Steve Baker on the CIA, FBI, Directed Energy Weapons, and the Lies of the J6 Pipe Bomb Case

One of the most frustrating parts of the One of the most frustrating parts of the information overload that we live in now information overload that we live in now information overload that we live in now where things are constantly coming at us where things are constantly coming at us where things are constantly coming at us through our phones is that we never get through our phones is that we never get through our phones is that we never get a resolution to some of the biggest a resolution to some of the biggest a resolution to some of the biggest stories of our time. Something will just stories of our time. Something will just stories of our time. Something will just explode. It'll happen. Well, that's explode. It'll happen. Well, that's explode. It'll happen. Well, that's amazing. I can't believe that. And amazing. I can't believe that. And amazing. I can't believe that. And you'll have about 4 hours to think about you'll have about 4 hours to think about you'll have about 4 hours to think about what happened and its implications. Then what happened and its implications. Then what happened and its implications. Then you're on to the next thing. That's just you're on to the next thing. That's just you're on to the next thing. That's just the nature of having too much the nature of having too much the nature of having too much information. Now, whether that's by information. Now, whether that's by information. Now, whether that's by design, whether we're being overloaded design, whether we're being overloaded design, whether we're being overloaded as part of some diabolical plan to keep as part of some diabolical plan to keep as part of some diabolical plan to keep us distracted, or whether that's a us distracted, or whether that's a us distracted, or whether that's a natural byproduct of technology, natural byproduct of technology, natural byproduct of technology, unrestrained technology, it's not clear, unrestrained technology, it's not clear, unrestrained technology, it's not clear, and it probably doesn't matter because and it probably doesn't matter because and it probably doesn't matter because that's the daily lived experience of that's the daily lived experience of that's the daily lived experience of most Americans. Something huge will most Americans. Something huge will most Americans. Something huge will happen. You'll form an impression of it. happen. You'll form an impression of it. happen. You'll form an impression of it. It's not clear whether that's a correct It's not clear whether that's a correct It's not clear whether that's a correct impression or not, and then we'll move impression or not, and then we'll move impression or not, and then we'll move on. And this is true even of really big on. And this is true even of really big on. And this is true even of really big events. The biggest mass shooting in events. The biggest mass shooting in events. The biggest mass shooting in American history, took place a little American history, took place a little American history, took place a little less than nine years ago, 2017 less than nine years ago, 2017 less than nine years ago, 2017 in Las Vegas, and some guy apparently in Las Vegas, and some guy apparently in Las Vegas, and some guy apparently opened fire on a concert right below opened fire on a concert right below opened fire on a concert right below him. You remember this?

him. You remember this? him. You remember this? 867 867 867 people were injured. 60 were killed by people were injured. 60 were killed by people were injured. 60 were killed by gunfire at least. gunfire at least. gunfire at least. And there was an FBI investigation and And there was an FBI investigation and And there was an FBI investigation and the authorities stared into the camera. the authorities stared into the camera. the authorities stared into the camera. And so we're going to get to the bottom And so we're going to get to the bottom And so we're going to get to the bottom of this. And the normal parasites showed of this. And the normal parasites showed of this. And the normal parasites showed up telling us that, you know, the lesson up telling us that, you know, the lesson up telling us that, you know, the lesson is we have too many guns in this is we have too many guns in this is we have too many guns in this country. Guns are the problem. You country. Guns are the problem. You country. Guns are the problem. You shouldn't have a gun because a lunatic shouldn't have a gun because a lunatic shouldn't have a gun because a lunatic shot people in Las Vegas or whatever. shot people in Las Vegas or whatever. shot people in Las Vegas or whatever. They took advantage of the tragedy to They took advantage of the tragedy to They took advantage of the tragedy to push their own agendas. push their own agendas. push their own agendas. And then that's kind of last we heard of And then that's kind of last we heard of And then that's kind of last we heard of it. Who was this guy? Some guy. Steven it. Who was this guy? Some guy. Steven it. Who was this guy? Some guy. Steven Paddock. Some guy. What was his motive? Paddock. Some guy. What was his motive? Paddock. Some guy. What was his motive? Unclear. Didn't leave a manifesto. So we Unclear. Didn't leave a manifesto. So we Unclear. Didn't leave a manifesto. So we don't really know. don't really know. don't really know. There seems to be some evidence that the There seems to be some evidence that the There seems to be some evidence that the official story is false. official story is false. official story is false. Nah, it's fine. And then because we were Nah, it's fine. And then because we were Nah, it's fine. And then because we were so distracted with all the other things so distracted with all the other things so distracted with all the other things that were taking place at the time, no that were taking place at the time, no that were taking place at the time, no one ever really followed up in a one ever really followed up in a one ever really followed up in a satisfactory way. And so even now, the satisfactory way. And so even now, the satisfactory way. And so even now, the largest mass shooting in American largest mass shooting in American largest mass shooting in American history is solved officially. But do we history is solved officially. But do we history is solved officially. But do we have a satisfactory answer that explains have a satisfactory answer that explains have a satisfactory answer that explains why it happened? No, we don't. We're not why it happened? No, we don't. We're not why it happened? No, we don't. We're not even close to that. In fact, the answer even close to that. In fact, the answer even close to that. In fact, the answer that we do have may be completely that we do have may be completely that we do have may be completely different from the actual answer we different from the actual answer we different from the actual answer we don't know and no one is actively trying don't know and no one is actively trying don't know and no one is actively trying to find out because again we're on to to find out because again we're on to to find out because again we're on to the next thing and so on and so on and the next thing and so on and so on and the next thing and so on and so on and so on with almost every big news story so on with almost every big news story so on with almost every big news story over the past I don't know 15 years more over the past I don't know 15 years more over the past I don't know 15 years more and there's kind of no way to change and there's kind of no way to change and there's kind of no way to change this because there's not enough time in this because there's not enough time in this because there's not enough time in life to go back and reverse engineer

life to go back and reverse engineer life to go back and reverse engineer what we thought we knew about the most what we thought we knew about the most what we thought we knew about the most significant moments in American history significant moments in American history significant moments in American history but there are a few of them that are but there are a few of them that are but there are a few of them that are worth pressing on even though years have worth pressing on even though years have worth pressing on even though years have passed. And one of them, one of the top passed. And one of them, one of the top passed. And one of them, one of the top ones after 9/11, which is the most ones after 9/11, which is the most ones after 9/11, which is the most important story of our lives because it important story of our lives because it important story of our lives because it completely changed America, the completely changed America, the completely changed America, the structure of America. But after that, structure of America. But after that, structure of America. But after that, you'd have to say that January 6th is you'd have to say that January 6th is you'd have to say that January 6th is near the top of the list. Why? Well, a near the top of the list. Why? Well, a near the top of the list. Why? Well, a bunch of reasons. bunch of reasons. bunch of reasons. Most obviously, because January 6th Most obviously, because January 6th Most obviously, because January 6th produced the single largest federal produced the single largest federal produced the single largest federal criminal investigation in American criminal investigation in American criminal investigation in American history. almost every single FBI field history. almost every single FBI field history. almost every single FBI field office was involved in tracking down the office was involved in tracking down the office was involved in tracking down the perpetrators of this insurrection in perpetrators of this insurrection in perpetrators of this insurrection in which many policemen were murdered and which many policemen were murdered and which many policemen were murdered and so on and so forth. Well, almost every so on and so forth. Well, almost every so on and so forth. Well, almost every one of those details turned out to be a one of those details turned out to be a one of those details turned out to be a lie. It was not actually an lie. It was not actually an lie. It was not actually an insurrection. No one was armed. No one insurrection. No one was armed. No one insurrection. No one was armed. No one had a gun. There's no such thing as an had a gun. There's no such thing as an had a gun. There's no such thing as an unarmed insurrection. Can't insurrect unarmed insurrection. Can't insurrect unarmed insurrection. Can't insurrect if you're unarmed. if you're unarmed. if you're unarmed. And no police officers were murdered And no police officers were murdered And no police officers were murdered that day. In fact, the only person shot that day. In fact, the only person shot that day. In fact, the only person shot to death that day was a protester who to death that day was a protester who to death that day was a protester who was shot to death by a cop, a capital was shot to death by a cop, a capital was shot to death by a cop, a capital policeman called Michael Bird. Her name policeman called Michael Bird. Her name policeman called Michael Bird. Her name was Ashley Babbett. You're familiar with was Ashley Babbett. You're familiar with was Ashley Babbett. You're familiar with the the rough outline of this. But the the the rough outline of this. But the the the rough outline of this. But the one fact that is true is that this did one fact that is true is that this did one fact that is true is that this did produce the largest FBI investigation in produce the largest FBI investigation in produce the largest FBI investigation in American history. Something American history. Something American history. Something 5,000 agents were involved. And in the 5,000 agents were involved. And in the 5,000 agents were involved. And in the end, they arrested about 1,500 people end, they arrested about 1,500 people end, they arrested about 1,500 people on federal crimes. And a bunch of those on federal crimes. And a bunch of those on federal crimes. And a bunch of those people went to jail. Now, not everybody

people went to jail. Now, not everybody people went to jail. Now, not everybody who is involved that day on camera, who is involved that day on camera, who is involved that day on camera, provably involved, including people who provably involved, including people who provably involved, including people who encouraged others to breach the capital, encouraged others to breach the capital, encouraged others to breach the capital, to go inside to break an obvious law to go inside to break an obvious law to go inside to break an obvious law by going into a locked federal building. by going into a locked federal building. by going into a locked federal building. Not all of those people wound up being Not all of those people wound up being Not all of those people wound up being charged or serving jail time. Nick charged or serving jail time. Nick charged or serving jail time. Nick Fentes, for example, was on camera Fentes, for example, was on camera Fentes, for example, was on camera encouraging people to storm the capital. encouraging people to storm the capital. encouraging people to storm the capital. He wasn't punished for that apparently. He wasn't punished for that apparently. He wasn't punished for that apparently. Certainly didn't serve any jail time Certainly didn't serve any jail time Certainly didn't serve any jail time over it. Ray Eps didn't serve any jail over it. Ray Eps didn't serve any jail over it. Ray Eps didn't serve any jail time over it. Same thing. What is that? time over it. Same thing. What is that? time over it. Same thing. What is that? Maybe just a weird anomaly Maybe just a weird anomaly Maybe just a weird anomaly where the feds spent years in the again where the feds spent years in the again where the feds spent years in the again largest largest largest domestic criminal investigation in domestic criminal investigation in domestic criminal investigation in American history, charged 1500 people American history, charged 1500 people American history, charged 1500 people with federal crimes, but just missed a with federal crimes, but just missed a with federal crimes, but just missed a couple who were on camera encouraging couple who were on camera encouraging couple who were on camera encouraging others to break the law. You know, others to break the law. You know, others to break the law. You know, things happen. Bureaucracies are things happen. Bureaucracies are things happen. Bureaucracies are famously inefficient. Maybe they just famously inefficient. Maybe they just famously inefficient. Maybe they just kind of forgot those guys or maybe kind of forgot those guys or maybe kind of forgot those guys or maybe something else was going on. We're still something else was going on. We're still something else was going on. We're still arguing about that.

arguing about that. arguing about that. But lost in all of this debate, and But lost in all of this debate, and But lost in all of this debate, and you'll remember there wasn't much debate you'll remember there wasn't much debate you'll remember there wasn't much debate about January 6th at first. Everybody about January 6th at first. Everybody about January 6th at first. Everybody was appalled by it. It was an was appalled by it. It was an was appalled by it. It was an insurrection. Republicans were appalled insurrection. Republicans were appalled insurrection. Republicans were appalled by it. When Ashley Bird was killed, by it. When Ashley Bird was killed, by it. When Ashley Bird was killed, there were Republican senators who there were Republican senators who there were Republican senators who applauded the shooting of an unarmed applauded the shooting of an unarmed applauded the shooting of an unarmed woman, an Air Force veteran, by a cop woman, an Air Force veteran, by a cop woman, an Air Force veteran, by a cop with a record of reckless behavior. with a record of reckless behavior. with a record of reckless behavior. Michael Bird. Michael Bird. Michael Bird. They were just happy she was dead They were just happy she was dead They were just happy she was dead because she was threatening them because she was threatening them because she was threatening them somehow. She was like 5'2 somehow. She was like 5'2 somehow. She was like 5'2 and unarmed woman and she was shot to and unarmed woman and she was shot to and unarmed woman and she was shot to death for no justifiable reason. But death for no justifiable reason. But death for no justifiable reason. But they were happy. Republicans were happy. they were happy. Republicans were happy. they were happy. Republicans were happy. And why were they happy? Well, because And why were they happy? Well, because And why were they happy? Well, because they're a lot of them are basically they're a lot of them are basically they're a lot of them are basically authoritarian, of course, but because authoritarian, of course, but because authoritarian, of course, but because they felt threatened. They're such they felt threatened. They're such they felt threatened. They're such physical cowards that Ashley Babbot her physical cowards that Ashley Babbot her physical cowards that Ashley Babbot her presence threatened them apparently. presence threatened them apparently. presence threatened them apparently. So almost nobody really asked these So almost nobody really asked these So almost nobody really asked these questions at first and the few who did questions at first and the few who did questions at first and the few who did were strongly discouraged from asking were strongly discouraged from asking were strongly discouraged from asking those questions. They were defending those questions. They were defending those questions. They were defending violence or vandalism or whatever violence or vandalism or whatever violence or vandalism or whatever insurrection.

insurrection. insurrection. But over time it became clear that the But over time it became clear that the But over time it became clear that the purpose of the exercise was to discredit purpose of the exercise was to discredit purpose of the exercise was to discredit Donald Trump who had just lost the Donald Trump who had just lost the Donald Trump who had just lost the election. Remember this all took place election. Remember this all took place election. Remember this all took place on the day the vote was being certified. on the day the vote was being certified. on the day the vote was being certified. accuse him of trying to overturn the accuse him of trying to overturn the accuse him of trying to overturn the results of that election, get him results of that election, get him results of that election, get him impeached and convicted, and thereby impeached and convicted, and thereby impeached and convicted, and thereby prevent him from ever running for office prevent him from ever running for office prevent him from ever running for office again. The purpose of the whole again. The purpose of the whole again. The purpose of the whole exercise, at least the aftermath, the exercise, at least the aftermath, the exercise, at least the aftermath, the propaganda, the lies that attached to propaganda, the lies that attached to propaganda, the lies that attached to the events subsequently, the purpose of the events subsequently, the purpose of the events subsequently, the purpose of that was to solve the Trump problem once that was to solve the Trump problem once that was to solve the Trump problem once and for all. Like, he's gone. He will and for all. Like, he's gone. He will and for all. Like, he's gone. He will never darken our city with a shadow never darken our city with a shadow never darken our city with a shadow again. We're not going to have to deal again. We're not going to have to deal again. We're not going to have to deal with that. all the uncomfortable with that. all the uncomfortable with that. all the uncomfortable questions about our foreign policy or questions about our foreign policy or questions about our foreign policy or our economic policy like no more Trump our economic policy like no more Trump our economic policy like no more Trump and both parties could get behind that. and both parties could get behind that. and both parties could get behind that. In fact, they strongly were both behind In fact, they strongly were both behind In fact, they strongly were both behind that. This is before they subverted that. This is before they subverted that. This is before they subverted Trump and somehow brought him to their Trump and somehow brought him to their Trump and somehow brought him to their side. Who knows how that happened. We've side. Who knows how that happened. We've side. Who knows how that happened. We've addressed that in other episodes. But addressed that in other episodes. But addressed that in other episodes. But the point is we now know with some the point is we now know with some the point is we now know with some clarity and certainty that January 6 was clarity and certainty that January 6 was clarity and certainty that January 6 was not in fact an insurrection against the not in fact an insurrection against the not in fact an insurrection against the Congress. It was an insurrection by the Congress. It was an insurrection by the Congress. It was an insurrection by the Congress, by Permanent Washington Congress, by Permanent Washington Congress, by Permanent Washington against the population against the population against the population and that's really really clear. But and that's really really clear. But and that's really really clear. But there was one part of that story that there was one part of that story that there was one part of that story that was really never resolved at all one way was really never resolved at all one way was really never resolved at all one way or the other. And it was uh a widely or the other. And it was uh a widely or the other. And it was uh a widely reported facet and then soon forgotten reported facet and then soon forgotten reported facet and then soon forgotten part of the story in which somebody part of the story in which somebody part of the story in which somebody planted pipe bombs like uniomber type

planted pipe bombs like uniomber type planted pipe bombs like uniomber type pipe bombs pipes with explosives outside pipe bombs pipes with explosives outside pipe bombs pipes with explosives outside the Republican National Committee and the Republican National Committee and the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee the the Democratic National Committee the the Democratic National Committee the morning of 9/11. morning of 9/11. morning of 9/11. And this is one of those stories again And this is one of those stories again And this is one of those stories again that right away in the first hours after that right away in the first hours after that right away in the first hours after the fake insurrection happened. News the fake insurrection happened. News the fake insurrection happened. News outlets told you about it and then they outlets told you about it and then they outlets told you about it and then they kind of stopped reporting on it. And kind of stopped reporting on it. And kind of stopped reporting on it. And then we learned maybe a year later that then we learned maybe a year later that then we learned maybe a year later that Kla Harris was at the DNC when the pipe Kla Harris was at the DNC when the pipe Kla Harris was at the DNC when the pipe bomb was found, but somehow she never bomb was found, but somehow she never bomb was found, but somehow she never mentioned it and you began to think it's mentioned it and you began to think it's mentioned it and you began to think it's not clear what happened there, but not clear what happened there, but not clear what happened there, but probably not what they told us. And by probably not what they told us. And by probably not what they told us. And by the way, why haven't they answered the the way, why haven't they answered the the way, why haven't they answered the question, who did this? This is Capitol question, who did this? This is Capitol question, who did this? This is Capitol Hill. This is Washington DC. This is one Hill. This is Washington DC. This is one Hill. This is Washington DC. This is one of the most surveiled places on planet of the most surveiled places on planet of the most surveiled places on planet Earth. There are very few physical spots Earth. There are very few physical spots Earth. There are very few physical spots on Capitol Hill where you're not being on Capitol Hill where you're not being on Capitol Hill where you're not being monitored by cameras where there's no monitored by cameras where there's no monitored by cameras where there's no CCTV CCTV CCTV recording your movements. And of course, recording your movements. And of course, recording your movements. And of course, now with advances in technology, facial now with advances in technology, facial now with advances in technology, facial recognition, but others, it should be recognition, but others, it should be recognition, but others, it should be pretty easy to find out who planted pretty easy to find out who planted pretty easy to find out who planted bombs on Capitol Hill. especially if bombs on Capitol Hill. especially if bombs on Capitol Hill. especially if you've got the largest domestic law you've got the largest domestic law you've got the largest domestic law enforcement investigation in American enforcement investigation in American enforcement investigation in American history trying to find out. But instead, history trying to find out. But instead, history trying to find out. But instead, there was basically silence until a guy there was basically silence until a guy there was basically silence until a guy called Darren Bey, called Darren Bey, called Darren Bey, who ran at the time a website called who ran at the time a website called who ran at the time a website called Revolver News, Revolver News, Revolver News, ran a piece that asked that question ran a piece that asked that question ran a piece that asked that question like, "Wait, why haven't they solved like, "Wait, why haven't they solved like, "Wait, why haven't they solved this? And what was that? How would that this? And what was that? How would that this? And what was that? How would that be connected

be connected be connected to the events of January 6th if this was to the events of January 6th if this was to the events of January 6th if this was in fact an insurrection in fact an insurrection in fact an insurrection by Trump voters against the system by Trump voters against the system by Trump voters against the system itself against the United States of itself against the United States of itself against the United States of America? This is like a modern Fort America? This is like a modern Fort America? This is like a modern Fort Sumpter Sumpter Sumpter preceding a civil war and that's preceding a civil war and that's preceding a civil war and that's literally what they told us it was. They literally what they told us it was. They literally what they told us it was. They tried to overthrow the government. Okay. tried to overthrow the government. Okay. tried to overthrow the government. Okay. Now, Now, Now, how did that fit in? What did that have how did that fit in? What did that have how did that fit in? What did that have to do with it? And the explanation that to do with it? And the explanation that to do with it? And the explanation that the Biden administration gave sort of to the Biden administration gave sort of to the Biden administration gave sort of to the extent they talked about it was well the extent they talked about it was well the extent they talked about it was well this was an effort to distract people this was an effort to distract people this was an effort to distract people law enforcement from the insurrection law enforcement from the insurrection law enforcement from the insurrection that was happening at the capital. They that was happening at the capital. They that was happening at the capital. They would set off these bombs outside the would set off these bombs outside the would set off these bombs outside the two party headquarters. Law enforcement two party headquarters. Law enforcement two party headquarters. Law enforcement would rush there and the would rush there and the would rush there and the insurrectionists would continue to I insurrectionists would continue to I insurrectionists would continue to I don't know what sit at Nancy Pelosy's don't know what sit at Nancy Pelosy's don't know what sit at Nancy Pelosy's desk wander aimlessly around the Senate desk wander aimlessly around the Senate desk wander aimlessly around the Senate which is what actually happened. didn't which is what actually happened. didn't which is what actually happened. didn't didn't actually do anything, but didn't actually do anything, but didn't actually do anything, but whatever, except get shot. But that's whatever, except get shot. But that's whatever, except get shot. But that's kind of where they left it. kind of where they left it. kind of where they left it. But this piece by Darren Bey raised the But this piece by Darren Bey raised the But this piece by Darren Bey raised the possibility that of course, and once you possibility that of course, and once you possibility that of course, and once you thought about this was clearly true, of thought about this was clearly true, of thought about this was clearly true, of course, federal law enforcement know course, federal law enforcement know course, federal law enforcement know exactly who planted bombs in front of exactly who planted bombs in front of exactly who planted bombs in front of the party headquarters.

the party headquarters. the party headquarters. What made January 6th different from all What made January 6th different from all What made January 6th different from all other widely publicized crimes in our other widely publicized crimes in our other widely publicized crimes in our lifetimes is that it was a crime lifetimes is that it was a crime lifetimes is that it was a crime committed not against private citizens. committed not against private citizens. committed not against private citizens. It wasn't like shooting people at a It wasn't like shooting people at a It wasn't like shooting people at a country music concert in Las Vegas, country music concert in Las Vegas, country music concert in Las Vegas, injuring 867 of them. I mean, that's injuring 867 of them. I mean, that's injuring 867 of them. I mean, that's sad, of course, but what does that have sad, of course, but what does that have sad, of course, but what does that have to do with Washington? What does it have to do with Washington? What does it have to do with Washington? What does it have to do with us? What does that have to to do with us? What does that have to to do with us? What does that have to people who run the country? Now, those people who run the country? Now, those people who run the country? Now, those are like whatever country music fans are like whatever country music fans are like whatever country music fans probably voted for Trump. Like, it's probably voted for Trump. Like, it's probably voted for Trump. Like, it's sad. Sad. Maybe we can use her deaths to sad. Sad. Maybe we can use her deaths to sad. Sad. Maybe we can use her deaths to advocate for disarming the population, advocate for disarming the population, advocate for disarming the population, but it's not really a threat to anyone's but it's not really a threat to anyone's but it's not really a threat to anyone's power. Just the opposite, actually. power. Just the opposite, actually. power. Just the opposite, actually. January 6th was at least construed, and January 6th was at least construed, and January 6th was at least construed, and I think a lot of the people who repeated I think a lot of the people who repeated I think a lot of the people who repeated the propaganda convinced themselves this the propaganda convinced themselves this the propaganda convinced themselves this was an actual threat to bipartisan was an actual threat to bipartisan was an actual threat to bipartisan Washington, not just to Democrats, but Washington, not just to Democrats, but Washington, not just to Democrats, but to Republicans. Lindsey Graham was every to Republicans. Lindsey Graham was every to Republicans. Lindsey Graham was every bit as upset as Chuck Schumer because it bit as upset as Chuck Schumer because it bit as upset as Chuck Schumer because it was a threat to the symbol of their was a threat to the symbol of their was a threat to the symbol of their power, the Congress, which once upon a power, the Congress, which once upon a power, the Congress, which once upon a time was called the people's house and time was called the people's house and time was called the people's house and was called the people's house as a was called the people's house as a was called the people's house as a reminder that actually the purpose of reminder that actually the purpose of reminder that actually the purpose of all of this is to serve the owners of all of this is to serve the owners of all of this is to serve the owners of the country, which is not members of the country, which is not members of the country, which is not members of Congress, 535 stewards of the country.

Congress, 535 stewards of the country. Congress, 535 stewards of the country. It's the people who vote for them, the It's the people who vote for them, the It's the people who vote for them, the citizens. They own all of this. So they citizens. They own all of this. So they citizens. They own all of this. So they own by definition the Congress itself, own by definition the Congress itself, own by definition the Congress itself, the people's house. the people's house. the people's house. That's not the prevailing attitude in That's not the prevailing attitude in That's not the prevailing attitude in Washington, which needless to say is we Washington, which needless to say is we Washington, which needless to say is we own all of this. own all of this. own all of this. And you're here for some purpose, And you're here for some purpose, And you're here for some purpose, increasingly unclear. Labor has no value increasingly unclear. Labor has no value increasingly unclear. Labor has no value thanks to AI. So, it's not like you're thanks to AI. So, it's not like you're thanks to AI. So, it's not like you're actually doing anything for us. You're actually doing anything for us. You're actually doing anything for us. You're kind of in the way. kind of in the way. kind of in the way. And the last thing we want is for you to And the last thing we want is for you to And the last thing we want is for you to like pipe up and criticize us or get in like pipe up and criticize us or get in like pipe up and criticize us or get in the way of whatever our plans might be. the way of whatever our plans might be. the way of whatever our plans might be. you're just kind of annoying hecklers you're just kind of annoying hecklers you're just kind of annoying hecklers spoiling the play that we're putting on spoiling the play that we're putting on spoiling the play that we're putting on for our own amusement. for our own amusement. for our own amusement. And so shut up. And by the way, if you And so shut up. And by the way, if you And so shut up. And by the way, if you refuse to shut up and if you get really refuse to shut up and if you get really refuse to shut up and if you get really mouthy about it and show up with mouthy about it and show up with mouthy about it and show up with bullhorns at our house, not yours, not bullhorns at our house, not yours, not bullhorns at our house, not yours, not the people's, our house, we're going to the people's, our house, we're going to the people's, our house, we're going to put you in prison and we're going to put you in prison and we're going to put you in prison and we're going to deny you bail. And for the overwhelming deny you bail. And for the overwhelming deny you bail. And for the overwhelming majority of you who can't afford majority of you who can't afford majority of you who can't afford competent counsel, we're going to give competent counsel, we're going to give competent counsel, we're going to give you public defenders who hate you, who you public defenders who hate you, who you public defenders who hate you, who ensure that you're going to be stuck in ensure that you're going to be stuck in ensure that you're going to be stuck in some roachinfested hell hole. For some roachinfested hell hole. For some roachinfested hell hole. For example, DC City Jail. So that's that's example, DC City Jail. So that's that's example, DC City Jail. So that's that's what happened.

what happened. what happened. But the pipe bomb question hung in the But the pipe bomb question hung in the But the pipe bomb question hung in the air. How could they not know who did air. How could they not know who did air. How could they not know who did that? They're highly motivated to track that? They're highly motivated to track that? They're highly motivated to track down the perpetrators, down the perpetrators, down the perpetrators, but somehow not that interested in but somehow not that interested in but somehow not that interested in solving a crime, a attempted bombing solving a crime, a attempted bombing solving a crime, a attempted bombing of the two political headquarters didn't of the two political headquarters didn't of the two political headquarters didn't make any sense at all. As Darren Bey make any sense at all. As Darren Bey make any sense at all. As Darren Bey bravely and correctly pointed out bravely and correctly pointed out bravely and correctly pointed out several years ago, but still the several years ago, but still the several years ago, but still the Washington Post, the New York Times Washington Post, the New York Times Washington Post, the New York Times didn't seem to have a lot of interest in didn't seem to have a lot of interest in didn't seem to have a lot of interest in solving this crime or in pushing federal solving this crime or in pushing federal solving this crime or in pushing federal law enforcement to solve the crime. like law enforcement to solve the crime. like law enforcement to solve the crime. like where what's the status of this? How where what's the status of this? How where what's the status of this? How many hours of CCTV footage do you have? many hours of CCTV footage do you have? many hours of CCTV footage do you have? Have you looked at it? Have you run it Have you looked at it? Have you run it Have you looked at it? Have you run it against your facial recognition against your facial recognition against your facial recognition software? Why can't you find the person software? Why can't you find the person software? Why can't you find the person who did this? You know you can. Why who did this? You know you can. Why who did this? You know you can. Why aren't you? aren't you? aren't you? And so it really took, I don't know, And so it really took, I don't know, And so it really took, I don't know, four or five years until a reporter four or five years until a reporter four or five years until a reporter called Steve Baker, who at the time called Steve Baker, who at the time called Steve Baker, who at the time worked for The Blaze, worked for The Blaze, worked for The Blaze, really set about trying to answer this really set about trying to answer this really set about trying to answer this question.

question. question. And as you're about to hear in our And as you're about to hear in our And as you're about to hear in our interview with Steve Baker, he went to interview with Steve Baker, he went to interview with Steve Baker, he went to some lengths to solve the riddle. And he some lengths to solve the riddle. And he some lengths to solve the riddle. And he may or may not have solved it. I mean, may or may not have solved it. I mean, may or may not have solved it. I mean, we're not weighing in on that. And his we're not weighing in on that. And his we're not weighing in on that. And his conclusions are now the subject of a conclusions are now the subject of a conclusions are now the subject of a pretty well publicized lawsuit. pretty well publicized lawsuit. pretty well publicized lawsuit. So, not only is it not our place to So, not only is it not our place to So, not only is it not our place to weigh in on it, just want to make it weigh in on it, just want to make it weigh in on it, just want to make it clear we're not weighing in on it, clear we're not weighing in on it, clear we're not weighing in on it, but it certainly is an inspiration to but it certainly is an inspiration to but it certainly is an inspiration to the rest of us that we should probably the rest of us that we should probably the rest of us that we should probably get to the bottom of this. So, Steve get to the bottom of this. So, Steve get to the bottom of this. So, Steve Baker spends quite a long time trying to Baker spends quite a long time trying to Baker spends quite a long time trying to figure this out and he thinks he figures figure this out and he thinks he figures figure this out and he thinks he figures it out and he names somebody wrongly or it out and he names somebody wrongly or it out and he names somebody wrongly or not. And within literally days, after not. And within literally days, after not. And within literally days, after years of not solving this crime, years of not solving this crime, years of not solving this crime, federal authorities arrest a guy who federal authorities arrest a guy who federal authorities arrest a guy who they claim did it. And he is by all they claim did it. And he is by all they claim did it. And he is by all descriptions some apparently autistic descriptions some apparently autistic descriptions some apparently autistic guy, black guy, guy, black guy, guy, black guy, and they spun this whole story and he and they spun this whole story and he and they spun this whole story and he confessed to the crime and like we can confessed to the crime and like we can confessed to the crime and like we can rest easy now. He did it because who rest easy now. He did it because who rest easy now. He did it because who knows what? He's transgender. Who knows?

knows what? He's transgender. Who knows? knows what? He's transgender. Who knows? I can't even remember what the excuse I can't even remember what the excuse I can't even remember what the excuse was for why this guy did it. was for why this guy did it. was for why this guy did it. And a lot of people who know the guy And a lot of people who know the guy And a lot of people who know the guy pretty well like yeah I know he didn't pretty well like yeah I know he didn't pretty well like yeah I know he didn't do that. Like [snorts] that's that's do that. Like [snorts] that's that's do that. Like [snorts] that's that's absurd. absurd. absurd. But you know we're not going to weigh But you know we're not going to weigh But you know we're not going to weigh that cuz we don't know. What we do know that cuz we don't know. What we do know that cuz we don't know. What we do know is that after years of apparently not is that after years of apparently not is that after years of apparently not doing anything to solve this crime which doing anything to solve this crime which doing anything to solve this crime which is primopaciacia a serious crime. is primopaciacia a serious crime. is primopaciacia a serious crime. Bombing the party headquarters on Bombing the party headquarters on Bombing the party headquarters on Capitol Hill. Yeah that's serious. Capitol Hill. Yeah that's serious. Capitol Hill. Yeah that's serious. the Department of Justice like just the Department of Justice like just the Department of Justice like just solved it in about 10 minutes after solved it in about 10 minutes after solved it in about 10 minutes after Steve Baker throws out another Steve Baker throws out another Steve Baker throws out another hypothesis as to who did it. A federal hypothesis as to who did it. A federal hypothesis as to who did it. A federal employee. That's his theory. employee. That's his theory. employee. That's his theory. So, we're not quite sure what to make of So, we're not quite sure what to make of So, we're not quite sure what to make of this other than a reminder that no US this other than a reminder that no US this other than a reminder that no US citizen has an obligation to take the citizen has an obligation to take the citizen has an obligation to take the word of anyone in an official capacity word of anyone in an official capacity word of anyone in an official capacity in authority and particularly not in in authority and particularly not in in authority and particularly not in federal law enforcement as gospel. Just federal law enforcement as gospel. Just federal law enforcement as gospel. Just because they say it does not mean it's because they say it does not mean it's because they say it does not mean it's true. Obviously, just because anybody true. Obviously, just because anybody true. Obviously, just because anybody says anything doesn't mean it's true. says anything doesn't mean it's true. says anything doesn't mean it's true. People lie. Not always. Hopefully, not People lie. Not always. Hopefully, not People lie. Not always. Hopefully, not often, but they do sometimes. We know often, but they do sometimes. We know often, but they do sometimes. We know that. and people in authority have that. and people in authority have that. and people in authority have motive to lie, particularly when they're motive to lie, particularly when they're motive to lie, particularly when they're covering up something that they did in covering up something that they did in covering up something that they did in the first place. And that may be the the first place. And that may be the the first place. And that may be the macro lesson of this.

macro lesson of this. macro lesson of this. There has been no effort really and no There has been no effort really and no There has been no effort really and no pressure to provoke an effort really to pressure to provoke an effort really to pressure to provoke an effort really to find out who is behind these supposed find out who is behind these supposed find out who is behind these supposed pipe bombings. pipe bombings. pipe bombings. In part because everyone in Washington In part because everyone in Washington In part because everyone in Washington is potentially implicated in this. If it is potentially implicated in this. If it is potentially implicated in this. If it turned out that January 6 was not an turned out that January 6 was not an turned out that January 6 was not an entirely organic, maybe partly organic, entirely organic, maybe partly organic, entirely organic, maybe partly organic, but not an entirely organic event. If it but not an entirely organic event. If it but not an entirely organic event. If it turned out that it was to some extent, turned out that it was to some extent, turned out that it was to some extent, maybe not wholly, but in part staged or maybe not wholly, but in part staged or maybe not wholly, but in part staged or encouraged by people with a completely encouraged by people with a completely encouraged by people with a completely different agenda, different agenda, different agenda, an agenda that included sabotaging an agenda that included sabotaging an agenda that included sabotaging Trump's political career going forward, Trump's political career going forward, Trump's political career going forward, then the perpetrators wouldn't just be then the perpetrators wouldn't just be then the perpetrators wouldn't just be the Democratic party, they would be the the Democratic party, they would be the the Democratic party, they would be the majority of Republican leadership. majority of Republican leadership. majority of Republican leadership. It would be a bipartisan effort. And It would be a bipartisan effort. And It would be a bipartisan effort. And that may be the real takeaway here. What that may be the real takeaway here. What that may be the real takeaway here. What we're looking at on January 6, what we're looking at on January 6, what we're looking at on January 6, what we're looking at in the Iran war, what we're looking at in the Iran war, what we're looking at in the Iran war, what we're looking at in the total we're looking at in the total we're looking at in the total mismanagement of the US economy for most mismanagement of the US economy for most mismanagement of the US economy for most of our lives is not a partisan question.

of our lives is not a partisan question. of our lives is not a partisan question. It's not like one party took control, It's not like one party took control, It's not like one party took control, got both houses of Congress and the got both houses of Congress and the got both houses of Congress and the White House, packed the Supreme Court, White House, packed the Supreme Court, White House, packed the Supreme Court, and went crazy. and went crazy. and went crazy. It's that the leaders of both parties, It's that the leaders of both parties, It's that the leaders of both parties, not their voters, but the leaders of not their voters, but the leaders of not their voters, but the leaders of both parties in Washington had a very both parties in Washington had a very both parties in Washington had a very similar vision for what they wanted, how similar vision for what they wanted, how similar vision for what they wanted, how it might benefit them, and they did it. it might benefit them, and they did it. it might benefit them, and they did it. not in opposition to each other but in not in opposition to each other but in not in opposition to each other but in consensus in agreement with each other. consensus in agreement with each other. consensus in agreement with each other. That is the unavoidable conclusion. If That is the unavoidable conclusion. If That is the unavoidable conclusion. If you look at the past, say 40 years of you look at the past, say 40 years of you look at the past, say 40 years of American history, not that the parties American history, not that the parties American history, not that the parties are bitterly at odds, but that they are are bitterly at odds, but that they are are bitterly at odds, but that they are secretly in collusion. How could you secretly in collusion. How could you secretly in collusion. How could you reach another conclusion if you look at reach another conclusion if you look at reach another conclusion if you look at the outcome? You probably couldn't. But the outcome? You probably couldn't. But the outcome? You probably couldn't. But this specific story, well, not related this specific story, well, not related this specific story, well, not related to economic reform policy, is a kind of to economic reform policy, is a kind of to economic reform policy, is a kind of window into the wall of resistance that window into the wall of resistance that window into the wall of resistance that you bump up against when you start you bump up against when you start you bump up against when you start asking questions about, hey, what is asking questions about, hey, what is asking questions about, hey, what is going on here? America's 250th going on here? America's 250th going on here? America's 250th anniversary is here, and it presents a anniversary is here, and it presents a anniversary is here, and it presents a great opportunity to consider why our great opportunity to consider why our great opportunity to consider why our national culture matters. Being an national culture matters. Being an national culture matters. Being an American is not something to be ashamed American is not something to be ashamed American is not something to be ashamed of. We should all be proud to live here.

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are true. are true. But you can assess But you can assess But you can assess the evidence that we can confirm and the evidence that we can confirm and the evidence that we can confirm and come to your own conclusions about what come to your own conclusions about what come to your own conclusions about what it means. it means. it means. and you should because in this case it and you should because in this case it and you should because in this case it matters. matters. matters. With that, here's Steve Baker. With that, here's Steve Baker. With that, here's Steve Baker. Steve Baker, thank you very much for Steve Baker, thank you very much for Steve Baker, thank you very much for doing this. doing this. doing this. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, now we have some distance between uh >> Um, now we have some distance between uh >> Um, now we have some distance between uh right now and January 6th. I think you right now and January 6th. I think you right now and January 6th. I think you know as much or more about it than know as much or more about it than know as much or more about it than anybody. Can you just describe it in anybody. Can you just describe it in anybody. Can you just describe it in general? What was January 6th in general? What was January 6th in general? What was January 6th in retrospect? Uh, I like to couch it in retrospect? Uh, I like to couch it in retrospect? Uh, I like to couch it in this preface is I saw a lot of people this preface is I saw a lot of people this preface is I saw a lot of people doing bad things that day. doing bad things that day. doing bad things that day. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I saw a lot of people doing good things. >> I saw a lot of people doing good things. >> I saw a lot of people doing good things. >> You were there. >> You were there. >> You were there. >> I was there. >> I was there. >> I was there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I've been prosecuted for being there. >> I've been prosecuted for being there. >> I've been prosecuted for being there. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Uh, I saw a lot of otherwise good people >> Uh, I saw a lot of otherwise good people >> Uh, I saw a lot of otherwise good people doing some stupid things that day, but doing some stupid things that day, but doing some stupid things that day, but that's true on both sides of the police that's true on both sides of the police that's true on both sides of the police line. line. line. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Now, you were one of the first people to >> Now, you were one of the first people to >> Now, you were one of the first people to have access to the treasure trove of have access to the treasure trove of have access to the treasure trove of that alleged 41,000 hours worth of that alleged 41,000 hours worth of that alleged 41,000 hours worth of video. I think that was back in gosh video. I think that was back in gosh video. I think that was back in gosh that was back in February of 23, that was back in February of 23, that was back in February of 23, something like that.

something like that. something like that. >> Something like that. And um in fact, in >> Something like that. And um in fact, in >> Something like that. And um in fact, in fact, uh you had a couple of your fact, uh you had a couple of your fact, uh you had a couple of your producers called me to ask me what they producers called me to ask me what they producers called me to ask me what they needed to be looking at. needed to be looking at. needed to be looking at. >> And uh you took the um the Lieutenant >> And uh you took the um the Lieutenant >> And uh you took the um the Lieutenant Tar Johnson story, Tar Johnson story, Tar Johnson story, >> uh that you did on your second week or >> uh that you did on your second week or >> uh that you did on your second week or second day of that. second day of that. second day of that. >> Uh that was my suggestion. And the >> Uh that was my suggestion. And the >> Uh that was my suggestion. And the truth of the matter is is that it was a truth of the matter is is that it was a truth of the matter is is that it was a setup what happened at the capital. It setup what happened at the capital. It setup what happened at the capital. It was manipulated. It was engineered. was manipulated. It was engineered. was manipulated. It was engineered. And And And there there there is incredible amount of disinformation is incredible amount of disinformation is incredible amount of disinformation on both sides of the line. It doesn't on both sides of the line. It doesn't on both sides of the line. It doesn't matter whether you're on the left. It matter whether you're on the left. It matter whether you're on the left. It doesn't matter if you're on the right. doesn't matter if you're on the right. doesn't matter if you're on the right. whether you're MAGA, whether you're um whether you're MAGA, whether you're um whether you're MAGA, whether you're um on the sedition hunters side of the on the sedition hunters side of the on the sedition hunters side of the ledger, doesn't matter. Tremendous ledger, doesn't matter. Tremendous ledger, doesn't matter. Tremendous amount of wrong information on both amount of wrong information on both amount of wrong information on both sides. And one of the things that I've sides. And one of the things that I've sides. And one of the things that I've endeavored to do because I've had more endeavored to do because I've had more endeavored to do because I've had more access to the video than any other access to the video than any other access to the video than any other journalist in the world. I've I've spent journalist in the world. I've I've spent journalist in the world. I've I've spent more time in there, not only myself, but more time in there, not only myself, but more time in there, not only myself, but teams of other journalists working with teams of other journalists working with teams of other journalists working with me that we've gone in there with focused me that we've gone in there with focused me that we've gone in there with focused um intentions and knowing what we were um intentions and knowing what we were um intentions and knowing what we were looking for. and then obviously looking for. and then obviously looking for. and then obviously surprised by many things. Like for surprised by many things. Like for surprised by many things. Like for instance, one of the biggest pieces of instance, one of the biggest pieces of instance, one of the biggest pieces of misinformation on the right is that the misinformation on the right is that the misinformation on the right is that the doors were thrown open by the capital doors were thrown open by the capital doors were thrown open by the capital police and people were waved into the police and people were waved into the police and people were waved into the capital. That's not true. All seven of capital. That's not true. All seven of capital. That's not true. All seven of the doors that were breached at the the doors that were breached at the the doors that were breached at the capital were breached from the inside by

capital were breached from the inside by capital were breached from the inside by the protesters who first went through the protesters who first went through the protesters who first went through the broken windows on that northwest the broken windows on that northwest the broken windows on that northwest Senate wing door that we've famously Senate wing door that we've famously Senate wing door that we've famously seen. Now, after that, in an effort to seen. Now, after that, in an effort to seen. Now, after that, in an effort to deescalate, once the the building was deescalate, once the the building was deescalate, once the the building was overrun, Capitol police did hold doors overrun, Capitol police did hold doors overrun, Capitol police did hold doors open for people. And you that was one of open for people. And you that was one of open for people. And you that was one of your first videos was showing the um uh your first videos was showing the um uh your first videos was showing the um uh the shaman being led to the Senate Yes. the shaman being led to the Senate Yes. the shaman being led to the Senate Yes. chamber and the cop opened the door for chamber and the cop opened the door for chamber and the cop opened the door for him. And that was a brilliant reveal. him. And that was a brilliant reveal. him. And that was a brilliant reveal. They did do those kinds of things, but They did do those kinds of things, but They did do those kinds of things, but not until later, not until after the not until later, not until after the not until later, not until after the capital was breached. And that's one of capital was breached. And that's one of capital was breached. And that's one of the mistakes that again the right makes. the mistakes that again the right makes. the mistakes that again the right makes. The biggest mistake that the left makes The biggest mistake that the left makes The biggest mistake that the left makes is they are convinced by the narrow is they are convinced by the narrow is they are convinced by the narrow presentation of video that they saw presentation of video that they saw presentation of video that they saw because they'll tell you, I mean my because they'll tell you, I mean my because they'll tell you, I mean my critics will tell from the left will critics will tell from the left will critics will tell from the left will say, "You can't gaslight me. I saw it say, "You can't gaslight me. I saw it say, "You can't gaslight me. I saw it with my own eyes. I was watching it with my own eyes. I was watching it with my own eyes. I was watching it live. I know what happened." No, you live. I know what happened." No, you live. I know what happened." No, you don't. You saw a very narrow narrowly don't. You saw a very narrow narrowly don't. You saw a very narrow narrowly focused battle scene. There were only focused battle scene. There were only focused battle scene. There were only like between 80 and 100 people who did like between 80 and 100 people who did like between 80 and 100 people who did any violence that day at all. Out of the any violence that day at all. Out of the any violence that day at all. Out of the hundreds of thousands of people that hundreds of thousands of people that hundreds of thousands of people that went to the Capitol that day, only 80 went to the Capitol that day, only 80 went to the Capitol that day, only 80 Tucker.

Tucker. Tucker. But if you show the same battle scene But if you show the same battle scene But if you show the same battle scene from this angle, that angle, this angle, from this angle, that angle, this angle, from this angle, that angle, this angle, this camera, that camera, and you show this camera, that camera, and you show this camera, that camera, and you show it over and over and over and over again it over and over and over and over again it over and over and over and over again relentlessly for 5 years, then they relentlessly for 5 years, then they relentlessly for 5 years, then they believe that they know what they've believe that they know what they've believe that they know what they've seen. But they don't. Not until you've seen. But they don't. Not until you've seen. But they don't. Not until you've seen all of the other footage, which we seen all of the other footage, which we seen all of the other footage, which we have endeavored to do. I don't think have endeavored to do. I don't think have endeavored to do. I don't think anybody can see 40,000 hours worth of anybody can see 40,000 hours worth of anybody can see 40,000 hours worth of video, but we've seen the most important video, but we've seen the most important video, but we've seen the most important parts of it. And that's why I can parts of it. And that's why I can parts of it. And that's why I can honestly sit before anybody again on the honestly sit before anybody again on the honestly sit before anybody again on the right or the left and go, "No, that's right or the left and go, "No, that's right or the left and go, "No, that's not correct." And the right has a lot not correct." And the right has a lot not correct." And the right has a lot wrong as well. What they do have right wrong as well. What they do have right wrong as well. What they do have right is that it was a fedsurrection, is that it was a fedsurrection, is that it was a fedsurrection, but I don't think it was set up by the but I don't think it was set up by the but I don't think it was set up by the FBI. I believe, and I've talked about FBI. I believe, and I've talked about FBI. I believe, and I've talked about this before, so this isn't a big this before, so this isn't a big this before, so this isn't a big revelation. I'll give you a couple of revelation. I'll give you a couple of revelation. I'll give you a couple of those later. But this this is and was a those later. But this this is and was a those later. But this this is and was a s a setup that was designed and s a setup that was designed and s a setup that was designed and manipulated by elements of the manipulated by elements of the manipulated by elements of the department of defense, capital police, department of defense, capital police, department of defense, capital police, and the CIA and the CIA and the CIA to take down. It was a furtherance of to take down. It was a furtherance of to take down. It was a furtherance of the CIA and the intelligence community the CIA and the intelligence community the CIA and the intelligence community operation to take Trump out from ever operation to take Trump out from ever operation to take Trump out from ever being in politics ever again.

being in politics ever again. being in politics ever again. And so the idea was to provoke something And so the idea was to provoke something And so the idea was to provoke something so awful that he he he would be stain so awful that he he he would be stain so awful that he he he would be stain well maybe legally prohibited by well maybe legally prohibited by well maybe legally prohibited by >> right >> right >> right >> uh conviction on an impeachment trial >> uh conviction on an impeachment trial >> uh conviction on an impeachment trial but otherwise so stained that he could but otherwise so stained that he could but otherwise so stained that he could never run again. never run again. never run again. >> That's exactly what the intent and the >> That's exactly what the intent and the >> That's exactly what the intent and the purpose was and it was uh manipulated purpose was and it was uh manipulated purpose was and it was uh manipulated from the very beginning. I mean look from the very beginning. I mean look from the very beginning. I mean look you've you've done stories and all of us you've you've done stories and all of us you've you've done stories and all of us want to avoid defamation lawsuits but want to avoid defamation lawsuits but want to avoid defamation lawsuits but I'm kind of past that point now. I'm kind of past that point now. I'm kind of past that point now. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] Uh but you know if if we started from Uh but you know if if we started from Uh but you know if if we started from the very beginning and revisited every the very beginning and revisited every the very beginning and revisited every aspect of January 6, this would have to aspect of January 6, this would have to aspect of January 6, this would have to be a you know 20 part series today and be a you know 20 part series today and be a you know 20 part series today and we're not going to do that. we're not going to do that. we're not going to do that. >> Well, give us some indication of why >> Well, give us some indication of why >> Well, give us some indication of why you've concluded it was a setup. you've concluded it was a setup. you've concluded it was a setup. >> The the first thing that happened and I >> The the first thing that happened and I >> The the first thing that happened and I I was there that day. I captured my own I was there that day. I captured my own I was there that day. I captured my own video and video and video and as I was driving home on the 7th from DC as I was driving home on the 7th from DC as I was driving home on the 7th from DC to um uh Raleigh, North Carolina where I to um uh Raleigh, North Carolina where I to um uh Raleigh, North Carolina where I live, we started hearing about the live, we started hearing about the live, we started hearing about the arrests that were already being made and arrests that were already being made and arrests that were already being made and the drag net was already thrown the next the drag net was already thrown the next the drag net was already thrown the next day. We're hearing about on the radio day. We're hearing about on the radio day. We're hearing about on the radio television on the drive home. So I television on the drive home. So I television on the drive home. So I didn't go home. I actually called a didn't go home. I actually called a didn't go home. I actually called a friend of mine, special operator, United friend of mine, special operator, United friend of mine, special operator, United States Army, and said, "Hey, I need a States Army, and said, "Hey, I need a States Army, and said, "Hey, I need a place to crash for a few days because place to crash for a few days because place to crash for a few days because before I get arrested, before I get arrested, before I get arrested, thinking that for sure, because I went thinking that for sure, because I went thinking that for sure, because I went inside the capital building that that

inside the capital building that that inside the capital building that that would happen, even though I went in with would happen, even though I went in with would happen, even though I went in with a camera and in the intent of following a camera and in the intent of following a camera and in the intent of following the story where the story went as a the story where the story went as a the story where the story went as a journalist, not as a rioter and I never journalist, not as a rioter and I never journalist, not as a rioter and I never did any rioting, the or any violence or did any rioting, the or any violence or did any rioting, the or any violence or anything of uh uh of that type, anything of uh uh of that type, anything of uh uh of that type, but because of the types of people that but because of the types of people that but because of the types of people that for being arrested. I thought, "Okay, for being arrested. I thought, "Okay, for being arrested. I thought, "Okay, well, I need to go hide out somewhere. I well, I need to go hide out somewhere. I well, I need to go hide out somewhere. I need to write my story. I need to need to write my story. I need to need to write my story. I need to publish my videos, go through them all, publish my videos, go through them all, publish my videos, go through them all, and then when I get my story out, and then when I get my story out, and then when I get my story out, [snorts] they can come get me." So, the [snorts] they can come get me." So, the [snorts] they can come get me." So, the first thing I did is I started going first thing I did is I started going first thing I did is I started going through frame by frame analyzing my own through frame by frame analyzing my own through frame by frame analyzing my own video. And so I'm staying with a tier video. And so I'm staying with a tier video. And so I'm staying with a tier one special operator and he's, you know, one special operator and he's, you know, one special operator and he's, you know, standing over my shoulder looking at the standing over my shoulder looking at the standing over my shoulder looking at the videos that I have and he's pointing to videos that I have and he's pointing to videos that I have and he's pointing to the screen and going, "Okay, now watch the screen and going, "Okay, now watch the screen and going, "Okay, now watch him. This is his job. Watch watch what him. This is his job. Watch watch what him. This is his job. Watch watch what he does here." And and I'm like, "What he does here." And and I'm like, "What he does here." And and I'm like, "What are you what are you talking about?" are you what are you talking about?" are you what are you talking about?" He's got a sandwich in one hand and a He's got a sandwich in one hand and a He's got a sandwich in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other hand. He cup of coffee in the other hand. He cup of coffee in the other hand. He goes, "Yeah, watch watch what happens goes, "Yeah, watch watch what happens goes, "Yeah, watch watch what happens right here. Watch." He does that. Now he right here. Watch." He does that. Now he right here. Watch." He does that. Now he disappears into the crowd. Now watch disappears into the crowd. Now watch disappears into the crowd. Now watch her. This is what she does. No, this is her. This is what she does. No, this is her. This is what she does. No, this is her job.

her job. her job. And and I'm seeing this through another And and I'm seeing this through another And and I'm seeing this through another set of eyes. And what are you talking set of eyes. And what are you talking set of eyes. And what are you talking about? He goes, "Well, this is what we about? He goes, "Well, this is what we about? He goes, "Well, this is what we do overseas. This is how we incite color do overseas. This is how we incite color do overseas. This is how we incite color revolution overseas. revolution overseas. revolution overseas. We're trained to do that." And so while I'm in the my fiveday And so while I'm in the my fiveday process of going through all of my stuff process of going through all of my stuff process of going through all of my stuff and writing my first story about January and writing my first story about January and writing my first story about January 6, which which was 9,500 words, what I 6, which which was 9,500 words, what I 6, which which was 9,500 words, what I saw that day, what I experienced that saw that day, what I experienced that saw that day, what I experienced that day. Um, one of these times he's leaning day. Um, one of these times he's leaning day. Um, one of these times he's leaning over my shoulder. He says, "Oh, you over my shoulder. He says, "Oh, you over my shoulder. He says, "Oh, you know, we were there that day." And know, we were there that day." And know, we were there that day." And again, I'm like, "What?" again, I'm like, "What?" again, I'm like, "What?" He said, "Yeah, we had boots on the He said, "Yeah, we had boots on the He said, "Yeah, we had boots on the ground that day." ground that day." ground that day." >> Meaning the National Guard waiting down >> Meaning the National Guard waiting down >> Meaning the National Guard waiting down the street? No. Meaning special the street? No. Meaning special the street? No. Meaning special operators from operators from operators from the US Army the US Army the US Army >> in plain clothes. >> in plain clothes. >> in plain clothes. >> In plain clothes. >> In plain clothes. >> In plain clothes. And so my second article, which came out And so my second article, which came out And so my second article, which came out about 6 weeks afterwards, I actually about 6 weeks afterwards, I actually about 6 weeks afterwards, I actually revealed for the first time that revealed for the first time that revealed for the first time that elements of our special forces were in elements of our special forces were in elements of our special forces were in the crowd. Now, I didn't portray them as the crowd. Now, I didn't portray them as the crowd. Now, I didn't portray them as being uh, you know, there for nefarious being uh, you know, there for nefarious being uh, you know, there for nefarious reasons or doing anything wrong. In reasons or doing anything wrong. In reasons or doing anything wrong. In fact, I even said it very well could be fact, I even said it very well could be fact, I even said it very well could be that they were there, you know, to take that they were there, you know, to take that they were there, you know, to take care of business in case things did get care of business in case things did get care of business in case things did get out of hand, out of hand, out of hand, >> but they weren't there in their capacity >> but they weren't there in their capacity >> but they weren't there in their capacity as private citizens and Trump voters.

as private citizens and Trump voters. as private citizens and Trump voters. >> That's correct. Now, there were there >> That's correct. Now, there were there >> That's correct. Now, there were there were mil we know that for a fact. I were mil we know that for a fact. I were mil we know that for a fact. I mean, there were enlisted people, mean, there were enlisted people, mean, there were enlisted people, retired military. Um, retired military. Um, retired military. Um, >> Babbot was a former Air Force enlisted. >> Babbot was a former Air Force enlisted. >> Babbot was a former Air Force enlisted. >> Uh, there were FBI agents there as >> Uh, there were FBI agents there as >> Uh, there were FBI agents there as private. There were ATF agents there, private. There were ATF agents there, private. There were ATF agents there, private capacity. There were Trump private capacity. There were Trump private capacity. There were Trump supporters from all of the bureaus and supporters from all of the bureaus and supporters from all of the bureaus and agencies and this that and the other agencies and this that and the other agencies and this that and the other thing within the federal government that thing within the federal government that thing within the federal government that were there in private capacities and were there in private capacities and were there in private capacities and many of them were arrested and charged. many of them were arrested and charged. many of them were arrested and charged. Some of them did time in prison. And and Some of them did time in prison. And and Some of them did time in prison. And and so so so uh in this particular situation though, uh in this particular situation though, uh in this particular situation though, I learned through my own work and I learned through my own work and I learned through my own work and through my access to that community is through my access to that community is through my access to that community is that uh we had elements there of a very that uh we had elements there of a very that uh we had elements there of a very very uh elite nature from our special very uh elite nature from our special very uh elite nature from our special operators and operators and operators and I just published that they were there. I just published that they were there. I just published that they were there. Now nobody believed me. Nobody wanted to Now nobody believed me. Nobody wanted to Now nobody believed me. Nobody wanted to believe me. I got highly criticized for believe me. I got highly criticized for believe me. I got highly criticized for that. They've been ordered to be there. that. They've been ordered to be there. that. They've been ordered to be there. >> Yes. Yes. And then exactly one year >> Yes. Yes. And then exactly one year >> Yes. Yes. And then exactly one year later, a writer for Newsweek, gentleman later, a writer for Newsweek, gentleman later, a writer for Newsweek, gentleman by the name of William Arkin on the by the name of William Arkin on the by the name of William Arkin on the first anniversary of January 6, first anniversary of January 6, first anniversary of January 6, published an article. The headline was published an article. The headline was published an article. The headline was secret commandos with shoot tokill secret commandos with shoot tokill secret commandos with shoot tokill orders at January 6. That's the orders at January 6. That's the orders at January 6. That's the headline, the Newsweek story. It's still headline, the Newsweek story. It's still headline, the Newsweek story. It's still online. You can look it up.

online. You can look it up. online. You can look it up. It took me over two years before Arkin It took me over two years before Arkin It took me over two years before Arkin would even respond to me because I would even respond to me because I would even respond to me because I wanted, you know, look, I wanted to wanted, you know, look, I wanted to wanted, you know, look, I wanted to maybe pick his brain. He could pick maybe pick his brain. He could pick maybe pick his brain. He could pick mine. He could share with me what he mine. He could share with me what he mine. He could share with me what he knew, what I know, and he wouldn't talk knew, what I know, and he wouldn't talk knew, what I know, and he wouldn't talk to me. When he finally responded, he was to me. When he finally responded, he was to me. When he finally responded, he was very hostile toward me, very very hostile toward me, very very hostile toward me, very antagonistic. He says, "I feel like antagonistic. He says, "I feel like antagonistic. He says, "I feel like you've been trying to set me up." Like, you've been trying to set me up." Like, you've been trying to set me up." Like, I'm not trying to set you up. I'm just I I'm not trying to set you up. I'm just I I'm not trying to set you up. I'm just I want to colleague to colleague share want to colleague to colleague share want to colleague to colleague share what we know about that very thing. what we know about that very thing. what we know about that very thing. And he actually I have it I have the And he actually I have it I have the And he actually I have it I have the screenshot from the the DM communication screenshot from the the DM communication screenshot from the the DM communication with him where he denied that it ever with him where he denied that it ever with him where he denied that it ever even happened. Yeah. He goes he goes even happened. Yeah. He goes he goes even happened. Yeah. He goes he goes that was uh it never happened. that was uh it never happened. that was uh it never happened. Well, you wrote about it. It's still Well, you wrote about it. It's still Well, you wrote about it. It's still online. If it never happened, how come online. If it never happened, how come online. If it never happened, how come it's not been retracted? Yeah. It just it's not been retracted? Yeah. It just it's not been retracted? Yeah. It just never happened. never happened. never happened. >> He disavowed his own story. That's >> He disavowed his own story. That's >> He disavowed his own story. That's correct. correct. correct. >> Cost of living is already making it hard >> Cost of living is already making it hard >> Cost of living is already making it hard to live here and it's not getting any to live here and it's not getting any to live here and it's not getting any better. Unfortunately, it's likely to better. Unfortunately, it's likely to better. Unfortunately, it's likely to get worse. And a lot of Americans fill get worse. And a lot of Americans fill get worse. And a lot of Americans fill the gap with credit cards, not just for the gap with credit cards, not just for the gap with credit cards, not just for fancy dinners, but to cover things like fancy dinners, but to cover things like fancy dinners, but to cover things like groceries and bills. That is a disaster.

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or visit americananfinancing.net/tucker. Has uh the Pentagon ever admitted that Has uh the Pentagon ever admitted that Has uh the Pentagon ever admitted that this took place? this took place? this took place? >> No. uh because the Pentagon won't even >> No. uh because the Pentagon won't even >> No. uh because the Pentagon won't even admit that this particular unit exists. admit that this particular unit exists. admit that this particular unit exists. Now, you've had a member of your that Now, you've had a member of your that Now, you've had a member of your that unit sitting at your table here unit sitting at your table here unit sitting at your table here recently. recently. recently. >> H >> H >> H >> uh they don't exist. Um that was one of >> uh they don't exist. Um that was one of >> uh they don't exist. Um that was one of the things that made this very difficult the things that made this very difficult the things that made this very difficult was first of all, you know, when when was first of all, you know, when when was first of all, you know, when when you write a story, you have to call and you write a story, you have to call and you write a story, you have to call and you know how it is. You have to call get you know how it is. You have to call get you know how it is. You have to call get spokesperson on the record. spokesperson on the record. spokesperson on the record. >> Yeah. Disavowing or saying something or >> Yeah. Disavowing or saying something or >> Yeah. Disavowing or saying something or commenting about whatever, whether it's commenting about whatever, whether it's commenting about whatever, whether it's the FBI, CIA, DoD. Well, when you call the FBI, CIA, DoD. Well, when you call the FBI, CIA, DoD. Well, when you call the DoD and you ask them about this the DoD and you ask them about this the DoD and you ask them about this particular unit out of Fort Belvoir, particular unit out of Fort Belvoir, particular unit out of Fort Belvoir, just outside of DC, just outside of DC, just outside of DC, we don't know what you're talking about. we don't know what you're talking about. we don't know what you're talking about. There's no such unit. There's no such unit. There's no such unit. >> Well, there is such a unit. And the >> Well, there is such a unit. And the >> Well, there is such a unit. And the special operators community is well special operators community is well special operators community is well aware of who they are. And they don't aware of who they are. And they don't aware of who they are. And they don't have a name, not a real name. They have have a name, not a real name. They have have a name, not a real name. They have a variety of names that they go by. a variety of names that they go by. a variety of names that they go by. They're typically uh universally They're typically uh universally They're typically uh universally referred to within their community as referred to within their community as referred to within their community as TFO or Task Force Orange. There's been TFO or Task Force Orange. There's been TFO or Task Force Orange. There's been books written about them. Um, uh, they books written about them. Um, uh, they books written about them. Um, uh, they have variously been called the unit, the have variously been called the unit, the have variously been called the unit, the activity, and other things throughout activity, and other things throughout activity, and other things throughout the years. But they do, the years. But they do, the years. But they do, >> what's their job? They operate >> what's their job? They operate >> what's their job? They operate domestically.

domestically. domestically. >> They have a couple of jobs. Uh, they >> They have a couple of jobs. Uh, they >> They have a couple of jobs. Uh, they are, uh, are, uh, are, uh, they're not supposed to operate they're not supposed to operate they're not supposed to operate domestically. Not at all, as none domestically. Not at all, as none domestically. Not at all, as none [clears throat] of the United States, [clears throat] of the United States, [clears throat] of the United States, you know, armed forces are except for you know, armed forces are except for you know, armed forces are except for National Guard. And so um there's the National Guard. And so um there's the National Guard. And so um there's the signal intelligence group that's uh signal intelligence group that's uh signal intelligence group that's uh mostly if I and and and they'll believe mostly if I and and and they'll believe mostly if I and and and they'll believe me they'll correct me when I get little me they'll correct me when I get little me they'll correct me when I get little minor details wrong but the signal minor details wrong but the signal minor details wrong but the signal intelligence part of them they're most intelligence part of them they're most intelligence part of them they're most of them are out of Fort me and these are of them are out of Fort me and these are of them are out of Fort me and these are the guys I mean look these are these are the guys I mean look these are these are the guys I mean look these are these are the most elite of the elite of the elite the most elite of the elite of the elite the most elite of the elite of the elite now they don't look like Navy Seals they now they don't look like Navy Seals they now they don't look like Navy Seals they don't look like Delta Force guys they're don't look like Delta Force guys they're don't look like Delta Force guys they're typically smaller they use their brains typically smaller they use their brains typically smaller they use their brains uh their training is much more uh in the uh their training is much more uh in the uh their training is much more uh in the way of uh surviving through isolation way of uh surviving through isolation way of uh surviving through isolation >> and They're they become deep inserts >> and They're they become deep inserts >> and They're they become deep inserts into uh uh jurisdictions around the into uh uh jurisdictions around the into uh uh jurisdictions around the world where we're not supposed to exist. world where we're not supposed to exist. world where we're not supposed to exist. We're not supposed to operate, that sort We're not supposed to operate, that sort We're not supposed to operate, that sort of thing. And they they typically are on of thing. And they they typically are on of thing. And they they typically are on the front edge. They leave before Delta the front edge. They leave before Delta the front edge. They leave before Delta Force and SEALs are ever deployed. These Force and SEALs are ever deployed. These Force and SEALs are ever deployed. These guys, the unit, the activity TFO have guys, the unit, the activity TFO have guys, the unit, the activity TFO have been there already for a long time. Uh been there already for a long time. Uh been there already for a long time. Uh and they have to survive that without and they have to survive that without and they have to survive that without contact. And they're all all of them are contact. And they're all all of them are contact. And they're all all of them are polygots. uh one of my closest friends polygots. uh one of my closest friends polygots. uh one of my closest friends and deepest sources uh within that and deepest sources uh within that and deepest sources uh within that community. He he speaks eight languages, community. He he speaks eight languages, community. He he speaks eight languages, five of them native as he says, and five of them native as he says, and five of them native as he says, and they're all highly trained, all have they're all highly trained, all have they're all highly trained, all have specialization. They're all smart. IQ is specialization. They're all smart. IQ is specialization. They're all smart. IQ is off the charts. So, they're not the you off the charts. So, they're not the you off the charts. So, they're not the you know, know, know, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> uh the meaty kind,000 push-ups.

>> uh the meaty kind,000 push-ups. >> uh the meaty kind,000 push-ups. That's not them. That's not them. That's not them. >> But they run marathons >> But they run marathons >> But they run marathons >> and everything about them is is is >> and everything about them is is is >> and everything about them is is is they're trained for endurance and they're trained for endurance and they're trained for endurance and isolation. H is their greatest skill. isolation. H is their greatest skill. isolation. H is their greatest skill. >> What was their job on January 6th? >> What was their job on January 6th? >> What was their job on January 6th? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I still haven't found that out. >> I still haven't found that out. >> I still haven't found that out. >> But you found out early that there were >> But you found out early that there were >> But you found out early that there were current members on duty members of the current members on duty members of the current members on duty members of the US military in the crowd. US military in the crowd. US military in the crowd. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Dressed in civilian clothes. What's the >> Dressed in civilian clothes. What's the >> Dressed in civilian clothes. What's the CIA's connection to the events of that CIA's connection to the events of that CIA's connection to the events of that day? day? day? >> I I believe that Well, look, you go back >> I I believe that Well, look, you go back >> I I believe that Well, look, you go back to the 51 intel to the 51 intel to the 51 intel >> Yes. leaders who signed >> Yes. leaders who signed >> Yes. leaders who signed >> intel officers who denied that Hunter >> intel officers who denied that Hunter >> intel officers who denied that Hunter Biden's laptop was Hunter Biden's Biden's laptop was Hunter Biden's Biden's laptop was Hunter Biden's >> etc etc. Yes, this is all part of that >> etc etc. Yes, this is all part of that >> etc etc. Yes, this is all part of that same operation downstream from Mark same operation downstream from Mark same operation downstream from Mark Millie. Millie. Millie. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Trump's, you know, chairman joint chiefs >> Trump's, you know, chairman joint chiefs >> Trump's, you know, chairman joint chiefs of staff. of staff. of staff. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> um >> um >> um the I believe that um certain very high the I believe that um certain very high the I believe that um certain very high ranking elements in the capital police ranking elements in the capital police ranking elements in the capital police were obviously in on this. We know that were obviously in on this. We know that were obviously in on this. We know that now from our video. We've we've now from our video. We've we've now from our video. We've we've discovered this from the video review, discovered this from the video review, discovered this from the video review, Tucker. I don't I don't have to pull Tucker. I don't I don't have to pull Tucker. I don't I don't have to pull this out of my ass. It's in the videos.

this out of my ass. It's in the videos. this out of my ass. It's in the videos. And we've released a lot of it. And a And we've released a lot of it. And a And we've released a lot of it. And a lot more of it is coming. But we know lot more of it is coming. But we know lot more of it is coming. But we know that the Capitol police were ground that the Capitol police were ground that the Capitol police were ground soldiers that day. Not all of them. The soldiers that day. Not all of them. The soldiers that day. Not all of them. The frontline officers, they were doing frontline officers, they were doing frontline officers, they were doing their job. their job. their job. >> Yep. In fact, I I one of my very first >> Yep. In fact, I I one of my very first >> Yep. In fact, I I one of my very first stories and I and I I got this from my stories and I and I I got this from my stories and I and I I got this from my own camera was that the Capitol police own camera was that the Capitol police own camera was that the Capitol police were I called them sacrificial lambs were I called them sacrificial lambs were I called them sacrificial lambs that day or pawns. I I use the word that day or pawns. I I use the word that day or pawns. I I use the word pond, sacrificial ponds. And the reason pond, sacrificial ponds. And the reason pond, sacrificial ponds. And the reason why I said that is when I was on the why I said that is when I was on the why I said that is when I was on the front line with my camera and had my front line with my camera and had my front line with my camera and had my camera in these young officers faces camera in these young officers faces camera in these young officers faces that had just been called to the front that had just been called to the front that had just been called to the front line of this battle that was just line of this battle that was just line of this battle that was just breaking out on the west lower west breaking out on the west lower west breaking out on the west lower west terrace there at the capital. They had terrace there at the capital. They had terrace there at the capital. They had fear in their eyes fear in their eyes fear in their eyes and they had no protection. They had no and they had no protection. They had no and they had no protection. They had no body armor. They had no goggles. They body armor. They had no goggles. They body armor. They had no goggles. They had no face, you know, gas masks. They had no face, you know, gas masks. They had no face, you know, gas masks. They had no helmets. That's another story had no helmets. That's another story had no helmets. That's another story right there. Their helmets had been right there. Their helmets had been right there. Their helmets had been collected collected collected two weeks before were taken up. They two weeks before were taken up. They two weeks before were taken up. They were ordered to turn their helmets in. were ordered to turn their helmets in. were ordered to turn their helmets in. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> that's a whole other story that we've >> that's a whole other story that we've >> that's a whole other story that we've done work on. That's why I said we could done work on. That's why I said we could done work on. That's why I said we could do a 20- part series on this. This is so do a 20- part series on this. This is so do a 20- part series on this. This is so complex. But complex. But complex. But my thought about these young frontline my thought about these young frontline my thought about these young frontline capital police officers capital police officers capital police officers real quick, you can go, you can be a real quick, you can go, you can be a real quick, you can go, you can be a capital police officer for 30 years, and capital police officer for 30 years, and capital police officer for 30 years, and I'm not being critical. I know they're I'm not being critical. I know they're I'm not being critical. I know they're accused of being uh, you know, glorified accused of being uh, you know, glorified accused of being uh, you know, glorified mall cops, that sort of thing, tour mall cops, that sort of thing, tour mall cops, that sort of thing, tour guides. But you can go 30 years at the guides. But you can go 30 years at the guides. But you can go 30 years at the Capitol Police and basically never do Capitol Police and basically never do Capitol Police and basically never do anything other than Yes, ma'am. The

anything other than Yes, ma'am. The anything other than Yes, ma'am. The restrooms this way. restrooms this way. restrooms this way. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um, unlike Metropolitan Police >> Um, unlike Metropolitan Police >> Um, unlike Metropolitan Police Department who Department who Department who >> the city of Washington, >> the city of Washington, >> the city of Washington, >> right, DC police, >> right, DC police, >> right, DC police, >> that police force knocks heads every day >> that police force knocks heads every day >> that police force knocks heads every day for sure. for sure. for sure. >> They have to deal with most of the >> They have to deal with most of the >> They have to deal with most of the riots. riots. riots. And so I saw these young kids being And so I saw these young kids being And so I saw these young kids being called to the front line facing actual called to the front line facing actual called to the front line facing actual real violence because there was real real violence because there was real real violence because there was real violence that day. And my next thought violence that day. And my next thought violence that day. And my next thought was what they're seeing coming at them over what they're seeing coming at them over my shoulder. my shoulder. my shoulder. And for instance, the the uh uh Capitol And for instance, the the uh uh Capitol And for instance, the the uh uh Capitol Police Lieutenant Tar Johnson who you Police Lieutenant Tar Johnson who you Police Lieutenant Tar Johnson who you interviewed. interviewed. interviewed. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. um he called his wife and said, "Tell um he called his wife and said, "Tell um he called his wife and said, "Tell the kids I love them. I'm not coming the kids I love them. I'm not coming the kids I love them. I'm not coming home today. This is, you know, we're home today. This is, you know, we're home today. This is, you know, we're we're dying here today." we're dying here today." we're dying here today." And that's what they thought because all And that's what they thought because all And that's what they thought because all of the sudden there's this handful of of the sudden there's this handful of of the sudden there's this handful of just a few dozen people violently just a few dozen people violently just a few dozen people violently attacking the front line of officers, attacking the front line of officers, attacking the front line of officers, but they see tens of thousands of people but they see tens of thousands of people but they see tens of thousands of people over my shoulder coming at them, not over my shoulder coming at them, not over my shoulder coming at them, not [clears throat] knowing what their [clears throat] knowing what their [clears throat] knowing what their intentions were.

intentions were. intentions were. They were scared. They were scared to They were scared. They were scared to They were scared. They were scared to death. Yeah. And some of them death. Yeah. And some of them death. Yeah. And some of them overreacted. So, I have a lot of I have overreacted. So, I have a lot of I have overreacted. So, I have a lot of I have a lot of sympathy for these frontline a lot of sympathy for these frontline a lot of sympathy for these frontline officers because they were not um they officers because they were not um they officers because they were not um they didn't get briefings that morning. didn't get briefings that morning. didn't get briefings that morning. >> Uh they were under under manned, >> Uh they were under under manned, >> Uh they were under under manned, understaffed on purpose. Uh January 6 understaffed on purpose. Uh January 6 understaffed on purpose. Uh January 6 every four years is supposed to be an every four years is supposed to be an every four years is supposed to be an all boots on the ground day all boots on the ground day all boots on the ground day >> for the capital police. They're supposed >> for the capital police. They're supposed >> for the capital police. They're supposed to work double shifts. As a matter of to work double shifts. As a matter of to work double shifts. As a matter of fact, that's policy. That's department fact, that's policy. That's department fact, that's policy. That's department policy for first amendment protest days. policy for first amendment protest days. policy for first amendment protest days. The Capitol police themselves had issued The Capitol police themselves had issued The Capitol police themselves had issued and signed off on six permits for and signed off on six permits for and signed off on six permits for protest on the property that day and protest on the property that day and protest on the property that day and they did not inform their officers that they did not inform their officers that they did not inform their officers that they had issued permits that day. they had issued permits that day. they had issued permits that day. Jeez. Jeez. Jeez. How many uh federal agents in plane How many uh federal agents in plane How many uh federal agents in plane clothes were in the crowd that day? Do clothes were in the crowd that day? Do clothes were in the crowd that day? Do we know? we know? we know? >> Unknown. Um, you have to separate that. >> Unknown. Um, you have to separate that. >> Unknown. Um, you have to separate that. You know, we heard the reports a few You know, we heard the reports a few You know, we heard the reports a few months ago about the 247 that Patel, months ago about the 247 that Patel, months ago about the 247 that Patel, this is one of the actual truths that this is one of the actual truths that this is one of the actual truths that Cash Patel is told about that day is Cash Patel is told about that day is Cash Patel is told about that day is that there were 24ome that there were 24ome that there were 24ome uh FBI agents that were called in for uh FBI agents that were called in for uh FBI agents that were called in for crowd control. But Tucker, they didn't crowd control. But Tucker, they didn't crowd control. But Tucker, they didn't arrive till after 4:00.

arrive till after 4:00. arrive till after 4:00. Those orders were issued late. These Those orders were issued late. These Those orders were issued late. These were not the undercovers. These were not were not the undercovers. These were not were not the undercovers. These were not the ones that that's reported were doing the ones that that's reported were doing the ones that that's reported were doing nefarious activities. These were people nefarious activities. These were people nefarious activities. These were people with no crowd control training with no crowd control training with no crowd control training whatsoever. The FBI is not trained for whatsoever. The FBI is not trained for whatsoever. The FBI is not trained for that. A special agent in the FBI is not that. A special agent in the FBI is not that. A special agent in the FBI is not trained for crowd control. trained for crowd control. trained for crowd control. >> Yeah. They're not bouncers. >> Yeah. They're not bouncers. >> Yeah. They're not bouncers. >> And they showed up with their FBI >> And they showed up with their FBI >> And they showed up with their FBI jackets on, their FBI ball caps, their jackets on, their FBI ball caps, their jackets on, their FBI ball caps, their vests. Uh some of them had put on their vests. Uh some of them had put on their vests. Uh some of them had put on their uh ballistic vests, that kind of thing. uh ballistic vests, that kind of thing. uh ballistic vests, that kind of thing. But it all was emlazing with FBI. These But it all was emlazing with FBI. These But it all was emlazing with FBI. These were not the plane. Okay. All FBI are were not the plane. Okay. All FBI are were not the plane. Okay. All FBI are playing clothes except for the, you playing clothes except for the, you playing clothes except for the, you know, the uh SWAT teams. all of them. know, the uh SWAT teams. all of them. know, the uh SWAT teams. all of them. And so when [clears throat] you say that And so when [clears throat] you say that And so when [clears throat] you say that they were plain clothes, that doesn't they were plain clothes, that doesn't they were plain clothes, that doesn't mean undercover, but they showed up with mean undercover, but they showed up with mean undercover, but they showed up with their FBI, you know, big yellow letters their FBI, you know, big yellow letters their FBI, you know, big yellow letters all over their their gear. And I was all over their their gear. And I was all over their their gear. And I was there. I I videoed them as they arrived, there. I I videoed them as they arrived, there. I I videoed them as they arrived, but I also videoed the SWAT team that but I also videoed the SWAT team that but I also videoed the SWAT team that was already there early on. was already there early on. was already there early on. It was it was FBI SWAT team that were um It was it was FBI SWAT team that were um It was it was FBI SWAT team that were um trying to save Ashley Babbot's life trying to save Ashley Babbot's life trying to save Ashley Babbot's life down in the lower level of the capital.

down in the lower level of the capital. down in the lower level of the capital. Yeah. walked right past her body. Yeah. walked right past her body. Yeah. walked right past her body. >> You did? >> You did? >> You did? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I got her on I got her. I have I'm the >> I got her on I got her. I have I'm the >> I got her on I got her. I have I'm the one that published the video of her one that published the video of her one that published the video of her being extracted out the Yes. being extracted out the Yes. being extracted out the Yes. >> south door. That's my video. >> south door. That's my video. >> south door. That's my video. >> Christians ought to be safe in the Holy >> Christians ought to be safe in the Holy >> Christians ought to be safe in the Holy Land of all places. But they are not. Land of all places. But they are not. Land of all places. But they are not. Keep in mind, these are the descendants Keep in mind, these are the descendants Keep in mind, these are the descendants of the first converts, the first people of the first converts, the first people of the first converts, the first people who followed Jesus, people whose who followed Jesus, people whose who followed Jesus, people whose families have worshiped in the land families have worshiped in the land families have worshiped in the land Jesus walked for centuries, for Jesus walked for centuries, for Jesus walked for centuries, for thousands of years. And these same thousands of years. And these same thousands of years. And these same people are now facing enormous pressure people are now facing enormous pressure people are now facing enormous pressure to leave, fleeing their homes amid war to leave, fleeing their homes amid war to leave, fleeing their homes amid war and anti-Christian terrorism. Untold and anti-Christian terrorism. Untold and anti-Christian terrorism. Untold numbers of innocents are lost and numbers of innocents are lost and numbers of innocents are lost and without hope, fellow Christians. But how without hope, fellow Christians. But how without hope, fellow Christians. But how do you support them? There are groups do you support them? There are groups do you support them? There are groups out there who claim to support them out there who claim to support them out there who claim to support them whose real agenda is to move them out of whose real agenda is to move them out of whose real agenda is to move them out of their actual homeland. We think that's their actual homeland. We think that's their actual homeland. We think that's wrong. We think that's evil, in fact. wrong. We think that's evil, in fact. wrong. We think that's evil, in fact. And so we've looked far and wide to find And so we've looked far and wide to find And so we've looked far and wide to find a group that is actually supporting a group that is actually supporting a group that is actually supporting Christians in the Middle [music] East. Christians in the Middle [music] East. Christians in the Middle [music] East. And we found one. It's called the And we found one. It's called the And we found one. It's called the Vulnerable People Project, VPP. It's one Vulnerable People Project, VPP. It's one Vulnerable People Project, VPP. It's one of the very few groups consistently of the very few groups consistently of the very few groups consistently helping vulnerable Christians throughout helping vulnerable Christians throughout helping vulnerable Christians throughout the Holy Land. They deliver food and the Holy Land. They deliver food and the Holy Land. They deliver food and water to Christian communities trapped water to Christian communities trapped water to Christian communities trapped in Gaza for example. They help rescue in Gaza for example. They help rescue in Gaza for example. They help rescue civilians. They provide emergency aid to civilians. They provide emergency aid to civilians. They provide emergency aid to families who have nowhere else to turn.

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wrong. wrong. >> But but the the relevant question is how >> But but the the relevant question is how >> But but the the relevant question is how many people in the crowd pretending to many people in the crowd pretending to many people in the crowd pretending to be protesters were actually working for be protesters were actually working for be protesters were actually working for the federal government. Correct. And we the federal government. Correct. And we the federal government. Correct. And we don't have that answer. We don't have don't have that answer. We don't have don't have that answer. We don't have that number. The FBI could tell us that that number. The FBI could tell us that that number. The FBI could tell us that number. They know that number. First of number. They know that number. First of number. They know that number. First of all, we know that there was 20some CHS's all, we know that there was 20some CHS's all, we know that there was 20some CHS's that they have told us about that they have told us about that they have told us about confidential human sources actively confidential human sources actively confidential human sources actively working with CIA hand I mean I'm sorry working with CIA hand I mean I'm sorry working with CIA hand I mean I'm sorry FBI handlers as they were embedded in FBI handlers as they were embedded in FBI handlers as they were embedded in the various organizations whether the the various organizations whether the the various organizations whether the Proud Boys or the Oathkeepers or 3enters Proud Boys or the Oathkeepers or 3enters Proud Boys or the Oathkeepers or 3enters or whatever. We know that uh we don't I or whatever. We know that uh we don't I or whatever. We know that uh we don't I believe there was a much higher number believe there was a much higher number believe there was a much higher number than that that they've not revealed. And than that that they've not revealed. And than that that they've not revealed. And then of course there were the oper then of course there were the oper then of course there were the oper operatives. The other thing, and I'm not operatives. The other thing, and I'm not operatives. The other thing, and I'm not trying I'm not trying to give FBI any trying I'm not trying to give FBI any trying I'm not trying to give FBI any grace in this, but the truth of the grace in this, but the truth of the grace in this, but the truth of the matter is is if you've got a crowd size matter is is if you've got a crowd size matter is is if you've got a crowd size of my estimate was that the total crowd of my estimate was that the total crowd of my estimate was that the total crowd size was between 400,000 600,000 people size was between 400,000 600,000 people size was between 400,000 600,000 people at the capital that day. at the capital that day. at the capital that day. >> Damn. >> Damn. >> Damn. actual Capitol police officers who actual Capitol police officers who actual Capitol police officers who testified in the crowd said that as they testified in the crowd said that as they testified in the crowd said that as they looked out over the sea of people, it looked out over the sea of people, it looked out over the sea of people, it was, this is a quote from the trials, it was, this is a quote from the trials, it was, this is a quote from the trials, it was a crowd as large as any inaugural was a crowd as large as any inaugural was a crowd as large as any inaugural event I have ever attended. That means event I have ever attended. That means event I have ever attended. That means it's big, really big. And so, it's big, really big. And so, it's big, really big. And so, um, now the press still says that there um, now the press still says that there um, now the press still says that there were only 30,000 people in in DC that were only 30,000 people in in DC that were only 30,000 people in in DC that day. They they've held to that number.

day. They they've held to that number. day. They they've held to that number. Um, and that's incorrect. Then you've Um, and that's incorrect. Then you've Um, and that's incorrect. Then you've got people that exaggerate and say there got people that exaggerate and say there got people that exaggerate and say there were two million people, but there were two million people, but there were two million people, but there weren't. So weren't. So weren't. So you have this situation where in a sit you have this situation where in a sit you have this situation where in a sit in a crowd of that size anytime, you're in a crowd of that size anytime, you're in a crowd of that size anytime, you're going to have elements of all of the going to have elements of all of the going to have elements of all of the federal law enforcement agencies and federal law enforcement agencies and federal law enforcement agencies and departments and bureaus are going to be departments and bureaus are going to be departments and bureaus are going to be there. They're going to have counter there. They're going to have counter there. They're going to have counter surveillance teams in the crowd and we surveillance teams in the crowd and we surveillance teams in the crowd and we want them there. want them there. want them there. They're sniffing for bombs. They're They're sniffing for bombs. They're They're sniffing for bombs. They're they're looking for nerd elves. They they're looking for nerd elves. They they're looking for nerd elves. They they know the signs. They're trained for they know the signs. They're trained for they know the signs. They're trained for that very thing. And we want them there that very thing. And we want them there that very thing. And we want them there just as we want them in Time Square, you just as we want them in Time Square, you just as we want them in Time Square, you know, on New Year's Eve, just as we want know, on New Year's Eve, just as we want know, on New Year's Eve, just as we want them in any large event. them in any large event. them in any large event. >> Sure. Cuz they're there to protect the >> Sure. Cuz they're there to protect the >> Sure. Cuz they're there to protect the public. What you don't want is plain public. What you don't want is plain public. What you don't want is plain closed federal agents or confidential closed federal agents or confidential closed federal agents or confidential human sources stirring up mayhem, human sources stirring up mayhem, human sources stirring up mayhem, provoking violence provoking violence provoking violence >> or actual trained provocators. >> or actual trained provocators. >> or actual trained provocators. >> Provocators >> Provocators >> Provocators >> in the crowd. Were there?

>> in the crowd. Were there? >> in the crowd. Were there? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Was Ray Eps one of them? >> Was Ray Eps one of them? >> Was Ray Eps one of them? >> I believe he was. I mean that look the >> I believe he was. I mean that look the >> I believe he was. I mean that look the circumstantial evidence is there. I circumstantial evidence is there. I circumstantial evidence is there. I mean, look, you know the story mean, look, you know the story mean, look, you know the story intimately about Ray Eps. Um, intimately about Ray Eps. Um, intimately about Ray Eps. Um, >> he kept threatening to sue me, but never >> he kept threatening to sue me, but never >> he kept threatening to sue me, but never did. did. did. >> Yeah. Well, he he probably doesn't want >> Yeah. Well, he he probably doesn't want >> Yeah. Well, he he probably doesn't want to go through discovery. to go through discovery. to go through discovery. >> I would I suspect that's true. >> I would I suspect that's true. >> I would I suspect that's true. >> Absolutely. But I mean, look, we we >> Absolutely. But I mean, look, we we >> Absolutely. But I mean, look, we we don't need to relive his case, but the don't need to relive his case, but the don't need to relive his case, but the obvious is the obvious. He was number 16 obvious is the obvious. He was number 16 obvious is the obvious. He was number 16 on the FBI's January 6 most wanted list. on the FBI's January 6 most wanted list. on the FBI's January 6 most wanted list. And then suddenly he wasn't and suddenly And then suddenly he wasn't and suddenly And then suddenly he wasn't and suddenly disappeared. And suddenly the New York disappeared. And suddenly the New York disappeared. And suddenly the New York Times comes out Alan Foyer and does a Times comes out Alan Foyer and does a Times comes out Alan Foyer and does a puff piece article on him and gosh when puff piece article on him and gosh when puff piece article on him and gosh when did that come out? Summer of 22. And did that come out? Summer of 22. And did that come out? Summer of 22. And they made him the sympathetic character. they made him the sympathetic character. they made him the sympathetic character. >> I never forget it. Yeah. >> I never forget it. Yeah. >> I never forget it. Yeah. >> It's incredible. How does how does the >> It's incredible. How does how does the >> It's incredible. How does how does the guy that is the most open most person guy that is the most open most person guy that is the most open most person calling people to go into the capital, calling people to go into the capital, calling people to go into the capital, how does he become the sympathetic how does he become the sympathetic how does he become the sympathetic character of the left character of the left character of the left >> and never get charged? You know, >> and never get charged? You know, >> and never get charged? You know, >> eventually >> eventually >> eventually >> eventually, right? But but with minor >> eventually, right? But but with minor >> eventually, right? But but with minor charges.

charges. charges. >> He never even had to come into >> He never even had to come into >> He never even had to come into >> never got charged with anything. No, >> never got charged with anything. No, >> never got charged with anything. No, which is kind of crazy since Nick which is kind of crazy since Nick which is kind of crazy since Nick Fuentes was calling people to rush the Fuentes was calling people to rush the Fuentes was calling people to rush the capital. What is that? a lot of people capital. What is that? a lot of people capital. What is that? a lot of people there a lot there's there's characters there a lot there's there's characters there a lot there's there's characters that are on video and there's a there's that are on video and there's a there's that are on video and there's a there's a tremendous amount of video beyond the a tremendous amount of video beyond the a tremendous amount of video beyond the Capitol police CCTV which by the way Capitol police CCTV which by the way Capitol police CCTV which by the way that video has no you know CCTV as you that video has no you know CCTV as you that video has no you know CCTV as you know has no audio but the body cam know has no audio but the body cam know has no audio but the body cam footage the news camera footages the footage the news camera footages the footage the news camera footages the insane amount of iPhone footage that insane amount of iPhone footage that insane amount of iPhone footage that have been collected for discovery in all have been collected for discovery in all have been collected for discovery in all these trials so we hear tons and tons of these trials so we hear tons and tons of these trials so we hear tons and tons of characters that are calling for violence characters that are calling for violence characters that are calling for violence calling for people to attack law calling for people to attack law calling for people to attack law enforcement, to storm the capital, this enforcement, to storm the capital, this enforcement, to storm the capital, this that and the other thing. And so many of that and the other thing. And so many of that and the other thing. And so many of those have never been arrested. those have never been arrested. those have never been arrested. >> Is that true? >> Is that true? >> Is that true? >> Absolutely. Meanwhile, you were and I >> Absolutely. Meanwhile, you were and I >> Absolutely. Meanwhile, you were and I was correct. was correct. was correct. >> And what were you charged with? >> And what were you charged with? >> And what were you charged with? [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] So when when the FBI first interviewed So when when the FBI first interviewed So when when the FBI first interviewed me in October of 21, a month later, the me in October of 21, a month later, the me in October of 21, a month later, the uh US attorney, assistant US attorney uh US attorney, assistant US attorney uh US attorney, assistant US attorney who had my case, notified my attorney in who had my case, notified my attorney in who had my case, notified my attorney in Raleigh, that his client was going to be Raleigh, that his client was going to be Raleigh, that his client was going to be charged within the week. This was the charged within the week. This was the charged within the week. This was the week before Thanksgiving of 21. And they week before Thanksgiving of 21. And they week before Thanksgiving of 21. And they listed the charges. They were going to listed the charges. They were going to listed the charges. They were going to charge me with, I kid you not, charge me with, I kid you not, charge me with, I kid you not, interstate racketeering.

interstate racketeering. interstate racketeering. To my knowledge, I was the only one of To my knowledge, I was the only one of To my knowledge, I was the only one of everybody in the whole January uh 6 drag everybody in the whole January uh 6 drag everybody in the whole January uh 6 drag net prosecutions weaponization of our net prosecutions weaponization of our net prosecutions weaponization of our government against all of us that was government against all of us that was government against all of us that was going to be charged with racketeering. going to be charged with racketeering. going to be charged with racketeering. And basically the case that they were And basically the case that they were And basically the case that they were going to make is that because I as an going to make is that because I as an going to make is that because I as an independent journalist blogger had made independent journalist blogger had made independent journalist blogger had made money from the licensing of my videos, money from the licensing of my videos, money from the licensing of my videos, HBO uh licensed my videos. Uh New York HBO uh licensed my videos. Uh New York HBO uh licensed my videos. Uh New York Times licensed my videos for their Times licensed my videos for their Times licensed my videos for their documentary. Uh others all over the documentary. Uh others all over the documentary. Uh others all over the world licensed some of my videos. And world licensed some of my videos. And world licensed some of my videos. And you know, you don't give much you know, you don't give much you know, you don't give much [clears throat] money for, you know, [clears throat] money for, you know, [clears throat] money for, you know, it's like uh the the the standard rate it's like uh the the the standard rate it's like uh the the the standard rate is $1,000 per minute. Well, so when they is $1,000 per minute. Well, so when they is $1,000 per minute. Well, so when they when they use six seconds of your video, when they use six seconds of your video, when they use six seconds of your video, you're not getting a lot of money. you're not getting a lot of money. you're not getting a lot of money. >> No. So So uh uh that was the only thing >> No. So So uh uh that was the only thing >> No. So So uh uh that was the only thing that we could conclude. And then so what that we could conclude. And then so what that we could conclude. And then so what we did is we did a major press we did is we did a major press we did is we did a major press offensive. So this was the week before offensive. So this was the week before offensive. So this was the week before Thanksgiving. On Monday of Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. On Monday of Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. On Monday of Thanksgiving week, we sent out about 200 press week, we sent out about 200 press week, we sent out about 200 press releases to all manner of media and releases to all manner of media and releases to all manner of media and saying that, you know, journalist is saying that, you know, journalist is saying that, you know, journalist is being prosecuted for his journalism on being prosecuted for his journalism on being prosecuted for his journalism on January 6th being me. And the DOJ backed January 6th being me. And the DOJ backed January 6th being me. And the DOJ backed off and we didn't hear from them again off and we didn't hear from them again off and we didn't hear from them again for even though they said I was going to for even though they said I was going to for even though they said I was going to be arrested Thanksgiving week. We have be arrested Thanksgiving week. We have be arrested Thanksgiving week. We have this in writing by the way, still do.

this in writing by the way, still do. this in writing by the way, still do. They said I was going to be arrested the They said I was going to be arrested the They said I was going to be arrested the week of Thanksgiving of 21. We didn't week of Thanksgiving of 21. We didn't week of Thanksgiving of 21. We didn't hear from them again till 20 months hear from them again till 20 months hear from them again till 20 months later when I got a grand jury subpoena. later when I got a grand jury subpoena. later when I got a grand jury subpoena. >> 20 months. >> 20 months. >> 20 months. >> 20 months. They went dead silent. Would >> 20 months. They went dead silent. Would >> 20 months. They went dead silent. Would not even respond to my attorneys. not even respond to my attorneys. not even respond to my attorneys. >> That's so wrong. That is not a free >> That's so wrong. That is not a free >> That's so wrong. That is not a free country when they act like that. country when they act like that. country when they act like that. >> Left me in the lurch like that for that >> Left me in the lurch like that for that >> Left me in the lurch like that for that long. And then it was until uh after the long. And then it was until uh after the long. And then it was until uh after the grand jury subpoena, it was another 8 grand jury subpoena, it was another 8 grand jury subpoena, it was another 8 months before they did actually arrest months before they did actually arrest months before they did actually arrest me. And I Where did they arrest you? I me. And I Where did they arrest you? I me. And I Where did they arrest you? I uh I was working for the Blaze at the uh I was working for the Blaze at the uh I was working for the Blaze at the time and I was in Dallas where the Blaze time and I was in Dallas where the Blaze time and I was in Dallas where the Blaze headquarters was. That was kind of headquarters was. That was kind of headquarters was. That was kind of pre-planned when they when they told us pre-planned when they when they told us pre-planned when they when they told us what the what the date of my uh what the what the date of my uh what the what the date of my uh voluntary voluntary voluntary submission to the FBI. We chose to do submission to the FBI. We chose to do submission to the FBI. We chose to do that in Dallas so that we could get it that in Dallas so that we could get it that in Dallas so that we could get it all on camera. And uh I submitted myself all on camera. And uh I submitted myself all on camera. And uh I submitted myself to the FBI field office in Dallas. And to the FBI field office in Dallas. And to the FBI field office in Dallas. And then they uh processed me there, then they uh processed me there, then they uh processed me there, handcuffed me. That's where they handcuffed me. That's where they handcuffed me. That's where they captured my perk walk per burp walk on captured my perk walk per burp walk on captured my perk walk per burp walk on camera. And then they took me down to camera. And then they took me down to camera. And then they took me down to the federal courthouse in Dallas. the federal courthouse in Dallas. the federal courthouse in Dallas. >> You charged with a felony?

>> You charged with a felony? >> You charged with a felony? >> Nope, I wasn't. I was charged with four >> Nope, I wasn't. I was charged with four >> Nope, I wasn't. I was charged with four misdemeanors. Ultimately, that's they misdemeanors. Ultimately, that's they misdemeanors. Ultimately, that's they charged me with the basic four. You charged me with the basic four. You charged me with the basic four. You know, parading um [clears throat] what I know, parading um [clears throat] what I know, parading um [clears throat] what I call glorified trespassing, call glorified trespassing, call glorified trespassing, >> disorderly conduct. >> disorderly conduct. >> disorderly conduct. >> Well, they do that, but there wasn't >> Well, they do that, but there wasn't >> Well, they do that, but there wasn't any. In fact, that was the other any. In fact, that was the other any. In fact, that was the other advantage that we had. Even before my advantage that we had. Even before my advantage that we had. Even before my arrest through the blaze, we released arrest through the blaze, we released arrest through the blaze, we released all 37 minutes of me in the capital all 37 minutes of me in the capital all 37 minutes of me in the capital behaving like a journalist, stopping, behaving like a journalist, stopping, behaving like a journalist, stopping, taking notes, camera, this that. I mean, taking notes, camera, this that. I mean, taking notes, camera, this that. I mean, my entire 37 minutes are on YouTube. my entire 37 minutes are on YouTube. my entire 37 minutes are on YouTube. You're going to go watch it right now. You're going to go watch it right now. You're going to go watch it right now. And so, what happened? Um, ultimately, I And so, what happened? Um, ultimately, I And so, what happened? Um, ultimately, I uh had a trial date set that was exactly uh had a trial date set that was exactly uh had a trial date set that was exactly one week after the 204 election. I had one week after the 204 election. I had one week after the 204 election. I had Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you serious? >> Yeah. So, I have um my pre-trial hearing >> Yeah. So, I have um my pre-trial hearing >> Yeah. So, I have um my pre-trial hearing was the day after the election and Judge was the day after the election and Judge was the day after the election and Judge Christopher Cooper, which by the way, Christopher Cooper, which by the way, Christopher Cooper, which by the way, the same judge who just made uh made the same judge who just made uh made the same judge who just made uh made them tank take Trump's name off of the them tank take Trump's name off of the them tank take Trump's name off of the Kennedy Center, uh same judge, he um Kennedy Center, uh same judge, he um Kennedy Center, uh same judge, he um [clears throat] he hated me. He really [clears throat] he hated me. He really [clears throat] he hated me. He really wanted to put me in jail for what? Um wanted to put me in jail for what? Um wanted to put me in jail for what? Um uh my journalism uh my journalism uh my journalism >> walking in a building you owned to >> walking in a building you owned to >> walking in a building you owned to commit journalism.

commit journalism. commit journalism. >> Wait till you hear what he said in my >> Wait till you hear what he said in my >> Wait till you hear what he said in my hearing. hearing. hearing. So the day after the election, he was So the day after the election, he was So the day after the election, he was obviously in a bad mood because Trump obviously in a bad mood because Trump obviously in a bad mood because Trump won won won and and and he shot down every one of our motions. I he shot down every one of our motions. I he shot down every one of our motions. I mean, it would not allow allow me to mean, it would not allow allow me to mean, it would not allow allow me to present a selective prosecution defense. present a selective prosecution defense. present a selective prosecution defense. And that was going to be our primary And that was going to be our primary And that was going to be our primary defense is because we were going to defense is because we were going to defense is because we were going to force the government to explain why the force the government to explain why the force the government to explain why the other 80s something journalists that other 80s something journalists that other 80s something journalists that came in from the outside into the inside came in from the outside into the inside came in from the outside into the inside of the capital that day and followed the of the capital that day and followed the of the capital that day and followed the story where the story went, why weren't story where the story went, why weren't story where the story went, why weren't they prosecuted? they prosecuted? they prosecuted? All the people that work for the New All the people that work for the New All the people that work for the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., >> they were not arrested. >> they were not arrested. >> they were not arrested. >> Correct. Not arrested, not charged with >> Correct. Not arrested, not charged with >> Correct. Not arrested, not charged with anything. Why were they not? And yet I anything. Why were they not? And yet I anything. Why were they not? And yet I was. So that was going to be our was. So that was going to be our was. So that was going to be our argument. And the judge totally said, argument. And the judge totally said, argument. And the judge totally said, "You're not you're not going to do a "You're not you're not going to do a "You're not you're not going to do a selective prosecution and you cannot selective prosecution and you cannot selective prosecution and you cannot present a First Amendment case in this present a First Amendment case in this present a First Amendment case in this courtroom. [laughter] courtroom. [laughter] courtroom. [laughter] >> You can't appeal to the Constitution of >> You can't appeal to the Constitution of >> You can't appeal to the Constitution of your own country." your own country." your own country." >> That's correct. So, uh, as soon as we >> That's correct. So, uh, as soon as we >> That's correct. So, uh, as soon as we got off of the pre-trial hearing, it was got off of the pre-trial hearing, it was got off of the pre-trial hearing, it was a Zoom call. I got on another Zoom call a Zoom call. I got on another Zoom call a Zoom call. I got on another Zoom call with my attorneys, four of them, and with my attorneys, four of them, and with my attorneys, four of them, and immediately two of my attorneys who are immediately two of my attorneys who are immediately two of my attorneys who are former federal prosecutors themselves former federal prosecutors themselves former federal prosecutors themselves said, "Look, you understand that this said, "Look, you understand that this said, "Look, you understand that this trial is going to be nothing but a trial is going to be nothing but a trial is going to be nothing but a shaming exercise against you." And I shaming exercise against you." And I shaming exercise against you." And I said, "Yeah, I've been covering the said, "Yeah, I've been covering the said, "Yeah, I've been covering the trials. I know exactly what they're trials. I know exactly what they're trials. I know exactly what they're going to do. I'm not doing it." Informed going to do. I'm not doing it." Informed going to do. I'm not doing it." Informed the court, informed the DOJ that I'm the court, informed the DOJ that I'm the court, informed the DOJ that I'm pleading guilty to all four misdemeanor pleading guilty to all four misdemeanor pleading guilty to all four misdemeanor charges.

charges. charges. >> And what was the penalty? >> And what was the penalty? >> And what was the penalty? >> Well, so this was now a So my pre-trial >> Well, so this was now a So my pre-trial >> Well, so this was now a So my pre-trial hearing was the day after the election. hearing was the day after the election. hearing was the day after the election. My beginning of my court date was My beginning of my court date was My beginning of my court date was supposed to be the very next week, supposed to be the very next week, supposed to be the very next week, exactly one week after the election. exactly one week after the election. exactly one week after the election. The next day, The next day, The next day, we got a message from Charlie Kirk we got a message from Charlie Kirk we got a message from Charlie Kirk because he was on the transition team because he was on the transition team because he was on the transition team and he said directly to me, "Your pardon and he said directly to me, "Your pardon and he said directly to me, "Your pardon is a done deal. Don't worry about it. is a done deal. Don't worry about it. is a done deal. Don't worry about it. It's all taken care of." So, I had that knowledge and that So, I had that knowledge and that information going into my trial date information going into my trial date information going into my trial date and um I rolled the dice. That's why I and um I rolled the dice. That's why I and um I rolled the dice. That's why I plead guilty to all four rather than plead guilty to all four rather than plead guilty to all four rather than going through the humiliation exercise. going through the humiliation exercise. going through the humiliation exercise. And so, we were in the hearing and at And so, we were in the hearing and at And so, we were in the hearing and at the end of that pleading guilty to all the end of that pleading guilty to all the end of that pleading guilty to all four, the judge asked the clerk, "When four, the judge asked the clerk, "When four, the judge asked the clerk, "When is Mr. Baker's um is Mr. Baker's um is Mr. Baker's um um sentencing hearing and she typed in, um sentencing hearing and she typed in, um sentencing hearing and she typed in, she goes, "Mr. Baker, sentencing hearing she goes, "Mr. Baker, sentencing hearing she goes, "Mr. Baker, sentencing hearing will be March 6th." He goes, "Okay." He will be March 6th." He goes, "Okay." He will be March 6th." He goes, "Okay." He said, "Mr. Baker, your sentencing said, "Mr. Baker, your sentencing said, "Mr. Baker, your sentencing hearing is going to be on March 6th of hearing is going to be on March 6th of hearing is going to be on March 6th of uh next year." He said, "But since I uh next year." He said, "But since I uh next year." He said, "But since I probably will not see you in March," probably will not see you in March," probably will not see you in March," he knew the he knew the pardons were he knew the he knew the pardons were he knew the he knew the pardons were coming as well. All of the all of those coming as well. All of the all of those coming as well. All of the all of those judges did. They all knew it that the judges did. They all knew it that the judges did. They all knew it that the pardons were coming. He said, 'Since I pardons were coming. He said, 'Since I pardons were coming. He said, 'Since I won't see you in March, he said, and I'm won't see you in March, he said, and I'm won't see you in March, he said, and I'm and I quote, "I'm going to hazard to

and I quote, "I'm going to hazard to and I quote, "I'm going to hazard to deliver to you the remarks that I would deliver to you the remarks that I would deliver to you the remarks that I would normally give at your sentencing normally give at your sentencing normally give at your sentencing hearing." hearing." hearing." And then he dressed me down for the next And then he dressed me down for the next And then he dressed me down for the next seven or eight minutes. I have the seven or eight minutes. I have the seven or eight minutes. I have the transcript for my journal. He never transcript for my journal. He never transcript for my journal. He never mentioned one thing I was charged with. mentioned one thing I was charged with. mentioned one thing I was charged with. Never mentioned anything that I did or Never mentioned anything that I did or Never mentioned anything that I did or said at the capital. The only thing he said at the capital. The only thing he said at the capital. The only thing he did was my post January 6 um uh or did was my post January 6 um uh or did was my post January 6 um uh or talked about was my post January 6 talked about was my post January 6 talked about was my post January 6 journalism in which I had referred to journalism in which I had referred to journalism in which I had referred to the weaponization of the Department of the weaponization of the Department of the weaponization of the Department of Justice and the bias of this court and Justice and the bias of this court and Justice and the bias of this court and he spent seven or eight minutes he spent seven or eight minutes he spent seven or eight minutes defending the court against my defending the court against my defending the court against my journalism. journalism. journalism. Not one word about my Not one word about my Not one word about my >> This is nuts >> This is nuts >> This is nuts >> charges. Nuts. >> charges. Nuts. >> charges. Nuts. >> We have I have it all. It's all have I >> We have I have it all. It's all have I >> We have I have it all. It's all have I have the transcripts. have the transcripts. have the transcripts. Wow. So, you never went to jail? Wow. So, you never went to jail? Wow. So, you never went to jail? >> No. Uh, I I did not get a pardon. I got >> No. Uh, I I did not get a pardon. I got >> No. Uh, I I did not get a pardon. I got a case dismissal with prejudice because a case dismissal with prejudice because a case dismissal with prejudice because in the federal system, until you are um in the federal system, until you are um in the federal system, until you are um sentenced, sentenced, sentenced, >> you're not convicted, >> you're not convicted, >> you're not convicted, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Because that's when the >> Because that's when the >> Because that's when the paperwork basically is filed. And uh so paperwork basically is filed. And uh so paperwork basically is filed. And uh so I was uh it's for me it's like it never I was uh it's for me it's like it never I was uh it's for me it's like it never happened. I mean, it did. I went through happened. I mean, it did. I went through happened. I mean, it did. I went through three years of hell with that, but three years of hell with that, but three years of hell with that, but >> yeah. And the cost I can't even imagine. >> yeah. And the cost I can't even imagine. >> yeah. And the cost I can't even imagine. Um, wow. I don't think that got enough Um, wow. I don't think that got enough Um, wow. I don't think that got enough attention at the time. attention at the time. attention at the time. I was one of the high-profile cases. I I was one of the high-profile cases. I I was one of the high-profile cases. I actually had a bevy of mainstream media actually had a bevy of mainstream media actually had a bevy of mainstream media journalists from the Washington Post, AP journalists from the Washington Post, AP journalists from the Washington Post, AP and uh, W USA 9 and everything were and uh, W USA 9 and everything were and uh, W USA 9 and everything were there in my in my hearing. They were there in my in my hearing. They were there in my in my hearing. They were there. And in fact, in the press there. And in fact, in the press there. And in fact, in the press conference afterwards outside the conference afterwards outside the conference afterwards outside the courthouse, I actually looked at the the courthouse, I actually looked at the the courthouse, I actually looked at the the guy from the Washington Post, Spencer guy from the Washington Post, Spencer guy from the Washington Post, Spencer Hugh, and I said, "You were in there. Hugh, and I said, "You were in there. Hugh, and I said, "You were in there. You heard what the judge said. He You heard what the judge said. He You heard what the judge said. He criticized me for my journalism, not for criticized me for my journalism, not for criticized me for my journalism, not for what I did on January." what I did on January." what I did on January." >> What did Spencer Hugh of the Washington >> What did Spencer Hugh of the Washington >> What did Spencer Hugh of the Washington Post say? Post say? Post say? >> He went, "Yeah, yeah, you're right." And >> He went, "Yeah, yeah, you're right." And >> He went, "Yeah, yeah, you're right." And then his article that came out later then his article that came out later then his article that came out later that day was incredibly fair. that day was incredibly fair. that day was incredibly fair. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So it was I don't know but it was months So it was I don't know but it was months So it was I don't know but it was months many months after uh January 6th that I many months after uh January 6th that I many months after uh January 6th that I first became aware of the mystery of the first became aware of the mystery of the first became aware of the mystery of the two pipe bombs left on Capitol Hill that two pipe bombs left on Capitol Hill that two pipe bombs left on Capitol Hill that morning. It was a piece I think by morning. It was a piece I think by morning. It was a piece I think by Darren Bey and Revolver.

Darren Bey and Revolver. Darren Bey and Revolver. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um >> Um >> Um and and and so that was at least four years ago and so that was at least four years ago and so that was at least four years ago and I don't think we're any closer to or I'm I don't think we're any closer to or I'm I don't think we're any closer to or I'm not any closer to understanding what not any closer to understanding what not any closer to understanding what that was. Can you describe the story that was. Can you describe the story that was. Can you describe the story like what was publicly like what was publicly like what was publicly conveyed about those pipe bombs and then conveyed about those pipe bombs and then conveyed about those pipe bombs and then tell the story about what you think tell the story about what you think tell the story about what you think actually happened? actually happened? actually happened? >> Yeah. What what the public believes >> Yeah. What what the public believes >> Yeah. What what the public believes happened was that a nefarious individual happened was that a nefarious individual happened was that a nefarious individual planted uh these uh planted uh these uh planted uh these uh devices, these weapons of mass devices, these weapons of mass devices, these weapons of mass destruction at both the Republican destruction at both the Republican destruction at both the Republican National Committee headquarters and the National Committee headquarters and the National Committee headquarters and the Democratic National Committee Democratic National Committee Democratic National Committee headquarters. And that uh a lot of headquarters. And that uh a lot of headquarters. And that uh a lot of people believe that those were to be people believe that those were to be people believe that those were to be used in case uh we couldn't stop the uh used in case uh we couldn't stop the uh used in case uh we couldn't stop the uh you know we you know the uh the people you know we you know the uh the people you know we you know the uh the people who stormed the capital that day who stormed the capital that day who stormed the capital that day insurrectionist right the insurrectionist right the insurrectionist right the insurrectionist which I was accused of insurrectionist which I was accused of insurrectionist which I was accused of being uh couldn't stop the vote that day being uh couldn't stop the vote that day being uh couldn't stop the vote that day or the the confirmation of the electoral or the the confirmation of the electoral or the the confirmation of the electoral college vote that they were going to college vote that they were going to college vote that they were going to blow blow the bombs. That was the blow blow the bombs. That was the blow blow the bombs. That was the initial thought and that was of course initial thought and that was of course initial thought and that was of course the the way the press breathlessly the the way the press breathlessly the the way the press breathlessly presented this, presented this, presented this, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Um that's not at all what happened. >> Um that's not at all what happened. >> Um that's not at all what happened. Let's just start with the very Let's just start with the very Let's just start with the very beginning. beginning. beginning. >> So this is but here's what we know or we >> So this is but here's what we know or we >> So this is but here's what we know or we read that day or the next day. Two read that day or the next day. Two read that day or the next day. Two bombs, two explosive devices were found bombs, two explosive devices were found bombs, two explosive devices were found outside in front of the RNC and the DNC outside in front of the RNC and the DNC outside in front of the RNC and the DNC on Capitol Hill on January 6th. Correct. on Capitol Hill on January 6th. Correct. on Capitol Hill on January 6th. Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yes. Now everything starts breaking down >> Yes. Now everything starts breaking down >> Yes. Now everything starts breaking down from there. First of all, we now know in from there. First of all, we now know in from there. First of all, we now know in hindsight from actual FBI agents who hindsight from actual FBI agents who hindsight from actual FBI agents who were tasked were tasked were tasked to that investigation that they were to that investigation that they were to that investigation that they were told by leadership that the devices were told by leadership that the devices were told by leadership that the devices were inert. individuals that are familiar with bomb individuals that are familiar with bomb making and bomb training from all of the making and bomb training from all of the making and bomb training from all of the federal agencies have said looking at federal agencies have said looking at federal agencies have said looking at the photographs and looking at the FBI's the photographs and looking at the FBI's the photographs and looking at the FBI's uh forensic report which came out a week uh forensic report which came out a week uh forensic report which came out a week later. I have I have the entire report later. I have I have the entire report later. I have I have the entire report said that these were typical training said that these were typical training said that these were typical training devices. devices. devices. >> H they were not bombs. >> H they were not bombs. >> H they were not bombs. >> They were not bombs. One of the FBI >> They were not bombs. One of the FBI >> They were not bombs. One of the FBI whistleblowers famously said they would whistleblowers famously said they would whistleblowers famously said they would have been bombs if they had been bombs.

And and so we now know that despite what And and so we now know that despite what the FBI continues to say about the the FBI continues to say about the the FBI continues to say about the devices being dangerous, being the devices being dangerous, being the devices being dangerous, being the having the potential to do great harm having the potential to do great harm having the potential to do great harm and bodily, in fact, they've charged the and bodily, in fact, they've charged the and bodily, in fact, they've charged the guy that they've arrested with weapons guy that they've arrested with weapons guy that they've arrested with weapons of mass destruction and terrorism. of mass destruction and terrorism. of mass destruction and terrorism. But But But I mean, when it was first reported, it I mean, when it was first reported, it I mean, when it was first reported, it was reported as as an act of terrorism. was reported as as an act of terrorism. was reported as as an act of terrorism. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But you're saying the FBI knew right >> But you're saying the FBI knew right >> But you're saying the FBI knew right away or away or away or >> Absolutely. They knew >> Absolutely. They knew >> Absolutely. They knew >> they were not bombs. >> they were not bombs. >> they were not bombs. >> Yeah. They they knew on the day of that >> Yeah. They they knew on the day of that >> Yeah. They they knew on the day of that they were not bombs. Why would they lie they were not bombs. Why would they lie they were not bombs. Why would they lie about that? about that? about that? Um I don't think that the FBI was Um I don't think that the FBI was Um I don't think that the FBI was brought into the lie until the brought into the lie until the brought into the lie until the investigation began and then that's when investigation began and then that's when investigation began and then that's when the blob informed the blob that we must the blob informed the blob that we must the blob informed the blob that we must protect the blob. protect the blob. protect the blob. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And that's where we are today. >> And that's where we are today. >> And that's where we are today. >> Well, that's how things actually work. >> Well, that's how things actually work. >> Well, that's how things actually work. >> That's how it's not partisan. >> That's how it's not partisan. >> That's how it's not partisan. >> No, >> No, >> No, >> it's not one agency. It's not a rogue >> it's not one agency. It's not a rogue >> it's not one agency. It's not a rogue agency or a rogue politician. It is the agency or a rogue politician. It is the agency or a rogue politician. It is the system protecting itself.

system protecting itself. system protecting itself. >> And by the way, I I stole the blob >> And by the way, I I stole the blob >> And by the way, I I stole the blob analogy from Mike Benz who actually did analogy from Mike Benz who actually did analogy from Mike Benz who actually did the work for Darren Bey back on the the work for Darren Bey back on the the work for Darren Bey back on the pipeline. pipeline. pipeline. >> I did and I should have said that. I >> I did and I should have said that. I >> I did and I should have said that. I should have said that. should have said that. should have said that. >> And so the uh >> And so the uh >> And so the uh the first that was the first breakdown. the first that was the first breakdown. the first that was the first breakdown. The second breakdown is is then in the The second breakdown is is then in the The second breakdown is is then in the timing. So the discovery of the devices, timing. So the discovery of the devices, timing. So the discovery of the devices, the first one was discovered 25 minutes the first one was discovered 25 minutes the first one was discovered 25 minutes before the bicameal meeting of Congress before the bicameal meeting of Congress before the bicameal meeting of Congress and the gavl dropped by Vice President and the gavl dropped by Vice President and the gavl dropped by Vice President Pence at 1:00. So the first bomb was Pence at 1:00. So the first bomb was Pence at 1:00. So the first bomb was discovered 25 minutes before that. All discovered 25 minutes before that. All discovered 25 minutes before that. All right. Um then the second device was right. Um then the second device was right. Um then the second device was discovered 5 minutes after 1:00. discovered 5 minutes after 1:00. discovered 5 minutes after 1:00. Well, chief police son or a c chief of Well, chief police son or a c chief of Well, chief police son or a c chief of police, capital police son who you've police, capital police son who you've police, capital police son who you've interviewed a couple of times, uh he interviewed a couple of times, uh he interviewed a couple of times, uh he absolutely says that those were absolutely says that those were absolutely says that those were diversionary devices. Those were meant diversionary devices. Those were meant diversionary devices. Those were meant to divert resources from the capital to divert resources from the capital to divert resources from the capital already, as I mentioned earlier, already, as I mentioned earlier, already, as I mentioned earlier, extremely depleted. There's on January extremely depleted. There's on January extremely depleted. There's on January 6, there were 2,000 unifor uniformed 6, there were 2,000 unifor uniformed 6, there were 2,000 unifor uniformed officers with the capital police. less officers with the capital police. less officers with the capital police. less than 250 were on duty that day than 250 were on duty that day than 250 were on duty that day >> despite the fact there were all these >> despite the fact there were all these >> despite the fact there were all these six or something registered protests.

six or something registered protests. six or something registered protests. >> Despite the fact that the assistant >> Despite the fact that the assistant >> Despite the fact that the assistant chief of police, Yogan the Pitman chief of police, Yogan the Pitman chief of police, Yogan the Pitman >> had signed off on six legally permitted >> had signed off on six legally permitted >> had signed off on six legally permitted protest events on the capital grounds. protest events on the capital grounds. protest events on the capital grounds. >> Yogan Pitman who went on to get rewarded >> Yogan Pitman who went on to get rewarded >> Yogan Pitman who went on to get rewarded by Nancy Pelosi with a job at the by Nancy Pelosi with a job at the by Nancy Pelosi with a job at the >> Berkeley >> Berkeley >> Berkeley >> University of California at Berkeley. >> University of California at Berkeley. >> University of California at Berkeley. Yeah. Um tells you so much. Uh okay. So, Yeah. Um tells you so much. Uh okay. So, Yeah. Um tells you so much. Uh okay. So, >> but these bombs were or these devices >> but these bombs were or these devices >> but these bombs were or these devices were found right around the time of the were found right around the time of the were found right around the time of the vote. vote. vote. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> And the rest of us thought that it was >> And the rest of us thought that it was >> And the rest of us thought that it was like it was almost like the anthrax like it was almost like the anthrax like it was almost like the anthrax attacks before 9/11. Like we knew, attacks before 9/11. Like we knew, attacks before 9/11. Like we knew, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> or after 911. We knew something terrible >> or after 911. We knew something terrible >> or after 911. We knew something terrible was going on, but there were never any was going on, but there were never any was going on, but there were never any details. details. details. >> Yeah. Well, here's another interesting >> Yeah. Well, here's another interesting >> Yeah. Well, here's another interesting aspect of the timing. So, not only did aspect of the timing. So, not only did aspect of the timing. So, not only did the gavvel drop at one o'clock, those the gavvel drop at one o'clock, those the gavvel drop at one o'clock, those six permits all began at one o'clock. six permits all began at one o'clock. six permits all began at one o'clock. Now, Trump had messed up the schedule Now, Trump had messed up the schedule Now, Trump had messed up the schedule because he arrived at the stage at the because he arrived at the stage at the because he arrived at the stage at the Ellipse an hour late. So, he was Ellipse an hour late. So, he was Ellipse an hour late. So, he was supposed to take the stage and begin his supposed to take the stage and begin his supposed to take the stage and begin his speech, his hourlong speech at 11:00 speech, his hourlong speech at 11:00 speech, his hourlong speech at 11:00 a.m. He did not take the stage until a.m. He did not take the stage until a.m. He did not take the stage until 11:57.

11:57. 11:57. All right. Then, he went over his time. All right. Then, he went over his time. All right. Then, he went over his time. He did not leave the stage till 1:16 He did not leave the stage till 1:16 He did not leave the stage till 1:16 p.m. By then, the first breaches had p.m. By then, the first breaches had p.m. By then, the first breaches had already happened. The first battle lines already happened. The first battle lines already happened. The first battle lines had already been established and the had already been established and the had already been established and the first launching of less than lethals first launching of less than lethals first launching of less than lethals into the crowd were already taking place into the crowd were already taking place into the crowd were already taking place before the president ever left the before the president ever left the before the president ever left the stage. all those early people, including stage. all those early people, including stage. all those early people, including Ray Eps, Ray Eps, Ray Eps, including about um 50 including about um 50 including about um 50 former Marines former Marines former Marines that were on that front line, had that were on that front line, had that were on that front line, had already breached the barricades, had already breached the barricades, had already breached the barricades, had already started taunting and attacking already started taunting and attacking already started taunting and attacking police. police. police. And um And um And um and now you have two calls over the and now you have two calls over the and now you have two calls over the police radio, which we have. We have an police radio, which we have. We have an police radio, which we have. We have an entire uh uh all day of the police radio entire uh uh all day of the police radio entire uh uh all day of the police radio and the calls go out. They need and the calls go out. They need and the calls go out. They need reinforcements at the RNC and the DNC reinforcements at the RNC and the DNC reinforcements at the RNC and the DNC because that's within both of those because that's within both of those because that's within both of those buildings or within the capital police buildings or within the capital police buildings or within the capital police jurisdiction. So they had to divert this jurisdiction. So they had to divert this jurisdiction. So they had to divert this already depleted already depleted already depleted um force um force um force and that's why we know that they were and that's why we know that they were and that's why we know that they were diversionary devices and that was the diversionary devices and that was the diversionary devices and that was the point was to pull law enforcement away.

point was to pull law enforcement away. point was to pull law enforcement away. So at the same time that capital police So at the same time that capital police So at the same time that capital police are going to the other locations. Now are going to the other locations. Now are going to the other locations. Now you have the arrival of metropolitan you have the arrival of metropolitan you have the arrival of metropolitan police are now showing up at the police are now showing up at the police are now showing up at the capital. They're streaming in. They're capital. They're streaming in. They're capital. They're streaming in. They're coming in to kick butt. The fighting coming in to kick butt. The fighting coming in to kick butt. The fighting gets worse and worse and worse. And as I gets worse and worse and worse. And as I gets worse and worse and worse. And as I said, good people on both sides of the said, good people on both sides of the said, good people on both sides of the line, bad people on both sides of the line, bad people on both sides of the line, bad people on both sides of the line. line. line. >> And >> And >> And the uh the next thing that we know, and the uh the next thing that we know, and the uh the next thing that we know, and this is what's really important is in this is what's really important is in this is what's really important is in the aftermath of the devices, is what we the aftermath of the devices, is what we the aftermath of the devices, is what we learned from video. And this is the learned from video. And this is the learned from video. And this is the single most important thing that we single most important thing that we single most important thing that we learned from video. First of all, is we learned from video. First of all, is we learned from video. First of all, is we saw the reaction to the discovery of the saw the reaction to the discovery of the saw the reaction to the discovery of the device at the DNC. Now, we did not see device at the DNC. Now, we did not see device at the DNC. Now, we did not see the reaction because the Capitol police the reaction because the Capitol police the reaction because the Capitol police has never showed us or the FBI has never has never showed us or the FBI has never has never showed us or the FBI has never showed us any video in the alleyway showed us any video in the alleyway showed us any video in the alleyway behind the RNC. No, the device was behind the RNC. No, the device was behind the RNC. No, the device was actually behind the Capitol Hill Club, actually behind the Capitol Hill Club, actually behind the Capitol Hill Club, you know, Republican hangout kind of you know, Republican hangout kind of you know, Republican hangout kind of next door and attached to the RNC. Um, next door and attached to the RNC. Um, next door and attached to the RNC. Um, there's allegedly no camera there, but there's allegedly no camera there, but there's allegedly no camera there, but there is. I'll get to that here in a there is. I'll get to that here in a there is. I'll get to that here in a minute. But at the DNC, minute. But at the DNC, minute. But at the DNC, we see a um Thomas Massie likes to call we see a um Thomas Massie likes to call we see a um Thomas Massie likes to call him uh the the two counter surveillance him uh the the two counter surveillance him uh the the two counter surveillance officers that work for the capital officers that work for the capital officers that work for the capital police. Undercover, plain clothes, police. Undercover, plain clothes, police. Undercover, plain clothes, counter surveillance officers, capital counter surveillance officers, capital counter surveillance officers, capital police, and they work for the intel police, and they work for the intel police, and they work for the intel department of the capital police. One of department of the capital police. One of department of the capital police. One of them Massie calls man bun guy cuz he them Massie calls man bun guy cuz he them Massie calls man bun guy cuz he wearing a man bun and the other one he wearing a man bun and the other one he wearing a man bun and the other one he calls backpack guy. Well, back guy went

calls backpack guy. Well, back guy went calls backpack guy. Well, back guy went to the two SUVs that were guarding the to the two SUVs that were guarding the to the two SUVs that were guarding the parking deck entrance of the DNC. Why parking deck entrance of the DNC. Why parking deck entrance of the DNC. Why were they there? Because then Vice were they there? Because then Vice were they there? Because then Vice President-elect Kla Harris was inside President-elect Kla Harris was inside President-elect Kla Harris was inside the DNC, not where she was supposed to the DNC, not where she was supposed to the DNC, not where she was supposed to be, by the way. She's supposed to be be, by the way. She's supposed to be be, by the way. She's supposed to be over at the capital, which is another over at the capital, which is another over at the capital, which is another very, very strange aspect of this entire very, very strange aspect of this entire very, very strange aspect of this entire story is she's being coronated over at story is she's being coronated over at story is she's being coronated over at the capital and she's a voting senator the capital and she's a voting senator the capital and she's a voting senator and she's not there. H at 1:00 she's and she's not there. H at 1:00 she's and she's not there. H at 1:00 she's inside the DNC. inside the DNC. inside the DNC. So, So, So, the the the Secret Service have swept that building Secret Service have swept that building Secret Service have swept that building already. Human assets, dogs, they've already. Human assets, dogs, they've already. Human assets, dogs, they've swept that entire side. We found on swept that entire side. We found on swept that entire side. We found on video at 8:30 in the morning 8 9 10 video at 8:30 in the morning 8 9 10 video at 8:30 in the morning 8 9 10 Secret Service walking right past where Secret Service walking right past where Secret Service walking right past where the bomb allegedly was found. the bomb allegedly was found. the bomb allegedly was found. That bomb was in the wide open. It could That bomb was in the wide open. It could That bomb was in the wide open. It could not have not been seen. It could not not have not been seen. It could not not have not been seen. It could not have uh not been found by bomb dogs. It have uh not been found by bomb dogs. It have uh not been found by bomb dogs. It could not have not been found by not to could not have not been found by not to could not have not been found by not to mention the pedestrians that were mention the pedestrians that were mention the pedestrians that were walking by it all day long. It's wide walking by it all day long. It's wide walking by it all day long. It's wide open right there. It wasn't hidden open right there. It wasn't hidden open right there. It wasn't hidden behind a bush.

behind a bush. behind a bush. At 105, At 105, At 105, backpack guy, counter surveillance backpack guy, counter surveillance backpack guy, counter surveillance officer with the C capital police goes officer with the C capital police goes officer with the C capital police goes over to the SUVs. He informs the Secret over to the SUVs. He informs the Secret over to the SUVs. He informs the Secret Service agent sitting inside the two Service agent sitting inside the two Service agent sitting inside the two SUVs, um, SUVs, um, SUVs, um, we just found a, you know, bomb, sus we just found a, you know, bomb, sus we just found a, you know, bomb, sus suspicious device. The reaction of the Secret Service The reaction of the Secret Service agents is the most suspicious thing that agents is the most suspicious thing that agents is the most suspicious thing that makes made all of our mind. Uh Darren makes made all of our mind. Uh Darren makes made all of our mind. Uh Darren Bey, uh Mike Benz, anybody else who's Bey, uh Mike Benz, anybody else who's Bey, uh Mike Benz, anybody else who's done any work on the on the pipe bomb done any work on the on the pipe bomb done any work on the on the pipe bomb knows that when you're informed that knows that when you're informed that knows that when you're informed that there's a bomb sitting 10 ft from you, there's a bomb sitting 10 ft from you, there's a bomb sitting 10 ft from you, you don't sit in the SUV and finish your you don't sit in the SUV and finish your you don't sit in the SUV and finish your sandwich for two and a half minutes. sandwich for two and a half minutes. sandwich for two and a half minutes. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. And then when they get out, >> No. And then when they get out, >> No. And then when they get out, they casually walk around. They don't they casually walk around. They don't they casually walk around. They don't stop traffic. Now, there's protocol. stop traffic. Now, there's protocol. stop traffic. Now, there's protocol. Okay, these guys are trained. Every one Okay, these guys are trained. Every one Okay, these guys are trained. Every one of these agencies, bureaus are all of these agencies, bureaus are all of these agencies, bureaus are all trained on what to do when suspicious trained on what to do when suspicious trained on what to do when suspicious devices are found. They have to set up devices are found. They have to set up devices are found. They have to set up um uh perimeters cord on off certain um uh perimeters cord on off certain um uh perimeters cord on off certain amount depending upon the the type of amount depending upon the the type of amount depending upon the the type of device they think it is. It could be 700 device they think it is. It could be 700 device they think it is. It could be 700 ft. It could be 2,000 ft.

ft. It could be 2,000 ft. ft. It could be 2,000 ft. >> Yeah. It's a bomb. >> Yeah. It's a bomb. >> Yeah. It's a bomb. >> It's a bomb. So within a matter of feet, >> It's a bomb. So within a matter of feet, >> It's a bomb. So within a matter of feet, they don't have any concern for their they don't have any concern for their they don't have any concern for their own safety whatsoever. They're allowing own safety whatsoever. They're allowing own safety whatsoever. They're allowing families to continue walking 10 ft past families to continue walking 10 ft past families to continue walking 10 ft past the bomb down the sidewalk. the bomb down the sidewalk. the bomb down the sidewalk. >> Man, and we know for a fact that they >> Man, and we know for a fact that they >> Man, and we know for a fact that they were told it was a bomb. were told it was a bomb. were told it was a bomb. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Well, then >> Okay. Well, then >> Okay. Well, then >> I don't believe that they were told >> I don't believe that they were told >> I don't believe that they were told that, though. This is what this is what that, though. This is what this is what that, though. This is what this is what we've been told. I believed, and I've we've been told. I believed, and I've we've been told. I believed, and I've said this from the very beginning, the said this from the very beginning, the said this from the very beginning, the only thing that explains their reaction only thing that explains their reaction only thing that explains their reaction or lack of reaction thereof was the fact or lack of reaction thereof was the fact or lack of reaction thereof was the fact that they were told by the capital that they were told by the capital that they were told by the capital police guys, hey, look, uh, we're in the police guys, hey, look, uh, we're in the police guys, hey, look, uh, we're in the middle of a training exercise. middle of a training exercise. middle of a training exercise. So, we've got these, you know, devices So, we've got these, you know, devices So, we've got these, you know, devices over here. Um, we're going to have to over here. Um, we're going to have to over here. Um, we're going to have to start the dog and pony show here a start the dog and pony show here a start the dog and pony show here a little bit. The bomb squad's going to little bit. The bomb squad's going to little bit. The bomb squad's going to come out. We're going to have the robot come out. We're going to have the robot come out. We're going to have the robot and all that. Oh, no. No. Go ahead and and all that. Oh, no. No. Go ahead and and all that. Oh, no. No. Go ahead and finish your lunch. That's the only thing finish your lunch. That's the only thing finish your lunch. That's the only thing that explains the reaction. that explains the reaction. that explains the reaction. >> And it's why that Kla Harris, despite >> And it's why that Kla Harris, despite >> And it's why that Kla Harris, despite being there at the time and talking being there at the time and talking being there at the time and talking about January 6 constantly, like it was about January 6 constantly, like it was about January 6 constantly, like it was Pearl Harbor plus 911, never publicly Pearl Harbor plus 911, never publicly Pearl Harbor plus 911, never publicly said a word about the fact she was said a word about the fact she was said a word about the fact she was there. Now, you would think Kla Harris there. Now, you would think Kla Harris there. Now, you would think Kla Harris would be bragging, I survived January, I would be bragging, I survived January, I would be bragging, I survived January, I survived a bombing attempt from the survived a bombing attempt from the survived a bombing attempt from the radical right white right-wing radical right white right-wing radical right white right-wing supremacists or whatever. Instead, it supremacists or whatever. Instead, it supremacists or whatever. Instead, it took a year before Newsweek uh not took a year before Newsweek uh not took a year before Newsweek uh not Newsweek, um Politico revealed that she Newsweek, um Politico revealed that she Newsweek, um Politico revealed that she was even in the building.

was even in the building. was even in the building. >> Right. That's right. >> Right. That's right. >> Right. That's right. >> Entire year. >> Entire year. >> Entire year. >> So, I think we can say based on >> So, I think we can say based on >> So, I think we can say based on everything that you said pretty everything that you said pretty everything that you said pretty confidently, these were not bombs. confidently, these were not bombs. confidently, these were not bombs. >> These were not bombs. >> These were not bombs. >> These were not bombs. >> Right. How'd they get there? >> Right. How'd they get there? >> Right. How'd they get there? This is where we have a real struggle This is where we have a real struggle This is where we have a real struggle because we have the videos of this dark because we have the videos of this dark because we have the videos of this dark figure, this gray, you know, hoodied figure, this gray, you know, hoodied figure, this gray, you know, hoodied figure walking through figure walking through figure walking through that area around the RNC and DNC on the that area around the RNC and DNC on the that area around the RNC and DNC on the night of the 5th. night of the 5th. night of the 5th. >> Both. >> Both. >> Both. >> What's that? >> What's that? >> What's that? >> Both on both sides. >> Both on both sides. >> Both on both sides. Same same individual caught on camera. Same same individual caught on camera. Same same individual caught on camera. multiple multiple cameras all you know multiple multiple cameras all you know multiple multiple cameras all you know they're caught on ring cams caught on they're caught on ring cams caught on they're caught on ring cams caught on the DNC cameras caught on capital CCTV the DNC cameras caught on capital CCTV the DNC cameras caught on capital CCTV cameras um this this figure comes out of cameras um this this figure comes out of cameras um this this figure comes out of nowhere at 7:34 p.m. nowhere at 7:34 p.m. nowhere at 7:34 p.m. Plants both devices and then disappears Plants both devices and then disappears Plants both devices and then disappears through a secret gate by the way at 8:18 through a secret gate by the way at 8:18 through a secret gate by the way at 8:18 p.m. Um p.m. Um p.m. Um >> through a secret gate.

>> through a secret gate. >> through a secret gate. >> Mhm. What is that? in the alleyway >> Mhm. What is that? in the alleyway >> Mhm. What is that? in the alleyway behind the RNC and there's residences be behind the RNC and there's residences be behind the RNC and there's residences be in that alleyway. Yeah. Um in that alleyway. Yeah. Um in that alleyway. Yeah. Um >> uh and businesses and there the the >> uh and businesses and there the the >> uh and businesses and there the the actual alley is called Rumsy Court and actual alley is called Rumsy Court and actual alley is called Rumsy Court and at the opposite end of the long alleyway at the opposite end of the long alleyway at the opposite end of the long alleyway from where the RNC and the Capitol Hill from where the RNC and the Capitol Hill from where the RNC and the Capitol Hill Club are is a Catholic church and Club are is a Catholic church and Club are is a Catholic church and there's a garden on on the other side of there's a garden on on the other side of there's a garden on on the other side of a fence. Well, if you don't know where a fence. Well, if you don't know where a fence. Well, if you don't know where the gate is, because it's a hidden latch the gate is, because it's a hidden latch the gate is, because it's a hidden latch and the the gate, it completely and and the the gate, it completely and and the the gate, it completely and perfectly blends in with the fence. So, perfectly blends in with the fence. So, perfectly blends in with the fence. So, if you're not a resident, you don't know if you're not a resident, you don't know if you're not a resident, you don't know that that gate exists and there's no that that gate exists and there's no that that gate exists and there's no path, there's no footprints or whatever. path, there's no footprints or whatever. path, there's no footprints or whatever. The first time I went through it, there The first time I went through it, there The first time I went through it, there was snow on the ground that I went out was snow on the ground that I went out was snow on the ground that I went out and checked it out myself. So, I only and checked it out myself. So, I only and checked it out myself. So, I only reason I found it is because I could see reason I found it is because I could see reason I found it is because I could see the snow prints where local residents the snow prints where local residents the snow prints where local residents use that as a shortcut. use that as a shortcut. use that as a shortcut. The second time I went out there and The second time I went out there and The second time I went out there and videoed, there's no evidence whatsoever. videoed, there's no evidence whatsoever. videoed, there's no evidence whatsoever. And I I had my camera and you can't see And I I had my camera and you can't see And I I had my camera and you can't see a latch. You can't see a gate of any a latch. You can't see a gate of any a latch. You can't see a gate of any kind. I happen to know where it was cuz kind. I happen to know where it was cuz kind. I happen to know where it was cuz I'd been through it before. And so this I'd been through it before. And so this I'd been through it before. And so this young bomber, which we'll get into, I'm young bomber, which we'll get into, I'm young bomber, which we'll get into, I'm sure, here in a moment. this uh young sure, here in a moment. this uh young sure, here in a moment. this uh young black autistic uh individual who um black autistic uh individual who um black autistic uh individual who um allegedly confessed to the crime told allegedly confessed to the crime told allegedly confessed to the crime told FBI that he mapped out his route for FBI that he mapped out his route for FBI that he mapped out his route for planting the devices by using Google planting the devices by using Google planting the devices by using Google Maps. There's two things that aren't on Maps. There's two things that aren't on Maps. There's two things that aren't on Google Maps though. That secret gate,

Google Maps though. That secret gate, Google Maps though. That secret gate, nor are the blind spots in Capitol nor are the blind spots in Capitol nor are the blind spots in Capitol Police CCTV cameras. Police CCTV cameras. Police CCTV cameras. Hm. Hm. Hm. >> And the person who left these devices >> And the person who left these devices >> And the person who left these devices was clearly aware of where the blind was clearly aware of where the blind was clearly aware of where the blind spots were. And now we know more by spots were. And now we know more by spots were. And now we know more by video. Now, the FBI has only ever video. Now, the FBI has only ever video. Now, the FBI has only ever released about 30 seconds of video of released about 30 seconds of video of released about 30 seconds of video of the bomber and put out a $500,000 reward the bomber and put out a $500,000 reward the bomber and put out a $500,000 reward asking for tips from the public. If you asking for tips from the public. If you asking for tips from the public. If you recognize the way this person walks or recognize the way this person walks or recognize the way this person walks or the way you recognize anything about it, the way you recognize anything about it, the way you recognize anything about it, you know, call this 1-800 number. you know, call this 1-800 number. you know, call this 1-800 number. And um And um And um the interesting thing is is that the FBI the interesting thing is is that the FBI the interesting thing is is that the FBI themselves told the Congress themselves told the Congress themselves told the Congress congressional committee, this was congressional committee, this was congressional committee, this was loudermil and mass report loudermil and mass report loudermil and mass report that they had 30,000 video files of the that they had 30,000 video files of the that they had 30,000 video files of the bomber. That's their that's their bomber. That's their that's their bomber. That's their that's their number, not mine. 30,000 video files. number, not mine. 30,000 video files. number, not mine. 30,000 video files. They have only released about 30 seconds They have only released about 30 seconds They have only released about 30 seconds of video. Because of our access to of video. Because of our access to of video. Because of our access to Capital CCTV, we have about 21 minutes Capital CCTV, we have about 21 minutes Capital CCTV, we have about 21 minutes of the hoodie bomber walking around.

of the hoodie bomber walking around. of the hoodie bomber walking around. It's never been shown to the public. It's never been shown to the public. It's never been shown to the public. >> Where'd you get that? >> Where'd you get that? >> Where'd you get that? >> Of Capital CCTV. >> Of Capital CCTV. >> Of Capital CCTV. >> How do you get access to Capital CCTV? >> How do you get access to Capital CCTV? >> How do you get access to Capital CCTV? >> Well, um, if you remember, you guys were >> Well, um, if you remember, you guys were >> Well, um, if you remember, you guys were first granted access by McCarthy. first granted access by McCarthy. first granted access by McCarthy. >> Um, and then they used a small handful >> Um, and then they used a small handful >> Um, and then they used a small handful of us as guinea pigs to eventually give of us as guinea pigs to eventually give of us as guinea pigs to eventually give universal access. universal access. universal access. >> So, House investigators had it. House >> So, House investigators had it. House >> So, House investigators had it. House Investigators have it. They have they Investigators have it. They have they Investigators have it. They have they have the the the hard drives. Yep. have the the the hard drives. Yep. have the the the hard drives. Yep. >> Uh and then they gave us access. Uh >> Uh and then they gave us access. Uh >> Uh and then they gave us access. Uh myself, uh Julie Kelly, um John Solomon, myself, uh Julie Kelly, um John Solomon, myself, uh Julie Kelly, um John Solomon, uh uh Joe Haniman, uh who was with Epic uh uh Joe Haniman, uh who was with Epic uh uh Joe Haniman, uh who was with Epic Times at the time, now my partner in Times at the time, now my partner in Times at the time, now my partner in this project. Um they um and myself. And this project. Um they um and myself. And this project. Um they um and myself. And so with this access that we got, we so with this access that we got, we so with this access that we got, we harvested, literally harvested this harvested, literally harvested this harvested, literally harvested this amount of footage of the bomber walking amount of footage of the bomber walking amount of footage of the bomber walking around. around. around. And this is where it really And this is where it really And this is where it really comes home to the capital police is on comes home to the capital police is on comes home to the capital police is on the evening that the gray hooded figure the evening that the gray hooded figure the evening that the gray hooded figure was planting the devices. This was planting the devices. This was planting the devices. This individual only sat down in two places individual only sat down in two places individual only sat down in two places during the stroll during that 7:34 to during the stroll during that 7:34 to during the stroll during that 7:34 to 8:18 period. The first place that the 8:18 period. The first place that the 8:18 period. The first place that the hooded bomber sat down at was the DNC hooded bomber sat down at was the DNC hooded bomber sat down at was the DNC bench bench bench then but did not place the bomb the then but did not place the bomb the then but did not place the bomb the first time that this individual sat

first time that this individual sat first time that this individual sat down. got up, left, went around the down. got up, left, went around the down. got up, left, went around the block, and went to the Congressional block, and went to the Congressional block, and went to the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and sat down at a Black Caucus Institute and sat down at a Black Caucus Institute and sat down at a bush bush bush outside the Congressional Black Caucus, outside the Congressional Black Caucus, outside the Congressional Black Caucus, reached into the backpack, pulled out a reached into the backpack, pulled out a reached into the backpack, pulled out a device, and slid it under the bush, device, and slid it under the bush, device, and slid it under the bush, then then then changed their mind, reached, grabbed it changed their mind, reached, grabbed it changed their mind, reached, grabbed it back, and put it back into the pouch or back, and put it back into the pouch or back, and put it back into the pouch or the backpack. stood up, went down a back the backpack. stood up, went down a back the backpack. stood up, went down a back alleyway back to the DNC, and then alleyway back to the DNC, and then alleyway back to the DNC, and then planted the bomb at the DNC. You can see planted the bomb at the DNC. You can see planted the bomb at the DNC. You can see the hooded figure on camera reach in, the hooded figure on camera reach in, the hooded figure on camera reach in, pull the device out of the bag, and then pull the device out of the bag, and then pull the device out of the bag, and then lay it over behind the bench and the lay it over behind the bench and the lay it over behind the bench and the mulch there. mulch there. mulch there. One problem with that scene right there One problem with that scene right there One problem with that scene right there is the FBI says that is the FBI says that is the FBI says that Brian Cole Jr., who they arrested for Brian Cole Jr., who they arrested for Brian Cole Jr., who they arrested for being the bomber said that that was when being the bomber said that that was when being the bomber said that that was when he set the timer on, you know, the egg he set the timer on, you know, the egg he set the timer on, you know, the egg timer, kitchen timer, timer, kitchen timer, timer, kitchen timer, except on video he doesn't set the except on video he doesn't set the except on video he doesn't set the timer. One hand in, one hand out, never timer. One hand in, one hand out, never timer. One hand in, one hand out, never stops to set the timer and sets it down.

stops to set the timer and sets it down. stops to set the timer and sets it down. FBI is clearly wrong. And if the kid FBI is clearly wrong. And if the kid FBI is clearly wrong. And if the kid really gave that in his confession, he really gave that in his confession, he really gave that in his confession, he was clearly lying in his confession was clearly lying in his confession was clearly lying in his confession >> or delusional >> or delusional >> or delusional >> or delusional or the fact that autistic >> or delusional or the fact that autistic >> or delusional or the fact that autistic individuals give the highest percentage individuals give the highest percentage individuals give the highest percentage of false confessions to law enforcement of false confessions to law enforcement of false confessions to law enforcement of any other demographic. >> So >> So he wasn't charged, however, when you he wasn't charged, however, when you he wasn't charged, however, when you first started looking into the story, first started looking into the story, first started looking into the story, Brian Cole. Brian Cole. Brian Cole. >> No. And this is this is where the the >> No. And this is this is where the the >> No. And this is this is where the the problem comes in. Let me go back to the problem comes in. Let me go back to the problem comes in. Let me go back to the sitting down at the two locations. So sitting down at the two locations. So sitting down at the two locations. So the next day on the 6th, the first the next day on the 6th, the first the next day on the 6th, the first device is found at the RNC alerted by a device is found at the RNC alerted by a device is found at the RNC alerted by a lady uh by the name of Carlin Younger. lady uh by the name of Carlin Younger. lady uh by the name of Carlin Younger. And the first device is found at 25 And the first device is found at 25 And the first device is found at 25 minutes before 1:00. And then the minutes before 1:00. And then the minutes before 1:00. And then the Capitol police send out over their Capitol police send out over their Capitol police send out over their radio. They deploy their own counter and radio. They deploy their own counter and radio. They deploy their own counter and surveillance teams, three of them, two surveillance teams, three of them, two surveillance teams, three of them, two men each, to go out and look for other men each, to go out and look for other men each, to go out and look for other devices. this one counter surveillance devices. this one counter surveillance devices. this one counter surveillance team where man bun guy and backpack guy team where man bun guy and backpack guy team where man bun guy and backpack guy they we find their car. My team, my guys they we find their car. My team, my guys they we find their car. My team, my guys on my investigative team find their car.

on my investigative team find their car. on my investigative team find their car. We follow their car through the city and We follow their car through the city and We follow their car through the city and it arrives at the Metro South parking it arrives at the Metro South parking it arrives at the Metro South parking lot right across the street from the lot right across the street from the lot right across the street from the RNC. They get out of their car, put RNC. They get out of their car, put RNC. They get out of their car, put their backpacks and their jackets on. their backpacks and their jackets on. their backpacks and their jackets on. They walk and they beat. Now they're They walk and they beat. Now they're They walk and they beat. Now they're deployed to look for devices, right? deployed to look for devices, right? deployed to look for devices, right? This is their job. Our job is to look This is their job. Our job is to look This is their job. Our job is to look for devices. They spend their entire for devices. They spend their entire for devices. They spend their entire stroll from Metro South over to stroll from Metro South over to stroll from Metro South over to not the DNC. They go to Congressional not the DNC. They go to Congressional not the DNC. They go to Congressional Black Caucus Institute and walk right up Black Caucus Institute and walk right up Black Caucus Institute and walk right up to the bush, to the bush, to the bush, do this, look under the bush. 2 minutes do this, look under the bush. 2 minutes do this, look under the bush. 2 minutes later, they then find find the bomb at later, they then find find the bomb at later, they then find find the bomb at the DNC. the DNC. the DNC. The only two places that the hoodied The only two places that the hoodied The only two places that the hoodied individuals sat down the night before is individuals sat down the night before is individuals sat down the night before is the only two places they actually looked the only two places they actually looked the only two places they actually looked in their stroll while they were looking in their stroll while they were looking in their stroll while they were looking for devices. They didn't look under for devices. They didn't look under for devices. They didn't look under garbage cans, under cars. They didn't garbage cans, under cars. They didn't garbage cans, under cars. They didn't look under other bushes. They looked look under other bushes. They looked look under other bushes. They looked nowhere else. Tucker, nowhere else. Tucker, nowhere else. Tucker, >> this was a capital police operation.

>> this was a capital police operation. >> this was a capital police operation. >> Do we know the identities of man bun and >> Do we know the identities of man bun and >> Do we know the identities of man bun and backpack? backpack? backpack? >> Yes, they have been interviewed by the >> Yes, they have been interviewed by the >> Yes, they have been interviewed by the committee. Uh in fact uh uh committee. Uh in fact uh uh committee. Uh in fact uh uh Representative Massie actually Representative Massie actually Representative Massie actually interviewed a man bun guy himself. Uh interviewed a man bun guy himself. Uh interviewed a man bun guy himself. Uh they have been interviewed and the they have been interviewed and the they have been interviewed and the congressional investigators say that congressional investigators say that congressional investigators say that it's the most um pre-planned and it's the most um pre-planned and it's the most um pre-planned and rehearsed interview they've ever rehearsed interview they've ever rehearsed interview they've ever witnessed in their life. And by the way, witnessed in their life. And by the way, witnessed in their life. And by the way, they could only get permission to they could only get permission to they could only get permission to interview them if they were not under interview them if they were not under interview them if they were not under oath and they had to be interviewed oath and they had to be interviewed oath and they had to be interviewed together, which you never do in an together, which you never do in an together, which you never do in an investigation. investigation. investigation. >> They were not under oath. >> They were not under oath. >> They were not under oath. >> Nope. They were not under oath and it >> Nope. They were not under oath and it >> Nope. They were not under oath and it was not a Why would a law enforcement was not a Why would a law enforcement was not a Why would a law enforcement officer officer officer >> refuse to testify under oath? >> refuse to testify under oath? >> refuse to testify under oath? >> Because this was capital police. Capital >> Because this was capital police. Capital >> Because this was capital police. Capital police is different. police is different. police is different. >> Why? Why would house investigators >> Why? Why would house investigators >> Why? Why would house investigators settle for that? settle for that? settle for that? >> How about because uh Johnson and Jordan >> How about because uh Johnson and Jordan >> How about because uh Johnson and Jordan uh restricted the committee from uh restricted the committee from uh restricted the committee from investigating the capital police. investigating the capital police. investigating the capital police. >> Now, why would they do that? >> Now, why would they do that? >> Now, why would they do that? [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> The Ptorian Guard. >> The Ptorian Guard. >> The Ptorian Guard. >> Yeah. So if you're the C, just to be >> Yeah. So if you're the C, just to be >> Yeah. So if you're the C, just to be clear, I mean, and if you doubt this, clear, I mean, and if you doubt this, clear, I mean, and if you doubt this, you can go back into the clips and look you can go back into the clips and look you can go back into the clips and look at every sex scandal or dewise scandal at every sex scandal or dewise scandal at every sex scandal or dewise scandal on Capitol Hill. It's always the capital on Capitol Hill. It's always the capital on Capitol Hill. It's always the capital police police police >> who are involved in it. And tons of >> who are involved in it. And tons of >> who are involved in it. And tons of people on the hill have drinking or drug people on the hill have drinking or drug people on the hill have drinking or drug problems. There's a lot of problems. There's a lot of problems. There's a lot of >> crazy [clears throat] sexreated behavior >> crazy [clears throat] sexreated behavior >> crazy [clears throat] sexreated behavior and other things. And the capital police and other things. And the capital police and other things. And the capital police know all that.

know all that. know all that. >> Yes, they am I being a conspiracy nut >> Yes, they am I being a conspiracy nut >> Yes, they am I being a conspiracy nut here or is this here or is this here or is this >> No. No. As a matter of fact, the first >> No. No. As a matter of fact, the first >> No. No. As a matter of fact, the first time I ever met Tar Johnson, it's one time I ever met Tar Johnson, it's one time I ever met Tar Johnson, it's one one of the reason why I gave your your one of the reason why I gave your your one of the reason why I gave your your team his story. team his story. team his story. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> was he looked at me the very first time >> was he looked at me the very first time >> was he looked at me the very first time I met with him was in uh 22 sometime I met with him was in uh 22 sometime I met with him was in uh 22 sometime >> and he said, "Steve, you have no idea >> and he said, "Steve, you have no idea >> and he said, "Steve, you have no idea how powerful the capital police are." how powerful the capital police are." how powerful the capital police are." >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> And I'm thinking Keystone cops, >> And I'm thinking Keystone cops, >> And I'm thinking Keystone cops, glorified mall cops, glorified mall cops, glorified mall cops, >> of course. >> of course. >> of course. >> No way. you know, dignitary protection >> No way. you know, dignitary protection >> No way. you know, dignitary protection detail and the intel department are not detail and the intel department are not detail and the intel department are not the keystone cops. the keystone cops. the keystone cops. Yeah, this is the CIA. And as a result of that cooperation with And as a result of that cooperation with the agency, the agency, the agency, they know where all the bodies are they know where all the bodies are they know where all the bodies are buried. They know where the skeletons in buried. They know where the skeletons in buried. They know where the skeletons in the closets are. everything that you the closets are. everything that you the closets are. everything that you just talked about a moment ago. This is just talked about a moment ago. This is just talked about a moment ago. This is what they have privileged knowledge to what they have privileged knowledge to what they have privileged knowledge to and this is how they affect legislation and this is how they affect legislation and this is how they affect legislation on Capitol Hill. This is how they affect on Capitol Hill. This is how they affect on Capitol Hill. This is how they affect who the leadership is going to be.

who the leadership is going to be. who the leadership is going to be. That's how the leadership disappoints us That's how the leadership disappoints us That's how the leadership disappoints us so gravely every time we get our guy in so gravely every time we get our guy in so gravely every time we get our guy in and he suddenly is no longer our guy. and he suddenly is no longer our guy. and he suddenly is no longer our guy. >> So you think that the capital police are >> So you think that the capital police are >> So you think that the capital police are like a vector of control? like a vector of control? like a vector of control? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. I I would not be surprised by that >> Yeah. I I would not be surprised by that >> Yeah. I I would not be surprised by that at all. at all. at all. um at all. And of course, they're um at all. And of course, they're um at all. And of course, they're controlled by the speaker of the house. controlled by the speaker of the house. controlled by the speaker of the house. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, it's an inherently political >> So, it's an inherently political >> So, it's an inherently political operation. So, Laddermilk um operation. So, Laddermilk um operation. So, Laddermilk um Congressman Laddermilk, who was chairman Congressman Laddermilk, who was chairman Congressman Laddermilk, who was chairman of the last two January 6th of the last two January 6th of the last two January 6th investigative committees. The first one, investigative committees. The first one, investigative committees. The first one, his subcommittee was under House his subcommittee was under House his subcommittee was under House Administration. The new one is a Administration. The new one is a Administration. The new one is a subcommittee under um Judiciary subcommittee under um Judiciary subcommittee under um Judiciary Committee chaired by Jordan. Loudermilk Committee chaired by Jordan. Loudermilk Committee chaired by Jordan. Loudermilk is the chairman of the subcommittee. In is the chairman of the subcommittee. In is the chairman of the subcommittee. In order for him to even get this order for him to even get this order for him to even get this committee, committee, committee, and how do I know this is because he and how do I know this is because he and how do I know this is because he told me himself to my face. The only way told me himself to my face. The only way told me himself to my face. The only way he was able to continue his he was able to continue his he was able to continue his investigation into matters related to investigation into matters related to investigation into matters related to January 6 is he had to agree not to January 6 is he had to agree not to January 6 is he had to agree not to investigate the capital police. To which investigate the capital police. To which investigate the capital police. To which my response was, you can't investigate my response was, you can't investigate my response was, you can't investigate January 6 without investigating the January 6 without investigating the January 6 without investigating the capital police. Why would you ever allow capital police. Why would you ever allow capital police. Why would you ever allow I mean any investigation that begins I mean any investigation that begins I mean any investigation that begins with parameters like that it's like with parameters like that it's like with parameters like that it's like Jeffrey Ebstein search warrants that's Jeffrey Ebstein search warrants that's Jeffrey Ebstein search warrants that's like designed to obscure rather than like designed to obscure rather than like designed to obscure rather than illuminate the truth.

illuminate the truth. illuminate the truth. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> They thought they thought that they >> They thought they thought that they >> They thought they thought that they would eventually have the ability to would eventually have the ability to would eventually have the ability to circumvent some of that. And they did circumvent some of that. And they did circumvent some of that. And they did get the interview with the two counter get the interview with the two counter get the interview with the two counter surveillance. I know their names. I've surveillance. I know their names. I've surveillance. I know their names. I've never released their names publicly but never released their names publicly but never released their names publicly but I I know who do you think? I I know who do you think? I I know who do you think? >> Uh yes. In fact, uh, backpack guy is now >> Uh yes. In fact, uh, backpack guy is now >> Uh yes. In fact, uh, backpack guy is now the, the, the, you're not going to believe this. He's you're not going to believe this. He's you're not going to believe this. He's now the capital police liaison to the now the capital police liaison to the now the capital police liaison to the FBI. FBI. FBI. >> Well, that doesn't surprise me at all. I >> Well, that doesn't surprise me at all. I >> Well, that doesn't surprise me at all. I kid you not. kid you not. kid you not. >> Doesn't surprise me at all. If you look >> Doesn't surprise me at all. If you look >> Doesn't surprise me at all. If you look into the work histories of people with into the work histories of people with into the work histories of people with big jobs in DC, big jobs in DC, big jobs in DC, >> it's very very common to c come across >> it's very very common to c come across >> it's very very common to c come across something like that. You know, I mean, something like that. You know, I mean, something like that. You know, I mean, he'll probably be the director of the he'll probably be the director of the he'll probably be the director of the FBI someday, FBI someday, FBI someday, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> so there's two things that we know. We >> so there's two things that we know. We >> so there's two things that we know. We know that the bomber had intimate know that the bomber had intimate know that the bomber had intimate knowledge that only Capitol police could knowledge that only Capitol police could knowledge that only Capitol police could know. The hidden gate, the um uh under know. The hidden gate, the um uh under know. The hidden gate, the um uh under se several reasons why the knowledge of se several reasons why the knowledge of se several reasons why the knowledge of where the blind spots were in the where the blind spots were in the where the blind spots were in the cameras is very important to this story. cameras is very important to this story. cameras is very important to this story. Not the least of which is that the Not the least of which is that the Not the least of which is that the bomber only carried one bomb at a time bomber only carried one bomb at a time bomber only carried one bomb at a time and reloaded the backpack in a blind and reloaded the backpack in a blind and reloaded the backpack in a blind spot over at Fulier Park knowing that spot over at Fulier Park knowing that spot over at Fulier Park knowing that there was no and that's where the bomber there was no and that's where the bomber there was no and that's where the bomber either parked their car or their either parked their car or their either parked their car or their accomplice was waiting for them there accomplice was waiting for them there accomplice was waiting for them there who would have access to the blind spots who would have access to the blind spots who would have access to the blind spots only some only some only some >> only the capital police >> only the capital police >> only the capital police >> right >> right >> right >> only >> only >> only we know that there was when the bomber we know that there was when the bomber we know that there was when the bomber entered the m there's a famous there's a entered the m there's a famous there's a entered the m there's a famous there's a famous video of the bomber apparently

famous video of the bomber apparently famous video of the bomber apparently waving at a cop car and right in front waving at a cop car and right in front waving at a cop car and right in front of the uh Capitol Hill Club as as a as a of the uh Capitol Hill Club as as a as a of the uh Capitol Hill Club as as a as a um uh uh marked Capitol Police car comes um uh uh marked Capitol Police car comes um uh uh marked Capitol Police car comes by. The the bomber apparently waves at by. The the bomber apparently waves at by. The the bomber apparently waves at the car, then walks around the corner, the car, then walks around the corner, the car, then walks around the corner, two Capitol Police cars pull up with two Capitol Police cars pull up with two Capitol Police cars pull up with their headlights on and create a blind their headlights on and create a blind their headlights on and create a blind they they blitz out the cameras that are they they blitz out the cameras that are they they blitz out the cameras that are faced down the street. faced down the street. faced down the street. It completely obscures. And it was at It completely obscures. And it was at It completely obscures. And it was at that moment that the bomber ducked down that moment that the bomber ducked down that moment that the bomber ducked down into Ramsey Court was when the two into Ramsey Court was when the two into Ramsey Court was when the two secret blinded those cameras. secret blinded those cameras. secret blinded those cameras. So, who was that person? We want to go there. We want to go there. Yeah. I mean, you're being sued for Yeah. I mean, you're being sued for Yeah. I mean, you're being sued for saying this, so I just want to be saying this, so I just want to be saying this, so I just want to be completely clear. I have no clue. I'm completely clear. I have no clue. I'm completely clear. I have no clue. I'm not endorsing your position at all. not endorsing your position at all. not endorsing your position at all. you're being sued by one of the, you're being sued by one of the, you're being sued by one of the, you know, one of the worst lawyer, in my you know, one of the worst lawyer, in my you know, one of the worst lawyer, in my opinion, the worst lawyer I've ever opinion, the worst lawyer I've ever opinion, the worst lawyer I've ever dealt with in my life. So, which I hope dealt with in my life. So, which I hope dealt with in my life. So, which I hope we can get into. Um, we can get into. Um, we can get into. Um, so, you know, I I have no idea if what so, you know, I I have no idea if what so, you know, I I have no idea if what you're saying is true. I'm not imputing you're saying is true. I'm not imputing you're saying is true. I'm not imputing the character of anybody. I I'm sure the character of anybody. I I'm sure the character of anybody. I I'm sure there's another side to it, but I'm there's another side to it, but I'm there's another side to it, but I'm interested in the story, and this will interested in the story, and this will interested in the story, and this will presumably come out in trial if your presumably come out in trial if your presumably come out in trial if your case goes to trial. So, case goes to trial. So, case goes to trial. So, >> um, [laughter] >> um, [laughter] >> um, [laughter] well, just tell us about your reporting.

well, just tell us about your reporting. well, just tell us about your reporting. like how did you go about figuring out like how did you go about figuring out like how did you go about figuring out who this person was? who this person was? who this person was? >> Exactly. Look, in in our reporting about >> Exactly. Look, in in our reporting about >> Exactly. Look, in in our reporting about January 6, I I've not just obsessed for January 6, I I've not just obsessed for January 6, I I've not just obsessed for 5 and a half years over the pipe bomb, 5 and a half years over the pipe bomb, 5 and a half years over the pipe bomb, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> I've been on the pipe bomb and then been >> I've been on the pipe bomb and then been >> I've been on the pipe bomb and then been off the pipe bomb. And off the pipe bomb. And off the pipe bomb. And >> it is in some ways the most interesting >> it is in some ways the most interesting >> it is in some ways the most interesting story cuz like the US government tells story cuz like the US government tells story cuz like the US government tells us there was a simultaneous bombing of us there was a simultaneous bombing of us there was a simultaneous bombing of the two party headquarters and it was the two party headquarters and it was the two party headquarters and it was like super dangerous and it was an act like super dangerous and it was an act like super dangerous and it was an act of terror and then they never mention it of terror and then they never mention it of terror and then they never mention it again or release any relevant again or release any relevant again or release any relevant information. So I mean for 4 years I've information. So I mean for 4 years I've information. So I mean for 4 years I've been wondering and that's why we're been wondering and that's why we're been wondering and that's why we're having this conversation. So I'm just having this conversation. So I'm just having this conversation. So I'm just interested how did you go about trying interested how did you go about trying interested how did you go about trying to ascertain the identity of this to ascertain the identity of this to ascertain the identity of this person? person? person? >> So so this is what was happen happening >> So so this is what was happen happening >> So so this is what was happen happening at the time is that going back to the at the time is that going back to the at the time is that going back to the initial part of our conversation where I initial part of our conversation where I initial part of our conversation where I learned that there were elements of our learned that there were elements of our learned that there were elements of our department of defense department of war department of defense department of war department of defense department of war now in the crowd not knowing what their now in the crowd not knowing what their now in the crowd not knowing what their reasons for being in the crowd were. I reasons for being in the crowd were. I reasons for being in the crowd were. I have no idea. But I was very curious why have no idea. But I was very curious why have no idea. But I was very curious why in a very small area of the capital on in a very small area of the capital on in a very small area of the capital on the west side three people died of heart the west side three people died of heart the west side three people died of heart attacks. attacks. attacks. So you had two gentlemen early on, one So you had two gentlemen early on, one So you had two gentlemen early on, one before the first less lethal was ever before the first less lethal was ever before the first less lethal was ever fired. One that a lot of people have fired. One that a lot of people have fired. One that a lot of people have claimed were murdered by Capitol police claimed were murdered by Capitol police claimed were murdered by Capitol police and was hit. They say he was hit by a and was hit. They say he was hit by a and was hit. They say he was hit by a less than lethal. No, he wasn't. We've less than lethal. No, he wasn't. We've less than lethal. No, he wasn't. We've seen the video from every angle. He was seen the video from every angle. He was seen the video from every angle. He was never struck by a less than lethal never struck by a less than lethal never struck by a less than lethal device or launcher.

device or launcher. device or launcher. >> And then the third one was Roseanne >> And then the third one was Roseanne >> And then the third one was Roseanne Boland right near the uh the tunnel. Boland right near the uh the tunnel. Boland right near the uh the tunnel. Three people dying of heart attacks Three people dying of heart attacks Three people dying of heart attacks within 50 yards of each other at any within 50 yards of each other at any within 50 yards of each other at any event ever in the history of the world event ever in the history of the world event ever in the history of the world has never happened. has never happened. has never happened. So I'm very curious about this. So I'm very curious about this. So I'm very curious about this. I know that that particular element or I know that that particular element or I know that that particular element or unit of our armed forces has a weapon. unit of our armed forces has a weapon. unit of our armed forces has a weapon. It's called an [clears throat] agitation It's called an [clears throat] agitation It's called an [clears throat] agitation weapon. It is a directed energy weapon. weapon. It is a directed energy weapon. weapon. It is a directed energy weapon. Backpack size. We just learned a lot Backpack size. We just learned a lot Backpack size. We just learned a lot about that from the invasion down in about that from the invasion down in about that from the invasion down in Venezuela, the discombobulator that the Venezuela, the discombobulator that the Venezuela, the discombobulator that the uh president uh called it, the uh president uh called it, the uh president uh called it, the discombobulator weapon. So I started discombobulator weapon. So I started discombobulator weapon. So I started investigating investigating investigating the source, the use, who in our the source, the use, who in our the source, the use, who in our government has the agitation weapon and government has the agitation weapon and government has the agitation weapon and what its uses were. I learned that one what its uses were. I learned that one what its uses were. I learned that one of its uses was it can make people go of its uses was it can make people go of its uses was it can make people go nuts in a crowd in a color revolution.

nuts in a crowd in a color revolution. nuts in a crowd in a color revolution. going in what way? going in what way? going in what way? >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, a three-star general retired from SOCOM a three-star general retired from SOCOM a three-star general retired from SOCOM that I interviewed that I interviewed that I interviewed >> Special Operations Command, >> Special Operations Command, >> Special Operations Command, >> correct? Told me, >> correct? Told me, >> correct? Told me, yes, that weapon exists, yes, that weapon exists, yes, that weapon exists, and I quote, and I quote, and I quote, "With it, we can stop your heart. We can "With it, we can stop your heart. We can "With it, we can stop your heart. We can make you your pants." make you your pants." make you your pants." But I wouldn't need that weapon to start But I wouldn't need that weapon to start But I wouldn't need that weapon to start January 6. I would just need four or January 6. I would just need four or January 6. I would just need four or five of my best men. That's exact quote. I interviewed members of that unit about I interviewed members of that unit about the weapon. I have interviewed former the weapon. I have interviewed former the weapon. I have interviewed former Secretary of the Army about the weapon. Secretary of the Army about the weapon. Secretary of the Army about the weapon. All have verified its existence and its All have verified its existence and its All have verified its existence and its quote unquote prolific use within our SP quote unquote prolific use within our SP quote unquote prolific use within our SP special operators community. special operators community. special operators community. And And And I started looking for backpacks in the I started looking for backpacks in the I started looking for backpacks in the crab. [snorts] crab. [snorts] crab. [snorts] I know what the shape is. I know what I know what the shape is. I know what I know what the shape is. I know what the design is. I've interviewed two the design is. I've interviewed two the design is. I've interviewed two people that have participated in the people that have participated in the people that have participated in the design of that weapon.

design of that weapon. design of that weapon. One of them's a doctor. The one is a One of them's a doctor. The one is a One of them's a doctor. The one is a special operator who special operator who special operator who essentially assisted DARPA in the design essentially assisted DARPA in the design essentially assisted DARPA in the design of the the how to how to make it field of the the how to how to make it field of the the how to how to make it field worthy out in the in in the field. And worthy out in the in in the field. And worthy out in the in in the field. And um um um so I started looking for it in the so I started looking for it in the so I started looking for it in the crowd. Me and my team, we're we're crowd. Me and my team, we're we're crowd. Me and my team, we're we're looking at backpacks everywhere. Well, looking at backpacks everywhere. Well, looking at backpacks everywhere. Well, one of the most interesting backpacks one of the most interesting backpacks one of the most interesting backpacks that day was worn by a small handful of that day was worn by a small handful of that day was worn by a small handful of Capitol police officers that were up on Capitol police officers that were up on Capitol police officers that were up on the upper terrace that early early early the upper terrace that early early early the upper terrace that early early early on before the crowd had gotten violent on before the crowd had gotten violent on before the crowd had gotten violent started launching less lethals into the started launching less lethals into the started launching less lethals into the crowd. and they were wearing so they've crowd. and they were wearing so they've crowd. and they were wearing so they've got they've got their um their black got they've got their um their black got they've got their um their black uniforms on but they've got military uniforms on but they've got military uniforms on but they've got military colored backpacks on. So we start colored backpacks on. So we start colored backpacks on. So we start zooming in on them in the cameras zooming in on them in the cameras zooming in on them in the cameras and we got totally distracted about the and we got totally distracted about the and we got totally distracted about the looking for dis uh a directed energy looking for dis uh a directed energy looking for dis uh a directed energy weapon because what we found was is that weapon because what we found was is that weapon because what we found was is that this team of less lethal officers were this team of less lethal officers were this team of less lethal officers were illegally firing into the crowd. They illegally firing into the crowd. They illegally firing into the crowd. They were firing their weapons against were firing their weapons against were firing their weapons against policy, against the law, against their policy, against the law, against their policy, against the law, against their own training. In fact, some of them were own training. In fact, some of them were own training. In fact, some of them were training officers in in the use of less training officers in in the use of less training officers in in the use of less lethal and they were using them in lethal and they were using them in lethal and they were using them in what's called a criminally negligent what's called a criminally negligent what's called a criminally negligent manner, shooting people in the head, in manner, shooting people in the head, in manner, shooting people in the head, in the crowd, in the face. They were the crowd, in the face. They were the crowd, in the face. They were shooting their own officers in the back shooting their own officers in the back shooting their own officers in the back of their helmets on the front line. You of their helmets on the front line. You of their helmets on the front line. You could see the you could see the pepper could see the you could see the pepper could see the you could see the pepper pellets go explode off the back of their

pellets go explode off the back of their pellets go explode off the back of their helmets. helmets. helmets. So, we decided to do a story on the use So, we decided to do a story on the use So, we decided to do a story on the use of less lethal, got distracted from the of less lethal, got distracted from the of less lethal, got distracted from the the directed energy weapon story and the directed energy weapon story and the directed energy weapon story and because we now we found all this fresh because we now we found all this fresh because we now we found all this fresh video, you know, and so we needed to video, you know, and so we needed to video, you know, and so we needed to identify these officers. So, we're going identify these officers. So, we're going identify these officers. So, we're going down the line, we identify one, two, down the line, we identify one, two, down the line, we identify one, two, three, four, and then there was one three, four, and then there was one three, four, and then there was one officer we couldn't identify. To be officer we couldn't identify. To be officer we couldn't identify. To be honest with you, we didn't know if it honest with you, we didn't know if it honest with you, we didn't know if it was a male or a female, but this officer was a male or a female, but this officer was a male or a female, but this officer was firing the pepper ball gun that was was firing the pepper ball gun that was was firing the pepper ball gun that was hitting people in the head. hitting people in the head. hitting people in the head. It's a point blank range, by the way. It's a point blank range, by the way. It's a point blank range, by the way. Very close on. These were not misfires. Very close on. These were not misfires. Very close on. These were not misfires. And And And I have a source. One of my earliest I have a source. One of my earliest I have a source. One of my earliest sources at the capital police on January sources at the capital police on January sources at the capital police on January 6th investigation was a CDU officer, 6th investigation was a CDU officer, 6th investigation was a CDU officer, civil disturbance unit of the Capitol civil disturbance unit of the Capitol civil disturbance unit of the Capitol Police. And the less lethal team is part Police. And the less lethal team is part Police. And the less lethal team is part of CDU. So I called my source and I then of CDU. So I called my source and I then of CDU. So I called my source and I then sent him a photograph still shot of this sent him a photograph still shot of this sent him a photograph still shot of this officer and he immediately went, "Oh officer and he immediately went, "Oh officer and he immediately went, "Oh yeah, that's uh Shaunie Kirkoff." I yeah, that's uh Shaunie Kirkoff." I yeah, that's uh Shaunie Kirkoff." I said, "Well, who's Shawnie Kirkoff?" He said, "Well, who's Shawnie Kirkoff?" He said, "Well, who's Shawnie Kirkoff?" He said, "Oh, she great cop. Uh he said it said, "Oh, she great cop. Uh he said it said, "Oh, she great cop. Uh he said it was kind her she was uh you know uh was kind her she was uh you know uh was kind her she was uh you know uh always a good hang. She was fun to be always a good hang. She was fun to be always a good hang. She was fun to be around. Um she was a good friend, but it around. Um she was a good friend, but it around. Um she was a good friend, but it was kind of weird." He said when she was kind of weird." He said when she was kind of weird." He said when she left left left um she left the Capitol police about 6 um she left the Capitol police about 6 um she left the Capitol police about 6 months after January 6th and when she months after January 6th and when she months after January 6th and when she left she wiped her social media out. She left she wiped her social media out. She left she wiped her social media out. She changed her phone numbers and her email changed her phone numbers and her email changed her phone numbers and her email and we we all lost contact with her. We and we we all lost contact with her. We and we we all lost contact with her. We were friends. We lost contact with her.

were friends. We lost contact with her. were friends. We lost contact with her. And he said we heard that she might have And he said we heard that she might have And he said we heard that she might have went to one of the three-letter agencies went to one of the three-letter agencies went to one of the three-letter agencies or you said maybe it was defense or you said maybe it was defense or you said maybe it was defense intelligence or something. But anyway, intelligence or something. But anyway, intelligence or something. But anyway, that's that's what we heard. And I went, that's that's what we heard. And I went, that's that's what we heard. And I went, "Oh, okay. So now I have a name, right?" "Oh, okay. So now I have a name, right?" "Oh, okay. So now I have a name, right?" And so I start looking for this name. And so I start looking for this name. And so I start looking for this name. Turns out Miss Kirkoff was the first Turns out Miss Kirkoff was the first Turns out Miss Kirkoff was the first person to ever testify in the very first person to ever testify in the very first person to ever testify in the very first January 6th trial, the trial of Guy January 6th trial, the trial of Guy January 6th trial, the trial of Guy Refett in the summer of 22. She's the Refett in the summer of 22. She's the Refett in the summer of 22. She's the first person to testify in the very first person to testify in the very first person to testify in the very first trial. And she testifies as a less first trial. And she testifies as a less first trial. And she testifies as a less lethal officer who fired at this lethal officer who fired at this lethal officer who fired at this individual that was being that was on individual that was being that was on individual that was being that was on trial at that time. And this is what she trial at that time. And this is what she trial at that time. And this is what she said and this is what happened in the said and this is what happened in the said and this is what happened in the transcripts. The first thing before she transcripts. The first thing before she transcripts. The first thing before she faced direct examination from the faced direct examination from the faced direct examination from the government is the judge went to a government is the judge went to a government is the judge went to a sidebar and told the uh both of the sidebar and told the uh both of the sidebar and told the uh both of the attorneys attorneys attorneys said now you know that there's some said now you know that there's some said now you know that there's some under seal aspects about this first under seal aspects about this first under seal aspects about this first witness. Yes, your honor. Yes. Be witness. Yes, your honor. Yes. Be witness. Yes, your honor. Yes. Be careful when you're questioning.

careful when you're questioning. careful when you're questioning. Oh, I thought okay. I thought that was Oh, I thought okay. I thought that was Oh, I thought okay. I thought that was interesting. And so then direct interesting. And so then direct interesting. And so then direct examination starts and the prosecution examination starts and the prosecution examination starts and the prosecution asks her her name, spell your name, go asks her her name, spell your name, go asks her her name, spell your name, go through the whole process that they through the whole process that they through the whole process that they typically do. And one of his first typically do. And one of his first typically do. And one of his first questions was, of course, you know, questions was, of course, you know, questions was, of course, you know, where are you employed now? And she where are you employed now? And she where are you employed now? And she said, I still work for the government. said, I still work for the government. said, I still work for the government. He goes, oh, you're no longer with He goes, oh, you're no longer with He goes, oh, you're no longer with Capital Police. She said, no, I left Capital Police. She said, no, I left Capital Police. She said, no, I left Capital Police about 6 months after Capital Police about 6 months after Capital Police about 6 months after January 6. He said, did you leave under January 6. He said, did you leave under January 6. He said, did you leave under good circumstances? Oh, yes. Uh, very good circumstances? Oh, yes. Uh, very good circumstances? Oh, yes. Uh, very good circumstances. In fact, I had good circumstances. In fact, I had good circumstances. In fact, I had already applied for my current position already applied for my current position already applied for my current position in the government in the government in the government uh before January 6. uh before January 6. uh before January 6. Okay, that's interesting. Then it's time Okay, that's interesting. Then it's time Okay, that's interesting. Then it's time for cross-examination. for cross-examination. for cross-examination. The judge hits the button again, calls The judge hits the button again, calls The judge hits the button again, calls another sidebar, and he says to the another sidebar, and he says to the another sidebar, and he says to the defense attorney, "Don't you go waving defense attorney, "Don't you go waving defense attorney, "Don't you go waving Miss Kirkoff's 302s around this Miss Kirkoff's 302s around this Miss Kirkoff's 302s around this courtroom." courtroom." courtroom." That's the FBI investigation forms. That's the FBI investigation forms. That's the FBI investigation forms. That's what a FBI 302 is. And now I'm That's what a FBI 302 is. And now I'm That's what a FBI 302 is. And now I'm like, my radar is pinging off off the like, my radar is pinging off off the like, my radar is pinging off off the charts. So, I have to know who this charts. So, I have to know who this charts. So, I have to know who this person is. So, I have sources at OD and person is. So, I have sources at OD and person is. So, I have sources at OD and that's how this whole element of the that's how this whole element of the that's how this whole element of the story comes into it is that I took the story comes into it is that I took the story comes into it is that I took the information that I had and I received information that I had and I received information that I had and I received assistance from OD and that helped me assistance from OD and that helped me assistance from OD and that helped me identify her as a current CIA employee.

identify her as a current CIA employee. identify her as a current CIA employee. >> What does she do at CIA? What I was told >> What does she do at CIA? What I was told >> What does she do at CIA? What I was told by OD and I is that she was on their uh by OD and I is that she was on their uh by OD and I is that she was on their uh the equivalent of a dignitary protection the equivalent of a dignitary protection the equivalent of a dignitary protection type detail where she could possibly be type detail where she could possibly be type detail where she could possibly be accompanying accompanying accompanying Director Ratcliffe and other dignitaries Director Ratcliffe and other dignitaries Director Ratcliffe and other dignitaries around armed around armed around armed and um she protects John Ratcliffe, the and um she protects John Ratcliffe, the and um she protects John Ratcliffe, the director of the CIA. director of the CIA. director of the CIA. I'm just telling you that her job I'm just telling you that her job I'm just telling you that her job description as it was relayed to me by description as it was relayed to me by description as it was relayed to me by OD and I was that she was on that detail OD and I was that she was on that detail OD and I was that she was on that detail and she could be one of the people that and she could be one of the people that and she could be one of the people that protect Ratcliffe. protect Ratcliffe. protect Ratcliffe. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's what I learned. >> That's what I learned. >> That's what I learned. >> John Ratcliffe being the former >> John Ratcliffe being the former >> John Ratcliffe being the former congressman and current CIA director. congressman and current CIA director. congressman and current CIA director. >> Correct. All right. >> Correct. All right. >> Correct. All right. So, now we're full into this and I'm So, now we're full into this and I'm So, now we're full into this and I'm doing everything I can. You know, now we doing everything I can. You know, now we doing everything I can. You know, now we find videos of her college career as a find videos of her college career as a find videos of her college career as a world class, you know, all-American world class, you know, all-American world class, you know, all-American athlete, soccer player. And I learned athlete, soccer player. And I learned athlete, soccer player. And I learned that she had a careerending that she had a careerending that she had a careerending injury. Well, not career, it was it was injury. Well, not career, it was it was injury. Well, not career, it was it was her college career ending in injury in her college career ending in injury in her college career ending in injury in her fourth year, fourth season. Uh, she her fourth year, fourth season. Uh, she her fourth year, fourth season. Uh, she broke her tibia in half on her right leg broke her tibia in half on her right leg broke her tibia in half on her right leg and a in a game. And um [clears throat] and a in a game. And um [clears throat] and a in a game. And um [clears throat] and then we found videos after recovery and then we found videos after recovery and then we found videos after recovery and therapy. She played a year of minor and therapy. She played a year of minor and therapy. She played a year of minor league ball for the Columbus Eagles.

league ball for the Columbus Eagles. league ball for the Columbus Eagles. And I see her walking across the field and she's dragging her right leg in a and she's dragging her right leg in a manner manner manner that would be um typical for somebody that would be um typical for somebody that would be um typical for somebody with that exact injury with a what they with that exact injury with a what they with that exact injury with a what they call a circumduction move where the call a circumduction move where the call a circumduction move where the dragging the right foot dragging the right foot dragging the right foot >> yep it comes around >> yep it comes around >> yep it comes around >> in front of the left left foot >> in front of the left left foot >> in front of the left left foot >> and I've seen more of the pipe bopper >> and I've seen more of the pipe bopper >> and I've seen more of the pipe bopper video than anybody and And I've seen it video than anybody and And I've seen it video than anybody and And I've seen it over and over and over and over over and over and over and over over and over and over and over [clears throat] again. I've watched [clears throat] again. I've watched [clears throat] again. I've watched my that 20 minutes of video. I've spent my that 20 minutes of video. I've spent my that 20 minutes of video. I've spent dozens and dozens of hours watching it. dozens and dozens of hours watching it. dozens and dozens of hours watching it. And I went, "You've got to be kidding And I went, "You've got to be kidding And I went, "You've got to be kidding me." And so then I took And so then I took >> So you hadn't had that in mind? You >> So you hadn't had that in mind? You >> So you hadn't had that in mind? You hadn't thought? hadn't thought? hadn't thought? >> No. I was investigating the illegal, >> No. I was investigating the illegal, >> No. I was investigating the illegal, improper use of less lethal improper use of less lethal improper use of less lethal weapons used against the January 6th weapons used against the January 6th weapons used against the January 6th crowd. And you find out that one of the crowd. And you find out that one of the crowd. And you find out that one of the people you believe was using these people you believe was using these people you believe was using these weapons illegally winds up at CIA to weapons illegally winds up at CIA to weapons illegally winds up at CIA to which she had applied before January 6, which she had applied before January 6, which she had applied before January 6, but now she's at CIA in some protective but now she's at CIA in some protective but now she's at CIA in some protective role potentially protecting the director role potentially protecting the director role potentially protecting the director of central intelligence, John Rackcliff.

of central intelligence, John Rackcliff. of central intelligence, John Rackcliff. >> Potentially. >> Potentially. >> Potentially. >> Yeah. I mean, I you know, it's hard even >> Yeah. I mean, I you know, it's hard even >> Yeah. I mean, I you know, it's hard even know to know what to say about all of know to know what to say about all of know to know what to say about all of those connections. Um, those connections. Um, those connections. Um, and then as you're watching video of and then as you're watching video of and then as you're watching video of this person, you say to yourself, "Oh my this person, you say to yourself, "Oh my this person, you say to yourself, "Oh my gosh, I recognize that gate, that gosh, I recognize that gate, that gosh, I recognize that gate, that distinctive gate produced by an injury." distinctive gate produced by an injury." distinctive gate produced by an injury." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No more complicated than that. >> No more complicated than that. >> No more complicated than that. >> No, that's I'm glad I asked you the >> No, that's I'm glad I asked you the >> No, that's I'm glad I asked you the question. question. question. >> I have no I have no malice against >> I have no I have no malice against >> I have no I have no malice against Shaunie Kirkoff. As I said before, I Shaunie Kirkoff. As I said before, I Shaunie Kirkoff. As I said before, I think that she believed she was in think that she believed she was in think that she believed she was in involved in a training exercise, involved in a training exercise, involved in a training exercise, >> right? And it sounds like um >> right? And it sounds like um >> right? And it sounds like um I mean it sounds like you you didn't go I mean it sounds like you you didn't go I mean it sounds like you you didn't go into this imagining you would conclude into this imagining you would conclude into this imagining you would conclude that. that. that. >> No. And then what we did because of this >> No. And then what we did because of this >> No. And then what we did because of this evidence, we started looking at her as a evidence, we started looking at her as a evidence, we started looking at her as a Capitol police officer. And we found two Capitol police officer. And we found two Capitol police officer. And we found two and a half hoursish of video of Miss and a half hoursish of video of Miss and a half hoursish of video of Miss Kirkoff as a Capitol police officer from Kirkoff as a Capitol police officer from Kirkoff as a Capitol police officer from the Capitol CCTV video archives from the Capitol CCTV video archives from the Capitol CCTV video archives from January 5th and January 6th. We we have January 5th and January 6th. We we have January 5th and January 6th. We we have her running all over the capital on both her running all over the capital on both her running all over the capital on both days, the fifth and the sixth as a days, the fifth and the sixth as a days, the fifth and the sixth as a police officer. So we have tons of video police officer. So we have tons of video police officer. So we have tons of video of her and she has that gate. So is of her and she has that gate. So is of her and she has that gate. So is there any way to I mean I you know there any way to I mean I you know there any way to I mean I you know there's all kinds of biometric software.

there's all kinds of biometric software. there's all kinds of biometric software. Is there a way to you know bring science Is there a way to you know bring science Is there a way to you know bring science to bear on this question? to bear on this question? to bear on this question? >> Well that's what we did. So, I took it >> Well that's what we did. So, I took it >> Well that's what we did. So, I took it to a source of mine within the to a source of mine within the to a source of mine within the intelligence community who I've not intelligence community who I've not intelligence community who I've not named and will not name ever. named and will not name ever. named and will not name ever. Um, this source can come forward if they Um, this source can come forward if they Um, this source can come forward if they desire to at any point in this uh desire to at any point in this uh desire to at any point in this uh defamation trial if they choose to come defamation trial if they choose to come defamation trial if they choose to come forward, but I will not out them. And forward, but I will not out them. And forward, but I will not out them. And this in this source this in this source this in this source uh is a let's just say uh is a let's just say uh is a let's just say 30-year career 30-year career 30-year career in the community, in the community, in the community, an expert in gate recognition and also an expert in gate recognition and also an expert in gate recognition and also an engineer in the technology. And this an engineer in the technology. And this an engineer in the technology. And this person ran the gate recognition for me. person ran the gate recognition for me. person ran the gate recognition for me. Came back to me with a 94% hit. So, I Came back to me with a 94% hit. So, I Came back to me with a 94% hit. So, I turned over as much video of the hoodied turned over as much video of the hoodied turned over as much video of the hoodied January 5th pipe bomber and Miss January 5th pipe bomber and Miss January 5th pipe bomber and Miss Kirkoff's footage, both as a soccer Kirkoff's footage, both as a soccer Kirkoff's footage, both as a soccer player and as a Capitol police officer.

player and as a Capitol police officer. player and as a Capitol police officer. The the the software came back with a The the the software came back with a The the the software came back with a 94% hit, but the expert analysis, human 94% hit, but the expert analysis, human 94% hit, but the expert analysis, human analysis was 98% match. analysis was 98% match. analysis was 98% match. So when I'm asked how sure am I that So when I'm asked how sure am I that So when I'm asked how sure am I that she's the bomber, I'm 94 to 98%. she's the bomber, I'm 94 to 98%. she's the bomber, I'm 94 to 98%. >> So um pardon my ignorance. Is gate >> So um pardon my ignorance. Is gate >> So um pardon my ignorance. Is gate recognition software commonly used by recognition software commonly used by recognition software commonly used by intel or investig or law enforcement intel or investig or law enforcement intel or investig or law enforcement agencies? agencies? agencies? >> As a matter of fact, FBI used gate >> As a matter of fact, FBI used gate >> As a matter of fact, FBI used gate recognition technology to um recognition technology to um recognition technology to um disclude a January 6 pipe bomber. They disclude a January 6 pipe bomber. They disclude a January 6 pipe bomber. They had as one of their uh persons of had as one of their uh persons of had as one of their uh persons of interest a gym owner over in Virginia interest a gym owner over in Virginia interest a gym owner over in Virginia across the river who had, believe it or across the river who had, believe it or across the river who had, believe it or not, an odd gate, but more importantly not, an odd gate, but more importantly not, an odd gate, but more importantly had a receipt for having purchased the had a receipt for having purchased the had a receipt for having purchased the identical type of rare Nike collectible identical type of rare Nike collectible identical type of rare Nike collectible shoe that the bomber was wearing that shoe that the bomber was wearing that shoe that the bomber was wearing that night. Nike Air Max Speed Turf 2018 night. Nike Air Max Speed Turf 2018 night. Nike Air Max Speed Turf 2018 edition is what the bomber was wearing edition is what the bomber was wearing edition is what the bomber was wearing in a very specific color scheme. gray, in a very specific color scheme. gray, in a very specific color scheme. gray, gold, and black. And um gold, and black. And um gold, and black. And um he had a receipt for having purchased he had a receipt for having purchased he had a receipt for having purchased this. So they ran gate recognition on this. So they ran gate recognition on this. So they ran gate recognition on him and eliminated him as a suspect.

him and eliminated him as a suspect. him and eliminated him as a suspect. They ran gate recognition on the Guthrie They ran gate recognition on the Guthrie They ran gate recognition on the Guthrie case just recently. You know, Savannah case just recently. You know, Savannah case just recently. You know, Savannah Guthri's mother. Guthri's mother. Guthri's mother. >> Uh they use gate rec recognition on that >> Uh they use gate rec recognition on that >> Uh they use gate rec recognition on that suspect. Um gate recognition in courts suspect. Um gate recognition in courts suspect. Um gate recognition in courts have been used for hundreds of years, have been used for hundreds of years, have been used for hundreds of years, hundreds of years. I mean, you can it's hundreds of years. I mean, you can it's hundreds of years. I mean, you can it's in many cases it's more accurate than a in many cases it's more accurate than a in many cases it's more accurate than a facial recognition or a fingerprint facial recognition or a fingerprint facial recognition or a fingerprint because you can get it from a distance. because you can get it from a distance. because you can get it from a distance. And that's what's so valuable about gate And that's what's so valuable about gate And that's what's so valuable about gate recognition. recognition. recognition. >> So, are you the I mean, the FBI was >> So, are you the I mean, the FBI was >> So, are you the I mean, the FBI was doing or claiming to do an investigation doing or claiming to do an investigation doing or claiming to do an investigation into these pipe bombings into these pipe bombings into these pipe bombings >> for a long time, >> for a long time, >> for a long time, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Did they ever talk to her? Was she ever >> Did they ever talk to her? Was she ever >> Did they ever talk to her? Was she ever did she ever come up as a suspect in did she ever come up as a suspect in did she ever come up as a suspect in this? this? this? So, uh, when I discovered all of this, I So, uh, when I discovered all of this, I So, uh, when I discovered all of this, I took this information to my sources at took this information to my sources at took this information to my sources at ODNI and all hell broke loose. So, ODNI and all hell broke loose. So, ODNI and all hell broke loose. So, following the law, following procedure, following the law, following procedure, following the law, following procedure, um, Tulsi had a special group called the um, Tulsi had a special group called the um, Tulsi had a special group called the DIG, the Director's Initiative Group, DIG, the Director's Initiative Group, DIG, the Director's Initiative Group, which was shut down and dissolved which was shut down and dissolved which was shut down and dissolved because of this story.

because of this story. because of this story. >> Yep. By by CIA. by CIA. Of course, the >> Yep. By by CIA. by CIA. Of course, the >> Yep. By by CIA. by CIA. Of course, the people that worked in the dig that people that worked in the dig that people that worked in the dig that assisted in this story assisted in this story assisted in this story um and looked at the evidence um and looked at the evidence um and looked at the evidence were demanded by CIA to come in to were demanded by CIA to come in to were demanded by CIA to come in to Langley for 4-hour sitdown interviews Langley for 4-hour sitdown interviews Langley for 4-hour sitdown interviews and polygraphs and they told him, you and polygraphs and they told him, you and polygraphs and they told him, you know, bite me. It's like you forget that know, bite me. It's like you forget that know, bite me. It's like you forget that OD and I we oversee you. It's not the OD and I we oversee you. It's not the OD and I we oversee you. It's not the other way around. And they did. The other way around. And they did. The other way around. And they did. The point of dig, one of the things that Dig point of dig, one of the things that Dig point of dig, one of the things that Dig was doing is looking into was doing is looking into was doing is looking into mysteries mysteries mysteries in which the, you know, federal in which the, you know, federal in which the, you know, federal government had the documents, necessary government had the documents, necessary government had the documents, necessary documents to show what actually happened documents to show what actually happened documents to show what actually happened in a bunch of different stories, right? in a bunch of different stories, right? in a bunch of different stories, right? >> Yeah. I, you know, I had taken I because >> Yeah. I, you know, I had taken I because >> Yeah. I, you know, I had taken I because I believed it was a a possible public I believed it was a a possible public I believed it was a a possible public corruption issue. Nobody in the corruption issue. Nobody in the corruption issue. Nobody in the intelligence community trusts the FBI intelligence community trusts the FBI intelligence community trusts the FBI and I'm sorry I'm I'm I'm sorry to all and I'm sorry I'm I'm I'm sorry to all and I'm sorry I'm I'm I'm sorry to all the the the >> that is I can verify that >> that is I can verify that >> that is I can verify that >> from supporters out there but they don't >> from supporters out there but they don't >> from supporters out there but they don't trust Cash Patel's at all trust Cash Patel's at all trust Cash Patel's at all >> FBI any more than they trusted >> FBI any more than they trusted >> FBI any more than they trusted >> and in fact knowledgeable people in the >> and in fact knowledgeable people in the >> and in fact knowledgeable people in the government will always tell you that the government will always tell you that the government will always tell you that the FBI kind of gets a pass CIA gets a lot FBI kind of gets a pass CIA gets a lot FBI kind of gets a pass CIA gets a lot of attention for being evil and killing of attention for being evil and killing of attention for being evil and killing people and all this stuff but like in people and all this stuff but like in people and all this stuff but like in real life you're afraid of the FBI.

real life you're afraid of the FBI. real life you're afraid of the FBI. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because they're the ones that can harm >> Because they're the ones that can harm >> Because they're the ones that can harm you domestically. you domestically. you domestically. >> That's right. Yeah. People are afraid of >> That's right. Yeah. People are afraid of >> That's right. Yeah. People are afraid of the FBI. That's absolutely true. the FBI. That's absolutely true. the FBI. That's absolutely true. >> Right. So, u that's why I took it to OD >> Right. So, u that's why I took it to OD >> Right. So, u that's why I took it to OD and I FBI would have been the the and I FBI would have been the the and I FBI would have been the the natural people to go to with this, but natural people to go to with this, but natural people to go to with this, but I've been through this. I've taken a I've been through this. I've taken a I've been through this. I've taken a public corruption public corruption public corruption >> office of the director of national >> office of the director of national >> office of the director of national intelligence. intelligence. intelligence. >> Correct. Right. Right. So, that'd be >> Correct. Right. Right. So, that'd be >> Correct. Right. Right. So, that'd be Tulsi Gabbert until recently Tulsi Gabbert until recently Tulsi Gabbert until recently >> and I took it directly to the dig, the >> and I took it directly to the dig, the >> and I took it directly to the dig, the director's initiative group within the director's initiative group within the director's initiative group within the FBI and I took this name of this person. FBI and I took this name of this person. FBI and I took this name of this person. actually they they uh are as I said they actually they they uh are as I said they actually they they uh are as I said they were the ones that discovered that what were the ones that discovered that what were the ones that discovered that what her job was at CIA and then they drafted her job was at CIA and then they drafted her job was at CIA and then they drafted a memo. Now this was just a draft memo. a memo. Now this was just a draft memo. a memo. Now this was just a draft memo. It had never been complete. Still had It had never been complete. Still had It had never been complete. Still had the yellow you know markings on the memo the yellow you know markings on the memo the yellow you know markings on the memo had not been approved for distribution had not been approved for distribution had not been approved for distribution but the deputy director of ODNI but the deputy director of ODNI but the deputy director of ODNI I call it a leak. It's not it's it's I call it a leak. It's not it's it's I call it a leak. It's not it's it's it's uh you know it was a pass along to it's uh you know it was a pass along to it's uh you know it was a pass along to the deputy director Ellis of CIA before the deputy director Ellis of CIA before the deputy director Ellis of CIA before the draft memo was complete. This was the draft memo was complete. This was the draft memo was complete. This was done before our story about Miss Kirkoff done before our story about Miss Kirkoff done before our story about Miss Kirkoff was published on November 8th of last was published on November 8th of last was published on November 8th of last year. So this draft memo was being year. So this draft memo was being year. So this draft memo was being circulated. It was uh given from the circulated. It was uh given from the circulated. It was uh given from the deputy director, Tulsi's deputy director deputy director, Tulsi's deputy director deputy director, Tulsi's deputy director to deputy director of CIA who gave it to to deputy director of CIA who gave it to to deputy director of CIA who gave it to FBI, who gave it to the White House and FBI, who gave it to the White House and FBI, who gave it to the White House and leaked it to the press.

leaked it to the press. leaked it to the press. The White House had it the day before The White House had it the day before The White House had it the day before our story came out, our story came out, our story came out, two days before our story came out, Miss two days before our story came out, Miss two days before our story came out, Miss Kirkoff's partner gets a call from the Kirkoff's partner gets a call from the Kirkoff's partner gets a call from the FBI and said, "Oh, we're going to raid FBI and said, "Oh, we're going to raid FBI and said, "Oh, we're going to raid your house tomorrow morning." No, they your house tomorrow morning." No, they your house tomorrow morning." No, they got a 12-h hour advanced notice that got a 12-h hour advanced notice that got a 12-h hour advanced notice that their house was going to be raided. their house was going to be raided. their house was going to be raided. That's not standard operating procedure, That's not standard operating procedure, That's not standard operating procedure, by the way. So, on the morning, Friday by the way. So, on the morning, Friday by the way. So, on the morning, Friday morning, November 7th, FBI shows up and morning, November 7th, FBI shows up and morning, November 7th, FBI shows up and they're there all day. Now, I have no they're there all day. Now, I have no they're there all day. Now, I have no idea that the FBI is raiding Miss idea that the FBI is raiding Miss idea that the FBI is raiding Miss Kirkoff's house, but what I learned was Kirkoff's house, but what I learned was Kirkoff's house, but what I learned was from one of my Capitol police sources. from one of my Capitol police sources. from one of my Capitol police sources. It was about uh one or two o'clock in It was about uh one or two o'clock in It was about uh one or two o'clock in the afternoon. Hey, your girl's her her the afternoon. Hey, your girl's her her the afternoon. Hey, your girl's her her house is being raided right now. And um house is being raided right now. And um house is being raided right now. And um so we sent our um uh I was still with so we sent our um uh I was still with so we sent our um uh I was still with Ablaze at the time and so our acting Ablaze at the time and so our acting Ablaze at the time and so our acting editor-in chief at the time Chris editor-in chief at the time Chris editor-in chief at the time Chris Bedford um lived in um Alexandria where Bedford um lived in um Alexandria where Bedford um lived in um Alexandria where Kirkoff lives and so on his way home he Kirkoff lives and so on his way home he Kirkoff lives and so on his way home he drove past the house drove past the house drove past the house and sure enough they're all out there and sure enough they're all out there and sure enough they're all out there got uniformed and plain clothes got uniformed and plain clothes got uniformed and plain clothes individuals local cops FBI are all individuals local cops FBI are all individuals local cops FBI are all milling around that house. This is the milling around that house. This is the milling around that house. This is the day before our story came out that day before our story came out that day before our story came out that night. Miss Kirkoff at 8:00 PM by a very night. Miss Kirkoff at 8:00 PM by a very night. Miss Kirkoff at 8:00 PM by a very high ranking FBI high ranking FBI high ranking FBI um individual who I still don't know who um individual who I still don't know who um individual who I still don't know who it is, but our attorneys know who it is it is, but our attorneys know who it is it is, but our attorneys know who it is through discovery that I've not seen through discovery that I've not seen through discovery that I've not seen yet. Um yet. Um yet. Um told her that we need you to come in for told her that we need you to come in for told her that we need you to come in for a polygraph.

a polygraph. a polygraph. And that and what they told her was that And that and what they told her was that And that and what they told her was that look, look, look, it's gonna you're gonna spend more time it's gonna you're gonna spend more time it's gonna you're gonna spend more time in the drive downtown, you know, to FBI in the drive downtown, you know, to FBI in the drive downtown, you know, to FBI headquarters and the drive back than headquarters and the drive back than headquarters and the drive back than you're going to, you know, spend being you're going to, you know, spend being you're going to, you know, spend being interviewed. Well, that wasn't true. She interviewed. Well, that wasn't true. She interviewed. Well, that wasn't true. She ended up being interviewed and ended up being interviewed and ended up being interviewed and polygraphed for 4 hours. Didn't get back polygraphed for 4 hours. Didn't get back polygraphed for 4 hours. Didn't get back home till after midnight. But what we home till after midnight. But what we home till after midnight. But what we then learned months later was that she then learned months later was that she then learned months later was that she failed that polygraph. failed that polygraph. failed that polygraph. Not only did she fail the polygraph, she Not only did she fail the polygraph, she Not only did she fail the polygraph, she was admonished by the poligrapher, the was admonished by the poligrapher, the was admonished by the poligrapher, the the uh examiner, admonished for her the uh examiner, admonished for her the uh examiner, admonished for her rehearsed answers to the questions rehearsed answers to the questions rehearsed answers to the questions >> and the questions pertain to the pipe >> and the questions pertain to the pipe >> and the questions pertain to the pipe bombings bombings bombings >> directly. The questions were are did you >> directly. The questions were are did you >> directly. The questions were are did you plan? plan? plan? >> How do you know that she failed the >> How do you know that she failed the >> How do you know that she failed the polygraph? polygraph? polygraph? >> Uh it uh so in the Brian Cole Jr. case. >> Uh it uh so in the Brian Cole Jr. case. >> Uh it uh so in the Brian Cole Jr. case. Now, you you asked earlier, how did Now, you you asked earlier, how did Now, you you asked earlier, how did Brian how did this investigation Brian how did this investigation Brian how did this investigation suddenly get ignited again? 5 days after suddenly get ignited again? 5 days after suddenly get ignited again? 5 days after I named U Miss Kirkoff as the potential I named U Miss Kirkoff as the potential I named U Miss Kirkoff as the potential bomber based on forensic science gate bomber based on forensic science gate bomber based on forensic science gate recognition technology. Um, suddenly recognition technology. Um, suddenly recognition technology. Um, suddenly outside of Brian Cole Jr.'s house in outside of Brian Cole Jr.'s house in outside of Brian Cole Jr.'s house in Woodbridge, Virginia is a FBI Woodbridge, Virginia is a FBI Woodbridge, Virginia is a FBI surveillance team. 5 days after surveillance team. 5 days after surveillance team. 5 days after after 5 years, nothing. 5 days after after 5 years, nothing. 5 days after after 5 years, nothing. 5 days after there's a surveillance team on his there's a surveillance team on his there's a surveillance team on his house.

house. house. He was then arrested a month later, He was then arrested a month later, He was then arrested a month later, charged with the crime on Dan Bonino's charged with the crime on Dan Bonino's charged with the crime on Dan Bonino's birthday. They did the dog dog and pony birthday. They did the dog dog and pony birthday. They did the dog dog and pony show, you know, uh press conference show, you know, uh press conference show, you know, uh press conference where, you know, Bondi and um Janine where, you know, Bondi and um Janine where, you know, Bondi and um Janine Piro and Cash Patel and Dan Bonino all Piro and Cash Patel and Dan Bonino all Piro and Cash Patel and Dan Bonino all made their statements and their speeches made their statements and their speeches made their statements and their speeches >> about this Brian Cole Jr. >> about this Brian Cole Jr. >> about this Brian Cole Jr. >> about this Brian Cole Jr., >> about this Brian Cole Jr., >> about this Brian Cole Jr., >> who is he? He is a um uh >> who is he? He is a um uh >> who is he? He is a um uh autistic black man. [laughter] He was 25 years old on January 5th and He was 25 years old on January 5th and 6th of 2021. He's 30 years old now. 6th of 2021. He's 30 years old now. 6th of 2021. He's 30 years old now. And um he famously because of his autism And um he famously because of his autism And um he famously because of his autism and his extreme OCD, he famously walked and his extreme OCD, he famously walked and his extreme OCD, he famously walked his dog two or three times a day around his dog two or three times a day around his dog two or three times a day around the neighborhood. His neighbors, the neighborhood. His neighbors, the neighborhood. His neighbors, including an FBI whistleblower, still an including an FBI whistleblower, still an including an FBI whistleblower, still an employee of the FBI, says it ain't him. employee of the FBI, says it ain't him. employee of the FBI, says it ain't him. He walks nothing like the bomber. He has He walks nothing like the bomber. He has He walks nothing like the bomber. He has a very interesting gate.

a very interesting gate. a very interesting gate. Uh I I can go through the forensics with Uh I I can go through the forensics with Uh I I can go through the forensics with you uh till the cows come home. Tucker, you uh till the cows come home. Tucker, you uh till the cows come home. Tucker, just just very very briefly and then I'm just just very very briefly and then I'm just just very very briefly and then I'm going to give you the blockbuster. All going to give you the blockbuster. All going to give you the blockbuster. All right. right. right. >> It just you when I'm sorry to say this, >> It just you when I'm sorry to say this, >> It just you when I'm sorry to say this, but when uh Cord Meyer's wife, Mary but when uh Cord Meyer's wife, Mary but when uh Cord Meyer's wife, Mary Penchon Meyer, who had had an affair Penchon Meyer, who had had an affair Penchon Meyer, who had had an affair with uh President Kennedy, was murdered with uh President Kennedy, was murdered with uh President Kennedy, was murdered on the Topath in Georgetown right near on the Topath in Georgetown right near on the Topath in Georgetown right near where I grew up um by by CIA was where I grew up um by by CIA was where I grew up um by by CIA was obvious. It's very clear what happened obvious. It's very clear what happened obvious. It's very clear what happened now. But then at the time, uh and she now. But then at the time, uh and she now. But then at the time, uh and she was a well-known person in Georgetown in was a well-known person in Georgetown in was a well-known person in Georgetown in 1962 or whatever. Uh they arrested an 1962 or whatever. Uh they arrested an 1962 or whatever. Uh they arrested an autistic black guy, [laughter] autistic black guy, [laughter] autistic black guy, [laughter] put him on laughing. It's just like put him on laughing. It's just like put him on laughing. It's just like horrible. Yeah. And they put him on horrible. Yeah. And they put him on horrible. Yeah. And they put him on trial. He was acquitted by a DC jury. trial. He was acquitted by a DC jury. trial. He was acquitted by a DC jury. >> But um it's the same. It's the same. >> But um it's the same. It's the same. >> But um it's the same. It's the same. It's I mean that's I'm not you know It's I mean that's I'm not you know It's I mean that's I'm not you know whatever. whatever. whatever. >> No, I know. Just like I've heard this >> No, I know. Just like I've heard this >> No, I know. Just like I've heard this story before. story before. story before. >> Here's here's let's find the autistic >> Here's here's let's find the autistic >> Here's here's let's find the autistic black guy. Right. [laughter] black guy. Right. [laughter] black guy. Right. [laughter] >> So bad. Here here's a really interesting >> So bad. Here here's a really interesting >> So bad. Here here's a really interesting side note to this story is so you had side note to this story is so you had side note to this story is so you had the evening of the arrest the the press the evening of the arrest the the press the evening of the arrest the the press conference from all the mucky mucks conference from all the mucky mucks conference from all the mucky mucks >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> DOJ and FBI. >> DOJ and FBI. >> DOJ and FBI. >> That was 6 months ago. You know who has >> That was 6 months ago. You know who has >> That was 6 months ago. You know who has never mentioned it. Yet during the never mentioned it. Yet during the never mentioned it. Yet during the campaign it was a top three priority of campaign it was a top three priority of campaign it was a top three priority of this administration. this administration. this administration. President. The president never patted President. The president never patted President. The president never patted Cash and Dan on the ass and said add a Cash and Dan on the ass and said add a Cash and Dan on the ass and said add a boy. He's never mentioned it. Nobody in boy. He's never mentioned it. Nobody in boy. He's never mentioned it. Nobody in the White House has ever commented on the White House has ever commented on the White House has ever commented on it. And our sources in the White House it. And our sources in the White House it. And our sources in the White House is nobody in the White House buys this is nobody in the White House buys this is nobody in the White House buys this arrest. arrest. arrest. >> Well, I can confirm that which is why >> Well, I can confirm that which is why >> Well, I can confirm that which is why I'm talking to you. Yeah, of come on I'm talking to you. Yeah, of come on I'm talking to you. Yeah, of come on now. Um, but I also don't, you know, I now. Um, but I also don't, you know, I now. Um, but I also don't, you know, I don't know. I mean, just be, you know, I don't know. I mean, just be, you know, I don't know. I mean, just be, you know, I don't know. I don't know anything. Uh, don't know. I don't know anything. Uh, don't know. I don't know anything. Uh, which is why I'm grateful you're here. which is why I'm grateful you're here. which is why I'm grateful you're here. So, So, So, >> okay. So, you write a piece saying that >> okay. So, you write a piece saying that >> okay. So, you write a piece saying that it looks like this Kirchoff woman could it looks like this Kirchoff woman could it looks like this Kirchoff woman could be the person her date her gate is be the person her date her gate is be the person her date her gate is basically identical. Yes. basically identical. Yes. basically identical. Yes. Um, she meanwhile works in a protective Um, she meanwhile works in a protective Um, she meanwhile works in a protective capacity at CA possibly for the director capacity at CA possibly for the director capacity at CA possibly for the director himself. Crazy crazy town. Um, what is himself. Crazy crazy town. Um, what is himself. Crazy crazy town. Um, what is her response to it? She denies it. her response to it? She denies it. her response to it? She denies it. >> Well, you know, one of one of the things >> Well, you know, one of one of the things >> Well, you know, one of one of the things that I've been criticized greatly over that I've been criticized greatly over that I've been criticized greatly over in me and my my team and my writing in me and my my team and my writing in me and my my team and my writing partner Joe Hanaman is that we never partner Joe Hanaman is that we never partner Joe Hanaman is that we never reached out for comment to Miss Kirkoff.

reached out for comment to Miss Kirkoff. reached out for comment to Miss Kirkoff. That's not true. Try reaching out to That's not true. Try reaching out to That's not true. Try reaching out to somebody who's an employee of the CIA. somebody who's an employee of the CIA. somebody who's an employee of the CIA. Yeah, I have. Her background her Yeah, I have. Her background her Yeah, I have. Her background her background [laughter] is her background background [laughter] is her background background [laughter] is her background has been scrubbed. Now I did find her has been scrubbed. Now I did find her has been scrubbed. Now I did find her address. We found that address. We found that address. We found that >> I could have knocked on her door. >> I could have knocked on her door. >> I could have knocked on her door. I didn't do it. Shame on me. Okay. So I I didn't do it. Shame on me. Okay. So I I didn't do it. Shame on me. Okay. So I should have gotten I should have should should have gotten I should have should should have gotten I should have should have could have knocked on her door. have could have knocked on her door. have could have knocked on her door. Um we contacted everybody else at 9:00 Um we contacted everybody else at 9:00 Um we contacted everybody else at 9:00 the next morning. So our our our story the next morning. So our our our story the next morning. So our our our story comes out on a Saturday morning. nine comes out on a Saturday morning. nine comes out on a Saturday morning. nine o'clock on Sunday morning, November 9th. o'clock on Sunday morning, November 9th. o'clock on Sunday morning, November 9th. At 9:00 am, I'm in a hotel in DC and I At 9:00 am, I'm in a hotel in DC and I At 9:00 am, I'm in a hotel in DC and I get a call from the freaking CIA. get a call from the freaking CIA. get a call from the freaking CIA. It's the chief um public affairs officer It's the chief um public affairs officer It's the chief um public affairs officer at the CIA calls me at 9:00 a.m. from at the CIA calls me at 9:00 a.m. from at the CIA calls me at 9:00 a.m. from home with a crying baby in her arm. I home with a crying baby in her arm. I home with a crying baby in her arm. I can hear the baby crying. She's going, can hear the baby crying. She's going, can hear the baby crying. She's going, "Excuse me, excuse." She goes, "Look, "Excuse me, excuse." She goes, "Look, "Excuse me, excuse." She goes, "Look, I'm just calling you to let you know I'm just calling you to let you know I'm just calling you to let you know that you got one aspect of your story that you got one aspect of your story that you got one aspect of your story wrong." I went, "Okay, great. What What wrong." I went, "Okay, great. What What wrong." I went, "Okay, great. What What one aspect did I get wrong?" She said, one aspect did I get wrong?" She said, one aspect did I get wrong?" She said, "You've got uh Miss Kirkoff's job "You've got uh Miss Kirkoff's job "You've got uh Miss Kirkoff's job description wrong." Now, the job description wrong." Now, the job description wrong." Now, the job description that I published, I didn't description that I published, I didn't description that I published, I didn't make up. That was what OD and I, who has make up. That was what OD and I, who has make up. That was what OD and I, who has access to the entire intelligence access to the entire intelligence access to the entire intelligence community database, read off to me and community database, read off to me and community database, read off to me and told me what her job was. But instead, told me what her job was. But instead, told me what her job was. But instead, she said, "No, she's just a security she said, "No, she's just a security she said, "No, she's just a security officer at Langley on the campus. That's officer at Langley on the campus. That's officer at Langley on the campus. That's all she is. Security officer Langley."

all she is. Security officer Langley." all she is. Security officer Langley." And so, we corrected the story. I mean, And so, we corrected the story. I mean, And so, we corrected the story. I mean, we didn't correct it. We just made, you we didn't correct it. We just made, you we didn't correct it. We just made, you know, know, know, >> but she didn't say >> but she didn't say >> but she didn't say our employees was not the pipe bomber. our employees was not the pipe bomber. our employees was not the pipe bomber. >> No, nothing like that. She just And she >> No, nothing like that. She just And she >> No, nothing like that. She just And she actually even said, she said, "I just actually even said, she said, "I just actually even said, she said, "I just don't I don't want that one little don't I don't want that one little don't I don't want that one little thing, you know, to take away from the thing, you know, to take away from the thing, you know, to take away from the veracity of your story." She said that veracity of your story." She said that veracity of your story." She said that and um thank you. So, I notified my and um thank you. So, I notified my and um thank you. So, I notified my editors. They made the note, you know, editors. They made the note, you know, editors. They made the note, you know, to the to the story and uh and then to the to the story and uh and then to the to the story and uh and then everything continued to blow up. Now, everything continued to blow up. Now, everything continued to blow up. Now, fast forward 6 months later, and I have fast forward 6 months later, and I have fast forward 6 months later, and I have sat down with for many, many hours a sat down with for many, many hours a sat down with for many, many hours a current existing CIA employee who has al current existing CIA employee who has al current existing CIA employee who has al also become a whistleblower, but he also become a whistleblower, but he also become a whistleblower, but he still has his job. still has his job. still has his job. And he has held Miss Kirkoff's files in And he has held Miss Kirkoff's files in And he has held Miss Kirkoff's files in his hands. And he said, "That Sunday his hands. And he said, "That Sunday his hands. And he said, "That Sunday morning call that you got saying that morning call that you got saying that morning call that you got saying that she was a campus security officer at she was a campus security officer at she was a campus security officer at CIA, that's a lie." And he goes, "You CIA, that's a lie." And he goes, "You CIA, that's a lie." And he goes, "You know, that's what we do for a living, know, that's what we do for a living, know, that's what we do for a living, right? We lie." Yeah. I said, "Yeah, I right? We lie." Yeah. I said, "Yeah, I right? We lie." Yeah. I said, "Yeah, I understand."

>> Um, >> Um, so what did FBI say about this? Did you so what did FBI say about this? Did you so what did FBI say about this? Did you call Dan Bonino or Cash Patel to ask call Dan Bonino or Cash Patel to ask call Dan Bonino or Cash Patel to ask their view? Well, you know, I I have their view? Well, you know, I I have their view? Well, you know, I I have reached out to Bonino on many occasions, reached out to Bonino on many occasions, reached out to Bonino on many occasions, and this is part of the story is is that and this is part of the story is is that and this is part of the story is is that in my reporting about the new FBI, I've in my reporting about the new FBI, I've in my reporting about the new FBI, I've been very critical of them, especially been very critical of them, especially been very critical of them, especially after their abandonment of the after their abandonment of the after their abandonment of the whistleblowers because that was one of whistleblowers because that was one of whistleblowers because that was one of Patel's promises was that they were Patel's promises was that they were Patel's promises was that they were going to make the whistleblowers whole. going to make the whistleblowers whole. going to make the whistleblowers whole. That was one of Bonino's promises. They That was one of Bonino's promises. They That was one of Bonino's promises. They were going to make the whistleblowers. were going to make the whistleblowers. were going to make the whistleblowers. And we're talking about the And we're talking about the And we're talking about the whistleblowers that had whistleblown whistleblowers that had whistleblown whistleblowers that had whistleblown about the COVID regime, about the about the COVID regime, about the about the COVID regime, about the mandates related to that, about January mandates related to that, about January mandates related to that, about January 6, the the, you know, the guys that were 6, the the, you know, the guys that were 6, the the, you know, the guys that were told to go out and swat raid grandma's, told to go out and swat raid grandma's, told to go out and swat raid grandma's, you know, for misdemeanor offenses, you know, for misdemeanor offenses, you know, for misdemeanor offenses, something the FBI had never done in its something the FBI had never done in its something the FBI had never done in its 100red-year career, you know, history of 100red-year career, you know, history of 100red-year career, you know, history of the of the agency, the bureau. And and the of the agency, the bureau. And and the of the agency, the bureau. And and so, um, I had become very critical. And so, um, I had become very critical. And so, um, I had become very critical. And five times that I know of, and I only five times that I know of, and I only five times that I know of, and I only know this because the executives at the know this because the executives at the know this because the executives at the Blaze relay it to me. Five times Blaze relay it to me. Five times Blaze relay it to me. Five times individuals from the seventh floor of individuals from the seventh floor of individuals from the seventh floor of the FBI, the Hoover building, called my the FBI, the Hoover building, called my the FBI, the Hoover building, called my bosses to try to get me fired at the bosses to try to get me fired at the bosses to try to get me fired at the place.

place. place. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Who do you know who called from FBI? >> Who do you know who called from FBI? >> Who do you know who called from FBI? >> And Bonino called twice. He was the >> And Bonino called twice. He was the >> And Bonino called twice. He was the first one that I was first one that I was first one that I was >> try to get you fired. >> try to get you fired. >> try to get you fired. >> Yeah. To Well, first of all, to >> Yeah. To Well, first of all, to >> Yeah. To Well, first of all, to complain, then it escalated from there. complain, then it escalated from there. complain, then it escalated from there. >> Did he call you? >> Did he call you? >> Did he call you? >> No, didn't. No, Bonino. Uh, and I >> No, didn't. No, Bonino. Uh, and I >> No, didn't. No, Bonino. Uh, and I Bino gets my DMs Bino gets my DMs Bino gets my DMs because he told my bosses that he reads because he told my bosses that he reads because he told my bosses that he reads my DMs. That's why I know he gets them. my DMs. That's why I know he gets them. my DMs. That's why I know he gets them. And he's famously blocks people on his, And he's famously blocks people on his, And he's famously blocks people on his, you know, exac account. He's never you know, exac account. He's never you know, exac account. He's never blocked me, but he's criticized me. He's blocked me, but he's criticized me. He's blocked me, but he's criticized me. He's the one who told Thomas Massie that he the one who told Thomas Massie that he the one who told Thomas Massie that he would personally write the check for the would personally write the check for the would personally write the check for the defamation lawsuit from Shnie Kirkoff. defamation lawsuit from Shnie Kirkoff. defamation lawsuit from Shnie Kirkoff. How did Dan go so quickly from a critic How did Dan go so quickly from a critic How did Dan go so quickly from a critic of the deep state to its most aggressive of the deep state to its most aggressive of the deep state to its most aggressive defender? What what happened to Dan, do defender? What what happened to Dan, do defender? What what happened to Dan, do you think? you think? you think? >> I you know, I don't know, but I can tell >> I you know, I don't know, but I can tell >> I you know, I don't know, but I can tell you that in February of 24 that and it's still on uh Dan's X page.

that and it's still on uh Dan's X page. You can go there. February 24, he is You can go there. February 24, he is You can go there. February 24, he is singing my praises. He goes, "That Baker singing my praises. He goes, "That Baker singing my praises. He goes, "That Baker guy at the blaze, he is just knocking it guy at the blaze, he is just knocking it guy at the blaze, he is just knocking it out of the park about the pipe bomb." out of the park about the pipe bomb." out of the park about the pipe bomb." Because we were releasing videos back Because we were releasing videos back Because we were releasing videos back then that nobody had ever seen, like, then that nobody had ever seen, like, then that nobody had ever seen, like, you know, the the destruction of the you know, the the destruction of the you know, the the destruction of the bomb by the robot. People the the fact bomb by the robot. People the the fact bomb by the robot. People the the fact that that investigative cameras had been that that investigative cameras had been that that investigative cameras had been turned away from the site, we we we not turned away from the site, we we we not turned away from the site, we we we not only found that the cameras had been only found that the cameras had been only found that the cameras had been turned away, we found the act of them turned away, we found the act of them turned away, we found the act of them being turned away from the investigation being turned away from the investigation being turned away from the investigation scene. And we were releasing all these scene. And we were releasing all these scene. And we were releasing all these videos back then and he's singing my videos back then and he's singing my videos back then and he's singing my praises. Well, he's complete opposite praises. Well, he's complete opposite praises. Well, he's complete opposite now. I don't know. You know, look, I I now. I don't know. You know, look, I I now. I don't know. You know, look, I I can speculate as as much as anybody. He can speculate as as much as anybody. He can speculate as as much as anybody. He it feels like looks like he had a it feels like looks like he had a it feels like looks like he had a breakdown of some sort. He's terrified. breakdown of some sort. He's terrified. breakdown of some sort. He's terrified. That's obvious. Um I don't know why. I That's obvious. Um I don't know why. I That's obvious. Um I don't know why. I don't know any more than that. I know don't know any more than that. I know don't know any more than that. I know having had a lot of contact with Dam having had a lot of contact with Dam having had a lot of contact with Dam Bonino. It he turned on a dime. You Bonino. It he turned on a dime. You Bonino. It he turned on a dime. You know, something happened to him at FBI know, something happened to him at FBI know, something happened to him at FBI that just broke him as a man, destroyed that just broke him as a man, destroyed that just broke him as a man, destroyed his life, and certainly destroyed his his life, and certainly destroyed his his life, and certainly destroyed his career. And I feel sorry for him. I I career. And I feel sorry for him. I I career. And I feel sorry for him. I I just find it interesting that he was just find it interesting that he was just find it interesting that he was your like greatest opponent. You're your like greatest opponent. You're your like greatest opponent. You're you're just trying to find out what you're just trying to find out what you're just trying to find out what happened.

happened. happened. >> Yeah. He tried to get he tried to call >> Yeah. He tried to get he tried to call >> Yeah. He tried to get he tried to call me off of my reporting on the me off of my reporting on the me off of my reporting on the whistleblower situation and then uh as whistleblower situation and then uh as whistleblower situation and then uh as we were getting closer to this story, he we were getting closer to this story, he we were getting closer to this story, he called So the first person he called was called So the first person he called was called So the first person he called was the president of the Blaze and that was the president of the Blaze and that was the president of the Blaze and that was in the summer um before I even knew who in the summer um before I even knew who in the summer um before I even knew who Kirkoff was. And then later he called u Kirkoff was. And then later he called u Kirkoff was. And then later he called u my editor-inchief. And then Ben my editor-inchief. And then Ben my editor-inchief. And then Ben Williamson, the assistant u personal uh Williamson, the assistant u personal uh Williamson, the assistant u personal uh I think uh personal affairs officer uh I think uh personal affairs officer uh I think uh personal affairs officer uh in the seventh floor of the FBI. He in the seventh floor of the FBI. He in the seventh floor of the FBI. He called my editor-inchief. Both Bino and called my editor-inchief. Both Bino and called my editor-inchief. Both Bino and Williamson agreed that Bonino would sit Williamson agreed that Bonino would sit Williamson agreed that Bonino would sit down with me and let me show him the down with me and let me show him the down with me and let me show him the evidence we had developed on the evidence we had developed on the evidence we had developed on the pipeline, which he never did. pipeline, which he never did. pipeline, which he never did. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> And I sent him many messages trying to >> And I sent him many messages trying to >> And I sent him many messages trying to execute that execute that execute that >> that opportunity, that sitdown. never >> that opportunity, that sitdown. never >> that opportunity, that sitdown. never happened. And then why wouldn't he want happened. And then why wouldn't he want happened. And then why wouldn't he want to see that? I wonder. I don't know. to see that? I wonder. I don't know. to see that? I wonder. I don't know. He, you know, he famously criticized He, you know, he famously criticized He, you know, he famously criticized Massie, you know, in this tirade. He Massie, you know, in this tirade. He Massie, you know, in this tirade. He went on like a, you know, 4-day tirade went on like a, you know, 4-day tirade went on like a, you know, 4-day tirade against Massie. And one of the things he against Massie. And one of the things he against Massie. And one of the things he was criticizing Massie for is that was criticizing Massie for is that was criticizing Massie for is that Massie wouldn't accept his invitation to Massie wouldn't accept his invitation to Massie wouldn't accept his invitation to come down to the Hoover building and see come down to the Hoover building and see come down to the Hoover building and see their evidence against Brian.

their evidence against Brian. their evidence against Brian. >> No, no. Dan is working to cover up, >> No, no. Dan is working to cover up, >> No, no. Dan is working to cover up, right, you know, the activities of of right, you know, the activities of of right, you know, the activities of of the permanent government. It's just I I the permanent government. It's just I I the permanent government. It's just I I just I've never seen anyone change that just I've never seen anyone change that just I've never seen anyone change that much or be that afraid. I mean, he much or be that afraid. I mean, he much or be that afraid. I mean, he looked like he was going to have a heart looked like he was going to have a heart looked like he was going to have a heart attack. He was so afraid. And I attack. He was so afraid. And I attack. He was so afraid. And I >> I'm not saying that to attack him, but I >> I'm not saying that to attack him, but I >> I'm not saying that to attack him, but I just wish I knew what happened to him. just wish I knew what happened to him. just wish I knew what happened to him. You haven't heard? You haven't heard? You haven't heard? >> No, I know >> No, I know >> No, I know specifics, specifics, specifics, >> but what I what I do know is that uh he >> but what I what I do know is that uh he >> but what I what I do know is that uh he made two calls to my bosses. Ben made two calls to my bosses. Ben made two calls to my bosses. Ben Williamson made one call. Um, Marshall Williamson made one call. Um, Marshall Williamson made one call. Um, Marshall Yates, who was the congressional liaison Yates, who was the congressional liaison Yates, who was the congressional liaison to the FBI, formerly general counsel to the FBI, formerly general counsel to the FBI, formerly general counsel staffer for Thomas Massie before he went staffer for Thomas Massie before he went staffer for Thomas Massie before he went to FBI, he called my bosses. He to FBI, he called my bosses. He to FBI, he called my bosses. He definitely was trying to get me fired. definitely was trying to get me fired. definitely was trying to get me fired. Uh, Marshall called the White House. He Uh, Marshall called the White House. He Uh, Marshall called the White House. He I mean, he he he called Congress I mean, he he he called Congress I mean, he he he called Congress members. Uh, he did media sources, members. Uh, he did media sources, members. Uh, he did media sources, everything they could to try. And what everything they could to try. And what everything they could to try. And what was your crime again? My crime was was your crime again? My crime was was your crime again? My crime was reporting on Kirkoff.

reporting on Kirkoff. reporting on Kirkoff. And I allegedly And I allegedly And I allegedly was the person that received leaks of was the person that received leaks of was the person that received leaks of both files and technologies from Joe both files and technologies from Joe both files and technologies from Joe Kent, Kent, Kent, the director of national the director of national the director of national counterterrorism. Did you? No, not I counterterrorism. Did you? No, not I counterterrorism. Did you? No, not I mean not in in fact in fact before mean not in in fact in fact before mean not in in fact in fact before before um I left the blaze the week before um I left the blaze the week before um I left the blaze the week before I got a call from Daily Wire before I got a call from Daily Wire before I got a call from Daily Wire reporter Daily Wire 9:30 at night at reporter Daily Wire 9:30 at night at reporter Daily Wire 9:30 at night at home and he said hey I'm calling to home and he said hey I'm calling to home and he said hey I'm calling to comment from you on a story that I've comment from you on a story that I've comment from you on a story that I've got. I said okay hit me. He said I have got. I said okay hit me. He said I have got. I said okay hit me. He said I have three different sources from the three different sources from the three different sources from the intelligence community who say you were intelligence community who say you were intelligence community who say you were the recipient of leaks from Joe Kent. the recipient of leaks from Joe Kent. the recipient of leaks from Joe Kent. And I just busted out laughing in his And I just busted out laughing in his And I just busted out laughing in his face. I said, 'Well, first of all, who face. I said, 'Well, first of all, who face. I said, 'Well, first of all, who are the three sources? I can't tell you are the three sources? I can't tell you are the three sources? I can't tell you that. I said, 'You have three people that. I said, 'You have three people that. I said, 'You have three people from the IC telling you that I received from the IC telling you that I received from the IC telling you that I received technology and leaks from Joe Kent. Yes, technology and leaks from Joe Kent. Yes, technology and leaks from Joe Kent. Yes, that's what I have. 15 minutes, I just that's what I have. 15 minutes, I just that's what I have. 15 minutes, I just went off on him. And he finally went, went off on him. And he finally went, went off on him. And he finally went, "Okay, okay, okay, okay. I believe you. "Okay, okay, okay, okay. I believe you. "Okay, okay, okay, okay. I believe you. I believe you." And then they didn't I believe you." And then they didn't I believe you." And then they didn't publish the story. publish the story. publish the story. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But everybody else did. Reuters did, you >> But everybody else did. Reuters did, you >> But everybody else did. Reuters did, you know, New York Times, everybody else know, New York Times, everybody else know, New York Times, everybody else published stories about it.

published stories about it. published stories about it. >> So, what was Kirkoff's response to your >> So, what was Kirkoff's response to your >> So, what was Kirkoff's response to your piece? piece? piece? >> Uh, was through attorneys. I mean, she >> Uh, was through attorneys. I mean, she >> Uh, was through attorneys. I mean, she has never uh spoken herself until guess has never uh spoken herself until guess has never uh spoken herself until guess what she got? She got the Ray Eps what she got? She got the Ray Eps what she got? She got the Ray Eps treatment from the New York Times treatment from the New York Times treatment from the New York Times and they did the full puff piece on her. and they did the full puff piece on her. and they did the full puff piece on her. They made her into the sympathetic They made her into the sympathetic They made her into the sympathetic figure that I had defamed and falsely figure that I had defamed and falsely figure that I had defamed and falsely accused of being the bomber. And um that accused of being the bomber. And um that accused of being the bomber. And um that reporter called me and I did an hour and reporter called me and I did an hour and reporter called me and I did an hour and a half, the first session and 30 minutes a half, the first session and 30 minutes a half, the first session and 30 minutes of follow-up with that reporter. I went of follow-up with that reporter. I went of follow-up with that reporter. I went through everything. That reporter had no through everything. That reporter had no through everything. That reporter had no idea that she had flunked, you know, the idea that she had flunked, you know, the idea that she had flunked, you know, the the polygraph. I went through tons of the polygraph. I went through tons of the polygraph. I went through tons of evidence and information that we have. evidence and information that we have. evidence and information that we have. >> And so what was her what's I I read >> And so what was her what's I I read >> And so what was her what's I I read somewhere that she said there's video of somewhere that she said there's video of somewhere that she said there's video of me with my dog or my puppy during the me with my dog or my puppy during the me with my dog or my puppy during the hours in question when the planted. hours in question when the planted. hours in question when the planted. Again, we have three sources from the Again, we have three sources from the Again, we have three sources from the FBI who called CBS and told CBS News FBI who called CBS and told CBS News FBI who called CBS and told CBS News that they had uh an alibi video of Miss that they had uh an alibi video of Miss that they had uh an alibi video of Miss Kirkoff on the evening of January 5th Kirkoff on the evening of January 5th Kirkoff on the evening of January 5th while the bomber is running around at while the bomber is running around at while the bomber is running around at RNC and DNC is that she is home and I RNC and DNC is that she is home and I RNC and DNC is that she is home and I quote playing with her puppies. Okay.

quote playing with her puppies. Okay. quote playing with her puppies. Okay. The same three sources from the FBI who The same three sources from the FBI who The same three sources from the FBI who allegedly leaked that to CBS would also allegedly leaked that to CBS would also allegedly leaked that to CBS would also have known at the same time the same day have known at the same time the same day have known at the same time the same day that she flunked the polygraph and they that she flunked the polygraph and they that she flunked the polygraph and they conveniently left that out of the story. conveniently left that out of the story. conveniently left that out of the story. >> Have you seen this video? >> Have you seen this video? >> Have you seen this video? >> No, it doesn't exist as far as we know >> No, it doesn't exist as far as we know >> No, it doesn't exist as far as we know because it has been under they have they because it has been under they have they because it has been under they have they have uh request the the attorneys for have uh request the the attorneys for have uh request the the attorneys for Brian Cole Jr. have requested it under Brian Cole Jr. have requested it under Brian Cole Jr. have requested it under discovery and it's never been turned discovery and it's never been turned discovery and it's never been turned over. [laughter] over. [laughter] over. [laughter] But Clare Lock has changed the story But Clare Lock has changed the story But Clare Lock has changed the story twice now. Clare lock is the most uh twice now. Clare lock is the most uh twice now. Clare lock is the most uh feared defamation law firm in the world feared defamation law firm in the world feared defamation law firm in the world probably. Um they famously represented probably. Um they famously represented probably. Um they famously represented uh uh the voting machine company against uh uh the voting machine company against uh uh the voting machine company against Fox Fox Fox and many other high-profile cases. Not and many other high-profile cases. Not and many other high-profile cases. Not only did they change the story about the only did they change the story about the only did they change the story about the puppy videos twice now because the CBS puppy videos twice now because the CBS puppy videos twice now because the CBS version of the story was that she was version of the story was that she was version of the story was that she was home playing with her puppies. three FBI home playing with her puppies. three FBI home playing with her puppies. three FBI sources. Right. Then sources. Right. Then sources. Right. Then I received the Blaze received and my I received the Blaze received and my I received the Blaze received and my partner Joe Haniman received the demand partner Joe Haniman received the demand partner Joe Haniman received the demand and preservation letter from Clare Lock and preservation letter from Clare Lock and preservation letter from Clare Lock prior to the lawsuit being filed. And in prior to the lawsuit being filed. And in prior to the lawsuit being filed. And in the preservation letter, they changed the preservation letter, they changed the preservation letter, they changed the story to that the video shows her at the story to that the video shows her at the story to that the video shows her at home caring for her dog singular. Now, home caring for her dog singular. Now, home caring for her dog singular. Now, that may not seem like a significant that may not seem like a significant that may not seem like a significant change except for one big reason.

change except for one big reason. change except for one big reason. Immediately after the story came out Immediately after the story came out Immediately after the story came out that she was home playing with her that she was home playing with her that she was home playing with her puppies, what they didn't know is that puppies, what they didn't know is that puppies, what they didn't know is that we had done a dark web scrape of we we had done a dark web scrape of we we had done a dark web scrape of we found her old social media stuff and in found her old social media stuff and in found her old social media stuff and in that we found where she and her partner that we found where she and her partner that we found where she and her partner had adopted an adult greyhound down in had adopted an adult greyhound down in had adopted an adult greyhound down in Florida Florida Florida and brought it home one month before and brought it home one month before and brought it home one month before January 6th. And we also found the uh January 6th. And we also found the uh January 6th. And we also found the uh five-star review that Miss Kirkoff had five-star review that Miss Kirkoff had five-star review that Miss Kirkoff had given her dog sitter dog walker. Um and given her dog sitter dog walker. Um and given her dog sitter dog walker. Um and again references only the one dog, the again references only the one dog, the again references only the one dog, the one adult dog by name. And they didn't one adult dog by name. And they didn't one adult dog by name. And they didn't know that we had been able to find these know that we had been able to find these know that we had been able to find these things. And so as soon as that came out, things. And so as soon as that came out, things. And so as soon as that came out, even though I was under a gag order now even though I was under a gag order now even though I was under a gag order now from the blaze and I couldn't publish from the blaze and I couldn't publish from the blaze and I couldn't publish anything about Miss Kirkoff directly, uh anything about Miss Kirkoff directly, uh anything about Miss Kirkoff directly, uh I released those photos from proxies who I released those photos from proxies who I released those photos from proxies who put it out on the web. So suddenly they put it out on the web. So suddenly they put it out on the web. So suddenly they were embarrassed that it wasn't puppies were embarrassed that it wasn't puppies were embarrassed that it wasn't puppies and three FBI sources, right? These are and three FBI sources, right? These are and three FBI sources, right? These are not people that are going to get the are not people that are going to get the are not people that are going to get the are going to get wrong between puppies and a going to get wrong between puppies and a going to get wrong between puppies and a dog. So it goes from she was playing dog. So it goes from she was playing dog. So it goes from she was playing with her puppies to caring for her dog.

with her puppies to caring for her dog. with her puppies to caring for her dog. And then the lawsuit comes out and the And then the lawsuit comes out and the And then the lawsuit comes out and the lawsuit says, "Well, okay, it wasn't lawsuit says, "Well, okay, it wasn't lawsuit says, "Well, okay, it wasn't either one of those things. There's a either one of those things. There's a either one of those things. There's a video of the dog sleeping on the couch video of the dog sleeping on the couch video of the dog sleeping on the couch and you can hear her voice in the and you can hear her voice in the and you can hear her voice in the background off camera. background off camera. background off camera. And we've only ever seen a screenshot of And we've only ever seen a screenshot of And we've only ever seen a screenshot of the dog on the couch, but nobody has the dog on the couch, but nobody has the dog on the couch, but nobody has seen the video. seen the video. seen the video. Meanwhile, uh you know, there a bunch of Meanwhile, uh you know, there a bunch of Meanwhile, uh you know, there a bunch of news stories attacking you for impuging news stories attacking you for impuging news stories attacking you for impuging her character when there's video her character when there's video her character when there's video evidence proving her innocence, but it evidence proving her innocence, but it evidence proving her innocence, but it turns out to be a little bit more turns out to be a little bit more turns out to be a little bit more complicated than that. I guess complicated than that. I guess complicated than that. I guess >> it's much more complicated than that. I >> it's much more complicated than that. I >> it's much more complicated than that. I mean, f first of all, um Brian Cole is mean, f first of all, um Brian Cole is mean, f first of all, um Brian Cole is not the bomber. Brian Cole cannot be the not the bomber. Brian Cole cannot be the not the bomber. Brian Cole cannot be the bomber. Uh we have a we we there's a bomber. Uh we have a we we there's a bomber. Uh we have a we we there's a we've made famous by his uh his we've made famous by his uh his we've made famous by his uh his pseudonym. His name is Armmitus and he pseudonym. His name is Armmitus and he pseudonym. His name is Armmitus and he is uh a um is uh a um is uh a um also an individual on the spectrum, also an individual on the spectrum, also an individual on the spectrum, highly motivated on the pipe bomb story. highly motivated on the pipe bomb story. highly motivated on the pipe bomb story. He and I met a couple of years ago He and I met a couple of years ago He and I met a couple of years ago through this story and then he began through this story and then he began through this story and then he began working with our team on the video working with our team on the video working with our team on the video examination and he's obsessed with this.

examination and he's obsessed with this. examination and he's obsessed with this. And one of the things that he has been And one of the things that he has been And one of the things that he has been able to discover, and I love his quote, able to discover, and I love his quote, able to discover, and I love his quote, is he says that he says that Brian Cole is he says that he says that Brian Cole is he says that he says that Brian Cole Jr.'s body is his alibi. Jr.'s body is his alibi. Jr.'s body is his alibi. We know because I've been on my hands We know because I've been on my hands We know because I've been on my hands and knees inside Rumsy Court, measured and knees inside Rumsy Court, measured and knees inside Rumsy Court, measured the bricks in the alleyway behind the the bricks in the alleyway behind the the bricks in the alleyway behind the the RNC. the RNC. the RNC. We have a clear shot of the shoe, the We have a clear shot of the shoe, the We have a clear shot of the shoe, the foot that the hoodie bomber is wearing. foot that the hoodie bomber is wearing. foot that the hoodie bomber is wearing. The heel is on the line of a brick. That The heel is on the line of a brick. That The heel is on the line of a brick. That shoe crosses the first brick, the second shoe crosses the first brick, the second shoe crosses the first brick, the second brick, and less than half of the third brick, and less than half of the third brick, and less than half of the third brick. brick. brick. That's a nine to a 9 and a half at the That's a nine to a 9 and a half at the That's a nine to a 9 and a half at the most of that particular shoe. Now, why most of that particular shoe. Now, why most of that particular shoe. Now, why do I know that? It's because I purchased do I know that? It's because I purchased do I know that? It's because I purchased three pairs of that Nike Air Max speed three pairs of that Nike Air Max speed three pairs of that Nike Air Max speed turf shoe. I purchased a 9 and a half, turf shoe. I purchased a 9 and a half, turf shoe. I purchased a 9 and a half, 10 and a half, and a 12. Why did I 10 and a half, and a 12. Why did I 10 and a half, and a 12. Why did I purchase a 12? Because Brian Cole Jr. purchase a 12? Because Brian Cole Jr. purchase a 12? Because Brian Cole Jr. wears a 12. wears a 12. wears a 12. Brian Cole Jr. Brian Cole Jr. Brian Cole Jr. by his mother's own statement could not by his mother's own statement could not by his mother's own statement could not I showed his mother the nine and a half I showed his mother the nine and a half I showed his mother the nine and a half of that shoe. She goes, "Brian ain't of that shoe. She goes, "Brian ain't of that shoe. She goes, "Brian ain't squeezing his big fat foot in that shoe.

squeezing his big fat foot in that shoe. squeezing his big fat foot in that shoe. I have held Brian Cole's shoes in my I have held Brian Cole's shoes in my I have held Brian Cole's shoes in my hands. He wears all of his shoes are hands. He wears all of his shoes are hands. He wears all of his shoes are size 12." size 12." size 12." >> So why did he he confessed though? >> So why did he he confessed though? >> So why did he he confessed though? As I as I mentioned earlier, the the the As I as I mentioned earlier, the the the As I as I mentioned earlier, the the the demographic known for giving the highest demographic known for giving the highest demographic known for giving the highest rate of false confessions to law rate of false confessions to law rate of false confessions to law enforcement are autistic individuals. enforcement are autistic individuals. enforcement are autistic individuals. They had him in an interrogation for 2 They had him in an interrogation for 2 They had him in an interrogation for 2 hours with no attorney present. hours with no attorney present. hours with no attorney present. An autistic they've just scooped him off An autistic they've just scooped him off An autistic they've just scooped him off the street. He was walking his dog or he the street. He was walking his dog or he the street. He was walking his dog or he was he was walking to the 7-Eleven. Not was he was walking to the 7-Eleven. Not was he was walking to the 7-Eleven. Not Not the dog had just recently passed Not the dog had just recently passed Not the dog had just recently passed away. He was walking to the 7-Eleven away. He was walking to the 7-Eleven away. He was walking to the 7-Eleven down the front of his neighborhood. The down the front of his neighborhood. The down the front of his neighborhood. The FBI scooped him up off the street, uh, FBI scooped him up off the street, uh, FBI scooped him up off the street, uh, arrested him, took him in, put him under arrested him, took him in, put him under arrested him, took him in, put him under interrogation. Now, this is a highly OCD interrogation. Now, this is a highly OCD interrogation. Now, this is a highly OCD kid with I mean, he's 5 minutes to kid with I mean, he's 5 minutes to kid with I mean, he's 5 minutes to Wapner. Wapner. Wapner. That's who he is. Okay. Very smart, very That's who he is. Okay. Very smart, very That's who he is. Okay. Very smart, very bright, but very much a creature of bright, but very much a creature of bright, but very much a creature of habit and routine. habit and routine. habit and routine. >> Does Does he have some political motive?

>> Does Does he have some political motive? >> Does Does he have some political motive? Like, what are they saying moved him to Like, what are they saying moved him to Like, what are they saying moved him to do this? Well, what they're saying is is do this? Well, what they're saying is is do this? Well, what they're saying is is that is in conf in his confession that that is in conf in his confession that that is in conf in his confession that he um had taken his cues from the Irish he um had taken his cues from the Irish he um had taken his cues from the Irish troubles. troubles. troubles. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. >> I >> I >> I that's reaction. that's reaction. that's reaction. >> Yes. The Irish troubles was where he was >> Yes. The Irish troubles was where he was >> Yes. The Irish troubles was where he was motivated. And he says or they say that motivated. And he says or they say that motivated. And he says or they say that he said in the confession that he hated he said in the confession that he hated he said in the confession that he hated both the left and the right. he hated both the left and the right. he hated both the left and the right. he hated the both parties and that that's why he the both parties and that that's why he the both parties and that that's why he planted the devices at the RNC and the planted the devices at the RNC and the planted the devices at the RNC and the DNC. There's one problem with that is DNC. There's one problem with that is DNC. There's one problem with that is that there were two other potential drop that there were two other potential drop that there were two other potential drop sites because we know from the video sites because we know from the video sites because we know from the video evidence that one of those sites was the evidence that one of those sites was the evidence that one of those sites was the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Congressional Black Caucus Institute and the bomber changed their mind. Another the bomber changed their mind. Another the bomber changed their mind. Another site was an actual housing unit that site was an actual housing unit that site was an actual housing unit that houses houses houses uh Congress members and Congress staff uh Congress members and Congress staff uh Congress members and Congress staff members. Those were the two other members. Those were the two other members. Those were the two other locations where the bomber stopped and locations where the bomber stopped and locations where the bomber stopped and chose not to and then eventually settled chose not to and then eventually settled chose not to and then eventually settled on the DNC and the RNC.

on the DNC and the RNC. on the DNC and the RNC. Um, Um, Um, as I said, there's so many details and as I said, there's so many details and as I said, there's so many details and they're all running through my mind, but they're all running through my mind, but they're all running through my mind, but I want I want to give you something that I want I want to give you something that I want I want to give you something that we've never released before and I got we've never released before and I got we've never released before and I got permission from the attorneys to give permission from the attorneys to give permission from the attorneys to give this to you. This was something that this to you. This was something that this to you. This was something that Armatas, our video examiner, found Armatas, our video examiner, found Armatas, our video examiner, found is after thousands of hours of watching is after thousands of hours of watching is after thousands of hours of watching these videos of the bomber these videos of the bomber these videos of the bomber walking through Rumsy Court walking through Rumsy Court walking through Rumsy Court for the first time because this this kid for the first time because this this kid for the first time because this this kid he our guy he watches you know the first he our guy he watches you know the first he our guy he watches you know the first time he watches a pixel set then the time he watches a pixel set then the time he watches a pixel set then the next time he watches another pixel set next time he watches another pixel set next time he watches another pixel set and then he's just he's that obsessed and then he's just he's that obsessed and then he's just he's that obsessed with the videos but that that um with the videos but that that um with the videos but that that um obsession led him to finally see a obsession led him to finally see a obsession led him to finally see a smartwatch flash on the bomber's wrist smartwatch flash on the bomber's wrist smartwatch flash on the bomber's wrist after years of watching the same video after years of watching the same video after years of watching the same video over and over and over again and never over and over and over again and never over and over and over again and never noticed it all of a sudden noticed it all of a sudden noticed it all of a sudden the smartwatch flashes. the smartwatch flashes. the smartwatch flashes. This is the January 5th hooded pipe This is the January 5th hooded pipe This is the January 5th hooded pipe bomber. It flashes again. bomber. It flashes again. bomber. It flashes again. He tells us about it. So me and now my He tells us about it. So me and now my He tells us about it. So me and now my whole team, we go all all of us go all whole team, we go all all of us go all whole team, we go all all of us go all in back to the videos again. And in back to the videos again. And in back to the videos again. And suddenly, what we thought were arm suddenly, what we thought were arm suddenly, what we thought were arm stretches and, you know, other motions stretches and, you know, other motions stretches and, you know, other motions that the bomber was just making during that the bomber was just making during that the bomber was just making during the stroll, the stroll, the stroll, the bomber's talking into their wrist at least five times that we can count.

at least five times that we can count. It's one problem with that is Brian Cole It's one problem with that is Brian Cole It's one problem with that is Brian Cole Jr. has never owned a watch, never worn Jr. has never owned a watch, never worn Jr. has never owned a watch, never worn a watch, much less acquired a smartwatch a watch, much less acquired a smartwatch a watch, much less acquired a smartwatch and learned to talk into it on the night and learned to talk into it on the night and learned to talk into it on the night of the distribution of the pipe bombs. We know that for a fact. We know that for a fact. >> Is he pleading guilty in this case? >> Is he pleading guilty in this case? >> Is he pleading guilty in this case? >> Uh, no. Oh, no. In fact, uh, just three >> Uh, no. Oh, no. In fact, uh, just three >> Uh, no. Oh, no. In fact, uh, just three or four weeks ago, there was a or four weeks ago, there was a or four weeks ago, there was a superseding indictment where they jacked superseding indictment where they jacked superseding indictment where they jacked it up, trying to force them into a plea it up, trying to force them into a plea it up, trying to force them into a plea deal. They jacked it up. Uh, they deal. They jacked it up. Uh, they deal. They jacked it up. Uh, they charged him with terrorism and planting charged him with terrorism and planting charged him with terrorism and planting weapons of mass destruction. Basically, weapons of mass destruction. Basically, weapons of mass destruction. Basically, charges that would get him life in charges that would get him life in charges that would get him life in prison if he was convicted, thinking prison if he was convicted, thinking prison if he was convicted, thinking that they would scare him, the family that they would scare him, the family that they would scare him, the family into a plea deal. Because that's into a plea deal. Because that's into a plea deal. Because that's >> even though they weren't bombs. even >> even though they weren't bombs. even >> even though they weren't bombs. even though they weren't bombs. though they weren't bombs. though they weren't bombs. >> And it doesn't seem like he did it. >> And it doesn't seem like he did it. >> And it doesn't seem like he did it. >> And he could not he could not physically >> And he could not he could not physically >> And he could not he could not physically have been the person that did it. He's have been the person that did it. He's have been the person that did it. He's the wrong shoe size. He's the wrong body the wrong shoe size. He's the wrong body the wrong shoe size. He's the wrong body shape. Um he shape. Um he shape. Um he >> can gate recognition tell a man from a >> can gate recognition tell a man from a >> can gate recognition tell a man from a woman. woman. woman. >> Absolutely. Well, it No, it it it can >> Absolutely. Well, it No, it it it can >> Absolutely. Well, it No, it it it can tell the gate and then you can surmise.

tell the gate and then you can surmise. tell the gate and then you can surmise. But you know, most people that have But you know, most people that have But you know, most people that have viewed the videos for years have thought viewed the videos for years have thought viewed the videos for years have thought that it was a female that that it was a female that that it was a female that >> that's what I thought looking at it. But >> that's what I thought looking at it. But >> that's what I thought looking at it. But what do I know? But his, you talk about what do I know? But his, you talk about what do I know? But his, you talk about a guy who we've got video of him walking a guy who we've got video of him walking a guy who we've got video of him walking his gate could not be more antithetical his gate could not be more antithetical his gate could not be more antithetical to the bombers's gate. It's highly, he to the bombers's gate. It's highly, he to the bombers's gate. It's highly, he walks almost like a duckw walk. Yeah. walks almost like a duckw walk. Yeah. walks almost like a duckw walk. Yeah. >> With his butt out and you know he walks >> With his butt out and you know he walks >> With his butt out and you know he walks which is typical of an autistic person, which is typical of an autistic person, which is typical of an autistic person, you know, placing heel first. you know, placing heel first. you know, placing heel first. >> Yeah. Right. and or toe first and you >> Yeah. Right. and or toe first and you >> Yeah. Right. and or toe first and you know and with but but with the feet out know and with but but with the feet out know and with but but with the feet out like this whereas the bomber walks like like this whereas the bomber walks like like this whereas the bomber walks like this with a pigeon toed right foot this with a pigeon toed right foot this with a pigeon toed right foot circumduction circumduction circumduction planting it in front of the left foot. planting it in front of the left foot. planting it in front of the left foot. That's the way the bomber walks. That's the way the bomber walks. That's the way the bomber walks. That's the way Shnie Kirkoff walks. That's the way Shnie Kirkoff walks. That's the way Shnie Kirkoff walks. So what is the Okay, so now you're being So what is the Okay, so now you're being So what is the Okay, so now you're being sued. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't want to sued. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't want to sued. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't want to get ahead. So uh Bryan Jr. had. Now, get ahead. So uh Bryan Jr. had. Now, get ahead. So uh Bryan Jr. had. Now, there's a super superseding indictment there's a super superseding indictment there's a super superseding indictment threatening him with life in prison threatening him with life in prison threatening him with life in prison trying to get him to plea. Is he going trying to get him to plea. Is he going trying to get him to plea. Is he going to plea?

to plea? to plea? >> No. As a matter of fact, at that exact >> No. As a matter of fact, at that exact >> No. As a matter of fact, at that exact hearing, status hearing, uh the defense hearing, status hearing, uh the defense hearing, status hearing, uh the defense attorneys demanded a trial date. attorneys demanded a trial date. attorneys demanded a trial date. >> Is he in jail? >> Is he in jail? >> Is he in jail? >> He's in jail. He's been held in >> He's in jail. He's been held in >> He's in jail. He's been held in pre-trial detention. He's in the general pre-trial detention. He's in the general pre-trial detention. He's in the general population. I thought for sure that they population. I thought for sure that they population. I thought for sure that they would have him in uh isolation for his would have him in uh isolation for his would have him in uh isolation for his own benefit. own benefit. own benefit. I don't think I don't think his own I don't think I don't think his own I don't think I don't think his own benefit plays a role in their benefit plays a role in their benefit plays a role in their calculations. But but he he actually has calculations. But but he he actually has calculations. But but he he actually has a cellmate. a cellmate. a cellmate. Um he is granted access several hours a Um he is granted access several hours a Um he is granted access several hours a day to a tablet. So he is able to day to a tablet. So he is able to day to a tablet. So he is able to communicate with his family through the communicate with his family through the communicate with his family through the tablet. Uh he calls all of his family tablet. Uh he calls all of his family tablet. Uh he calls all of his family members twice a day on, you know, in a members twice a day on, you know, in a members twice a day on, you know, in a in a rigid schedule. Um uh it's just in a rigid schedule. Um uh it's just in a rigid schedule. Um uh it's just bonkers that there have to be I know the bonkers that there have to be I know the bonkers that there have to be I know the people I've spoken to in the federal people I've spoken to in the federal people I've spoken to in the federal government believe that he's falsely government believe that he's falsely government believe that he's falsely charged. charged. charged. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And these are sober, you know, these are >> And these are sober, you know, these are >> And these are sober, you know, these are real people. um this is not on Twitter, real people. um this is not on Twitter, real people. um this is not on Twitter, this is real life and they think he's this is real life and they think he's this is real life and they think he's falsely charged. But it's there have to falsely charged. But it's there have to falsely charged. But it's there have to be people in federal law enforcement who be people in federal law enforcement who be people in federal law enforcement who agree with that and yet they're going agree with that and yet they're going agree with that and yet they're going along with it anyway.

along with it anyway. along with it anyway. >> Well, they're not. As a matter of fact, >> Well, they're not. As a matter of fact, >> Well, they're not. As a matter of fact, the there was a new whistleblower that the there was a new whistleblower that the there was a new whistleblower that came forward as direct result of this came forward as direct result of this came forward as direct result of this case, case, case, an FBI whistleblower that I mentioned an FBI whistleblower that I mentioned an FBI whistleblower that I mentioned earlier. This whistleblower FBI agent earlier. This whistleblower FBI agent earlier. This whistleblower FBI agent lives lives lives just down the street from the Cole just down the street from the Cole just down the street from the Cole family. family. family. This whistleblower has lived in the This whistleblower has lived in the This whistleblower has lived in the neighborhood for 10 years. Has seen neighborhood for 10 years. Has seen neighborhood for 10 years. Has seen Brian Cole Jr. walking his dog twice a Brian Cole Jr. walking his dog twice a Brian Cole Jr. walking his dog twice a day, three times a day, him and his day, three times a day, him and his day, three times a day, him and his wife, hundreds, thousands of times over wife, hundreds, thousands of times over wife, hundreds, thousands of times over 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. He and he came forward because of this He and he came forward because of this He and he came forward because of this case. I've interviewed the case. I've interviewed the case. I've interviewed the whistleblower. He told me, and I quote, whistleblower. He told me, and I quote, whistleblower. He told me, and I quote, he said, "Nobody in my shop is buying he said, "Nobody in my shop is buying he said, "Nobody in my shop is buying this arrest." this arrest." this arrest." >> What are they suing you for? >> What are they suing you for? >> What are they suing you for? >> Uh, well, defamation, >> Uh, well, defamation, >> Uh, well, defamation, >> right? But what what are the damages? >> right? But what what are the damages? >> right? But what what are the damages? >> The No, there's been no stated number >> The No, there's been no stated number >> The No, there's been no stated number yet uh at all. I mean, to be honest with yet uh at all. I mean, to be honest with yet uh at all. I mean, to be honest with you, the 127 page lawsuit, I got through you, the 127 page lawsuit, I got through you, the 127 page lawsuit, I got through 30 pages with my highlighter 30 pages with my highlighter 30 pages with my highlighter and I had to stop. I I mean, I just gave and I had to stop. I I mean, I just gave and I had to stop. I I mean, I just gave up. It's one lie, falsehood after the up. It's one lie, falsehood after the up. It's one lie, falsehood after the other. In fact, they are making stuff other. In fact, they are making stuff other. In fact, they are making stuff up. I mean, making stuff up that don't up. I mean, making stuff up that don't up. I mean, making stuff up that don't that doesn't exist. And see, I haven't that doesn't exist. And see, I haven't that doesn't exist. And see, I haven't we haven't gotten to the part part yet we haven't gotten to the part part yet we haven't gotten to the part part yet where I get to see discovery, where we where I get to see discovery, where we where I get to see discovery, where we get to subpoena information. We haven't get to subpoena information. We haven't get to subpoena information. We haven't got there yet. It's all brand new. Um, got there yet. It's all brand new. Um, got there yet. It's all brand new. Um, but the law firm that represents coal but the law firm that represents coal but the law firm that represents coal is now representing me.

is now representing me. is now representing me. So, they have the coal discovery. I So, they have the coal discovery. I So, they have the coal discovery. I still can't see it, but what they have still can't see it, but what they have still can't see it, but what they have informed me is is that we have nothing informed me is is that we have nothing informed me is is that we have nothing to worry about. I want to ask you one last question. Um, I want to ask you one last question. Um, it came to my attention several months it came to my attention several months it came to my attention several months ago when I was hearing this story from ago when I was hearing this story from ago when I was hearing this story from someone in the from a couple people in someone in the from a couple people in someone in the from a couple people in the US government who are very upset the US government who are very upset the US government who are very upset about it. Uh, not because they're about it. Uh, not because they're about it. Uh, not because they're partisans one way or the other, but partisans one way or the other, but partisans one way or the other, but because they're human beings who are because they're human beings who are because they're human beings who are decent people and believe in justice and decent people and believe in justice and decent people and believe in justice and like like like not hurting the innocent. um that there not hurting the innocent. um that there not hurting the innocent. um that there there were people in the government who there were people in the government who there were people in the government who believed, career people including who believed, career people including who believed, career people including who believed that this was totally crazy, believed that this was totally crazy, believed that this was totally crazy, that you were right, that you're you're that you were right, that you're you're that you were right, that you're you're the one being defamed and um that Brian the one being defamed and um that Brian the one being defamed and um that Brian Cole has been falsely charged and one of Cole has been falsely charged and one of Cole has been falsely charged and one of them worked for the Department of them worked for the Department of them worked for the Department of Homeland Security and is now dead. Homeland Security and is now dead. Homeland Security and is now dead. Uh this is a story that I heard from a Uh this is a story that I heard from a Uh this is a story that I heard from a couple of different people who were very couple of different people who were very couple of different people who were very upset about it. I don't think this has upset about it. I don't think this has upset about it. I don't think this has ever been written about in public. No.

ever been written about in public. No. ever been written about in public. No. >> Are you familiar with what I'm talking >> Are you familiar with what I'm talking >> Are you familiar with what I'm talking about? And if so, tell me what you know about? And if so, tell me what you know about? And if so, tell me what you know about this. about this. about this. >> Uh, we've are deeply involved in the >> Uh, we've are deeply involved in the >> Uh, we've are deeply involved in the investigation. We have not written about investigation. We have not written about investigation. We have not written about it yet because we don't have final um it yet because we don't have final um it yet because we don't have final um conclusions, but this conclusions, but this conclusions, but this >> we don't use names and you can just I I >> we don't use names and you can just I I >> we don't use names and you can just I I won't I won't mention his name. Um, so won't I won't mention his name. Um, so won't I won't mention his name. Um, so you may not know this, but I had acute you may not know this, but I had acute you may not know this, but I had acute heart failure the Sunday before heart failure the Sunday before heart failure the Sunday before Christmas the Friday. Christmas the Friday. Christmas the Friday. >> No, I didn't know that. The Friday. So, >> No, I didn't know that. The Friday. So, >> No, I didn't know that. The Friday. So, this was the Sunday before Christmas. On this was the Sunday before Christmas. On this was the Sunday before Christmas. On Friday, Friday, Friday, that night, I was in Rumsy Court on my that night, I was in Rumsy Court on my that night, I was in Rumsy Court on my hands and knees with a tape measure hands and knees with a tape measure hands and knees with a tape measure measuring those bricks, the very bricks measuring those bricks, the very bricks measuring those bricks, the very bricks that the hooded bomber stepped on. I'm that the hooded bomber stepped on. I'm that the hooded bomber stepped on. I'm measuring that uh the bricks. Saturday measuring that uh the bricks. Saturday measuring that uh the bricks. Saturday morning, I'm over at the DNC measuring morning, I'm over at the DNC measuring morning, I'm over at the DNC measuring the sidewalk and the pavement there to the sidewalk and the pavement there to the sidewalk and the pavement there to compare so we could establish an exact compare so we could establish an exact compare so we could establish an exact or as close to an exact shoe size as we or as close to an exact shoe size as we or as close to an exact shoe size as we could of the hooded bomber.

could of the hooded bomber. could of the hooded bomber. At lunchtime on Friday, before I did At lunchtime on Friday, before I did At lunchtime on Friday, before I did that, I got a call from a member of the that, I got a call from a member of the that, I got a call from a member of the intelligence community intelligence community intelligence community decades. decades. decades. He said, "We have to meet. We have to He said, "We have to meet. We have to He said, "We have to meet. We have to meet now." Okay. So, we met. He picked a meet now." Okay. So, we met. He picked a meet now." Okay. So, we met. He picked a place and I met him there. First thing place and I met him there. First thing place and I met him there. First thing he did is he took my phone away and he did is he took my phone away and he did is he took my phone away and threw it in his briefcase, which is a threw it in his briefcase, which is a threw it in his briefcase, which is a Faraday cage briefcase. Faraday cage briefcase. Faraday cage briefcase. And then he slid a card across the And then he slid a card across the And then he slid a card across the table. He said, "Do you know who that table. He said, "Do you know who that table. He said, "Do you know who that is?" And I looked at the name on the is?" And I looked at the name on the is?" And I looked at the name on the card. I said, "Yeah, of course." And he card. I said, "Yeah, of course." And he card. I said, "Yeah, of course." And he grabbed the card back and he said, "Um, grabbed the card back and he said, "Um, grabbed the card back and he said, "Um, he was found dead the day before he was found dead the day before he was found dead the day before Thanksgiving." Thanksgiving." Thanksgiving." Now, my last conversation with the name Now, my last conversation with the name Now, my last conversation with the name on that card was October 29th. on that card was October 29th. on that card was October 29th. And when I took this case to ODNI, And when I took this case to ODNI, And when I took this case to ODNI, as we said before, because OD and I and as we said before, because OD and I and as we said before, because OD and I and the members of the dig who were going to the members of the dig who were going to the members of the dig who were going to look into this had determined that they look into this had determined that they look into this had determined that they didn't trust the FBI either on this didn't trust the FBI either on this didn't trust the FBI either on this case, especially this case. And so they case, especially this case. And so they case, especially this case. And so they were going to take it to HSI, Homeland were going to take it to HSI, Homeland were going to take it to HSI, Homeland Security Investigations. The Security Investigations. The Security Investigations. The relationships that they had is they had relationships that they had is they had relationships that they had is they had a liaison partnership with all of the a liaison partnership with all of the a liaison partnership with all of the intellig That's what the dig is. The dig intellig That's what the dig is. The dig intellig That's what the dig is. The dig had reached out to all of the 18 federal had reached out to all of the 18 federal had reached out to all of the 18 federal intelligence agency. Yeah.

intelligence agency. Yeah. intelligence agency. Yeah. >> And and got one of the good guys or two >> And and got one of the good guys or two >> And and got one of the good guys or two of the good guys from each, you know, of the good guys from each, you know, of the good guys from each, you know, agency to come in and work with them. agency to come in and work with them. agency to come in and work with them. Not deep stator vetted in that manner. Not deep stator vetted in that manner. Not deep stator vetted in that manner. This is an individual who was vetted to This is an individual who was vetted to This is an individual who was vetted to not be a deep stater. not be a deep stater. not be a deep stater. >> 19 years career with HSI, senior agent >> 19 years career with HSI, senior agent >> 19 years career with HSI, senior agent over there. They called him in. They over there. They called him in. They over there. They called him in. They briefed him on the entire case. briefed him on the entire case. briefed him on the entire case. Introduced me to him. Introduced me to him. Introduced me to him. Then in late October, early November, he Then in late October, early November, he Then in late October, early November, he sat down with a team again of sat down with a team again of sat down with a team again of individuals that I will not name. I know individuals that I will not name. I know individuals that I will not name. I know who they were and I knew who was I know who they were and I knew who was I know who they were and I knew who was I know who was at the conference table and he who was at the conference table and he who was at the conference table and he briefed them on how he was going to briefed them on how he was going to briefed them on how he was going to pursue this case, pursue this case, pursue this case, what technologies he was going to use, what technologies he was going to use, what technologies he was going to use, um the [clears throat] other personnel um the [clears throat] other personnel um the [clears throat] other personnel that he was going to bring into this to that he was going to bring into this to that he was going to bring into this to pursue this case. And as I said, my last pursue this case. And as I said, my last pursue this case. And as I said, my last conversation with him was on the conversation with him was on the >> [clears throat] >> um 29th of October. One of these people >> um 29th of October. One of these people >> um 29th of October. One of these people that I know of had their last confir that I know of had their last confir that I know of had their last confir conversation with him on November 10th.

conversation with him on November 10th. conversation with him on November 10th. And then his girlfriend found him dead And then his girlfriend found him dead And then his girlfriend found him dead in his condo on the 26th of November, in his condo on the 26th of November, in his condo on the 26th of November, the day before Thanksgiving. the day before Thanksgiving. the day before Thanksgiving. And this longtime IC And this longtime IC And this longtime IC um [clears throat] um [clears throat] um [clears throat] operative had tears streaming down his operative had tears streaming down his operative had tears streaming down his face as he's talking about this and face as he's talking about this and face as he's talking about this and explaining to me what they've heard. And explaining to me what they've heard. And explaining to me what they've heard. And he said, "Of course, the rumor is he said, "Of course, the rumor is he said, "Of course, the rumor is obviously that he committed suicide." obviously that he committed suicide." obviously that he committed suicide." And he said, "None of us believe it. And he said, "None of us believe it. And he said, "None of us believe it. None of us that knew him and were close None of us that knew him and were close None of us that knew him and were close to him, were friends with him, believe to him, were friends with him, believe to him, were friends with him, believe that this was a suicide." that this was a suicide." that this was a suicide." And uh And uh And uh >> what did the medical examiner say? >> what did the medical examiner say? >> what did the medical examiner say? >> Still no report from the medical >> Still no report from the medical >> Still no report from the medical examiner. We actually on our team examiner. We actually on our team examiner. We actually on our team >> was over six 7 months ago. Yeah, we we >> was over six 7 months ago. Yeah, we we >> was over six 7 months ago. Yeah, we we have a we have a um uh a member of my have a we have a um uh a member of my have a we have a um uh a member of my you know my team who is a uh retired you know my team who is a uh retired you know my team who is a uh retired 25-y year FBI vet and a veteran and he 25-y year FBI vet and a veteran and he 25-y year FBI vet and a veteran and he uh uh now private investigator who we uh uh now private investigator who we uh uh now private investigator who we retained and he actually went to the retained and he actually went to the retained and he actually went to the Fairfax County Police Department and Fairfax County Police Department and Fairfax County Police Department and spoke to the lead detective on this case spoke to the lead detective on this case spoke to the lead detective on this case and in that situation the detective and in that situation the detective and in that situation the detective didn't give up anything any information didn't give up anything any information didn't give up anything any information whatsoever except that there still was whatsoever except that there still was whatsoever except that there still was no report from the medical examiner And no report from the medical examiner And no report from the medical examiner And uh that was back in February. And then uh that was back in February. And then uh that was back in February. And then more recently, just in the last few more recently, just in the last few more recently, just in the last few days, we have it confirmed. There's days, we have it confirmed. There's days, we have it confirmed. There's still no report. We have foyed that still no report. We have foyed that still no report. We have foyed that information. It they've ignored it.

information. It they've ignored it. information. It they've ignored it. Fairfax County Police Department has Fairfax County Police Department has Fairfax County Police Department has completely ignored us on that foyer. Um completely ignored us on that foyer. Um completely ignored us on that foyer. Um are they allowed to do that? are they allowed to do that? are they allowed to do that? Technically, no, but you know, they do Technically, no, but you know, they do Technically, no, but you know, they do it all the time. Law enforcement it all the time. Law enforcement it all the time. Law enforcement agencies around DC. [clears throat] agencies around DC. [clears throat] agencies around DC. [clears throat] They're famous for that. That's why like They're famous for that. That's why like They're famous for that. That's why like Judicial Watch has to sue them. And then Judicial Watch has to sue them. And then Judicial Watch has to sue them. And then you get you get the body cams like you you get you get the body cams like you you get you get the body cams like you know Tom Fitton just got the body cams know Tom Fitton just got the body cams know Tom Fitton just got the body cams from uh January 6 5 years five and a from uh January 6 5 years five and a from uh January 6 5 years five and a half years later but he had to wait you half years later but he had to wait you half years later but he had to wait you know 3 years or two years of lawsuits to know 3 years or two years of lawsuits to know 3 years or two years of lawsuits to get certain of these body cams released. get certain of these body cams released. get certain of these body cams released. And that's just the way they are. They And that's just the way they are. They And that's just the way they are. They they stonewall you until you have to they stonewall you until you have to they stonewall you until you have to beat them in court. And so, um, beat them in court. And so, um, beat them in court. And so, um, here's what we also know about this here's what we also know about this here's what we also know about this because we have done a tremendous amount because we have done a tremendous amount because we have done a tremendous amount of investigation ourselves into this of investigation ourselves into this of investigation ourselves into this HSI, uh, agent's death. Uh, HSI, uh, agent's death. Uh, HSI, uh, agent's death. Uh, in January, in January, in January, I'm only 3 weeks after my acute heart I'm only 3 weeks after my acute heart I'm only 3 weeks after my acute heart failure, and I call up my cardiologist failure, and I call up my cardiologist failure, and I call up my cardiologist and say, "I got to go to DC." and say, "I got to go to DC." and say, "I got to go to DC." He's like, "I don't want you traveling He's like, "I don't want you traveling He's like, "I don't want you traveling yet." He said, "You're not flying yet." He said, "You're not flying yet." He said, "You're not flying there?" I said, "No, I'm on the drive."

there?" I said, "No, I'm on the drive." there?" I said, "No, I'm on the drive." He said, 'All right, be careful. Take it He said, 'All right, be careful. Take it He said, 'All right, be careful. Take it easy, whatever. I beline it straight to easy, whatever. I beline it straight to easy, whatever. I beline it straight to the condo where the condo where the condo where this individual was found dead. this individual was found dead. this individual was found dead. As I get there, I'm pretending like I'm As I get there, I'm pretending like I'm As I get there, I'm pretending like I'm a real estate buyer. I'm pretending like a real estate buyer. I'm pretending like a real estate buyer. I'm pretending like I'm interested in purchasing this condo. I'm interested in purchasing this condo. I'm interested in purchasing this condo. As I get there and going through the As I get there and going through the As I get there and going through the sherrod of being, you know, somebody in sherrod of being, you know, somebody in sherrod of being, you know, somebody in the market for a house, I walk up on the the market for a house, I walk up on the the market for a house, I walk up on the guy that's moving into the condo where guy that's moving into the condo where guy that's moving into the condo where this agent had died. They they've sold this agent had died. They they've sold this agent had died. They they've sold it. The house has been the condo has it. The house has been the condo has it. The house has been the condo has been sold. So, the guy's move he's been sold. So, the guy's move he's been sold. So, the guy's move he's carrying boxes in. And I said, "Oh, carrying boxes in. And I said, "Oh, carrying boxes in. And I said, "Oh, you're moving into unit blah blah blah." you're moving into unit blah blah blah." you're moving into unit blah blah blah." And he said, "Yeah." He goes, "I just And he said, "Yeah." He goes, "I just And he said, "Yeah." He goes, "I just closed on it last week." I said, "Oh, closed on it last week." I said, "Oh, closed on it last week." I said, "Oh, darn it." You know, I was looking at darn it." You know, I was looking at darn it." You know, I was looking at that. I was here a couple weeks ago. And that. I was here a couple weeks ago. And that. I was here a couple weeks ago. And uh he he said, "Yeah." So he said, uh he he said, "Yeah." So he said, uh he he said, "Yeah." So he said, "There's a unit below me, you know." He "There's a unit below me, you know." He "There's a unit below me, you know." He said, "So he took me down there. He said, "So he took me down there. He said, "So he took me down there. He showed me another one that was on the showed me another one that was on the showed me another one that was on the market right there." And he said, "I market right there." And he said, "I market right there." And he said, "I think it's the same agent." Said, "Thank think it's the same agent." Said, "Thank think it's the same agent." Said, "Thank you." So we shook hands. And then as you." So we shook hands. And then as you." So we shook hands. And then as we're going, he's going back to the we're going, he's going back to the we're going, he's going back to the parking lot to get another uh load of parking lot to get another uh load of parking lot to get another uh load of boxes. And I'm going to my car. I pulled boxes. And I'm going to my car. I pulled boxes. And I'm going to my car. I pulled the Columbbo on him and I went, "Oh, oh, the Columbbo on him and I went, "Oh, oh, the Columbbo on him and I went, "Oh, oh, by the way, I got one more question for by the way, I got one more question for by the way, I got one more question for you." And I walked over to him again and you." And I walked over to him again and you." And I walked over to him again and I said, 'I heard when I was here a I said, 'I heard when I was here a I said, 'I heard when I was here a couple of weeks ago that there was couple of weeks ago that there was couple of weeks ago that there was something weird that happened in that something weird that happened in that something weird that happened in that unit. He goes, "Yeah." He said, 'I was unit. He goes, "Yeah." He said, 'I was unit. He goes, "Yeah." He said, 'I was told that the previous owner was told that the previous owner was told that the previous owner was murdered.

I was told he was murdered. And that's I was told he was murdered. And that's an exact quote. an exact quote. an exact quote. I was not expecting to hear that. And he I was not expecting to hear that. And he I was not expecting to hear that. And he caught me off guard. I mean, I was I was caught me off guard. I mean, I was I was caught me off guard. I mean, I was I was like, I like, I like, I that answer took me off my game. And so that answer took me off my game. And so that answer took me off my game. And so I didn't ask the obvious follow-up I didn't ask the obvious follow-up I didn't ask the obvious follow-up question was, "Who told you that?" Now, question was, "Who told you that?" Now, question was, "Who told you that?" Now, I would imagine it was a neighbor. I would imagine it was a neighbor. I would imagine it was a neighbor. Obviously, there's a death in there, Obviously, there's a death in there, Obviously, there's a death in there, suspicious death. They're going to tape suspicious death. They're going to tape suspicious death. They're going to tape off the scene. These condos are very off the scene. These condos are very off the scene. These condos are very close and tightly wrapped, you know, close and tightly wrapped, you know, close and tightly wrapped, you know, around each other. Uh they would have around each other. Uh they would have around each other. Uh they would have interviewed all of the neighbors for, interviewed all of the neighbors for, interviewed all of the neighbors for, you know, to see who they heard you know, to see who they heard you know, to see who they heard anything, saw anything. All of that anything, saw anything. All of that anything, saw anything. All of that would have happened. So, I can only would have happened. So, I can only would have happened. So, I can only imagine and surmise that one of the imagine and surmise that one of the imagine and surmise that one of the neighbors probably was told by a young neighbors probably was told by a young neighbors probably was told by a young cop doing the, you know, surveillance cop doing the, you know, surveillance cop doing the, you know, surveillance that this guy's over here was killed or that this guy's over here was killed or that this guy's over here was killed or murdered or whatever. Um, we know, we murdered or whatever. Um, we know, we murdered or whatever. Um, we know, we have learned since then that it was a have learned since then that it was a have learned since then that it was a gunshot to the head and um, it was his gunshot to the head and um, it was his gunshot to the head and um, it was his girlfriend that found the body. There's girlfriend that found the body. There's girlfriend that found the body. There's been no publicity. There's never been been no publicity. There's never been been no publicity. There's never been anything on the police about this. The anything on the police about this. The anything on the police about this. The family did not issue an obituary. The family did not issue an obituary. The family did not issue an obituary. The only thing that I have in my possession only thing that I have in my possession only thing that I have in my possession of evidence, solid evidence of his death of evidence, solid evidence of his death of evidence, solid evidence of his death or two things actually, is that the his or two things actually, is that the his or two things actually, is that the his body was cremated on December 19th, 3 body was cremated on December 19th, 3 body was cremated on December 19th, 3 weeks later weeks later weeks later before before before the medical examiner's report, before the medical examiner's report, before the medical examiner's report, before cause of death is issued.

cause of death is issued. cause of death is issued. And so there's a cremation report. We And so there's a cremation report. We And so there's a cremation report. We found that. And then we also found the found that. And then we also found the found that. And then we also found the or I was given the internal memo that or I was given the internal memo that or I was given the internal memo that HSI put out to all of their employees, HSI put out to all of their employees, HSI put out to all of their employees, you know, talking about the, you know, you know, talking about the, you know, you know, talking about the, you know, their colleague who had passed away their colleague who had passed away their colleague who had passed away suddenly and that there were going to be suddenly and that there were going to be suddenly and that there were going to be a memorial, you know, get together at a a memorial, you know, get together at a a memorial, you know, get together at a bar for, you know, celebration of life bar for, you know, celebration of life bar for, you know, celebration of life memorial. And um then since then, I have memorial. And um then since then, I have memorial. And um then since then, I have also uh through my other sources in the also uh through my other sources in the also uh through my other sources in the IC have had questions asked within the IC have had questions asked within the IC have had questions asked within the Fairfax County Department. They've all Fairfax County Department. They've all Fairfax County Department. They've all been stonewalled. they've all been, you been stonewalled. they've all been, you been stonewalled. they've all been, you know, stiff armed away from this know, stiff armed away from this know, stiff armed away from this discussion. Nobody will talk to them discussion. Nobody will talk to them discussion. Nobody will talk to them about it. And um we don't know. So the about it. And um we don't know. So the about it. And um we don't know. So the reason why we've not gone forward with a reason why we've not gone forward with a reason why we've not gone forward with a story about this is there's just way too story about this is there's just way too story about this is there's just way too many things to, you know, there elements many things to, you know, there elements many things to, you know, there elements missing from this to make a conclusion. missing from this to make a conclusion. missing from this to make a conclusion. But the bottom line is is the guy within But the bottom line is is the guy within But the bottom line is is the guy within the community with the power and the the community with the power and the the community with the power and the investigative authority and the tools investigative authority and the tools investigative authority and the tools and the personnel to investigate this and the personnel to investigate this and the personnel to investigate this case case case is dead.

is dead. is dead. That's the facts. That's the facts. That's the facts. What a story. What a story. What a story. I appreciate you taking all this time to I appreciate you taking all this time to I appreciate you taking all this time to tell it. I think it's important to get tell it. I think it's important to get tell it. I think it's important to get it on tape. it on tape. it on tape. >> We needed to. >> We needed to. >> We needed to. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> It's like a dead man switch if you know >> It's like a dead man switch if you know >> It's like a dead man switch if you know what I mean. Yeah, I do. Steve Baker, what I mean. Yeah, I do. Steve Baker, what I mean. Yeah, I do. Steve Baker, thank you very much and Godspeed. thank you very much and Godspeed. thank you very much and Godspeed. >> Thank you, Tucker. >> Thank you, Tucker. >> Thank you, Tucker. >> Thanks for joining us tonight. See you >> Thanks for joining us tonight. See you >> Thanks for joining us tonight. See you next Wednesday.