the Biden administration. Done. Succeeded. We filed 17 class Done. Succeeded. We filed 17 class Done. Succeeded. We filed 17 class action EEOs. action EEOs. action EEOs. uh you know towards the end of my time uh you know towards the end of my time uh you know towards the end of my time at the dig, the last year in the dig, at the dig, the last year in the dig, at the dig, the last year in the dig, turns out that the uh CIA decided that turns out that the uh CIA decided that turns out that the uh CIA decided that every single person who was every single person who was every single person who was non-compliant with those vaccine non-compliant with those vaccine non-compliant with those vaccine mandates, yeah, they weren't, you know, mandates, yeah, they weren't, you know, mandates, yeah, they weren't, you know, just insubordinate. just insubordinate. just insubordinate. They were spies. So they had all of them They were spies. So they had all of them They were spies. So they had all of them investigated by the counter intelligence investigated by the counter intelligence investigated by the counter intelligence mission cent's counter espionage uh mission cent's counter espionage uh mission cent's counter espionage uh department. department. department. >> Not really. Oh, really? All of them >> Not really. Oh, really? All of them >> Not really. Oh, really? All of them said, "Yep, we got a check." So, um, I I said, "Yep, we got a check." So, um, I I said, "Yep, we got a check." So, um, I I personally, uh, filed an OP, an Office personally, uh, filed an OP, an Office personally, uh, filed an OP, an Office of Privacy and Civil Liberties of Privacy and Civil Liberties of Privacy and Civil Liberties complaint, and I blind CCD every single complaint, and I blind CCD every single complaint, and I blind CCD every single unvaccinated officer in the CIA.

unvaccinated officer in the CIA. unvaccinated officer in the CIA. And then when nothing happened after 40 And then when nothing happened after 40 And then when nothing happened after 40 days, uh, I sent it up to the, uh, days, uh, I sent it up to the, uh, days, uh, I sent it up to the, uh, intelligence community inspector intelligence community inspector intelligence community inspector general. I said, "You need to general. I said, "You need to general. I said, "You need to investigate this. My problem is they're investigate this. My problem is they're investigate this. My problem is they're purposely waiting longer than a 45day purposely waiting longer than a 45day purposely waiting longer than a 45day period. Because as soon as I CCed all period. Because as soon as I CCed all period. Because as soon as I CCed all these unvaccinated officers, as soon as these unvaccinated officers, as soon as these unvaccinated officers, as soon as I CCed them, they have a 45day window to I CCed them, they have a 45day window to I CCed them, they have a 45day window to file an EEO complaint. I know a lot file an EEO complaint. I know a lot file an EEO complaint. I know a lot about the complaint process now. Never about the complaint process now. Never about the complaint process now. Never used to, never made a complaint until co used to, never made a complaint until co used to, never made a complaint until co and I wanted to give them the chance if and I wanted to give them the chance if and I wanted to give them the chance if they were upset about it to actually they were upset about it to actually they were upset about it to actually file those complaints. A bunch of people file those complaints. A bunch of people file those complaints. A bunch of people filed the EEO complaints. But all we filed the EEO complaints. But all we filed the EEO complaints. But all we really wanted was and again this is really wanted was and again this is really wanted was and again this is under director Radcliffe. All we wanted under director Radcliffe. All we wanted under director Radcliffe. All we wanted him to do was to expune the records. See him to do was to expune the records. See him to do was to expune the records. See when you have a counter when you have a counter when you have a counter >> John Radcliffe okayed counter espionage >> John Radcliffe okayed counter espionage >> John Radcliffe okayed counter espionage investigations. investigations. investigations. >> The investigation occurred in 2021 >> The investigation occurred in 2021 >> The investigation occurred in 2021 >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Okay. It was discovered. So after it was >> Okay. It was discovered. So after it was >> Okay. It was discovered. So after it was discovered we said hey listen um new discovered we said hey listen um new discovered we said hey listen um new administration. This is an easy fix. administration. This is an easy fix. administration. This is an easy fix. Here's what we want. Just expunge the Here's what we want. Just expunge the Here's what we want. Just expunge the records. just get get that off your records. just get get that off your records. just get get that off your permanent security file because that permanent security file because that permanent security file because that that's that's that's >> you were investigated as a foreign spy >> you were investigated as a foreign spy >> you were investigated as a foreign spy because you didn't want to take the because you didn't want to take the because you didn't want to take the death shot.

death shot. death shot. >> Yeah. Because you didn't want to take >> Yeah. Because you didn't want to take >> Yeah. Because you didn't want to take the death shot. And that was a simple the death shot. And that was a simple the death shot. And that was a simple request. Hey, please just we asked. request. Hey, please just we asked. request. Hey, please just we asked. >> Did Ratcliffe do it? >> Did Ratcliffe do it? >> Did Ratcliffe do it? >> No. So now we have to sue. And so you >> No. So now we have to sue. And so you >> No. So now we have to sue. And so you know I found proono legal support. know I found proono legal support. know I found proono legal support. >> Why is Ratcliffe so vested in >> Why is Ratcliffe so vested in >> Why is Ratcliffe so vested in >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> Slander against people who didn't take >> Slander against people who didn't take >> Slander against people who didn't take the vax. the vax. the vax. >> I have no idea. We And I don't know >> I have no idea. We And I don't know >> I have no idea. We And I don't know maybe he's incompetent too. I he should maybe he's incompetent too. I he should maybe he's incompetent too. I he should have his staff were aware. I made sure have his staff were aware. I made sure have his staff were aware. I made sure that both deputy director and the that both deputy director and the that both deputy director and the director's staff were aware that this director's staff were aware that this director's staff were aware that this was occurring. I wanted them to just fix was occurring. I wanted them to just fix was occurring. I wanted them to just fix it and they didn't. So, we're going to it and they didn't. So, we're going to it and they didn't. So, we're going to sue them. And so, so I'm I'm I got out sue them. And so, so I'm I'm I got out sue them. And so, so I'm I'm I got out of government service, but I'm still of government service, but I'm still of government service, but I'm still working the Feds for Freedom. We're Feds working the Feds for Freedom. We're Feds working the Feds for Freedom. We're Feds for Freedom is suing the CIA over this. for Freedom is suing the CIA over this. for Freedom is suing the CIA over this. And we are still actually litigating And we are still actually litigating And we are still actually litigating class action EOS and this is a half class action EOS and this is a half class action EOS and this is a half decade later. So, we've got an FBI class decade later. So, we've got an FBI class decade later. So, we've got an FBI class action EEO. We've got a there's a a action EEO. We've got a there's a a action EEO. We've got a there's a a couple others, uh, DoD, NASA. We're couple others, uh, DoD, NASA. We're couple others, uh, DoD, NASA. We're still litigating this stuff a half still litigating this stuff a half still litigating this stuff a half decade later, which is absolutely decade later, which is absolutely decade later, which is absolutely idiotic. It's this administration. They idiotic. It's this administration. They idiotic. It's this administration. They said they said flat out we shouldn't said they said flat out we shouldn't said they said flat out we shouldn't have to have have to have have to have >> Well, it's just an attack on Christians.

>> Well, it's just an attack on Christians. >> Well, it's just an attack on Christians. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. >> Here's a shot with aborted baby parts in >> Here's a shot with aborted baby parts in >> Here's a shot with aborted baby parts in it. Can you take it? The people who said it. Can you take it? The people who said it. Can you take it? The people who said they can't, they get invested as they can't, they get invested as they can't, they get invested as investigated as spies. Get all the investigated as spies. Get all the investigated as spies. Get all the Christians out. Christians out. Christians out. >> Yeah. So, >> Yeah. So, >> Yeah. So, at some point I'm going to go find a at some point I'm going to go find a at some point I'm going to go find a normal job, but uh for right now I'm I'm normal job, but uh for right now I'm I'm normal job, but uh for right now I'm I'm going to going to going to >> Let me ask you one final question, one >> Let me ask you one final question, one >> Let me ask you one final question, one final category of questions. So, back to final category of questions. So, back to final category of questions. So, back to January 6th. January 6th. January 6th. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Based on everything you've said without >> Based on everything you've said without >> Based on everything you've said without any other evidence, I would find it very any other evidence, I would find it very any other evidence, I would find it very likely that the CIA was involved in likely that the CIA was involved in likely that the CIA was involved in January 6th just by their reaction to it January 6th just by their reaction to it January 6th just by their reaction to it or is aware that DOJ isn't covering for or is aware that DOJ isn't covering for or is aware that DOJ isn't covering for DOJ or something the government is DOJ or something the government is DOJ or something the government is clearly based on their reaction. It's clearly based on their reaction. It's clearly based on their reaction. It's actually the worst possible um actually the worst possible um actually the worst possible um conclusion if if I'm just going off conclusion if if I'm just going off conclusion if if I'm just going off reaction. I have no data. I can't prove reaction. I have no data. I can't prove reaction. I have no data. I can't prove anything. But it means that the capital anything. But it means that the capital anything. But it means that the capital police, the FBI, and CIA were all in police, the FBI, and CIA were all in police, the FBI, and CIA were all in bed. bed. bed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And um they perpetrated a hoax of such >> And um they perpetrated a hoax of such >> And um they perpetrated a hoax of such colossal proportion. And they, you know, colossal proportion. And they, you know, colossal proportion. And they, you know, January 6, you had people rotting in January 6, you had people rotting in January 6, you had people rotting in these jails. these jails. these jails. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> For a very long time. If CIA was >> For a very long time. If CIA was >> For a very long time. If CIA was involved in that, um maybe that four involved in that, um maybe that four involved in that, um maybe that four wins thing, wins thing, wins thing, maybe that's maybe that's where we maybe that's maybe that's where we maybe that's maybe that's where we should be going. We should certainly should be going. We should certainly should be going. We should certainly church committee 2.0 church committee 2.0 church committee 2.0 >> just shut it down. Shut it down.

>> just shut it down. Shut it down. >> just shut it down. Shut it down. >> Yeah. So, but that raises the question. >> Yeah. So, but that raises the question. >> Yeah. So, but that raises the question. I mean, like the firewall always was I mean, like the firewall always was I mean, like the firewall always was involvement in domestic politics. Yes, involvement in domestic politics. Yes, involvement in domestic politics. Yes, we did overthrow Mosedc. Yes, we did we did overthrow Mosedc. Yes, we did we did overthrow Mosedc. Yes, we did this that and the other thing abroad, this that and the other thing abroad, this that and the other thing abroad, but it was in the service of American but it was in the service of American but it was in the service of American foreign policy goals and so it's okay. foreign policy goals and so it's okay. foreign policy goals and so it's okay. But what we'll never do is start But what we'll never do is start But what we'll never do is start tampering in our domestic politics, our tampering in our domestic politics, our tampering in our domestic politics, our democracy. democracy. democracy. >> Right. Right. And and yet I know for a >> Right. Right. And and yet I know for a >> Right. Right. And and yet I know for a fact that there are CIA domestic fact that there are CIA domestic fact that there are CIA domestic influence operations. I've never seen one. But uh all the I've never seen one. But uh all the indications are when you take a look at indications are when you take a look at indications are when you take a look at the media um media blackouts, what media the media um media blackouts, what media the media um media blackouts, what media covers, covers, covers, it starts looking like something's it starts looking like something's it starts looking like something's happening and you know Yeah. They're pretty obviously involved Yeah. They're pretty obviously involved in the Monica Lewinsky thing. Not that in the Monica Lewinsky thing. Not that in the Monica Lewinsky thing. Not that I'm pro Clinton, never have been. I'm pro Clinton, never have been. I'm pro Clinton, never have been. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you think that's fair to say? >> But you think that's fair to say? >> But you think that's fair to say? >> I think it is. Yeah. >> I think it is. Yeah. >> I think it is. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, that's like pretty >> Yeah. So, um, that's like pretty >> Yeah. So, um, that's like pretty shocking that they would be involved in shocking that they would be involved in shocking that they would be involved in our politics, don't you think? I It is our politics, don't you think? I It is our politics, don't you think? I It is shocking. And like I said, I used to be shocking. And like I said, I used to be shocking. And like I said, I used to be different and um different and um different and um the variety of things that I entertain the variety of things that I entertain the variety of things that I entertain as possibilities are much much wider as possibilities are much much wider as possibilities are much much wider than they used to be. You can't you than they used to be. You can't you than they used to be. You can't you can't read an email that says this is can't read an email that says this is can't read an email that says this is our story and we're sticking to it and our story and we're sticking to it and our story and we're sticking to it and and not not you can't go back you can't

and not not you can't go back you can't and not not you can't go back you can't go back to that. So, go back to that. So, go back to that. So, uh yeah, it's uh it's disturbing. We're uh yeah, it's uh it's disturbing. We're uh yeah, it's uh it's disturbing. We're not getting reform and I have a feeling not getting reform and I have a feeling not getting reform and I have a feeling um we've got more pain ahead for us if um we've got more pain ahead for us if um we've got more pain ahead for us if if we don't make some changes. if we don't make some changes. if we don't make some changes. >> I agree with that. Thanks so much for >> I agree with that. Thanks so much for >> I agree with that. Thanks so much for taking all this time, Jim, to talk to taking all this time, Jim, to talk to taking all this time, Jim, to talk to us. us. us. >> My pleasure. >> My pleasure. >> My pleasure. >> Congrats. You've been out of CA less >> Congrats. You've been out of CA less >> Congrats. You've been out of CA less than a month and you're already doing than a month and you're already doing than a month and you're already doing good work in Thank you. good work in Thank you. good work in Thank you. >> Thank you. [music]