Darryl Cooper Iran Deep Dive: How the War Will Change America Forever, Nukes, Zionism, and Islam

Darl, thank you for doing this. I We Darl, thank you for doing this. I We must think of you every two weeks. We must think of you every two weeks. We must think of you every two weeks. We should call Daryl Cooper. So, but we try should call Daryl Cooper. So, but we try should call Daryl Cooper. So, but we try to keep it to once a year because you to keep it to once a year because you to keep it to once a year because you live so far away. And I'm just grateful live so far away. And I'm just grateful live so far away. And I'm just grateful you made this effort. And I just have to you made this effort. And I just have to you made this effort. And I just have to say, not because it simply because it say, not because it simply because it say, not because it simply because it vindicates me, but it's because it's vindicates me, but it's because it's vindicates me, but it's because it's such an amazing and wonderful fact that such an amazing and wonderful fact that such an amazing and wonderful fact that you actually are literally measurably you actually are literally measurably you actually are literally measurably America's most popular and important America's most popular and important America's most popular and important historian. just a fact [laughter] historian. just a fact [laughter] historian. just a fact [laughter] which is incredible and gives me hope which is incredible and gives me hope which is incredible and gives me hope because you do like fivehour podcasts on because you do like fivehour podcasts on because you do like fivehour podcasts on you know things that happened a hundred you know things that happened a hundred you know things that happened a hundred years ago in granular detail and you years ago in granular detail and you years ago in granular detail and you know there are a million and a half know there are a million and a half know there are a million and a half people listening to that it's like this people listening to that it's like this people listening to that it's like this country is not lost so anyway thank you country is not lost so anyway thank you country is not lost so anyway thank you so much so much so much >> always a pleasure >> always a pleasure >> always a pleasure >> we were uh speaking at breakfast about >> we were uh speaking at breakfast about >> we were uh speaking at breakfast about how the Iran war started and you were how the Iran war started and you were how the Iran war started and you were putting it within the context of how putting it within the context of how putting it within the context of how western nations European nations fight western nations European nations fight western nations European nations fight wars wars wars historically and why this was different. historically and why this was different. historically and why this was different. Can you Can you Can you recap what you were just saying? recap what you were just saying? recap what you were just saying? >> Sure. I mean, I think that when you look >> Sure. I mean, I think that when you look >> Sure. I mean, I think that when you look back at the period of limited warfare in back at the period of limited warfare in back at the period of limited warfare in the 18th and uh first half of the 19th the 18th and uh first half of the 19th the 18th and uh first half of the 19th century, we that was really one of the century, we that was really one of the century, we that was really one of the pinnacles of not just our civilization pinnacles of not just our civilization pinnacles of not just our civilization but human civilization in general. You but human civilization in general. You but human civilization in general. You know, war is something that uh is know, war is something that uh is know, war is something that uh is sometimes necessary. Sometimes interests sometimes necessary. Sometimes interests sometimes necessary. Sometimes interests conflict and you have to fight over it.

conflict and you have to fight over it. conflict and you have to fight over it. But to be able to arrive at a place But to be able to arrive at a place But to be able to arrive at a place where you can treat your enemy with where you can treat your enemy with where you can treat your enemy with respect even in defeat, respect even in defeat, respect even in defeat, >> um is really an amazing accomplishment. >> um is really an amazing accomplishment. >> um is really an amazing accomplishment. And you start to see the breakdown of And you start to see the breakdown of And you start to see the breakdown of that over the course of the 20th that over the course of the 20th that over the course of the 20th century, of course, the first world war. century, of course, the first world war. century, of course, the first world war. Uh but even still there was a sense of Uh but even still there was a sense of Uh but even still there was a sense of you know what's the what's the saying you know what's the what's the saying you know what's the what's the saying that um hypocrisy is the tribute that that um hypocrisy is the tribute that that um hypocrisy is the tribute that virtue pays device right virtue pays device right virtue pays device right >> um we still had to pretend you know we >> um we still had to pretend you know we >> um we still had to pretend you know we still had to come up with stories to still had to come up with stories to still had to come up with stories to tell ourselves so that we could go to tell ourselves so that we could go to tell ourselves so that we could go to sleep at night we hadn't given up on sleep at night we hadn't given up on sleep at night we hadn't given up on those values completely those values completely those values completely >> and what are the values >> and what are the values >> and what are the values >> fair play >> fair play >> fair play >> yes >> yes >> yes >> uh the idea that even somebody who uh >> uh the idea that even somebody who uh >> uh the idea that even somebody who uh you have to put bullets down range at is you have to put bullets down range at is you have to put bullets down range at is a human being uh and deserves to be a human being uh and deserves to be a human being uh and deserves to be treated as a as a creature of God. Um treated as a as a creature of God. Um treated as a as a creature of God. Um these are things that became very deeply these are things that became very deeply these are things that became very deeply embedded uh in our social consciousness embedded uh in our social consciousness embedded uh in our social consciousness and and as individuals as well. So that and and as individuals as well. So that and and as individuals as well. So that again even as as those values started to again even as as those values started to again even as as those values started to fade in practice, we still held on to fade in practice, we still held on to fade in practice, we still held on to them in our hearts. And I think a lot of them in our hearts. And I think a lot of them in our hearts. And I think a lot of people today people today people today or well I I should say maybe a few years or well I I should say maybe a few years or well I I should say maybe a few years back just a few years ago uh if you talk back just a few years ago uh if you talk back just a few years ago uh if you talk to your average uh American soldier in to your average uh American soldier in to your average uh American soldier in Iraq for example well this is actually Iraq for example well this is actually Iraq for example well this is actually that's a perfect example if you look at that's a perfect example if you look at that's a perfect example if you look at Iraq I I I have a lot of anti-war Iraq I I I have a lot of anti-war Iraq I I I have a lot of anti-war libertarian type friends you know and libertarian type friends you know and libertarian type friends you know and they're very strident in their views

they're very strident in their views they're very strident in their views sometimes of American militarism and I sometimes of American militarism and I sometimes of American militarism and I always tell them like look when you always tell them like look when you always tell them like look when you compare compare compare there were incidents in the Iraq war, no there were incidents in the Iraq war, no there were incidents in the Iraq war, no doubt about it, in the Afghanistan war doubt about it, in the Afghanistan war doubt about it, in the Afghanistan war where soldiers got out of hand. But when where soldiers got out of hand. But when where soldiers got out of hand. But when you compare their behavior, the level of you compare their behavior, the level of you compare their behavior, the level of discipline and honor that they displayed discipline and honor that they displayed discipline and honor that they displayed in those wars relative to any previous in those wars relative to any previous in those wars relative to any previous conflict in American history or world conflict in American history or world conflict in American history or world history probably, let alone history probably, let alone history probably, let alone uh in a really vicious insurgency like uh in a really vicious insurgency like uh in a really vicious insurgency like they were fighting. This was not a they were fighting. This was not a they were fighting. This was not a conventional war. or was you, especially conventional war. or was you, especially conventional war. or was you, especially in Iraq, the enemy was in Iraq, the enemy was in Iraq, the enemy was vicious on a level that is uh, you know, vicious on a level that is uh, you know, vicious on a level that is uh, you know, hard for most people, I think, in our hard for most people, I think, in our hard for most people, I think, in our society to really even believe. And yet society to really even believe. And yet society to really even believe. And yet our guys continued to treat the people our guys continued to treat the people our guys continued to treat the people that they were uh who were under that they were uh who were under that they were uh who were under occupation with dignity and respect by occupation with dignity and respect by occupation with dignity and respect by and large. And they really did have the and large. And they really did have the and large. And they really did have the idea that they were there to try to help idea that they were there to try to help idea that they were there to try to help these people and to free them from this. these people and to free them from this. these people and to free them from this. You know, again, whether we agree with You know, again, whether we agree with You know, again, whether we agree with that or not, they they believe that. And that or not, they they believe that. And that or not, they they believe that. And if they hadn't believed that, they would if they hadn't believed that, they would if they hadn't believed that, they would not have been as willing to to risk not have been as willing to to risk not have been as willing to to risk themselves and their friends the way themselves and their friends the way themselves and their friends the way that they did. I mean, we took a lot of that they did. I mean, we took a lot of that they did. I mean, we took a lot of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan because we refused to do certain things because we refused to do certain things because we refused to do certain things that we could have done much easier. Um, that we could have done much easier. Um, that we could have done much easier. Um, we could have done in ways that would we could have done in ways that would we could have done in ways that would have killed a lot more of their have killed a lot more of their have killed a lot more of their civilians or preserved a few of our civilians or preserved a few of our civilians or preserved a few of our soldiers lives.

soldiers lives. soldiers lives. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And we chose not to do that. And that, >> And we chose not to do that. And that, >> And we chose not to do that. And that, you know, it's unfortunate because over you know, it's unfortunate because over you know, it's unfortunate because over the course of the war on terror and I the course of the war on terror and I the course of the war on terror and I think largely think largely think largely in more recent years due to our in more recent years due to our in more recent years due to our our our just compulsive need uh of our our our just compulsive need uh of our our our just compulsive need uh of our in our political discourse to find ways in our political discourse to find ways in our political discourse to find ways to rationalize everything that we see to rationalize everything that we see to rationalize everything that we see the state of Israel do. Um it's forced the state of Israel do. Um it's forced the state of Israel do. Um it's forced us to really compromise on a lot of us to really compromise on a lot of us to really compromise on a lot of those values because there's just if you those values because there's just if you those values because there's just if you don't compromise on them then you have don't compromise on them then you have don't compromise on them then you have to condemn what's going on in Gaza. to condemn what's going on in Gaza. to condemn what's going on in Gaza. Right. Right. Right. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> And and so we've lost a lot of that over >> And and so we've lost a lot of that over >> And and so we've lost a lot of that over the course of the last few decades. the course of the last few decades. the course of the last few decades. We've been poisoned and polluted by it. We've been poisoned and polluted by it. We've been poisoned and polluted by it. I had this dark thought um I had this dark thought um I had this dark thought um [clears throat] I think I mentioned this [clears throat] I think I mentioned this [clears throat] I think I mentioned this to uh our friend Scott Horton a while to uh our friend Scott Horton a while to uh our friend Scott Horton a while back how you know back in 2004 when Abu back how you know back in 2004 when Abu back how you know back in 2004 when Abu Grae happened or when the when the Grae happened or when the when the Grae happened or when the when the photos came out photos came out photos came out you know again I don't want to downplay you know again I don't want to downplay you know again I don't want to downplay it was a very dark chapter obviously um it was a very dark chapter obviously um it was a very dark chapter obviously um but it wasn't Saddam [clears throat] but it wasn't Saddam [clears throat] but it wasn't Saddam [clears throat] Hussein power saws and you know uh Hussein power saws and you know uh Hussein power saws and you know uh screwdrivers in the eyeball kind of screwdrivers in the eyeball kind of screwdrivers in the eyeball kind of torture it was sort of more of a more of torture it was sort of more of a more of torture it was sort of more of a more of a psycho a psycho a psycho Its severity was was less than a lot of Its severity was was less than a lot of Its severity was was less than a lot of things that happened in the world.

things that happened in the world. things that happened in the world. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And yet people saw those photos and they >> And yet people saw those photos and they >> And yet people saw those photos and they were horrified by them. And they weren't were horrified by them. And they weren't were horrified by them. And they weren't just horrified by look what we're doing just horrified by look what we're doing just horrified by look what we're doing to those people. They asked themselves to those people. They asked themselves to those people. They asked themselves what are we doing to our own people what are we doing to our own people what are we doing to our own people here? Like what are we making our kids here? Like what are we making our kids here? Like what are we making our kids do in this place? What is happening do in this place? What is happening do in this place? What is happening here? And nowadays here? And nowadays here? And nowadays I don't know if people would blink if I don't know if people would blink if I don't know if people would blink if they saw something like that. I mean, they saw something like that. I mean, they saw something like that. I mean, they do see something like that on a they do see something like that on a they do see something like that on a weekly basis come out of Gaza, often weekly basis come out of Gaza, often weekly basis come out of Gaza, often posted by, you know, Israeli soldiers posted by, you know, Israeli soldiers posted by, you know, Israeli soldiers themselves. And people have to find a themselves. And people have to find a themselves. And people have to find a way, it seems, they have to find a way way, it seems, they have to find a way way, it seems, they have to find a way to rationalize and justify that stuff. to rationalize and justify that stuff. to rationalize and justify that stuff. And so to do that, they've compromised And so to do that, they've compromised And so to do that, they've compromised their own most deeply held beliefs about their own most deeply held beliefs about their own most deeply held beliefs about um about what it means to be a civilized um about what it means to be a civilized um about what it means to be a civilized person. And so when we go into Iran, person. And so when we go into Iran, person. And so when we go into Iran, I I'll never forget when uh Donald Trump I I'll never forget when uh Donald Trump I I'll never forget when uh Donald Trump was entertaining the prime minister of was entertaining the prime minister of was entertaining the prime minister of Japan and he mentioned, you know, the Japan and he mentioned, you know, the Japan and he mentioned, you know, the secrecy and the sneak attack that we secrecy and the sneak attack that we secrecy and the sneak attack that we started the Iran war off with and he started the Iran war off with and he started the Iran war off with and he kind of made that sly joke about you kind of made that sly joke about you kind of made that sly joke about you guys understand that sneak attacks, guys understand that sneak attacks, guys understand that sneak attacks, right? And I mean for the president of right? And I mean for the president of right? And I mean for the president of the United States to compare the way we the United States to compare the way we the United States to compare the way we just correctly in my view compare the just correctly in my view compare the just correctly in my view compare the way we began this war to the day that way we began this war to the day that way we began this war to the day that shall live in infamy shall live in infamy shall live in infamy and to think back, you know, to the to and to think back, you know, to the to and to think back, you know, to the to the to the to Pearl Harbor and and how the to the to Pearl Harbor and and how the to the to Pearl Harbor and and how they felt about that at the time, how we they felt about that at the time, how we they felt about that at the time, how we still feel about it now. And then if you still feel about it now. And then if you still feel about it now. And then if you imagine that the Pearl that that the imagine that the Pearl that that the imagine that the Pearl that that the attackers at Pearl Harbor had just attackers at Pearl Harbor had just attackers at Pearl Harbor had just happened to blow up a school full of happened to blow up a school full of happened to blow up a school full of little girls, I mean, it would be on little girls, I mean, it would be on little girls, I mean, it would be on page one of every history book that

page one of every history book that page one of every history book that talked about that incident to this day, talked about that incident to this day, talked about that incident to this day, right? It was some because it's right? It was some because it's right? It was some because it's something that offends our basic sense something that offends our basic sense something that offends our basic sense of decency and honor. You you you don't of decency and honor. You you you don't of decency and honor. You you you don't launch a sneak attack in the middle of launch a sneak attack in the middle of launch a sneak attack in the middle of negotiations. That's just not the way negotiations. That's just not the way negotiations. That's just not the way uh European civilization has has uh European civilization has has uh European civilization has has conditioned itself to behave over the conditioned itself to behave over the conditioned itself to behave over the years. But we've compromised that stuff years. But we've compromised that stuff years. But we've compromised that stuff in very recent years, I think, um to the in very recent years, I think, um to the in very recent years, I think, um to the point where the cognitive dissonance point where the cognitive dissonance point where the cognitive dissonance became so great that we either had to became so great that we either had to became so great that we either had to change our ways or we had to just give change our ways or we had to just give change our ways or we had to just give up on certain values. And I up on certain values. And I up on certain values. And I unfortunately think that, you know, unfortunately think that, you know, unfortunately think that, you know, we've we've uh at least our political we've we've uh at least our political we've we've uh at least our political class has has gone the wrong direction class has has gone the wrong direction class has has gone the wrong direction on that. you know, our guys out there, on that. you know, our guys out there, on that. you know, our guys out there, our soldiers and marines, our soldiers and marines, our soldiers and marines, they're, you know, it's always tough for they're, you know, it's always tough for they're, you know, it's always tough for me because like I I don't like a lot of me because like I I don't like a lot of me because like I I don't like a lot of the actions that they're forced to take the actions that they're forced to take the actions that they're forced to take overseas in service of things that I overseas in service of things that I overseas in service of things that I think are beneath them. Um, and yet I think are beneath them. Um, and yet I think are beneath them. Um, and yet I know from personal experience that the know from personal experience that the know from personal experience that the guys themselves, those are our best guys themselves, those are our best guys themselves, those are our best people. And they're often criticized by people. And they're often criticized by people. And they're often criticized by people who are not fit to tie their boot people who are not fit to tie their boot people who are not fit to tie their boot laces. I agree. you know, and um and laces. I agree. you know, and um and laces. I agree. you know, and um and those guys, if you give them a good those guys, if you give them a good those guys, if you give them a good reason, they will go fight. They will reason, they will go fight. They will reason, they will go fight. They will they will risk their own life they will risk their own life they will risk their own life unnecessarily to avoid unnecessarily to avoid unnecessarily to avoid the possibility of harming an enemy the possibility of harming an enemy the possibility of harming an enemy civilian. That's who these guys are. But civilian. That's who these guys are. But civilian. That's who these guys are. But when you remove that sense of honor, you when you remove that sense of honor, you when you remove that sense of honor, you know, that's been on every recruiting ad know, that's been on every recruiting ad know, that's been on every recruiting ad and recruiting poster going back as far and recruiting poster going back as far and recruiting poster going back as far as you can imagine. When you tell them

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world history, right? world history, right? >> Is there any evidence that's ever >> Is there any evidence that's ever >> Is there any evidence that's ever happened before at any time ever? happened before at any time ever? happened before at any time ever? you outside of European civilization, it you outside of European civilization, it you outside of European civilization, it would be really hard to really hard to would be really hard to really hard to would be really hard to really hard to think of any examples think of any examples think of any examples >> because traditionally when I'm at war >> because traditionally when I'm at war >> because traditionally when I'm at war with you, I get to torture you to death, with you, I get to torture you to death, with you, I get to torture you to death, enslave your children, rape your wife, enslave your children, rape your wife, enslave your children, rape your wife, burn your field, slay your livestock, burn your field, slay your livestock, burn your field, slay your livestock, like with literally whatever I want. I like with literally whatever I want. I like with literally whatever I want. I own you. You're not human, own you. You're not human, own you. You're not human, >> right? And you know that's something >> right? And you know that's something >> right? And you know that's something that only emerges uh under conditions of that only emerges uh under conditions of that only emerges uh under conditions of uh under under conditions of strong uh under under conditions of strong uh under under conditions of strong organization leadership um organization leadership um organization leadership um [clears throat] internal internal [clears throat] internal internal [clears throat] internal internal discipline and really just the the discipline and really just the the discipline and really just the the organizational aspect of it. Right? You organizational aspect of it. Right? You organizational aspect of it. Right? You look at World War I for example, look at World War I for example, look at World War I for example, absolutely savage war where we were absolutely savage war where we were absolutely savage war where we were spraying cans of raid at enemy lines spraying cans of raid at enemy lines spraying cans of raid at enemy lines just to choke people to death with just to choke people to death with just to choke people to death with gases. horrible, horrible gases. horrible, horrible gases. horrible, horrible exterminationist war, but one that was exterminationist war, but one that was exterminationist war, but one that was almost entirely restricted to enemy almost entirely restricted to enemy almost entirely restricted to enemy soldiers. And when soldiers were taken soldiers. And when soldiers were taken soldiers. And when soldiers were taken captive, they were treated with dignity captive, they were treated with dignity captive, they were treated with dignity and respect um by all sides, by the way.

and respect um by all sides, by the way. and respect um by all sides, by the way. Um and when you see in Eastern and Um and when you see in Eastern and Um and when you see in Eastern and Central Europe immediately after the Central Europe immediately after the Central Europe immediately after the war, same people who just fought this uh war, same people who just fought this uh war, same people who just fought this uh relatively organized, relatively relatively organized, relatively relatively organized, relatively disciplined war uh from 1914 to 1918 disciplined war uh from 1914 to 1918 disciplined war uh from 1914 to 1918 when all the empires broke down and the when all the empires broke down and the when all the empires broke down and the states fell apart and organization went states fell apart and organization went states fell apart and organization went away. um you saw a descent into chaos away. um you saw a descent into chaos away. um you saw a descent into chaos and madness that's uh straight out of and madness that's uh straight out of and madness that's uh straight out of you know ancient history books where you you know ancient history books where you you know ancient history books where you know wars became exterminationist know wars became exterminationist know wars became exterminationist to entire societies where the goal was to entire societies where the goal was to entire societies where the goal was to wipe people out and push them out and to wipe people out and push them out and to wipe people out and push them out and these were the same people who were these were the same people who were these were the same people who were fighting the warer relative fighting the warer relative fighting the warer relative >> celebrating Christmas across the >> celebrating Christmas across the >> celebrating Christmas across the trenches famously trenches famously trenches famously >> right I mean that was western front guys >> right I mean that was western front guys >> right I mean that was western front guys but like on the eastern you know because but like on the eastern you know because but like on the eastern you know because it was in the states specifically where it was in the states specifically where it was in the states specifically where uh everything fell apart where the I uh everything fell apart where the I uh everything fell apart where the I mean just this is something that I've mean just this is something that I've mean just this is something that I've really been trying to convey in my World really been trying to convey in my World really been trying to convey in my World War II series right now because it's I War II series right now because it's I War II series right now because it's I think very difficult for most Westerners think very difficult for most Westerners think very difficult for most Westerners to really picture the the trauma that to really picture the the trauma that to really picture the the trauma that this would cause. I mean, when I was this would cause. I mean, when I was this would cause. I mean, when I was talking to um my friend Jaco a while talking to um my friend Jaco a while talking to um my friend Jaco a while back and he was describing how they'd be back and he was describing how they'd be back and he was describing how they'd be fighting in Ramani and it's just a fighting in Ramani and it's just a fighting in Ramani and it's just a insane gun battle, motors going off, insane gun battle, motors going off, insane gun battle, motors going off, explosions, gunshots going everywhere explosions, gunshots going everywhere explosions, gunshots going everywhere and so they would kick down a door, take and so they would kick down a door, take and so they would kick down a door, take cover inside of a building and it's cover inside of a building and it's cover inside of a building and it's somebody's house and like there's the somebody's house and like there's the somebody's house and like there's the wife and the kids are hiding under the wife and the kids are hiding under the wife and the kids are hiding under the table and like that's what's going on.

table and like that's what's going on. table and like that's what's going on. You have this flash of like, oh wow, You have this flash of like, oh wow, You have this flash of like, oh wow, this is happening outside somebody's this is happening outside somebody's this is happening outside somebody's front door, you know? And so back after front door, you know? And so back after front door, you know? And so back after the first world war when the German the first world war when the German the first world war when the German empire, the Austrohungarian Empire and empire, the Austrohungarian Empire and empire, the Austrohungarian Empire and the Russian Empire. So basically the Russian Empire. So basically the Russian Empire. So basically everywhere from the Rine to Vladvastto, everywhere from the Rine to Vladvastto, everywhere from the Rine to Vladvastto, the government just disappeared. All of the government just disappeared. All of the government just disappeared. All of them in the in the course of about 18 them in the in the course of about 18 them in the in the course of about 18 months or so. Uh all the governments months or so. Uh all the governments months or so. Uh all the governments disappeared. There's no police to call. disappeared. There's no police to call. disappeared. There's no police to call. There's no government to expect to come There's no government to expect to come There's no government to expect to come in and enforce order of any kind. you in and enforce order of any kind. you in and enforce order of any kind. you really saw a complete uh descent into um really saw a complete uh descent into um really saw a complete uh descent into um primitive sort of human tendencies as primitive sort of human tendencies as primitive sort of human tendencies as people started to really focus on their people started to really focus on their people started to really focus on their immediate survival as opposed to, you immediate survival as opposed to, you immediate survival as opposed to, you know, um things that we would associate know, um things that we would associate know, um things that we would associate with civilization. Meaning that, you with civilization. Meaning that, you with civilization. Meaning that, you know, uh the the idea that you're living know, uh the the idea that you're living know, uh the the idea that you're living historically and are are part of a a historically and are are part of a a historically and are are part of a a chain of being that stretches out long chain of being that stretches out long chain of being that stretches out long before you were born and will continue before you were born and will continue before you were born and will continue long after you're dead. And there's long after you're dead. And there's long after you're dead. And there's certain um there's certain things that certain um there's certain things that certain um there's certain things that you're expected to uphold as you you're expected to uphold as you you're expected to uphold as you steward, you know, through these 70 or steward, you know, through these 70 or steward, you know, through these 70 or 80 years of your existence. Uh when it's 80 years of your existence. Uh when it's 80 years of your existence. Uh when it's your turn to steward your civilization, your turn to steward your civilization, your turn to steward your civilization, there's certain things that you're there's certain things that you're there's certain things that you're expected to uphold and make sure that expected to uphold and make sure that expected to uphold and make sure that the next generation inherits them just the next generation inherits them just the next generation inherits them just as you inherited them. [clears throat] as you inherited them. [clears throat] as you inherited them. [clears throat] When all that falls apart and your time When all that falls apart and your time When all that falls apart and your time horizon collapses to this afternoon horizon collapses to this afternoon horizon collapses to this afternoon because you're looking at your kids and because you're looking at your kids and because you're looking at your kids and there's no food and they're hungry and there's no food and they're hungry and there's no food and they're hungry and they're, you know, bellies are bulging they're, you know, bellies are bulging they're, you know, bellies are bulging and their cheeks are sunken in. Uh and their cheeks are sunken in. Uh and their cheeks are sunken in. Uh there's not going to be anything on your there's not going to be anything on your there's not going to be anything on your mind except for how do I feed my mind except for how do I feed my mind except for how do I feed my children? And when people uh when when

children? And when people uh when when children? And when people uh when when people's horizon shrinks down to that people's horizon shrinks down to that people's horizon shrinks down to that level, become something very close to level, become something very close to level, become something very close to animals. And that's what you that's what animals. And that's what you that's what animals. And that's what you that's what you saw happen immediately after the you saw happen immediately after the you saw happen immediately after the first world war in a lot of Eastern first world war in a lot of Eastern first world war in a lot of Eastern central Europe. And so um this is central Europe. And so um this is central Europe. And so um this is something that you know from from a something that you know from from a something that you know from from a basic level you see you know you can basic level you see you know you can basic level you see you know you can think of a lot of things like this where think of a lot of things like this where think of a lot of things like this where um if you're the only person behaving um if you're the only person behaving um if you're the only person behaving this way then it really makes no sense this way then it really makes no sense this way then it really makes no sense and you're just going to end up nailed and you're just going to end up nailed and you're just going to end up nailed to a cross. Like that's what's going to to a cross. Like that's what's going to to a cross. Like that's what's going to happen to you. Um, but if everybody can happen to you. Um, but if everybody can happen to you. Um, but if everybody can come around and embrace these values and come around and embrace these values and come around and embrace these values and basically behave this way, then it's basically behave this way, then it's basically behave this way, then it's much much better for everybody. And when much much better for everybody. And when much much better for everybody. And when you're able to achieve that, when you're you're able to achieve that, when you're you're able to achieve that, when you're able to get to a place where because able to get to a place where because able to get to a place where because America had a reputation, it's not America had a reputation, it's not America had a reputation, it's not perfect, especially, you know, in um, perfect, especially, you know, in um, perfect, especially, you know, in um, you know, what we used to call the third you know, what we used to call the third you know, what we used to call the third world, but you know, had a reputation world, but you know, had a reputation world, but you know, had a reputation that that that we might get carried away in a in a in a we might get carried away in a in a in a we might get carried away in a in a in a counterinsurgency. today. We may in um a counterinsurgency. today. We may in um a counterinsurgency. today. We may in um a total war like the Second World War get, total war like the Second World War get, total war like the Second World War get, you know, drive ourselves to the point you know, drive ourselves to the point you know, drive ourselves to the point that we're firebombing cities, but there that we're firebombing cities, but there that we're firebombing cities, but there are still certain basic rules of are still certain basic rules of are still certain basic rules of fairness like you don't start a war of fairness like you don't start a war of fairness like you don't start a war of aggression with a sneak attack in the aggression with a sneak attack in the aggression with a sneak attack in the middle of negotiations that people would middle of negotiations that people would middle of negotiations that people would have said, "Yeah, but America wouldn't have said, "Yeah, but America wouldn't have said, "Yeah, but America wouldn't do that. Even our enemies would have do that. Even our enemies would have do that. Even our enemies would have said that." And when you have achieved said that." And when you have achieved said that." And when you have achieved that, when you've gotten to a place that, when you've gotten to a place that, when you've gotten to a place where that really is true of your where that really is true of your where that really is true of your people, that's something that you really people, that's something that you really people, that's something that you really have to hold on to because the minute

have to hold on to because the minute have to hold on to because the minute you let go of it, you let go of that you let go of it, you let go of that you let go of it, you let go of that bar, that ledge, you start falling down bar, that ledge, you start falling down bar, that ledge, you start falling down into that very dark place. And the way you understand yourself And the way you understand yourself changes, changes, changes, which is, you know, I'm not saying it's which is, you know, I'm not saying it's which is, you know, I'm not saying it's the most important thing. How you treat the most important thing. How you treat the most important thing. How you treat other people is the most important other people is the most important other people is the most important thing. However, it's not unimportant how thing. However, it's not unimportant how thing. However, it's not unimportant how you see yourself. Like, I'm the sort of you see yourself. Like, I'm the sort of you see yourself. Like, I'm the sort of man who will do this. on the sort of man man who will do this. on the sort of man man who will do this. on the sort of man who will refuse to do that and I think who will refuse to do that and I think who will refuse to do that and I think that's that's that's that's the idea from which self-respect that's the idea from which self-respect that's the idea from which self-respect and dignity grows right like and dignity grows right like and dignity grows right like >> right and our civilization is you know >> right and our civilization is you know >> right and our civilization is you know emergent from our collective quality in emergent from our collective quality in emergent from our collective quality in that sense you know how how individuals that sense you know how how individuals that sense you know how how individuals see themselves you know the sum of all see themselves you know the sum of all see themselves you know the sum of all those uh self-perceptions adds up to um those uh self-perceptions adds up to um those uh self-perceptions adds up to um you know to to a society and a you know to to a society and a you know to to a society and a civilization eventually and the civilization eventually and the civilization eventually and the direction that it's going to take And direction that it's going to take And direction that it's going to take And when you when you stop when you when you stop when you when you stop when you stop seeing and treating when you stop seeing and treating when you stop seeing and treating people you're in conflict with as human people you're in conflict with as human people you're in conflict with as human beings and see them just purely as a beings and see them just purely as a beings and see them just purely as a material obstacle to whatever whatever material obstacle to whatever whatever material obstacle to whatever whatever goal you've set for yourself. Um you goal you've set for yourself. Um you goal you've set for yourself. Um you know you're you're you're handing the know you're you're you're handing the know you're you're you're handing the reigns over to Satan at that point. I so reigns over to Satan at that point. I so reigns over to Satan at that point. I so strongly agree the most distressing part strongly agree the most distressing part strongly agree the most distressing part of all of this I had the same thoughts of all of this I had the same thoughts of all of this I had the same thoughts when this war started. It's hard to when this war started. It's hard to when this war started. It's hard to believe that. In fact, I I couldn't believe that. In fact, I I couldn't believe that. In fact, I I couldn't believe we did that or when we believe we did that or when we believe we did that or when we doubletapped the girl school. Even now, doubletapped the girl school. Even now, doubletapped the girl school. Even now, it's hard to believe that could have it's hard to believe that could have it's hard to believe that could have been intentional. But the unwillingness been intentional. But the unwillingness been intentional. But the unwillingness of the Secretary of War uh or the

of the Secretary of War uh or the of the Secretary of War uh or the president to apologize for it, they've president to apologize for it, they've president to apologize for it, they've never apologized for it. Um never apologized for it. Um never apologized for it. Um uh you know, suggest that uh you know, suggest that uh you know, suggest that >> and at first trying to deny that it was >> and at first trying to deny that it was >> and at first trying to deny that it was us. I mean, it's just like I if I was us. I mean, it's just like I if I was us. I mean, it's just like I if I was the emperor of the United States and I the emperor of the United States and I the emperor of the United States and I could Yeah, you'd have to be the emperor could Yeah, you'd have to be the emperor could Yeah, you'd have to be the emperor because if you're an elected official, because if you're an elected official, because if you're an elected official, our system just doesn't it's not it's our system just doesn't it's not it's our system just doesn't it's not it's not built to incentivize this kind of not built to incentivize this kind of not built to incentivize this kind of behavior. Um, you could stay at war with behavior. Um, you could stay at war with behavior. Um, you could stay at war with Iran, fine. If there are reasons to be Iran, fine. If there are reasons to be Iran, fine. If there are reasons to be at war, I would offer restitution to the at war, I would offer restitution to the at war, I would offer restitution to the families of those girls. families of those girls. families of those girls. >> In the middle of the war, I would do it. >> In the middle of the war, I would do it. >> In the middle of the war, I would do it. And I think that that kind of thing goes And I think that that kind of thing goes And I think that that kind of thing goes a long way. a long way. a long way. >> But what's so distressing is not just >> But what's so distressing is not just >> But what's so distressing is not just that like Trump did this. Well, that like Trump did this. Well, that like Trump did this. Well, obviously Trump is totally degraded as a obviously Trump is totally degraded as a obviously Trump is totally degraded as a person that's widely known, but there person that's widely known, but there person that's widely known, but there was no kind of popular reaction against was no kind of popular reaction against was no kind of popular reaction against it. There were no protests. There were it. There were no protests. There were it. There were no protests. There were zero anti-war protests or zero zero anti-war protests or zero zero anti-war protests or zero anti-doubletapping girl school protests. anti-doubletapping girl school protests. anti-doubletapping girl school protests. There were almost no commentary in the There were almost no commentary in the There were almost no commentary in the fact it was it was a Pearl Harbor that fact it was it was a Pearl Harbor that fact it was it was a Pearl Harbor that we committed. we committed. we committed. >> Yeah. I would think about, you know, I >> Yeah. I would think about, you know, I >> Yeah. I would think about, you know, I think about this a lot. One time when I think about this a lot. One time when I think about this a lot. One time when I was still with the DoD, I was out uh was still with the DoD, I was out uh was still with the DoD, I was out uh training a ship's crew on their on their training a ship's crew on their on their training a ship's crew on their on their missile defense uh system and or their missile defense uh system and or their missile defense uh system and or their air defense system. This was maybe it air defense system. This was maybe it air defense system. This was maybe it must have been 20 must have been 20 must have been 20 or early 2020 just before CO because it or early 2020 just before CO because it or early 2020 just before CO because it was an everybody's talking about the was an everybody's talking about the was an everybody's talking about the election that was coming up. And I election that was coming up. And I election that was coming up. And I remember uh one of the kids on the ship remember uh one of the kids on the ship remember uh one of the kids on the ship was 17 years old. You know, his parents was 17 years old. You know, his parents was 17 years old. You know, his parents had to sign on the dotted line to let had to sign on the dotted line to let had to sign on the dotted line to let him uh get in at under 18 years old.

him uh get in at under 18 years old. him uh get in at under 18 years old. that hit me. This kid wasn't alive when that hit me. This kid wasn't alive when that hit me. This kid wasn't alive when 9/11 happened, which means for his 9/11 happened, which means for his 9/11 happened, which means for his entire life. And I mean, the people who entire life. And I mean, the people who entire life. And I mean, the people who are going to go out and protest, these are going to go out and protest, these are going to go out and protest, these are 17, 25 year olds traditionally, are 17, 25 year olds traditionally, are 17, 25 year olds traditionally, right? All of that entire generation, right? All of that entire generation, right? All of that entire generation, we've been doing this stuff since as we've been doing this stuff since as we've been doing this stuff since as long as they can remember. You know, Abu long as they can remember. You know, Abu long as they can remember. You know, Abu Gra, they probably it was that was Gra, they probably it was that was Gra, they probably it was that was something they learned about in a something they learned about in a something they learned about in a history class because that was something history class because that was something history class because that was something that was, you know, they were three or that was, you know, they were three or that was, you know, they were three or four years old. And so, we've been at four years old. And so, we've been at four years old. And so, we've been at war. And you know this is one of the one war. And you know this is one of the one war. And you know this is one of the one of the real issues with prolonged of the real issues with prolonged of the real issues with prolonged protracted war is the degradation of the protracted war is the degradation of the protracted war is the degradation of the spirit of the societies that are engaged spirit of the societies that are engaged spirit of the societies that are engaged in it. You know if you look at any in it. You know if you look at any in it. You know if you look at any conflict that's been really longunning. conflict that's been really longunning. conflict that's been really longunning. The Israelis and the Palestinians or the The Israelis and the Palestinians or the The Israelis and the Palestinians or the Israelis in the you know the surrounding Israelis in the you know the surrounding Israelis in the you know the surrounding region in general. Uh the Balkan wars region in general. Uh the Balkan wars region in general. Uh the Balkan wars for example go to the Balkans today you for example go to the Balkans today you for example go to the Balkans today you meet Serbs. My great-grandmother was meet Serbs. My great-grandmother was meet Serbs. My great-grandmother was from Serbia. You go meet them. They're from Serbia. You go meet them. They're from Serbia. You go meet them. They're not they're just Europeans. They're not they're just Europeans. They're not they're just Europeans. They're fine. It was not that long ago that they fine. It was not that long ago that they fine. It was not that long ago that they were fighting an absolutely savage war. were fighting an absolutely savage war. were fighting an absolutely savage war. I mean, at the bottom level of uh, you I mean, at the bottom level of uh, you I mean, at the bottom level of uh, you know, of human conflict. And you say, know, of human conflict. And you say, know, of human conflict. And you say, well, how is this even possible? It's well, how is this even possible? It's well, how is this even possible? It's like, well, because when you're engaged like, well, because when you're engaged like, well, because when you're engaged in a conflict for that long, you know, in a conflict for that long, you know, in a conflict for that long, you know, you're fighting a conflict your parents you're fighting a conflict your parents you're fighting a conflict your parents were fighting and their parents might were fighting and their parents might were fighting and their parents might have been fighting. um that the the the have been fighting. um that the the the have been fighting. um that the the the hatred that is necessary to keep a hatred that is necessary to keep a hatred that is necessary to keep a conflict like that going over time. It conflict like that going over time. It conflict like that going over time. It just it comes to define who you are in just it comes to define who you are in just it comes to define who you are in important ways until you get out of that important ways until you get out of that important ways until you get out of that conflict cycle. And I you know I I think conflict cycle. And I you know I I think conflict cycle. And I you know I I think that is comes back to what I said about

that is comes back to what I said about that is comes back to what I said about Abu Grae a minute ago. I just you know Abu Grae a minute ago. I just you know Abu Grae a minute ago. I just you know people would have protested if we had people would have protested if we had people would have protested if we had opened the Iraq war in 2003 by killing opened the Iraq war in 2003 by killing opened the Iraq war in 2003 by killing 150 little girls. People would had a 150 little girls. People would had a 150 little girls. People would had a problem with that. they wouldn't have problem with that. they wouldn't have problem with that. they wouldn't have overthrown the government. They wouldn't overthrown the government. They wouldn't overthrown the government. They wouldn't have necessarily, you know, forced them have necessarily, you know, forced them have necessarily, you know, forced them to stop the war or anything like but to stop the war or anything like but to stop the war or anything like but people would had a problem with it and people would had a problem with it and people would had a problem with it and people public officials would have felt people public officials would have felt people public officials would have felt the need to explain themselves. the need to explain themselves. the need to explain themselves. But when that's all you've known But when that's all you've known But when that's all you've known u and you know anybody under really like u and you know anybody under really like u and you know anybody under really like 30 years old at this point, this has 30 years old at this point, this has 30 years old at this point, this has been their entire lives. Um it's not as been their entire lives. Um it's not as been their entire lives. Um it's not as shocking. It's just how the world works shocking. It's just how the world works shocking. It's just how the world works as far as they know. Is that why as far as they know. Is that why as far as they know. Is that why Israel's been able to ethnically cleanse Israel's been able to ethnically cleanse Israel's been able to ethnically cleanse the territories Gaza most of all without the territories Gaza most of all without the territories Gaza most of all without anyone in our political class saying anyone in our political class saying anyone in our political class saying anything about it? It's definitely one anything about it? It's definitely one anything about it? It's definitely one of the reasons and and you know it's why of the reasons and and you know it's why of the reasons and and you know it's why there's I think there's a uh there's I think there's a uh there's I think there's a uh >> there's a a tendency among really strong >> there's a a tendency among really strong >> there's a a tendency among really strong uh American Zionist elements uh who you uh American Zionist elements uh who you uh American Zionist elements uh who you know and by strong I mean the people who know and by strong I mean the people who know and by strong I mean the people who this is sort of their first and only this is sort of their first and only this is sort of their first and only issue or at least their bottom line issue or at least their bottom line issue or at least their bottom line >> there are many of those >> there are many of those >> there are many of those >> um there's been a push to sort of to >> um there's been a push to sort of to >> um there's been a push to sort of to sort of desensitize people to that kind sort of desensitize people to that kind sort of desensitize people to that kind of thing and to place uh Well, here's a of thing and to place uh Well, here's a of thing and to place uh Well, here's a perfect example. When you were on uh I perfect example. When you were on uh I perfect example. When you were on uh I believe it was your interview with Rogan believe it was your interview with Rogan believe it was your interview with Rogan and you said the outrageous just insane and you said the outrageous just insane and you said the outrageous just insane thing that maybe we shouldn't have nuked thing that maybe we shouldn't have nuked thing that maybe we shouldn't have nuked a couple cities full of civilians in a couple cities full of civilians in a couple cities full of civilians in Japan. And of all the things that you

Japan. And of all the things that you Japan. And of all the things that you said in that interview, that was a thing said in that interview, that was a thing said in that interview, that was a thing that people were just so angry and so that people were just so angry and so that people were just so angry and so outraged by, right? Because the minute outraged by, right? Because the minute outraged by, right? Because the minute you start asking those kind of you start asking those kind of you start asking those kind of questions, questions, questions, that attitude carries over into the that attitude carries over into the that attitude carries over into the modern day and you start judging modern day and you start judging modern day and you start judging decisions that we're making now decisions that we're making now decisions that we're making now according to, you know, these very human according to, you know, these very human according to, you know, these very human standards. standards. standards. >> And um >> And um >> And um >> but absolute standards like it's always >> but absolute standards like it's always >> but absolute standards like it's always wrong to murder civilians no matter who wrong to murder civilians no matter who wrong to murder civilians no matter who does it. And you know, if if because does it. And you know, if if because does it. And you know, if if because look, the the bottom line is for all of look, the the bottom line is for all of look, the the bottom line is for all of the uh influence and power that the the uh influence and power that the the uh influence and power that the Zionist lobby has in the United States, Zionist lobby has in the United States, Zionist lobby has in the United States, if Americans if Americans if Americans saw what was going on with the saw what was going on with the saw what was going on with the Palestinians and did not approve of it Palestinians and did not approve of it Palestinians and did not approve of it and demanded an end to it, they would and demanded an end to it, they would and demanded an end to it, they would have to stop. That's the bottom line. have to stop. That's the bottom line. have to stop. That's the bottom line. And so it's a strategic imperative for And so it's a strategic imperative for And so it's a strategic imperative for them, you know, for people like them, you know, for people like them, you know, for people like >> to corrupt people so completely that >> to corrupt people so completely that >> to corrupt people so completely that they don't even care that they're paying they don't even care that they're paying they don't even care that they're paying for genocide. for genocide. for genocide. >> Yep. and just to rot the souls of the >> Yep. and just to rot the souls of the >> Yep. and just to rot the souls of the host nation so thoroughly that it's like host nation so thoroughly that it's like host nation so thoroughly that it's like no that's fine. no that's fine. no that's fine. >> It's a strategic imperative. >> It's a strategic imperative. >> It's a strategic imperative. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Boy, what a cost to us.

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meaning a war where we're mostly meaning a war where we're mostly launching munitions from outside of launching munitions from outside of launching munitions from outside of Iran's borders for fear of their own air Iran's borders for fear of their own air Iran's borders for fear of their own air defense network and flying our, you defense network and flying our, you defense network and flying our, you know, uh, our own manned aircraft over know, uh, our own manned aircraft over know, uh, our own manned aircraft over them. and and also you know our strategy them. and and also you know our strategy them. and and also you know our strategy has changed over the last you know over has changed over the last you know over has changed over the last you know over the course of the war on terror where we the course of the war on terror where we the course of the war on terror where we have this very strong dependence on have this very strong dependence on have this very strong dependence on unmanned drones you know um the reapers unmanned drones you know um the reapers unmanned drones you know um the reapers now the predators famously in the Iraq now the predators famously in the Iraq now the predators famously in the Iraq and Afghanistan war um where you know and Afghanistan war um where you know and Afghanistan war um where you know we've come to rely on them to a we've come to rely on them to a we've come to rely on them to a tremendous degree but those things are tremendous degree but those things are tremendous degree but those things are not those are not stealth platforms you not those are not stealth platforms you not those are not stealth platforms you can't get real close with them what you can't get real close with them what you can't get real close with them what you can do is launch longrange standoff can do is launch longrange standoff can do is launch longrange standoff weapons from far away but there's only weapons from far away but there's only weapons from far away but there's only so much you can do with these things so much you can do with these things so much you can do with these things People have this idea, I think, like if People have this idea, I think, like if People have this idea, I think, like if a missile hits this building that we're a missile hits this building that we're a missile hits this building that we're in, that's going to be really bad news in, that's going to be really bad news in, that's going to be really bad news for us. The people across the street, for us. The people across the street, for us. The people across the street, they'll probably be fine. This is not, they'll probably be fine. This is not, they'll probably be fine. This is not, you know, these things are are not you know, these things are are not you know, these things are are not nuclear weapons, like a tomahawk nuclear weapons, like a tomahawk nuclear weapons, like a tomahawk missile. You remember back when uh in missile. You remember back when uh in missile. You remember back when uh in the first Trump administration when he the first Trump administration when he the first Trump administration when he launched those tomahawks at that Syrian launched those tomahawks at that Syrian launched those tomahawks at that Syrian airfield because they supposedly use airfield because they supposedly use airfield because they supposedly use chemical weapons.

chemical weapons. chemical weapons. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Launch something like 80. >> Launch something like 80. >> Launch something like 80. >> That was a lie. I think we know. >> That was a lie. I think we know. >> That was a lie. I think we know. >> Yeah. Yeah. um you want something like >> Yeah. Yeah. um you want something like >> Yeah. Yeah. um you want something like 80 tomahawk missiles at this airfield 80 tomahawk missiles at this airfield 80 tomahawk missiles at this airfield and it was back up and running a week and it was back up and running a week and it was back up and running a week and a half later. I mean these things and a half later. I mean these things and a half later. I mean these things are not massive payload because they got are not massive payload because they got are not massive payload because they got to fly 600 miles or something to get to to fly 600 miles or something to get to to fly 600 miles or something to get to the target right so a huge portion of it the target right so a huge portion of it the target right so a huge portion of it is just the rocket fuel to get it there is just the rocket fuel to get it there is just the rocket fuel to get it there and so the payloads are 500 lb maybe you and so the payloads are 500 lb maybe you and so the payloads are 500 lb maybe you know a little more less than that which know a little more less than that which know a little more less than that which is again if you're in the building is again if you're in the building is again if you're in the building that's bad news but uh you're not going that's bad news but uh you're not going that's bad news but uh you're not going to level a civilization as Donald Trump to level a civilization as Donald Trump to level a civilization as Donald Trump keeps threatening using standoff weapons keeps threatening using standoff weapons keeps threatening using standoff weapons like that and so knowing that and having like that and so knowing that and having like that and so knowing that and having a rough idea it's been a while since a rough idea it's been a while since a rough idea it's been a while since I've been in the game but having a rough I've been in the game but having a rough I've been in the game but having a rough idea of what our stockpiles are of idea of what our stockpiles are of idea of what our stockpiles are of what's involved with you know uh what's involved with you know uh what's involved with you know uh fighting a long-distance war like that fighting a long-distance war like that fighting a long-distance war like that where our bases that are in theater are where our bases that are in theater are where our bases that are in theater are under assault and mostly not usable um under assault and mostly not usable um under assault and mostly not usable um [clears throat] it makes the logistical [clears throat] it makes the logistical [clears throat] it makes the logistical element extremely difficult. I was element extremely difficult. I was element extremely difficult. I was describing to you how if you have a say describing to you how if you have a say describing to you how if you have a say a destroyer which is our primary air and a destroyer which is our primary air and a destroyer which is our primary air and ballistic missile defense platform and ballistic missile defense platform and ballistic missile defense platform and also the platform from which we launch also the platform from which we launch also the platform from which we launch our tomahawk missiles you know we have our tomahawk missiles you know we have our tomahawk missiles you know we have them submarines as well but uh but them submarines as well but uh but them submarines as well but uh but mostly destroyers and cruisers and more mostly destroyers and cruisers and more mostly destroyers and cruisers and more destroyers than cruisers now um may you destroyers than cruisers now um may you destroyers than cruisers now um may you know you've got 128 missile know you've got 128 missile know you've got 128 missile [clears throat] cells some of those are [clears throat] cells some of those are [clears throat] cells some of those are going to be intermediate range going to be intermediate range going to be intermediate range anti-aircraft anti-cruise missile SM2 anti-aircraft anti-cruise missile SM2 anti-aircraft anti-cruise missile SM2 type missiles uh some of those are going type missiles uh some of those are going type missiles uh some of those are going to be tomahawks and depending on what to be tomahawks and depending on what to be tomahawks and depending on what the mission is will depend the total the mission is will depend the total the mission is will depend the total load out but some of those are going to load out but some of those are going to load out but some of those are going to be tomahawks some of those are going to be tomahawks some of those are going to be tomahawks some of those are going to be vertically launched torpedoes some of

be vertically launched torpedoes some of be vertically launched torpedoes some of those are going to be really short range those are going to be really short range those are going to be really short range ESSMs ESSMs ESSMs and when you get and then some of them and when you get and then some of them and when you get and then some of them are going to be long range ballistic are going to be long range ballistic are going to be long range ballistic missile defense uh missiles right so missile defense uh missiles right so missile defense uh missiles right so let's say you've got 32 long range let's say you've got 32 long range let's say you've got 32 long range anti-bballistic missile defense uh anti-bballistic missile defense uh anti-bballistic missile defense uh missiles missiles missiles when a missile's coming in you don't when a missile's coming in you don't when a missile's coming in you don't fire one missile at it you fire two in fire one missile at it you fire two in fire one missile at it you fire two in each volley and usually you're sending each volley and usually you're sending each volley and usually you're sending multiple volleys before the first volley multiple volleys before the first volley multiple volleys before the first volley even reaches its target because you want even reaches its target because you want even reaches its target because you want to be pretty sure. You don't want things to be pretty sure. You don't want things to be pretty sure. You don't want things are traveling so fast that you know you are traveling so fast that you know you are traveling so fast that you know you don't want to necessarily find out that don't want to necessarily find out that don't want to necessarily find out that you missed the first time and then have you missed the first time and then have you missed the first time and then have to make the decision to fire again. So to make the decision to fire again. So to make the decision to fire again. So multiple missiles each time. If you got multiple missiles each time. If you got multiple missiles each time. If you got 32 missiles, you'll be lucky if really 32 missiles, you'll be lucky if really 32 missiles, you'll be lucky if really lucky. I mean, this is if everything lucky. I mean, this is if everything lucky. I mean, this is if everything goes absolutely perfectly if you can goes absolutely perfectly if you can goes absolutely perfectly if you can shoot down eight incoming with that. shoot down eight incoming with that. shoot down eight incoming with that. Well, what happens then? You know, you Well, what happens then? You know, you Well, what happens then? You know, you don't have a supply ship that rolls up don't have a supply ship that rolls up don't have a supply ship that rolls up and gives you a another magazine of and gives you a another magazine of and gives you a another magazine of missiles to pop in. You got to go back missiles to pop in. You got to go back missiles to pop in. You got to go back to one of the very few bases around the to one of the very few bases around the to one of the very few bases around the world where we've got large stockpiles world where we've got large stockpiles world where we've got large stockpiles of those missiles and the facilities on of those missiles and the facilities on of those missiles and the facilities on base to reload them. And it's hard hats base to reload them. And it's hard hats base to reload them. And it's hard hats and cranes and it takes multiple days and cranes and it takes multiple days and cranes and it takes multiple days just to do that. Let alone the time just just to do that. Let alone the time just just to do that. Let alone the time just to reload a couple days just to reload.

to reload a couple days just to reload. to reload a couple days just to reload. And that's not counting the time it And that's not counting the time it And that's not counting the time it takes to transit going, you know, all takes to transit going, you know, all takes to transit going, you know, all the way to Diego Garcia and back. the way to Diego Garcia and back. the way to Diego Garcia and back. >> And um >> And um >> And um >> can you for those who don't have a map >> can you for those who don't have a map >> can you for those who don't have a map handy, is Diego Garcia right around the handy, is Diego Garcia right around the handy, is Diego Garcia right around the corner? corner? corner? >> Uh no, it's way out in the middle of the >> Uh no, it's way out in the middle of the >> Uh no, it's way out in the middle of the Indian Ocean. You know, it takes Indian Ocean. You know, it takes Indian Ocean. You know, it takes depending on, you know, the platform or depending on, you know, the platform or depending on, you know, the platform or the ship that's that's going out to it, the ship that's that's going out to it, the ship that's that's going out to it, take you close to a week to get out take you close to a week to get out take you close to a week to get out there. there. there. >> One way. >> One way. >> One way. >> One way. >> One way. >> One way. >> Yeah. And so, and then a couple days to >> Yeah. And so, and then a couple days to >> Yeah. And so, and then a couple days to reload as well. Um, and so, you know, reload as well. Um, and so, you know, reload as well. Um, and so, you know, you you one of our ships is out there. you you one of our ships is out there. you you one of our ships is out there. Maybe it maybe it gets shots off at Maybe it maybe it gets shots off at Maybe it maybe it gets shots off at eight missiles and then it's got to take eight missiles and then it's got to take eight missiles and then it's got to take two and a half weeks to go reload its two and a half weeks to go reload its two and a half weeks to go reload its missiles and come back. It's just missiles and come back. It's just missiles and come back. It's just something was not sustainable. And it's something was not sustainable. And it's something was not sustainable. And it's one of the reasons that I just thought one of the reasons that I just thought one of the reasons that I just thought this is this is crazy. I don't think this is this is crazy. I don't think this is this is crazy. I don't think they're going to do this because it just they're going to do this because it just they're going to do this because it just makes no sense. And as we saw, it made makes no sense. And as we saw, it made makes no sense. And as we saw, it made even less sense than I thought. Because even less sense than I thought. Because even less sense than I thought. Because one of the things that you know those of one of the things that you know those of one of the things that you know those of us who were on the technical side of us who were on the technical side of us who were on the technical side of missile defense understood for a long missile defense understood for a long missile defense understood for a long time that the general public and time that the general public and time that the general public and honestly a lot of government and even honestly a lot of government and even honestly a lot of government and even military officials I think like highle military officials I think like highle military officials I think like highle military officials um didn't understand military officials um didn't understand military officials um didn't understand because I think that the you know because I think that the you know because I think that the you know whereas the you know certain aspects of whereas the you know certain aspects of whereas the you know certain aspects of the data might have gotten to them the the data might have gotten to them the the data might have gotten to them the narrative that got to them was very narrative that got to them was very narrative that got to them was very often rosecolored you know in terms of often rosecolored you know in terms of often rosecolored you know in terms of what the cap what our actual what the cap what our actual what the cap what our actual capabilities were and you Look, if we capabilities were and you Look, if we capabilities were and you Look, if we want to do a missile defense test, a want to do a missile defense test, a want to do a missile defense test, a ballistic missile defense test, we will ballistic missile defense test, we will ballistic missile defense test, we will wait until all of the conditions wait until all of the conditions wait until all of the conditions environmentally are perfect, we will do environmentally are perfect, we will do environmentally are perfect, we will do it at a specific time where they'll say

it at a specific time where they'll say it at a specific time where they'll say countdown 10 9 8, you know, so you know countdown 10 9 8, you know, so you know countdown 10 9 8, you know, so you know exactly when they're launching, exactly exactly when they're launching, exactly exactly when they're launching, exactly where they're launching from, exactly where they're launching from, exactly where they're launching from, exactly where that missile is headed, and we where that missile is headed, and we where that missile is headed, and we place our assets, our radar, and our place our assets, our radar, and our place our assets, our radar, and our missile launchers in specifically the missile launchers in specifically the missile launchers in specifically the place that will give them the absolute place that will give them the absolute place that will give them the absolute best view and best chance of engaging best view and best chance of engaging best view and best chance of engaging that target. that target. that target. >> What this is during a test? >> What this is during a test? >> What this is during a test? >> This is during like a test, right? >> This is during like a test, right? >> This is during like a test, right? Because we're trying to baseline the Because we're trying to baseline the Because we're trying to baseline the system. We want our data to be something system. We want our data to be something system. We want our data to be something that u we know under absolutely that u we know under absolutely that u we know under absolutely controlled conditions or to the extent controlled conditions or to the extent controlled conditions or to the extent that we can make them that way what our that we can make them that way what our that we can make them that way what our data is going to read and then we can data is going to read and then we can data is going to read and then we can judge deviations from there. Um and judge deviations from there. Um and judge deviations from there. Um and there we'll often you know we'll usually there we'll often you know we'll usually there we'll often you know we'll usually hit the thing but not always. Still hit the thing but not always. Still hit the thing but not always. Still still tough. It's hard to do. Um you still tough. It's hard to do. Um you still tough. It's hard to do. Um you know ballistic missiles are very know ballistic missiles are very know ballistic missiles are very difficult and this is something by the difficult and this is something by the difficult and this is something by the way that you know even through way that you know even through way that you know even through government shutdowns and everything like government shutdowns and everything like government shutdowns and everything like that. It was basically SOCOM and that. It was basically SOCOM and that. It was basically SOCOM and ballistic missile defense had we just ballistic missile defense had we just ballistic missile defense had we just had unlimited money. We were the two we had unlimited money. We were the two we had unlimited money. We were the two we never shut down. We never had any of our never shut down. We never had any of our never shut down. We never had any of our budgets looked at anything like that. budgets looked at anything like that. budgets looked at anything like that. You very because we placed a very high You very because we placed a very high You very because we placed a very high priority on it. And so from a technical priority on it. And so from a technical priority on it. And so from a technical standpoint we knew it was very difficult standpoint we knew it was very difficult standpoint we knew it was very difficult to shoot down a ballistic missile. And to shoot down a ballistic missile. And to shoot down a ballistic missile. And about a week or so into the war uh with about a week or so into the war uh with about a week or so into the war uh with Iran um you know I'm watching all these Iran um you know I'm watching all these Iran um you know I'm watching all these videos just crazy like the footage we videos just crazy like the footage we videos just crazy like the footage we get out of these wars now and you'll see get out of these wars now and you'll see get out of these wars now and you'll see a ballistic missile coming in and you'll a ballistic missile coming in and you'll a ballistic missile coming in and you'll see a volley of two volley of four uh or see a volley of two volley of four uh or see a volley of two volley of four uh or two volleys of two um go up and engage two volleys of two um go up and engage two volleys of two um go up and engage the missile. Very often the missile the missile. Very often the missile the missile. Very often the missile would land and blow up somewhere uh would land and blow up somewhere uh would land and blow up somewhere uh where it was headed. But then after where it was headed. But then after where it was headed. But then after about two weeks, about 10 days, two about two weeks, about 10 days, two about two weeks, about 10 days, two weeks, and then from there on, I started

weeks, and then from there on, I started weeks, and then from there on, I started seeing all these videos of a ballistic seeing all these videos of a ballistic seeing all these videos of a ballistic missile coming in and it was just we missile coming in and it was just we missile coming in and it was just we would flood the sky with interceptors, would flood the sky with interceptors, would flood the sky with interceptors, eight, 10 interceptors for every eight, 10 interceptors for every eight, 10 interceptors for every incoming. And as soon as I saw that, I incoming. And as soon as I saw that, I incoming. And as soon as I saw that, I was like, well, first this kind of makes was like, well, first this kind of makes was like, well, first this kind of makes more sense. Like at first I was knowing more sense. Like at first I was knowing more sense. Like at first I was knowing the effectiveness of of ballistic the effectiveness of of ballistic the effectiveness of of ballistic missile defense systems, and we have the missile defense systems, and we have the missile defense systems, and we have the best in the world, by the way, but um best in the world, by the way, but um best in the world, by the way, but um it's just a technically difficult thing it's just a technically difficult thing it's just a technically difficult thing to achieve. Knowing the limitations of to achieve. Knowing the limitations of to achieve. Knowing the limitations of it, um I was surprised at first that I it, um I was surprised at first that I it, um I was surprised at first that I was seeing volleys of two and four going was seeing volleys of two and four going was seeing volleys of two and four going up. Once they started to get up to up. Once they started to get up to up. Once they started to get up to volleys of 8, 10, 12 missiles per I volleys of 8, 10, 12 missiles per I volleys of 8, 10, 12 missiles per I said, "Well, this makes more sense." And said, "Well, this makes more sense." And said, "Well, this makes more sense." And they would come out and say, you know, they would come out and say, you know, they would come out and say, you know, we're having a success rate of 97%. we're having a success rate of 97%. we're having a success rate of 97%. We're shooting down 97% of incoming. We're shooting down 97% of incoming. We're shooting down 97% of incoming. It's like, well, yeah, but you're It's like, well, yeah, but you're It's like, well, yeah, but you're shooting 10 interceptors at every one of shooting 10 interceptors at every one of shooting 10 interceptors at every one of them. And so, uh, you know, you're them. And so, uh, you know, you're them. And so, uh, you know, you're you're you're shooting it down, but at you're you're shooting it down, but at you're you're shooting it down, but at what cost? And and when that started to what cost? And and when that started to what cost? And and when that started to happen, then I realized that this thing happen, then I realized that this thing happen, then I realized that this thing is way more irrational than I even is way more irrational than I even is way more irrational than I even thought at the beginning. There's no way thought at the beginning. There's no way thought at the beginning. There's no way that this can be a protracted war that this can be a protracted war that this can be a protracted war because we just we just don't have that because we just we just don't have that because we just we just don't have that many and we don't have a defense many and we don't have a defense many and we don't have a defense industrial base that allows us to sort industrial base that allows us to sort industrial base that allows us to sort of ramp that up real quick. You know, of ramp that up real quick. You know, of ramp that up real quick. You know, this is something these these systems this is something these these systems this is something these these systems nowadays are so proprietary and so uh nowadays are so proprietary and so uh nowadays are so proprietary and so uh specialized and high-tech.

specialized and high-tech. specialized and high-tech. You know, you can't it's not like World You know, you can't it's not like World You know, you can't it's not like World War II where you can tell General Motors War II where you can tell General Motors War II where you can tell General Motors and Ford to start making tank parts. and Ford to start making tank parts. and Ford to start making tank parts. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> Um, this is something that even if you >> Um, this is something that even if you >> Um, this is something that even if you had the budget put aside, even if you had the budget put aside, even if you had the budget put aside, even if you had all of the resources you needed to had all of the resources you needed to had all of the resources you needed to build five more factories, we don't have build five more factories, we don't have build five more factories, we don't have the personnel to man those factories. We the personnel to man those factories. We the personnel to man those factories. We would have to get people that we have would have to get people that we have would have to get people that we have now to train up entirely an entirely new now to train up entirely an entirely new now to train up entirely an entirely new workforce to build these things. It's workforce to build these things. It's workforce to build these things. It's just something that would take years just something that would take years just something that would take years under the best of circumstances. And so, under the best of circumstances. And so, under the best of circumstances. And so, um, there I mean, honestly, I was um, there I mean, honestly, I was um, there I mean, honestly, I was surprised that it lasted as long as it surprised that it lasted as long as it surprised that it lasted as long as it did, especially since I know, uh, from did, especially since I know, uh, from did, especially since I know, uh, from people that I that I speak to on a people that I that I speak to on a people that I that I speak to on a regular, good friends of mine, um, who regular, good friends of mine, um, who regular, good friends of mine, um, who work in the Pentagon, that at the work in the Pentagon, that at the work in the Pentagon, that at the highest levels on the uniform military highest levels on the uniform military highest levels on the uniform military side at least, they were perfectly aware side at least, they were perfectly aware side at least, they were perfectly aware of the problems that even from the of the problems that even from the of the problems that even from the earliest days that, uh, we were going to earliest days that, uh, we were going to earliest days that, uh, we were going to have issues with uh, ammunition have issues with uh, ammunition have issues with uh, ammunition stockpiles. we were going to have issues stockpiles. we were going to have issues stockpiles. we were going to have issues uh defending all of the things that we uh defending all of the things that we uh defending all of the things that we had committed ourselves to defending. had committed ourselves to defending. had committed ourselves to defending. Yes. And you saw very quickly that we Yes. And you saw very quickly that we Yes. And you saw very quickly that we essentially abandoned a lot of places essentially abandoned a lot of places essentially abandoned a lot of places that probably, you know, a lot a lot of that probably, you know, a lot a lot of that probably, you know, a lot a lot of Arab countries who have spent a lot of Arab countries who have spent a lot of Arab countries who have spent a lot of money, a lot of credibility with their money, a lot of credibility with their money, a lot of credibility with their own people, a lot of, you know, they own people, a lot of, you know, they own people, a lot of, you know, they they've spent a lot they've spent a lot they've spent a lot building up their relationship with the building up their relationship with the building up their relationship with the United States for this eventuality. And United States for this eventuality. And United States for this eventuality. And they found out what that was worth very they found out what that was worth very they found out what that was worth very quickly when we started moving a lot of quickly when we started moving a lot of quickly when we started moving a lot of our resources over to honestly much less our resources over to honestly much less our resources over to honestly much less strategically critical areas of defense strategically critical areas of defense strategically critical areas of defense around Israel. Home ownership has always

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800685-5696 800685-5696 or visit americanfinancing.net/tucker. And so I mean the the whole thing has And so I mean the the whole thing has been uh you know it's been a disaster been uh you know it's been a disaster been uh you know it's been a disaster not just for uh our our relationships in not just for uh our our relationships in not just for uh our our relationships in the region it's it's been a disaster the region it's it's been a disaster the region it's it's been a disaster just in a much broader strategic sense just in a much broader strategic sense just in a much broader strategic sense because you know if you go you look at because you know if you go you look at because you know if you go you look at Afghanistan you look at Iraq people say Afghanistan you look at Iraq people say Afghanistan you look at Iraq people say we lost those wars and granted we you we lost those wars and granted we you we lost those wars and granted we you know what we found out in those wars was know what we found out in those wars was know what we found out in those wars was not that the US military is incapable of not that the US military is incapable of not that the US military is incapable of achieving military objectives. We found achieving military objectives. We found achieving military objectives. We found out it's not the best tool to fight a out it's not the best tool to fight a out it's not the best tool to fight a counter an embedded counterinsurgency. counter an embedded counterinsurgency. counter an embedded counterinsurgency. Fine. Fine. Fine. >> Um, but I promise you that the Russians, >> Um, but I promise you that the Russians, >> Um, but I promise you that the Russians, the Chinese, all of our potential the Chinese, all of our potential the Chinese, all of our potential adversaries out there, potential peers, adversaries out there, potential peers, adversaries out there, potential peers, they still looked at the United States they still looked at the United States they still looked at the United States and they were like, "Yeah, but I don't and they were like, "Yeah, but I don't and they were like, "Yeah, but I don't know. In a real war, like we just don't know. In a real war, like we just don't know. In a real war, like we just don't know what they can do." Now, everybody know what they can do." Now, everybody know what they can do." Now, everybody knows. Everybody knows the sheen is off. knows. Everybody knows the sheen is off. knows. Everybody knows the sheen is off. um they know what our not just our our um they know what our not just our our um they know what our not just our our our political limitations are, but what our political limitations are, but what our political limitations are, but what our technical and and actual our technical and and actual our technical and and actual capabilities are. And that's going to capabilities are. And that's going to capabilities are. And that's going to reverberate as countries start to start reverberate as countries start to start reverberate as countries start to start to adapt their own geostrategic posture to adapt their own geostrategic posture to adapt their own geostrategic posture to what they now see are are our genuine to what they now see are are our genuine to what they now see are are our genuine limitations.

>> How long can this go on? >> How long can this go on? >> I mean, it it kind of depends, right? >> I mean, it it kind of depends, right? >> I mean, it it kind of depends, right? like the um there seems to have been a like the um there seems to have been a like the um there seems to have been a shift recently where Iran realized this shift recently where Iran realized this shift recently where Iran realized this is how it looks just for me as an is how it looks just for me as an is how it looks just for me as an observer that Iran kind of realized um observer that Iran kind of realized um observer that Iran kind of realized um that they were getting played a little that they were getting played a little that they were getting played a little bit by allowing things to die down in a bit by allowing things to die down in a bit by allowing things to die down in a tit for tat while we kind of catch our tit for tat while we kind of catch our tit for tat while we kind of catch our [clears throat] breath and let oil [clears throat] breath and let oil [clears throat] breath and let oil prices go back down and let bond yields prices go back down and let bond yields prices go back down and let bond yields fall a bit and then we start again and fall a bit and then we start again and fall a bit and then we start again and they launch some in return but then when they launch some in return but then when they launch some in return but then when we stop they stop kind of letting us set we stop they stop kind of letting us set we stop they stop kind of letting us set the pace and set the terms. Um, it was I the pace and set the terms. Um, it was I the pace and set the terms. Um, it was I had to laugh. I mean, it's obviously had to laugh. I mean, it's obviously had to laugh. I mean, it's obviously none of this is funny, but a week or so none of this is funny, but a week or so none of this is funny, but a week or so ago when Iran launched those missiles at ago when Iran launched those missiles at ago when Iran launched those missiles at Jordan and they were like it was a sneak Jordan and they were like it was a sneak Jordan and they were like it was a sneak attack, this dastardly sneak attack. I'm attack, this dastardly sneak attack. I'm attack, this dastardly sneak attack. I'm like, is there a ceasefire that I'm not like, is there a ceasefire that I'm not like, is there a ceasefire that I'm not aware of right now? We're in a war. aware of right now? We're in a war. aware of right now? We're in a war. Like, and so it seems like they've Like, and so it seems like they've Like, and so it seems like they've adjusted a little bit to not letting us adjusted a little bit to not letting us adjusted a little bit to not letting us set the terms and set the pace uh to the set the terms and set the pace uh to the set the terms and set the pace uh to the extent that we had been before. And so extent that we had been before. And so extent that we had been before. And so if we had been allowed to just continue if we had been allowed to just continue if we had been allowed to just continue to do that a tit for tat on our own to do that a tit for tat on our own to do that a tit for tat on our own terms at our own pace, I mean we could terms at our own pace, I mean we could terms at our own pace, I mean we could probably we we could probably from from probably we we could probably from from probably we we could probably from from a pure military standpoint, not talking a pure military standpoint, not talking a pure military standpoint, not talking about um global oil reserves and stuff.

about um global oil reserves and stuff. about um global oil reserves and stuff. Uh we probably could have continued it Uh we probably could have continued it Uh we probably could have continued it for quite some time if the Iranians as for quite some time if the Iranians as for quite some time if the Iranians as it seems now are wise to that and they it seems now are wise to that and they it seems now are wise to that and they say no, you're not going to get a break say no, you're not going to get a break say no, you're not going to get a break and rebuild your interceptor stockpile and rebuild your interceptor stockpile and rebuild your interceptor stockpile while you do it. you're going to while you do it. you're going to while you do it. you're going to continue to spend those things and um continue to spend those things and um continue to spend those things and um then then then then then then I mean things are going to come to a I mean things are going to come to a I mean things are going to come to a head very quickly, you know, and and I head very quickly, you know, and and I head very quickly, you know, and and I say that uh with trepidation because say that uh with trepidation because say that uh with trepidation because it's so you know our system it's so you know our system it's so you know our system unfortunately like the bravest thing unfortunately like the bravest thing unfortunately like the bravest thing that Donald Trump could do is to admit that Donald Trump could do is to admit that Donald Trump could do is to admit this was a mistake, pay some restitution this was a mistake, pay some restitution this was a mistake, pay some restitution to those girls families and get out of to those girls families and get out of to those girls families and get out of there. stop doing it. This thing was uh there. stop doing it. This thing was uh there. stop doing it. This thing was uh that would be an incredibly brave thing that would be an incredibly brave thing that would be an incredibly brave thing to do. It would honestly like go a long to do. It would honestly like go a long to do. It would honestly like go a long way to making up for a lot of the things way to making up for a lot of the things way to making up for a lot of the things that um he's done that I that I don't that um he's done that I that I don't that um he's done that I that I don't like it. I I would be I would be amazed like it. I I would be I would be amazed like it. I I would be I would be amazed by it. Um but our political system is by it. Um but our political system is by it. Um but our political system is just not structured in a way that that's just not structured in a way that that's just not structured in a way that that's really even a possibility. And so if we really even a possibility. And so if we really even a possibility. And so if we are backed into a corner where we're are backed into a corner where we're are backed into a corner where we're running out of stock piles and the running out of stock piles and the running out of stock piles and the Iranians are aware of that and they're Iranians are aware of that and they're Iranians are aware of that and they're not going to take their foot off the gas not going to take their foot off the gas not going to take their foot off the gas pedal because they're afraid that if pedal because they're afraid that if pedal because they're afraid that if they do, you know, that we're never they do, you know, that we're never they do, you know, that we're never going to stop, that we have to be forced going to stop, that we have to be forced going to stop, that we have to be forced to stop, um that we could, you know, to stop, um that we could, you know, to stop, um that we could, you know, take this to places that that I think take this to places that that I think take this to places that that I think even most hawks uh who are in favor of even most hawks uh who are in favor of even most hawks uh who are in favor of the war um would [clears throat] the war um would [clears throat] the war um would [clears throat] probably be uncomfortable with. It's probably be uncomfortable with. It's probably be uncomfortable with. It's obvious to it has been obvious to me obvious to it has been obvious to me obvious to it has been obvious to me since day one that this was moving

since day one that this was moving since day one that this was moving toward a nuclear exchange. I just toward a nuclear exchange. I just toward a nuclear exchange. I just thought that from the very beginning. thought that from the very beginning. thought that from the very beginning. >> The really dark part about that though >> The really dark part about that though >> The really dark part about that though is it's not an exchange. is it's not an exchange. is it's not an exchange. >> Well, exactly. Sorry, that's just a >> Well, exactly. Sorry, that's just a >> Well, exactly. Sorry, that's just a phrase. phrase. phrase. >> Yeah. Yeah. But that how dark is that to >> Yeah. Yeah. But that how dark is that to >> Yeah. Yeah. But that how dark is that to even even even >> Well, I don't know. We're assuming that >> Well, I don't know. We're assuming that >> Well, I don't know. We're assuming that there would be no response. I mean, there would be no response. I mean, there would be no response. I mean, there are a lot of other players in this there are a lot of other players in this there are a lot of other players in this beyond just Iran. And there are a lot of beyond just Iran. And there are a lot of beyond just Iran. And there are a lot of countries with nuclear weapons, countries with nuclear weapons, countries with nuclear weapons, including Pakistan. And you know, including Pakistan. And you know, including Pakistan. And you know, there's a lot could happen. there's a lot could happen. there's a lot could happen. But the use of nuclear weapons for the But the use of nuclear weapons for the But the use of nuclear weapons for the first time in 80 years, like I thought first time in 80 years, like I thought first time in 80 years, like I thought that immediately. that immediately. that immediately. Do you think that's a possibility, Do you think that's a possibility, Do you think that's a possibility, man? man? man? Um, for well, I'll say it's certainly a for well, I'll say it's certainly a possibility for the Israelis. Um, possibility for the Israelis. Um, possibility for the Israelis. Um, >> that's what I'm talking about. >> that's what I'm talking about. >> that's what I'm talking about. >> Yeah, it's it's really hard for me to >> Yeah, it's it's really hard for me to >> Yeah, it's it's really hard for me to imagine the American government doing imagine the American government doing imagine the American government doing it, but again, I'm I'm always caught off it, but again, I'm I'm always caught off it, but again, I'm I'm always caught off guard by everything, no matter how many guard by everything, no matter how many guard by everything, no matter how many times I've been beaten over the head times I've been beaten over the head times I've been beaten over the head with a lesson. So, um, it really with a lesson. So, um, it really with a lesson. So, um, it really depends. I put I put it this way. I depends. I put I put it this way. I depends. I put I put it this way. I think if the Israelis thought they could think if the Israelis thought they could think if the Israelis thought they could get away with it, if they thought that get away with it, if they thought that get away with it, if they thought that they could handle the geopolitical they could handle the geopolitical they could handle the geopolitical fallout, they would have already done it fallout, they would have already done it fallout, they would have already done it a long time ago.

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trying to be empathetic. trying to be empathetic. >> The consequences of losing this for >> The consequences of losing this for >> The consequences of losing this for Israel. And this is um you know, this is Israel. And this is um you know, this is Israel. And this is um you know, this is a reason that a lot of the hawks over a reason that a lot of the hawks over a reason that a lot of the hawks over there sound as crazy as they often do there sound as crazy as they often do there sound as crazy as they often do these days. Um I mean, it could be could these days. Um I mean, it could be could these days. Um I mean, it could be could be the the the thing that sets the ball be the the the thing that sets the ball be the the the thing that sets the ball rolling toward the conclusion of that rolling toward the conclusion of that rolling toward the conclusion of that whole project. whole project. whole project. >> Well, exactly. you know, um, Israel has >> Well, exactly. you know, um, Israel has >> Well, exactly. you know, um, Israel has survived for certainly since 1967 at survived for certainly since 1967 at survived for certainly since 1967 at least on this aura of military least on this aura of military least on this aura of military invincibility. invincibility. invincibility. And there are a lot of people over in And there are a lot of people over in And there are a lot of people over in Israel. Israel. Israel. Even now, I mean, Israel has trouble Even now, I mean, Israel has trouble Even now, I mean, Israel has trouble holding on to it. Even before all this holding on to it. Even before all this holding on to it. Even before all this started up, Israel has trouble holding started up, Israel has trouble holding started up, Israel has trouble holding on to its people. You've been to Israel. on to its people. You've been to Israel. on to its people. You've been to Israel. >> We love going to the old city and things >> We love going to the old city and things >> We love going to the old city and things like that, but you go around and, like that, but you go around and, like that, but you go around and, >> you know, it's there are nice parts of >> you know, it's there are nice parts of >> you know, it's there are nice parts of it for sure. or I like going to the it for sure. or I like going to the it for sure. or I like going to the Bahigh Gardens and you know in Hifa and Bahigh Gardens and you know in Hifa and Bahigh Gardens and you know in Hifa and and but in general and but in general and but in general >> the only nice part of Hifa is the party >> the only nice part of Hifa is the party >> the only nice part of Hifa is the party that was there before 1948 sorry that was there before 1948 sorry that was there before 1948 sorry >> and so um you know uh it's it's much >> and so um you know uh it's it's much >> and so um you know uh it's it's much nicer in um you know Paris or London or nicer in um you know Paris or London or nicer in um you know Paris or London or New York or something put it that way New York or something put it that way New York or something put it that way well well well >> or Dubai Riad or Abu Dhabi >> or Dubai Riad or Abu Dhabi >> or Dubai Riad or Abu Dhabi >> right and so um you know there's a lot >> right and so um you know there's a lot >> right and so um you know there's a lot of people I think who this was a big of people I think who this was a big of people I think who this was a big concern of the uh Israeli leadership concern of the uh Israeli leadership concern of the uh Israeli leadership after the 2006 Hezbollah after the 2006 Hezbollah after the 2006 Hezbollah which they also lost. Um it was not which they also lost. Um it was not which they also lost. Um it was not necessarily that our enemies are going necessarily that our enemies are going necessarily that our enemies are going to see this and this is going to you to see this and this is going to you to see this and this is going to you know lead them to become more know lead them to become more know lead them to become more belligerent toward us. It was that if belligerent toward us. It was that if belligerent toward us. It was that if our people don't believe that we are our people don't believe that we are our people don't believe that we are completely invincible over here. It gets

completely invincible over here. It gets completely invincible over here. It gets that that that job that their cousin has that that that job that their cousin has that that that job that their cousin has for him in Manhattan starts to look a for him in Manhattan starts to look a for him in Manhattan starts to look a lot more tempting and people start to lot more tempting and people start to lot more tempting and people start to leave and then you start to get this leave and then you start to get this leave and then you start to get this self-reinforcing cycle, right? where self-reinforcing cycle, right? where self-reinforcing cycle, right? where it's the people who aren't quite it's the people who aren't quite it's the people who aren't quite comfortable with uh with with say the comfortable with uh with with say the comfortable with uh with with say the Lud government, the people who think Lud government, the people who think Lud government, the people who think that maybe Israel is going a little bit that maybe Israel is going a little bit that maybe Israel is going a little bit too far in Gaza, few as they may be left too far in Gaza, few as they may be left too far in Gaza, few as they may be left over there these days, but the people over there these days, but the people over there these days, but the people who um we would consider somewhat who um we would consider somewhat who um we would consider somewhat moderate, people who aren't prepared to moderate, people who aren't prepared to moderate, people who aren't prepared to die in their apartment [clears throat] die in their apartment [clears throat] die in their apartment [clears throat] from an Iranian missile because from an Iranian missile because from an Iranian missile because Netanyahu decided to start a war. Um Netanyahu decided to start a war. Um Netanyahu decided to start a war. Um those are the people who are going to those are the people who are going to those are the people who are going to leave which means that the people who leave which means that the people who leave which means that the people who are left behind are going to be more are left behind are going to be more are left behind are going to be more more concentrated crazy. more concentrated crazy. more concentrated crazy. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And and more hardline >> And and more hardline >> And and more hardline >> and non-productive who don't work and >> and non-productive who don't work and >> and non-productive who don't work and don't serve in the military don't serve in the military don't serve in the military >> and and the people who do make aliyah >> and and the people who do make aliyah >> and and the people who do make aliyah and travel there. you know, is this I and travel there. you know, is this I and travel there. you know, is this I mean, you see this I guess in like it's mean, you see this I guess in like it's mean, you see this I guess in like it's kind of similar to um you talk to a lot kind of similar to um you talk to a lot kind of similar to um you talk to a lot of uh like Orthodox and Catholic of uh like Orthodox and Catholic of uh like Orthodox and Catholic converts and they're all just deis vault converts and they're all just deis vault converts and they're all just deis vault you know just holy war kind of just you you know just holy war kind of just you you know just holy war kind of just you know really like thinking in these big know really like thinking in these big know really like thinking in these big grand historical like cosmic terms grand historical like cosmic terms grand historical like cosmic terms whereas you talk to somebody who grew up whereas you talk to somebody who grew up whereas you talk to somebody who grew up as an Orthodox or Catholic and they're as an Orthodox or Catholic and they're as an Orthodox or Catholic and they're thinking about the relationship with thinking about the relationship with thinking about the relationship with Jesus Christ and like trying you know Jesus Christ and like trying you know Jesus Christ and like trying you know that kind of thing and you get this sort that kind of thing and you get this sort that kind of thing and you get this sort of thing like you go out into the West of thing like you go out into the West of thing like you go out into the West Bank and a lot of these settlements and Bank and a lot of these settlements and Bank and a lot of these settlements and it's a bunch of guys from Brooklyn and it's a bunch of guys from Brooklyn and it's a bunch of guys from Brooklyn and they're crazier than the craziest they're crazier than the craziest they're crazier than the craziest Israelis. And it's like and it's like of Israelis. And it's like and it's like of Israelis. And it's like and it's like of course they are. They moved from America course they are. They moved from America course they are. They moved from America to go out to live in this hostile

to go out to live in this hostile to go out to live in this hostile territory. It's like naturally that's territory. It's like naturally that's territory. It's like naturally that's who you're going to get. And um and you who you're going to get. And um and you who you're going to get. And um and you know as the society becomes a more and know as the society becomes a more and know as the society becomes a more and more concentrated version of that, then more concentrated version of that, then more concentrated version of that, then the stakes really do get raised. you the stakes really do get raised. you the stakes really do get raised. you know what what happens when you remove know what what happens when you remove know what what happens when you remove the last people who were against the the last people who were against the the last people who were against the first use of nuclear weapons from Israel first use of nuclear weapons from Israel first use of nuclear weapons from Israel because they go live in um New York or because they go live in um New York or because they go live in um New York or London. I mean then you start to get, London. I mean then you start to get, London. I mean then you start to get, you know, a real problem. And I mean, you know, a real problem. And I mean, you know, a real problem. And I mean, you see this with like so shocking for you see this with like so shocking for you see this with like so shocking for Americans over there. There's so much of Americans over there. There's so much of Americans over there. There's so much of what goes on over there that I think for what goes on over there that I think for what goes on over there that I think for Americans and Europeans, it's so far Americans and Europeans, it's so far Americans and Europeans, it's so far outside of our understanding of how outside of our understanding of how outside of our understanding of how human beings behave with toward each human beings behave with toward each human beings behave with toward each other that people just they don't other that people just they don't other that people just they don't believe it. They assume it must be believe it. They assume it must be believe it. They assume it must be exaggerated or propaganda, but I mean exaggerated or propaganda, but I mean exaggerated or propaganda, but I mean just just just >> they're not really raping people with >> they're not really raping people with >> they're not really raping people with dogs in their prisons. Right. dogs in their prisons. Right. dogs in their prisons. Right. >> Right. And having uh you know high >> Right. And having uh you know high >> Right. And having uh you know high cabinet ministers celebrating it and cabinet ministers celebrating it and cabinet ministers celebrating it and defending the rapists, you know. I mean defending the rapists, you know. I mean defending the rapists, you know. I mean Ben Ben Ben essentially the equivalent to Marco essentially the equivalent to Marco essentially the equivalent to Marco Rubio in our system.

Rubio in our system. Rubio in our system. um he's he's the leader of the Jewish um he's he's the leader of the Jewish um he's he's the leader of the Jewish power party and he cites uh over the power party and he cites uh over the power party and he cites uh over the years and he's defended this position years and he's defended this position years and he's defended this position many times that one of his heroes, Baroo many times that one of his heroes, Baroo many times that one of his heroes, Baroo Goldstein, the mass shooter who killed Goldstein, the mass shooter who killed Goldstein, the mass shooter who killed dozens of uh innocent Arabs uh back in dozens of uh innocent Arabs uh back in dozens of uh innocent Arabs uh back in the early 90s. And so it' literally be the early 90s. And so it' literally be the early 90s. And so it' literally be as if the Secretary of State was a as if the Secretary of State was a as if the Secretary of State was a leader of the White Power party and had leader of the White Power party and had leader of the White Power party and had repeatedly said that Dylan Roof was one repeatedly said that Dylan Roof was one repeatedly said that Dylan Roof was one of his heroes. And people are fine with of his heroes. And people are fine with of his heroes. And people are fine with that. And when you get to a place where that. And when you get to a place where that. And when you get to a place where your society is perfectly fine with your society is perfectly fine with your society is perfectly fine with something like that, you know, you have something like that, you know, you have something like that, you know, you have to you have to imagine sort of the the to you have to imagine sort of the the to you have to imagine sort of the the consequences that spill out in consequences that spill out in consequences that spill out in [clears throat] other areas maybe [clears throat] other areas maybe [clears throat] other areas maybe beneath the surface that you're not beneath the surface that you're not beneath the surface that you're not seeing, you know, seeing, you know, seeing, you know, >> like they blow up the Temple Mount and >> like they blow up the Temple Mount and >> like they blow up the Temple Mount and then launch a nuke against Iran. But I then launch a nuke against Iran. But I then launch a nuke against Iran. But I guess the reason I've always thought it guess the reason I've always thought it guess the reason I've always thought it was was was a possibility is because Israel can't a possibility is because Israel can't a possibility is because Israel can't lose, as you just said, like a they've lose, as you just said, like a they've lose, as you just said, like a they've spent so many years hyping the threat spent so many years hyping the threat spent so many years hyping the threat against them falsely, against them falsely, against them falsely, telling stories to themselves and the telling stories to themselves and the telling stories to themselves and the rest of the world about how, you know, rest of the world about how, you know, rest of the world about how, you know, they're just one moment away from being they're just one moment away from being they're just one moment away from being eliminated. It's always been fake. But eliminated. It's always been fake. But eliminated. It's always been fake. But now it feels like it's getting closer to now it feels like it's getting closer to now it feels like it's getting closer to true.

true. true. >> Yeah. Yeah. And not militarily wiped out >> Yeah. Yeah. And not militarily wiped out >> Yeah. Yeah. And not militarily wiped out necessarily and driven out of there. But necessarily and driven out of there. But necessarily and driven out of there. But I think it's something that could I think it's something that could I think it's something that could collapse under its own weight. You know, collapse under its own weight. You know, collapse under its own weight. You know, if you were to go back to the earliest if you were to go back to the earliest if you were to go back to the earliest days of Zionism and tell most of the days of Zionism and tell most of the days of Zionism and tell most of the people who were embracing the ideology people who were embracing the ideology people who were embracing the ideology back then that you're going to get your back then that you're going to get your back then that you're going to get your state, but here's what it's going to state, but here's what it's going to state, but here's what it's going to require and here's what it's going to require and here's what it's going to require and here's what it's going to transform you into. It would have lost a transform you into. It would have lost a transform you into. It would have lost a ton of support. I mean, it took a it ton of support. I mean, it took a it ton of support. I mean, it took a it took a long time and and um a lot of a took a long time and and um a lot of a took a long time and and um a lot of a lot of effort to even get much of the lot of effort to even get much of the lot of effort to even get much of the Jewish community around the world to to Jewish community around the world to to Jewish community around the world to to support Zionism in the first place. I support Zionism in the first place. I support Zionism in the first place. I mean, it was primarily just an Eastern mean, it was primarily just an Eastern mean, it was primarily just an Eastern European movement. The German uh Jews, European movement. The German uh Jews, European movement. The German uh Jews, the French Jews, most British and the French Jews, most British and the French Jews, most British and American Jews. It took all the way up American Jews. It took all the way up American Jews. It took all the way up until the 1930s before they started to until the 1930s before they started to until the 1930s before they started to come around to it at all. come around to it at all. come around to it at all. um if you you know if you would have um if you you know if you would have um if you you know if you would have gone back then and told them that this gone back then and told them that this gone back then and told them that this is what it's going to entail, this is is what it's going to entail, this is is what it's going to entail, this is what it's going to take from you, um a what it's going to take from you, um a what it's going to take from you, um a lot of people wouldn't have supported it lot of people wouldn't have supported it lot of people wouldn't have supported it to begin with. And so when you have this to begin with. And so when you have this to begin with. And so when you have this edifice that is built on some on the on edifice that is built on some on the on edifice that is built on some on the on the kind of brutality and requires the kind of brutality and requires the kind of brutality and requires really the really the really the not just the hard things to be done in not just the hard things to be done in not just the hard things to be done in war but really to keep it going over war but really to keep it going over war but really to keep it going over time requires um the population to take time requires um the population to take time requires um the population to take on a persistent mentality of paranoia on a persistent mentality of paranoia on a persistent mentality of paranoia and hostility the way we've seen taken and hostility the way we've seen taken and hostility the way we've seen taken root over there. Something like that root over there. Something like that root over there. Something like that becomes you know it goes back to what becomes you know it goes back to what becomes you know it goes back to what you were saying about the effect that uh you were saying about the effect that uh you were saying about the effect that uh it has even on the corruptor. I mean it it has even on the corruptor. I mean it it has even on the corruptor. I mean it it it it that becomes oppressive on it it it that becomes oppressive on it it it that becomes oppressive on people and it becomes something that people and it becomes something that people and it becomes something that people uh are not as interested in people uh are not as interested in people uh are not as interested in defending, defending, defending, >> but it turns them into monsters. I mean

>> but it turns them into monsters. I mean >> but it turns them into monsters. I mean the more you think you're hated, the the more you think you're hated, the the more you think you're hated, the more you hate other people, more you hate other people, more you hate other people, >> right? Yeah. It always happens that way. >> right? Yeah. It always happens that way. >> right? Yeah. It always happens that way. I think uh but for all of us, I think uh but for all of us, I think uh but for all of us, >> George Kennan um when talking about the >> George Kennan um when talking about the >> George Kennan um when talking about the Soviet Union, he said something like uh Soviet Union, he said something like uh Soviet Union, he said something like uh I won't be as eloquent as he was, but I won't be as eloquent as he was, but I won't be as eloquent as he was, but that it's the the privilege of every that it's the the privilege of every that it's the the privilege of every paranoid man to eventually prove himself paranoid man to eventually prove himself paranoid man to eventually prove himself correct. Right. correct. Right. correct. Right. >> And it's because when you believe >> And it's because when you believe >> And it's because when you believe everybody's out to get you, you interact everybody's out to get you, you interact everybody's out to get you, you interact with everybody as if they're out to get with everybody as if they're out to get with everybody as if they're out to get you. And then eventually they get tired you. And then eventually they get tired you. And then eventually they get tired of it and they're out to get you. That of it and they're out to get you. That of it and they're out to get you. That happens with every cult, every honestly happens with every cult, every honestly happens with every cult, every honestly every like naent nationalist movement. every like naent nationalist movement. every like naent nationalist movement. We saw this after the first world war. We saw this after the first world war. We saw this after the first world war. To go back to that, you saw a lot of To go back to that, you saw a lot of To go back to that, you saw a lot of these emergent countries, the Polish for these emergent countries, the Polish for these emergent countries, the Polish for example, um the checks. You see it with example, um the checks. You see it with example, um the checks. You see it with the Ukrainians now, especially since the Ukrainians now, especially since the Ukrainians now, especially since 2004, when you have this newly birthed 2004, when you have this newly birthed 2004, when you have this newly birthed sense of nationalism, sense of nationalism, sense of nationalism, you you feel like you're under threat. you you feel like you're under threat. you you feel like you're under threat. You know, you were just under an empire You know, you were just under an empire You know, you were just under an empire for centuries. You might be under an for centuries. You might be under an for centuries. You might be under an empire again if you're not ready for empire again if you're not ready for empire again if you're not ready for that threat. And there's this real real that threat. And there's this real real that threat. And there's this real real uh sense of of paranoia and hostility uh sense of of paranoia and hostility uh sense of of paranoia and hostility toward outsiders that kind of holds the toward outsiders that kind of holds the toward outsiders that kind of holds the national community together. And most of national community together. And most of national community together. And most of those other countries stabilized to a those other countries stabilized to a those other countries stabilized to a point that that you know it didn't point that that you know it didn't point that that you know it didn't become it wasn't necessary any longer become it wasn't necessary any longer become it wasn't necessary any longer and the kids were raised differently.

and the kids were raised differently. and the kids were raised differently. But in Israel they've been in a state of But in Israel they've been in a state of But in Israel they've been in a state of conflict for their entire existence. So conflict for their entire existence. So conflict for their entire existence. So that it's really just it's it's become that it's really just it's it's become that it's really just it's it's become the identity of the state. You know the the identity of the state. You know the the identity of the state. You know the and and unfortunately this is one of the and and unfortunately this is one of the and and unfortunately this is one of the saddest things about the whole project. saddest things about the whole project. saddest things about the whole project. And there were there were a lot of And there were there were a lot of And there were there were a lot of prominent religious Jews back in the prominent religious Jews back in the prominent religious Jews back in the early days of Zionism who feared exactly early days of Zionism who feared exactly early days of Zionism who feared exactly this that Zionism was just going to this that Zionism was just going to this that Zionism was just going to swallow Judaism whole. And it really has swallow Judaism whole. And it really has swallow Judaism whole. And it really has done that. And um what that means in done that. And um what that means in done that. And um what that means in practice is that for so many Jews, not practice is that for so many Jews, not practice is that for so many Jews, not just in Israel, but in the diaspora, just in Israel, but in the diaspora, just in Israel, but in the diaspora, um the definition Oh, here's a perfect um the definition Oh, here's a perfect um the definition Oh, here's a perfect example of it actually. There was a example of it actually. There was a example of it actually. There was a Gallup poll or a Pew poll a few years Gallup poll or a Pew poll a few years Gallup poll or a Pew poll a few years back where they pulled American Jews and back where they pulled American Jews and back where they pulled American Jews and asked them what is the most important asked them what is the most important asked them what is the most important aspect of Jewish identity and it was you aspect of Jewish identity and it was you aspect of Jewish identity and it was you know belief in the Torah, affinity for know belief in the Torah, affinity for know belief in the Torah, affinity for the state of Israel, um various val the state of Israel, um various val the state of Israel, um various val moral values and things far and away the moral values and things far and away the moral values and things far and away the number one answer like 70% was number one answer like 70% was number one answer like 70% was remembering the Holocaust remembering the Holocaust remembering the Holocaust which is another way of saying you know which is another way of saying you know which is another way of saying you know when when you when you consider like the when when you when you consider like the when when you when you consider like the Jewish understanding of the Holocaust Jewish understanding of the Holocaust Jewish understanding of the Holocaust it's not the way the Armenians it's not the way the Armenians it's not the way the Armenians understand the Armenian genocide where understand the Armenian genocide where understand the Armenian genocide where this is something that the Ottoman this is something that the Ottoman this is something that the Ottoman Empire, the Turks did to us, this is the Empire, the Turks did to us, this is the Empire, the Turks did to us, this is the culmination of what mankind has been culmination of what mankind has been culmination of what mankind has been doing to us for thousands of years doing to us for thousands of years doing to us for thousands of years since, you know, the Pharaoh and all the since, you know, the Pharaoh and all the since, you know, the Pharaoh and all the way on up through and then it culminated way on up through and then it culminated way on up through and then it culminated in this thing. So when you say in this thing. So when you say in this thing. So when you say remembering the Holocaust, what it remembering the Holocaust, what it remembering the Holocaust, what it really means is remembering what they really means is remembering what they really means is remembering what they have done to us. And when that becomes have done to us. And when that becomes have done to us. And when that becomes when when 70s something percent of you

when when 70s something percent of you when when 70s something percent of you know your entire population are know your entire population are know your entire population are answering that as the primary answering that as the primary answering that as the primary uh the the the primary fact that that uh the the the primary fact that that uh the the the primary fact that that that that is con constitutive of their that that is con constitutive of their that that is con constitutive of their identity. There are going to be identity. There are going to be identity. There are going to be consequences to that and how that consequences to that and how that consequences to that and how that identity develops and how you relate to identity develops and how you relate to identity develops and how you relate to the rest of the world. And you know it's the rest of the world. And you know it's the rest of the world. And you know it's something something something >> how do you feel about people who hate >> how do you feel about people who hate >> how do you feel about people who hate and persecute you? and persecute you? and persecute you? >> Well I I mean I know how I'm supposed to >> Well I I mean I know how I'm supposed to >> Well I I mean I know how I'm supposed to feel and how I human beings in Right. feel and how I human beings in Right. feel and how I human beings in Right. No, Christianity offers us a way out of No, Christianity offers us a way out of No, Christianity offers us a way out of this, which is [clears throat] this, which is [clears throat] this, which is [clears throat] a true blessing. But, but human a true blessing. But, but human a true blessing. But, but human instinct, all human, not just Jews or instinct, all human, not just Jews or instinct, all human, not just Jews or Israelis or Israelis or Israelis or Ottoman Turks or Armenians, like Ottoman Turks or Armenians, like Ottoman Turks or Armenians, like everybody feels, I think instinctively, everybody feels, I think instinctively, everybody feels, I think instinctively, if someone hates me and threatens me, I if someone hates me and threatens me, I if someone hates me and threatens me, I hate them back. I want to hurt them. hate them back. I want to hurt them. hate them back. I want to hurt them. >> Hatred and anger, they make >> Hatred and anger, they make >> Hatred and anger, they make >> I want to shoot the home invader. >> I want to shoot the home invader. >> I want to shoot the home invader. >> They make you strong when you feel weak. >> They make you strong when you feel weak. >> They make you strong when you feel weak. They make you um feel brave when you They make you um feel brave when you They make you um feel brave when you feel vulnerable. You know, they're feel vulnerable. You know, they're feel vulnerable. You know, they're useful emotions, but when they become useful emotions, but when they become useful emotions, but when they become again constitutive of your identity and again constitutive of your identity and again constitutive of your identity and the basic building block of your the basic building block of your the basic building block of your relationship with other people's, then relationship with other people's, then relationship with other people's, then you [clears throat] things become sort you [clears throat] things become sort you [clears throat] things become sort of self-reinforcing, you know, and and of self-reinforcing, you know, and and of self-reinforcing, you know, and and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy over time. And when you have like look, over time. And when you have like look, over time. And when you have like look, I mean, when you look at what happened I mean, when you look at what happened I mean, when you look at what happened to the Jews in World War II, to the Jews in World War II, to the Jews in World War II, it's easy to understand why there's a it's easy to understand why there's a it's easy to understand why there's a lot of collective trauma that has been lot of collective trauma that has been lot of collective trauma that has been that has been passed down. And it's you that has been passed down. And it's you that has been passed down. And it's you wouldn't expect people to be just over wouldn't expect people to be just over wouldn't expect people to be just over it, right? Um just cuz a couple it, right? Um just cuz a couple it, right? Um just cuz a couple generations.

generations. generations. >> I agree with that. >> I agree with that. >> I agree with that. >> But that also doesn't mean that it's >> But that also doesn't mean that it's >> But that also doesn't mean that it's it's healthy for them or anybody else. it's healthy for them or anybody else. it's healthy for them or anybody else. You know, you can say like uh they say You know, you can say like uh they say You know, you can say like uh they say you're not paranoid if they're really you're not paranoid if they're really you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you. And it's like well the out to get you. And it's like well the out to get you. And it's like well the thing is like no you still can be thing is like no you still can be thing is like no you still can be pathologically paranoid even if they are pathologically paranoid even if they are pathologically paranoid even if they are out even if there is something worth out even if there is something worth out even if there is something worth fearing out there. Being pathologically fearing out there. Being pathologically fearing out there. Being pathologically paranoid is still bad for you. Still has paranoid is still bad for you. Still has paranoid is still bad for you. Still has really negative effects on yourself and really negative effects on yourself and really negative effects on yourself and and your relationship to the rest of the and your relationship to the rest of the and your relationship to the rest of the world. I was talking to uh um world. I was talking to uh um world. I was talking to uh um [clears throat] who was I a common [clears throat] who was I a common [clears throat] who was I a common friend of ours. I won't say uh I won't friend of ours. I won't say uh I won't friend of ours. I won't say uh I won't say who but a common friend and uh we say who but a common friend and uh we say who but a common friend and uh we were he's Jewish and but but not um were he's Jewish and but but not um were he's Jewish and but but not um Zionist and not religiously Jewish. He Zionist and not religiously Jewish. He Zionist and not religiously Jewish. He grew up Jewish and um he mentioned that grew up Jewish and um he mentioned that grew up Jewish and um he mentioned that when he was a kid there was a period of when he was a kid there was a period of when he was a kid there was a period of time where he was afraid to take time where he was afraid to take time where he was afraid to take showers. He wouldn't take showers showers. He wouldn't take showers showers. He wouldn't take showers because his parents had drilled into him because his parents had drilled into him because his parents had drilled into him the story of the showers at Awitz and the story of the showers at Awitz and the story of the showers at Awitz and stuff. you there was an interview a few stuff. you there was an interview a few stuff. you there was an interview a few years back uh with Winona Ryder when she years back uh with Winona Ryder when she years back uh with Winona Ryder when she made um the uh TV series of that Philip made um the uh TV series of that Philip made um the uh TV series of that Philip Roth book um Plot Against America or Roth book um Plot Against America or Roth book um Plot Against America or Plot Against the United States um where Plot Against the United States um where Plot Against the United States um where she said that when she was a little girl she said that when she was a little girl she said that when she was a little girl this is a privileged American actress this is a privileged American actress this is a privileged American actress you know that when she was a little girl you know that when she was a little girl you know that when she was a little girl there was a period of years where she there was a period of years where she there was a period of years where she wouldn't sleep in her bedroom she would wouldn't sleep in her bedroom she would wouldn't sleep in her bedroom she would sleep with the lights on in the hallway sleep with the lights on in the hallway sleep with the lights on in the hallway right outside her parents' door because right outside her parents' door because right outside her parents' door because she knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that she knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that she knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that one day her neighbors, the parents of one day her neighbors, the parents of one day her neighbors, the parents of her friends were going to break down

her friends were going to break down her friends were going to break down their door and drag their family off to their door and drag their family off to their door and drag their family off to be murdered. This is a little girl and be murdered. This is a little girl and be murdered. This is a little girl and you know I I remember actually when I you know I I remember actually when I you know I I remember actually when I was at your show in Fort Worth, you were was at your show in Fort Worth, you were was at your show in Fort Worth, you were with Roseanne Bar and I remember she with Roseanne Bar and I remember she with Roseanne Bar and I remember she told you a story about how she was a told you a story about how she was a told you a story about how she was a little girl and her parents sat her down little girl and her parents sat her down little girl and her parents sat her down and we're having her watch all this and we're having her watch all this and we're having her watch all this footage of people being bulldozed into footage of people being bulldozed into footage of people being bulldozed into pits and you know all of these emaciated pits and you know all of these emaciated pits and you know all of these emaciated uh naked people you know being liberated uh naked people you know being liberated uh naked people you know being liberated from the camp. All these horrible things from the camp. All these horrible things from the camp. All these horrible things just a little tiny girl. She said it just a little tiny girl. She said it just a little tiny girl. She said it gave her like weird twitches and gave her like weird twitches and gave her like weird twitches and nightmares for years and years nightmares for years and years nightmares for years and years afterwards. And it's like, afterwards. And it's like, afterwards. And it's like, I get it on one level, right? Like those I get it on one level, right? Like those I get it on one level, right? Like those parents, all they think they're doing is parents, all they think they're doing is parents, all they think they're doing is preparing their kids to live in a in a preparing their kids to live in a in a preparing their kids to live in a in a in a dangerous world. But in a dangerous world. But in a dangerous world. But >> when you look at it from the outside, >> when you look at it from the outside, >> when you look at it from the outside, you realize like that's a form of pretty you realize like that's a form of pretty you realize like that's a form of pretty extreme child abuse that extreme child abuse that extreme child abuse that >> they're also teaching their kids to >> they're also teaching their kids to >> they're also teaching their kids to hate. Because if I I'll just speak for hate. Because if I I'll just speak for hate. Because if I I'll just speak for myself. If I felt that, and by the way, myself. If I felt that, and by the way, myself. If I felt that, and by the way, and I agree with you, I get why trauma and I agree with you, I get why trauma and I agree with you, I get why trauma persists through generations. I do. I'm persists through generations. I do. I'm persists through generations. I do. I'm sorry to sound like a liberal. I really sorry to sound like a liberal. I really sorry to sound like a liberal. I really do understand that and I think it's real do understand that and I think it's real do understand that and I think it's real and I think the trauma is real. Like and I think the trauma is real. Like and I think the trauma is real. Like awful things were done to the Jews in awful things were done to the Jews in awful things were done to the Jews in Europe. There's no doubt. But if Europe. There's no doubt. But if Europe. There's no doubt. But if somebody told me that my neighbors could somebody told me that my neighbors could somebody told me that my neighbors could rise up at any minute and kill me, I rise up at any minute and kill me, I rise up at any minute and kill me, I would hate my neighbors. I would hate would hate my neighbors. I would hate would hate my neighbors. I would hate the any nation where that was true, why the any nation where that was true, why the any nation where that was true, why wouldn't I?

wouldn't I? wouldn't I? >> I mean, really, the only answer to why >> I mean, really, the only answer to why >> I mean, really, the only answer to why wouldn't I is Christianity. wouldn't I is Christianity. wouldn't I is Christianity. >> Right. [laughter] Right. >> Right. [laughter] Right. >> Right. [laughter] Right. So um but yeah, when that starts to So um but yeah, when that starts to So um but yeah, when that starts to happen again like it it affects the way happen again like it it affects the way happen again like it it affects the way that you interact with the people that you interact with the people that you interact with the people outside your inroup and you see this outside your inroup and you see this outside your inroup and you see this again on small scales. You see it with again on small scales. You see it with again on small scales. You see it with individuals, individual people, the individuals, individual people, the individuals, individual people, the person at work who thinks everybody at person at work who thinks everybody at person at work who thinks everybody at the office is out to get them eventually the office is out to get them eventually the office is out to get them eventually nobody at the office likes that person nobody at the office likes that person nobody at the office likes that person and they kind of are out to get them and they kind of are out to get them and they kind of are out to get them because that's how they interact with because that's how they interact with because that's how they interact with with everybody. And so um that's always with everybody. And so um that's always with everybody. And so um that's always a danger. It's something that I found a danger. It's something that I found a danger. It's something that I found very strongly when I was researching uh very strongly when I was researching uh very strongly when I was researching uh different cults for my Jonestown series different cults for my Jonestown series different cults for my Jonestown series that I did. You know, that's a almost a that I did. You know, that's a almost a that I did. You know, that's a almost a universal feature is everybody everybody universal feature is everybody everybody universal feature is everybody everybody hates us. Everybody wants us destroyed hates us. Everybody wants us destroyed hates us. Everybody wants us destroyed because we have this special truth or because we have this special truth or because we have this special truth or whatever the cults thing is. Um whatever the cults thing is. Um whatever the cults thing is. Um [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> Jones told his people that >> Jones told his people that >> Jones told his people that >> they they all tell their people that you >> they they all tell their people that you >> they they all tell their people that you know and it's because the people are know and it's because the people are know and it's because the people are being held together by uh something that being held together by uh something that being held together by uh something that is really inorganic and for that to is really inorganic and for that to is really inorganic and for that to persist over time you know you like you persist over time you know you like you persist over time you know you like you can you can you can organize a group can you can you can organize a group can you can you can organize a group according to two principles right one is according to two principles right one is according to two principles right one is that there's something inside the group that there's something inside the group that there's something inside the group inside the people that pulls them inside the people that pulls them inside the people that pulls them together or they can be packed in from together or they can be packed in from together or they can be packed in from the outside because external forces are the outside because external forces are the outside because external forces are preventing you from you know from from preventing you from you know from from preventing you from you know from from escaping. It's one of the reasons that escaping. It's one of the reasons that escaping. It's one of the reasons that you see, for example, so many cults, you see, for example, so many cults, you see, for example, so many cults, organized crime, uh, elements as well, organized crime, uh, elements as well, organized crime, uh, elements as well, that one of the first things that that one of the first things that that one of the first things that they'll do as part of an initiation is they'll do as part of an initiation is they'll do as part of an initiation is get you to do something that you can't get you to do something that you can't get you to do something that you can't take back.

take back. take back. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because now it's a lot harder for you >> Because now it's a lot harder for you >> Because now it's a lot harder for you to, uh, make your way back into to, uh, make your way back into to, uh, make your way back into mainstream society um, with the mainstream society um, with the mainstream society um, with the expectation that you're going to be expectation that you're going to be expectation that you're going to be forgiven for that, right? And from an forgiven for that, right? And from an forgiven for that, right? And from an internal standpoint, um, it it lets you internal standpoint, um, it it lets you internal standpoint, um, it it lets you know that I can probably trust the know that I can probably trust the know that I can probably trust the person next to me because we're both person next to me because we're both person next to me because we're both similarly guilty. You know, that kind of similarly guilty. You know, that kind of similarly guilty. You know, that kind of thing. So, it does lead to in-group thing. So, it does lead to in-group thing. So, it does lead to in-group cohesion, but it leads to an ingroup cohesion, but it leads to an ingroup cohesion, but it leads to an ingroup cohesion that makes conflict with cohesion that makes conflict with cohesion that makes conflict with external elements basically inevitable. external elements basically inevitable. external elements basically inevitable. So, is the world getting more stable or So, is the world getting more stable or So, is the world getting more stable or less stable? That's a rhetorical less stable? That's a rhetorical less stable? That's a rhetorical question. We're not in charge of the question. We're not in charge of the question. We're not in charge of the world, unfortunately. But you are in world, unfortunately. But you are in world, unfortunately. But you are in charge of, in fact, responsible for your charge of, in fact, responsible for your charge of, in fact, responsible for your own family and your savings. So, the own family and your savings. So, the own family and your savings. So, the dollar has lost nearly a third of its dollar has lost nearly a third of its dollar has lost nearly a third of its purchasing power since 2020. That's purchasing power since 2020. That's purchasing power since 2020. That's crazy. The dollar has lost nearly a crazy. The dollar has lost nearly a crazy. The dollar has lost nearly a third of its purchasing power [music] in third of its purchasing power [music] in third of its purchasing power [music] in 6 years. You know what hasn't? Gold. 6 years. You know what hasn't? Gold. 6 years. You know what hasn't? Gold. Gold has been a trusted store of value Gold has been a trusted store of value Gold has been a trusted store of value for thousands of years. [music] And for thousands of years. [music] And for thousands of years. [music] And that's one reason you should think about that's one reason you should think about that's one reason you should think about gold right now. It's about 25% below its gold right now. It's about 25% below its gold right now. It's about 25% below its high from earlier this year, which is high from earlier this year, which is high from earlier this year, which is amazing. Some of the world's biggest amazing. Some of the world's biggest amazing. Some of the world's biggest financial institutions are making the financial institutions are making the financial institutions are making the move because gold, relative to its power move because gold, relative to its power move because gold, relative to its power and endurance as a medium [music] of and endurance as a medium [music] of and endurance as a medium [music] of exchange, is pretty cheap right now.

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hours from Morocco. hours from Morocco. And this it it in the days following it And this it it in the days following it And this it it in the days following it became really clear that this was not became really clear that this was not became really clear that this was not organic at all. that the Israeli organic at all. that the Israeli organic at all. that the Israeli government and the US government well government and the US government well government and the US government well obviously knew this was happening and obviously knew this was happening and obviously knew this was happening and and basically was both governments were and basically was both governments were and basically was both governments were using mass migration as a weapon against using mass migration as a weapon against using mass migration as a weapon against a government that they don't like for a government that they don't like for a government that they don't like for various reasons mostly because it's various reasons mostly because it's various reasons mostly because it's anti-Israel anti-Israel anti-Israel and people were shocked to discover and people were shocked to discover and people were shocked to discover this. Were you shocked to discover that? this. Were you shocked to discover that? this. Were you shocked to discover that? >> Um again kind of [laughter] I shouldn't >> Um again kind of [laughter] I shouldn't >> Um again kind of [laughter] I shouldn't I shouldn't be at this point but yeah I shouldn't be at this point but yeah I shouldn't be at this point but yeah kind of I still am always shock I I kind of I still am always shock I I kind of I still am always shock I I guess it's a good thing. I always look guess it's a good thing. I always look guess it's a good thing. I always look at it as a good thing. The fact that I'm at it as a good thing. The fact that I'm at it as a good thing. The fact that I'm still capable of being shocked. still capable of being shocked. still capable of being shocked. >> It's just the exactly the opposite of >> It's just the exactly the opposite of >> It's just the exactly the opposite of what we we've been told. We've been it's what we we've been told. We've been it's what we we've been told. We've been it's a pretty clear story that they've been a pretty clear story that they've been a pretty clear story that they've been telling propagandists in this country telling propagandists in this country telling propagandists in this country have been telling for the last I don't have been telling for the last I don't have been telling for the last I don't know 10 years at least really since 911 know 10 years at least really since 911 know 10 years at least really since 911 that we have to support Israel because that we have to support Israel because that we have to support Israel because they are the bull work against the the they are the bull work against the the they are the bull work against the the defense against what we just saw happen defense against what we just saw happen defense against what we just saw happen in Spain. like we're going to get in Spain. like we're going to get in Spain. like we're going to get overtaken by the Muslims unless we overtaken by the Muslims unless we overtaken by the Muslims unless we support Israel.

support Israel. support Israel. And here you have Israel supporting an And here you have Israel supporting an And here you have Israel supporting an invasion of a Western European country invasion of a Western European country invasion of a Western European country by Muslims, by Muslims, by Muslims, which I think has been, you know, sort which I think has been, you know, sort which I think has been, you know, sort of ongoing for generations now. Like of ongoing for generations now. Like of ongoing for generations now. Like they've been doing this for a long time. they've been doing this for a long time. they've been doing this for a long time. But most Americans kind of think we're But most Americans kind of think we're But most Americans kind of think we're on the same side, like now they're we on the same side, like now they're we on the same side, like now they're we don't want to be invaded by the Muslims don't want to be invaded by the Muslims don't want to be invaded by the Muslims and the Europeans don't and the Israelis and the Europeans don't and the Israelis and the Europeans don't and the Israelis are our ally in that. But they're not. are our ally in that. But they're not. are our ally in that. But they're not. >> Yeah. one of the one of the worst >> Yeah. one of the one of the worst >> Yeah. one of the one of the worst aspects of I mean look uh aspects of I mean look uh aspects of I mean look uh Christian civilization and and Islamic Christian civilization and and Islamic Christian civilization and and Islamic civilization are different things with civilization are different things with civilization are different things with their own geographic spheres and are you their own geographic spheres and are you their own geographic spheres and are you know um it's definitely a situation I know um it's definitely a situation I know um it's definitely a situation I think where um you know what do they say think where um you know what do they say think where um you know what do they say uh strong fences make for good neighbors uh strong fences make for good neighbors uh strong fences make for good neighbors kind of thing right we should have our kind of thing right we should have our kind of thing right we should have our own spheres and um own spheres and um own spheres and um >> I think it would be delletterious uh >> I think it would be delletterious uh >> I think it would be delletterious uh for, for, for, you know, um any European Christian you know, um any European Christian you know, um any European Christian country to uh acquire a Muslim country to uh acquire a Muslim country to uh acquire a Muslim population past a certain threshold population past a certain threshold population past a certain threshold where it becomes a a culturally where it becomes a a culturally where it becomes a a culturally separate, you know, thing that that separate, you know, thing that that separate, you know, thing that that that's that's something that's not that's that's something that's not that's that's something that's not necessarily specific to Christianity and necessarily specific to Christianity and necessarily specific to Christianity and Islam is just two different groups. And Islam is just two different groups. And Islam is just two different groups. And I so I'm not in favor of that kind of I so I'm not in favor of that kind of I so I'm not in favor of that kind of stuff and I do see the problems with the stuff and I do see the problems with the stuff and I do see the problems with the migrations. Uh but one of the saddest migrations. Uh but one of the saddest migrations. Uh but one of the saddest things and most and grossest things that things and most and grossest things that things and most and grossest things that really has come out of just the last really has come out of just the last really has come out of just the last couple years of the the recent um things couple years of the the recent um things couple years of the the recent um things going on since really since since Gaza.

going on since really since since Gaza. going on since really since since Gaza. I mean it's when you look back on it I mean it's when you look back on it I mean it's when you look back on it it's been going back uh it's gone back it's been going back uh it's gone back it's been going back uh it's gone back further than that but it's really further than that but it's really further than that but it's really intensified where as Israel has lost intensified where as Israel has lost intensified where as Israel has lost support they have really really um you support they have really really um you support they have really really um you know they've almost they they they've know they've almost they they they've know they've almost they they they've lessened the propaganda that comes from lessened the propaganda that comes from lessened the propaganda that comes from the direction of sort of justifying and the direction of sort of justifying and the direction of sort of justifying and explaining and and building up support explaining and and building up support explaining and and building up support for what they're doing and directed it for what they're doing and directed it for what they're doing and directed it instead toward just building up more and instead toward just building up more and instead toward just building up more and more hatred of Muslims and Islam in more hatred of Muslims and Islam in more hatred of Muslims and Islam in general. I mean, you see this from general. I mean, you see this from general. I mean, you see this from people like Laura Loomer and other types people like Laura Loomer and other types people like Laura Loomer and other types who their whole thing is just we need to who their whole thing is just we need to who their whole thing is just we need to get Christians to hate Muslims because get Christians to hate Muslims because get Christians to hate Muslims because if they do that then their enemies are if they do that then their enemies are if they do that then their enemies are our enemies and we don't have to think our enemies and we don't have to think our enemies and we don't have to think past that. And that's very unfortunate. past that. And that's very unfortunate. past that. And that's very unfortunate. Um yeah, I never thought I would be the Um yeah, I never thought I would be the Um yeah, I never thought I would be the defender of Muslims. It never occurred defender of Muslims. It never occurred defender of Muslims. It never occurred to me [laughter] since I'm not a Muslim to me [laughter] since I'm not a Muslim to me [laughter] since I'm not a Muslim and I'm not going to become a Muslim. and I'm not going to become a Muslim. and I'm not going to become a Muslim. >> But it's been so gross and obvious and >> But it's been so gross and obvious and >> But it's been so gross and obvious and antihuman that like at some point you antihuman that like at some point you antihuman that like at some point you have to be like I don't know. have to be like I don't know. have to be like I don't know. >> When it comes back to you know the >> When it comes back to you know the >> When it comes back to you know the universal values you were talking about. universal values you were talking about. universal values you were talking about. I mean there are certain things that I mean there are certain things that I mean there are certain things that apply no matter who is standing across apply no matter who is standing across apply no matter who is standing across from you. from you. from you. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> And if you believe that then I mean a >> And if you believe that then I mean a >> And if you believe that then I mean a lot of this comes down to just personal lot of this comes down to just personal lot of this comes down to just personal experience too. I mean I spent a lot of experience too. I mean I spent a lot of experience too. I mean I spent a lot of time in the Middle East. I known um a time in the Middle East. I known um a time in the Middle East. I known um a lot of the Muslim community down in like lot of the Muslim community down in like lot of the Muslim community down in like the South LA Orange County area. And the South LA Orange County area. And the South LA Orange County area. And after a while like you know once the the after a while like you know once the the after a while like you know once the the mystification you know the fog sort of mystification you know the fog sort of mystification you know the fog sort of starts to to part you realize yeah there starts to to part you realize yeah there starts to to part you realize yeah there there differences for sure cultural there differences for sure cultural there differences for sure cultural differences and things but they're just differences and things but they're just differences and things but they're just people. And I think most Americans have people. And I think most Americans have people. And I think most Americans have very little if any experience with very little if any experience with very little if any experience with >> I feel that way about Jews or Bahigh or >> I feel that way about Jews or Bahigh or >> I feel that way about Jews or Bahigh or I don't know that hate all Muslims I

I don't know that hate all Muslims I I don't know that hate all Muslims I don't know why that's better than hate don't know why that's better than hate don't know why that's better than hate all Jews. I just don't it's the same to all Jews. I just don't it's the same to all Jews. I just don't it's the same to me. me. me. >> Of course. Yeah. Of course it it is the >> Of course. Yeah. Of course it it is the >> Of course. Yeah. Of course it it is the same. I mean obviously it is the same. same. I mean obviously it is the same. same. I mean obviously it is the same. So, um, it's really hard for I mean, So, um, it's really hard for I mean, So, um, it's really hard for I mean, when you think about Christianity, like when you think about Christianity, like when you think about Christianity, like the hardest the hardest command in the hardest the hardest command in the hardest the hardest command in Christianity, well, the hardest command Christianity, well, the hardest command Christianity, well, the hardest command in any world religion that's ever been in any world religion that's ever been in any world religion that's ever been made is love your enemy. And so, to be made is love your enemy. And so, to be made is love your enemy. And so, to be able to recognize that somebody is your able to recognize that somebody is your able to recognize that somebody is your enemy, that their interests are enemy, that their interests are enemy, that their interests are fundamentally contradictory to yours, fundamentally contradictory to yours, fundamentally contradictory to yours, and that you have to be prepared to and that you have to be prepared to and that you have to be prepared to defend your interests, but not allow defend your interests, but not allow defend your interests, but not allow that to escalate to hatred for this that to escalate to hatred for this that to escalate to hatred for this creature of God that's across from you. creature of God that's across from you. creature of God that's across from you. I mean that's something that um again is I mean that's something that um again is I mean that's something that um again is built very deeply into our hearts. Even built very deeply into our hearts. Even built very deeply into our hearts. Even people who consider themselves atheists people who consider themselves atheists people who consider themselves atheists I think to a degree very often still I think to a degree very often still I think to a degree very often still have that built into them. Um have that built into them. Um have that built into them. Um but it's a mistake to think that you but it's a mistake to think that you but it's a mistake to think that you know to extrapolate that and think that know to extrapolate that and think that know to extrapolate that and think that everybody in the world certainly everybody in the world certainly everybody in the world certainly throughout history but even today um throughout history but even today um throughout history but even today um [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] sees sees things that way because they sees sees things that way because they sees sees things that way because they don't. And um don't. And um don't. And um yeah, again I think it's I think it's uh yeah, again I think it's I think it's uh yeah, again I think it's I think it's uh >> but that is western civilization, isn't >> but that is western civilization, isn't >> but that is western civilization, isn't it?

it? it? >> Yeah, it defines it. Absolutely. >> Yeah, it defines it. Absolutely. >> Yeah, it defines it. Absolutely. >> And that's not just some random line in >> And that's not just some random line in >> And that's not just some random line in the New Testament. That's a repeated the New Testament. That's a repeated the New Testament. That's a repeated command from Jesus. Repeated. It goes on command from Jesus. Repeated. It goes on command from Jesus. Repeated. It goes on about it. And if you only love those who about it. And if you only love those who about it. And if you only love those who love you, how are you different from the love you, how are you different from the love you, how are you different from the pagans? That's easy. pagans? That's easy. pagans? That's easy. >> Yeah. And we have no excuse you know for >> Yeah. And we have no excuse you know for >> Yeah. And we have no excuse you know for um you know particular like we can't use um you know particular like we can't use um you know particular like we can't use particular circumstances as an excuse particular circumstances as an excuse particular circumstances as an excuse when uh he gave us the example and when uh he gave us the example and when uh he gave us the example and prayed for you know the people who were prayed for you know the people who were prayed for you know the people who were in the process of crucifying him and so in the process of crucifying him and so in the process of crucifying him and so we have no excuse you know to allow that we have no excuse you know to allow that we have no excuse you know to allow that to build up in our hearts and we have to to build up in our hearts and we have to to build up in our hearts and we have to fight it and very often I mean that is fight it and very often I mean that is fight it and very often I mean that is it becomes one of the you know like you it becomes one of the you know like you it becomes one of the you know like you can you can survive a war physically you can you can survive a war physically you can you can survive a war physically you can even win a war and still can even win a war and still can even win a war and still have it do so much spiritual damage to have it do so much spiritual damage to have it do so much spiritual damage to you over time that the the victory is you over time that the the victory is you over time that the the victory is hollow. hollow. hollow. >> I'm from a country that did that, so I'm >> I'm from a country that did that, so I'm >> I'm from a country that did that, so I'm I'm aware. You end the war by nuking a I'm aware. You end the war by nuking a I'm aware. You end the war by nuking a population and then you never apologize population and then you never apologize population and then you never apologize for it and pretend it was the right for it and pretend it was the right for it and pretend it was the right thing when it's primapacia repulsive.

thing when it's primapacia repulsive. thing when it's primapacia repulsive. And look what happens to your society And look what happens to your society And look what happens to your society when you do that. when you do that. when you do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um you know it's I I >> Yeah. Yeah. And um you know it's I I >> Yeah. Yeah. And um you know it's I I think that think that think that you know the the the the postworld war you know the the the the postworld war you know the the the the postworld war II sort of post Nuremberg society that II sort of post Nuremberg society that II sort of post Nuremberg society that we live in is very much a I mean if you we live in is very much a I mean if you we live in is very much a I mean if you if you if you look at the effects of our if you if you look at the effects of our if you if you look at the effects of our policies uh and and the cultural policies uh and and the cultural policies uh and and the cultural tendencies that have been imposed you tendencies that have been imposed you tendencies that have been imposed you know it was much easier obviously know it was much easier obviously know it was much easier obviously throughout most of the 20th century to throughout most of the 20th century to throughout most of the 20th century to impose uh cultural norms from above impose uh cultural norms from above impose uh cultural norms from above because u mass media was still in because u mass media was still in because u mass media was still in general trusted by most people and um it general trusted by most people and um it general trusted by most people and um it was controlled by very few interests and was controlled by very few interests and was controlled by very few interests and so we were all sort of sh so we were all sort of sh so we were all sort of sh [clears throat] excuse me we were all [clears throat] excuse me we were all [clears throat] excuse me we were all sort of sharing the same couple of sort of sharing the same couple of sort of sharing the same couple of dreams you know and participating in the dreams you know and participating in the dreams you know and participating in the same couple of uh imaginaries same couple of uh imaginaries same couple of uh imaginaries and um the general thrust of that and and um the general thrust of that and and um the general thrust of that and this comes back to what's going on in this comes back to what's going on in this comes back to what's going on in Spain and Europe in general and in the Spain and Europe in general and in the Spain and Europe in general and in the United States is that for a people to United States is that for a people to United States is that for a people to live historically meaning to feel live historically meaning to feel live historically meaning to feel themselves as part of a chain of being themselves as part of a chain of being themselves as part of a chain of being that stretches back before they were that stretches back before they were that stretches back before they were born and and will [clears throat] go on born and and will [clears throat] go on born and and will [clears throat] go on after they live. That that is actually after they live. That that is actually after they live. That that is actually something that is very dangerous and something that is very dangerous and something that is very dangerous and that is something to be broken down and that is something to be broken down and that is something to be broken down and destroyed. I'm writing a forward for a destroyed. I'm writing a forward for a destroyed. I'm writing a forward for a book. You know, this is I always tell book. You know, this is I always tell book. You know, this is I always tell people that um you got to read you got people that um you got to read you got people that um you got to read you got to read everything. You got to read to read everything. You got to read to read everything. You got to read stuff even by people who you know uh all stuff even by people who you know uh all stuff even by people who you know uh all your friends or maybe even you think of your friends or maybe even you think of your friends or maybe even you think of as uh you know on the extreme side. I'm as uh you know on the extreme side. I'm as uh you know on the extreme side. I'm uh I'm writing the forward for a book on

uh I'm writing the forward for a book on uh I'm writing the forward for a book on the Nuremberg system right now by uh an the Nuremberg system right now by uh an the Nuremberg system right now by uh an author Thomas Seir and it's um you know author Thomas Seir and it's um you know author Thomas Seir and it's um you know he's a he's a he's a he he rocks his leather jacket with Iron he he rocks his leather jacket with Iron he he rocks his leather jacket with Iron Cross you know patches on it walking Cross you know patches on it walking Cross you know patches on it walking around the streets of Chicago right so around the streets of Chicago right so around the streets of Chicago right so like most people would think wow that's like most people would think wow that's like most people would think wow that's an that's an extreme dude and he kind of an that's an extreme dude and he kind of an that's an extreme dude and he kind of is in certain ways but he's he's a dude is in certain ways but he's he's a dude is in certain ways but he's he's a dude who wakes up with a book in his face who wakes up with a book in his face who wakes up with a book in his face goes to sleep with a book in his face goes to sleep with a book in his face goes to sleep with a book in his face and uh reads the entire time in between. and uh reads the entire time in between. and uh reads the entire time in between. and he's a good writer and a good and he's a good writer and a good and he's a good writer and a good researcher and just a a very smart guy. researcher and just a a very smart guy. researcher and just a a very smart guy. He's worth reading. He's one of those He's worth reading. He's one of those He's worth reading. He's one of those guys who would not have been available guys who would not have been available guys who would not have been available to any of us to read um until very to any of us to read um until very to any of us to read um until very recently. You know, that's one good recently. You know, that's one good recently. You know, that's one good thing that the internet has done. It's thing that the internet has done. It's thing that the internet has done. It's broken apart that broken apart that broken apart that >> when you say the Nermberg system, what >> when you say the Nermberg system, what >> when you say the Nermberg system, what does that mean? does that mean? does that mean? >> It means um well, there's a lot of >> It means um well, there's a lot of >> It means um well, there's a lot of elements to it having to do with elements to it having to do with elements to it having to do with geopolitics and warfare. But from the geopolitics and warfare. But from the geopolitics and warfare. But from the standpoint that we're talking about standpoint that we're talking about standpoint that we're talking about right now, you know, it's this idea that right now, you know, it's this idea that right now, you know, it's this idea that um um um for people to live historically in the for people to live historically in the for people to live historically in the sense that I just described it is sense that I just described it is sense that I just described it is something that is dangerous and to be something that is dangerous and to be something that is dangerous and to be targeted and broken down. And you saw targeted and broken down. And you saw targeted and broken down. And you saw this this this >> really on >> really on >> really on domestic social levels. I mean, you see, domestic social levels. I mean, you see, domestic social levels. I mean, you see, I mean, it's not as if that left-wing I mean, it's not as if that left-wing I mean, it's not as if that left-wing government in Spain is not part of the government in Spain is not part of the government in Spain is not part of the problem. You know, they clearly are. Um, problem. You know, they clearly are. Um, problem. You know, they clearly are. Um, but here in the United States, you know, but here in the United States, you know, but here in the United States, you know, you saw the effects of it over the you saw the effects of it over the you saw the effects of it over the course of the second half of the 20th course of the second half of the 20th course of the second half of the 20th century where, you know, you had our century where, you know, you had our century where, you know, you had our cities back in the day that were sort of cities back in the day that were sort of cities back in the day that were sort of these organic communities with uh these organic communities with uh these organic communities with uh separate neighborhoods divided by

separate neighborhoods divided by separate neighborhoods divided by ethnicity and religion that uh were not ethnicity and religion that uh were not ethnicity and religion that uh were not in conflict with one another. They had in conflict with one another. They had in conflict with one another. They had arrived at compromises over the years arrived at compromises over the years arrived at compromises over the years and ran their cities in an organic way. and ran their cities in an organic way. and ran their cities in an organic way. And people were part of, you know, they And people were part of, you know, they And people were part of, you know, they were plugged into communities that were plugged into communities that were plugged into communities that watched them be born and that would watched them be born and that would watched them be born and that would watch them die and that their kids would watch them die and that their kids would watch them die and that their kids would grow up in and know that their kids were grow up in and know that their kids were grow up in and know that their kids were going to grow up in. And they sense going to grow up in. And they sense going to grow up in. And they sense themselves as these people, you know, themselves as these people, you know, themselves as these people, you know, they understood themselves as part of they understood themselves as part of they understood themselves as part of this living community that was going to this living community that was going to this living community that was going to continue on afterwards. So it was continue on afterwards. So it was continue on afterwards. So it was important for them to uh make sure that important for them to uh make sure that important for them to uh make sure that the things they inherited were given to the things they inherited were given to the things they inherited were given to the people that uh that that that came the people that uh that that that came the people that uh that that that came along after their period of stewardship. along after their period of stewardship. along after their period of stewardship. And um in And um in And um in over the course of the second half of over the course of the second half of over the course of the second half of the 20th century, I mean it was official the 20th century, I mean it was official the 20th century, I mean it was official US government policy essentially to use US government policy essentially to use US government policy essentially to use mass migration generally of mass migration generally of mass migration generally of African-Americans from the south as African-Americans from the south as African-Americans from the south as bludge and weapons to go in and break bludge and weapons to go in and break bludge and weapons to go in and break these communities up and drive these these communities up and drive these these communities up and drive these people out to the suburbs, drive them people out to the suburbs, drive them people out to the suburbs, drive them out to other areas where you know that out to other areas where you know that out to other areas where you know that old parish church that used to be all, old parish church that used to be all, old parish church that used to be all, you know, Italian Catholics, you go you know, Italian Catholics, you go you know, Italian Catholics, you go drive through there now in Newark and drive through there now in Newark and drive through there now in Newark and it's maybe some old grandmas who are it's maybe some old grandmas who are it's maybe some old grandmas who are still there, but everybody else lives 45 still there, but everybody else lives 45 still there, but everybody else lives 45 minutes away now, so nobody goes there minutes away now, so nobody goes there minutes away now, so nobody goes there anymore. And all of those communities anymore. And all of those communities anymore. And all of those communities were broken up by force very often and were broken up by force very often and were broken up by force very often and through violence indirectly um on through violence indirectly um on through violence indirectly um on purpose. And it was because they were purpose. And it was because they were purpose. And it was because they were looked at as something that was looked at as something that was looked at as something that was potentially um you know that that that potentially um you know that that that potentially um you know that that that that when people are living in a way that when people are living in a way that when people are living in a way where they sense themselves as part of a where they sense themselves as part of a where they sense themselves as part of a larger project. The idea after World War

larger project. The idea after World War larger project. The idea after World War II was that that can and in fact will II was that that can and in fact will II was that that can and in fact will almost inevitably get out of hand and almost inevitably get out of hand and almost inevitably get out of hand and out of out of uh out of out of uh out of out of uh >> can't get out of hand in what way? >> can't get out of hand in what way? >> can't get out of hand in what way? >> Well, the way that the the Germans got >> Well, the way that the the Germans got >> Well, the way that the the Germans got out of hand. I mean, that's you know the out of hand. I mean, that's you know the out of hand. I mean, that's you know the idea that they start taking themselves idea that they start taking themselves idea that they start taking themselves too seriously and thinking of their too seriously and thinking of their too seriously and thinking of their historical mission too seriously and historical mission too seriously and historical mission too seriously and they start to act on it in the world in they start to act on it in the world in they start to act on it in the world in a way that is dangerous to other to a way that is dangerous to other to a way that is dangerous to other to others. That was that that was the idea, others. That was that that was the idea, others. That was that that was the idea, right? And of course the there's only right? And of course the there's only right? And of course the there's only one group at least in the western world one group at least in the western world one group at least in the western world that we decided that that doesn't apply that we decided that that doesn't apply that we decided that that doesn't apply to and it's because they were the ones to and it's because they were the ones to and it's because they were the ones who were the victims of the Germans. So who were the victims of the Germans. So who were the victims of the Germans. So the Israelis, the Jewish people in the Israelis, the Jewish people in the Israelis, the Jewish people in general very much live historically and general very much live historically and general very much live historically and their right to do that and ability to do their right to do that and ability to do their right to do that and ability to do that is that is that is you know it you could say it's the you know it you could say it's the you know it you could say it's the the central and primary certainly uh the central and primary certainly uh the central and primary certainly uh foreign policy but even even with a lot foreign policy but even even with a lot foreign policy but even even with a lot of domestic policies mission of the US of domestic policies mission of the US of domestic policies mission of the US government and the sort of Western government and the sort of Western government and the sort of Western European NATO system in general it's a European NATO system in general it's a European NATO system in general it's a central focus of that which is very central focus of that which is very central focus of that which is very strange when you think about it until strange when you think about it until strange when you think about it until you realize that we're we're living in you realize that we're we're living in you realize that we're we're living in the aftermath of of of Nuremberg. We're the aftermath of of of Nuremberg. We're the aftermath of of of Nuremberg. We're living in the aftermath of the Second living in the aftermath of the Second living in the aftermath of the Second World War and we're probably coming up World War and we're probably coming up World War and we're probably coming up to the end of that cycle right now. I to the end of that cycle right now. I to the end of that cycle right now. I think that we're, you know, we're think that we're, you know, we're think that we're, you know, we're reaching the point where everybody who reaching the point where everybody who reaching the point where everybody who was around back then is gone. People who was around back then is gone. People who was around back then is gone. People who remember it directly and who have the remember it directly and who have the remember it directly and who have the real enthusiasm for it that was born out real enthusiasm for it that was born out real enthusiasm for it that was born out of direct experience um is probably of direct experience um is probably of direct experience um is probably fading away. That seems to be the fading away. That seems to be the fading away. That seems to be the historical cycle every 80 to 100 years,

historical cycle every 80 to 100 years, historical cycle every 80 to 100 years, you know. um things blow up again and you know. um things blow up again and you know. um things blow up again and the crisis and and trauma of that the crisis and and trauma of that the crisis and and trauma of that explosion uh sort of shapes the four explosion uh sort of shapes the four explosion uh sort of shapes the four generations that are alive during that generations that are alive during that generations that are alive during that period. You know, you were either a period. You know, you were either a period. You know, you were either a young man who had to deal with it, you young man who had to deal with it, you young man who had to deal with it, you were a kid who watched your father deal were a kid who watched your father deal were a kid who watched your father deal with it, you were an old man who, you with it, you were an old man who, you with it, you were an old man who, you know, and so as people go through the know, and so as people go through the know, and so as people go through the rest of their lives and they mature into rest of their lives and they mature into rest of their lives and they mature into the um into other stages of life, they the um into other stages of life, they the um into other stages of life, they carry that with them and it really carry that with them and it really carry that with them and it really shapes who people are for 80 to 100 shapes who people are for 80 to 100 shapes who people are for 80 to 100 years or so. And um the second world war years or so. And um the second world war years or so. And um the second world war at least the myth of the second world at least the myth of the second world at least the myth of the second world war um and by myth I don't mean you know war um and by myth I don't mean you know war um and by myth I don't mean you know that it's a lie that's something that that it's a lie that's something that that it's a lie that's something that didn't happen but you know something didn't happen but you know something didn't happen but you know something that has taken shape in the in the that has taken shape in the in the that has taken shape in the in the cultural consciousness in a in in a in a cultural consciousness in a in in a in a cultural consciousness in a in in a in a way that that [snorts] way that that [snorts] way that that [snorts] um that explains to people why things um that explains to people why things um that explains to people why things are the way they are. Why power are the way they are. Why power are the way they are. Why power arrangements that exist now are are arrangements that exist now are are arrangements that exist now are are necessary all of necessary all of necessary all of >> and legitimate >> and legitimate >> and legitimate >> and legitimate. Right. It underlies the >> and legitimate. Right. It underlies the >> and legitimate. Right. It underlies the legitimacy. Exactly. And you know, I legitimacy. Exactly. And you know, I legitimacy. Exactly. And you know, I think I said this on the episode that we think I said this on the episode that we think I said this on the episode that we had that that got us in so much trouble, had that that got us in so much trouble, had that that got us in so much trouble, but but but >> um >> um >> um >> you said nothing wrongial.

>> you said nothing wrongial. >> you said nothing wrongial. I've never in 35 years of interviewing I've never in 35 years of interviewing I've never in 35 years of interviewing people, I've never had an interview so people, I've never had an interview so people, I've never had an interview so mischaracterized with that level of mischaracterized with that level of mischaracterized with that level of hysteria. It was like crazy. hysteria. It was like crazy. hysteria. It was like crazy. >> I would tell everyone who barked at me >> I would tell everyone who barked at me >> I would tell everyone who barked at me like actually Daryl Cooper is a very like actually Daryl Cooper is a very like actually Daryl Cooper is a very moderate kind of liberal-minded man moderate kind of liberal-minded man moderate kind of liberal-minded man who's like means malice toward no one, who's like means malice toward no one, who's like means malice toward no one, wouldn't hurt anyone ever. Like what are wouldn't hurt anyone ever. Like what are wouldn't hurt anyone ever. Like what are you even talking about? That was crazy. you even talking about? That was crazy. you even talking about? That was crazy. >> Yeah, it was it was an interesting >> Yeah, it was it was an interesting >> Yeah, it was it was an interesting experience for sure. I've seen it happen experience for sure. I've seen it happen experience for sure. I've seen it happen to other people, but when it happens to to other people, but when it happens to to other people, but when it happens to you, it's um it's you, it's um it's you, it's um it's >> But I've never seen it happen on the >> But I've never seen it happen on the >> But I've never seen it happen on the basis of less. [laughter] basis of less. [laughter] basis of less. [laughter] >> Yeah. And with such a level with such a >> Yeah. And with such a level with such a >> Yeah. And with such a level with such a level of ferocity, too. Crazy. Well, it level of ferocity, too. Crazy. Well, it level of ferocity, too. Crazy. Well, it just tells you a hurt dog barks. Like just tells you a hurt dog barks. Like just tells you a hurt dog barks. Like the lies that have attached like the lies that have attached like the lies that have attached like barnacles to the World War II story barnacles to the World War II story barnacles to the World War II story define our lives and do lend legitimacy define our lives and do lend legitimacy define our lives and do lend legitimacy to projects that are inherently to projects that are inherently to projects that are inherently illegitimate and anti-human and harmful. illegitimate and anti-human and harmful. illegitimate and anti-human and harmful. The post-war system is a disaster. I The post-war system is a disaster. I The post-war system is a disaster. I don't know if it's a worse disaster than don't know if it's a worse disaster than don't know if it's a worse disaster than the war itself, but it's certainly a the war itself, but it's certainly a the war itself, but it's certainly a disaster. Completely destroyed Western disaster. Completely destroyed Western disaster. Completely destroyed Western civilization. I don't know if it's civilization. I don't know if it's civilization. I don't know if it's fixable. And so I guess if you're one of fixable. And so I guess if you're one of fixable. And so I guess if you're one of the rare beneficiaries of that monstrous the rare beneficiaries of that monstrous the rare beneficiaries of that monstrous system, uh you know, you've got a lot at system, uh you know, you've got a lot at system, uh you know, you've got a lot at stake.

stake. stake. >> Absolutely. And um you know, the World >> Absolutely. And um you know, the World >> Absolutely. And um you know, the World War II narrative is is one that uh War II narrative is is one that uh War II narrative is is one that uh well, just look at the uh look at the well, just look at the uh look at the well, just look at the uh look at the response that we had in that episode to response that we had in that episode to response that we had in that episode to something that I said that I thought was something that I said that I thought was something that I said that I thought was fairly anodine. I could have put it in fairly anodine. I could have put it in fairly anodine. I could have put it in uh less punitive terms, I guess, with a uh less punitive terms, I guess, with a uh less punitive terms, I guess, with a nod to all of my English friends out nod to all of my English friends out nod to all of my English friends out there, but um but the content of what we there, but um but the content of what we there, but um but the content of what we were talking about was not anything were talking about was not anything were talking about was not anything particularly extreme that you can't find particularly extreme that you can't find particularly extreme that you can't find in in AP Taylor or Pat Buchanan or in in AP Taylor or Pat Buchanan or in in AP Taylor or Pat Buchanan or something like that. Um, but when you something like that. Um, but when you something like that. Um, but when you have a a a topic, a historical topic have a a a topic, a historical topic have a a a topic, a historical topic that the slightest deviation can provoke that the slightest deviation can provoke that the slightest deviation can provoke that kind of a response that sends a that kind of a response that sends a that kind of a response that sends a message out to everybody of how they message out to everybody of how they message out to everybody of how they have to handle this topic. You know, have to handle this topic. You know, have to handle this topic. You know, there set about with taboss and, you there set about with taboss and, you there set about with taboss and, you know, forbidden areas that you're not know, forbidden areas that you're not know, forbidden areas that you're not supposed to. supposed to. supposed to. >> You don't have to live like a slave >> You don't have to live like a slave >> You don't have to live like a slave anymore. anymore. anymore. >> Yeah, that's dangerous, right? And so, >> Yeah, that's dangerous, right? And so, >> Yeah, that's dangerous, right? And so, but when that happens, you're naturally but when that happens, you're naturally but when that happens, you're naturally I mean, this is going it's naturally I mean, this is going it's naturally I mean, this is going it's naturally going to be a topic that is just going to be a topic that is just going to be a topic that is just incredibly fertile because you have incredibly fertile because you have incredibly fertile because you have something that is relatively recent something that is relatively recent something that is relatively recent history that we have a ton of history that we have a ton of history that we have a ton of documentation on that most people still documentation on that most people still documentation on that most people still know very little about what actually know very little about what actually know very little about what actually happened. And what they do know, a lot happened. And what they do know, a lot happened. And what they do know, a lot of it is not true or it's or it's, you of it is not true or it's or it's, you of it is not true or it's or it's, you know, true in a way that um doesn't know, true in a way that um doesn't know, true in a way that um doesn't necessarily uh prove the point that necessarily uh prove the point that necessarily uh prove the point that they've been taught to think that it they've been taught to think that it they've been taught to think that it proves, you know, and so um it's I mean proves, you know, and so um it's I mean proves, you know, and so um it's I mean I I figure we probably used to have uh

I I figure we probably used to have uh I I figure we probably used to have uh you know, we we we we probably used to you know, we we we we probably used to you know, we we we we probably used to have similar myths around the American have similar myths around the American have similar myths around the American Revolution and things like that, but as Revolution and things like that, but as Revolution and things like that, but as our demographies changed over time, our demographies changed over time, our demographies changed over time, nobody really cares if you slander nobody really cares if you slander nobody really cares if you slander George. No one ever went to jail for George. No one ever went to jail for George. No one ever went to jail for having different views on the American having different views on the American having different views on the American Revolution. Okay, just to be clear. Revolution. Okay, just to be clear. Revolution. Okay, just to be clear. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Indeed. And so, um, you know, to me, >> Indeed. And so, um, you know, to me, >> Indeed. And so, um, you know, to me, look, every society, we need our myths. look, every society, we need our myths. look, every society, we need our myths. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> Right. Um, but those myths, you have to, >> Right. Um, but those myths, you have to, >> Right. Um, but those myths, you have to, it comes back to what purpose they're it comes back to what purpose they're it comes back to what purpose they're serving. And there was a period of time serving. And there was a period of time serving. And there was a period of time throughout the 20th century that maybe throughout the 20th century that maybe throughout the 20th century that maybe you could have said the World War II you could have said the World War II you could have said the World War II myth. Um, look, there there's something myth. Um, look, there there's something myth. Um, look, there there's something to the idea that uh really over the to the idea that uh really over the to the idea that uh really over the course of a single generation, we had course of a single generation, we had course of a single generation, we had this moral revolution that made it so this moral revolution that made it so this moral revolution that made it so that, you know, virtually everywhere, I that, you know, virtually everywhere, I that, you know, virtually everywhere, I mean, you go down to Birmingham, Alabama mean, you go down to Birmingham, Alabama mean, you go down to Birmingham, Alabama in 2026 and you drop an Nbomb in a in 2026 and you drop an Nbomb in a in 2026 and you drop an Nbomb in a 7-Eleven and it's going to be a bunch of 7-Eleven and it's going to be a bunch of 7-Eleven and it's going to be a bunch of white people in there are going to look white people in there are going to look white people in there are going to look at you like, are you crazy? We don't say at you like, are you crazy? We don't say at you like, are you crazy? We don't say that anymore. Like, what are you talking that anymore. Like, what are you talking that anymore. Like, what are you talking about? And so that's a moral revolution about? And so that's a moral revolution about? And so that's a moral revolution that um in part grew out of the Second that um in part grew out of the Second that um in part grew out of the Second World War and the the myth of the Second World War and the the myth of the Second World War and the the myth of the Second World War and what it was about um that World War and what it was about um that World War and what it was about um that you would look at and say uh you know it you would look at and say uh you know it you would look at and say uh you know it was a positive development. It softened was a positive development. It softened was a positive development. It softened the way people look at out groups and the way people look at out groups and the way people look at out groups and things. Great. But what does that myth things. Great. But what does that myth things. Great. But what does that myth what purposes does it serve now?

what purposes does it serve now? what purposes does it serve now? >> Well, and what's the fruit of it? So >> Well, and what's the fruit of it? So >> Well, and what's the fruit of it? So Selma, Alabama is much worse than it was Selma, Alabama is much worse than it was Selma, Alabama is much worse than it was in 1965. like for the people who for the in 1965. like for the people who for the in 1965. like for the people who for the black people who live there. Britain is black people who live there. Britain is black people who live there. Britain is much worse than it was in 1945. So is much worse than it was in 1945. So is much worse than it was in 1945. So is the United States. So if the system the United States. So if the system the United States. So if the system produces human misery and death, failure produces human misery and death, failure produces human misery and death, failure to thrive, debt, then like it's not to thrive, debt, then like it's not to thrive, debt, then like it's not legitimate. Like do you know what I legitimate. Like do you know what I legitimate. Like do you know what I mean? Like I'm all about mean? Like I'm all about mean? Like I'm all about politeness in the face of myths. like I politeness in the face of myths. like I politeness in the face of myths. like I I'm not running around attacking I'm not running around attacking I'm not running around attacking >> which is why I do feel I like I feel >> which is why I do feel I like I feel >> which is why I do feel I like I feel >> anybody else's religion >> anybody else's religion >> anybody else's religion >> when I made those comments about >> when I made those comments about >> when I made those comments about Churchill on that one as anodine as I Churchill on that one as anodine as I Churchill on that one as anodine as I think they were afterwards I was like I think they were afterwards I was like I think they were afterwards I was like I I did wish I hadn't put it that way I did wish I hadn't put it that way I did wish I hadn't put it that way because there are people out there that because there are people out there that because there are people out there that you know what I mean I wouldn't I don't you know what I mean I wouldn't I don't you know what I mean I wouldn't I don't necessarily love uh FDR Abraham Lincoln necessarily love uh FDR Abraham Lincoln necessarily love uh FDR Abraham Lincoln but but but >> FDR actually deserved a lot more >> FDR actually deserved a lot more >> FDR actually deserved a lot more >> but I don't but but I don't want to hear >> but I don't but but I don't want to hear >> but I don't but but I don't want to hear you know some Frenchman talking smack you know some Frenchman talking smack you know some Frenchman talking smack about him so I get that about him so I get that about him so I get that >> I I get it no but the point is like you >> I I get it no but the point is like you >> I I get it no but the point is like you go along with certain things Maybe it's go along with certain things Maybe it's go along with certain things Maybe it's not fully true or it's mischaracterized not fully true or it's mischaracterized not fully true or it's mischaracterized or whatever, but like it's working. It or whatever, but like it's working. It or whatever, but like it's working. It it inspires empathy between people and it inspires empathy between people and it inspires empathy between people and we get along better. And like I don't we get along better. And like I don't we get along better. And like I don't think you should call the fat girl fat.

think you should call the fat girl fat. think you should call the fat girl fat. Actually, I think you should refrain Actually, I think you should refrain Actually, I think you should refrain from saying obvious things in the from saying obvious things in the from saying obvious things in the service of human understanding. Like I'm service of human understanding. Like I'm service of human understanding. Like I'm not for using the n-word actually. Just not for using the n-word actually. Just not for using the n-word actually. Just I'm just not. I never have. I'm never I'm just not. I never have. I'm never I'm just not. I never have. I'm never going to. Like I get all that. But if going to. Like I get all that. But if going to. Like I get all that. But if obeying the lie, pretending to agree obeying the lie, pretending to agree obeying the lie, pretending to agree with the lie gets you modern Britain or with the lie gets you modern Britain or with the lie gets you modern Britain or modern Germany or modern America for modern Germany or modern America for modern Germany or modern America for that matter, like why are we going along that matter, like why are we going along that matter, like why are we going along with this? This is all like this is what with this? This is all like this is what with this? This is all like this is what you get when you go along with a lie. you get when you go along with a lie. you get when you go along with a lie. Misery. So no, Misery. So no, Misery. So no, >> is that you saying >> is that you saying >> is that you saying >> I mean I think one of the one of the >> I mean I think one of the one of the >> I mean I think one of the one of the things that happened is that it it things that happened is that it it things that happened is that it it happened so rapidly really over the happened so rapidly really over the happened so rapidly really over the course of a single generation. Yes. course of a single generation. Yes. course of a single generation. Yes. since the 1960s that by the time anybody since the 1960s that by the time anybody since the 1960s that by the time anybody even realized what was going on, even realized what was going on, even realized what was going on, >> they found themselves in circumstances >> they found themselves in circumstances >> they found themselves in circumstances that that that the measures the the severity of the the measures the the severity of the the measures the the severity of the measures that would be necessary to measures that would be necessary to measures that would be necessary to correct the error are so great that they correct the error are so great that they correct the error are so great that they violate all of these violate all of these violate all of these >> all of these landmines that have been >> all of these landmines that have been >> all of these landmines that have been planted in our heads since earliest planted in our heads since earliest planted in our heads since earliest education. you know, of again to go back education. you know, of again to go back education. you know, of again to go back to what purpose is the myth serving. If to what purpose is the myth serving. If to what purpose is the myth serving. If you want to do something about the fact you want to do something about the fact you want to do something about the fact that your people uh and I'll and I'll that your people uh and I'll and I'll that your people uh and I'll and I'll speak about like European countries speak about like European countries speak about like European countries because we have a little bit different because we have a little bit different because we have a little bit different situation here in America, but you know, situation here in America, but you know, situation here in America, but you know, if you go to Ireland or some place like if you go to Ireland or some place like if you go to Ireland or some place like that that these are real people. This is that that these are real people. This is that that these are real people. This is a people who have existed for thousands a people who have existed for thousands a people who have existed for thousands of years as a as a bloodline, as a of years as a as a bloodline, as a of years as a as a bloodline, as a nation, um and they're about to lose

nation, um and they're about to lose nation, um and they're about to lose their homeland permanently. that if you their homeland permanently. that if you their homeland permanently. that if you oppose that and want to take measures to oppose that and want to take measures to oppose that and want to take measures to correct it, well, you're a Nazi. You're correct it, well, you're a Nazi. You're correct it, well, you're a Nazi. You're Adolf Hitler. And that's the myth that Adolf Hitler. And that's the myth that Adolf Hitler. And that's the myth that that's the purpose that that myth that's the purpose that that myth that's the purpose that that myth serves. Now, along with, of course, like serves. Now, along with, of course, like serves. Now, along with, of course, like uh legitimizing uh legitimizing uh legitimizing the American Zionist Empire around the the American Zionist Empire around the the American Zionist Empire around the around the world, things like that. around the world, things like that. around the world, things like that. There's geostrategic and other other There's geostrategic and other other There's geostrategic and other other purposes it serves. But on an individual purposes it serves. But on an individual purposes it serves. But on an individual psychological level and as far as our psychological level and as far as our psychological level and as far as our own domestic policy and societies, it's own domestic policy and societies, it's own domestic policy and societies, it's so powerful that it has convinced people so powerful that it has convinced people so powerful that it has convinced people to do what by any measure is really the to do what by any measure is really the to do what by any measure is really the the craziest thing that any people can the craziest thing that any people can the craziest thing that any people can do, which is to give up its homeland do, which is to give up its homeland do, which is to give up its homeland forever without a fight and to allow forever without a fight and to allow forever without a fight and to allow their daughters to be raped. So like the their daughters to be raped. So like the their daughters to be raped. So like the lie that European peoples and Americans lie that European peoples and Americans lie that European peoples and Americans believe is that all this is about love believe is that all this is about love believe is that all this is about love and tolerance, but your daughter's and tolerance, but your daughter's and tolerance, but your daughter's getting raped. That's not love. That's getting raped. That's not love. That's getting raped. That's not love. That's the ultimate act of violence. And yet the ultimate act of violence. And yet the ultimate act of violence. And yet that's that's the result of it.

that's that's the result of it. that's that's the result of it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Literally the result of it. >> Literally the result of it. >> Literally the result of it. >> Sure. And you and and again to go back >> Sure. And you and and again to go back >> Sure. And you and and again to go back to the internal migrations in the 20th to the internal migrations in the 20th to the internal migrations in the 20th century after the second world war like century after the second world war like century after the second world war like in the United States and the way that in the United States and the way that in the United States and the way that the internal migrations were used to the internal migrations were used to the internal migrations were used to break up these traditional Catholic break up these traditional Catholic break up these traditional Catholic parish communities in city after city parish communities in city after city parish communities in city after city after city around the country and done after city around the country and done after city around the country and done so I mean we know this from from so I mean we know this from from so I mean we know this from from documentation you know that uh that documentation you know that uh that documentation you know that uh that these this was something that they knew these this was something that they knew these this was something that they knew what they were doing. They knew they what they were doing. They knew they what they were doing. They knew they were breaking up these communities that were breaking up these communities that were breaking up these communities that they saw as pools of like insularity, they saw as pools of like insularity, they saw as pools of like insularity, these black boxes that the system itself these black boxes that the system itself these black boxes that the system itself couldn't really see into and didn't couldn't really see into and didn't couldn't really see into and didn't exactly know it was going. exactly know it was going. exactly know it was going. >> So Robert Moses wasn't just a highway >> So Robert Moses wasn't just a highway >> So Robert Moses wasn't just a highway designer. Is that what you're saying? designer. Is that what you're saying? designer. Is that what you're saying? >> No. No. But this was a but this was a >> No. No. But this was a but this was a >> No. No. But this was a but this was a national push. I mean, this didn't h national push. I mean, this didn't h national push. I mean, this didn't h just happen in New York City, you know, just happen in New York City, you know, just happen in New York City, you know, it happened everywhere. And um and when it happened everywhere. And um and when it happened everywhere. And um and when you realize when you that when you when you realize when you that when you when you realize when you that when you when you start to see that and then you start you start to see that and then you start you start to see that and then you start to see what's going on in Europe and now to see what's going on in Europe and now to see what's going on in Europe and now in United States as well and you in United States as well and you in United States as well and you recognize that these are weapons that recognize that these are weapons that recognize that these are weapons that are being wielded against us. They're are being wielded against us. They're are being wielded against us. They're not something that um it's not happen not something that um it's not happen not something that um it's not happen stance. It's not something that's being stance. It's not something that's being stance. It's not something that's being done um because you know uh done um because you know uh done um because you know uh >> the labor markets demand it.

>> the labor markets demand it. >> the labor markets demand it. >> The labor markets demand it or because >> The labor markets demand it or because >> The labor markets demand it or because [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> favorite it's just the market. >> favorite it's just the market. >> favorite it's just the market. >> Yeah. or because we've just sort of um >> Yeah. or because we've just sort of um >> Yeah. or because we've just sort of um you know there were there were certain you know there were there were certain you know there were there were certain cold war strategic imperatives that uh cold war strategic imperatives that uh cold war strategic imperatives that uh led to the to the pro promagation of led to the to the pro promagation of led to the to the pro promagation of certain propaganda that maybe made some certain propaganda that maybe made some certain propaganda that maybe made some sense at the time that has just outlived sense at the time that has just outlived sense at the time that has just outlived its usefulness and is sort of going its usefulness and is sort of going its usefulness and is sort of going along on its own uh on its own power at along on its own uh on its own power at along on its own uh on its own power at this point that this is this is a weapon this point that this is this is a weapon this point that this is this is a weapon that's being used against these that's being used against these that's being used against these countries on purpose um because I mean countries on purpose um because I mean countries on purpose um because I mean you know there's a there's a great you know there's a there's a great you know there's a there's a great little book by a a French author uh little book by a a French author uh little book by a a French author uh Jacquel he wrote a bunch of great books, Jacquel he wrote a bunch of great books, Jacquel he wrote a bunch of great books, but he wrote one on propaganda and how but he wrote one on propaganda and how but he wrote one on propaganda and how it functions. And he has this great it functions. And he has this great it functions. And he has this great section in there on how section in there on how section in there on how um it seems like at first blush that a um it seems like at first blush that a um it seems like at first blush that a mass society and individualism mass society and individualism mass society and individualism are somehow like, you know, that that's are somehow like, you know, that that's are somehow like, you know, that that's oil and water. That those are two oil and water. That those are two oil and water. That those are two completely different things when in fact completely different things when in fact completely different things when in fact they're the same thing. Because when you they're the same thing. Because when you they're the same thing. Because when you break up, say those parish communities break up, say those parish communities break up, say those parish communities and you drive everybody out to the and you drive everybody out to the and you drive everybody out to the suburbs, suburbs, suburbs, >> everybody's living within their own >> everybody's living within their own >> everybody's living within their own fence line now. They're not living in a fence line now. They're not living in a fence line now. They're not living in a community. They're living in their own community. They're living in their own community. They're living in their own fence line. They maybe don't even know fence line. They maybe don't even know fence line. They maybe don't even know their neighbors names. You have all of their neighbors names. You have all of their neighbors names. You have all of these people who are completely isolated these people who are completely isolated these people who are completely isolated and easily homogenized over time. And um and easily homogenized over time. And um and easily homogenized over time. And um you know they lose their distinctiveness you know they lose their distinctiveness you know they lose their distinctiveness and become and melt into a part of a a and become and melt into a part of a a and become and melt into a part of a a mass that you can now propagandize on a mass that you can now propagandize on a mass that you can now propagandize on a mass level in in a way that you know you mass level in in a way that you know you mass level in in a way that you know you think about it like uh if you lived in a

think about it like uh if you lived in a think about it like uh if you lived in a in a parish community back in the 1920s in a parish community back in the 1920s in a parish community back in the 1920s in the United States. If you lived in an in the United States. If you lived in an in the United States. If you lived in an Irish parish community in New York City Irish parish community in New York City Irish parish community in New York City and the government was uh or or the and the government was uh or or the and the government was uh or or the culture, what whatever outside force it culture, what whatever outside force it culture, what whatever outside force it is is trying to propagandize you in a is is trying to propagandize you in a is is trying to propagandize you in a given way that your grandfather and your given way that your grandfather and your given way that your grandfather and your priest and the elders in your community priest and the elders in your community priest and the elders in your community that everybody respects are all telling that everybody respects are all telling that everybody respects are all telling you is not true. You're not going to you is not true. You're not going to you is not true. You're not going to believe that. And you also just really believe that. And you also just really believe that. And you also just really have no need for whatever ideology it is have no need for whatever ideology it is have no need for whatever ideology it is that's being pushed on you because you that's being pushed on you because you that's being pushed on you because you have your community here. That's your have your community here. That's your have your community here. That's your ideology, you know. And um when you ideology, you know. And um when you ideology, you know. And um when you break all these people up, I mean every break all these people up, I mean every break all these people up, I mean every every every intelligence agency going every every intelligence agency going every every intelligence agency going back to the Korean War has known that if back to the Korean War has known that if back to the Korean War has known that if you want to brainwash people, the first you want to brainwash people, the first you want to brainwash people, the first thing you have to do is isolate them, thing you have to do is isolate them, thing you have to do is isolate them, >> of course. >> of course. >> of course. >> And so when everybody's isolated and yet >> And so when everybody's isolated and yet >> And so when everybody's isolated and yet you can propagandize all of them at the you can propagandize all of them at the you can propagandize all of them at the same time in their little isolation, it same time in their little isolation, it same time in their little isolation, it becomes very easy to and in the 20th becomes very easy to and in the 20th becomes very easy to and in the 20th century when the media channels were as century when the media channels were as century when the media channels were as controlled as they were. I mean it was controlled as they were. I mean it was controlled as they were. I mean it was incredibly powerful and you know I the incredibly powerful and you know I the incredibly powerful and you know I the the one of the great hopes that I think the one of the great hopes that I think the one of the great hopes that I think even though it was originally a military even though it was originally a military even though it was originally a military technology and everything is I don't technology and everything is I don't technology and everything is I don't think that they planned for the internet think that they planned for the internet think that they planned for the internet and the reason I think that is because and the reason I think that is because and the reason I think that is because >> even though they created it >> even though they created it >> even though they created it >> even though they created it [laughter] >> even though they created it [laughter] >> even though they created it [laughter] um and the reason I think that though is um and the reason I think that though is um and the reason I think that though is because when you look back at so many at because when you look back at so many at because when you look back at so many at JFK at all of these different things JFK at all of these different things JFK at all of these different things that happened in the pre- internet era a that happened in the pre- internet era a that happened in the pre- internet era a lot of times like you probably had this lot of times like you probably had this lot of times like you probably had this experience yourself you look back on experience yourself you look back on experience yourself you look back on this and you're like this can't be true this and you're like this can't be true this and you're like this can't be true cuz they would covered this up, right?

cuz they would covered this up, right? cuz they would covered this up, right? It's like, no, they didn't even bother. It's like, no, they didn't even bother. It's like, no, they didn't even bother. No, No, No, >> because they had control of the three >> because they had control of the three >> because they had control of the three channels and the newspapers and they channels and the newspapers and they channels and the newspapers and they just didn't have to worry about it. I just didn't have to worry about it. I just didn't have to worry about it. I just don't think they planned for the just don't think they planned for the just don't think they planned for the internet. And so that's why there's a internet. And so that's why there's a internet. And so that's why there's a huge a huge scramble to try to clamp it huge a huge scramble to try to clamp it huge a huge scramble to try to clamp it down and consolidate and get control of down and consolidate and get control of down and consolidate and get control of it because it is a leak in their system. it because it is a leak in their system. it because it is a leak in their system. >> So that's but bulcanizing your society >> So that's but bulcanizing your society >> So that's but bulcanizing your society and then atomizing it and then atomizing it and then atomizing it is the key to homogenizing it. I think is the key to homogenizing it. I think is the key to homogenizing it. I think that's such a smart insight and that's that's such a smart insight and that's that's such a smart insight and that's one of the reasons so much energy has one of the reasons so much energy has one of the reasons so much energy has gone into feminism gone into feminism gone into feminism because you know the marriage is kind of because you know the marriage is kind of because you know the marriage is kind of the ultimate stronghold of that's the the ultimate stronghold of that's the the ultimate stronghold of that's the ultimate community it's the basis of all ultimate community it's the basis of all ultimate community it's the basis of all communities communities communities >> well and family also is the basis of any >> well and family also is the basis of any >> well and family also is the basis of any any uh community that is living any uh community that is living any uh community that is living historically in the sense that I meant historically in the sense that I meant historically in the sense that I meant >> exactly have you ever met a happily >> exactly have you ever met a happily >> exactly have you ever met a happily married woman happily married woman married woman happily married woman married woman happily married woman who's for mass migration into the United who's for mass migration into the United who's for mass migration into the United States States States >> I I mean I think that uh >> I I mean I think that uh >> I I mean I think that uh >> who's for any of that program? I mean, >> who's for any of that program? I mean, >> who's for any of that program? I mean, yeah, look, you'll find you'll find yeah, look, you'll find you'll find yeah, look, you'll find you'll find people who are not particularly people who are not particularly people who are not particularly political and so they parrot whatever political and so they parrot whatever political and so they parrot whatever they think the but in terms of people they think the but in terms of people they think the but in terms of people who have given it any thought, no, who have given it any thought, no, who have given it any thought, no, definitely not because, you know, there definitely not because, you know, there definitely not because, you know, there and you know, it's actually really funny and you know, it's actually really funny and you know, it's actually really funny because um I really think that one of because um I really think that one of because um I really think that one of the reasons that this this the reasons that this this the reasons that this this you if you look over the decades, right, you if you look over the decades, right, you if you look over the decades, right, in the 1950s, it would have been in the 1950s, it would have been in the 1950s, it would have been impossible to predict the 1960s. 1960s impossible to predict the 1960s. 1960s impossible to predict the 1960s. 1960s probably would not have predicted the probably would not have predicted the probably would not have predicted the 1970s. things go in cycles. You know, 1970s. things go in cycles. You know, 1970s. things go in cycles. You know, there's a sine wave of sort of cultural there's a sine wave of sort of cultural there's a sine wave of sort of cultural movement that exists. Um, but this one

movement that exists. Um, but this one movement that exists. Um, but this one has really just gone in one direction has really just gone in one direction has really just gone in one direction for quite some time now. And I think for quite some time now. And I think for quite some time now. And I think part of the reason for that is that part of the reason for that is that part of the reason for that is that millennials took until their mid30s, millennials took until their mid30s, millennials took until their mid30s, late 30s to start having kids. And so late 30s to start having kids. And so late 30s to start having kids. And so people didn't become mothers. They people didn't become mothers. They people didn't become mothers. They didn't become fathers for a much longer didn't become fathers for a much longer didn't become fathers for a much longer stretch of time. And so that that group stretch of time. And so that that group stretch of time. And so that that group of people had a much those ideas had of people had a much those ideas had of people had a much those ideas had much more runway, you know, before much more runway, you know, before much more runway, you know, before people got into that period where they people got into that period where they people got into that period where they start to rethink things like that. cuz start to rethink things like that. cuz start to rethink things like that. cuz I've seen this with um a lot of my I've seen this with um a lot of my I've seen this with um a lot of my friends, people who people who I hadn't friends, people who people who I hadn't friends, people who people who I hadn't seen. I had this experience really seen. I had this experience really seen. I had this experience really powerfully recently. Good friends, but powerfully recently. Good friends, but powerfully recently. Good friends, but um I just hadn't seen them and hadn't um I just hadn't seen them and hadn't um I just hadn't seen them and hadn't really kept in touch all that much for really kept in touch all that much for really kept in touch all that much for 10 years or so. These were the two least 10 years or so. These were the two least 10 years or so. These were the two least political people you could possibly political people you could possibly political people you could possibly imagine. I mean, the idea that they imagine. I mean, the idea that they imagine. I mean, the idea that they would even have an opinion on any would even have an opinion on any would even have an opinion on any political issue would have just been it political issue would have just been it political issue would have just been it it just didn't fit at all. And when we it just didn't fit at all. And when we it just didn't fit at all. And when we met them again, it not because I brought met them again, it not because I brought met them again, it not because I brought it up or they couldn't go five minutes it up or they couldn't go five minutes it up or they couldn't go five minutes without just all this stuff about their without just all this stuff about their without just all this stuff about their kids' schools and the stuff they're kids' schools and the stuff they're kids' schools and the stuff they're teaching changes your mentality, right? teaching changes your mentality, right? teaching changes your mentality, right? >> And so >> And so >> And so >> even just the act of getting married, I >> even just the act of getting married, I >> even just the act of getting married, I have seen this up close a number of have seen this up close a number of have seen this up close a number of times. You know, a young unmarried woman times. You know, a young unmarried woman times. You know, a young unmarried woman living in a city has a certain set of living in a city has a certain set of living in a city has a certain set of politics, politics, politics, that woman gets married to a man she that woman gets married to a man she that woman gets married to a man she loves and respects. Boy, those attitudes loves and respects. Boy, those attitudes loves and respects. Boy, those attitudes change like in about 10 minutes. It's change like in about 10 minutes. It's change like in about 10 minutes. It's crazy how fast that works.

crazy how fast that works. crazy how fast that works. >> Yeah. And when you have people who are >> Yeah. And when you have people who are >> Yeah. And when you have people who are isolated and whose isolated and whose isolated and whose uh whose time horizon has shrunk down uh whose time horizon has shrunk down uh whose time horizon has shrunk down to, you know, their next fix of whatever to, you know, their next fix of whatever to, you know, their next fix of whatever it is that the cultures managed to it is that the cultures managed to it is that the cultures managed to addict them to, Netflix or weed or addict them to, Netflix or weed or addict them to, Netflix or weed or whatever, whatever, whatever, >> gambling, benzoazipines, >> gambling, benzoazipines, >> gambling, benzoazipines, >> right? Um when you do that, I mean, you >> right? Um when you do that, I mean, you >> right? Um when you do that, I mean, you can do anything you want with that can do anything you want with that can do anything you want with that population because this goes back to population because this goes back to population because this goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Why what we were talking about earlier. Why what we were talking about earlier. Why did nobody protest when we blew up a did nobody protest when we blew up a did nobody protest when we blew up a school? Because at this point, who's we? school? Because at this point, who's we? school? Because at this point, who's we? Like that's really what's been lost is a Like that's really what's been lost is a Like that's really what's been lost is a sense of being a part of a wei at all is sense of being a part of a wei at all is sense of being a part of a wei at all is something that has really been broken something that has really been broken something that has really been broken down, disintegrated. And so that allows down, disintegrated. And so that allows down, disintegrated. And so that allows the people who are at the levers of the people who are at the levers of the people who are at the levers of power to get away with almost anything power to get away with almost anything power to get away with almost anything because nobody really identified like because nobody really identified like because nobody really identified like nobody actually thinks about it. sounds nobody actually thinks about it. sounds nobody actually thinks about it. sounds like a almost like a you know these days like a almost like a you know these days like a almost like a you know these days it sounds like a 1950s kind of you know it sounds like a 1950s kind of you know it sounds like a 1950s kind of you know slogan or something maybe made sense in slogan or something maybe made sense in slogan or something maybe made sense in Beaver Cleaverville when they say not in Beaver Cleaverville when they say not in Beaver Cleaverville when they say not in my name you know that the government is my name you know that the government is my name you know that the government is doing these things in my name doing these things in my name doing these things in my name >> I feel that way >> I feel that way >> I feel that way >> but people but people so much these days >> but people but people so much these days >> but people but people so much these days really don't you know and what that really don't you know and what that really don't you know and what that means is that the people who do have means is that the people who do have means is that the people who do have control of the levers of power can do control of the levers of power can do control of the levers of power can do pretty much whatever they want without pretty much whatever they want without pretty much whatever they want without worrying about backlash because nobody worrying about backlash because nobody worrying about backlash because nobody really identifies with it unless it really identifies with it unless it really identifies with it unless it harms them in some way harms them in some way harms them in some way >> I feel so personally afraid rupted by >> I feel so personally afraid rupted by >> I feel so personally afraid rupted by it. You bomb a girl school and then you it. You bomb a girl school and then you it. You bomb a girl school and then you don't apologize. I feel like smacking don't apologize. I feel like smacking don't apologize. I feel like smacking him in the face. Who do you think you him in the face. Who do you think you him in the face. Who do you think you are?

are? are? >> Yeah, I'm a history nerd. So, >> Yeah, I'm a history nerd. So, >> Yeah, I'm a history nerd. So, >> this is your country. I don't think it >> this is your country. I don't think it >> this is your country. I don't think it is. You just like rolled in here is. You just like rolled in here is. You just like rolled in here >> and like took control and then you get >> and like took control and then you get >> and like took control and then you get to do stuff in my in my country my to do stuff in my in my country my to do stuff in my in my country my ancestors built like No. ancestors built like No. ancestors built like No. >> Yeah. Yeah. And >> Yeah. Yeah. And >> Yeah. Yeah. And >> don't you feel that? >> don't you feel that? >> don't you feel that? >> Of course. You know, I'm a history guy, >> Of course. You know, I'm a history guy, >> Of course. You know, I'm a history guy, a nerd. And so, you know, I think about, a nerd. And so, you know, I think about, a nerd. And so, you know, I think about, and maybe this is something that only a and maybe this is something that only a and maybe this is something that only a nerd would do, but, you know, I think nerd would do, but, you know, I think nerd would do, but, you know, I think about every time I read a history book about every time I read a history book about every time I read a history book about ancient Rome or the British Empire about ancient Rome or the British Empire about ancient Rome or the British Empire or just anything like that, I think or just anything like that, I think or just anything like that, I think about, wow, 500 years from now, people about, wow, 500 years from now, people about, wow, 500 years from now, people are going to be reading about America. are going to be reading about America. are going to be reading about America. And what are they going to read? We put And what are they going to read? We put And what are they going to read? We put the first man on the moon, you know? Uh the first man on the moon, you know? Uh the first man on the moon, you know? Uh well well now like we're we're shaping well well now like we're we're shaping well well now like we're we're shaping it so that they're going to read a lot it so that they're going to read a lot it so that they're going to read a lot of like they're they're they're of like they're they're they're of like they're they're they're corrupting the way that my country my corrupting the way that my country my corrupting the way that my country my people are going to be remembered by people are going to be remembered by people are going to be remembered by future generations. And that offends me. future generations. And that offends me. future generations. And that offends me. It really does bother me. And you know I It really does bother me. And you know I It really does bother me. And you know I think a lot of people would find that think a lot of people would find that think a lot of people would find that sentiment I know you don't but a lot of sentiment I know you don't but a lot of sentiment I know you don't but a lot of people today would find that sentiment people today would find that sentiment people today would find that sentiment sort of uh antiquated and uh just kind sort of uh antiquated and uh just kind sort of uh antiquated and uh just kind of silly. And that's unfortunate because of silly. And that's unfortunate because of silly. And that's unfortunate because what that means is that you have a what that means is that you have a what that means is that you have a people who is no longer living people who is no longer living people who is no longer living historically. You have a people who is historically. You have a people who is historically. You have a people who is are no longer they don't have the are no longer they don't have the are no longer they don't have the mentality that certain things for mentality that certain things for mentality that certain things for centuries my ancestors shepherded so centuries my ancestors shepherded so centuries my ancestors shepherded so that they could hand them down to me and that they could hand them down to me and that they could hand them down to me and it is my job to steward those things to it is my job to steward those things to it is my job to steward those things to make sure that the next generation can make sure that the next generation can make sure that the next generation can carry them.

carry them. carry them. >> Turning the family home into an Airbnb. >> Turning the family home into an Airbnb. >> Turning the family home into an Airbnb. It's degradation It's degradation It's degradation st, you know, random strangers are like st, you know, random strangers are like st, you know, random strangers are like wrecking your house that your ancestors wrecking your house that your ancestors wrecking your house that your ancestors built. That's how I feel. built. That's how I feel. built. That's how I feel. >> That's what's happening. >> That's what's happening. >> That's what's happening. >> And the people renting and it's it's so >> And the people renting and it's it's so >> And the people renting and it's it's so much like the bullshik revolution. It's much like the bullshik revolution. It's much like the bullshik revolution. It's like none of the people leading the like none of the people leading the like none of the people leading the revolution or with power like have any revolution or with power like have any revolution or with power like have any connection to the country at all. connection to the country at all. connection to the country at all. >> Yeah. Isn't that something that uh >> Yeah. Isn't that something that uh >> Yeah. Isn't that something that uh really I I often think about how I think really I I often think about how I think really I I often think about how I think Nelson Rockefeller died in 78 79 Nelson Rockefeller died in 78 79 Nelson Rockefeller died in 78 79 something like that. 75 75 something like that. 75 75 something like that. 75 75 >> and Megan Marsh >> and Megan Marsh >> and Megan Marsh >> the only Rockefeller that I know about >> the only Rockefeller that I know about >> the only Rockefeller that I know about after that was the one who got eaten by after that was the one who got eaten by after that was the one who got eaten by cannibals in the Indian Ocean. Right. cannibals in the Indian Ocean. Right. cannibals in the Indian Ocean. Right. And I I always look at that as sort of And I I always look at that as sort of And I I always look at that as sort of South Pacific. South Pacific. South Pacific. >> He got eaten before. >> He got eaten before. >> He got eaten before. >> Okay. [laughter] Yeah. Oh, did he >> Okay. [laughter] Yeah. Oh, did he >> Okay. [laughter] Yeah. Oh, did he really? Yeah, he did. Oh, okay. Um, but really? Yeah, he did. Oh, okay. Um, but really? Yeah, he did. Oh, okay. Um, but well, that kind of goes to my point, well, that kind of goes to my point, well, that kind of goes to my point, right? Is like I I kind of look at that right? Is like I I kind of look at that right? Is like I I kind of look at that almost as emblematic of the almost as emblematic of the almost as emblematic of the disintegration of the old Wasp power disintegration of the old Wasp power disintegration of the old Wasp power structure that structure that structure that >> you can tell I keep track of this >> you can tell I keep track of this >> you can tell I keep track of this subject.

subject. subject. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] that like look >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] that like look >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] that like look over the years made its mistakes, had over the years made its mistakes, had over the years made its mistakes, had its faults, all these kind of things, its faults, all these kind of things, its faults, all these kind of things, but had a proprietary sense of this is but had a proprietary sense of this is but had a proprietary sense of this is our country. This was my father's our country. This was my father's our country. This was my father's country and it's going to be my son's country and it's going to be my son's country and it's going to be my son's country. country. country. >> Yeah. Don't have another passport. >> Yeah. Don't have another passport. >> Yeah. Don't have another passport. >> Right. And they have their they had >> Right. And they have their they had >> Right. And they have their they had their hands on the steering wheel even their hands on the steering wheel even their hands on the steering wheel even as we had a an open system that was as we had a an open system that was as we had a an open system that was self-governed to, you know, a large self-governed to, you know, a large self-governed to, you know, a large degree. There were there there was a degree. There were there there was a degree. There were there there was a ruling class that ruled with a very ruling class that ruled with a very ruling class that ruled with a very light hand for the most part that had light hand for the most part that had light hand for the most part that had their hand on the steering wheel. And their hand on the steering wheel. And their hand on the steering wheel. And when that last generation after the when that last generation after the when that last generation after the cultural revolution in the Vietnam War cultural revolution in the Vietnam War cultural revolution in the Vietnam War sort of made it so that those people's sort of made it so that those people's sort of made it so that those people's own children, they just didn't want to own children, they just didn't want to own children, they just didn't want to do it anymore. They just they lost do it anymore. They just they lost do it anymore. They just they lost legitimacy in their own eyes. Their own legitimacy in their own eyes. Their own legitimacy in their own eyes. Their own college professors told them they had no college professors told them they had no college professors told them they had no right to to rule. right to to rule. right to to rule. >> Um they took their hands off the >> Um they took their hands off the >> Um they took their hands off the steering wheel and that ever since then steering wheel and that ever since then steering wheel and that ever since then the American system has really been the American system has really been the American system has really been under the control of whatever organizi under the control of whatever organizi under the control of whatever organizi highly organized wellunded minority highly organized wellunded minority highly organized wellunded minority group can manage to get its hands on the group can manage to get its hands on the group can manage to get its hands on the controls. And it's one of the reasons by controls. And it's one of the reasons by controls. And it's one of the reasons by the way that you know it's it's really I the way that you know it's it's really I the way that you know it's it's really I mean if you go from 1948 when the state mean if you go from 1948 when the state mean if you go from 1948 when the state of Israel was founded up until the of Israel was founded up until the of Israel was founded up until the late60s early '7s you know u people have late60s early '7s you know u people have late60s early '7s you know u people have this idea that America has always had this idea that America has always had this idea that America has always had this tremendous Zionist influence and this tremendous Zionist influence and this tremendous Zionist influence and it's it's been there at certain elite it's it's been there at certain elite it's it's been there at certain elite levels and stuff but it was never this levels and stuff but it was never this levels and stuff but it was never this overwhelming force that we started to overwhelming force that we started to overwhelming force that we started to see in the last several decades. And it see in the last several decades. And it see in the last several decades. And it was because you had guys like George was because you had guys like George was because you had guys like George Kennan, these old W wasp guys who were Kennan, these old W wasp guys who were Kennan, these old W wasp guys who were going to who who who who saw the big going to who who who who saw the big going to who who who who saw the big picture and were still living picture and were still living picture and were still living historically who were like these neocons historically who were like these neocons historically who were like these neocons would have rolled into their would have rolled into their would have rolled into their administration and started barking

administration and started barking administration and started barking orders at them. They would have told orders at them. They would have told orders at them. They would have told them to get lost. But now that just them to get lost. But now that just them to get lost. But now that just doesn't exist anymore. Everybody's time doesn't exist anymore. Everybody's time doesn't exist anymore. Everybody's time horizon is their own lifetime at most. horizon is their own lifetime at most. horizon is their own lifetime at most. Most people aren't even thinking that Most people aren't even thinking that Most people aren't even thinking that far ahead. and um their sense of uh far ahead. and um their sense of uh far ahead. and um their sense of uh continuity is completely cut off from continuity is completely cut off from continuity is completely cut off from the past and future. And so people who the past and future. And so people who the past and future. And so people who are still connected to that sense of are still connected to that sense of are still connected to that sense of continuity, who are well organized and continuity, who are well organized and continuity, who are well organized and thinking in longer terms like that, who thinking in longer terms like that, who thinking in longer terms like that, who have been able to get their hands on on, have been able to get their hands on on, have been able to get their hands on on, you know, the the helm of of the state, you know, the the helm of of the state, you know, the the helm of of the state, they're really just able to make it do they're really just able to make it do they're really just able to make it do whatever they want. even though um they whatever they want. even though um they whatever they want. even though um they may not be, you know, what we found is may not be, you know, what we found is may not be, you know, what we found is that you don't have to be this that you don't have to be this that you don't have to be this overwhelming dominant force that overwhelming dominant force that overwhelming dominant force that controls everything. You can get what controls everything. You can get what controls everything. You can get what you want done as long as you're you want done as long as you're you want done as long as you're organized and focused. And you know, organized and focused. And you know, organized and focused. And you know, we've really just kind of seen that. we've really just kind of seen that. we've really just kind of seen that. It's why the American government ever It's why the American government ever It's why the American government ever since really like the 1980s at least, since really like the 1980s at least, since really like the 1980s at least, but certainly um since the 1990s has but certainly um since the 1990s has but certainly um since the 1990s has just been sort of this this tool in the just been sort of this this tool in the just been sort of this this tool in the hands of whatever organized minority is hands of whatever organized minority is hands of whatever organized minority is controlling it at the time or at least controlling it at the time or at least controlling it at the time or at least controlling certain aspects of it. You controlling certain aspects of it. You controlling certain aspects of it. You saw this for example after the fall of saw this for example after the fall of saw this for example after the fall of the Soviet Union during the Clinton the Soviet Union during the Clinton the Soviet Union during the Clinton administration, you know, back in the uh administration, you know, back in the uh administration, you know, back in the uh I think it was 90 the '94 election I think it was 90 the '94 election I think it was 90 the '94 election 9496 whenever uh you know we were 9496 whenever uh you know we were 9496 whenever uh you know we were pushing really hard for an organization pushing really hard for an organization pushing really hard for an organization called the Partnership for Peace, which called the Partnership for Peace, which called the Partnership for Peace, which was you know supposed to be like a was you know supposed to be like a was you know supposed to be like a non-militarized NATO that was going to non-militarized NATO that was going to non-militarized NATO that was going to include Russia and kind of be a an

include Russia and kind of be a an include Russia and kind of be a an institutional platform for European uh institutional platform for European uh institutional platform for European uh society. ieties to mediate disputes and society. ieties to mediate disputes and society. ieties to mediate disputes and just get learn to get along with each just get learn to get along with each just get learn to get along with each other and learn to live with each other other and learn to live with each other other and learn to live with each other again and uh communicate on on again and uh communicate on on again and uh communicate on on diplomatic levels, all those kind of diplomatic levels, all those kind of diplomatic levels, all those kind of things. Um and it was the big push and things. Um and it was the big push and things. Um and it was the big push and you had a lot of officials in the you had a lot of officials in the you had a lot of officials in the Clinton administration who were very Clinton administration who were very Clinton administration who were very much in favor of that. But you had much in favor of that. But you had much in favor of that. But you had another contingent in the Clinton another contingent in the Clinton another contingent in the Clinton administration that was just just administration that was just just administration that was just just irrationally hostile to Russia. And when irrationally hostile to Russia. And when irrationally hostile to Russia. And when you look at who a lot of those people you look at who a lot of those people you look at who a lot of those people were, these are a lot of recent were, these are a lot of recent were, these are a lot of recent immigrants immigrants immigrants from Eastern and Central Europe who just from Eastern and Central Europe who just from Eastern and Central Europe who just hate Russians, you know, and um hate Russians, you know, and um hate Russians, you know, and um >> or think they have a right to own >> or think they have a right to own >> or think they have a right to own Russia, control Russia Russia, control Russia Russia, control Russia >> or own own and control it, right? And um >> or own own and control it, right? And um >> or own own and control it, right? And um in the 96 or '94 election, one of the in the 96 or '94 election, one of the in the 96 or '94 election, one of the two, I can't remember which, um the two, I can't remember which, um the two, I can't remember which, um the Partnership for Peace basically just Partnership for Peace basically just Partnership for Peace basically just fell apart that year because Clinton was fell apart that year because Clinton was fell apart that year because Clinton was worried about the Polish, he got worried about the Polish, he got worried about the Polish, he got convinced, I don't know if this actually convinced, I don't know if this actually convinced, I don't know if this actually would have been a thing, but got would have been a thing, but got would have been a thing, but got convinced that the Polish vote in convinced that the Polish vote in convinced that the Polish vote in Chicago and this Eastern the Lithuanian Chicago and this Eastern the Lithuanian Chicago and this Eastern the Lithuanian vote over here was going to be critical vote over here was going to be critical vote over here was going to be critical to this swing state. And so he said, to this swing state. And so he said, to this swing state. And so he said, "Well, we have to completely change our "Well, we have to completely change our "Well, we have to completely change our entire approach in foreign policy with entire approach in foreign policy with entire approach in foreign policy with regard to the former Soviet Union regard to the former Soviet Union regard to the former Soviet Union because this tiny wellorganized because this tiny wellorganized because this tiny wellorganized political minority uh is I mean political minority uh is I mean political minority uh is I mean obviously Cuba is probably the best obviously Cuba is probably the best obviously Cuba is probably the best example of this over a long period of example of this over a long period of example of this over a long period of time." But um you know that's that's time." But um you know that's that's time." But um you know that's that's unfortunate. That's not the way that unfortunate. That's not the way that unfortunate. That's not the way that >> Well, we wound up in a war with Russia >> Well, we wound up in a war with Russia >> Well, we wound up in a war with Russia as a result.

as a result. as a result. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So can I just ask you about about Spain? >> So can I just ask you about about Spain? >> So can I just ask you about about Spain? So the internet is a flame with the So the internet is a flame with the So the internet is a flame with the realization that realization that realization that the president Sanchez that who runs the president Sanchez that who runs the president Sanchez that who runs Spain is, you know, obviously aligned Spain is, you know, obviously aligned Spain is, you know, obviously aligned with this replacement project and is a with this replacement project and is a with this replacement project and is a source of a lot of Spain's problems in source of a lot of Spain's problems in source of a lot of Spain's problems in my opinion. my opinion. my opinion. However, this specific example of However, this specific example of However, this specific example of invasion was really invasion was really invasion was really the result of larger forces acting on the result of larger forces acting on the result of larger forces acting on Spain, including the US and especially Spain, including the US and especially Spain, including the US and especially Israel and Israeli Israel and Israeli Israel and Israeli figures in including the prime minister figures in including the prime minister figures in including the prime minister and his son are basically saying, "This and his son are basically saying, "This and his son are basically saying, "This is what you get. We're going to punish is what you get. We're going to punish is what you get. We're going to punish you with Muslims because you aren't you you with Muslims because you aren't you you with Muslims because you aren't you don't approve of the Gaza genocide." So, don't approve of the Gaza genocide." So, don't approve of the Gaza genocide." So, people are just like, "What in the world people are just like, "What in the world people are just like, "What in the world is going on?" And this is like dawning is going on?" And this is like dawning is going on?" And this is like dawning on people who didn't know this was on people who didn't know this was on people who didn't know this was happening and has been for a long time. happening and has been for a long time. happening and has been for a long time. But Spain itself, it was I was thinking But Spain itself, it was I was thinking But Spain itself, it was I was thinking this this morning, has been this kind of this this morning, has been this kind of this this morning, has been this kind of battleground battleground battleground for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. It's considered a sort of of years. It's considered a sort of of years. It's considered a sort of irrelevant place now. Good ham, that's irrelevant place now. Good ham, that's irrelevant place now. Good ham, that's it. Decent soccer, but like Spain, who it. Decent soccer, but like Spain, who it. Decent soccer, but like Spain, who cares about Spain? But a lot of people cares about Spain? But a lot of people cares about Spain? But a lot of people do care about Spain and have for a long do care about Spain and have for a long do care about Spain and have for a long time, hundreds and hundreds of years, time, hundreds and hundreds of years, time, hundreds and hundreds of years, Spain has been a place where larger Spain has been a place where larger Spain has been a place where larger battles are fought. Have you noticed battles are fought. Have you noticed battles are fought. Have you noticed this?

this? this? >> Absolutely. And I would say that even as >> Absolutely. And I would say that even as >> Absolutely. And I would say that even as the Spanish Empire declined over the the Spanish Empire declined over the the Spanish Empire declined over the years and it became something of a years and it became something of a years and it became something of a backwater as the rest of Europe backwater as the rest of Europe backwater as the rest of Europe developed industrially, developed industrially, developed industrially, uh the Spanish were one of the people uh the Spanish were one of the people uh the Spanish were one of the people and to this day remain um there's and to this day remain um there's and to this day remain um there's there's several peoples down along on there's several peoples down along on there's several peoples down along on the northern side of the Mediterranean the northern side of the Mediterranean the northern side of the Mediterranean actually who are still this way who are actually who are still this way who are actually who are still this way who are living historically in the sense that we living historically in the sense that we living historically in the sense that we were talking about earlier where they were talking about earlier where they were talking about earlier where they still know themselves as Spaniards and still know themselves as Spaniards and still know themselves as Spaniards and they still have it even if they're they still have it even if they're they still have it even if they're atheists and they don't like the atheists and they don't like the atheists and they don't like the Catholic Church or something like that. Catholic Church or something like that. Catholic Church or something like that. They still have a sense of continuity They still have a sense of continuity They still have a sense of continuity with their history that uh you know that with their history that uh you know that with their history that uh you know that that that that people who have had that that that people who have had that that that people who have had conflicts with other people who are conflicts with other people who are conflicts with other people who are living historically who have had living historically who have had living historically who have had conflicts with them over the years, they conflicts with them over the years, they conflicts with them over the years, they remember that and they know that that remember that and they know that that remember that and they know that that that the other side remembers it too. that the other side remembers it too. that the other side remembers it too. And so, uh, it has been a battleground And so, uh, it has been a battleground And so, uh, it has been a battleground because there's no reason once a people because there's no reason once a people because there's no reason once a people stops living that way and it just stops living that way and it just stops living that way and it just becomes a, you know, a kind of a becomes a, you know, a kind of a becomes a, you know, a kind of a atomized bladeunner society or atomized bladeunner society or atomized bladeunner society or something. There's no reason to fight something. There's no reason to fight something. There's no reason to fight with those people anymore. Who are you with those people anymore. Who are you with those people anymore. Who are you fighting with?

fighting with? fighting with? >> You know, you might have to put down a a >> You know, you might have to put down a a >> You know, you might have to put down a a rebellion of some kind. People just, you rebellion of some kind. People just, you rebellion of some kind. People just, you know, get really antsy or upset, but you know, get really antsy or upset, but you know, get really antsy or upset, but you don't have to actually have conflicts don't have to actually have conflicts don't have to actually have conflicts with those people because what people with those people because what people with those people because what people are you really even talking about? And are you really even talking about? And are you really even talking about? And Spain is, you know, uh, has not lost Spain is, you know, uh, has not lost Spain is, you know, uh, has not lost that to to a great degree. And, um, if that to to a great degree. And, um, if that to to a great degree. And, um, if you think about it, I mean, all of the you think about it, I mean, all of the you think about it, I mean, all of the countries that countries that countries that European countries uh, that that are European countries uh, that that are European countries uh, that that are still insisting on holding on to that still insisting on holding on to that still insisting on holding on to that sense of who they are, whether it's sense of who they are, whether it's sense of who they are, whether it's Spain, whether it's Russia, whether it's Spain, whether it's Russia, whether it's Spain, whether it's Russia, whether it's Hungary, Hungary, Hungary, these are all the targets of the Western these are all the targets of the Western these are all the targets of the Western system. I mean of of the sort of system. I mean of of the sort of system. I mean of of the sort of American le you know whatever you want American le you know whatever you want American le you know whatever you want to call it the global American empire or to call it the global American empire or to call it the global American empire or something those are the targets something those are the targets something those are the targets >> yeah but why is that >> yeah but why is that >> yeah but why is that >> I mean because there's a rational >> I mean because there's a rational >> I mean because there's a rational explanation which you offered before explanation which you offered before explanation which you offered before which is the lesson of the second world which is the lesson of the second world which is the lesson of the second world war was when European peoples have a war was when European peoples have a war was when European peoples have a sense of themselves they're a threat to sense of themselves they're a threat to sense of themselves they're a threat to others okay so you have to break that others okay so you have to break that others okay so you have to break that down you can't have you can't have down you can't have you can't have down you can't have you can't have Europeans with self-respect because Europeans with self-respect because Europeans with self-respect because they're a threat okay you know but they're a threat okay you know but they're a threat okay you know but there's also it feels like there's a there's also it feels like there's a there's also it feels like there's a deeper thing going on like there's a deeper thing going on like there's a deeper thing going on like there's a spiritual spiritual spiritual factor here that maybe factor here that maybe factor here that maybe >> I mean it's it's hard to get around that >> I mean it's it's hard to get around that >> I mean it's it's hard to get around that it's hard to get around that feeling it's hard to get around that feeling it's hard to get around that feeling right when you look at the history and right when you look at the history and right when you look at the history and you see the Spanish Civil War for you see the Spanish Civil War for you see the Spanish Civil War for example.

example. example. >> Yes. What was that? >> Yes. What was that? >> Yes. What was that? >> Yeah, [clears throat] it's one of those >> Yeah, [clears throat] it's one of those >> Yeah, [clears throat] it's one of those I mean I'm going to have an entire I mean I'm going to have an entire I mean I'm going to have an entire episode on it. Uh thank you. when I as episode on it. Uh thank you. when I as episode on it. Uh thank you. when I as part of this World War II series, even part of this World War II series, even part of this World War II series, even though, you know, it only lightly though, you know, it only lightly though, you know, it only lightly involves the future axis powers who, you involves the future axis powers who, you involves the future axis powers who, you know, they were involved with the know, they were involved with the know, they were involved with the conflict, but that's not really what conflict, but that's not really what conflict, but that's not really what it's about. The the episode is really it's about. The the episode is really it's about. The the episode is really going to be about trying to help people going to be about trying to help people going to be about trying to help people understand how absolutely shocking what understand how absolutely shocking what understand how absolutely shocking what was [clears throat] happening over there was [clears throat] happening over there was [clears throat] happening over there was to um was to um was to um >> Can you just give us a quick without >> Can you just give us a quick without >> Can you just give us a quick without taking an hour, but like what's your taking an hour, but like what's your taking an hour, but like what's your summary of it for people who aren't the summary of it for people who aren't the summary of it for people who aren't the Spanish Civil War? So it's Spanish Civil War? So it's Spanish Civil War? So it's 35 to 39, something like that. 35 to 39, something like that. 35 to 39, something like that. >> 30s. Yeah. Yeah. And um you know there >> 30s. Yeah. Yeah. And um you know there >> 30s. Yeah. Yeah. And um you know there was a very very very the thing that it was a very very very the thing that it was a very very very the thing that it is sort of most notorious for um is the is sort of most notorious for um is the is sort of most notorious for um is the anti-Christian uh just absolute zealatry anti-Christian uh just absolute zealatry anti-Christian uh just absolute zealatry of the Republican and later communist of the Republican and later communist of the Republican and later communist side that came into it. And it's side that came into it. And it's side that came into it. And it's something that you know when the something that you know when the something that you know when the Bolevixs took over in Russia, one of the Bolevixs took over in Russia, one of the Bolevixs took over in Russia, one of the first things they this is 1920 I think first things they this is 1920 I think first things they this is 1920 I think So very very early on they built a So very very early on they built a So very very early on they built a statue to Judas a Scariot in Moscow.

statue to Judas a Scariot in Moscow. statue to Judas a Scariot in Moscow. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Yeah. And this is at the same time >> Yeah. And this is at the same time >> Yeah. And this is at the same time they're burning down churches, they're burning down churches, they're burning down churches, massacring priests. massacring priests. massacring priests. >> They built a statue to Judas. >> They built a statue to Judas. >> They built a statue to Judas. >> Yeah. I was surprised. I actually only >> Yeah. I was surprised. I actually only >> Yeah. I was surprised. I actually only learned that like relatively recently. learned that like relatively recently. learned that like relatively recently. >> How did I not know that? >> How did I not know that? >> How did I not know that? >> Yeah, it is. Well, indeed. [laughter] >> Yeah, it is. Well, indeed. [laughter] >> Yeah, it is. Well, indeed. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. And it's the same reason probably that And it's the same reason probably that And it's the same reason probably that uh people don't know about it. A lot of uh people don't know about it. A lot of uh people don't know about it. A lot of what happened in Spain in the 1930s. I what happened in Spain in the 1930s. I what happened in Spain in the 1930s. I mean, you're talking about, mean, you're talking about, mean, you're talking about, you know, something that can only it had you know, something that can only it had you know, something that can only it had the character of what you normally see the character of what you normally see the character of what you normally see in history uh from from slave revolts in history uh from from slave revolts in history uh from from slave revolts like in Haiti, for example, where there like in Haiti, for example, where there like in Haiti, for example, where there is just um you know, a conflict driven is just um you know, a conflict driven is just um you know, a conflict driven by abject resentment and hatred for for by abject resentment and hatred for for by abject resentment and hatred for for for the for the people. So that you they for the for the people. So that you they for the for the people. So that you they were not just raping nuns, they were not were not just raping nuns, they were not were not just raping nuns, they were not just masquering priests, they were not just masquering priests, they were not just masquering priests, they were not just using churches as latrines and just using churches as latrines and just using churches as latrines and pornography theaters. All of those pornography theaters. All of those pornography theaters. All of those things were happening. They were digging things were happening. They were digging things were happening. They were digging up the graves of up the graves of up the graves of people who had died years before, people who had died years before, people who had died years before, centuries before, uh, and desecrating centuries before, uh, and desecrating centuries before, uh, and desecrating their corpses. You know, these are the their corpses. You know, these are the their corpses. You know, these are the kinds of things were happening. When you kinds of things were happening. When you kinds of things were happening. When you see something like that, see something like that, see something like that, >> you know, look, uh, Israelis don't like >> you know, look, uh, Israelis don't like >> you know, look, uh, Israelis don't like Palestinians. They're doing a lot of Palestinians. They're doing a lot of Palestinians. They're doing a lot of really bad things down there. They're really bad things down there. They're really bad things down there. They're not doing that. It's not quite to that not doing that. It's not quite to that not doing that. It's not quite to that level. And so when you do see something level. And so when you do see something level. And so when you do see something like that happening, I mean, I think like that happening, I mean, I think like that happening, I mean, I think it's very hard, especially for people of it's very hard, especially for people of it's very hard, especially for people of our persuasion, [clears throat] not to our persuasion, [clears throat] not to our persuasion, [clears throat] not to see a spiritual element in there.

see a spiritual element in there. see a spiritual element in there. >> Well, what's I mean, first of all, >> Well, what's I mean, first of all, >> Well, what's I mean, first of all, anyone who's ever dug a hole in the anyone who's ever dug a hole in the anyone who's ever dug a hole in the ground knows it's difficult work. So to ground knows it's difficult work. So to ground knows it's difficult work. So to dig up a grave by hand is not something dig up a grave by hand is not something dig up a grave by hand is not something that you do because you're bored. You do that you do because you're bored. You do that you do because you're bored. You do because you're driven by some because you're driven by some because you're driven by some overwhelming impelling force, right? overwhelming impelling force, right? overwhelming impelling force, right? you're doing things that humans are when you're doing things that humans are when you're doing things that humans are when when you see things that humans um can when you see things that humans um can when you see things that humans um can never justify according to their own never justify according to their own never justify according to their own personal or collective interests but can personal or collective interests but can personal or collective interests but can only be uh justified by some by some only be uh justified by some by some only be uh justified by some by some larger ideological or spiritual larger ideological or spiritual larger ideological or spiritual imperative then you have to believe them imperative then you have to believe them imperative then you have to believe them when that's happening and when that's happening and when that's happening and >> well put nicely put >> well put nicely put >> well put nicely put >> and so that's that's definitely true in >> and so that's that's definitely true in >> and so that's that's definitely true in Spain you know for all of their um like Spain you know for all of their um like Spain you know for all of their um like I I would put it this way. Like I think I I would put it this way. Like I think I I would put it this way. Like I think there's a lot of people out there who there's a lot of people out there who there's a lot of people out there who see those comments from Israeli see those comments from Israeli see those comments from Israeli government officials and from government officials and from government officials and from Netanyahu's son and so forth and think Netanyahu's son and so forth and think Netanyahu's son and so forth and think that their problem is with the Spanish that their problem is with the Spanish that their problem is with the Spanish government because the Spanish government because the Spanish government because the Spanish government has a problem with what's government has a problem with what's government has a problem with what's going on in Gaza. I don't think that's going on in Gaza. I don't think that's going on in Gaza. I don't think that's really what it is. I think that um the really what it is. I think that um the really what it is. I think that um the problem is with Spain and with the problem is with Spain and with the problem is with Spain and with the Spanish people themselves. um because Spanish people themselves. um because Spanish people themselves. um because they're seen as sort of a you know look they're seen as sort of a you know look they're seen as sort of a you know look as long as there's one one group of as long as there's one one group of as long as there's one one group of people left who are still living people left who are still living people left who are still living historically there's hope for the rest historically there's hope for the rest historically there's hope for the rest of us and Spain is one of those bastions of us and Spain is one of those bastions of us and Spain is one of those bastions it's one of those places and I mean just it's one of those places and I mean just it's one of those places and I mean just recent just I think in the last couple recent just I think in the last couple recent just I think in the last couple years they just completed that cathedral years they just completed that cathedral years they just completed that cathedral in Barcelona the Sra Familia I bought my

in Barcelona the Sra Familia I bought my in Barcelona the Sra Familia I bought my sister they've came out with a Lego set sister they've came out with a Lego set sister they've came out with a Lego set of that it's 12,000 pieces I bought it of that it's 12,000 pieces I bought it of that it's 12,000 pieces I bought it for my Catholic sister so she has to do for my Catholic sister so she has to do for my Catholic sister so she has to do it with her it with her it with her But I mean, the fact that that thing But I mean, the fact that that thing But I mean, the fact that that thing took 120 years or something to build and took 120 years or something to build and took 120 years or something to build and they just finished it and at no point, they just finished it and at no point, they just finished it and at no point, you know, over the last 120 years with you know, over the last 120 years with you know, over the last 120 years with everything that's happened, all the everything that's happened, all the everything that's happened, all the social changes, the civil war, the world social changes, the civil war, the world social changes, the civil war, the world wars, everything that's happened, that wars, everything that's happened, that wars, everything that's happened, that project was never abandoned and they project was never abandoned and they project was never abandoned and they they finished it. That's a people who's they finished it. That's a people who's they finished it. That's a people who's living historically. You know, those are living historically. You know, those are living historically. You know, those are people who the people who started that, people who the people who started that, people who the people who started that, the people who worked on it 50 years the people who worked on it 50 years the people who worked on it 50 years after they started it, they did not see after they started it, they did not see after they started it, they did not see it completed. They never attended a it completed. They never attended a it completed. They never attended a service in there. That's what living service in there. That's what living service in there. That's what living historically means, you know, uh historically means, you know, uh historically means, you know, uh planting trees under whose shade you'll planting trees under whose shade you'll planting trees under whose shade you'll never sit, right? And so that's a people never sit, right? And so that's a people never sit, right? And so that's a people who's still doing that, at least in who's still doing that, at least in who's still doing that, at least in remnant. And as long as that's there, remnant. And as long as that's there, remnant. And as long as that's there, it's going to be targeted. And um how it's going to be targeted. And um how it's going to be targeted. And um how interesting targeted not just by, you interesting targeted not just by, you interesting targeted not just by, you know, political factions within Spain know, political factions within Spain know, political factions within Spain that don't like it, though that's that don't like it, though that's that don't like it, though that's happening, but by the world. So the happening, but by the world. So the happening, but by the world. So the Spanish Civil War breaks out. They rape Spanish Civil War breaks out. They rape Spanish Civil War breaks out. They rape nuns, murder priests, dig up the bodies nuns, murder priests, dig up the bodies nuns, murder priests, dig up the bodies of long deadad Christians and desecrate of long deadad Christians and desecrate of long deadad Christians and desecrate them. And the entire intelligencia in them. And the entire intelligencia in them. And the entire intelligencia in the west joins them. The Abraham Lincoln the west joins them. The Abraham Lincoln the west joins them. The Abraham Lincoln brigade forms. It's like all guys from brigade forms. It's like all guys from brigade forms. It's like all guys from Brooklyn.

Brooklyn. Brooklyn. What? What is that? What? What is that? What? What is that? Oh, it's a really deep subject. I mean Oh, it's a really deep subject. I mean Oh, it's a really deep subject. I mean because you're talking about the same because you're talking about the same because you're talking about the same class of people who were all you know class of people who were all you know class of people who were all you know very pro Stalin very protrudsky and and very pro Stalin very protrudsky and and very pro Stalin very protrudsky and and and bolevik revolution as that was going and bolevik revolution as that was going and bolevik revolution as that was going on and I think that just like uh with on and I think that just like uh with on and I think that just like uh with with a lot of issues there were with a lot of issues there were with a lot of issues there were different people with different different people with different different people with different motivations but the ones who are the the motivations but the ones who are the the motivations but the ones who are the the the the engine of the whole thing the the the engine of the whole thing the the the engine of the whole thing the the motive power behind it you know they the motive power behind it you know they the motive power behind it you know they have a very very uh deep belief that's have a very very uh deep belief that's have a very very uh deep belief that's driving them and um and [clears throat] driving them and um and [clears throat] driving them and um and [clears throat] I think that I think that I think that when and what's that belief? when and what's that belief? when and what's that belief? >> Well, I think I think it comes back to I >> Well, I think I think it comes back to I >> Well, I think I think it comes back to I mean, look, these are there there are mean, look, these are there there are mean, look, these are there there are people in the world for whom Spain is an people in the world for whom Spain is an people in the world for whom Spain is an ancient enemy. It's not something that ancient enemy. It's not something that ancient enemy. It's not something that has anything to do with fangism and has anything to do with fangism and has anything to do with fangism and Franco. It doesn't have anything to do Franco. It doesn't have anything to do Franco. It doesn't have anything to do with whatever the uh political order of with whatever the uh political order of with whatever the uh political order of the day is. It's something that has same the day is. It's something that has same the day is. It's something that has same with Russia. You know, there are people with Russia. You know, there are people with Russia. You know, there are people in the world, peoples in the world, who in the world, peoples in the world, who in the world, peoples in the world, who just have a deep and abiding just have a deep and abiding just have a deep and abiding intergenerational hatred of Russia and intergenerational hatred of Russia and intergenerational hatred of Russia and they see their conflict in broad they see their conflict in broad they see their conflict in broad historical terms. It's not with Putin.

historical terms. It's not with Putin. historical terms. It's not with Putin. It's not with this or that leader, it's It's not with this or that leader, it's It's not with this or that leader, it's with this people over a long period of with this people over a long period of with this people over a long period of time. And part of it's because those time. And part of it's because those time. And part of it's because those people people people uh you know like when you get to a place uh you know like when you get to a place uh you know like when you get to a place where nobody else in the world is living where nobody else in the world is living where nobody else in the world is living historically when the entire world uh is historically when the entire world uh is historically when the entire world uh is just a mishmash of atomized people and just a mishmash of atomized people and just a mishmash of atomized people and you have a couple groups that are still you have a couple groups that are still you have a couple groups that are still living intergenerationally like that. living intergenerationally like that. living intergenerationally like that. Those groups are going to rule the Those groups are going to rule the Those groups are going to rule the world. It's going to be their world. world. It's going to be their world. world. It's going to be their world. They're going to be living among a bunch They're going to be living among a bunch They're going to be living among a bunch of human beasts. of human beasts. of human beasts. And and I mean that almost literally in And and I mean that almost literally in And and I mean that almost literally in the sense that their time when your time the sense that their time when your time the sense that their time when your time horizon has shrunk down to your next horizon has shrunk down to your next horizon has shrunk down to your next meal or even the end of your own meal or even the end of your own meal or even the end of your own lifetime, you're living like an animal lifetime, you're living like an animal lifetime, you're living like an animal lives. You're not living like a human lives. You're not living like a human lives. You're not living like a human being. And so you're going to be living being. And so you're going to be living being. And so you're going to be living in a sea of human beasts as real people in a sea of human beasts as real people in a sea of human beasts as real people still living historically. And you'll still living historically. And you'll still living historically. And you'll rule the world. And as long as when rule the world. And as long as when rule the world. And as long as when there are other peoples out there who there are other peoples out there who there are other peoples out there who are also living that way, you're not are also living that way, you're not are also living that way, you're not going to be able to fool them into going to be able to fool them into going to be able to fool them into thinking that that's not what you're thinking that that's not what you're thinking that that's not what you're trying to do. they're going to recognize trying to do. they're going to recognize trying to do. they're going to recognize other people who are living historically other people who are living historically other people who are living historically and they're going to recognize you as um and they're going to recognize you as um and they're going to recognize you as um it doesn't even have to be as as allies it doesn't even have to be as as allies it doesn't even have to be as as allies or enemies but just as people who are or enemies but just as people who are or enemies but just as people who are doing that and then once that happens it doing that and then once that happens it doing that and then once that happens it becomes you know much more difficult to becomes you know much more difficult to becomes you know much more difficult to pull the wool over their eyes and so the pull the wool over their eyes and so the pull the wool over their eyes and so the Spanish are a people who still have a Spanish are a people who still have a Spanish are a people who still have a remnant of their population and remnant of their population and remnant of their population and something deeply embedded in their something deeply embedded in their something deeply embedded in their culture that allows them to see things culture that allows them to see things culture that allows them to see things that we here in America for example that we here in America for example that we here in America for example where almost nobody is living

where almost nobody is living where almost nobody is living historically uh in the sense that we've historically uh in the sense that we've historically uh in the sense that we've been talking about is even really we been talking about is even really we been talking about is even really we just don't have the conceptual horizon just don't have the conceptual horizon just don't have the conceptual horizon that encompasses you know um uh enough that encompasses you know um uh enough that encompasses you know um uh enough to allow us to recognize that in other to allow us to recognize that in other to allow us to recognize that in other people probably you know if you were to people probably you know if you were to people probably you know if you were to take maybe the Tucker Carlson audience take maybe the Tucker Carlson audience take maybe the Tucker Carlson audience is obviously an exception but if you is obviously an exception but if you is obviously an exception but if you were to just take a lot of this were to just take a lot of this were to just take a lot of this conversation and show it to a lot of uh conversation and show it to a lot of uh conversation and show it to a lot of uh just a random cross-section of people just a random cross-section of people just a random cross-section of people they would think they wouldn't they would think they wouldn't they would think they wouldn't understand half of what I was saying understand half of what I was saying understand half of what I was saying what do you mean living historically what do you mean living historically what do you mean living historically what do you mean intergenerationally I what do you mean intergenerationally I what do you mean intergenerationally I care about what happens to my kids or care about what happens to my kids or care about what happens to my kids or but this idea of being part of a great but this idea of being part of a great but this idea of being part of a great chain of being that there's an organic chain of being that there's an organic chain of being that there's an organic living community of which you were a living community of which you were a living community of which you were a part that goes through history as uh as part that goes through history as uh as part that goes through history as uh as as as as a as a cohesive unit even as as as as a as a cohesive unit even as as as as a as a cohesive unit even as the individuals that comprise it pass in the individuals that comprise it pass in the individuals that comprise it pass in and out of the world. Um, you know, this and out of the world. Um, you know, this and out of the world. Um, you know, this is something that used to be taken for is something that used to be taken for is something that used to be taken for granted by all humans everywhere in the granted by all humans everywhere in the granted by all humans everywhere in the world, at least once we proceeded out of world, at least once we proceeded out of world, at least once we proceeded out of paganism. And, uh, that's what's been paganism. And, uh, that's what's been paganism. And, uh, that's what's been lost. And the people who are still out lost. And the people who are still out lost. And the people who are still out there living that way, at least in there living that way, at least in there living that way, at least in remnant, um, have a different remnant, um, have a different remnant, um, have a different relationship to each other than they relationship to each other than they relationship to each other than they have to the rest of the world that's no have to the rest of the world that's no have to the rest of the world that's no longer living that way. If that makes longer living that way. If that makes longer living that way. If that makes sense.

sense. sense. >> Not only does it make sense, it's one of >> Not only does it make sense, it's one of >> Not only does it make sense, it's one of the most profound things I've heard in a the most profound things I've heard in a the most profound things I've heard in a long time. I assume you've said this before. What I assume you've said this before. What kind of reaction do you get from that? kind of reaction do you get from that? kind of reaction do you get from that? >> Well, um I would say that the >> Well, um I would say that the >> Well, um I would say that the um my audience is fairly curated partly um my audience is fairly curated partly um my audience is fairly curated partly thanks to you. So they're used to um you thanks to you. So they're used to um you thanks to you. So they're used to um you know, they're used to hearing me talk know, they're used to hearing me talk know, they're used to hearing me talk like that. Um so the reaction is is like that. Um so the reaction is is like that. Um so the reaction is is usually fine. But I have had the usually fine. But I have had the usually fine. But I have had the experience from time to time where you experience from time to time where you experience from time to time where you speak out of class on these issues and speak out of class on these issues and speak out of class on these issues and usually it's not even hostility you run usually it's not even hostility you run usually it's not even hostility you run into. A lot of times it's just people into. A lot of times it's just people into. A lot of times it's just people are befuddled. They don't exactly even are befuddled. They don't exactly even are befuddled. They don't exactly even know what I'm what I'm getting at. Um, know what I'm what I'm getting at. Um, know what I'm what I'm getting at. Um, which is unfortunate cuz again this is which is unfortunate cuz again this is which is unfortunate cuz again this is something that something that something that it was taken for granted by it was taken for granted by it was taken for granted by >> well and then taken from people without >> well and then taken from people without >> well and then taken from people without even uh their knowledge and it's one of even uh their knowledge and it's one of even uh their knowledge and it's one of the essential things to and George W. the essential things to and George W. the essential things to and George W. Bush who didn't put many things well put Bush who didn't put many things well put Bush who didn't put many things well put it this well and he said everybody wants it this well and he said everybody wants it this well and he said everybody wants to believe they're living for something to believe they're living for something to believe they're living for something bigger than themselves. And I and you bigger than themselves. And I and you bigger than themselves. And I and you know the missions that have taken the know the missions that have taken the know the missions that have taken the place of living historically of being place of living historically of being place of living historically of being attached to this larger hole are so attached to this larger hole are so attached to this larger hole are so small small small you know liberating Ukraine okay you you know liberating Ukraine okay you you know liberating Ukraine okay you know or whatever whatever the you know know or whatever whatever the you know know or whatever whatever the you know war on poverty war on cancer you know war on poverty war on cancer you know war on poverty war on cancer you know these are I mean I'm against invasions these are I mean I'm against invasions these are I mean I'm against invasions I'm against war I'm against poverty I'm I'm against war I'm against poverty I'm I'm against war I'm against poverty I'm you know I get it but fundamentally you know I get it but fundamentally you know I get it but fundamentally they're offering up a vision that is so they're offering up a vision that is so they're offering up a vision that is so just like silly and just like silly and just like silly and >> it's one the reasons I feel so terrible

>> it's one the reasons I feel so terrible >> it's one the reasons I feel so terrible for the for the people in Ukraine. You for the for the people in Ukraine. You for the for the people in Ukraine. You know, your average nationalist in know, your average nationalist in know, your average nationalist in Ukraine who thinks that [clears throat] Ukraine who thinks that [clears throat] Ukraine who thinks that [clears throat] this is what he's doing. this is what he's doing. this is what he's doing. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> But he's serving the forces that are >> But he's serving the forces that are >> But he's serving the forces that are actually attacking it. And it's just actually attacking it. And it's just actually attacking it. And it's just very sad. very sad. very sad. >> Well, and of course that, you know, the >> Well, and of course that, you know, the >> Well, and of course that, you know, the very first thing the Zilinsky government very first thing the Zilinsky government very first thing the Zilinsky government did was ban the largest Christian did was ban the largest Christian did was ban the largest Christian denomination and put priests in jail. denomination and put priests in jail. denomination and put priests in jail. So, it's impossible not to see the So, it's impossible not to see the So, it's impossible not to see the Zalinski project, which is not Ukrainian Zalinski project, which is not Ukrainian Zalinski project, which is not Ukrainian in any sense. in any sense. in any sense. >> I think he only learned the Ukrainian >> I think he only learned the Ukrainian >> I think he only learned the Ukrainian language something like eight or nine language something like eight or nine language something like eight or nine years ago. years ago. years ago. >> Yeah. The whole thing's absurd, but he's >> Yeah. The whole thing's absurd, but he's >> Yeah. The whole thing's absurd, but he's the Trosky of Ukraine. Okay, fine. But the Trosky of Ukraine. Okay, fine. But the Trosky of Ukraine. Okay, fine. But it's the same [clears throat] it's the same [clears throat] it's the same [clears throat] >> as the French Revolution and the Spanish >> as the French Revolution and the Spanish >> as the French Revolution and the Spanish Civil War and and the Bullshik Civil War and and the Bullshik Civil War and and the Bullshik Revolution. It's exactly the same Revolution. It's exactly the same Revolution. It's exactly the same program. It's the anti-Jesus program. program. It's the anti-Jesus program. program. It's the anti-Jesus program. And like it always winds up in the same And like it always winds up in the same And like it always winds up in the same place, which was in total destruction place, which was in total destruction place, which was in total destruction and misery. And the Ukrainians are an and misery. And the Ukrainians are an and misery. And the Ukrainians are an unusually great people, I think, just unusually great people, I think, just unusually great people, I think, just based on knowing a lot of them. like based on knowing a lot of them. like based on knowing a lot of them. like great people, excellent people, great great people, excellent people, great great people, excellent people, great culture, just good-hearted, decent culture, just good-hearted, decent culture, just good-hearted, decent Christian people. And the fact that Christian people. And the fact that Christian people. And the fact that they're being subjected to this is they're being subjected to this is they're being subjected to this is really sad.

really sad. really sad. >> It is. Yeah, it is. The uh it's it's a >> It is. Yeah, it is. The uh it's it's a >> It is. Yeah, it is. The uh it's it's a it's a going to go down as a mark of it's a going to go down as a mark of it's a going to go down as a mark of great shame on our country that we had great shame on our country that we had great shame on our country that we had anything to do with that whole anything to do with that whole anything to do with that whole situation. I mean, that's a that's an situation. I mean, that's a that's an situation. I mean, that's a that's an understatement of our involvement, understatement of our involvement, understatement of our involvement, obviously, but it's a terrible shame. obviously, but it's a terrible shame. obviously, but it's a terrible shame. And you know, I I guess I'm I'm really And you know, I I guess I'm I'm really And you know, I I guess I'm I'm really grateful that DSTVK has been my favorite grateful that DSTVK has been my favorite grateful that DSTVK has been my favorite author since I was in high school author since I was in high school author since I was in high school because it made it so that uh you know, because it made it so that uh you know, because it made it so that uh you know, when I started getting bombarded on all when I started getting bombarded on all when I started getting bombarded on all sides with anti-Russian propaganda, it sides with anti-Russian propaganda, it sides with anti-Russian propaganda, it was just I had an immune system built up was just I had an immune system built up was just I had an immune system built up to it because I already loved these to it because I already loved these to it because I already loved these people. You know, people. You know, people. You know, >> anyone who wrote the brothers karmazov >> anyone who wrote the brothers karmazov >> anyone who wrote the brothers karmazov cannot, you know, that's not a shallow cannot, you know, that's not a shallow cannot, you know, that's not a shallow culture. You can say whatever you want culture. You can say whatever you want culture. You can say whatever you want about Russia. about Russia. about Russia. >> It's not my enemy. I don't care. You >> It's not my enemy. I don't care. You >> It's not my enemy. I don't care. You know, know, know, >> so strongly agree. Last question. as >> so strongly agree. Last question. as >> so strongly agree. Last question. as the United States for many reasons the United States for many reasons the United States for many reasons including its own sins gets pulled into including its own sins gets pulled into including its own sins gets pulled into all of this what's happening in Europe all of this what's happening in Europe all of this what's happening in Europe is happening here maybe even is happening here maybe even is happening here maybe even more aggressively we just don't know more aggressively we just don't know more aggressively we just don't know that but it is how how do individuals that but it is how how do individuals that but it is how how do individuals respond to that respond to that respond to that is this is usually not a popular answer is this is usually not a popular answer is this is usually not a popular answer um but I think that I'm not saying don't um but I think that I'm not saying don't um but I think that I'm not saying don't go vote in the next presidential go vote in the next presidential go vote in the next presidential election or anything like that. But um I election or anything like that. But um I election or anything like that. But um I think that the idea of imposing a think that the idea of imposing a think that the idea of imposing a solution politically from the high the solution politically from the high the solution politically from the high the highest levels is probably I I think highest levels is probably I I think highest levels is probably I I think that's probably a lost game. I think we that's probably a lost game. I think we that's probably a lost game. I think we have to start to uh we have to start to

have to start to uh we have to start to have to start to uh we have to start to look very close to us and build out from look very close to us and build out from look very close to us and build out from there. You need to focus on your family. there. You need to focus on your family. there. You need to focus on your family. You need to know who your neighbors are. You need to know who your neighbors are. You need to know who your neighbors are. you need to I mean because think about you need to I mean because think about you need to I mean because think about it like a a society works best or works it like a a society works best or works it like a a society works best or works at all when each of the concentric at all when each of the concentric at all when each of the concentric circles of concern you know your family circles of concern you know your family circles of concern you know your family your community somewhere out here is your community somewhere out here is your community somewhere out here is your country um maybe further out is your country um maybe further out is your country um maybe further out is your civilization that each one of those your civilization that each one of those your civilization that each one of those concentrics that are further out have concentrics that are further out have concentrics that are further out have legitimacy because they nourish the ones legitimacy because they nourish the ones legitimacy because they nourish the ones that are closer in and that it's those that are closer in and that it's those that are closer in and that it's those that protect and and nourish you know that protect and and nourish you know that protect and and nourish you know the ones that that are closer And so the ones that that are closer And so the ones that that are closer And so your community matters because that's your community matters because that's your community matters because that's the world in which your family is able the world in which your family is able the world in which your family is able to thrive together. You know, your um to thrive together. You know, your um to thrive together. You know, your um larger political community matters larger political community matters larger political community matters because it allows your community, you because it allows your community, you because it allows your community, you know, and so like that's that's how a know, and so like that's that's how a know, and so like that's that's how a society maintains legitimacy over time society maintains legitimacy over time society maintains legitimacy over time and becomes something that people are and becomes something that people are and becomes something that people are willing to march off by the millions to willing to march off by the millions to willing to march off by the millions to defend if that's what it comes down to. defend if that's what it comes down to. defend if that's what it comes down to. Um, and I think that that unfortunately Um, and I think that that unfortunately Um, and I think that that unfortunately um, again over an incredibly short um, again over an incredibly short um, again over an incredibly short period of time has I mean think about period of time has I mean think about period of time has I mean think about how crazy this is. Like we went from all how crazy this is. Like we went from all how crazy this is. Like we went from all of human history and I'm not talking of human history and I'm not talking of human history and I'm not talking about back to the Sumerianss. I'm about back to the Sumerianss. I'm about back to the Sumerianss. I'm talking about back to you know Homo talking about back to you know Homo talking about back to you know Homo erectus basically.

erectus basically. erectus basically. >> Um, people lived in a cohesive coherent >> Um, people lived in a cohesive coherent >> Um, people lived in a cohesive coherent community among people who knew them and community among people who knew them and community among people who knew them and who they knew. uh who some of them who they knew. uh who some of them who they knew. uh who some of them watched them be born. They would watch watched them be born. They would watch watched them be born. They would watch those people die. I mean they they lived those people die. I mean they they lived those people die. I mean they they lived within a community that they were that within a community that they were that within a community that they were that they were absolutely plugged into as a they were absolutely plugged into as a they were absolutely plugged into as a as a significant part of people lived as a significant part of people lived as a significant part of people lived all of human history that way up until all of human history that way up until all of human history that way up until like the 1950s or 60s and then we just like the 1950s or 60s and then we just like the 1950s or 60s and then we just in a generation that has completely in a generation that has completely in a generation that has completely evaporated. So that people literally evaporated. So that people literally evaporated. So that people literally don't know the name of their neighbor don't know the name of their neighbor don't know the name of their neighbor that they live next to for years and that they live next to for years and that they live next to for years and they have no uh I mean even worse than they have no uh I mean even worse than they have no uh I mean even worse than that. I mean their kids leave for that. I mean their kids leave for that. I mean their kids leave for college and for the rest of your life college and for the rest of your life college and for the rest of your life you see them once every two years on you see them once every two years on you see them once every two years on Christmas because you know one year they Christmas because you know one year they Christmas because you know one year they come see you and next year they have to come see you and next year they have to come see you and next year they have to go see the in-laws and that's it. And go see the in-laws and that's it. And go see the in-laws and that's it. And maybe you hear from them on the phone maybe you hear from them on the phone maybe you hear from them on the phone once or twice a year. That is something once or twice a year. That is something once or twice a year. That is something that you took something that was that you took something that was that you took something that was absolutely so fundamental to being absolutely so fundamental to being absolutely so fundamental to being human. the social environment that we human. the social environment that we human. the social environment that we literally evolved to be adapted to and literally evolved to be adapted to and literally evolved to be adapted to and you strip that away from people and you strip that away from people and you strip that away from people and threw them out on their own resources threw them out on their own resources threw them out on their own resources and they're expected to go out there now and they're expected to go out there now and they're expected to go out there now and find meaning for their lives and and find meaning for their lives and and find meaning for their lives and orient [clears throat] themselves in the orient [clears throat] themselves in the orient [clears throat] themselves in the world without recourse to um a broader world without recourse to um a broader world without recourse to um a broader community or even a family and community or even a family and community or even a family and that's what needs to be rebuilt and that's what needs to be rebuilt and that's what needs to be rebuilt and you're not going to rebuild that from you're not going to rebuild that from you're not going to rebuild that from the Oval Office or from the halls of the Oval Office or from the halls of the Oval Office or from the halls of Congress. It's got to be something that Congress. It's got to be something that Congress. It's got to be something that starts so you know it's very seductive.

starts so you know it's very seductive. starts so you know it's very seductive. People on the right like to uh make fun People on the right like to uh make fun People on the right like to uh make fun of people on the left or criticize of people on the left or criticize of people on the left or criticize people on the left for being so so so people on the left for being so so so people on the left for being so so so concerned and having so much love and concerned and having so much love and concerned and having so much love and concern for people who are far far away concern for people who are far far away concern for people who are far far away from them but the people who are you from them but the people who are you from them but the people who are you know right here close to them. They know right here close to them. They know right here close to them. They really don't like those people that really don't like those people that really don't like those people that much. And that is a thing for sure. But much. And that is a thing for sure. But much. And that is a thing for sure. But we do that on on the right as well where we do that on on the right as well where we do that on on the right as well where you have a lot of people who you have a lot of people who you have a lot of people who interpersonally don't really feel a need interpersonally don't really feel a need interpersonally don't really feel a need to love their neighbor, treat their to love their neighbor, treat their to love their neighbor, treat their neighbor as themselves, but even their neighbor as themselves, but even their neighbor as themselves, but even their own children own children own children >> who are so concerned about whether um >> who are so concerned about whether um >> who are so concerned about whether um you know the the federal government is you know the the federal government is you know the the federal government is being used to impose some moral law that being used to impose some moral law that being used to impose some moral law that they you know that they that that is they you know that they that that is they you know that they that that is important, but that you know the far important, but that you know the far important, but that you know the far more important thing is uh are the more important thing is uh are the more important thing is uh are the things that are within reach. Start things that are within reach. Start things that are within reach. Start there and build out. And once you start there and build out. And once you start there and build out. And once you start to do that, here's the magical thing to do that, here's the magical thing to do that, here's the magical thing about it is once you start to do it, you about it is once you start to do it, you about it is once you start to do it, you won't even have to explain it to won't even have to explain it to won't even have to explain it to yourself. It'll be so obvious that this yourself. It'll be so obvious that this yourself. It'll be so obvious that this is uh that this is um the proper way to is uh that this is um the proper way to is uh that this is um the proper way to do it because what you're doing is do it because what you're doing is do it because what you're doing is you're you're building something that you're you're building something that you're you're building something that you will know in the deepest core of you will know in the deepest core of you will know in the deepest core of your being is worth defending. And um your being is worth defending. And um your being is worth defending. And um once you've done that, you know, then once you've done that, you know, then once you've done that, you know, then you've got solid ground to stand on to you've got solid ground to stand on to you've got solid ground to stand on to move out from there and hopefully fix move out from there and hopefully fix move out from there and hopefully fix the bigger picture.

the bigger picture. the bigger picture. Jerro Cooper, just every time I see you, Jerro Cooper, just every time I see you, Jerro Cooper, just every time I see you, it's it's really a soul bath. So, thank it's it's really a soul bath. So, thank it's it's really a soul bath. So, thank you very much. Anytime. [music]