Parents of Alleged J6 Pipe Bomber Say the Government Is Framing Their Son

Thank you all for participating Thank you all for participating . I heard about this incident . I heard about this incident almost immediately from a U.S. government official. He called me and said, "This is called me and said, "This is called me and said, "This is just like a Netflix drama just like a Netflix drama just like a Netflix drama . It's an unbelievable story about the U.S. government . It's an unbelievable story about the U.S. government arresting someone for a felony when they haven't committed any crime arresting someone for a felony when they haven't committed any crime ." He ." He ." He said. So, I would like to start by stating my said. So, I would like to start by stating my said. So, I would like to start by stating my thoughts and the thoughts of U.S. government officials thoughts and the thoughts of U.S. government officials . Hmm, I intend to proceed with the conversation focusing on this part proceed with the conversation focusing on this part proceed with the conversation focusing on this part . . . Thank you once again. Mr. Branco, Thank you once again. Mr. Branco, Thank you once again. Mr. Branco, first, I would like to ask where you were and first, I would like to ask where you were and first, I would like to ask where you were and how you found out that your son had been arrested how you found out that your son had been arrested . . I was at a hotel in Alabama I was at a hotel in Alabama I was at a hotel in Alabama . I was on a business trip. . I was on a business trip. At that time, an FBI agent from the Department of Justice At that time, an FBI agent from the Department of Justice called. After asking a few called. After asking a few called. After asking a few questions, he questions, he questions, he informed me that my son had been arrested informed me that my son had been arrested informed me that my son had been arrested . So, . So, . So, before that, I was watching the TV news around 6 a.m. and before that, I was watching the TV news around 6 a.m. and heard the news that the J6 pipe bomb terrorist was being arrested heard the news that the J6 pipe bomb terrorist was being arrested . And then, about 30 minutes later, I got a . And then, about 30 minutes later, I got a . And then, about 30 minutes later, I got a call. They didn't tell me who it was call. They didn't tell me who it was call. They didn't tell me who it was . When I first . When I first . When I first saw the news, they did saw the news, they did saw the news, they did n't tell me who it was, only that an arrest operation was n't tell me who it was, only that an arrest operation was n't tell me who it was, only that an arrest operation was underway. And 30 underway. And 30 underway. And 30 minutes later, a call came, "Could it be minutes later, a call came, "Could it be minutes later, a call came, "Could it be my son?" I wanted to. There is absolutely no way that would happen my son?" I wanted to. There is absolutely no way that would happen my son?" I wanted to. There is absolutely no way that would happen . There is absolutely no way that would happen

. There is absolutely no way that would happen . There is absolutely no way that would happen . I answered . I answered . I answered the phone, and the person on the other end the phone, and the person on the other end said they were an FBI agent. I don't remember the name said they were an FBI agent. I don't remember the name , but they said they arrested my son , but they said they arrested my son , but they said they arrested my son . And, as you know . And, as you know . And, as you know , I had no idea. It was , I had no idea. It was , I had no idea. It was so early in the morning that I couldn't so early in the morning that I couldn't so early in the morning that I couldn't understand what was going on at all understand what was going on at all understand what was going on at all . Then, um, while that person was . Then, um, while that person was . Then, um, while that person was talking to me, the news was talking to me, the news was on, and I saw on, and I saw on, and I saw that person's name mentioned in the news that person's name mentioned in the news that person's name mentioned in the news . As . As . As soon as that name came up, I asked, "Are you saying that soon as that name came up, I asked, "Are you saying that soon as that name came up, I asked, "Are you saying that the person on TV on the phone right now is my son the person on TV on the phone right now is my son the person on TV on the phone right now is my son ?" ?" ?" I asked. Then he said, " I asked. Then he said, " Yes, you know what I mean, right?" He Yes, you know what I mean, right?" He Yes, you know what I mean, right?" He answered. And then, "It's answered. And then, "It's already being reported in the news already being reported in the news already being reported in the news ." That's what they said. I said, ." That's what they said. I said, ." That's what they said. I said, "Yes, the news is full of that story right now "Yes, the news is full of that story right now "Yes, the news is full of that story right now ." That's what I said. ." That's what I said. ." That's what I said. And then, in less than 20 seconds, And then, in less than 20 seconds, And then, in less than 20 seconds, calls from reporters calls from reporters calls from reporters started coming in. That is how I started coming in. That is how I started coming in. That is how I found out. What do you found out. What do you found out. What do you think, Tucker? think, Tucker? think, Tucker? In that situation, all sorts of thoughts really flashed through my In that situation, all sorts of thoughts really flashed through my mind mind mind . It's . It's . It's hard to explain what's going on hard to explain what's going on hard to explain what's going on . If you hear such news between 6 and 7 in the morning . If you hear such news between 6 and 7 in the morning , it is , it is , it is truly unimaginable.

truly unimaginable. I just heard that my son was arrested, and that kid is a notorious I just heard that my son was arrested, and that kid is a notorious person. I person. I person. I really did really did really did n't know what to think. I did n't know what to think. I did n't know what to think. I did n't know what was happening either. n't know what was happening either. n't know what was happening either. So, I tried to contact my son's mother first So, I tried to contact my son's mother first . But they all failed. Then the children Then the children started calling their son's mother themselves started calling their son's mother themselves started calling their son's mother themselves . The children . The children met each of the sons' mothers in person met each of the sons' mothers in person met each of the sons' mothers in person . It was only then that we were . It was only then that we were able to check the CCTV. So, I able to check the CCTV. So, I found out what was happening. That is why we could n't contact the son's mother. The police n't contact the son's mother. The police raided the house and dragged the son's mother out raided the house and dragged the son's mother out raided the house and dragged the son's mother out . Were you at . Were you at home at that time? home at that time? Yes, with my grandson. So you are his Yes, with my grandson. So you are his Yes, with my grandson. So you are his grandson. grandson. Could you tell me what happened? Could you tell me what happened? Well, I Well, I Well, I think I woke up around 8 o'clock, and I think I woke up around 8 o'clock, and I think I woke up around 8 o'clock, and I heard a siren around 8:15 heard a siren around 8:15 heard a siren around 8:15 . So I thought something had happened to the . So I thought something had happened to the . So I thought something had happened to the elderly neighbor living across the street elderly neighbor living across the street elderly neighbor living across the street . I thought, 'I hope . I thought, 'I hope Grandma is okay.'

Grandma is okay.' Grandma is okay.' Ah, just in case Ah, just in case Ah, just in case anyone doesn't know anyone doesn't know anyone doesn't know , I , I , I know this well, but my neighborhood is a dead end, so I ca know this well, but my neighborhood is a dead end, so I ca n't really hear the siren n't really hear the siren . So I thought, 'Wow, Grandma is . So I thought, 'Wow, Grandma is . So I thought, 'Wow, Grandma is quite old...' quite old...' quite old...' But right after that, But right after that, "Raise your hands and come out. This "Raise your hands and come out. This "Raise your hands and come out. This is the FBI." I heard a sound saying... I got out is the FBI." I heard a sound saying... I got out is the FBI." I heard a sound saying... I got out of bed and looked out the window to see a of bed and looked out the window to see a dead end dead end dead end full of cars. full of cars. full of cars. There were three trucks, and I There were three trucks, and I There were three trucks, and I don't know if they were RAMs or machine guns, but they were aiming at my don't know if they were RAMs or machine guns, but they were aiming at my don't know if they were RAMs or machine guns, but they were aiming at my house. There were house. There were cars at the end of the alley cars at the end of the alley . There were people holding guns behind the truck and behind the trees . There were people holding guns behind the truck and behind the trees . A . A rifle? Did you see a rifle? rifle? Did you see a rifle? rifle? Did you see a rifle? People holding guns toward the house People holding guns toward the house People holding guns toward the house ? So I got dressed, ? So I got dressed, woke my grandson, and told him that the FBI was outside woke my grandson, and told him that the FBI was outside woke my grandson, and told him that the FBI was outside . Uh, . Uh, . Uh, sorry for making you laugh, but I sorry for making you laugh, but I sorry for making you laugh, but I told you to get dressed and come out quickly. I told you to get dressed and come out quickly. I told you not to take too long.

So I got up and So I got up and went outside, and they told me to went outside, and they told me to went outside, and they told me to come over. As soon as I approached come over. As soon as I approached come over. As soon as I approached them, they took my them, they took my them, they took my cell phone, handcuffed me, and cell phone, handcuffed me, and cell phone, handcuffed me, and put me on a truck. And a few put me on a truck. And a few put me on a truck. And a few minutes later, the grandson came out. minutes later, the grandson came out. minutes later, the grandson came out. You mean you handcuffed him? You mean you handcuffed him? You mean you handcuffed him? Yes, I handcuffed him and put him on a truck Yes, I handcuffed him and put him on a truck Yes, I handcuffed him and put him on a truck . A few minutes later, the grandson . A few minutes later, the grandson . A few minutes later, the grandson came out, and they took his cell phone, handcuffed him, and came out, and they took his cell phone, handcuffed him, and put him in a patrol car. put him in a patrol car. Is your grandson strong? Is your grandson strong? Is your grandson strong? Yes, my grandson is 17 years old. I was Yes, my grandson is 17 years old. I was Yes, my grandson is 17 years old. I was 16 back then, though. 16 back then, though. 16 back then, though. He was 16 years old. Yes, He was 16 years old. Yes, He was 16 years old. Yes, that's right. I turned 17 on the 14th that's right. I turned 17 on the 14th that's right. I turned 17 on the 14th . Well, I told them to be . Well, I told them to be . Well, I told them to be careful, that my son is still at careful, that my son is still at careful, that my son is still at home. I went to my son's home. I went to my son's home. I went to my son's room, but I haven't been able to tell him yet room, but I haven't been able to tell him yet room, but I haven't been able to tell him yet . Um, so, . Um, so, . Um, so, you know, just sitting there, you know, just sitting there, you know, just sitting there, what's up? What's going on what's up? What's going on what's up? What's going on ? I didn't know anything ? I didn't know anything ? I didn't know anything . . Did I tell you why I'm putting handcuffs on you? It wasn't at first. I just said, "I'll tell you in a few minutes." I woke up from a deep sleep to the sound of a siren woke up from a deep sleep to the sound of a siren woke up from a deep sleep to the sound of a siren , and when I looked out the window, I saw , and when I looked out the window, I saw , and when I looked out the window, I saw men with rifles aiming at the house men with rifles aiming at the house men with rifles aiming at the house . yes. I told you to raise your hands and come out . yes. I told you to raise your hands and come out . yes. I told you to raise your hands and come out . I had no idea . I had no idea . I had no idea what was happening what was happening what was happening . Really, . Really, . Really, nothing.

nothing. nothing. Well, and nobody explained why they handcuffed me and Well, and nobody explained why they handcuffed me and Well, and nobody explained why they handcuffed me and put me in the back seat of the car put me in the back seat of the car . . no. And as you know, no. And as you know, no. And as you know, due to the nature of our job, you must be due to the nature of our job, you must be aware that if you do not do what needs to be done, big problems can arise aware that if you do not do what needs to be done, big problems can arise . You and . You and your extended family, including Brian Cole Jr., your extended family, including Brian Cole Jr., run a family business together, don't you? yes run a family business together, don't you? yes run a family business together, don't you? yes . The . The . The bail bond business has been in operation for a long time and has been passed down through bail bond business has been in operation for a long time and has been passed down through bail bond business has been in operation for a long time and has been passed down through many generations many generations many generations . I think it is quite a big business . I think it is quite a big business . I think it is quite a big business . yes . yes . yes . . . And you have a driver's license, right? yes And you have a driver's license, right? yes And you have a driver's license, right? yes . A bail bond business . A bail bond business requires a license to operate, including the possession of firearms requires a license to operate, including the possession of firearms . You could say it is a sub-field of a kind of law enforcement agency . You could say it is a sub-field of a kind of law enforcement agency . yes. . yes. So, So, So, for those who are not familiar with it, I would like to provide some background information for those who are not familiar with it, I would like to provide some background information for those who are not familiar with it, I would like to provide some background information . . . Ah, no. Thank you for the good explanation Ah, no. Thank you for the good explanation Ah, no. Thank you for the good explanation . . . Um, I mean, imagine you are sitting in the back seat of a car with your hands cuffed Um, I mean, imagine you are sitting in the back seat of a car with your hands cuffed , and you see your teenage grandson wearing handcuffs . What would you be thinking . What would you be thinking ? oh ? oh ? oh my god! my god! my god! May I say good grief? May I say good grief? May I say good grief? Yes, it's fine. Yes, it's fine. Yes, it's fine. So I asked, "What is this?" I So I asked, "What is this?" I So I asked, "What is this?" I wanted to. What is all this? I wanted to. What is all this? I wanted to. What is all this? I wanted to. We are an ordinary and wanted to. We are an ordinary and wanted to. We are an ordinary and boring family, so I could boring family, so I could n't understand what on earth was happening. People n't understand what on earth was happening. People came and said, "Some people will come and came and said, "Some people will come and came and said, "Some people will come and talk." That's what they said talk." That's what they said talk." That's what they said . I said, "Oh my god!" I . I said, "Oh my god!" I . I said, "Oh my god!" I wanted to. I was so distracted at the time that I didn't wanted to. I was so distracted at the time that I didn't realize Brian hadn't arrived yet. So,

like a grandmother, I tell my grandson, "You have like a grandmother, I tell my grandson, "You have to go to school." While doing so, I to go to school." While doing so, I started nagging. Oh, I started nagging. Oh, I started nagging. Oh, I 'm sorry for laughing. It 'm sorry for laughing. It was a really chaotic situation. Then was a really chaotic situation. Then suddenly, people search the house suddenly, people search the house suddenly, people search the house and say, "Now, we're going to go inside and and say, "Now, we're going to go inside and tell you that your son, Brian, has been arrested as a J6 bomber tell you that your son, Brian, has been arrested as a J6 bomber ." That is what they say. ." That is what they say. The moment I heard those words, my mind The moment I heard those words, my mind went blank. But since it's went blank. But since it's went blank. But since it's Brian, you said, " Brian, you said, " No, you definitely No, you definitely No, you definitely caught the wrong person. caught the wrong person. caught the wrong person. This makes no sense. It's This makes no sense. It's This makes no sense. It's not real." That's what I said. Then not real." That's what I said. Then not real." That's what I said. Then he said, "Yes, um, we he said, "Yes, um, we he said, "Yes, um, we arrested him, and he has already been transferred to downtown headquarters arrested him, and he has already been transferred to downtown headquarters arrested him, and he has already been transferred to downtown headquarters ." He ." He ." He said that. However, as he said said that. However, as he said , we went back and , we went back and , we went back and checked the CCTV footage, and he left the checked the CCTV footage, and he left the checked the CCTV footage, and he left the house around 6 o'clock, almost 7 o'clock house around 6 o'clock, almost 7 o'clock house around 6 o'clock, almost 7 o'clock . So, . So, by the time they were causing all sorts of commotion in front of your son, who had already been arrested, he was already in by the time they were causing all sorts of commotion in front of your son, who had already been arrested, he was already in custody custody , so why did they , so why did they point a rifle at you and handcuff you point a rifle at you and handcuff you point a rifle at you and handcuff you ? Have you ever been charged with a crime ? Have you ever been charged with a crime ? Have you ever been charged with a crime ?

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. . And after you went inside the house, you And after you went inside the house, you And after you went inside the house, you unlocked the handcuffs; did you unlocked the handcuffs; did you unlocked the handcuffs; did you apologize for putting them on apologize for putting them on apologize for putting them on ? ? ? no. Not at all. How could you no. Not at all. How could you no. Not at all. How could you handcuff an innocent grandmother? that's handcuff an innocent grandmother? that's handcuff an innocent grandmother? that's right. They didn't even apologize right. They didn't even apologize right. They didn't even apologize . And what about the grandson? Hmm . And what about the grandson? Hmm , , , what happened next what happened next what happened next ? Well, I ? Well, I don't know how long we had been talking, but suddenly a crowd of people started coming into the house crowd of people started coming into the house . . Inside the house? yes Inside the house? yes . They were everywhere. So my . They were everywhere. So my . They were everywhere. So my grandson and I were in the living room grandson and I were in the living room . They took a seat at a restaurant and . They took a seat at a restaurant and did things like reporting from the dining table. Um, so , um, two agents were talking to , um, two agents were talking to , um, two agents were talking to my grandson and me in the living room my grandson and me in the living room my grandson and me in the living room . Um, I asked, " . Um, I asked, " . Um, I asked, " Could you take the child to school Could you take the child to school Could you take the child to school ?" I asked. My child ?" I asked. My child wanted to play in a basketball game, so I had to wanted to play in a basketball game, so I had to wanted to play in a basketball game, so I had to go to school.

go to school. Even though it is a Even though it is a difficult task that could turn a life upside down, I wanted my child to difficult task that could turn a life upside down, I wanted my child to difficult task that could turn a life upside down, I wanted my child to live as normally as possible live as normally as possible live as normally as possible . Well, so . Well, so . Well, so they said it was okay. I they said it was okay. I took the child upstairs, took the child upstairs, dressed him, and took him to school. I dressed him, and took him to school. I dressed him, and took him to school. I found out later that he even talked to found out later that he even talked to found out later that he even talked to the child in the car the child in the car the child in the car . . I don't know how the question was asked or what was said, but before getting out of the car, I told before getting out of the car, I told before getting out of the car, I told one of the special operations officers, "Do one of the special operations officers, "Do one of the special operations officers, "Do n't talk to my grandson. Do n't talk to my grandson. Do n't ask him questions. If you n't ask him questions. If you have something to say, say it to me." Even though I have something to say, say it to me." Even though I have something to say, say it to me." Even though I clearly said that. clearly said that. clearly said that. Well, other than that, I don't Well, other than that, I don't really know what they talked about with Brian. As you know, teenagers are always so As you know, teenagers are always so vague. That person vague. That person asked me if I knew anything about what Brian did and if I knew his phone number.

That's all. Anyway, they checked to make sure Brian arrived at school safely. I followed Brian so that no one could follow me. followed Brian so that no one could follow me. That was all. That was all. That was all. Yes, and about that phone number Yes, and about that phone number Yes, and about that phone number , I don't know why, but they , I don't know why, but they asked all of us about that specific phone number asked all of us about that specific phone number . yes . yes . yes . . . Even over the phone. And, Even over the phone. And, Even over the phone. And, and, and, and, the and, and, and, the person who called me person who called me person who called me was very professional. was very professional. He was very polite and kind even on the phone. They were He was very polite and kind even on the phone. They were really professional and polite. really professional and polite. really professional and polite. The person in charge The person in charge The person in charge asked for my phone number and told me to enter it into my mobile phone to see if asked for my phone number and told me to enter it into my mobile phone to see if anything came up, but anything came up, but I answered that I didn't know. I answered that I didn't know. I answered that I didn't know. But I have no idea what that phone number But I have no idea what that phone number But I have no idea what that phone number was was was . For some reason, they were . For some reason, they were very interested in that specific phone number very interested in that specific phone number . They did . They did . They did n't tell me why they did that. Did you n't tell me why they did that. Did you ask both of you about that specific phone number? ask both of you about that specific phone number? Yes, all of us. Yes, all of us. Yes, all of us. All the children, all of them, All the children, all of them, All the children, all of them, asked the same question. asked the same question. asked the same question. All of them. All of them. All of them. By any chance, was there anyone who had that phone number saved on their mobile phone By any chance, was there anyone who had that phone number saved on their mobile phone ? ? no. no. no. no. yes no. yes no. yes . Do you have any idea what happened . Do you have any idea what happened . Do you have any idea what happened ?

? ? no. no. no. no. no. Then, what happened to your son Then, what happened to your son ? When did you find out exactly what charges he ? When did you find out exactly what charges he was indicted on and where your son is was indicted on and where your son is ? We did not know exactly where your son was or what charges he was indicted on until we met with a lawyer. not know exactly where your son was or what charges he was indicted on until we met with a lawyer. Yes, then what happened? Yes, then what happened? First of all, we contacted a lawyer only after realizing the seriousness of the situation . I have . I have worked with attorney John Shoman for a long time worked with attorney John Shoman for a long time worked with attorney John Shoman for a long time . Um, so I . Um, so I contacted him, and he said, "Hey contacted him, and he said, "Hey , did you hear what's going on , did you hear what's going on , did you hear what's going on ?" I asked. Then ?" I asked. Then ?" I asked. Then he said, "No, I'm in New York." I he said, "No, I'm in New York." I he said, "No, I'm in New York." I answered that. So I said, answered that. So I said, answered that. So I said, "Okay, but my son "Okay, but my son was arrested today and was arrested today and was arrested today and identified as a suspect in the J6 pipe bombing identified as a suspect in the J6 pipe bombing identified as a suspect in the J6 pipe bombing . I need you." He . I need you." He . I need you." He said that. Then John said, "Okay, I'll be right there said that. Then John said, "Okay, I'll be right there said that. Then John said, "Okay, I'll be right there ." He said.

." He said. ." He said. So he left New York So he left New York So he left New York . Because I wanted someone to be with . Because I wanted someone to be with . Because I wanted someone to be with Brian at his trial the next morning Brian at his trial the next morning . The next morning, John . The next morning, John came and met Brian and came and met Brian and came and met Brian and attended the trial as his defense attorney. attended the trial as his defense attorney. And that was the And that was the only time we actually saw him only time we actually saw him only time we actually saw him . Since the previous day. . Since the previous day. . Since the previous day. Yes, it was Yes, it was when I went to the trial the next morning. We couldn't talk to him when I went to the trial the next morning. We couldn't talk to him . We couldn't get in touch at all . We couldn't get in touch at all . We couldn't get in touch at all . Well, I only found out where . Well, I only found out where . Well, I only found out where he was that evening after the court ended he was that evening after the court ended . . Well, I don't want to say it, but Well, I don't want to say it, but Well, I don't want to say it, but we didn't know. Well, we we didn't know. Well, we thought he was still downtown. I didn't know thought he was still downtown. I didn't know where he was on Friday or Saturday, where he was on Friday or Saturday, where he was on Friday or Saturday, so I only so I only so I only found out after the weekend. John found out after the weekend. John found out after the weekend. John kept contacting the U.S. federal prosecutor to find out kept contacting the U.S. federal prosecutor to find out kept contacting the U.S. federal prosecutor to find out his whereabouts, but the his whereabouts, but the his whereabouts, but the prosecutor only prosecutor only prosecutor only said that he did not know. Hmm, said that he did not know. Hmm, I think it was around Monday evening. And as soon as I found out, I I think it was around Monday evening. And as soon as I found out, I called Brian and called Brian and called Brian and asked him to check, and I also asked asked him to check, and I also asked asked him to check, and I also asked another jewelry staff member to another jewelry staff member to another jewelry staff member to check.

check. Brian checked and said, "You might want to check for yourself, but he's there." He might want to check for yourself, but he's there." He said that. And I did that said that. And I did that said that. And I did that , and it satisfied me , and it satisfied me , and it satisfied me . The next day, as you know . The next day, as you know . The next day, as you know , we were , we were , we were wondering how to meet him. wondering how to meet him. wondering how to meet him. Because we couldn't even see him or Because we couldn't even see him or Because we couldn't even see him or talk to him talk to him talk to him . . . He was basically an early He was basically an early He was basically an early riser. Did you riser. Did you riser. Did you often wake up early? yes often wake up early? yes often wake up early? yes . I . I . I woke up early every morning. It woke up early every morning. It woke up early every morning. It started because he had a dog started because he had a dog started because he had a dog . It was a small Chihuahua . It was a small Chihuahua . It was a small Chihuahua . Every morning, he . Every morning, he . Every morning, he walked the dog, walked the dog, walked the dog, went to 7-Eleven, walked the dog again, and went to went to 7-Eleven, walked the dog again, and went to went to 7-Eleven, walked the dog again, and went to work. You work. You ask what I did at 7-Eleven? ask what I did at 7-Eleven? Brian just Brian just Brian just liked walking. So, 7- liked walking. So, 7- liked walking. So, 7- Eleven Eleven Eleven became the destination he walked to. He used to became the destination he walked to. He used to became the destination he walked to. He used to go to 7-Eleven, go to 7-Eleven, go to 7-Eleven, buy a soda, water, or a bottle of mineral water, and come back buy a soda, water, or a bottle of mineral water, and come back buy a soda, water, or a bottle of mineral water, and come back home. He home. He liked 7-Eleven's pizza and tacos. liked 7-Eleven's pizza and tacos. Yeah, who wouldn't like it? I Yeah, who wouldn't like it? I Yeah, who wouldn't like it? I know that, too. I feel the same way. I know that, too. I feel the same way. I know that, too. I feel the same way. I bought some snacks and came home. It was bought some snacks and came home. It was his daily routine to go to 7-Eleven with his small dog on his morning walk to buy water and pizza his daily routine to go to 7-Eleven with his small dog on his morning walk to buy water and pizza .

. . Well, by that time, I already had to Well, by that time, I already had to Well, by that time, I already had to euthanize the dog. yes. euthanize the dog. yes. euthanize the dog. yes. Yes, it was about a month ago. Yes, it was about a month ago. Yes, it was about a month ago. Oh my god. yes Oh my god. yes Oh my god. yes . yes . yes . yes . . . But that was his daily routine for several years But that was his daily routine for several years But that was his daily routine for several years . Waking up in the morning, taking . Waking up in the morning, taking . Waking up in the morning, taking the dog for a walk the dog for a walk , going to 7-Eleven to buy pizza or , going to 7-Eleven to buy pizza or , going to 7-Eleven to buy pizza or whatever, buying a drink, and coming back home whatever, buying a drink, and coming back home . It was like that every day . It was like that every day . It was like that every day . That was his routine . That was his routine . That was his routine . yes . yes . yes . . . And then he And then he And then he worked at your family business. yes worked at your family business. yes worked at your family business. yes . . . How long have you worked? How long have you worked? How long have you worked? Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Since around age 15? Since I was a teenager Since around age 15? Since I was a teenager . . . Yes, since I was about 15. Yes, since I was about 15. Yes, since I was about 15. When I was young, I worked there after school, especially When I was young, I worked there after school, especially When I was young, I worked there after school, especially in the summer. in the summer. Everyone worked there during the summer Everyone worked there during the summer . All summer long, and . All summer long, and until becoming an adult. until becoming an adult. until becoming an adult. And now he is 31 years old And now he is 31 years old And now he is 31 years old . yes . yes . yes . yes . yes . yes . He has . He has worked at the family business ever since he became an adult, going to work every day, five days a week. every day, five days a week. He was the only child who never took vacation or sick leave He was the only child who never took vacation or sick leave He was the only child who never took vacation or sick leave . . Ah, I'm getting emotional. Ah, I'm getting emotional. Why did they frame this child Why did they frame this child Why did they frame this child ? I really don't understand. That makes ? I really don't understand. That makes ? I really don't understand. That makes no sense.

no sense. no sense. Well, the more I know, the more shocking the Well, the more I know, the more shocking the Well, the more I know, the more shocking the story becomes. I learned story becomes. I learned story becomes. I learned a lot while talking all morning a lot while talking all morning a lot while talking all morning , and I , and I , and I think there will be many more things revealed in the future. think there will be many more things revealed in the future. It is one of the really shocking stories. Over the past few years, I have met many people claiming that their relatives were framed, but I have never been as convinced as I was in this case. Because never been as convinced as I was in this case. Because this is the truth. this is the truth. this is the truth. It is definitely true. So, It is definitely true. So, shall we talk about this person? This person has shall we talk about this person? This person has absolutely no criminal record. I have absolutely no criminal record. I have never been disciplined at school, and I do never been disciplined at school, and I do n't have any social media. n't have any social media. n't have any social media. So they are saying that So they are saying that this this person, who has never had any conflicts with the law or school authorities and has never posted extremist writings, planted person, who has never had any conflicts with the law or school authorities and has never posted extremist writings, planted person, who has never had any conflicts with the law or school authorities and has never posted extremist writings, planted bombs in front of the headquarters of two political parties for some reason bombs in front of the headquarters of two political parties for some reason bombs in front of the headquarters of two political parties for some reason . . . It's really ridiculous. It's really ridiculous. It's really ridiculous. But who was that person But who was that person But who was that person ? What kind of person was he? ? What kind of person was he? How would you describe that child with the same name as your son How would you describe that child with the same name as your son ? He ? He ? He was a really, really good child. was a really, really good child. was a really, really good child. Now that I've become an adult, I ca Now that I've become an adult, I ca Now that I've become an adult, I ca n't even call myself a child anymore. He was a n't even call myself a child anymore. He was a n't even call myself a child anymore. He was a really good child and really good child and really good child and never caused any trouble. He was a very never caused any trouble. He was a very never caused any trouble. He was a very respected child. I respected child. I respected child. I respected everyone. He was always a respected everyone. He was always a respected everyone. He was always a child who helped others. He child who helped others. He was just a really good kid overall. They have never caused us any problems . It didn't cause us any problems throughout our lives . As you know,

. As you know, when you have children, there have been times when the other children when you have children, there have been times when the other children when you have children, there have been times when the other children caused problems caused problems . But that child, who hasn't harmed us in any way— . But that child, who hasn't harmed us in any way— no, hasn't done no, hasn't done no, hasn't done anything wrong—is going through anything wrong—is going through anything wrong—is going through all of this all of this all of this , and we ca , and we ca , and we ca n't understand it. But that child is a n't understand it. But that child is a n't understand it. But that child is a really good child. Well, really good child. Well, really good child. Well, I... I don't think anyone will speak negatively about that child I... I don't think anyone will speak negatively about that child . Now, let's talk about Cozy Earth. We are not representing the reaction to the broadcast. We are not representing the reaction to the broadcast. We are not ashamed of that. not ashamed of that. not ashamed of that. We think Cozy Earth is really We think Cozy Earth is really We think Cozy Earth is really great. Cozy great. Cozy great. Cozy Earth bed sheets transform your room Earth bed sheets transform your room into a resort. The into a resort. The into a resort. The best thing about it is that it is made of bamboo best thing about it is that it is made of bamboo best thing about it is that it is made of bamboo . I . I . I think it's really cool. think it's really cool. think it's really cool. The moment you lie down on the bed, a soft and smooth The moment you lie down on the bed, a soft and smooth The moment you lie down on the bed, a soft and smooth sensation envelops you. It is sensation envelops you. It is sensation envelops you. It is really good and caters to everyone's sleep really good and caters to everyone's sleep really good and caters to everyone's sleep needs. That is needs. That is needs. That is because it has a temperature control function because it has a temperature control function because it has a temperature control function . So, if you are someone who gets hot easily, I . So, if you are someone who gets hot easily, I don't need to explain any further. It will be helpful don't need to explain any further. It will be helpful . It absorbs moisture so you don't . It absorbs moisture so you don't wake up soaked in sweat wake up soaked in sweat wake up soaked in sweat . However, there is . However, there is . However, there is one thing to note about Cozy Earth one thing to note about Cozy Earth one thing to note about Cozy Earth . The blanket is so . The blanket is so . The blanket is so nice that it's hard to get up in the morning nice that it's hard to get up in the morning nice that it's hard to get up in the morning . It's really, really . It's really, really . It's really, really comfortable. I warned you in advance comfortable. I warned you in advance comfortable. I warned you in advance . Cozy Earth offers a 100-day . Cozy Earth offers a 100-day . Cozy Earth offers a 100-day sleep trial and a 10-year warranty sleep trial and a 10-year warranty . It's a . It's a . It's a really amazing benefit for a bed sheet really amazing benefit for a bed sheet really amazing benefit for a bed sheet . The address . The address . The address is cozyearth.com. You can is cozyearth.com. You can is cozyearth.com. You can get up to 20% off by using code Tucker get up to 20% off by using code Tucker get up to 20% off by using code Tucker . When . When . When you complete the survey after your purchase, please mention that you you complete the survey after your purchase, please mention that you you complete the survey after your purchase, please mention that you learned about Cozy Earth through us learned about Cozy Earth through us learned about Cozy Earth through us . When you see him wake up at 6 a.m. every morning, . When you see him wake up at 6 a.m. every morning, . When you see him wake up at 6 a.m. every morning, take his dog take his dog take his dog to 7-Eleven, and then go to to 7-Eleven, and then go to to 7-Eleven, and then go to work at the family business, you can work at the family business, you can tell that he is an amazing person. So, are you saying that he has autism

saying that he has autism saying that he has autism ? yes ? yes ? yes . I had a son named Brian Young . I had a son named Brian Young . I had a son named Brian Young , and I was 20 years old at the time , and I was 20 years old at the time , and I was 20 years old at the time . Brian . Brian . Brian was always quiet and had no problems was always quiet and had no problems was always quiet and had no problems . You usually have to . You usually have to . You usually have to play with children, right? However, play with children, right? However, play with children, right? However, Brian did Brian did Brian did n't want to play at all. As long as n't want to play at all. As long as n't want to play at all. As long as Brian ate well and Brian ate well and Brian ate well and kept his diapers clean, there were kept his diapers clean, there were kept his diapers clean, there were no problems. My cousin's no problems. My cousin's no problems. My cousin's girlfriend often looked girlfriend often looked girlfriend often looked after Brian, saying, "I can look after him anytime you want after Brian, saying, "I can look after him anytime you want after Brian, saying, "I can look after him anytime you want ." It was to the point where you could say that ." It was to the point where you could say that . There really weren't any problems . There really weren't any problems . There really weren't any problems . He played well by himself, too . He played well by himself, too . He played well by himself, too . However, back then I was . However, back then I was . However, back then I was young, so I didn't pay as much attention to that aspect young, so I didn't pay as much attention to that aspect young, so I didn't pay as much attention to that aspect . I thought he was just a good kid . I thought he was just a good kid . I thought he was just a good kid . Then I started . Then I started working at a pediatric clinic in Fairfax, and as Brian grew up, I saw many parents bringing in children with conditions like autism or tic grew up, I saw many parents bringing in children with conditions like autism or tic grew up, I saw many parents bringing in children with conditions like autism or tic disorders disorders .

. I found out that Brian has that tendency too I found out that Brian has that tendency too I found out that Brian has that tendency too . yes. I was . yes. I was n't sure, but once n't sure, but once Brian reached the Brian reached the Brian reached the age where he could make his own decisions and age where he could make his own decisions and no longer had to do everything we told him to do or wanted, I got to know his characteristics in more detail while talking with headphones on . He was always obedient . He was always obedient . He was always obedient . He was always obedient . He was always obedient , and there were many other small things as well , and there were many other small things as well , and there were many other small things as well . . Are you asking if he was a good kid? It was Are you asking if he was a good kid? It was always like that. Oh, always like that. Oh, always like that. Oh, and people need to know where we and people need to know where we came from and where we grew up came from and where we grew up came from and where we grew up . We are . We are . We are Washington D.C. I grew up in the southeastern region Washington D.C. I grew up in the southeastern region Washington D.C. I grew up in the southeastern region . When I had my children, I was . When I had my children, I was . When I had my children, I was young, and young, and young, and autism wasn't a major concern like it is now autism wasn't a major concern like it is now . Because we were of the same generation, I did . Because we were of the same generation, I did n't know much about autism. I had never even heard the word autism.

never even heard the word autism. So when I saw a child like that, I just So when I saw a child like that, I just So when I saw a child like that, I just thought they were normal thought they were normal thought they were normal . Because we were together every day . Because we were together every day . Because we were together every day . Naturally, I . Naturally, I didn't receive any education about autism, and at the time, I didn't receive any education about autism, and at the time, I didn't know anything. But looking didn't know anything. But looking didn't know anything. But looking back now, there were back now, there were back now, there were definitely signs of autism. definitely signs of autism. However, in the 1990s and However, in the 1990s and early 2000s, autism did not early 2000s, autism did not early 2000s, autism did not occupy a significant position in society occupy a significant position in society occupy a significant position in society . Especially in our society, there wasn't much . Especially in our society, there wasn't much . Especially in our society, there wasn't much known about autism known about autism known about autism . Of course . Of course . Of course . Many people say, " . Many people say, " They should have known," but They should have known," but They should have known," but we didn't we didn't we didn't . Because at that time, I had . Because at that time, I had . Because at that time, I had n't received any education about autism n't received any education about autism n't received any education about autism . The reason I . The reason I asked you to explain that part of Brian's personality and life is that it may be asked you to explain that part of Brian's personality and life is that it may be related to this incident related to this incident related to this incident . I do not think you will be . I do not think you will be . I do not think you will be able to speak as the trial is currently in progress, so I will able to speak as the trial is currently in progress, so I will not ask for further details.

However, the government However, the government stated that he confessed to this crime, and as is a stated that he confessed to this crime, and as is a stated that he confessed to this crime, and as is a widely known fact and widely known fact and widely known fact and proven by various studies, proven by various studies, proven by various studies, autistic patients are much more likely to falsely confess to autistic patients are much more likely to falsely confess to autistic patients are much more likely to falsely confess to crimes they did not commit due to severe mood swings crimes they did not commit due to severe mood swings . They have a . They have a strong tendency to please others and just strong tendency to please others and just want everything to end. As can be seen from the research results want everything to end. As can be seen from the research results , if you apply enough pressure, you can , if you apply enough pressure, you can , if you apply enough pressure, you can confess to anything confess to anything confess to anything . Therefore, just because I read an article in the newspaper about an . Therefore, just because I read an article in the newspaper about an . Therefore, just because I read an article in the newspaper about an autistic man confessing to a crime makes a autistic man confessing to a crime makes a big difference from you or me confessing to a crime big difference from you or me confessing to a crime . It is like saying, "This is already a well- . It is like saying, "This is already a well- . It is like saying, "This is already a well- known fact." I do known fact." I do not want to ask you for your opinion on this matter . It is probably . It is probably . It is probably because I don't think there is a need for that. because I don't think there is a need for that. because I don't think there is a need for that. However, I hope the viewers understand this point However, I hope the viewers understand this point However, I hope the viewers understand this point . If you are . If you are someone who knows a lot about this issue, you would think, "They caught an autistic child and someone who knows a lot about this issue, you would think, "They caught an autistic child and made a confession made a confession made a confession ." Did you say he confessed ." Did you say he confessed ." Did you say he confessed ? yes ? yes ? yes . . . Then, are you asking if he was political Then, are you asking if he was political Then, are you asking if he was political ? As far as I know, that ? As far as I know, that ? As far as I know, that is not the case. From what is not the case. From what is not the case. From what we have seen, it does we have seen, it does we have seen, it does not seem that way. No, there was nothing like that not seem that way. No, there was nothing like that not seem that way. No, there was nothing like that . No, I . No, I retold the situation in my head, and he did retold the situation in my head, and he did n't talk about politics at all n't talk about politics at all . Not at all. I do . Not at all. I do n't understand. How could that be n't understand. How could that be n't understand. How could that be ?

? ? He lives at home, and you He lives at home, and you He lives at home, and you work with him every day. That's right work with him every day. That's right work with him every day. That's right . . . If he had If he had If he had gotten involved in any political issues, gotten involved in any political issues, gotten involved in any political issues, you probably would have heard about it, and we would have you probably would have heard about it, and we would have you probably would have heard about it, and we would have known. That's right known. That's right known. That's right . Please don't misunderstand. . Please don't misunderstand. . Please don't misunderstand. We also talked about current affairs We also talked about current affairs We also talked about current affairs . yes . yes . yes . Whenever we talk about a certain topic . Whenever we talk about a certain topic . Whenever we talk about a certain topic . . However, he did However, he did not force a political stance. We not force a political stance. We focused more on talking about who was right and wrong focused more on talking about who was right and wrong . yes . yes . yes . Well, I'm saying this . Well, I'm saying this . Well, I'm saying this for your sake for your sake . I just do . I just do n't understand. I wonder n't understand. I wonder where all of this started. Why did where all of this started. Why did where all of this started. Why did they, what, how, how? The they, what, how, how? The government claims that... but I do government claims that... but I do n't know. I would like to ask you this question n't know. I would like to ask you this question . I would like to understand the exact reason . I would like to understand the exact reason for Mr. Wright's arrest and continued detention for Mr. Wright's arrest and continued detention . The government announced one day after the incident that a pipe bomb had been planted in front of the Capitol building, where the RNC and DNC are located pipe bomb had been planted in front of the Capitol building, where the RNC and DNC are located . The . The . The bomb did not explode, and bomb did not explode, and bomb did not explode, and later I found out it wasn't a real bomb later I found out it wasn't a real bomb .

. . Yes, that is correct. It Yes, that is correct. It Yes, that is correct. It was a dud. However, the government was a dud. However, the government claimed that people described as rebels planted bombs to distract the police while storming the Capitol. claimed that people described as rebels planted bombs to distract the police while storming the Capitol. In other words, the government has emphasized several times that the pipe bomb In other words, the government has emphasized several times that the pipe bomb In other words, the government has emphasized several times that the pipe bomb incident at the National Assembly was directly related to what happened at the National Assembly that day incident at the National Assembly was directly related to what happened at the National Assembly that day . Is that . Is that correct? correct? correct? Yes, that is correct. Yes, that is correct. Yes, that is correct. Then, let me ask you a few questions Then, let me ask you a few questions Then, let me ask you a few questions . Did your son . Did your son . Did your son attend the event on January 6? attend the event on January 6? attend the event on January 6? No, No, No, no. Is the government no. Is the government no. Is the government claiming that your son was there claiming that your son was there claiming that your son was there ? As far as ? As far as ? As far as I know, that is I know, that is I know, that is not the case. Are you not the case. Are you aware that your son may have had contact with the perpetrators of the January 6th incident? Is the aware that your son may have had contact with the perpetrators of the January 6th incident? Is the government claiming that your son contacted the perpetrators government claiming that your son contacted the perpetrators ? ? As far as I know, there isn't. As far as I know, there isn't. As far as I know, there isn't. All right. Has your son never All right. Has your son never All right. Has your son never posted a message of support on social media posted a message of support on social media posted a message of support on social media ? ? ? Yes, your son Yes, your son Yes, your son doesn't even have a social media account. No, there is doesn't even have a social media account. No, there is doesn't even have a social media account. No, there is n't. Are you n't. Are you aware of any connection between your son and the incident that occurred at the National Assembly on January 6? aware of any connection between your son and the incident that occurred at the National Assembly on January 6? No, there isn't. No, there isn't.

Has the government ever presented any materials showing a connection between your son and the incident on that day? Has the government ever presented any materials showing a connection between your son and the incident on that day? No, I didn't see anything No, I didn't see anything No, I didn't see anything . . So, when you mentioned your son was the National Assembly So, when you mentioned your son was the National Assembly bomber, you said, bomber, you said, bomber, you said, "Ah, right. I remember my son talking about the National Assembly raid while screaming in the kitchen "Ah, right. I remember my son talking about the National Assembly raid while screaming in the kitchen "Ah, right. I remember my son talking about the National Assembly raid while screaming in the kitchen or cleaning his gun at the dining table or cleaning his gun at the dining table ." Did you have that ." Did you have that thought? No, there is thought? No, there is thought? No, there is n't. The n't. The n't. The only way I remember it is because it was five years ago only way I remember it is because it was five years ago only way I remember it is because it was five years ago . I . I . I completely forgot that thought. I have completely forgot that thought. I have completely forgot that thought. I have n't looked closely at that incident, so I don't n't looked closely at that incident, so I don't n't looked closely at that incident, so I don't know for sure. I only saw the scenes of the know for sure. I only saw the scenes of the know for sure. I only saw the scenes of the National Assembly raid reported by the media National Assembly raid reported by the media National Assembly raid reported by the media . That was . That was . That was all. yes all. yes all. yes . . . Well, I didn't look into that case in detail Well, I didn't look into that case in detail Well, I didn't look into that case in detail . . . So I didn't understand what they were saying, So I didn't understand what they were saying, So I didn't understand what they were saying, but they but they showed me a still image, so I said, "Ah, I showed me a still image, so I said, "Ah, I showed me a still image, so I said, "Ah, I think I've seen that video." I thought so think I've seen that video." I thought so think I've seen that video." I thought so . . When the FBI showed that footage? yes When the FBI showed that footage? yes . I probably didn't know. . I probably didn't know. . I probably didn't know. What was on the screen? He was just a What was on the screen? He was just a What was on the screen? He was just a person wearing a gray hoodie person wearing a gray hoodie person wearing a gray hoodie . The . The scene captured on the National Assembly security camera of the person wearing the gray hoodie planting the bomb scene captured on the National Assembly security camera of the person wearing the gray hoodie planting the bomb . yes.

. yes. . yes. In front of the building. In front of the building. In front of the building. That's all. That's all. That's all. And then, showing him the photo, I And then, showing him the photo, I told him that the person was your son, Brian. yes told him that the person was your son, Brian. yes . They asked me, "Do I . They asked me, "Do I look like Brian? Do I look like Brian? Do I look like Brian? Do I look like Brian's tracksuit hoodie?" I look like Brian's tracksuit hoodie?" I look like Brian's tracksuit hoodie?" I asked. I said, "I asked. I said, "I asked. I said, "I have a gray sweat suit hoodie too. have a gray sweat suit hoodie too. have a gray sweat suit hoodie too. Who wouldn't have a gray sweat suit hoodie Who wouldn't have a gray sweat suit hoodie Who wouldn't have a gray sweat suit hoodie ?" That's what I answered. ?" That's what I answered. ?" That's what I answered. No, I cannot tell you whether that is his sweat suit or No, I cannot tell you whether that is his sweat suit or No, I cannot tell you whether that is his sweat suit or not not not . It's really ridiculous . It's really ridiculous . It's really ridiculous . I cannot answer that question . I cannot answer that question . I cannot answer that question . I was just trying to find something to implicate him . I was just trying to find something to implicate him . Did you find anything like bomb-making materials at home? I do n't know what I found. That day was really n't know what I found. That day was really chaotic. chaotic. So whatever I received, I So whatever I received, I handed it over to a lawyer right away. I handed it over to a lawyer right away. I handed it over to a lawyer right away. I couldn't even take a proper look couldn't even take a proper look . "Where is he? The children are . "Where is he? The children are . "Where is he? The children are worried about me." That was all I could worried about me." That was all I could worried about me." That was all I could think about. Then the think about. Then the think about. Then the media swarmed in, and we media swarmed in, and we just wanted to leave. It could just wanted to leave. It could just wanted to leave. It could n't be helped.

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. . So I'm just going to go and So I'm just going to go and So I'm just going to go and tease him and force him to talk tease him and force him to talk tease him and force him to talk . yes . yes . yes . Then he walks out of the room . Then he walks out of the room . Then he walks out of the room . . . So I leave his room So I leave his room So I leave his room . But as you know, . But as you know, . But as you know, I know that trick. I know that trick. I know that trick. So, we So, we wait until he comes back in. He is wait until he comes back in. He is wait until he comes back in. He is surprised. I asked, "Are you still here surprised. I asked, "Are you still here surprised. I asked, "Are you still here ?" He asks. Yes, ?" He asks. Yes, ?" He asks. Yes, because I because I knew you were trying to shut me up. So, it’s not something he can hide. Hmm, so I'm not not something he can hide. Hmm, so I'm not really sure where all of this came from really sure where all of this came from really sure where all of this came from . I really don't know . I really don't know . . . But you don't understand what the government is But you don't understand what the government is But you don't understand what the government is thinking thinking thinking . For example, the . For example, the . For example, the bombing of the Capitol Building is related to the January 6th bombing of the Capitol Building is related to the January 6th bombing of the Capitol Building is related to the January 6th protests/riots, which the government calls a rebellion protests/riots, which the government calls a rebellion . We can just say that because the government has been telling us that for five years . yes . yes . . Honestly, do you think there is no connection between your son and the January 6th Honestly, do you think there is no connection between your son and the January 6th protest protest protest ? ? ? No, not at all. However, the No, not at all. However, the No, not at all. However, the government will certainly try government will certainly try government will certainly try to find some connection. I to find some connection. I want to know what that is. Of course, we want to know what that is. Of course, we won't know until the trial.

won't know until the trial. won't know until the trial. When is the trial? It When is the trial? It When is the trial? It is February 16, 2027. is February 16, 2027. is February 16, 2027. My son would have been locked up in prison for one year and two months My son would have been locked up in prison for one year and two months My son would have been locked up in prison for one year and two months . Why? . Why? Hmm, I think you, as someone in the bail bond business, can answer this question. think you, as someone in the bail bond business, can answer this question. Ironically, your son is Ironically, your son is Ironically, your son is being held in custody without bail being held in custody without bail being held in custody without bail . yes . yes . yes . . However, this person has no criminal record and has never committed any wrongdoing, and even though he has a family, a home, and a family business, he is being held in custody without bail. I could held in custody without bail. I could go home and spend time with people go home and spend time with people go home and spend time with people . Why? . Why? . Why? They said that was all as their only excuse They said that was all as their only excuse They said that was all as their only excuse . I'm . I'm really dumbfounded. They agree that the son is not a dangerous person, though. He's agree that the son is not a dangerous person, though. He's not a dangerous person? not a dangerous person? not a dangerous person? Yes, Yes, Yes, he he he doesn't pose a danger to people. There doesn't pose a danger to people. There doesn't pose a danger to people. There is no risk of running away either. And is no risk of running away either. And he has never been arrested.

But the point is that he should not be But the point is that he should not be released because of the charges they leveled against him released because of the charges they leveled against him . As you know . As you know . As you know , we agreed, and my , we agreed, and my , we agreed, and my mother-in-law said, "Since they claim something happened at our house mother-in-law said, "Since they claim something happened at our house , it is , it is fine for him to come and stay here. I fine for him to come and stay here. I live in a highly secure housing complex. We can provide ankle monitoring , and we can also place him under house arrest if he wishes , and we can also place him under house arrest if he wishes , and we can also place him under house arrest if he wishes . He can . He can . He can visit whenever he wants, and I can visit whenever he wants, and I can visit whenever he wants, and I can receive weekly reports." He receive weekly reports." He receive weekly reports." He said that. Even so, no said that. Even so, no said that. Even so, no action was taken action was taken action was taken . . . Because of the charges they raised. Have you ever run a Because of the charges they raised. Have you ever run a Because of the charges they raised. Have you ever run a bail bond business bail bond business bail bond business ? ? ? Yes, it is 31 years. I would like to Yes, it is 31 years. I would like to Yes, it is 31 years. I would like to say once again that I am say once again that I am truly impressed by how well you understand this situation truly impressed by how well you understand this situation . It's really strange, is . It's really strange, is . It's really strange, is n't it? Let me n't it? Let me n't it? Let me explain. If this explain. If this explain. If this incident happened in another state incident happened in another state incident happened in another state , , , yes. If it had been a yes. If it had been a similar case in another state or region , he would have been out of prison by now and standing , he would have been out of prison by now and standing , he would have been out of prison by now and standing trial at home trial at home trial at home . Well, I'm not sure if it has anything to do with his race . Well, I'm not sure if it has anything to do with his race . I do . I do n't want to say that.

n't want to say that. Because very recently, right Because very recently, right after his case, a after his case, a similar situation happened to white children in Rowden County, Virginia, and they have happened to white children in Rowden County, Virginia, and they have happened to white children in Rowden County, Virginia, and they have now been released from their homes. now been released from their homes. now been released from their homes. It's a similar situation. Hmm, I don't know why It's a similar situation. Hmm, I don't know why It's a similar situation. Hmm, I don't know why he went through this he went through this he went through this . Looking at the big picture . Looking at the big picture . Looking at the big picture , for five years this case, no , for five years this case, no , for five years this case, no one was arrested and, as far as we one was arrested and, as far as we one was arrested and, as far as we know, there was no progress, but the situation changed only after a know, there was no progress, but the situation changed only after a know, there was no progress, but the situation changed only after a media outlet published an article media outlet published an article . Of course, I am . Of course, I am not supporting that article. This is not supporting that article. This is because I do not have information about that article because I do not have information about that article . However, they ran a . However, they ran a . However, they ran a gate analysis program on the CCTV footage and gate analysis program on the CCTV footage and identified a suspect. And identified a suspect. And based on the results, they based on the results, they based on the results, they identified a woman named Shawnee Cutland identified a woman named Shawnee Cutland identified a woman named Shawnee Cutland , who was a former Capitol , who was a former Capitol , who was a former Capitol Police officer and is now Police officer and is now working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) security team. Surprisingly, working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) security team. Surprisingly, you see. They claim that she failed the lie detector test regarding the question of whether she is a you see. They claim that she failed the lie detector test regarding the question of whether she is a you see. They claim that she failed the lie detector test regarding the question of whether she is a pipe bomb terrorist pipe bomb terrorist .

. Shawnee Kirtland denied Shawnee Kirtland denied Shawnee Kirtland denied being a bomber and having no connection to the incident being a bomber and having no connection to the incident . And as you know . And as you know , , , your son was arrested shortly after that your son was arrested shortly after that your son was arrested shortly after that , but there was no progress in the case for five years , but there was no progress in the case for five years , but there was no progress in the case for five years . . Was it two weeks later? Is Was it two weeks later? Is that right? Two weeks later? that right? Two weeks later? that right? Two weeks later? Was it between 5 and 7 weeks? I Was it between 5 and 7 weeks? I Was it between 5 and 7 weeks? I remember it was announced on October 6th remember it was announced on October 6th remember it was announced on October 6th . It . It . It was about 5 weeks later. was about 5 weeks later. was about 5 weeks later. And it was November, And it was November, And it was November, about a month later. yes about a month later. yes about a month later. yes . . . So I have so many questions about this case So I have so many questions about this case So I have so many questions about this case . The . The . The most obvious question is how a most obvious question is how a person whose name was publicly mentioned could be arrested, person whose name was publicly mentioned could be arrested, person whose name was publicly mentioned could be arrested, whether true or false whether true or false . Well, how did someone . Well, how did someone publicly identified as a pipe bomber manage to publicly identified as a pipe bomber manage to maintain their security clearance and even become a maintain their security clearance and even become a bodyguard at the CIA headquarters in Langley bodyguard at the CIA headquarters in Langley ? What on earth is going on ? What on earth is going on ? That's right. What I want to say is that I don't understand what you are saying. I really do don't understand what you are saying. I really do n't understand. You n't understand. You live close to the police live close to the police live close to the police . Do you understand? I do . Do you understand? I do n't understand at all n't understand at all . I . I . I have seen people lose their security clearance for drunk driving have seen people lose their security clearance for drunk driving . that's right. I don't really understand it either . that's right. I don't really understand it either . that's right. I don't really understand it either . But how is it that . But how is it that . But how is it that your son, who has absolutely no connection to J6, your son, who has absolutely no connection to J6, was arrested immediately after this person, another individual, had their name revealed to the media? yes . That is why I . That is why I wanted to talk to you. It looks just like a TV movie wanted to talk to you. It looks just like a TV movie conspiracy theory

conspiracy theory . What is the other explanation? I . What is the other explanation? I thought that was the only place where something like this could happen thought that was the only place where something like this could happen . I . I . I thought so too. That's the only place thought so too. That's the only place thought so too. That's the only place . I . I . I really can't believe it. I really can't believe it. I never imagined something like this would happen here. How could the never imagined something like this would happen here. How could the federal government imprison an innocent person federal government imprison an innocent person federal government imprison an innocent person knowing full well what they were doing, and detain them knowing full well what they were doing, and detain them without bail? Even though I knew he had without bail? Even though I knew he had without bail? Even though I knew he had n't committed the crime n't committed the crime n't committed the crime . yes . yes . yes . We have never spoken to our son directly . We have never spoken to our son directly . We have never spoken to our son directly . For me, . For me, . For me, since the night of December 3rd. We can talk on the phone, since the night of December 3rd. We can talk on the phone, since the night of December 3rd. We can talk on the phone, but but what can we talk about over a prison phone what can we talk about over a prison phone ? ? ? You know what I mean, right? My son You know what I mean, right? My son You know what I mean, right? My son video calls sometimes, but video calls sometimes, but video calls sometimes, but what can we really say over a video call what can we really say over a video call ? ? ? Especially since, as you mentioned, he is Especially since, as you mentioned, he is Especially since, as you mentioned, he is someone who doesn't talk much to begin with someone who doesn't talk much to begin with someone who doesn't talk much to begin with . . . Such a call is in a completely Such a call is in a completely Such a call is in a completely isolated state isolated state isolated state . yes. The . yes. The interesting thing is that the President granted a pardon interesting thing is that the President granted a pardon to everyone involved in the incident on January 6 to everyone involved in the incident on January 6 to everyone involved in the incident on January 6 .

. All those who were indicted and convicted were pardoned, and their All those who were indicted and convicted were pardoned, and their sentences were reduced. I understand that your son was sentences were reduced. I understand that your son was arrested on charges related to the January 6 incident arrested on charges related to the January 6 incident . yes . yes . yes . But . But . But why doesn't that charge apply to your son why doesn't that charge apply to your son why doesn't that charge apply to your son ? ? ? We cannot answer that question We cannot answer that question We cannot answer that question . It seems the lawyers will have to . It seems the lawyers will have to . It seems the lawyers will have to come back and provide an answer come back and provide an answer come back and provide an answer . I . I . I cannot answer that question. I cannot answer that question. I cannot answer that question. I don't know the answer either, but it's really strange. don't know the answer either, but it's really strange. Another strange thing is, please let me know if I am Another strange thing is, please let me know if I am mistaken mistaken mistaken . It seems your son has been . It seems your son has been . It seems your son has been charged with weapons of mass destruction charged with weapons of mass destruction charged with weapons of mass destruction . Right? That makes no sense . Right? That makes no sense . Right? That makes no sense . But it was officially confirmed that the bomb was a dud that did not explode . But it was officially confirmed that the bomb was a dud that did not explode . yes. It wasn't actually a bomb . yes. It wasn't actually a bomb , and it couldn't explode , and it couldn't explode , and it couldn't explode . As far as I know, that is the case . As far as I know, that is the case . As far as I know, that is the case . But how . But how can your son be assumed to be involved in this case and charged with weapons of mass destruction? can your son be assumed to be involved in this case and charged with weapons of mass destruction? Even if it was related, that Even if it was related, that Even if it was related, that bomb wasn't a weapon of mass destruction, bomb wasn't a weapon of mass destruction, bomb wasn't a weapon of mass destruction, was it? yes. I think you will need to was it? yes. I think you will need to was it? yes. I think you will need to consult the legal team about that consult the legal team about that consult the legal team about that . As you know, . As you know, . As you know, that is a question I cannot answer that is a question I cannot answer that is a question I cannot answer . We can't answer either . We can't answer either . We can't answer either . We . We . We cannot answer because we do not know the details cannot answer because we do not know the details cannot answer because we do not know the details . How could that be? That does . How could that be? That does . How could that be? That does n't make sense. How n't make sense. How n't make sense. How can you indict someone on such charges? Even just can you indict someone on such charges? Even just looking at their explanation, it doesn't make sense looking at their explanation, it doesn't make sense . It was . It was they who said the bomb wasn't real.

they who said the bomb wasn't real. Right? Right? So I So I looked up the image they mentioned, and I looked up the image they mentioned, and I looked up the image they mentioned, and I thought they were definitely joking thought they were definitely joking thought they were definitely joking . . . Why do you think that happened? Why do you think that happened? Why do you think that happened? What did you think those images would do What did you think those images would do What did you think those images would do ? What ? What ? What did you think those bombs would do? did you think those bombs would do? Did you see the bomb video online? Did you see the bomb video online? no. There is a photo of an actual bomb no. There is a photo of an actual bomb no. There is a photo of an actual bomb online. online. online. A photo of an actual bomb? yes A photo of an actual bomb? yes A photo of an actual bomb? yes . A bomb photo. . A bomb photo. . A bomb photo. I told you it was under the bush. I told you it was under the bush. So those photos are online. As I said before are online. As I said before are online. As I said before , I know , I know , I know absolutely nothing about this. absolutely nothing about this. It's really shocking. I don't It's really shocking. I don't understand why they are making such claims understand why they are making such claims . . . Owning a home has always been at the Owning a home has always been at the Owning a home has always been at the center of an American dream. My home is a center of an American dream. My home is a tangible asset, a tangible asset, a sanctuary built over a lifetime, and a place of stability, safety, sanctuary built over a lifetime, and a place of stability, safety, and true value and true value and true value . However, right now, . However, right now, . However, right now, too many homeowners are too many homeowners are swiping their credit cards to cover their grocery expenses swiping their credit cards to cover their grocery expenses . In fact, interest of over 20% is . In fact, interest of over 20% is no different from a tax for survival.

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. . We understand that feeling as well We understand that feeling as well We understand that feeling as well . . . All official explanations are simple All official explanations are simple All official explanations are simple and identical. It is that and identical. It is that and identical. It is that Timothy McVeigh single-handedly Timothy McVeigh single-handedly Timothy McVeigh single-handedly blew up a federal building and killed 168 people, blew up a federal building and killed 168 people, including nearly 20 children including nearly 20 children . It is a truly heartbreaking incident . It is a truly heartbreaking incident . The government rushed to solve the case, but . The government rushed to solve the case, but even now, 30 years later, many questions remain even now, 30 years later, many questions remain . Did Timothy McVeigh . Did Timothy McVeigh . Did Timothy McVeigh really commit the crime alone really commit the crime alone really commit the crime alone ? It is ? It is highly likely that someone else is involved. highly likely that someone else is involved. Why were so many obvious warnings Why were so many obvious warnings ignored? It ignored? It ignored? It only added to the confusion. only added to the confusion. only added to the confusion. And who was he with And who was he with And who was he with ? A man called John No. 2 ? A man called John No. 2 ? A man called John No. 2 . . . Who was John No. 2, and where Who was John No. 2, and where Who was John No. 2, and where was he? was he? was he? We spoke with survivors, investigators, police, and We spoke with survivors, investigators, police, and We spoke with survivors, investigators, police, and even Timothy McVeigh's even Timothy McVeigh's even Timothy McVeigh's lawyer lawyer lawyer . I . I thought that what he told me was not the truth. thought that what he told me was not the truth. Videos related to the OKC bombing incident are available Videos related to the OKC bombing incident are available for exclusive streaming on TuckerCarlson.com for exclusive streaming on TuckerCarlson.com . Hmm, . Hmm, . Hmm, did you see the video of the pipe bomb terrorist? There was a did you see the video of the pipe bomb terrorist? There was a did you see the video of the pipe bomb terrorist? There was a video online of a person wearing a gray hoodie video online of a person wearing a gray hoodie video online of a person wearing a gray hoodie . yes . yes . yes . Well, . Well, . Well, most parents most parents most parents think they know their children's movements think they know their children's movements think they know their children's movements . yes . yes . yes . Although . Although there is no scientific basis for this, in reality, there is no scientific basis for this, in reality, any parent can tell any parent can tell any parent can tell which child is theirs just by looking at their movements in a crowd which child is theirs just by looking at their movements in a crowd which child is theirs just by looking at their movements in a crowd . Does that . Does that . Does that child look like your son child look like your son child look like your son ? Not at all.

? Not at all. ? Not at all. Not at all. yes Not at all. yes . . Not at all. yes Not at all. yes . Since his arrest in December, . Since his arrest in December, have any family or friends asked you, "Actually, did have any family or friends asked you, "Actually, did n't you know Brian had a secret life you didn't know about?" Was there anyone who said that ? ? ? no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. Well, has anyone among the federal government officials Well, has anyone among the federal government officials (you (you (you don't have to reveal their name) ever said that this case was don't have to reveal their name) ever said that this case was fabricated, that judicial justice was fabricated, that judicial justice was distorted, and that it is preposterous distorted, and that it is preposterous distorted, and that it is preposterous ? ? ? I distanced myself from this case and let I distanced myself from this case and let I distanced myself from this case and let his legal team his legal team his legal team handle everything. handle everything. handle everything. So I don't talk to anyone So I don't talk to anyone So I don't talk to anyone . As you know, . As you know, . As you know, I hand everything over to the legal team I hand everything over to the legal team I hand everything over to the legal team . However, to be honest . However, to be honest . However, to be honest , whether it was , whether it was , whether it was FBI agents or federal marshals, FBI agents or federal marshals, no one has ever asked or questioned the people who pointed guns at you and your grandson and handcuffed you. Do they really think they are they really think they are fighting for justice fighting for justice fighting for justice ? Do they ? Do they ? Do they really think your son is a J6 really think your son is a J6 really think your son is a J6 pipe bomber pipe bomber pipe bomber ?

? ? Who knows? I have absolutely Who knows? I have absolutely Who knows? I have absolutely no idea. no idea. no idea. However, I will tell you one thing However, I will tell you one thing However, I will tell you one thing . This is an . This is an issue raised in court. Well issue raised in court. Well , if that person is that dangerous , if that person is that dangerous , if that person is that dangerous , and as I , and as I , and as I always say, when they always say, when they always say, when they raid the so-called house raid the so-called house raid the so-called house . . Why would they leave the gun there? If he is such a dangerous If he is such a dangerous person, why did he person, why did he person, why did he just leave the gun there? yes just leave the gun there? yes just leave the gun there? yes . I left it on the bedside table . I left it on the bedside table . I left it on the bedside table . . . Regardless of what kind of person they Regardless of what kind of person they Regardless of what kind of person they claim he is, if they thought he was claim he is, if they thought he was claim he is, if they thought he was that dangerous, that dangerous, that dangerous, why didn't they take a gun why didn't they take a gun why didn't they take a gun ? Do you understand what I'm saying ? Do you understand what I'm saying ? Do you understand what I'm saying ? ? ? Well, that's because they know he isn't a dangerous person Well, that's because they know he isn't a dangerous person . yes . yes . . . All right. All right. All right. And I will ask once again And I will ask once again And I will ask once again . If he is such a . If he is such a . If he is such a dangerous person, why dangerous person, why did they follow him for all that time? Why didn't they at least evacuate the people in my neighborhood when they came to my house ?

? If everything you are talking about If everything you are talking about If everything you are talking about happened at my house, happened at my house, happened at my house, I would be angry. If that is I would be angry. If that is I would be angry. If that is true, why did you true, why did you let us live in a house where you consider people to be so dangerous? yes let us live in a house where you consider people to be so dangerous? yes . . . And it was filled with bomb equipment And it was filled with bomb equipment and high-performance explosives and high-performance explosives and high-performance explosives . . . We didn't know anything about that part We didn't know anything about that part We didn't know anything about that part . This is really . This is really . This is really ridiculous ridiculous ridiculous . What I'm most curious about is, . What I'm most curious about is, . What I'm most curious about is, if they knew, if they knew, if they knew, why did they wait so long why did they wait so long why did they wait so long ? that's right. If ? that's right. If ? that's right. If they knew what was happening they knew what was happening they knew what was happening and who that person was and who that person was and who that person was , why did they , why did they leave the dangerous weapon inside? Why, leave the dangerous weapon inside? Why, I'll say it again, was I'll say it again, was I'll say it again, was n't it evacuated? Why weren't the neighbors and the people in the dead-end n't it evacuated? Why weren't the neighbors and the people in the dead-end n't it evacuated? Why weren't the neighbors and the people in the dead-end alley evacuated alley evacuated alley evacuated ? Now ? Now ? Now , let me tell you what we know once again , let me tell you what we know once again . On January 6, a . On January 6, a former Capitol Police officer who was working at the Capitol Police Station at the time began former Capitol Police officer who was working at the Capitol Police Station at the time began working at the CIA headquarters in Langley working at the CIA headquarters in Langley . And that . And that . And that person was publicly identified through media reports person was publicly identified through media reports as the pipe bomber of the National Assembly as the pipe bomber of the National Assembly . And . And your your your son was arrested right after that person was named. yes son was arrested right after that person was named. yes son was arrested right after that person was named. yes . I would like to make it . I would like to make it . I would like to make it clear once again that clear once again that clear once again that Sean Kirkoff is Sean Kirkoff is Sean Kirkoff is not the J6 bomber and not the J6 bomber and not the J6 bomber and denies having any connection to the incident denies having any connection to the incident denies having any connection to the incident . What were they doing for the past five years . What were they doing for the past five years . What were they doing for the past five years ?

? Did you tell them when they found out your son was a pipe bomb terrorist? Did you tell them when they found out your son was a pipe bomb terrorist? no. Not at all. no. Not at all. no. Not at all. How How How long do you think they kept watch on their son long do you think they kept watch on their son long do you think they kept watch on their son ? They ? They had a photo of their son in the office. had a photo of their son in the office. Yes, at the office. I had a Yes, at the office. I had a Yes, at the office. I had a photo of my son in the office photo of my son in the office photo of my son in the office . So, . So, . So, I saw a picture of my son in the office I saw a picture of my son in the office I saw a picture of my son in the office . . . Are you talking about the family office? yes Are you talking about the family office? yes Are you talking about the family office? yes . I saw a photo of my son walking . I saw a photo of my son walking . I saw a photo of my son walking , and I , and I , and I also saw a photo of him in another store. The drain is also saw a photo of him in another store. The drain is also saw a photo of him in another store. The drain is clogged. I clogged. I realized that the photo I sent to that store was the most recent one. realized that the photo I sent to that store was the most recent one. So you sent your son to the hardware store to So you sent your son to the hardware store to So you sent your son to the hardware store to fix the drain, didn't you? yes fix the drain, didn't you? yes . . But that was all. But that was all. But that was all. How long did it take until you were arrested How long did it take until you were arrested How long did it take until you were arrested ? ? ? About two weeks. yes About two weeks. yes About two weeks. yes . . . So, they were following the son So, they were following the son So, they were following the son . . . But as far as you know, the But as far as you know, the surveillance on the son started after Shawnee E. surveillance on the son started after Shawnee E. surveillance on the son started after Shawnee E. Kirkhoff was identified as a CIA agent Kirkhoff was identified as a CIA agent Kirkhoff was identified as a CIA agent . As far as . As far as . As far as I know, that is correct. As I I know, that is correct. As I I know, that is correct. As I said before, I am said before, I am said before, I am not arguing for this.

not arguing for this. not arguing for this. Well, what I want to say is that it seems Well, what I want to say is that it seems they were they were n't focusing on your son until the media reports identified a CIA employee as the pipe bomber n't focusing on your son until the media reports identified a CIA employee as the pipe bomber n't focusing on your son until the media reports identified a CIA employee as the pipe bomber . Yes, that is . Yes, that is . Yes, that is correct. correct. correct. And then, honestly speaking, it And then, honestly speaking, it And then, honestly speaking, it might sound cynical, but it might sound cynical, but it seems like he thought, "Oh my god, I need to find the person responsible for this pipe bomb incident." yes seems like he thought, "Oh my god, I need to find the person responsible for this pipe bomb incident." yes . This is . This is . This is because because because the person whose name was publicly mentioned is known to still have the person whose name was publicly mentioned is known to still have the person whose name was publicly mentioned is known to still have security clearance and security clearance and belong to the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency's personal security team belong to the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency's personal security team . . . I didn't know that fact. I didn't know that fact. I didn't know that fact. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. Hmm, I ca Hmm, I ca n't confirm it, but it looks that way. Yes, it looks that way. Yes, it looks that way. So, the situation does looks that way. So, the situation does looks that way. So, the situation does n't look good at all. n't look good at all. In that case, who would you In that case, who would you ask for help? ask for help? ask for help? Besides lawyers, among politicians, " Besides lawyers, among politicians, " Besides lawyers, among politicians, " What is going on?" Did What is going on?" Did What is going on?" Did anyone call and say that? anyone call and say that? anyone call and say that? no. does no. does no. does n't exist. It might sound offensive, but n't exist. It might sound offensive, but what about civil rights organizations? what about civil rights organizations? No, where are they? No, where are they? No, where are they? Where is the sharp turn? I have absolutely no idea Where is the sharp turn? I have absolutely no idea Where is the sharp turn? I have absolutely no idea .

. . I'm a bit mean. Okay I'm a bit mean. Okay I'm a bit mean. Okay , I'll stop. Hmm, , I'll stop. Hmm, , I'll stop. Hmm, but who defended you but who defended you but who defended you ? That is all I want to ask ? That is all I want to ask ? That is all I want to ask . The person who defended your son or . The person who defended your son or . The person who defended your son or family. family. family. no. There's no one but Steve Baker no. There's no one but Steve Baker no. There's no one but Steve Baker . You know. yes . You know. yes . You know. yes . Well, . Well, . Well, of course, our lawyers. of course, our lawyers. My family, too. Hmm, but, overall, looking at the stories of the overall, looking at the stories of the people I am reading and watching people I am reading and watching people I am reading and watching , hmm, , hmm, no. no. You live in Virginia You live in Virginia , and there is a governor, , and there is a governor, , and there is a governor, two senators, and two senators, and two senators, and many representatives. I did many representatives. I did many representatives. I did n't get a single phone call from anyone. Not even a single one n't get a single phone call from anyone. Not even a single one . Hmm, I can't even imagine how big of a burden this will be. uh can't even imagine how big of a burden this will be. uh ? ? ? Both of you sighed. Both of you sighed. Yes, so, it's not just a financial problem Yes, so, it's not just a financial problem ; this is a really ; this is a really ; this is a really heavy burden. It is weighing down my heavy burden. It is weighing down my heavy burden. It is weighing down my entire family and even my relatives entire family and even my relatives entire family and even my relatives . Because . Because . Because we all protect Brian we all protect Brian we all protect Brian . Ask anyone who has had contact with Brian . Ask anyone who has had contact with Brian . Ask anyone who has had contact with Brian — — — family, friends, neighbors, or even family, friends, neighbors, or even family, friends, neighbors, or even someone you just crossed paths with someone you just crossed paths with someone you just crossed paths with . They must have the . They must have the . They must have the wrong idea about Brian wrong idea about Brian wrong idea about Brian . Brian . Brian . Brian has autism, and because we know what kind of person he is, has autism, and because we know what kind of person he is, we are also struggling as we watch him struggle.

He says he's okay and is trying to protect us trying to protect us trying to protect us . . . Hmm... ah, Hmm... ah, Hmm... ah, thinking about it makes me well up with emotion thinking about it makes me well up with emotion thinking about it makes me well up with emotion . . . sorry. It's sorry. It's so hard, both mentally and physically. It's really so hard, both mentally and physically. It's really hard. It’s not just the financial problems; hard. It’s not just the financial problems; worrying about him day and night is also so worrying about him day and night is also so hard. But Brian is hard. But Brian is hard. But Brian is doing well. Call doing well. Call us every night, every night us every night, every night . That's . That's . That's Brian's habit. yes Brian's habit. yes Brian's habit. yes . . . We all We all We all receive contact from him twice a day. receive contact from him twice a day. And well, as you know, he is And well, as you know, he is fine. And as I fine. And as I fine. And as I mentioned, I mentioned, I believe that we should praise those who deserve it believe that we should praise those who deserve it . I asked Brian, "Are . I asked Brian, "Are you okay?" If you ask him, he you okay?" If you ask him, he you okay?" If you ask him, he will answer honestly, and will answer honestly, and will answer honestly, and he is fine. He is in a really he is fine. He is in a really he is fine. He is in a really good, safe place good, safe place good, safe place . And they are taking . And they are taking . And they are taking good care of him good care of him good care of him . The . The . The reason I have to say this is that I hope no one reason I have to say this is that I hope no one reason I have to say this is that I hope no one thinks he is being abused thinks he is being abused . He is being abused . He is being abused . At least that part . At least that part . At least that part was handled properly.

was handled properly. was handled properly. But he is in prison But he is in prison . . . you're right. He is in prison you're right. He is in prison you're right. He is in prison . I have . I have . I have worked in this industry for 31 years worked in this industry for 31 years worked in this industry for 31 years . Have you ever . Have you ever . Have you ever seen anyone who enjoys prison life seen anyone who enjoys prison life seen anyone who enjoys prison life ? There is no one ? There is no one ? There is no one . No one . No one . No one enjoys prison life enjoys prison life . However, I know that the situation could have been much worse . However, I know that the situation could have been much worse . You understand what I mean, right . You understand what I mean, right ? And I… ? And I… I am… I am… I am… I don't want to say that he is being I am… I am… I am… I don't want to say that he is being treated this way treated this way , or that they are doing this , or that they are doing this . I won't say that . I won't say that . Brian will just . Brian will just say he's fine. say he's fine. say he's fine. He is fine. he is… I am He is fine. he is… I am He is fine. he is… I am not being abused. not being abused. not being abused. Well, you have a generous and optimistic Well, you have a generous and optimistic Well, you have a generous and optimistic perspective, but perspective, but perspective, but to most people, the very idea of ​​a son being to most people, the very idea of ​​a son being kidnapped from the street, kidnapped from the street, kidnapped from the street, his mother and grandson being held captive for his mother and grandson being held captive for a year handcuffed on ridiculous and false charges a year handcuffed on ridiculous and false charges , and being publicly slandered without any evidence would , and being publicly slandered without any evidence would sound like something that would only happen in a movie or a drama. It's as if it were something that could never sound like something that would only happen in a movie or a drama. It's as if it were something that could never happen in this country happen in this country happen in this country . Just . Just . Just like a Netflix drama. Well, I like a Netflix drama. Well, I like a Netflix drama. Well, I hope what I said was helpful.

hope what I said was helpful. hope what I said was helpful. And I believe that everyone watching this will And I believe that everyone watching this will think I am not someone who is easily fooled think I am not someone who is easily fooled . Maybe that's the case, but . Maybe that's the case, but . Maybe that's the case, but I don't think so I don't think so I don't think so . I have also spoken . I have also spoken . I have also spoken with many people who are in similar situations with many people who are in similar situations with many people who are in similar situations , and I believe your , and I believe your story is entirely true story is entirely true story is entirely true . I hope this incident becomes . I hope this incident becomes widely known and widely known and widely known and strong pressure is applied to the authorities so that it is strong pressure is applied to the authorities so that it is strong pressure is applied to the authorities so that it is stopped immediately. stopped immediately. stopped immediately. My family would My family would My family would like to say this. Thank you for allowing me to like to say this. Thank you for allowing me to like to say this. Thank you for allowing me to come out and speak on your platform come out and speak on your platform . Thank you very much. . Thank you very much. Actually, I did Actually, I did Actually, I did n't do this. Like other people, I was only n't do this. Like other people, I was only watching half of the news watching half of the news watching half of the news . Just like when you . Just like when you . Just like when you watch television. "I watch television. "I caught the bomber." Something like this caught the bomber." Something like this caught the bomber." Something like this . I wasn't able to . I wasn't able to . I wasn't able to concentrate properly. concentrate properly. concentrate properly. However, as I mentioned at the beginning However, as I mentioned at the beginning However, as I mentioned at the beginning , I received a call from , I received a call from , I received a call from someone I know in the federal government who is skeptical about everything, but also someone I know in the federal government who is skeptical about everything, but also someone I know in the federal government who is skeptical about everything, but also very experienced and very experienced and very experienced and knowledgeable knowledgeable knowledgeable . He said, "This is the . He said, "This is the . He said, "This is the most absurd thing I've ever seen. most absurd thing I've ever seen. " Immediately " Immediately after Steve Baker identified the federal official as the pipe bomber, they arrested and imprisoned an unrelated autistic person.

It is really shocking that something like this can happen. It is really shocking that something like this can happen. Furthermore, the person who informed me of this fact Furthermore, the person who informed me of this fact was a federal official from a relevant agency. was a federal official from a relevant agency. So, I wanted to meet you even So, I wanted to meet you even So, I wanted to meet you even more earnestly more earnestly more earnestly . I am really grateful to that person . I am really grateful to that person . I am really grateful to that person . . Ah, it's the same for us. This is a really terrible thing. That makes no sense. I'm so makes no sense. I'm so angry. I am really angry and angry. I am really angry and angry. I am really angry and disappointed. But I disappointed. But I need to focus on my son. need to focus on my son. need to focus on my son. My position as a mom and my dad's are My position as a mom and my dad's are My position as a mom and my dad's are completely different. As my son completely different. As my son completely different. As my son just said, he will just said, he will just said, he will open his heart to his dad, but he won't do the same for me open his heart to his dad, but he won't do the same for me open his heart to his dad, but he won't do the same for me . It's . It's because they know how I feel and that I will be worried. As you know, that because they know how I feel and that I will be worried. As you know, that child suddenly drifted away from my child suddenly drifted away from my child suddenly drifted away from my side, and side, and side, and I ca I ca I ca n't talk to them comfortably or hug them n't talk to them comfortably or hug them n't talk to them comfortably or hug them . That child does . That child does . That child does n't like being hugged, but they n't like being hugged, but they n't like being hugged, but they know I'm going to hug them know I'm going to hug them know I'm going to hug them . When a child with autism . When a child with autism is placed in an environment filled with all sorts of things like this, their inner self becomes confused and overloaded confused and overloaded confused and overloaded .

. Right? So, when you are placed in such a chaotic situation Right? So, when you are placed in such a chaotic situation , you have to , you have to navigate through internal and external turmoil, but you navigate through internal and external turmoil, but you can't control it. We can only empathize with the can't control it. We can only empathize with the can't control it. We can only empathize with the pain that child is going through pain that child is going through pain that child is going through , and there is nothing , and there is nothing , and there is nothing we can do we can do we can do . Really, . Really, . Really, nothing. nothing. nothing. That is exactly the hardest part That is exactly the hardest part That is exactly the hardest part . It is so painful to know that the child does . It is so painful to know that the child does . It is so painful to know that the child does n't belong there, n't belong there, n't belong there, and that they know that the child does and that they know that the child does and that they know that the child does n't belong there either n't belong there either . And they are dragging this out, but they should n't be. I n't be. I feel so helpless right now feel so helpless right now . So I would like to . So I would like to thank the lawyers, thank the lawyers, thank the lawyers, thank Attorney Steve Baker thank Attorney Steve Baker thank Attorney Steve Baker , and thank everyone who is working hard to share this story , and thank everyone who is working hard to share this story . I sincerely believe that someone . I sincerely believe that someone somewhere is trying to cover up this incident somewhere is trying to cover up this incident . . Why is that? Why is that? Thank you for allowing us to appear like this. It seems like someone is trying to cover up this incident. It is unforgivable to destroy a young person like this . This is . This is especially true for a child like Brian especially true for a child like Brian especially true for a child like Brian . This can . This can . This can happen to anyone happen to anyone happen to anyone .

. . It affects not only people with autism but anyone. To It affects not only people with autism but anyone. To It affects not only people with autism but anyone. To whom? I simply whom? I simply thank God for the ability to fight for my son thank God for the ability to fight for my son . that's . that's . that's right. right. Imagine what it would have been like if we hadn't been able to fight. I had that thought this morning. I had that thought this morning. Everyone believed what the government said, did Everyone believed what the government said, did Everyone believed what the government said, did n't they? n't they? n't they? No one is investigating anything. yes No one is investigating anything. yes No one is investigating anything. yes . . No one is saying anything. So, one of the reasons we are here is that we want people to investigate this for themselves. Let them read it want people to investigate this for themselves. Let them read it . Everything is listed . Everything is listed . Everything is listed . Look at the data presented by the government . Look at the data presented by the government . Everything is there . Everything is there . Everything is there . Check it out for yourself . Check it out for yourself . Check it out for yourself . Let them decide for themselves . Let them decide for themselves . Let them decide for themselves . That is . That is . That is all I want. all I want. all I want. I've already seen it, and it's really I've already seen it, and it's really I've already seen it, and it's really ridiculous. They ridiculous. They ridiculous. They are liars. are liars. are liars. Doing such a thing to an innocent person is Doing such a thing to an innocent person is Doing such a thing to an innocent person is absolutely unforgivable and must never be tolerated absolutely unforgivable and must never be tolerated absolutely unforgivable and must never be tolerated in a civilized and free country in a civilized and free country in a civilized and free country .

. . Absolutely not. yes. Absolutely not. yes. I hope God blesses both of you. I hope God blesses both of you. thank you. thank you. thank you. You too. You too. You too. thank you. May thank you. May thank you. May God bless you.