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A couple of years ago, leaked internal A couple of years ago, leaked internal documents from Apac showed that the documents from Apac showed that the documents from Apac showed that the single largest donor to the single largest donor to the single largest donor to the organization, the American Israel Public organization, the American Israel Public organization, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee number one donor was a Affairs Committee number one donor was a Affairs Committee number one donor was a man called Leoned Riddinski. Rinsky was man called Leoned Riddinski. Rinsky was man called Leoned Riddinski. Rinsky was a Ukrainian-born pornographer. He was a Ukrainian-born pornographer. He was a Ukrainian-born pornographer. He was the owner of Only Fans, one of the the owner of Only Fans, one of the the owner of Only Fans, one of the largest porn sites and human largest porn sites and human largest porn sites and human exploitation sites in the world, a site exploitation sites in the world, a site exploitation sites in the world, a site that has effectively turned thousands that has effectively turned thousands that has effectively turned thousands upon thousands of American women into upon thousands of American women into upon thousands of American women into prostitutes. prostitutes. prostitutes. And according to these documents, And according to these documents, And according to these documents, Riddinsky and his wife had pledged $11 Riddinsky and his wife had pledged $11 Riddinsky and his wife had pledged $11 million to Apac. Huh. He later denied million to Apac. Huh. He later denied million to Apac. Huh. He later denied that, but the documents remain. And you that, but the documents remain. And you that, but the documents remain. And you had to ask yourself, and many people did had to ask yourself, and many people did had to ask yourself, and many people did ask themselves at the time, why would ask themselves at the time, why would ask themselves at the time, why would someone who runs a pornography site someone who runs a pornography site someone who runs a pornography site donate this much money to a pro-war donate this much money to a pro-war donate this much money to a pro-war organization, a neocon organization like organization, a neocon organization like organization, a neocon organization like Apac? What's the connection between the Apac? What's the connection between the Apac? What's the connection between the two? Huh? two? Huh? two? Huh? Then of course it was that same year Then of course it was that same year Then of course it was that same year 2024 2024 2024 that Miriam Adlesen became one of the that Miriam Adlesen became one of the that Miriam Adlesen became one of the biggest donors to the Trump campaign, biggest donors to the Trump campaign, biggest donors to the Trump campaign, hundreds of millions of dollars. Now hundreds of millions of dollars. Now hundreds of millions of dollars. Now Miriam Adlesen is not in the pornography Miriam Adlesen is not in the pornography Miriam Adlesen is not in the pornography business that we know of, but very much business that we know of, but very much business that we know of, but very much the beneficiary of the gambling the beneficiary of the gambling the beneficiary of the gambling business. Her late husband was one of business. Her late husband was one of business. Her late husband was one of the largest proprietors of casinos in the largest proprietors of casinos in the largest proprietors of casinos in the world, Sheldon Adlesen. and she the world, Sheldon Adlesen. and she the world, Sheldon Adlesen. and she became one of the biggest donors and became one of the biggest donors and became one of the biggest donors and partly because of those donations became partly because of those donations became partly because of those donations became one of the driving forces behind our war one of the driving forces behind our war one of the driving forces behind our war with Iran and also immensely powerful with Iran and also immensely powerful with Iran and also immensely powerful within this administration. In fact,

within this administration. In fact, within this administration. In fact, literally one of the people who picked literally one of the people who picked literally one of the people who picked employees of the Department of Justice, employees of the Department of Justice, employees of the Department of Justice, Mary Mson, call up PO, presidential Mary Mson, call up PO, presidential Mary Mson, call up PO, presidential personnel office at the White House. I personnel office at the White House. I personnel office at the White House. I want this person at DOJ. Bam, that want this person at DOJ. Bam, that want this person at DOJ. Bam, that person gets a job at DOJ. That happened. person gets a job at DOJ. That happened. person gets a job at DOJ. That happened. But again, you have to ask, what is the But again, you have to ask, what is the But again, you have to ask, what is the connection connection connection between pornography, in that case, between pornography, in that case, between pornography, in that case, gambling, and neocon politics? gambling, and neocon politics? gambling, and neocon politics? You wouldn't have thought there was one, You wouldn't have thought there was one, You wouldn't have thought there was one, but the connection keeps showing up. but the connection keeps showing up. but the connection keeps showing up. Here, for example, is a pretty amazing Here, for example, is a pretty amazing Here, for example, is a pretty amazing and telling clip from Ben Shapiro's and telling clip from Ben Shapiro's and telling clip from Ben Shapiro's recent podcast. Watch this. recent podcast. Watch this. recent podcast. Watch this. >> In my opinion, as I said at the time, I >> In my opinion, as I said at the time, I >> In my opinion, as I said at the time, I thought theou was counterproductive, thought theou was counterproductive, thought theou was counterproductive, that it signaled weakness, that it that it signaled weakness, that it that it signaled weakness, that it actually gave credibility to the Iranian actually gave credibility to the Iranian actually gave credibility to the Iranian regime. Well, now things are starting to regime. Well, now things are starting to regime. Well, now things are starting to reverse. You have Operation Economic reverse. You have Operation Economic reverse. You have Operation Economic Outcast led by Secretary of the Treasury Outcast led by Secretary of the Treasury Outcast led by Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessant. The goal is to Scott Bessant. The goal is to Scott Bessant. The goal is to economically strangle the Islamic economically strangle the Islamic economically strangle the Islamic Republic. So, the odds have been Republic. So, the odds have been Republic. So, the odds have been steadily going down about when we will steadily going down about when we will steadily going down about when we will actually have full traffic in the street actually have full traffic in the street actually have full traffic in the street of Hormuz. According to our friends and of Hormuz. According to our friends and of Hormuz. According to our friends and sponsors over at Khi, but they are sponsors over at Khi, but they are sponsors over at Khi, but they are rising actually rather sharply recently rising actually rather sharply recently rising actually rather sharply recently before April 1st of 2027 is now up to before April 1st of 2027 is now up to before April 1st of 2027 is now up to 42%. Before July 1st of 2027 is up to 42%. Before July 1st of 2027 is up to 42%. Before July 1st of 2027 is up to 53%.

53%. 53%. Honestly, I think we'll probably get Honestly, I think we'll probably get Honestly, I think we'll probably get there before that. there before that. there before that. >> So, that's a pretty amazing clip. Here's >> So, that's a pretty amazing clip. Here's >> So, that's a pretty amazing clip. Here's Ben Shapiro. And if you see the whole Ben Shapiro. And if you see the whole Ben Shapiro. And if you see the whole show, he spends a lot of it, as he show, he spends a lot of it, as he show, he spends a lot of it, as he always does, pushing the United States always does, pushing the United States always does, pushing the United States to send more money and well, more of our to send more money and well, more of our to send more money and well, more of our American soldiers and airmen into harm's American soldiers and airmen into harm's American soldiers and airmen into harm's way, fighting Israel's war in Iran. And way, fighting Israel's war in Iran. And way, fighting Israel's war in Iran. And then he kind of seamlessly moves to a then he kind of seamlessly moves to a then he kind of seamlessly moves to a pitch for Khi, a gambling company with pitch for Khi, a gambling company with pitch for Khi, a gambling company with with whom he's a partner. Apparently, with whom he's a partner. Apparently, with whom he's a partner. Apparently, not only am I excited about the war, not only am I excited about the war, not only am I excited about the war, he's effectively saying you can bet on he's effectively saying you can bet on he's effectively saying you can bet on its outcome here. Sign up now for its outcome here. Sign up now for its outcome here. Sign up now for Kelshi. So, here's Ben Shapiro using his Kelshi. So, here's Ben Shapiro using his Kelshi. So, here's Ben Shapiro using his daily lecture on why war is good when daily lecture on why war is good when daily lecture on why war is good when it's fought by Americans on behalf of a it's fought by Americans on behalf of a it's fought by Americans on behalf of a foreign country to foreign country to foreign country to seamlessly pitch a gambling company. If seamlessly pitch a gambling company. If seamlessly pitch a gambling company. If war wasn't good enough, how about some war wasn't good enough, how about some war wasn't good enough, how about some gambling for you? gambling for you? gambling for you? Why not pornography? Why not weed? Why not pornography? Why not weed? Why not pornography? Why not weed? Here's some prescription drugs. Well, of Here's some prescription drugs. Well, of Here's some prescription drugs. Well, of course, virtually everybody who pushes course, virtually everybody who pushes course, virtually everybody who pushes for wars like the war in Iran or the war for wars like the war in Iran or the war for wars like the war in Iran or the war in Iraq or toppling the Syrian in Iraq or toppling the Syrian in Iraq or toppling the Syrian government or killing the leader of government or killing the leader of government or killing the leader of Libya, that group, we call them Libya, that group, we call them Libya, that group, we call them neoonservatives, neoonservatives, neoonservatives, almost all of them are on board with all almost all of them are on board with all almost all of them are on board with all of these other public policy questions, of these other public policy questions, of these other public policy questions, every one of which has the net effect of every one of which has the net effect of every one of which has the net effect of hurting Americans, weakening people.

hurting Americans, weakening people. hurting Americans, weakening people. So, what's the connection here? There So, what's the connection here? There So, what's the connection here? There clearly is one, and we're just guessing, clearly is one, and we're just guessing, clearly is one, and we're just guessing, but maybe the connection is but maybe the connection is but maybe the connection is exploitation. exploitation. exploitation. So, the idea of the Iran war, like the So, the idea of the Iran war, like the So, the idea of the Iran war, like the Iraq war before it, was we use the Iraq war before it, was we use the Iraq war before it, was we use the world's best funded military backed by world's best funded military backed by world's best funded military backed by the world's most powerful economy to the world's most powerful economy to the world's most powerful economy to fight a war on behalf of another fight a war on behalf of another fight a war on behalf of another country, a tiny country that can't fight country, a tiny country that can't fight country, a tiny country that can't fight its own wars. In other words, take the its own wars. In other words, take the its own wars. In other words, take the United States and use it for our United States and use it for our United States and use it for our purposes to achieve something that we purposes to achieve something that we purposes to achieve something that we can't achieve ourselves. can't achieve ourselves. can't achieve ourselves. Basically, treat the population of the Basically, treat the population of the Basically, treat the population of the United States, the 340 million Americans United States, the 340 million Americans United States, the 340 million Americans who live here like livestock and just who live here like livestock and just who live here like livestock and just use them. use them. use them. And that's really not so different from And that's really not so different from And that's really not so different from the attitude that I don't know gets you the attitude that I don't know gets you the attitude that I don't know gets you to buy Only Fans or promote gambling to buy Only Fans or promote gambling to buy Only Fans or promote gambling companies or push legalized weed or companies or push legalized weed or companies or push legalized weed or prescription drugs on the population. prescription drugs on the population. prescription drugs on the population. None of those things is good for people. None of those things is good for people. None of those things is good for people. And of course, you know that And of course, you know that And of course, you know that you would encourage your own kids to you would encourage your own kids to you would encourage your own kids to spend all day bedding on their phones or spend all day bedding on their phones or spend all day bedding on their phones or smoke more weed. You probably wouldn't smoke more weed. You probably wouldn't smoke more weed. You probably wouldn't want your daughter and only fans, would want your daughter and only fans, would want your daughter and only fans, would you? But these aren't your kids. These you? But these aren't your kids. These you? But these aren't your kids. These are other people's kids. These are are other people's kids. These are are other people's kids. These are American kids. And why do you care?

American kids. And why do you care? American kids. And why do you care? because you can get something out of it. because you can get something out of it. because you can get something out of it. So that's a worldview that most normal So that's a worldview that most normal So that's a worldview that most normal people would consider repugnant people would consider repugnant people would consider repugnant repugnant. That's exploitation. It's repugnant. That's exploitation. It's repugnant. That's exploitation. It's cruel. It's awful. It reveals that you cruel. It's awful. It reveals that you cruel. It's awful. It reveals that you think the people from whom you're think the people from whom you're think the people from whom you're profiting aren't fully human. You don't profiting aren't fully human. You don't profiting aren't fully human. You don't care about them. You just want to take care about them. You just want to take care about them. You just want to take something from them. Most people something from them. Most people something from them. Most people consider that immoral. consider that immoral. consider that immoral. But increasingly there's no sanction But increasingly there's no sanction But increasingly there's no sanction against it. In fact, you're criticized against it. In fact, you're criticized against it. In fact, you're criticized for pointing it out, but it's so for pointing it out, but it's so for pointing it out, but it's so obviously true. And you should know that obviously true. And you should know that obviously true. And you should know that the same people pushing for these wars the same people pushing for these wars the same people pushing for these wars whose outcome can't possibly benefit whose outcome can't possibly benefit whose outcome can't possibly benefit you, your only role is to go die in you, your only role is to go die in you, your only role is to go die in their prosecution or pay for it, face their prosecution or pay for it, face their prosecution or pay for it, face the consequences long-term. Bankruptcy, the consequences long-term. Bankruptcy, the consequences long-term. Bankruptcy, destruction of a generation, that's your destruction of a generation, that's your destruction of a generation, that's your role. The people pushing for those wars role. The people pushing for those wars role. The people pushing for those wars don't care about you at all because if don't care about you at all because if don't care about you at all because if they did, they certainly wouldn't be they did, they certainly wouldn't be they did, they certainly wouldn't be steering you to gambling sites or steering you to gambling sites or steering you to gambling sites or getting your kids to smoke more weed or getting your kids to smoke more weed or getting your kids to smoke more weed or convincing your daughters to join Only convincing your daughters to join Only convincing your daughters to join Only Fans.

Fans. Fans. So, we're just starting to notice this So, we're just starting to notice this So, we're just starting to notice this because it's kind of hard to ignore. The because it's kind of hard to ignore. The because it's kind of hard to ignore. The president's top donor runs a gambling president's top donor runs a gambling president's top donor runs a gambling empire. Ben Shapiro's shilling for empire. Ben Shapiro's shilling for empire. Ben Shapiro's shilling for gambling. gambling. gambling. The guy who owns Only Fans is Apac's The guy who owns Only Fans is Apac's The guy who owns Only Fans is Apac's biggest donor. Maybe there's a biggest donor. Maybe there's a biggest donor. Maybe there's a connection here. connection here. connection here. Very few people have noted that. But one Very few people have noted that. But one Very few people have noted that. But one of them is a man called Sager and Jetty. of them is a man called Sager and Jetty. of them is a man called Sager and Jetty. Now we know Sager actually hired Sager Now we know Sager actually hired Sager Now we know Sager actually hired Sager out of college years ago. And what set out of college years ago. And what set out of college years ago. And what set Sager apart was not simply that he was Sager apart was not simply that he was Sager apart was not simply that he was smart, but that he didn't, and this was smart, but that he didn't, and this was smart, but that he didn't, and this was almost 15 years ago, have any real almost 15 years ago, have any real almost 15 years ago, have any real interest in the partisan system. He interest in the partisan system. He interest in the partisan system. He thought it was fake back when most of thought it was fake back when most of thought it was fake back when most of us, very much including me, bought into us, very much including me, bought into us, very much including me, bought into the idea that this was a war between two the idea that this was a war between two the idea that this was a war between two parties and differing worldviews. And of parties and differing worldviews. And of parties and differing worldviews. And of course, that wasn't what it was. We course, that wasn't what it was. We course, that wasn't what it was. We learned February 28th that in fact the learned February 28th that in fact the learned February 28th that in fact the parties are aligned on the basic parties are aligned on the basic parties are aligned on the basic questions. And the rest of us are questions. And the rest of us are questions. And the rest of us are encouraged to argue at the margins to encouraged to argue at the margins to encouraged to argue at the margins to preserve that lie that this is a real preserve that lie that this is a real preserve that lie that this is a real argument when in fact they're colluding argument when in fact they're colluding argument when in fact they're colluding against us. Sager and Jetty realized against us. Sager and Jetty realized against us. Sager and Jetty realized that many years ago and so he left that many years ago and so he left that many years ago and so he left conventional journalism and has wound up conventional journalism and has wound up conventional journalism and has wound up running something called Breaking Points running something called Breaking Points running something called Breaking Points which is an excellent show that he which is an excellent show that he which is an excellent show that he co-hosts uh on all social media co-hosts uh on all social media co-hosts uh on all social media platforms. We strongly recommend but platforms. We strongly recommend but platforms. We strongly recommend but maybe because he doesn't have a maybe because he doesn't have a maybe because he doesn't have a conventional worldview.

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casino. casino. >> Craps and >> Craps and >> Craps and >> blackjack and pie gal and [laughter] >> blackjack and pie gal and [laughter] >> blackjack and pie gal and [laughter] >> whatever. >> whatever. >> whatever. >> Um, but suddenly it's omnipresent. And >> Um, but suddenly it's omnipresent. And >> Um, but suddenly it's omnipresent. And I'm wondering if that's good or bad. I'm wondering if that's good or bad. I'm wondering if that's good or bad. >> Well, I think it's very bad. And I'll >> Well, I think it's very bad. And I'll >> Well, I think it's very bad. And I'll just set the stage. I wish that we were just set the stage. I wish that we were just set the stage. I wish that we were at the stage where you were at, which by at the stage where you were at, which by at the stage where you were at, which by the way, I still think is bad for people the way, I still think is bad for people the way, I still think is bad for people to uh waste a lot of their money on to uh waste a lot of their money on to uh waste a lot of their money on craps, blackjack, but those people would craps, blackjack, but those people would craps, blackjack, but those people would put modern-day gambling companies to put modern-day gambling companies to put modern-day gambling companies to shame because at the very least the shame because at the very least the shame because at the very least the house edge on those games is very house edge on those games is very house edge on those games is very limited. limited. limited. It's just you're very unlikely to do so. Americans are effectively legalized, Americans are effectively legalized, especially the ones that are being especially the ones that are being especially the ones that are being pushed by these gambling companies like pushed by these gambling companies like pushed by these gambling companies like FanDuel and DraftKings where they're FanDuel and DraftKings where they're FanDuel and DraftKings where they're hold 60% of their revenue are a type of hold 60% of their revenue are a type of hold 60% of their revenue are a type of bet which again would put a Las Vegas bet which again would put a Las Vegas bet which again would put a Las Vegas casino to shame. They're called the casino to shame. They're called the casino to shame. They're called the single game parlay. But before I even single game parlay. But before I even single game parlay. But before I even get into all of that, let's zoom out. get into all of that, let's zoom out. get into all of that, let's zoom out. Gambling as of this year is now the most Gambling as of this year is now the most Gambling as of this year is now the most popular entertainment in America. popular entertainment in America. popular entertainment in America. America is a nation of gamblers. Last uh America is a nation of gamblers. Last uh America is a nation of gamblers. Last uh >> it's the most popular entertainment in >> it's the most popular entertainment in >> it's the most popular entertainment in America America America >> by not only just the most popular of >> by not only just the most popular of >> by not only just the most popular of entertainment gambling the total amount entertainment gambling the total amount entertainment gambling the total amount that was gambled in the United that was gambled in the United that was gambled in the United Statesclipsed all types of other Statesclipsed all types of other Statesclipsed all types of other entertainment revenue movies and others entertainment revenue movies and others entertainment revenue movies and others combined. So that is the amount of combined. So that is the amount of combined. So that is the amount of dollars that we're talking about.

dollars that we're talking about. dollars that we're talking about. hundreds of billions of dollars, in some hundreds of billions of dollars, in some hundreds of billions of dollars, in some cases tens of billions of dollars per cases tens of billions of dollars per cases tens of billions of dollars per state. And most of it is targeted to state. And most of it is targeted to state. And most of it is targeted to young men specifically, which where we young men specifically, which where we young men specifically, which where we see the data overwhelmingly is see the data overwhelmingly is see the data overwhelmingly is depressing not only their savings rates, depressing not only their savings rates, depressing not only their savings rates, bankruptcy goes up, domestic violence bankruptcy goes up, domestic violence bankruptcy goes up, domestic violence goes up by nearly 10%. Especially goes up by nearly 10%. Especially goes up by nearly 10%. Especially whenever there's a home team loss, which whenever there's a home team loss, which whenever there's a home team loss, which is largely been associated with the NFL is largely been associated with the NFL is largely been associated with the NFL for quite some time. But when you add for quite some time. But when you add for quite some time. But when you add dollars into that, it makes the dollars into that, it makes the dollars into that, it makes the magnitude of the loss, of the drinking, magnitude of the loss, of the drinking, magnitude of the loss, of the drinking, of the depression, and of the anger of the depression, and of the anger of the depression, and of the anger express itself even more. So there's express itself even more. So there's express itself even more. So there's basically nothing good that has come out basically nothing good that has come out basically nothing good that has come out of it. There's a argument that comes of it. There's a argument that comes of it. There's a argument that comes from many of these states about revenue. from many of these states about revenue. from many of these states about revenue. But even the revenue argument honestly But even the revenue argument honestly But even the revenue argument honestly falls apart. The Ohio governor even said falls apart. The Ohio governor even said falls apart. The Ohio governor even said that legalizing sports gambling was a that legalizing sports gambling was a that legalizing sports gambling was a huge mistake. The same governor uh who huge mistake. The same governor uh who huge mistake. The same governor uh who legalized it. and he gave us some of the legalized it. and he gave us some of the legalized it. and he gave us some of the numbers where the amount of revenue that numbers where the amount of revenue that numbers where the amount of revenue that let's say Ohio raised is 200 let's say let's say Ohio raised is 200 let's say let's say Ohio raised is 200 let's say it is 200 million well the amount of it is 200 million well the amount of it is 200 million well the amount of associated social costs was roughly associated social costs was roughly associated social costs was roughly equivalent to the same amount of revenue equivalent to the same amount of revenue equivalent to the same amount of revenue that they took in gambling has the that they took in gambling has the that they took in gambling has the highest uh suicide rate of any addiction highest uh suicide rate of any addiction highest uh suicide rate of any addiction in the United States yes it does well in the United States yes it does well in the United States yes it does well it's one of those addictions where you it's one of those addictions where you it's one of those addictions where you can operate and hit your rock bottom can operate and hit your rock bottom can operate and hit your rock bottom without actually well if you hit your without actually well if you hit your without actually well if you hit your rock bottom as an alcoholic everybody rock bottom as an alcoholic everybody rock bottom as an alcoholic everybody around you knows you probably lost your around you knows you probably lost your around you knows you probably lost your job there's not ability to maintain Ain job there's not ability to maintain Ain job there's not ability to maintain Ain that same with drug addicts, fentinyl that same with drug addicts, fentinyl that same with drug addicts, fentinyl addicts, and the other types of addicts, and the other types of addicts, and the other types of addictions. With gambling specifically, addictions. With gambling specifically, addictions. With gambling specifically, to hit rock bottom, you can gamble your to hit rock bottom, you can gamble your to hit rock bottom, you can gamble your way into a hole and a debt spiral and way into a hole and a debt spiral and way into a hole and a debt spiral and shame. And it often leads to a point

shame. And it often leads to a point shame. And it often leads to a point where many of these men just can't face where many of these men just can't face where many of these men just can't face the music. Often, very tragically leads the music. Often, very tragically leads the music. Often, very tragically leads to suicide. And I believe that I don't to suicide. And I believe that I don't to suicide. And I believe that I don't want to play dumb. I've actually seen want to play dumb. I've actually seen want to play dumb. I've actually seen it, it, it, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And I, you know, quit drinking myself. >> And I, you know, quit drinking myself. >> And I, you know, quit drinking myself. So if you reach the bottom of alcoholism So if you reach the bottom of alcoholism So if you reach the bottom of alcoholism or drug addiction, you can stop using or drug addiction, you can stop using or drug addiction, you can stop using drugs or alcohol. drugs or alcohol. drugs or alcohol. >> You reach the bottom of gambling and >> You reach the bottom of gambling and >> You reach the bottom of gambling and it's insolveny. It's like pretty hard to it's insolveny. It's like pretty hard to it's insolveny. It's like pretty hard to fight your way out of that. fight your way out of that. fight your way out of that. >> That's right. And it's on your phone. So >> That's right. And it's on your phone. So >> That's right. And it's on your phone. So even, you know, imagine if you could even, you know, imagine if you could even, you know, imagine if you could drink out of your phone when you were an drink out of your phone when you were an drink out of your phone when you were an alcoholic. That's the equivalent of what alcoholic. That's the equivalent of what alcoholic. That's the equivalent of what we're looking at. This is the most we're looking at. This is the most we're looking at. This is the most omniresent environment for gambling in omniresent environment for gambling in omniresent environment for gambling in modern history. And just again to put modern history. And just again to put modern history. And just again to put some color on the numbers, I have some some color on the numbers, I have some some color on the numbers, I have some of my notes in front of me. There's been of my notes in front of me. There's been of my notes in front of me. There's been $500 billion wagered since 2018. In 2025 $500 billion wagered since 2018. In 2025 $500 billion wagered since 2018. In 2025 alone, 166 billion on sports, more than alone, 166 billion on sports, more than alone, 166 billion on sports, more than movies, recorded music, live music, movies, recorded music, live music, movies, recorded music, live music, books, museums combined of a normal 70 books, museums combined of a normal 70 books, museums combined of a normal 70 billion. So, it's double the amount of billion. So, it's double the amount of billion. So, it's double the amount of revenue for all of those associated revenue for all of those associated revenue for all of those associated other types of entertainment, which I other types of entertainment, which I other types of entertainment, which I would argue have a lot more of a social would argue have a lot more of a social would argue have a lot more of a social net positive. Now, what we see is that net positive. Now, what we see is that net positive. Now, what we see is that there is a 25 to 30% increase in in there is a 25 to 30% increase in in there is a 25 to 30% increase in in states which legalize online gambling.

states which legalize online gambling. states which legalize online gambling. $1 bet leads to $2 of less savings, 10% $1 bet leads to $2 of less savings, 10% $1 bet leads to $2 of less savings, 10% point in domestic violence after an NFL point in domestic violence after an NFL point in domestic violence after an NFL upset losses. And that's just the top upset losses. And that's just the top upset losses. And that's just the top line. And then in terms of how much this line. And then in terms of how much this line. And then in terms of how much this is pervading everything, these companies is pervading everything, these companies is pervading everything, these companies spend billions of dollars a year on the spend billions of dollars a year on the spend billions of dollars a year on the most expensive advertising real estate most expensive advertising real estate most expensive advertising real estate in the world. And this is all of sports in the world. And this is all of sports in the world. And this is all of sports media. So you had ESPN, you have all of media. So you had ESPN, you have all of media. So you had ESPN, you have all of these podcasts which are being paid these podcasts which are being paid these podcasts which are being paid millions of dollars above market rate millions of dollars above market rate millions of dollars above market rate simply to promote gambling and to get simply to promote gambling and to get simply to promote gambling and to get these people, many of their audience, a these people, many of their audience, a these people, many of their audience, a lot of these young men hooked into the lot of these young men hooked into the lot of these young men hooked into the sport. And I think even we can also have sport. And I think even we can also have sport. And I think even we can also have a bigger conversation about what it's a bigger conversation about what it's a bigger conversation about what it's done for sports generally. you were done for sports generally. you were done for sports generally. you were talking about as an older person, you talking about as an older person, you talking about as an older person, you know, you you you may not realize it, know, you you you may not realize it, know, you you you may not realize it, but if you talk to the young generation, but if you talk to the young generation, but if you talk to the young generation, I'm talking 12, 13, 14 years old, I'm talking 12, 13, 14 years old, I'm talking 12, 13, 14 years old, specifically teenage boys, if I ask them specifically teenage boys, if I ask them specifically teenage boys, if I ask them before an NFL game what the line on a before an NFL game what the line on a before an NFL game what the line on a game was, they'll know it. They'll even game was, they'll know it. They'll even game was, they'll know it. They'll even know what the odds of relative prop bets know what the odds of relative prop bets know what the odds of relative prop bets are for some of their favorite players. are for some of their favorite players. are for some of their favorite players. That is a completely new reality that That is a completely new reality that That is a completely new reality that has only emerged just since 2018 since has only emerged just since 2018 since has only emerged just since 2018 since the landmark Supreme Court decision the landmark Supreme Court decision the landmark Supreme Court decision originally struck down. the the I think originally struck down. the the I think originally struck down. the the I think it's PASPA was the law which had been it's PASPA was the law which had been it's PASPA was the law which had been passed which allowed Nevada to continue passed which allowed Nevada to continue passed which allowed Nevada to continue sports betting again in a casino but did sports betting again in a casino but did sports betting again in a casino but did not allow sports betting wagering not allow sports betting wagering not allow sports betting wagering nationwide and we can thank Chris nationwide and we can thank Chris nationwide and we can thank Chris Christie for all of this.

Christie for all of this. Christie for all of this. >> There's no one worse. There's no one >> There's no one worse. There's no one >> There's no one worse. There's no one more corrupt than Chris Christie. He's more corrupt than Chris Christie. He's more corrupt than Chris Christie. He's just and I mean like on a deep human just and I mean like on a deep human just and I mean like on a deep human level corrupt. Um, yeah. I mean, you level corrupt. Um, yeah. I mean, you level corrupt. Um, yeah. I mean, you said podcast without getting into it, said podcast without getting into it, said podcast without getting into it, but we were approached by a couple of but we were approached by a couple of but we were approached by a couple of different gambling companies um with different gambling companies um with different gambling companies um with real money. I had no idea they were real money. I had no idea they were real money. I had no idea they were gambling companies. I thought they were gambling companies. I thought they were gambling companies. I thought they were polling companies. I mean, I really polling companies. I mean, I really polling companies. I mean, I really didn't know. And I mean that. didn't know. And I mean that. didn't know. And I mean that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I called someone about it. No, those are >> I called someone about it. No, those are >> I called someone about it. No, those are gambling companies. Oh, okay. gambling companies. Oh, okay. gambling companies. Oh, okay. >> What's the difference between a polling >> What's the difference between a polling >> What's the difference between a polling company and a gambling company? company and a gambling company? company and a gambling company? >> Right. Well, this is where it also gets >> Right. Well, this is where it also gets >> Right. Well, this is where it also gets complicated. So all of my criticism complicated. So all of my criticism complicated. So all of my criticism right now has been about online sports right now has been about online sports right now has been about online sports betting companies. FanDuel, DraftKings, betting companies. FanDuel, DraftKings, betting companies. FanDuel, DraftKings, Hard Rock Bet, any of those types of Hard Rock Bet, any of those types of Hard Rock Bet, any of those types of actual wagering. And just to explain the actual wagering. And just to explain the actual wagering. And just to explain the difference, that is a house against you. difference, that is a house against you. difference, that is a house against you. As in the house of DraftKings sets the As in the house of DraftKings sets the As in the house of DraftKings sets the line on a specific book for, you know, line on a specific book for, you know, line on a specific book for, you know, let's say like a Patriots versus the let's say like a Patriots versus the let's say like a Patriots versus the Eagles, like it just comes to mind. So Eagles, like it just comes to mind. So Eagles, like it just comes to mind. So that's you against the house trying to that's you against the house trying to that's you against the house trying to make sure that you get an edge hopefully make sure that you get an edge hopefully make sure that you get an edge hopefully and you'll win. what you're talking and you'll win. what you're talking and you'll win. what you're talking about uh are these prediction market about uh are these prediction market about uh are these prediction market companies predominantly in the United companies predominantly in the United companies predominantly in the United States is Khi and Poly Market and I do States is Khi and Poly Market and I do States is Khi and Poly Market and I do want to be fair to them they are not the want to be fair to them they are not the want to be fair to them they are not the same thing however operationally I think same thing however operationally I think same thing however operationally I think they are so they advertise themselves as they are so they advertise themselves as they are so they advertise themselves as event contracts and so it's a prediction event contracts and so it's a prediction event contracts and so it's a prediction market so for example there's a two market so for example there's a two market so for example there's a two sides of the bet and so I come in and sides of the bet and so I come in and sides of the bet and so I come in and somebody else is willing to take the somebody else is willing to take the somebody else is willing to take the other side of the it's it's similar I other side of the it's it's similar I other side of the it's it's similar I would say to horse race betting of terms would say to horse race betting of terms would say to horse race betting of terms of the amount of dollars which are of the amount of dollars which are of the amount of dollars which are inside the pool and then who's going to inside the pool and then who's going to inside the pool and then who's going to take the you know x 85% chance versus

take the you know x 85% chance versus take the you know x 85% chance versus the 15% chance the 15% chance the 15% chance >> and the house gets a set percentage >> and the house gets a set percentage >> and the house gets a set percentage >> and they get a set fee that they take >> and they get a set fee that they take >> and they get a set fee that they take off and so that's their similar off and so that's their similar off and so that's their similar difference let's say between the difference let's say between the difference let's say between the prediction market and the actual prediction market and the actual prediction market and the actual gambling company. However, these gambling company. However, these gambling company. However, these prediction market companies have a lot prediction market companies have a lot prediction market companies have a lot of the same problems. So when you were of the same problems. So when you were of the same problems. So when you were to speak to them, I'm sure that they to speak to them, I'm sure that they to speak to them, I'm sure that they would talk a lot about derivatives and would talk a lot about derivatives and would talk a lot about derivatives and event contracts. It's all very event contracts. It's all very event contracts. It's all very financialized language. And so they try financialized language. And so they try financialized language. And so they try to present themselves as above what to present themselves as above what to present themselves as above what these companies are. But here's the these companies are. But here's the these companies are. But here's the truth. The vast majority of the action truth. The vast majority of the action truth. The vast majority of the action which is taken on these platforms, and I which is taken on these platforms, and I which is taken on these platforms, and I use that term specifically because they use that term specifically because they use that term specifically because they would say the amount of dollars weight would say the amount of dollars weight would say the amount of dollars weight or dollars placed, I'm saying action or dollars placed, I'm saying action or dollars placed, I'm saying action because it is ultimately gambling is all because it is ultimately gambling is all because it is ultimately gambling is all on sports. Over 80 85% of the volume on on sports. Over 80 85% of the volume on on sports. Over 80 85% of the volume on Kali andor poly market is placed on Kali andor poly market is placed on Kali andor poly market is placed on sports. You also have the same power law sports. You also have the same power law sports. You also have the same power law problems where the vast majority of the problems where the vast majority of the problems where the vast majority of the profit acrus to a very small group of profit acrus to a very small group of profit acrus to a very small group of traders known as sharps both in the traders known as sharps both in the traders known as sharps both in the event uh you know in the prediction event uh you know in the prediction event uh you know in the prediction market business andor in gambling actual market business andor in gambling actual market business andor in gambling actual online gambling and I think even by online gambling and I think even by online gambling and I think even by their own data only 25% of the people their own data only 25% of the people their own data only 25% of the people who play within a month or trade within who play within a month or trade within who play within a month or trade within a month as they would call it are even a month as they would call it are even a month as they would call it are even people who win money and so by your own people who win money and so by your own people who win money and so by your own admission and by the way that's actually admission and by the way that's actually admission and by the way that's actually quite high uh if you were to wager over quite high uh if you were to wager over quite high uh if you were to wager over a month whenever we're talking about a month whenever we're talking about a month whenever we're talking about sports betting this is what I mean by sports betting this is what I mean by sports betting this is what I mean by legaliz theft. When I step back and you legaliz theft. When I step back and you legaliz theft. When I step back and you ask me the question, is this good for ask me the question, is this good for ask me the question, is this good for America? How can it be good for young America? How can it be good for young America? How can it be good for young men to routinely participate in a daily, men to routinely participate in a daily, men to routinely participate in a daily, sometimes more than daily practice of sometimes more than daily practice of sometimes more than daily practice of just throwing their money away to either just throwing their money away to either just throwing their money away to either groups of Wall Street traders or large

groups of Wall Street traders or large groups of Wall Street traders or large gambling houses based in Europe and the gambling houses based in Europe and the gambling houses based in Europe and the United States to acrue for shareholder United States to acrue for shareholder United States to acrue for shareholder value. There is no good that comes from value. There is no good that comes from value. There is no good that comes from that. I laid out domestic violence that. I laid out domestic violence that. I laid out domestic violence thinks about the social cost but bigger thinks about the social cost but bigger thinks about the social cost but bigger picture and this might this actually picture and this might this actually picture and this might this actually might even be I I talk a lot about might even be I I talk a lot about might even be I I talk a lot about sports betting I I do think it's the sports betting I I do think it's the sports betting I I do think it's the number one scourge but the CEO of Kshi number one scourge but the CEO of Kshi number one scourge but the CEO of Kshi Tar Bonsour had said that he envisions a Tar Bonsour had said that he envisions a Tar Bonsour had said that he envisions a future where people can trade on future where people can trade on future where people can trade on everything think about the social and everything think about the social and everything think about the social and corrosive cost of what it means for some corrosive cost of what it means for some corrosive cost of what it means for some of the events contracts which are of the events contracts which are of the events contracts which are offered either on Cali or Poly market offered either on Cali or Poly market offered either on Cali or Poly market we're talking about flight [snorts] we're talking about flight [snorts] we're talking about flight [snorts] delays I mean can you imagine the delays I mean can you imagine the delays I mean can you imagine the pervert incentive of manipulating flight pervert incentive of manipulating flight pervert incentive of manipulating flight delays and want, you know, they they delays and want, you know, they they delays and want, you know, they they frame it as hedging, saying, well, frame it as hedging, saying, well, frame it as hedging, saying, well, somebody wanted to do a conference and somebody wanted to do a conference and somebody wanted to do a conference and they wanted to make sure that if the they wanted to make sure that if the they wanted to make sure that if the conference got flight delays that they conference got flight delays that they conference got flight delays that they could hedge their bet. They promote the could hedge their bet. They promote the could hedge their bet. They promote the hell out of this, but they don't think hell out of this, but they don't think hell out of this, but they don't think about the social cost of what it means about the social cost of what it means about the social cost of what it means to be able to wager literally on to be able to wager literally on to be able to wager literally on everything. You could create a market everything. You could create a market everything. You could create a market right now for what you and I are going right now for what you and I are going right now for what you and I are going to say on this platform by their rules, to say on this platform by their rules, to say on this platform by their rules, according to their internal house rules.

according to their internal house rules. according to their internal house rules. That would be insider trading if you or That would be insider trading if you or That would be insider trading if you or I were to wager on that. However, I was I were to wager on that. However, I was I were to wager on that. However, I was at a restaurant yesterday. We both were at a restaurant yesterday. We both were at a restaurant yesterday. We both were and I was speaking to some people or and I was speaking to some people or and I was speaking to some people or asking me about what I was going to talk asking me about what I was going to talk asking me about what I was going to talk about. Well, they could have wagered. about. Well, they could have wagered. about. Well, they could have wagered. They could have created a market about They could have created a market about They could have created a market about what I was going to say with that inside what I was going to say with that inside what I was going to say with that inside information. There is no regulatory information. There is no regulatory information. There is no regulatory authority to actually go after insider authority to actually go after insider authority to actually go after insider trading at a bigger level. There is for trading at a bigger level. There is for trading at a bigger level. There is for the military and I can talk about that the military and I can talk about that the military and I can talk about that as well where uh large bets specifically as well where uh large bets specifically as well where uh large bets specifically on poly market for insider information on poly market for insider information on poly market for insider information things like the Maduro raid and others things like the Maduro raid and others things like the Maduro raid and others clearly leaked out to a small group of clearly leaked out to a small group of clearly leaked out to a small group of people who then went and placed bets on people who then went and placed bets on people who then went and placed bets on these markets on whether the United these markets on whether the United these markets on whether the United States was going to go capture Maduro. States was going to go capture Maduro. States was going to go capture Maduro. Same whenever it came to uh the military Same whenever it came to uh the military Same whenever it came to uh the military operations against Iran. There were huge operations against Iran. There were huge operations against Iran. There were huge sums of money that were paid out on sums of money that were paid out on sums of money that were paid out on that. The Trump administration has gone that. The Trump administration has gone that. The Trump administration has gone after a few select cases, but those are after a few select cases, but those are after a few select cases, but those are only the most obvious cases of members only the most obvious cases of members only the most obvious cases of members of the military. The Israeli military of the military. The Israeli military of the military. The Israeli military also had to prosecute several of its own also had to prosecute several of its own also had to prosecute several of its own soldiers for placing bets on polymarket soldiers for placing bets on polymarket soldiers for placing bets on polymarket for events that they knew they were for events that they knew they were for events that they knew they were going to happen because they were going to happen because they were going to happen because they were participating betting on wars.

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literal reality just to make money. literal reality just to make money. >> This is the free market capitalism they >> This is the free market capitalism they >> This is the free market capitalism they promised. promised. promised. >> This is the free market capitalism that >> This is the free market capitalism that >> This is the free market capitalism that they've promised us and and and makes it they've promised us and and and makes it they've promised us and and and makes it so you can't trust anything. There was so you can't trust anything. There was so you can't trust anything. There was recently a case where uh Caroline Levit recently a case where uh Caroline Levit recently a case where uh Caroline Levit was holding a press conference, one of was holding a press conference, one of was holding a press conference, one of her press briefings, and there was a her press briefings, and there was a her press briefings, and there was a market that it would go over x amount of market that it would go over x amount of market that it would go over x amount of time. I forget exactly how much time time. I forget exactly how much time time. I forget exactly how much time that she would spend at the podium. And that she would spend at the podium. And that she would spend at the podium. And she happened to end it seconds before she happened to end it seconds before she happened to end it seconds before that the majority position was. So, you that the majority position was. So, you that the majority position was. So, you could have bet the under on how long could have bet the under on how long could have bet the under on how long that press conference was going to take that press conference was going to take that press conference was going to take place and you could have paid out, I place and you could have paid out, I place and you could have paid out, I forget the exact dollar, maybe 20 to1. forget the exact dollar, maybe 20 to1. forget the exact dollar, maybe 20 to1. There's also all these insider trading There's also all these insider trading There's also all these insider trading uh things that so I gave the obvious uh things that so I gave the obvious uh things that so I gave the obvious example that you and I talked about this example that you and I talked about this example that you and I talked about this specific one. I'll give you another one specific one. I'll give you another one specific one. I'll give you another one relates to a vice is marijuana. I don't relates to a vice is marijuana. I don't relates to a vice is marijuana. I don't think like this but I could have. I'll think like this but I could have. I'll think like this but I could have. I'll give you an example. I got a call cuz I give you an example. I got a call cuz I give you an example. I got a call cuz I I'm this my job. I'm I do reporting. I'm this my job. I'm I do reporting. I'm this my job. I'm I do reporting. Somebody called me and said Trump's Somebody called me and said Trump's Somebody called me and said Trump's going to reschedule marijuana. I was going to reschedule marijuana. I was going to reschedule marijuana. I was like wow. So I I start working the like wow. So I I start working the like wow. So I I start working the phones. I start seeing what I can find phones. I start seeing what I can find phones. I start seeing what I can find out about this. I email the White House. out about this. I email the White House. out about this. I email the White House. At that time, I could have got a 1% At that time, I could have got a 1% At that time, I could have got a 1% chance on either prediction markets or I chance on either prediction markets or I chance on either prediction markets or I could have purchased marijuana stocks could have purchased marijuana stocks could have purchased marijuana stocks because I had inside information. And I because I had inside information. And I because I had inside information. And I actually watched as I started doing my actually watched as I started doing my actually watched as I started doing my reporting that it started to leak out in reporting that it started to leak out in reporting that it started to leak out in broader Washington. And I can see the broader Washington. And I can see the broader Washington. And I can see the stocks start to rise. I see rumors begin stocks start to rise. I see rumors begin stocks start to rise. I see rumors begin to come out. Then the official to come out. Then the official to come out. Then the official announcement eventually breaks from some announcement eventually breaks from some announcement eventually breaks from some establishment media outlet. The price establishment media outlet. The price establishment media outlet. The price goes skyhigh. I personally could have goes skyhigh. I personally could have goes skyhigh. I personally could have profited literally millions of dollars profited literally millions of dollars profited literally millions of dollars if I had wanted to. I would never do if I had wanted to. I would never do if I had wanted to. I would never do such a thing. I think that's literally

such a thing. I think that's literally such a thing. I think that's literally blood money and scumbag behavior, but blood money and scumbag behavior, but blood money and scumbag behavior, but there's no law that prevents me from there's no law that prevents me from there's no law that prevents me from doing that. I was doing my job in a doing that. I was doing my job in a doing that. I was doing my job in a routine basis. I could have made myself routine basis. I could have made myself routine basis. I could have made myself extraordinary sums of money. You extraordinary sums of money. You extraordinary sums of money. You probably could have done the same thing probably could have done the same thing probably could have done the same thing with all kinds of various things that with all kinds of various things that with all kinds of various things that you've been doing in your line of work. you've been doing in your line of work. you've been doing in your line of work. Is it technically insider trading? No, Is it technically insider trading? No, Is it technically insider trading? No, we're not even of these. Exactly. we're not even of these. Exactly. we're not even of these. Exactly. Because that's our character. But how Because that's our character. But how Because that's our character. But how many is character really the constraint many is character really the constraint many is character really the constraint through which we should offer the through which we should offer the through which we should offer the integrity of our financial markets? And integrity of our financial markets? And integrity of our financial markets? And even worse, I see these viral social even worse, I see these viral social even worse, I see these viral social media claims. People will say, "I'm media claims. People will say, "I'm media claims. People will say, "I'm getting rich betting on what Donald getting rich betting on what Donald getting rich betting on what Donald Trump is going to say." You can get Trump is going to say." You can get Trump is going to say." You can get various odds of whether Trump will say various odds of whether Trump will say various odds of whether Trump will say the words low IQ this week, of whether the words low IQ this week, of whether the words low IQ this week, of whether Trump will say, which pretty much a lock Trump will say, which pretty much a lock Trump will say, which pretty much a lock I think if he would hold that one, I think if he would hold that one, I think if he would hold that one, whether he would criticize you uh you whether he would criticize you uh you whether he would criticize you uh you know, this week. And so, you know, know, this week. And so, you know, know, this week. And so, you know, people in the White House, they have people in the White House, they have people in the White House, they have relatives. They could call them. The relatives. They could call them. The relatives. They could call them. The relatives could call another relative. relatives could call another relative. relatives could call another relative. They could easily make a lot of money They could easily make a lot of money They could easily make a lot of money doing this. I mean, this is about our doing this. I mean, this is about our doing this. I mean, this is about our government. This is about sports. It's government. This is about sports. It's government. This is about sports. It's about entertainment. But my bigger about entertainment. But my bigger about entertainment. But my bigger picture, this is bad for society. There picture, this is bad for society. There picture, this is bad for society. There was a recent poll that came out. Go was a recent poll that came out. Go was a recent poll that came out. Go ahead.

ahead. ahead. >> Well, I isn't the reason that sports >> Well, I isn't the reason that sports >> Well, I isn't the reason that sports betting was banned in the first place betting was banned in the first place betting was banned in the first place 100 years ago because it corrupted 100 years ago because it corrupted 100 years ago because it corrupted sport. sport. sport. >> Exactly. And >> Exactly. And >> Exactly. And >> people started throwing games. >> people started throwing games. >> people started throwing games. >> Exactly. And you know, the Major League >> Exactly. And you know, the Major League >> Exactly. And you know, the Major League Baseball itself, the National League and Baseball itself, the National League and Baseball itself, the National League and others were formed specifically to stop others were formed specifically to stop others were formed specifically to stop the corrosive effects of the game of the corrosive effects of the game of the corrosive effects of the game of gambling because they knew that it was a gambling because they knew that it was a gambling because they knew that it was a problem. And for over 80 years, these problem. And for over 80 years, these problem. And for over 80 years, these companies held the line. Paul Tagle, the companies held the line. Paul Tagle, the companies held the line. Paul Tagle, the NFL commissioner, testified before the NFL commissioner, testified before the NFL commissioner, testified before the US Senate against gambling. David Stern, US Senate against gambling. David Stern, US Senate against gambling. David Stern, I think is his name, the NBA uh I think is his name, the NBA uh I think is his name, the NBA uh commissioner, also testified against commissioner, also testified against commissioner, also testified against gambling. But what ended up happening is gambling. But what ended up happening is gambling. But what ended up happening is this is a very tragic story is that the this is a very tragic story is that the this is a very tragic story is that the English Premier League when Britain English Premier League when Britain English Premier League when Britain legalized gambling and specifically has legalized gambling and specifically has legalized gambling and specifically has had long sports gambling for quite some had long sports gambling for quite some had long sports gambling for quite some time, their valuations began to time, their valuations began to time, their valuations began to skyrocket. And so the capitalist greed skyrocket. And so the capitalist greed skyrocket. And so the capitalist greed of the NBA owners and of the NFL owners of the NBA owners and of the NFL owners of the NBA owners and of the NFL owners and the commissioners, they look across and the commissioners, they look across and the commissioners, they look across the pond and they think, "How can I the pond and they think, "How can I the pond and they think, "How can I accelerate my valuation and the amount accelerate my valuation and the amount accelerate my valuation and the amount of dollars that I can pluck out of of dollars that I can pluck out of of dollars that I can pluck out of America just like they did?" Now you and America just like they did?" Now you and America just like they did?" Now you and I as social critics would say in what I as social critics would say in what I as social critics would say in what way would we want to emulate the British way would we want to emulate the British way would we want to emulate the British working class for our working class who working class for our working class who working class for our working class who have been emiserated and who currently have been emiserated and who currently have been emiserated and who currently have a GDP which is less than the state have a GDP which is less than the state have a GDP which is less than the state of miss GDP is not everything but you of miss GDP is not everything but you of miss GDP is not everything but you know less than the state of Mississippi.

know less than the state of Mississippi. know less than the state of Mississippi. I could look at Brazil, another horrific I could look at Brazil, another horrific I could look at Brazil, another horrific example, really ground zero of sports example, really ground zero of sports example, really ground zero of sports betting where, you know, in Brazil they betting where, you know, in Brazil they betting where, you know, in Brazil they have those cash transfer programs for uh have those cash transfer programs for uh have those cash transfer programs for uh poor Brazilians, which previously was poor Brazilians, which previously was poor Brazilians, which previously was held up as a major social welfare held up as a major social welfare held up as a major social welfare benefit. Well, more recent data has come benefit. Well, more recent data has come benefit. Well, more recent data has come out from Brazil. The vast majority of out from Brazil. The vast majority of out from Brazil. The vast majority of that money is being cycled right back that money is being cycled right back that money is being cycled right back into sports gambling. And so, people are into sports gambling. And so, people are into sports gambling. And so, people are getting their cash transfer with the getting their cash transfer with the getting their cash transfer with the government. They're handing it right government. They're handing it right government. They're handing it right over to the gambling companies. They are over to the gambling companies. They are over to the gambling companies. They are massively addicted to soccer betting massively addicted to soccer betting massively addicted to soccer betting down there specifically. So our NFL down there specifically. So our NFL down there specifically. So our NFL commissioner, our mob commissioner, they commissioner, our mob commissioner, they commissioner, our mob commissioner, they looked abroad to the Premier League all looked abroad to the Premier League all looked abroad to the Premier League all at the same time. While Chris Christie at the same time. While Chris Christie at the same time. While Chris Christie is advancing his case for New Jersey to is advancing his case for New Jersey to is advancing his case for New Jersey to have sports betting, all of this came have sports betting, all of this came have sports betting, all of this came from the great recession. Atlantic City from the great recession. Atlantic City from the great recession. Atlantic City was really taking, you know, having a was really taking, you know, having a was really taking, you know, having a hard time when with their revenue. Uh hard time when with their revenue. Uh hard time when with their revenue. Uh after in the aftermath of the great after in the aftermath of the great after in the aftermath of the great recession, Chris Christie becomes the recession, Chris Christie becomes the recession, Chris Christie becomes the governor. Christy decides that he's governor. Christy decides that he's governor. Christy decides that he's going to try and have a workaround to going to try and have a workaround to going to try and have a workaround to allow sports betting in New Jersey allow sports betting in New Jersey allow sports betting in New Jersey specifically. And so I won't take specifically. And so I won't take specifically. And so I won't take everyone through all the complicated everyone through all the complicated everyone through all the complicated legal minutia. The basics of it are they legal minutia. The basics of it are they legal minutia. The basics of it are they passed several laws. They took it passed several laws. They took it passed several laws. They took it through various circuit courts, went all through various circuit courts, went all through various circuit courts, went all the way up to the Supreme Court, five the way up to the Supreme Court, five the way up to the Supreme Court, five conservative justices, one liberal conservative justices, one liberal conservative justices, one liberal justice, rules on behalf of the state of justice, rules on behalf of the state of justice, rules on behalf of the state of New Jersey. And they say that what New Jersey. And they say that what New Jersey. And they say that what Congress did by restricting sports Congress did by restricting sports Congress did by restricting sports betting, specifically only allowing a betting, specifically only allowing a betting, specifically only allowing a loophole where Nevada could have it but loophole where Nevada could have it but loophole where Nevada could have it but nobody else could have it, was unfair to nobody else could have it, was unfair to nobody else could have it, was unfair to states rights. This comes at a time too states rights. This comes at a time too states rights. This comes at a time too when states are revenue hungry. 2018 when states are revenue hungry. 2018 when states are revenue hungry. 2018 right into the pandemic. So what

right into the pandemic. So what right into the pandemic. So what happens? Vast majority of these states, happens? Vast majority of these states, happens? Vast majority of these states, I think 42 states now have legalized I think 42 states now have legalized I think 42 states now have legalized sports betting. And what they did is sports betting. And what they did is sports betting. And what they did is they not only allowed Leeli sports they not only allowed Leeli sports they not only allowed Leeli sports betting in the casino like Nevada always betting in the casino like Nevada always betting in the casino like Nevada always had is they quickly realized that there had is they quickly realized that there had is they quickly realized that there were these apps like DraftKings and were these apps like DraftKings and were these apps like DraftKings and FanDuel which had the infrastructure FanDuel which had the infrastructure FanDuel which had the infrastructure laid out already which allows you to laid out already which allows you to laid out already which allows you to normalize and create online sports books normalize and create online sports books normalize and create online sports books specifically. And so that's why I gave specifically. And so that's why I gave specifically. And so that's why I gave you that number 500 billion half a you that number 500 billion half a you that number 500 billion half a trillion dollars wagered in this nation trillion dollars wagered in this nation trillion dollars wagered in this nation since 2018. And it just dispels all of since 2018. And it just dispels all of since 2018. And it just dispels all of this notion of how oh well I mean the this notion of how oh well I mean the this notion of how oh well I mean the classic libertarian argument well people classic libertarian argument well people classic libertarian argument well people are always going to sports bet. That's are always going to sports bet. That's are always going to sports bet. That's actually BS in my opinion because if we actually BS in my opinion because if we actually BS in my opinion because if we look to the current types of bets that look to the current types of bets that look to the current types of bets that people place today they place the types people place today they place the types people place today they place the types of bets which I've talked about which no of bets which I've talked about which no of bets which I've talked about which no bookie or mafia boss would ever offer bookie or mafia boss would ever offer bookie or mafia boss would ever offer you. They're talking about offering you you. They're talking about offering you you. They're talking about offering you when I open the app, the single game when I open the app, the single game when I open the app, the single game parlay, it would say it's not just parlay, it would say it's not just parlay, it would say it's not just whether you win or lose. And it's not whether you win or lose. And it's not whether you win or lose. And it's not even just the spread plus three and 1/2 even just the spread plus three and 1/2 even just the spread plus three and 1/2 minus three and 1/2. It's the spread minus three and 1/2. It's the spread minus three and 1/2. It's the spread combined with the quarterback throwing combined with the quarterback throwing combined with the quarterback throwing for 200 yards combined with the receiver for 200 yards combined with the receiver for 200 yards combined with the receiver scoring two touchdowns. And they offer scoring two touchdowns. And they offer scoring two touchdowns. And they offer you a price. Bet $10 to win 750. the you a price. Bet $10 to win 750. the you a price. Bet $10 to win 750. the idiot brain combined with alcohol or idiot brain combined with alcohol or idiot brain combined with alcohol or marijuana for a lot of these guys marijuana for a lot of these guys marijuana for a lot of these guys sitting on their couches. Let's do it.

sitting on their couches. Let's do it. sitting on their couches. Let's do it. $10. What they don't realize is that the $10. What they don't realize is that the $10. What they don't realize is that the contingent odds that they just placed contingent odds that they just placed contingent odds that they just placed lose money so regularly that the lose money so regularly that the lose money so regularly that the companies can project their revenue companies can project their revenue companies can project their revenue based off of that type of bet, the based off of that type of bet, the based off of that type of bet, the single game parlay bet. So much so that single game parlay bet. So much so that single game parlay bet. So much so that they can project their earnings out into they can project their earnings out into they can project their earnings out into the future. 60% of their revenue comes the future. 60% of their revenue comes the future. 60% of their revenue comes specifically from that type of bet. So, specifically from that type of bet. So, specifically from that type of bet. So, when people tell me America's always when people tell me America's always when people tell me America's always been a nation of sports gam gamblers, been a nation of sports gam gamblers, been a nation of sports gam gamblers, that's totally wrong. The type of bets that's totally wrong. The type of bets that's totally wrong. The type of bets that they were making were usually that they were making were usually that they were making were usually illegal, you know, backroom types of illegal, you know, backroom types of illegal, you know, backroom types of bets, plus or minus on the spread to the bets, plus or minus on the spread to the bets, plus or minus on the spread to the extent that they were ever able to even extent that they were ever able to even extent that they were ever able to even get these types of parlay bets. It was get these types of parlay bets. It was get these types of parlay bets. It was in person in a Vegas casino. And they in person in a Vegas casino. And they in person in a Vegas casino. And they would never take the amount of dollars would never take the amount of dollars would never take the amount of dollars that they're wagering currently at a lot that they're wagering currently at a lot that they're wagering currently at a lot of these places. And one thing I beg for of these places. And one thing I beg for of these places. And one thing I beg for a lot of the listeners and I've tried to a lot of the listeners and I've tried to a lot of the listeners and I've tried to explain this. If you're a younger guy explain this. If you're a younger guy explain this. If you're a younger guy out there and you're doing this for the out there and you're doing this for the out there and you're doing this for the thrill, I just want you to know, thrill, I just want you to know, thrill, I just want you to know, especially with the parlay bets, you especially with the parlay bets, you especially with the parlay bets, you will not win. You will not win. It's a will not win. You will not win. It's a will not win. You will not win. It's a mathematical fact if you do this over mathematical fact if you do this over mathematical fact if you do this over time. And this brings me to the worst time. And this brings me to the worst time. And this brings me to the worst part of the industry. If you do win, part of the industry. If you do win, part of the industry. If you do win, they'll ban you. And so, I'm sure you they'll ban you. And so, I'm sure you they'll ban you. And so, I'm sure you know this with blackjack, for example.

know this with blackjack, for example. know this with blackjack, for example. Everybody famously lionizes the people Everybody famously lionizes the people Everybody famously lionizes the people who can count cards. What they don't who can count cards. What they don't who can count cards. What they don't tell you, if you walk into a Las Vegas tell you, if you walk into a Las Vegas tell you, if you walk into a Las Vegas casino and you start counting cards, you casino and you start counting cards, you casino and you start counting cards, you will be asked to leave the blackjack will be asked to leave the blackjack will be asked to leave the blackjack table within probably 30 minutes to an table within probably 30 minutes to an table within probably 30 minutes to an hour, unless you're really good at it hour, unless you're really good at it hour, unless you're really good at it and you're working with a team. How is and you're working with a team. How is and you're working with a team. How is that legal? You might ask. They have the that legal? You might ask. They have the that legal? You might ask. They have the right to refuse service. And it's right to refuse service. And it's right to refuse service. And it's because even with the small house edge because even with the small house edge because even with the small house edge of blackjack, if you are an advantaged of blackjack, if you are an advantaged of blackjack, if you are an advantaged player in blackjack and especially if player in blackjack and especially if player in blackjack and especially if they allow those advantage players to they allow those advantage players to they allow those advantage players to have unlimited bet size and they get have unlimited bet size and they get have unlimited bet size and they get that 1% really that's all it is counting that 1% really that's all it is counting that 1% really that's all it is counting cards gives you a 1% or so edge, you cards gives you a 1% or so edge, you cards gives you a 1% or so edge, you will eventually beat the house. It's the will eventually beat the house. It's the will eventually beat the house. It's the perfect game is that you can addict perfect game is that you can addict perfect game is that you can addict people. You can effectively legalize people. You can effectively legalize people. You can effectively legalize theft. And if you happen to, despite all theft. And if you happen to, despite all theft. And if you happen to, despite all of this, you're able to win money. They of this, you're able to win money. They of this, you're able to win money. They will simply ask you to not no longer will simply ask you to not no longer will simply ask you to not no longer play with them. Or if they don't ask you play with them. Or if they don't ask you play with them. Or if they don't ask you to no longer play with them, they will to no longer play with them, they will to no longer play with them, they will limit your bet size. So where previously limit your bet size. So where previously limit your bet size. So where previously you might have been able to put $1,000, you might have been able to put $1,000, you might have been able to put $1,000, $22,000, $3,000 on a game, they'll say, $22,000, $3,000 on a game, they'll say, $22,000, $3,000 on a game, they'll say, "Sir, you're only allowed to bet up to "Sir, you're only allowed to bet up to "Sir, you're only allowed to bet up to $3 uh on this on this game." It's an $3 uh on this on this game." It's an $3 uh on this on this game." It's an easy way. So you addict the losers and easy way. So you addict the losers and easy way. So you addict the losers and you look for the whales. See vast you look for the whales. See vast you look for the whales. See vast majority of the profit for these majority of the profit for these majority of the profit for these gambling companies comes from a very gambling companies comes from a very gambling companies comes from a very small group of users. Roughly 3 to 5% of small group of users. Roughly 3 to 5% of small group of users. Roughly 3 to 5% of the people make up almost 55 50% of the the people make up almost 55 50% of the the people make up almost 55 50% of the revenue. So these are absolute gambling revenue. So these are absolute gambling revenue. So these are absolute gambling addicts who by law shouldn't even be addicts who by law shouldn't even be addicts who by law shouldn't even be gambling in the first place. The winners gambling in the first place. The winners gambling in the first place. The winners if you're able to even win in this month

if you're able to even win in this month if you're able to even win in this month uh in this game they will ban you. In uh in this game they will ban you. In uh in this game they will ban you. In fact, their algorithms are so fact, their algorithms are so fact, their algorithms are so sophisticated that if you place the type sophisticated that if you place the type sophisticated that if you place the type of bets which look like a winner, a of bets which look like a winner, a of bets which look like a winner, a potential winner before you even win, potential winner before you even win, potential winner before you even win, they will limit your bet size. They will they will limit your bet size. They will they will limit your bet size. They will say, "We don't want your business or say, "We don't want your business or say, "We don't want your business or you're only capped to $10 down on a you're only capped to $10 down on a you're only capped to $10 down on a game." So, they've created a system game." So, they've created a system game." So, they've created a system where they can addict young men. They where they can addict young men. They where they can addict young men. They can find the potential whales out there, can find the potential whales out there, can find the potential whales out there, those 3% who are just full-blown those 3% who are just full-blown those 3% who are just full-blown addicts. They can shower them with addicts. They can shower them with addicts. They can shower them with gifts. They call them incessantly. Hey, gifts. They call them incessantly. Hey, gifts. They call them incessantly. Hey, where have you been? Haven't heard from where have you been? Haven't heard from where have you been? Haven't heard from you. Do you want tickets to the next you. Do you want tickets to the next you. Do you want tickets to the next Patriots game? Do you want free whiskey? Patriots game? Do you want free whiskey? Patriots game? Do you want free whiskey? Uh, let me fly you out on a private jet Uh, let me fly you out on a private jet Uh, let me fly you out on a private jet from here to here. They shower them with from here to here. They shower them with from here to here. They shower them with more benefits than you can even believe. more benefits than you can even believe. more benefits than you can even believe. Now, they think it's for free, but Now, they think it's for free, but Now, they think it's for free, but they're paying for it obviously with they're paying for it obviously with they're paying for it obviously with their losses. They do all of this while their losses. They do all of this while their losses. They do all of this while if you're actually a winner, they'll ban if you're actually a winner, they'll ban if you're actually a winner, they'll ban you. [snorts] And so, for the casual you. [snorts] And so, for the casual you. [snorts] And so, for the casual better who is doing three to five to 8%, better who is doing three to five to 8%, better who is doing three to five to 8%, I just want those people to or $8. I I just want those people to or $8. I I just want those people to or $8. I want those people to know that is only want those people to know that is only want those people to know that is only enabled by these people getting crushed enabled by these people getting crushed enabled by these people getting crushed by gambling addiction, throwing their by gambling addiction, throwing their by gambling addiction, throwing their futures away, their lives, their futures away, their lives, their futures away, their lives, their marriages.

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800685-55696 800685-55696 or visit americanfinancing.net/tucker. or visit americanfinancing.net/tucker. or visit americanfinancing.net/tucker. I covered the case of a guy, his wife, I I covered the case of a guy, his wife, I I covered the case of a guy, his wife, I think, sued DraftKings. So, he had never think, sued DraftKings. So, he had never think, sued DraftKings. So, he had never placed a bet before 2020. He ended up placed a bet before 2020. He ended up placed a bet before 2020. He ended up gambling after a few years. Every dollar gambling after a few years. Every dollar gambling after a few years. Every dollar that he had, every single dollar, he that he had, every single dollar, he that he had, every single dollar, he bankrupted his children's 401 529 plans, bankrupted his children's 401 529 plans, bankrupted his children's 401 529 plans, his 401k, took out multiple mortgages on his 401k, took out multiple mortgages on his 401k, took out multiple mortgages on his house. The entire time he was being his house. The entire time he was being his house. The entire time he was being called and encouraged to gamble by called and encouraged to gamble by called and encouraged to gamble by DraftKings, his host, casino host, uh, DraftKings, his host, casino host, uh, DraftKings, his host, casino host, uh, who would ask him, "Hey, where where who would ask him, "Hey, where where who would ask him, "Hey, where where have you been this week? Hey, I've got a have you been this week? Hey, I've got a have you been this week? Hey, I've got a good game for you. This is exactly the good game for you. This is exactly the good game for you. This is exactly the type of thing you would like to do. type of thing you would like to do. type of thing you would like to do. Here's some free whiskey. Here's some Here's some free whiskey. Here's some Here's some free whiskey. Here's some free anything, right? You know, free free anything, right? You know, free free anything, right? You know, free like concert tickets, those types of like concert tickets, those types of like concert tickets, those types of things. They're they're encouraging him things. They're they're encouraging him things. They're they're encouraging him despite him showing despite him showing despite him showing obvious symptoms of gambling addiction. obvious symptoms of gambling addiction. obvious symptoms of gambling addiction. And by their own rules, they're supposed And by their own rules, they're supposed And by their own rules, they're supposed to tell him not to do it. But of course, to tell him not to do it. But of course, to tell him not to do it. But of course, they don't. And in some cases, not just they don't. And in some cases, not just they don't. And in some cases, not just this case, there have been other cases this case, there have been other cases this case, there have been other cases where they say, "Don't put this in text where they say, "Don't put this in text where they say, "Don't put this in text or they're going to come after me. Make or they're going to come after me. Make or they're going to come after me. Make sure just talk to me on the phone if sure just talk to me on the phone if sure just talk to me on the phone if you're having a problem." Again, this is you're having a problem." Again, this is you're having a problem." Again, this is scum of the earth type of behavior to scum of the earth type of behavior to scum of the earth type of behavior to even participate in this. But this is even participate in this. But this is even participate in this. But this is what's been enabled by these laws. This what's been enabled by these laws. This what's been enabled by these laws. This is sweeping the nation. The largest is sweeping the nation. The largest is sweeping the nation. The largest gambling.

gambling. gambling. >> So, what happened to the guy? >> So, what happened to the guy? >> So, what happened to the guy? >> Oh, he went absolutely bust and his wife >> Oh, he went absolutely bust and his wife >> Oh, he went absolutely bust and his wife is is is >> DraftKings. I actually had uh they have >> DraftKings. I actually had uh they have >> DraftKings. I actually had uh they have they're a publicly traded company, so they're a publicly traded company, so they're a publicly traded company, so it's you know, Fortune 500. it's you know, Fortune 500. it's you know, Fortune 500. >> Is Portoi involved in any of this? I >> Is Portoi involved in any of this? I >> Is Portoi involved in any of this? I which well I don't know if he owns which well I don't know if he owns which well I don't know if he owns DraftKings but I know that Bar stool has DraftKings but I know that Bar stool has DraftKings but I know that Bar stool has a affiliation with DraftKings. I think a affiliation with DraftKings. I think a affiliation with DraftKings. I think that they have a partnership between the that they have a partnership between the that they have a partnership between the two of them two of them two of them >> and ESPN does too. Promotes >> and ESPN does too. Promotes >> and ESPN does too. Promotes >> ESPN well it's a complicated case. They >> ESPN well it's a complicated case. They >> ESPN well it's a complicated case. They had their own bet, their own actual like had their own bet, their own actual like had their own bet, their own actual like casino called ESPN Bet, which is ironic casino called ESPN Bet, which is ironic casino called ESPN Bet, which is ironic because it's a media organization with because it's a media organization with because it's a media organization with ESPN Bet that was down literally on the ESPN Bet that was down literally on the ESPN Bet that was down literally on the Chiron encouraging people to I think now Chiron encouraging people to I think now Chiron encouraging people to I think now they just have an exclusive partnership they just have an exclusive partnership they just have an exclusive partnership I believe with Pen Gaming, which is a I believe with Pen Gaming, which is a I believe with Pen Gaming, which is a large casino conglomerate which large casino conglomerate which large casino conglomerate which previously owned Bartool Sports. previously owned Bartool Sports. previously owned Bartool Sports. >> Oh, it's also disgusting. >> Oh, it's also disgusting. >> Oh, it's also disgusting. >> It's horrible. >> It's horrible. >> It's horrible. >> So why is this allowed? Yeah, >> So why is this allowed? Yeah, >> So why is this allowed? Yeah, >> I thought the promise of this >> I thought the promise of this >> I thought the promise of this administration was the country was going administration was the country was going administration was the country was going to produce things like New Jersey was to produce things like New Jersey was to produce things like New Jersey was once a rich state because they made a once a rich state because they made a once a rich state because they made a lot of stuff in New Jersey, lot of stuff in New Jersey, lot of stuff in New Jersey, >> pharmaceutical soup, you know, like >> pharmaceutical soup, you know, like >> pharmaceutical soup, you know, like tangible tangible tangible >> Trenton makes the world takes.

>> Trenton makes the world takes. >> Trenton makes the world takes. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> thank you. Exactly. I think that sign's >> thank you. Exactly. I think that sign's >> thank you. Exactly. I think that sign's still there. It's still there. still there. It's still there. still there. It's still there. >> But it's not true. So the idea that >> But it's not true. So the idea that >> But it's not true. So the idea that you're going to fix the state budget you're going to fix the state budget you're going to fix the state budget hole by just treating your population hole by just treating your population hole by just treating your population like livestock, that's not really the like livestock, that's not really the like livestock, that's not really the answer we were promised, right? answer we were promised, right? answer we were promised, right? >> Is it? >> Is it? >> Is it? >> No, it's certainly not. And this >> No, it's certainly not. And this >> No, it's certainly not. And this administration is the most pro- vice administration is the most pro- vice administration is the most pro- vice administration in modern American administration in modern American administration in modern American history. So really this administration history. So really this administration history. So really this administration CFTC the commodity future trading CFTC the commodity future trading CFTC the commodity future trading commission has taken a very different commission has taken a very different commission has taken a very different line from the Biden administration. They line from the Biden administration. They line from the Biden administration. They not only are uh reversed many of the not only are uh reversed many of the not only are uh reversed many of the rulings against the cowies and the poly rulings against the cowies and the poly rulings against the cowies and the poly markets they not only enable them just markets they not only enable them just markets they not only enable them just to do what they do which is worse but to do what they do which is worse but to do what they do which is worse but there's gradations of worse. They go to there's gradations of worse. They go to there's gradations of worse. They go to extraordinary lengths to defend them in extraordinary lengths to defend them in extraordinary lengths to defend them in court. Recently there was a case uh court. Recently there was a case uh court. Recently there was a case uh let's take New York state. So New York let's take New York state. So New York let's take New York state. So New York State Kathy Hokll the governor she sued State Kathy Hokll the governor she sued State Kathy Hokll the governor she sued or her in the attorney general went or her in the attorney general went or her in the attorney general went after Khi because Khi they said was after Khi because Khi they said was after Khi because Khi they said was illegally operating as a prediction illegally operating as a prediction illegally operating as a prediction market as a gambling house in their market as a gambling house in their market as a gambling house in their state. The argument that they had was state. The argument that they had was state. The argument that they had was look there's federalism. We are a state.

look there's federalism. We are a state. look there's federalism. We are a state. We have the right to regulate sports We have the right to regulate sports We have the right to regulate sports books in the way that we see fit. And by books in the way that we see fit. And by books in the way that we see fit. And by doing that we charge I believe it's a doing that we charge I believe it's a doing that we charge I believe it's a 20% excise tax on the amount of trades 20% excise tax on the amount of trades 20% excise tax on the amount of trades or revenue or something like that or revenue or something like that or revenue or something like that generated within the state. Khi generated within the state. Khi generated within the state. Khi obviously argued against them although I obviously argued against them although I obviously argued against them although I will say in negotiations previously they will say in negotiations previously they will say in negotiations previously they had come to them and had acknowledged had come to them and had acknowledged had come to them and had acknowledged some level of regulatory authority. They some level of regulatory authority. They some level of regulatory authority. They said why don't we pay you 6% the way said why don't we pay you 6% the way said why don't we pay you 6% the way that we do in North Carolina. New York that we do in North Carolina. New York that we do in North Carolina. New York State rejected that. So we don't do State rejected that. So we don't do State rejected that. So we don't do carveouts. We believe you're a gambling carveouts. We believe you're a gambling carveouts. We believe you're a gambling company. You need to abide by our company. You need to abide by our company. You need to abide by our gambling laws. The CFTC under Donald gambling laws. The CFTC under Donald gambling laws. The CFTC under Donald Trump issued emergency authority, an Trump issued emergency authority, an Trump issued emergency authority, an emer an emergency release ordering and emer an emergency release ordering and emer an emergency release ordering and telling Khi to please continue operating telling Khi to please continue operating telling Khi to please continue operating because they have absolute authority as because they have absolute authority as because they have absolute authority as the federal government over the the federal government over the the federal government over the regulation of these prediction markets. regulation of these prediction markets. regulation of these prediction markets. >> Wait, so the Trump administration >> Wait, so the Trump administration >> Wait, so the Trump administration described it as an emergency people described it as an emergency people described it as an emergency people wouldn't be able to bet enough online? wouldn't be able to bet enough online? wouldn't be able to bet enough online? >> Yes, that's right. Effectively, that's >> Yes, that's right. Effectively, that's >> Yes, that's right. Effectively, that's Right. I mean, Kelsey would tell you Right. I mean, Kelsey would tell you Right. I mean, Kelsey would tell you that they're trading uh that are there that they're trading uh that are there that they're trading uh that are there online, but I mean, in in my or your online, but I mean, in in my or your online, but I mean, in in my or your estimation, yeah, it's gambling. And so, estimation, yeah, it's gambling. And so, estimation, yeah, it's gambling. And so, the Trump administration has their CFTC the Trump administration has their CFTC the Trump administration has their CFTC commissioner uh Mike Celig routinely commissioner uh Mike Celig routinely commissioner uh Mike Celig routinely goes and delivers on video press goes and delivers on video press goes and delivers on video press conferences, many with crypto magnates conferences, many with crypto magnates conferences, many with crypto magnates and others. Recently, there was one with and others. Recently, there was one with and others. Recently, there was one with Donald Trump, Mike Celich, and one of Donald Trump, Mike Celich, and one of Donald Trump, Mike Celich, and one of the Winklvi twins behind him who himself the Winklvi twins behind him who himself the Winklvi twins behind him who himself is a Bitcoiner with Gemini where they're is a Bitcoiner with Gemini where they're is a Bitcoiner with Gemini where they're giving press conferences and extolling giving press conferences and extolling giving press conferences and extolling the virtues of prediction markets. I the virtues of prediction markets. I the virtues of prediction markets. I mean, Trump's own son uh is either on

mean, Trump's own son uh is either on mean, Trump's own son uh is either on the board or was an adviser with both the board or was an adviser with both the board or was an adviser with both Khi and with Poly Market. You have a Khi and with Poly Market. You have a Khi and with Poly Market. You have a situation now where Khi and Polymart situation now where Khi and Polymart situation now where Khi and Polymart Kali specifically because their Kali specifically because their Kali specifically because their regulatory approach is to try and regulatory approach is to try and regulatory approach is to try and capture not capture but work extensively capture not capture but work extensively capture not capture but work extensively with the federal government to ensure with the federal government to ensure with the federal government to ensure that they're totally legalized. The CFTC that they're totally legalized. The CFTC that they're totally legalized. The CFTC commissioner has issued multiple commissioner has issued multiple commissioner has issued multiple guidances and even written briefs on guidances and even written briefs on guidances and even written briefs on their behalf in many other state courts their behalf in many other state courts their behalf in many other state courts and places where they're being sued and places where they're being sued and places where they're being sued because many state attorney generals and because many state attorney generals and because many state attorney generals and other believe that they are illegally other believe that they are illegally other believe that they are illegally operating as a gambling house. So that's operating as a gambling house. So that's operating as a gambling house. So that's Trump on gambling. There's there's no Trump on gambling. There's there's no Trump on gambling. There's there's no question he has made gambling more question he has made gambling more question he has made gambling more prevalent in the United States than any prevalent in the United States than any prevalent in the United States than any previous president just because of the previous president just because of the previous president just because of the way prediction markets work. And in way prediction markets work. And in way prediction markets work. And in fact, I mean, in my opinion, running fact, I mean, in my opinion, running fact, I mean, in my opinion, running rough shot over federalism, California rough shot over federalism, California rough shot over federalism, California and Texas, bless him, they did not have and Texas, bless him, they did not have and Texas, bless him, they did not have legal gambling before this. But now, legal gambling before this. But now, legal gambling before this. But now, because Trump as the president and of because Trump as the president and of because Trump as the president and of the federal government is protecting the federal government is protecting the federal government is protecting these prediction market companies, we these prediction market companies, we these prediction market companies, we now have legalized gambling in all 50 now have legalized gambling in all 50 now have legalized gambling in all 50 states. And in fact, as I know, both states. And in fact, as I know, both states. And in fact, as I know, both Kalyian and Poly Market now, they would Kalyian and Poly Market now, they would Kalyian and Poly Market now, they would not want legalized DraftKings or FanDuel not want legalized DraftKings or FanDuel not want legalized DraftKings or FanDuel in those states. So they could be the in those states. So they could be the in those states. So they could be the only option for potential people who only option for potential people who only option for potential people who want to put action. So in California, it want to put action. So in California, it want to put action. So in California, it was the Indian tribal casinos that was the Indian tribal casinos that was the Indian tribal casinos that didn't want nationwide or statewide didn't want nationwide or statewide didn't want nationwide or statewide gambling. And they successfully defeated gambling. And they successfully defeated gambling. And they successfully defeated it at a statewide uh at a statewide it at a statewide uh at a statewide it at a statewide uh at a statewide ballot initiative. In Texas ballot initiative. In Texas ballot initiative. In Texas >> to preserve their own monopoly, >> to preserve their own monopoly, >> to preserve their own monopoly, >> right? To preserve their own monopoly.

>> right? To preserve their own monopoly. >> right? To preserve their own monopoly. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I'm not saying it's a good thing, but they they still they want Look, the they they still they want Look, the they they still they want Look, the voters there decided not to leave us. voters there decided not to leave us. voters there decided not to leave us. >> But you're not describing any organized >> But you're not describing any organized >> But you're not describing any organized force acting on behalf of the public. force acting on behalf of the public. force acting on behalf of the public. >> No, there's there there's maybe the >> No, there's there there's maybe the >> No, there's there there's maybe the evangelicals in Texas. They're the evangelicals in Texas. They're the evangelicals in Texas. They're the they're the only reason that they we they're the only reason that they we they're the only reason that they we didn't have uh statewide betting from my didn't have uh statewide betting from my didn't have uh statewide betting from my own home state. Not that uh Miss Aden own home state. Not that uh Miss Aden own home state. Not that uh Miss Aden isn't working overtime to make sure that isn't working overtime to make sure that isn't working overtime to make sure that that's uh that's been repealed. I mean, that's uh that's been repealed. I mean, that's uh that's been repealed. I mean, one of the reasons she bought the Dallas one of the reasons she bought the Dallas one of the reasons she bought the Dallas Mavericks and their whole, you know, Mavericks and their whole, you know, Mavericks and their whole, you know, vision for that, as I understand it, was vision for that, as I understand it, was vision for that, as I understand it, was to create kind of this super to create kind of this super to create kind of this super entertainment gambling complex. Mark entertainment gambling complex. Mark entertainment gambling complex. Mark Cuban himself even said that before he Cuban himself even said that before he Cuban himself even said that before he sold it to her, that the valuation of sold it to her, that the valuation of sold it to her, that the valuation of his franchise doubled because of his franchise doubled because of his franchise doubled because of legalized gambling. So, I don't think it legalized gambling. So, I don't think it legalized gambling. So, I don't think it takes a genius to see that was part of takes a genius to see that was part of takes a genius to see that was part of the long-term Aden plan for my home the long-term Aden plan for my home the long-term Aden plan for my home state of Texas to legalize gambling and state of Texas to legalize gambling and state of Texas to legalize gambling and to try and to make it part of the fabric to try and to make it part of the fabric to try and to make it part of the fabric of the state, which to their credit was of the state, which to their credit was of the state, which to their credit was one of the last actually willing to one of the last actually willing to one of the last actually willing to stand up with a substantial population. stand up with a substantial population. stand up with a substantial population. However, of course, Trump has now made However, of course, Trump has now made However, of course, Trump has now made prediction markets uh legalized in the prediction markets uh legalized in the prediction markets uh legalized in the nation. Let's talk about marijuana. So, nation. Let's talk about marijuana. So, nation. Let's talk about marijuana. So, Trump rescheduled marijuana. He did so Trump rescheduled marijuana. He did so Trump rescheduled marijuana. He did so not after any rigorous review. He did so not after any rigorous review. He did so not after any rigorous review. He did so at the behest of marijuana companies at the behest of marijuana companies at the behest of marijuana companies where schedule one status by the federal where schedule one status by the federal where schedule one status by the federal government was prohibiting their ability government was prohibiting their ability government was prohibiting their ability to use the legalized banking system.

to use the legalized banking system. to use the legalized banking system. That was it. There were huge donors uh That was it. There were huge donors uh That was it. There were huge donors uh in Mara Lago and in Florida as I in Mara Lago and in Florida as I in Mara Lago and in Florida as I understand it who were constantly understand it who were constantly understand it who were constantly complaining to him about their inability complaining to him about their inability complaining to him about their inability to cuz right and and in these states to cuz right and and in these states to cuz right and and in these states where there was legalized weed, cannabis where there was legalized weed, cannabis where there was legalized weed, cannabis as they call it, uh they would take as they call it, uh they would take as they call it, uh they would take these vast amounts of cash and they had these vast amounts of cash and they had these vast amounts of cash and they had problems on their hands. many banks problems on their hands. many banks problems on their hands. many banks would not touch the money because the would not touch the money because the would not touch the money because the federal government could technically uh federal government could technically uh federal government could technically uh schedule one and they saw it was schedule one and they saw it was schedule one and they saw it was illegal. So there was an entire side illegal. So there was an entire side illegal. So there was an entire side banking arrangement that was conducted banking arrangement that was conducted banking arrangement that was conducted in currency in currency in currency >> conducted in hard cash for a lot of >> conducted in hard cash for a lot of >> conducted in hard cash for a lot of these they were having to hire armored these they were having to hire armored these they were having to hire armored guards. It was causing them all kinds of guards. It was causing them all kinds of guards. It was causing them all kinds of problems. They heavily lobbyed the problems. They heavily lobbyed the problems. They heavily lobbyed the administration to reschedule specific administration to reschedule specific administration to reschedule specific not for the reasons that Trump came out not for the reasons that Trump came out not for the reasons that Trump came out and said for studying. We've had plenty and said for studying. We've had plenty and said for studying. We've had plenty of studies on marijuana, specifically of studies on marijuana, specifically of studies on marijuana, specifically medical marijuana. All of them are medical marijuana. All of them are medical marijuana. All of them are absolutely saves lives. No, it's it's absolutely saves lives. No, it's it's absolutely saves lives. No, it's it's complete nonsense. Uh there is not one complete nonsense. Uh there is not one complete nonsense. Uh there is not one claim for medical marijuana that's held claim for medical marijuana that's held claim for medical marijuana that's held up in scrutiny. You can read that in the up in scrutiny. You can read that in the up in scrutiny. You can read that in the New York Times and from some of the most New York Times and from some of the most New York Times and from some of the most prominent health journals in the United prominent health journals in the United prominent health journals in the United States. But nonetheless, they claim we States. But nonetheless, they claim we States. But nonetheless, they claim we need more research. That was the need more research. That was the need more research. That was the justification. That's not the justification. That's not the justification. That's not the justification. The justification justification. The justification justification. The justification specifically had to do with allowing specifically had to do with allowing specifically had to do with allowing these companies to have more access to these companies to have more access to these companies to have more access to the legitimate banking system. And so the legitimate banking system. And so the legitimate banking system. And so the venture capitalists and the stocks, the venture capitalists and the stocks, the venture capitalists and the stocks, remember I told you earlier about that remember I told you earlier about that remember I told you earlier about that story about how I could have made money.

story about how I could have made money. story about how I could have made money. There's an entire ETF and others that There's an entire ETF and others that There's an entire ETF and others that track marijuana companies which exploded track marijuana companies which exploded track marijuana companies which exploded post val uh post rescheduling. So that post val uh post rescheduling. So that post val uh post rescheduling. So that tells you the story and it made people tells you the story and it made people tells you the story and it made people very very wealthy who are very connected very very wealthy who are very connected very very wealthy who are very connected to Donald Trump. We're into gold. We've to Donald Trump. We're into gold. We've to Donald Trump. We're into gold. We've been into gold for a long time. That been into gold for a long time. That been into gold for a long time. That turned out to be pretty smart. Not to turned out to be pretty smart. Not to turned out to be pretty smart. Not to brag or anything. We've told you a lot brag or anything. We've told you a lot brag or anything. We've told you a lot about gold. How it's outperformed the about gold. How it's outperformed the about gold. How it's outperformed the S&P 500 over the past 25 years. That's S&P 500 over the past 25 years. That's S&P 500 over the past 25 years. That's true. How the central banks around the true. How the central banks around the true. How the central banks around the world have been buying it at record world have been buying it at record world have been buying it at record levels as they diversify [music] levels as they diversify [music] levels as they diversify [music] away from US debt. That's all true. But away from US debt. That's all true. But away from US debt. That's all true. But there's another reason to consider there's another reason to consider there's another reason to consider buying physical gold, actual gold. And buying physical gold, actual gold. And buying physical gold, actual gold. And that reason, of course, is privacy. Your that reason, of course, is privacy. Your that reason, of course, is privacy. Your bank and credit card company record bank and credit card company record bank and credit card company record every transaction. every transaction. every transaction. Cryptocurrency, whatever its benefits, Cryptocurrency, whatever its benefits, Cryptocurrency, whatever its benefits, leaves a permanent public record. It's leaves a permanent public record. It's leaves a permanent public record. It's on the ledger. There are stories about on the ledger. There are stories about on the ledger. There are stories about how government tracks cash, literally how government tracks cash, literally how government tracks cash, literally cash, because remember when they cash, because remember when they cash, because remember when they switched to the new bills, well, they're switched to the new bills, well, they're switched to the new bills, well, they're trackable.

trackable. trackable. So, gold is probably the only store of So, gold is probably the only store of So, gold is probably the only store of value that can even conceivably remain value that can even conceivably remain value that can even conceivably remain private. It's outside the system built private. It's outside the system built private. It's outside the system built to monitor and control you. And that's to monitor and control you. And that's to monitor and control you. And that's one of the reasons that we founded one of the reasons that we founded one of the reasons that we founded Battalion to help Americans reclaim Battalion to help Americans reclaim Battalion to help Americans reclaim sovereignty and privacy, which is to say sovereignty and privacy, which is to say sovereignty and privacy, which is to say reclaim freedom by making it simple and reclaim freedom by making it simple and reclaim freedom by making it simple and secure and accessible to own physical secure and accessible to own physical secure and accessible to own physical gold. gold. gold. So with all the drama around the world So with all the drama around the world So with all the drama around the world and all of that drama affects the and all of that drama affects the and all of that drama affects the strength of the US dollar, which is strength of the US dollar, which is strength of the US dollar, which is getting weaker, gold help protects your getting weaker, gold help protects your getting weaker, gold help protects your savings and the surveillance state of savings and the surveillance state of savings and the surveillance state of course getting stronger every day. course getting stronger every day. course getting stronger every day. That's what the data centers are about. That's what the data centers are about. That's what the data centers are about. probably like a little bit of privacy. probably like a little bit of privacy. probably like a little bit of privacy. Gold gives you privacy. It can't be Gold gives you privacy. It can't be Gold gives you privacy. It can't be tracked. tracked. tracked. >> Explore our collection at battalion >> Explore our collection at battalion >> Explore our collection at battalion metals.com/tucker. metals.com/tucker. metals.com/tucker. >> Did it leave the country at all? >> Did it leave the country at all? >> Did it leave the country at all? >> You can ask. I'm in this state. I'm >> You can ask. I'm in this state. I'm >> You can ask. I'm in this state. I'm shocked the amount of cannabis stores shocked the amount of cannabis stores shocked the amount of cannabis stores everywhere. It downtown Portland. everywhere. It downtown Portland. everywhere. It downtown Portland. Cannabis everywhere. You smell it Cannabis everywhere. You smell it Cannabis everywhere. You smell it everywhere. You'll be in the rural parts everywhere. You'll be in the rural parts everywhere. You'll be in the rural parts of this state. We're here in Maine. I of this state. We're here in Maine. I of this state. We're here in Maine. I see a brand new cannabis dispensary next see a brand new cannabis dispensary next see a brand new cannabis dispensary next to a rotting home. So, you can tell me to a rotting home. So, you can tell me to a rotting home. So, you can tell me whether you think that's been an whether you think that's been an whether you think that's been an improvement. It's lowered IQ. Talks improvement. It's lowered IQ. Talks improvement. It's lowered IQ. Talks about young men. The number of people about young men. The number of people about young men. The number of people who drive while they're under the who drive while they're under the who drive while they're under the influence of marijuana skyrocketed.

influence of marijuana skyrocketed. influence of marijuana skyrocketed. >> Lower testosterone increases the >> Lower testosterone increases the >> Lower testosterone increases the schizophrenia rate. It's been a true schizophrenia rate. It's been a true schizophrenia rate. It's been a true disaster. disaster. disaster. >> It has been a It has probably been one >> It has been a It has probably been one >> It has been a It has probably been one aside from gambling the single most aside from gambling the single most aside from gambling the single most biggest disasters to hit our population. biggest disasters to hit our population. biggest disasters to hit our population. Oh, and by the way, daily marijuana use Oh, and by the way, daily marijuana use Oh, and by the way, daily marijuana use now outnumbers daily alcohol use. It's now outnumbers daily alcohol use. It's now outnumbers daily alcohol use. It's not that alcohol is good, but now you're not that alcohol is good, but now you're not that alcohol is good, but now you're using a force which massively increases using a force which massively increases using a force which massively increases the amount of people who go the amount of people who go the amount of people who go schizophrenic, mental illness, uh schizophrenic, mental illness, uh schizophrenic, mental illness, uh testosterone, pregnant women use is testosterone, pregnant women use is testosterone, pregnant women use is dramatically up because a lot of these dramatically up because a lot of these dramatically up because a lot of these false health claims that people make. false health claims that people make. false health claims that people make. Doctors have not caught up. There's Doctors have not caught up. There's Doctors have not caught up. There's actually a a teenage specific affliction actually a a teenage specific affliction actually a a teenage specific affliction where if they smoke too much high where if they smoke too much high where if they smoke too much high potency marijuana, they end up vomiting potency marijuana, they end up vomiting potency marijuana, they end up vomiting for days and it gets stored in their fat for days and it gets stored in their fat for days and it gets stored in their fat cells. They literally had to create an cells. They literally had to create an cells. They literally had to create an entire new term for that type of entire new term for that type of entire new term for that type of affliction because it's spread across affliction because it's spread across affliction because it's spread across ERS. Ask any ER doctor in America. ERS. Ask any ER doctor in America. ERS. Ask any ER doctor in America. They'll know exactly what I'm talking They'll know exactly what I'm talking They'll know exactly what I'm talking about. So, Trump has been a boon to the about. So, Trump has been a boon to the about. So, Trump has been a boon to the marijuana industry. But pornography marijuana industry. But pornography marijuana industry. But pornography doesn't get covered nearly as much as doesn't get covered nearly as much as doesn't get covered nearly as much as well. And in my opinion, pornography. well. And in my opinion, pornography. well. And in my opinion, pornography. Yeah. And so, I I talked to you about Yeah. And so, I I talked to you about Yeah. And so, I I talked to you about this a little bit before the Treasury this a little bit before the Treasury this a little bit before the Treasury Department. So, conservatives were Department. So, conservatives were Department. So, conservatives were rightfully very upset about debanking rightfully very upset about debanking rightfully very upset about debanking under the Biden administration or under the Biden administration or under the Biden administration or debanking concerns broadly debanking concerns broadly debanking concerns broadly >> for ideological reasons. for ideological >> for ideological reasons. for ideological >> for ideological reasons. for ideological reasons which is fair and nobody should reasons which is fair and nobody should reasons which is fair and nobody should lose their bank account. The Treasury lose their bank account. The Treasury lose their bank account. The Treasury Department issued a report on debanking Department issued a report on debanking Department issued a report on debanking in which they specifically said banks in which they specifically said banks in which they specifically said banks should not discriminate against these should not discriminate against these should not discriminate against these vice industries. And one of them that vice industries. And one of them that vice industries. And one of them that they named was pornography. And so the they named was pornography. And so the they named was pornography. And so the Trump administration issued a guidance Trump administration issued a guidance Trump administration issued a guidance to the nation's banks that they should to the nation's banks that they should to the nation's banks that they should do their best to facilitate banking for

do their best to facilitate banking for do their best to facilitate banking for pornography companies and for other pornography companies and for other pornography companies and for other women let's say in only fans and others women let's say in only fans and others women let's say in only fans and others who previously had had trouble getting who previously had had trouble getting who previously had had trouble getting access to the legitimate banking system. access to the legitimate banking system. access to the legitimate banking system. Now why you might ask do you think Now why you might ask do you think Now why you might ask do you think >> Wait a second. So when people voted for >> Wait a second. So when people voted for >> Wait a second. So when people voted for Trump in the hope that he would end Trump in the hope that he would end Trump in the hope that he would end debanking they probably weren't thinking debanking they probably weren't thinking debanking they probably weren't thinking I hope only fans can find a more I hope only fans can find a more I hope only fans can find a more efficient way to transfer its funds. efficient way to transfer its funds. efficient way to transfer its funds. >> Exactly right. And that's what's >> Exactly right. And that's what's >> Exactly right. And that's what's happened. Uh, and we've seen that now. happened. Uh, and we've seen that now. happened. Uh, and we've seen that now. >> So, it's sort of like you vote for Trump >> So, it's sort of like you vote for Trump >> So, it's sort of like you vote for Trump to do something about immigration, but to do something about immigration, but to do something about immigration, but the only people who get deported are the only people who get deported are the only people who get deported are those who criticize Netanyahu, those who criticize Netanyahu, those who criticize Netanyahu, >> right? Yeah. It's it's interesting kind >> right? Yeah. It's it's interesting kind >> right? Yeah. It's it's interesting kind of how they subverted the idea. of how they subverted the idea. of how they subverted the idea. >> Subverted the idea. By the way, you want >> Subverted the idea. By the way, you want >> Subverted the idea. By the way, you want to know who's buying Only Fans? Uh, you to know who's buying Only Fans? Uh, you to know who's buying Only Fans? Uh, you can look into this is that the people can look into this is that the people can look into this is that the people who are buying a majority stake in Only who are buying a majority stake in Only who are buying a majority stake in Only Fans, which was run by a Ukrainian Fans, which was run by a Ukrainian Fans, which was run by a Ukrainian billionaire who we knew nothing about, billionaire who we knew nothing about, billionaire who we knew nothing about, turned out to be a major Apacon owner, turned out to be a major Apacon owner, turned out to be a major Apacon owner, by the way, in his life. He recently by the way, in his life. He recently by the way, in his life. He recently died uh in Florida. Well, it turns out died uh in Florida. Well, it turns out died uh in Florida. Well, it turns out that he's selling to a Silicon Valley that he's selling to a Silicon Valley that he's selling to a Silicon Valley operation, which I didn't know a ton operation, which I didn't know a ton operation, which I didn't know a ton about, but one of the co-founders there about, but one of the co-founders there about, but one of the co-founders there was part of the tech team on Clear View was part of the tech team on Clear View was part of the tech team on Clear View AI, which is the facial recognition AI, which is the facial recognition AI, which is the facial recognition software. And so now a majority stake in software. And so now a majority stake in software. And so now a majority stake in Only Fans is being acquired by somebody Only Fans is being acquired by somebody Only Fans is being acquired by somebody who previously worked over at Clear View who previously worked over at Clear View who previously worked over at Clear View AI, which is facial recognition AI, which is facial recognition AI, which is facial recognition software, which is used by the federal software, which is used by the federal software, which is used by the federal government and by a lot of other government and by a lot of other government and by a lot of other >> Why would you allow Only Fans in your >> Why would you allow Only Fans in your >> Why would you allow Only Fans in your country?

country? country? >> Yeah, that's a great question. But why >> Yeah, that's a great question. But why >> Yeah, that's a great question. But why not just arrest arrest the owners? not just arrest arrest the owners? not just arrest arrest the owners? >> Arrest the owners. Um and and and you >> Arrest the owners. Um and and and you >> Arrest the owners. Um and and and you know, I try to I try not to even take know, I try to I try not to even take know, I try to I try not to even take the maximalist position cuz I see how the maximalist position cuz I see how the maximalist position cuz I see how far gone we are here. Can we at least far gone we are here. Can we at least far gone we are here. Can we at least say let's enforce our human trafficking say let's enforce our human trafficking say let's enforce our human trafficking laws in this country because that's why laws in this country because that's why laws in this country because that's why the banks didn't want anything to do the banks didn't want anything to do the banks didn't want anything to do with the pornography companies or Only with the pornography companies or Only with the pornography companies or Only Fans is because they were deeply afraid Fans is because they were deeply afraid Fans is because they were deeply afraid rightfully of the amount of human rightfully of the amount of human rightfully of the amount of human trafficking and exploitation that trafficking and exploitation that trafficking and exploitation that happens in the pornography industry. happens in the pornography industry. happens in the pornography industry. That is a bedrock to it. Everybody knows That is a bedrock to it. Everybody knows That is a bedrock to it. Everybody knows uh and I've listened and unfortunately uh and I've listened and unfortunately uh and I've listened and unfortunately heard the testimony of so many men and heard the testimony of so many men and heard the testimony of so many men and women who were involved in that women who were involved in that women who were involved in that industry. None of it none of it is from industry. None of it none of it is from industry. None of it none of it is from a place of entrepreneurialism or a place of entrepreneurialism or a place of entrepreneurialism or capitalism. Uh it's all deep from a capitalism. Uh it's all deep from a capitalism. Uh it's all deep from a place of exploitation of being used by place of exploitation of being used by place of exploitation of being used by these broader systems. And if anything, these broader systems. And if anything, these broader systems. And if anything, it is shocking to the conscience that a it is shocking to the conscience that a it is shocking to the conscience that a woman who's 18 or 19 who sees her only woman who's 18 or 19 who sees her only woman who's 18 or 19 who sees her only chance of being able to make money, buy chance of being able to make money, buy chance of being able to make money, buy a house, or achieve financial success is a house, or achieve financial success is a house, or achieve financial success is to sell nude images of herself to to sell nude images of herself to to sell nude images of herself to perverts online who are three, four, perverts online who are three, four, perverts online who are three, four, five times her age. That's something five times her age. That's something five times her age. That's something that the federal government, I think, in that the federal government, I think, in that the federal government, I think, in my opinion, should want at the very my opinion, should want at the very my opinion, should want at the very least to make sure they're not being least to make sure they're not being least to make sure they're not being human.

human. human. >> If some Ukrainian billionaire is turning >> If some Ukrainian billionaire is turning >> If some Ukrainian billionaire is turning our women into prostitutes, maybe we our women into prostitutes, maybe we our women into prostitutes, maybe we should do something about it. Isn't that should do something about it. Isn't that should do something about it. Isn't that why we have a military? That's exactly why we have a military? That's exactly why we have a military? That's exactly why we that's why we have a justice why we that's why we have a justice why we that's why we have a justice system. I mean and same when we we talk system. I mean and same when we we talk system. I mean and same when we we talk about the gam like how can you argue about the gam like how can you argue about the gam like how can you argue with a straight face that normalizing with a straight face that normalizing with a straight face that normalizing because even if we take Khi and poly because even if we take Khi and poly because even if we take Khi and poly market which are these again they're on market which are these again they're on market which are these again they're on wall these people are the darling of wall these people are the darling of wall these people are the darling of Wall Street everybody loves them in New Wall Street everybody loves them in New Wall Street everybody loves them in New York New York City uh they're offering York New York City uh they're offering York New York City uh they're offering all kinds of liquidity for trading on all kinds of liquidity for trading on all kinds of liquidity for trading on Federal Reserve on the Federal Reserve Federal Reserve on the Federal Reserve Federal Reserve on the Federal Reserve and whether they're going to hike rates and whether they're going to hike rates and whether they're going to hike rates on the futures of Bitcoin on all of on the futures of Bitcoin on all of on the futures of Bitcoin on all of these complicated derivatives which you these complicated derivatives which you these complicated derivatives which you and I will never understand until and I will never understand until and I will never understand until there's another financial crash. So there's another financial crash. So there's another financial crash. So they're the darlings of the hedge fund, they're the darlings of the hedge fund, they're the darlings of the hedge fund, the Wall Street, and all these other the Wall Street, and all these other the Wall Street, and all these other industries. But how could you say that industries. But how could you say that industries. But how could you say that when 80% of the volume is sports and when 80% of the volume is sports and when 80% of the volume is sports and most of it is people who are customers most of it is people who are customers most of it is people who are customers who by their own admission, 25% or so who by their own admission, 25% or so who by their own admission, 25% or so are the ones who are taking profit, how are the ones who are taking profit, how are the ones who are taking profit, how can you say that's a good thing? Why can you say that's a good thing? Why can you say that's a good thing? Why would you want to encourage the daily would you want to encourage the daily would you want to encourage the daily participation weekly even participation participation weekly even participation participation weekly even participation of placing wagers on events which were of placing wagers on events which were of placing wagers on events which were primarily primarily primarily were primarily known and wanted to be were primarily known and wanted to be were primarily known and wanted to be known as non-gambling entertainment.

known as non-gambling entertainment. known as non-gambling entertainment. >> Maybe because it's not so different from >> Maybe because it's not so different from >> Maybe because it's not so different from the equities markets. Yes, exactly. the equities markets. Yes, exactly. the equities markets. Yes, exactly. Maybe that's maybe the the red the red Maybe that's maybe the the red the red Maybe that's maybe the the red the red pill here is that it's like of course pill here is that it's like of course pill here is that it's like of course Wall Street loves them because Wall Wall Street loves them because Wall Wall Street loves them because Wall Street already does this. It's the same Street already does this. It's the same Street already does this. It's the same thing. And but you know to zoom out from thing. And but you know to zoom out from thing. And but you know to zoom out from that and and this is where I get that and and this is where I get that and and this is where I get frustrated because Koshi's argument frustrated because Koshi's argument frustrated because Koshi's argument wants to make the argument that uh if wants to make the argument that uh if wants to make the argument that uh if they were to say things are corrupt they they were to say things are corrupt they they were to say things are corrupt they would say the equities markets are just would say the equities markets are just would say the equities markets are just as corrupt. I would say yes but all as corrupt. I would say yes but all as corrupt. I would say yes but all right the average American can still right the average American can still right the average American can still largely uh make just put their money in largely uh make just put their money in largely uh make just put their money in the S&P 500 and get an 8 to 10% return the S&P 500 and get an 8 to 10% return the S&P 500 and get an 8 to 10% return over the long run. They're much better over the long run. They're much better over the long run. They're much better off doing that than they are trading on off doing that than they are trading on off doing that than they are trading on Cali. Oh, I forgot one thing with the Cali. Oh, I forgot one thing with the Cali. Oh, I forgot one thing with the Trump administration. They lowered the Trump administration. They lowered the Trump administration. They lowered the bar for day trading. So, previously bar for day trading. So, previously bar for day trading. So, previously there was a regulation that you needed there was a regulation that you needed there was a regulation that you needed to have $25,000 of liquidity to engage to have $25,000 of liquidity to engage to have $25,000 of liquidity to engage as a day trader and the Trump as a day trader and the Trump as a day trader and the Trump administration removed that. Uh, and so administration removed that. Uh, and so administration removed that. Uh, and so by removing that threshold, obviously by removing that threshold, obviously by removing that threshold, obviously it's supposedly sold as a populist move. it's supposedly sold as a populist move. it's supposedly sold as a populist move. It's like everybody should have the It's like everybody should have the It's like everybody should have the right to day trade. Over 80% day trade right to day trade. Over 80% day trade right to day trade. Over 80% day trade over 80% of people who day trade lose over 80% of people who day trade lose over 80% of people who day trade lose body. It's statistic. body. It's statistic. body. It's statistic. >> I wonder how many Fox News viewers I'll >> I wonder how many Fox News viewers I'll >> I wonder how many Fox News viewers I'll speak for myself. I campaigned for speak for myself. I campaigned for speak for myself. I campaigned for Trump. I didn't I didn't think Trump's Trump. I didn't I didn't think Trump's Trump. I didn't I didn't think Trump's election would result in more gambling, election would result in more gambling, election would result in more gambling, drugs, and pornography. That kind of drugs, and pornography. That kind of drugs, and pornography. That kind of wasn't on the menu that I remember.

wasn't on the menu that I remember. wasn't on the menu that I remember. >> It certainly was. It was on the donor >> It certainly was. It was on the donor >> It certainly was. It was on the donor menu, though. And every one of the menu, though. And every one of the menu, though. And every one of the donors um especially marijuana, I can donors um especially marijuana, I can donors um especially marijuana, I can link that directly back to Mara Lago and link that directly back to Mara Lago and link that directly back to Mara Lago and to Florida with the CFTC. It's largely to Florida with the CFTC. It's largely to Florida with the CFTC. It's largely venture capital and a lot of the other venture capital and a lot of the other venture capital and a lot of the other in uh and it's libertarians. I should be in uh and it's libertarians. I should be in uh and it's libertarians. I should be fair. There are a lot of libertarians fair. There are a lot of libertarians fair. There are a lot of libertarians and other things that support these on and other things that support these on and other things that support these on their face. The wisdom of crowds and how their face. The wisdom of crowds and how their face. The wisdom of crowds and how great they are at predicting uh various great they are at predicting uh various great they are at predicting uh various types of events. Isn't that lynching? types of events. Isn't that lynching? types of events. Isn't that lynching? [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Right. Exactly. Especially and and >> Right. Exactly. Especially and and >> Right. Exactly. Especially and and >> why don't they shut up at a certain >> why don't they shut up at a certain >> why don't they shut up at a certain point? Like that's just too stupid. I point? Like that's just too stupid. I point? Like that's just too stupid. I can't deal with it. can't deal with it. can't deal with it. >> It's foolish in the sense of what social >> It's foolish in the sense of what social >> It's foolish in the sense of what social utility again wisdom of the crap. utility again wisdom of the crap. utility again wisdom of the crap. >> What social utility do we have on >> What social utility do we have on >> What social utility do we have on gambling on everything? There is none. gambling on everything? There is none. gambling on everything? There is none. >> It would be funny to have, you know, >> It would be funny to have, you know, >> It would be funny to have, you know, there were all those horrifying pictures there were all those horrifying pictures there were all those horrifying pictures of lynching in the south. I And I know of lynching in the south. I And I know of lynching in the south. I And I know it was more complicated than the the it was more complicated than the the it was more complicated than the the images suggest, right? Some of the images suggest, right? Some of the images suggest, right? Some of the people really were rapists and I get it, people really were rapists and I get it, people really were rapists and I get it, >> but we still have to oppose lynching. >> but we still have to oppose lynching. >> but we still have to oppose lynching. Like you need a justice system, right? Like you need a justice system, right? Like you need a justice system, right? Okay. Okay. Okay. >> So, yeah. >> So, yeah. >> So, yeah. >> But these kind of wildeyed crazy people >> But these kind of wildeyed crazy people >> But these kind of wildeyed crazy people and the guy swinging from the tree and and the guy swinging from the tree and and the guy swinging from the tree and then underneath it says the wisdom of then underneath it says the wisdom of then underneath it says the wisdom of crows. crows. crows. >> Wisdom of crows. Right. Or the bolevik >> Wisdom of crows. Right. Or the bolevik >> Wisdom of crows. Right. Or the bolevik mobs.

mobs. mobs. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> We can find all kinds of cross >> We can find all kinds of cross >> We can find all kinds of cross ideological examples. ideological examples. ideological examples. >> Yeah. I mean, wow. Okay. Has this >> Yeah. I mean, wow. Okay. Has this >> Yeah. I mean, wow. Okay. Has this received coverage? received coverage? received coverage? >> Very little. And you know why? Because >> Very little. And you know why? Because >> Very little. And you know why? Because the news organizations are in bed with the news organizations are in bed with the news organizations are in bed with these same companies. CNN has a deal these same companies. CNN has a deal these same companies. CNN has a deal with Kouchy. They use Koshi odds on with Kouchy. They use Koshi odds on with Kouchy. They use Koshi odds on their network. Um there are multiple their network. Um there are multiple their network. Um there are multiple major news organizations which have major news organizations which have major news organizations which have incorporate their actual odds into their incorporate their actual odds into their incorporate their actual odds into their coverage. And a famous example of more coverage. And a famous example of more coverage. And a famous example of more recently was uh Harry Anton the stats recently was uh Harry Anton the stats recently was uh Harry Anton the stats guy over at CNN covering the Khi odds of guy over at CNN covering the Khi odds of guy over at CNN covering the Khi odds of a specific race. Franchesca Hong I a specific race. Franchesca Hong I a specific race. Franchesca Hong I believe he said she had a 95% chance to believe he said she had a 95% chance to believe he said she had a 95% chance to win. She lost the election. But the win. She lost the election. But the win. She lost the election. But the coverage was not just polls. And by the coverage was not just polls. And by the coverage was not just polls. And by the way, a sophisticated news consumer, even way, a sophisticated news consumer, even way, a sophisticated news consumer, even a casual news consumer has a general a casual news consumer has a general a casual news consumer has a general feeling polls are wrong all the time. feeling polls are wrong all the time. feeling polls are wrong all the time. We've just lived through too much to We've just lived through too much to We've just lived through too much to know that. But an event mark or know that. But an event mark or know that. But an event mark or prediction market, well, those they were prediction market, well, those they were prediction market, well, those they were right in 2024, right? They predicted right in 2024, right? They predicted right in 2024, right? They predicted Donald Trump would win. So a 95% chance Donald Trump would win. So a 95% chance Donald Trump would win. So a 95% chance of that. That's a sure thing. Well, it of that. That's a sure thing. Well, it of that. That's a sure thing. Well, it wasn't a sure thing because she lost and wasn't a sure thing because she lost and wasn't a sure thing because she lost and there have been multiple of these there have been multiple of these there have been multiple of these primaries.

primaries. primaries. >> Okay, so that's what kept me away from >> Okay, so that's what kept me away from >> Okay, so that's what kept me away from the predictions markets at, you know, as the predictions markets at, you know, as the predictions markets at, you know, as a sponsor for this show. I didn't even a sponsor for this show. I didn't even a sponsor for this show. I didn't even get the gambling part of it because I'm get the gambling part of it because I'm get the gambling part of it because I'm obviously too stupid to see the whole obviously too stupid to see the whole obviously too stupid to see the whole picture. But I do understand like my picture. But I do understand like my picture. But I do understand like my little slice of the world. And I thought little slice of the world. And I thought little slice of the world. And I thought this seems like an Intel inflected this seems like an Intel inflected this seems like an Intel inflected thing. It's like it it feels it felt to thing. It's like it it feels it felt to thing. It's like it it feels it felt to me on the base of no evidence at all, me on the base of no evidence at all, me on the base of no evidence at all, but just my instinct told me but just my instinct told me but just my instinct told me >> these are companies that are not simply >> these are companies that are not simply >> these are companies that are not simply reflecting back the public's opinion, reflecting back the public's opinion, reflecting back the public's opinion, but trying to shape the public's but trying to shape the public's but trying to shape the public's opinion. opinion. opinion. >> Oh, well, I mean, you're making a great >> Oh, well, I mean, you're making a great >> Oh, well, I mean, you're making a great argument in that point where argument in that point where argument in that point where >> I just feel that. Well, because in that >> I just feel that. Well, because in that >> I just feel that. Well, because in that case, let's actually we recently had a case, let's actually we recently had a case, let's actually we recently had a case where I believe it was in case where I believe it was in case where I believe it was in California, a polling company put out a California, a polling company put out a California, a polling company put out a poll which I I think it I forget that poll which I I think it I forget that poll which I I think it I forget that which candidate it said was leading by which candidate it said was leading by which candidate it said was leading by 12 points. It comes out months later it 12 points. It comes out months later it 12 points. It comes out months later it was the polling company admits quote it was the polling company admits quote it was the polling company admits quote it was a social experiment to see how much was a social experiment to see how much was a social experiment to see how much our poll would get coverage. our poll would get coverage. our poll would get coverage. >> Well, exactly. >> Well, exactly. >> Well, exactly. >> And so now how much did that one poll >> And so now how much did that one poll >> And so now how much did that one poll have influence on Kali or the prediction have influence on Kali or the prediction have influence on Kali or the prediction market? Probably very little. But in the market? Probably very little. But in the market? Probably very little. But in the aggregate, all of these polling aggregate, all of these polling aggregate, all of these polling companies, their error, to the extent companies, their error, to the extent companies, their error, to the extent there's an error, which you again, you there's an error, which you again, you there's an error, which you again, you and I know that there's no money writing and I know that there's no money writing and I know that there's no money writing on it, but we have a feeling many of on it, but we have a feeling many of on it, but we have a feeling many of these polls often understate or these polls often understate or these polls often understate or overstate the way things are going. They overstate the way things are going. They overstate the way things are going. They then get extrapolated to the nth degree then get extrapolated to the nth degree then get extrapolated to the nth degree and financialized in these prediction and financialized in these prediction and financialized in these prediction markets where the liquidity trading in markets where the liquidity trading in markets where the liquidity trading in these can be hundreds of thousands, these can be hundreds of thousands, these can be hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars depending on the millions of dollars depending on the millions of dollars depending on the race, hundreds of millions in the case race, hundreds of millions in the case race, hundreds of millions in the case of the presidency. So in these cases, of the presidency. So in these cases, of the presidency. So in these cases, the actions of certain polls, let's say the actions of certain polls, let's say the actions of certain polls, let's say the Celtzer poll, we famously remember the Celtzer poll, we famously remember the Celtzer poll, we famously remember that before the Donald Trump election,

that before the Donald Trump election, that before the Donald Trump election, which was so dramatically off despite which was so dramatically off despite which was so dramatically off despite her reputation, is it so outside the her reputation, is it so outside the her reputation, is it so outside the bounds of possibility to say was that an bounds of possibility to say was that an bounds of possibility to say was that an event meant to manipulate a market? Now, event meant to manipulate a market? Now, event meant to manipulate a market? Now, I don't think that actually to be the I don't think that actually to be the I don't think that actually to be the case, but there isn't a lot of law that case, but there isn't a lot of law that case, but there isn't a lot of law that would prevent her necessarily from doing would prevent her necessarily from doing would prevent her necessarily from doing that as long as uh things are covered or that as long as uh things are covered or that as long as uh things are covered or you know their ass is covered in a you know their ass is covered in a you know their ass is covered in a certain way. and then take it even certain way. and then take it even certain way. and then take it even deeper with foreign governments or deeper with foreign governments or deeper with foreign governments or others that may want to influence a others that may want to influence a others that may want to influence a certain type of event here in the United certain type of event here in the United certain type of event here in the United States who might buy a large position on States who might buy a large position on States who might buy a large position on one of these prediction markets to again one of these prediction markets to again one of these prediction markets to again generate the news coverage that it generate the news coverage that it generate the news coverage that it deserves because these aren't taken as deserves because these aren't taken as deserves because these aren't taken as fact when they are not fact at all. fact when they are not fact at all. fact when they are not fact at all. Again, to be fair to Khi, they recently Again, to be fair to Khi, they recently Again, to be fair to Khi, they recently did a meta study. They sent me their did a meta study. They sent me their did a meta study. They sent me their data where they said when there's a 5% data where they said when there's a 5% data where they said when there's a 5% chance of happening, it usually happens chance of happening, it usually happens chance of happening, it usually happens 5%. If there's a 90% chance of 5%. If there's a 90% chance of 5%. If there's a 90% chance of happening, there usually is 90%. They're happening, there usually is 90%. They're happening, there usually is 90%. They're trying to prove that they are trying to prove that they are trying to prove that they are predictive. My problem with that is predictive. My problem with that is predictive. My problem with that is their sample size, especially it's taken their sample size, especially it's taken their sample size, especially it's taken elections. You and I know the vast elections. You and I know the vast elections. You and I know the vast majority of primaries are not contested.

majority of primaries are not contested. majority of primaries are not contested. And the the winner is clear. The data And the the winner is clear. The data And the the winner is clear. The data would only be useful to me in an actual would only be useful to me in an actual would only be useful to me in an actual contested primary. And in many of these contested primary. And in many of these contested primary. And in many of these contested primaries, totally wrong. They contested primaries, totally wrong. They contested primaries, totally wrong. They were wrong with Angie Nixon. They were were wrong with Angie Nixon. They were were wrong with Angie Nixon. They were wrong with Franchesca Hong. They were wrong with Franchesca Hong. They were wrong with Franchesca Hong. They were wrong with Abdul Sied. They had Abdul wrong with Abdul Sied. They had Abdul wrong with Abdul Sied. They had Abdul Sied winning dramatically more than he Sied winning dramatically more than he Sied winning dramatically more than he actually ended up winning his election actually ended up winning his election actually ended up winning his election by. Franchesca Hong, they had her 95% by. Franchesca Hong, they had her 95% by. Franchesca Hong, they had her 95% chance she lost. Uh Angie Nixon who beat chance she lost. Uh Angie Nixon who beat chance she lost. Uh Angie Nixon who beat her opponent by like 10 points or her opponent by like 10 points or her opponent by like 10 points or something, they had as a dramatic something, they had as a dramatic something, they had as a dramatic underdog. And so when it actually underdog. And so when it actually underdog. And so when it actually mattered again in this case where you mattered again in this case where you mattered again in this case where you had an event where you would have looked had an event where you would have looked had an event where you would have looked to these prediction markets for to these prediction markets for to these prediction markets for information that you wouldn't be able to information that you wouldn't be able to information that you wouldn't be able to gleam from polls or from other open- gleam from polls or from other open- gleam from polls or from other open- source material, it didn't end up source material, it didn't end up source material, it didn't end up mattering. And so that in the contested mattering. And so that in the contested mattering. And so that in the contested primary, and these things haven't even primary, and these things haven't even primary, and these things haven't even been around that long, what's their been around that long, what's their been around that long, what's their actual track record? Because right now actual track record? Because right now actual track record? Because right now it just seems like a casual election it just seems like a casual election it just seems like a casual election better goes on the RCP average, sees better goes on the RCP average, sees better goes on the RCP average, sees Franchesca Hong. There's even a meme Franchesca Hong. There's even a meme Franchesca Hong. There's even a meme where they say, "Oh, look guys, they're where they say, "Oh, look guys, they're where they say, "Oh, look guys, they're selling dollars for 95 because had selling dollars for 95 because had selling dollars for 95 because had a 95% chance of winning." And so easy 5% a 95% chance of winning." And so easy 5% a 95% chance of winning." And so easy 5% pop. You put 500 bucks in it. Not a lot pop. You put 500 bucks in it. Not a lot pop. You put 500 bucks in it. Not a lot to some people, a lot to most people.

to some people, a lot to most people. to some people, a lot to most people. And next thing you know, you lose all of And next thing you know, you lose all of And next thing you know, you lose all of it. And that story has compounded on it. And that story has compounded on it. And that story has compounded on sports, on elections, on what color sports, on elections, on what color sports, on elections, on what color dildo will be thrown on the WNBA uh on dildo will be thrown on the WNBA uh on dildo will be thrown on the WNBA uh on the WNBA court, on the types of ga the the WNBA court, on the types of ga the the WNBA court, on the types of ga the color of Gatorade which will be poured color of Gatorade which will be poured color of Gatorade which will be poured on a coach after they win the Super on a coach after they win the Super on a coach after they win the Super Bowl. Uh I could go on. Bowl. Uh I could go on. Bowl. Uh I could go on. >> All of it's non-productive though. >> All of it's non-productive though. >> All of it's non-productive though. Nothing is being created. Nothing is being created. Nothing is being created. >> Nothing is being created except the >> Nothing is being created except the >> Nothing is being created except the youngest female billionaire is one of youngest female billionaire is one of youngest female billionaire is one of the uh founders of Koshi. So we can just the uh founders of Koshi. So we can just the uh founders of Koshi. So we can just thank God for that. thank God for that. thank God for that. >> Just an entrepreneurial MIT [laughter] >> Just an entrepreneurial MIT [laughter] >> Just an entrepreneurial MIT [laughter] grad. grad. grad. >> Entrepreneurial. >> Entrepreneurial. >> Entrepreneurial. >> How is it entrepreneurial to find new >> How is it entrepreneurial to find new >> How is it entrepreneurial to find new ways to exploit desperate people? ways to exploit desperate people? ways to exploit desperate people? >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Or offer liquidity to uh financial >> Or offer liquidity to uh financial >> Or offer liquidity to uh financial houses so they can bet up and down on houses so they can bet up and down on houses so they can bet up and down on the federal. the federal. the federal. >> It just seems predatory. So why would >> It just seems predatory. So why would >> It just seems predatory. So why would young men participate in this when some young men participate in this when some young men participate in this when some of them presumably are smart enough to of them presumably are smart enough to of them presumably are smart enough to know the odds, but they do it anyway? know the odds, but they do it anyway? know the odds, but they do it anyway? >> Uh I would dispute that because >> Uh I would dispute that because >> Uh I would dispute that because unfortunately they don't know. I mean we unfortunately they don't know. I mean we unfortunately they don't know. I mean we just have too much data. don't know the just have too much data. don't know the just have too much data. don't know the odds and they're bombarded by odds and they're bombarded by odds and they're bombarded by advertising but a lot of it is everyone advertising but a lot of it is everyone advertising but a lot of it is everyone can understand this actually I did a lot can understand this actually I did a lot can understand this actually I did a lot of research into this I go why is so I of research into this I go why is so I of research into this I go why is so I don't have the gene I don't have the don't have the gene I don't have the don't have the gene I don't have the gambling gene um you know I'm capable gambling gene um you know I'm capable gambling gene um you know I'm capable playing craps is fun and winning is fun playing craps is fun and winning is fun playing craps is fun and winning is fun but I can easily walk away after losing but I can easily walk away after losing but I can easily walk away after losing $25 and say I'm done but $25 and say I'm done but $25 and say I'm done but >> so what is it so it's actually >> so what is it so it's actually >> so what is it so it's actually fascinating our dopamine rewards risk fascinating our dopamine rewards risk fascinating our dopamine rewards risk when you get the reward you get when you get the reward you get when you get the reward you get serotonin which brings you down so risk serotonin which brings you down so risk serotonin which brings you down so risk the action itself and there's a famous the action itself and there's a famous the action itself and there's a famous line from For for me, the action is the line from For for me, the action is the line from For for me, the action is the juice. That's actually true, especially

juice. That's actually true, especially juice. That's actually true, especially when you're a high testosterone male. when you're a high testosterone male. when you're a high testosterone male. Well, what it means is that gambling is Well, what it means is that gambling is Well, what it means is that gambling is a derivative of our chase of dopamine a derivative of our chase of dopamine a derivative of our chase of dopamine and of risk. And specifically, the and of risk. And specifically, the and of risk. And specifically, the reason why we are rewarded with dopamine reason why we are rewarded with dopamine reason why we are rewarded with dopamine for risk is hunting. And so you'll for risk is hunting. And so you'll for risk is hunting. And so you'll understand this as a hunter. The vast understand this as a hunter. The vast understand this as a hunter. The vast majority of hunting is extraordinary majority of hunting is extraordinary majority of hunting is extraordinary boredom and using your mind to and most boredom and using your mind to and most boredom and using your mind to and most of the times it doesn't work unless of the times it doesn't work unless of the times it doesn't work unless you're deeply familiar with the terrain. you're deeply familiar with the terrain. you're deeply familiar with the terrain. Especially when we're talking about Especially when we're talking about Especially when we're talking about non-rifle hunting or it's an incredibly non-rifle hunting or it's an incredibly non-rifle hunting or it's an incredibly difficult task. You can ask anybody who difficult task. You can ask anybody who difficult task. You can ask anybody who does it. Well, what nature needed to does it. Well, what nature needed to does it. Well, what nature needed to reward you and so you needed to go out reward you and so you needed to go out reward you and so you needed to go out there fare for yourself probably burn there fare for yourself probably burn there fare for yourself probably burn more calories than you were going to more calories than you were going to more calories than you were going to get. It's a totally irrational thing get. It's a totally irrational thing get. It's a totally irrational thing when you actually think about it. But it when you actually think about it. But it when you actually think about it. But it only makes sense if there is the payoff only makes sense if there is the payoff only makes sense if there is the payoff at the end. Gambling is touch is at the end. Gambling is touch is at the end. Gambling is touch is basically hijacking the dopamine and the basically hijacking the dopamine and the basically hijacking the dopamine and the nervous system which we developed to nervous system which we developed to nervous system which we developed to become hunters so that we could go out become hunters so that we could go out become hunters so that we could go out and provide food for our families, for and provide food for our families, for and provide food for our families, for our clan to be able to feed our child. our clan to be able to feed our child. our clan to be able to feed our child. But in modernity with the grocery store But in modernity with the grocery store But in modernity with the grocery store and all of that removed, that nervous and all of that removed, that nervous and all of that removed, that nervous system, our biology has not caught up to system, our biology has not caught up to system, our biology has not caught up to that. And there's a specific subset of that. And there's a specific subset of that. And there's a specific subset of our population just like there is with our population just like there is with our population just like there is with alcohol or marijuana where that dopamine alcohol or marijuana where that dopamine alcohol or marijuana where that dopamine or or even drugs. Anybody, you know, I I or or even drugs. Anybody, you know, I I or or even drugs. Anybody, you know, I I don't think I could ever be addicted to don't think I could ever be addicted to don't think I could ever be addicted to drugs. I just don't have that type of drugs. I just don't have that type of drugs. I just don't have that type of gene. But I know a lot of people who do.

gene. But I know a lot of people who do. gene. But I know a lot of people who do. They're not I'm [clears throat] not They're not I'm [clears throat] not They're not I'm [clears throat] not better than them or worse. It's there's better than them or worse. It's there's better than them or worse. It's there's a scale whenever it comes to human a scale whenever it comes to human a scale whenever it comes to human biology. There's a specific subset of biology. There's a specific subset of biology. There's a specific subset of our population where that rush is the our population where that rush is the our population where that rush is the greatest thing in the world. Yes. And if greatest thing in the world. Yes. And if greatest thing in the world. Yes. And if you've seen them, if you ever been to a you've seen them, if you ever been to a you've seen them, if you ever been to a casino, when you see those wideeyed casino, when you see those wideeyed casino, when you see those wideeyed guys, you notice they don't feel when guys, you notice they don't feel when guys, you notice they don't feel when they win, they feel when they lose. It's they win, they feel when they lose. It's they win, they feel when they lose. It's when they lose that they finally feel when they lose that they finally feel when they lose that they finally feel alive. Because to be alive for them was alive. Because to be alive for them was alive. Because to be alive for them was the moments in which they thought they the moments in which they thought they the moments in which they thought they would win, they have to come back to the would win, they have to come back to the would win, they have to come back to the crash and then they have to chase again. crash and then they have to chase again. crash and then they have to chase again. Because if they won, then they wouldn't Because if they won, then they wouldn't Because if they won, then they wouldn't be able to get the same chase cuz they be able to get the same chase cuz they be able to get the same chase cuz they would actually get the reward which they would actually get the reward which they would actually get the reward which they think that they're seeking. But what think that they're seeking. But what think that they're seeking. But what they don't realize is they're seeking they don't realize is they're seeking they don't realize is they're seeking the drug itself. And when you normalize the drug itself. And when you normalize the drug itself. And when you normalize this, like I said, across hundreds of this, like I said, across hundreds of this, like I said, across hundreds of millions of people, you hijack the millions of people, you hijack the millions of people, you hijack the biology largely of a lot of young men biology largely of a lot of young men biology largely of a lot of young men who are rushed full of testosterone. who are rushed full of testosterone. who are rushed full of testosterone. Traditionally would be the hunters. Traditionally would be the hunters. Traditionally would be the hunters. That's really where it all seems to come That's really where it all seems to come That's really where it all seems to come down to. This is why I talked previously down to. This is why I talked previously down to. This is why I talked previously about I mean pornography is the same about I mean pornography is the same about I mean pornography is the same thing, right? It's the same artificial thing, right? It's the same artificial thing, right? It's the same artificial construction hijacking of the dopamine construction hijacking of the dopamine construction hijacking of the dopamine and the nervous system which is intended and the nervous system which is intended and the nervous system which is intended for you to be able to procreate. Um, for you to be able to procreate. Um, for you to be able to procreate. Um, whenever we talk about day trading is a whenever we talk about day trading is a whenever we talk about day trading is a very similar thing is it easy ways to very similar thing is it easy ways to very similar thing is it easy ways to get riches but al riches but ultimately get riches but al riches but ultimately get riches but al riches but ultimately it's about risk. And so what gambling it's about risk. And so what gambling it's about risk. And so what gambling does is it hijacks that and it takes does is it hijacks that and it takes does is it hijacks that and it takes somebody in the prime of their life somebody in the prime of their life somebody in the prime of their life where they could have used that risk and where they could have used that risk and where they could have used that risk and that appetite for dopamine if it wasn't that appetite for dopamine if it wasn't that appetite for dopamine if it wasn't legal to at the very least participate legal to at the very least participate legal to at the very least participate maybe in something more sociable because maybe in something more sociable because maybe in something more sociable because what did I just say about everything what did I just say about everything what did I just say about everything with gambling? They do it on the phone.

with gambling? They do it on the phone. with gambling? They do it on the phone. Is that you know even with alcohol you Is that you know even with alcohol you Is that you know even with alcohol you have to go out and you have to buy have to go out and you have to buy have to go out and you have to buy alcohol. You have to you have to at the alcohol. You have to you have to at the alcohol. You have to you have to at the very least you have to speak to the very least you have to speak to the very least you have to speak to the clerk who's selling you the booze or the clerk who's selling you the booze or the clerk who's selling you the booze or the bartender. Even marijuana you have to go bartender. Even marijuana you have to go bartender. Even marijuana you have to go and buy it from a store. All of this can and buy it from a store. All of this can and buy it from a store. All of this can be done in total solitude on your phone. be done in total solitude on your phone. be done in total solitude on your phone. And actually I read a book Danny Font And actually I read a book Danny Font And actually I read a book Danny Font who wrote this incredible book who wrote this incredible book who wrote this incredible book well-reported book on gambling. He said well-reported book on gambling. He said well-reported book on gambling. He said that sometimes they would go FanDuel or that sometimes they would go FanDuel or that sometimes they would go FanDuel or one of these companies would survey one of these companies would survey one of these companies would survey their customers and said would you would their customers and said would you would their customers and said would you would you recommend this product to a friend? you recommend this product to a friend? you recommend this product to a friend? their best customers said no. No, their best customers said no. No, their best customers said no. No, because they they they wouldn't want because they they they wouldn't want because they they they wouldn't want their friends to participate or they're their friends to participate or they're their friends to participate or they're ashamed or they don't have any friends. ashamed or they don't have any friends. ashamed or they don't have any friends. They just do it by themselves. It's the They just do it by themselves. It's the They just do it by themselves. It's the only rush that they have. And I've seen only rush that they have. And I've seen only rush that they have. And I've seen it bleed now into our society. We see it bleed now into our society. We see it bleed now into our society. We see male loneliness obviously is an male loneliness obviously is an male loneliness obviously is an epidemic. But the other thing I hate epidemic. But the other thing I hate epidemic. But the other thing I hate about gambling is that has replaced the about gambling is that has replaced the about gambling is that has replaced the common parlance of sports talk with all common parlance of sports talk with all common parlance of sports talk with all men. When you talk sports with my men. When you talk sports with my men. When you talk sports with my generation of men and younger, it's very generation of men and younger, it's very generation of men and younger, it's very little to do whether the team is good.

little to do whether the team is good. little to do whether the team is good. It's about how much you've bet on the It's about how much you've bet on the It's about how much you've bet on the games. If you go to a bar, you can go to games. If you go to a bar, you can go to games. If you go to a bar, you can go to any sports bar in the middle of football any sports bar in the middle of football any sports bar in the middle of football season, sit next to a guy, almost season, sit next to a guy, almost season, sit next to a guy, almost certainly if he's there by himself, he's certainly if he's there by himself, he's certainly if he's there by himself, he's got money riding on the game and got money riding on the game and got money riding on the game and probably on both sides of the ball in probably on both sides of the ball in probably on both sides of the ball in terms of this down. I was at a a terms of this down. I was at a a terms of this down. I was at a a football game where I saw a man severely football game where I saw a man severely football game where I saw a man severely intoxicated in front of me tell his son intoxicated in front of me tell his son intoxicated in front of me tell his son to place $100 that the Eagles were going to place $100 that the Eagles were going to place $100 that the Eagles were going to score on this specific down he said to score on this specific down he said to score on this specific down he said on this drive. So his son goes on they on this drive. So his son goes on they on this drive. So his son goes on they immediately they don't score. I saw him immediately they don't score. I saw him immediately they don't score. I saw him lose that 100 right in front of me. lose that 100 right in front of me. lose that 100 right in front of me. Okay, it's 100 bucks. He can afford the Okay, it's 100 bucks. He can afford the Okay, it's 100 bucks. He can afford the seats probably fine. But multiply this seats probably fine. But multiply this seats probably fine. But multiply this at scale and that's ultimately is the at scale and that's ultimately is the at scale and that's ultimately is the rush that people are chasing is all rush that people are chasing is all rush that people are chasing is all being channeled by our government by our being channeled by our government by our being channeled by our government by our capitalist oligarchic elites into sinful capitalist oligarchic elites into sinful capitalist oligarchic elites into sinful activity. activity. activity. >> So you said a minute ago that there are >> So you said a minute ago that there are >> So you said a minute ago that there are people libertarians you describe them um people libertarians you describe them um people libertarians you describe them um who argue that it's it happens anyway. who argue that it's it happens anyway. who argue that it's it happens anyway. >> So is there any acknowledgement that if >> So is there any acknowledgement that if >> So is there any acknowledgement that if you make something easier you'll get you make something easier you'll get you make something easier you'll get more of it? They say you should tax and more of it? They say you should tax and more of it? They say you should tax and regulate it. Um and that that eventually regulate it. Um and that that eventually regulate it. Um and that that eventually that it will normalize over time.

that it will normalize over time. that it will normalize over time. There's no evidence normalize that oh There's no evidence normalize that oh There's no evidence normalize that oh people will right now we're just in the people will right now we're just in the people will right now we're just in the wild west days of gambling and we'll wild west days of gambling and we'll wild west days of gambling and we'll figure out the regulations and we'll figure out the regulations and we'll figure out the regulations and we'll figure out more safeguards and in the figure out more safeguards and in the figure out more safeguards and in the long run we'll be better off because long run we'll be better off because long run we'll be better off because there's no more illegal gambling even there's no more illegal gambling even there's no more illegal gambling even though there is still a lot of illegal though there is still a lot of illegal though there is still a lot of illegal gambling. Um because they can sometimes gambling. Um because they can sometimes gambling. Um because they can sometimes offer different things or customer offer different things or customer offer different things or customer service you know that the illegal service you know that the illegal service you know that the illegal gambling companies do. They said the gambling companies do. They said the gambling companies do. They said the same thing with marijuana. Nope. uh same thing with marijuana. Nope. uh same thing with marijuana. Nope. uh illegal marijuana market is still illegal marijuana market is still illegal marijuana market is still booming because they sell it under the booming because they sell it under the booming because they sell it under the price of tax. Uh and none of the tax price of tax. Uh and none of the tax price of tax. Uh and none of the tax revenue has even come close to making up revenue has even come close to making up revenue has even come close to making up the social costs that have been the social costs that have been the social costs that have been inflicted on all of us for having inflicted on all of us for having inflicted on all of us for having >> tax revenue become the goal, >> tax revenue become the goal, >> tax revenue become the goal, >> right? Ex I mean this is what happens >> right? Ex I mean this is what happens >> right? Ex I mean this is what happens when Yeah. when Yeah. when Yeah. curious about your tax revenue curious about your tax revenue curious about your tax revenue >> and even tax revenue bastardizes it >> and even tax revenue bastardizes it >> and even tax revenue bastardizes it because they look at it I mean I said it because they look at it I mean I said it because they look at it I mean I said it earlier we secularized America [snorts] earlier we secularized America [snorts] earlier we secularized America [snorts] has decided that freedom means freedom has decided that freedom means freedom has decided that freedom means freedom to sin for the vast majority of human to sin for the vast majority of human to sin for the vast majority of human history specifically under Abrahamic history specifically under Abrahamic history specifically under Abrahamic fates freedom was freedom from sin and fates freedom was freedom from sin and fates freedom was freedom from sin and so the changing of freedom from sin so the changing of freedom from sin so the changing of freedom from sin freedom is freedom from sin from freedom freedom is freedom from sin from freedom freedom is freedom from sin from freedom is freedom to sin was one of the great is freedom to sin was one of the great is freedom to sin was one of the great social changes and understandings in social changes and understandings in social changes and understandings in modern American history. And that is modern American history. And that is modern American history. And that is what is now being reflected in all of what is now being reflected in all of what is now being reflected in all of our values.

our values. our values. >> People, >> People, >> People, >> indebted people, addicted people, >> indebted people, addicted people, >> indebted people, addicted people, compulsive people are not free. They're compulsive people are not free. They're compulsive people are not free. They're enslaved. enslaved. enslaved. >> Right. Uh you and I understand that. But >> Right. Uh you and I understand that. But >> Right. Uh you and I understand that. But >> well, that just seems so obvious to know >> well, that just seems so obvious to know >> well, that just seems so obvious to know any. I know a lot of them. They're all a any. I know a lot of them. They're all a any. I know a lot of them. They're all a lot of them, too. They are literally lot of them, too. They are literally lot of them, too. They are literally enslaved. Uh to the credit card enslaved. Uh to the credit card enslaved. Uh to the credit card companies, to the banks, to the gambling companies, to the banks, to the gambling companies, to the banks, to the gambling companies, which help them go bust, to companies, which help them go bust, to companies, which help them go bust, to the mortgage lender, to their job, to the mortgage lender, to their job, to the mortgage lender, to their job, to their boss, to the system which they their boss, to the system which they their boss, to the system which they work in. But that's cuz you and I have work in. But that's cuz you and I have work in. But that's cuz you and I have empathy for them. Whereas the empathy for them. Whereas the empathy for them. Whereas the libertarian argument, the non-personal libertarian argument, the non-personal libertarian argument, the non-personal argument would be they're an idiot. A argument would be they're an idiot. A argument would be they're an idiot. A man is free to do with his money. A man is free to do with his money. A man is free to do with his money. A fool, you know, a fool and his money are fool, you know, a fool and his money are fool, you know, a fool and his money are going to part anyway, so we might as going to part anyway, so we might as going to part anyway, so we might as well allow that transaction to take well allow that transaction to take well allow that transaction to take place out in the open place out in the open place out in the open >> and profit from it. >> and profit from it. >> and profit from it. >> And profit from it. >> And profit from it. >> And profit from it. >> Do young people understand that they are >> Do young people understand that they are >> Do young people understand that they are being farmed for resources? being farmed for resources? being farmed for resources? >> People are people see it, but they don't >> People are people see it, but they don't >> People are people see it, but they don't have the language. That's one of the have the language. That's one of the have the language. That's one of the reasons I'm really happy that we're reasons I'm really happy that we're reasons I'm really happy that we're doing this. So, there was a recent Gen Z doing this. So, there was a recent Gen Z doing this. So, there was a recent Gen Z poll that came out that a lot of people poll that came out that a lot of people poll that came out that a lot of people are discussing. The lowest level of are discussing. The lowest level of are discussing. The lowest level of institutional trust of any generation in institutional trust of any generation in institutional trust of any generation in modern American history. Usually doesn't modern American history. Usually doesn't modern American history. Usually doesn't set things up for a productive century.

set things up for a productive century. set things up for a productive century. But I think the reason that they feel But I think the reason that they feel But I think the reason that they feel that way is that they are at the mercy that way is that they are at the mercy that way is that they are at the mercy of the student loan companies, the of the student loan companies, the of the student loan companies, the banks. They were locked down during banks. They were locked down during banks. They were locked down during COVID. They're bombarded with predatory COVID. They're bombarded with predatory COVID. They're bombarded with predatory scam advertising with AI promises which scam advertising with AI promises which scam advertising with AI promises which they may take their job. So of course they may take their job. So of course they may take their job. So of course that they are deeply uh untrusting of that they are deeply uh untrusting of that they are deeply uh untrusting of institute of a government where a decent institute of a government where a decent institute of a government where a decent portion of young men vote for Donald portion of young men vote for Donald portion of young men vote for Donald Trump. I would say having met most of Trump. I would say having met most of Trump. I would say having met most of them a lot anti-war was one of the major them a lot anti-war was one of the major them a lot anti-war was one of the major reasons why they did so and then they reasons why they did so and then they reasons why they did so and then they launched one of the most extraordinary launched one of the most extraordinary launched one of the most extraordinary you know dastardly acts in modern you know dastardly acts in modern you know dastardly acts in modern history Iran undercover of negotiations history Iran undercover of negotiations history Iran undercover of negotiations twice actually that we did that our own twice actually that we did that our own twice actually that we did that our own version of Pearl Harbor which we all version of Pearl Harbor which we all version of Pearl Harbor which we all understood was the ultimate betrayal. Uh understood was the ultimate betrayal. Uh understood was the ultimate betrayal. Uh and so that's who we are now. And so for and so that's who we are now. And so for and so that's who we are now. And so for them, I think they can sense this level them, I think they can sense this level them, I think they can sense this level and there is polling actually coming out and there is polling actually coming out and there is polling actually coming out where you can see that the actual where you can see that the actual where you can see that the actual support for legalized sports betting is support for legalized sports betting is support for legalized sports betting is beginning to dip right along with beginning to dip right along with beginning to dip right along with marijuana is that now that we've run the marijuana is that now that we've run the marijuana is that now that we've run the experiment, people are getting to come experiment, people are getting to come experiment, people are getting to come down. But what I'm saying, I want to down. But what I'm saying, I want to down. But what I'm saying, I want to acknowledge at the top, it is not acknowledge at the top, it is not acknowledge at the top, it is not popular and we have to look for past popular and we have to look for past popular and we have to look for past social revolutions to see where the social revolutions to see where the social revolutions to see where the change come came from. It's actually change come came from. It's actually change come came from. It's actually from women. So the reason why from women. So the reason why from women. So the reason why prohibition happened was because women prohibition happened was because women prohibition happened was because women had got the right to vote and they were had got the right to vote and they were had got the right to vote and they were living in a nation where people were living in a nation where people were living in a nation where people were drinking like a liter of whiskey a day.

drinking like a liter of whiskey a day. drinking like a liter of whiskey a day. And these women were getting, you know, And these women were getting, you know, And these women were getting, you know, absolutely beaten up almost every single absolutely beaten up almost every single absolutely beaten up almost every single night or left destitute with their night or left destitute with their night or left destitute with their children in the poor houses, left at the children in the poor houses, left at the children in the poor houses, left at the mercy of literal charity organizations. mercy of literal charity organizations. mercy of literal charity organizations. Literally the first thing they did when Literally the first thing they did when Literally the first thing they did when they got the right to vote was to outlaw they got the right to vote was to outlaw they got the right to vote was to outlaw alcohol. And the temperance movement, alcohol. And the temperance movement, alcohol. And the temperance movement, the temperance movement, again, I know the temperance movement, again, I know the temperance movement, again, I know it's controversial. I think one of the it's controversial. I think one of the it's controversial. I think one of the most righteous movements in American most righteous movements in American most righteous movements in American history. history. history. >> I think it was the same year. Universal >> I think it was the same year. Universal >> I think it was the same year. Universal suffrage and the Volstead Act. Both suffrage and the Volstead Act. Both suffrage and the Volstead Act. Both 1919. 1919. 1919. >> Both 1919. Great show. Boardwalk Empire >> Both 1919. Great show. Boardwalk Empire >> Both 1919. Great show. Boardwalk Empire actually shows that exact meeting. Yeah, actually shows that exact meeting. Yeah, actually shows that exact meeting. Yeah, it shows the politician of Steve Buchi it shows the politician of Steve Buchi it shows the politician of Steve Buchi meeting with the Women's Temperance meeting with the Women's Temperance meeting with the Women's Temperance League despite the fact that he is League despite the fact that he is League despite the fact that he is himself involved in bootlegging. But it himself involved in bootlegging. But it himself involved in bootlegging. But it made the point that many of these women made the point that many of these women made the point that many of these women the first thing that they did with the the first thing that they did with the the first thing that they did with the vote was to support politicians who vote was to support politicians who vote was to support politicians who supported prohibition. And the reason supported prohibition. And the reason supported prohibition. And the reason why is very similar to the gambling and why is very similar to the gambling and why is very similar to the gambling and marijuana and to pornography is they marijuana and to pornography is they marijuana and to pornography is they were the primary victims as they were were the primary victims as they were were the primary victims as they were being left with a population who was being left with a population who was being left with a population who was dassinated, who was drunk, who was dassinated, who was drunk, who was dassinated, who was drunk, who was beating them very much like the domestic beating them very much like the domestic beating them very much like the domestic violence uh case that I just pointed violence uh case that I just pointed violence uh case that I just pointed out. I mean, imagine being in a position out. I mean, imagine being in a position out. I mean, imagine being in a position where you're so such a slave to your where you're so such a slave to your where you're so such a slave to your addiction that you're losing your home addiction that you're losing your home addiction that you're losing your home and you're selling your children's and you're selling your children's and you're selling your children's Christmas gifts, which has happened in Christmas gifts, which has happened in Christmas gifts, which has happened in that case. Another more recent case in that case. Another more recent case in that case. Another more recent case in Philadelphia, very similar Philadelphia, very similar Philadelphia, very similar circumstances. I have somewhat of a circumstances. I have somewhat of a circumstances. I have somewhat of a connection to this one where what connection to this one where what connection to this one where what happened is is he I believe he took two happened is is he I believe he took two happened is is he I believe he took two mortgages out on his home, gambled away mortgages out on his home, gambled away mortgages out on his home, gambled away tens of millions of dollars, uh ended tens of millions of dollars, uh ended tens of millions of dollars, uh ended up, it appears was what happened is is up, it appears was what happened is is up, it appears was what happened is is that he was gambling with FanDuel.

that he was gambling with FanDuel. that he was gambling with FanDuel. FanDuel actually got him a personalized FanDuel actually got him a personalized FanDuel actually got him a personalized video from Bryce Harper, who is a player video from Bryce Harper, who is a player video from Bryce Harper, who is a player for the Philadelphia Phillies. And in for the Philadelphia Phillies. And in for the Philadelphia Phillies. And in that video, Bryce in a video with the that video, Bryce in a video with the that video, Bryce in a video with the FanDuel logo on it tells him, "Hey man, FanDuel logo on it tells him, "Hey man, FanDuel logo on it tells him, "Hey man, I just wanted to reach out and say, I just wanted to reach out and say, I just wanted to reach out and say, "Happy Thanksgiving. Your host from "Happy Thanksgiving. Your host from "Happy Thanksgiving. Your host from FanDuel just wanted me to make this FanDuel just wanted me to make this FanDuel just wanted me to make this video for you." It turns out she went on video for you." It turns out she went on video for you." It turns out she went on Cameo and purchased that video for her Cameo and purchased that video for her Cameo and purchased that video for her uh for her client here over at FanDuel. uh for her client here over at FanDuel. uh for her client here over at FanDuel. He denies that he knew that it was for He denies that he knew that it was for He denies that he knew that it was for gambling purposes. And even though he gambling purposes. And even though he gambling purposes. And even though he says your host from FanDuel is involved, says your host from FanDuel is involved, says your host from FanDuel is involved, he makes hundreds of millions of he makes hundreds of millions of he makes hundreds of millions of dollars, by the way, and as a Mormon, dollars, by the way, and as a Mormon, dollars, by the way, and as a Mormon, uh, actually. Uh, and so it's one of uh, actually. Uh, and so it's one of uh, actually. Uh, and so it's one of those where, look, I mean, maybe I those where, look, I mean, maybe I those where, look, I mean, maybe I believe him that he didn't know that it believe him that he didn't know that it believe him that he didn't know that it was involved, even though it said the was involved, even though it said the was involved, even though it said the word FanDuel, uh, in the script that he word FanDuel, uh, in the script that he word FanDuel, uh, in the script that he was read and he did read on camera. was read and he did read on camera. was read and he did read on camera. Nobody just blame, nobody who's worth Nobody just blame, nobody who's worth Nobody just blame, nobody who's worth hundreds of millions just says, "I'm not hundreds of millions just says, "I'm not hundreds of millions just says, "I'm not going to do this one. I'm not going to going to do this one. I'm not going to going to do this one. I'm not going to do this video." But those are the do this video." But those are the do this video." But those are the lengths to which they'll keep you lengths to which they'll keep you lengths to which they'll keep you gambling. And by the way, he lost gambling. And by the way, he lost gambling. And by the way, he lost everything. He lost his house, second everything. He lost his house, second everything. He lost his house, second mortgage, etc. Tens of millions of mortgage, etc. Tens of millions of mortgage, etc. Tens of millions of dollars. I think he gambled $18 million.

dollars. I think he gambled $18 million. dollars. I think he gambled $18 million. >> Are any politicians against this? >> Are any politicians against this? >> Are any politicians against this? >> Uh, well, Mike DeWine, I'll give him >> Uh, well, Mike DeWine, I'll give him >> Uh, well, Mike DeWine, I'll give him credit. He said, I legalized it and it credit. He said, I legalized it and it credit. He said, I legalized it and it was a mistake. And he published some of was a mistake. And he published some of was a mistake. And he published some of the he published some of the uh of the the he published some of the uh of the the he published some of the uh of the statistics. That's pretty much it. I statistics. That's pretty much it. I statistics. That's pretty much it. I can't think of a single nationwide can't think of a single nationwide can't think of a single nationwide politician. And it's because of the politician. And it's because of the politician. And it's because of the money. I mean, even in our industry, money. I mean, even in our industry, money. I mean, even in our industry, Tucker, what I'm saying is so rare. Most Tucker, what I'm saying is so rare. Most Tucker, what I'm saying is so rare. Most of my colleagues are taking money from of my colleagues are taking money from of my colleagues are taking money from Koshi or for Poly Market. Actually, yes, Koshi or for Poly Market. Actually, yes, Koshi or for Poly Market. Actually, yes, absolutely. A lot of them are taking absolutely. A lot of them are taking absolutely. A lot of them are taking money or have been sponsored by Poly money or have been sponsored by Poly money or have been sponsored by Poly Market or they don't want to close off Market or they don't want to close off Market or they don't want to close off the potential revenue source. My friends the potential revenue source. My friends the potential revenue source. My friends in the sports podcasting industry, I can in the sports podcasting industry, I can in the sports podcasting industry, I can think of one guy I know who doesn't take think of one guy I know who doesn't take think of one guy I know who doesn't take money from the gambling companies. money from the gambling companies. money from the gambling companies. They're really flooding them with tens They're really flooding them with tens They're really flooding them with tens of It's tens of millions of dollars. of It's tens of millions of dollars. of It's tens of millions of dollars. It's they they find themselves in a It's they they find themselves in a It's they they find themselves in a position. It's the only financially position. It's the only financially position. It's the only financially viable way for them to do what they want viable way for them to do what they want viable way for them to do what they want to do. I get it, right? I blame the to do. I get it, right? I blame the to do. I get it, right? I blame the politicians. I I wish it wasn't this politicians. I I wish it wasn't this politicians. I I wish it wasn't this way. But they are showering them with so way. But they are showering them with so way. But they are showering them with so much cash that it's only people who are much cash that it's only people who are much cash that it's only people who are willing to say stand up and say I won't willing to say stand up and say I won't willing to say stand up and say I won't take your blood money. Who are the take your blood money. Who are the take your blood money. Who are the people who will come out and speak about people who will come out and speak about people who will come out and speak about this? And that's part of the reason I this? And that's part of the reason I this? And that's part of the reason I wanted to do this show and talk talk wanted to do this show and talk talk wanted to do this show and talk talk about it in these stark terms is what at about it in these stark terms is what at about it in these stark terms is what at the very least if we're to be confronted the very least if we're to be confronted the very least if we're to be confronted with this secular government who will do with this secular government who will do with this secular government who will do nothing to protect our children, our nothing to protect our children, our nothing to protect our children, our young men, and the women that can we at young men, and the women that can we at young men, and the women that can we at least start a cultural revolution of least start a cultural revolution of least start a cultural revolution of shame. There should be shame for smoking shame. There should be shame for smoking shame. There should be shame for smoking marijuana every single day, for gambling marijuana every single day, for gambling marijuana every single day, for gambling away your children's inheritance. I feel away your children's inheritance. I feel away your children's inheritance. I feel sorry for that person in terms of him sorry for that person in terms of him sorry for that person in terms of him being a gambling addict. I want I would

being a gambling addict. I want I would being a gambling addict. I want I would actually support funding recovery actually support funding recovery actually support funding recovery programs and all of that, but I don't programs and all of that, but I don't programs and all of that, but I don't want him to get to that place in the want him to get to that place in the want him to get to that place in the first place. And if you see a person first place. And if you see a person first place. And if you see a person who's gambling or you're friends with, who's gambling or you're friends with, who's gambling or you're friends with, there should be we should have the there should be we should have the there should be we should have the social space to say, "Hey, man, that's social space to say, "Hey, man, that's social space to say, "Hey, man, that's bad. You shouldn't do that. bad. You shouldn't do that. bad. You shouldn't do that. >> You're throwing your money. >> You're throwing your money. >> You're throwing your money. >> You're profiting from it." >> You're profiting from it." >> You're profiting from it." >> No, that's Yeah, they're there. >> No, that's Yeah, they're there. >> No, that's Yeah, they're there. >> I mean, that's what blows my mind. It's >> I mean, that's what blows my mind. It's >> I mean, that's what blows my mind. It's not, you know, not that people destroy not, you know, not that people destroy not, you know, not that people destroy themselves. themselves. themselves. Um, it's that other people get rich from Um, it's that other people get rich from Um, it's that other people get rich from their destruction and those people still their destruction and those people still their destruction and those people still have their names on the buildings at have their names on the buildings at have their names on the buildings at Harvard. I don't understand that. Harvard. I don't understand that. Harvard. I don't understand that. >> Harvard, they become multi- I told you >> Harvard, they become multi- I told you >> Harvard, they become multi- I told you >> you become president, you make a billion >> you become president, you make a billion >> you become president, you make a billion dollars in office. How can you make dollars in office. How can you make dollars in office. How can you make money in office? money in office? money in office? >> Take trades uh every I mean tens of >> Take trades uh every I mean tens of >> Take trades uh every I mean tens of thousands of trades that Trump has thousands of trades that Trump has thousands of trades that Trump has placed while he was in office. His, you placed while he was in office. His, you placed while he was in office. His, you know, obviously net worth skyrocketed. know, obviously net worth skyrocketed. know, obviously net worth skyrocketed. the Trump coin. Um I mean my god the the Trump coin. Um I mean my god the the Trump coin. Um I mean my god the details on that are shocking genuinely details on that are shocking genuinely details on that are shocking genuinely in terms of some of the associates in terms of some of the associates in terms of some of the associates >> good deal for the investors >> good deal for the investors >> good deal for the investors >> right with for the ordinary people who >> right with for the ordinary people who >> right with for the ordinary people who are his most devoted fans who put their are his most devoted fans who put their are his most devoted fans who put their hard-earned money that's what gets me is hard-earned money that's what gets me is hard-earned money that's what gets me is that money is not everything and the that money is not everything and the that money is not everything and the chasing of it after a certain point in chasing of it after a certain point in chasing of it after a certain point in my opinion makes you evil to agree with my opinion makes you evil to agree with my opinion makes you evil to agree with that completely angry and so when I see that completely angry and so when I see that completely angry and so when I see these hardearned people and I've met these hardearned people and I've met these hardearned people and I've met some of them who are either his biggest some of them who are either his biggest some of them who are either his biggest fans for, you know, and and they put fans for, you know, and and they put fans for, you know, and and they put their trust in the name of Trump. And their trust in the name of Trump. And their trust in the name of Trump. And this doesn't just apply to Trump, but this doesn't just apply to Trump, but this doesn't just apply to Trump, but it's it's really just generally when it's it's really just generally when it's it's really just generally when they put their hard-earned dollars into they put their hard-earned dollars into they put their hard-earned dollars into this and then they end up losing their

this and then they end up losing their this and then they end up losing their savings. That's just the height of savings. That's just the height of savings. That's just the height of scumbag behavior. And that's not just scumbag behavior. And that's not just scumbag behavior. And that's not just Donald Trump. That applies to podcasters Donald Trump. That applies to podcasters Donald Trump. That applies to podcasters and other people in tech who promote and other people in tech who promote and other people in tech who promote spaxs and other sketchy financial spaxs and other sketchy financial spaxs and other sketchy financial instruments and that tells their instruments and that tells their instruments and that tells their audience to invest and they betray the audience to invest and they betray the audience to invest and they betray the trust of those people. just in their trust of those people. just in their trust of those people. just in their defense. It is a minefield because I defense. It is a minefield because I defense. It is a minefield because I have almost taken money from all kinds have almost taken money from all kinds have almost taken money from all kinds of bad people of bad people of bad people >> and I just didn't you know gold >> and I just didn't you know gold >> and I just didn't you know gold companies, prediction markets, crypto companies, prediction markets, crypto companies, prediction markets, crypto scams, like I scams, like I scams, like I >> I get it. >> I get it. >> I get it. >> I'm not an I would never took money from >> I'm not an I would never took money from >> I'm not an I would never took money from any of them but I came pretty close a any of them but I came pretty close a any of them but I came pretty close a couple of times like hey this seems like couple of times like hey this seems like couple of times like hey this seems like a good deal a good deal a good deal >> right? Yeah. Yeah, you have to do your >> right? Yeah. Yeah, you have to do your >> right? Yeah. Yeah, you have to do your research and that's where the public the research and that's where the public the research and that's where the public the lack of public reporting. That's what is lack of public reporting. That's what is lack of public reporting. That's what is I think the worst part is and look I'll I think the worst part is and look I'll I think the worst part is and look I'll say there are a few places which still say there are a few places which still say there are a few places which still do good journalism. The Wall Street do good journalism. The Wall Street do good journalism. The Wall Street Journal, Financial Times have done great Journal, Financial Times have done great Journal, Financial Times have done great deep dives into prediction markets. They deep dives into prediction markets. They deep dives into prediction markets. They have more bulletproof business models have more bulletproof business models have more bulletproof business models because finance relies on them. So because finance relies on them. So because finance relies on them. So they're able to charge higher they're able to charge higher they're able to charge higher subscription fees. A lot of the cable subscription fees. A lot of the cable subscription fees. A lot of the cable companies are in bed with the gam with companies are in bed with the gam with companies are in bed with the gam with the prediction market companies. They're the prediction market companies. They're the prediction market companies. They're using their odds. many a lot of election using their odds. many a lot of election using their odds. many a lot of election coverage. Come midterm season, you will coverage. Come midterm season, you will coverage. Come midterm season, you will see calcium and polymarket odds featured see calcium and polymarket odds featured see calcium and polymarket odds featured very prominently in the coverage. It's very prominently in the coverage. It's very prominently in the coverage. It's going to be embedded in our daily life.

going to be embedded in our daily life. going to be embedded in our daily life. And what's so crazy is this wasn't even And what's so crazy is this wasn't even And what's so crazy is this wasn't even the norm 10 years ago. It only became the norm 10 years ago. It only became the norm 10 years ago. It only became legal 2019, really 2018, 2019 onward. legal 2019, really 2018, 2019 onward. legal 2019, really 2018, 2019 onward. And now we're living in this already, in And now we're living in this already, in And now we're living in this already, in my opinion, dystopian society where my opinion, dystopian society where my opinion, dystopian society where gambling eclipses all other revenue. I gambling eclipses all other revenue. I gambling eclipses all other revenue. I cannot even imagine what 10 years from cannot even imagine what 10 years from cannot even imagine what 10 years from now is going to look like. We're gonna now is going to look like. We're gonna now is going to look like. We're gonna we're going to look like the late, you we're going to look like the late, you we're going to look like the late, you know, 1900s in the same way of know, 1900s in the same way of know, 1900s in the same way of temperance. We'll have poppers. We'll temperance. We'll have poppers. We'll temperance. We'll have poppers. We'll have poor houses. We will have literal have poor houses. We will have literal have poor houses. We will have literal shelters to for people for the women and shelters to for people for the women and shelters to for people for the women and children of gambling addicts if the children of gambling addicts if the children of gambling addicts if the community doesn't step up. That's the community doesn't step up. That's the community doesn't step up. That's the future we've created. Gambling Anonymous future we've created. Gambling Anonymous future we've created. Gambling Anonymous has reported an absolute skyrocket in has reported an absolute skyrocket in has reported an absolute skyrocket in the number of calls. Um, Congress won't the number of calls. Um, Congress won't the number of calls. Um, Congress won't even pass a piece of legislation for a even pass a piece of legislation for a even pass a piece of legislation for a national exclusion where if you put national exclusion where if you put national exclusion where if you put yourself on the exclusion list in one yourself on the exclusion list in one yourself on the exclusion list in one state that it applies to states state that it applies to states state that it applies to states elsewhere. So, if you live on the border elsewhere. So, if you live on the border elsewhere. So, if you live on the border of a state, even though you've excluded of a state, even though you've excluded of a state, even though you've excluded yourself from one place, you get the yourself from one place, you get the yourself from one place, you get the itch, you could drive across the state itch, you could drive across the state itch, you could drive across the state lines. Khi only recently introduced lines. Khi only recently introduced lines. Khi only recently introduced self-exclusion, but there are self-exclusion, but there are self-exclusion, but there are workarounds that are around that. There workarounds that are around that. There workarounds that are around that. There is no regulatory body looking out for is no regulatory body looking out for is no regulatory body looking out for the consumer for trying to the consumer for trying to the consumer for trying to >> exclusion is like a gambling gun safe >> exclusion is like a gambling gun safe >> exclusion is like a gambling gun safe where you just like keep it out of your where you just like keep it out of your where you just like keep it out of your own hands or something.

own hands or something. own hands or something. >> You can go into the sports bet and say I >> You can go into the sports bet and say I >> You can go into the sports bet and say I want to self-exclude. Don't allow me to want to self-exclude. Don't allow me to want to self-exclude. Don't allow me to bet. Uh and I think there's actually a bet. Uh and I think there's actually a bet. Uh and I think there's actually a way to reverse that sometime in the way to reverse that sometime in the way to reverse that sometime in the future. But at the very least on that future. But at the very least on that future. But at the very least on that day they won't allow you. Any casino in day they won't allow you. Any casino in day they won't allow you. Any casino in America will do the same thing. If you America will do the same thing. If you America will do the same thing. If you tell the casino if you tell MGM I don't tell the casino if you tell MGM I don't tell the casino if you tell MGM I don't want to be allowed on any of your want to be allowed on any of your want to be allowed on any of your properties, they will exclude you and properties, they will exclude you and properties, they will exclude you and they won't take your action. But they won't take your action. But they won't take your action. But obviously there's still workarounds. You obviously there's still workarounds. You obviously there's still workarounds. You go to other properties, etc. But go to other properties, etc. But go to other properties, etc. But Congress is Congress, the government, Congress is Congress, the government, Congress is Congress, the government, they're happy to work on behalf of the they're happy to work on behalf of the they're happy to work on behalf of the prediction market companies. Nobody prediction market companies. Nobody prediction market companies. Nobody looks out for the consumer for trying to looks out for the consumer for trying to looks out for the consumer for trying to at least marginally protect gambling uh at least marginally protect gambling uh at least marginally protect gambling uh potential gambling addicts, which we all potential gambling addicts, which we all potential gambling addicts, which we all know will massively increase as a result know will massively increase as a result know will massively increase as a result of this epidemic which is now sweeping of this epidemic which is now sweeping of this epidemic which is now sweeping the nation. I think this is opioids. I the nation. I think this is opioids. I the nation. I think this is opioids. I It might be worse honestly because It might be worse honestly because It might be worse honestly because opioids at least takes you down very opioids at least takes you down very opioids at least takes you down very very quickly. The insidiousness of this very quickly. The insidiousness of this very quickly. The insidiousness of this Yes. It's only comp it's compounding on Yes. It's only comp it's compounding on Yes. It's only comp it's compounding on a on every day, but already in the data a on every day, but already in the data a on every day, but already in the data we know tens of thousands more people we know tens of thousands more people we know tens of thousands more people will likely commit suicide as a result will likely commit suicide as a result will likely commit suicide as a result of this epidemic. Tens of millions will of this epidemic. Tens of millions will of this epidemic. Tens of millions will have lost money or hundreds of millions have lost money or hundreds of millions have lost money or hundreds of millions will have lost money. Tens of millions will have lost money. Tens of millions will have lost money. Tens of millions potentially millions will go broke, potentially millions will go broke, potentially millions will go broke, completely broke or on the verge of completely broke or on the verge of completely broke or on the verge of bankruptcy. And it's all voluntary on bankruptcy. And it's all voluntary on bankruptcy. And it's all voluntary on behalf of the people who run our behalf of the people who run our behalf of the people who run our country.

country. country. >> So obviously there's going to be a >> So obviously there's going to be a >> So obviously there's going to be a revolution of some kind. I hope it's revolution of some kind. I hope it's revolution of some kind. I hope it's peaceful. What's it going to look like peaceful. What's it going to look like peaceful. What's it going to look like politically as a result of this and all politically as a result of this and all politically as a result of this and all the trends you described? the trends you described? the trends you described? >> Yeah, I think uh the lack of >> Yeah, I think uh the lack of >> Yeah, I think uh the lack of institutional trust is very similar to institutional trust is very similar to institutional trust is very similar to what we saw. I I hope it's peaceful, what we saw. I I hope it's peaceful, what we saw. I I hope it's peaceful, too. I I'm hoping we look to our our our too. I I'm hoping we look to our our our too. I I'm hoping we look to our our our cousins in the United Kingdom for an cousins in the United Kingdom for an cousins in the United Kingdom for an aristocratic elite. I'm not talking aristocratic elite. I'm not talking aristocratic elite. I'm not talking about in the current moment at their about in the current moment at their about in the current moment at their time of mass social change where they time of mass social change where they time of mass social change where they voluntarily yes kicking and screaming voluntarily yes kicking and screaming voluntarily yes kicking and screaming ended up giving up power giving more of ended up giving up power giving more of ended up giving up power giving more of the vote to the people to avoid violent the vote to the people to avoid violent the vote to the people to avoid violent revolution. They had an aristocracy and revolution. They had an aristocracy and revolution. They had an aristocracy and a boogeoisi which fundamentally a boogeoisi which fundamentally a boogeoisi which fundamentally understood that they had to address the understood that they had to address the understood that they had to address the actual the the concerns of the people actual the the concerns of the people actual the the concerns of the people and of the driving social change that and of the driving social change that and of the driving social change that they were have to voluntarily give up they were have to voluntarily give up they were have to voluntarily give up some of their power, some of their some of their power, some of their some of their power, some of their wealth, their hold over the wealth, their hold over the wealth, their hold over the establishment in order to keep what they establishment in order to keep what they establishment in order to keep what they really wanted to protect, which was really wanted to protect, which was really wanted to protect, which was their monarchy and their social status. their monarchy and their social status. their monarchy and their social status. And it worked to their credit. Well, And it worked to their credit. Well, And it worked to their credit. Well, we'll look across the continent to all we'll look across the continent to all we'll look across the continent to all of the other monarchies uh which didn't of the other monarchies uh which didn't of the other monarchies uh which didn't survive the first world war and many of survive the first world war and many of survive the first world war and many of the other revolutions which ended up the other revolutions which ended up the other revolutions which ended up sweeping them. I hate to say I don't sweeping them. I hate to say I don't sweeping them. I hate to say I don't think we're there, but we are in if if think we're there, but we are in if if think we're there, but we are in if if we were to look at what I laid out, mass we were to look at what I laid out, mass we were to look at what I laid out, mass institutional mass institutional institutional mass institutional institutional mass institutional distrust, a period now of multiple distrust, a period now of multiple distrust, a period now of multiple presidents, Trump being some of one of presidents, Trump being some of one of presidents, Trump being some of one of the most egregious, but of multiple the most egregious, but of multiple the most egregious, but of multiple presidents saying one thing and doing presidents saying one thing and doing presidents saying one thing and doing the opposite whenever they come into the opposite whenever they come into the opposite whenever they come into office. I'm going to end the war. How office. I'm going to end the war. How office. I'm going to end the war. How many times have I heard that one only to many times have I heard that one only to many times have I heard that one only to end up right now where we are now? You

end up right now where we are now? You end up right now where we are now? You have Trump who is effectively have Trump who is effectively have Trump who is effectively sacrificing the might and the prestige sacrificing the might and the prestige sacrificing the might and the prestige of the American empire for his of the American empire for his of the American empire for his fullhearted decision to go and to attack fullhearted decision to go and to attack fullhearted decision to go and to attack Iran. I heard about economic D-Day Iran. I heard about economic D-Day Iran. I heard about economic D-Day today. Uh I could only wish that it had today. Uh I could only wish that it had today. Uh I could only wish that it had the level of seriousness and intellect the level of seriousness and intellect the level of seriousness and intellect behind the original planning of D-Day behind the original planning of D-Day behind the original planning of D-Day who were real men. You can say what a who were real men. You can say what a who were real men. You can say what a lot about them, but they were real men. lot about them, but they were real men. lot about them, but they were real men. They thought about things. They didn't They thought about things. They didn't They thought about things. They didn't just throw out terms like economic D-Day just throw out terms like economic D-Day just throw out terms like economic D-Day and the most sophisticated financial and the most sophisticated financial and the most sophisticated financial campaign or sanctions of all time when campaign or sanctions of all time when campaign or sanctions of all time when are we really going to do secondary are we really going to do secondary are we really going to do secondary sanctions on China and blow up our sanctions on China and blow up our sanctions on China and blow up our relationship with the largest second relationship with the largest second relationship with the largest second largest economy on earth. Xi Jinping is largest economy on earth. Xi Jinping is largest economy on earth. Xi Jinping is flying to our country. I don't think so. flying to our country. I don't think so. flying to our country. I don't think so. And if we do it would be even more And if we do it would be even more And if we do it would be even more extremely foolhardy. It's fool hearty in extremely foolhardy. It's fool hearty in extremely foolhardy. It's fool hearty in both cases. You have sanctionproofed both cases. You have sanctionproofed both cases. You have sanctionproofed economies. But so you have this economies. But so you have this economies. But so you have this disastrous war very much like the first disastrous war very much like the first disastrous war very much like the first world war which can ignite more social world war which can ignite more social world war which can ignite more social change and revolution. And we're change and revolution. And we're change and revolution. And we're obviously not there yet. Tens of obviously not there yet. Tens of obviously not there yet. Tens of millions of people are not dying. But millions of people are not dying. But millions of people are not dying. But every American who is consuming anything every American who is consuming anything every American who is consuming anything remotely about this war is watching remotely about this war is watching remotely about this war is watching again the destruction of our bases of again the destruction of our bases of again the destruction of our bases of the inability to feed, clothe, and keep the inability to feed, clothe, and keep the inability to feed, clothe, and keep sane the people on the USS Abraham sane the people on the USS Abraham sane the people on the USS Abraham Lincoln where stories have to come out Lincoln where stories have to come out Lincoln where stories have to come out of them literally jumping off the ship of them literally jumping off the ship of them literally jumping off the ship from their distraught relatives for us from their distraught relatives for us from their distraught relatives for us to even actually do anything about it.

to even actually do anything about it. to even actually do anything about it. We're watching our ships have to be We're watching our ships have to be We're watching our ships have to be refueled or resupplied from Diego Garcia refueled or resupplied from Diego Garcia refueled or resupplied from Diego Garcia except for the region because our bases except for the region because our bases except for the region because our bases were destroyed. I didn't even think that were destroyed. I didn't even think that were destroyed. I didn't even think that could happen. I I was I'm one of the could happen. I I was I'm one of the could happen. I I was I'm one of the ultimate pessimists about the American ultimate pessimists about the American ultimate pessimists about the American Empire before going into this war. If Empire before going into this war. If Empire before going into this war. If you had told me Iran's ballistic you had told me Iran's ballistic you had told me Iran's ballistic missiles and drones will kill doz uh at missiles and drones will kill doz uh at missiles and drones will kill doz uh at 18 I believe Americans injure I believe 18 I believe Americans injure I believe 18 I believe Americans injure I believe the latest number is over 700 that we the latest number is over 700 that we the latest number is over 700 that we will be driven like dogs from the region will be driven like dogs from the region will be driven like dogs from the region have to resupply our carriers from 2,400 have to resupply our carriers from 2,400 have to resupply our carriers from 2,400 km away. I wouldn't I would not have km away. I wouldn't I would not have km away. I wouldn't I would not have believed you if you told me that we were believed you if you told me that we were believed you if you told me that we were going to expend the vast majority of our going to expend the vast majority of our going to expend the vast majority of our THAAD interceptors and our Patriot THAAD interceptors and our Patriot THAAD interceptors and our Patriot missiles which are the technologically missiles which are the technologically missiles which are the technologically advanced spear of the American defense advanced spear of the American defense advanced spear of the American defense systems and that we were to do it all be systems and that we were to do it all be systems and that we were to do it all be on behalf of Israel while leading real on behalf of Israel while leading real on behalf of Israel while leading real countries like South Korea and Japan in countries like South Korea and Japan in countries like South Korea and Japan in the lurch. I would not have believed the lurch. I would not have believed the lurch. I would not have believed that. And yet we did all of that. We did that. And yet we did all of that. We did that. And yet we did all of that. We did it only in a span of six months. So it only in a span of six months. So it only in a span of six months. So congratulations to Donald Trump but more congratulations to Donald Trump but more congratulations to Donald Trump but more so you asked me about revolution. So I so you asked me about revolution. So I so you asked me about revolution. So I watched that happen. I watched the watched that happen. I watched the watched that happen. I watched the expenditure of all this. What is the expenditure of all this. What is the expenditure of all this. What is the Trump administration's response? Double Trump administration's response? Double Trump administration's response? Double down economic D-Day. 1.5 trillion for down economic D-Day. 1.5 trillion for down economic D-Day. 1.5 trillion for the military. The military technology, the military. The military technology, the military. The military technology, the same technology which we just the same technology which we just the same technology which we just delivered massive strategic loss over delivered massive strategic loss over delivered massive strategic loss over the straight of Hormuz. So you see that the straight of Hormuz. So you see that the straight of Hormuz. So you see that there's no learning in the state. You there's no learning in the state. You there's no learning in the state. You have multiple instances of politicians have multiple instances of politicians have multiple instances of politicians who say I'm going to do one thing and who say I'm going to do one thing and who say I'm going to do one thing and the other. Everything in America, like the other. Everything in America, like the other. Everything in America, like you just said, is a scam. Everything is you just said, is a scam. Everything is you just said, is a scam. Everything is about extracting more value from you, about extracting more value from you, about extracting more value from you, the consumer, than creating value for

the consumer, than creating value for the consumer, than creating value for your daily life. That's right. This is your daily life. That's right. This is your daily life. That's right. This is what's backs stops, I think, a lot of what's backs stops, I think, a lot of what's backs stops, I think, a lot of the data center backlash. You talked the data center backlash. You talked the data center backlash. You talked about flock. That was a great episode about flock. That was a great episode about flock. That was a great episode that you guys did. But that all what it that you guys did. But that all what it that you guys did. But that all what it comes down to is we can't enrich you. We comes down to is we can't enrich you. We comes down to is we can't enrich you. We can't make you richer. So, we have to can't make you richer. So, we have to can't make you richer. So, we have to oppress you. And we also have to take oppress you. And we also have to take oppress you. And we also have to take your money and spend it on even more your money and spend it on even more your money and spend it on even more foolish adventure. All of the foolish adventure. All of the foolish adventure. All of the ingredients are there if you want to ingredients are there if you want to ingredients are there if you want to look for everything ranging from a minor look for everything ranging from a minor look for everything ranging from a minor revolution to a major revolution. Uh you revolution to a major revolution. Uh you revolution to a major revolution. Uh you know you and I know many people think know you and I know many people think know you and I know many people think despite what the Soviets said a working despite what the Soviets said a working despite what the Soviets said a working class revolution. It was a boogeoisi class revolution. It was a boogeoisi class revolution. It was a boogeoisi revolution. It always is. revolution. It always is. revolution. It always is. >> Take a look at our our elites. >> Take a look at our our elites. >> Take a look at our our elites. >> Elites elites versus elites is the >> Elites elites versus elites is the >> Elites elites versus elites is the classic story of every revolution. Our classic story of every revolution. Our classic story of every revolution. Our current elite is either literally current elite is either literally current elite is either literally morally bankrupt trying to extract morally bankrupt trying to extract morally bankrupt trying to extract people through gambling and marijuana, people through gambling and marijuana, people through gambling and marijuana, pornography, everything I just discussed pornography, everything I just discussed pornography, everything I just discussed here. Or they are people who have been here. Or they are people who have been here. Or they are people who have been failed by the institutional promises of failed by the institutional promises of failed by the institutional promises of the 2000s. Saddled with student debt, the 2000s. Saddled with student debt, the 2000s. Saddled with student debt, put into a situation where they can't put into a situation where they can't put into a situation where they can't get married and have a child, can't buy get married and have a child, can't buy get married and have a child, can't buy a house, have no upward mobility, total a house, have no upward mobility, total a house, have no upward mobility, total lack of distrust and failure by the lack of distrust and failure by the lack of distrust and failure by the system, which was never necessarily system, which was never necessarily system, which was never necessarily going to deliver for the bottom going to deliver for the bottom going to deliver for the bottom quintile, but was at the very least quintile, but was at the very least quintile, but was at the very least supposed to make life decent or better supposed to make life decent or better supposed to make life decent or better for the 50th to the 90th percentile.

for the 50th to the 90th percentile. for the 50th to the 90th percentile. Right now in the US, if you're not Right now in the US, if you're not Right now in the US, if you're not between the fif if you're in the 50th to between the fif if you're in the 50th to between the fif if you're in the 50th to 75th, your quality of life has gone down 75th, your quality of life has gone down 75th, your quality of life has gone down as a as a as a result, not just of as a as a as a result, not just of as a as a as a result, not just of Donald Trump's war, not just because of Donald Trump's war, not just because of Donald Trump's war, not just because of gambling, but because of all of the gambling, but because of all of the gambling, but because of all of the institutional measures which are used to institutional measures which are used to institutional measures which are used to oppress you. And so that is the group I oppress you. And so that is the group I oppress you. And so that is the group I pay the most attention to. And that pay the most attention to. And that pay the most attention to. And that group is angrier than they've ever been, group is angrier than they've ever been, group is angrier than they've ever been, dramatically liberal. They're behind a dramatically liberal. They're behind a dramatically liberal. They're behind a lot of these DSA uh winds that have been lot of these DSA uh winds that have been lot of these DSA uh winds that have been sweeping the nation in terms of the sweeping the nation in terms of the sweeping the nation in terms of the Democratic party. And you can see highly Democratic party. And you can see highly Democratic party. And you can see highly educated people who are downwardly educated people who are downwardly educated people who are downwardly mobile are the two ingredients along mobile are the two ingredients along mobile are the two ingredients along with mass institutional distrust are the with mass institutional distrust are the with mass institutional distrust are the exact Oh, and a unpopular foreign war exact Oh, and a unpopular foreign war exact Oh, and a unpopular foreign war which is bankrupting the empire. which is bankrupting the empire. which is bankrupting the empire. >> World War I. Does anybody want to pick >> World War I. Does anybody want to pick >> World War I. Does anybody want to pick up a history book? And I hope it doesn't up a history book? And I hope it doesn't up a history book? And I hope it doesn't get there. I I I desperately need get there. I I I desperately need get there. I I I desperately need >> No, but unemployed nonprofit executives >> No, but unemployed nonprofit executives >> No, but unemployed nonprofit executives are the most dangerous people. are the most dangerous people. are the most dangerous people. Underemployed lawyers, people like that, Underemployed lawyers, people like that, Underemployed lawyers, people like that, white college educated people whose white college educated people whose white college educated people whose dreams have been shattered. Man, those dreams have been shattered. Man, those dreams have been shattered. Man, those are scary people. are scary people. are scary people. >> Yeah. And you know, >> Yeah. And you know, >> Yeah. And you know, >> smart, motivated, angry, resentful, >> smart, motivated, angry, resentful, >> smart, motivated, angry, resentful, they've been betrayed.

they've been betrayed. they've been betrayed. >> Yeah. Yes. I mean, that those were the >> Yeah. Yes. I mean, that those were the >> Yeah. Yes. I mean, that those were the the backbone of the Russian Revolution, the backbone of the Russian Revolution, the backbone of the Russian Revolution, the backbone of the German Revolution. I the backbone of the German Revolution. I the backbone of the German Revolution. I mean, and that's exactly what led to the mean, and that's exactly what led to the mean, and that's exactly what led to the outcomes in those two countries or to outcomes in those two countries or to outcomes in those two countries or to the destruction or rewriting of the the destruction or rewriting of the the destruction or rewriting of the general rules of society. It was general rules of society. It was general rules of society. It was recently, but the French Revolution. I recently, but the French Revolution. I recently, but the French Revolution. I had just read a fascinating book uh had just read a fascinating book uh had just read a fascinating book uh several series of books there on the several series of books there on the several series of books there on the French Revolution and the extent to French Revolution and the extent to French Revolution and the extent to which there's something inspiring and which there's something inspiring and which there's something inspiring and terrifying and this is kind of what I terrifying and this is kind of what I terrifying and this is kind of what I think we're going to begin to see in the think we're going to begin to see in the think we're going to begin to see in the United States is at the beginning of the United States is at the beginning of the United States is at the beginning of the French Revolution, there was just a French Revolution, there was just a French Revolution, there was just a sense of why should we do it that way at sense of why should we do it that way at sense of why should we do it that way at all, the old way. Let's just do all, the old way. Let's just do all, the old way. Let's just do something brand new, inspiring. And you something brand new, inspiring. And you something brand new, inspiring. And you can actually see how easily that message can actually see how easily that message can actually see how easily that message could catch on in a society like ours. could catch on in a society like ours. could catch on in a society like ours. But what they didn't realize is that by But what they didn't realize is that by But what they didn't realize is that by doing the brand new of opening Pandora's doing the brand new of opening Pandora's doing the brand new of opening Pandora's box is it would lead to the terrors to box is it would lead to the terrors to box is it would lead to the terrors to Napoleon to the destructions beheadings Napoleon to the destructions beheadings Napoleon to the destructions beheadings of nuns of the persecution of every of nuns of the persecution of every of nuns of the persecution of every institution in all of your society. institution in all of your society. institution in all of your society. That's what it leads to. And it has That's what it leads to. And it has That's what it leads to. And it has happened now so many times over the happened now so many times over the happened now so many times over the course of the last several hundred years course of the last several hundred years course of the last several hundred years that I could see a very similar that I could see a very similar that I could see a very similar situation.

situation. situation. >> I could too. And it's interesting. We >> I could too. And it's interesting. We >> I could too. And it's interesting. We spend so much time thinking about, you spend so much time thinking about, you spend so much time thinking about, you know, Stalin's crimes, Hitler's crimes, know, Stalin's crimes, Hitler's crimes, know, Stalin's crimes, Hitler's crimes, Robes Beer's crimes, and so little time Robes Beer's crimes, and so little time Robes Beer's crimes, and so little time thinking about the predicate. Like, thinking about the predicate. Like, thinking about the predicate. Like, how'd they get there? How did a society how'd they get there? How did a society how'd they get there? How did a society like, like, like, >> you know, 18th century France was pretty >> you know, 18th century France was pretty >> you know, 18th century France was pretty sophisticated, pretty rich country with sophisticated, pretty rich country with sophisticated, pretty rich country with >> a liberal society? That's the thing that >> a liberal society? That's the thing that >> a liberal society? That's the thing that strikes you. This was not an oppressive strikes you. This was not an oppressive strikes you. This was not an oppressive regime. Not to cape for the, you know, regime. Not to cape for the, you know, regime. Not to cape for the, you know, French monarchy, but it it was not one French monarchy, but it it was not one French monarchy, but it it was not one of the most, you know, authoritarian and of the most, you know, authoritarian and of the most, you know, authoritarian and oppressive societies. And in fact, one oppressive societies. And in fact, one oppressive societies. And in fact, one of the critiques that later on many of of the critiques that later on many of of the critiques that later on many of the other monarchies of Europe took away the other monarchies of Europe took away the other monarchies of Europe took away was we need to be much more oppressive was we need to be much more oppressive was we need to be much more oppressive because the libertine French allowed because the libertine French allowed because the libertine French allowed this modum of speech, of pampleteers, of this modum of speech, of pampleteers, of this modum of speech, of pampleteers, of openness in their society. And look what openness in their society. And look what openness in their society. And look what it got. Louis V 16th. it got. Louis V 16th. it got. Louis V 16th. >> No, it's totally it's totally right. >> No, it's totally it's totally right. >> No, it's totally it's totally right. Nicholas II was not, Nicholas II was not, Nicholas II was not, >> you know, he was like pretty liberal, >> you know, he was like pretty liberal, >> you know, he was like pretty liberal, pro-western, spoke French at home guy. pro-western, spoke French at home guy. pro-western, spoke French at home guy. >> Yeah, exactly. And I mean, he was a fool >> Yeah, exactly. And I mean, he was a fool >> Yeah, exactly. And I mean, he was a fool in in in >> ways, but it does, it seems like those >> ways, but it does, it seems like those >> ways, but it does, it seems like those are the periods worth studying, the are the periods worth studying, the are the periods worth studying, the pre-revolutionary periods.

pre-revolutionary periods. pre-revolutionary periods. >> I totally agree. >> I totally agree. >> I totally agree. >> And you can't find a good book on >> And you can't find a good book on >> And you can't find a good book on VHimar. I've never been able to find a VHimar. I've never been able to find a VHimar. I've never been able to find a single single single >> I heard there's a good one coming out, >> I heard there's a good one coming out, >> I heard there's a good one coming out, >> but there should be a hundred of them. >> but there should be a hundred of them. >> but there should be a hundred of them. >> Okay. We spent your entire childhood >> Okay. We spent your entire childhood >> Okay. We spent your entire childhood learning about the Nazis. It's the only learning about the Nazis. It's the only learning about the Nazis. It's the only thing that ever happened in history thing that ever happened in history thing that ever happened in history along with the civil rights movement. along with the civil rights movement. along with the civil rights movement. Okay, I'm totally anti-Nazi. I get it. Okay, I'm totally anti-Nazi. I get it. Okay, I'm totally anti-Nazi. I get it. >> How'd they get the Nazis in an election? >> How'd they get the Nazis in an election? >> How'd they get the Nazis in an election? >> No one wants to talk about that. What is >> No one wants to talk about that. What is >> No one wants to talk about that. What is the answer? I'm not even sure I the answer? I'm not even sure I the answer? I'm not even sure I understand. understand. understand. >> And even then, they reduce it down to >> And even then, they reduce it down to >> And even then, they reduce it down to just the depression, which is just the depression, which is just the depression, which is ridiculous. It's not the depression. ridiculous. It's not the depression. ridiculous. It's not the depression. It's like, you know, there's all these It's like, you know, there's all these It's like, you know, there's all these social forces both from actually Weimar social forces both from actually Weimar social forces both from actually Weimar very similar to what I talked about the very similar to what I talked about the very similar to what I talked about the French Revolution idea of we could try French Revolution idea of we could try French Revolution idea of we could try anything. So you saw that the sexual anything. So you saw that the sexual anything. So you saw that the sexual absolute insanity very similar to how absolute insanity very similar to how absolute insanity very similar to how things were happening in France in things were happening in France in things were happening in France in pre-revolutionary France. The same it's pre-revolutionary France. The same it's pre-revolutionary France. The same it's it's fascinating how you could always it's fascinating how you could always it's fascinating how you could always see the same types of things that are see the same types of things that are see the same types of things that are happening similar in some ways to uh a happening similar in some ways to uh a happening similar in some ways to uh a lot of the gender dynamics like lot of the gender dynamics like lot of the gender dynamics like currently here in the United States. And currently here in the United States. And currently here in the United States. And I don't want to take it too far. We I don't want to take it too far. We I don't want to take it too far. We don't have brown shirts currently on our don't have brown shirts currently on our don't have brown shirts currently on our streets. We're not not in a great streets. We're not not in a great streets. We're not not in a great depression. You mentioned the Russian depression. You mentioned the Russian depression. You mentioned the Russian Revolution. So my historical parallel Revolution. So my historical parallel Revolution. So my historical parallel would be okay. It's not 1917. What if would be okay. It's not 1917. What if would be okay. It's not 1917. What if it's 1904? What if it's the it's 1904? What if it's the it's 1904? What if it's the Russo-Japanese war? What if it is the Russo-Japanese war? What if it is the Russo-Japanese war? What if it is the war that previously broke institutional war that previously broke institutional war that previously broke institutional trust and showed the brittleleness and trust and showed the brittleleness and trust and showed the brittleleness and uh created the crackdown and then 10 uh created the crackdown and then 10 uh created the crackdown and then 10 years later it explodes.

years later it explodes. years later it explodes. >> They were so shocked to lose that war. >> They were so shocked to lose that war. >> They were so shocked to lose that war. >> They were st the world was stunned by >> They were st the world was stunned by >> They were st the world was stunned by that and that that is our equivalent I that and that that is our equivalent I that and that that is our equivalent I think of what we have watched here. think of what we have watched here. think of what we have watched here. People try to extrapolate too much of People try to extrapolate too much of People try to extrapolate too much of the most extreme Suez or that, but you the most extreme Suez or that, but you the most extreme Suez or that, but you have to pick some of these side wars have to pick some of these side wars have to pick some of these side wars which at the time were monumental in which at the time were monumental in which at the time were monumental in their understanding of geopolitics. their understanding of geopolitics. their understanding of geopolitics. >> It's totally right. >> It's totally right. >> It's totally right. >> Um, so what happens in the midterms more >> Um, so what happens in the midterms more >> Um, so what happens in the midterms more imminently, imminently, imminently, >> right? Well, if we were to believe the >> right? Well, if we were to believe the >> right? Well, if we were to believe the polls, I actually let's take the polls polls, I actually let's take the polls polls, I actually let's take the polls aside. Let's just look at structure. The aside. Let's just look at structure. The aside. Let's just look at structure. The incumbent president almost always loses incumbent president almost always loses incumbent president almost always loses ground in the uh midterm elections. ground in the uh midterm elections. ground in the uh midterm elections. America is a nation of the median voter America is a nation of the median voter America is a nation of the median voter who loves a Republican president and a who loves a Republican president and a who loves a Republican president and a Democratic Senate for some reason. Democratic Senate for some reason. Democratic Senate for some reason. That's or vice versa. This is baked into That's or vice versa. This is baked into That's or vice versa. This is baked into our political consciousness. So, our political consciousness. So, our political consciousness. So, normally you would always expect to see normally you would always expect to see normally you would always expect to see some sort of a backlash against the some sort of a backlash against the some sort of a backlash against the Trump administration as they actually Trump administration as they actually Trump administration as they actually enact what they wanted to. Similar enact what they wanted to. Similar enact what they wanted to. Similar happened in 2018. Okay, so that's normal happened in 2018. Okay, so that's normal happened in 2018. Okay, so that's normal times. We are not living in normal times. We are not living in normal times. We are not living in normal times. We're living in times of $4 times. We're living in times of $4 times. We're living in times of $4 gasoline for the last 6 months. Uh, by gasoline for the last 6 months. Uh, by gasoline for the last 6 months. Uh, by the way, nobody's paying attention to the way, nobody's paying attention to the way, nobody's paying attention to diesel. Open call. Everybody please pay diesel. Open call. Everybody please pay diesel. Open call. Everybody please pay attention.

attention. attention. >> 17 a barrel this morning. >> 17 a barrel this morning. >> 17 a barrel this morning. >> I think it's it might be more. Well, it >> I think it's it might be more. Well, it >> I think it's it might be more. Well, it might be more on a different uh might be more on a different uh might be more on a different uh marketplace, but it's $5.69 a gallon marketplace, but it's $5.69 a gallon marketplace, but it's $5.69 a gallon national average. It was $3.50 or so national average. It was $3.50 or so national average. It was $3.50 or so just a year ago. So, the inflation just a year ago. So, the inflation just a year ago. So, the inflation that's happened in diesel is dramatic that's happened in diesel is dramatic that's happened in diesel is dramatic compared to what's happened. Do we compared to what's happened. Do we compared to what's happened. Do we really need Oh, yeah. It turns out that really need Oh, yeah. It turns out that really need Oh, yeah. It turns out that we do. It turns out it literally runs we do. It turns out it literally runs we do. It turns out it literally runs all of our industrial machinery, our all of our industrial machinery, our all of our industrial machinery, our grocery prices, everything has diesel grocery prices, everything has diesel grocery prices, everything has diesel price baked into it. So, we've had 6 price baked into it. So, we've had 6 price baked into it. So, we've had 6 months of and I'm sure you know working months of and I'm sure you know working months of and I'm sure you know working people like I do uh who run let's say people like I do uh who run let's say people like I do uh who run let's say work in trucking and I've spoken with a work in trucking and I've spoken with a work in trucking and I've spoken with a few diesel is destroying the price is few diesel is destroying the price is few diesel is destroying the price is destroying them or they're having to destroying them or they're having to destroying them or they're having to pass it on. So, that's just on the gas pass it on. So, that's just on the gas pass it on. So, that's just on the gas front on inflation generally. We have front on inflation generally. We have front on inflation generally. We have seen that the Trump administration seen that the Trump administration seen that the Trump administration specifically full hardy actions in Iran specifically full hardy actions in Iran specifically full hardy actions in Iran have bled into some of the more have bled into some of the more have bled into some of the more inflationary data. We have seen uh inflationary data. We have seen uh inflationary data. We have seen uh mortgage rates which again are impacted mortgage rates which again are impacted mortgage rates which again are impacted by this full hearty decision in Iran. I by this full hearty decision in Iran. I by this full hearty decision in Iran. I believe they're hovering around 6.7% believe they're hovering around 6.7% believe they're hovering around 6.7% something like that for the average something like that for the average something like that for the average [clears throat] American uh if they were [clears throat] American uh if they were [clears throat] American uh if they were to try and get a normal 30-year fixed to try and get a normal 30-year fixed to try and get a normal 30-year fixed rate mortgage. if they were to do so, rate mortgage. if they were to do so, rate mortgage. if they were to do so, they would be entering a home uh a home they would be entering a home uh a home they would be entering a home uh a home market where uh your if you were to look market where uh your if you were to look market where uh your if you were to look at the median wage and what it's at the median wage and what it's at the median wage and what it's required to be able to save for a down required to be able to save for a down required to be able to save for a down payment of 20% to avoid PMI or any of payment of 20% to avoid PMI or any of payment of 20% to avoid PMI or any of these other things that set people back.

these other things that set people back. these other things that set people back. You would need to save for literally You would need to save for literally You would need to save for literally like a decade just to be able to get like a decade just to be able to get like a decade just to be able to get just the down payment and the ability to just the down payment and the ability to just the down payment and the ability to sustain the income on a two parent sustain the income on a two parent sustain the income on a two parent household uh if you were to actually be household uh if you were to actually be household uh if you were to actually be able to afford it. So, extraordinarily able to afford it. So, extraordinarily able to afford it. So, extraordinarily expensive housing market, you're met expensive housing market, you're met expensive housing market, you're met also with uh let's see, in terms of the also with uh let's see, in terms of the also with uh let's see, in terms of the midterms, the way that the Trump midterms, the way that the Trump midterms, the way that the Trump administration acted even before all of administration acted even before all of administration acted even before all of what happened with Iran was in such a what happened with Iran was in such a what happened with Iran was in such a manner where they didn't really act as manner where they didn't really act as manner where they didn't really act as if they needed to convince the public of if they needed to convince the public of if they needed to convince the public of anything, of anything that they did. anything, of anything that they did. anything, of anything that they did. They did a decent job enough in the They did a decent job enough in the They did a decent job enough in the campaign of getting a popular vote of campaign of getting a popular vote of campaign of getting a popular vote of their victory, but they turned around their victory, but they turned around their victory, but they turned around and to the extent they did anything for and to the extent they did anything for and to the extent they did anything for their quote voters or their promises, their quote voters or their promises, their quote voters or their promises, they did it in such a fashion as to they did it in such a fashion as to they did it in such a fashion as to ignite major public debate, which is ignite major public debate, which is ignite major public debate, which is fine in a campaign, but when it comes to fine in a campaign, but when it comes to fine in a campaign, but when it comes to policy, if you don't do it exactly policy, if you don't do it exactly policy, if you don't do it exactly correctly, you will get torn apart with correctly, you will get torn apart with correctly, you will get torn apart with the press, which is a lot of what the press, which is a lot of what the press, which is a lot of what happened. But that was side by side with happened. But that was side by side with happened. But that was side by side with some of the most corrupt actions that some of the most corrupt actions that some of the most corrupt actions that we've ever seen from a White House. And we've ever seen from a White House. And we've ever seen from a White House. And we're not just talking about Trump we're not just talking about Trump we're not just talking about Trump personally enriching himself to the tune personally enriching himself to the tune personally enriching himself to the tune of billions, but nobody even knows from of billions, but nobody even knows from of billions, but nobody even knows from his own financial disclosure. We're his own financial disclosure. We're his own financial disclosure. We're talking about the basic sale of pardons, talking about the basic sale of pardons, talking about the basic sale of pardons, right? Uh that have happened. Uh where right? Uh that have happened. Uh where right? Uh that have happened. Uh where all of these pardons, the Trump issues all of these pardons, the Trump issues all of these pardons, the Trump issues to these corrupt Ponzi schemers and to these corrupt Ponzi schemers and to these corrupt Ponzi schemers and others who then go on to victimize other others who then go on to victimize other others who then go on to victimize other people. uh all of it basically done for people. uh all of it basically done for people. uh all of it basically done for his either for donor pressure or largely his either for donor pressure or largely his either for donor pressure or largely just because he likes feeling powerful just because he likes feeling powerful just because he likes feeling powerful by letting people specifically rich

by letting people specifically rich by letting people specifically rich people uh off the hook. And then Israel people uh off the hook. And then Israel people uh off the hook. And then Israel hovers over all of that because a proud hovers over all of that because a proud hovers over all of that because a proud nation cannot serve another nation. nation cannot serve another nation. nation cannot serve another nation. >> Yes. And this is left and right is that >> Yes. And this is left and right is that >> Yes. And this is left and right is that everybody feels this way. And everybody feels this way. And everybody feels this way. And specifically for a decent portion of our specifically for a decent portion of our specifically for a decent portion of our population to watch us go into this war population to watch us go into this war population to watch us go into this war to deport people for their opinions on to deport people for their opinions on to deport people for their opinions on Israel, to have the Department of Israel, to have the Department of Israel, to have the Department of Justice sue campuses and others for Justice sue campuses and others for Justice sue campuses and others for their opinions on Israel. I mean, I I their opinions on Israel. I mean, I I their opinions on Israel. I mean, I I said this on on our show last time. It's said this on on our show last time. It's said this on on our show last time. It's it's even more true today. Everything it's even more true today. Everything it's even more true today. Everything the Trump administration has done on the Trump administration has done on the Trump administration has done on anti-semitism was Ibrahim X Kendy's anti-semitism was Ibrahim X Kendy's anti-semitism was Ibrahim X Kendy's dream when it came to anti-racism. The dream when it came to anti-racism. The dream when it came to anti-racism. The department of anti-semitism might as department of anti-semitism might as department of anti-semitism might as well exist for what Ibrahim X entire well exist for what Ibrahim X entire well exist for what Ibrahim X entire government. government. government. >> It is our whole government from our our >> It is our whole government from our our >> It is our whole government from our our military the infusion now of the NDAA of military the infusion now of the NDAA of military the infusion now of the NDAA of our Congress. Uh I was amazed recently our Congress. Uh I was amazed recently our Congress. Uh I was amazed recently Rick Scott uh Israel attacked Turkey in Rick Scott uh Israel attacked Turkey in Rick Scott uh Israel attacked Turkey in Syria NATO ally which we're told is the Syria NATO ally which we're told is the Syria NATO ally which we're told is the most important thing in the world. Rick most important thing in the world. Rick most important thing in the world. Rick Scott backs Israel. I was like wow. same Scott backs Israel. I was like wow. same Scott backs Israel. I was like wow. same people who will tell you about how NATO people who will tell you about how NATO people who will tell you about how NATO is a religion to them.

is a religion to them. is a religion to them. >> Rick Scott is so disgraceful. >> Rick Scott is so disgraceful. >> Rick Scott is so disgraceful. >> He's really disgraceful. One of his >> He's really disgraceful. One of his >> He's really disgraceful. One of his constituents was murdered in the constituents was murdered in the constituents was murdered in the occupied territories in the West Bank, occupied territories in the West Bank, occupied territories in the West Bank, right, right, right, >> by a group of terrorists. Um and Rick >> by a group of terrorists. Um and Rick >> by a group of terrorists. Um and Rick Scott refused to meet with the parents Scott refused to meet with the parents Scott refused to meet with the parents who run an ice cream shop in a who run an ice cream shop in a who run an ice cream shop in a smashburger place in Tampa. And he smashburger place in Tampa. And he smashburger place in Tampa. And he wouldn't meet with them wouldn't meet with them wouldn't meet with them >> because their son, an American citizen >> because their son, an American citizen >> because their son, an American citizen born in the United States, had been born in the United States, had been born in the United States, had been murdered by Israelis. And so Rick Scott murdered by Israelis. And so Rick Scott murdered by Israelis. And so Rick Scott took the side of the Israelis. How can took the side of the Israelis. How can took the side of the Israelis. How can he serve in the Senate? I he serve in the Senate? I he serve in the Senate? I >> how can our ambassador who you >> how can our ambassador who you >> how can our ambassador who you interviewed defend I don't understand interviewed defend I don't understand interviewed defend I don't understand foreign country over our own? And I foreign country over our own? And I foreign country over our own? And I think think think >> so who would vote for that? >> so who would vote for that? >> so who would vote for that? >> Who would vote for that? Also, yeah, if >> Who would vote for that? Also, yeah, if >> Who would vote for that? Also, yeah, if I were to ask you about the midterms I were to ask you about the midterms I were to ask you about the midterms that that that >> if you ask me about the midterms, >> if you ask me about the midterms, >> if you ask me about the midterms, Republican vision, what's their vision Republican vision, what's their vision Republican vision, what's their vision for the country? What are you going to for the country? What are you going to for the country? What are you going to do about my home price? Nothing. What do about my home price? Nothing. What do about my home price? Nothing. What are you going to do about uh what are are you going to do about uh what are are you going to do about uh what are you going to do about my gas prices? you going to do about my gas prices? you going to do about my gas prices? Increase them. Tell me short-term pain Increase them. Tell me short-term pain Increase them. Tell me short-term pain for long-term gain. They said that six for long-term gain. They said that six for long-term gain. They said that six months ago. It's been six months. Uh months ago. It's been six months. Uh months ago. It's been six months. Uh what are you what are you going to do uh what are you what are you going to do uh what are you what are you going to do uh to create a better future for my child? to create a better future for my child? to create a better future for my child? Uh who ultimately that's all I actually Uh who ultimately that's all I actually Uh who ultimately that's all I actually care about. I don't even really care care about. I don't even really care care about. I don't even really care about myself anymore. Oh, you're going about myself anymore. Oh, you're going about myself anymore. Oh, you're going to create uh you know a den of sin and to create uh you know a den of sin and to create uh you know a den of sin and gambling and marijuana and pornography.

gambling and marijuana and pornography. gambling and marijuana and pornography. It's like that's the the types of It's like that's the the types of It's like that's the the types of industries which we're going to elevate. industries which we're going to elevate. industries which we're going to elevate. If I voted Republican in the midterm, If I voted Republican in the midterm, If I voted Republican in the midterm, what are they going to pass? My health what are they going to pass? My health what are they going to pass? My health care premium went up 30%. Are you going care premium went up 30%. Are you going care premium went up 30%. Are you going to do anything about that? to do anything about that? to do anything about that? >> When did they become liberals? Like >> When did they become liberals? Like >> When did they become liberals? Like everything I dislike about liberals, everything I dislike about liberals, everything I dislike about liberals, the, you know, neoonservative foreign the, you know, neoonservative foreign the, you know, neoonservative foreign policy, the identity politics at home, policy, the identity politics at home, policy, the identity politics at home, the promotion of like the destruction of the promotion of like the destruction of the promotion of like the destruction of people, drugs, pornography, crime. people, drugs, pornography, crime. people, drugs, pornography, crime. That's the Republican party. What I I That's the Republican party. What I I That's the Republican party. What I I can't Where's the DSA and all this can't Where's the DSA and all this can't Where's the DSA and all this stuff? stuff? stuff? >> Yeah. Wow. That's fascinating. I mean, >> Yeah. Wow. That's fascinating. I mean, >> Yeah. Wow. That's fascinating. I mean, you know, DSA is going through they're a you know, DSA is going through they're a you know, DSA is going through they're a fascinating group. So, for example, fascinating group. So, for example, fascinating group. So, for example, everything you just laid out is probably everything you just laid out is probably everything you just laid out is probably the position and the same articulation the position and the same articulation the position and the same articulation that the DSA co-chairs, the people in that the DSA co-chairs, the people in that the DSA co-chairs, the people in New York City who Fox News likes to New York City who Fox News likes to New York City who Fox News likes to bring on and to argue with. bring on and to argue with. bring on and to argue with. >> The candidates themselves are very >> The candidates themselves are very >> The candidates themselves are very interesting and you can either say this interesting and you can either say this interesting and you can either say this is insidious or not, but they are is insidious or not, but they are is insidious or not, but they are learning and I I do at the very least learning and I I do at the very least learning and I I do at the very least have to admire their ability to shape have to admire their ability to shape have to admire their ability to shape shift from where they were not that long shift from where they were not that long shift from where they were not that long ago. Abdul Elsaiad who's running in ago. Abdul Elsaiad who's running in ago. Abdul Elsaiad who's running in Michigan against Mike Rogers who as you Michigan against Mike Rogers who as you Michigan against Mike Rogers who as you and I know probably the most pro-Itel and I know probably the most pro-Itel and I know probably the most pro-Itel neocon. They couldn't find anybody else neocon. They couldn't find anybody else neocon. They couldn't find anybody else to run in Michigan for the United States to run in Michigan for the United States to run in Michigan for the United States who by the way lost already. Why are who by the way lost already. Why are who by the way lost already. Why are they running him again? Anybody want to they running him again? Anybody want to they running him again? Anybody want to tell me that?

tell me that? tell me that? >> Mike Rogers is really uh I would I >> Mike Rogers is really uh I would I >> Mike Rogers is really uh I would I wouldn't vote for Mike Rogers at wouldn't vote for Mike Rogers at wouldn't vote for Mike Rogers at gunpoint. gunpoint. gunpoint. >> Right. And so that's the candidate, the >> Right. And so that's the candidate, the >> Right. And so that's the candidate, the guy, a literal loser who lost when guy, a literal loser who lost when guy, a literal loser who lost when Donald Trump won the state. Just to show Donald Trump won the state. Just to show Donald Trump won the state. Just to show you how much of a headwind he had at his you how much of a headwind he had at his you how much of a headwind he had at his back tool of Israel and the intel back tool of Israel and the intel back tool of Israel and the intel agencies. How would you run someone like agencies. How would you run someone like agencies. How would you run someone like that? I don't even It doesn't even make that? I don't even It doesn't even make that? I don't even It doesn't even make sense. So that makes no sense. Well, sense. So that makes no sense. Well, sense. So that makes no sense. Well, Elsa, who look, Elsa is a full-blown DS. Elsa, who look, Elsa is a full-blown DS. Elsa, who look, Elsa is a full-blown DS. He doesn't call himself DSA. He's a He doesn't call himself DSA. He's a He doesn't call himself DSA. He's a full-blown leftist. I've known him for full-blown leftist. I've known him for full-blown leftist. I've known him for quite a long time. This is something you quite a long time. This is something you quite a long time. This is something you know him personally. know him personally. know him personally. >> Not well. I've interviewed him many >> Not well. I've interviewed him many >> Not well. I've interviewed him many times over the years because of my times over the years because of my times over the years because of my co-host Crystal. And so I've watched his co-host Crystal. And so I've watched his co-host Crystal. And so I've watched his ideological evolution who you could ideological evolution who you could ideological evolution who you could easily call as AOC said was quote woke easily call as AOC said was quote woke easily call as AOC said was quote woke one, right? woke one where he said one, right? woke one where he said one, right? woke one where he said defund the police on a podcast. He said defund the police on a podcast. He said defund the police on a podcast. He said all kinds of silly things about football all kinds of silly things about football all kinds of silly things about football and mas standard leftist shibival. and mas standard leftist shibival. and mas standard leftist shibival. >> Yeah. Hates Machina Island. He's for >> Yeah. Hates Machina Island. He's for >> Yeah. Hates Machina Island. He's for vaccine mandates. vaccine mandates. vaccine mandates. >> Right. Classic stuff, >> Right. Classic stuff, >> Right. Classic stuff, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> I watch his campaign now. It's America >> I watch his campaign now. It's America >> I watch his campaign now. It's America first. The amount of times he says he first. The amount of times he says he first. The amount of times he says he doesn't even when he talks about Israel, doesn't even when he talks about Israel, doesn't even when he talks about Israel, he says Israel is committing a genocide, he says Israel is committing a genocide, he says Israel is committing a genocide, but ultimately I want to make sure that but ultimately I want to make sure that but ultimately I want to make sure that you don't pay more for healthcare. I you don't pay more for healthcare. I you don't pay more for healthcare. I don't want your tax dollars going abroad don't want your tax dollars going abroad don't want your tax dollars going abroad to fund this barbaric military. He to fund this barbaric military. He to fund this barbaric military. He stands in front of a giant American stands in front of a giant American stands in front of a giant American flag. It's almost Trumpian in terms of a flag. It's almost Trumpian in terms of a flag. It's almost Trumpian in terms of a lot of literally Trumpian.

lot of literally Trumpian. lot of literally Trumpian. >> Exactly. And so you see candidates like >> Exactly. And so you see candidates like >> Exactly. And so you see candidates like that, especially him, he will be the that, especially him, he will be the that, especially him, he will be the most interesting test case come most interesting test case come most interesting test case come November. November. November. >> Is he going to win? >> Is he going to win? >> Is he going to win? >> If I if I had to bet uh which I don't, I >> If I if I had to bet uh which I don't, I >> If I if I had to bet uh which I don't, I would probably bet that he'll win. would probably bet that he'll win. would probably bet that he'll win. >> I would think so. >> I would think so. >> I would think so. >> I think so, too. Do you have any idea >> I think so, too. Do you have any idea >> I think so, too. Do you have any idea not to fixate on poor Mike Rogers who I not to fixate on poor Mike Rogers who I not to fixate on poor Mike Rogers who I know, but I mean there's no one who know, but I mean there's no one who know, but I mean there's no one who should be farther from a position of should be farther from a position of should be farther from a position of power than Mike Rogers. How did he get power than Mike Rogers. How did he get power than Mike Rogers. How did he get the Republican nomination Senate? the Republican nomination Senate? the Republican nomination Senate? >> I looked into it. It was relatively >> I looked into it. It was relatively >> I looked into it. It was relatively uncontested. He had uh both he had the uncontested. He had uh both he had the uncontested. He had uh both he had the most backing of the Michigan GOP, which most backing of the Michigan GOP, which most backing of the Michigan GOP, which is of course very in touch uh with their is of course very in touch uh with their is of course very in touch uh with their own voters own voters own voters >> like Rogers. So they just decided to go >> like Rogers. So they just decided to go >> like Rogers. So they just decided to go with and again this is the guy who lost with and again this is the guy who lost with and again this is the guy who lost to Slotkin when Donald Trump was able to to Slotkin when Donald Trump was able to to Slotkin when Donald Trump was able to win the state and so they can cry about win the state and so they can cry about win the state and so they can cry about vote rigging and all that as we want. vote rigging and all that as we want. vote rigging and all that as we want. Okay, whatever. But we all know that Okay, whatever. But we all know that Okay, whatever. But we all know that this is not a strong candidate in a wave this is not a strong candidate in a wave this is not a strong candidate in a wave year which just happened and they year which just happened and they year which just happened and they decided to nominate him literally yet decided to nominate him literally yet decided to nominate him literally yet again. genuine again. genuine again. genuine >> he was the AP pack candidate to be clear >> he was the AP pack candidate to be clear >> he was the AP pack candidate to be clear and he's told Apac not to advertise in and he's told Apac not to advertise in and he's told Apac not to advertise in public forum public forum public forum >> right and do you see that's where I was >> right and do you see that's where I was >> right and do you see that's where I was saying with Elsad his ability to go up saying with Elsad his ability to go up saying with Elsad his ability to go up against Apac and to win if you're a DSA against Apac and to win if you're a DSA against Apac and to win if you're a DSA person that's got to be one of the most person that's got to be one of the most person that's got to be one of the most inspiring wins of your entire life inspiring wins of your entire life inspiring wins of your entire life that's way bigger than Zoran mom that's way bigger than Zoran mom that's way bigger than Zoran mom >> they got to get rid of the social >> they got to get rid of the social >> they got to get rid of the social liberalism if they get rid of that liberalism if they get rid of that liberalism if they get rid of that because that's where the world is most because that's where the world is most because that's where the world is most people are not orthodox free market people are not orthodox free market people are not orthodox free market people they just want the economy to people they just want the economy to people they just want the economy to serve their families serve their families serve their families >> right >> right >> right >> I think that's care. They want to be >> I think that's care. They want to be >> I think that's care. They want to be treated fairly. I don't think there's treated fairly. I don't think there's treated fairly. I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. And anything wrong with that at all. And anything wrong with that at all. And they're not for radical social change.

they're not for radical social change. they're not for radical social change. They think that there are two genders They think that there are two genders They think that there are two genders and each has a distinct role and like and each has a distinct role and like and each has a distinct role and like it's not good to sexualize children and it's not good to sexualize children and it's not good to sexualize children and drugs are bad and kind of want law and drugs are bad and kind of want law and drugs are bad and kind of want law and order. I mean, these are not crazy order. I mean, these are not crazy order. I mean, these are not crazy right-wing goals. right-wing goals. right-wing goals. >> That's what we call the socially, >> That's what we call the socially, >> That's what we call the socially, roughly speaking, socially conservative roughly speaking, socially conservative roughly speaking, socially conservative >> view and that's the majority view around >> view and that's the majority view around >> view and that's the majority view around the freaking world. Everyone feels that the freaking world. Everyone feels that the freaking world. Everyone feels that way. way. way. >> So why can't we have a party that feels >> So why can't we have a party that feels >> So why can't we have a party that feels that way? Well, I mean that's where we that way? Well, I mean that's where we that way? Well, I mean that's where we have to say we have to just be honest have to say we have to just be honest have to say we have to just be honest here with the DSA. Like at the very here with the DSA. Like at the very here with the DSA. Like at the very least they're not willing to have that least they're not willing to have that least they're not willing to have that conversation. They are they are conversation. They are they are conversation. They are they are >> because it's run by rich girls. Is that >> because it's run by rich girls. Is that >> because it's run by rich girls. Is that why? why? why? >> I mean part of it is that but part of it >> I mean part of it is that but part of it >> I mean part of it is that but part of it is deeply look they are a they were a is deeply look they are a they were a is deeply look they are a they were a small movement with very little backing small movement with very little backing small movement with very little backing as of eight years ago and they are now a as of eight years ago and they are now a as of eight years ago and they are now a major force within the Democratic party. major force within the Democratic party. major force within the Democratic party. They're not in the dominant yet because They're not in the dominant yet because They're not in the dominant yet because the establishment of the Democratic the establishment of the Democratic the establishment of the Democratic party hates them largely over Israel but party hates them largely over Israel but party hates them largely over Israel but over all kinds of other uh campaign over all kinds of other uh campaign over all kinds of other uh campaign issues. the healthcare, let's be fair, issues. the healthcare, let's be fair, issues. the healthcare, let's be fair, over one of them. But they are a a very over one of them. But they are a a very over one of them. But they are a a very they are the prototip prototype of the they are the prototip prototype of the they are the prototip prototype of the upwardly mobile white or downwardly upwardly mobile white or downwardly upwardly mobile white or downwardly mobile highly [snorts] educated largely mobile highly [snorts] educated largely mobile highly [snorts] educated largely white female or male. Yeah, white female or male. Yeah, white female or male. Yeah, >> that's what they are. And you and I >> that's what they are. And you and I >> that's what they are. And you and I having spent a lot of time around these having spent a lot of time around these having spent a lot of time around these people, these people are largely people, these people are largely people, these people are largely delusional whenever it comes to the delusional whenever it comes to the delusional whenever it comes to the actual social views of the vast majority actual social views of the vast majority actual social views of the vast majority of the public. Their theory of change is of the public. Their theory of change is of the public. Their theory of change is that Trump is so bad and has so that Trump is so bad and has so that Trump is so bad and has so destroyed the credibility of destroyed the credibility of destroyed the credibility of working-class messaging that we will working-class messaging that we will working-class messaging that we will emphasize what we have here in our emphasize what we have here in our emphasize what we have here in our America first platform whenever it comes America first platform whenever it comes America first platform whenever it comes to Israel, healthc care for all, which

to Israel, healthc care for all, which to Israel, healthc care for all, which is their belief. We're going to not talk is their belief. We're going to not talk is their belief. We're going to not talk about our radical social views, but they about our radical social views, but they about our radical social views, but they still have them. Elsad is on tape saying still have them. Elsad is on tape saying still have them. Elsad is on tape saying that Medicare for all should pay for that Medicare for all should pay for that Medicare for all should pay for gender affirming surgery. Okay, he's on gender affirming surgery. Okay, he's on gender affirming surgery. Okay, he's on tape for saying that. So, I don't want tape for saying that. So, I don't want tape for saying that. So, I don't want to sit here and claim he is a to sit here and claim he is a to sit here and claim he is a conservative or conservative or conservative or >> or just like sensible. I mean, I don't >> or just like sensible. I mean, I don't >> or just like sensible. I mean, I don't know if you have to be, but if you're know if you have to be, but if you're know if you have to be, but if you're telling me abortion is awesome, you're a telling me abortion is awesome, you're a telling me abortion is awesome, you're a freak. freak. freak. >> You're a freak if you think it's >> You're a freak if you think it's >> You're a freak if you think it's awesome. Maybe you think it should be awesome. Maybe you think it should be awesome. Maybe you think it should be legal in some cases or whatever, but if legal in some cases or whatever, but if legal in some cases or whatever, but if you're celebrating abortion, you're celebrating abortion, you're celebrating abortion, >> you're evil. Like, can can we just have >> you're evil. Like, can can we just have >> you're evil. Like, can can we just have like a normal person run for some office like a normal person run for some office like a normal person run for some office at some point? at some point? at some point? >> I agree. And and that's why I do want to >> I agree. And and that's why I do want to >> I agree. And and that's why I do want to be say and and there are some within the be say and and there are some within the be say and and there are some within the DSA who actually very very much disagree DSA who actually very very much disagree DSA who actually very very much disagree uh with some of the tactics of the woke uh with some of the tactics of the woke uh with some of the tactics of the woke 1.0 like AOC herself. Many of them saw 1.0 like AOC herself. Many of them saw 1.0 like AOC herself. Many of them saw her as a much weaker person. I mean look her as a much weaker person. I mean look her as a much weaker person. I mean look you can see Zoron Mumani. I have a lot you can see Zoron Mumani. I have a lot you can see Zoron Mumani. I have a lot of disagreements with Zoron especially of disagreements with Zoron especially of disagreements with Zoron especially going in to the campaign. But you can't going in to the campaign. But you can't going in to the campaign. But you can't deny that the guy has kind of embodied deny that the guy has kind of embodied deny that the guy has kind of embodied their vision. the the the current DSA, their vision. the the the current DSA, their vision. the the the current DSA, at least the people I speak to, Crystal at least the people I speak to, Crystal at least the people I speak to, Crystal specifically and Ryan, their vision I specifically and Ryan, their vision I specifically and Ryan, their vision I know for that is like the sewer know for that is like the sewer know for that is like the sewer socialist model, which is very much how socialist model, which is very much how socialist model, which is very much how Zoron is trying to govern this the city Zoron is trying to govern this the city Zoron is trying to govern this the city of New York is he does he uses his of New York is he does he uses his of New York is he does he uses his extraordinary popularity and charisma.

extraordinary popularity and charisma. extraordinary popularity and charisma. He focuses heavily on quality of life He focuses heavily on quality of life He focuses heavily on quality of life issues. He does use his political issues. He does use his political issues. He does use his political capital on social issues which he feels capital on social issues which he feels capital on social issues which he feels are very important to him. Let's say are very important to him. Let's say are very important to him. Let's say like transgender day of visibility. but like transgender day of visibility. but like transgender day of visibility. but he doesn't make it the main component of he doesn't make it the main component of he doesn't make it the main component of his overall governance on law and order. his overall governance on law and order. his overall governance on law and order. He capitulated completely. He He capitulated completely. He He capitulated completely. He reappointed Jessica Tish. There has been reappointed Jessica Tish. There has been reappointed Jessica Tish. There has been at the very least now currently no at the very least now currently no at the very least now currently no actual defunding of the police. He's actual defunding of the police. He's actual defunding of the police. He's largely worked he apologized to NYPD for largely worked he apologized to NYPD for largely worked he apologized to NYPD for saying he should defund the police. So saying he should defund the police. So saying he should defund the police. So he retreated dramatically. He's a he retreated dramatically. He's a he retreated dramatically. He's a pragmatist ultimately whenever it came pragmatist ultimately whenever it came pragmatist ultimately whenever it came to that, at least rhetorically and from to that, at least rhetorically and from to that, at least rhetorically and from what we've seen. How is the crime in New what we've seen. How is the crime in New what we've seen. How is the crime in New York? And so, well, actually, I mean, York? And so, well, actually, I mean, York? And so, well, actually, I mean, let's be fair. New York has one of the let's be fair. New York has one of the let's be fair. New York has one of the lower actual crime rates in major lower actual crime rates in major lower actual crime rates in major American cities. If you were to pick one American cities. If you were to pick one American cities. If you were to pick one of New York or San Francisco, I'm of New York or San Francisco, I'm of New York or San Francisco, I'm choosing New York every single day. And choosing New York every single day. And choosing New York every single day. And he's also focused, let's say, on new he's also focused, let's say, on new he's also focused, let's say, on new garbage containers in neighborhoods to garbage containers in neighborhoods to garbage containers in neighborhoods to make sure that there's not trash on the make sure that there's not trash on the make sure that there's not trash on the street. He put a video out this morning street. He put a video out this morning street. He put a video out this morning about uh rebuilding the BQE, which is a about uh rebuilding the BQE, which is a about uh rebuilding the BQE, which is a disaster. You and [laughter] I have been disaster. You and [laughter] I have been disaster. You and [laughter] I have been on. I'll say, you know, again, as a guy on. I'll say, you know, again, as a guy on. I'll say, you know, again, as a guy who has deep deep disagreements with a who has deep deep disagreements with a who has deep deep disagreements with a lot of their vision, it's pretty lot of their vision, it's pretty lot of their vision, it's pretty attractive to see somebody who says, attractive to see somebody who says, attractive to see somebody who says, "I'm going to fix the infrastructure and "I'm going to fix the infrastructure and "I'm going to fix the infrastructure and I actually am going to do it." As I actually am going to do it." As I actually am going to do it." As opposed to seeing Donald Trump, who is opposed to seeing Donald Trump, who is opposed to seeing Donald Trump, who is multiple times now run on rebuilding multiple times now run on rebuilding multiple times now run on rebuilding America. And now whenever it does come America. And now whenever it does come America. And now whenever it does come to rebuilding, his most recent tactic is to rebuilding, his most recent tactic is to rebuilding, his most recent tactic is to go to bat for the data center to go to bat for the data center to go to bat for the data center companies and for AI.

companies and for AI. companies and for AI. >> More weed, more porn. >> More weed, more porn. >> More weed, more porn. >> At a regulatory level, he's done that. >> At a regulatory level, he's done that. >> At a regulatory level, he's done that. But then even to the extent that they're But then even to the extent that they're But then even to the extent that they're if you were to look at like what if you were to look at like what if you were to look at like what projects do they support building their projects do they support building their projects do they support building their main saving grace for their presidency main saving grace for their presidency main saving grace for their presidency has been AI. AI is the only reason we're has been AI. AI is the only reason we're has been AI. AI is the only reason we're not in an economic depression. AI not in an economic depression. AI not in an economic depression. AI capital expenditure specifically with capital expenditure specifically with capital expenditure specifically with data center is the major driving of any data center is the major driving of any data center is the major driving of any GDP growth that we have left. It is the GDP growth that we have left. It is the GDP growth that we have left. It is the only thing heling up our capital markets only thing heling up our capital markets only thing heling up our capital markets whenever it comes to the S&P 500. They whenever it comes to the S&P 500. They whenever it comes to the S&P 500. They need AI to keep working and so they are need AI to keep working and so they are need AI to keep working and so they are going to bat at a regulatory level, at a going to bat at a regulatory level, at a going to bat at a regulatory level, at a rhetorical level to make sure that this rhetorical level to make sure that this rhetorical level to make sure that this industry becomes the multi-trillion industry becomes the multi-trillion industry becomes the multi-trillion dollar promise dollar promise dollar promise protect the public from mass protect the public from mass protect the public from mass surveillance in the process. Why why surveillance in the process. Why why surveillance in the process. Why why doesn't how about a bill in Congress doesn't how about a bill in Congress doesn't how about a bill in Congress that Trump could call for saying you that Trump could call for saying you that Trump could call for saying you want your data centers okay but we're want your data centers okay but we're want your data centers okay but we're not going to turn this into East not going to turn this into East not going to turn this into East Germany. Yeah, it was we are going to Germany. Yeah, it was we are going to Germany. Yeah, it was we are going to every data center I mean he claims like every data center I mean he claims like every data center I mean he claims like he says right executive orders they have he says right executive orders they have he says right executive orders they have to pay for their own power but it hasn't to pay for their own power but it hasn't to pay for their own power but it hasn't necessarily or they have to build their necessarily or they have to build their necessarily or they have to build their own power whenever they build it. I own power whenever they build it. I own power whenever they build it. I support that but that needs to be support that but that needs to be support that but that needs to be codified into law. We need to make sure codified into law. We need to make sure codified into law. We need to make sure that they are not bribing local that they are not bribing local that they are not bribing local officials like that case in Utah with officials like that case in Utah with officials like that case in Utah with Kevin Olirri in the data center project Kevin Olirri in the data center project Kevin Olirri in the data center project that he spearheaded. We need to make that he spearheaded. We need to make that he spearheaded. We need to make sure look many of the water use claims sure look many of the water use claims sure look many of the water use claims are overblown but at the very least they are overblown but at the very least they are overblown but at the very least they are a somewhat of a concern. And then are a somewhat of a concern. And then are a somewhat of a concern. And then power. Power generation is ultimate. The power. Power generation is ultimate. The power. Power generation is ultimate. The amount of P Virginia where I live, 40% amount of P Virginia where I live, 40% amount of P Virginia where I live, 40% of the power goes to data centers. 40%.

of the power goes to data centers. 40%. of the power goes to data centers. 40%. It's the largest nation. 40% of power It's the largest nation. 40% of power It's the largest nation. 40% of power generation goes to a data center generation goes to a data center generation goes to a data center >> in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. >> in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. >> in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. >> In the entire Commonwealth of Virginia >> In the entire Commonwealth of Virginia >> In the entire Commonwealth of Virginia in Oregon, it's 30%. Uh in some of in Oregon, it's 30%. Uh in some of in Oregon, it's 30%. Uh in some of these, it depends on various different these, it depends on various different these, it depends on various different states. Virginia is the worst because states. Virginia is the worst because states. Virginia is the worst because all the data centers are largely powered all the data centers are largely powered all the data centers are largely powered for the government for Amazon for we for the government for Amazon for we for the government for Amazon for we have the best fiber optic cable for have the best fiber optic cable for have the best fiber optic cable for because of the defense contracting because of the defense contracting because of the defense contracting industry. But so that's it's an extreme industry. But so that's it's an extreme industry. But so that's it's an extreme example but I'm giving one where you can example but I'm giving one where you can example but I'm giving one where you can see that power generation itself is see that power generation itself is see that power generation itself is becoming a zero sum game which is a becoming a zero sum game which is a becoming a zero sum game which is a nightmare especially when you're nightmare especially when you're nightmare especially when you're competing against one of the fastest competing against one of the fastest competing against one of the fastest growing industries in the world which is growing industries in the world which is growing industries in the world which is the most power hungry especially with the most power hungry especially with the most power hungry especially with these hypers scale data centers. If we these hypers scale data centers. If we these hypers scale data centers. If we had abundant cheap power, none of this had abundant cheap power, none of this had abundant cheap power, none of this would really be as much of a would really be as much of a would really be as much of a conversation. But it is actually living conversation. But it is actually living conversation. But it is actually living in a world where the administration is in a world where the administration is in a world where the administration is coming to the back of these data center coming to the back of these data center coming to the back of these data center companies and is in many cases is companies and is in many cases is companies and is in many cases is attacking Republican governors who again attacking Republican governors who again attacking Republican governors who again in my opinion are just trying to do some in my opinion are just trying to do some in my opinion are just trying to do some very sensible stuff. Greg Abbott, who very sensible stuff. Greg Abbott, who very sensible stuff. Greg Abbott, who let's not pretend he's doing this out of let's not pretend he's doing this out of let's not pretend he's doing this out of the goodness of his own heart. He the goodness of his own heart. He the goodness of his own heart. He dragged kicking and screaming to the dragged kicking and screaming to the dragged kicking and screaming to the data center.

data center. data center. >> He's about to miss that election. He >> He's about to miss that election. He >> He's about to miss that election. He very well may but he signed a data very well may but he signed a data very well may but he signed a data center moratorum and in it all he says center moratorum and in it all he says center moratorum and in it all he says is look we're doing a moratorum we have is look we're doing a moratorum we have is look we're doing a moratorum we have to figure out rural land use and water to figure out rural land use and water to figure out rural land use and water noise generation we need to make sure noise generation we need to make sure noise generation we need to make sure that you don't get certain tax breaks we that you don't get certain tax breaks we that you don't get certain tax breaks we just need to make things you know normal just need to make things you know normal just need to make things you know normal so that the the when the local community so that the the when the local community so that the the when the local community allows this the data center to be built allows this the data center to be built allows this the data center to be built that they reap some of the benefits and that they reap some of the benefits and that they reap some of the benefits and Trump comes out and is like I think it's Trump comes out and is like I think it's Trump comes out and is like I think it's a mistake right he he said that when a mistake right he he said that when a mistake right he he said that when about Greg Abbott And he he said that about Greg Abbott And he he said that about Greg Abbott And he he said that about Kathy Hokll. He said there's all about Kathy Hokll. He said there's all about Kathy Hokll. He said there's all these governors. Josh Shapiro similarly these governors. Josh Shapiro similarly these governors. Josh Shapiro similarly also just announced another data center also just announced another data center also just announced another data center moratorum. The proponents of the data moratorum. The proponents of the data moratorum. The proponents of the data centers will attack you for speaking centers will attack you for speaking centers will attack you for speaking this way. They'll say you know better this way. They'll say you know better this way. They'll say you know better than the water use or any of that not than the water use or any of that not than the water use or any of that not being true. In some of these cases we've being true. In some of these cases we've being true. In some of these cases we've been able to lower property tax. West been able to lower property tax. West been able to lower property tax. West Virginia data centers they're looking at Virginia data centers they're looking at Virginia data centers they're looking at potentially trying to remove their own potentially trying to remove their own potentially trying to remove their own income tax. And if the the actual income tax. And if the the actual income tax. And if the the actual benefits of all of that work out, I benefits of all of that work out, I benefits of all of that work out, I would be happy. However, and this is would be happy. However, and this is would be happy. However, and this is what you're talking about with mass what you're talking about with mass what you're talking about with mass surveillance, with data, with privacy, surveillance, with data, with privacy, surveillance, with data, with privacy, is that we cannot use just the promise is that we cannot use just the promise is that we cannot use just the promise of riches to offset what could of riches to offset what could of riches to offset what could potentially be an industry, which by potentially be an industry, which by potentially be an industry, which by their own admission they say will be the their own admission they say will be the their own admission they say will be the most radical social change, economic most radical social change, economic most radical social change, economic change since the industrial revolution.

change since the industrial revolution. change since the industrial revolution. Some of their own CEOs say that they Some of their own CEOs say that they Some of their own CEOs say that they will make it so that none of us are even will make it so that none of us are even will make it so that none of us are even necessary in their future world. I know necessary in their future world. I know necessary in their future world. I know that privately they want that because that privately they want that because that privately they want that because they want to be gods. They see they want to be gods. They see they want to be gods. They see themselves as gods literally uh as themselves as gods literally uh as themselves as gods literally uh as transhumanists like their goal is to transhumanists like their goal is to transhumanists like their goal is to infuse the human in the machine and that infuse the human in the machine and that infuse the human in the machine and that they will personally be part of a ver they will personally be part of a ver they will personally be part of a ver rarified elite which is transnational rarified elite which is transnational rarified elite which is transnational above governments and so powerful that above governments and so powerful that above governments and so powerful that governments are ultimately answerable to governments are ultimately answerable to governments are ultimately answerable to them. That's where flock comes in. You them. That's where flock comes in. You them. That's where flock comes in. You and Glenn did such a great job of and Glenn did such a great job of and Glenn did such a great job of talking about that ma about mass talking about that ma about mass talking about that ma about mass surveillance and it was amazing to me surveillance and it was amazing to me surveillance and it was amazing to me you know with flock for example you know with flock for example you know with flock for example everybody talks about the crime. I I everybody talks about the crime. I I everybody talks about the crime. I I totally get it. It is very useful in totally get it. It is very useful in totally get it. It is very useful in many cases, but but the internal many cases, but but the internal many cases, but but the internal mechanisms and controls are not governed mechanisms and controls are not governed mechanisms and controls are not governed by any real federal privacy laws. A lot by any real federal privacy laws. A lot by any real federal privacy laws. A lot of it is up to these corrupt local of it is up to these corrupt local of it is up to these corrupt local sheriffs. We have all these cases of sheriffs. We have all these cases of sheriffs. We have all these cases of police officers stalking their police officers stalking their police officers stalking their ex-girlfriends or their wives while ex-girlfriends or their wives while ex-girlfriends or their wives while using the technology. Only in response using the technology. Only in response using the technology. Only in response to that do they put some safeguards in. to that do they put some safeguards in. to that do they put some safeguards in. They claim they delete some of the new They claim they delete some of the new They claim they delete some of the new their new customers data will be deleted their new customers data will be deleted their new customers data will be deleted after 7 days, not 30 days. It raises the after 7 days, not 30 days. It raises the after 7 days, not 30 days. It raises the biggest question about warrantless biggest question about warrantless biggest question about warrantless surveillance and privacy in your own surveillance and privacy in your own surveillance and privacy in your own nation to be able to move about daily nation to be able to move about daily nation to be able to move about daily lives. People say solving crimes is is lives. People say solving crimes is is lives. People say solving crimes is is worth that. I say let's at least have a worth that. I say let's at least have a worth that. I say let's at least have a real debate and guard rails and not real debate and guard rails and not real debate and guard rails and not leave it entirely up to the companies leave it entirely up to the companies leave it entirely up to the companies themselves.

themselves. themselves. >> Well, they haven't ended crime. That's >> Well, they haven't ended crime. That's >> Well, they haven't ended crime. That's for sure. for sure. for sure. >> Of [laughter] course not. Yeah. Right. >> Of [laughter] course not. Yeah. Right. >> Of [laughter] course not. Yeah. Right. >> I mean I I think Harris County, Texas >> I mean I I think Harris County, Texas >> I mean I I think Harris County, Texas has the highest or one of the highest has the highest or one of the highest has the highest or one of the highest penetrations of flock cameras. A lot of penetrations of flock cameras. A lot of penetrations of flock cameras. A lot of crime there in Houston. So like crime there in Houston. So like crime there in Houston. So like >> but I don't see Well, let me just ask >> but I don't see Well, let me just ask >> but I don't see Well, let me just ask you a question that I actually have been you a question that I actually have been you a question that I actually have been talking to someone involved in AI about talking to someone involved in AI about talking to someone involved in AI about it. This morning we just interviewed a it. This morning we just interviewed a it. This morning we just interviewed a guy called Nate Sorz who's the you know guy called Nate Sorz who's the you know guy called Nate Sorz who's the you know the guy who the guy who the guy who uh you know was a de early developer of uh you know was a de early developer of uh you know was a de early developer of AI. He's been sounding the alarm that AI. He's been sounding the alarm that AI. He's been sounding the alarm that it's out of control and super it's out of control and super it's out of control and super intelligence is a threat to humanity and intelligence is a threat to humanity and intelligence is a threat to humanity and I know you're very familiar with the I know you're very familiar with the I know you're very familiar with the argument. So he's written a new book on argument. So he's written a new book on argument. So he's written a new book on this. this. this. He doesn't have a counterpart on the He doesn't have a counterpart on the He doesn't have a counterpart on the other side. That's what strikes me. other side. That's what strikes me. other side. That's what strikes me. There's not one person I'm aware of who There's not one person I'm aware of who There's not one person I'm aware of who can explain the tangible benefits to me can explain the tangible benefits to me can explain the tangible benefits to me and other people from AI. All I hear is and other people from AI. All I hear is and other people from AI. All I hear is China, China, China, China. I don't care China, China, China, China. I don't care China, China, China, China. I don't care at all. I'm sick of your lies. China. at all. I'm sick of your lies. China. at all. I'm sick of your lies. China. Oh, shut up. Oh, shut up. Oh, shut up. >> But that's not even the beginning of an >> But that's not even the beginning of an >> But that's not even the beginning of an answer to the question, why should I answer to the question, why should I answer to the question, why should I support this?

support this? support this? >> Right. The Do you know the answer to >> Right. The Do you know the answer to >> Right. The Do you know the answer to that question? that question? that question? >> I do actually. I have a lot of friends >> I do actually. I have a lot of friends >> I do actually. I have a lot of friends in tech. in tech. in tech. >> So, what's the upside? They will the I'm >> So, what's the upside? They will the I'm >> So, what's the upside? They will the I'm it's not a vision I necessarily support. it's not a vision I necessarily support. it's not a vision I necessarily support. The best case scenario for AI the way The best case scenario for AI the way The best case scenario for AI the way that they see it is it will simply that they see it is it will simply that they see it is it will simply remove friction in our daily lives. It remove friction in our daily lives. It remove friction in our daily lives. It will be equivalent to a credit card. So will be equivalent to a credit card. So will be equivalent to a credit card. So this is the case and my friend John this is the case and my friend John this is the case and my friend John Kugan from TVPN gave me this analogy. Kugan from TVPN gave me this analogy. Kugan from TVPN gave me this analogy. He's much more bullish on AI than I am. He's much more bullish on AI than I am. He's much more bullish on AI than I am. The credit card was able to facilitate The credit card was able to facilitate The credit card was able to facilitate more transactions and ease of pay which more transactions and ease of pay which more transactions and ease of pay which doesn't just open up the ability for me doesn't just open up the ability for me doesn't just open up the ability for me to pay you. It opens up more financial to pay you. It opens up more financial to pay you. It opens up more financial transactions via the distribution of transactions via the distribution of transactions via the distribution of credit and of mass adoption of this that credit and of mass adoption of this that credit and of mass adoption of this that more businesses can be built on. Right? more businesses can be built on. Right? more businesses can be built on. Right? It is simply a workplace invention which It is simply a workplace invention which It is simply a workplace invention which unlocks productivity which creates and unlocks productivity which creates and unlocks productivity which creates and grows the pie of the amount of commerce grows the pie of the amount of commerce grows the pie of the amount of commerce that can take place in our society. that can take place in our society. that can take place in our society. That's how the I would say the best case That's how the I would say the best case That's how the I would say the best case scenario for AI. The best case scenario scenario for AI. The best case scenario scenario for AI. The best case scenario for AI is it makes white collar workers for AI is it makes white collar workers for AI is it makes white collar workers more productive at white collar work. It more productive at white collar work. It more productive at white collar work. It makes radiologists able to view more makes radiologists able to view more makes radiologists able to view more scans. They can do 30 instead of used to scans. They can do 30 instead of used to scans. They can do 30 instead of used to be able to do 15. And in some cases that be able to do 15. And in some cases that be able to do 15. And in some cases that that is true. I want to be fair. And it that is true. I want to be fair. And it that is true. I want to be fair. And it can make research tasks. For example, can make research tasks. For example, can make research tasks. For example, all the notes that I have in front of all the notes that I have in front of all the notes that I have in front of me, I had all the data from across all me, I had all the data from across all me, I had all the data from across all of my different spreadsheets because I of my different spreadsheets because I of my different spreadsheets because I research this topic and I cover it research this topic and I cover it research this topic and I cover it often. I was able to use it to compile often. I was able to use it to compile often. I was able to use it to compile all of that into one place. It would all of that into one place. It would all of that into one place. It would have taken me hours. This was able to do

have taken me hours. This was able to do have taken me hours. This was able to do it in five minutes. So that very it in five minutes. So that very it in five minutes. So that very productive right in terms of what it's productive right in terms of what it's productive right in terms of what it's able to gain that is the best case able to gain that is the best case able to gain that is the best case scenario for AI is it is a workplace scenario for AI is it is a workplace scenario for AI is it is a workplace productivity tool now and this is what I productivity tool now and this is what I productivity tool now and this is what I would say also to my friends what else would say also to my friends what else would say also to my friends what else did the credit card industry give us so did the credit card industry give us so did the credit card industry give us so yes it facilitated more transactions it yes it facilitated more transactions it yes it facilitated more transactions it eased payments between individuals it eased payments between individuals it eased payments between individuals it made you know settlement of transactions made you know settlement of transactions made you know settlement of transactions between by Visa make it so that even between by Visa make it so that even between by Visa make it so that even disputes and all that can be resolved disputes and all that can be resolved disputes and all that can be resolved but what do you talk about often with but what do you talk about often with but what do you talk about often with credit card credit card credit card >> 70 something% of people ended up in debt >> 70 something% of people ended up in debt >> 70 something% of people ended up in debt >> saves and the idea that the problem with >> saves and the idea that the problem with >> saves and the idea that the problem with America is we don't have enough America is we don't have enough America is we don't have enough commerce, commerce, commerce, >> right? [laughter] >> right? [laughter] >> right? [laughter] >> We don't have enough creativity. We >> We don't have enough creativity. We >> We don't have enough creativity. We don't have enough don't have enough don't have enough >> contemplative time. We don't have enough >> contemplative time. We don't have enough >> contemplative time. We don't have enough love between people. We don't have love between people. We don't have love between people. We don't have enough commerce. Are you joking? We have enough commerce. Are you joking? We have enough commerce. Are you joking? We have a lot of commerce, a lot of commerce, a lot of commerce, >> right? And so the argument is that >> right? And so the argument is that >> right? And so the argument is that technology will remove friction. But technology will remove friction. But technology will remove friction. But what we have seen is technology removes what we have seen is technology removes what we have seen is technology removes friction in some ways but introduces it friction in some ways but introduces it friction in some ways but introduces it in a variety of others. in a variety of others. in a variety of others. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Email. Nobody was able to get in touch.

>> Email. Nobody was able to get in touch. >> Email. Nobody was able to get in touch. If you in the 1970s when you left your If you in the 1970s when you left your If you in the 1970s when you left your job, somebody would have to call you on job, somebody would have to call you on job, somebody would have to call you on the phone if something happens after the phone if something happens after the phone if something happens after 5:00 p.m. Now, everybody just sends an 5:00 p.m. Now, everybody just sends an 5:00 p.m. Now, everybody just sends an email. People are, if you know, white email. People are, if you know, white email. People are, if you know, white collar workers, they're slaves to their collar workers, they're slaves to their collar workers, they're slaves to their phones. Uh, and they're slaves to their phones. Uh, and they're slaves to their phones. Uh, and they're slaves to their phones, not just for work purposes, but phones, not just for work purposes, but phones, not just for work purposes, but they also have gambling entertainment they also have gambling entertainment they also have gambling entertainment and Instagram reels and Tik Tok. And you and Instagram reels and Tik Tok. And you and Instagram reels and Tik Tok. And you end up focusing so much on this device end up focusing so much on this device end up focusing so much on this device that you forget all of the other things that you forget all of the other things that you forget all of the other things that are around you, that are around you, that are around you, >> like your wife and your children. >> like your wife and your children. >> like your wife and your children. children. children. children. >> One of the most liberating things I ever >> One of the most liberating things I ever >> One of the most liberating things I ever did was get rid of email. did was get rid of email. did was get rid of email. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> 10 years ago, no email. And >> 10 years ago, no email. And >> 10 years ago, no email. And >> I don't know. I don't think it's made me >> I don't know. I don't think it's made me >> I don't know. I don't think it's made me less productive. I think it's made me less productive. I think it's made me less productive. I think it's made me more productive. more productive. more productive. >> Right. And and you're and you're in the >> Right. And and you're and you're in the >> Right. And and you're and you're in the position to do that. But there are a lot position to do that. But there are a lot position to do that. But there are a lot of people who are of people who are of people who are >> No, it's a privilege. I agree. And I I'm >> No, it's a privilege. I agree. And I I'm >> No, it's a privilege. I agree. And I I'm very aware of that. very aware of that. very aware of that. >> Right. And and I always think I don't >> Right. And and I always think I don't >> Right. And and I always think I don't I'm also in a position where I'm my own I'm also in a position where I'm my own I'm also in a position where I'm my own boss. I can do what I want. That's an boss. I can do what I want. That's an boss. I can do what I want. That's an incredible feeling. I don't take that incredible feeling. I don't take that incredible feeling. I don't take that for granted for a single day with that for granted for a single day with that for granted for a single day with that because I know so many people who are because I know so many people who are because I know so many people who are living in effective wage slavery who are living in effective wage slavery who are living in effective wage slavery who are chained to the desk and they're making chained to the desk and they're making chained to the desk and they're making good money but they're spending all that good money but they're spending all that good money but they're spending all that money because they need to be able to money because they need to be able to money because they need to be able to buy a home or to support their child or buy a home or to support their child or buy a home or to support their child or pay for daycare. Their wife has to work pay for daycare. Their wife has to work pay for daycare. Their wife has to work even though she doesn't want to work. Uh even though she doesn't want to work. Uh even though she doesn't want to work. Uh and that's tragedy actually to me. And and that's tragedy actually to me. And and that's tragedy actually to me. And so what our system has done is when they so what our system has done is when they so what our system has done is when they say productivity they want to make that say productivity they want to make that say productivity they want to make that person more productive. What I want to person more productive. What I want to person more productive. What I want to do is to give that person more leisure do is to give that person more leisure do is to give that person more leisure or more ability to the extent that or more ability to the extent that or more ability to the extent that they're more productive. I want them to they're more productive. I want them to they're more productive. I want them to be able to use that productivity to make be able to use that productivity to make be able to use that productivity to make up the time and spend it with their up the time and spend it with their up the time and spend it with their kids. There was a viral uh there was a

kids. There was a viral uh there was a kids. There was a viral uh there was a viral interaction. I think it was Sam viral interaction. I think it was Sam viral interaction. I think it was Sam Alman who was talking about being able Alman who was talking about being able Alman who was talking about being able to create custom podcasts that he said to create custom podcasts that he said to create custom podcasts that he said parents could listen to these custom parents could listen to these custom parents could listen to these custom podcasts in the car with their children podcasts in the car with their children podcasts in the car with their children to use chatbt the calendars and all of to use chatbt the calendars and all of to use chatbt the calendars and all of that and play that podcast. He said, "I that and play that podcast. He said, "I that and play that podcast. He said, "I could imagine some I might butcher this, could imagine some I might butcher this, could imagine some I might butcher this, but it's like the ability to play that but it's like the ability to play that but it's like the ability to play that custom cache petite podcast while the custom cache petite podcast while the custom cache petite podcast while the parent drives their kid to school." And parent drives their kid to school." And parent drives their kid to school." And any real parent is like, "I don't want any real parent is like, "I don't want any real parent is like, "I don't want to do any of that." to do any of that." to do any of that." >> Well, imagine a world in which you're >> Well, imagine a world in which you're >> Well, imagine a world in which you're getting [snorts] parenting advice from getting [snorts] parenting advice from getting [snorts] parenting advice from Sam Alman. Exactly. Sam Alman. Exactly. Sam Alman. Exactly. >> No. Honestly, like a normal society be >> No. Honestly, like a normal society be >> No. Honestly, like a normal society be like, "Hey, take a pass on that Sam like, "Hey, take a pass on that Sam like, "Hey, take a pass on that Sam Alman." Alman." Alman." >> When I drive my kid to school, if I when >> When I drive my kid to school, if I when >> When I drive my kid to school, if I when I drive my kid to school, I want to ask I drive my kid to school, I want to ask I drive my kid to school, I want to ask her how her day is. her how her day is. her how her day is. >> Yeah. Go fix my washing machine, son. I >> Yeah. Go fix my washing machine, son. I >> Yeah. Go fix my washing machine, son. I don't What are you weighing in on stuff don't What are you weighing in on stuff don't What are you weighing in on stuff you don't understand? do not tell me how you don't understand? do not tell me how you don't understand? do not tell me how I should be interacting with my child on I should be interacting with my child on I should be interacting with my child on the drive. the drive. the drive. >> But that's what ultimately their vision >> But that's what ultimately their vision >> But that's what ultimately their vision for society is depersonalized and is for society is depersonalized and is for society is depersonalized and is entirely sacrificed to the phone which entirely sacrificed to the phone which entirely sacrificed to the phone which ultimately is to their profit. is that ultimately is to their profit. is that ultimately is to their profit. is that the more time I spend on chat GPT, the the more time I spend on chat GPT, the the more time I spend on chat GPT, the more ads they can serve me of on the more ads they can serve me of on the more ads they can serve me of on the free version, the more of my data that free version, the more of my data that free version, the more of my data that they can suck up, the more that they they can suck up, the more that they they can suck up, the more that they could potentially there's no could potentially there's no could potentially there's no restrictions really on any of that data.

restrictions really on any of that data. restrictions really on any of that data. They can do anything they want. Uh you They can do anything they want. Uh you They can do anything they want. Uh you know how many people have there have know how many people have there have know how many people have there have been cases lawyers have used Chat GPT been cases lawyers have used Chat GPT been cases lawyers have used Chat GPT and they end up saying that's not and they end up saying that's not and they end up saying that's not privileged and so they're able to privileged and so they're able to privileged and so they're able to subpoena some of your privileged subpoena some of your privileged subpoena some of your privileged information. Nobody knew that. Nobody information. Nobody knew that. Nobody information. Nobody knew that. Nobody even thought about it whenever they were even thought about it whenever they were even thought about it whenever they were using it for that purposes. And so the using it for that purposes. And so the using it for that purposes. And so the amount of our personal lives that we amount of our personal lives that we amount of our personal lives that we give over to these things and then we give over to these things and then we give over to these things and then we allow it to make decisions for allow it to make decisions for allow it to make decisions for ourselves. I think one of the real ourselves. I think one of the real ourselves. I think one of the real lessons I've learned as an adult is that lessons I've learned as an adult is that lessons I've learned as an adult is that friction itself is learning and that friction itself is learning and that friction itself is learning and that there is deep joy on the other side of there is deep joy on the other side of there is deep joy on the other side of it. But you have you have to you know in it. But you have you have to you know in it. But you have you have to you know in this modern world you have to you have this modern world you have to you have this modern world you have to you have to intentionally put yourself in a to intentionally put yourself in a to intentionally put yourself in a situation because it is too easy to situation because it is too easy to situation because it is too easy to outsource your thinking just to AI. It's outsource your thinking just to AI. It's outsource your thinking just to AI. It's too easy to just outsource your too easy to just outsource your too easy to just outsource your entertainment necessarily to gambling entertainment necessarily to gambling entertainment necessarily to gambling what everybody else and all of that are what everybody else and all of that are what everybody else and all of that are doing. It's a it's a seems an easy way doing. It's a it's a seems an easy way doing. It's a it's a seems an easy way to get rich but the system everything is to get rich but the system everything is to get rich but the system everything is designed to be extractive from you. And designed to be extractive from you. And designed to be extractive from you. And so what do I want from our leaders? I so what do I want from our leaders? I so what do I want from our leaders? I want them to end that. I want them to want them to end that. I want them to want them to end that. I want them to create a society where, you know, create a society where, you know, create a society where, you know, everybody at home is not a slave to everybody at home is not a slave to everybody at home is not a slave to their phone or to gambling or to any their phone or to gambling or to any their phone or to gambling or to any other extractive means to be able to other extractive means to be able to other extractive means to be able to spend time with their families. To be spend time with their families. To be spend time with their families. To be able to do it on a modest budget. We're able to do it on a modest budget. We're able to do it on a modest budget. We're not saying it's for free, but on a not saying it's for free, but on a not saying it's for free, but on a modest budget to be able to take a modest budget to be able to take a modest budget to be able to take a vacation or two. And then the most vacation or two. And then the most vacation or two. And then the most important thing that your child will important thing that your child will important thing that your child will grow up and have a better life than you grow up and have a better life than you grow up and have a better life than you do, which has been broken of the social do, which has been broken of the social do, which has been broken of the social contract since my generation, the contract since my generation, the contract since my generation, the millennial. That's exactly right.

millennial. That's exactly right. millennial. That's exactly right. >> So, I just a couple more very quick >> So, I just a couple more very quick >> So, I just a couple more very quick questions about politics because you questions about politics because you questions about politics because you follow it closely. follow it closely. follow it closely. >> Do you think that there is a sizable >> Do you think that there is a sizable >> Do you think that there is a sizable number of Trump voters, 2024 Trump number of Trump voters, 2024 Trump number of Trump voters, 2024 Trump voters, who would vote for DSA voters, who would vote for DSA voters, who would vote for DSA candidates? candidates? candidates? >> I've thought about this a lot. We don't >> I've thought about this a lot. We don't >> I've thought about this a lot. We don't have enough evidence yet. Michigan will have enough evidence yet. Michigan will have enough evidence yet. Michigan will be the big test. There was a sizable be the big test. There was a sizable be the big test. There was a sizable contingent of Trump Mum Donni voters. I contingent of Trump Mum Donni voters. I contingent of Trump Mum Donni voters. I do know this. We interviewed many of do know this. We interviewed many of do know this. We interviewed many of them on our show. Uh we sent our them on our show. Uh we sent our them on our show. Uh we sent our producer out, found many of them. producer out, found many of them. producer out, found many of them. There's there's a decent overlap There's there's a decent overlap There's there's a decent overlap actually maybe 10 15% or so of the actually maybe 10 15% or so of the actually maybe 10 15% or so of the people who ended up voting for Mamani or people who ended up voting for Mamani or people who ended up voting for Mamani or AOC even who voted for Trump. All of it AOC even who voted for Trump. All of it AOC even who voted for Trump. All of it came down to the anti-war position. I do came down to the anti-war position. I do came down to the anti-war position. I do think specifically on issue contingent think specifically on issue contingent think specifically on issue contingent things like Israel, the war with Iran. things like Israel, the war with Iran. things like Israel, the war with Iran. There is a massive swing group which in There is a massive swing group which in There is a massive swing group which in our modern politics is everything. The our modern politics is everything. The our modern politics is everything. The ability to swing even 2% of the ability to swing even 2% of the ability to swing even 2% of the electorate is the difference between electorate is the difference between electorate is the difference between winning or losing in half the states winning or losing in half the states winning or losing in half the states that Trump won in 2024. So if you're that Trump won in 2024. So if you're that Trump won in 2024. So if you're asking me is that contingent the asking me is that contingent the asking me is that contingent the independent contingent available I would independent contingent available I would independent contingent available I would say yes. But I do think that many say yes. But I do think that many say yes. But I do think that many conservatives harbor a dream a sad a conservatives harbor a dream a sad a conservatives harbor a dream a sad a dream which is I I wish for too but dream which is I I wish for too but dream which is I I wish for too but which is just not reality where Fox News which is just not reality where Fox News which is just not reality where Fox News hardened boomers. Are they going to hardened boomers. Are they going to hardened boomers. Are they going to vote? Let's put DSA out of it. Are are vote? Let's put DSA out of it. Are are vote? Let's put DSA out of it. Are are they not going to vote or are they going they not going to vote or are they going they not going to vote or are they going to turn on Trump? We haven't seen enough to turn on Trump? We haven't seen enough to turn on Trump? We haven't seen enough evidence of that. We just haven't seen evidence of that. We just haven't seen evidence of that. We just haven't seen enough evidence in terms of the support enough evidence in terms of the support enough evidence in terms of the support for the war with the 65 plus coalition.

for the war with the 65 plus coalition. for the war with the 65 plus coalition. Self-identified MAGA still seems very Self-identified MAGA still seems very Self-identified MAGA still seems very appreciative of Trump like Trump. Now, appreciative of Trump like Trump. Now, appreciative of Trump like Trump. Now, the argument there would be the argument there would be the argument there would be selfidentified MAGA is a much more selfidentified MAGA is a much more selfidentified MAGA is a much more restricted group than where it used to restricted group than where it used to restricted group than where it used to be before. Yes. Uh and and I wouldn't be before. Yes. Uh and and I wouldn't be before. Yes. Uh and and I wouldn't make that argument because I say that make that argument because I say that make that argument because I say that the independent people out of that, but the independent people out of that, but the independent people out of that, but the people who are still in are very the people who are still in are very the people who are still in are very much in. Thomas Massie actually said much in. Thomas Massie actually said much in. Thomas Massie actually said that to me. He said that the reality is that to me. He said that the reality is that to me. He said that the reality is is that the Republican primary voter was is that the Republican primary voter was is that the Republican primary voter was still willing to go with Trump on Israel still willing to go with Trump on Israel still willing to go with Trump on Israel and with with Trump with the Adles and and with with Trump with the Adles and and with with Trump with the Adles and with Israel on the Iran war and they with Israel on the Iran war and they with Israel on the Iran war and they were able to vote him out of office and were able to vote him out of office and were able to vote him out of office and he lamented that fact specifically about he lamented that fact specifically about he lamented that fact specifically about elderly Republicans and so I just want elderly Republicans and so I just want elderly Republicans and so I just want to break the midterms right to break the midterms right to break the midterms right >> I don't know I don't know because Trump >> I don't know I don't know because Trump >> I don't know I don't know because Trump is how will he respond to the midterms I is how will he respond to the midterms I is how will he respond to the midterms I mean is there going to be mean is there going to be mean is there going to be self-reflection or is it just self-reflection or is it just self-reflection or is it just >> by launching a ground war with launching >> by launching a ground war with launching >> by launching a ground war with launching a ground war. Uh he will be the most and a ground war. Uh he will be the most and a ground war. Uh he will be the most and this is part of the foolishness where do this is part of the foolishness where do this is part of the foolishness where do I wonder like do they have any I wonder like do they have any I wonder like do they have any self-preservation instincts? You were self-preservation instincts? You were self-preservation instincts? You were around for Clinton uh 98 onwards. That's around for Clinton uh 98 onwards. That's around for Clinton uh 98 onwards. That's your life, Mr. President. That's what your life, Mr. President. That's what your life, Mr. President. That's what your life is going to be like uh under a your life is going to be like uh under a your life is going to be like uh under a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate Democratic House and a Democratic Senate Democratic House and a Democratic Senate and a House. Good luck to you, sir. The and a House. Good luck to you, sir. The and a House. Good luck to you, sir. The amount of money if you're appointees, I amount of money if you're appointees, I amount of money if you're appointees, I hope you all saved a lot of money. Your hope you all saved a lot of money. Your hope you all saved a lot of money. Your legal fees are going to be insane. I legal fees are going to be insane. I legal fees are going to be insane. I hope you all signed up for legal hope you all signed up for legal hope you all signed up for legal insurance. If you served in Doge or ICE insurance. If you served in Doge or ICE insurance. If you served in Doge or ICE or in the Pentagon or any of these, you or in the Pentagon or any of these, you or in the Pentagon or any of these, you will be called before the Congress. You will be called before the Congress. You will be called before the Congress. You will be inundated by subpoena. There will be inundated by subpoena. There will be inundated by subpoena. There will be independent councils and all

will be independent councils and all will be independent councils and all kinds of absolute insanity waged against kinds of absolute insanity waged against kinds of absolute insanity waged against you and it's your fault uh for allowing you and it's your fault uh for allowing you and it's your fault uh for allowing the country to get to a position where the country to get to a position where the country to get to a position where something like that could be elevated. something like that could be elevated. something like that could be elevated. That that will be what his life is going That that will be what his life is going That that will be what his life is going to look like. his last two years in to look like. his last two years in to look like. his last two years in office if where things trend if things office if where things trend if things office if where things trend if things are trending in the way I think they're are trending in the way I think they're are trending in the way I think they're trending trending trending >> and you think they'll lose the Senate >> and you think they'll lose the Senate >> and you think they'll lose the Senate >> it's it's possible it's I'm not 100 that >> it's it's possible it's I'm not 100 that >> it's it's possible it's I'm not 100 that one there's still structural advantages one there's still structural advantages one there's still structural advantages for some of the Republicans it depends for some of the Republicans it depends for some of the Republicans it depends on the course of the Iran war I would on the course of the Iran war I would on the course of the Iran war I would say the gas price there probably matters say the gas price there probably matters say the gas price there probably matters more than anything but we're close more than anything but we're close more than anything but we're close enough where I don't you know Iran gets enough where I don't you know Iran gets enough where I don't you know Iran gets a vote in this war I two it'd be very a vote in this war I two it'd be very a vote in this war I two it'd be very hard to go from economic D-Day back to hard to go from economic D-Day back to hard to go from economic D-Day back to $3.50 50 cents gasoline. So in the $3.50 50 cents gasoline. So in the $3.50 50 cents gasoline. So in the reality of where things seem to be reality of where things seem to be reality of where things seem to be going, I would at least say this, they going, I would at least say this, they going, I would at least say this, they have a 50% chance, which is 25% higher have a 50% chance, which is 25% higher have a 50% chance, which is 25% higher than it should have been. And so if they than it should have been. And so if they than it should have been. And so if they have a 50% chance, maybe even a little have a 50% chance, maybe even a little have a 50% chance, maybe even a little bit more of that, to be able to take the bit more of that, to be able to take the bit more of that, to be able to take the Senate, we could even see 08 style of a Senate, we could even see 08 style of a Senate, we could even see 08 style of a takeover. I I could see that. I mean, in takeover. I I could see that. I mean, in takeover. I I could see that. I mean, in my bell curve of possibilities, if my bell curve of possibilities, if my bell curve of possibilities, if things go dramatically in one vision, things go dramatically in one vision, things go dramatically in one vision, you can see Texas going Democratic, you can see Texas going Democratic, you can see Texas going Democratic, especially with especially with especially with >> Yeah. especially with you got Abbott and >> Yeah. especially with you got Abbott and >> Yeah. especially with you got Abbott and Paxton and there's enough drama there.

Paxton and there's enough drama there. Paxton and there's enough drama there. You could see Alaska. There's actually You could see Alaska. There's actually You could see Alaska. There's actually some questions that are up there. some questions that are up there. some questions that are up there. >> Uh you could see I mean I I saw a crazy >> Uh you could see I mean I I saw a crazy >> Uh you could see I mean I I saw a crazy poll out of Kansas. Who knows if it's poll out of Kansas. Who knows if it's poll out of Kansas. Who knows if it's true. Could have just been leaked true. Could have just been leaked true. Could have just been leaked Democratic opposition. But as you Democratic opposition. But as you Democratic opposition. But as you remember from 2008, you can have remember from 2008, you can have remember from 2008, you can have Democratic senators in all kinds of Democratic senators in all kinds of Democratic senators in all kinds of places. Uh which you never would think places. Uh which you never would think places. Uh which you never would think even possible. And maybe, you know, even possible. And maybe, you know, even possible. And maybe, you know, we're still too partisan of a country, we're still too partisan of a country, we're still too partisan of a country, but people are very upset. There's a but people are very upset. There's a but people are very upset. There's a combination of people being very upset combination of people being very upset combination of people being very upset and then a combination of people being and then a combination of people being and then a combination of people being very demoralized and then even the very demoralized and then even the very demoralized and then even the hardcore ones, why do they come out to hardcore ones, why do they come out to hardcore ones, why do they come out to vote? Because Trump is not on the vote? Because Trump is not on the vote? Because Trump is not on the ballot. And that is a perfect storm for ballot. And that is a perfect storm for ballot. And that is a perfect storm for those three things to come together for those three things to come together for those three things to come together for a potential situation like the one I a potential situation like the one I a potential situation like the one I just laid out. just laid out. just laid out. >> It sounds right to me. >> It sounds right to me. >> It sounds right to me. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I'll check poly market for the odds. >> I'll check poly market for the odds. >> I'll check poly market for the odds. [laughter] Sucker, thank you for that. [laughter] Sucker, thank you for that. [laughter] Sucker, thank you for that. Was so smart and thank you, Tucker. Was so smart and thank you, Tucker. Was so smart and thank you, Tucker. Needed. I appreciate it.