Whistleblower Reveals the Largest Mass Surveillance Operation in History and the Coming Slave State

If you're over 40, you probably were If you're over 40, you probably were assigned the George Orwell novel 1984. assigned the George Orwell novel 1984. assigned the George Orwell novel 1984. Not written in 1984, written in 1949, Not written in 1984, written in 1949, Not written in 1984, written in 1949, right after the Second World War. And it right after the Second World War. And it right after the Second World War. And it is famously a picture of the dystopian is famously a picture of the dystopian is famously a picture of the dystopian future where the state controls future where the state controls future where the state controls everything. And if you can think back, everything. And if you can think back, everything. And if you can think back, the novel not quite as widely assigned the novel not quite as widely assigned the novel not quite as widely assigned now. Your kids are probably not reading now. Your kids are probably not reading now. Your kids are probably not reading it. If you're under 40, you may not know it. If you're under 40, you may not know it. If you're under 40, you may not know exactly what it is, except it's like a exactly what it is, except it's like a exactly what it is, except it's like a synonym for the state being overbearing. synonym for the state being overbearing. synonym for the state being overbearing. Big brother is watching you, but it's Big brother is watching you, but it's Big brother is watching you, but it's worth remembering what 1984 describes worth remembering what 1984 describes worth remembering what 1984 describes because it is so so preient. It does not because it is so so preient. It does not because it is so so preient. It does not describe a lot of physical repression by describe a lot of physical repression by describe a lot of physical repression by the state. In the end, there is torture the state. In the end, there is torture the state. In the end, there is torture and there are illusions to killing, but and there are illusions to killing, but and there are illusions to killing, but the state in 1984 doesn't spend a lot of the state in 1984 doesn't spend a lot of the state in 1984 doesn't spend a lot of time putting gun barrels in people's time putting gun barrels in people's time putting gun barrels in people's faces. It doesn't need to. What it does faces. It doesn't need to. What it does faces. It doesn't need to. What it does instead is spy on them. There are instead is spy on them. There are instead is spy on them. There are cameras everywhere. In 1984, something cameras everywhere. In 1984, something cameras everywhere. In 1984, something called the telescreen, called the telescreen, called the telescreen, which when the novel came out in 1949, which when the novel came out in 1949, which when the novel came out in 1949, seemed very space age. It was a screen seemed very space age. It was a screen seemed very space age. It was a screen and it listened while you spoke. It and it listened while you spoke. It and it listened while you spoke. It easedropped on you and it bombarded you easedropped on you and it bombarded you easedropped on you and it bombarded you with pre-recorded propaganda messages.

with pre-recorded propaganda messages. with pre-recorded propaganda messages. And again, when this came out, it was And again, when this came out, it was And again, when this came out, it was impossible to imagine, say, the iPhone, impossible to imagine, say, the iPhone, impossible to imagine, say, the iPhone, which is listening to you at all times, which is listening to you at all times, which is listening to you at all times, or one of those seatback screens on or one of those seatback screens on or one of those seatback screens on Delta Airlines that's yelling at you Delta Airlines that's yelling at you Delta Airlines that's yelling at you without your permission about some without your permission about some without your permission about some credit card deal. credit card deal. credit card deal. No one reading 1984 when it first came No one reading 1984 when it first came No one reading 1984 when it first came out had any reference point for this out had any reference point for this out had any reference point for this level of surveillance. There was level of surveillance. There was level of surveillance. There was famously a guy called Jeremy Bentham who famously a guy called Jeremy Bentham who famously a guy called Jeremy Bentham who was a liberal reformer in the 19th was a liberal reformer in the 19th was a liberal reformer in the 19th century who had the like greatest idea century who had the like greatest idea century who had the like greatest idea in the history of human progress called in the history of human progress called in the history of human progress called the panopticon. And the idea was we're the panopticon. And the idea was we're the panopticon. And the idea was we're going to build prisons going to build prisons going to build prisons with a round design so one officer can with a round design so one officer can with a round design so one officer can see everybody in the prison. All the see everybody in the prison. All the see everybody in the prison. All the cells will be open and one guy can see cells will be open and one guy can see cells will be open and one guy can see everybody. everybody. everybody. And of course he can't see everyone at And of course he can't see everyone at And of course he can't see everyone at once, but inmates will never know when once, but inmates will never know when once, but inmates will never know when he's looking. So they'll know at all he's looking. So they'll know at all he's looking. So they'll know at all times that they could be under times that they could be under times that they could be under surveillance and that will compel them surveillance and that will compel them surveillance and that will compel them to obey. They'll be a lot more obedient to obey. They'll be a lot more obedient to obey. They'll be a lot more obedient once they suspect we're watching. That once they suspect we're watching. That once they suspect we're watching. That was the whole idea of the panopticon was the whole idea of the panopticon was the whole idea of the panopticon meaning see anywhere.

meaning see anywhere. meaning see anywhere. So apart from that kind of kooky So apart from that kind of kooky So apart from that kind of kooky supposedly well-meaning but actually supposedly well-meaning but actually supposedly well-meaning but actually totalitarian theory of Jeremy Benthams, totalitarian theory of Jeremy Benthams, totalitarian theory of Jeremy Benthams, nobody had really constructed a state nobody had really constructed a state nobody had really constructed a state capable of watching or listening to capable of watching or listening to capable of watching or listening to everything that people did because the everything that people did because the everything that people did because the technology wasn't there. You just technology wasn't there. You just technology wasn't there. You just couldn't do it until 1984. And it couldn't do it until 1984. And it couldn't do it until 1984. And it painted once again a pretty accurate painted once again a pretty accurate painted once again a pretty accurate prediction as it turned out of what the prediction as it turned out of what the prediction as it turned out of what the future was going to look like. But future was going to look like. But future was going to look like. But what's interesting, there's a scene in what's interesting, there's a scene in what's interesting, there's a scene in there where the protagonist in the there where the protagonist in the there where the protagonist in the novel, without being boring about it, novel, without being boring about it, novel, without being boring about it, but guy called Winston Smith, meets but guy called Winston Smith, meets but guy called Winston Smith, meets another person and has a kind of another person and has a kind of another person and has a kind of low-grade love affair with this woman low-grade love affair with this woman low-grade love affair with this woman called Julia. called Julia. called Julia. And the reason this is notable in the And the reason this is notable in the And the reason this is notable in the book is because there are very few love book is because there are very few love book is because there are very few love affairs in 1984 or in a world with this affairs in 1984 or in a world with this affairs in 1984 or in a world with this kind of surveillance because they're kind of surveillance because they're kind of surveillance because they're impossible. impossible. impossible. One of the things you learn when you One of the things you learn when you One of the things you learn when you lose your privacy is that you can't have lose your privacy is that you can't have lose your privacy is that you can't have intimacy without it. Intim intimacy is intimacy without it. Intim intimacy is intimacy without it. Intim intimacy is by definition exclusive. by definition exclusive. by definition exclusive. It is a relationship between a very It is a relationship between a very It is a relationship between a very small number, usually two people. You small number, usually two people. You small number, usually two people. You can't have an intimate DMV line can't have an intimate DMV line can't have an intimate DMV line or concert. Your bedroom, you hope, is or concert. Your bedroom, you hope, is or concert. Your bedroom, you hope, is intimate. And that's because not intimate. And that's because not intimate. And that's because not everyone's invited. So without privacy, everyone's invited. So without privacy, everyone's invited. So without privacy, there is no intimacy. People can't say there is no intimacy. People can't say there is no intimacy. People can't say what they really think. People are what they really think. People are what they really think. People are afraid that everyone can hear what afraid that everyone can hear what afraid that everyone can hear what they're saying, and so they don't say they're saying, and so they don't say they're saying, and so they don't say it. and after a while they don't think it. and after a while they don't think it. and after a while they don't think it.

it. it. So the main takeaway from the novel is So the main takeaway from the novel is So the main takeaway from the novel is you don't need to beat people or shoot you don't need to beat people or shoot you don't need to beat people or shoot them to get them to comply. You only them to get them to comply. You only them to get them to comply. You only need to spy on them and then tell them need to spy on them and then tell them need to spy on them and then tell them that you're spying on them and they will that you're spying on them and they will that you're spying on them and they will know that they have to constrain their know that they have to constrain their know that they have to constrain their own behavior. They will be so terrified own behavior. They will be so terrified own behavior. They will be so terrified and alone, so completely isolated that and alone, so completely isolated that and alone, so completely isolated that after a while they won't be capable of after a while they won't be capable of after a while they won't be capable of having revolutionary thoughts. They will having revolutionary thoughts. They will having revolutionary thoughts. They will accept whatever you tell them. So accept whatever you tell them. So accept whatever you tell them. So stripping people of their privacy is the stripping people of their privacy is the stripping people of their privacy is the key to enslaving them. So in the novel, key to enslaving them. So in the novel, key to enslaving them. So in the novel, Winston Smith and Julia decide, we're Winston Smith and Julia decide, we're Winston Smith and Julia decide, we're going to try to have a normal going to try to have a normal going to try to have a normal conversation. And so they go to conversation. And so they go to conversation. And so they go to Paddington Station in London and they Paddington Station in London and they Paddington Station in London and they take the train out to the countryside take the train out to the countryside take the train out to the countryside and they stand in a pasture and they and they stand in a pasture and they and they stand in a pasture and they have a conversation. And that's the kind have a conversation. And that's the kind have a conversation. And that's the kind of extent of their intimacy. But it's of extent of their intimacy. But it's of extent of their intimacy. But it's thrilling within the context of this thrilling within the context of this thrilling within the context of this dystopian privacyfree world. They go out dystopian privacyfree world. They go out dystopian privacyfree world. They go out into the countryside and there they can into the countryside and there they can into the countryside and there they can talk freely. There they can be truly talk freely. There they can be truly talk freely. There they can be truly themselves. There they can be honest and themselves. There they can be honest and themselves. There they can be honest and be intimate with another human being.

be intimate with another human being. be intimate with another human being. Break out of the prison of solitude that Break out of the prison of solitude that Break out of the prison of solitude that the state has cast them in. the state has cast them in. the state has cast them in. What's interesting if you think about it What's interesting if you think about it What's interesting if you think about it is that even Orwell, who died months is that even Orwell, who died months is that even Orwell, who died months after finishing the book, his last book, after finishing the book, his last book, after finishing the book, his last book, even Orwell couldn't have imagined the even Orwell couldn't have imagined the even Orwell couldn't have imagined the world that we live in now in the United world that we live in now in the United world that we live in now in the United States in 2026, States in 2026, States in 2026, where even driving to the countryside, where even driving to the countryside, where even driving to the countryside, much less taking the train to the much less taking the train to the much less taking the train to the countryside, countryside, countryside, is no escape from non-stop surveillance is no escape from non-stop surveillance is no escape from non-stop surveillance because cameras because cameras because cameras are everywhere and cameras aren't simply are everywhere and cameras aren't simply are everywhere and cameras aren't simply recording you. They're listening to you recording you. They're listening to you recording you. They're listening to you and analyzing your biometrics, your and analyzing your biometrics, your and analyzing your biometrics, your gate, your face. gate, your face. gate, your face. There is almost, if you live in a There is almost, if you live in a There is almost, if you live in a metropolitan area in the United States, metropolitan area in the United States, metropolitan area in the United States, no place you can go from your bedroom to no place you can go from your bedroom to no place you can go from your bedroom to the grocery store to the sidewalk in the grocery store to the sidewalk in the grocery store to the sidewalk in front of your house or apartment where front of your house or apartment where front of your house or apartment where you're not being surveiled at all times you're not being surveiled at all times you're not being surveiled at all times 24 hours a day. And who knows what's 24 hours a day. And who knows what's 24 hours a day. And who knows what's happening to the images and sounds those happening to the images and sounds those happening to the images and sounds those cameras are capturing that data. We cameras are capturing that data. We cameras are capturing that data. We actually don't know. And there's really actually don't know. And there's really actually don't know. And there's really no legal safeguard in place to let us no legal safeguard in place to let us no legal safeguard in place to let us know or to protect us from the misuse of know or to protect us from the misuse of know or to protect us from the misuse of that information that information that information about us.

about us. about us. Remarkable. Remarkable. Remarkable. How did this change so fast? And were How did this change so fast? And were How did this change so fast? And were you consulted on the change? Did your you consulted on the change? Did your you consulted on the change? Did your local lawmaker ask you, "Would you like local lawmaker ask you, "Would you like local lawmaker ask you, "Would you like to be spied on 24 hours a day?" No, of to be spied on 24 hours a day?" No, of to be spied on 24 hours a day?" No, of course no one asked. In fact, until very course no one asked. In fact, until very course no one asked. In fact, until very recently, most Americans were not even recently, most Americans were not even recently, most Americans were not even aware this was happening. aware this was happening. aware this was happening. There's been an explosion in There's been an explosion in There's been an explosion in surveillance in one specific area which surveillance in one specific area which surveillance in one specific area which is misleadingly named automatic license is misleadingly named automatic license is misleadingly named automatic license plate readers. So the idea is that a plate readers. So the idea is that a plate readers. So the idea is that a camera either affixed to a pole or bolt camera either affixed to a pole or bolt camera either affixed to a pole or bolt to the side of a building or to the side of a building or to the side of a building or increasingly in a drone takes pictures increasingly in a drone takes pictures increasingly in a drone takes pictures of a license plate of a license plate of a license plate and runs that information back to police and runs that information back to police and runs that information back to police headquarters presumably or corporate headquarters presumably or corporate headquarters presumably or corporate headquarters and that information can be headquarters and that information can be headquarters and that information can be used to track down the fable fabled used to track down the fable fabled used to track down the fable fabled child traffickers. Everyone in charge is child traffickers. Everyone in charge is child traffickers. Everyone in charge is so upset about child traffickers. so upset about child traffickers. so upset about child traffickers. There's not a single member of Congress There's not a single member of Congress There's not a single member of Congress who wasn't very exercised about the who wasn't very exercised about the who wasn't very exercised about the existence of child traffickers. Even the existence of child traffickers. Even the existence of child traffickers. Even the ones who opened up the southern border ones who opened up the southern border ones who opened up the southern border and led in tens of thousands of child and led in tens of thousands of child and led in tens of thousands of child traffickers. They're very upset about traffickers. They're very upset about traffickers. They're very upset about child traffickers. And because child child traffickers. And because child child traffickers. And because child trafficking is America's most pressing trafficking is America's most pressing trafficking is America's most pressing problem, problem, problem, everybody in the country, all 350 everybody in the country, all 350 everybody in the country, all 350 million, need to be spied on at all million, need to be spied on at all million, need to be spied on at all times, but just your license plate.

times, but just your license plate. times, but just your license plate. Well, it's become clear in recent months Well, it's become clear in recent months Well, it's become clear in recent months that these license plate readers are that these license plate readers are that these license plate readers are doing a lot more than reading license doing a lot more than reading license doing a lot more than reading license plates. In fact, there's no law that plates. In fact, there's no law that plates. In fact, there's no law that says they have to constrict their spying says they have to constrict their spying says they have to constrict their spying to people's license plates. They can spy to people's license plates. They can spy to people's license plates. They can spy on people and cars and they can do on people and cars and they can do on people and cars and they can do facial recognition and they can listen facial recognition and they can listen facial recognition and they can listen to what you say. And indeed, they are. to what you say. And indeed, they are. to what you say. And indeed, they are. So, there are a lot of companies that So, there are a lot of companies that So, there are a lot of companies that provide this service. The biggest and provide this service. The biggest and provide this service. The biggest and certainly the most famous is called certainly the most famous is called certainly the most famous is called Flock Flock Safety. Flock Flock Safety. Flock Flock Safety. The idea behind flock safety is police The idea behind flock safety is police The idea behind flock safety is police departments will use its product, its departments will use its product, its departments will use its product, its drones or its cameras affixed to poles drones or its cameras affixed to poles drones or its cameras affixed to poles in their towns to reduce crime. in their towns to reduce crime. in their towns to reduce crime. And from the perspective of the police And from the perspective of the police And from the perspective of the police department, it's a pretty good deal. And department, it's a pretty good deal. And department, it's a pretty good deal. And it's a good deal because it's a whole it's a good deal because it's a whole it's a good deal because it's a whole lot cheaper than police officers. Police lot cheaper than police officers. Police lot cheaper than police officers. Police officers are very expensive. It costs officers are very expensive. It costs officers are very expensive. It costs over $100,000 a year on average to over $100,000 a year on average to over $100,000 a year on average to employ a police officer. over the course employ a police officer. over the course employ a police officer. over the course of an entire police career of an entire police career of an entire police career through recruitment and training and through recruitment and training and through recruitment and training and sick days and of course salary and then sick days and of course salary and then sick days and of course salary and then retirement, it can cost $7 million to a retirement, it can cost $7 million to a retirement, it can cost $7 million to a city for a single police officer. But if city for a single police officer. But if city for a single police officer. But if you were to switch, if you were to you were to switch, if you were to you were to switch, if you were to automate the process, if you were to get automate the process, if you were to get automate the process, if you were to get a machine to do what people once did, it a machine to do what people once did, it a machine to do what people once did, it cost you about 2500 bucks under the cost you about 2500 bucks under the cost you about 2500 bucks under the flock contract. So you can certainly see flock contract. So you can certainly see flock contract. So you can certainly see the incentive.

the incentive. the incentive. Of course, lost in this is any privacy Of course, lost in this is any privacy Of course, lost in this is any privacy or even interaction with the human being or even interaction with the human being or even interaction with the human being with whom you might relate in some way. with whom you might relate in some way. with whom you might relate in some way. Personal interactions becoming far too Personal interactions becoming far too Personal interactions becoming far too expensive in the new digital economy. expensive in the new digital economy. expensive in the new digital economy. But you can certainly see why city But you can certainly see why city But you can certainly see why city councils and mayors and police chiefs councils and mayors and police chiefs councils and mayors and police chiefs would be incentivized, would have great would be incentivized, would have great would be incentivized, would have great incentive to use flat cameras instead of incentive to use flat cameras instead of incentive to use flat cameras instead of people. people. people. The problem is The problem is The problem is it's not clear what the rest of us are it's not clear what the rest of us are it's not clear what the rest of us are getting in return. So the promise and getting in return. So the promise and getting in return. So the promise and it's inherent in the name Flock Safety it's inherent in the name Flock Safety it's inherent in the name Flock Safety is that if you give up your privacy, is that if you give up your privacy, is that if you give up your privacy, your pre-existing you thought right to your pre-existing you thought right to your pre-existing you thought right to kind of walk around without having your kind of walk around without having your kind of walk around without having your face analyzed and sent to headquarters face analyzed and sent to headquarters face analyzed and sent to headquarters somewhere in this or another country. If somewhere in this or another country. If somewhere in this or another country. If you were to give up all privacy, you you were to give up all privacy, you you were to give up all privacy, you would in exchange get what? Safety. Of would in exchange get what? Safety. Of would in exchange get what? Safety. Of course. And that's the trade always. course. And that's the trade always. course. And that's the trade always. The problem is it hasn't worked that way The problem is it hasn't worked that way The problem is it hasn't worked that way because safety has never been a priority because safety has never been a priority because safety has never been a priority of this ruling class. There was a time of this ruling class. There was a time of this ruling class. There was a time when big city mayors and police chiefs when big city mayors and police chiefs when big city mayors and police chiefs and governors and even presidents said and governors and even presidents said and governors and even presidents said explicitly, "Look, we're going to crack explicitly, "Look, we're going to crack explicitly, "Look, we're going to crack down, but in return, you're going to get down, but in return, you're going to get down, but in return, you're going to get the kind of country that is clean and the kind of country that is clean and the kind of country that is clean and orderly, safe for your daughter or orderly, safe for your daughter or orderly, safe for your daughter or grandmother to go to the store. No one's grandmother to go to the store. No one's grandmother to go to the store. No one's getting raped in my country and we may getting raped in my country and we may getting raped in my country and we may need to crack a few heads but you will need to crack a few heads but you will need to crack a few heads but you will get safety. And for years a bipartisan get safety. And for years a bipartisan get safety. And for years a bipartisan Republican and Democrat agreement Republican and Democrat agreement Republican and Democrat agreement remained in place that the first order

remained in place that the first order remained in place that the first order the first job of government was to the first job of government was to the first job of government was to provide safety for its citizens because provide safety for its citizens because provide safety for its citizens because without that what else do you have? without that what else do you have? without that what else do you have? Doesn't matter what your GDP is. If I Doesn't matter what your GDP is. If I Doesn't matter what your GDP is. If I don't know the downtowns of your biggest don't know the downtowns of your biggest don't know the downtowns of your biggest cities are open air drug markets or cities are open air drug markets or cities are open air drug markets or hundreds of people are getting shot to hundreds of people are getting shot to hundreds of people are getting shot to death. It doesn't matter. So you first death. It doesn't matter. So you first death. It doesn't matter. So you first have to provide safety. But somewhere have to provide safety. But somewhere have to provide safety. But somewhere around 30 years ago, that part of the around 30 years ago, that part of the around 30 years ago, that part of the deal ended and big city mayors, deal ended and big city mayors, deal ended and big city mayors, governors, members of Congress sort of governors, members of Congress sort of governors, members of Congress sort of forgot that their number one duty is to forgot that their number one duty is to forgot that their number one duty is to provide safety to the population. provide safety to the population. provide safety to the population. And this kind of reached its most And this kind of reached its most And this kind of reached its most obvious and hilarious point 5 years ago obvious and hilarious point 5 years ago obvious and hilarious point 5 years ago when those same people, members of when those same people, members of when those same people, members of Congress, governors, big city mayors, Congress, governors, big city mayors, Congress, governors, big city mayors, even police chiefs were calling for some even police chiefs were calling for some even police chiefs were calling for some version of defunding the police. How version of defunding the police. How version of defunding the police. How about no police at all? Oh, you think about no police at all? Oh, you think about no police at all? Oh, you think it's dangerous now? How about we just it's dangerous now? How about we just it's dangerous now? How about we just don't enforce any law? How does that don't enforce any law? How does that don't enforce any law? How does that sound? And they told us that. They were sound? And they told us that. They were sound? And they told us that. They were not embarrassed at all. not embarrassed at all. not embarrassed at all. Opposing funding the police was a Opposing funding the police was a Opposing funding the police was a prerequisite to being anti-racist. So, prerequisite to being anti-racist. So, prerequisite to being anti-racist. So, it was really a kind of moral test. it was really a kind of moral test. it was really a kind of moral test. Anyone who's for the police hated black Anyone who's for the police hated black Anyone who's for the police hated black people obviously in case you weren't people obviously in case you weren't people obviously in case you weren't here when that happened. But this was a here when that happened. But this was a here when that happened. But this was a widely understood principle. And every widely understood principle. And every widely understood principle. And every channel, including Fox News, told you channel, including Fox News, told you channel, including Fox News, told you about this. Anyone who's for the police, about this. Anyone who's for the police, about this. Anyone who's for the police, particularly white police, is just a particularly white police, is just a particularly white police, is just a racist. First cousin to a Nazi.

racist. First cousin to a Nazi. racist. First cousin to a Nazi. What's interesting is that some of those What's interesting is that some of those What's interesting is that some of those exact same people, literally the same exact same people, literally the same exact same people, literally the same people are now telling you that you have people are now telling you that you have people are now telling you that you have to have cameras everywhere to have cameras everywhere to have cameras everywhere in drones on light poles in buildings. in drones on light poles in buildings. in drones on light poles in buildings. In fact, now even in your car, thanks to In fact, now even in your car, thanks to In fact, now even in your car, thanks to an act of Congress, a law passed an act of Congress, a law passed an act of Congress, a law passed recently by the United States Congress, recently by the United States Congress, recently by the United States Congress, mandates cameras in all new passenger mandates cameras in all new passenger mandates cameras in all new passenger vehicles that assess the face of the vehicles that assess the face of the vehicles that assess the face of the driver, driver, driver, whether he's eating or yawning or who whether he's eating or yawning or who whether he's eating or yawning or who knows what he's doing, having a private knows what he's doing, having a private knows what he's doing, having a private conversation. Well, there are no more conversation. Well, there are no more conversation. Well, there are no more private conversations even within the private conversations even within the private conversations even within the confines of your own vehicle. Why? Cuz confines of your own vehicle. Why? Cuz confines of your own vehicle. Why? Cuz safety. There are drunk drivers out safety. There are drunk drivers out safety. There are drunk drivers out there. Of course, it was only two years there. Of course, it was only two years there. Of course, it was only two years ago that Joe Biden explained, "Well, ago that Joe Biden explained, "Well, ago that Joe Biden explained, "Well, actually, drunk driving is not a big actually, drunk driving is not a big actually, drunk driving is not a big deal when illegal aliens do it." deal when illegal aliens do it." deal when illegal aliens do it." Somehow, that standard's been revised. Somehow, that standard's been revised. Somehow, that standard's been revised. Drunk driving is such a big deal that Drunk driving is such a big deal that Drunk driving is such a big deal that you can't have a private conversation in you can't have a private conversation in you can't have a private conversation in your own car anymore, according to the your own car anymore, according to the your own car anymore, according to the US Congress. And in fact, that is a law US Congress. And in fact, that is a law US Congress. And in fact, that is a law and it's going to happen.

So, how exactly has this brand new but So, how exactly has this brand new but already incredibly widespread already incredibly widespread already incredibly widespread phenomenon, flock cameras, license plate phenomenon, flock cameras, license plate phenomenon, flock cameras, license plate readers in virtually every city in the readers in virtually every city in the readers in virtually every city in the United States? What has it done to United States? What has it done to United States? What has it done to crime? Well, it has not eliminated it crime? Well, it has not eliminated it crime? Well, it has not eliminated it despite what they may tell you. So, one despite what they may tell you. So, one despite what they may tell you. So, one of the cities that has the most license of the cities that has the most license of the cities that has the most license plate readers in the United States is plate readers in the United States is plate readers in the United States is Houston, Texas. Harris County, Texas, Houston, Texas. Harris County, Texas, Houston, Texas. Harris County, Texas, which is a huge place, about 4.7 million which is a huge place, about 4.7 million which is a huge place, about 4.7 million people in Harris County, Texas. It's people in Harris County, Texas. It's people in Harris County, Texas. It's about the size of Oman or New Zealand. about the size of Oman or New Zealand. about the size of Oman or New Zealand. It's a lot of people. And it also has a It's a lot of people. And it also has a It's a lot of people. And it also has a famously high murder rate. Lots of famously high murder rate. Lots of famously high murder rate. Lots of different kinds of crimes, but murder is different kinds of crimes, but murder is different kinds of crimes, but murder is the most straightforward because almost the most straightforward because almost the most straightforward because almost all murders are accounted for because all murders are accounted for because all murders are accounted for because there's a body and a missing person there's a body and a missing person there's a body and a missing person sometimes. sometimes. sometimes. So, murders go reported. So, we know So, murders go reported. So, we know So, murders go reported. So, we know pretty much precisely how many murders a pretty much precisely how many murders a pretty much precisely how many murders a city has. Harris County, Texas, has over city has. Harris County, Texas, has over city has. Harris County, Texas, has over 3,000 license plate readers in it in the 3,000 license plate readers in it in the 3,000 license plate readers in it in the county. So, you would think, think about county. So, you would think, think about county. So, you would think, think about 3,700 actually. So, you would think with 3,700 actually. So, you would think with 3,700 actually. So, you would think with 3,700 license plate readers all over the 3,700 license plate readers all over the 3,700 license plate readers all over the city, when you look at a map of where city, when you look at a map of where city, when you look at a map of where they are in Harris County, I mean, they are in Harris County, I mean, they are in Harris County, I mean, there's nowhere you can go where you're there's nowhere you can go where you're there's nowhere you can go where you're not being watched. You would think it not being watched. You would think it not being watched. You would think it would be the safest place in the United would be the safest place in the United would be the safest place in the United States. But, weirdly, States. But, weirdly, States. But, weirdly, Harris County, Texas, had over 500 Harris County, Texas, had over 500 Harris County, Texas, had over 500 murders in 2025.

murders in 2025. murders in 2025. The murder, the aggregate number of The murder, the aggregate number of The murder, the aggregate number of murders, the total murders in Harris murders, the total murders in Harris murders, the total murders in Harris County, Texas, has risen dramatically County, Texas, has risen dramatically County, Texas, has risen dramatically over the past 10 years, over the past 10 years, over the past 10 years, even as surveillance has become so even as surveillance has become so even as surveillance has become so intense, there is literally no place to intense, there is literally no place to intense, there is literally no place to hide. Now, how does that work exactly? hide. Now, how does that work exactly? hide. Now, how does that work exactly? How is it that we increase the How is it that we increase the How is it that we increase the surveillance past what 1984 describes surveillance past what 1984 describes surveillance past what 1984 describes and we still have 500 murders in one US and we still have 500 murders in one US and we still have 500 murders in one US county? county? county? Hard to know how that happened. But one Hard to know how that happened. But one Hard to know how that happened. But one conclusion we can draw confidently is conclusion we can draw confidently is conclusion we can draw confidently is that the point of the license plate that the point of the license plate that the point of the license plate readers and the facial recognition readers and the facial recognition readers and the facial recognition software which are integrated software which are integrated software which are integrated probably not to keep you safe. So if probably not to keep you safe. So if probably not to keep you safe. So if you're looking for a shortcut to decode you're looking for a shortcut to decode you're looking for a shortcut to decode everything that you're hearing about everything that you're hearing about everything that you're hearing about almost anything, almost anything, almost anything, discount the part where they say it's discount the part where they say it's discount the part where they say it's good for you because that is not a good for you because that is not a good for you because that is not a relevant component to the formula. relevant component to the formula. relevant component to the formula. Should we do this? Well, let's see. Does Should we do this? Well, let's see. Does Should we do this? Well, let's see. Does it save us money? Does it increase it save us money? Does it increase it save us money? Does it increase profit? Is it good for us? profit? Is it good for us? profit? Is it good for us? Those are the three main criteria. What Those are the three main criteria. What Those are the three main criteria. What it does to you and your family, it's it does to you and your family, it's it does to you and your family, it's kind of not on the list. It's not a kind of not on the list. It's not a kind of not on the list. It's not a variable in that equation.

variable in that equation. variable in that equation. So, it is clear, in fact, it's proven So, it is clear, in fact, it's proven So, it is clear, in fact, it's proven that if you turn a city into a that if you turn a city into a that if you turn a city into a panopticon, you still have, well, in the panopticon, you still have, well, in the panopticon, you still have, well, in the case of Harris County, Texas, hundreds case of Harris County, Texas, hundreds case of Harris County, Texas, hundreds of people getting murdered, but you have of people getting murdered, but you have of people getting murdered, but you have no more privacy, which is to say you no more privacy, which is to say you no more privacy, which is to say you have no more intimacy, which is to say have no more intimacy, which is to say have no more intimacy, which is to say you have no more freedom you have no more freedom you have no more freedom because privacy is a prerequisite for because privacy is a prerequisite for because privacy is a prerequisite for freedom. You cannot be free unless you freedom. You cannot be free unless you freedom. You cannot be free unless you can have independent thoughts and can have independent thoughts and can have independent thoughts and privacy. And independent thoughts are privacy. And independent thoughts are privacy. And independent thoughts are impossible without privacy. Which is why impossible without privacy. Which is why impossible without privacy. Which is why when the US military wants to train its when the US military wants to train its when the US military wants to train its pilots on what life in a prison camp pilots on what life in a prison camp pilots on what life in a prison camp must be like, very often it puts them in must be like, very often it puts them in must be like, very often it puts them in a glass box naked in the center of the a glass box naked in the center of the a glass box naked in the center of the faux prison camp. That is a form of faux prison camp. That is a form of faux prison camp. That is a form of torture because you are stripped torture because you are stripped torture because you are stripped entirely of privacy. There is nowhere to entirely of privacy. There is nowhere to entirely of privacy. There is nowhere to hide. Everyone can see you at every hide. Everyone can see you at every hide. Everyone can see you at every moment. And what does that do to people? moment. And what does that do to people? moment. And what does that do to people? Well, it tends to drive them insane. Well, it tends to drive them insane. Well, it tends to drive them insane. And yet the US government, state, And yet the US government, state, And yet the US government, state, federal, and local, has now constructed federal, and local, has now constructed federal, and local, has now constructed exactly that, a glass box at the center exactly that, a glass box at the center exactly that, a glass box at the center of a prison camp, and we all reside in of a prison camp, and we all reside in of a prison camp, and we all reside in it.

it. it. So what do you do about that exactly? Do So what do you do about that exactly? Do So what do you do about that exactly? Do you go to your city council meeting and you go to your city council meeting and you go to your city council meeting and complain? That's been tried. And if complain? That's been tried. And if complain? That's been tried. And if you're interested, go online. You can you're interested, go online. You can you're interested, go online. You can see video after video of concerned and see video after video of concerned and see video after video of concerned and very kind of forthright and reasonable very kind of forthright and reasonable very kind of forthright and reasonable citizens asking their city council citizens asking their city council citizens asking their city council members like, "Why are we doing this? members like, "Why are we doing this? members like, "Why are we doing this? Why am I paying for this?" And what Why am I paying for this?" And what Why am I paying for this?" And what about my Fourth Amendment right that about my Fourth Amendment right that about my Fourth Amendment right that prevents search, unreasonable search and prevents search, unreasonable search and prevents search, unreasonable search and seizure without a warrant by the seizure without a warrant by the seizure without a warrant by the government? government? government? And in every single case we could find, And in every single case we could find, And in every single case we could find, they're just blown off like some they're just blown off like some they're just blown off like some annoying crank. Oh, shut up. Safety. annoying crank. Oh, shut up. Safety. annoying crank. Oh, shut up. Safety. Safety. Safety. Safety. Eliminate cigarette smoking. We all live Eliminate cigarette smoking. We all live Eliminate cigarette smoking. We all live forever. It's not like the life forever. It's not like the life forever. It's not like the life expectancy is going to go down if we do expectancy is going to go down if we do expectancy is going to go down if we do that. But it did. that. But it did. that. But it did. So the point is So the point is So the point is license plate readers are safe and license plate readers are safe and license plate readers are safe and effective. And if you don't believe effective. And if you don't believe effective. And if you don't believe that, you're obviously anti-science. that, you're obviously anti-science. that, you're obviously anti-science. Shut up, science denier. What are you Shut up, science denier. What are you Shut up, science denier. What are you for the drug cartels? Oh, no. That would for the drug cartels? Oh, no. That would for the drug cartels? Oh, no. That would be the government. They're in business be the government. They're in business be the government. They're in business with the drug cartels. with the drug cartels. with the drug cartels. But normal people cannot get a hearing But normal people cannot get a hearing But normal people cannot get a hearing on this question. Congress has made no on this question. Congress has made no on this question. Congress has made no effort to ban it or even regulate it to effort to ban it or even regulate it to effort to ban it or even regulate it to protect, say, images of you or your protect, say, images of you or your protect, say, images of you or your conversation with your wife and or conversation with your wife and or conversation with your wife and or girlfriend or anyone else from being girlfriend or anyone else from being girlfriend or anyone else from being sent anywhere. There no law preventing sent anywhere. There no law preventing sent anywhere. There no law preventing other people from stealing your other people from stealing your other people from stealing your conversations and your im image in the conversations and your im image in the conversations and your im image in the most intimate moments of your life like most intimate moments of your life like most intimate moments of your life like in your car and sending it to anybody or in your car and sending it to anybody or in your car and sending it to anybody or selling it to anybody. Now some of these selling it to anybody. Now some of these selling it to anybody. Now some of these companies like Flock claim they don't.

companies like Flock claim they don't. companies like Flock claim they don't. Okay. Hope that's true. Is it? We don't Okay. Hope that's true. Is it? We don't Okay. Hope that's true. Is it? We don't know. And how would we know? know. And how would we know? know. And how would we know? So, it's not an endorsement of vigilante So, it's not an endorsement of vigilante So, it's not an endorsement of vigilante justice or vandalism, of course. Which justice or vandalism, of course. Which justice or vandalism, of course. Which we are not for the record endorsing. we are not for the record endorsing. we are not for the record endorsing. But is it out of the realm of But is it out of the realm of But is it out of the realm of possibility that if you set up a system possibility that if you set up a system possibility that if you set up a system like the one just described that some like the one just described that some like the one just described that some people will say, "I've got no option but people will say, "I've got no option but people will say, "I've got no option but to take these cameras down myself." to take these cameras down myself." to take these cameras down myself." Well, in fact, that's exactly what a lot Well, in fact, that's exactly what a lot Well, in fact, that's exactly what a lot of people will conclude, including this of people will conclude, including this of people will conclude, including this man. Watch. man. Watch. man. Watch. >> Do you have plans to continue to take >> Do you have plans to continue to take >> Do you have plans to continue to take down these blocks? down these blocks? down these blocks? >> Absolutely. No, absolutely. They are >> Absolutely. No, absolutely. They are >> Absolutely. No, absolutely. They are clear and present threat to public clear and present threat to public clear and present threat to public safety. safety. safety. >> 44year-old Javon Martinez is facing >> 44year-old Javon Martinez is facing >> 44year-old Javon Martinez is facing lararseny property damage and tampering lararseny property damage and tampering lararseny property damage and tampering with evidence charges after police say with evidence charges after police say with evidence charges after police say he to he destroyed three flock cameras he to he destroyed three flock cameras he to he destroyed three flock cameras costing Rio Rancho thousands of dollars costing Rio Rancho thousands of dollars costing Rio Rancho thousands of dollars in damage. in damage. in damage. >> You know, you call me, but I am here. >> You know, you call me, but I am here. >> You know, you call me, but I am here. I'm right here. I stood up. I I I walked I'm right here. I stood up. I I I walked I'm right here. I stood up. I I I walked up there. She wanted my name, but I have up there. She wanted my name, but I have up there. She wanted my name, but I have a right to not bear testimony against a right to not bear testimony against a right to not bear testimony against myself. Giving my name consults myself. Giving my name consults myself. Giving my name consults testimony. And so I just chose to remain testimony. And so I just chose to remain testimony. And so I just chose to remain silent.

silent. silent. >> Oh, guy in an American flag shirt >> Oh, guy in an American flag shirt >> Oh, guy in an American flag shirt quoting the Constitution. He must be a quoting the Constitution. He must be a quoting the Constitution. He must be a dangerous radical. Better kill that guy. dangerous radical. Better kill that guy. dangerous radical. Better kill that guy. He knows his rights. That's not He knows his rights. That's not He knows his rights. That's not acceptable. acceptable. acceptable. So there are a lot of people like that. So there are a lot of people like that. So there are a lot of people like that. And if you go on the internet, at least And if you go on the internet, at least And if you go on the internet, at least as of yesterday, and this may change in as of yesterday, and this may change in as of yesterday, and this may change in the age of AI, who knows? But as of very the age of AI, who knows? But as of very the age of AI, who knows? But as of very recently, there are dozens, maybe recently, there are dozens, maybe recently, there are dozens, maybe hundreds of similar videos of people hundreds of similar videos of people hundreds of similar videos of people destroying license plate readers, destroying license plate readers, destroying license plate readers, cutting down the poles, running into cutting down the poles, running into cutting down the poles, running into their cars, spray painting them. There their cars, spray painting them. There their cars, spray painting them. There are how-to videos and how to disable are how-to videos and how to disable are how-to videos and how to disable them with high power lasers you can buy them with high power lasers you can buy them with high power lasers you can buy on Amazon.com, which apparently fry on Amazon.com, which apparently fry on Amazon.com, which apparently fry their circuits. We're not endorsing their circuits. We're not endorsing their circuits. We're not endorsing that, of course, but they're videos, in that, of course, but they're videos, in that, of course, but they're videos, in other words, of people who don't feel other words, of people who don't feel other words, of people who don't feel they have any other recourse whatsoever they have any other recourse whatsoever they have any other recourse whatsoever making one last ditch attempt to making one last ditch attempt to making one last ditch attempt to preserve the one thing that makes them preserve the one thing that makes them preserve the one thing that makes them free in this or any other country, their free in this or any other country, their free in this or any other country, their birthright, by the way. And it's called birthright, by the way. And it's called birthright, by the way. And it's called privacy. They don't have it. They'd like privacy. They don't have it. They'd like privacy. They don't have it. They'd like it back. They think the Constitution it back. They think the Constitution it back. They think the Constitution guarantees it to them. Their lawmakers guarantees it to them. Their lawmakers guarantees it to them. Their lawmakers don't care. Their leaders don't care.

don't care. Their leaders don't care. don't care. Their leaders don't care. Their police departments don't care. Their police departments don't care. Their police departments don't care. They don't think it's to make them They don't think it's to make them They don't think it's to make them safer. They understand that it's to safer. They understand that it's to safer. They understand that it's to strip them of their most basic humanity, strip them of their most basic humanity, strip them of their most basic humanity, which it is. And so they're doing the which it is. And so they're doing the which it is. And so they're doing the only thing they can imagine doing, only thing they can imagine doing, only thing they can imagine doing, the only thing the powerless really can the only thing the powerless really can the only thing the powerless really can do do do in a situation like this. They're taking in a situation like this. They're taking in a situation like this. They're taking matters into their own hands. And some matters into their own hands. And some matters into their own hands. And some of them are being punished for it. of them are being punished for it. of them are being punished for it. So you don't have to endorse vandalism, So you don't have to endorse vandalism, So you don't have to endorse vandalism, of course, and we're not, of course, and we're not, of course, and we're not, to understand the impulse behind it. And to understand the impulse behind it. And to understand the impulse behind it. And if that guy is any measure of who's if that guy is any measure of who's if that guy is any measure of who's doing it, and judging by the videos we doing it, and judging by the videos we doing it, and judging by the videos we saw, he definitely is a measure of saw, he definitely is a measure of saw, he definitely is a measure of exactly who's doing it. exactly who's doing it. exactly who's doing it. It's not the malcontents. It's not It's not the malcontents. It's not It's not the malcontents. It's not drugaddicted kids knocking down flock drugaddicted kids knocking down flock drugaddicted kids knocking down flock cameras for fun. cameras for fun. cameras for fun. It's sober, decent, patriotic Americans It's sober, decent, patriotic Americans It's sober, decent, patriotic Americans who believe the promises of their who believe the promises of their who believe the promises of their country. country. country. They're mad not because they're trying They're mad not because they're trying They're mad not because they're trying to get something from Flock, but because to get something from Flock, but because to get something from Flock, but because they want to be left alone by Flock.

they want to be left alone by Flock. they want to be left alone by Flock. Because Flock was not part of the Because Flock was not part of the Because Flock was not part of the country they signed up for. No one asked country they signed up for. No one asked country they signed up for. No one asked their permission to steal their images their permission to steal their images their permission to steal their images and to spy on their conversations, to and to spy on their conversations, to and to spy on their conversations, to read their license plates. So any person with any capacity for So any person with any capacity for reasoning reasoning reasoning and with any empathy for other human and with any empathy for other human and with any empathy for other human beings may not endorse that behavior, beings may not endorse that behavior, beings may not endorse that behavior, but can certainly understand it. but can certainly understand it. but can certainly understand it. and enlightened people might work to and enlightened people might work to and enlightened people might work to some kind of compromise. Maybe there are some kind of compromise. Maybe there are some kind of compromise. Maybe there are ways we can use technology to lower ways we can use technology to lower ways we can use technology to lower crime and make it safer for your crime and make it safer for your crime and make it safer for your grandmother to go to the grocery store. grandmother to go to the grocery store. grandmother to go to the grocery store. That would be good. But maybe we can do That would be good. But maybe we can do That would be good. But maybe we can do that without eliminating your humanity that without eliminating your humanity that without eliminating your humanity by taking away your privacy. by taking away your privacy. by taking away your privacy. But that's not of course the posture of But that's not of course the posture of But that's not of course the posture of the billionaires who run Flock Safety. the billionaires who run Flock Safety. the billionaires who run Flock Safety. Safety. Safety. Safety. Here is the founder of flock safety, Here is the founder of flock safety, Here is the founder of flock safety, Garrett something. Doesn't look like Garrett something. Doesn't look like Garrett something. Doesn't look like he's even 40. This is Garrett, the he's even 40. This is Garrett, the he's even 40. This is Garrett, the billionaire flock guy, billionaire flock guy, billionaire flock guy, describing describing describing how he feels about anyone who disagrees how he feels about anyone who disagrees how he feels about anyone who disagrees with his project. Watch with his project. Watch with his project. Watch >> corporate wars looking at citizen >> corporate wars looking at citizen >> corporate wars looking at citizen projects where citizens concerned about projects where citizens concerned about projects where citizens concerned about the rise of flock and flock cameras the rise of flock and flock cameras the rise of flock and flock cameras going up everywhere and increased going up everywhere and increased going up everywhere and increased surveillance everywhere. There's an surveillance everywhere. There's an surveillance everywhere. There's an organization called Dlock who are semi- organization called Dlock who are semi- organization called Dlock who are semi- wellknown now I guess if you're wellknown now I guess if you're wellknown now I guess if you're interested in this stuff um who take a interested in this stuff um who take a interested in this stuff um who take a fairly aggressive approach in terms of fairly aggressive approach in terms of fairly aggressive approach in terms of counting the number of cameras and

counting the number of cameras and counting the number of cameras and having a Discord channel where they talk having a Discord channel where they talk having a Discord channel where they talk about potential you know activities to about potential you know activities to about potential you know activities to to move against flock and and stop it to move against flock and and stop it to move against flock and and stop it expanding. What do you think of that expanding. What do you think of that expanding. What do you think of that organization and the way they go about organization and the way they go about organization and the way they go about their business? their business? their business? >> Yeah. So I mean I think there's really >> Yeah. So I mean I think there's really >> Yeah. So I mean I think there's really two groups of activists. uh you've got two groups of activists. uh you've got two groups of activists. uh you've got organizations like the ACLU and the EFF organizations like the ACLU and the EFF organizations like the ACLU and the EFF who take an above board approach to who take an above board approach to who take an above board approach to fight for their point of view and fight for their point of view and fight for their point of view and thankfully we live in a beautifully thankfully we live in a beautifully thankfully we live in a beautifully democratic capitalistic country where we democratic capitalistic country where we democratic capitalistic country where we can fight in court and I have a lot of can fight in court and I have a lot of can fight in court and I have a lot of respect for those groups because they respect for those groups because they respect for those groups because they have reasonable debates and we we follow have reasonable debates and we we follow have reasonable debates and we we follow the law and then unfortunately there's the law and then unfortunately there's the law and then unfortunately there's terroristic organizations like DOC whose terroristic organizations like DOC whose terroristic organizations like DOC whose primary motivation is chaos they are primary motivation is chaos they are primary motivation is chaos they are closer to Antifa than they are anything closer to Antifa than they are anything closer to Antifa than they are anything else and that I think is unfortunate else and that I think is unfortunate else and that I think is unfortunate because we don't want chaos or I don't because we don't want chaos or I don't because we don't want chaos or I don't want chaos. I I like law and order. I want chaos. I I like law and order. I want chaos. I I like law and order. I like a society that has a bedrock of like a society that has a bedrock of like a society that has a bedrock of safety. safety. safety. >> It'd be interesting to know where the >> It'd be interesting to know where the >> It'd be interesting to know where the douchebag factory is that turns out douchebag factory is that turns out douchebag factory is that turns out billionaires in t-shirts who run our billionaires in t-shirts who run our billionaires in t-shirts who run our most powerful c companies. What? What? most powerful c companies. What? What? most powerful c companies. What? What? Who is that guy? He's a billionaire. Who is that guy? He's a billionaire. Who is that guy? He's a billionaire. Where'd the money come from? Oh, from Where'd the money come from? Oh, from Where'd the money come from? Oh, from state and local governments. That's it's state and local governments. That's it's state and local governments. That's it's tax dollars.

tax dollars. tax dollars. Mr. T-shirt guy, Garrett Garrett Langley Mr. T-shirt guy, Garrett Garrett Langley Mr. T-shirt guy, Garrett Garrett Langley or something. He just described a group called Deflock He just described a group called Deflock as a quote terroristic organization. as a quote terroristic organization. as a quote terroristic organization. Well, what's DFO? Well, if that's the Well, what's DFO? Well, if that's the Well, what's DFO? Well, if that's the only knowledge you have of DLOCK, you only knowledge you have of DLOCK, you only knowledge you have of DLOCK, you probably think it's, as he said, it's probably think it's, as he said, it's probably think it's, as he said, it's like Antifa, guys mass spray painting like Antifa, guys mass spray painting like Antifa, guys mass spray painting things and beating people over the head things and beating people over the head things and beating people over the head with flag poles and shooting bear spray with flag poles and shooting bear spray with flag poles and shooting bear spray into the faces of cops. Antifa, they into the faces of cops. Antifa, they into the faces of cops. Antifa, they want chaos. Uh-huh. want chaos. Uh-huh. want chaos. Uh-huh. Well, actually, unlike Antifa, DLOC has Well, actually, unlike Antifa, DLOC has Well, actually, unlike Antifa, DLOC has a website, so you can just kind of go a website, so you can just kind of go a website, so you can just kind of go there and assess for yourself. What is there and assess for yourself. What is there and assess for yourself. What is DFlock? DFlock? DFlock? Well, the answer was in the question and Well, the answer was in the question and Well, the answer was in the question and it was accurate. Deflock is a group on it was accurate. Deflock is a group on it was accurate. Deflock is a group on the internet that tells you where the the internet that tells you where the the internet that tells you where the flock cameras are. That's what they do. flock cameras are. That's what they do. flock cameras are. That's what they do. They have a map. They're not for flock They have a map. They're not for flock They have a map. They're not for flock cameras or any license plate readers. cameras or any license plate readers. cameras or any license plate readers. They think they're violation of the They think they're violation of the They think they're violation of the Fourth Amendment. They think they're an Fourth Amendment. They think they're an Fourth Amendment. They think they're an invasion of your privacy. They think invasion of your privacy. They think invasion of your privacy. They think they're dehumanizing. All true, by the they're dehumanizing. All true, by the they're dehumanizing. All true, by the way. But what they really do is keep way. But what they really do is keep way. But what they really do is keep track of where the monitors are, where track of where the monitors are, where track of where the monitors are, where you being surveiled. And you can go on you being surveiled. And you can go on you being surveiled. And you can go on the map. It's deflock.com and find out where they are in your and find out where they are in your neighborhood. And by the way, it's neighborhood. And by the way, it's neighborhood. And by the way, it's overwhelmingly likely that you have them overwhelmingly likely that you have them overwhelmingly likely that you have them in your neighborhood that you're being in your neighborhood that you're being in your neighborhood that you're being watched. You didn't even know it. That's watched. You didn't even know it. That's watched. You didn't even know it. That's because the people are supposed to be because the people are supposed to be because the people are supposed to be protecting you, actually protecting you, protecting you, actually protecting you, protecting you, actually protecting you, like the mayor of your town or the chief like the mayor of your town or the chief like the mayor of your town or the chief of your police department or your member of your police department or your member of your police department or your member of Congress or your governor. They of Congress or your governor. They of Congress or your governor. They should be telling you, but they don't should be telling you, but they don't should be telling you, but they don't because they don't care at all about you because they don't care at all about you because they don't care at all about you or your privacy.

or your privacy. or your privacy. And so DFL steps in and says, "Maybe And so DFL steps in and says, "Maybe And so DFL steps in and says, "Maybe you'd like to know where these cameras you'd like to know where these cameras you'd like to know where these cameras are." are." are." And in some cases, because the And in some cases, because the And in some cases, because the information is out there, the guy in the information is out there, the guy in the information is out there, the guy in the American flag shirt and the sombrero may American flag shirt and the sombrero may American flag shirt and the sombrero may disable the camera. Okay? But most disable the camera. Okay? But most disable the camera. Okay? But most people would like to know. And so people would like to know. And so people would like to know. And so providing that information is terrorism, providing that information is terrorism, providing that information is terrorism, really. So think about what the t-shirt really. So think about what the t-shirt really. So think about what the t-shirt douchebag guy is saying, the billionaire douchebag guy is saying, the billionaire douchebag guy is saying, the billionaire that got rich on your tax dollars is that got rich on your tax dollars is that got rich on your tax dollars is saying to you. He's saying, "We get to saying to you. He's saying, "We get to saying to you. He's saying, "We get to know everything about you. everything. know everything about you. everything. know everything about you. everything. Well, you don't even know we're here. Well, you don't even know we're here. Well, you don't even know we're here. Actually, we have a drone overhead that Actually, we have a drone overhead that Actually, we have a drone overhead that at the distance of hundreds of yards can at the distance of hundreds of yards can at the distance of hundreds of yards can see everything about you, just like a see everything about you, just like a see everything about you, just like a military drone. military drone. military drone. And that information is going, well, And that information is going, well, And that information is going, well, we're not going to tell you where it's we're not going to tell you where it's we're not going to tell you where it's going. I mean, it's proprietary going. I mean, it's proprietary going. I mean, it's proprietary information that's going to the client, information that's going to the client, information that's going to the client, but what's he doing with it? He could be but what's he doing with it? He could be but what's he doing with it? He could be selling it to insurance companies, to selling it to insurance companies, to selling it to insurance companies, to other governments, to companies, to data other governments, to companies, to data other governments, to companies, to data brokers who can sell to all the above. brokers who can sell to all the above. brokers who can sell to all the above. That's not happening. I don't know, Mr. That's not happening. I don't know, Mr. That's not happening. I don't know, Mr. T-shirt billionaire. Is it happening? T-shirt billionaire. Is it happening? T-shirt billionaire. Is it happening? Shut up. But in other words, he's Shut up. But in other words, he's Shut up. But in other words, he's reserving the right to use tax dollars reserving the right to use tax dollars reserving the right to use tax dollars to know everything about you. But if you to know everything about you. But if you to know everything about you. But if you want to know anything about their want to know anything about their want to know anything about their company, Flock Safety, you're a company, Flock Safety, you're a company, Flock Safety, you're a terrorist. Oh, you're a terrorist.

terrorist. Oh, you're a terrorist. terrorist. Oh, you're a terrorist. It's a terroristic organization. Are It's a terroristic organization. Are It's a terroristic organization. Are they kidding acts of terror? No. They're they kidding acts of terror? No. They're they kidding acts of terror? No. They're actually disseminating knowledge that actually disseminating knowledge that actually disseminating knowledge that he's not contesting as factual. He's not he's not contesting as factual. He's not he's not contesting as factual. He's not saying it's wrong. It's it's accurate. saying it's wrong. It's it's accurate. saying it's wrong. It's it's accurate. That's why he calls them terrorists. How That's why he calls them terrorists. How That's why he calls them terrorists. How dare you? dare you? dare you? You get to know everything. This is sort You get to know everything. This is sort You get to know everything. This is sort of the deal the government has with us of the deal the government has with us of the deal the government has with us or federal law enforcement has with us. or federal law enforcement has with us. or federal law enforcement has with us. You lie to an FBI agent, any federal You lie to an FBI agent, any federal You lie to an FBI agent, any federal agent, go right to jail. Then if you agent, go right to jail. Then if you agent, go right to jail. Then if you live long enough, you'll know people who live long enough, you'll know people who live long enough, you'll know people who do go to jail for doing that. So of do go to jail for doing that. So of do go to jail for doing that. So of course the FBI can't lie to you, right? course the FBI can't lie to you, right? course the FBI can't lie to you, right? Oh yes, they can. So in other words, Oh yes, they can. So in other words, Oh yes, they can. So in other words, your employees that you pay who work for your employees that you pay who work for your employees that you pay who work for you, an FBI agent works for you. Hey, you, an FBI agent works for you. Hey, you, an FBI agent works for you. Hey, get me a cup of coffee, son. get me a cup of coffee, son. get me a cup of coffee, son. That's the posture. He works for you. That's the posture. He works for you. That's the posture. He works for you. He's your employee. He's your He's your employee. He's your He's your employee. He's your housekeeper with a gun. housekeeper with a gun. housekeeper with a gun. You're paying his salary. You're paying his salary. You're paying his salary. But if you lie to him, you go to jail. But if you lie to him, you go to jail. But if you lie to him, you go to jail. But he is absolutely allowed to lie to But he is absolutely allowed to lie to But he is absolutely allowed to lie to you and does all the time and faces no you and does all the time and faces no you and does all the time and faces no penalty because there's no law against penalty because there's no law against penalty because there's no law against it. Well, that's called asymmetrical.

it. Well, that's called asymmetrical. it. Well, that's called asymmetrical. That's called unjust. That's called unjust. That's called unjust. And that's been true for a long time. And that's been true for a long time. And that's been true for a long time. But now you have a so-called private But now you have a so-called private But now you have a so-called private sector company, sector company, sector company, a defender of what he described, the a defender of what he described, the a defender of what he described, the t-shirt kid, billionaire described as t-shirt kid, billionaire described as t-shirt kid, billionaire described as capitalism. Capitalism. Oh, it's really capitalism. Capitalism. Oh, it's really capitalism. Capitalism. Oh, it's really it's capitalism. Huh. Taking money from it's capitalism. Huh. Taking money from it's capitalism. Huh. Taking money from the public without their consent, spying the public without their consent, spying the public without their consent, spying on them, and then if they try to even on them, and then if they try to even on them, and then if they try to even know what's going on, they're terrorists know what's going on, they're terrorists know what's going on, they're terrorists like Antifa who are against order. like Antifa who are against order. like Antifa who are against order. Yeah. So that's not a sustainable Yeah. So that's not a sustainable Yeah. So that's not a sustainable system, by the way. And across the system, by the way. And across the system, by the way. And across the country, these very obvious and clearly country, these very obvious and clearly country, these very obvious and clearly identified on deflock.com. God bless identified on deflock.com. God bless identified on deflock.com. God bless them for doing that. Cameras are under them for doing that. Cameras are under them for doing that. Cameras are under assault. It's hard to know how many assault. It's hard to know how many assault. It's hard to know how many flock on their website says not many. flock on their website says not many. flock on their website says not many. Well, it seems like a lot. Well, it seems like a lot. Well, it seems like a lot. But pretty soon it won't matter because But pretty soon it won't matter because But pretty soon it won't matter because they're going to be in drones. they're going to be in drones. they're going to be in drones. And unless you're an extremely good shot And unless you're an extremely good shot And unless you're an extremely good shot with a tightly choked 12 gauge, you're with a tightly choked 12 gauge, you're with a tightly choked 12 gauge, you're probably not going to knock one down. probably not going to knock one down. probably not going to knock one down. And if you do, you're going right to And if you do, you're going right to And if you do, you're going right to jail discharging a firearm. jail discharging a firearm. jail discharging a firearm. So, they get to like hover over your So, they get to like hover over your So, they get to like hover over your bedroom window if they want. There's no bedroom window if they want. There's no bedroom window if they want. There's no law against it. Watch you and your wife law against it. Watch you and your wife law against it. Watch you and your wife and listen. But if you take any action and listen. But if you take any action and listen. But if you take any action at all or even complain too loudly or at all or even complain too loudly or at all or even complain too loudly or tell other people that it's happening, tell other people that it's happening, tell other people that it's happening, you're a terrorist.

you're a terrorist. you're a terrorist. Okay. Now, Okay. Now, Okay. Now, so while we can, in other words, while so while we can, in other words, while so while we can, in other words, while these surveillance devices, this whole these surveillance devices, this whole these surveillance devices, this whole North Korean setup that we're building North Korean setup that we're building North Korean setup that we're building here in the United States is still here in the United States is still here in the United States is still visible to us before it's all airborne visible to us before it's all airborne visible to us before it's all airborne and there's literally nothing you can do and there's literally nothing you can do and there's literally nothing you can do about it. You might not even know it's about it. You might not even know it's about it. You might not even know it's there at that point. There'll be no way there at that point. There'll be no way there at that point. There'll be no way to identify it. There'll be no deflocked to identify it. There'll be no deflocked to identify it. There'll be no deflocked for drones because they're mobile. for drones because they're mobile. for drones because they're mobile. So during this moment when we can talk So during this moment when we can talk So during this moment when we can talk about it, it seems like maybe it's worth about it, it seems like maybe it's worth about it, it seems like maybe it's worth talking about it. We're not big on debt, talking about it. We're not big on debt, talking about it. We're not big on debt, but there are times when you have to but there are times when you have to but there are times when you have to take a loan, can't put it on your credit take a loan, can't put it on your credit take a loan, can't put it on your credit card and pay 30% interest. You got to go card and pay 30% interest. You got to go card and pay 30% interest. You got to go to a bank. But going to a big bank is a to a bank. But going to a big bank is a to a bank. But going to a big bank is a very unpleasant experience. That's why very unpleasant experience. That's why very unpleasant experience. That's why we recommend Cardiff. Cardiff is a small we recommend Cardiff. Cardiff is a small we recommend Cardiff. Cardiff is a small business lender, America's favorite, and business lender, America's favorite, and business lender, America's favorite, and for good reason. 20 years of experience, for good reason. 20 years of experience, for good reason. 20 years of experience, 12 billion dollars loaned. Cardiff has a 12 billion dollars loaned. Cardiff has a 12 billion dollars loaned. Cardiff has a simple way to secure capital for your simple way to secure capital for your simple way to secure capital for your business without the endless bureaucracy business without the endless bureaucracy business without the endless bureaucracy you're going to get at a massive bank in you're going to get at a massive bank in you're going to get at a massive bank in New York. Process is fast. Application New York. Process is fast. Application New York. Process is fast. Application is takes 3 minutes. Approvals can happen is takes 3 minutes. Approvals can happen is takes 3 minutes. Approvals can happen just as quickly. The barrier to entry is just as quickly. The barrier to entry is just as quickly. The barrier to entry is low. If you've been in business for at low. If you've been in business for at low. If you've been in business for at least one year and make at least $20,000 least one year and make at least $20,000 least one year and make at least $20,000 a month in revenue, that's revenue, not a month in revenue, that's revenue, not a month in revenue, that's revenue, not profit, just money in, you could qualify profit, just money in, you could qualify profit, just money in, you could qualify for up to 500 grand. Those funds can hit for up to 500 grand. Those funds can hit for up to 500 grand. Those funds can hit your account the day your loan is your account the day your loan is your account the day your loan is approved. Small business is the American approved. Small business is the American approved. Small business is the American economy. Always has been. We hope it economy. Always has been. We hope it economy. Always has been. We hope it always will be. So, if you want to build always will be. So, if you want to build always will be. So, if you want to build something real, you need a partner who something real, you need a partner who something real, you need a partner who wants to help you succeed. Cardiff could

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Ben, are you there? And he joins us now. Ben, are you there? And he joins us now. Ben, are you there? >> Yeah, I'm here. How are you? >> Yeah, I'm here. How are you? >> Yeah, I'm here. How are you? >> I'm great. Thank you for the work that >> I'm great. Thank you for the work that >> I'm great. Thank you for the work that you've done on this. So, why are you you've done on this. So, why are you you've done on this. So, why are you concerned concerned concerned about license plate readers flock about license plate readers flock about license plate readers flock cameras? What I mean, we're told that cameras? What I mean, we're told that cameras? What I mean, we're told that look, it's it's for your safety, okay? look, it's it's for your safety, okay? look, it's it's for your safety, okay? Okay. And unless you want to be a Okay. And unless you want to be a Okay. And unless you want to be a terrorist, you should probably shut up terrorist, you should probably shut up terrorist, you should probably shut up about it. And there's nothing to be about it. And there's nothing to be about it. And there's nothing to be worried about at all if you're not doing worried about at all if you're not doing worried about at all if you're not doing something wrong. something wrong. something wrong. >> So, I'm not doing anything wrong. Why >> So, I'm not doing anything wrong. Why >> So, I'm not doing anything wrong. Why should I be worried about it? should I be worried about it? should I be worried about it? >> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of reasons >> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of reasons >> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of reasons to be worried about it. One, one push to be worried about it. One, one push to be worried about it. One, one push back I always get is people saying, "I back I always get is people saying, "I back I always get is people saying, "I have nothing to hide." And I feel like have nothing to hide." And I feel like have nothing to hide." And I feel like that is one of the most inaccurate that is one of the most inaccurate that is one of the most inaccurate statements ever. What when somebody says statements ever. What when somebody says statements ever. What when somebody says that to me, I always ask them to hand me that to me, I always ask them to hand me that to me, I always ask them to hand me their phone and unlock it and let me go their phone and unlock it and let me go their phone and unlock it and let me go into the other room for a while and into the other room for a while and into the other room for a while and just, you know, why do you got something just, you know, why do you got something just, you know, why do you got something illegal on there? Let me look at it. Um, illegal on there? Let me look at it. Um, illegal on there? Let me look at it. Um, but yeah, anybody who's ever been but yeah, anybody who's ever been but yeah, anybody who's ever been stalked, who's been falsely accused of a stalked, who's been falsely accused of a stalked, who's been falsely accused of a crime, anybody who's ever been hacked, crime, anybody who's ever been hacked, crime, anybody who's ever been hacked, who's had their identity stolen, they who's had their identity stolen, they who's had their identity stolen, they all have stuff to hide. And that it's all have stuff to hide. And that it's all have stuff to hide. And that it's when those terrible things happen to when those terrible things happen to when those terrible things happen to you, when you realize, oh, I actually you, when you realize, oh, I actually you, when you realize, oh, I actually have a lot to hide, and this is really have a lot to hide, and this is really have a lot to hide, and this is really important. Um, as far as the first thing important. Um, as far as the first thing important. Um, as far as the first thing that I always when I talk to like a that I always when I talk to like a that I always when I talk to like a police chief or something like that, the police chief or something like that, the police chief or something like that, the first thing I always tell them is that first thing I always tell them is that first thing I always tell them is that this is a third-party tech startup.

this is a third-party tech startup. this is a third-party tech startup. They're not even a public company. It's They're not even a public company. It's They're not even a public company. It's a private company that has venture a private company that has venture a private company that has venture capital investors, but one of which is capital investors, but one of which is capital investors, but one of which is on on the hook for Cambridge Analytica, on on the hook for Cambridge Analytica, on on the hook for Cambridge Analytica, by the way. And they have one job, and by the way. And they have one job, and by the way. And they have one job, and that job is to make as much money as that job is to make as much money as that job is to make as much money as possible. So, they're going to tell you possible. So, they're going to tell you possible. So, they're going to tell you whatever it is that you need to hear to whatever it is that you need to hear to whatever it is that you need to hear to put as many cameras in your community as put as many cameras in your community as put as many cameras in your community as possible. They're going to tell you that possible. They're going to tell you that possible. They're going to tell you that it helps solve crime, that it'll it helps solve crime, that it'll it helps solve crime, that it'll increase your clearance rates. And the increase your clearance rates. And the increase your clearance rates. And the fact is is that they don't have any fact is is that they don't have any fact is is that they don't have any evidence of doing any of that. evidence of doing any of that. evidence of doing any of that. So, the crime thing, it does seem like So, the crime thing, it does seem like So, the crime thing, it does seem like we we tried to find the numbers. Crime we we tried to find the numbers. Crime we we tried to find the numbers. Crime stats are complicated. Um, cross stats are complicated. Um, cross stats are complicated. Um, cross referencing them with what we know about referencing them with what we know about referencing them with what we know about these cameras and where they are. these cameras and where they are. these cameras and where they are. >> It didn't seem like they well, they >> It didn't seem like they well, they >> It didn't seem like they well, they certainly hadn't eliminated crime in certainly hadn't eliminated crime in certainly hadn't eliminated crime in like Oakland or Houston or places that like Oakland or Houston or places that like Oakland or Houston or places that have a real problem with crime, have a real problem with crime, have a real problem with crime, >> but it seems intuitive that like if you >> but it seems intuitive that like if you >> but it seems intuitive that like if you spy on everyone all the time, there will spy on everyone all the time, there will spy on everyone all the time, there will be less crime. Like, that doesn't seem be less crime. Like, that doesn't seem be less crime. Like, that doesn't seem like a crazy claim. like a crazy claim. like a crazy claim. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, criminology and >> Yeah. Well, I mean, criminology and >> Yeah. Well, I mean, criminology and sociology are incredibly chaotic. We sociology are incredibly chaotic. We sociology are incredibly chaotic. We actually as a society don't even know if actually as a society don't even know if actually as a society don't even know if increasing police reduces crime, right?

increasing police reduces crime, right? increasing police reduces crime, right? Like that can go either way depending on Like that can go either way depending on Like that can go either way depending on what city it is. what city it is. what city it is. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, one of my favorite studies uh was one of my favorite studies uh was one of my favorite studies uh was actually on dog ownership. Like, does actually on dog ownership. Like, does actually on dog ownership. Like, does having a security dog um or having a lot having a security dog um or having a lot having a security dog um or having a lot of dogs in a neighborhood reduce crime? of dogs in a neighborhood reduce crime? of dogs in a neighborhood reduce crime? And it actually did. And the reason was And it actually did. And the reason was And it actually did. And the reason was because people walk their dogs and they because people walk their dogs and they because people walk their dogs and they walk around and they get to know their walk around and they get to know their walk around and they get to know their neighbors and they might even get to neighbors and they might even get to neighbors and they might even get to know their police more, you know, if know their police more, you know, if know their police more, you know, if they have police on foot walking around they have police on foot walking around they have police on foot walking around the neighborhood. And that makes the neighborhood. And that makes the neighborhood. And that makes everybody safer. Like the only thing everybody safer. Like the only thing everybody safer. Like the only thing that we truly know that lowers crime is that we truly know that lowers crime is that we truly know that lowers crime is community policing. Is people trusting community policing. Is people trusting community policing. Is people trusting their police officers and and saying, their police officers and and saying, their police officers and and saying, "Hey, there's a gang member that all of "Hey, there's a gang member that all of "Hey, there's a gang member that all of a sudden bought a gun. I think a sudden bought a gun. I think a sudden bought a gun. I think something's going to go down. I saw something's going to go down. I saw something's going to go down. I saw this." they'll have that they'll have this." they'll have that they'll have this." they'll have that they'll have that conversation with their police that conversation with their police that conversation with their police department and then they could actually department and then they could actually department and then they could actually reduce crime and they could prevent reduce crime and they could prevent reduce crime and they could prevent victims from happening. So, it's not a victims from happening. So, it's not a victims from happening. So, it's not a matter of getting somebody's license matter of getting somebody's license matter of getting somebody's license plate and then arresting them down the plate and then arresting them down the plate and then arresting them down the road. It you don't have a victim in the road. It you don't have a victim in the road. It you don't have a victim in the first place. And I feel in most of the first place. And I feel in most of the first place. And I feel in most of the communities that I've visited, and I'm communities that I've visited, and I'm communities that I've visited, and I'm literally on the road right now visiting literally on the road right now visiting literally on the road right now visiting communities, talking to city council communities, talking to city council communities, talking to city council members and stuff like that. Um, in most members and stuff like that. Um, in most members and stuff like that. Um, in most of these communities, the public feels of these communities, the public feels of these communities, the public feels like the the license plate readers, like the the license plate readers, like the the license plate readers, specifically from Flock, are betraying specifically from Flock, are betraying specifically from Flock, are betraying the relationship that they have with the relationship that they have with the relationship that they have with police. They're actually violating that police. They're actually violating that police. They're actually violating that social contract where people expect social contract where people expect social contract where people expect privacy and they're not being given.

privacy and they're not being given. privacy and they're not being given. >> Well, I mean, if surveillance created >> Well, I mean, if surveillance created >> Well, I mean, if surveillance created safety, then prisons would be very safe, safety, then prisons would be very safe, safety, then prisons would be very safe, but they're very dangerous. So, I guess but they're very dangerous. So, I guess but they're very dangerous. So, I guess that's obvious, right, now that I think that's obvious, right, now that I think that's obvious, right, now that I think about it. I one thing that I I the thing about it. I one thing that I I the thing about it. I one thing that I I the thing that a lot of people also don't think that a lot of people also don't think that a lot of people also don't think about it one of my favorite analogies about it one of my favorite analogies about it one of my favorite analogies and this is used by the ACLU often is if and this is used by the ACLU often is if and this is used by the ACLU often is if you're driving somewhere and a cop pulls you're driving somewhere and a cop pulls you're driving somewhere and a cop pulls behind you at a stoplight you behind you at a stoplight you behind you at a stoplight you immediately change the way you behave immediately change the way you behave immediately change the way you behave you start you know you might be really you start you know you might be really you start you know you might be really into a song you're listening to now into a song you're listening to now into a song you're listening to now you're distracted by the cop you might you're distracted by the cop you might you're distracted by the cop you might be in a conversation for some reason the be in a conversation for some reason the be in a conversation for some reason the flow of that conversation changes even flow of that conversation changes even flow of that conversation changes even if you've done nothing wrong we all just if you've done nothing wrong we all just if you've done nothing wrong we all just have that weird feeling where this have that weird feeling where this have that weird feeling where this person who is able to, I don't know, person who is able to, I don't know, person who is able to, I don't know, handcuff us, pull us over, write us a handcuff us, pull us over, write us a handcuff us, pull us over, write us a ticket, shoot us, whatever they want to ticket, shoot us, whatever they want to ticket, shoot us, whatever they want to do. Um, when that person's behind us and do. Um, when that person's behind us and do. Um, when that person's behind us and surveilling us and looking in and surveilling us and looking in and surveilling us and looking in and saying, "H, what's that guy up to? Is he saying, "H, what's that guy up to? Is he saying, "H, what's that guy up to? Is he up to no good?" We start behaving up to no good?" We start behaving up to no good?" We start behaving differently. And so when you put cameras differently. And so when you put cameras differently. And so when you put cameras in front of playgrounds, and there's in front of playgrounds, and there's in front of playgrounds, and there's plenty of flat cameras in front of plenty of flat cameras in front of plenty of flat cameras in front of playgrounds, which is baffling to me. playgrounds, which is baffling to me. playgrounds, which is baffling to me. Um, nobody's saying, "Hey, doesn't this Um, nobody's saying, "Hey, doesn't this Um, nobody's saying, "Hey, doesn't this affect the way kids play?" Like when I affect the way kids play?" Like when I affect the way kids play?" Like when I learned how to do a cartwheel the first learned how to do a cartwheel the first learned how to do a cartwheel the first time when I was a kid or when I learned time when I was a kid or when I learned time when I was a kid or when I learned how to play the guitar, I didn't have how to play the guitar, I didn't have how to play the guitar, I didn't have anybody watching me. I had to be alone anybody watching me. I had to be alone anybody watching me. I had to be alone to do that. I needed my privacy to be to do that. I needed my privacy to be to do that. I needed my privacy to be able to find my own identity and find able to find my own identity and find able to find my own identity and find what I'm so good at, what I'm so good at, what I'm so good at, >> which isn't cartwheels, by the way.

>> which isn't cartwheels, by the way. >> which isn't cartwheels, by the way. >> It's a really No, I think that's such a >> It's a really No, I think that's such a >> It's a really No, I think that's such a wise point and a deep point. Um, so like wise point and a deep point. Um, so like wise point and a deep point. Um, so like to what extent did communities have a to what extent did communities have a to what extent did communities have a say in this? say in this? say in this? >> Barely any. Most people to the up until >> Barely any. Most people to the up until >> Barely any. Most people to the up until we started releasing uh big videos on we started releasing uh big videos on we started releasing uh big videos on this and that started going in the news, this and that started going in the news, this and that started going in the news, most people didn't even know what the most people didn't even know what the most people didn't even know what the cameras were. They didn't realize that cameras were. They didn't realize that cameras were. They didn't realize that they were storing their data every they were storing their data every they were storing their data every single time they passed it for 30 days. single time they passed it for 30 days. single time they passed it for 30 days. So every single So it's as if in my So every single So it's as if in my So every single So it's as if in my neighborhood, for example, in Atlanta, neighborhood, for example, in Atlanta, neighborhood, for example, in Atlanta, it's as if I had a GPS unit on my car. I it's as if I had a GPS unit on my car. I it's as if I had a GPS unit on my car. I can't go to Chick-fil-A or a grocery can't go to Chick-fil-A or a grocery can't go to Chick-fil-A or a grocery store or do anything without the police store or do anything without the police store or do anything without the police knowing about it despite having not I'm knowing about it despite having not I'm knowing about it despite having not I'm not suspected of committing any crime. not suspected of committing any crime. not suspected of committing any crime. >> So, I mean, shouldn't there be like a >> So, I mean, shouldn't there be like a >> So, I mean, shouldn't there be like a period where the town, the city of period where the town, the city of period where the town, the city of Atlanta in your case, says to the Atlanta in your case, says to the Atlanta in your case, says to the public, you know, we're going to put public, you know, we're going to put public, you know, we're going to put North Korea style surveillance posts all North Korea style surveillance posts all North Korea style surveillance posts all around the city. Like, are you for this? around the city. Like, are you for this? around the city. Like, are you for this? Are you against it? Like, here's the Are you against it? Like, here's the Are you against it? Like, here's the trade-off that we're thinking about.

trade-off that we're thinking about. trade-off that we're thinking about. What do you think? There was no What do you think? There was no What do you think? There was no Democratic input that you're aware of. Democratic input that you're aware of. Democratic input that you're aware of. >> No, it's very and most people I've been >> No, it's very and most people I've been >> No, it's very and most people I've been out of pocket. I've been paying for out of pocket. I've been paying for out of pocket. I've been paying for polling to find out, you know, how many polling to find out, you know, how many polling to find out, you know, how many people are for this, how many people are people are for this, how many people are people are for this, how many people are against this. And overwhelmingly against this. And overwhelmingly against this. And overwhelmingly Americans are against it. And one thing Americans are against it. And one thing Americans are against it. And one thing that I find interesting is uh you're that I find interesting is uh you're that I find interesting is uh you're seeing a lot of people on on both sides seeing a lot of people on on both sides seeing a lot of people on on both sides of the political aisle be against it at of the political aisle be against it at of the political aisle be against it at the same time, which it's like the only the same time, which it's like the only the same time, which it's like the only issue in America right now where issue in America right now where issue in America right now where everybody's kind of getting along and everybody's kind of getting along and everybody's kind of getting along and being like, being like, being like, >> "Yeah, we don't want that. We hate it." >> "Yeah, we don't want that. We hate it." >> "Yeah, we don't want that. We hate it." And I think that's that's really And I think that's that's really And I think that's that's really important because as you had just shown important because as you had just shown important because as you had just shown um the as you had just shown that video um the as you had just shown that video um the as you had just shown that video with the Garrett Langley interview, um with the Garrett Langley interview, um with the Garrett Langley interview, um he's very quick to say the word Antifa. he's very quick to say the word Antifa. he's very quick to say the word Antifa. He after some of my videos came out, he He after some of my videos came out, he He after some of my videos came out, he emailed police chiefs around the emailed police chiefs around the emailed police chiefs around the country, his client, from his personal country, his client, from his personal country, his client, from his personal email address, telling them that they email address, telling them that they email address, telling them that they were under attack by lawless activists were under attack by lawless activists were under attack by lawless activists who want to defund the police. And you who want to defund the police. And you who want to defund the police. And you know, I'm like, I've never wanted to know, I'm like, I've never wanted to know, I'm like, I've never wanted to defund the police. I I you know, that's defund the police. I I you know, that's defund the police. I I you know, that's never been a stance of mine. And just never been a stance of mine. And just never been a stance of mine. And just the other day, he did an interview the other day, he did an interview the other day, he did an interview saying that uh people like Flock. They saying that uh people like Flock. They saying that uh people like Flock. They don't hate Flock, they hate the Trump don't hate Flock, they hate the Trump don't hate Flock, they hate the Trump administration. Like he literally said administration. Like he literally said administration. Like he literally said this in an interview and he he just this in an interview and he he just this in an interview and he he just seems to be trying so hard to act like seems to be trying so hard to act like seems to be trying so hard to act like conservatives are aligned with him and conservatives are aligned with him and conservatives are aligned with him and that it's the left that's against him.

that it's the left that's against him. that it's the left that's against him. But I'm trying to make it very clear But I'm trying to make it very clear But I'm trying to make it very clear that one of the reasons I'm here right that one of the reasons I'm here right that one of the reasons I'm here right now, conservatives are not aligned with now, conservatives are not aligned with now, conservatives are not aligned with him. Conservatives have classically him. Conservatives have classically him. Conservatives have classically always been anti-surveillance and and always been anti-surveillance and and always been anti-surveillance and and pro pro pro >> of course starting at Orwell who was >> of course starting at Orwell who was >> of course starting at Orwell who was famously a socialist and sometimes famously a socialist and sometimes famously a socialist and sometimes identified as a communist but whose identified as a communist but whose identified as a communist but whose views are like beloved by every views are like beloved by every views are like beloved by every conservative I know. So it's like I conservative I know. So it's like I conservative I know. So it's like I don't even know what those terms mean. don't even know what those terms mean. don't even know what those terms mean. If you're for America, if you're for If you're for America, if you're for If you're for America, if you're for human dignity, if you're for privacy, human dignity, if you're for privacy, human dignity, if you're for privacy, you oppose this. And that partisan crap you oppose this. And that partisan crap you oppose this. And that partisan crap is not applicable on questions like is not applicable on questions like is not applicable on questions like this. These are human rights. They're this. These are human rights. They're this. These are human rights. They're not political rights. So, I have to So, not political rights. So, I have to So, not political rights. So, I have to So, that kid Garrett, whatever his name is, that kid Garrett, whatever his name is, that kid Garrett, whatever his name is, was just put my was just put my was just put my >> I think it's actually three 12y olds >> I think it's actually three 12y olds >> I think it's actually three 12y olds dressed on top of one another in an dressed on top of one another in an dressed on top of one another in an adult human costume. adult human costume. adult human costume. >> That's so good. That's exact That's so >> That's so good. That's exact That's so >> That's so good. That's exact That's so Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> I figured it out, Garrett. I know what's >> I figured it out, Garrett. I know what's >> I figured it out, Garrett. I know what's going on. going on. going on. >> That is so good. Okay. Exactly. Um and I >> That is so good. Okay. Exactly. Um and I >> That is so good. Okay. Exactly. Um and I hate to be mean to this one kid, but it hate to be mean to this one kid, but it hate to be mean to this one kid, but it it's like what's his I mean, he's it's like what's his I mean, he's it's like what's his I mean, he's getting rich from this from tax dollars, getting rich from this from tax dollars, getting rich from this from tax dollars, by the way. and and then lecturing the by the way. and and then lecturing the by the way. and and then lecturing the people who are being abused by it.

people who are being abused by it. people who are being abused by it. There's something about that combination There's something about that combination There's something about that combination that infuriated me. But he said, "Well, that infuriated me. But he said, "Well, that infuriated me. But he said, "Well, you know, there's the ACLU." Now, as you know, there's the ACLU." Now, as you know, there's the ACLU." Now, as someone who grew up admiring, sincerely someone who grew up admiring, sincerely someone who grew up admiring, sincerely admiring the ACLU, I wish the ACLU were admiring the ACLU, I wish the ACLU were admiring the ACLU, I wish the ACLU were leading the fight on this, but you don't leading the fight on this, but you don't leading the fight on this, but you don't work for the ACLU, do you? Who do you work for the ACLU, do you? Who do you work for the ACLU, do you? Who do you work for? work for? work for? >> No. Um, but I am I am a I've just met >> No. Um, but I am I am a I've just met >> No. Um, but I am I am a I've just met with the ACLU yesterday with somebody with the ACLU yesterday with somebody with the ACLU yesterday with somebody from the ACLU. They they're a little bit from the ACLU. They they're a little bit from the ACLU. They they're a little bit less public on this, but they are less public on this, but they are less public on this, but they are supporting people who are filing suits. supporting people who are filing suits. supporting people who are filing suits. They are they are involved in it, but They are they are involved in it, but They are they are involved in it, but much less publicly, which is part of the much less publicly, which is part of the much less publicly, which is part of the reason I was having a meeting with them reason I was having a meeting with them reason I was having a meeting with them is because they're like, "Hey, you're is because they're like, "Hey, you're is because they're like, "Hey, you're kind of the face of this right now. Do kind of the face of this right now. Do kind of the face of this right now. Do you want to maybe we'll give you some you want to maybe we'll give you some you want to maybe we'll give you some resources to help?" And so um yeah, the resources to help?" And so um yeah, the resources to help?" And so um yeah, the ACLU, the EFF, the Electronic Frontiers ACLU, the EFF, the Electronic Frontiers ACLU, the EFF, the Electronic Frontiers Foundation, they've also been um they Foundation, they've also been um they Foundation, they've also been um they actually the person who uh made DFlock, actually the person who uh made DFlock, actually the person who uh made DFlock, his name's Will, um Flock sent him a his name's Will, um Flock sent him a his name's Will, um Flock sent him a cease and assist and they stepped in and cease and assist and they stepped in and cease and assist and they stepped in and said, "We have a legal team. We'll check said, "We have a legal team. We'll check said, "We have a legal team. We'll check this out." and you know told flock to this out." and you know told flock to this out." and you know told flock to pound sand. So um they've been very pound sand. So um they've been very pound sand. So um they've been very helpful in that regard. helpful in that regard. helpful in that regard. >> Home ownership has always been at the >> Home ownership has always been at the >> Home ownership has always been at the center of the American dream. It is an center of the American dream. It is an center of the American dream. It is an actual asset, a place people work their actual asset, a place people work their actual asset, a place people work their entire lives to build, a place of entire lives to build, a place of entire lives to build, a place of stability and security and real value.

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sounds go? Where does the data go? sounds go? Where does the data go? Um, so typically what happens with your Um, so typically what happens with your Um, so typically what happens with your standard flock camera, like the black standard flock camera, like the black standard flock camera, like the black ones that you see, they're called like ones that you see, they're called like ones that you see, they're called like falcons. That's the model name of them. falcons. That's the model name of them. falcons. That's the model name of them. Um, they will see a license plate, Um, they will see a license plate, Um, they will see a license plate, they'll take a picture, and then they'll they'll take a picture, and then they'll they'll take a picture, and then they'll send it to uh the flock servers where send it to uh the flock servers where send it to uh the flock servers where the police can access it whenever. So if the police can access it whenever. So if the police can access it whenever. So if the police, let's say you had a brown the police, let's say you had a brown the police, let's say you had a brown car with a bumper sticker and maybe a car with a bumper sticker and maybe a car with a bumper sticker and maybe a broken window, the AI actually picks broken window, the AI actually picks broken window, the AI actually picks that up. And so not only your license that up. And so not only your license that up. And so not only your license plate, the police can just search brown plate, the police can just search brown plate, the police can just search brown car, brown car, brown car, broken car, brown car, brown car, broken car, brown car, brown car, broken window, and then they'll be able to find window, and then they'll be able to find window, and then they'll be able to find every single time that you've passed a every single time that you've passed a every single time that you've passed a camera. But it gets worse than that camera. But it gets worse than that camera. But it gets worse than that because they they have something called because they they have something called because they they have something called a hot list where they could put your a hot list where they could put your a hot list where they could put your license plate on a hot list and then license plate on a hot list and then license plate on a hot list and then every single time that you pass a every single time that you pass a every single time that you pass a license plate, the police get a license plate, the police get a license plate, the police get a notification saying this person is here. notification saying this person is here. notification saying this person is here. This person's here, this person's here. This person's here, this person's here. This person's here, this person's here. And they don't need a warrant to do And they don't need a warrant to do And they don't need a warrant to do this, which is the most staggering part. this, which is the most staggering part. this, which is the most staggering part. It's just this is no different than It's just this is no different than It's just this is no different than putting a GPS on somebody's car putting a GPS on somebody's car putting a GPS on somebody's car functionally if you have a lot of flack functionally if you have a lot of flack functionally if you have a lot of flack cameras around and pinging somebody cameras around and pinging somebody cameras around and pinging somebody beyond one cell phone tower. What the beyond one cell phone tower. What the beyond one cell phone tower. What the Supreme Court had not that long ago Supreme Court had not that long ago Supreme Court had not that long ago actually decided that that was actually decided that that was actually decided that that was unconstitutional. So I just don't see unconstitutional. So I just don't see unconstitutional. So I just don't see how this is how this is how this is >> what what's the status of the drones >> what what's the status of the drones >> what what's the status of the drones flock is saying publicly, you know, we flock is saying publicly, you know, we flock is saying publicly, you know, we have a drone fleet. We're expanding our have a drone fleet. We're expanding our have a drone fleet. We're expanding our drone fleet. Um it how big is that drone fleet. Um it how big is that drone fleet. Um it how big is that fleet? Do you know? And that does seem fleet? Do you know? And that does seem fleet? Do you know? And that does seem to change the calculation.

to change the calculation. to change the calculation. >> I was I had just done an interview next >> I was I had just done an interview next >> I was I had just done an interview next to on and and not on the property but to on and and not on the property but to on and and not on the property but next to the property of their secret next to the property of their secret next to the property of their secret drone facility which has a construction drone facility which has a construction drone facility which has a construction company name on it. It doesn't have the company name on it. It doesn't have the company name on it. It doesn't have the flock safety name. Um and they called flock safety name. Um and they called flock safety name. Um and they called the police and had me detained for doing the police and had me detained for doing the police and had me detained for doing an interview across the street for it. an interview across the street for it. an interview across the street for it. Um they Yeah, they have a drone Um they Yeah, they have a drone Um they Yeah, they have a drone facility. their their idea is to have facility. their their idea is to have facility. their their idea is to have drones that are persistently in the air. drones that are persistently in the air. drones that are persistently in the air. That's what some Flock employees have That's what some Flock employees have That's what some Flock employees have told me um as of like a year ago. Uh told me um as of like a year ago. Uh told me um as of like a year ago. Uh they do have something called emergency they do have something called emergency they do have something called emergency responder drones that I don't really responder drones that I don't really responder drones that I don't really have a huge problem with. Like if my have a huge problem with. Like if my have a huge problem with. Like if my house is on fire, I kind of want a drone house is on fire, I kind of want a drone house is on fire, I kind of want a drone to fly by really fast and let let the to fly by really fast and let let the to fly by really fast and let let the fire department know how many trucks to fire department know how many trucks to fire department know how many trucks to send. But what they're doing is a lot send. But what they're doing is a lot send. But what they're doing is a lot different than that. They want drones different than that. They want drones different than that. They want drones that are persistently in the air and that are persistently in the air and that are persistently in the air and then, you know, when it runs out of then, you know, when it runs out of then, you know, when it runs out of batteries, one will go down, one will go batteries, one will go down, one will go batteries, one will go down, one will go back up and it'll be able to surveil back up and it'll be able to surveil back up and it'll be able to surveil every single person under it. every single person under it. every single person under it. >> You're describing a war zone. I mean, >> You're describing a war zone. I mean, >> You're describing a war zone. I mean, there are a couple hot war zones in the there are a couple hot war zones in the there are a couple hot war zones in the world, right? Several. And there are world, right? Several. And there are world, right? Several. And there are permanently drones in the air. So, why permanently drones in the air. So, why permanently drones in the air. So, why would the why would our government be would the why would our government be would the why would our government be using We're not enemy combatants, we're using We're not enemy combatants, we're using We're not enemy combatants, we're Americans. Why would they be treating us Americans. Why would they be treating us Americans. Why would they be treating us >> like we're the enemy?

>> like we're the enemy? >> like we're the enemy? Um I mean so the true I I want to joke Um I mean so the true I I want to joke Um I mean so the true I I want to joke and say because it makes us safer but um and say because it makes us safer but um and say because it makes us safer but um I think uh that the truth is is that all I think uh that the truth is is that all I think uh that the truth is is that all up all flock has spent hundreds of up all flock has spent hundreds of up all flock has spent hundreds of millions billions of dollars um on their millions billions of dollars um on their millions billions of dollars um on their their product and marketing but their their product and marketing but their their product and marketing but their marketing has been towards police and marketing has been towards police and marketing has been towards police and they market they have studies that they they market they have studies that they they market they have studies that they wrote themselves that they point to wrote themselves that they point to wrote themselves that they point to saying look how good this is for look saying look how good this is for look saying look how good this is for look how much safer this makes your community how much safer this makes your community how much safer this makes your community how much better makes your job. They how much better makes your job. They how much better makes your job. They have conventions where they invite the have conventions where they invite the have conventions where they invite the police officers and give them freebies. police officers and give them freebies. police officers and give them freebies. Um, and then there's also a really large Um, and then there's also a really large Um, and then there's also a really large uh revolving door effect where if you uh revolving door effect where if you uh revolving door effect where if you even go down LinkedIn, go down like even go down LinkedIn, go down like even go down LinkedIn, go down like flock employees, you'll find, you know, flock employees, you'll find, you know, flock employees, you'll find, you know, the head of communications happened to the head of communications happened to the head of communications happened to be a police officer in Dallas um a year be a police officer in Dallas um a year be a police officer in Dallas um a year before and he happened to be the person before and he happened to be the person before and he happened to be the person in in the police department who signed in in the police department who signed in in the police department who signed the surveillance contracts or the surveillance contracts or the surveillance contracts or recommended the surveillance contract. recommended the surveillance contract. recommended the surveillance contract. Same thing with city hall members, Same thing with city hall members, Same thing with city hall members, things like that. And so you have things like that. And so you have things like that. And so you have something that really I mean I call it something that really I mean I call it something that really I mean I call it corruption. I don't know if it's legally corruption. I don't know if it's legally corruption. I don't know if it's legally corruption, but revolving door, corruption, but revolving door, corruption, but revolving door, >> a revolving door between government and >> a revolving door between government and >> a revolving door between government and private industry to me sounds a lot like private industry to me sounds a lot like private industry to me sounds a lot like corruption. So I think that's why you corruption. So I think that's why you corruption. So I think that's why you have this massive expansion and that's have this massive expansion and that's have this massive expansion and that's why you have police saying we need this why you have police saying we need this why you have police saying we need this otherwise we can't do our job and city otherwise we can't do our job and city otherwise we can't do our job and city council members saying okay well we're council members saying okay well we're council members saying okay well we're going to have a quick little meeting and going to have a quick little meeting and going to have a quick little meeting and then vote this in before anybody hears then vote this in before anybody hears then vote this in before anybody hears about it. Um but in the end everything about it. Um but in the end everything about it. Um but in the end everything that you're everything that you're that you're everything that you're that you're everything that you're talking about the things that you're talking about the things that you're talking about the things that you're scared of absolutely could happen like I scared of absolutely could happen like I scared of absolutely could happen like I think back to co um you know just 5 6

think back to co um you know just 5 6 think back to co um you know just 5 6 years ago imagine flock cameras uh you years ago imagine flock cameras uh you years ago imagine flock cameras uh you leave the house to go pick up food leave the house to go pick up food leave the house to go pick up food during quarantine or something and flock during quarantine or something and flock during quarantine or something and flock cameras are now you know you could be cameras are now you know you could be cameras are now you know you could be arrested for violating quarantine or get arrested for violating quarantine or get arrested for violating quarantine or get a ticket or facial recognition cameras a ticket or facial recognition cameras a ticket or facial recognition cameras are the cameras that they have in retail are the cameras that they have in retail are the cameras that they have in retail stores sending you a ticket because you stores sending you a ticket because you stores sending you a ticket because you didn't wear your mask properly because didn't wear your mask properly because didn't wear your mask properly because your nose was sticking out the top. I your nose was sticking out the top. I your nose was sticking out the top. I think that these affect people across think that these affect people across think that these affect people across the board from every political aisle and the board from every political aisle and the board from every political aisle and and I think it's it's really important and I think it's it's really important and I think it's it's really important that people speak to their city council that people speak to their city council that people speak to their city council members and their local politicians now members and their local politicians now members and their local politicians now and let them know how you feel. And what and let them know how you feel. And what and let them know how you feel. And what I'm doing I know you talked about people I'm doing I know you talked about people I'm doing I know you talked about people taking cameras down themselves. What I'm taking cameras down themselves. What I'm taking cameras down themselves. What I'm doing is I'm trying to take down uh the doing is I'm trying to take down uh the doing is I'm trying to take down uh the politicians who signed the contract to politicians who signed the contract to politicians who signed the contract to good good good >> to enable this because I and that's >> to enable this because I and that's >> to enable this because I and that's literally what I'm doing is I'm literally what I'm doing is I'm literally what I'm doing is I'm interviewing politicians lo on the local interviewing politicians lo on the local interviewing politicians lo on the local level to to find out who's running level to to find out who's running level to to find out who's running against the person who threw their against the person who threw their against the person who threw their community under the bus by signing this community under the bus by signing this community under the bus by signing this contract. contract. contract. >> I mean it's very easy to see how >> I mean it's very easy to see how >> I mean it's very easy to see how military technology and this is military military technology and this is military military technology and this is military technology. These are weapons of war technology. These are weapons of war technology. These are weapons of war >> could be used as tools of political >> could be used as tools of political >> could be used as tools of political repression. Let's say the war in Iran repression. Let's say the war in Iran repression. Let's say the war in Iran continues. This is not a partisan point.

continues. This is not a partisan point. continues. This is not a partisan point. It's just an obser obvious observation. It's just an obser obvious observation. It's just an obser obvious observation. The war continues. The straight remains The war continues. The straight remains The war continues. The straight remains closed. We drain the SPR and we have an closed. We drain the SPR and we have an closed. We drain the SPR and we have an actual energy crisis at that point, like actual energy crisis at that point, like actual energy crisis at that point, like an actual one. And the government says, an actual one. And the government says, an actual one. And the government says, well, we we're instituting a work from well, we we're instituting a work from well, we we're instituting a work from home order. You know, we did that during home order. You know, we did that during home order. You know, we did that during CO. We're doing it now. And a lot of CO. We're doing it now. And a lot of CO. We're doing it now. And a lot of people like me would be like, buzz off. people like me would be like, buzz off. people like me would be like, buzz off. I'm going where I want to go. It's I'm going where I want to go. It's I'm going where I want to go. It's America. America. America. >> And then >> And then >> And then >> drones are deployed to make certain that >> drones are deployed to make certain that >> drones are deployed to make certain that the sheep are being herded correctly. the sheep are being herded correctly. the sheep are being herded correctly. Like that's not a crazy scenario at all. Like that's not a crazy scenario at all. Like that's not a crazy scenario at all. >> No. No. And I mean it's it one of the >> No. No. And I mean it's it one of the >> No. No. And I mean it's it one of the most outrageous things that that we've most outrageous things that that we've most outrageous things that that we've discovered. A friend of mine, Jason discovered. A friend of mine, Jason discovered. A friend of mine, Jason Hunar, he lives in he lives in an Hunar, he lives in he lives in an Hunar, he lives in he lives in an Atlanta suburb of Dunwitty. He has been Atlanta suburb of Dunwitty. He has been Atlanta suburb of Dunwitty. He has been just volunteering his time. He's not a just volunteering his time. He's not a just volunteering his time. He's not a professional investigator. He's not a professional investigator. He's not a professional investigator. He's not a journalist. He's been volunteering his journalist. He's been volunteering his journalist. He's been volunteering his time pulling audit reports through foyer time pulling audit reports through foyer time pulling audit reports through foyer requests of of you know what what these requests of of you know what what these requests of of you know what what these things have been used for, where they're things have been used for, where they're things have been used for, where they're located, what they've what they've been located, what they've what they've been located, what they've what they've been searching. And there's a a place there searching. And there's a a place there searching. And there's a a place there called Marcus Jewish Community Center.

called Marcus Jewish Community Center. called Marcus Jewish Community Center. It's a private large community center It's a private large community center It's a private large community center that's kind of beloved by the community that's kind of beloved by the community that's kind of beloved by the community and they have cameras on the wall there and they have cameras on the wall there and they have cameras on the wall there that aren't flat cameras. They're like that aren't flat cameras. They're like that aren't flat cameras. They're like the standard cameras you would have in the standard cameras you would have in the standard cameras you would have in any sort of business. And the community any sort of business. And the community any sort of business. And the community center said, "Okay, well, we're a little center said, "Okay, well, we're a little center said, "Okay, well, we're a little worried that there might be some sort of worried that there might be some sort of worried that there might be some sort of anti-semitic attack." So, we want to anti-semitic attack." So, we want to anti-semitic attack." So, we want to share our footage with police in case share our footage with police in case share our footage with police in case they need it, in case there's a shooting they need it, in case there's a shooting they need it, in case there's a shooting or some something terrible happens. And or some something terrible happens. And or some something terrible happens. And by doing that, they shared it with by doing that, they shared it with by doing that, they shared it with Flock. So, what Jason had discovered is Flock. So, what Jason had discovered is Flock. So, what Jason had discovered is that over a thousand times, Flock that over a thousand times, Flock that over a thousand times, Flock employees viewed those cameras inside employees viewed those cameras inside employees viewed those cameras inside this private community center, including this private community center, including this private community center, including but not limited to the pool, the daycare but not limited to the pool, the daycare but not limited to the pool, the daycare center, the children's gymnastics room. center, the children's gymnastics room. center, the children's gymnastics room. And it nobody had been arrested. Nobody And it nobody had been arrested. Nobody And it nobody had been arrested. Nobody had to answer any questions about it. had to answer any questions about it. had to answer any questions about it. They they in fact they actually made it They they in fact they actually made it They they in fact they actually made it harder for Flock to collect an audit or harder for Flock to collect an audit or harder for Flock to collect an audit or or to collect a record of who was or to collect a record of who was or to collect a record of who was looking at the camera internally from looking at the camera internally from looking at the camera internally from the company. the company. the company. >> Wait, just to be clear, it was Flock >> Wait, just to be clear, it was Flock >> Wait, just to be clear, it was Flock employees who were not licensed law employees who were not licensed law employees who were not licensed law enforcement officers. enforcement officers. enforcement officers. >> All grown men. Yes. Yes. all Faulk >> All grown men. Yes. Yes. all Faulk >> All grown men. Yes. Yes. all Faulk employees um over a thousand times and employees um over a thousand times and employees um over a thousand times and they were all grown men and they were they were all grown men and they were they were all grown men and they were looking at these cameras at the daycare looking at these cameras at the daycare looking at these cameras at the daycare center, the children's gymnastics room center, the children's gymnastics room center, the children's gymnastics room like and and their defense to this was like and and their defense to this was like and and their defense to this was that it was a product demo for another that it was a product demo for another that it was a product demo for another client. And I'm thinking to myself, if I client. And I'm thinking to myself, if I client. And I'm thinking to myself, if I had a business and I wanted a flock had a business and I wanted a flock had a business and I wanted a flock camera, if I had a police department and camera, if I had a police department and camera, if I had a police department and somebody pulled up a laptop and said, somebody pulled up a laptop and said, somebody pulled up a laptop and said, "Look how good this works." And then it "Look how good this works." And then it "Look how good this works." And then it was a children's gymnastics room, I was a children's gymnastics room, I was a children's gymnastics room, I would call the police like or hit them.

would call the police like or hit them. would call the police like or hit them. I'm not sure what I would do, but that's I'm not sure what I would do, but that's I'm not sure what I would do, but that's that's an outrageous explanation. That's that's an outrageous explanation. That's that's an outrageous explanation. That's that's just delusional. that's just delusional. that's just delusional. >> How many Flock employees were fired >> How many Flock employees were fired >> How many Flock employees were fired after that? after that? after that? >> None. Not one. They uh they took down >> None. Not one. They uh they took down >> None. Not one. They uh they took down their LinkedIn though and deleted their their LinkedIn though and deleted their their LinkedIn though and deleted their One of them was in a band and removed One of them was in a band and removed One of them was in a band and removed his band page on Facebook. So yeah, they his band page on Facebook. So yeah, they his band page on Facebook. So yeah, they they pretty much got scrubbed from they pretty much got scrubbed from they pretty much got scrubbed from social media because, you know, I put I social media because, you know, I put I social media because, you know, I put I released a video about it on Instagram released a video about it on Instagram released a video about it on Instagram and and it had made the news a little and and it had made the news a little and and it had made the news a little bit and so they immediately just bit and so they immediately just bit and so they immediately just scrubbed their profiles. scrubbed their profiles. scrubbed their profiles. >> What has Congress done? >> What has Congress done? >> What has Congress done? >> Um so I had found some flock law >> Um so I had found some flock law >> Um so I had found some flock law enforcement um flock law enforcement enforcement um flock law enforcement enforcement um flock law enforcement accounts on the dark web from a Russian accounts on the dark web from a Russian accounts on the dark web from a Russian vendor and it didn't have multiffactor vendor and it didn't have multiffactor vendor and it didn't have multiffactor authentication. you know when you sign authentication. you know when you sign authentication. you know when you sign into Netflix and then you have to like into Netflix and then you have to like into Netflix and then you have to like say yes I signed in from Netflix on my say yes I signed in from Netflix on my say yes I signed in from Netflix on my phone or type in a code. They didn't phone or type in a code. They didn't phone or type in a code. They didn't have that and not all flock cameras have have that and not all flock cameras have have that and not all flock cameras have that and or not all flack accounts have that and or not all flack accounts have that and or not all flack accounts have that and I had found it for sale on a that and I had found it for sale on a that and I had found it for sale on a Russian vendor and so I actually started Russian vendor and so I actually started Russian vendor and so I actually started talking to some senators uh talking to some senators uh talking to some senators uh representative Krishna Morty and uh representative Krishna Morty and uh representative Krishna Morty and uh Senator Widen from Oregon. They wrote a Senator Widen from Oregon. They wrote a Senator Widen from Oregon. They wrote a letter to the FTC saying hey these need letter to the FTC saying hey these need letter to the FTC saying hey these need to be investigated immediately. There's to be investigated immediately. There's to be investigated immediately. There's a massive national security risk here.

a massive national security risk here. a massive national security risk here. And the FTC I I assume printed it out And the FTC I I assume printed it out And the FTC I I assume printed it out and threw it in the garbage. I'm not and threw it in the garbage. I'm not and threw it in the garbage. I'm not sure what they did, but they certainly sure what they did, but they certainly sure what they did, but they certainly didn't open an investigation. And this didn't open an investigation. And this didn't open an investigation. And this was uh almost a year ago. was uh almost a year ago. was uh almost a year ago. >> Well, there's never been a better time >> Well, there's never been a better time >> Well, there's never been a better time to sign up for Dutch pet. That's because to sign up for Dutch pet. That's because to sign up for Dutch pet. That's because we have news in the world of dogs, which we have news in the world of dogs, which we have news in the world of dogs, which we follow closely. The return of New we follow closely. The return of New we follow closely. The return of New World screworm has shelters debating World screworm has shelters debating World screworm has shelters debating whether they should euthanize kill whether they should euthanize kill whether they should euthanize kill thousands of cats and dogs. The new thousands of cats and dogs. The new thousands of cats and dogs. The new world screworm is a parasitic fly that world screworm is a parasitic fly that world screworm is a parasitic fly that feeds on warm-blooded animals, and feeds on warm-blooded animals, and feeds on warm-blooded animals, and public health authorities are searching public health authorities are searching public health authorities are searching for ways to contain the disease as it for ways to contain the disease as it for ways to contain the disease as it spreads. One of the story's main spreads. One of the story's main spreads. One of the story's main takeaways is that now is a good time to takeaways is that now is a good time to takeaways is that now is a good time to bring your dog to the vet, but a lot of bring your dog to the vet, but a lot of bring your dog to the vet, but a lot of people can't because vet bills are people can't because vet bills are people can't because vet bills are totally out of control because private totally out of control because private totally out of control because private equity is buying up all the local equity is buying up all the local equity is buying up all the local veterinarians. Prices have doubled. We veterinarians. Prices have doubled. We veterinarians. Prices have doubled. We did an whole podcast on this. Dutch is did an whole podcast on this. Dutch is did an whole podcast on this. Dutch is the solution. Licensed veterinarians the solution. Licensed veterinarians the solution. Licensed veterinarians tellalth unlimited visits. As a listener tellalth unlimited visits. As a listener tellalth unlimited visits. As a listener on the show, you can start for just $82 on the show, you can start for just $82 on the show, you can start for just $82 a year. Total 82 bucks. Visit a year. Total 82 bucks. Visit a year. Total 82 bucks. Visit dutch.com/tucker dutch.com/tucker dutch.com/tucker to sign up. The good news is that a to sign up. The good news is that a to sign up. The good news is that a Dutch vet can prescribe flee and tick Dutch vet can prescribe flee and tick Dutch vet can prescribe flee and tick medication that can also prevent medication that can also prevent medication that can also prevent life-threatening new world screworm.

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sense of that. sense of that. >> Oh, so you think they're lying about not >> Oh, so you think they're lying about not >> Oh, so you think they're lying about not selling data? It's almost as if they selling data? It's almost as if they selling data? It's almost as if they have a financial interest in lying to to have a financial interest in lying to to have a financial interest in lying to to the public to get their company to IPO the public to get their company to IPO the public to get their company to IPO as quickly as possible. as quickly as possible. as quickly as possible. >> Oh, cynical, cynical. I don't think >> Oh, cynical, cynical. I don't think >> Oh, cynical, cynical. I don't think t-shirt guy would do that. Um, and last t-shirt guy would do that. Um, and last t-shirt guy would do that. Um, and last obvious question, why are you doing obvious question, why are you doing obvious question, why are you doing this? Why are you devoting so much time this? Why are you devoting so much time this? Why are you devoting so much time to this? to this? to this? >> I'm going to be honest with you, I hate >> I'm going to be honest with you, I hate >> I'm going to be honest with you, I hate it. I'm so tired of flock. I'm so tired it. I'm so tired of flock. I'm so tired it. I'm so tired of flock. I'm so tired of it all. Um, but it's been the last of it all. Um, but it's been the last of it all. Um, but it's been the last year. I mean, we've discovered massive year. I mean, we've discovered massive year. I mean, we've discovered massive security vulnerabilities and we've security vulnerabilities and we've security vulnerabilities and we've reported on them. But the reason I'm reported on them. But the reason I'm reported on them. But the reason I'm doing it is because it's making a doing it is because it's making a doing it is because it's making a difference. You're seeing communities difference. You're seeing communities difference. You're seeing communities across the country and some big cities across the country and some big cities across the country and some big cities uh canceling their FL contract or uh canceling their FL contract or uh canceling their FL contract or refusing to renew them. And I I think refusing to renew them. And I I think refusing to renew them. And I I think that everybody needs to to be concerned that everybody needs to to be concerned that everybody needs to to be concerned about this. And I I feel like there's about this. And I I feel like there's about this. And I I feel like there's very few people in America who want to very few people in America who want to very few people in America who want to be tracked everywhere they go. And now be tracked everywhere they go. And now be tracked everywhere they go. And now is the time when when you need to let is the time when when you need to let is the time when when you need to let your your local uh city council, mayor, your your local uh city council, mayor, your your local uh city council, mayor, county, whatever it is, Senate, county, whatever it is, Senate, county, whatever it is, Senate, senators, uh, governors, you you need to senators, uh, governors, you you need to senators, uh, governors, you you need to make a big stink about it and let them make a big stink about it and let them make a big stink about it and let them know that they're not going to be know that they're not going to be know that they're not going to be running for office anymore if they running for office anymore if they running for office anymore if they continue to allow this to happen.

continue to allow this to happen. continue to allow this to happen. >> You actually are making a difference. >> You actually are making a difference. >> You actually are making a difference. That's the amazing thing. You know, That's the amazing thing. You know, That's the amazing thing. You know, everyone wants to make a difference. I everyone wants to make a difference. I everyone wants to make a difference. I think you're actually succeeding. So, think you're actually succeeding. So, think you're actually succeeding. So, thank you. Thank you for taking the thank you. Thank you for taking the thank you. Thank you for taking the time. time. time. >> It's wild to imagine that as a possible >> It's wild to imagine that as a possible >> It's wild to imagine that as a possible thing. thing. thing. >> It's so great. It's so affirming. Thank >> It's so great. It's so affirming. Thank >> It's so great. It's so affirming. Thank you very much for doing this. you very much for doing this. you very much for doing this. >> Thank you. Have a wonderful day. >> Thank you. Have a wonderful day. >> Thank you. Have a wonderful day. >> Thank you. So, as you hear stories like >> Thank you. So, as you hear stories like >> Thank you. So, as you hear stories like that, you got to wonder like who would that, you got to wonder like who would that, you got to wonder like who would participate in this? A lot of good participate in this? A lot of good participate in this? A lot of good people are cops for sure, many more than people are cops for sure, many more than people are cops for sure, many more than they tell you. On the other hand, police they tell you. On the other hand, police they tell you. On the other hand, police departments across the country are departments across the country are departments across the country are participating in the dehumanizing of participating in the dehumanizing of participating in the dehumanizing of entire populations by stealing their entire populations by stealing their entire populations by stealing their privacy. Can't go anywhere without being privacy. Can't go anywhere without being privacy. Can't go anywhere without being watched. So, you're not actually a watched. So, you're not actually a watched. So, you're not actually a citizen anymore. You are to some real citizen anymore. You are to some real citizen anymore. You are to some real extent enslaved by the government. So extent enslaved by the government. So extent enslaved by the government. So most people involved in this process, most people involved in this process, most people involved in this process, gathering the information, enforcing the gathering the information, enforcing the gathering the information, enforcing the laws, probably don't think about it too laws, probably don't think about it too laws, probably don't think about it too much, but some of them aren't stupid and much, but some of them aren't stupid and much, but some of them aren't stupid and probably reflective and they probably probably reflective and they probably probably reflective and they probably have thought of it and yet they still have thought of it and yet they still have thought of it and yet they still work there. And what's that? So it's work there. And what's that? So it's work there. And what's that? So it's interesting that there have been people interesting that there have been people interesting that there have been people who refuse to participate in them and who refuse to participate in them and who refuse to participate in them and one of them is a former police officer one of them is a former police officer one of them is a former police officer from Rhode Island, a decorated police from Rhode Island, a decorated police from Rhode Island, a decorated police officer called Noel Pardo, who said, officer called Noel Pardo, who said, officer called Noel Pardo, who said, "Well, I'm actually not going to do this "Well, I'm actually not going to do this "Well, I'm actually not going to do this because it's wrong." And you hear that because it's wrong." And you hear that because it's wrong." And you hear that so seldom anywhere for any reason, so seldom anywhere for any reason, so seldom anywhere for any reason, people voluntarily giving up a good job people voluntarily giving up a good job people voluntarily giving up a good job because they think it's immoral that we because they think it's immoral that we because they think it's immoral that we thought it'd be worth talking to him and thought it'd be worth talking to him and thought it'd be worth talking to him and he joins us now. Noel, thanks very much he joins us now. Noel, thanks very much he joins us now. Noel, thanks very much for doing this.

for doing this. for doing this. >> Hey Tuck, how you doing? Thanks for >> Hey Tuck, how you doing? Thanks for >> Hey Tuck, how you doing? Thanks for having me. having me. having me. >> So can you just tell us your story? So >> So can you just tell us your story? So >> So can you just tell us your story? So you're a you're a cop in Rhode Island, you're a you're a cop in Rhode Island, you're a you're a cop in Rhode Island, correct? correct? correct? >> Oh, no. I was I I >> Oh, no. I was I I >> Oh, no. I was I I >> Yeah, you I'm sorry. Figure of speech. >> Yeah, you I'm sorry. Figure of speech. >> Yeah, you I'm sorry. Figure of speech. you were at one point a police officer you were at one point a police officer you were at one point a police officer in Rhode Island in Rhode Island in Rhode Island >> and you no longer are. So what happened >> and you no longer are. So what happened >> and you no longer are. So what happened and why? and why? and why? >> So back in uh 2021 uh my department was >> So back in uh 2021 uh my department was >> So back in uh 2021 uh my department was the Pucket Police Department over here the Pucket Police Department over here the Pucket Police Department over here and a lot of other police departments and a lot of other police departments and a lot of other police departments across the state. They started doing across the state. They started doing across the state. They started doing these trial periods with Flock. So they these trial periods with Flock. So they these trial periods with Flock. So they were introducing to our police chiefs, were introducing to our police chiefs, were introducing to our police chiefs, our city councils and said, "Hey, we our city councils and said, "Hey, we our city councils and said, "Hey, we have this new technology. It's going to have this new technology. It's going to have this new technology. It's going to help you solve crimes, crash c help you solve crimes, crash c help you solve crimes, crash c criminals." and I was trained on it criminals." and I was trained on it criminals." and I was trained on it along with my other co-workers. And even along with my other co-workers. And even along with my other co-workers. And even the captain at the time who was tasked the captain at the time who was tasked the captain at the time who was tasked with training us, he was already very with training us, he was already very with training us, he was already very uncomfortable with it. He said, "Look, I uncomfortable with it. He said, "Look, I uncomfortable with it. He said, "Look, I was tasked with training you guys on how was tasked with training you guys on how was tasked with training you guys on how to use this, but I don't know. This to use this, but I don't know. This to use this, but I don't know. This seems a little sketchy, but this is how seems a little sketchy, but this is how seems a little sketchy, but this is how it works. This is how you get it on your it works. This is how you get it on your it works. This is how you get it on your computer. This is how the system works. computer. This is how the system works. computer. This is how the system works. This is how you find a a vehicle on hot This is how you find a a vehicle on hot This is how you find a a vehicle on hot list." And there you go. So, when we list." And there you go. So, when we list." And there you go. So, when we first were introduced to training, I was first were introduced to training, I was first were introduced to training, I was already uncomfortable with it. And then already uncomfortable with it. And then already uncomfortable with it. And then when I finally had it in my vehicle and when I finally had it in my vehicle and when I finally had it in my vehicle and I saw how it worked and how it basically I saw how it worked and how it basically I saw how it worked and how it basically tracked vehicles in real time, I knew tracked vehicles in real time, I knew tracked vehicles in real time, I knew that it was a complete mistake. I that it was a complete mistake. I that it was a complete mistake. I believed at the time and I still believe believed at the time and I still believe believed at the time and I still believe now that it's a Fourth Amendment now that it's a Fourth Amendment now that it's a Fourth Amendment violation, uh, including the ACLU and violation, uh, including the ACLU and violation, uh, including the ACLU and the Institute for Justice who agree on the Institute for Justice who agree on the Institute for Justice who agree on that. And thankfully, my city was too that. And thankfully, my city was too that. And thankfully, my city was too poor to afford it at the time, so they poor to afford it at the time, so they poor to afford it at the time, so they struck it down. So the when I got in struck it down. So the when I got in struck it down. So the when I got in involved and I got in trouble was back involved and I got in trouble was back involved and I got in trouble was back in 2023. I'm driving in my district and in 2023. I'm driving in my district and in 2023. I'm driving in my district and I see them up in my community and I'm a

I see them up in my community and I'm a I see them up in my community and I'm a patrolman and I wasn't notified that we patrolman and I wasn't notified that we patrolman and I wasn't notified that we were getting these cameras. So, were getting these cameras. So, were getting these cameras. So, I was like, if if I'm a police officer I was like, if if I'm a police officer I was like, if if I'm a police officer and it's my business to know when things and it's my business to know when things and it's my business to know when things like these are introduced in my like these are introduced in my like these are introduced in my department, the public doesn't know. And department, the public doesn't know. And department, the public doesn't know. And that was the case. The public wasn't the that was the case. The public wasn't the that was the case. The public wasn't the public wasn't notified. public wasn't notified. public wasn't notified. >> Um, the other cities in Rhode Island >> Um, the other cities in Rhode Island >> Um, the other cities in Rhode Island were not notified. Like Ben was saying were not notified. Like Ben was saying were not notified. Like Ben was saying to most cities across the country, they to most cities across the country, they to most cities across the country, they were not notified. It was just something were not notified. It was just something were not notified. It was just something that Flock had a conversation with with that Flock had a conversation with with that Flock had a conversation with with the city council and the police chief the city council and the police chief the city council and the police chief and they were put up without notifying and they were put up without notifying and they were put up without notifying the public. And so, you know, after a the public. And so, you know, after a the public. And so, you know, after a couple months of having a hard time couple months of having a hard time couple months of having a hard time looking my wife in the eye, I uh spoke looking my wife in the eye, I uh spoke looking my wife in the eye, I uh spoke with a local reporter. I spoke with the with a local reporter. I spoke with the with a local reporter. I spoke with the Valley Breeze and I told him, "This is Valley Breeze and I told him, "This is Valley Breeze and I told him, "This is what's going on. This was put up without what's going on. This was put up without what's going on. This was put up without the public's knowledge. It needs to be the public's knowledge. It needs to be the public's knowledge. It needs to be addressed." He asked if he could use my addressed." He asked if he could use my addressed." He asked if he could use my name. Um, and because I'm a I'm an name. Um, and because I'm a I'm an name. Um, and because I'm a I'm an idealist and a bit romantic and a bit idealist and a bit romantic and a bit idealist and a bit romantic and a bit stupid, I guess, I told him to give him stupid, I guess, I told him to give him stupid, I guess, I told him to give him my name because I knew people hopefully my name because I knew people hopefully my name because I knew people hopefully would pay attention if they knew a would pay attention if they knew a would pay attention if they knew a police officer felt this strongly about police officer felt this strongly about police officer felt this strongly about what was happening. And so once he uh what was happening. And so once he uh what was happening. And so once he uh did the article back in October 2023, I did the article back in October 2023, I did the article back in October 2023, I got in a lot of trouble. Um, I spoke got in a lot of trouble. Um, I spoke got in a lot of trouble. Um, I spoke with a lot of my local representatives with a lot of my local representatives with a lot of my local representatives to try to let them know that I got me in to try to let them know that I got me in to try to let them know that I got me in trouble. uh one of our representatives trouble. uh one of our representatives trouble. uh one of our representatives who's a really good guy. His name is Joe who's a really good guy. His name is Joe who's a really good guy. His name is Joe Solomon. He invited to speak with the at Solomon. He invited to speak with the at Solomon. He invited to speak with the at the government oversight committee and the government oversight committee and the government oversight committee and in April 2024 that got me in trouble.

in April 2024 that got me in trouble. in April 2024 that got me in trouble. So, because I was doing all this, I got So, because I was doing all this, I got So, because I was doing all this, I got suspended a total of four times uh 72 suspended a total of four times uh 72 suspended a total of four times uh 72 days without pay. So, I lost about days without pay. So, I lost about days without pay. So, I lost about $20,000 worth of pay because of all $20,000 worth of pay because of all $20,000 worth of pay because of all those suspensions. I was supposed to get those suspensions. I was supposed to get those suspensions. I was supposed to get promoted to detective. I got that denied promoted to detective. I got that denied promoted to detective. I got that denied twice. I was banned from taking the twice. I was banned from taking the twice. I was banned from taking the sergeants exam. Um, every time I was sergeants exam. Um, every time I was sergeants exam. Um, every time I was suspended, they would do things like suspended, they would do things like suspended, they would do things like have me hand in all my gear and all my have me hand in all my gear and all my have me hand in all my gear and all my equipment, which is not a thing that we equipment, which is not a thing that we equipment, which is not a thing that we do anymore. That's kind of an old do anymore. That's kind of an old do anymore. That's kind of an old custom. The only time they have a police custom. The only time they have a police custom. The only time they have a police officer when he's suspended hand in officer when he's suspended hand in officer when he's suspended hand in their gear is when they're arrested for their gear is when they're arrested for their gear is when they're arrested for a crime. And I wasn't charged with any a crime. And I wasn't charged with any a crime. And I wasn't charged with any crime. I was just uh being um suspended crime. I was just uh being um suspended crime. I was just uh being um suspended for well, they they will they will lie for well, they they will they will lie for well, they they will they will lie and says, "No, we're actually suspending and says, "No, we're actually suspending and says, "No, we're actually suspending you because you missed a municipal court you because you missed a municipal court you because you missed a municipal court day or we're suspending you because, you day or we're suspending you because, you day or we're suspending you because, you know, you didn't take this report on a know, you didn't take this report on a know, you didn't take this report on a road rage incident." We don't take road road rage incident." We don't take road road rage incident." We don't take road rage incident reports in Pucket. That's rage incident reports in Pucket. That's rage incident reports in Pucket. That's a lie. So they would say that's why they a lie. So they would say that's why they a lie. So they would say that's why they suspended me, but everyone in my suspended me, but everyone in my suspended me, but everyone in my department, all my co-workers knew that department, all my co-workers knew that department, all my co-workers knew that they were suspending me because of my they were suspending me because of my they were suspending me because of my opinion and because I was trying to opinion and because I was trying to opinion and because I was trying to address the problem as best as I can. address the problem as best as I can. address the problem as best as I can. So um uh eventually what happened was in So um uh eventually what happened was in So um uh eventually what happened was in July of 2025, so last year, they wanted July of 2025, so last year, they wanted July of 2025, so last year, they wanted to terminate me and it was based one of to terminate me and it was based one of to terminate me and it was based one of them was literally based on a lie. One them was literally based on a lie. One them was literally based on a lie. One of the reasons why they wanted to of the reasons why they wanted to of the reasons why they wanted to terminate me. Um so I wanted to terminate me. Um so I wanted to terminate me. Um so I wanted to challenge it in Leo, which is like our challenge it in Leo, which is like our challenge it in Leo, which is like our version of a trial when you go to Leo version of a trial when you go to Leo version of a trial when you go to Leo said, "No, this is wrong. I'm fighting said, "No, this is wrong. I'm fighting said, "No, this is wrong. I'm fighting for my job. It was going to cost me for my job. It was going to cost me for my job. It was going to cost me $30,000. My union was only going to pay $30,000. My union was only going to pay $30,000. My union was only going to pay 10. So I I needed to come up with 20 10. So I I needed to come up with 20 10. So I I needed to come up with 20 grand to defend myself. I couldn't grand to defend myself. I couldn't grand to defend myself. I couldn't afford that. So I I had to resign. It afford that. So I I had to resign. It afford that. So I I had to resign. It wasn't my choice. I couldn't afford it.

wasn't my choice. I couldn't afford it. wasn't my choice. I couldn't afford it. And so since my resignation, you know, I And so since my resignation, you know, I And so since my resignation, you know, I decided, you know what? I I gave it my decided, you know what? I I gave it my decided, you know what? I I gave it my best shot. I tried to address this best shot. I tried to address this best shot. I tried to address this problem best I can. Maybe I'm not problem best I can. Maybe I'm not problem best I can. Maybe I'm not articulate. Maybe I'm not diplomatic articulate. Maybe I'm not diplomatic articulate. Maybe I'm not diplomatic enough. I don't know. May maybe someone enough. I don't know. May maybe someone enough. I don't know. May maybe someone like Ben should be dealing with this like Ben should be dealing with this like Ben should be dealing with this instead of me. Um so I decided to let it instead of me. Um so I decided to let it instead of me. Um so I decided to let it go. I says, you know, I'm going to let go. I says, you know, I'm going to let go. I says, you know, I'm going to let it go. I'm going to try to get hired it go. I'm going to try to get hired it go. I'm going to try to get hired somewhere else. Maybe I can get a job somewhere else. Maybe I can get a job somewhere else. Maybe I can get a job working campus security somewhere. I working campus security somewhere. I working campus security somewhere. I couldn't even get that because they couldn't even get that because they couldn't even get that because they wanted me to sign and it was probably wanted me to sign and it was probably wanted me to sign and it was probably because they wanted me to sign an NDA because they wanted me to sign an NDA because they wanted me to sign an NDA before I left, which I wasn't even know before I left, which I wasn't even know before I left, which I wasn't even know you can do with police departments, but you can do with police departments, but you can do with police departments, but they wanted me to sign an NDA and I they wanted me to sign an NDA and I they wanted me to sign an NDA and I refused. And the the the deal was if you refused. And the the the deal was if you refused. And the the the deal was if you sign this NDA um that bars you from sign this NDA um that bars you from sign this NDA um that bars you from saying anything about your experience saying anything about your experience saying anything about your experience here. Uh but in return, we'll keep you here. Uh but in return, we'll keep you here. Uh but in return, we'll keep you on our health insurance. you you'll stay on our health insurance. you you'll stay on our health insurance. you you'll stay on the the city health insurance until on the the city health insurance until on the the city health insurance until you find another job. And the chief will you find another job. And the chief will you find another job. And the chief will promise not to say anything about you promise not to say anything about you promise not to say anything about you when you're looking for another job. I when you're looking for another job. I when you're looking for another job. I thought about that. I was like, it's not thought about that. I was like, it's not thought about that. I was like, it's not a bad deal. But I decided not to do a bad deal. But I decided not to do a bad deal. But I decided not to do that. I didn't sign the NDA. And that's that. I didn't sign the NDA. And that's that. I didn't sign the NDA. And that's pro and that's why I haven't been able pro and that's why I haven't been able pro and that's why I haven't been able to find a job um in my field. And to find a job um in my field. And to find a job um in my field. And definitely now that I'm doing this definitely now that I'm doing this definitely now that I'm doing this interview, I won't be able to find a job interview, I won't be able to find a job interview, I won't be able to find a job in the entire country. Um in the entire country. Um in the entire country. Um >> that's even no offense. I mean, I used >> that's even no offense. I mean, I used >> that's even no offense. I mean, I used to live in Rhode Island, so I can say to live in Rhode Island, so I can say to live in Rhode Island, so I can say this. Even by Rhode Island standards, this. Even by Rhode Island standards, this. Even by Rhode Island standards, that is very corrupt. I mean, you just that is very corrupt. I mean, you just that is very corrupt. I mean, you just described corruption. That's ridiculous.

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back and forth a little more cordial. back and forth a little more cordial. So, I asked to speak with her and she So, I asked to speak with her and she So, I asked to speak with her and she refused to speak with me or they told me refused to speak with me or they told me refused to speak with me or they told me that to not even bother. So, I don't that to not even bother. So, I don't that to not even bother. So, I don't even know if they asked or not. But, so even know if they asked or not. But, so even know if they asked or not. But, so I don't know. I mean, I I asked some of I don't know. I mean, I I asked some of I don't know. I mean, I I asked some of the city council members in Pucket. I I the city council members in Pucket. I I the city council members in Pucket. I I was like, "Look, don't you think it's a was like, "Look, don't you think it's a was like, "Look, don't you think it's a bit of a problem that the public hasn't bit of a problem that the public hasn't bit of a problem that the public hasn't been notified about this? Like, that been notified about this? Like, that been notified about this? Like, that doesn't concern you?" And, you know, doesn't concern you?" And, you know, doesn't concern you?" And, you know, their response was the same response their response was the same response their response was the same response that Jordan was saying was like, "Well, that Jordan was saying was like, "Well, that Jordan was saying was like, "Well, it's for their safety, so what's what's it's for their safety, so what's what's it's for their safety, so what's what's the problem?" So, I I I don't know. I I the problem?" So, I I I don't know. I I the problem?" So, I I I don't know. I I don't don't don't you know look and you know that we're you know look and you know that we're you know look and you know that we're dealing with a battle of extremes in our dealing with a battle of extremes in our dealing with a battle of extremes in our country right now is like you mentioned country right now is like you mentioned country right now is like you mentioned in your monologue you was the fun police in your monologue you was the fun police in your monologue you was the fun police thing going on three years ago and now thing going on three years ago and now thing going on three years ago and now there's this another extreme of mass there's this another extreme of mass there's this another extreme of mass surveillance so which one is it and I surveillance so which one is it and I surveillance so which one is it and I and I think that's where we're in we're and I think that's where we're in we're and I think that's where we're in we're in a battle of extremes you know as they in a battle of extremes you know as they in a battle of extremes you know as they say hurt people hurt people you know you say hurt people hurt people you know you say hurt people hurt people you know you know we put body cams on our officers know we put body cams on our officers know we put body cams on our officers and when I had a body and look whatever and when I had a body and look whatever and when I had a body and look whatever you think about body cams it is a bit you think about body cams it is a bit you think about body cams it is a bit dehumanizing to have a video camera put dehumanizing to have a video camera put dehumanizing to have a video camera put on your chest I bet say go do on your chest I bet say go do on your chest I bet say go do It's a bit dehumanizing. So, it's not It's a bit dehumanizing. So, it's not It's a bit dehumanizing. So, it's not surprising to me surprising to me surprising to me >> that now when the police or the city now >> that now when the police or the city now >> that now when the police or the city now have the opportunity to return the favor have the opportunity to return the favor have the opportunity to return the favor to the public that they're not going to to the public that they're not going to to the public that they're not going to think much about it. Yeah. Like you put think much about it. Yeah. Like you put think much about it. Yeah. Like you put body cams on.

body cams on. body cams on. >> Smart point. >> Smart point. >> Smart point. >> Yeah. You put body cams on us because >> Yeah. You put body cams on us because >> Yeah. You put body cams on us because we're a scumbag because of some guy did we're a scumbag because of some guy did we're a scumbag because of some guy did something in Minnesota. Well, now it's something in Minnesota. Well, now it's something in Minnesota. Well, now it's your turn. So, I think there's a your turn. So, I think there's a your turn. So, I think there's a Freuding Freudian thing going on there Freuding Freudian thing going on there Freuding Freudian thing going on there where you do it to us, now we do it to where you do it to us, now we do it to where you do it to us, now we do it to you. So, you know, and to defend my you. So, you know, and to defend my you. So, you know, and to defend my co-work my my old co-workers, you know, co-work my my old co-workers, you know, co-work my my old co-workers, you know, it's a mix. Some of them think this is it's a mix. Some of them think this is it's a mix. Some of them think this is wrong, this is immoral. Some of them wrong, this is immoral. Some of them wrong, this is immoral. Some of them think it's a good idea, and some of them think it's a good idea, and some of them think it's a good idea, and some of them just don't care. They just want to just don't care. They just want to just don't care. They just want to finish their job and go home and get finish their job and go home and get finish their job and go home and get their pension, like, you know, without their pension, like, you know, without their pension, like, you know, without getting shot. So, it it's not a it's not getting shot. So, it it's not a it's not getting shot. So, it it's not a it's not a monolith, you know. You know, I want a monolith, you know. You know, I want a monolith, you know. You know, I want if there if there's one thing I can add if there if there's one thing I can add if there if there's one thing I can add to this that's useful other than trying to this that's useful other than trying to this that's useful other than trying to warn people as best I can, is not to warn people as best I can, is not to warn people as best I can, is not people to be too angry with their local people to be too angry with their local people to be too angry with their local police officers. like they're getting police officers. like they're getting police officers. like they're getting bombarded with things all the time. You bombarded with things all the time. You bombarded with things all the time. You know, some of them are in union fights know, some of them are in union fights know, some of them are in union fights right now where some of their health right now where some of their health right now where some of their health insuranceances are being threatened. So, insuranceances are being threatened. So, insuranceances are being threatened. So, I don't think it's crazy. I don't think I don't think it's crazy. I don't think I don't think it's crazy. I don't think every police officer who feels the way every police officer who feels the way every police officer who feels the way should I the way I feel should be as should I the way I feel should be as should I the way I feel should be as idealistic as me. Maybe they should. I idealistic as me. Maybe they should. I idealistic as me. Maybe they should. I don't know. I I mean, if if people want don't know. I I mean, if if people want don't know. I I mean, if if people want to be courageous, they instead of to be courageous, they instead of to be courageous, they instead of expecting it from others, they should expecting it from others, they should expecting it from others, they should just do it themselves.

just do it themselves. just do it themselves. >> Yeah. But only a small percentage of of >> Yeah. But only a small percentage of of >> Yeah. But only a small percentage of of people are willing to do that. I've people are willing to do that. I've people are willing to do that. I've noticed like a tiny percentage. So, did noticed like a tiny percentage. So, did noticed like a tiny percentage. So, did it make Pucket as safe as Little it make Pucket as safe as Little it make Pucket as safe as Little Compton, for example? Compton, for example? Compton, for example? >> Oh, you've been to Little Compton. >> Oh, you've been to Little Compton. >> Oh, you've been to Little Compton. You've been around Tucker, huh? You've been around Tucker, huh? You've been around Tucker, huh? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I know Rhode Island very well. But no, but know Rhode Island very well. But no, but know Rhode Island very well. But no, but what I'm saying is Pucket, as you just what I'm saying is Pucket, as you just what I'm saying is Pucket, as you just said, is like kind of famous is nice said, is like kind of famous is nice said, is like kind of famous is nice town, but there's some definitely very town, but there's some definitely very town, but there's some definitely very rough parts of it. rough parts of it. rough parts of it. >> Are they now totally safe with these >> Are they now totally safe with these >> Are they now totally safe with these cameras? cameras? cameras? >> Oh, no. Nothing changed. Um, nothing >> Oh, no. Nothing changed. Um, nothing >> Oh, no. Nothing changed. Um, nothing changed changed changed >> really. >> really. >> really. >> Yeah, because No. Well, yeah. The the >> Yeah, because No. Well, yeah. The the >> Yeah, because No. Well, yeah. The the thing is too um you know it's like Ben thing is too um you know it's like Ben thing is too um you know it's like Ben you and Ben were talking about if you you and Ben were talking about if you you and Ben were talking about if you treat people like prisoners they act treat people like prisoners they act treat people like prisoners they act like that like that like that >> right >> right >> right >> you know if if people is like you said a >> you know if if people is like you said a >> you know if if people is like you said a prisoner should be ideally safers prisoner should be ideally safers prisoner should be ideally safers because of all the surveillance but it's because of all the surveillance but it's because of all the surveillance but it's not it's the most dangerous place in the not it's the most dangerous place in the not it's the most dangerous place in the world. world. world. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So and criminals too criminals no matter >> So and criminals too criminals no matter >> So and criminals too criminals no matter what you do no matter what you input what you do no matter what you input what you do no matter what you input they're going to they're going to break they're going to they're going to break they're going to they're going to break the law you know they're going to try to the law you know they're going to try to the law you know they're going to try to find a way around it. Like things like find a way around it. Like things like find a way around it. Like things like this they only hurt the law-abiding this they only hurt the law-abiding this they only hurt the law-abiding citizen. you know, criminals will find citizen. you know, criminals will find citizen. you know, criminals will find out a way to try to get around it. You out a way to try to get around it. You out a way to try to get around it. You know, instead of driving one car through know, instead of driving one car through know, instead of driving one car through all these cameras, you know, maybe we're all these cameras, you know, maybe we're all these cameras, you know, maybe we're going to do stop points and switch cars.

going to do stop points and switch cars. going to do stop points and switch cars. Like sophistic halfway sophisticated Like sophistic halfway sophisticated Like sophistic halfway sophisticated criminals are going to figure out a way criminals are going to figure out a way criminals are going to figure out a way to try to get around this, you know, but to try to get around this, you know, but to try to get around this, you know, but the dumb criminal and the law-abiding the dumb criminal and the law-abiding the dumb criminal and the law-abiding citizens are not, you know, they, you citizens are not, you know, they, you citizens are not, you know, they, you know, they're going to be tracked know, they're going to be tracked know, they're going to be tracked everywhere that they they go. And this everywhere that they they go. And this everywhere that they they go. And this is what it is. It's kind of a geoence is what it is. It's kind of a geoence is what it is. It's kind of a geoence for vehicles. It tracks vehicles for vehicles. It tracks vehicles for vehicles. It tracks vehicles everywhere that they go. And I've heard everywhere that they go. And I've heard everywhere that they go. And I've heard some really juvenile arguments where some really juvenile arguments where some really juvenile arguments where they say, "Well, we're not tracking they say, "Well, we're not tracking they say, "Well, we're not tracking people. We're just tracking cars." is people. We're just tracking cars." is people. We're just tracking cars." is and I'm trying to figure out how that's and I'm trying to figure out how that's and I'm trying to figure out how that's any different. Sounds the same to me, any different. Sounds the same to me, any different. Sounds the same to me, especially in a place like, you know, especially in a place like, you know, especially in a place like, you know, Rhode Island or Minnesota, where every Rhode Island or Minnesota, where every Rhode Island or Minnesota, where every everywhere except New York. Every state everywhere except New York. Every state everywhere except New York. Every state doesn't really have a proper subway doesn't really have a proper subway doesn't really have a proper subway system. So, if you need to get around in system. So, if you need to get around in system. So, if you need to get around in every state in America, you need a motor every state in America, you need a motor every state in America, you need a motor vehicle. You need a car in order to get vehicle. You need a car in order to get vehicle. You need a car in order to get around. around. around. >> So, if you're tracking people's cars, >> So, if you're tracking people's cars, >> So, if you're tracking people's cars, you're tracking people, you're tracking people, you're tracking people, >> you know? So, that's a really stupid >> you know? So, that's a really stupid >> you know? So, that's a really stupid argument that that was trying to be argument that that was trying to be argument that that was trying to be argued that. And like I said, I don't argued that. And like I said, I don't argued that. And like I said, I don't know how that's any better. We're not know how that's any better. We're not know how that's any better. We're not tracking people. We're tracking cars. tracking people. We're tracking cars. tracking people. We're tracking cars. Like, okay. Like, okay. Like, okay. >> Well, especially if they haven't done >> Well, especially if they haven't done >> Well, especially if they haven't done anything wrong. So, it's sweeping up anything wrong. So, it's sweeping up anything wrong. So, it's sweeping up everybody into this drag net. It seems everybody into this drag net. It seems everybody into this drag net. It seems like by definition like by definition like by definition >> unconstitutional. Um, >> unconstitutional. Um, >> unconstitutional. Um, >> I mean, I don't want to I'm not alleging >> I mean, I don't want to I'm not alleging >> I mean, I don't want to I'm not alleging any specific crime because I have no any specific crime because I have no any specific crime because I have no knowledge of a specific crime, but given knowledge of a specific crime, but given knowledge of a specific crime, but given everything you've said, is it possible everything you've said, is it possible everything you've said, is it possible that members of the city council or law that members of the city council or law that members of the city council or law enforcement officials are making money enforcement officials are making money enforcement officials are making money on this?

>> Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the reaction >> Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the reaction to me made me very suspicious of what to me made me very suspicious of what to me made me very suspicious of what because the the smart the Yeah, it was because the the smart the Yeah, it was because the the smart the Yeah, it was very suspicious because I was the only very suspicious because I was the only very suspicious because I was the only officer in my state and at the country officer in my state and at the country officer in my state and at the country at the time that was v, you know, at the time that was v, you know, at the time that was v, you know, publicly giving my objections. So, the publicly giving my objections. So, the publicly giving my objections. So, the smart thing to do was just be ignoring smart thing to do was just be ignoring smart thing to do was just be ignoring me and say, you know, he's just some me and say, you know, he's just some me and say, you know, he's just some crazy guy in the wilderness eating locus crazy guy in the wilderness eating locus crazy guy in the wilderness eating locus and honey or something. and honey or something. and honey or something. >> Exactly. Exactly. But they beheaded John >> Exactly. Exactly. But they beheaded John >> Exactly. Exactly. But they beheaded John the Baptist, so you know, didn't work the Baptist, so you know, didn't work the Baptist, so you know, didn't work for him. for him. for him. >> Yeah. So I I I thought I you know cuz >> Yeah. So I I I thought I you know cuz >> Yeah. So I I I thought I you know cuz you know the chief she's pretty smart. I you know the chief she's pretty smart. I you know the chief she's pretty smart. I thought what she was going to do was to thought what she was going to do was to thought what she was going to do was to ignore me. ignore me. ignore me. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I thought that's what she was going to >> I thought that's what she was going to >> I thought that's what she was going to do. I thought she was going to punish me do. I thought she was going to punish me do. I thought she was going to punish me once, suspend me once, you know, and I once, suspend me once, you know, and I once, suspend me once, you know, and I take that hint. I just move on with my take that hint. I just move on with my take that hint. I just move on with my life, you know. I tried, you know, but life, you know. I tried, you know, but life, you know. I tried, you know, but when I was getting it was it was it was when I was getting it was it was it was when I was getting it was it was it was in a two-year period I was getting in a two-year period I was getting in a two-year period I was getting suspended suspended and within two years suspended suspended and within two years suspended suspended and within two years it was in a two-year period I was it was in a two-year period I was it was in a two-year period I was dealing with all that. So I did get dealing with all that. So I did get dealing with all that. So I did get suspicious of what's happening behind suspicious of what's happening behind suspicious of what's happening behind the scenes that I may I may or may not the scenes that I may I may or may not the scenes that I may I may or may not know of why they're trying. so hard to know of why they're trying. so hard to know of why they're trying. so hard to get rid of me, you know. I I just get rid of me, you know. I I just get rid of me, you know. I I just thought maybe it was just a tribal thought maybe it was just a tribal thought maybe it was just a tribal impulse that was kicking in, you know.

impulse that was kicking in, you know. impulse that was kicking in, you know. But, you know, now that Ben is sharing But, you know, now that Ben is sharing But, you know, now that Ben is sharing what Ben is sharing, it's the first time what Ben is sharing, it's the first time what Ben is sharing, it's the first time I'm hearing it that there are some back I'm hearing it that there are some back I'm hearing it that there are some back door ideas that look like that happened. door ideas that look like that happened. door ideas that look like that happened. Maybe I don't know. I mean, it is Rhode Maybe I don't know. I mean, it is Rhode Maybe I don't know. I mean, it is Rhode Island, so who knows. Island, so who knows. Island, so who knows. >> What was the reaction from your wife and >> What was the reaction from your wife and >> What was the reaction from your wife and your family? People you know, your your family? People you know, your your family? People you know, your neighbors, were they on your side? neighbors, were they on your side? neighbors, were they on your side? >> So, my wife was on my side. Good. Um, my >> So, my wife was on my side. Good. Um, my >> So, my wife was on my side. Good. Um, my wife was on my side. She supported me wife was on my side. She supported me wife was on my side. She supported me from the beginning. She was worried. I from the beginning. She was worried. I from the beginning. She was worried. I mean, this was a sad thing. Everyone mean, this was a sad thing. Everyone mean, this was a sad thing. Everyone when I was telling my family and all my when I was telling my family and all my when I was telling my family and all my friends and and my co-workers who um who friends and and my co-workers who um who friends and and my co-workers who um who really care about me and I I and I still really care about me and I I and I still really care about me and I I and I still care about them very much, they all told care about them very much, they all told care about them very much, they all told me, they all read the same script, they me, they all read the same script, they me, they all read the same script, they pulled me aside and they said, "No, if pulled me aside and they said, "No, if pulled me aside and they said, "No, if you if you go this route and you talk you if you go this route and you talk you if you go this route and you talk about this, they're going to make about this, they're going to make about this, they're going to make they're going to make sure that you lose they're going to make sure that you lose they're going to make sure that you lose your job and they're probably going to your job and they're probably going to your job and they're probably going to make sure that you don't work again." make sure that you don't work again." make sure that you don't work again." They all told me this. My family told me They all told me this. My family told me They all told me this. My family told me this. My co-workers told me this. They this. My co-workers told me this. They this. My co-workers told me this. They all said the same script. So, it's all said the same script. So, it's all said the same script. So, it's really sad that as Americans, we've really sad that as Americans, we've really sad that as Americans, we've accepted this idea that if you speak up, accepted this idea that if you speak up, accepted this idea that if you speak up, you're just going to get hammered. you're just going to get hammered. you're just going to get hammered. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Like that was that was really sad that >> Like that was that was really sad that >> Like that was that was really sad that everyone just accepted that. But so, no everyone just accepted that. But so, no everyone just accepted that. But so, no one um really spoke against what I was one um really spoke against what I was one um really spoke against what I was doing. They they were their argument was doing. They they were their argument was doing. They they were their argument was what you're doing is noble, but you what you're doing is noble, but you what you're doing is noble, but you know, leave that for some other idiot to know, leave that for some other idiot to know, leave that for some other idiot to do. You know, you have two kids, you do. You know, you have two kids, you do. You know, you have two kids, you have a wife, you have bills to pay. let have a wife, you have bills to pay. let have a wife, you have bills to pay. let somebody else put the neck on the line.

somebody else put the neck on the line. somebody else put the neck on the line. Like that was the advice that everyone Like that was the advice that everyone Like that was the advice that everyone was trying to give me. And I thought was trying to give me. And I thought was trying to give me. And I thought about it and um about it and um about it and um like I said, I I know after a couple like I said, I I know after a couple like I said, I I know after a couple months, you know, I I had I had trouble months, you know, I I had I had trouble months, you know, I I had I had trouble sleeping. You know, my first son was sleeping. You know, my first son was sleeping. You know, my first son was born right before I spoke up. And then born right before I spoke up. And then born right before I spoke up. And then when you become a father, I'm sure you when you become a father, I'm sure you when you become a father, I'm sure you understand this, Tucker, like you're understand this, Tucker, like you're understand this, Tucker, like you're like, "Oh man, like I'm responsible for like, "Oh man, like I'm responsible for like, "Oh man, like I'm responsible for who this person becomes." who this person becomes." who this person becomes." >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> So, you know, one day I'm going to have >> So, you know, one day I'm going to have >> So, you know, one day I'm going to have to have a conversation with my sons to have a conversation with my sons to have a conversation with my sons about integrity. And when I had that about integrity. And when I had that about integrity. And when I had that conversation with him, I wouldn't be conversation with him, I wouldn't be conversation with him, I wouldn't be able to look him in the eye when I have able to look him in the eye when I have able to look him in the eye when I have that conversation. that conversation. that conversation. >> So, I knew if I ignored I knew if I >> So, I knew if I ignored I knew if I >> So, I knew if I ignored I knew if I ignored this problem and I pretended ignored this problem and I pretended ignored this problem and I pretended that it didn't exist, you know, that it didn't exist, you know, that it didn't exist, you know, >> I wouldn't be able to do that. So, I >> I wouldn't be able to do that. So, I >> I wouldn't be able to do that. So, I thought it was worth the risk. I paid thought it was worth the risk. I paid thought it was worth the risk. I paid the price for it. But, you know, I'm the price for it. But, you know, I'm the price for it. But, you know, I'm doing all right. So, doing all right. So, doing all right. So, >> Oh, you made me emotional saying that. >> Oh, you made me emotional saying that. >> Oh, you made me emotional saying that. Well, I for whatever it's worth, nothing Well, I for whatever it's worth, nothing Well, I for whatever it's worth, nothing really, but I just want to say it. I really, but I just want to say it. I really, but I just want to say it. I hope you are richly rewarded for your hope you are richly rewarded for your hope you are richly rewarded for your courage and decency. Uh, I think you did courage and decency. Uh, I think you did courage and decency. Uh, I think you did that for everybody in this country, and that for everybody in this country, and that for everybody in this country, and I'm just I'm really grateful you did it. I'm just I'm really grateful you did it. I'm just I'm really grateful you did it. And and last thing, you were very And and last thing, you were very And and last thing, you were very articulate. So that was not your articulate. So that was not your articulate. So that was not your problem. It was not, problem. It was not, problem. It was not, >> you know, it is. It's my it's it's my >> you know, it is. It's my it's it's my >> you know, it is. It's my it's it's my Rhode Island accent. It's disgusting. So Rhode Island accent. It's disgusting. So Rhode Island accent. It's disgusting. So if any if anybody who's never been to if any if anybody who's never been to if any if anybody who's never been to Rhode Island, don't worry. We don't all Rhode Island, don't worry. We don't all Rhode Island, don't worry. We don't all talk like this. Just blue collar. Just talk like this. Just blue collar. Just talk like this. Just blue collar. Just blue collar Latinos, black guys, and blue collar Latinos, black guys, and blue collar Latinos, black guys, and Italians. We're the only ones who talk Italians. We're the only ones who talk Italians. We're the only ones who talk like this.

like this. like this. >> It's the best. I miss it. Noel, thank >> It's the best. I miss it. Noel, thank >> It's the best. I miss it. Noel, thank you for taking the time. It's great to you for taking the time. It's great to you for taking the time. It's great to talk to you. talk to you. talk to you. >> Appreciate it. Thank you, Tucker. >> Appreciate it. Thank you, Tucker. >> Appreciate it. Thank you, Tucker. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And thank you for for watching tonight. And thank you for for watching tonight. And thank you for for watching tonight. We'll see you next Wednesday.