What Details Were Missing From the Reports About Alyssa?

Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. >> And I'm Britt. >> And I'm Britt. >> And I'm Britt. >> And guess what, Gilbert PD? We're back. >> And guess what, Gilbert PD? We're back. >> And guess what, Gilbert PD? We're back. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] We saw the responses all you crime We saw the responses all you crime We saw the responses all you crime junkies had to our episodes out of junkies had to our episodes out of junkies had to our episodes out of Gilbert, Arizona. Rachel Hansen, Nick Gilbert, Arizona. Rachel Hansen, Nick Gilbert, Arizona. Rachel Hansen, Nick Cordova, Laura Sweetman, and we heard Cordova, Laura Sweetman, and we heard Cordova, Laura Sweetman, and we heard your call to tell more of their cases, your call to tell more of their cases, your call to tell more of their cases, the lesserk known ones, the ones that the lesserk known ones, the ones that the lesserk known ones, the ones that you really need to dig into to get to you really need to dig into to get to you really need to dig into to get to the bottom of. Well, little did you the bottom of. Well, little did you the bottom of. Well, little did you know, [music] we were already waste deep know, [music] we were already waste deep know, [music] we were already waste deep and we're about to fill you in. The case and we're about to fill you in. The case and we're about to fill you in. The case I have for you today is one that has I have for you today is one that has I have for you today is one that has been spun every which way by the police been spun every which way by the police been spun every which way by the police [music] and the media. And that's meant [music] and the media. And that's meant [music] and the media. And that's meant that for over 10 years, one family has that for over 10 years, one family has that for over 10 years, one family has been forced to bury their grief. But been forced to bury their grief. But been forced to bury their grief. But today, we're telling you the real story today, we're telling you the real story today, we're telling you the real story of a woman who was found [music] of a woman who was found [music] of a woman who was found [music] floating naked and face down in the pond floating naked and face down in the pond floating naked and face down in the pond of a local nature preserve [music] in of a local nature preserve [music] in of a local nature preserve [music] in 2016. 2016. 2016. And the headline is, don't believe the And the headline is, don't believe the And the headline is, don't believe the headlines. This is the story of Alyssa headlines. This is the story of Alyssa headlines. This is the story of Alyssa Romanine Olsen.

It's June 10th, 2016 when Alyssa Roman It's June 10th, 2016 when Alyssa Roman Olsson's body is found floating in a Olsson's body is found floating in a Olsson's body is found floating in a pond at the Riparian Preserve in pond at the Riparian Preserve in pond at the Riparian Preserve in Gilbert, Arizona. And almost as quickly Gilbert, Arizona. And almost as quickly Gilbert, Arizona. And almost as quickly as she is removed from the water, as she is removed from the water, as she is removed from the water, authorities start crafting a story. One authorities start crafting a story. One authorities start crafting a story. One about a 30-year-old woman who was about a 30-year-old woman who was about a 30-year-old woman who was depressed, [music] who was suffering due depressed, [music] who was suffering due depressed, [music] who was suffering due to recent health problems, who just to recent health problems, who just to recent health problems, who just separated from her husband of nearly separated from her husband of nearly separated from her husband of nearly four years and moved back in with four years and moved back in with four years and moved back in with [music] her parents. In local news [music] her parents. In local news [music] her parents. In local news articles, the word is never used. But to articles, the word is never used. But to articles, the word is never used. But to Alyssa's family and friends, the Gilbert Alyssa's family and friends, the Gilbert Alyssa's family and friends, the Gilbert community, the insinuation is clear. community, the insinuation is clear. community, the insinuation is clear. Whatever happened to Alyssa, she did it Whatever happened to Alyssa, she did it Whatever happened to Alyssa, she did it to herself. [music] So, no foul play to herself. [music] So, no foul play to herself. [music] So, no foul play involved. No threat to the public. And involved. No threat to the public. And involved. No threat to the public. And therefore, those who heard the story in therefore, those who heard the story in therefore, those who heard the story in the local community felt no need to put the local community felt no need to put the local community felt no need to put pressure on the Gilbert Police pressure on the Gilbert Police pressure on the Gilbert Police Department to [music] Department to [music] Department to [music] rush their death investigation. rush their death investigation. rush their death investigation. In all honesty, when our reporter Nicole In all honesty, when our reporter Nicole In all honesty, when our reporter Nicole started looking into this case, that was started looking into this case, that was started looking into this case, that was her first impression, too. She actually her first impression, too. She actually her first impression, too. She actually called me from Arizona and she was like, called me from Arizona and she was like, called me from Arizona and she was like, "Hey, you know, like based on what I'm "Hey, you know, like based on what I'm "Hey, you know, like based on what I'm seeing, what's out there, like I'm not seeing, what's out there, like I'm not seeing, what's out there, like I'm not really sure that there's a mystery really sure that there's a mystery really sure that there's a mystery here."

here." here." >> And she was like, "So, I know I told you >> And she was like, "So, I know I told you >> And she was like, "So, I know I told you we might cover this, but like I I don't we might cover this, but like I I don't we might cover this, but like I I don't I don't think so." I don't think so." I don't think so." But then we got the case file and that But then we got the case file and that But then we got the case file and that combined with conversations that we've combined with conversations that we've combined with conversations that we've had with Alyssa's family and friends or had with Alyssa's family and friends or had with Alyssa's family and friends or anyone she went to church with and the anyone she went to church with and the anyone she went to church with and the media story began to crumble under its media story began to crumble under its media story began to crumble under its own weight. Now to unravel this threat, own weight. Now to unravel this threat, own weight. Now to unravel this threat, we have to start at the beginning so we have to start at the beginning so we have to start at the beginning so that you can understand who Alyssa was that you can understand who Alyssa was that you can understand who Alyssa was before her body was pulled from that before her body was pulled from that before her body was pulled from that pond and the days, weeks, and months pond and the days, weeks, and months pond and the days, weeks, and months leading up to that moment. So Alyssa was leading up to that moment. So Alyssa was leading up to that moment. So Alyssa was one of 12 children in the Roine one of 12 children in the Roine one of 12 children in the Roine household and her parents only household and her parents only household and her parents only biological daughter. biological daughter. biological daughter. According to her younger sister, According to her younger sister, According to her younger sister, Chelsea, she had a quiet way of Chelsea, she had a quiet way of Chelsea, she had a quiet way of connecting with people. She was innately connecting with people. She was innately connecting with people. She was innately nurturing, regularly babysitting younger nurturing, regularly babysitting younger nurturing, regularly babysitting younger siblings and neighborhood kids, but she siblings and neighborhood kids, but she siblings and neighborhood kids, but she wasn't someone who constantly sought the wasn't someone who constantly sought the wasn't someone who constantly sought the spotlight. Alyssa was just as content spotlight. Alyssa was just as content spotlight. Alyssa was just as content spending time on her own journaling or spending time on her own journaling or spending time on her own journaling or listening to music in her room. Now, listening to music in her room. Now, listening to music in her room. Now, importantly, religion was always a part importantly, religion was always a part importantly, religion was always a part of Alyssa's life. She grew up in a of Alyssa's life. She grew up in a of Alyssa's life. She grew up in a non-denominational Christian family, but non-denominational Christian family, but non-denominational Christian family, but in her late 20s, Alyssa underwent a kind in her late 20s, Alyssa underwent a kind in her late 20s, Alyssa underwent a kind of spiritual awakening, and her faith of spiritual awakening, and her faith of spiritual awakening, and her faith became the guiding force in nearly every became the guiding force in nearly every became the guiding force in nearly every [music] aspect of her life. She joined a [music] aspect of her life. She joined a [music] aspect of her life. She joined a new church and threw herself into a new church and threw herself into a new church and threw herself into a level of religious devotion that even level of religious devotion that even level of religious devotion that even her family hadn't practiced. Like even her family hadn't practiced. Like even her family hadn't practiced. Like even for the two of us who grew up in like a for the two of us who grew up in like a for the two of us who grew up in like a borderline evangelical world, like borderline evangelical world, like borderline evangelical world, like Melissa was next level. She relied on

Melissa was next level. She relied on Melissa was next level. She relied on God to tell her like even what clothes God to tell her like even what clothes God to tell her like even what clothes to wear or what to eat. She didn't like to wear or what to eat. She didn't like to wear or what to eat. She didn't like material things and she rid herself of material things and she rid herself of material things and she rid herself of most of her personal belongings. So her most of her personal belongings. So her most of her personal belongings. So her life became about her religion and life became about her religion and life became about her religion and evangelizing. evangelizing. evangelizing. And it was around this time, which would And it was around this time, which would And it was around this time, which would have been like mid 2012, that Alyssa met have been like mid 2012, that Alyssa met have been like mid 2012, that Alyssa met her future husband Braden at the her future husband Braden at the her future husband Braden at the International House [music] of Prayer. International House [music] of Prayer. International House [music] of Prayer. The two were immediately drawn to each The two were immediately drawn to each The two were immediately drawn to each other. They had similar beliefs and other. They had similar beliefs and other. They had similar beliefs and specifically valued an evangelical form specifically valued an evangelical form specifically valued an evangelical form of Christianity. And their relationship of Christianity. And their relationship of Christianity. And their relationship moved really fast. Like within a couple moved really fast. Like within a couple moved really fast. Like within a couple of months, Chelsea told us that the of months, Chelsea told us that the of months, Chelsea told us that the couple went on a road trip together. And couple went on a road trip together. And couple went on a road trip together. And then they got back and boom, Alyssa told then they got back and boom, Alyssa told then they got back and boom, Alyssa told her family that Jesus wanted her to her family that Jesus wanted her to her family that Jesus wanted her to marry Braden and they had a wedding that marry Braden and they had a wedding that marry Braden and they had a wedding that winter. winter. winter. >> And they were cool with that. >> And they were cool with that. >> And they were cool with that. >> Well, her family wasn't like against it. >> Well, her family wasn't like against it. >> Well, her family wasn't like against it. Like Braden seemed nice enough. Alyssa Like Braden seemed nice enough. Alyssa Like Braden seemed nice enough. Alyssa seemed happy. Well, the truth was they seemed happy. Well, the truth was they seemed happy. Well, the truth was they really didn't even know Braden. I mean, really didn't even know Braden. I mean, really didn't even know Braden. I mean, the siblings that we spoke to said that the siblings that we spoke to said that the siblings that we spoke to said that he was very outgoing and a people person he was very outgoing and a people person he was very outgoing and a people person to like the max, to like the max, to like the max, >> but they didn't really get to spend much >> but they didn't really get to spend much >> but they didn't really get to spend much time with [music] him.

time with [music] him. time with [music] him. >> Partly because the relationship >> Partly because the relationship >> Partly because the relationship progressed so quickly, but also because progressed so quickly, but also because progressed so quickly, but also because after getting married, Alyssa and Braden after getting married, Alyssa and Braden after getting married, Alyssa and Braden began to live a nomadic life. They were began to live a nomadic life. They were began to live a nomadic life. They were traveling around the country together to traveling around the country together to traveling around the country together to preach and minister to anyone who would preach and minister to anyone who would preach and minister to anyone who would listen. listen. listen. >> And did they work? >> And did they work? >> And did they work? >> They didn't. Right. Like, so they didn't >> They didn't. Right. Like, so they didn't >> They didn't. Right. Like, so they didn't need much. And for around three years, need much. And for around three years, need much. And for around three years, the two of them kind of just couch the two of them kind of just couch the two of them kind of just couch surfed or crashed with friends. And surfed or crashed with friends. And surfed or crashed with friends. And Alyssa's parents would help them out Alyssa's parents would help them out Alyssa's parents would help them out sometimes financially. And by all sometimes financially. And by all sometimes financially. And by all accounts, they were attached at the hip. accounts, they were attached at the hip. accounts, they were attached at the hip. I mean, like they shared social media I mean, like they shared social media I mean, like they shared social media accounts, they shared a cell [music] accounts, they shared a cell [music] accounts, they shared a cell [music] phone, which they rarely even answered. phone, which they rarely even answered. phone, which they rarely even answered. And speaking to a lot of people who knew And speaking to a lot of people who knew And speaking to a lot of people who knew Alyssa, it seems like she kind of Alyssa, it seems like she kind of Alyssa, it seems like she kind of distanced herself [music] from the rest distanced herself [music] from the rest distanced herself [music] from the rest of her relationships. like her whole of her relationships. like her whole of her relationships. like her whole world became about her husband and her world became about her husband and her world became about her husband and her [music] faith which kept becoming more [music] faith which kept becoming more [music] faith which kept becoming more and more radical and they likely would and more radical and they likely would and more radical and they likely would have continued down this path. But have continued down this path. But have continued down this path. But something happened that altered [music] something happened that altered [music] something happened that altered [music] it around January of 2016. it around January of 2016. it around January of 2016. That's when Alyssa suffered an ectopic That's when Alyssa suffered an ectopic That's when Alyssa suffered an ectopic pregnancy and had to be hospitalized pregnancy and had to be hospitalized pregnancy and had to be hospitalized because of significant blood loss. That because of significant blood loss. That because of significant blood loss. That medical event forced her to move back to medical event forced her to move back to medical event forced her to move back to Gilbert to live with her parents so she Gilbert to live with her parents so she Gilbert to live with her parents so she could have like a home base to rest and could have like a home base to rest and could have like a home base to rest and to recover.

to recover. to recover. >> Braden had moved back to Arizona with >> Braden had moved back to Arizona with >> Braden had moved back to Arizona with her initially. But two months in they her initially. But two months in they her initially. But two months in they decided to separate decided to separate decided to separate >> because of her pregnancy. >> because of her pregnancy. >> because of her pregnancy. >> No, not because of her pregnancy. >> No, not because of her pregnancy. >> No, not because of her pregnancy. Actually, the very thing that brought Actually, the very thing that brought Actually, the very thing that brought them together is what made them them together is what made them them together is what made them separate. uh their intense commitment to separate. uh their intense commitment to separate. uh their intense commitment to their faith that became the primary their faith that became the primary their faith that became the primary reason like or the thing that drove them reason like or the thing that drove them reason like or the thing that drove them apart like as much as he wanted to. apart like as much as he wanted to. apart like as much as he wanted to. Braden said that he struggled to live up Braden said that he struggled to live up Braden said that he struggled to live up to the strict religious standards which to the strict religious standards which to the strict religious standards which Alyssa held so dear. Alyssa held so dear. Alyssa held so dear. >> He said that he couldn't follow the >> He said that he couldn't follow the >> He said that he couldn't follow the Lord's ways as closely as elicited. Lord's ways as closely as elicited. Lord's ways as closely as elicited. >> Like what does that mean? like how >> Like what does that mean? like how >> Like what does that mean? like how >> for him it was like watching porn, >> for him it was like watching porn, >> for him it was like watching porn, thinking about other women, wanting to thinking about other women, wanting to thinking about other women, wanting to drink and smoke, wanting material things drink and smoke, wanting material things drink and smoke, wanting material things like a house and a job so that he could like a house and a job so that he could like a house and a job so that he could pay for said house. So, the pair decided pay for said house. So, the pair decided pay for said house. So, the pair decided to separate and Braden moved back to to separate and Braden moved back to to separate and Braden moved back to Washington to live with his mom. Now, Washington to live with his mom. Now, Washington to live with his mom. Now, this is all around April of 2016. this is all around April of 2016. this is all around April of 2016. [music] [music] [music] Now, without Braden, Alyssa's life Now, without Braden, Alyssa's life Now, without Braden, Alyssa's life honestly didn't change much. She was a honestly didn't change much. She was a honestly didn't change much. She was a woman of routine and she didn't stray woman of routine and she didn't stray woman of routine and she didn't stray from it. According to her parents, every from it. According to her parents, every from it. According to her parents, every morning bright and early, she woke up, morning bright and early, she woke up, morning bright and early, she woke up, had her coffee, drove to the public had her coffee, drove to the public had her coffee, drove to the public library in her dad's car, walked through library in her dad's car, walked through library in her dad's car, walked through this nature preserve area right behind this nature preserve area right behind this nature preserve area right behind the library called the Riparian, [music] the library called the Riparian, [music] the library called the Riparian, [music] and she would find a spot to journal and and she would find a spot to journal and and she would find a spot to journal and read her Bible. She would be there a read her Bible. She would be there a read her Bible. She would be there a while, like from like 700 a.m. to noon while, like from like 700 a.m. to noon while, like from like 700 a.m. to noon every single day like clockwork,

every single day like clockwork, every single day like clockwork, except [music] on June 9th, 2016. except [music] on June 9th, 2016. except [music] on June 9th, 2016. On this day, Alyssa leaves for the On this day, Alyssa leaves for the On this day, Alyssa leaves for the Riparian in the morning, but then the Riparian in the morning, but then the Riparian in the morning, but then the clock stops. [music] She never came clock stops. [music] She never came clock stops. [music] She never came home, not at noon or by 7, which is when home, not at noon or by 7, which is when home, not at noon or by 7, which is when her parents start to get worried. I her parents start to get worried. I her parents start to get worried. I mean, they try calling her, but it's mean, they try calling her, but it's mean, they try calling her, but it's going straight to voicemail. And we know going straight to voicemail. And we know going straight to voicemail. And we know that Alyssa is pretty unplugged. So, that Alyssa is pretty unplugged. So, that Alyssa is pretty unplugged. So, like, you know, this isn't necessarily like, you know, this isn't necessarily like, you know, this isn't necessarily weird immediately. But when 1000 p.m. weird immediately. But when 1000 p.m. weird immediately. But when 1000 p.m. rolls around and there is still no word rolls around and there is still no word rolls around and there is still no word from her, Alyssa's parents, Barbara and from her, Alyssa's parents, Barbara and from her, Alyssa's parents, Barbara and Ed, they decide to drive over to the Ed, they decide to drive over to the Ed, they decide to drive over to the library themselves. [music] library themselves. [music] library themselves. [music] And right away, they find Ed's blue 2002 And right away, they find Ed's blue 2002 And right away, they find Ed's blue 2002 Dodge Caravan parked [music] in the lot. Dodge Caravan parked [music] in the lot. Dodge Caravan parked [music] in the lot. It's locked, so Ed opens it up with his It's locked, so Ed opens it up with his It's locked, so Ed opens it up with his spare key, but nothing is a miss, which spare key, but nothing is a miss, which spare key, but nothing is a miss, which does really nothing to calm them. In does really nothing to calm them. In does really nothing to calm them. In fact, when they call another daughter of fact, when they call another daughter of fact, when they call another daughter of theirs, Michelle, who [music] comes theirs, Michelle, who [music] comes theirs, Michelle, who [music] comes rushing over in her pajamas, her first rushing over in her pajamas, her first rushing over in her pajamas, her first thought is that Alyssa must have been thought is that Alyssa must have been thought is that Alyssa must have been kidnapped. So, not knowing what else to kidnapped. So, not knowing what else to kidnapped. So, not knowing what else to do, her and her parents just start do, her and her parents just start do, her and her parents just start running through the riparian in the running through the riparian in the running through the riparian in the dark, screaming Alyssa's name, dark, screaming Alyssa's name, dark, screaming Alyssa's name, continuing to call the phone that she continuing to call the phone that she continuing to call the phone that she isn't answering.

isn't answering. isn't answering. >> And how big is this area? Like, this >> And how big is this area? Like, this >> And how big is this area? Like, this park park park >> huge. So, it's 110 acres with seven >> huge. So, it's 110 acres with seven >> huge. So, it's 110 acres with seven different ponds along like hiking trails different ponds along like hiking trails different ponds along like hiking trails and a fishing lake. So, Alyssa's family and a fishing lake. So, Alyssa's family and a fishing lake. So, Alyssa's family quickly realizes that they might be in quickly realizes that they might be in quickly realizes that they might be in over their heads. And that's when Ed over their heads. And that's when Ed over their heads. And that's when Ed calls the police. It's Gilbert PD who calls the police. It's Gilbert PD who calls the police. It's Gilbert PD who takes the report. And according to takes the report. And according to takes the report. And according to Michelle, they sort of like cordon off Michelle, they sort of like cordon off Michelle, they sort of like cordon off some entrances of the park, but they some entrances of the park, but they some entrances of the park, but they don't really start searching right away. don't really start searching right away. don't really start searching right away. I don't know if it's cuz it's too dark I don't know if it's cuz it's too dark I don't know if it's cuz it's too dark or what the reasoning is, but it isn't or what the reasoning is, but it isn't or what the reasoning is, but it isn't until the next day that a real search until the next day that a real search until the next day that a real search ensues. They contact hospitals, ensues. They contact hospitals, ensues. They contact hospitals, churches, jails. They search her room at churches, jails. They search her room at churches, jails. They search her room at home to see if maybe she left anything home to see if maybe she left anything home to see if maybe she left anything behind, saying where she might be going. behind, saying where she might be going. behind, saying where she might be going. She didn't, obviously. And when they She didn't, obviously. And when they She didn't, obviously. And when they ping her phone via T-Mobile, they see ping her phone via T-Mobile, they see ping her phone via T-Mobile, they see that it's been turned off since 10:00 that it's been turned off since 10:00 that it's been turned off since 10:00 a.m. the day of her disappearance, which a.m. the day of her disappearance, which a.m. the day of her disappearance, which means they can't get a location or means they can't get a location or means they can't get a location or apparently even like a location history. apparently even like a location history. apparently even like a location history. Well, and now they're a full day behind, Well, and now they're a full day behind, Well, and now they're a full day behind, >> right? So, their best bet is just to put >> right? So, their best bet is just to put >> right? So, their best bet is just to put all their resources into searching the all their resources into searching the all their resources into searching the preserve and the area around the preserve and the area around the preserve and the area around the library. Now, the public library has a library. Now, the public library has a library. Now, the public library has a surveillance camera facing the south surveillance camera facing the south surveillance camera facing the south parking lot where Alyssa parked her parking lot where Alyssa parked her parking lot where Alyssa parked her dad's car, but according to the police dad's car, but according to the police dad's car, but according to the police file, the specific spot that Alyssa file, the specific spot that Alyssa file, the specific spot that Alyssa parked in is, of course, out of view.

parked in is, of course, out of view. parked in is, of course, out of view. And the park itself has no cameras. So And the park itself has no cameras. So And the park itself has no cameras. So investigators have to rely on their own investigators have to rely on their own investigators have to rely on their own searches of the area to try and searches of the area to try and searches of the area to try and understand how Alyssa's last movements understand how Alyssa's last movements understand how Alyssa's last movements may have played out. They bring in may have played out. They bring in may have played out. They bring in tracking dogs. They bring in helicopters tracking dogs. They bring in helicopters tracking dogs. They bring in helicopters with thermal imaging. And [music] at with thermal imaging. And [music] at with thermal imaging. And [music] at 2:42 p.m., the Maricopa County Sheriff's 2:42 p.m., the Maricopa County Sheriff's 2:42 p.m., the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office air unit finds her. And her body Office air unit finds her. And her body Office air unit finds her. And her body is sort of hidden by brush. But from an is sort of hidden by brush. But from an is sort of hidden by brush. But from an aerial view, there is no mistaking what aerial view, there is no mistaking what aerial view, there is no mistaking what they're looking at. It is a nude body they're looking at. It is a nude body they're looking at. It is a nude body floating face down in one of the ponds. floating face down in one of the ponds. floating face down in one of the ponds. And actually, while we know Alyssa was And actually, while we know Alyssa was And actually, while we know Alyssa was found in a pond, I'm honestly more found in a pond, I'm honestly more found in a pond, I'm honestly more inclined to call the exact spot that she inclined to call the exact spot that she inclined to call the exact spot that she was in like a puddle. Like, she must be was in like a puddle. Like, she must be was in like a puddle. Like, she must be on the water's edge or something because on the water's edge or something because on the water's edge or something because according to the file, the water next to according to the file, the water next to according to the file, the water next to her left ankle was 5.5 in deep. And next her left ankle was 5.5 in deep. And next her left ankle was 5.5 in deep. And next to her right ankle, it wasn't even like to her right ankle, it wasn't even like to her right ankle, it wasn't even like an inch. an inch. an inch. >> She's naked, though. >> She's naked, though. >> She's naked, though. >> Yeah. And her clothing, by the way, like >> Yeah. And her clothing, by the way, like >> Yeah. And her clothing, by the way, like all of her belongings, actually, like all of her belongings, actually, like all of her belongings, actually, like nothing is around her. It's not there.

nothing is around her. It's not there. nothing is around her. It's not there. It's not in her car, nothing. So, while It's not in her car, nothing. So, while It's not in her car, nothing. So, while they work to remove Alyssa's body from they work to remove Alyssa's body from they work to remove Alyssa's body from the preserve and send it for autopsy, the preserve and send it for autopsy, the preserve and send it for autopsy, they go looking for her things, right? they go looking for her things, right? they go looking for her things, right? Like, where are her clothes? Not even Like, where are her clothes? Not even Like, where are her clothes? Not even just her clothes. Where's her journal? just her clothes. Where's her journal? just her clothes. Where's her journal? Where's her cell phone? Where are her Where's her cell phone? Where are her Where's her cell phone? Where are her keys? keys? keys? >> None of those things are ever found. >> None of those things are ever found. >> None of those things are ever found. What is found in and around this area What is found in and around this area What is found in and around this area are other clothes. Some in the dumpster are other clothes. Some in the dumpster are other clothes. Some in the dumpster of the library parking lot, some under of the library parking lot, some under of the library parking lot, some under nearby bushes. [music] There's one sock nearby bushes. [music] There's one sock nearby bushes. [music] There's one sock that they find in the pond. But they end that they find in the pond. But they end that they find in the pond. But they end up DNA testing all of this and none of up DNA testing all of this and none of up DNA testing all of this and none of it is Alyssa's. [music] it is Alyssa's. [music] it is Alyssa's. [music] And interestingly, they also find a full And interestingly, they also find a full And interestingly, they also find a full latex glove on a dirt path. And there's latex glove on a dirt path. And there's latex glove on a dirt path. And there's something else that seems to suggest something else that seems to suggest something else that seems to suggest Alyssa wasn't alone out there when she Alyssa wasn't alone out there when she Alyssa wasn't alone out there when she died. In the mud, there is this set of died. In the mud, there is this set of died. In the mud, there is this set of footprints and a set of prints that show footprints and a set of prints that show footprints and a set of prints that show a shoe tread. So now the question is, if a shoe tread. So now the question is, if a shoe tread. So now the question is, if someone else was out there, who someone else was out there, who someone else was out there, who >> and are they still out there?

>> and are they still out there? >> and are they still out there? >> Right? Gilbert PD has an important >> Right? Gilbert PD has an important >> Right? Gilbert PD has an important opportunity here to use the media and opportunity here to use the media and opportunity here to use the media and the Gilbert community to their the Gilbert community to their the Gilbert community to their advantage, like to put out a press advantage, like to put out a press advantage, like to put out a press release to canvas for people who had release to canvas for people who had release to canvas for people who had been in or near the park, anyone who had been in or near the park, anyone who had been in or near the park, anyone who had seen or heard anything. seen or heard anything. seen or heard anything. >> But you've probably figured out by now >> But you've probably figured out by now >> But you've probably figured out by now that is not what is about to happen. When Gilbert PD first makes any kind of When Gilbert PD first makes any kind of statement to the local community via the statement to the local community via the statement to the local community via the press, they're not pushing out critical press, they're not pushing out critical press, they're not pushing out critical information or warning the public of a information or warning the public of a information or warning the public of a possible threat. Rather, the story is possible threat. Rather, the story is possible threat. Rather, the story is spun up for the media, twisted in such a spun up for the media, twisted in such a spun up for the media, twisted in such a way to assure the Gilbert community that way to assure the Gilbert community that way to assure the Gilbert community that there is nothing to worry about at all. there is nothing to worry about at all. there is nothing to worry about at all. >> I mean, if we aren't going to call this >> I mean, if we aren't going to call this >> I mean, if we aren't going to call this foul play, what are we doing here? I foul play, what are we doing here? I foul play, what are we doing here? I think that they're leaning heavily on think that they're leaning heavily on think that they're leaning heavily on the autopsy report to justify this the autopsy report to justify this the autopsy report to justify this [music] stance, which when that's done [music] stance, which when that's done [music] stance, which when that's done says that Alyssa's cause and manner of says that Alyssa's cause and manner of says that Alyssa's cause and manner of death are both undetermined. [music] death are both undetermined. [music] death are both undetermined. [music] In her report, the medical examiner In her report, the medical examiner In her report, the medical examiner writes, "Therefore, because it is writes, "Therefore, because it is writes, "Therefore, because it is unknown how or exactly when the deedant unknown how or exactly when the deedant unknown how or exactly when the deedant came to be face down within the water, came to be face down within the water, came to be face down within the water, and because there are no gross anatomic and because there are no gross anatomic and because there are no gross anatomic abnormalities potentially causing or abnormalities potentially causing or abnormalities potentially causing or related to death, it is my opinion that related to death, it is my opinion that related to death, it is my opinion that Alyssa Nicole Olsen, a 30-year-old Alyssa Nicole Olsen, a 30-year-old Alyssa Nicole Olsen, a 30-year-old Caucasian female, died as a result of

Caucasian female, died as a result of Caucasian female, died as a result of undetermined." >> Wait, was there no water in her lungs? >> Wait, was there no water in her lungs? No, none. No, none. No, none. >> Are we supposed to accept that people in >> Are we supposed to accept that people in >> Are we supposed to accept that people in Gilbert just keep dying without Gilbert just keep dying without Gilbert just keep dying without explanation? explanation? explanation? >> I know. Now I get why the Emmy might >> I know. Now I get why the Emmy might >> I know. Now I get why the Emmy might have ruled undetermined. Like her have ruled undetermined. Like her have ruled undetermined. Like her toxicology was totally clean. No toxicology was totally clean. No toxicology was totally clean. No surprise there. And there were no lethal surprise there. And there were no lethal surprise there. And there were no lethal signs of trauma. just some like signs of trauma. just some like signs of trauma. just some like post-mortem abrasions along her right post-mortem abrasions along her right post-mortem abrasions along her right side, which can be caused by a number of side, which can be caused by a number of side, which can be caused by a number of like inconsequential things like contact like inconsequential things like contact like inconsequential things like contact with debris in the water or animal with debris in the water or animal with debris in the water or animal activity, activity, activity, >> but also like intentional postmortem >> but also like intentional postmortem >> but also like intentional postmortem actions like moving or dragging a body, actions like moving or dragging a body, actions like moving or dragging a body, >> right? And real quick, interesting >> right? And real quick, interesting >> right? And real quick, interesting tidbit. There is a note about mud being tidbit. There is a note about mud being tidbit. There is a note about mud being on Alyssa's hands and a significant on Alyssa's hands and a significant on Alyssa's hands and a significant amount of it being like caked onto her amount of it being like caked onto her amount of it being like caked onto her toes and the balls of her feet, toes and the balls of her feet, toes and the balls of her feet, >> which kind of tracks cuz there's like >> which kind of tracks cuz there's like >> which kind of tracks cuz there's like footprints. Right. footprints. Right. footprints. Right. >> Right. And the shoe prints. But I don't >> Right. And the shoe prints. But I don't >> Right. And the shoe prints. But I don't know if they're ever able to determine know if they're ever able to determine know if they're ever able to determine if those are her prints or not. Because if those are her prints or not. Because if those are her prints or not. Because if they did any comparison, it might be if they did any comparison, it might be if they did any comparison, it might be in one of the heavily redacted areas of in one of the heavily redacted areas of in one of the heavily redacted areas of the case file, like the section of her the case file, like the section of her the case file, like the section of her autopsy labeled evidence.

autopsy labeled evidence. autopsy labeled evidence. >> Oh, the other heavily redacted area is >> Oh, the other heavily redacted area is >> Oh, the other heavily redacted area is where they talk about the sexual assault where they talk about the sexual assault where they talk about the sexual assault kit that they did at the autopsy. kit that they did at the autopsy. kit that they did at the autopsy. In the file, it says [music] the DNA In the file, it says [music] the DNA In the file, it says [music] the DNA profile from it matched Alyssa's profile from it matched Alyssa's profile from it matched Alyssa's profile. So, like no entry was made into profile. So, like no entry was made into profile. So, like no entry was made into Cotus. But then right after that there Cotus. But then right after that there Cotus. But then right after that there is a line that says scientific lab is a line that says scientific lab is a line that says scientific lab report continued. Great. Would love to report continued. Great. Would love to report continued. Great. Would love to read it. read it. read it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Except the text is all redacted. >> Except the text is all redacted. >> Except the text is all redacted. >> Which I mean to me if all the DNA >> Which I mean to me if all the DNA >> Which I mean to me if all the DNA matched Alyssa, matched Alyssa, matched Alyssa, >> why >> why >> why >> why would you need to redact anything? >> why would you need to redact anything? >> why would you need to redact anything? >> Why? And what's even more interesting is >> Why? And what's even more interesting is >> Why? And what's even more interesting is that her sister Chelsea told us that the that her sister Chelsea told us that the that her sister Chelsea told us that the family was told by police that they family was told by police that they family was told by police that they would never know on the question of would never know on the question of would never know on the question of sexual assault because Alyssa's body was sexual assault because Alyssa's body was sexual assault because Alyssa's body was found in water which would have washed found in water which would have washed found in water which would have washed away any evidence. away any evidence. away any evidence. >> But the water wasn't it just by her >> But the water wasn't it just by her >> But the water wasn't it just by her ankles. ankles. ankles. >> I mean I guess that's what it was like >> I mean I guess that's what it was like >> I mean I guess that's what it was like where she was found. But I mean we don't where she was found. But I mean we don't where she was found. But I mean we don't know if her body was moved around at all know if her body was moved around at all know if her body was moved around at all in the pond. Plus like if it did right in the pond. Plus like if it did right in the pond. Plus like if it did right if if it was like completely washed away if if it was like completely washed away if if it was like completely washed away evidence. She's in the water for so evidence. She's in the water for so evidence. She's in the water for so long. What are we What are we redacting?

long. What are we What are we redacting? long. What are we What are we redacting? >> I say we're still redacting. >> I say we're still redacting. >> I say we're still redacting. >> What's going on? [laughter] >> What's going on? [laughter] >> What's going on? [laughter] >> And you know, while we're on this, like >> And you know, while we're on this, like >> And you know, while we're on this, like I can also see the fingernail clippings. I can also see the fingernail clippings. I can also see the fingernail clippings. Hers were tested. Hers were tested. Hers were tested. >> Those results are redacted, too. So, >> Those results are redacted, too. So, >> Those results are redacted, too. So, with all of this, what's coming into with all of this, what's coming into with all of this, what's coming into view is the possibility that Alyssa view is the possibility that Alyssa view is the possibility that Alyssa might have been met with foul play in might have been met with foul play in might have been met with foul play in the park. And from the file, I know that the park. And from the file, I know that the park. And from the file, I know that Gilbert PD saw that, too. In it, Gilbert PD saw that, too. In it, Gilbert PD saw that, too. In it, investigators routinely call the area investigators routinely call the area investigators routinely call the area where Alyssa was found a crime scene. where Alyssa was found a crime scene. where Alyssa was found a crime scene. They write that they believe, quote, They write that they believe, quote, They write that they believe, quote, "Someone did cause Alyssa's death, and "Someone did cause Alyssa's death, and "Someone did cause Alyssa's death, and that quote, there were things associated that quote, there were things associated that quote, there were things associated with the way Alyssa was found that may with the way Alyssa was found that may with the way Alyssa was found that may indicate another person was involved." indicate another person was involved." indicate another person was involved." >> So, why won't they tell the public that? >> So, why won't they tell the public that? >> So, why won't they tell the public that? >> That's what I don't know. Like, I get >> That's what I don't know. Like, I get >> That's what I don't know. Like, I get not giving away case details broadly, not giving away case details broadly, not giving away case details broadly, and it's not like they're and it's not like they're and it's not like they're >> making things up, right? They're not >> making things up, right? They're not >> making things up, right? They're not straight up lying to the public, but straight up lying to the public, but straight up lying to the public, but it's more like they're really not giving it's more like they're really not giving it's more like they're really not giving any proper context. What is getting any proper context. What is getting any proper context. What is getting published are just stories where all published are just stories where all published are just stories where all anyone can talk about is Alyssa's anyone can talk about is Alyssa's anyone can talk about is Alyssa's depression, her quote unquote health depression, her quote unquote health depression, her quote unquote health problems, and her recent move back home.

problems, and her recent move back home. problems, and her recent move back home. And all of that when they read it feels And all of that when they read it feels And all of that when they read it feels like a gut punch to Alyssa's family like a gut punch to Alyssa's family like a gut punch to Alyssa's family [music] who are already in a state of [music] who are already in a state of [music] who are already in a state of shock and confusion because like one shock and confusion because like one shock and confusion because like one minute they do they have police asking minute they do they have police asking minute they do they have police asking them for a list of people that they like them for a list of people that they like them for a list of people that they like think they should be looking into and think they should be looking into and think they should be looking into and then the next minute they're reading then the next minute they're reading then the next minute they're reading about her death in the paper like it's a about her death in the paper like it's a about her death in the paper like it's a suicide. suicide. suicide. >> Were reporters getting suicide from >> Were reporters getting suicide from >> Were reporters getting suicide from police? police? police? >> That's what I'm saying. They were not >> That's what I'm saying. They were not >> That's what I'm saying. They were not getting the word suicide. No. like the getting the word suicide. No. like the getting the word suicide. No. like the police can't say that. That would be a police can't say that. That would be a police can't say that. That would be a straightup lie. It is undetermined. straightup lie. It is undetermined. straightup lie. It is undetermined. >> But after reading the news, Michelle >> But after reading the news, Michelle >> But after reading the news, Michelle starts to like put something together. starts to like put something together. starts to like put something together. And she remembers that in her family's And she remembers that in her family's And she remembers that in her family's initial conversation with police, it initial conversation with police, it initial conversation with police, it felt like they were trying to steer the felt like they were trying to steer the felt like they were trying to steer the conversation in a specific direction, conversation in a specific direction, conversation in a specific direction, asking if Alyssa was depressed, like was asking if Alyssa was depressed, like was asking if Alyssa was depressed, like was she sad? Did she eat enough? And if you she sad? Did she eat enough? And if you she sad? Did she eat enough? And if you read the police reports, you'll see that read the police reports, you'll see that read the police reports, you'll see that they spend an outsized amount of time they spend an outsized amount of time they spend an outsized amount of time explaining that Alyssa had been keeping explaining that Alyssa had been keeping explaining that Alyssa had been keeping to herself. She'd barely eaten in the to herself. She'd barely eaten in the to herself. She'd barely eaten in the last few days and she was depressed. But last few days and she was depressed. But last few days and she was depressed. But what they neglected to include was that what they neglected to include was that what they neglected to include was that Alyssa was naturally an introverted Alyssa was naturally an introverted Alyssa was naturally an introverted person, that she never had a voracious person, that she never had a voracious person, that she never had a voracious appetite, and she had recently not been appetite, and she had recently not been appetite, and she had recently not been as hungry because she was recovering as hungry because she was recovering as hungry because she was recovering from her ectopic pregnancy. Yeah. which from her ectopic pregnancy. Yeah. which from her ectopic pregnancy. Yeah. which Braden said she had prayed over and made Braden said she had prayed over and made Braden said she had prayed over and made peace with. [music] peace with. [music] peace with. [music] And more than anything, core to Alyssa's And more than anything, core to Alyssa's And more than anything, core to Alyssa's religious belief was that suicide was

religious belief was that suicide was religious belief was that suicide was wrong. Forget the fact that her family, wrong. Forget the fact that her family, wrong. Forget the fact that her family, who had just seen her, said that she was who had just seen her, said that she was who had just seen her, said that she was happy and not suicidal, never even happy and not suicidal, never even happy and not suicidal, never even talked about suicide. All of that is talked about suicide. All of that is talked about suicide. All of that is true, but she had talked about others true, but she had talked about others true, but she had talked about others who committed the act, and she said that who committed the act, and she said that who committed the act, and she said that those weren't true believers. One of those weren't true believers. One of those weren't true believers. One of Alyssa's good friends, Blake, told us Alyssa's good friends, Blake, told us Alyssa's good friends, Blake, told us that there was quote literally almost a that there was quote literally almost a that there was quote literally almost a 0% chance that Alyssa would take her own 0% chance that Alyssa would take her own 0% chance that Alyssa would take her own life, just like based on her religious life, just like based on her religious life, just like based on her religious values. [music] values. [music] values. [music] He said it would go against her whole He said it would go against her whole He said it would go against her whole self. And none of that that I just told self. And none of that that I just told self. And none of that that I just told you made it into the articles about you made it into the articles about you made it into the articles about Alyssa. Alyssa. Alyssa. >> Did no reporters reach out to Alyssa's >> Did no reporters reach out to Alyssa's >> Did no reporters reach out to Alyssa's family themselves to get any of this family themselves to get any of this family themselves to get any of this context? context? context? >> It's worse than that. The media did try >> It's worse than that. The media did try >> It's worse than that. The media did try to contact the Romans early on. The to contact the Romans early on. The to contact the Romans early on. The family turned them away, not because family turned them away, not because family turned them away, not because they didn't want to speak, though. they didn't want to speak, though. they didn't want to speak, though. According to Chelsea, investigators According to Chelsea, investigators According to Chelsea, investigators specifically told them not to talk to specifically told them not to talk to specifically told them not to talk to anyone about anything, especially anyone about anything, especially anyone about anything, especially [music] the media. They say that [music] the media. They say that [music] the media. They say that everything about the case is everything about the case is everything about the case is confidential and if anyone finds confidential and if anyone finds confidential and if anyone finds anything out, it could compromise the anything out, it could compromise the anything out, it could compromise the investigation. [music] And so even investigation. [music] And so even investigation. [music] And so even feeling like knocked down, confused, at feeling like knocked down, confused, at feeling like knocked down, confused, at this point, the Romines are still this point, the Romines are still this point, the Romines are still putting their full trust in police, even putting their full trust in police, even putting their full trust in police, even as they like are reading the stuff that as they like are reading the stuff that as they like are reading the stuff that is so blatantly like not their view of is so blatantly like not their view of is so blatantly like not their view of their Alyssa. And so they do as they're their Alyssa. And so they do as they're their Alyssa. And so they do as they're told. They don't go to the media and told. They don't go to the media and told. They don't go to the media and they don't try to correct the [music]

they don't try to correct the [music] they don't try to correct the [music] reports that they feel are painting a reports that they feel are painting a reports that they feel are painting a false and extremely hurtful picture. false and extremely hurtful picture. false and extremely hurtful picture. They sit back and hope that this is all They sit back and hope that this is all They sit back and hope that this is all part of a bigger [music] plan. But the part of a bigger [music] plan. But the part of a bigger [music] plan. But the bigger plan takes them by complete shock bigger plan takes them by complete shock bigger plan takes them by complete shock cuz police don't seem to focus heavily cuz police don't seem to focus heavily cuz police don't seem to focus heavily on any of the people that the Romine on any of the people that the Romine on any of the people that the Romine family told them to look into. In fact, family told them to look into. In fact, family told them to look into. In fact, investigators start looking at someone investigators start looking at someone investigators start looking at someone that most of the family wasn't that most of the family wasn't that most of the family wasn't suspicious of for no other reason, it suspicious of for no other reason, it suspicious of for no other reason, it seems, than the fact that he was seems, than the fact that he was seems, than the fact that he was Alyssa's husband of nearly four years. Alyssa's husband of nearly four years. Alyssa's husband of nearly four years. And Braden and Alyssa had recently And Braden and Alyssa had recently And Braden and Alyssa had recently decided to separate. And you always look decided to separate. And you always look decided to separate. And you always look at the husband first, right? at the husband first, right? at the husband first, right? Before we get into Braden's interviews Before we get into Braden's interviews Before we get into Braden's interviews with police, I want to go back to the with police, I want to go back to the with police, I want to go back to the day that Alyssa was reported missing, day that Alyssa was reported missing, day that Alyssa was reported missing, which is June 9th. Both the police and which is June 9th. Both the police and which is June 9th. Both the police and Alyssa's mom, Barbara, [music] tried Alyssa's mom, Barbara, [music] tried Alyssa's mom, Barbara, [music] tried calling Braden to alert him. Both calls calling Braden to alert him. Both calls calling Braden to alert him. Both calls went to voicemail. Then her dad, Ed, went to voicemail. Then her dad, Ed, went to voicemail. Then her dad, Ed, looked up Alyssa's cell phone activity looked up Alyssa's cell phone activity looked up Alyssa's cell phone activity on their shared account and found that on their shared account and found that on their shared account and found that Alyssa and Braden had spoken over the Alyssa and Braden had spoken over the Alyssa and Braden had spoken over the phone the night before she disappeared phone the night before she disappeared phone the night before she disappeared for around two hours, which just made for around two hours, which just made for around two hours, which just made him want to reach Braden even more. So him want to reach Braden even more. So him want to reach Braden even more. So Ed decided to call the family that Ed decided to call the family that Ed decided to call the family that Braden was staying with Braden was staying with Braden was staying with >> the family like not his. He wasn't >> the family like not his. He wasn't >> the family like not his. He wasn't Wasn't he living with his mom? Well, so Wasn't he living with his mom? Well, so Wasn't he living with his mom? Well, so according to the police report, he was according to the police report, he was according to the police report, he was when he first moved back to Washington, when he first moved back to Washington, when he first moved back to Washington, but they had a falling out over the but they had a falling out over the but they had a falling out over the extent of his religious beliefs, which

extent of his religious beliefs, which extent of his religious beliefs, which ended in him storming out. So he ended ended in him storming out. So he ended ended in him storming out. So he ended up calling this close family friend that up calling this close family friend that up calling this close family friend that he'd stayed with before, this lady named he'd stayed with before, this lady named he'd stayed with before, this lady named Wendy Phillips, and asked if he could Wendy Phillips, and asked if he could Wendy Phillips, and asked if he could stay with her and her family stay with her and her family stay with her and her family >> and still in Washington. >> and still in Washington. >> and still in Washington. >> Yeah, this is just like an hour away >> Yeah, this is just like an hour away >> Yeah, this is just like an hour away from his mom's place, but in Washington. from his mom's place, but in Washington. from his mom's place, but in Washington. So Braden told Wendy that he would been So Braden told Wendy that he would been So Braden told Wendy that he would been staying with his mom, but that he quote staying with his mom, but that he quote staying with his mom, but that he quote determined that his mom was Satan. So I determined that his mom was Satan. So I determined that his mom was Satan. So I don't know if she like felt for him or don't know if she like felt for him or don't know if she like felt for him or what, but Wendy and her husband Timothy what, but Wendy and her husband Timothy what, but Wendy and her husband Timothy agreed to take him in. [music] And agreed to take him in. [music] And agreed to take him in. [music] And Braden joined them and their children, Braden joined them and their children, Braden joined them and their children, James and Samantha, in Toledo, James and Samantha, in Toledo, James and Samantha, in Toledo, Washington. Now, our reporter Nicole Washington. Now, our reporter Nicole Washington. Now, our reporter Nicole spoke with both kids, James and spoke with both kids, James and spoke with both kids, James and Samantha, and they described Braden as Samantha, and they described Braden as Samantha, and they described Braden as almost like a brother to them. He would almost like a brother to them. He would almost like a brother to them. He would go to their family lake days at go to their family lake days at go to their family lake days at barbecues and when he married Alyssa, he barbecues and when he married Alyssa, he barbecues and when he married Alyssa, he would bring her around too and they would bring her around too and they would bring her around too and they adored her. Samantha and Alyssa actually adored her. Samantha and Alyssa actually adored her. Samantha and Alyssa actually ended up becoming good friends ended up becoming good friends ended up becoming good friends themselves. But when Braden came to live themselves. But when Braden came to live themselves. But when Braden came to live with the Phillips in 2016 after his with the Phillips in 2016 after his with the Phillips in 2016 after his separation, Samantha said that he seemed separation, Samantha said that he seemed separation, Samantha said that he seemed to be in this like really weird to be in this like really weird to be in this like really weird headspace. She said that Braden would headspace. She said that Braden would headspace. She said that Braden would talk constantly about how much he loved talk constantly about how much he loved talk constantly about how much he loved Alyssa and how heartbroken he was, but Alyssa and how heartbroken he was, but Alyssa and how heartbroken he was, but there seemed to be something else just there seemed to be something else just there seemed to be something else just like under the surface. He would say like under the surface. He would say like under the surface. He would say that the separation was God's will and that the separation was God's will and that the separation was God's will and obviously something must not be right obviously something must not be right obviously something must not be right with Alyssa because God pulled him away with Alyssa because God pulled him away with Alyssa because God pulled him away from her. Samantha said it actually made from her. Samantha said it actually made from her. Samantha said it actually made Braden an uncomfortable person to be Braden an uncomfortable person to be Braden an uncomfortable person to be around. like she couldn't quite put her around. like she couldn't quite put her around. like she couldn't quite put her finger on it, but she just got this

finger on it, but she just got this finger on it, but she just got this unsettled [music] unsettled [music] unsettled [music] feeling in her gut that something was feeling in her gut that something was feeling in her gut that something was off. off. off. >> Which brings me back to the night that >> Which brings me back to the night that >> Which brings me back to the night that Alyssa was reported missing. So Alyssa's Alyssa was reported missing. So Alyssa's Alyssa was reported missing. So Alyssa's family was like desperately trying to family was like desperately trying to family was like desperately trying to get a hold of Braden. They finally get a hold of Braden. They finally get a hold of Braden. They finally reached the Phillips and [music] they're reached the Phillips and [music] they're reached the Phillips and [music] they're like, "Sorry, Braden's asleep." But the like, "Sorry, Braden's asleep." But the like, "Sorry, Braden's asleep." But the Romaines were like, "Okay, yeah, but Romaines were like, "Okay, yeah, but Romaines were like, "Okay, yeah, but this is really important. Please just this is really important. Please just this is really important. Please just tell him to like listen to the tell him to like listen to the tell him to like listen to the voicemails we left him. like he'll voicemails we left him. like he'll voicemails we left him. like he'll understand and he'll want to call us understand and he'll want to call us understand and he'll want to call us back. back. back. >> So Wendy like she goes to get Braden who >> So Wendy like she goes to get Braden who >> So Wendy like she goes to get Braden who is sleeping. She has him like listen to is sleeping. She has him like listen to is sleeping. She has him like listen to the voicemail messages that Barbara and the voicemail messages that Barbara and the voicemail messages that Barbara and the police officer had left. [music] the police officer had left. [music] the police officer had left. [music] And per her account in the police file, And per her account in the police file, And per her account in the police file, Braden apparently showed no visible Braden apparently showed no visible Braden apparently showed no visible emotion while listening to the emotion while listening to the emotion while listening to the voicemails. And after they finished, he voicemails. And after they finished, he voicemails. And after they finished, he handed the phone back to one of the handed the phone back to one of the handed the phone back to one of the Phillips and said, [music] "Thank you." Phillips and said, [music] "Thank you." Phillips and said, [music] "Thank you." and went back to bed. and went back to bed. and went back to bed. what their son James said that Braden what their son James said that Braden what their son James said that Braden just acted like it was any other day and just acted like it was any other day and just acted like it was any other day and he remembers Braden saying she's he remembers Braden saying she's he remembers Braden saying she's probably off on a spiritual journey.

probably off on a spiritual journey. probably off on a spiritual journey. She'll pop back up. Well, guess what? She'll pop back up. Well, guess what? She'll pop back up. Well, guess what? She didn't. So, the Phillips managed to She didn't. So, the Phillips managed to She didn't. So, the Phillips managed to convince Braden to call the police back convince Braden to call the police back convince Braden to call the police back the next day. This would be June 10th. the next day. This would be June 10th. the next day. This would be June 10th. But still, this is before Alyssa's body But still, this is before Alyssa's body But still, this is before Alyssa's body has been found. And on this call, has been found. And on this call, has been found. And on this call, according to the police files, Braden according to the police files, Braden according to the police files, Braden does admit to speaking with Alyssa on does admit to speaking with Alyssa on does admit to speaking with Alyssa on June 8th, he says they spoke about what June 8th, he says they spoke about what June 8th, he says they spoke about what was going on in each other's lives, was going on in each other's lives, was going on in each other's lives, about religion, specifically about this about religion, specifically about this about religion, specifically about this trip that they're thinking of going on trip that they're thinking of going on trip that they're thinking of going on to Florida to learn more about a certain to Florida to learn more about a certain to Florida to learn more about a certain religious movement. They decided to religious movement. They decided to religious movement. They decided to leave the decision up to Jesus. Now, leave the decision up to Jesus. Now, leave the decision up to Jesus. Now, according to Braden, the conversation according to Braden, the conversation according to Braden, the conversation was it was soft. It was sweet, loving. was it was soft. It was sweet, loving. was it was soft. It was sweet, loving. But interestingly, he also says in it, But interestingly, he also says in it, But interestingly, he also says in it, he admitted to Alyssa that he was having he admitted to Alyssa that he was having he admitted to Alyssa that he was having thoughts of not being faithful, that he thoughts of not being faithful, that he thoughts of not being faithful, that he was viewing pornography and he wanted to was viewing pornography and he wanted to was viewing pornography and he wanted to drink and smoke and get a house and a drink and smoke and get a house and a drink and smoke and get a house and a job, all those things that like were job, all those things that like were job, all those things that like were pulling them apart, which were all still pulling them apart, which were all still pulling them apart, which were all still things that Alyssa did not approve of. things that Alyssa did not approve of. things that Alyssa did not approve of. >> And does he seem concerned at this point >> And does he seem concerned at this point >> And does he seem concerned at this point like to the officers or he still kind of like to the officers or he still kind of like to the officers or he still kind of detached?

detached? detached? >> It's hard to tell. Like I'm just going >> It's hard to tell. Like I'm just going >> It's hard to tell. Like I'm just going off of an officer's write up of this off of an officer's write up of this off of an officer's write up of this conversation, but it seems like Braden conversation, but it seems like Braden conversation, but it seems like Braden sort of dismisses the idea that Alyssa sort of dismisses the idea that Alyssa sort of dismisses the idea that Alyssa is in danger. He says that she didn't is in danger. He says that she didn't is in danger. He says that she didn't mention hanging out with anyone new, mention hanging out with anyone new, mention hanging out with anyone new, that she mostly kept to herself anyway, that she mostly kept to herself anyway, that she mostly kept to herself anyway, and she didn't make any indications at and she didn't make any indications at and she didn't make any indications at all that she was going to harm herself. all that she was going to harm herself. all that she was going to harm herself. I mean, he said, quote, "She is probably I mean, he said, quote, "She is probably I mean, he said, quote, "She is probably just at the [music] zoo." End quote. just at the [music] zoo." End quote. just at the [music] zoo." End quote. Which is weirder than a spiritual Which is weirder than a spiritual Which is weirder than a spiritual journey. journey. journey. >> I mean, yeah. And like overnight, >> I mean, yeah. And like overnight, >> I mean, yeah. And like overnight, >> I guess. Yeah, cuz this is the next day. >> I guess. Yeah, cuz this is the next day. >> I guess. Yeah, cuz this is the next day. But like I don't know. Braden says that But like I don't know. Braden says that But like I don't know. Braden says that he knows that Alyssa goes to the he knows that Alyssa goes to the he knows that Alyssa goes to the riparian. He mentions the riparian every riparian. He mentions the riparian every riparian. He mentions the riparian every day, day, day, >> but she had also recently started >> but she had also recently started >> but she had also recently started visiting the zoo in the mornings, I visiting the zoo in the mornings, I visiting the zoo in the mornings, I guess. So like I don't know if he just guess. So like I don't know if he just guess. So like I don't know if he just assumes that assumes that assumes that >> she she went there instead and was there >> she she went there instead and was there >> she she went there instead and was there like the whole time. I don't know. like the whole time. I don't know. like the whole time. I don't know. >> But as for his own whereabouts, Braden >> But as for his own whereabouts, Braden >> But as for his own whereabouts, Braden tells police that he has been in tells police that he has been in tells police that he has been in Washington with the Phillips [music] Washington with the Phillips [music] Washington with the Phillips [music] since the end of April. since the end of April. since the end of April. >> And does he mention anything about the >> And does he mention anything about the >> And does he mention anything about the separation? He doesn't. But it also separation? He doesn't. But it also separation? He doesn't. But it also doesn't seem like they really ask him doesn't seem like they really ask him doesn't seem like they really ask him about it. Like at this point, everything about it. Like at this point, everything about it. Like at this point, everything investigators seem to know about Braden investigators seem to know about Braden investigators seem to know about Braden and Alyssa's relationship history comes and Alyssa's relationship history comes and Alyssa's relationship history comes from other sources. And remember, from other sources. And remember, from other sources. And remember, they're talking to him at a time when they're talking to him at a time when they're talking to him at a time when she has not been found. Like, she's just she has not been found. Like, she's just she has not been found. Like, she's just missing. And I think they're really missing. And I think they're really missing. And I think they're really focused on just like seeing if he knows focused on just like seeing if he knows focused on just like seeing if he knows where she is.

where she is. where she is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, as we know, it's only hours after >> Now, as we know, it's only hours after >> Now, as we know, it's only hours after this call, though, that Alyssa's body this call, though, that Alyssa's body this call, though, that Alyssa's body ends up being found. And Braden's mom, ends up being found. And Braden's mom, ends up being found. And Braden's mom, her name's Jodie, she actually drives her name's Jodie, she actually drives her name's Jodie, she actually drives down to the Phillips house herself to down to the Phillips house herself to down to the Phillips house herself to tell Braden once she learns the news. tell Braden once she learns the news. tell Braden once she learns the news. And when she gets there, according And when she gets there, according And when she gets there, according [music] to Wendy, who Braden's staying [music] to Wendy, who Braden's staying [music] to Wendy, who Braden's staying with, his behavior is weird. Wendy tells with, his behavior is weird. Wendy tells with, his behavior is weird. Wendy tells police that Jod was trying to talk to police that Jod was trying to talk to police that Jod was trying to talk to him, but he kept screaming at her and him, but he kept screaming at her and him, but he kept screaming at her and telling her that she was Satan. And when telling her that she was Satan. And when telling her that she was Satan. And when she finally was able to tell him that she finally was able to tell him that she finally was able to tell him that Alyssa was dead, Braden says, quote, "It Alyssa was dead, Braden says, quote, "It Alyssa was dead, Braden says, quote, "It [music] was prophesied that she would [music] was prophesied that she would [music] was prophesied that she would die." die." die." >> Prophesied by who? And also, why? >> Prophesied by who? And also, why? >> Prophesied by who? And also, why? Because I'm pretty sure 5 minutes ago Because I'm pretty sure 5 minutes ago Because I'm pretty sure 5 minutes ago you were telling us that she was just at you were telling us that she was just at you were telling us that she was just at the zoo. the zoo. the zoo. >> I don't know. Samantha, one of the >> I don't know. Samantha, one of the >> I don't know. Samantha, one of the Phillips, the their daughter, she said Phillips, the their daughter, she said Phillips, the their daughter, she said that he didn't seem distraught, which that he didn't seem distraught, which that he didn't seem distraught, which was really unsettling to [music] her. was really unsettling to [music] her. was really unsettling to [music] her. and her brother James thought that it and her brother James thought that it and her brother James thought that it was downright terrifying. Though was downright terrifying. Though was downright terrifying. Though apparently Braden does eventually break apparently Braden does eventually break apparently Braden does eventually break down like screaming and wailing. So he down like screaming and wailing. So he down like screaming and wailing. So he does have some reaction. [music] And does have some reaction. [music] And does have some reaction. [music] And later that day he also starts confiding later that day he also starts confiding later that day he also starts confiding in James. He says that he's afraid of in James. He says that he's afraid of in James. He says that he's afraid of facing his family or going down to facing his family or going down to facing his family or going down to Gilbert and seeing his and Alyssa's Gilbert and seeing his and Alyssa's Gilbert and seeing his and Alyssa's things. He says he doesn't want to speak things. He says he doesn't want to speak things. He says he doesn't want to speak at the funeral or even see Alyssa's body at the funeral or even see Alyssa's body at the funeral or even see Alyssa's body or actually go to the funeral at all.

or actually go to the funeral at all. or actually go to the funeral at all. James says that they talk until James' James says that they talk until James' James says that they talk until James' parents come home. And then Braden says, parents come home. And then Braden says, parents come home. And then Braden says, "I don't want you talking about anything "I don't want you talking about anything "I don't want you talking about anything we talked about to your parents." But we talked about to your parents." But we talked about to your parents." But whether James told them or not, Braden whether James told them or not, Braden whether James told them or not, Braden eventually stops trusting any of [music] eventually stops trusting any of [music] eventually stops trusting any of [music] the Phillips. He starts calling their the Phillips. He starts calling their the Phillips. He starts calling their dad, Timothy, Satan. And then he stops dad, Timothy, Satan. And then he stops dad, Timothy, Satan. And then he stops speaking to all of them altogether. And speaking to all of them altogether. And speaking to all of them altogether. And the last thing he asks for is a ride to the last thing he asks for is a ride to the last thing he asks for is a ride to the airport the next day, [music] the airport the next day, [music] the airport the next day, [music] which at this point I assume the which at this point I assume the which at this point I assume the Phillips are like happy to provide. Phillips are like happy to provide. Phillips are like happy to provide. >> Yeah. But the airport to go where >> Yeah. But the airport to go where >> Yeah. But the airport to go where >> back to Arizona. So like Alyssa's family >> back to Arizona. So like Alyssa's family >> back to Arizona. So like Alyssa's family had gotten him a flight so that he could had gotten him a flight so that he could had gotten him a flight so that he could stay with them for a while. stay with them for a while. stay with them for a while. >> So they really weren't suspicious of him >> So they really weren't suspicious of him >> So they really weren't suspicious of him at all. at all. at all. >> Not at this point. No. But Samantha, who >> Not at this point. No. But Samantha, who >> Not at this point. No. But Samantha, who was 18 or 19 at this time, she said that was 18 or 19 at this time, she said that was 18 or 19 at this time, she said that she was like the day that he left town. she was like the day that he left town. she was like the day that he left town. This would have been June 11th. She This would have been June 11th. She This would have been June 11th. She remembers looking at her mom with this remembers looking at her mom with this remembers looking at her mom with this sinking feeling in her stomach and sinking feeling in her stomach and sinking feeling in her stomach and saying, "Mom, [music] did Braden kill saying, "Mom, [music] did Braden kill saying, "Mom, [music] did Braden kill her?" But I don't think the police were her?" But I don't think the police were her?" But I don't think the police were [music] asking themselves that same [music] asking themselves that same [music] asking themselves that same question. At least not yet. So the day question. At least not yet. So the day question. At least not yet. So the day after Braden gets to Arizona, he calls after Braden gets to Arizona, he calls after Braden gets to Arizona, he calls Gilbert PD asking to speak about Alyssa.

Gilbert PD asking to speak about Alyssa. Gilbert PD asking to speak about Alyssa. [music] [music] [music] >> He he calls them >> He he calls them >> He he calls them >> proactively. At least that's what it >> proactively. At least that's what it >> proactively. At least that's what it says in the case file. But when he comes says in the case file. But when he comes says in the case file. But when he comes into the station for what they consider into the station for what they consider into the station for what they consider his like first formal interview in it, his like first formal interview in it, his like first formal interview in it, Braden does himself zero favors. Braden tells police some things that Braden tells police some things that they already know about his and Alyssa's they already know about his and Alyssa's they already know about his and Alyssa's relationship and the separation, relationship and the separation, relationship and the separation, emphasizing, by the way though that they emphasizing, by the way though that they emphasizing, by the way though that they had their disagreements and they were had their disagreements and they were had their disagreements and they were living apart, but they were definitely living apart, but they were definitely living apart, but they were definitely still married. [music] still married. [music] still married. [music] And then things start to take a turn. And then things start to take a turn. And then things start to take a turn. Braden is asked what he heard happened Braden is asked what he heard happened Braden is asked what he heard happened to Alyssa. And this is when he begins to to Alyssa. And this is when he begins to to Alyssa. And this is when he begins to describe the crime scene in vivid describe the crime scene in vivid describe the crime scene in vivid detail. detail. detail. >> Uh which is like >> Uh which is like >> Uh which is like >> how do you know what it looked like? >> how do you know what it looked like? >> how do you know what it looked like? >> Exactly. And he tells investigators that >> Exactly. And he tells investigators that >> Exactly. And he tells investigators that he knows because he saw some video of he knows because he saw some video of he knows because he saw some video of the crime scene on the news the crime scene on the news the crime scene on the news >> of the crime scene.

>> of the crime scene. >> of the crime scene. >> Well, of the investigator saying that >> Well, of the investigator saying that >> Well, of the investigator saying that they found Alyssa and then he said he they found Alyssa and then he said he they found Alyssa and then he said he saw this like overhead view from a saw this like overhead view from a saw this like overhead view from a helicopter. and he [music] says, quote, helicopter. and he [music] says, quote, helicopter. and he [music] says, quote, "It's kind of hard to see, but you can "It's kind of hard to see, but you can "It's kind of hard to see, but you can see it if you look." End quote. [music] see it if you look." End quote. [music] see it if you look." End quote. [music] And when the detectives ask if anything And when the detectives ask if anything And when the detectives ask if anything stuck out to him, he said, "Just her stuck out to him, he said, "Just her stuck out to him, he said, "Just her position." position." position." >> Okay, but how is he seeing the crime >> Okay, but how is he seeing the crime >> Okay, but how is he seeing the crime scene video? Like, I'm I'm confused. scene video? Like, I'm I'm confused. scene video? Like, I'm I'm confused. >> I know. This is what's like kind of >> I know. This is what's like kind of >> I know. This is what's like kind of wild. According to him, it's just like wild. According to him, it's just like wild. According to him, it's just like all over. Like the local news station, a all over. Like the local news station, a all over. Like the local news station, a central, a family, CNN, he's saying it's central, a family, CNN, he's saying it's central, a family, CNN, he's saying it's everywhere, which in the moment, I don't everywhere, which in the moment, I don't everywhere, which in the moment, I don't think the detective could like prove him think the detective could like prove him think the detective could like prove him wrong. wrong. wrong. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, he kind of just like pivots and he >> So, he kind of just like pivots and he >> So, he kind of just like pivots and he starts down this like different line of starts down this like different line of starts down this like different line of questioning. He wants to know Braden's questioning. He wants to know Braden's questioning. He wants to know Braden's thoughts about what happened to Alyssa. thoughts about what happened to Alyssa. thoughts about what happened to Alyssa. And Braden says that the Lord told him And Braden says that the Lord told him And Braden says that the Lord told him Alyssa was attacked by Satan and thrown Alyssa was attacked by Satan and thrown Alyssa was attacked by Satan and thrown in the water by a demon. And I'm not in the water by a demon. And I'm not in the water by a demon. And I'm not quite sure how that goes over with the quite sure how that goes over with the quite sure how that goes over with the detective because there's this like detective because there's this like detective because there's this like whole redaction paragraph after this.

whole redaction paragraph after this. whole redaction paragraph after this. [music] [music] [music] And then Braden starts asking about And then Braden starts asking about And then Braden starts asking about Alyssa's belongings, specifically her Alyssa's belongings, specifically her Alyssa's belongings, specifically her bag. bag. bag. >> What bag? >> What bag? >> What bag? >> The investigator [music] >> The investigator [music] >> The investigator [music] asks, but Braden's answer is redacted. I asks, but Braden's answer is redacted. I asks, but Braden's answer is redacted. I don't know if she always like took a bag don't know if she always like took a bag don't know if she always like took a bag with her to the Riperian or if Braden with her to the Riperian or if Braden with her to the Riperian or if Braden knows more than he should because from knows more than he should because from knows more than he should because from like what we can read in the report, like what we can read in the report, like what we can read in the report, there's no mention of a bag at the scene there's no mention of a bag at the scene there's no mention of a bag at the scene or anywhere. But Braden is able to or anywhere. But Braden is able to or anywhere. But Braden is able to describe what is inside of this describe what is inside of this describe what is inside of this hypothetical bag. And he says he doesn't hypothetical bag. And he says he doesn't hypothetical bag. And he says he doesn't understand if it just sank or what understand if it just sank or what understand if it just sank or what happened, but he wants to know what she happened, but he wants to know what she happened, but he wants to know what she was going through and what she was was going through and what she was was going through and what she was writing [music] about. The investigator writing [music] about. The investigator writing [music] about. The investigator says that, you know, I can't share that says that, you know, I can't share that says that, you know, I can't share that information with you. information with you. information with you. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And then he steers Braden back to that >> And then he steers Braden back to that >> And then he steers Braden back to that demon theory he mentioned and he asked demon theory he mentioned and he asked demon theory he mentioned and he asked Braden, he's like, you know, have you Braden, he's like, you know, have you Braden, he's like, you know, have you ever been possessed by a demon before? ever been possessed by a demon before? ever been possessed by a demon before? To which Braden says that he believed To which Braden says that he believed To which Braden says that he believed demons were making him commit sins like demons were making him commit sins like demons were making him commit sins like watching TV and drinking alcohol. And at watching TV and drinking alcohol. And at watching TV and drinking alcohol. And at this point, I think the investigator this point, I think the investigator this point, I think the investigator might be like getting in over his head might be like getting in over his head might be like getting in over his head because he writes in the file that he because he writes in the file that he because he writes in the file that he advises Braden that he is not a demon advises Braden that he is not a demon advises Braden that he is not a demon expert. And then he just ends the expert. And then he just ends the expert. And then he just ends the interview.

interview. interview. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. Well, they it doesn't actually end. He Well, they it doesn't actually end. He Well, they it doesn't actually end. He like he tries to, but um what happens is like he tries to, but um what happens is like he tries to, but um what happens is the investigator leaves to like get a the investigator leaves to like get a the investigator leaves to like get a witness statement form for Braden to witness statement form for Braden to witness statement form for Braden to fill out. I don't know why they're fill out. I don't know why they're fill out. I don't know why they're considering him a witness or if this is considering him a witness or if this is considering him a witness or if this is just like a generic form. just like a generic form. just like a generic form. >> Yeah. For like a statement form or >> Yeah. For like a statement form or >> Yeah. For like a statement form or whatever. whatever. whatever. >> But when the investigator gets back into >> But when the investigator gets back into >> But when the investigator gets back into the room, it becomes clear that even if the room, it becomes clear that even if the room, it becomes clear that even if he was done asking him questions, Braden he was done asking him questions, Braden he was done asking him questions, Braden is not done talking. is not done talking. is not done talking. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> and this is where things really start to >> and this is where things really start to >> and this is where things really start to go off the rails. go off the rails. go off the rails. >> I honestly [laughter] thought we were >> I honestly [laughter] thought we were >> I honestly [laughter] thought we were already off the rails. You have no idea already off the rails. You have no idea already off the rails. You have no idea where this goes. So Braden starts asking where this goes. So Braden starts asking where this goes. So Braden starts asking about the injuries to Alyssa's body. about the injuries to Alyssa's body. about the injuries to Alyssa's body. He's like, "Obviously, I know there was He's like, "Obviously, I know there was He's like, "Obviously, I know there was an investigation into what happened to an investigation into what happened to an investigation into what happened to her, but like is there anything else her, but like is there anything else her, but like is there anything else that there's an investigation into?" that there's an investigation into?" that there's an investigation into?" >> Uh, should there be Braden? >> Uh, should there be Braden? >> Uh, should there be Braden? >> Right. Like you tell me. >> Right. Like you tell me. >> Right. Like you tell me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But Brayden's like, I don't know. Like, >> But Brayden's like, I don't know. Like, >> But Brayden's like, I don't know. Like, are you investigating a murder or are are you investigating a murder or are are you investigating a murder or are you just like trying to find every you just like trying to find every you just like trying to find every detail of what happened or are you detail of what happened or are you detail of what happened or are you >> can't it be both?

>> can't it be both? >> can't it be both? >> Yeah. And the detective was like, "Yeah, >> Yeah. And the detective was like, "Yeah, >> Yeah. And the detective was like, "Yeah, Braden, with like all of our Braden, with like all of our Braden, with like all of our investigations, we want to find out what investigations, we want to find out what investigations, we want to find out what happened." happened." happened." >> Like, we want to know what happened. >> Like, we want to know what happened. >> Like, we want to know what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. But like also, I can't go into >> Yeah. But like also, I can't go into >> Yeah. But like also, I can't go into that in detail with you. that in detail with you. that in detail with you. >> And that's when Braden's like, "Okay, so >> And that's when Braden's like, "Okay, so >> And that's when Braden's like, "Okay, so you couldn't tell me if there was you couldn't tell me if there was you couldn't tell me if there was anything on her body at all. like if I anything on her body at all. like if I anything on her body at all. like if I called the medical police, would they called the medical police, would they called the medical police, would they tell me what happened to her body? And tell me what happened to her body? And tell me what happened to her body? And the detective is like, what do you mean? the detective is like, what do you mean? the detective is like, what do you mean? And he says, like, is there any mangling And he says, like, is there any mangling And he says, like, is there any mangling or strangling? Like, is there any like or strangling? Like, is there any like or strangling? Like, is there any like bruises or like like if somebody like bruises or like like if somebody like bruises or like like if somebody like punched her or at least tried to kill punched her or at least tried to kill punched her or at least tried to kill her, is there any of that on her body? her, is there any of that on her body? her, is there any of that on her body? >> What? >> What? >> What? >> I Yeah. The detective again is like, I >> I Yeah. The detective again is like, I >> I Yeah. The detective again is like, I can't tell you that. can't tell you that. can't tell you that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And that it says in the case file is And that it says in the case file is And that it says in the case file is when Braden giggled and like, "Yeah, I when Braden giggled and like, "Yeah, I when Braden giggled and like, "Yeah, I know. I know." know. I know." know. I know." >> Okay. So, were there any signs of >> Okay. So, were there any signs of >> Okay. So, were there any signs of strangulation, though?

strangulation, though? strangulation, though? >> Nothing was mentioned in the unredacted >> Nothing was mentioned in the unredacted >> Nothing was mentioned in the unredacted areas of the autopsy report, but there areas of the autopsy report, but there areas of the autopsy report, but there are redactions in the file that appear are redactions in the file that appear are redactions in the file that appear specifically in the sections that are specifically in the sections that are specifically in the sections that are describing Alyssa's neck and nervous describing Alyssa's neck and nervous describing Alyssa's neck and nervous system, which like includes her brain system, which like includes her brain system, which like includes her brain and her spinal cord. But that is such a and her spinal cord. But that is such a and her spinal cord. But that is such a weirdly specific thing for Braden to weirdly specific thing for Braden to weirdly specific thing for Braden to ask. ask. ask. >> In the weirdest way possible, too. >> In the weirdest way possible, too. >> In the weirdest way possible, too. >> At that point, the detective just >> At that point, the detective just >> At that point, the detective just straight up asked Braden if he knows straight up asked Braden if he knows straight up asked Braden if he knows anything about what happened to Alyssa anything about what happened to Alyssa anything about what happened to Alyssa or anything that might assist in the or anything that might assist in the or anything that might assist in the investigation. And Braden says no. But investigation. And Braden says no. But investigation. And Braden says no. But of course, he is not done talking yet. of course, he is not done talking yet. of course, he is not done talking yet. >> Dude, go home. Get a lawyer. Stop >> Dude, go home. Get a lawyer. Stop >> Dude, go home. Get a lawyer. Stop talking. So, he proceeds to ask the talking. So, he proceeds to ask the talking. So, he proceeds to ask the investigator if he can be notified of investigator if he can be notified of investigator if he can be notified of any updates instead of Alyssa's family, any updates instead of Alyssa's family, any updates instead of Alyssa's family, like specifically Alyssa's mom and dad, like specifically Alyssa's mom and dad, like specifically Alyssa's mom and dad, because he didn't want anyone to freak because he didn't want anyone to freak because he didn't want anyone to freak out. And he kind of explains that like out. And he kind of explains that like out. And he kind of explains that like he's wary of misinformation, so he wants he's wary of misinformation, so he wants he's wary of misinformation, so he wants to know directly from the source what to know directly from the source what to know directly from the source what happened. And the investigator is like, happened. And the investigator is like, happened. And the investigator is like, "Yeah, no, you and the Roines can both "Yeah, no, you and the Roines can both "Yeah, no, you and the Roines can both have that privilege, have that privilege, have that privilege, >> right? Not instead. How about in >> right? Not instead. How about in >> right? Not instead. How about in addition to addition to addition to >> But Braden doubles down. He's like, >> But Braden doubles down. He's like, >> But Braden doubles down. He's like, "Yes, these people are her family, but "Yes, these people are her family, but "Yes, these people are her family, but like they weren't very close.

like they weren't very close. like they weren't very close. >> She was living with them." >> She was living with them." >> She was living with them." >> Yeah. And also like so is Braden at this >> Yeah. And also like so is Braden at this >> Yeah. And also like so is Braden at this point when he's saying this, point when he's saying this, point when he's saying this, >> but Braden just says that he doesn't >> but Braden just says that he doesn't >> but Braden just says that he doesn't want anyone knowing anything before him. want anyone knowing anything before him. want anyone knowing anything before him. So the investigator must like take this So the investigator must like take this So the investigator must like take this opportunity to be like maybe we should opportunity to be like maybe we should opportunity to be like maybe we should keep talking because he starts down this keep talking because he starts down this keep talking because he starts down this like new like different line of like new like different line of like new like different line of questioning. He asked Braden if Alyssa questioning. He asked Braden if Alyssa questioning. He asked Braden if Alyssa was attacked by a person rather than a was attacked by a person rather than a was attacked by a person rather than a demon, demon, demon, what should happen to that person? what should happen to that person? what should happen to that person? [music] And Braden responds that he [music] And Braden responds that he [music] And Braden responds that he thinks that person should be punished thinks that person should be punished thinks that person should be punished and thrown in jail, but when they have and thrown in jail, but when they have and thrown in jail, but when they have fully changed and repented, they should fully changed and repented, they should fully changed and repented, they should be let out. And then the investigator be let out. And then the investigator be let out. And then the investigator asks about the death penalty, but Braden asks about the death penalty, but Braden asks about the death penalty, but Braden says that he wouldn't want that for that says that he wouldn't want that for that says that he wouldn't want that for that person, which I can totally see being person, which I can totally see being person, which I can totally see being against his religious beliefs, right? against his religious beliefs, right? against his religious beliefs, right? Like that's not odd to me. Like that's not odd to me. Like that's not odd to me. >> But then he's asked, "Okay, well like >> But then he's asked, "Okay, well like >> But then he's asked, "Okay, well like what kind of punishment would you want what kind of punishment would you want what kind of punishment would you want for them? I have to read I know it's for them? I have to read I know it's for them? I have to read I know it's like dry to read a report, but I have to like dry to read a report, but I have to like dry to read a report, but I have to read it to you in his words because like read it to you in his words because like read it to you in his words because like I don't want you thinking I'm making any I don't want you thinking I'm making any I don't want you thinking I'm making any of this up." So Braden then replied, of this up." So Braden then replied, of this up." So Braden then replied, [music] "I wouldn't want that for them."

[music] "I wouldn't want that for them." [music] "I wouldn't want that for them." I asked Braden to clarify and Braden I asked Braden to clarify and Braden I asked Braden to clarify and Braden replied, "I wouldn't [music] want death replied, "I wouldn't [music] want death replied, "I wouldn't [music] want death for them." Right? We know death penalty. for them." Right? We know death penalty. for them." Right? We know death penalty. We know that. We know that. We know that. >> So this is where he says, "I asked >> So this is where he says, "I asked >> So this is where he says, "I asked Braden, what would you want?" And Braden Braden, what would you want?" And Braden Braden, what would you want?" And Braden replied, "I would want them honestly. I replied, "I would want them honestly. I replied, "I would want them honestly. I would want them to change. I would want would want them to change. I would want would want them to change. I would want them to know the Lord and I would want them to know the Lord and I would want them to know the Lord and I would want them to find him and for them to receive them to find him and for them to receive them to find him and for them to receive forgiveness, but have true honest forgiveness, but have true honest forgiveness, but have true honest repentance. repentance. repentance. Then there is punishment and there needs Then there is punishment and there needs Then there is punishment and there needs to be change. If there's no change, then to be change. If there's no change, then to be change. If there's no change, then that person should have a severe that person should have a severe that person should have a severe punishment. I asked if the person punishment. I asked if the person punishment. I asked if the person responsible should be sentenced to responsible should be sentenced to responsible should be sentenced to prison. Braden replied, I can say prison. Braden replied, I can say prison. Braden replied, I can say possibly. I don't know because there are possibly. I don't know because there are possibly. I don't know because there are so many things that could like go so many things that could like go so many things that could like go different [music] ways. Braden went on different [music] ways. Braden went on different [music] ways. Braden went on to say, "I guess I'm judging a man by to say, "I guess I'm judging a man by to say, "I guess I'm judging a man by his heart and what's in his heart. And his heart and what's in his heart. And his heart and what's in his heart. And if the man is turning and he's changing if the man is turning and he's changing if the man is turning and he's changing and he's willing to turn and obey and and he's willing to turn and obey and and he's willing to turn and obey and follow, Braden believed that he, the follow, Braden believed that he, the follow, Braden believed that he, the person responsible, should be built up person responsible, should be built up person responsible, should be built up slowly and gradually." Braden said he's slowly and gradually." Braden said he's slowly and gradually." Braden said he's still in trouble. He's not off the hook still in trouble. He's not off the hook still in trouble. He's not off the hook and there's punishment. But there I and there's punishment. But there I and there's punishment. But there I think that if someone is progressing to think that if someone is progressing to think that if someone is progressing to that there is proof then I think that that there is proof then I think that that there is proof then I think that maybe a little bit more mercy. [music] maybe a little bit more mercy. [music] maybe a little bit more mercy. [music] Braden went on to say if they have fully Braden went on to say if they have fully Braden went on to say if they have fully changed I think that maybe they should changed I think that maybe they should changed I think that maybe they should not be in jail. And at this point I'm not be in jail. And at this point I'm not be in jail. And at this point I'm reading still from the file. At this reading still from the file. At this reading still from the file. At this point I advise Braden had this situation point I advise Braden had this situation point I advise Braden had this situation occurred to me with my wife being killed occurred to me with my wife being killed occurred to me with my wife being killed then I would want the person responsible then I would want the person responsible then I would want the person responsible put to death. I advise Braden the two of put to death. I advise Braden the two of put to death. I advise Braden the two of us have separate backgrounds which is us have separate backgrounds which is us have separate backgrounds which is why we have different views. Braden

why we have different views. Braden why we have different views. Braden replied no honestly I feel the same way replied no honestly I feel the same way replied no honestly I feel the same way actually what you said. I asked Braden actually what you said. I asked Braden actually what you said. I asked Braden why he did not tell me this previously. why he did not tell me this previously. why he did not tell me this previously. Braden gave a deep sigh and stated I Braden gave a deep sigh and stated I Braden gave a deep sigh and stated I don't know I just don't want them to be don't know I just don't want them to be don't know I just don't want them to be in trouble. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I know you read this whole thing and I >> I know you read this whole thing and I >> I know you read this whole thing and I was like okay okay. I feel like I'm was like okay okay. I feel like I'm was like okay okay. I feel like I'm getting a picture of Braden and like his getting a picture of Braden and like his getting a picture of Braden and like his thought process. And then he's like, thought process. And then he's like, thought process. And then he's like, >> you know, you make a lot of sense. >> you know, you make a lot of sense. >> you know, you make a lot of sense. >> What you said that that just go with >> What you said that that just go with >> What you said that that just go with what you said. Write down what you said. what you said. Write down what you said. what you said. Write down what you said. >> At this point, the investigator says to >> At this point, the investigator says to >> At this point, the investigator says to Braden point blank, like if you want to Braden point blank, like if you want to Braden point blank, like if you want to tell me something like [music] now would tell me something like [music] now would tell me something like [music] now would be the time to tell me. be the time to tell me. be the time to tell me. >> But Braden says there is nothing to >> But Braden says there is nothing to >> But Braden says there is nothing to tell. So this is when the interview tell. So this is when the interview tell. So this is when the interview wraps up wraps up wraps up >> again. again with the investigator >> again. again with the investigator >> again. again with the investigator asking Braden if his DNA would be found asking Braden if his DNA would be found asking Braden if his DNA would be found at the scene. Braden says nope, he was at the scene. Braden says nope, he was at the scene. Braden says nope, he was in Washington the whole day on June 9th, in Washington the whole day on June 9th, in Washington the whole day on June 9th, which can be verified by the family he which can be verified by the family he which can be verified by the family he was staying with. And he has this sort was staying with. And he has this sort was staying with. And he has this sort of defensive moment where he says that of defensive moment where he says that of defensive moment where he says that he feels like he's being accused of he feels like he's being accused of he feels like he's being accused of something and he like needs to prove his something and he like needs to prove his something and he like needs to prove his innocence, which like I mean what you innocence, which like I mean what you innocence, which like I mean what you needed to do is stop talking.

needed to do is stop talking. needed to do is stop talking. >> Exactly. Like I don't think they were >> Exactly. Like I don't think they were >> Exactly. Like I don't think they were ready to accuse him of anything when he ready to accuse him of anything when he ready to accuse him of anything when he walked in there for sure, but they're walked in there for sure, but they're walked in there for sure, but they're definitely going to start really looking definitely going to start really looking definitely going to start really looking into him more now. So on June 16th, into him more now. So on June 16th, into him more now. So on June 16th, officers take a [music] trip up to officers take a [music] trip up to officers take a [music] trip up to Washington. And when they talk to Washington. And when they talk to Washington. And when they talk to Braden's mom, Jodie, she says that she Braden's mom, Jodie, she says that she Braden's mom, Jodie, she says that she can't imagine Braden being involved in can't imagine Braden being involved in can't imagine Braden being involved in Alyssa's death. She says that he has Alyssa's death. She says that he has Alyssa's death. She says that he has never hurt anyone. And until this never hurt anyone. And until this never hurt anyone. And until this happened, he's been the best son and happened, he's been the best son and happened, he's been the best son and brother brother brother >> until Alyssa's death. [music] >> until Alyssa's death. [music] >> until Alyssa's death. [music] >> No, I actually think she means more like >> No, I actually think she means more like >> No, I actually think she means more like since he started becoming more like since he started becoming more like since he started becoming more like extreme with his religion and like cut extreme with his religion and like cut extreme with his religion and like cut the family off here. I actually have the family off here. I actually have the family off here. I actually have another part of the police report I'm another part of the police report I'm another part of the police report I'm going to have you read. going to have you read. going to have you read. >> He just isn't my son. Like [music] I >> He just isn't my son. Like [music] I >> He just isn't my son. Like [music] I don't His personality used to just be so don't His personality used to just be so don't His personality used to just be so fun and funny and light and a joy to be fun and funny and light and a joy to be fun and funny and light and a joy to be around. Him and Alyssa both. They just around. Him and Alyssa both. They just around. Him and Alyssa both. They just seem so intense. It's all about God. You seem so intense. It's all about God. You seem so intense. It's all about God. You can't have a conversation with them can't have a conversation with them can't have a conversation with them without, you know, Jesus being in the without, you know, Jesus being in the without, you know, Jesus being in the mix. So, yeah, it had gotten difficult.

mix. So, yeah, it had gotten difficult. mix. So, yeah, it had gotten difficult. >> According to Jodie, Braden is the kind >> According to Jodie, Braden is the kind >> According to Jodie, Braden is the kind of person where if you're not with him, of person where if you're not with him, of person where if you're not with him, you're against him. you're against him. you're against him. >> Investigators also have an interesting >> Investigators also have an interesting >> Investigators also have an interesting conversation with [music] Timothy conversation with [music] Timothy conversation with [music] Timothy Phillips, right? The dad of the family Phillips, right? The dad of the family Phillips, right? The dad of the family he's staying with. He says that back he's staying with. He says that back he's staying with. He says that back when Braden moved in with them, he kept when Braden moved in with them, he kept when Braden moved in with them, he kept referring to himself as [music] the referring to himself as [music] the referring to himself as [music] the condemned man. Timothy says that he felt condemned man. Timothy says that he felt condemned man. Timothy says that he felt like Braden was implying that his sins like Braden was implying that his sins like Braden was implying that his sins were violent or dangerous and he thought were violent or dangerous and he thought were violent or dangerous and he thought that Braden must have been worried about that Braden must have been worried about that Braden must have been worried about getting a divorce from Alyssa because of getting a divorce from Alyssa because of getting a divorce from Alyssa because of how that would affect his religious how that would affect his religious how that would affect his religious progression. progression. progression. >> He also says that Braden's response to >> He also says that Braden's response to >> He also says that Braden's response to Alyssa's death was [music] not normal. Alyssa's death was [music] not normal. Alyssa's death was [music] not normal. That was a quote, not normal. But the That was a quote, not normal. But the That was a quote, not normal. But the most important conversation most important conversation most important conversation investigators have is with Wendy, who investigators have is with Wendy, who investigators have is with Wendy, who indeed confirms that Braden was at her indeed confirms that Braden was at her indeed confirms that Braden was at her house every day of the week that Alyssa house every day of the week that Alyssa house every day of the week that Alyssa went missing, and that she saw him went missing, and that she saw him went missing, and that she saw him physically each day up until she drove physically each day up until she drove physically each day up until she drove him to the airport on the 11th. him to the airport on the 11th. him to the airport on the 11th. >> I mean, you're kidding me. No, like he >> I mean, you're kidding me. No, like he >> I mean, you're kidding me. No, like he has a rock solid alibi, has a rock solid alibi, has a rock solid alibi, >> but it doesn't mean he still wasn't >> but it doesn't mean he still wasn't >> but it doesn't mean he still wasn't involved, which is why they keep involved, which is why they keep involved, which is why they keep digging. And luckily for investigators, digging. And luckily for investigators, digging. And luckily for investigators, Wendy hands over something that could Wendy hands over something that could Wendy hands over something that could help them test this theory, right? Like, help them test this theory, right? Like, help them test this theory, right? Like, was he maybe involved but not like was he maybe involved but not like was he maybe involved but not like physically responsible?

physically responsible? physically responsible? She gives them the devices that Braden She gives them the devices that Braden She gives them the devices that Braden had been using while he was staying had been using while he was staying had been using while he was staying [music] with them, including a phone and [music] with them, including a phone and [music] with them, including a phone and a tablet. a tablet. a tablet. >> And he didn't take those with him to >> And he didn't take those with him to >> And he didn't take those with him to Arizona. Arizona. Arizona. >> No, because they weren't his. Remember, >> No, because they weren't his. Remember, >> No, because they weren't his. Remember, Braden and Alyssa shared a phone. And so Braden and Alyssa shared a phone. And so Braden and Alyssa shared a phone. And so when Braden left for Washington, Alyssa when Braden left for Washington, Alyssa when Braden left for Washington, Alyssa kept that [music] phone. So while he was kept that [music] phone. So while he was kept that [music] phone. So while he was staying with the Phillips family, he was staying with the Phillips family, he was staying with the Phillips family, he was borrowing their son's devices. That's borrowing their son's devices. That's borrowing their son's devices. That's how he would communicate with Alyssa. how he would communicate with Alyssa. how he would communicate with Alyssa. and their son James told police that and their son James told police that and their son James told police that Braden used his tablet constantly. Braden used his tablet constantly. Braden used his tablet constantly. So when the forensic analysis comes So when the forensic analysis comes So when the forensic analysis comes [music] back a month later on these [music] back a month later on these [music] back a month later on these devices, that's what investigators devices, that's what investigators devices, that's what investigators expect to see, right? like all these expect to see, right? like all these expect to see, right? like all these communications constant use. communications constant use. communications constant use. >> But there's a little problem or if >> But there's a little problem or if >> But there's a little problem or if you're Braden, there is a big [music] you're Braden, there is a big [music] you're Braden, there is a big [music] problem because it turns out Braden had problem because it turns out Braden had problem because it turns out Braden had deleted almost all traces of his deleted almost all traces of his deleted almost all traces of his activity on the phone and tablet. And activity on the phone and tablet. And activity on the phone and tablet. And according to Wendy, the day he left, according to Wendy, the day he left, according to Wendy, the day he left, Braden did the same thing with his Xbox Braden did the same thing with his Xbox Braden did the same thing with his Xbox Live account. She tells police, quote, Live account. She tells police, quote, Live account. She tells police, quote, "It's like he was never [music] there."

3 months after these data records come 3 months after these data records come back, investigators feel like they're back, investigators feel like they're back, investigators feel like they're ready to talk to Braden again, to lay ready to talk to Braden again, to lay ready to talk to Braden again, to lay out everything that they've learned out everything that they've learned out everything that they've learned since their first discussion and see since their first discussion and see since their first discussion and see what he has to say. [music] And if you what he has to say. [music] And if you what he has to say. [music] And if you didn't pick up on this from Braden's didn't pick up on this from Braden's didn't pick up on this from Braden's first interview, he's going to have a first interview, he's going to have a first interview, he's going to have a lot to say. lot to say. lot to say. >> Yeah. This time around, they go to him >> Yeah. This time around, they go to him >> Yeah. This time around, they go to him because he's back in Washington at this because he's back in Washington at this because he's back in Washington at this [music] point. And they start off with [music] point. And they start off with [music] point. And they start off with an open-ended question. What do you know an open-ended question. What do you know an open-ended question. What do you know about Alyssa's death? And Braden about Alyssa's death? And Braden about Alyssa's death? And Braden answers, I don't know [music] anything. answers, I don't know [music] anything. answers, I don't know [music] anything. I know that she went to the Riperian I know that she went to the Riperian I know that she went to the Riperian Preserve. I don't know how she died. I Preserve. I don't know how she died. I Preserve. I don't know how she died. I literally don't know what happened. Is literally don't know what happened. Is literally don't know what happened. Is what he said. what he said. what he said. >> Okay. I thought he knew all about the >> Okay. I thought he knew all about the >> Okay. I thought he knew all about the crime scene. crime scene. crime scene. >> That So that is exactly what they bring >> That So that is exactly what they bring >> That So that is exactly what they bring it back to. They're like, "Hey, so it back to. They're like, "Hey, so it back to. They're like, "Hey, so remember how you said you knew about the remember how you said you knew about the remember how you said you knew about the crime scene because you saw it on TV?" crime scene because you saw it on TV?" crime scene because you saw it on TV?" So, weird thing, we can't find news So, weird thing, we can't find news So, weird thing, we can't find news coverage of it. We even asked your mom coverage of it. We even asked your mom coverage of it. We even asked your mom last time that we were in Washington if last time that we were in Washington if last time that we were in Washington if like the media up there was showing like the media up there was showing like the media up there was showing [music] something like maybe they showed [music] something like maybe they showed [music] something like maybe they showed something we can't find here in Arizona.

something we can't find here in Arizona. something we can't find here in Arizona. She said no. She said no. She said no. >> At one point, she even said information >> At one point, she even said information >> At one point, she even said information regarding Alyssa's death was regarding Alyssa's death was regarding Alyssa's death was non-existent in [music] the media. But non-existent in [music] the media. But non-existent in [music] the media. But Braden doubles down and he starts Braden doubles down and he starts Braden doubles down and he starts describing the footage in even more describing the footage in even more describing the footage in even more detail. I mean, like he literally draws detail. I mean, like he literally draws detail. I mean, like he literally draws a map for investigators with details a map for investigators with details a map for investigators with details down to where the bathrooms and the down to where the bathrooms and the down to where the bathrooms and the benches were in the preserve. He says benches were in the preserve. He says benches were in the preserve. He says that he watched a clip on a family of a that he watched a clip on a family of a that he watched a clip on a family of a helicopter flying over a pond and he saw helicopter flying over a pond and he saw helicopter flying over a pond and he saw this hourglass figure that quote looked this hourglass figure that quote looked this hourglass figure that quote looked like my wife. But police are like dude like my wife. But police are like dude like my wife. But police are like dude again where because we cannot find this again where because we cannot find this again where because we cannot find this thing. So Braden like is like, "Okay, thing. So Braden like is like, "Okay, thing. So Braden like is like, "Okay, whatever." He like whips out his phone whatever." He like whips out his phone whatever." He like whips out his phone like, "Here, I'll show you." But all of like, "Here, I'll show you." But all of like, "Here, I'll show you." But all of a sudden, Braden can't seem to find it a sudden, Braden can't seem to find it a sudden, Braden can't seem to find it either. And now he sort of tries to like either. And now he sort of tries to like either. And now he sort of tries to like walk the whole thing back. Like he says walk the whole thing back. Like he says walk the whole thing back. Like he says like, "Well, I thought I saw a body, but like, "Well, I thought I saw a body, but like, "Well, I thought I saw a body, but maybe I what I saw was like a bush." maybe I what I saw was like a bush." maybe I what I saw was like a bush." >> Okay. He just said he saw an hourglass >> Okay. He just said he saw an hourglass >> Okay. He just said he saw an hourglass figure that looked like his wife. figure that looked like his wife. figure that looked like his wife. >> I know. And at this point, investigators >> I know. And at this point, investigators >> I know. And at this point, investigators are like, "Straight up, listen, we're are like, "Straight up, listen, we're are like, "Straight up, listen, we're having trouble ruling you out as a having trouble ruling you out as a having trouble ruling you out as a suspect. And [music] suspect. And [music] suspect. And [music] this is the moment where I would say, if this is the moment where I would say, if this is the moment where I would say, if this were me, I didn't do this. I am this were me, I didn't do this. I am this were me, I didn't do this. I am innocent.

innocent. innocent. Braden chooses to go with, "Well, Braden chooses to go with, "Well, Braden chooses to go with, "Well, there's no evidence or anything." there's no evidence or anything." there's no evidence or anything." >> No, not [laughter] not the right answer. >> No, not [laughter] not the right answer. >> No, not [laughter] not the right answer. >> The detective is like, "How do you know >> The detective is like, "How do you know >> The detective is like, "How do you know there's no evidence?" [music] And Braden there's no evidence?" [music] And Braden there's no evidence?" [music] And Braden says, "Well, you know, obviously there says, "Well, you know, obviously there says, "Well, you know, obviously there isn't." And so the detective asks again, isn't." And so the detective asks again, isn't." And so the detective asks again, like, "But how do you know that?" And like, "But how do you know that?" And like, "But how do you know that?" And that's when Braden has to admit he that's when Braden has to admit he that's when Braden has to admit he doesn't know [music] that. And at this doesn't know [music] that. And at this doesn't know [music] that. And at this point, I can only imagine that things point, I can only imagine that things point, I can only imagine that things are like feeling tense. So Braden takes are like feeling tense. So Braden takes are like feeling tense. So Braden takes the opportunity to reiterate what should the opportunity to reiterate what should the opportunity to reiterate what should be his rocksolid alibi. He was in be his rocksolid alibi. He was in be his rocksolid alibi. He was in Washington. He didn't have his own Washington. He didn't have his own Washington. He didn't have his own devices or any money or even a car. I devices or any money or even a car. I devices or any money or even a car. I mean, but he was still using devices and mean, but he was still using devices and mean, but he was still using devices and they were basically all wiped. they were basically all wiped. they were basically all wiped. >> Yeah. Braden says that that, by the way, >> Yeah. Braden says that that, by the way, >> Yeah. Braden says that that, by the way, was because he was watching porn and was because he was watching porn and was because he was watching porn and sports and didn't want the Phillips to sports and didn't want the Phillips to sports and didn't want the Phillips to think badly of him. think badly of him. think badly of him. But like, by the way, he also deleted But like, by the way, he also deleted But like, by the way, he also deleted his communication, so like that doesn't his communication, so like that doesn't his communication, so like that doesn't totally add up for me. And listen, there totally add up for me. And listen, there totally add up for me. And listen, there are a whole lot of redactions in the are a whole lot of redactions in the are a whole lot of redactions in the file at this point.

file at this point. file at this point. >> I mean, I can't even imagine what more >> I mean, I can't even imagine what more >> I mean, I can't even imagine what more he could have said. he could have said. he could have said. >> I don't know. But the next thing that I >> I don't know. But the next thing that I >> I don't know. But the next thing that I can see is the point where the can see is the point where the can see is the point where the investigator starts walking through some investigator starts walking through some investigator starts walking through some theories. theories. theories. One is that this was a murder. Two is One is that this was a murder. Two is One is that this was a murder. Two is that someone was trying to help Alyssa that someone was trying to help Alyssa that someone was trying to help Alyssa rid herself of demons. went too far and rid herself of demons. went too far and rid herself of demons. went too far and this was an accident. And Brighton's this was an accident. And Brighton's this was an accident. And Brighton's like, "Yep, that second one." But he like, "Yep, that second one." But he like, "Yep, that second one." But he says he doesn't think that it was an says he doesn't think that it was an says he doesn't think that it was an accident because quote, "Demons wanted accident because quote, "Demons wanted accident because quote, "Demons wanted to kill Alyssa." And then, as if things to kill Alyssa." And then, as if things to kill Alyssa." And then, as if things couldn't get any worse, Braden like sort couldn't get any worse, Braden like sort couldn't get any worse, Braden like sort of goes off on this rant about how he is of goes off on this rant about how he is of goes off on this rant about how he is this like wretch and evil man because of this like wretch and evil man because of this like wretch and evil man because of the things that he has done. He says the things that he has done. He says the things that he has done. He says that he's hurt people. He's lied to them that he's hurt people. He's lied to them that he's hurt people. He's lied to them about who he is. about who he is. about who he is. >> Hurt who? I don't know. And the >> Hurt who? I don't know. And the >> Hurt who? I don't know. And the detective actually asks a different detective actually asks a different detective actually asks a different question. That would have been my question. That would have been my question. That would have been my question. He wants Braden to tell him question. He wants Braden to tell him question. He wants Braden to tell him the worst thing he's ever done to a the worst thing he's ever done to a the worst thing he's ever done to a person. So maybe kind of the same person. So maybe kind of the same person. So maybe kind of the same question. And Braden has an answer. He question. And Braden has an answer. He question. And Braden has an answer. He tells this story [music] tells this story [music] tells this story [music] about this one time that he and Alyssa about this one time that he and Alyssa about this one time that he and Alyssa were in California together ministering were in California together ministering were in California together ministering at a woman's house. And Alyssa was like at a woman's house. And Alyssa was like at a woman's house. And Alyssa was like praying to God to rebuke the demons praying to God to rebuke the demons praying to God to rebuke the demons inside of him. but she wouldn't stop inside of him. but she wouldn't stop inside of him. but she wouldn't stop when he asked her to. So Braden when he asked her to. So Braden when he asked her to. So Braden threatened her to be quiet with a knife.

threatened her to be quiet with a knife. threatened her to be quiet with a knife. So now the detective asks if maybe that So now the detective asks if maybe that So now the detective asks if maybe that same thing happened at the preserve and same thing happened at the preserve and same thing happened at the preserve and Braden says Braden says Braden says the devil. Yeah, he manifested. I wasn't the devil. Yeah, he manifested. I wasn't the devil. Yeah, he manifested. I wasn't physically there but he manifested. physically there but he manifested. physically there but he manifested. And then of course as soon as it feels And then of course as soon as it feels And then of course as soon as it feels like we are on the brink of something, like we are on the brink of something, like we are on the brink of something, redactions, pages of them. When I can redactions, pages of them. When I can redactions, pages of them. When I can read again, all I can see is that Braden read again, all I can see is that Braden read again, all I can see is that Braden refused to take a computer voice stress refused to take a computer voice stress refused to take a computer voice stress analysis because the Lord told him not analysis because the Lord told him not analysis because the Lord told him not to. And that must be good enough for to. And that must be good enough for to. And that must be good enough for detectives because that is the last time detectives because that is the last time detectives because that is the last time that they speak to Braden. that they speak to Braden. that they speak to Braden. >> You're kidding me. No. Now, granted, >> You're kidding me. No. Now, granted, >> You're kidding me. No. Now, granted, I've told you there are a lot of I've told you there are a lot of I've told you there are a lot of redactions in the file, redactions in the file, redactions in the file, >> but this is the last interview with him >> but this is the last interview with him >> but this is the last interview with him that I can see, that I can see, that I can see, >> and I think that is because they could >> and I think that is because they could >> and I think that is because they could never put him in Arizona or connect him never put him in Arizona or connect him never put him in Arizona or connect him to someone who was there.

to someone who was there. to someone who was there. >> Okay. But like, how do you explain him >> Okay. But like, how do you explain him >> Okay. But like, how do you explain him drawing a map of the crime scene? drawing a map of the crime scene? drawing a map of the crime scene? >> Our team actually got to the bottom of >> Our team actually got to the bottom of >> Our team actually got to the bottom of that. [music] that. [music] that. [music] So, that video that Braden was talking So, that video that Braden was talking So, that video that Braden was talking about, this aerial footage over the about, this aerial footage over the about, this aerial footage over the riparian showing the discovery of riparian showing the discovery of riparian showing the discovery of Alyssa's body, Alyssa's sister Michelle Alyssa's body, Alyssa's sister Michelle Alyssa's body, Alyssa's sister Michelle says she saw it, too. She said that it says she saw it, too. She said that it says she saw it, too. She said that it was on the evening news a day or two was on the evening news a day or two was on the evening news a day or two after Alyssa was found, and it was clear after Alyssa was found, and it was clear after Alyssa was found, and it was clear enough for her to observe something enough for her to observe something enough for her to observe something white in the water, which [music] white in the water, which [music] white in the water, which [music] she also thought was Alyssa's body she also thought was Alyssa's body she also thought was Alyssa's body because she was like naturally very because she was like naturally very because she was like naturally very pale. pale. pale. >> Okay. So, how come the officer couldn't >> Okay. So, how come the officer couldn't >> Okay. So, how come the officer couldn't seem to find it? seem to find it? seem to find it? >> Well, that's because by the time the >> Well, that's because by the time the >> Well, that's because by the time the officer was searching for it, [music] I officer was searching for it, [music] I officer was searching for it, [music] I don't think there was anything there to don't think there was anything there to don't think there was anything there to find. It seemed like it had been taken find. It seemed like it had been taken find. It seemed like it had been taken down. And we even dug into this a little down. And we even dug into this a little down. And we even dug into this a little deeper with the help of our breaking deeper with the help of our breaking deeper with the help of our breaking news reporter, Brianna Whitney. news reporter, Brianna Whitney. news reporter, Brianna Whitney. >> She worked for a family. >> She worked for a family. >> She worked for a family. >> Literally, she came here from a family. >> Literally, she came here from a family. >> Literally, she came here from a family. And that's the station that Braden And that's the station that Braden And that's the station that Braden specifically referenced in this police specifically referenced in this police specifically referenced in this police interview. and she said that like as a interview. and she said that like as a interview. and she said that like as a matter of policy there, the station matter of policy there, the station matter of policy there, the station would not post any footage showing a would not post any footage showing a would not post any footage showing a body or human remains of any kind, body or human remains of any kind, body or human remains of any kind, >> which makes sense.

>> which makes sense. >> which makes sense. >> Yeah. Now, Brianna wasn't with the >> Yeah. Now, Brianna wasn't with the >> Yeah. Now, Brianna wasn't with the station at this time, but she said station at this time, but she said station at this time, but she said what's very likely is that if there was what's very likely is that if there was what's very likely is that if there was breaking news, like a breaking news breaking news, like a breaking news breaking news, like a breaking news broadcast that showed something that the broadcast that showed something that the broadcast that showed something that the newsroom later realized might depict a newsroom later realized might depict a newsroom later realized might depict a body, it would immediately be scrubbed body, it would immediately be scrubbed body, it would immediately be scrubbed from their channels. from their channels. from their channels. >> Which tells me that Braden was likely >> Which tells me that Braden was likely >> Which tells me that Braden was likely telling the truth in his interview with telling the truth in his interview with telling the truth in his interview with police. [music] And I know that he drew police. [music] And I know that he drew police. [music] And I know that he drew a map, but like Braden had been to the a map, but like Braden had been to the a map, but like Braden had been to the Riperian over a dozen times before this, Riperian over a dozen times before this, Riperian over a dozen times before this, like which he did actually relay to like which he did actually relay to like which he did actually relay to investigators. Now, Michelle and the investigators. Now, Michelle and the investigators. Now, Michelle and the rest of the Roine family back up Braden rest of the Roine family back up Braden rest of the Roine family back up Braden in other ways, too. [music] Yes, the in other ways, too. [music] Yes, the in other ways, too. [music] Yes, the stuff he was saying was offthe-wall, stuff he was saying was offthe-wall, stuff he was saying was offthe-wall, >> but they said he had no motive because >> but they said he had no motive because >> but they said he had no motive because even though he and Alyssa were even though he and Alyssa were even though he and Alyssa were separated, everyone in their lives said separated, everyone in their lives said separated, everyone in their lives said that the two were not even close to that the two were not even close to that the two were not even close to heading for divorce. They just wanted a heading for divorce. They just wanted a heading for divorce. They just wanted a little bit of space for like a hot little bit of space for like a hot little bit of space for like a hot minute. No one ever witnessed any minute. No one ever witnessed any minute. No one ever witnessed any arguing. They were still talking on the arguing. They were still talking on the arguing. They were still talking on the phone for hours a day, even during the phone for hours a day, even during the phone for hours a day, even during the separation. And they had plans to go to separation. And they had plans to go to separation. And they had plans to go to that like Bible conference a week or two that like Bible conference a week or two that like Bible conference a week or two after Alyssa died. And what's more, after Alyssa died. And what's more, after Alyssa died. And what's more, according to Chelsea, the only reason according to Chelsea, the only reason according to Chelsea, the only reason that Braden even went back to Washington that Braden even went back to Washington that Braden even went back to Washington rather than stay in Arizona during this rather than stay in Arizona during this rather than stay in Arizona during this little time apart was because his little time apart was because his little time apart was because his grandfather had passed away. Otherwise, grandfather had passed away. Otherwise, grandfather had passed away. Otherwise, she said he probably would have just she said he probably would have just she said he probably would have just stayed local. So, this motive [music] stayed local. So, this motive [music] stayed local. So, this motive [music] not really as solid as it seemed.

not really as solid as it seemed. not really as solid as it seemed. >> And if there's no motive, then you can >> And if there's no motive, then you can >> And if there's no motive, then you can rule out like any sort of like hitman rule out like any sort of like hitman rule out like any sort of like hitman theory, right? theory, right? theory, right? >> Listen, I can't say anything for >> Listen, I can't say anything for >> Listen, I can't say anything for certain. And for what it's worth, the certain. And for what it's worth, the certain. And for what it's worth, the Phillips family, who hosted Braden after Phillips family, who hosted Braden after Phillips family, who hosted Braden after the separation, said the thought has the separation, said the thought has the separation, said the thought has always lingered with them that Braden always lingered with them that Braden always lingered with them that Braden knows what happened to Alyssa. They knows what happened to Alyssa. They knows what happened to Alyssa. They still see him around in Washington still see him around in Washington still see him around in Washington sometimes like at church or the grocery sometimes like at church or the grocery sometimes like at church or the grocery store, but none of them have spoken to store, but none of them have spoken to store, but none of them have spoken to him since he got on that airplane to him since he got on that airplane to him since he got on that airplane to Arizona back in 2016. [music] Arizona back in 2016. [music] Arizona back in 2016. [music] They actually left a church service and They actually left a church service and They actually left a church service and went home after seeing him because they went home after seeing him because they went home after seeing him because they like didn't even want to deal. But like like didn't even want to deal. But like like didn't even want to deal. But like I mean play this theory out, right? So I mean play this theory out, right? So I mean play this theory out, right? So like we know Braden didn't have a job. like we know Braden didn't have a job. like we know Braden didn't have a job. He and Alyssa survived off donations. He and Alyssa survived off donations. He and Alyssa survived off donations. >> I mean the Roines literally had to pay >> I mean the Roines literally had to pay >> I mean the Roines literally had to pay for his travel to Arizona. So, if this for his travel to Arizona. So, if this for his travel to Arizona. So, if this was a hit for higher situation, was a hit for higher situation, was a hit for higher situation, >> how is he paying for it? >> how is he paying for it? >> how is he paying for it? >> With what money exactly? And listen, >> With what money exactly? And listen, >> With what money exactly? And listen, maybe he had like a friend in Arizona maybe he had like a friend in Arizona maybe he had like a friend in Arizona who would have helped him free of who would have helped him free of who would have helped him free of charge. Or maybe we're trying [music] to charge. Or maybe we're trying [music] to charge. Or maybe we're trying [music] to connect dots that don't connect because connect dots that don't connect because connect dots that don't connect because Braden had nothing to do with this.

Braden had nothing to do with this. Braden had nothing to do with this. Either way, there is no explicit [music] Either way, there is no explicit [music] Either way, there is no explicit [music] explanation as to why Braden's name sort explanation as to why Braden's name sort explanation as to why Braden's name sort of just fades from reports. And I of just fades from reports. And I of just fades from reports. And I actually can't say for certain that the actually can't say for certain that the actually can't say for certain that the police have cleared him. Now, I know police have cleared him. Now, I know police have cleared him. Now, I know that James said they still have his cell that James said they still have his cell that James said they still have his cell phone, laptop, and tablet, like all the phone, laptop, and tablet, like all the phone, laptop, and tablet, like all the ones that Braden was using, but it's ones that Braden was using, but it's ones that Braden was using, but it's hard to say if the police are actually hard to say if the police are actually hard to say if the police are actually doing anything with them or if they're doing anything with them or if they're doing anything with them or if they're just holding on to them. just holding on to them. just holding on to them. >> And I'm assuming we tried reaching >> And I'm assuming we tried reaching >> And I'm assuming we tried reaching Braden for comment, Braden for comment, Braden for comment, >> of course, but as of this recording, we >> of course, but as of this recording, we >> of course, but as of this recording, we haven't gotten a response. Alyssa's haven't gotten a response. Alyssa's haven't gotten a response. Alyssa's sister Michelle told us it felt like sister Michelle told us it felt like sister Michelle told us it felt like investigators took one look at Alyssa investigators took one look at Alyssa investigators took one look at Alyssa and Braden's lifestyle, heard about and Braden's lifestyle, heard about and Braden's lifestyle, heard about their religious beliefs, and instantly their religious beliefs, and instantly their religious beliefs, and instantly wrote them off as religious lunatics. wrote them off as religious lunatics. wrote them off as religious lunatics. And from that point on, she believes the And from that point on, she believes the And from that point on, she believes the investigation was driven by a simple investigation was driven by a simple investigation was driven by a simple assumption. Either Alyssa did this to assumption. Either Alyssa did this to assumption. Either Alyssa did this to herself or Braden did it to her. [music] herself or Braden did it to her. [music] herself or Braden did it to her. [music] And they were going to figure out how to And they were going to figure out how to And they were going to figure out how to put the pieces together to fit that put the pieces together to fit that put the pieces together to fit that story. But guess what? It's over 10 story. But guess what? It's over 10 story. But guess what? It's over 10 years later and this case is just in years later and this case is just in years later and this case is just in undetermined purgatory. [music] And the undetermined purgatory. [music] And the undetermined purgatory. [music] And the more that we investigated, the easier it more that we investigated, the easier it more that we investigated, the easier it became to see Braden not as somebody who became to see Braden not as somebody who became to see Braden not as somebody who killed his beloved wife, but rather killed his beloved wife, but rather killed his beloved wife, but rather somebody who was distraught, somebody who was distraught, somebody who was distraught, overwhelmed, and in desperate need of a overwhelmed, and in desperate need of a overwhelmed, and in desperate need of a lawyer. Because when you remove him from lawyer. Because when you remove him from lawyer. Because when you remove him from the equation, there are some other very the equation, there are some other very the equation, there are some other very viable leads that have been haunting not viable leads that have been haunting not viable leads that have been haunting not only me but Alyssa's family, too.

only me but Alyssa's family, too. only me but Alyssa's family, too. [music] And when you hear them, I think [music] And when you hear them, I think [music] And when you hear them, I think you'll understand why. Because girl, you'll understand why. Because girl, you'll understand why. Because girl, even through the redactions, what we even through the redactions, what we even through the redactions, what we found is shocking. And this case takes found is shocking. And this case takes found is shocking. And this case takes some wild turns involving a family some wild turns involving a family some wild turns involving a family stalker, an ex-boyfriend, two [music] stalker, an ex-boyfriend, two [music] stalker, an ex-boyfriend, two [music] strangers who knew things they shouldn't strangers who knew things they shouldn't strangers who knew things they shouldn't have, and Alyssa's ties to a have, and Alyssa's ties to a have, and Alyssa's ties to a controversial religious movement, which controversial religious movement, which controversial religious movement, which many online have likened to a [music] many online have likened to a [music] many online have likened to a [music] cult. cult. cult. But that's on next week's episode. Or if But that's on next week's episode. Or if But that's on next week's episode. Or if you are in the Crime Junkie [music] fan you are in the Crime Junkie [music] fan you are in the Crime Junkie [music] fan club, you can listen to part two right club, you can listen to part two right club, you can listen to part two right now adree. now adree. now adree. Crime Junkie is an audiochuck Crime Junkie is an audiochuck Crime Junkie is an audiochuck production. production. production. I think Chuck would approve.