Shawn Ryan: Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

Thank you for coming back, Sean. Thank you for coming back, Sean. >> Love coming back here. So, uh, I was >> Love coming back here. So, uh, I was >> Love coming back here. So, uh, I was thinking about you this morning. You've thinking about you this morning. You've thinking about you this morning. You've had this kind of unbelievably weird and had this kind of unbelievably weird and had this kind of unbelievably weird and varied life and maybe the weirdest varied life and maybe the weirdest varied life and maybe the weirdest chapter is now unfolding where you chapter is now unfolding where you chapter is now unfolding where you somehow wound up a successful podcaster. somehow wound up a successful podcaster. somehow wound up a successful podcaster. Probably not something you planned. Probably not something you planned. Probably not something you planned. >> Definitely not. >> Definitely not. >> Definitely not. >> 20 years ago. Uh, what have you learned >> 20 years ago. Uh, what have you learned >> 20 years ago. Uh, what have you learned from it? From this chapter? What have I from it? From this chapter? What have I from it? From this chapter? What have I learned? [gasps] learned? [gasps] learned? [gasps] >> Well, I probably only retain 10% of the >> Well, I probably only retain 10% of the >> Well, I probably only retain 10% of the information that comes through the information that comes through the information that comes through the studio [laughter] to be honest with you. studio [laughter] to be honest with you. studio [laughter] to be honest with you. And everybody expects me to be a And everybody expects me to be a And everybody expects me to be a resident expert on anything I can't resident expert on anything I can't resident expert on anything I can't remember [ __ ] And then I think I know remember [ __ ] And then I think I know remember [ __ ] And then I think I know something. And I have dinner with you something. And I have dinner with you something. And I have dinner with you last night and I realize I really don't last night and I realize I really don't last night and I realize I really don't know. know. know. >> I don't either. Yeah. >> I don't either. Yeah. >> I don't either. Yeah. >> The ignorant meeting the ignorant. >> The ignorant meeting the ignorant. >> The ignorant meeting the ignorant. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> But um >> But um >> But um what have I learned? Um, what have I learned? Um, what have I learned? Um, [snorts] I've learned I never want to [snorts] I've learned I never want to [snorts] I've learned I never want to involve myself in the US political involve myself in the US political involve myself in the US political system or vouch for any man again. Uh, system or vouch for any man again. Uh, system or vouch for any man again. Uh, I've learned, let's just stop there. So, I've learned, let's just stop there. So, I've learned, let's just stop there. So, you didn't start out a hyper political you didn't start out a hyper political you didn't start out a hyper political person. I remember when your podcast person. I remember when your podcast person. I remember when your podcast started, my nephew told me about it. He started, my nephew told me about it. He started, my nephew told me about it. He [clears throat] loved it.

[clears throat] loved it. [clears throat] loved it. >> That's how I met you cuz my nephew was >> That's how I met you cuz my nephew was >> That's how I met you cuz my nephew was so impressed by you. And um, it it was so impressed by you. And um, it it was so impressed by you. And um, it it was mostly on kind of military issues. And mostly on kind of military issues. And mostly on kind of military issues. And then there was this period where you I then there was this period where you I then there was this period where you I don't know got involved but you got don't know got involved but you got don't know got involved but you got closer to the political process and now closer to the political process and now closer to the political process and now you're saying you don't want anything to you're saying you don't want anything to you're saying you don't want anything to do with that. do with that. do with that. >> No, I never I just I just don't >> No, I never I just I just don't >> No, I never I just I just don't >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? Well, I mean I think we kind of Well, I mean I think we kind of Well, I mean I think we kind of discussed it last time. I just every discussed it last time. I just every discussed it last time. I just every everything is a lie. We like that became everything is a lie. We like that became everything is a lie. We like that became like a coin term, I guess. But like a coin term, I guess. But like a coin term, I guess. But everything everything is a lie. I mean, everything everything is a lie. I mean, everything everything is a lie. I mean, every every politician I've sat across every every politician I've sat across every every politician I've sat across from, with maybe the exception the from, with maybe the exception the from, with maybe the exception the exception of Eli Crane, who I disagree exception of Eli Crane, who I disagree exception of Eli Crane, who I disagree with on a lot of y with on a lot of y with on a lot of y >> I feel I I hate that I even have to say >> I feel I I hate that I even have to say >> I feel I I hate that I even have to say that. I don't I don't agree with that. I don't I don't agree with that. I don't I don't agree with everything they have to say. You know, everything they have to say. You know, everything they have to say. You know, why the [ __ ] do we have to say that? I why the [ __ ] do we have to say that? I why the [ __ ] do we have to say that? I like Eli. like Eli. like Eli. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> he's very, you know, pro- Israel. I'm >> he's very, you know, pro- Israel. I'm >> he's very, you know, pro- Israel. I'm not, but um but he can articulate why he not, but um but he can articulate why he not, but um but he can articulate why he is and whatever. I resp I respect it. At is and whatever. I resp I respect it. At is and whatever. I resp I respect it. At least he's not re just regurgitating least he's not re just regurgitating least he's not re just regurgitating [ __ ] you know, like most people, [ __ ] you know, like most people, [ __ ] you know, like most people, >> but everybody else it's just, you know, >> but everybody else it's just, you know, >> but everybody else it's just, you know, it's been a lie. And and and then the it's been a lie. And and and then the it's been a lie. And and and then the other thing is, I mean, which it really other thing is, I mean, which it really other thing is, I mean, which it really shouldn't bother me, but you you talk to shouldn't bother me, but you you talk to shouldn't bother me, but you you talk to somebody and then it's like you you how somebody and then it's like you you how somebody and then it's like you you how dare you platform that person and it's dare you platform that person and it's dare you platform that person and it's like, actually, I probably just did you like, actually, I probably just did you like, actually, I probably just did you a favor because he just spent 4 hours a favor because he just spent 4 hours a favor because he just spent 4 hours lying to me on my podcast that you're lying to me on my podcast that you're lying to me on my podcast that you're going to be able to use for his next going to be able to use for his next going to be able to use for his next political campaign. Too [ __ ] stupid political campaign. Too [ __ ] stupid political campaign. Too [ __ ] stupid to figure that out, aren't you? But um

to figure that out, aren't you? But um to figure that out, aren't you? But um but I mean it it's you know and they do but I mean it it's you know and they do but I mean it it's you know and they do and uh and and and uh and and and uh and and I I just I don't know you know I put a I I just I don't know you know I put a I I just I don't know you know I put a a lot of faith in a lot of these guys a lot of faith in a lot of these guys a lot of faith in a lot of these guys and women you know that have come on and and women you know that have come on and and women you know that have come on and >> really I the only one that really >> really I the only one that really >> really I the only one that really impressed me was Joe Kent. you know, in impressed me was Joe Kent. you know, in impressed me was Joe Kent. you know, in the long run, everybody else has just the long run, everybody else has just the long run, everybody else has just been a a wash or just or a complete been a a wash or just or a complete been a a wash or just or a complete disaster. Just a lying piece of [ __ ] disaster. Just a lying piece of [ __ ] disaster. Just a lying piece of [ __ ] What about you, dude? What about you, dude? What about you, dude? >> As we discussed last night at dinner, I >> As we discussed last night at dinner, I >> As we discussed last night at dinner, I I I'm still trying to figure out what I I'm still trying to figure out what I I'm still trying to figure out what all of this means. As someone who all of this means. As someone who all of this means. As someone who campaigned for Trump and told everybody campaigned for Trump and told everybody campaigned for Trump and told everybody Trump is the option to the uni party, Trump is the option to the uni party, Trump is the option to the uni party, you got Republicans, Democrats are on you got Republicans, Democrats are on you got Republicans, Democrats are on the same side, but Trump is not. He's on the same side, but Trump is not. He's on the same side, but Trump is not. He's on a different side. maybe even the public a different side. maybe even the public a different side. maybe even the public side and then Trump, the last hope, side and then Trump, the last hope, side and then Trump, the last hope, winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and just joins the uni party in the most just joins the uni party in the most just joins the uni party in the most obvious way. At that point, you have to obvious way. At that point, you have to obvious way. At that point, you have to ask yourself, is there a political ask yourself, is there a political ask yourself, is there a political solution to the problems that we have?

solution to the problems that we have? solution to the problems that we have? And I don't I don't know the answer, but And I don't I don't know the answer, but And I don't I don't know the answer, but I'm starting to think maybe there isn't. I'm starting to think maybe there isn't. I'm starting to think maybe there isn't. I don't know. I feel as discouraged as I don't know. I feel as discouraged as I don't know. I feel as discouraged as you do, though I don't articulate it you do, though I don't articulate it you do, though I don't articulate it quite as well and forcefully as you do, quite as well and forcefully as you do, quite as well and forcefully as you do, but I I kind of feel that way. So, but but I I kind of feel that way. So, but but I I kind of feel that way. So, but I'm interviewing you. So, let me ask I'm interviewing you. So, let me ask I'm interviewing you. So, let me ask you, you, you, you're out of politics. So, where does you're out of politics. So, where does you're out of politics. So, where does that leave you? What what matters? What that leave you? What what matters? What that leave you? What what matters? What takes its place? Um takes its place? Um takes its place? Um I I think uh I mean, just I I'm not sure I I think uh I mean, just I I'm not sure I I think uh I mean, just I I'm not sure yet. I'm still, you know, we talked last yet. I'm still, you know, we talked last yet. I'm still, you know, we talked last night. I'm kind of going through, not night. I'm kind of going through, not night. I'm kind of going through, not kind of, I'm going through a crazy kind of, I'm going through a crazy kind of, I'm going through a crazy spiritual transformation right now. And spiritual transformation right now. And spiritual transformation right now. And uh I think I think God needs to be uh I think I think God needs to be uh I think I think God needs to be highlighted and maybe some in some good highlighted and maybe some in some good highlighted and maybe some in some good stuff. I mean um nobody's I mean nobody's I mean you just you can't put faith in in man you just you can't put faith in in man you just you can't put faith in in man at all. And I it's kind of sad to watch at all. And I it's kind of sad to watch at all. And I it's kind of sad to watch everybody scurrying around trying to everybody scurrying around trying to everybody scurrying around trying to find the next guy and and who's it going find the next guy and and who's it going find the next guy and and who's it going to be and and and you can already see to be and and and you can already see to be and and and you can already see people just like blindly like putting people just like blindly like putting people just like blindly like putting their faith into another human being.

their faith into another human being. their faith into another human being. And it's sad and and And it's sad and and And it's sad and and [cough and clears throat] [cough and clears throat] [cough and clears throat] spent a lot of time I I became obsessed spent a lot of time I I became obsessed spent a lot of time I I became obsessed with evil like obsessed with it. and uh with evil like obsessed with it. and uh with evil like obsessed with it. and uh and it started with the kids stuff which and it started with the kids stuff which and it started with the kids stuff which I'm I'm still I'll probably never stop I'm I'm still I'll probably never stop I'm I'm still I'll probably never stop that. That's just a passion of mine that that. That's just a passion of mine that that. That's just a passion of mine that I, you know, we I can I can handle it I, you know, we I can I can handle it I, you know, we I can I can handle it like I can handle the subject matter and like I can handle the subject matter and like I can handle the subject matter and I think it's important and I know, you I think it's important and I know, you I think it's important and I know, you know, we've done a lot of good there and know, we've done a lot of good there and know, we've done a lot of good there and um by educating parents and kids about um by educating parents and kids about um by educating parents and kids about what, you know, what's actually going on what, you know, what's actually going on what, you know, what's actually going on and I mean roadblocks, for example, we and I mean roadblocks, for example, we and I mean roadblocks, for example, we did an episode on what was going on on did an episode on what was going on on did an episode on what was going on on roadblocks and I think we took like five roadblocks and I think we took like five roadblocks and I think we took like five or six billion dollars off the the cap or six billion dollars off the the cap or six billion dollars off the the cap table in one day or one week, I mean, table in one day or one week, I mean, table in one day or one week, I mean, And um And um And um I think you know that's good. But uh so I think you know that's good. But uh so I think you know that's good. But uh so where am I going? Wait, can you back up? where am I going? Wait, can you back up? where am I going? Wait, can you back up? You became obsessed with evil. What is You became obsessed with evil. What is You became obsessed with evil. What is >> Yeah, I just >> Yeah, I just >> Yeah, I just Well, I think it started, you know, with Well, I think it started, you know, with Well, I think it started, you know, with co and and and co and and and co and and and um the LGBTQ stuff. And I don't I don't um the LGBTQ stuff. And I don't I don't um the LGBTQ stuff. And I don't I don't really care about I don't care what really care about I don't care what really care about I don't care what adults are doing, but you know, adults are doing, but you know, adults are doing, but you know, eight-year-old kids that that just eight-year-old kids that that just eight-year-old kids that that just really bothered me. Like it still does really bothered me. Like it still does really bothered me. Like it still does really bothers me. And um so that's kind really bothers me. And um so that's kind really bothers me. And um so that's kind of where it started. And then and then of where it started. And then and then of where it started. And then and then and then and then and then it's just everywhere you look, you know, it's just everywhere you look, you know, it's just everywhere you look, you know, everywhere you look is a lie. And the everywhere you look is a lie. And the everywhere you look is a lie. And the institutions are lying, the the the the

institutions are lying, the the the the institutions are lying, the the the the politicians are lying, the everybody's politicians are lying, the everybody's politicians are lying, the everybody's lying. people are manufacturing lying. people are manufacturing lying. people are manufacturing narratives just for narratives just for narratives just for just to create controversies so they just to create controversies so they just to create controversies so they can, you know, boost their views. And I can, you know, boost their views. And I can, you know, boost their views. And I I don't know who to believe. I don't I don't know who to believe. I don't I don't know who to believe. I don't know what to believe anymore at all. And know what to believe anymore at all. And know what to believe anymore at all. And um um um I mean every everything even here like I mean every everything even here like I mean every everything even here like we uh what's what's his name? Steve. we uh what's what's his name? Steve. we uh what's what's his name? Steve. Steve. He's a reporter here. The Somalia Steve. He's a reporter here. The Somalia Steve. He's a reporter here. The Somalia fraud that's going on. Oh, Steve fraud that's going on. Oh, Steve fraud that's going on. Oh, Steve Robinson. Robinson. Robinson. >> Yeah. Yeah. Love that guy. He's a great >> Yeah. Yeah. Love that guy. He's a great >> Yeah. Yeah. Love that guy. He's a great man. man. man. >> But it [snorts] just I just uh I got I >> But it [snorts] just I just uh I got I >> But it [snorts] just I just uh I got I just I don't know. I just became just I don't know. I just became just I don't know. I just became obsessed with like unc all this [ __ ] obsessed with like unc all this [ __ ] obsessed with like unc all this [ __ ] that's going on in the world and it's that's going on in the world and it's that's going on in the world and it's dark, man. dark, man. dark, man. >> So you felt it was your job to uncover >> So you felt it was your job to uncover >> So you felt it was your job to uncover evil. evil. evil. >> Yeah. and and uh you know I I say that >> Yeah. and and uh you know I I say that >> Yeah. and and uh you know I I say that oh I can't be influenced like I don't oh I can't be influenced like I don't oh I can't be influenced like I don't let advertisers influence me and I don't let advertisers influence me and I don't let advertisers influence me and I don't let uh politicians tell me what to do let uh politicians tell me what to do let uh politicians tell me what to do even though they're calling me trying to even though they're calling me trying to even though they're calling me trying to you know tell me what to do. Don't talk you know tell me what to do. Don't talk you know tell me what to do. Don't talk about the land sale in Utah. Don't talk, about the land sale in Utah. Don't talk, about the land sale in Utah. Don't talk, you know, don't talk about actually this you know, don't talk about actually this you know, don't talk about actually this guy really helped me with my campaign.

guy really helped me with my campaign. guy really helped me with my campaign. Actually I don't really give a [ __ ] who Actually I don't really give a [ __ ] who Actually I don't really give a [ __ ] who helped you with your campaign. Um but helped you with your campaign. Um but helped you with your campaign. Um but now I lost where I was going with this. now I lost where I was going with this. now I lost where I was going with this. Well, you said you became obsessed with Well, you said you became obsessed with Well, you said you became obsessed with evil, uncovering evil. You focused on evil, uncovering evil. You focused on evil, uncovering evil. You focused on evil and that somehow led to a spiritual evil and that somehow led to a spiritual evil and that somehow led to a spiritual transformation. [sighs and gasps] transformation. [sighs and gasps] transformation. [sighs and gasps] >> Yeah. Well, so it never ends is >> Yeah. Well, so it never ends is >> Yeah. Well, so it never ends is basically what I'm getting. Oh, I was basically what I'm getting. Oh, I was basically what I'm getting. Oh, I was talking about audience and I was talking talking about audience and I was talking talking about audience and I was talking about being influenced and then and then about being influenced and then and then about being influenced and then and then >> and then everywhere you go, people are >> and then everywhere you go, people are >> and then everywhere you go, people are patting you on the back and patting you patting you on the back and patting you patting you on the back and patting you on the butt and you know, good job. You on the butt and you know, good job. You on the butt and you know, good job. You know, you're doing God's work. you're know, you're doing God's work. you're know, you're doing God's work. you're doing this and you see the views and you doing this and you see the views and you doing this and you see the views and you see the comments and you see the likes see the comments and you see the likes see the comments and you see the likes and you you see the all the the reaction and you you see the all the the reaction and you you see the all the the reaction videos and everybody's just praising you videos and everybody's just praising you videos and everybody's just praising you and um and it gets to you. I didn't and um and it gets to you. I didn't and um and it gets to you. I didn't realize it was getting to me but realize it was getting to me but realize it was getting to me but >> it's not the criticism that destroys >> it's not the criticism that destroys >> it's not the criticism that destroys you. It's the flattery Yeah. that you. It's the flattery Yeah. that you. It's the flattery Yeah. that destroys you destroys you destroys you >> because you >> because you >> because you but uh but uh but uh they don't know what God wants.

they don't know what God wants. they don't know what God wants. So, you got all these millions of So, you got all these millions of So, you got all these millions of people, you know what I mean, people, you know what I mean, people, you know what I mean, interacting with you, telling you these interacting with you, telling you these interacting with you, telling you these things everywhere you go and it gets to things everywhere you go and it gets to things everywhere you go and it gets to you. And, uh, you know, I did, you. And, uh, you know, I did, you. And, uh, you know, I did, you know, we talked last night about my you know, we talked last night about my you know, we talked last night about my LA I just got back from a I became five LA I just got back from a I became five LA I just got back from a I became five experience experience experience didn't go great. Um, didn't go great. Um, didn't go great. Um, found hell. found hell. found hell. Hell, hell. Hell, hell. Hell, hell. And uh I don't I don't want to go too And uh I don't I don't want to go too And uh I don't I don't want to go too far into it because I don't want to have far into it because I don't want to have far into it because I don't want to have a meltdown on your show. But uh a meltdown on your show. But uh a meltdown on your show. But uh >> it's okay. >> it's okay. >> it's okay. >> But um I'm just not ready, you know, to >> But um I'm just not ready, you know, to >> But um I'm just not ready, you know, to to dive into it. Um but but yeah, I I' to dive into it. Um but but yeah, I I' to dive into it. Um but but yeah, I I' I've I've I've felt what hell was was felt what hell was was felt what hell was was going to be like. Not like seeing devils going to be like. Not like seeing devils going to be like. Not like seeing devils and fire and whatever demons and all and fire and whatever demons and all and fire and whatever demons and all that. Like it was it was a feeling. that. Like it was it was a feeling. that. Like it was it was a feeling. And I never ever want to feel that And I never ever want to feel that And I never ever want to feel that again. Ever. So, you know, it was again. Ever. So, you know, it was again. Ever. So, you know, it was successful experience, I guess. I never successful experience, I guess. I never successful experience, I guess. I never ever want to do it again.

ever want to do it again. ever want to do it again. >> Maybe the most successful experience. >> Maybe the most successful experience. >> Maybe the most successful experience. >> Yeah, it definitely sent me down a new >> Yeah, it definitely sent me down a new >> Yeah, it definitely sent me down a new uh a new path that I'm still trying to uh a new path that I'm still trying to uh a new path that I'm still trying to figure out. But I um figure out. But I um figure out. But I um you know, I went to mass on Sunday and you know, I went to mass on Sunday and you know, I went to mass on Sunday and I'm like full-blown going back into the I'm like full-blown going back into the I'm like full-blown going back into the Catholic church now. Catholic church now. Catholic church now. And um the here in Maine I went and the And um the here in Maine I went and the And um the here in Maine I went and the priest was talking about uh I want to priest was talking about uh I want to priest was talking about uh I want to butcher this but he was talking about butcher this but he was talking about butcher this but he was talking about weeds wheat and wheat. Have you heard weeds wheat and wheat. Have you heard weeds wheat and wheat. Have you heard this no analogy? And he was good people this no analogy? And he was good people this no analogy? And he was good people are the wheat and and the bad are the are the wheat and and the bad are the are the wheat and and the bad are the weeds and and every once in a while well weeds and and every once in a while well weeds and and every once in a while well a weed will come out and he'll start a weed will come out and he'll start a weed will come out and he'll start calling out all the weeds only to become calling out all the weeds only to become calling out all the weeds only to become a weed himself. And basically what he's a weed himself. And basically what he's a weed himself. And basically what he's getting at is, you know, we I can sit getting at is, you know, we I can sit getting at is, you know, we I can sit here and I can call out this evil like here and I can call out this evil like here and I can call out this evil like all all the time, you know, and uncover all all the time, you know, and uncover all all the time, you know, and uncover all the [ __ ] up [ __ ] that everybody's all the [ __ ] up [ __ ] that everybody's all the [ __ ] up [ __ ] that everybody's doing that everybody, you know, is has doing that everybody, you know, is has doing that everybody, you know, is has put their blind faith in. And but in the put their blind faith in. And but in the put their blind faith in. And but in the end, we're we're all end, we're we're all end, we're we're all evil.

evil. evil. We all have an evil side to us. And then We all have an evil side to us. And then We all have an evil side to us. And then you meet these people and they're very you meet these people and they're very you meet these people and they're very charismatic and you're like, "Oh man, he charismatic and you're like, "Oh man, he charismatic and you're like, "Oh man, he seems like a really nice person. He's a seems like a really nice person. He's a seems like a really nice person. He's a nice guy. Maybe he is, but he's nice guy. Maybe he is, but he's nice guy. Maybe he is, but he's influenced. influenced. influenced. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> they are influenced. We are influenced. >> they are influenced. We are influenced. >> they are influenced. We are influenced. And um And um And um and and I I I think it's time to and and I I I think it's time to and and I I I think it's time to I just think it's time to turn a corner I just think it's time to turn a corner I just think it's time to turn a corner because because we are all we all have because because we are all we all have because because we are all we all have an evil side. We all are selfish in our an evil side. We all are selfish in our an evil side. We all are selfish in our own ways and and um own ways and and um own ways and and um it's too easy to call other people out it's too easy to call other people out it's too easy to call other people out all the time. all the time. all the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe they don't >> Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe they don't >> Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe they don't realize they're doing it. I think a lot realize they're doing it. I think a lot realize they're doing it. I think a lot of them do. I think a lot of them know, of them do. I think a lot of them know, of them do. I think a lot of them know, but but but I don't think that's really necessarily I don't think that's really necessarily I don't think that's really necessarily what God wants. You know, the way I used what God wants. You know, the way I used what God wants. You know, the way I used to do it is to do it is to do it is um I would wait until something came um I would wait until something came um I would wait until something came across my desk or something came to my across my desk or something came to my across my desk or something came to my attention that I felt really passionate attention that I felt really passionate attention that I felt really passionate about like kids about like kids about like kids >> and >> and >> and and then I would and then I would do the and then I would and then I would do the and then I would and then I would do the thing and it would be thing and it would be thing and it would be so explosive.

so explosive. so explosive. um it would be like the perfect storm um it would be like the perfect storm um it would be like the perfect storm and then and then all the praise came and then and then all the praise came and then and then all the praise came behind that and I think I got caught up behind that and I think I got caught up behind that and I think I got caught up in that praise and then and then I'm now in that praise and then and then I'm now in that praise and then and then I'm now I'm searching you know for the what's I'm searching you know for the what's I'm searching you know for the what's the next one what's the next thing you the next one what's the next thing you the next one what's the next thing you know let's talk about Neurolink let's know let's talk about Neurolink let's know let's talk about Neurolink let's talk about talk about talk about >> let's talk about uh Trump let's talk >> let's talk about uh Trump let's talk >> let's talk about uh Trump let's talk about Israel let's talk about every about Israel let's talk about every about Israel let's talk about every everybody everybody everybody >> everybody's doing something and uh some >> everybody's doing something and uh some >> everybody's doing something and uh some a lot more than others and and I'm still a lot more than others and and I'm still a lot more than others and and I'm still passionate about those topics, but passionate about those topics, but passionate about those topics, but [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] but it never ends. It never ends. but it never ends. It never ends. but it never ends. It never ends. And I I don't I don't uh I I I feel like And I I don't I don't uh I I I feel like And I I don't I don't uh I I I feel like I was maybe shown hell and I'm still I was maybe shown hell and I'm still I was maybe shown hell and I'm still experiencing it. Um experiencing it. Um experiencing it. Um for a reason. for a reason. for a reason. And you know, I gave you the analogy And you know, I gave you the analogy And you know, I gave you the analogy last night that last night that last night that if my son's, you know, playing with the if my son's, you know, playing with the if my son's, you know, playing with the electrical socket and he keeps sticking electrical socket and he keeps sticking electrical socket and he keeps sticking his finger in there. Um, and I'm like, his finger in there. Um, and I'm like, his finger in there. Um, and I'm like, "No, don't. Hey, you're going to shock "No, don't. Hey, you're going to shock "No, don't. Hey, you're going to shock yourself. Hey, go time out." All right, yourself. Hey, go time out." All right, yourself. Hey, go time out." All right, that's it. You know, go to your that's it. You know, go to your that's it. You know, go to your whatever. Eventually, I'm just going to whatever. Eventually, I'm just going to whatever. Eventually, I'm just going to let him stick his finger in there and let him stick his finger in there and let him stick his finger in there and figure out why I don't want him to stick figure out why I don't want him to stick figure out why I don't want him to stick his finger in this. And I think maybe his finger in this. And I think maybe his finger in this. And I think maybe that's what that's what that's what >> maybe that's what Christ did to me. He's >> maybe that's what Christ did to me. He's >> maybe that's what Christ did to me. He's He was He was like, "All right, here it He was He was like, "All right, here it He was He was like, "All right, here it is, buddy. You want to feel it? That's is, buddy. You want to feel it? That's is, buddy. You want to feel it? That's what it is. And I never want to touch what it is. And I never want to touch what it is. And I never want to touch that [ __ ] ever again." You know, if the

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Pray, build a relationship. Pray, build a relationship. Um, Um, Um, plant some seeds maybe. I don't know. plant some seeds maybe. I don't know. plant some seeds maybe. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out, you I'm still trying to figure it out, you I'm still trying to figure it out, you know. Um, know. Um, know. Um, one thing I I told I told you I've I've one thing I I told I told you I've I've one thing I I told I told you I've I've read maybe half the Bible. I can read maybe half the Bible. I can read maybe half the Bible. I can comprehend maybe 5 10% of it. And um so comprehend maybe 5 10% of it. And um so comprehend maybe 5 10% of it. And um so one thing I'm kind of kicking around is one thing I'm kind of kicking around is one thing I'm kind of kicking around is is uh maybe going through every book and is uh maybe going through every book and is uh maybe going through every book and doing a a full-blown doing a a full-blown doing a a full-blown >> I mean look we both have access to >> I mean look we both have access to >> I mean look we both have access to pretty much anybody we want in the pretty much anybody we want in the pretty much anybody we want in the world. Right. And so world. Right. And so world. Right. And so >> that's the upside of the job >> that's the upside of the job >> that's the upside of the job >> is it? Um [laughter] >> is it? Um [laughter] >> is it? Um [laughter] >> yes I think >> yes I think >> yes I think >> because they have access to you too. >> because they have access to you too. >> because they have access to you too. >> No it's fair. Um, >> No it's fair. Um, >> No it's fair. Um, and uh, and uh, and uh, but maybe I, you know, I bring on the but maybe I, you know, I bring on the but maybe I, you know, I bring on the best and the best theologians, maybe best and the best theologians, maybe best and the best theologians, maybe whoever I want to learn from and bring whoever I want to learn from and bring whoever I want to learn from and bring them in and and them in and and them in and and well, let's start with Genesis. Let's well, let's start with Genesis. Let's well, let's start with Genesis. Let's and it'll force me to read it. And then and it'll force me to read it. And then and it'll force me to read it. And then maybe we do this every week, maybe we do maybe we do this every week, maybe we do maybe we do this every week, maybe we do it every other week, maybe we do it it every other week, maybe we do it it every other week, maybe we do it every day. I don't know yet. I'm uh every day. I don't know yet. I'm uh every day. I don't know yet. I'm uh actually have a meeting with [sighs] actually have a meeting with [sighs] actually have a meeting with [sighs] with my team who's like extended family with my team who's like extended family with my team who's like extended family to me about how we're going to put this to me about how we're going to put this to me about how we're going to put this all together.

all together. all together. >> Does is everyone on your team on on >> Does is everyone on your team on on >> Does is everyone on your team on on board with this way of thinking, do you board with this way of thinking, do you board with this way of thinking, do you think? think? think? >> Yeah. >> You mean Christian? >> You mean Christian? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> When you started, what year did you >> When you started, what year did you >> When you started, what year did you start the podcast? start the podcast? start the podcast? >> Uh Christmas 2019. 2019. Boy, that's >> Uh Christmas 2019. 2019. Boy, that's >> Uh Christmas 2019. 2019. Boy, that's fast. So, seven almost seven years. Did fast. So, seven almost seven years. Did fast. So, seven almost seven years. Did you What were your views on Christianity you What were your views on Christianity you What were your views on Christianity then? then? then? >> Uh, I mean, I just didn't really think >> Uh, I mean, I just didn't really think >> Uh, I mean, I just didn't really think about it. about it. about it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I just didn't really think >> You know, I just didn't really think >> You know, I just didn't really think about it. I didn't really think about about it. I didn't really think about about it. I didn't really think about politics. But then CO happened, you politics. But then CO happened, you politics. But then CO happened, you know, shortly, what, a couple months know, shortly, what, a couple months know, shortly, what, a couple months after. And so, that's kind of when I after. And so, that's kind of when I after. And so, that's kind of when I started paying attention. started paying attention. started paying attention. I was pissed off about things about I was pissed off about things about I was pissed off about things about Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and stuff Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and stuff Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and stuff like that, but but other than that, I like that, but but other than that, I like that, but but other than that, I really really really >> seems like a different world, doesn't >> seems like a different world, doesn't >> seems like a different world, doesn't it? it? it? >> Yeah, definitely. It was a different >> Yeah, definitely. It was a different >> Yeah, definitely. It was a different world. world. world. But But But yeah, I I just uh I I've just learned yeah, I I just uh I I've just learned yeah, I I just uh I I've just learned you can't you just can't really trust you can't you just can't really trust you can't you just can't really trust anybody in that realm. Very few people anybody in that realm. Very few people anybody in that realm. Very few people he can trust. And he can trust. And he can trust. And I interviewed this guy Pete Blabber.

I interviewed this guy Pete Blabber. I interviewed this guy Pete Blabber. >> Have you heard of Pete Blabber? >> Have you heard of Pete Blabber? >> Have you heard of Pete Blabber? >> Pete Blabber was a colonel over at uh >> Pete Blabber was a colonel over at uh >> Pete Blabber was a colonel over at uh Delta Delta Delta and and and I mean we both know that tons of lies I mean we both know that tons of lies I mean we both know that tons of lies have come out of the military. It's it's have come out of the military. It's it's have come out of the military. It's it's it's it's I've noticed. it's it's I've noticed. it's it's I've noticed. >> Yeah. I mean some of the biggest he >> Yeah. I mean some of the biggest he >> Yeah. I mean some of the biggest he talked about the Pat Tman stuff. He talked about the Pat Tman stuff. He talked about the Pat Tman stuff. He talked about Operation Anaconda. talked about Operation Anaconda. talked about Operation Anaconda. you see another lie coming out of you see another lie coming out of you see another lie coming out of development group. Lots of those lots of development group. Lots of those lots of development group. Lots of those lots of lies coming out of the SEAL teams. Lots lies coming out of the SEAL teams. Lots lies coming out of the SEAL teams. Lots of movies made that were [ __ ] of movies made that were [ __ ] of movies made that were [ __ ] And And And but he actually uncovered a lot of that but he actually uncovered a lot of that but he actually uncovered a lot of that stuff on my show cuz he was a part of stuff on my show cuz he was a part of stuff on my show cuz he was a part of it. And it. And it. And like the Iraq invasion was based off of like the Iraq invasion was based off of like the Iraq invasion was based off of lies. lies. lies. Do you know about this? the the water Do you know about this? the the water Do you know about this? the the water truck and the air conditioning unit and truck and the air conditioning unit and truck and the air conditioning unit and the century guard. the century guard. the century guard. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> So there was a Delta unit out >> So there was a Delta unit out >> So there was a Delta unit out [clears throat] there and um when Colon [clears throat] there and um when Colon [clears throat] there and um when Colon Pal was what SEC defe was that what he Pal was what SEC defe was that what he Pal was what SEC defe was that what he was?

was? was? >> Yeah. Or secretary of state. >> Yeah. Or secretary of state. >> Yeah. Or secretary of state. >> Yeah. Secretary whatever. And um they >> Yeah. Secretary whatever. And um they >> Yeah. Secretary whatever. And um they sent him some imagery and Pete was like sent him some imagery and Pete was like sent him some imagery and Pete was like Pete said I don't want to hear what you Pete said I don't want to hear what you Pete said I don't want to hear what you guys think this stuff is. Me and my guys guys think this stuff is. Me and my guys guys think this stuff is. Me and my guys will figure it out. We'll get it back to will figure it out. We'll get it back to will figure it out. We'll get it back to you and then and then you'll have an you and then and then you'll have an you and then and then you'll have an unbiased. We don't want to be swayed. unbiased. We don't want to be swayed. unbiased. We don't want to be swayed. And um so they And um so they And um so they they checked into it and so what what I they checked into it and so what what I they checked into it and so what what I guess Department of State said was a uh guess Department of State said was a uh guess Department of State said was a uh mobile mobile mobile Scud missile launcher and uh a WMD Scud missile launcher and uh a WMD Scud missile launcher and uh a WMD factory with a huge air filtration factory with a huge air filtration factory with a huge air filtration system on the roof and sentry guards system on the roof and sentry guards system on the roof and sentry guards outside the door. [sighs] outside the door. [sighs] outside the door. [sighs] What Delta, you know, arguably the best What Delta, you know, arguably the best What Delta, you know, arguably the best special operations unit in the world, special operations unit in the world, special operations unit in the world, came up with is that's a water truck, came up with is that's a water truck, came up with is that's a water truck, huge water truck cuz they're in the huge water truck cuz they're in the huge water truck cuz they're in the middle of the desert and they need middle of the desert and they need middle of the desert and they need water. And that big air filtration unit water. And that big air filtration unit water. And that big air filtration unit uh on the roof is an air conditioner cuz uh on the roof is an air conditioner cuz uh on the roof is an air conditioner cuz they're in the desert. And the sentry they're in the desert. And the sentry they're in the desert. And the sentry guard outside is uh dude taking a piss guard outside is uh dude taking a piss guard outside is uh dude taking a piss [laughter] and he sent it in and they totally dis and he sent it in and they totally dis dis uh discarded everything and uh dis uh discarded everything and uh dis uh discarded everything and uh launched the invasion and so you know launched the invasion and so you know launched the invasion and so you know and then and then there's you know you and then and then there's you know you and then and then there's you know you know about all the thing I don't want to know about all the thing I don't want to know about all the thing I don't want to get into it but uh with all the lies get into it but uh with all the lies get into it but uh with all the lies coming out of just the SEAL teams alone coming out of just the SEAL teams alone coming out of just the SEAL teams alone and and and there are a lot of lies coming out of

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institution. institution. That's I wish I never was. And That's I wish I never was. And That's I wish I never was. And >> you wish you were never a Navy Seal. >> you wish you were never a Navy Seal. >> you wish you were never a Navy Seal. >> I mean, I don't regret it. I I I enjoyed >> I mean, I don't regret it. I I I enjoyed >> I mean, I don't regret it. I I I enjoyed my time there, but I mean it just my time there, but I mean it just my time there, but I mean it just I obviously don't align with the ethics I obviously don't align with the ethics I obviously don't align with the ethics and uh [clears throat] and uh [clears throat] and uh [clears throat] and whatever value system they're going and whatever value system they're going and whatever value system they're going off of, which doesn't seem to be much. off of, which doesn't seem to be much. off of, which doesn't seem to be much. But anyways, the point being is But anyways, the point being is But anyways, the point being is that's just one institution inside of that's just one institution inside of that's just one institution inside of the US Navy. the US Navy. the US Navy. That's it. one small That's it. one small That's it. one small like very SEAL teams, very very small like very SEAL teams, very very small like very SEAL teams, very very small part of the US Navy and then he's part of the US Navy and then he's part of the US Navy and then he's talking about Ranger Battalion and then talking about Ranger Battalion and then talking about Ranger Battalion and then there's all these other units and it's there's all these other units and it's there's all these other units and it's and and it just made me think it's like and and it just made me think it's like and and it just made me think it's like man like this is just one war in one man like this is just one war in one man like this is just one war in one small part of the US government very small part of the US government very small part of the US government very small part. So that means every single small part. So that means every single small part. So that means every single US institution out there is doing the US institution out there is doing the US institution out there is doing the same [ __ ] Obviously CIA, obviously FBI, same [ __ ] Obviously CIA, obviously FBI, same [ __ ] Obviously CIA, obviously FBI, of everything, all Congress, all of the of everything, all Congress, all of the of everything, all Congress, all of the Senate, everybody in it, the presidents, Senate, everybody in it, the presidents, Senate, everybody in it, the presidents, everybody.

everybody. everybody. And it just it made me realize how dis And it just it made me realize how dis And it just it made me realize how dis the whole country is just built off the whole country is just built off the whole country is just built off dishonesty. dishonesty. dishonesty. Literally lies. And then you think, man, Literally lies. And then you think, man, Literally lies. And then you think, man, I'm only I'm only 40 years I'm only 43 I'm only I'm only 40 years I'm only 43 I'm only I'm only 40 years I'm only 43 years old. years old. years old. Like a very small snippet in the time of Like a very small snippet in the time of Like a very small snippet in the time of the country, let alone the world and all the country, let alone the world and all the country, let alone the world and all the other countries and all of their the other countries and all of their the other countries and all of their institutions. institutions. institutions. And then and then it's and then it's And then and then it's and then it's And then and then it's and then it's just just just it's like what we said last time. it's like what we said last time. it's like what we said last time. Everything is a lie. Everything you Everything is a lie. Everything you Everything is a lie. Everything you [ __ ] know is a lie. Everything you [ __ ] know is a lie. Everything you [ __ ] know is a lie. Everything you think you know, everything in the think you know, everything in the think you know, everything in the history books, it's all [ __ ] lies. history books, it's all [ __ ] lies. history books, it's all [ __ ] lies. All of it. So when you look ahead, you became one So when you look ahead, you became one of the most successful people in this of the most successful people in this of the most successful people in this business, amazingly. business, amazingly. business, amazingly. Um, so there's only one truth and I I I think that's I'm just not and I I I think that's I'm just not really interested in anything else really interested in anything else really interested in anything else anymore because it's all garbage. And anymore because it's all garbage. And anymore because it's all garbage. And it's that, you know, black book right it's that, you know, black book right it's that, you know, black book right behind you, the Holy Bible.

behind you, the Holy Bible. behind you, the Holy Bible. >> That's the one truth. >> That's the one truth. >> That's the one truth. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. You can't even look anywhere else. It's You can't even look anywhere else. It's You can't even look anywhere else. It's so It's so painfully obvious at this so It's so painfully obvious at this so It's so painfully obvious at this point point point to me, other than the experience you just had other than the experience you just had that you alluded to, what convinced you? that you alluded to, what convinced you? that you alluded to, what convinced you? uh uh uh that that's real. that that's real. that that's real. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, I've had a ton of encounters. Um >> Well, I've had a ton of encounters. Um >> Well, I've had a ton of encounters. Um but but but >> encounters. >> encounters. >> encounters. >> Yeah. You know, um >> Yeah. You know, um >> Yeah. You know, um I mean, if I took I mean, even after I mean, if I took I mean, even after I mean, if I took I mean, even after that, there's there's been a after it's that, there's there's been a after it's that, there's there's been a after it's been a long 3 weeks. And uh I I'll just been a long 3 weeks. And uh I I'll just been a long 3 weeks. And uh I I'll just say this. Um, I've talked to uh some of the most I've talked to uh some of the most respected exorcists in the country and respected exorcists in the country and respected exorcists in the country and um um um I've been working with them and I've been working with them and I've been working with them and things have happened and uh things have happened and uh things have happened and uh like really scary [ __ ] like really scary [ __ ] like really scary [ __ ] And And And if that's happening if that's happening if that's happening and that's real, which is more real than and that's real, which is more real than and that's real, which is more real than anything I've ever experienced, um then

anything I've ever experienced, um then anything I've ever experienced, um then the other is definitely real, too. the other is definitely real, too. the other is definitely real, too. That's right. That's exactly right. It's That's right. That's exactly right. It's That's right. That's exactly right. It's exactly right. If there are supernatural exactly right. If there are supernatural exactly right. If there are supernatural forces that are evil acting on people, forces that are evil acting on people, forces that are evil acting on people, which there are, and I've experienced which there are, and I've experienced which there are, and I've experienced them personally, them personally, them personally, then that's proof of God. then that's proof of God. then that's proof of God. Is that Is that what you're saying? Is that Is that what you're saying? Is that Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah. It's not faith to me anymore. It's >> Yeah. It's not faith to me anymore. It's >> Yeah. It's not faith to me anymore. It's it's fact. It is 100% fact. There's just it's fact. It is 100% fact. There's just it's fact. It is 100% fact. There's just there's there's just no other way to there's there's just no other way to there's there's just no other way to look at it. Isn't that a comforting fact? Isn't that a comforting fact? >> Yeah, it is. >> Yeah, it is. >> Yeah, it is. I mean, I don't know what the hell we're I mean, I don't know what the hell we're I mean, I don't know what the hell we're in for here in the future, [laughter] in for here in the future, [laughter] in for here in the future, [laughter] but um so but I mean, it's definitely but um so but I mean, it's definitely but um so but I mean, it's definitely comforting um knowing that if you comforting um knowing that if you comforting um knowing that if you if you if you if you if you do the right thing, and we all if you do the right thing, and we all if you do the right thing, and we all know what that is, know what that is, know what that is, um and you do your best, then then um and you do your best, then then um and you do your best, then then hopefully you're going to end up, you hopefully you're going to end up, you hopefully you're going to end up, you know, in a good place.

know, in a good place. know, in a good place. >> I'm not sure all of us know what the >> I'm not sure all of us know what the >> I'm not sure all of us know what the right thing is. When you say do the right thing is. When you say do the right thing is. When you say do the right thing, what is that thing? Oh, I right thing, what is that thing? Oh, I right thing, what is that thing? Oh, I think people know it's a feeling. You think these people all feel good You think these people all feel good about all the lies [laughter] they're about all the lies [laughter] they're about all the lies [laughter] they're spreading around? spreading around? spreading around? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> They get lost in them. They forget what >> They get lost in them. They forget what >> They get lost in them. They forget what if they lie so much they forget what if they lie so much they forget what if they lie so much they forget what they lied about. Can't even keep track of them all. Can't even keep track of them all. Lying is like that, isn't it? Lying is like that, isn't it? Lying is like that, isn't it? Did you There's not a lot of talk about Did you There's not a lot of talk about Did you There's not a lot of talk about hell in the United States. You're hell in the United States. You're hell in the United States. You're younger than I am, but we grew up in the younger than I am, but we grew up in the younger than I am, but we grew up in the same country. You don't, you know, you same country. You don't, you know, you same country. You don't, you know, you can go a whole day without hearing can go a whole day without hearing can go a whole day without hearing anyone mention hell in a literal sense. anyone mention hell in a literal sense. anyone mention hell in a literal sense. There's no Most Americans don't really There's no Most Americans don't really There's no Most Americans don't really believe there's a actual risk of going believe there's a actual risk of going believe there's a actual risk of going to hell. Did you? to hell. Did you? to hell. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But I just never imagined it to be >> But I just never imagined it to be >> But I just never imagined it to be anything close to what I just anything close to what I just anything close to what I just experienced.

Never. Never. What did you think it was? Never. Never. What did you think it was? >> I don't know, you know, and I don't >> I don't know, you know, and I don't >> I don't know, you know, and I don't know. I mean, I don't think the human mind can imagine I don't think the human mind can imagine that kind of agony and torture and and that kind of agony and torture and and that kind of agony and torture and and and and and aloneeness. aloneeness. aloneeness. >> Aloneess. >> Aloneess. >> Aloneess. >> Yeah. I don't think I don't think it you >> Yeah. I don't think I don't think it you >> Yeah. I don't think I don't think it you just can't you can't put it together just can't you can't put it together just can't you can't put it together unless you feel it. And uh and I I I unless you feel it. And uh and I I I unless you feel it. And uh and I I I either felt a small glimpse or I got the either felt a small glimpse or I got the either felt a small glimpse or I got the whole thing either way. Um whole thing either way. Um whole thing either way. Um I'm sure it could be a lot worse. I I'm sure it could be a lot worse. I I'm sure it could be a lot worse. I don't know how, don't know how, don't know how, but this um it was bad. It was it was really the it was bad. It was it was really the most terrifying thing I've ever most terrifying thing I've ever most terrifying thing I've ever experienced in my entire life. Can't experienced in my entire life. Can't experienced in my entire life. Can't even describe it. I I actually brought my priest on it. I I actually brought my priest on and um recorded a whole episode on this. and um recorded a whole episode on this. and um recorded a whole episode on this. I don't know if I'll release it cuz it's I don't know if I'll release it cuz it's I don't know if I'll release it cuz it's it's uh I mean it's personal, it's uh I mean it's personal, it's uh I mean it's personal, but I want it for my family to see if but I want it for my family to see if but I want it for my family to see if nothing else, you know? I want my son nothing else, you know? I want my son nothing else, you know? I want my son and my daughter to to see it eventually.

and my daughter to to see it eventually. and my daughter to to see it eventually. Maybe they'll go through something Maybe they'll go through something Maybe they'll go through something similar. And uh and like I said, it's similar. And uh and like I said, it's similar. And uh and like I said, it's ongoing. So, I I want to I'm not out of ongoing. So, I I want to I'm not out of ongoing. So, I I want to I'm not out of whatever this is yet. So, I want to document the whole spirit So, I want to document the whole spirit experience. Some people journal. I I I experience. Some people journal. I I I experience. Some people journal. I I I just shoot the video. I talk. just shoot the video. I talk. just shoot the video. I talk. Why wouldn't you release that? Why wouldn't you release that? Why wouldn't you release that? I don't know. I don't know. I just want I don't know. I don't know. I just want I don't know. I don't know. I just want to make sure I have a uh I'm in a clear to make sure I have a uh I'm in a clear to make sure I have a uh I'm in a clear headsp space before I before I do do it. headsp space before I before I do do it. headsp space before I before I do do it. You know what I mean? I I think that's You know what I mean? I I think that's You know what I mean? I I think that's very wise. I never wait for a clear head very wise. I never wait for a clear head very wise. I never wait for a clear head space before making decisions. space before making decisions. space before making decisions. >> I usually don't either. [laughter] >> I usually don't either. [laughter] >> I usually don't either. [laughter] >> I paid the price many times. >> I paid the price many times. >> I paid the price many times. >> I usually don't either. >> I usually don't either. >> I usually don't either. >> Yeah. No, I'm not a pause before acting >> Yeah. No, I'm not a pause before acting >> Yeah. No, I'm not a pause before acting guy. guy. guy. >> It gets it gets uh I mean I think you >> It gets it gets uh I mean I think you >> It gets it gets uh I mean I think you know I've been pretty vulnerable. I'm an know I've been pretty vulnerable. I'm an know I've been pretty vulnerable. I'm an open book and uh it's what one what open book and uh it's what one what open book and uh it's what one what [clears throat] I don't know maybe I [clears throat] I don't know maybe I [clears throat] I don't know maybe I just save this one for myself cuz most just save this one for myself cuz most just save this one for myself cuz most of my stuff is out there and uh you know of my stuff is out there and uh you know of my stuff is out there and uh you know the only thing I really won't talk about the only thing I really won't talk about the only thing I really won't talk about is like my family um is like my family um is like my family um >> but that's not you that's them you're >> but that's not you that's them you're >> but that's not you that's them you're protecting protecting protecting >> Yeah. But, you know, it gets weird like >> Yeah. But, you know, it gets weird like >> Yeah. But, you know, it gets weird like meet people and they they think they meet people and they they think they meet people and they they think they know you cuz they do kind of, but you know you cuz they do kind of, but you know you cuz they do kind of, but you you're like, "What you're like, "What you're like, "What do you know about me? What have you do you know about me? What have you do you know about me? What have you heard that I've said?

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[ __ ] you're talking about, dude. [ __ ] you're talking about, dude. >> I've been there so many if you run a >> I've been there so many if you run a >> I've been there so many if you run a cable news show where you're not in cable news show where you're not in cable news show where you're not in control of the topics. You're responding control of the topics. You're responding control of the topics. You're responding to the day news. I did this for like 25 to the day news. I did this for like 25 to the day news. I did this for like 25 years and you just, you know, you look years and you just, you know, you look years and you just, you know, you look at the papers or Twitter or whatever and at the papers or Twitter or whatever and at the papers or Twitter or whatever and it's whatever everyone's talking about, it's whatever everyone's talking about, it's whatever everyone's talking about, that's what you have to talk about. And that's what you have to talk about. And that's what you have to talk about. And sometimes it's right in your sweet spot sometimes it's right in your sweet spot sometimes it's right in your sweet spot of knowledge. And other times it's so of knowledge. And other times it's so of knowledge. And other times it's so far out, you know, it's about American far out, you know, it's about American far out, you know, it's about American Indian reservation policy or something. Indian reservation policy or something. Indian reservation policy or something. It's like you don't know anything. And It's like you don't know anything. And It's like you don't know anything. And you all of a sudden you sort of look you all of a sudden you sort of look you all of a sudden you sort of look down on the set and see yourself down on the set and see yourself down on the set and see yourself speaking when kind of a commanding tone speaking when kind of a commanding tone speaking when kind of a commanding tone with with with >> false authority on something you >> false authority on something you >> false authority on something you literally know nothing about at all. literally know nothing about at all. literally know nothing about at all. >> And then eventually you get caught. >> And then eventually you get caught. >> And then eventually you get caught. >> Of course. or you indict yourself like >> Of course. or you indict yourself like >> Of course. or you indict yourself like you lose selfrespect [clears throat] you lose selfrespect [clears throat] you lose selfrespect [clears throat] after a while because you know it's all after a while because you know it's all after a while because you know it's all fake fake fake >> which is worse I think and I've >> which is worse I think and I've >> which is worse I think and I've definitely participated in that you know definitely participated in that you know definitely participated in that you know definitely participated in that let me definitely participated in that let me definitely participated in that let me tell you about the Hungarian civil war tell you about the Hungarian civil war tell you about the Hungarian civil war [laughter] says the says the man who [laughter] says the says the man who [laughter] says the says the man who doesn't speak Hungarian or whatever you doesn't speak Hungarian or whatever you doesn't speak Hungarian or whatever you know what I mean it's like um yeah know what I mean it's like um yeah know what I mean it's like um yeah that's bad and that's the beauty of this that's bad and that's the beauty of this that's bad and that's the beauty of this gig is you get to pick you get to talk gig is you get to pick you get to talk gig is you get to pick you get to talk about what you want to talk about and if about what you want to talk about and if about what you want to talk about and if you have some restraint and again some you have some restraint and again some you have some restraint and again some self-respect you you restrict yourself self-respect you you restrict yourself self-respect you you restrict yourself to topics that you know you have to topics that you know you have to topics that you know you have developed views about some knowledge of developed views about some knowledge of developed views about some knowledge of you think matter like objectively you think matter like objectively you think matter like objectively matter.

matter. matter. >> Yeah. You don't have to talk about other >> Yeah. You don't have to talk about other >> Yeah. You don't have to talk about other people's priorities. So that helps. people's priorities. So that helps. people's priorities. So that helps. >> Yeah. I I like hanging out with you >> Yeah. I I like hanging out with you >> Yeah. I I like hanging out with you though. So I want to do this one. I like though. So I want to do this one. I like though. So I want to do this one. I like I like this one. I don't I like this one. I don't I like this one. I don't >> Yeah. Well, I'm not I'm I'm too old to >> Yeah. Well, I'm not I'm I'm too old to >> Yeah. Well, I'm not I'm I'm too old to judge. [laughter] But uh but I mean you judge. [laughter] But uh but I mean you judge. [laughter] But uh but I mean you know back to the and it just got to the know back to the and it just got to the know back to the and it just got to the point too where I I just I don't even point too where I I just I don't even point too where I I just I don't even know know know I don't even know why. Like I'm just I don't even know why. Like I'm just I don't even know why. Like I'm just beating the same [ __ ] drum over and beating the same [ __ ] drum over and beating the same [ __ ] drum over and over and it's like over and it's like over and it's like >> what are we doing here man? Is is >> what are we doing here man? Is is >> what are we doing here man? Is is anything getting solved? Like if anything getting solved? Like if anything getting solved? Like if everybody knows what's going on now. everybody knows what's going on now. everybody knows what's going on now. It's it's it's out there. How many times It's it's it's out there. How many times It's it's it's out there. How many times can you point out that everything's a can you point out that everything's a can you point out that everything's a lie before it's like lie before it's like lie before it's like >> pointless >> pointless >> pointless >> pretty much >> pretty much >> pretty much >> and discouraging by the way is that this >> and discouraging by the way is that this >> and discouraging by the way is that this is what I think to myself cuz I have had is what I think to myself cuz I have had is what I think to myself cuz I have had exactly the same thoughts that you're exactly the same thoughts that you're exactly the same thoughts that you're describing. It's like is this good is it describing. It's like is this good is it describing. It's like is this good is it good to keep tell I mean obviously 9/11 good to keep tell I mean obviously 9/11 good to keep tell I mean obviously 9/11 is not what they told us. I'm not is not what they told us. I'm not is not what they told us. I'm not exactly sure what it was but they're exactly sure what it was but they're exactly sure what it was but they're lying about it. Kennedy assassination lying about it. Kennedy assassination lying about it. Kennedy assassination obviously they're lying about it.

obviously they're lying about it. obviously they're lying about it. everything they're lying about cuz everything they're lying about cuz everything they're lying about cuz they're liars. So, I've made all those they're liars. So, I've made all those they're liars. So, I've made all those points about a million times, but with points about a million times, but with points about a million times, but with decreasing enthusiasm. And at a certain decreasing enthusiasm. And at a certain decreasing enthusiasm. And at a certain point, you're like, I'm telling people point, you're like, I'm telling people point, you're like, I'm telling people something they already know. I'm not something they already know. I'm not something they already know. I'm not actually bringing the truth because the actually bringing the truth because the actually bringing the truth because the truth is unknowable. Like, I can't truth is unknowable. Like, I can't truth is unknowable. Like, I can't figure out what happened really. figure out what happened really. figure out what happened really. And maybe I'm just making people And maybe I'm just making people And maybe I'm just making people hopeless. hopeless. hopeless. That's kind of what I'm getting at. That's kind of what I'm getting at. That's kind of what I'm getting at. I mean, what do you think it looks like I mean, what do you think it looks like I mean, what do you think it looks like if Well, not really. I I mean, I think I if Well, not really. I I mean, I think I if Well, not really. I I mean, I think I don't even think we're the superpower don't even think we're the superpower don't even think we're the superpower anymore. I think that's becoming more anymore. I think that's becoming more anymore. I think that's becoming more and more obvious every day, but a lot of and more obvious every day, but a lot of and more obvious every day, but a lot of people do. So, let's phrase it like people do. So, let's phrase it like people do. So, let's phrase it like this. What What do you think it looks this. What What do you think it looks this. What What do you think it looks like if we do lose this lose our place like if we do lose this lose our place like if we do lose this lose our place in the world? Is it do you think it's in the world? Is it do you think it's in the world? Is it do you think it's going to be that bad? going to be that bad? going to be that bad? I've been looking into some of this with I've been looking into some of this with I've been looking into some of this with what happened when Germany fell and what what happened when Germany fell and what what happened when Germany fell and what happened when the UK fell and what happened when the UK fell and what happened when the UK fell and what happened to the USSR when it fell and happened to the USSR when it fell and happened to the USSR when it fell and [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] some of them were really bad and some of some of them were really bad and some of some of them were really bad and some of them like the UK stuff didn't it didn't them like the UK stuff didn't it didn't them like the UK stuff didn't it didn't really seem that bad like really seem that bad like really seem that bad like [clears throat] they still had law and [clears throat] they still had law and [clears throat] they still had law and order their currency was still worth order their currency was still worth order their currency was still worth money I think they had a lot of debt money I think they had a lot of debt money I think they had a lot of debt um property rights still existed And And but they just but they just but they just the world figured it out. We don't need the world figured it out. We don't need the world figured it out. We don't need to answer these people anymore. There's to answer these people anymore. There's to answer these people anymore. There's a new sheriff in town.

a new sheriff in town. a new sheriff in town. >> There are only two things you need to >> There are only two things you need to >> There are only two things you need to survive long term in my opinion. survive long term in my opinion. survive long term in my opinion. One is a coherent nation. Like you have One is a coherent nation. Like you have One is a coherent nation. Like you have to have Germans. Like everyone to have Germans. Like everyone to have Germans. Like everyone understands what a German is. You've got understands what a German is. You've got understands what a German is. You've got a shared history, language, cultural a shared history, language, cultural a shared history, language, cultural assumptions. Like you have something in assumptions. Like you have something in assumptions. Like you have something in common with your countrymen. common with your countrymen. common with your countrymen. And you have to have your dignity and And you have to have your dignity and And you have to have your dignity and your self-respect. You can't be your self-respect. You can't be your self-respect. You can't be convinced to hate yourself just because convinced to hate yourself just because convinced to hate yourself just because you lost something. you lost something. you lost something. They can't break your spirit. They can't They can't break your spirit. They can't They can't break your spirit. They can't turn you into the prison [ __ ] turn you into the prison [ __ ] turn you into the prison [ __ ] And because if that happens, then And because if that happens, then And because if that happens, then there's no recovery at all. And and the there's no recovery at all. And and the there's no recovery at all. And and the loss isn't measured in GDP. It's like loss isn't measured in GDP. It's like loss isn't measured in GDP. It's like much bigger than that. And so I would much bigger than that. And so I would much bigger than that. And so I would argue that the collapse of the British argue that the collapse of the British argue that the collapse of the British Empire, the collapse of the German state Empire, the collapse of the German state Empire, the collapse of the German state in 1945, the country was literally split in 1945, the country was literally split in 1945, the country was literally split in half. I mean those were pretty soft in half. I mean those were pretty soft in half. I mean those were pretty soft landings on a surface level, but they landings on a surface level, but they landings on a surface level, but they were profound and those nations were were profound and those nations were were profound and those nations were destroyed for all time. Whereas Russia, destroyed for all time. Whereas Russia, destroyed for all time. Whereas Russia, [clears throat] which went through in ' [clears throat] which went through in ' [clears throat] which went through in ' 91 when the Soviet Union dissolved, went 91 when the Soviet Union dissolved, went 91 when the Soviet Union dissolved, went through a period of, you know, 10 years through a period of, you know, 10 years through a period of, you know, 10 years of lawlessness and the oligarchs and the of lawlessness and the oligarchs and the of lawlessness and the oligarchs and the mafia and people getting shot to death mafia and people getting shot to death mafia and people getting shot to death in Moscow and life expectancy plummeting in Moscow and life expectancy plummeting in Moscow and life expectancy plummeting and everything that we read about in the and everything that we read about in the and everything that we read about in the Western press, but actually Russia Western press, but actually Russia Western press, but actually Russia remained a coherent nation remained a coherent nation remained a coherent nation with a shared vision of the future. It with a shared vision of the future. It with a shared vision of the future. It remained an actual place, like a real remained an actual place, like a real remained an actual place, like a real place.

place. place. And now it's recovered and now it's a And now it's recovered and now it's a And now it's recovered and now it's a great it's a great power again. It's the great it's a great power again. It's the great it's a great power again. It's the [clears throat] world's largest country [clears throat] world's largest country [clears throat] world's largest country and it and it has a sense of itself as and it and it has a sense of itself as and it and it has a sense of itself as that and it will continue. It will that and it will continue. It will that and it will continue. It will outlive us. It will outlive Germany and outlive us. It will outlive Germany and outlive us. It will outlive Germany and the UK. That's for sure. Whe whether you the UK. That's for sure. Whe whether you the UK. That's for sure. Whe whether you you know my ancestors are from the UK in you know my ancestors are from the UK in you know my ancestors are from the UK in Germany. So like I'm kind of on their Germany. So like I'm kind of on their Germany. So like I'm kind of on their side in some deep sense. But just side in some deep sense. But just side in some deep sense. But just objectively they're not going to exist objectively they're not going to exist objectively they're not going to exist because there's no such thing as a because there's no such thing as a because there's no such thing as a German anymore. The majority of births German anymore. The majority of births German anymore. The majority of births in the UK are non-English. So like what in the UK are non-English. So like what in the UK are non-English. So like what does it even mean to there's no country. does it even mean to there's no country. does it even mean to there's no country. But before that, I mean, it was a soft But before that, I mean, it was a soft But before that, I mean, it was a soft landing. landing. landing. >> Yeah, they had rationing in Britain for >> Yeah, they had rationing in Britain for >> Yeah, they had rationing in Britain for 10 years after the war. And 10 years after the war. And 10 years after the war. And >> they had r I didn't realize. >> they had r I didn't realize. >> they had r I didn't realize. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. They had I think for 10 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. They had I think for 10 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. They had I think for 10 I some genius on the internet will I some genius on the internet will I some genius on the internet will correct me, but I I think Yeah, for 10 correct me, but I I think Yeah, for 10 correct me, but I I think Yeah, for 10 years. Oh, it wrecked the British years. Oh, it wrecked the British years. Oh, it wrecked the British economy. The fall of empire. The empire economy. The fall of empire. The empire economy. The fall of empire. The empire really ended in 1918. But but whatever. really ended in 1918. But but whatever. really ended in 1918. But but whatever. The point is you Americans still thought The point is you Americans still thought The point is you Americans still thought Britain was a real country and Britain was a real country and Britain was a real country and impressive. It was our parent being impressive. It was our parent being impressive. It was our parent being ambassador of the court of St. James was ambassador of the court of St. James was ambassador of the court of St. James was the highest honor in the US State the highest honor in the US State the highest honor in the US State Department. Like there was a a lot of Department. Like there was a a lot of Department. Like there was a a lot of prestige that attached to Britain. Not prestige that attached to Britain. Not prestige that attached to Britain. Not so much anymore. But so much anymore. But so much anymore. But but the country itself was gone.

but the country itself was gone. but the country itself was gone. And you know you're gone when you start And you know you're gone when you start And you know you're gone when you start importing people to replace your importing people to replace your importing people to replace your children. children. children. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like that's just the most obvious. You >> Like that's just the most obvious. You >> Like that's just the most obvious. You know what what's your birth rate doing? know what what's your birth rate doing? know what what's your birth rate doing? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Are people reproducing? Do they have >> Are people reproducing? Do they have >> Are people reproducing? Do they have enough confidence and enough enough confidence and enough enough confidence and enough self-respect to to keep the project self-respect to to keep the project self-respect to to keep the project going with their genes? And uh no, they going with their genes? And uh no, they going with their genes? And uh no, they don't. So don't. So don't. So I think the bigger the empire, I think the bigger the empire, I think the bigger the empire, the farther out over its skis it gets, the farther out over its skis it gets, the farther out over its skis it gets, obviously the more obviously the more obviously the more >> harder it falls. >> harder it falls. >> harder it falls. >> Exactly. The uglier the crash. And I'm >> Exactly. The uglier the crash. And I'm >> Exactly. The uglier the crash. And I'm worried about our country because there worried about our country because there worried about our country because there is no coherent nation. is no coherent nation. is no coherent nation. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, Well, Well, >> I spoke to an employer this morning, a >> I spoke to an employer this morning, a >> I spoke to an employer this morning, a big industrial employer who's a close big industrial employer who's a close big industrial employer who's a close friend of mine, friend of mine, friend of mine, you know, Republican, optimistic, very you know, Republican, optimistic, very you know, Republican, optimistic, very smart, very smart person, very decent smart, very smart person, very decent smart, very smart person, very decent Christian person. And he said to me, uh, Christian person. And he said to me, uh, Christian person. And he said to me, uh, we we have zero unemployment in the we we have zero unemployment in the we we have zero unemployment in the state that he's a Midwestern state. He state that he's a Midwestern state. He state that he's a Midwestern state. He said, zero unemployment. I don't care said, zero unemployment. I don't care said, zero unemployment. I don't care what they tell you. We can't find what they tell you. We can't find what they tell you. We can't find English- speakaking workers. Nobody English- speakaking workers. Nobody English- speakaking workers. Nobody speak English. And you have to to work speak English. And you have to to work speak English. And you have to to work in our plan. you have to speak English in our plan. you have to speak English in our plan. you have to speak English for safety reasons for safety reasons for safety reasons and we can't there nobody speaks English and we can't there nobody speaks English and we can't there nobody speaks English >> and this is in a major American >> and this is in a major American >> and this is in a major American Midwestern state this is a major Midwestern state this is a major Midwestern state this is a major industrial company makes things he said industrial company makes things he said industrial company makes things he said we can't nobody in fact he told me one we can't nobody in fact he told me one we can't nobody in fact he told me one of his competitors is going out of of his competitors is going out of of his competitors is going out of business because of labor shortages and business because of labor shortages and business because of labor shortages and the problem is English there just aren't the problem is English there just aren't the problem is English there just aren't enough English speakers in the United enough English speakers in the United enough English speakers in the United States to staff a factory holy [ __ ] so I

States to staff a factory holy [ __ ] so I States to staff a factory holy [ __ ] so I think those of us who live in kind of think those of us who live in kind of think those of us who live in kind of like legacy the communities where, you like legacy the communities where, you like legacy the communities where, you know, half the your neighbors had an know, half the your neighbors had an know, half the your neighbors had an ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing what the country is becoming what the country is becoming what the country is becoming because we're cut off from it cuz we because we're cut off from it cuz we because we're cut off from it cuz we live in these little pockets that look live in these little pockets that look live in these little pockets that look like our childhood, but they're but like our childhood, but they're but like our childhood, but they're but that's not a reflection of what the that's not a reflection of what the that's not a reflection of what the country is. country is. country is. That's not happening in Russia or China That's not happening in Russia or China That's not happening in Russia or China or Iran. or Iran. or Iran. So those are the measures like all this So those are the measures like all this So those are the measures like all this stuff like oh the nuclear program and stuff like oh the nuclear program and stuff like oh the nuclear program and whoever is running the country today and whoever is running the country today and whoever is running the country today and Yeltson versus Putin. It's like who Yeltson versus Putin. It's like who Yeltson versus Putin. It's like who cares? That's all that's all window cares? That's all that's all window cares? That's all that's all window dress. I mean those are meaningful I dress. I mean those are meaningful I dress. I mean those are meaningful I guess. I mean of course they're guess. I mean of course they're guess. I mean of course they're meaningful but they're not ultimately meaningful but they're not ultimately meaningful but they're not ultimately the measures that matter. What matters the measures that matter. What matters the measures that matter. What matters is who lives in your country. Are there is who lives in your country. Are there is who lives in your country. Are there people whose ancestors live there or are people whose ancestors live there or are people whose ancestors live there or are they brand new people who have no they brand new people who have no they brand new people who have no connection at all the country are likely connection at all the country are likely connection at all the country are likely to treat the current occupants with to treat the current occupants with to treat the current occupants with contempt and is it a source of income contempt and is it a source of income contempt and is it a source of income and people to be exploited and people to be exploited and people to be exploited >> anyway. [clears throat] >> anyway. [clears throat] >> anyway. [clears throat] So yeah, So yeah, So yeah, I'm concerned.

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person you want everybody else to be. person you want everybody else to be. And that probably won't work. But that's And that probably won't work. But that's And that probably won't work. But that's what I'm going to do. what I'm going to do. what I'm going to do. >> That's the only That's the only thing >> That's the only That's the only thing >> That's the only That's the only thing that will work. Be the person you want that will work. Be the person you want that will work. Be the person you want everyone else to be. everyone else to be. everyone else to be. Have you ever had this experience when Have you ever had this experience when Have you ever had this experience when you're arguing with someone up to and you're arguing with someone up to and you're arguing with someone up to and including your wife, but you're mad at including your wife, but you're mad at including your wife, but you're mad at someone who you know well, and you look someone who you know well, and you look someone who you know well, and you look at that person in your mind, you're at that person in your mind, you're at that person in your mind, you're like, I'm mad at Sean cuz he's doing like, I'm mad at Sean cuz he's doing like, I'm mad at Sean cuz he's doing this, he's being this way, and if only this, he's being this way, and if only this, he's being this way, and if only he would stop doing this or being that he would stop doing this or being that he would stop doing this or being that way, things would be fine. way, things would be fine. way, things would be fine. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then this is like a very common >> And then this is like a very common >> And then this is like a very common common marital experience, I think, for common marital experience, I think, for common marital experience, I think, for people. people. people. >> And then you ultimately realize like >> And then you ultimately realize like >> And then you ultimately realize like whatever you're accusing the other whatever you're accusing the other whatever you're accusing the other person of doing is exactly what you're person of doing is exactly what you're person of doing is exactly what you're doing. like you're being grouchy. doing. like you're being grouchy. doing. like you're being grouchy. >> Yeah. You realize actually I'm being >> Yeah. You realize actually I'm being >> Yeah. You realize actually I'm being grouchy. grouchy. grouchy. >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't think like me. >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't think like me. >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't think like me. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But there's something in people that >> But there's something in people that >> But there's something in people that wants to accuse others of doing exactly wants to accuse others of doing exactly wants to accuse others of doing exactly what they're doing.

what they're doing. what they're doing. >> Have you done that? >> Have you done that? >> Have you done that? >> Oh, all the time. >> Oh, all the time. >> Oh, all the time. All the time. And it sometimes I can't All the time. And it sometimes I can't All the time. And it sometimes I can't even see it because al I'm big on even see it because al I'm big on even see it because al I'm big on self-reflection and uh self-reflection and uh self-reflection and uh how I can improve and I'm I'm uh really how I can improve and I'm I'm uh really how I can improve and I'm I'm uh really big on trying to you making sure that I big on trying to you making sure that I big on trying to you making sure that I don't get too far ahead of my skis that don't get too far ahead of my skis that don't get too far ahead of my skis that my my ego doesn't blow up. my my ego doesn't blow up. my my ego doesn't blow up. But But But you just don't see a lot of things. You you just don't see a lot of things. You you just don't see a lot of things. You don't see I don't I don't you don't see don't see I don't I don't you don't see don't see I don't I don't you don't see a lot of things in yourself. And um a lot of things in yourself. And um a lot of things in yourself. And um or it's hard to like I said and and so or it's hard to like I said and and so or it's hard to like I said and and so like I like I told you last night, I'm like I like I told you last night, I'm like I like I told you last night, I'm I'm I'm not uh I'm I'm not uh I'm I'm not uh I'm just not really that's why I'm not I'm just not really that's why I'm not I'm just not really that's why I'm not I'm I'm off everything now. The only I'm I'm off everything now. The only I'm I'm off everything now. The only thing I'm on is YouTube, but I don't thing I'm on is YouTube, but I don't thing I'm on is YouTube, but I don't even look at the back end of the metrics even look at the back end of the metrics even look at the back end of the metrics or the financials like I used to. Like or the financials like I used to. Like or the financials like I used to. Like I'm not on Instagram. I'm not on X. I'm I'm not on Instagram. I'm not on X. I'm I'm not on Instagram. I'm not on X. I'm not on T. I'm not on anything. I don't not on T. I'm not on anything. I don't not on T. I'm not on anything. I don't want to see any comments. I don't want want to see any comments. I don't want want to see any comments. I don't want to see any view counts. I don't want to to see any view counts. I don't want to to see any view counts. I don't want to hear Sean, you're doing God's work. I hear Sean, you're doing God's work. I hear Sean, you're doing God's work. I don't want to hear Sean, you suck. I don't want to hear Sean, you suck. I don't want to hear Sean, you suck. I don't want to hear Sean, you're a don't want to hear Sean, you're a don't want to hear Sean, you're a [ __ ] Qatari, whatever. I don't want [ __ ] Qatari, whatever. I don't want [ __ ] Qatari, whatever. I don't want to hear any of that. Like, I I don't to hear any of that. Like, I I don't to hear any of that. Like, I I don't want to hear the praise. I don't want to want to hear the praise. I don't want to want to hear the praise. I don't want to see I just want to hear God. And uh I see I just want to hear God. And uh I see I just want to hear God. And uh I want to be quiet so I can hear that. and want to be quiet so I can hear that. and want to be quiet so I can hear that. and and started leaning a lot more into my and started leaning a lot more into my and started leaning a lot more into my intuition, which I've always kind of intuition, which I've always kind of intuition, which I've always kind of prided myself on anyways. But it's it's prided myself on anyways. But it's it's prided myself on anyways. But it's it's impossible to do it with all the noise, impossible to do it with all the noise, impossible to do it with all the noise, especially with all the praise, you

especially with all the praise, you especially with all the praise, you know, and and so I I I need it to be know, and and so I I I need it to be know, and and so I I I need it to be quiet so I so I I know what to do and I quiet so I so I I know what to do and I quiet so I so I I know what to do and I know how to act. know how to act. know how to act. People People People will hear that and say, "But you run one will hear that and say, "But you run one will hear that and say, "But you run one of the biggest podcasts and your podcast of the biggest podcasts and your podcast of the biggest podcasts and your podcast is about the rest of the world. How do is about the rest of the world. How do is about the rest of the world. How do you know what's happening the rest of you know what's happening the rest of you know what's happening the rest of the world outside of your own home if the world outside of your own home if the world outside of your own home if you're not on social media? you're not on social media? you're not on social media? I don't care anymore. [laughter] I don't care anymore. [laughter] I don't care anymore. [laughter] Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't care anymore. My podcast will be I don't care anymore. My podcast will be I don't care anymore. My podcast will be whatever I want it to be, you know, and whatever I want it to be, you know, and whatever I want it to be, you know, and and uh it always has. Well, it it it I and uh it always has. Well, it it it I and uh it always has. Well, it it it I guess I can't say it always has been cuz guess I can't say it always has been cuz guess I can't say it always has been cuz I I leaned into the audience there for I I leaned into the audience there for I I leaned into the audience there for about probably a little over a year like about probably a little over a year like about probably a little over a year like um leading up to the last presidential um leading up to the last presidential um leading up to the last presidential election. You know, I was doing what I election. You know, I was doing what I election. You know, I was doing what I wanted to do, but then I saw, you know, wanted to do, but then I saw, you know, wanted to do, but then I saw, you know, that's when all the praise started that's when all the praise started that's when all the praise started coming and and uh I'm just I'm done with coming and and uh I'm just I'm done with coming and and uh I'm just I'm done with that. So, that. So, that. So, I'm just waiting for God's direction to I'm just waiting for God's direction to I'm just waiting for God's direction to tell me what to do. when I with the tell me what to do. when I with the tell me what to do. when I with the Bible thing. I think that's what I think Bible thing. I think that's what I think Bible thing. I think that's what I think that's I think that's what I'm supposed that's I think that's what I'm supposed that's I think that's what I'm supposed to to to >> your audience.

>> your audience. >> your audience. I mean that's a very familiar thing to I mean that's a very familiar thing to I mean that's a very familiar thing to anyone who does this for a living. Can anyone who does this for a living. Can anyone who does this for a living. Can you just describe that a little more for you just describe that a little more for you just describe that a little more for people who don't? people who don't? people who don't? >> Well, I mean it's it's what I've been >> Well, I mean it's it's what I've been >> Well, I mean it's it's what I've been saying. It's it's the praise. It's the saying. It's it's the praise. It's the saying. It's it's the praise. It's the comments comments comments >> responding to programming on the basis >> responding to programming on the basis >> responding to programming on the basis of it. of it. of it. >> It's what do what do they oh these >> It's what do what do they oh these >> It's what do what do they oh these numbers shot up. We need to do more of numbers shot up. We need to do more of numbers shot up. We need to do more of this. Oh, that's going to be big this. Oh, that's going to be big this. Oh, that's going to be big numbers. Let's do that, you know, and numbers. Let's do that, you know, and numbers. Let's do that, you know, and and I mean, I'm not saying like I and I mean, I'm not saying like I and I mean, I'm not saying like I totally sold out to it or anything, but totally sold out to it or anything, but totally sold out to it or anything, but it was a big driver. It was a huge it was a big driver. It was a huge it was a big driver. It was a huge driver. driver. driver. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You know, and >> You know, and >> You know, and >> and I wanted to I wanted to I wanted to >> and I wanted to I wanted to I wanted to >> and I wanted to I wanted to I wanted to take the numbers one slot. I wanted the take the numbers one slot. I wanted the take the numbers one slot. I wanted the the $200 million deal that Rogan got. the $200 million deal that Rogan got. the $200 million deal that Rogan got. I'm not going to get it. That's just not I'm not going to get it. That's just not I'm not going to get it. That's just not how my life works. I always have to how my life works. I always have to how my life works. I always have to Nothing is ever handed to me. And um I Nothing is ever handed to me. And um I Nothing is ever handed to me. And um I always have to find other avenues to get always have to find other avenues to get always have to find other avenues to get what I want. Would you want $200 what I want. Would you want $200 what I want. Would you want $200 million? million? million? >> Yeah. I mean, of course, that's what I >> Yeah. I mean, of course, that's what I >> Yeah. I mean, of course, that's what I wanted. Now I don't give a [ __ ] cuz I wanted. Now I don't give a [ __ ] cuz I wanted. Now I don't give a [ __ ] cuz I now I see it. It just never [ __ ] now I see it. It just never [ __ ] now I see it. It just never [ __ ] ends. It never ends ends. It never ends ends. It never ends at this. So now I don't because now I I at this. So now I don't because now I I at this. So now I don't because now I I was you know another thing I was I was was you know another thing I was I was was you know another thing I was I was putting business and and money putting business and and money putting business and and money over I I hate to say it like this and I over I I hate to say it like this and I over I I hate to say it like this and I that's not that wasn't my intention when that's not that wasn't my intention when that's not that wasn't my intention when I was doing it but now that I can I was doing it but now that I can I was doing it but now that I can self-reflect I realized that I was self-reflect I realized that I was self-reflect I realized that I was putting money and attention and and putting money and attention and and putting money and attention and and maybe power and I [ __ ] thought I was maybe power and I [ __ ] thought I was maybe power and I [ __ ] thought I was somebody cuz of who I'm associated with.

somebody cuz of who I'm associated with. somebody cuz of who I'm associated with. I can [ __ ] access anybody in the I can [ __ ] access anybody in the I can [ __ ] access anybody in the world. What the [ __ ] do you know? What world. What the [ __ ] do you know? What world. What the [ __ ] do you know? What the? They probably know more than I do. the? They probably know more than I do. the? They probably know more than I do. I don't know [ __ ] [laughter] I don't know [ __ ] [laughter] I don't know [ __ ] [laughter] And and and and and I'm watching my kids And and and and and I'm watching my kids And and and and and I'm watching my kids get older and I'm like, "Fuck, man. How get older and I'm like, "Fuck, man. How get older and I'm like, "Fuck, man. How much time did I miss?" Like, cuz my own much time did I miss?" Like, cuz my own much time did I miss?" Like, cuz my own [ __ ] my own ego. Like, I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] my own ego. Like, I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] my own ego. Like, I'm [ __ ] somebody. Look who I'm having lunch somebody. Look who I'm having lunch somebody. Look who I'm having lunch with. Look who I'm going to see. Look with. Look who I'm going to see. Look with. Look who I'm going to see. Look who I'm talking to. I know everything. who I'm talking to. I know everything. who I'm talking to. I know everything. And then you get all the information. And then you get all the information. And then you get all the information. And what do you do with it? Nothing. You And what do you do with it? Nothing. You And what do you do with it? Nothing. You just [ __ ] look cool. You sound just [ __ ] look cool. You sound just [ __ ] look cool. You sound important. And your kids are growing up. And your kids are growing up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Makes me sad. I don't want to I don't >> Makes me sad. I don't want to I don't >> Makes me sad. I don't want to I don't want to do that again. want to do that again. want to do that again. >> If it makes you feel better, having been >> If it makes you feel better, having been >> If it makes you feel better, having been in this business my whole life, I've I in this business my whole life, I've I in this business my whole life, I've I think every single person goes through think every single person goes through think every single person goes through what you've described and the life cycle what you've described and the life cycle what you've described and the life cycle of yours is the shortest I've ever of yours is the shortest I've ever of yours is the shortest I've ever heard. If you like figure that out in a heard. If you like figure that out in a heard. If you like figure that out in a year, year, year, you know, while your children are still you know, while your children are still you know, while your children are still small, small, small, you haven't gotten to the cats in the you haven't gotten to the cats in the you haven't gotten to the cats in the cradle stage where they're like, "Yeah, cradle stage where they're like, "Yeah, cradle stage where they're like, "Yeah, you blew it, Dad. We hate you."

you blew it, Dad. We hate you." you blew it, Dad. We hate you." >> I hope I never get to that stage. >> I hope I never get to that stage. >> I hope I never get to that stage. >> Well, you won't cuz you figured it out >> Well, you won't cuz you figured it out >> Well, you won't cuz you figured it out young. You went through it really fast. young. You went through it really fast. young. You went through it really fast. But there are people I can think of one But there are people I can think of one But there are people I can think of one in particular, really good guy, great in particular, really good guy, great in particular, really good guy, great guy, very well-informed, guy, very well-informed, guy, very well-informed, very famous person in our b business. very famous person in our b business. very famous person in our b business. Missed his entire life. Missed his entire life. Missed his entire life. Great guy. Great guy. Great guy. >> Fun guy to have lunch with, you know, >> Fun guy to have lunch with, you know, >> Fun guy to have lunch with, you know, knows everybody, knows everything, funny knows everybody, knows everything, funny knows everybody, knows everything, funny storyteller, you know, you'd like him, storyteller, you know, you'd like him, storyteller, you know, you'd like him, but a tragic tragic person and was left but a tragic tragic person and was left but a tragic tragic person and was left at the end with literally nothing. at the end with literally nothing. at the end with literally nothing. >> It's gone, man. >> It's gone, man. >> It's gone, man. >> Gone. It's gone. It's gone. He gained >> Gone. It's gone. It's gone. He gained >> Gone. It's gone. It's gone. He gained the world but lost his soul. You know, I the world but lost his soul. You know, I the world but lost his soul. You know, I know a lot of people like that. know a lot of people like that. know a lot of people like that. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, no, I couldn't agree with you So, um, no, I couldn't agree with you So, um, no, I couldn't agree with you more. more. more. So you said that you have a program I So you said that you have a program I So you said that you have a program I and if you don't mind I would love to and if you don't mind I would love to and if you don't mind I would love to know what your program is for keeping know what your program is for keeping know what your program is for keeping hubris at bay for keeping yourself from hubris at bay for keeping yourself from hubris at bay for keeping yourself from imagining you're god when you're not imagining you're god when you're not imagining you're god when you're not like you're obviously disciplined you're like you're obviously disciplined you're like you're obviously disciplined you're a seal so you're a self-disciplined a seal so you're a self-disciplined a seal so you're a self-disciplined person like what steps do you go through person like what steps do you go through person like what steps do you go through other than getting off social media to other than getting off social media to other than getting off social media to keep yourself from getting delusions of keep yourself from getting delusions of keep yourself from getting delusions of omnipotence omnipotence omnipotence >> well this is all new to me you know so I >> well this is all new to me you know so I >> well this is all new to me you know so I don't I don't know but uh don't I don't know but uh don't I don't know but uh I I I don't know what to tell you. You I I I don't know what to tell you. You I I I don't know what to tell you. You know, the the the psychedelics cracked know, the the the psychedelics cracked know, the the the psychedelics cracked me open wide open again. And um and uh me open wide open again. And um and uh me open wide open again. And um and uh like I guess I'll probably never do them like I guess I'll probably never do them like I guess I'll probably never do them again. Um again. Um again. Um >> cuz they cuz they you got what you

>> cuz they cuz they you got what you >> cuz they cuz they you got what you wanted from them. I I can't say I got what I wanted. But I I can't say I got what I wanted. But um but I but I I didn't get anything from them. I got I didn't get anything from them. I got I didn't get anything from them. I got it all from God. And I I kept saying it all from God. And I I kept saying it all from God. And I I kept saying that like like psychedelics would be that like like psychedelics would be that like like psychedelics would be like a [ __ ] quick fix for me. I just like a [ __ ] quick fix for me. I just like a [ __ ] quick fix for me. I just want to clean it out. I want to I want want to clean it out. I want to I want want to clean it out. I want to I want to I want to reset. And I would take all the science that And I would take all the science that they're finding, you know, the good they're finding, you know, the good they're finding, you know, the good things about it and justify it and and things about it and justify it and and things about it and justify it and and uh and uh but you know, and in the end, uh and uh but you know, and in the end, uh and uh but you know, and in the end, I you're you're uh you're opening you I you're you're uh you're opening you I you're you're uh you're opening you you're just in a forbidden realm that you're just in a forbidden realm that you're just in a forbidden realm that maybe we should or should not be [ __ ] maybe we should or should not be [ __ ] maybe we should or should not be [ __ ] around in. But um around in. But um around in. But um I won't be [ __ ] around in that realm I won't be [ __ ] around in that realm I won't be [ __ ] around in that realm anymore. I can tell you that. But uh and anymore. I can tell you that. But uh and anymore. I can tell you that. But uh and I got strict guidance which you know I I got strict guidance which you know I I got strict guidance which you know I told you last night that is don't mess told you last night that is don't mess told you last night that is don't mess around in that anymore. But it's done a around in that anymore. But it's done a around in that anymore. But it's done a lot of great things for people this lot of great things for people this lot of great things for people this >> from God and and it's done a lot of >> from God and and it's done a lot of >> from God and and it's done a lot of great things for me this this as painful great things for me this this as painful great things for me this this as painful as this is to go through. It's it it you as this is to go through. It's it it you as this is to go through. It's it it you know it's uh know it's uh know it's uh I'm thankful for it. Um, but that uh but yeah, I don't know what but that uh but yeah, I don't know what the steps are, Tucker. I'm just I'm just the steps are, Tucker. I'm just I'm just the steps are, Tucker. I'm just I'm just figuring it out.

figuring it out. figuring it out. >> Maybe saying it out loud is the first >> Maybe saying it out loud is the first >> Maybe saying it out loud is the first one. one. one. >> I think the steps are listen to your wife, pay attention to listen to your wife, pay attention to your kids, and your kids, and your kids, and um um um some of the people that are really some of the people that are really some of the people that are really really close around you. But even that, really close around you. But even that, really close around you. But even that, you know, even even you know, even even you know, even even with my team, like I like I told my with my team, like I like I told my with my team, like I like I told my team's like my family. Like Tim, who's team's like my family. Like Tim, who's team's like my family. Like Tim, who's sitting over here, he's been with me sitting over here, he's been with me sitting over here, he's been with me since the fifth episode. And and since the fifth episode. And and since the fifth episode. And and uh Kimble is he's been with me since uh Kimble is he's been with me since uh Kimble is he's been with me since he's 17. He's like 26 or 27 now. he's 17. He's like 26 or 27 now. he's 17. He's like 26 or 27 now. All my Darren's been with me or very All my Darren's been with me or very All my Darren's been with me or very Elijah has been with me since I think Elijah has been with me since I think Elijah has been with me since I think the fifth episode, too. He runs my whole the fifth episode, too. He runs my whole the fifth episode, too. He runs my whole company now. He started off company now. He started off company now. He started off making like 200 bucks an episode doing making like 200 bucks an episode doing making like 200 bucks an episode doing sound. Like he's like a sound engineer. sound. Like he's like a sound engineer. sound. Like he's like a sound engineer. Now he runs my whole company. I hired Now he runs my whole company. I hired Now he runs my whole company. I hired all these [ __ ] CEOs and all these big all these [ __ ] CEOs and all these big all these [ __ ] CEOs and all these big wigs to come in and run them and this wigs to come in and run them and this wigs to come in and run them and this kid.

kid. kid. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> He runs circles around him like and I tr >> He runs circles around him like and I tr >> He runs circles around him like and I tr I trust him with my life. I trust him with my life. I trust him with my life. But and so we're like a family. But and so we're like a family. But and so we're like a family. But even with them, I mean, with the the But even with them, I mean, with the the But even with them, I mean, with the the my show has just gotten so big, it's my show has just gotten so big, it's my show has just gotten so big, it's inflated all of our egos. And so, we're inflated all of our egos. And so, we're inflated all of our egos. And so, we're all we're a bunch of all we're a bunch of all we're a bunch of good people with inflated egos that good people with inflated egos that good people with inflated egos that don't realize that we all have inflated don't realize that we all have inflated don't realize that we all have inflated egos because [laughter] of what we egos because [laughter] of what we egos because [laughter] of what we built. built. built. >> And I would constantly I'm like, "Is my >> And I would constantly I'm like, "Is my >> And I would constantly I'm like, "Is my ego getting to me?" You're good. ego getting to me?" You're good. ego getting to me?" You're good. >> No, sir. You're perfect. >> No, sir. You're perfect. >> No, sir. You're perfect. >> It's not It's not [laughter] that >> It's not It's not [laughter] that >> It's not It's not [laughter] that though. It's not that. They They tell me though. It's not that. They They tell me though. It's not that. They They tell me when I'm [ __ ] up. It's not that. It's when I'm [ __ ] up. It's not that. It's when I'm [ __ ] up. It's not that. It's their ego is also being inflated their ego is also being inflated their ego is also being inflated [laughter] because they're they're just [laughter] because they're they're just [laughter] because they're they're just as much a part of this as I am, you as much a part of this as I am, you as much a part of this as I am, you know, and they've built something know, and they've built something know, and they've built something massive and that grows an ego and they massive and that grows an ego and they massive and that grows an ego and they see the comments and they get the see the comments and they get the see the comments and they get the praise. praise. praise. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And they they go through all of that >> And they they go through all of that >> And they they go through all of that with me, you know, and so they're we're with me, you know, and so they're we're with me, you know, and so they're we're all blind to it. all blind to it. all blind to it. >> So it takes somebody close that's not >> So it takes somebody close that's not >> So it takes somebody close that's not inside of it to to set your ass inside of it to to set your ass inside of it to to set your ass straight.

straight. straight. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Does that make sense? >> Does that make sense? >> Does that make sense? >> Of course it it absolutely does. >> Of course it it absolutely does. >> Of course it it absolutely does. >> It's not the yesmen. I don't have any >> It's not the yesmen. I don't have any >> It's not the yesmen. I don't have any yesmen. I don't either. I hate people yesmen. I don't either. I hate people yesmen. I don't either. I hate people like that. like that. like that. >> Fired all the yesmen. I've had a couple >> Fired all the yesmen. I've had a couple >> Fired all the yesmen. I've had a couple hyper annoying kids work for me over the hyper annoying kids work for me over the hyper annoying kids work for me over the years who I truly love. Two of them uh years who I truly love. Two of them uh years who I truly love. Two of them uh at different times and they were the no at different times and they were the no at different times and they were the no men and they would doubt everything and men and they would doubt everything and men and they would doubt everything and constantly criticize me in a hyper constantly criticize me in a hyper constantly criticize me in a hyper annoying way. But I trusted them cuz I annoying way. But I trusted them cuz I annoying way. But I trusted them cuz I thought they were being honest. They're thought they were being honest. They're thought they were being honest. They're both kind of autistic and they'd be both kind of autistic and they'd be both kind of autistic and they'd be like, "I think it's really stupid what like, "I think it's really stupid what like, "I think it's really stupid what we're doing." I [laughter] would always we're doing." I [laughter] would always we're doing." I [laughter] would always want to say, "Shut up. I employ you." want to say, "Shut up. I employ you." want to say, "Shut up. I employ you." But then I would force myself to listen But then I would force myself to listen But then I would force myself to listen and I learned more from them. Both and I learned more from them. Both and I learned more from them. Both turned out to be very successful in life turned out to be very successful in life turned out to be very successful in life actually. But um I loved having people actually. But um I loved having people actually. But um I loved having people like that. like that. like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> As much as I hated having people like >> As much as I hated having people like >> As much as I hated having people like that. that. that. >> I always listen to them. >> I always listen to them. >> I always listen to them. >> Yeah. Oh, me too. Yeah. Um, [laughter] so as you embark on whatever is going to so as you embark on whatever is going to happen next in your professional life, happen next in your professional life, happen next in your professional life, does part of you think, well, gee, you does part of you think, well, gee, you does part of you think, well, gee, you know, I'm so successful in conventional know, I'm so successful in conventional know, I'm so successful in conventional terms, maybe I shouldn't mess with the terms, maybe I shouldn't mess with the terms, maybe I shouldn't mess with the formula. Are you afraid?

formula. Are you afraid? formula. Are you afraid? >> No. Have you even thought of that? Have you even thought of that? >> Yeah. Like what happens if uh the >> Yeah. Like what happens if uh the >> Yeah. Like what happens if uh the numbers go to zero? numbers go to zero? numbers go to zero? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't care cuz it's not worth doing if I don't care cuz it's not worth doing if I don't care cuz it's not worth doing if um if it's not authentic. um if it's not authentic. um if it's not authentic. So if they go to zero then they go to So if they go to zero then they go to So if they go to zero then they go to zero and but if I am doing what God zero and but if I am doing what God zero and but if I am doing what God wants me to do then they're not going to wants me to do then they're not going to wants me to do then they're not going to go to zero are they? go to zero are they? go to zero are they? I personally think it'll be bigger. I personally think it'll be bigger. I personally think it'll be bigger. Actually, for what I know that's not why Actually, for what I know that's not why Actually, for what I know that's not why you're doing it, but if I had to guess, you're doing it, but if I had to guess, you're doing it, but if I had to guess, I would say that anyone, I would say that anyone, I would say that anyone, even former Navy Seals who've never been even former Navy Seals who've never been even former Navy Seals who've never been in broadcasting before, anyone who's as in broadcasting before, anyone who's as in broadcasting before, anyone who's as honest as he can be succeeds. I think honest as he can be succeeds. I think honest as he can be succeeds. I think that that that >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. But because there's so little of it that But because there's so little of it that But because there's so little of it that I I don't think the measure is, are you I I don't think the measure is, are you I I don't think the measure is, are you always right? No one is. I'm certainly always right? No one is. I'm certainly always right? No one is. I'm certainly not. But if you're making like an not. But if you're making like an not. But if you're making like an obviously sincere effort to tell the obviously sincere effort to tell the obviously sincere effort to tell the truth, people people really love they truth, people people really love they truth, people people really love they crave it because there's just not much crave it because there's just not much crave it because there's just not much of it at all.

of it at all. of it at all. Like that's the superpower. And you seem Like that's the superpower. And you seem Like that's the superpower. And you seem like you're embarking on like a radical like you're embarking on like a radical like you're embarking on like a radical version of that. version of that. version of that. So I bet you're going to have radical So I bet you're going to have radical So I bet you're going to have radical results. I mean again, not that you care results. I mean again, not that you care results. I mean again, not that you care and because you don't care, that's why and because you don't care, that's why and because you don't care, that's why it's going to work. it's going to work. it's going to work. >> If it happens, it happens. And if it >> If it happens, it happens. And if it >> If it happens, it happens. And if it doesn't, that's fine, too. doesn't, that's fine, too. doesn't, that's fine, too. It are like the people closest to you It are like the people closest to you It are like the people closest to you totally on board with this. totally on board with this. totally on board with this. >> I think so. We'll find out on uh We'll >> I think so. We'll find out on uh We'll >> I think so. We'll find out on uh We'll find out later this week when we have find out later this week when we have find out later this week when we have the meeting, but they're going to be, the meeting, but they're going to be, the meeting, but they're going to be, you know what I mean? They're going to you know what I mean? They're going to you know what I mean? They're going to be. So, be. So, be. So, did you know that there were did you know that there were did you know that there were supernatural forces, demons that could supernatural forces, demons that could supernatural forces, demons that could act on people? act on people? act on people? Did you grow up knowing that? Did you Did you grow up knowing that? Did you Did you grow up knowing that? Did you think about that in think about that in think about that in >> I definitely didn't grow up knowing >> I definitely didn't grow up knowing >> I definitely didn't grow up knowing that. Um, that. Um, that. Um, you know, the first time I felt it, I you know, the first time I felt it, I you know, the first time I felt it, I thought I thought maybe we chatted about thought I thought maybe we chatted about thought I thought maybe we chatted about this last time, but maybe we didn't. But this last time, but maybe we didn't. But this last time, but maybe we didn't. But the first time I I really felt it uh was the first time I I really felt it uh was the first time I I really felt it uh was maybe maybe 3 years ago. Um, I just done maybe maybe 3 years ago. Um, I just done maybe maybe 3 years ago. Um, I just done the my my Ryan Montgomery uh who's you the my my Ryan Montgomery uh who's you the my my Ryan Montgomery uh who's you met.

met. met. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And uh love that guy. He's one of my >> And uh love that guy. He's one of my >> And uh love that guy. He's one of my best friends. He's going to be my son's best friends. He's going to be my son's best friends. He's going to be my son's godfather. godfather. godfather. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And um here next month. But I just >> And um here next month. But I just >> And um here next month. But I just [clears throat] did his episode which [clears throat] did his episode which [clears throat] did his episode which really like really hurt me. Um and Tyler really like really hurt me. Um and Tyler really like really hurt me. Um and Tyler Andrew Vargas who was one of the who was Andrew Vargas who was one of the who was Andrew Vargas who was one of the who was the survivor at Abigate. He was like 24 the survivor at Abigate. He was like 24 the survivor at Abigate. He was like 24 years old. had his arm blown off, had years old. had his arm blown off, had years old. had his arm blown off, had his leg blown off, his leg blown off, his leg blown off, has a bag, you know, has a bag, you know, has a bag, you know, and I'm like watching this kid like and I'm like watching this kid like and I'm like watching this kid like hobble up my stairs [sighs] hobble up my stairs [sighs] hobble up my stairs [sighs] with the Afghan withdrawal and um and with the Afghan withdrawal and um and with the Afghan withdrawal and um and the lies that came out about that and the lies that came out about that and the lies that came out about that and nobody would talk to him. Here's a God nobody would talk to him. Here's a God nobody would talk to him. Here's a God thing. So, I thought my whole team was thing. So, I thought my whole team was thing. So, I thought my whole team was like, "You need to get this kid." I'm like, "You need to get this kid." I'm like, "You need to get this kid." I'm like, he like, he like, he he's got like every major news outlet he's got like every major news outlet he's got like every major news outlet probably wants to talk to him. Tucker probably wants to talk to him. Tucker probably wants to talk to him. Tucker Carlson probably wants to talk to him. Carlson probably wants to talk to him. Carlson probably wants to talk to him. Joe Rogue, I'm like, he doesn't want to Joe Rogue, I'm like, he doesn't want to Joe Rogue, I'm like, he doesn't want to [ __ ] talk to me. There's no way. And [ __ ] talk to me. There's no way. And [ __ ] talk to me. There's no way. And um I pinged him on Instagram um I pinged him on Instagram um I pinged him on Instagram and he hit me right back. And you know and he hit me right back. And you know and he hit me right back. And you know um a lot of the guests come come out, we um a lot of the guests come come out, we um a lot of the guests come come out, we have breakfast, you know, the uh the day have breakfast, you know, the uh the day have breakfast, you know, the uh the day of or we have dinner the night before.

of or we have dinner the night before. of or we have dinner the night before. and we're having I'm having breakfast and we're having I'm having breakfast and we're having I'm having breakfast with him and his fiance and and with him and his fiance and and with him and his fiance and and he's like, [clears throat] "Man, um he he's like, [clears throat] "Man, um he he's like, [clears throat] "Man, um he started crying and he's like, "Man, uh" started crying and he's like, "Man, uh" started crying and he's like, "Man, uh" he goes, "All these news networks were he goes, "All these news networks were he goes, "All these news networks were trying to get me." And he goes, "Good trying to get me." And he goes, "Good trying to get me." And he goes, "Good Morning America interviewed me for like Morning America interviewed me for like Morning America interviewed me for like 7 hours 7 hours 7 hours and they released like I can't remember. and they released like I can't remember. and they released like I can't remember. It was like 5 minutes or 5 seconds. I It was like 5 minutes or 5 seconds. I It was like 5 minutes or 5 seconds. I think it was like five seconds of the think it was like five seconds of the think it was like five seconds of the interview and he's like, "I was there interview and he's like, "I was there interview and he's like, "I was there for seven hours." And he's like, "I for seven hours." And he's like, "I for seven hours." And he's like, "I looked at my fiance and he goes, I just looked at my fiance and he goes, I just looked at my fiance and he goes, I just wish the Shawn Ryan guy would just reach wish the Shawn Ryan guy would just reach wish the Shawn Ryan guy would just reach out to me." And he pulled up his phone out to me." And he pulled up his phone out to me." And he pulled up his phone and sure as [ __ ] there was a message and sure as [ __ ] there was a message and sure as [ __ ] there was a message from me and he broke down right there at from me and he broke down right there at from me and he broke down right there at the table. That is wild. the table. That is wild. the table. That is wild. And uh so me and my wife went to Sedona. And uh so me and my wife went to Sedona. And uh so me and my wife went to Sedona. We went on this vacation to Sedona. And We went on this vacation to Sedona. And We went on this vacation to Sedona. And uh so I you know I was like I just found uh so I you know I was like I just found uh so I you know I was like I just found out how bad it is with what's going on out how bad it is with what's going on out how bad it is with what's going on with kids online and the sex with kids online and the sex with kids online and the sex exploitation and pedophiles and all that exploitation and pedophiles and all that exploitation and pedophiles and all that kind of stuff. And and then and like the kind of stuff. And and then and like the kind of stuff. And and then and like the day after I did that interview was Tyler day after I did that interview was Tyler day after I did that interview was Tyler Andrew Vargas. And then Andrew Vargas. And then Andrew Vargas. And then and then um and oh and then uh uh the and then um and oh and then uh uh the and then um and oh and then uh uh the one friend that I had and and where I one friend that I had and and where I one friend that I had and and where I live at the time who didn't who like a live at the time who didn't who like a live at the time who didn't who like a genuine friend successful guy owns some genuine friend successful guy owns some genuine friend successful guy owns some hospitals. He didn't need anything from hospitals. He didn't need anything from hospitals. He didn't need anything from me. I don't need anything from him. I

me. I don't need anything from him. I me. I don't need anything from him. I really enjoy those relationships. I know really enjoy those relationships. I know really enjoy those relationships. I know there's not a [ __ ] hidden ask getting there's not a [ __ ] hidden ask getting there's not a [ __ ] hidden ask getting ready to happen or some kind of agenda ready to happen or some kind of agenda ready to happen or some kind of agenda or a photo op or whatever it may be. and or a photo op or whatever it may be. and or a photo op or whatever it may be. and um like just genuine. We can go out to um like just genuine. We can go out to um like just genuine. We can go out to eat and it's not going to be hey do you eat and it's not going to be hey do you eat and it's not going to be hey do you mind if we just you know mind if we just you know mind if we just you know could you could you could you I got this new you know that kind of I got this new you know that kind of I got this new you know that kind of [ __ ] and um it's just genuine [ __ ] and um it's just genuine [ __ ] and um it's just genuine friendship. Anyways he died friendship. Anyways he died friendship. Anyways he died >> and uh yeah he died he died on a hunting >> and uh yeah he died he died on a hunting >> and uh yeah he died he died on a hunting trip. His name is Dan Cerillo. He died trip. His name is Dan Cerillo. He died trip. His name is Dan Cerillo. He died on a hunting trip with his son. Had a on a hunting trip with his son. Had a on a hunting trip with his son. Had a heart attack. heart attack. heart attack. >> Oh come on. At what age? >> Oh come on. At what age? >> Oh come on. At what age? >> Uh I don't know. He was probably mid to >> Uh I don't know. He was probably mid to >> Uh I don't know. He was probably mid to late 50s if I had to guess. But I mean, late 50s if I had to guess. But I mean, late 50s if I had to guess. But I mean, I'm happy for him. Look, if that's how I I'm happy for him. Look, if that's how I I'm happy for him. Look, if that's how I go on a hunting trip with my son who's go on a hunting trip with my son who's go on a hunting trip with my son who's raised and doing great, raised and doing great, raised and doing great, >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> Then I'll as someone who's 57 though, >> Then I'll as someone who's 57 though, >> Then I'll as someone who's 57 though, I'm I'm opposed to the timeline. I'm I'm opposed to the timeline. I'm I'm opposed to the timeline. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> But um so all these things happen and >> But um so all these things happen and >> But um so all these things happen and then and and we go to um we're in Sedona then and and we go to um we're in Sedona then and and we go to um we're in Sedona [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] and I'm just I have a breakdown on the and I'm just I have a breakdown on the and I'm just I have a breakdown on the plane. I don't really break down. uh plane. I don't really break down. uh plane. I don't really break down. uh other than lately. And [clears throat] other than lately. And [clears throat] other than lately. And [clears throat] my wife's like, "What the hell is going my wife's like, "What the hell is going my wife's like, "What the hell is going on with you?" And I started telling her on with you?" And I started telling her on with you?" And I started telling her and and then um and and then um and and then um the last day the last day the last day um I was like, "All right, I'm just um I was like, "All right, I'm just um I was like, "All right, I'm just going to come off my phone for the week going to come off my phone for the week going to come off my phone for the week and maybe I'll feel better." And I I and maybe I'll feel better." And I I and maybe I'll feel better." And I I felt a little bit better. And then I got felt a little bit better. And then I got felt a little bit better. And then I got on my phone and I saw this

on my phone and I saw this on my phone and I saw this country music star that I had a lot of country music star that I had a lot of country music star that I had a lot of respect for at the time and uh she's respect for at the time and uh she's respect for at the time and uh she's going on about how drag queens should be going on about how drag queens should be going on about how drag queens should be able to like shake their ass in front of able to like shake their ass in front of able to like shake their ass in front of toddlers and I was like man man a couple weeks later she gets a big show a couple weeks later she gets a big show a couple weeks later she gets a big show and uh anyways but I I see this stuff and uh anyways but I I see this stuff and uh anyways but I I see this stuff and I'm like [ __ ] man. And so I told I and I'm like [ __ ] man. And so I told I and I'm like [ __ ] man. And so I told I smoke a joint and tell Katie we're we're smoke a joint and tell Katie we're we're smoke a joint and tell Katie we're we're going on a hike. We're going to go up to going on a hike. We're going to go up to going on a hike. We're going to go up to this energy vortex. I want to see if I this energy vortex. I want to see if I this energy vortex. I want to see if I feel something. And uh joint didn't feel something. And uh joint didn't feel something. And uh joint didn't help. And we get up there help. And we get up there help. And we get up there and dude, I went like bananas. Like this and dude, I went like bananas. Like this and dude, I went like bananas. Like this this is one thing about the psychedelic this is one thing about the psychedelic this is one thing about the psychedelic stuff that I I didn't really like where stuff that I I didn't really like where stuff that I I didn't really like where it took me. It it was I was looking for it took me. It it was I was looking for it took me. It it was I was looking for all these other [ __ ] thing. I was all these other [ __ ] thing. I was all these other [ __ ] thing. I was into like looking at crystals and all into like looking at crystals and all into like looking at crystals and all this [ __ ] And um this [ __ ] And um this [ __ ] And um all energy comes out of the crystals and all energy comes out of the crystals and all energy comes out of the crystals and whatever. And uh we go up to this whatever. And uh we go up to this whatever. And uh we go up to this [ __ ] vortex and then I'm like [ __ ] vortex and then I'm like [ __ ] vortex and then I'm like I don't feel [ __ ] [laughter] And uh so we're marching back down, And uh so we're marching back down, hiking back down, and I'm having like hiking back down, and I'm having like hiking back down, and I'm having like this internal battle in my like in my this internal battle in my like in my this internal battle in my like in my head.

head. head. And uh like I'm I'm like maybe I maybe I And uh like I'm I'm like maybe I maybe I And uh like I'm I'm like maybe I maybe I shouldn't be worried about dismembering shouldn't be worried about dismembering shouldn't be worried about dismembering kids and and and and kids and and and and kids and and and and politicians and schools and athletes and politicians and schools and athletes and politicians and schools and athletes and celebrities like pushing, you know, you celebrities like pushing, you know, you celebrities like pushing, you know, you you you should be the opposite sex and you you should be the opposite sex and you you should be the opposite sex and let's put some hormones in you and let's let's put some hormones in you and let's let's put some hormones in you and let's let's get you in the hospital. And and let's get you in the hospital. And and let's get you in the hospital. And and I'm like may maybe I'm the [ __ ] up I'm like may maybe I'm the [ __ ] up I'm like may maybe I'm the [ __ ] up one. Maybe I one. Maybe I one. Maybe I Nobody else seems to give a [ __ ] Maybe Nobody else seems to give a [ __ ] Maybe Nobody else seems to give a [ __ ] Maybe I'm the Maybe I'm the one that's Maybe I'm the Maybe I'm the one that's Maybe I'm the Maybe I'm the one that's Maybe I'm Maybe it's me. Maybe Why are you I'm Maybe it's me. Maybe Why are you I'm Maybe it's me. Maybe Why are you fighting this [ __ ] fighting this [ __ ] fighting this [ __ ] And I just kept it felt like I was uh And I just kept it felt like I was uh And I just kept it felt like I was uh like like surrendering my surrendering like like surrendering my surrendering like like surrendering my surrendering my soul or my heart to the devil maybe. my soul or my heart to the devil maybe. my soul or my heart to the devil maybe. But there was like this internal battle But there was like this internal battle But there was like this internal battle going on and I I I was literally trying going on and I I I was literally trying going on and I I I was literally trying to convince myself that I was the like to convince myself that I was the like to convince myself that I was the like I'm feeling all this pain because you I'm feeling all this pain because you I'm feeling all this pain because you know in the m this is when the maps know in the m this is when the maps know in the m this is when the maps thing started coming out you know the thing started coming out you know the thing started coming out you know the minor attracted person. Can't call him minor attracted person. Can't call him minor attracted person. Can't call him pedophile. Got to call him a minor pedophile. Got to call him a minor pedophile. Got to call him a minor attracted person cuz that's that's attracted person cuz that's that's attracted person cuz that's that's offensive Tucker. And so I'm like trying offensive Tucker. And so I'm like trying offensive Tucker. And so I'm like trying to convince myself like Desan, maybe to convince myself like Desan, maybe to convince myself like Desan, maybe you're just this is old school thinking you're just this is old school thinking you're just this is old school thinking maybe you shouldn't be so upset about maybe you shouldn't be so upset about maybe you shouldn't be so upset about all this thing.

all this thing. all this thing. >> You're the crazy one. >> You're the crazy one. >> You're the crazy one. >> Yeah. And uh it's dark and we get we're >> Yeah. And uh it's dark and we get we're >> Yeah. And uh it's dark and we get we're staying at a really nice resort down staying at a really nice resort down staying at a really nice resort down there and and uh there's a there's a there and and uh there's a there's a there and and uh there's a there's a guarded gate and I pay attention to that guarded gate and I pay attention to that guarded gate and I pay attention to that [ __ ] cuz my you know my background seal [ __ ] cuz my you know my background seal [ __ ] cuz my you know my background seal and [sighs] and [sighs] and [sighs] contracting for CIA and so I pay contracting for CIA and so I pay contracting for CIA and so I pay attention to that kind of [ __ ] and I uh attention to that kind of [ __ ] and I uh attention to that kind of [ __ ] and I uh and you know those guys that demographic and you know those guys that demographic and you know those guys that demographic of people love my show you know because of people love my show you know because of people love my show you know because of all the military guys I've had on it. of all the military guys I've had on it. of all the military guys I've had on it. So they all know me and and they and I So they all know me and and they and I So they all know me and and they and I stop and talk to them all. We've been stop and talk to them all. We've been stop and talk to them all. We've been there for a week and I get and um and there for a week and I get and um and there for a week and I get and um and this old man comes out of the guard this old man comes out of the guard this old man comes out of the guard shack [clears throat] shack [clears throat] shack [clears throat] and uh he's like trying to talk to me and uh he's like trying to talk to me and uh he's like trying to talk to me and I'm looking at him over my shoulder and I'm looking at him over my shoulder and I'm looking at him over my shoulder like giving the body language like not like giving the body language like not like giving the body language like not now buddy. I don't want to I don't give now buddy. I don't want to I don't give now buddy. I don't want to I don't give a [ __ ] what you have to say. I don't a [ __ ] what you have to say. I don't a [ __ ] what you have to say. I don't like I just want to go to my [ __ ] like I just want to go to my [ __ ] like I just want to go to my [ __ ] room. And um room. And um room. And um and then Katie, my wife, stops and talks and then Katie, my wife, stops and talks and then Katie, my wife, stops and talks to him and to him and to him and I'm like, "Oh shit." So I turn around I'm like, "Oh shit." So I turn around I'm like, "Oh shit." So I turn around and I square up to him and I square up to him and I square up to him and he looked at me and he read my mind and he looked at me and he read my mind and he looked at me and he read my mind from front to back. He said, "You know, from front to back. He said, "You know, from front to back. He said, "You know, all this [ __ ] that's going on with the all this [ __ ] that's going on with the all this [ __ ] that's going on with the kids, kids, kids, so that's that's not your fight."

so that's that's not your fight." so that's that's not your fight." And then he kept talking and and I was I And then he kept talking and and I was I And then he kept talking and and I was I was like really worried about China and was like really worried about China and was like really worried about China and that was when the spy spy balloon that was when the spy spy balloon that was when the spy spy balloon traversed over the US and he brought up traversed over the US and he brought up traversed over the US and he brought up something about China and I like lost something about China and I like lost something about China and I like lost it. I was like it. I was like it. I was like how the [ __ ] are you in my head? how the [ __ ] are you in my head? how the [ __ ] are you in my head? Like how do how are you in my head? Like how do how are you in my head? Like how do how are you in my head? And so I totally blanked out on the rest of so I totally blanked out on the rest of what he said, but I knew it was in I'm what he said, but I knew it was in I'm what he said, but I knew it was in I'm like said like two or three more things like said like two or three more things like said like two or three more things and then have a good night and walked and then have a good night and walked and then have a good night and walked back into his guard shack. And I'd never back into his guard shack. And I'd never back into his guard shack. And I'd never seen this dude. I thought I'd met all seen this dude. I thought I'd met all seen this dude. I thought I'd met all the people that worked there cuz we're the people that worked there cuz we're the people that worked there cuz we're in and out. [clears throat] in and out. [clears throat] in and out. [clears throat] And we're going back to our we were And we're going back to our we were And we're going back to our we were staying like this bungalow thing like a staying like this bungalow thing like a staying like this bungalow thing like a duplex. duplex. duplex. And uh and uh there was this guy, my And uh and uh there was this guy, my And uh and uh there was this guy, my best friend uh died of heroin, but he best friend uh died of heroin, but he best friend uh died of heroin, but he was always known as a protector. His was always known as a protector. His was always known as a protector. His name was Gabe. He was like he was just a name was Gabe. He was like he was just a name was Gabe. He was like he was just a badass. He was a pro hockey player badass. He was a pro hockey player badass. He was a pro hockey player before he joined the SEAL teams. He was before he joined the SEAL teams. He was before he joined the SEAL teams. He was a enforcer and then he joined the SEAL a enforcer and then he joined the SEAL a enforcer and then he joined the SEAL teams. and like he's the guy like if if teams. and like he's the guy like if if teams. and like he's the guy like if if you're in trouble, you know, Gab's going you're in trouble, you know, Gab's going you're in trouble, you know, Gab's going to come whip some ass and get you out of to come whip some ass and get you out of to come whip some ass and get you out of it. And then we contract and then and it. And then we contract and then and it. And then we contract and then and then uh I met him contracting for uh the then uh I met him contracting for uh the then uh I met him contracting for uh the agency and and we became really good agency and and we became really good agency and and we became really good friends and he had the same reputation friends and he had the same reputation friends and he had the same reputation there.

there. there. And when we first got there, we had seen And when we first got there, we had seen And when we first got there, we had seen this guy and he looked identical like this guy and he looked identical like this guy and he looked identical like same. He could have been a tw a twin same. He could have been a tw a twin same. He could have been a tw a twin like like you could tell him apart, but like like you could tell him apart, but like like you could tell him apart, but they he could have been an identical they he could have been an identical they he could have been an identical twin to Gabe. twin to Gabe. twin to Gabe. And I'm in this super vulnerable state. And I'm in this super vulnerable state. And I'm in this super vulnerable state. And this guy's like everywhere we're at And this guy's like everywhere we're at And this guy's like everywhere we're at this week. And I pointed him out and this week. And I pointed him out and this week. And I pointed him out and Katie was like, "Yeah, that's looks Katie was like, "Yeah, that's looks Katie was like, "Yeah, that's looks identical to him. If we're out in town identical to him. If we're out in town identical to him. If we're out in town at a restaurant, this dude's out there. at a restaurant, this dude's out there. at a restaurant, this dude's out there. or if we're on a hike, he's like right or if we're on a hike, he's like right or if we're on a hike, he's like right behind us or coming back. If we go to behind us or coming back. If we go to behind us or coming back. If we go to the pool, he's at the pool. And it was the pool, he's at the pool. And it was the pool, he's at the pool. And it was just weird. It's like this guy's like just weird. It's like this guy's like just weird. It's like this guy's like always around. always around. always around. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, uh co coincidence though, like I'm on uh co coincidence though, like I'm on uh co coincidence though, like I'm on top of [ __ ] like that, you know, and I top of [ __ ] like that, you know, and I top of [ __ ] like that, you know, and I didn't get I know where you're going. It didn't get I know where you're going. It didn't get I know where you're going. It wasn't like surveillance or anything wasn't like surveillance or anything wasn't like surveillance or anything like that. like that. like that. And so we're walking back to the And so we're walking back to the And so we're walking back to the bungalow. bungalow. bungalow. that we've been at all week. And I'm that we've been at all week. And I'm that we've been at all week. And I'm like, I think uh like, I think uh like, I think uh I think that guy in the guard shack was I think that guy in the guard shack was I think that guy in the guard shack was God just talking to me. And Katie goes, God just talking to me. And Katie goes, God just talking to me. And Katie goes, "Yeah, you think, Sean?"

"Yeah, you think, Sean?" "Yeah, you think, Sean?" And I was like I was like, "That's And I was like I was like, "That's And I was like I was like, "That's that's [ __ ] crazy." And she's like, that's [ __ ] crazy." And she's like, that's [ __ ] crazy." And she's like, "That's not [ __ ] crazy." "That's not [ __ ] crazy." "That's not [ __ ] crazy." She said, "Sean, God's always talking to She said, "Sean, God's always talking to She said, "Sean, God's always talking to you. You just don't make the room to let you. You just don't make the room to let you. You just don't make the room to let him in." And then we go to our bungalow him in." And then we go to our bungalow him in." And then we go to our bungalow and this dude is staying in the other and this dude is staying in the other and this dude is staying in the other side of it. So I took that as this guy's side of it. So I took that as this guy's side of it. So I took that as this guy's like maybe some other like maybe some other like maybe some other something else kind of watching over us something else kind of watching over us something else kind of watching over us while I'm in this vulnerable state. while I'm in this vulnerable state. while I'm in this vulnerable state. And then I get into the And then I get into the And then I get into the bungalow bungalow bungalow and I start crying and I'm like, "What and I start crying and I'm like, "What and I start crying and I'm like, "What the hell is going on?" And get this the hell is going on?" And get this the hell is going on?" And get this [ __ ] Let me pull this text up. I'll [ __ ] Let me pull this text up. I'll [ __ ] Let me pull this text up. I'll read it to you. We're talking and uh my read it to you. We're talking and uh my read it to you. We're talking and uh my phone dings and it's Dan's daughter phone dings and it's Dan's daughter phone dings and it's Dan's daughter who I've never met. who I've never met. who I've never met. She doesn't have my number. Her dad just She doesn't have my number. Her dad just She doesn't have my number. Her dad just died. And I get this text died. And I get this text died. And I get this text >> on the hunting trip with his son.

>> on the hunting trip with his son. >> on the hunting trip with his son. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It says, It says, It says, "Hey Sean, "Hey Sean, "Hey Sean, this is Taylor, Dan's daughter. this is Taylor, Dan's daughter. this is Taylor, Dan's daughter. My dad requested that I reach out to My dad requested that I reach out to My dad requested that I reach out to you. I had a moment with him the other you. I had a moment with him the other you. I had a moment with him the other day when my mom and I walked into his day when my mom and I walked into his day when my mom and I walked into his gun room. gun room. gun room. It was the first time she had been in It was the first time she had been in It was the first time she had been in there since his passing, and I felt the there since his passing, and I felt the there since his passing, and I felt the whole room waken like a vis like whole room waken like a vis like whole room waken like a vis like invisible stars were just bouncing off invisible stars were just bouncing off invisible stars were just bouncing off the walls. There were a few people in the walls. There were a few people in the walls. There were a few people in the room, but [clears throat] he really the room, but [clears throat] he really the room, but [clears throat] he really grabbed me by the balls, as he would grabbed me by the balls, as he would grabbed me by the balls, as he would say, and made a couple of clear points. say, and made a couple of clear points. say, and made a couple of clear points. I want you to know he spoke very gently, I want you to know he spoke very gently, I want you to know he spoke very gently, very smooth like, and he was calm and very smooth like, and he was calm and very smooth like, and he was calm and tranquil. One favor he asked of me is tranquil. One favor he asked of me is tranquil. One favor he asked of me is that I contact you when I'm ready. He that I contact you when I'm ready. He that I contact you when I'm ready. He didn't give me any more direction than didn't give me any more direction than didn't give me any more direction than that. that. that. But I think he would just like you.

I think he would just like you to know I think he would just like you to know he sees you or feels you. My mom told me he sees you or feels you. My mom told me he sees you or feels you. My mom told me recently you had become his best friend recently you had become his best friend recently you had become his best friend and favorite person to be around. And if and favorite person to be around. And if and favorite person to be around. And if that's true, it's safe to say he really that's true, it's safe to say he really that's true, it's safe to say he really loved you. loved you. loved you. just exactly as you are. [clears throat] just exactly as you are. [clears throat] just exactly as you are. [clears throat] Unfortunately, my dad didn't really talk Unfortunately, my dad didn't really talk Unfortunately, my dad didn't really talk about our personal lives. We had more of about our personal lives. We had more of about our personal lives. We had more of a feeling type relationship. Not a lot a feeling type relationship. Not a lot a feeling type relationship. Not a lot of talking, but just the right amount of of talking, but just the right amount of of talking, but just the right amount of loving from afar. If there was if loving from afar. If there was if loving from afar. If there was if there's ever a chance you'd there's ever a chance you'd there's ever a chance you'd [clears throat] feel comfortably [clears throat] feel comfortably [clears throat] feel comfortably comfortable talking about yours and his comfortable talking about yours and his comfortable talking about yours and his story, I'd love to hear about it. And story, I'd love to hear about it. And story, I'd love to hear about it. And I'm sure he would, too. I'm sure he would, too. I'm sure he would, too. Wow. Yeah. Did you talk to her? Did you talk to her? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's an incredible story. Pretty wild, That's an incredible story. Pretty wild, That's an incredible story. Pretty wild, isn't it? isn't it? isn't it? >> Did you doubt it or did you >> Did you doubt it or did you >> Did you doubt it or did you >> not at that point you knew? I mean, that >> not at that point you knew? I mean, that >> not at that point you knew? I mean, that was that all happened in about 15 was that all happened in about 15 was that all happened in about 15 minutes. From walking through from minutes. From walking through from minutes. From walking through from walking through the gate to seeing Gab's walking through the gate to seeing Gab's walking through the gate to seeing Gab's identical twin to Dan's daughter who had identical twin to Dan's daughter who had identical twin to Dan's daughter who had never met me and didn't have my phone never met me and didn't have my phone never met me and didn't have my phone number um texting me that number um texting me that number um texting me that this is not what you expected when you this is not what you expected when you this is not what you expected when you got on the flight to Sedona. [laughter] got on the flight to Sedona. [laughter] got on the flight to Sedona. [laughter] That's one way to put it. How much your That's one way to put it. How much your That's one way to put it. How much your wife said that God is always talking to wife said that God is always talking to wife said that God is always talking to you, but you don't hear it because you, but you don't hear it because you, but you don't hear it because you're distracted. Mhm.

you're distracted. Mhm. you're distracted. Mhm. >> Do you think that's true? >> Do you think that's true? >> Do you think that's true? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think it >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think it >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think it happened again in that year and a half I happened again in that year and a half I happened again in that year and a half I was telling you about that I um that I let all the praise and all that that I let all the praise and all that get to me. get to me. get to me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I got too wrapped up in it. >> I got too wrapped up in it. >> I got too wrapped up in it. >> Yeah. We've all been there for sure. >> Yeah. We've all been there for sure. >> Yeah. We've all been there for sure. Especially with knowledge. It's not just Especially with knowledge. It's not just Especially with knowledge. It's not just money and fame. money and fame. money and fame. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> or all that. I've never taken any of >> or all that. I've never taken any of >> or all that. I've never taken any of that seriously. But the the idea that that seriously. But the the idea that that seriously. But the the idea that you know stuff that civilians don't you know stuff that civilians don't you know stuff that civilians don't know, that's a kind of arrogance and know, that's a kind of arrogance and know, that's a kind of arrogance and lie. lie. lie. You said that. You said like, "You don't You said that. You said like, "You don't You said that. You said like, "You don't know the things I know. Why am I even know the things I know. Why am I even know the things I know. Why am I even listening to you?" listening to you?" listening to you?" >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> I've definitely been there. >> I've definitely been there. >> I've definitely been there. >> It's a pretty [ __ ] up place to be. >> It's a pretty [ __ ] up place to be. >> It's a pretty [ __ ] up place to be. >> Yeah. pretty it's a pretty subtle >> Yeah. pretty it's a pretty subtle >> Yeah. pretty it's a pretty subtle temptation too because of course who temptation too because of course who temptation too because of course who doesn't want more knowledge isn't the doesn't want more knowledge isn't the doesn't want more knowledge isn't the whole point of this business to find out whole point of this business to find out whole point of this business to find out how things work.

>> That's what everybody will make you >> That's what everybody will make you think. think. think. >> Well, that's what I've always assumed. >> Well, that's what I've always assumed. >> Well, that's what I've always assumed. And then as my wife once pointed out to And then as my wife once pointed out to And then as my wife once pointed out to me, Adam and Eve didn't get ejected from me, Adam and Eve didn't get ejected from me, Adam and Eve didn't get ejected from the garden because of their ignorance, the garden because of their ignorance, the garden because of their ignorance, but because of their knowledge. but because of their knowledge. but because of their knowledge. So, you know, the pursuit of knowledge So, you know, the pursuit of knowledge So, you know, the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, for its own sake, for its own sake, you know, I mixed feelings about. I used you know, I mixed feelings about. I used you know, I mixed feelings about. I used to think that was like the highest to think that was like the highest to think that was like the highest virtue was just to like know more. virtue was just to like know more. virtue was just to like know more. But having learned a lot more than I But having learned a lot more than I But having learned a lot more than I think, not to be arrogant, more than think, not to be arrogant, more than think, not to be arrogant, more than most people, I'm not sure it got me most people, I'm not sure it got me most people, I'm not sure it got me anything. It definitely didn't get me to anything. It definitely didn't get me to anything. It definitely didn't get me to understanding. understanding. understanding. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did you feel that as you like learned as >> Did you feel that as you like learned as >> Did you feel that as you like learned as you uncovered more and more lies? you uncovered more and more lies? you uncovered more and more lies? Did you feel happier, more content, more Did you feel happier, more content, more Did you feel happier, more content, more at peace? Did you feel like you had a at peace? Did you feel like you had a at peace? Did you feel like you had a deeper understanding of other people or deeper understanding of other people or deeper understanding of other people or did you just feel agitated? did you just feel agitated? did you just feel agitated? >> Oh, just agitated. Just anger and rage >> Oh, just agitated. Just anger and rage >> Oh, just agitated. Just anger and rage and and and all the time. I bring it home and I try all the time. I bring it home and I try all the time. I bring it home and I try to play with my kids and I wasn't there. to play with my kids and I wasn't there. to play with my kids and I wasn't there. My head wasn't there, My head wasn't there, My head wasn't there, you know, and I'd try to smoke smoke a you know, and I'd try to smoke smoke a you know, and I'd try to smoke smoke a joint or something to get in the in the joint or something to get in the in the joint or something to get in the in the present moment. That wouldn't work. So, present moment. That wouldn't work. So, present moment. That wouldn't work. So, I quit all of that [ __ ] I have no vices I quit all of that [ __ ] I have no vices I quit all of that [ __ ] I have no vices now. It's great.

now. It's great. now. It's great. >> When did you give up weed? >> When did you give up weed? >> When did you give up weed? >> About a month ago. [laughter] >> About a month ago. [laughter] >> About a month ago. [laughter] >> How's it going? >> How's it going? >> How's it going? >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> Any downsides? >> Any downsides? >> Any downsides? >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Didn't affect your sleep. >> Didn't affect your sleep. >> Didn't affect your sleep. >> I don't know what's affecting my sleep. >> I don't know what's affecting my sleep. >> I don't know what's affecting my sleep. >> You can't sleep anyway. So, >> You can't sleep anyway. So, >> You can't sleep anyway. So, >> that's [laughter] not But that's not um >> that's [laughter] not But that's not um >> that's [laughter] not But that's not um It's all this other stuff that I'm going It's all this other stuff that I'm going It's all this other stuff that I'm going through right now that's affecting my through right now that's affecting my through right now that's affecting my sleep. It's not that. sleep. It's not that. sleep. It's not that. >> But you gave up weed. No drinking. No >> But you gave up weed. No drinking. No >> But you gave up weed. No drinking. No drinking. Haven't had a drop in over drinking. Haven't had a drop in over drinking. Haven't had a drop in over four years. Um that happened after Iva four years. Um that happened after Iva four years. Um that happened after Iva again. Um and then yeah, now no again. Um and then yeah, now no again. Um and then yeah, now no caffeine. caffeine. caffeine. >> No caffeine. >> No caffeine. >> No caffeine. >> Nicotine. >> Nicotine. >> Nicotine. >> No nicotine. >> No nicotine. >> No nicotine. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Okay. Now, okay. >> Okay. Now, okay. >> Okay. Now, okay. >> Sorry. But uh >> Sorry. But uh >> Sorry. But uh >> you know, Sean, I was with you up until >> you know, Sean, I was with you up until >> you know, Sean, I was with you up until right [laughter] then. But right [laughter] then. But right [laughter] then. But >> you start getting into nicotine and >> you start getting into nicotine and >> you start getting into nicotine and that's like crazy town. that's like crazy town. that's like crazy town. >> No drugs, no weed, no nothing. >> No drugs, no weed, no nothing. >> No drugs, no weed, no nothing. >> What do you think of it? >> What do you think of it? >> What do you think of it? >> It's great. >> It's great. >> It's great. It's it it um It's it it um It's it it um there's just nothing to mask your there's just nothing to mask your there's just nothing to mask your emotions [ __ ] naked in front of emotions [ __ ] naked in front of emotions [ __ ] naked in front of everybody. It's happening, you know, everybody. It's happening, you know, everybody. It's happening, you know, when I'm reading that text. That would when I'm reading that text. That would when I'm reading that text. That would never happened before.

never happened before. never happened before. I'm feeling things. I'm feeling emotions I'm feeling things. I'm feeling emotions I'm feeling things. I'm feeling emotions that, you know, before I just felt rage, that, you know, before I just felt rage, that, you know, before I just felt rage, just anger. That's pretty much it, you just anger. That's pretty much it, you just anger. That's pretty much it, you know. And uh now I'm I'm I'm feeling all know. And uh now I'm I'm I'm feeling all know. And uh now I'm I'm I'm feeling all of them. of them. of them. I think that's why we use substances so I think that's why we use substances so I think that's why we use substances so we don't have to do that, right? we don't have to do that, right? we don't have to do that, right? >> Was it a hard transition? You don't feel on overload. You don't feel on overload. >> This is what puts me on overload. Was >> This is what puts me on overload. Was >> This is what puts me on overload. Was it hard to get off? What was harder? it hard to get off? What was harder? it hard to get off? What was harder? Getting off caffeine and nicotine or Getting off caffeine and nicotine or Getting off caffeine and nicotine or social media? social media? social media? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> How long did it take to get over your >> How long did it take to get over your >> How long did it take to get over your withdrawals, your ex withdrawals?

not long, you know, but my my not long, you know, but my my circumstances are a little different circumstances are a little different circumstances are a little different because of the things I'm dealing with because of the things I'm dealing with because of the things I'm dealing with right now and what I was, you know, right now and what I was, you know, right now and what I was, you know, describing to you describing to you describing to you >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> uh with the priests and that kind of >> uh with the priests and that kind of >> uh with the priests and that kind of stuff is just um stuff is just um stuff is just um so much more important and so much more so much more important and so much more so much more important and so much more real. So I I I I just I have to deal real. So I I I I just I have to deal real. So I I I I just I have to deal with that. and um with that. and um with that. and um which means I can't be dealing with this which means I can't be dealing with this which means I can't be dealing with this and I know what this will do. I know it and I know what this will do. I know it and I know what this will do. I know it will it will throw me back on the path will it will throw me back on the path will it will throw me back on the path that I was on and uh I just I don't want that I was on and uh I just I don't want that I was on and uh I just I don't want any part of that anymore either. any part of that anymore either. any part of that anymore either. >> So you're describing the [clears throat] >> So you're describing the [clears throat] >> So you're describing the [clears throat] phone is actively evil. I mean that's phone is actively evil. I mean that's phone is actively evil. I mean that's what you're saying. what you're saying. what you're saying. >> Yeah. I mean one person showed me, you >> Yeah. I mean one person showed me, you >> Yeah. I mean one person showed me, you know, I mean talking about Adam and Eve, know, I mean talking about Adam and Eve, know, I mean talking about Adam and Eve, you know what is that? [laughter] [laughter] It's an apple. Yeah. With one bite out It's an apple. Yeah. With one bite out It's an apple. Yeah. With one bite out of it. Huh.

Huh. So, it's like this is the tree of the So, it's like this is the tree of the So, it's like this is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil basically. knowledge of good and evil basically. knowledge of good and evil basically. I never thought of that. I never thought of that. I never thought of that. Me either. Me either. Me either. >> You can tell what a deep person I am. >> You can tell what a deep person I am. >> You can tell what a deep person I am. How how often do you have a realization How how often do you have a realization How how often do you have a realization like that and you and you you understand like that and you and you you understand like that and you and you you understand that like something you've had in your that like something you've had in your that like something you've had in your hand, you know, every 5 minutes for the hand, you know, every 5 minutes for the hand, you know, every 5 minutes for the last 10 years, you've never really last 10 years, you've never really last 10 years, you've never really thought about it. thought about it. thought about it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How am I missing the most obvious >> How am I missing the most obvious >> How am I missing the most obvious things? things? things? >> I don't know. I mean, I just Yeah. We're >> I don't know. I mean, I just Yeah. We're >> I don't know. I mean, I just Yeah. We're all We're all a slave to it. >> So, you've um >> So, you've um you're rolling out an app called you're rolling out an app called you're rolling out an app called Glacier. Glacier. Glacier. >> Yeah. Yeah. One of my least favorite >> Yeah. Yeah. One of my least favorite >> Yeah. Yeah. One of my least favorite things to talk about is technology or things to talk about is technology or things to talk about is technology or apps I should say or other people's apps I should say or other people's apps I should say or other people's projects or like what someone's selling projects or like what someone's selling projects or like what someone's selling or whatever. I would ne every time I or whatever. I would ne every time I or whatever. I would ne every time I interview someone, not every time, but interview someone, not every time, but interview someone, not every time, but very often it's like, I've got this new very often it's like, I've got this new very often it's like, I've got this new thing. Can you talk about it? You thing. Can you talk about it? You thing. Can you talk about it? You actually didn't mention this to me at actually didn't mention this to me at actually didn't mention this to me at all. You didn't want to talk about it.

all. You didn't want to talk about it. all. You didn't want to talk about it. And I hate this topic, but this is an And I hate this topic, but this is an And I hate this topic, but this is an interesting enough thing that I would interesting enough thing that I would interesting enough thing that I would actually like to push you on a little actually like to push you on a little actually like to push you on a little bit. bit. bit. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, one of the big problems I have with So, one of the big problems I have with So, one of the big problems I have with phones is I don't that they're not phones is I don't that they're not phones is I don't that they're not private, of course, and not just for us. private, of course, and not just for us. private, of course, and not just for us. I mean, it's obvious if you're in I mean, it's obvious if you're in I mean, it's obvious if you're in broadcasting, you know, you're going to broadcasting, you know, you're going to broadcasting, you know, you're going to be surveiled. So, and I know that I am, be surveiled. So, and I know that I am, be surveiled. So, and I know that I am, but just like everybody is and it's but just like everybody is and it's but just like everybody is and it's upsetting and there's really kind of no upsetting and there's really kind of no upsetting and there's really kind of no solution to it. I've spent a lot of time solution to it. I've spent a lot of time solution to it. I've spent a lot of time on this topic and I've never seen on this topic and I've never seen on this topic and I've never seen anything that protects people from it anything that protects people from it anything that protects people from it and but it sounds like this app might and but it sounds like this app might and but it sounds like this app might help. What is it? help. What is it? help. What is it? It's uh It's uh It's uh can I just tell you the story? can I just tell you the story? can I just tell you the story? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that would be better than me trying to >> that would be better than me trying to >> that would be better than me trying to get into the technicalities of get into the technicalities of get into the technicalities of everything that I don't know and everything that I don't know and everything that I don't know and understand that well. But um understand that well. But um understand that well. But um >> you know, it came from uh it just came >> you know, it came from uh it just came >> you know, it came from uh it just came from paranoia, you know, and I mean I from paranoia, you know, and I mean I from paranoia, you know, and I mean I think I last time I checked think I last time I checked think I last time I checked >> eight out of I think I interviewed eight >> eight out of I think I interviewed eight >> eight out of I think I interviewed eight people that got picked up for the people that got picked up for the people that got picked up for the administration.

administration. administration. A lot of two of them thanked me A lot of two of them thanked me A lot of two of them thanked me personally because they said my personally because they said my personally because they said my interviews are the ones that got them in interviews are the ones that got them in interviews are the ones that got them in there. One of them got picked 5 days there. One of them got picked 5 days there. One of them got picked 5 days after I released the interview. after I released the interview. after I released the interview. Secretary of War. Um and uh be just like after they all got and uh be just like after they all got in there in there in there and there's you know some of them trying and there's you know some of them trying and there's you know some of them trying to influence me and senators and to influence me and senators and to influence me and senators and congressmen and congressmen and congressmen and other people other people other people and and and I'm like and and now that and and and I'm like and and now that and and and I'm like and and now that they're in there it's like they want me they're in there it's like they want me they're in there it's like they want me to do [ __ ] or they did. I pretty much to do [ __ ] or they did. I pretty much to do [ __ ] or they did. I pretty much have made my statements like I'm I'm have made my statements like I'm I'm have made my statements like I'm I'm very loud about [ __ ] and I want them to very loud about [ __ ] and I want them to very loud about [ __ ] and I want them to get the message. So, I don't [ __ ] ask get the message. So, I don't [ __ ] ask get the message. So, I don't [ __ ] ask me for for that stuff. And and um but I me for for that stuff. And and um but I me for for that stuff. And and um but I get I got paranoid like get I got paranoid like get I got paranoid like are they monitoring me now because are they monitoring me now because are they monitoring me now because they're worried I'm going to go against they're worried I'm going to go against they're worried I'm going to go against them or like what's going on? And and them or like what's going on? And and them or like what's going on? And and then the Bao Shikim interview happened, then the Bao Shikim interview happened, then the Bao Shikim interview happened, you know, in Taiwan and I started you know, in Taiwan and I started you know, in Taiwan and I started getting paranoid about that. So anyways, getting paranoid about that. So anyways, getting paranoid about that. So anyways, I started looking up. I was like, I I I started looking up. I was like, I I I started looking up. I was like, I I need like something if anything just for need like something if anything just for need like something if anything just for peace of mind. Like I like peace of mind. Like I like peace of mind. Like I like are they listening when I'm talking to are they listening when I'm talking to are they listening when I'm talking to my wife? Are they listening when I go to my wife? Are they listening when I go to my wife? Are they listening when I go to dinners with people? Like what is dinners with people? Like what is dinners with people? Like what is happening? And um happening? And um happening? And um [clears throat] and so [clears throat] and so [clears throat] and so >> Short answer, yes.

>> Short answer, yes. >> Short answer, yes. >> Yeah. So I started asking around for a >> Yeah. So I started asking around for a >> Yeah. So I started asking around for a black phone. I'm like what? Like what is black phone. I'm like what? Like what is black phone. I'm like what? Like what is the one that people are using? and uh the one that people are using? and uh the one that people are using? and uh like is the is there a real one or is it like is the is there a real one or is it like is the is there a real one or is it all these [ __ ] gimmicky ones that all these [ __ ] gimmicky ones that all these [ __ ] gimmicky ones that came out? And came out? And came out? And a friend of mine said, "Yeah, the the a friend of mine said, "Yeah, the the a friend of mine said, "Yeah, the the this is what this is what the this is what this is what the this is what this is what the [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] like the tier one units and the like the tier one units and the like the tier one units and the intelligence communities and stuff are intelligence communities and stuff are intelligence communities and stuff are using. It's this. It's called Glacier." using. It's this. It's called Glacier." using. It's this. It's called Glacier." And um so I I And um so I I And um so I I called um who's now my COO, Elijah, and called um who's now my COO, Elijah, and called um who's now my COO, Elijah, and I was like, "Hey, get in touch with this I was like, "Hey, get in touch with this I was like, "Hey, get in touch with this company and and let's uh I I want a company and and let's uh I I want a company and and let's uh I I want a phone and I want one for everybody on phone and I want one for everybody on phone and I want one for everybody on the team." And um so he got in touch and the team." And um so he got in touch and the team." And um so he got in touch and I was like, "See if they're interested I was like, "See if they're interested I was like, "See if they're interested in advertising." And it's was like, in advertising." And it's was like, in advertising." And it's was like, "Yeah, they love the show." I was like, "Yeah, they love the show." I was like, "Yeah, they love the show." I was like, "Really? That's cool." And I was like, "Really? That's cool." And I was like, "Really? That's cool." And I was like, "See if they're interested in community "See if they're interested in community "See if they're interested in community that watches your show. I think it's that watches your show. I think it's that watches your show. I think it's fair to say.

fair to say. fair to say. >> Yeah. And I was like, see if uh see if >> Yeah. And I was like, see if uh see if >> Yeah. And I was like, see if uh see if they want to do an equity deal. Yeah, they want to do an equity deal. Yeah, they want to do an equity deal. Yeah, they want to do an equity deal. And I they want to do an equity deal. And I they want to do an equity deal. And I was like, all right, well, let's get the was like, all right, well, let's get the was like, all right, well, let's get the product and see if we like it and if it product and see if we like it and if it product and see if we like it and if it actually works. actually works. actually works. And then I found out the price of the And then I found out the price of the And then I found out the price of the product and I was like, "Holy shit." product and I was like, "Holy shit." product and I was like, "Holy shit." Like, it's it's very expensive for a Like, it's it's very expensive for a Like, it's it's very expensive for a phone and even more expensive for the phone and even more expensive for the phone and even more expensive for the service. like is like ballpark like service. like is like ballpark like service. like is like ballpark like uh close to 10 grand for the phone. uh close to 10 grand for the phone. uh close to 10 grand for the phone. >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> And and maybe a little bit more than >> And and maybe a little bit more than >> And and maybe a little bit more than that for the service. And so I was like, that for the service. And so I was like, that for the service. And so I was like, man, man, man, >> that's a lot. >> that's a lot. >> that's a lot. >> Yeah. I'm like, um well, we're getting >> Yeah. I'm like, um well, we're getting >> Yeah. I'm like, um well, we're getting them cuz I'm super [ __ ] paranoid. And them cuz I'm super [ __ ] paranoid. And them cuz I'm super [ __ ] paranoid. And um you know they have like kidnapping um you know they have like kidnapping um you know they have like kidnapping features for your kids and they can they features for your kids and they can they features for your kids and they can they can upload and and delete footprints in can upload and and delete footprints in can upload and and delete footprints in different countries so that it makes it different countries so that it makes it different countries so that it makes it you know they can do all kinds of like you know they can do all kinds of like you know they can do all kinds of like wazu [ __ ] like totally delete your your wazu [ __ ] like totally delete your your wazu [ __ ] like totally delete your your digital footprint you know uh from digital footprint you know uh from digital footprint you know uh from wherever and upload a fake one. Like wherever and upload a fake one. Like wherever and upload a fake one. Like they they can do all kinds of like they they they can do all kinds of like they they they can do all kinds of like they have a messaging service that tunnels have a messaging service that tunnels have a messaging service that tunnels you in. So, like, you know, the the you in. So, like, you know, the the you in. So, like, you know, the the signal leak that happened early on, signal leak that happened early on, signal leak that happened early on, that's impossible to happen. You could that's impossible to happen. You could that's impossible to happen. You could have your entire organization in this have your entire organization in this have your entire organization in this one chat where you can't accidentally one chat where you can't accidentally one chat where you can't accidentally add the wrong Tucker in there. You know add the wrong Tucker in there. You know add the wrong Tucker in there. You know what I mean? And and and what I mean? And and and what I mean? And and and >> you couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg from >> you couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg from >> you couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic on your group text.

the Atlantic on your group text. the Atlantic on your group text. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Okay. Yeah. I >> Okay. Yeah. I >> Okay. Yeah. I >> That might be worth 10 grand, actually. >> That might be worth 10 grand, actually. >> That might be worth 10 grand, actually. >> Yeah. Um, so anyways, uh, I was like, >> Yeah. Um, so anyways, uh, I was like, >> Yeah. Um, so anyways, uh, I was like, man, I would love to do business with man, I would love to do business with man, I would love to do business with you guys, but I was like, this we're you guys, but I was like, this we're you guys, but I was like, this we're shooting for like shooting for like shooting for like top tier tech CEOs, seuite execs, and top tier tech CEOs, seuite execs, and top tier tech CEOs, seuite execs, and maybe government contracts, which you maybe government contracts, which you maybe government contracts, which you guys already have a foothold in. And I guys already have a foothold in. And I guys already have a foothold in. And I was like um I I was like I would be was like um I I was like I would be was like um I I was like I would be interested if you had like an interested if you had like an interested if you had like an application that was maybe um you know application that was maybe um you know application that was maybe um you know close to that or maybe some of the close to that or maybe some of the close to that or maybe some of the features that you have in this aren't in features that you have in this aren't in features that you have in this aren't in that you know something that's more that you know something that's more that you know something that's more affordable that everybody can use. And affordable that everybody can use. And affordable that everybody can use. And uh they said well we uh they said well we uh they said well we obviously have a program we can turn it obviously have a program we can turn it obviously have a program we can turn it into an app. And into an app. And into an app. And I was like, "All right, let's see what I was like, "All right, let's see what I was like, "All right, let's see what that looks like." So, we we we did it. that looks like." So, we we we did it. that looks like." So, we we we did it. And uh we spent about a year uh putting And uh we spent about a year uh putting And uh we spent about a year uh putting it all together. And um so it's called it all together. And um so it's called it all together. And um so it's called the Glacier app. And uh it's, you know, the Glacier app. And uh it's, you know, the Glacier app. And uh it's, you know, a lot of the VPN companies that a lot of the VPN companies that a lot of the VPN companies that podcasters are representing or owned by podcasters are representing or owned by podcasters are representing or owned by China or they're owned by Israel or China or they're owned by Israel or China or they're owned by Israel or they're owned by Russia. They're fake.

they're owned by Russia. They're fake. they're owned by Russia. They're fake. Yeah. And um I mean, you can you can Yeah. And um I mean, you can you can Yeah. And um I mean, you can you can look it up. Don't take my word for it. look it up. Don't take my word for it. look it up. Don't take my word for it. >> I dropped a VPN sponsor over this exact >> I dropped a VPN sponsor over this exact >> I dropped a VPN sponsor over this exact question. question. question. >> Me too. >> Me too. >> Me too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Me too. And >> Me too. And >> Me too. And and uh and uh and uh >> I didn't know that. I didn't know that >> I didn't know that. I didn't know that >> I didn't know that. I didn't know that VPN is basically a digital honey trap. VPN is basically a digital honey trap. VPN is basically a digital honey trap. >> Yeah. And so >> Yeah. And so >> Yeah. And so and and one and and a lot like there's a and and one and and a lot like there's a and and one and and a lot like there's a Chinese company that owns like a whole Chinese company that owns like a whole Chinese company that owns like a whole conglomerate of these things. So you so conglomerate of these things. So you so conglomerate of these things. So you so anyways, we're all American VPNs. Uh no anyways, we're all American VPNs. Uh no anyways, we're all American VPNs. Uh no data is stored at all. data is stored at all. data is stored at all. um secure DNS um secure DNS um secure DNS uh data blocking. So I think this uh data blocking. So I think this uh data blocking. So I think this morning before I came in here, we just morning before I came in here, we just morning before I came in here, we just launched it like it just happened to launched it like it just happened to launched it like it just happened to come out like 2 days ago. Uh and just by come out like 2 days ago. Uh and just by come out like 2 days ago. Uh and just by what 11:00 a.m. we had like 830 uh web what 11:00 a.m. we had like 830 uh web what 11:00 a.m. we had like 830 uh web trackers blocked on the phone, which is trackers blocked on the phone, which is trackers blocked on the phone, which is the marketing [ __ ] And I don't even the marketing [ __ ] And I don't even the marketing [ __ ] And I don't even have social media apps on my phone. Told have social media apps on my phone. Told have social media apps on my phone. Told you I deleted them all. And then uh it you I deleted them all. And then uh it you I deleted them all. And then uh it has a uh we have a burner number uh has a uh we have a burner number uh has a uh we have a burner number uh service on there. So service on there. So service on there. So especially for somebody like you or I especially for somebody like you or I especially for somebody like you or I who's meeting all these people, maybe who's meeting all these people, maybe who's meeting all these people, maybe you don't want everybody to have your you don't want everybody to have your you don't want everybody to have your number. So you can you can um go in number. So you can you can um go in number. So you can you can um go in there and pick any any area code you there and pick any any area code you there and pick any any area code you want by a a burner number and give that want by a a burner number and give that want by a a burner number and give that to these state actors or for regular to these state actors or for regular to these state actors or for regular people, you know, you get a hotel, you people, you know, you get a hotel, you people, you know, you get a hotel, you do a you make a contribution to a

do a you make a contribution to a do a you make a contribution to a political campaign, you order a pizza, political campaign, you order a pizza, political campaign, you order a pizza, what whatever it is like that your what whatever it is like that your what whatever it is like that your number, you know, goes up for sale and number, you know, goes up for sale and number, you know, goes up for sale and then you're getting 50 million spam then you're getting 50 million spam then you're getting 50 million spam calls so you can buy however many burner calls so you can buy however many burner calls so you can buy however many burner numbers you want and if the relationship numbers you want and if the relationship numbers you want and if the relationship goes sour, you just burn the number and goes sour, you just burn the number and goes sour, you just burn the number and pick a new one. And um and then they pick a new one. And um and then they pick a new one. And um and then they have no way to contact you ever again. have no way to contact you ever again. have no way to contact you ever again. So yeah, we call it the Glacier app and So yeah, we call it the Glacier app and So yeah, we call it the Glacier app and and that's it's affordable. Everybody and that's it's affordable. Everybody and that's it's affordable. Everybody can get it. can get it. can get it. >> Does it help prevent you from being >> Does it help prevent you from being >> Does it help prevent you from being spied on? spied on? spied on? It does the things that I told you it It does the things that I told you it It does the things that I told you it does, you know, and so there's nothing does, you know, and so there's nothing does, you know, and so there's nothing that's full foolproof being honest, you that's full foolproof being honest, you that's full foolproof being honest, you know, like I'm sure there's some way to know, like I'm sure there's some way to know, like I'm sure there's some way to possibly defeat it, but um you know, for possibly defeat it, but um you know, for possibly defeat it, but um you know, for for the majority of stuff, it's going to for the majority of stuff, it's going to for the majority of stuff, it's going to block 99% of the stuff that comes in. block 99% of the stuff that comes in. block 99% of the stuff that comes in. What if your phone number's on the What if your phone number's on the What if your phone number's on the internet?

internet? internet? >> What if your phone number's on the >> What if your phone number's on the >> What if your phone number's on the internet? My number's on the internet. internet? My number's on the internet. internet? My number's on the internet. Well, I mean, it's not going to delete Well, I mean, it's not going to delete Well, I mean, it's not going to delete your phone number off the internet, your phone number off the internet, your phone number off the internet, [laughter] but damn. But, but you can [laughter] but damn. But, but you can [laughter] but damn. But, but you can get as many new ones as you want. So, get as many new ones as you want. So, get as many new ones as you want. So, >> and you just go to the the Apple Store >> and you just go to the the Apple Store >> and you just go to the the Apple Store and get it. and get it. and get it. >> Yep. You go to the Apple Store and get >> Yep. You go to the Apple Store and get >> Yep. You go to the Apple Store and get it or the Glacier app.com. Either either it or the Glacier app.com. Either either it or the Glacier app.com. Either either one. It's just for iOS right now. We'll one. It's just for iOS right now. We'll one. It's just for iOS right now. We'll have uh Android out in a couple months. have uh Android out in a couple months. have uh Android out in a couple months. But with your number, just you know, But with your number, just you know, But with your number, just you know, glacier aside, glacier aside, glacier aside, what what what you never just if you get rid of your you never just if you get rid of your you never just if you get rid of your number, you want to keep it and get a number, you want to keep it and get a number, you want to keep it and get a new one. You don't want to you don't new one. You don't want to you don't new one. You don't want to you don't want to burn the number that you have want to burn the number that you have want to burn the number that you have all your banks and all that kind of all your banks and all that kind of all your banks and all that kind of stuff do because if somebody else picks stuff do because if somebody else picks stuff do because if somebody else picks that up, then it would be bad deal for that up, then it would be bad deal for that up, then it would be bad deal for you. you. you. >> It would be a bad deal. >> It would be a bad deal. >> It would be a bad deal. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, I don't I don't do online banking as Um, I don't I don't do online banking as Um, I don't I don't do online banking as a result a result a result >> or online whatever. But >> or online whatever. But >> or online whatever. But >> yeah, I don't do online anything. That's >> yeah, I don't do online anything. That's >> yeah, I don't do online anything. That's why. why. why. >> Yeah. I don't I just I never was >> Yeah. I don't I just I never was >> Yeah. I don't I just I never was impressed by all that stuff. I order impressed by all that stuff. I order impressed by all that stuff. I order ammo on my phone. That's it. [laughter] ammo on my phone. That's it. [laughter] ammo on my phone. That's it. [laughter] It's the only transaction I do on my It's the only transaction I do on my It's the only transaction I do on my phone.

phone. phone. Well, I bet you got a lot of that. Well, I bet you got a lot of that. Well, I bet you got a lot of that. >> I do. Yeah, I have a lot of that. Um, >> I do. Yeah, I have a lot of that. Um, >> I do. Yeah, I have a lot of that. Um, so what I know you're not in the so what I know you're not in the so what I know you're not in the business of giving business of giving business of giving like advice to people. You're clearly like advice to people. You're clearly like advice to people. You're clearly coming from a place especially now of coming from a place especially now of coming from a place especially now of like genuine humility like genuine humility like genuine humility and you said it's important to work on and you said it's important to work on and you said it's important to work on yourself before you start running around yourself before you start running around yourself before you start running around telling other people how to live. And I telling other people how to live. And I telling other people how to live. And I respect all of that. But if you know if respect all of that. But if you know if respect all of that. But if you know if you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or you know older and said what what advice you know older and said what what advice you know older and said what what advice would you give me about how to live? would you give me about how to live? would you give me about how to live? What would your advice be? What would your advice be? What would your advice be? >> Don't put your faith in any man. >> Don't put your faith in any man. >> Don't put your faith in any man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're going to be disappointed every >> You're going to be disappointed every >> You're going to be disappointed every single time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's really wise. There's something in That's really wise. There's something in That's really wise. There's something in us that wants to believe in other us that wants to believe in other us that wants to believe in other people. Did you put your faith in Pete Hegsth? Did you put your faith in Pete Hegsth? Yep.

Yep. Yep. What was your takeaway from your What was your takeaway from your What was your takeaway from your interview with him? interview with him? interview with him? Well, Well, Well, if I remember right, I mean, I don't if I remember right, I mean, I don't if I remember right, I mean, I don't remember the interview that well, but if remember the interview that well, but if remember the interview that well, but if I remember right, Pete wanted to be the I remember right, Pete wanted to be the I remember right, Pete wanted to be the Secretary of the Veterans Affairs. Secretary of the Veterans Affairs. Secretary of the Veterans Affairs. >> He did in the first term. and >> He did in the first term. and >> He did in the first term. and I just have no I just don't really have I just have no I just don't really have I just have no I just don't really have much interest in the Veterans Affairs. much interest in the Veterans Affairs. much interest in the Veterans Affairs. And so I steered the interview into what And so I steered the interview into what And so I steered the interview into what would you do if you were Secretary of would you do if you were Secretary of would you do if you were Secretary of Defense Defense Defense cuz I was much more interested in that cuz I was much more interested in that cuz I was much more interested in that kind of stuff than I was with the kind of stuff than I was with the kind of stuff than I was with the Veterans Affairs. Being a veteran, I Veterans Affairs. Being a veteran, I Veterans Affairs. Being a veteran, I just think the VA is a lost cause. just think the VA is a lost cause. just think the VA is a lost cause. Really? Yeah. And um and uh Really? Yeah. And um and uh Really? Yeah. And um and uh and so I steered it that way. and so I steered it that way. and so I steered it that way. And then five days later, the [ __ ] And then five days later, the [ __ ] And then five days later, the [ __ ] after the release, the guy gets I I after the release, the guy gets I I after the release, the guy gets I I didn't even want to interview Pete didn't even want to interview Pete didn't even want to interview Pete because it was a book. He had a book out because it was a book. He had a book out because it was a book. He had a book out and he's a Fox News guy and I [ __ ] and he's a Fox News guy and I [ __ ] and he's a Fox News guy and I [ __ ] hate Fox News. And I was like, I don't hate Fox News. And I was like, I don't hate Fox News. And I was like, I don't know. I don't want I don't I don't want know. I don't want I don't I don't want know. I don't want I don't I don't want to I don't want to interview him because to I don't want to interview him because to I don't want to interview him because he's a Fox News guy.

he's a Fox News guy. he's a Fox News guy. >> Yeah. And um I was like, "All right, >> Yeah. And um I was like, "All right, >> Yeah. And um I was like, "All right, like I I think it was a whatever." I was like I I think it was a whatever." I was like I I think it was a whatever." I was like, "All right, we'll do it." And like, "All right, we'll do it." And like, "All right, we'll do it." And then it was like, "All right, hurry up then it was like, "All right, hurry up then it was like, "All right, hurry up and get this interview out. I just You and get this interview out. I just You and get this interview out. I just You just get it out. [laughter] Let's get just get it out. [laughter] Let's get just get it out. [laughter] Let's get this over with." this over with." this over with." >> You didn't think you were about to >> You didn't think you were about to >> You didn't think you were about to change history of the world? change history of the world? change history of the world? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then 5 days later, he gets picked up >> And then 5 days later, he gets picked up >> And then 5 days later, he gets picked up for Secretary of Defense. for Secretary of Defense. for Secretary of Defense. >> What did you think when you heard that? >> What did you think when you heard that? >> What did you think when you heard that? >> I was like, "Holy [ __ ] that's crazy." >> I was like, "Holy [ __ ] that's crazy." >> I was like, "Holy [ __ ] that's crazy." And then it inflated my ego. I'm like, And then it inflated my ego. I'm like, And then it inflated my ego. I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] the show has power." Then I "Holy [ __ ] the show has power." Then I "Holy [ __ ] the show has power." Then I went to the Army Name football game and went to the Army Name football game and went to the Army Name football game and he points at me. He goes, "Thank you." he points at me. He goes, "Thank you." he points at me. He goes, "Thank you." I'm like, I was up at the box with all I'm like, I was up at the box with all I'm like, I was up at the box with all the big wigs, you know, Vance and Trump the big wigs, you know, Vance and Trump the big wigs, you know, Vance and Trump and all of all of them. And I'm like, and all of all of them. And I'm like, and all of all of them. And I'm like, what the [ __ ] am I doing here? But it, what the [ __ ] am I doing here? But it, what the [ __ ] am I doing here? But it, you know, you know, it inflates my ego you know, you know, it inflates my ego you know, you know, it inflates my ego and I'm like, "Holy shit." And then and I'm like, "Holy shit." And then and I'm like, "Holy shit." And then then everybody [clears throat] else gets then everybody [clears throat] else gets then everybody [clears throat] else gets picked. Cash Patel, Double We'll see, picked. Cash Patel, Double We'll see, picked. Cash Patel, Double We'll see, you know, now I'm not saying like I'm you know, now I'm not saying like I'm you know, now I'm not saying like I'm the guy, but for that one, the guy, but for that one, the guy, but for that one, that interview definitely had some that interview definitely had some that interview definitely had some influence.

influence. influence. >> How do you think it's gone? [snorts] >> I don't know. I mean, I don't think any >> I don't know. I mean, I don't think any of these guys really have any, you know, of these guys really have any, you know, of these guys really have any, you know, the funny thing is like you you you see the funny thing is like you you you see the funny thing is like you you you see all these people get up there and they all these people get up there and they all these people get up there and they get addicted to this [ __ ] power that get addicted to this [ __ ] power that get addicted to this [ __ ] power that they do not have, they do not have, they do not have, >> right? You know, it's like you think >> right? You know, it's like you think >> right? You know, it's like you think you're so powerful, but you can't even you're so powerful, but you can't even you're so powerful, but you can't even you can't even say what's on your mind. you can't even say what's on your mind. you can't even say what's on your mind. Like you're powerless. You have no Like you're powerless. You have no Like you're powerless. You have no [ __ ] power. You're just around you're [ __ ] power. You're just around you're [ __ ] power. You're just around you're around power that's telling you what to around power that's telling you what to around power that's telling you what to do and what to say. And do and what to say. And do and what to say. And it it's like I don't get the but they it it's like I don't get the but they it it's like I don't get the but they probably don't see it. You know what I probably don't see it. You know what I probably don't see it. You know what I mean? They probably don't see it, but mean? They probably don't see it, but mean? They probably don't see it, but they think they have all this power and they think they have all this power and they think they have all this power and they really they don't have any [ __ ] they really they don't have any [ __ ] they really they don't have any [ __ ] power. power. power. cuz they can't say what they really cuz they can't say what they really cuz they can't say what they really think. think. think. >> Yeah, they can't say what they won't >> Yeah, they can't say what they won't >> Yeah, they can't say what they won't even stand up for what they believe in, even stand up for what they believe in, even stand up for what they believe in, man. Like look at the [ __ ] that's man. Like look at the [ __ ] that's man. Like look at the [ __ ] that's happening. happening. happening. You really You're going to sit here and You really You're going to sit here and You really You're going to sit here and tell me the [ __ ] country is going tell me the [ __ ] country is going tell me the [ __ ] country is going great while the president of the United great while the president of the United great while the president of the United States kids are buying private islands States kids are buying private islands States kids are buying private islands with bunkers must be going great.

with bunkers must be going great. with bunkers must be going great. [laughter] Fair. Fair. I hadn't thought of it that way. That's I hadn't thought of it that way. That's I hadn't thought of it that way. That's probably not a good sign then, right? probably not a good sign then, right? probably not a good sign then, right? [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe they got >> Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe they got >> Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe they got some insider information, but some insider information, but some insider information, but you know, I mean, how how can you like you know, I mean, how how can you like you know, I mean, how how can you like what? Why do you hate Fox News? Why do you hate Fox News? >> Um, it's so great. >> Um, it's so great. >> Um, it's so great. >> Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should give >> Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should give >> Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should give it another chance. It's probably been 3 it another chance. It's probably been 3 it another chance. It's probably been 3 or 4 years since I've watched it. or 4 years since I've watched it. or 4 years since I've watched it. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. I don't think I'm missing anything, but I don't think I'm missing anything, but I don't think I'm missing anything, but >> But I mean, can you just push drill down >> But I mean, can you just push drill down >> But I mean, can you just push drill down a little bit on that? What about it a little bit on that? What about it a little bit on that? What about it turned you off? I'm just interested. I I turned you off? I'm just interested. I I turned you off? I'm just interested. I I I worked there at one point, so I I worked there at one point, so I I worked there at one point, so I >> Yeah, I mean, just the just the it's just lies over there, too. I think, it's just lies over there, too. I think, you know, it's it's you know, it's it's you know, it's it's with with both. It's not just Fox News.

with with both. It's not just Fox News. with with both. It's not just Fox News. It's all of them. It's all of them, you It's all of them. It's all of them, you It's all of them. It's all of them, you know, and you see, you know, especially know, and you see, you know, especially know, and you see, you know, especially like now, like now, like now, I haven't seen it in a while, but I I haven't seen it in a while, but I I haven't seen it in a while, but I would see things pop up on X and stuff would see things pop up on X and stuff would see things pop up on X and stuff and I'm like, and I'm like, and I'm like, and I I and I I and I I the older generation that watches it, the older generation that watches it, the older generation that watches it, that's how I know what's going on on that's how I know what's going on on that's how I know what's going on on there, you know, and it's like, man, did there, you know, and it's like, man, did there, you know, and it's like, man, did you know about like this and that and you know about like this and that and you know about like this and that and the other? Like, are are you getting a the other? Like, are are you getting a the other? Like, are are you getting a full picture here or full picture here or full picture here or they don't know anything ex It it's it's they don't know anything ex It it's it's they don't know anything ex It it's it's just crazy to me like they'd listen to only, you know, one source and it's only, you know, one source and it's like, man, like you you're not getting a like, man, like you you're not getting a like, man, like you you're not getting a full picture here and there. They're full picture here and there. They're full picture here and there. They're hiding [ __ ] from you. hiding [ __ ] from you. hiding [ __ ] from you. >> Maybe they're not Maybe they're not >> Maybe they're not Maybe they're not >> Maybe they're not Maybe they're not lying. They probably are, but they're lying. They probably are, but they're lying. They probably are, but they're hiding [ __ ] from you. They're hiding the hiding [ __ ] from you. They're hiding the hiding [ __ ] from you. They're hiding the full picture. full picture. full picture. >> They're hiding the full picture of the >> They're hiding the full picture of the >> They're hiding the full picture of the Upstate Files. They're hiding the full Upstate Files. They're hiding the full Upstate Files. They're hiding the full picture of every the Iran war. Like, is picture of every the Iran war. Like, is picture of every the Iran war. Like, is anybody over there talking about the anybody over there talking about the anybody over there talking about the petro dollar?

petro dollar? petro dollar? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Is anybody talking about the >> Is anybody talking about the >> Is anybody talking about the schizophrenic leadership that we're schizophrenic leadership that we're schizophrenic leadership that we're dealing with right now? Like the [ __ ] dealing with right now? Like the [ __ ] dealing with right now? Like the [ __ ] with Canada. Like, could you imagine with Canada. Like, could you imagine with Canada. Like, could you imagine like doing business with the US? like doing business with the US? like doing business with the US? Like the Canada pipeline. And I'm going Like the Canada pipeline. And I'm going Like the Canada pipeline. And I'm going to butcher this, but like what the Biden to butcher this, but like what the Biden to butcher this, but like what the Biden administration denied it. They didn't administration denied it. They didn't administration denied it. They didn't want the the the Key was Keystone. Yeah. want the the the Key was Keystone. Yeah. want the the the Key was Keystone. Yeah. Keystone pipeline coming in. Keystone pipeline coming in. Keystone pipeline coming in. >> And then they're like, "Okay." So then >> And then they're like, "Okay." So then >> And then they're like, "Okay." So then they do some deal with China and then we they do some deal with China and then we they do some deal with China and then we what throw like a 25% then Trump comes what throw like a 25% then Trump comes what throw like a 25% then Trump comes in we throw a 25% tariff on them for in we throw a 25% tariff on them for in we throw a 25% tariff on them for doing business with China then we throw doing business with China then we throw doing business with China then we throw a 35% then we do a 100% tariff and it's a 35% then we do a 100% tariff and it's a 35% then we do a 100% tariff and it's like dude what the [ __ ] is Canada like dude what the [ __ ] is Canada like dude what the [ __ ] is Canada supposed to do? They tried to pipe it supposed to do? They tried to pipe it supposed to do? They tried to pipe it right into the Midwest. We denied it. right into the Midwest. We denied it. right into the Midwest. We denied it. Now you're going to now you're going to Now you're going to now you're going to Now you're going to now you're going to you're going to put 100% tariff on them you're going to put 100% tariff on them you're going to put 100% tariff on them for making a deal with somebody else for making a deal with somebody else for making a deal with somebody else that we they offered us at the that we they offered us at the that we they offered us at the beginning. Like if there if I was a beginning. Like if there if I was a beginning. Like if there if I was a foreign country, there's no way in foreign country, there's no way in foreign country, there's no way in [ __ ] hell I would do business with [ __ ] hell I would do business with [ __ ] hell I would do business with the United States cuz there's no continuity. It's just cuz there's no continuity. It's just Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. >> It's literally like dealing with a crazy >> It's literally like dealing with a crazy >> It's literally like dealing with a crazy person. Like a schizophrenic [ __ ] person. Like a schizophrenic [ __ ] person. Like a schizophrenic [ __ ] crazy person. crazy person. crazy person. Like [ __ ] I just offered this to you Like [ __ ] I just offered this to you Like [ __ ] I just offered this to you guys like a couple years ago. Now you're guys like a couple years ago. Now you're guys like a couple years ago. Now you're like going crazy on me. like going crazy on me. like going crazy on me. What? What? What? What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? >> I think you're supposed to remember >> I think you're supposed to remember >> I think you're supposed to remember >> that's just one. >> that's just one. >> that's just one. >> I think the answer is Putin is bad. >> I think the answer is Putin is bad. >> I think the answer is Putin is bad. He's very very bad. He's very very bad. He's very very bad. >> That's that's that's the rumor. >> That's that's that's the rumor. >> That's that's that's the rumor. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I think that I think one of the um the >> I think that I think one of the um the >> I think that I think one of the um the main reasons that the United States, main reasons that the United States, main reasons that the United States, which is protected from the rest of the which is protected from the rest of the which is protected from the rest of the world by the world's largest oceans, world by the world's largest oceans, world by the world's largest oceans, never been invaded, never been invaded, never been invaded, has all the natural resources we need has all the natural resources we need has all the natural resources we need and a lot of great and smart people. The and a lot of great and smart people. The and a lot of great and smart people. The whole reason that we've been perpetually whole reason that we've been perpetually whole reason that we've been perpetually at war at war at war re really since 1917 re really since 1917 re really since 1917 is because identifying a foreign threat is because identifying a foreign threat is because identifying a foreign threat or foreign enemy or some that's or foreign enemy or some that's or foreign enemy or some that's something to worry about far away something to worry about far away something to worry about far away removes attention from our own bad removes attention from our own bad removes attention from our own bad leadership. It's a way of like our leadership. It's a way of like our leadership. It's a way of like our leaders to be like okay you're right but leaders to be like okay you're right but leaders to be like okay you're right but Putin but honestly the problem is Putin Putin but honestly the problem is Putin Putin but honestly the problem is Putin or Hitler or Hitler or Hitler >> who's been dead for 85 [laughter] >> who's been dead for 85 [laughter] >> who's been dead for 85 [laughter] years or whatever. It's like okay years or whatever. It's like okay years or whatever. It's like okay >> like the straight harm stuff like >> like the straight harm stuff like >> like the straight harm stuff like >> I I from what I understand like nobody >> I I from what I understand like nobody >> I I from what I understand like nobody really controlled it before.

really controlled it before. really controlled it before. >> Now now Iran has discovered like holy >> Now now Iran has discovered like holy >> Now now Iran has discovered like holy [ __ ] like the United States can't even [ __ ] like the United States can't even [ __ ] like the United States can't even shut us down. So now there's I'm sure shut us down. So now there's I'm sure shut us down. So now there's I'm sure there's going to be tax and there's going to be tax and there's going to be tax and escorts and everything until the end of escorts and everything until the end of escorts and everything until the end of time because if we can't shut them down time because if we can't shut them down time because if we can't shut them down then nobody's going to shut course. You then nobody's going to shut course. You then nobody's going to shut course. You know what I mean? And so hello new gas know what I mean? And so hello new gas know what I mean? And so hello new gas prices like they're not [ __ ] coming prices like they're not [ __ ] coming prices like they're not [ __ ] coming back. He just turned Iran into a global back. He just turned Iran into a global back. He just turned Iran into a global power power power >> and it will will remain a global power >> and it will will remain a global power >> and it will will remain a global power for the rest of our lives at least. for the rest of our lives at least. for the rest of our lives at least. >> Good job, admin. >> Good job, admin. >> Good job, admin. >> Yeah, good job. Did you think when you >> Yeah, good job. Did you think when you >> Yeah, good job. Did you think when you interviewed Pete Hegsth, did you since interviewed Pete Hegsth, did you since interviewed Pete Hegsth, did you since you served in the military under a you served in the military under a you served in the military under a secretary of well then it was defense, secretary of well then it was defense, secretary of well then it was defense, now it's of war. In fact, let me just now it's of war. In fact, let me just now it's of war. In fact, let me just interrupt myself and say, what do you interrupt myself and say, what do you interrupt myself and say, what do you think of the change from secret of think of the change from secret of think of the change from secret of defense department to department of war? defense department to department of war? defense department to department of war? >> Oh, I thought it was I thought it was >> Oh, I thought it was I thought it was >> Oh, I thought it was I thought it was stupid. stupid. stupid. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I thought it was like what? Why? Why? >> I thought it was like what? Why? Why? >> I thought it was like what? Why? Why? You'd know that's just going to piss You'd know that's just going to piss You'd know that's just going to piss people off. What's the Who cares? people off. What's the Who cares? people off. What's the Who cares? [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] We had to make and then and then of We had to make and then and then of We had to make and then and then of course we had to make a big show about course we had to make a big show about course we had to make a big show about it. I mean, I think Pete has done some it. I mean, I think Pete has done some it. I mean, I think Pete has done some good stuff, you know? I mean, he's good stuff, you know? I mean, he's good stuff, you know? I mean, he's cleaned up some of the de all maybe all cleaned up some of the de all maybe all cleaned up some of the de all maybe all of the DEI stuff. I think that's great.

of the DEI stuff. I think that's great. of the DEI stuff. I think that's great. Good job. You know what I mean? But Good job. You know what I mean? But Good job. You know what I mean? But >> but I mean, you know what I mean? I I I >> but I mean, you know what I mean? I I I >> but I mean, you know what I mean? I I I don't really know how much influence the don't really know how much influence the don't really know how much influence the suck defaf even has anymore, you know? suck defaf even has anymore, you know? suck defaf even has anymore, you know? So, um, good job on that cuz that So, um, good job on that cuz that So, um, good job on that cuz that sucked. And I, you know, I saw a lot of, sucked. And I, you know, I saw a lot of, sucked. And I, you know, I saw a lot of, I saw morale come back. I still got some I saw morale come back. I still got some I saw morale come back. I still got some buddies in. But I'll tell you what, uh, buddies in. But I'll tell you what, uh, buddies in. But I'll tell you what, uh, I just had some buddies leave. And I just had some buddies leave. And I just had some buddies leave. And everybody knows what this is. Everybody everybody knows what this is. Everybody everybody knows what this is. Everybody knows they're fighting for Israel. It's knows they're fighting for Israel. It's knows they're fighting for Israel. It's a joke. And this isn't me saying this. a joke. And this isn't me saying this. a joke. And this isn't me saying this. This is not me saying this, This is not me saying this, This is not me saying this, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> This is them. This is this is the guys >> This is them. This is this is the guys >> This is them. This is this is the guys that are going to go over there and tier that are going to go over there and tier that are going to go over there and tier one, tier 2 units that are joking around one, tier 2 units that are joking around one, tier 2 units that are joking around saying like, "Yeah, this is this isn't saying like, "Yeah, this is this isn't saying like, "Yeah, this is this isn't even for us." And you know, through just even for us." And you know, through just even for us." And you know, through just throughout history, that's that's not a throughout history, that's that's not a throughout history, that's that's not a winning strategy. winning strategy. winning strategy. >> Well, especially since >> Well, especially since >> Well, especially since >> if they don't believe in what they're >> if they don't believe in what they're >> if they don't believe in what they're potentially going to do, which hopefully potentially going to do, which hopefully potentially going to do, which hopefully they're going to do nothing. they're going to do nothing. they're going to do nothing. >> Yes. But high probability they're going >> Yes. But high probability they're going >> Yes. But high probability they're going to do something and they know it's not to do something and they know it's not to do something and they know it's not for the United States. It's for a for the United States. It's for a for the United States. It's for a foreign country foreign country foreign country like then fights out of the dog, buddy.

like then fights out of the dog, buddy. like then fights out of the dog, buddy. Really? Really? Really? Well, especially cuz they could get Well, especially cuz they could get Well, especially cuz they could get killed. I mean, it's kind of high killed. I mean, it's kind of high killed. I mean, it's kind of high stakes. That's what I'm getting at. stakes. That's what I'm getting at. stakes. That's what I'm getting at. >> Yeah. They know it's not for us. We're >> Yeah. They know it's not for us. We're >> Yeah. They know it's not for us. We're not defending our country. >> And you think they know that? No, >> And you think they know that? No, >> I don't think they know that. I know >> I don't think they know that. I know >> I don't think they know that. I know they know that because I just had a they know that because I just had a they know that because I just had a going away party for one and that's all going away party for one and that's all going away party for one and that's all he was talking about. he was talking about. he was talking about. It's [ __ ] sad. It's [ __ ] sad. It's [ __ ] sad. It's such a betrayal. It's such a betrayal. It's such a betrayal. It's such a betrayal. Like, why don't It's such a betrayal. Like, why don't It's such a betrayal. Like, why don't you just get out, man? you just get out, man? you just get out, man? because it's what he does for a living, because it's what he does for a living, because it's what he does for a living, right? right? right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What do you do after that? >> What do you do after that? >> What do you do after that? >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Like probably start a podcast. >> Like probably start a podcast. >> Like probably start a podcast. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> No, but seriously, what do you do? I >> No, but seriously, what do you do? I >> No, but seriously, what do you do? I don't know if we need like more shooting don't know if we need like more shooting don't know if we need like more shooting schools or executive protection. I mean, schools or executive protection. I mean, schools or executive protection. I mean, those I feel for those guys. They have those I feel for those guys. They have those I feel for those guys. They have these specialized talents, these specialized talents, these specialized talents, skills honed at great expense over skills honed at great expense over skills honed at great expense over years.

years. years. >> Well, you know, you got to give them >> Well, you know, you got to give them >> Well, you know, you got to give them hope. And so um because yeah that's what hope. And so um because yeah that's what hope. And so um because yeah that's what where most of them wind up and a lot of where most of them wind up and a lot of where most of them wind up and a lot of them are happy doing it. You know my guy them are happy doing it. You know my guy them are happy doing it. You know my guy is but uh but if you don't then you have is but uh but if you don't then you have is but uh but if you don't then you have to be willing to reinvent and start from to be willing to reinvent and start from to be willing to reinvent and start from zero and go to one and that's really zero and go to one and that's really zero and go to one and that's really [ __ ] hard to do but that's what you [ __ ] hard to do but that's what you [ __ ] hard to do but that's what you have to do. have to do. have to do. >> Do you talk to people getting out >> Do you talk to people getting out >> Do you talk to people getting out >> a lot? Yeah. Not a lot, but I mean I'm >> a lot? Yeah. Not a lot, but I mean I'm >> a lot? Yeah. Not a lot, but I mean I'm getting older, you know, so I'm I'm getting older, you know, so I'm I'm getting older, you know, so I'm I'm losing touch and uh most most of my losing touch and uh most most of my losing touch and uh most most of my generation is out. generation is out. generation is out. >> How do they feel about what they did? >> How do they feel about what they did? >> How do they feel about what they did? >> Pissed. >> Pissed. >> Pissed. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Majority of them are pissed. >> Majority of them are pissed. >> Majority of them are pissed. >> And these are GWAT people. >> And these are GWAT people. >> And these are GWAT people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What are they mad about? >> What are they mad about? >> What are they mad about? >> They don't believe it was for >> They don't believe it was for >> They don't believe it was for for the right reasons. for the right reasons. for the right reasons. I just told you the Pete Blabber I just told you the Pete Blabber I just told you the Pete Blabber episode. You know, the whole Iraq episode. You know, the whole Iraq episode. You know, the whole Iraq invasion was based off of a [ __ ] lie. invasion was based off of a [ __ ] lie. invasion was based off of a [ __ ] lie. A water truck, an air conditioning unit, A water truck, an air conditioning unit, A water truck, an air conditioning unit, and a guy taking piss outside of a and a guy taking piss outside of a and a guy taking piss outside of a building. That sounds like weapons mass building. That sounds like weapons mass building. That sounds like weapons mass destruction to me, Sean.

destruction to me, Sean. destruction to me, Sean. >> We sure showed them, didn't we? >> We sure showed them, didn't we? >> We sure showed them, didn't we? So, at some point, you got recruitment So, at some point, you got recruitment So, at some point, you got recruitment problems if people believe what you just problems if people believe what you just problems if people believe what you just said, right? said, right? said, right? Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, I would imagine. I don't know what the numbers are. I don't know what the numbers are. I don't know what the numbers are. When you were over there, did you think When you were over there, did you think When you were over there, did you think a lot about why you were over there? a lot about why you were over there? a lot about why you were over there? Yeah. But, Yeah. But, Yeah. But, you know, information didn't flow like you know, information didn't flow like you know, information didn't flow like it does now. So, we all thought we were it does now. So, we all thought we were it does now. So, we all thought we were there for the right reasons. And there for the right reasons. And there for the right reasons. And um really the only gripe was coming home um really the only gripe was coming home um really the only gripe was coming home and listening to all the all the liberal and listening to all the all the liberal and listening to all the all the liberal Democrats bitching about the war. Turns Democrats bitching about the war. Turns Democrats bitching about the war. Turns out they were right the whole [ __ ] out they were right the whole [ __ ] out they were right the whole [ __ ] time. I know, time. I know, time. I know, >> but you know, >> but you know, >> but you know, >> that's a head trip right there. That's >> that's a head trip right there. That's >> that's a head trip right there. That's hard for me to admit, but it's true. >> So, that raised a question. So, like >> So, that raised a question. So, like guys in SEAL teams or Delta or any of guys in SEAL teams or Delta or any of guys in SEAL teams or Delta or any of the the the most famous and highly trained special most famous and highly trained special most famous and highly trained special operator operator operator types, I always assume that they're types, I always assume that they're types, I always assume that they're right-wing Republicans. I've always right-wing Republicans. I've always right-wing Republicans. I've always thought that. Is that still true?

thought that. Is that still true? thought that. Is that still true? >> I don't know. You know, I don't I don't >> I don't know. You know, I don't I don't >> I don't know. You know, I don't I don't know. [sighs] know. [sighs] know. [sighs] I don't really Everything's just so I don't really Everything's just so I don't really Everything's just so mixed up now. I mean, [ __ ] you just got mixed up now. I mean, [ __ ] you just got mixed up now. I mean, [ __ ] you just got a love letter from my mother-in-law who a love letter from my mother-in-law who a love letter from my mother-in-law who hated you a year ago. You know what I hated you a year ago. You know what I hated you a year ago. You know what I mean? Every everybody's mixed up. I mean? Every everybody's mixed up. I mean? Every everybody's mixed up. I don't think anybody does. don't think anybody does. don't think anybody does. >> She wrote me a very nice letter. She's >> She wrote me a very nice letter. She's >> She wrote me a very nice letter. She's now a subscriber. [laughter] now a subscriber. [laughter] now a subscriber. [laughter] >> Uh, I thought she was ever going to talk >> Uh, I thought she was ever going to talk >> Uh, I thought she was ever going to talk to me when you wrote her a letter a year to me when you wrote her a letter a year to me when you wrote her a letter a year ago. ago. ago. >> I did. I I wrote it in Jess, but also, >> I did. I I wrote it in Jess, but also, >> I did. I I wrote it in Jess, but also, you know, from one uh Protestant to you know, from one uh Protestant to you know, from one uh Protestant to another. I thought, you know, I thought another. I thought, you know, I thought another. I thought, you know, I thought I could make a connection, but um I could make a connection, but um I could make a connection, but um anyway, anyway, anyway, >> and you [laughter] did. It's hilarious. >> and you [laughter] did. It's hilarious. >> and you [laughter] did. It's hilarious. She seems very sweet, actually. Um She seems very sweet, actually. Um She seems very sweet, actually. Um everything's so messed up now. That's everything's so messed up now. That's everything's so messed up now. That's right. Like, how would you describe your right. Like, how would you describe your right. Like, how would you describe your politics? Do you have politics or you're politics? Do you have politics or you're politics? Do you have politics or you're just not even interested anymore? just not even interested anymore? just not even interested anymore? >> I'm a Christian. >> I'm a Christian. >> I'm a Christian. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, my last question is like, what do So, my last question is like, what do So, my last question is like, what do you think? So, you know what's going on you think? So, you know what's going on you think? So, you know what's going on in your life. you've had and thank you in your life. you've had and thank you in your life. you've had and thank you for talking about it. I know it's like for talking about it. I know it's like for talking about it. I know it's like you're in the middle of it so it's hard you're in the middle of it so it's hard you're in the middle of it so it's hard to talk about it. Um but do you see it to talk about it. Um but do you see it to talk about it. Um but do you see it happening in other people?

happening in other people? happening in other people? Like do you think there's something Like do you think there's something Like do you think there's something bigger going on? bigger going on? bigger going on? >> Oh yeah. I I mean yes I do. >> Oh yeah. I I mean yes I do. >> Oh yeah. I I mean yes I do. >> I don't know what's real and what's not >> I don't know what's real and what's not >> I don't know what's real and what's not though. I think that there are people though. I think that there are people though. I think that there are people also that are also that are also that are you know coming to Christ who are like you know coming to Christ who are like you know coming to Christ who are like oh look what happened to that guy. you oh look what happened to that guy. you oh look what happened to that guy. you know what I mean with his view counts or know what I mean with his view counts or know what I mean with his view counts or what like it's like the thing to do now what like it's like the thing to do now what like it's like the thing to do now sometimes you know so I don't I don't sometimes you know so I don't I don't sometimes you know so I don't I don't know but yeah I I think that I think know but yeah I I think that I think know but yeah I I think that I think there's a wave of it happening I mean there's a wave of it happening I mean there's a wave of it happening I mean there's definitely a resurgence in the there's definitely a resurgence in the there's definitely a resurgence in the younger generations younger generations younger generations >> yes >> yes >> yes >> you know and and so that's really cool >> you know and and so that's really cool >> you know and and so that's really cool that's really cool to see it that's really cool to see it that's really cool to see it >> and you see that >> and you see that >> and you see that >> yeah I see it I see it I see >> yeah I see it I see it I see >> yeah I see it I see it I see when I go to church everybody's paying when I go to church everybody's paying when I go to church everybody's paying attention and I bounce around from all attention and I bounce around from all attention and I bounce around from all kinds of different church. kinds of different church. kinds of different church. >> This morning [clears throat] >> This morning [clears throat] >> This morning [clears throat] priest didn't show up out here. priest didn't show up out here. priest didn't show up out here. >> I should say [laughter] >> I should say [laughter] >> I should say [laughter] you texted me at 7:30 this morning. You you texted me at 7:30 this morning. You you texted me at 7:30 this morning. You want to go to church with me? want to go to church with me? want to go to church with me? >> This is the least Christian state out of >> This is the least Christian state out of >> This is the least Christian state out of 50. So there aren't many churches and uh 50. So there aren't many churches and uh 50. So there aren't many churches and uh active churches. But you decide Monday active churches. But you decide Monday active churches. But you decide Monday morning you're going to church.

morning you're going to church. morning you're going to church. >> I go three to four days a week now. >> I go three to four days a week now. >> I go three to four days a week now. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. I like to bring I I I I >> Yeah. I like to bring I I I I >> Yeah. I like to bring I I I I bring my 2-year-old and I then the next bring my 2-year-old and I then the next bring my 2-year-old and I then the next day I bring my four-year-old and after day I bring my four-year-old and after day I bring my four-year-old and after each time we go to mass I bring them to each time we go to mass I bring them to each time we go to mass I bring them to breakfast and we get some one-on-one breakfast and we get some one-on-one breakfast and we get some one-on-one time and then take him home and then I time and then take him home and then I time and then take him home and then I go to work. go to work. go to work. That's the best. It's awesome. I love That's the best. It's awesome. I love That's the best. It's awesome. I love it. And they're into it. it. And they're into it. it. And they're into it. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I remember bringing my two-year-olds to I remember bringing my two-year-olds to I remember bringing my two-year-olds to church and it was like a nightmare. church and it was like a nightmare. church and it was like a nightmare. Climbing on your head in the middle of Climbing on your head in the middle of Climbing on your head in the middle of communion. communion. communion. >> It will be if I bring them together, >> It will be if I bring them together, >> It will be if I bring them together, >> right? Oh, is that right? You split them >> right? Oh, is that right? You split them >> right? Oh, is that right? You split them up. That's smart. up. That's smart. up. That's smart. >> Yeah. One-on-one time with dad and they >> Yeah. One-on-one time with dad and they >> Yeah. One-on-one time with dad and they want to go. They ask me, "Can I go with want to go. They ask me, "Can I go with want to go. They ask me, "Can I go with you today?" And you today?" And you today?" And >> really, >> really, >> really, >> it's pretty cool. Yeah. We talk about >> it's pretty cool. Yeah. We talk about >> it's pretty cool. Yeah. We talk about communion. They ask about the special communion. They ask about the special communion. They ask about the special bread. bread. bread. It's pretty neat. It's pretty neat. It's pretty neat. And do people who you grew up with, who And do people who you grew up with, who And do people who you grew up with, who you talked to, your friends, guys you you talked to, your friends, guys you you talked to, your friends, guys you served with, are they thinking more served with, are they thinking more served with, are they thinking more about God than they do?

about God than they do? about God than they do? >> Oh, yeah. All of them. All of the, you >> Oh, yeah. All of them. All of the, you >> Oh, yeah. All of them. All of the, you know, you know what's really cool know, you know what's really cool know, you know what's really cool actually is um [clears throat] actually is um [clears throat] actually is um [clears throat] you know, uh you know, uh you know, uh you're addicted to the fight. I can see you're addicted to the fight. I can see you're addicted to the fight. I can see it. These guys are addicted to the it. These guys are addicted to the it. These guys are addicted to the fight. I'm addicted to the fight. A lot fight. I'm addicted to the fight. A lot fight. I'm addicted to the fight. A lot of these guys have fought for 30 plus of these guys have fought for 30 plus of these guys have fought for 30 plus years. And um like a guy like Tom years. And um like a guy like Tom years. And um like a guy like Tom Sadderly uh who I brought to the EL Sadderly uh who I brought to the EL Sadderly uh who I brought to the EL party with me party with me party with me >> and uh he was he was in Somalia, you >> and uh he was he was in Somalia, you >> and uh he was he was in Somalia, you know, when that whole thing went down know, when that whole thing went down know, when that whole thing went down and then the whole man amazing human. and then the whole man amazing human. and then the whole man amazing human. >> Yes. Amazing. >> Yes. Amazing. >> Yes. Amazing. >> All these guys are like, you know, >> All these guys are like, you know, >> All these guys are like, you know, addicted to the fight. Now they're man, addicted to the fight. Now they're man, addicted to the fight. Now they're man, there's just so many of us that are are there's just so many of us that are are there's just so many of us that are are diving into spiritual warfare and diving into spiritual warfare and diving into spiritual warfare and learning about it and and uh so that's learning about it and and uh so that's learning about it and and uh so that's that seems to be the new thing with my that seems to be the new thing with my that seems to be the new thing with my old community old community old community >> really. >> really. >> really. >> Yeah, it's pretty neat to see. >> Yeah, it's pretty neat to see. >> Yeah, it's pretty neat to see. >> I think of it as a guys who are act, you >> I think of it as a guys who are act, you >> I think of it as a guys who are act, you know, the real dork, you know, people know, the real dork, you know, people know, the real dork, you know, people are actually pulling the trigger. Pretty are actually pulling the trigger. Pretty are actually pulling the trigger. Pretty secular group, I always thought. Is that secular group, I always thought. Is that secular group, I always thought. Is that fair?

fair? fair? >> Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. But >> Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. But >> Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. But in these times, not so much. in these times, not so much. in these times, not so much. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you for talking about all this. >> Thank you for talking about all this. >> Thank you for talking about all this. >> My pleasure. >> My pleasure. >> My pleasure. >> I know it's painful, but I think it I >> I know it's painful, but I think it I >> I know it's painful, but I think it I think it's really inspiring. think it's really inspiring. think it's really inspiring. >> Thank you. Well, thanks for having me, >> Thank you. Well, thanks for having me, >> Thank you. Well, thanks for having me, man. man. man. >> Literally anytime. I >> Literally anytime. I >> Literally anytime. I >> love coming out here. >> love coming out here. >> love coming out here. >> I love having you, John Ryan. Thank you.