BREAKING: Congress Moves to Commit Treason and Allow Israel to Forever Enslave America’s Military

Dennis Gus, thank you for doing this. So, a lot of  us who've been paying half attention keep hearing   that there's an effort in the Congress to in  some basic sense merge the US military with   the IDF with the Israeli military. Same with our  intelligence services. It's hard to believe that   could be true. Is it true? What do you know about  it? Well, uh, the National Defense Authorization   Act of, uh, 2027, section 219 has a provision that  provides for the integration of the IDF and the   uh, US military at the top most sensitive  levels of our of our military operations. And   uh, that is a fact. Now, when you're when you  have an integration and you say you're going   to eliminate duplication, that's a merger. And  so, they're merging. And uh the the US military   and Israeli military. Yeah. at at and and in in  specific areas like uh artificial intelligence and   autonomous functioning of of vehicles, you know,  that u that will increase the kill efficiency,   right? Yes. Uh in um uh quantum sensing that deals  with very sophisticated uh data and will um blur   the distinction between offense and defense.  Okay. Um cyber electronic war is another area  

they they they want to merge in which um you  can't really um you know if you if you take AI   uh and you match it with these sophisticated  technologies uh you expand the ability to hurt   people really kill people um you know  they want to u merge uh missile defense space defense, um, directed energy, there  a whole range of things and biological um,   technology, including biological potential  biological warfare. What could go wrong,   right? See, and and I I  look at it this way, Tucker, the first issue is American sovereignty. I  don't care Israel or whoever. We should we   need to maintain our sovereignty. We cannot cause  another country to be involved in the decision-m   that relate to the national security of the United  States of America. Yes, we have to be singular and   solitary in that regard. Unfortunately, uh this  provision in this bill uh all the safeguards go   out the window and essentially it's a merger and  you know one step from a merger is an acquisition.   I I am. Yeah. Really, you know, think about that.  I I And think about this too in this context. We   had kind of a quasi uh kind of a practice run of  this merger in Iran. Look what happened. You know,  

the the Israel uh the United States at the  behead of Israel goes in and attacks Iran.   Yeah. working with Israel on this. It ended up  being a disaster on so many different levels.   So that's what we've already found out from  that kind of a cooperation, let's say. And   now imagine if you get two parties together  and they go forward from there, what you know,   again, what could go wrong? The United States must  remain sovereign. We must not in any way seed this   uh idea uh of um uh Israel being integrated uh the  militaries of the US and Israel being integrated.   The other thing is it's unconstitutional. I mean  really you they bypass the treaty mechanism. You   know we join NATO as a treaty. Yes. There's no  treaty here. It's just in legislation. This should   be going to the Senate at least for approval.  Not so just they will put in legislation make it   happen and also people you know the president is  the commander-in-chief of US armed forces each of   whom take an oath to defend the constitution first  of all Israel doesn't have a constitution and   secondly they're not taking any oath to the United  States of America to protect our interest so what   is this about why are we becoming more vulnerable  to a nation whose you know whose military   values are so distinct from ours. Well, I mean,  there's so many levels here. I mean, on just on  

to address that, of all the militaries you could  merge with, why pick the only one on the planet   that's currently committing genocide? I mean, it  does seem grotesque. of all the militaries on the   planet, right? Um so, uh it does seem like this  changes the dynamic between the United States and   Israel completely were it to become law because  as it presently stands, the United States is   Israel's benefactor. Israel can't fight seven wars  or whatever how many fronts they have at any given   time without the United States paying for most  of it, which we do. Um and so we can withdraw   the support and and thereby control at least  theoretically control Israel's behavior. We never   have but we could. This would if it becomes law  integrate the militaries to to such an extent that   the United States would actually be at the mercy  of Israel. So Israel withdraws technology and the   United States military is hamstrung. So it would  actually put Israel in the driver's seat. That's   right. 100% correct. and and as such it's adverse  to the national security interest of the United   States of America. Um we cannot be in a situation  where um there's no oversight. Congress is out of   the picture once this thing passes. What does that  mean? How? What it means is that this is run in   the defense department with a coordinator and that  just like the daily business of the department  

of defense is moves on. This becomes part of the  daily business. This integration is coordination.   So no more no more votes. No, not on these  matters. No. And and even more important is this. The National Defense Authorization Act authorizes  $1.5 trillion annually. 80% of the discretionary   budget of the United States of America is now  going for military. I I mean that's horrific   to begin with. 80% of America's discretionary  budget, total discretionary budget is going to   the discretionary budget of the United States  of America is about $1.9 trillion. You know,   we can we can spend money on education. We can  spend money on healthcare. We can spend money   on food, nutrition programs, infrastructure.  Infrastructure. Yes. Or we can choose to spend   money on a military. And President Trump has made  his own case that uh well, you know, we've got to   protect our country, but there's questions as  to whether this is in our national security   interest. And $1.5 trillion annually. That is a  67% increase. Over the previous year, the budget   was $900 billion. Now it's 1.5 trillion. Think  of that increase of 600 billion in one year.   Plus, we now have a department of war. Plus,  Israel would then have access not just to  

the four billion that we give them in in military  assistance. They have access to the whole McGilla   to everything. We're we will be opening up the  possibility of of Israel having influence over a   $1.5 trillion annual budget. I feel sick hearing  this. First of all, we just lost a war with   Iran with Iran, right? Which has an economy, you  know, of the size of an American state. Okay? So,   you would think at that point someone would  say, "Let's not continue feeding a system that   is failing. Let's stop and assess where  the money went the first time before we,   you know, up the budget, right? I mean,  clearly what we're doing isn't working,   right?" You would think. Okay. And this would  give Israel influence over that entire over 80% of   America's discretionary. Again, let's let's look  at uh you know counter drones, anti- tunneling,   uh directed energy, uh AI, autonomous weapons,  cyber technology, electronic warfare, the national   security architecture of the future. the future  here it is you know we're going to share it really   and also you have to remember that Israel um was  a conduit for taking technology from America and  

sending it to China there's no guarantees in  this agreement that they can't and the Soviet   Union I mean Jonathan Pard's secrets which he  stole from the United States military from the   Navy wound up in the hands of our arch rivals  the Soviets because you don't have to spy or   steal if everything's open and you're right at  the you have a seat at the table do Uh and you   know this is and then as you pointed out earlier  Tucker ethic cleansing genocide these are partners   all because we're not just you know taking in  um their um IDF let's say we're taking in the   values that we've seen demonstrated or lack of  values on you know moral law, international law. How do we what does it say about us as a country  if we want this kind of a partnership in in the   largest expenditures of US tax dollars of any  single area in terms of uh especially with respect   to our defense cost of living is already making it  hard to live here and it's not getting any better.   Unfortunately, it's likely to get worse. And a  lot of Americans fill the gap with credit cards,   not just for fancy dinners, but to cover  things like groceries and bills. That is   a disaster. It's understandable, but don't go  down that road because there is a tax in effect,   a survival tax of 20% interest or more. Why would  you do that? Why would you hand money to the big  

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was over $1 trillion in accounts that could not be  reconciled." That was in 1997. They they couldn't   keep track of over trillion dollars. Today,  it's multiple trillions. You know, it's they   had like,00 different accounting systems in the  Pentagon. there. It's engineered to where money   might just disappear. You get it's engineered  to evade oversight. There's no way right now.   Right now it is. So this time if if um if we  bring Israel into the picture and create this   merger at the top of the most sensitive aspects  of our national security, our national defense,   where's that going to go? So you know, you're  you're you're merging, you're integrating, you're   eliminating duplication uh in the context of a  country that's involved in genocide and ethnic   cleansing. So what so what do they gain from this?  They gain weapons endurance. Okay? Because they   get these weapons system which they may not have  access to right now. They'll have intelligence   depth that they don't have right now. Uh they'll  have AI targeting capacity that they may or may   not have right now. Uh they will um there's no  diplomatic deterrence, right? I mean it because   the game's going to be led by the Department of  Defense. the Department of State is is going to be   further diminished by this for sure. Uh you have  um um you know the Wait, can I just ask what what  

about you know the Secretary of War, the Secretary  of State, cabinet secretaries, House and Senate   leaders, everyone in the White House, like they're  all on board with giving a foreign country control   over our military. Who knows who's on board?  It's in the legislation now and they vote for it,   it's it's law. Uh, this entangles our military and  whatever Israel chooses to do. They want to go to   war against Egypt. They want to go to war against  Turkey as part of this ex Zionist expansion. Hey,   we're pulled right along. Well, then our country  then becomes a target. Our country then becomes   vulnerable based on anything Israel chooses to  do because we are partners then and we have no   control over that. we don't have any control over  what they'll do. That's like a fantastic thinking   that we can bring them into the military and  all of a sudden we're going to control them. No,   the way you control them is to keep keep the  IDF at bay and uh and try to work out some   kind of diplomatic relations which really aren't  working out right now because otherwise why would   you have so many dead people in Palestine and and  in Lebanon? There is no diplomacy going on. It's   basically a license to kill that Israel has paid  for by us. Yeah, absolutely. Can I just go back?   I have too many questions. Um to your description  of the US defense budget as 80% of discretionary   spending, which I didn't know, which is like hard  to believe. The United States is um prosperous   largely because it's isolated from threats by  the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans. Basically,  

the United States the threats that it faces were  going to come from Canada or Mexico really. and   those are, you know, not um existential at the  moment. So why would the United States spend 80%   of its discretionary budget on defense? That's  crazy. Well, it it undermines um I think the   um constitutional imperative of the United  States. We the people of the United States,   you know, it like it laid out certain purposes  of governance, provide for the common defense,   but that wasn't the only thing. Okay? Promote  the general welfare, ensure the blessings of   liberty. We're moving away from that. It if it all  becomes about defense, what happens? And and what   is happening now? There's specific things that  have happened. Um, we've seen healthcare. Can I   correct you and say it's not defense anymore,  it's war. It's not the Department of Defense.   It's the Department of Defense. It's Department  of Thank you. Because I mean that's right. It's   it's it is because if it's about defense, the  United States is defended by geography mostly.   It's defended by oceans, by its lack of physical  proximity to people who hate it. So like we're   pretty safe. Always have been. Probably the safest  country in the world. But that's it. But it's not   about defense. It's about war. And and because  it's more about war than ever, how do you measure   that? You measure that by how much money you  allocate. Again, $900 billion were allocated in  

2000 for the 2026 Department of Defense now war.  this year, $1.5 trillion, and it constitutes 80%   of discretionary spending. So, what's happened?  We've seen cuts in healthcare. They've cut back   administration of the Affordable Care Act. They've  cut back uh uh the CDC lost about three three half   billion dollars. Uh the um education has just been  wrecked. the kind of benefits that were out there   uh in the education department. We we saw the work  study program. I I took a work study program when   I was just starting my college career. I worked at  a plane dealer in Cleveland for a while and worked   uh and and went to Cleveland State. They  cut this funding 90%. So all these young   people who want to, you know, who want to get  educational experience and work at the same time,   they're not going to be able to do that.  There's programs that affect uh uh the poor   uh that would enable young people to reach  up and get an education that they've cut   uh their specialized education funds. They cut  out the whole divisions. They there's a lot of   uh uh programs that have been cut in education.  They've cut job pro training programs, Tucker.   And all this uh goes, you know, by I think it was  job training is about 3.7 billion they've cut from   that. They've cut nutrition program, you know,  feeding people, feeding the food stamp program,  

which, you know, largely has kept a lot of  Americans fed. They've cut that by about 6.3   billion. And then with that, there's reductions  in the women's and infant children's nutrition   programs. What are we becoming as a nation  when we arm ourselves to the teeth, inevitably   benefiting all these defense contractors, and  leave the American people defenseless at home,   defenseless against poverty, defenseless against  ill health, defenseless against being illucated.   That's the real strength of our country. We're  letting that go. And so my my sense is that it's   it's bad enough that 1.5 trillion is going  to go primarily to these arms manufacturers.   Okay? Because because those are capital inensive  expenditures. And at the same time, here comes   Israel right inside the Department of Defense  at the most sensitive technological areas, most   sensitive security issues, and they're right there  helping to direct what America does at exactly the   moment when the American public has made it very  clear, we don't want this, right? You know what's   really rare these days? a company that makes  things in America. Not just designed in America,   conceived in America, assembled in America, but  actually made in America, start to finish, in a   factory with American workers. Brooklyn Bedding is  that company. Every mattress from Brooklyn Bedding  

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that we've had a relationship that goes back  at least to 1948, you know, at to 1948 and then   going forward from there and more recently, you  know, Israel saw to their advantage to encourage   the United States to go to war against Iraq. I  mean, Benjamin Netanyahu sat in front of me in   a government oversight committee and articulated  reasons in September of 2002 why the United States   should go to war against Iraq. And he also said, I  asked him, who else would you attack? And he said,   uh, Iran and Libya in committee. You can go to the  internet and find that. this there's a different   uh imperative that Netanyahu has than what our  aspirations are for our country. The people of   Israel have to make their own decisions. But they  cannot decide for us. We have to have autonomy   here. We have to have sovereignty. And and I fear  for the future of our country. If we bring in   uh you know these this genocidal group that has  shown no compunction about murdering children,   shooting them in the head in the chest, laughing  about it, celebrating their uh uh dominance over   defenseless people. It it goes beyond being  heartbreaking. It's insane. And we need to push   back. people should be calling their congressman  and and saying do not vote for this uh bill vote,  

you know, force an amendment to be made to take  it out uh take that provision out of the bill and   if they uh won't do it, vote against the bill.  I mean, I would vote against the bill anyway.   I I voted against almost every single expenditure  for these kinds of things when I was in Congress,   Ducker, because I knew it was a scam. I knew the  people of the United States were getting hosed by   these defense contractors and it and it became  a racket. You know, it's asmetly Butler said it   years ago. War is a racket. So, this is a racket.  We got pulled in one war after another. We didn't   have to be in and then Israel was coaxing it  all along. And a Middle East region is going   to end up in a worse confilration if they come  inside because they'll be leading the dance when   it comes to making strategic decisions uh in that  region. That's just it's happening right now. They   have that kind of influence. But this locks it  in. This is formal. This is the law. And uh what   happens to our country? my concerns about America.  I don't you know I I consider myself a citizen of   the world but I am an American and I don't want  anybody trying to influence our country to do one   thing or another. We make our own decisions here.  Not anymore though. Israel has too much influence   already and through Apac and other groups they  have uh uh engaged in a kind of subtrifuge over   what the interests of the American people are. And  it's not in our interest to be merging a military   uh with a military that uh presents a a a clear  and present danger to our own country. You I don't   want to hold hold hands with somebody has blood on  their hands. No. Um I think all people are capable  

of evil. I I certainly am. And I think all of us  are capable of genocide. I believe that cuz I know   what human nature is. But there's only one country  committing it right now. I mean, we don't need to   guess. Is the Israeli government evil? Yes. I  mean, obviously, murdering children is evil,   no matter who does it. Period. They don't get  a pass. It's a universal standard. So, the idea   that we would merge with that of all militaries.  Well, again, I agree with that, Tucker, and and   you know, my I I wouldn't want to merge with any  military. I don't even like NATO for that matter.   I totally agree because I don't want anybody  acting and trying to drag us into conflicts.   You know, our founders warned, "Beware of foreign  entanglements." Yes, we were warned about that.   And they had the vision to understand that the  United States needed to protect its independence,   to protect its sovereignty by not getting drawn  into conflicts in other countries on behalf of   other nations and on behalf of ourselves. You  know, I I'm I'm I'm for uh defending our country,   but now where we're at is that we're we're we're  on the threshold of of forever wars. I don't   think Donald Trump went to office with the idea  that, you know, we're going to have more wars. He   promised we don't, you know, no more wars. He made  that promise, but he couldn't keep that promise   because of the influence of this uh uh particular  group. And that's really sad. It's really sad. I  

saw it firsthand. It's the saddest thing I've ever  seen in in public in public life for sure. Um,   who are the people pushing this? Well, you know,  it's very interesting. Uh, there was an iteration   of this bill that was introduced in the Congress  by two members. Didn't get much attention,   but this was folded into the bill. Nobody knows  who put it in. That's number one. Number two, no hearings on this part alone. There's been no  hearings and no real discussions about it. I mean,   you and I could talk for an hour or so easy on  this. There's between us, there's more discussion   that's occurred on this bill than any place in  DC by far. They don't want to talk about it. They   just want to quietly slip this provision into a  bill without debate. Remember, they shut off any   hope in the rules committee of a debate over an  amendment by Tom Massie and Ro Connor. They had an   amendment up. They they didn't even include it in  the list of amendments that would be made in order   when they go to the floor. There was no debate in  the committee over this there. And so it it you   know when it gets to the floor then there can't  be there won't be any debate over this provision   you know unless somebody gets up and says well  this provision but there won't be an effort an   amendment to strike it is not in order so it stays  in the bill. People have to understand this is   being engineered quietly but no more. Hello to try  to just slip it in, make it accomplished thing,  

and then all of a sudden here we are. And and the  thing that that we don't know who pushed it. Well,   we know whose idea it was. Benjamin Netanyahu.  He's taking credit for this. He has. Oh,   yeah. He says his idea. Yeah. this this this  uh and and why would Netanyahu want this? Is   because Israel is going to have every possible  advantage they could possibly have in terms of   u weapons enhancement and AI targeting and um  lower operating costs, right? You get to offload   your operating costs down to the US. Um they can  entangle the US into things all of a sudden. Uh   you want to fight me buddy? here's me buddy, you  know, and all you're off to the next war without   the Congress ever debating it, no one going on  the record to support it. It would just all of a   sudden become part of the system. It's embedded in  the way the US government operates. It they just   can effectively control 80% of our discussion. No  committee hearings, no debate in the bill. There   you have it. One of the most serious changes  in American sovereignty in the history of our   country would occur without any debate at all. It  just folded into a bill that's probably close to   a thousand pages. Could this happen soon? Well,  here's what's here's what's going to happen. On  

um the Congress comes back on July the 13th.  the rules committee will try to meet again. The   reason why it didn't get voted on this last time  is there was a dispute. The White House wanted the   SAVE Act that deals with curtailing certain voter  registration privileges. Um they wanted the SAVE   Act folded into the National Defense Act. And so  they pushed the House leadership to combine that.   And in order to make that happen, the House  has to first pass a rule. every bill ha can   have its own rule. It's like what are the rules  of debate for this particular bill this piece   of paper. So they create the rule and the rule  said you know it did not include that amendment   uh uh that would amend out this section 219 and  uh but what it did do it's combined the act and   the NDAA so it gets you don't get voter  ID unless you hand the military to Israel.   No, that that's an interesting reduction. No.  Well, everything's reduction in politics, but they   can make that case. That's interesting. I But let  me just say that it didn't the the rule was voted   against because 14 Republican members didn't like  the way the thing was set up. So, the rule went   down, which meant they couldn't get to the bill.  So, there was no vote uh you know, a week or so   ago. But, so they'll go back to the drawing board.  They'll go back to the rules committee and come up  

with a rule. Will they include an amendment that  could be voted on to determine whether or not   uh Israel and the US military should merge?  I doubt it. It'll go to the floor again. So,   people are going to be faced with an up or down  vote. That would be my guess. It's a guess. An   up or down vote on um on the bill itself. I mean,  you know, I'd recommend voting against it and keep   voting against until they take that provision out.  But that could pass this month. Yeah, absolutely. How do you stop it? Well, the votes I mean, people  have But if you're not in Congress, we just I   mean, people have to call. This is where we're  not helpless. You know, people who are voters who,   you know, and are watching this from across the  country, call your Congress men or congresswoman   and say, "Look, we don't want to merge the  military. Vote against the bill or take it out   of the bill. That's it. I mean, it's, you know,  I, as I said, I wouldn't vote for this bill anyway   because of how it visiates." Uh, but it's treason.  It's literally treason. You're handing your   government to a foreign government against the  will of your own people who pay for everything. I   mean, my view is if there was ever a justification  for shutting down Washington, it's this. And yet,   it doesn't seem like there's any way to stop  it. Call your congressman. Does that matter?  

Sometimes, yeah, sure. I mean, if the people  get enough calls, they get nervous. And when   they start getting nervous and there's a slippage  in votes, Yeah. I mean, it can make a difference.   Absolutely. Sure, it can make a difference. Now,  uh, you know, given Apac's influence, will it make   a difference? I don't know. But I'll But you won't  need Apac after this. No. I mean, well, I mean,   one humiliating control and all that. I get it.  But like, as a practical matter, you it it's   done. Wait, wait a minute. This is interesting.  There are people who are now talking about, well,   you know, we're going to we're going to cut uh we  won't give Israel any military funding. They don't   need any military funding. They're in the inside  now. They they can direct the expenditures of of   up of over a trillion dollars. What do they what  do they need a a tip of 4 billion for when they   can have influence over 1.5 trillion? Watch that.  You you'll encounter people who will tell you,   "Oh, we're going to eliminate the military  spending to Israel." Really? And you're going   to bring them into the decision-m position in the  Department of Defense for the most sophisticated   spending that exists for the future national  security and future future uh uh defense of   the United States of America. Whoa. Well, a lot  of organizations talk about supporting veterans,   but not all of them actually do it. Not even  close. And that's why we only partner with   companies we know are telling the truth and really  working earnestly to make a difference. Black  

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Now people are say it's not a merger. Well okay  integration eliminate duplication. It is a merger.   You can call it what you want, but they're going  to be sitting there making decisions. And another   thing is it's going to affect uh defense uh  not just production where things are made,   but Israel, we you know, we've had by America  provisions in our contracting. This legislation,   I think, would enable Israel to uh  preempt those by America provisions. Oh,   yeah. Yeah. This going to cost US jobs, too.  I mean, that's another thing. That's that's   another argument. So typically in in when the US  government buys equipment for the US military,   it is generally from American suppliers generally.  Not always, but generally, right? But the idea is   the concept is you should buy you buy from your  own. Yeah. Yeah. But this would allow purchases   from Israel basically to count as purchasers from  America because they're right. It's a procurement   thing that you know we the procurement uh becomes  um a fact of life that we'll be procuring more and   more from Israel and Israel will be able to set  up production in the US. This is really crazy. I   mean it we we do not it this is such a giveaway  on so many different things. You use the word   treason. It is treason and everyone involved  in it should be charged. Yeah. But it won't   that won't happen. But you know it's true.  Um, and I I I'm just, you know, so it's not  

lost on any of us. I I don't a day doesn't go by  where I don't think about the people in Gaza and   the West Bank and South Lebanon and what they're  how what they're living through. Their children   being killed right in front of them, their their  whole families being blown up in some cases. Uh,   journalists killed, healthc care workers  murdered, ambulance drivers murdered. double   triple tap to cynically just kill everything  and everybody. Drones flying everywhere. How in the world can anybody with a heart look  at this and say, "Well, you know, it's okay.   That's happening over there." No. No. If you're a  witness, you have to take some responsibility for   that morally. And you're the fun of it, which  we are. We are the funders. And we're But we   the American people are witnesses. And it's time  to say, look, um, we cannot support this. We we   should really be be standing up and defending the  people of Palestine against these attacks. That's   my feeling. We cannot be in a position where  we're seeing um uh hundreds of thousands of people   killed. Uh, for what? For some fake interpretation  of the Bible that somebody says, "Well, this is   my land. This is my home. This is my property."  Really? Really? Somebody somebody knocks on your   door and says, "Give me your house." In America,  we'd we'd go bonkers over that. We'd say, "You   can't do that. Get out of here." That's what's  happening every day. And it's happening in South  

Lebanon now. Settlers are coming in and they're  protected by the IDF. The IDF has demonstrated   itself to be uh just a group of uh psychopathic  killers. I mean, you can't call it anything else.   No, you can't. And and so the question though  isn't who they are. It's who are we as Americans.   What do we stand for? We just celebrated our 250th  anniversary of our independence. And we need to   regain our independence. We need to regain what  it what it really means to be an American. We'll   we'll help anybody around the world. We've got  big hearts as Americans. But we also need to stand   up for the abuse of of the resources that we give  to in other countries that are being used to kill   people and and kill them in mass. Well, it's just  been so corrupting. It's been so corrupting of the   United States, corrupting of Christianity to see,  you know, good people, ministers get up and defend   genocide as if Jesus is in favor of killing kids.  It's been corrupting of politics, the conservative   movement, which I don't doesn't obviously exist  anymore, but I've been a part of it for, you know,   40 years. And the ba one of the basic foundational  ideas was property rights. Property rights. They   lecture you for hours. I've given those lectures.  Property rights. It's the basis of liberty and of   a functioning economic system. And then all of  a sudden, they're supporting stealing people's   lands because stealing is a land. Well, actually,  and then killing anyone who gets in the way. What  

about property rights? I thought we were for  property rights. Free speech, the foundational   freedom of this country. All of a sudden, it's  you're not allowed to criticize a foreign country.   You can't boycott a foreign country. It's illegal.  It's like what? It's totally corrupting of who we   are. That's my problem with it. I don't think  Israel is uniquely evil. I think everybody is   evil in his heart. Of course, I'm a Christian.  Of course, I believe that. But this what they're   doing is evil completely. There's no euphemism  that describes it more precisely than that. And   and we become evil when we participate in it.  Like what the hell? Yeah, it's it's exactly   what the hell what is the motive? So you served  in the Congress. You got there 30 years ago.   You know a lot about the Congress. What would  inspire a lawmaker to get on board with this?   I I you know look um you have to go back to the  Holocaust. You really do. I mean in order to   understand the thinking about about Israel and  Jewish people suffered horribly. Yes. In the   Holocaust. It it is a level of cruelty that the  world could not have imagined prior to that. Yes.   And so there there Israel began with a you know  great deal of sympathy that people had. But then   as you start including from me by the way. Yeah of  course and for myself. Yeah. But as you unwind the   history and you see that where the bell for decor  de declaration went and how in 1948 uh that uh the  

founding of the state of Israel was not supposed  to mean the subjugation of of the Arabs or the   Palestinians there there was somehow supposed to  be an agreement worked out. it was, you know, airy   fairy in some ways. But what's happened is that  um uh there's been a murderous oppression of of   of Palestinians that's goes back generations now.  And so Israel evolved into something that um that   was that no one I think counted on at least except  the Zionists maybe who who believe that we we have   a greater destiny and it's not just this land  but as the chosen people we are going further and   beyond it. Uh and and that's unfortunate because  what they've done Zionism is hijacked Judaism. My uh my life has been guided by people  who happen to who happen to have been   Jewish and I think that's true of a lot of  people. Yeah. I mean greatly influenced. And   when you understand the meaning of charity,  of caring, of giving, throughout my life,   I've always associated that with people who  happen to be Jewish. You know, I've seen   that. I've experienced it. I have experienced it  also. But then but then when you when you take   um Zionism and a particular virulent strain  of Zionism as is practiced by people like  

uh uh ministers Smootrich and and  Bengavir as well as Netanyahu. It it has created such uh sorus, if you could  call it that, for people who happen to be Jewish   in this country and worldwide. And it's not  that that's not what you know what many of us   understood Judaism to be about and still isn't.  But Zionism has hijacked that and in service of   a political agenda, they've u uh basically  jettisoned spiritual principles that uh in   my view were always about what's called tunam,  the healing of the world. That that's a that's   a principle that comes from Judaism. Tunam, heal  the world. So it's no not destroy the world, heal   the world. And and so it's heartbreaking really.  And and I mean this is we're looking at an immense   human tragedy here talking that's just beginning  because everyone who committed genocide or   supported or excused it or denied it, the genocide  deniers, and there are many in the United States.   They're all going to suffer. And I feel bad for  them. Some of them I like personally, but they're   all going to suffer because there is justice.  And if you got behind the genocide in Gaza,   you're going to suffer for that. So I feel I feel  sorry for him. Yeah. I I you know again I call it   a great human tragedy but here we are just after  we celebrated our independence 250 years. How do  

we remain independent? And and this proposal to  merge, integrate the US and the Israeli military   is a direct attack on American independence,  a direct attack on American sovereignty,   a direct attack on the United States Constitution,  which keeps us sovereign. I'm concerned, you know,   these how drones are are hunting people in in uh  Gaza and West Bank and and even South Lebanon.   Now, that's going to come home. Does anyone think  that if we if we enrich this partnership with   Israel formally that we're not going to be seeing  these drones patrolling the United States? Yes,   we are. That's I mean soon well this is you know  we're looking at dystopia here we're looking at   a minority report another version who are again  ask the question who are we as a nation I want   to reclaim what it means to be an American I  want to reclaim what it means to be free to   be independent to be sovereign to be able to make  our decisions without any any undue influence from   any other country in the world and and certainly  not to be holding hands with people that are that   are genocidal uh with genocidal intent. So, you  know, this is ultimately about freedom. Our our   whole experience, our constitutional experience  about freedom, we've seen our freedom of speech  

undermined in the last few years, college campuses  notably, okay? You can't criticize a certain   group because if you do, you could lose your  scholarship. You could get expelled. You can't   protest on college campuses, which were the cradle  of the rebellion against the war in Vietnam. Okay?   the Fourth Amendment, you know, the the uh the  idea that Americans can be uh free in their homes   from unreasonable search and seizure. The idea  that uh you look at ICE and how they've moved   in to just, you know, knock down doors there.  We're seeing our basic constitutional liberties   undermined here in this country right now.  We're celebrating the 4th of July, but you know,   our our our liberties can't go up like in the  smoke of a disappearing firework. We we really   have to look at each and every area where our  our liberty is under attack and our freedom is   under attack and it is under attack with this  proposal to merge the US and and the Israeli   military. But if you're a member of Congress, what  are you thinking? Why would you sign on to this?   What's a constitution among friends? But you  know that every public appearance that you have,   every town hall that you do, you're going to  get asked about this. People are getting pretty   radically anti-Israel. Way more than I am. I feel  like I'm pretty moderate compared to the public on   this question all of a sudden. And you're going  to have to live with that. But you're doing it  

anyway. Well, look, politically I it's hard to  figure out. One does not need to be anti-Israel.   We need to be pro-human. I agree. Pro peace. Pro  America. Pro America. Yeah. Really? I mean, this   thing about America first, that's okay with me.  That doesn't mean we're not citizens of the world,   but we have an obligation to take care of our own  people. Tucker, you know, I'm in Cleveland. I see   people begging for food at freeway exits. Yeah,  I do too. I know. Some of them are veterans. What   are what are what are we doing with our country  here? So, you know, this this debate over this   section in the National Defense Authorization  Act really provides an opportunity for a deeper   reflection about who we are as Americans. What  do we stand for? Where are we going as a country?   Where do we want to go as a country? How do we  avoid future wars? How do we avoid wars that could   end it all? You know, it wasn't too long ago that  Joe Biden was rattling sabers against Russia. Oh,   I know. And now we're seeing, you know, more  attacks on Russia. We we could see another war,   but if we're not easily we could see a real war  with Russia soon. But we need so we need to pay   attention to what our government's doing and  demand that we stop these wars and demand that   we not bring in the one country that's hellbent  on on war everywhere they turn in order to feel  

protected. Can I mean what a paradox I know that  you're you're protected by killing more people.   Netanyahu is destroying Israel and um if allowed  I think and not just his coalition of uh religious   extremists. He was on Fox today on Fox News  which shamefully gives him a platform at every   opportunity saying we need to go fight Turkey, our  NATO ally to whom we're bound by a treaty. We have   to have a war with Turkey now because you said  that this morning. I didn't. Well, see, that's   what you know, that's why when I look at this  agreement, it is about war with Turkey. It's about   war with Egypt. It's about war, war, war on our  dime, their policy. No, stop it. America. Remember   who you are. You You weren't, you know, you We are  supposed to be that shining city on a hill. We're   supposed to be the unfolding of a patriotic dream.  We're supposed to be the the the country that is   the beacon for the entire world. You know, the  huddled mass is yearning to breathe free. We need   to reconnect with what it means the deeper meaning  of what it means to be an American that that this   journey that began 250 years ago that gave America  this ability to adapt to and dream their future.   We need to reconnect with this with this advancing  tide of creativity and freedom and democracy and  

let and really let freedom ring. Really let it  ring. But we're not we're not there right now.   We're in a different space. And we need to we need  to begin a new to challenge any effort that that   that would attack our sovereignty, undermine our  independence. You just saw a number of Democrats   lose in primaries on the question of support for  Israel. So, it's such a cliche. I hate even to use   the word, but it's toxic among Democratic voters.  It's true. Toxic and good for them, by the way. It   should be toxic. It's totally unacceptable. You're  pro-Nazi. No, you're not allowed to be pro-Nazi.   Well, you can't be for the genocide in Gaza. I  mean, it's I don't don't see the difference. But   um how can Democrats vote for this? I think  a number of them will vote against it. Uh but   um some of them with some difficulty and that  this we're talking about is this um proposal   to merge the militaries of Israel and the United  States. Yeah, it should be an easy vote for many   members of Congress, but they're not going to get  a chance to vote on just that because it's folded   into a thousand page bill. So, what you have is  a circumstance where, you know, most members will   know this is in the bill. There's been enough  commotion about it. How can they vote for it?   because they'll say, "Well, you know, I voted so  that our district could get x number of dollars  

for this uh defense contractor which is providing  uh hundreds of jobs in our district." That that's   the logic. Okay. Yeah. There's a logic there.  Yeah. Yeah. You you you need to understand and   people need to understand your your your many  viewers need to understand that every single   member of Congress has a defense contractor in  the district. And these contractors are in order   to pass the bill, they go and visit the member of  Congress and they say, "Look, you know, we make   this this material for the Department of Defense  and we need you to vote for this so that our area   can have these jobs." And some of them may have  been around a while, some of these, you know,   businesses. So the member is moved by people from  the district who want them to support this program   which may be millions of dollars including a $  1.5 trillion bill. So members have a motivation to   vote for it. Now I didn't vote for it because I I  knew it was going to go for war and I'm opposed to   that. But members have jobs at stake so they want  to vote for the bill. That's how that happens.   lobbyists are there from the district. So then  you put this provision in the bill which is   really a poison pill if you want to call it that  and members then have to look well do I how am I   going to vote because they'll be attacked if they  vote against something for their district right  

just to get this is a diabolical uh construction  that's occurring here legislatively you put a bill   to defend a country which is excessive to the  nth degree and you fold into it this proposal   for a merger you know members ers are going to  be hardpressed uh with a vote on this. But the   ultimate issue is if you give up sovereignty,  if you give up independence, that that is the   overarching concern, not where does this money go?  Because once you once you give up what it means   to be an American and to be able to make your  own decisions, everything else doesn't matter.   Who thought up this system where you don't vote  on specific legislation or issues, but you wrap   all these different notions into one, thousandpage  bill and vote up or down on it like Yeah. Yeah.   That that's it. Well, you know, from that came the  apherism. Never ask how uh uh how laws are sausage   Yeah. uh are made. Um but that seems designed  to hurt the country and to make a mockery of the   legislative process. Well, the the way the bill is  crafted, you know, groups of people get together,   various interest groups, they go to the committee,  they give their ideas of what they want, and a   bill is produced. And somebody came in with this  thing. Ah, let's put this merger in. Well, why not  

just vote on that? Why not just vote on Thank you.  changes to voter registration or ID requirements   or what weapons system we should. They're they're  supposed to except the rule permits them to do it.   They change the rules. The rules are always there  to be changed. So they change, you know, there's   a rule against legislating on an appropriation,  right? Doesn't matter. You can have a rule that   says all points of order are waved. So nobody can  get up. Uh Mr. Mr. Chairman, point of order. No,   it's not happening. So you know this this system  people are going to start to pay a little bit more   u attention to a system which is serving a very  small group of people at the expense of everyone   else. And right now it's it's not working for  the people of the United States of America.   And it hasn't it doesn't matter if someone is a  Democrat, Republican, who's in the White House.   That system has a specific uh gravity and a  specific momentum that keeps moving forward   inexorably to replicate itself. Yes. Okay. It  just keeps going. Nicely put. That's right.   And that's what's what happens. And that's why  once something like this merger is in the bill,   forget about it. It's just going to keep going and  going. They'll they'll develop data integration.   That's another big thing. That's a merger. Data  integration. you know, there there is. So, we're   going to be operating out of the same fundamental  uh math of what it means to operate the nation's  

defense. Wow. Yeah. That's how dangerous this is,  Tucker. So, there's kind of no disentangling at   that point without hurting the US military. That's  exactly right. It is the ultimate entanglement   that we've been warned against. It's a it's it's  an entanglement and the most granular details in   every sophisticated area of defense of our country  uh of the future uh national security policies   of the United States of America. We are becoming  entangled to the inth degree and as a result u our   nation is at our our nation and our sovereignty  is at risk. Have you seen anyone defend this   explicitly? No. That's interesting. That's an  interesting question. Um, if you find somebody,   it'd be great to have that person on your show so  that you could ask them about the no the benefits.   Don't just scream about anti-semitism and refuse  to come on. I've I've tried. Well, you know,   we we understand that anti-semitism become a  canard. It lacks meaning anymore where it's   just being used to try to deflect attention  to something that's going on uh that's uh uh   that's beneath the dignity of human beings. I've  noticed. Yeah, I've noticed. Do you think there's   any chance the president would veto this? It's an  interesting question because you know Netanyahu   has uh uh basically discounted the u authority of  the president of the United States. He's done that   uh when uh President Trump was trying to end  this war against Iran that was started at the  

behest of Netanyahu. Um and what did he need?  He one of the things he needed was for Israel   to stop attacking South Lebanon. That was one of  the conditions that Iran asked for. Didn't happen.   And Netanyahu publicly defied the president of  the United States. As if uh uh he as head of   a nation of 9 10 million people is superior to a  man who's head of a nation of 340 million people.   I mean this is you know you have to look at this.  This is so weird that um that Israel could be uh   actually jeopardizing an agreement that would end  a war that has resulted in not just 168 children   being being killed and the leader of of Iran whose  funeral is still ongoing right now as we speak,   but also had a devastating effect on the on our  economy. You know, that war is going to cost that   just that war is going to cost about a trillion  dollars, taxpayers. You know, most of it will go   to national debt, which is, you know, a whole  another story because the more debt we're in,   the more vulnerable we are because we got to make  the interest payments and that uh it means we have   less money to take care of things we need right  now. Yeah. America's in a trap right now. Um,   you know, we've dug ourselves a hole and the  only difference between a hole and a grave is   in the dimensions. And I want to I don't want  to have this merger lead America to uh its own  

destruction. And we're we're in we're not in good  shape right now. And when the president of the   United States can be told by some guy who's who's  just a hustler who is trying to finagle his way   to another election, you know, through another  election to survive so he doesn't go to jail.   I mean, let's be real about this. Netanyahu is  facing jail. And so his policies are aimed at   keeping himself out of jail. He didn't care about  the United States. He sure didn't care about what   President Trump wants. All he cares about is  staying out of jail and staying in power if he   can. And you know, so what does that mean? Attack  South Lebanon. Forget whatever America wants to do   and ending the war in uh in in Iran. And every  everyone's going to pay for it. The people are   going to pay for it in South Lebanon with their  lives. And people around the world are going to   pay for it with uh damage to the world economy.  I mean, it's a you know, lives. I'll put that   superior to every other concern. But the fact is  there's we all know about the knock on effects of   the um of the blocking of the straight of Hormuz  uh or Babo Mandab or uh anything that interferes   with the flow of energy uh is going to cause the  price to go up. Americans have experienced that   and we're going to keep experiencing that because  the opportunity for peace keeps uh ebbing away and   we've learned recently that Israel was planning to  kill Iran's peace negoti negotiators right there  

there there's an assassination plot to kill uh  the principal u representatives of Iran because   you know it's not in Israel's interest to have  peace. They don't know what peace looks like.   They think peace is a threat to their existence.  Yes. And so when you get that kind of an equation,   you're going to have forever war. And we  bring them into the Department of Defense,   we have for forever war. This is, you know,  was what about America? Why aren't we ask why   isn't why aren't we having discussions about  what America's interests are here? Cuz that's   anti-semitic. Nationalism is is a moral crime.  No, we've been hearing that for 10 years. And   I thought Trump would be strong enough to stand  up to it, but he he turned out to be weak. But   it's not just Trump. It's the system itself is is  just not working in any way. How would you fix it? Well, we know that if someone becomes president  and he is determined to fix the system, drain   the swamp, he's going to run into problems no  matter what his politics are. Real problems. Yeah,   real problems or or he could get assassinated.  Yeah. I mean that you know but we have to look   at you know follow follow the policy back  to whose interests are threatened and would   want to kill our leaders. How do you  cure it? First of all it starts with America's international policy. We have to um we  have to stop these forever wars. We have to start  

protecting our economy and rebuild relationships  with people so they still use the dollar cuz our   our the elasticity in our economy depends on the  petro dollar. Of course, the more people that   jettison it, you know, whether we're talking about  um Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa,   uh Iran, and others, the the less trade  that happens in dollars, that's that that   is a compounding economic problem for the United  States of America. People are getting rid of our   treasuries. They're dumping our treasuries. Okay?  So higher interest rates, more burden on the uh US   economy. Hey, that relates to our ability to make  our own decisions so that we don't become a vassel   of some of the of a future IMF or something. a  president and and has to have a Congress that   closes ranks on these issues of sovereignty on  on the issues of expenditure. We we really are   in need of, you know, I I come from a a discipline  of the old FDR, New Deal, rebuild America, rebuild   the infrastructure, keep building, building,  building, create, teach entrepreneurship,   teach people how to create things and make things.  We have that capacity. We're not doing it. So,   how do we get out of it? It's to stop the wars,  first of all. Stop the wars. Stop holding hands  

with a country who's forever on a war path.  Must stop that. And then we start to rebuild   diplomatic relations with countries knowing that  we can be we can be friends, but don't, you know,   don't try us, but let's try to find a way to  work together and use our resources to build   to build to show that uh, you know, America  can be a friend again, not just a feared foe.   We we need to go back to the basics which are  you know education public education has fallen   apart. Yeah. We need to give people a chance to  have a way of learning so that they can make a   contribution to our society. Now personally I'm  for healthc care for all. We shouldn't have these   big corporations cashing in on the on the health  misery of the American people. I I we should have   jobs for all. We should have an opportunity for  every person who's able-bodied to be able to to   make a living, make a contribution to society. We  need to protect our air and our water. Our water   right now ends up being a bargaining chip for,  you know, these new data centers. Why should we   be sacrificing the water that people need to  survive just to say, well, we're going to be   smarter because we'll use more AI there. There's  see we have and you know where it all goes back   to you know here we are in Maine New England  had those town hall meetings from years ago.   Norman Rockwell you know that painting of the man  standing up freedom of speech. Okay it's it's you  

go back to the town hall literally not not just  figuratively on the internet. You go back to the   town hall where people are meeting each other  and they talk about what they want out of a   country and then you require people want to be a  representative to meet with those groups and to   hear what people have to say about what are their  aspirations, what are their dreams for America.   You get it's a rebuilding that has to happen. It  has to happen from the neighborhood all the way   up. Tucker, we we have to we have to reexite our  civic soul. We have to learn what it means to be a   citizen again. to in a democracy that that we can  or a republic as I would like to refer to it as,   we need to refresh that republic with our own  civic involvement. And if we fail to do that,   then then America gradually fades away into the  pages of history. You know, we're not guaranteed   this country. Eternal vigilance truly is the price  of liberty. And this is this discussion today is   about being vigilant. It's about it's about  understanding at every turn where America's   interest might be might be harmed. I think  the uh first expression of civic engagement   might be national protests against this bill.  I agree. Yeah, I agree. People should be going   to their town halls and and and first of all,  you you know, you can type in section 219 NDAA   and get a copy of the bill. understand what it  means. But you know this discussion today we've  

given you know I've given you some uh content  of of what the specifics are because there'll be   people arguing specifics and and what the cost  is and what what Israel has to gain and what   America has to lose. And you know, when you're  talking about merging the most sensitive areas,   uh, and you're talking about, uh, giving  away American jobs, you're talking about,   um, America plus Israeli technology equals  genocide. Now, well, wait a minute. You know,   we we um, and with with no serious discussion  about it and no legislative review, this is just   going to happen. Sure, people need to go to their  town halls and start saying stop. But you know,   this is happening. This is on this thing is  an express train. It's coming down the tracks,   Tucker. Congress comes back on the 13th of July  and they're going to try to grease the wheels   to make sure this thing moves through. Who are  they? They are the people that are running the   government internally and externally uh to push  legislation not just for 1.5 trillion for more   wars but to make sure we bring Israel into the  decision-making process formally in the department   of defense through this section 219 which merges  uh the defense capabilities and integrates the   defense capabilities and eliminates duplication.  You're talking about eliminating duplication.

You're together. You're one. You're you're a  single unit. Then at some point we're going to   get because nothing is hidden in forever. We're  going to find out exactly how many women and   children non-combatants Israel murdered uh in Gaza  and Lebanon and the West Bank. And public opinion   in this country will join the rest of the world  in revulsion and horror. and Israel will suffer   the same fate that Germany has suffered for 80  years, which is, you know, having to public to   confront what you did because all countries have  to confront what they do. And I just think anyone   who's on board with something like this now,  these are like the last moments where you could   vote for this with a straight face. After this,  every person who votes for this is going to have   to answer for it in this life and the next. I  I I think not only are you correct, Tucker, but the consequences of this are going to be felt for the foreseeable future. And um this is  really this is really a moment of truth.   Yeah. For America. You you've really added  so much to this. Dennis Cassinich. Thank   you very much and I hope this makes some small  difference. Thank you, Tucker. Appreciate it.