Nancy Guthrie: The FULL Ransom Notes

The Nancy Guthrie case has been the most The Nancy Guthrie case has been the most talked about true [music] crime story in talked about true [music] crime story in talked about true [music] crime story in the headlines this past year. And I the headlines this past year. And I the headlines this past year. And I actually can't believe I'm saying this, actually can't believe I'm saying this, actually can't believe I'm saying this, but it has been nearly six [music] but it has been nearly six [music] but it has been nearly six [music] months since she was abducted from her months since she was abducted from her months since she was abducted from her Tucson home. In my Arizona news Tucson home. In my Arizona news Tucson home. In my Arizona news reporting role, right before I came to reporting role, right before I came to reporting role, right before I came to Crime Junkie, [music] I was made aware Crime Junkie, [music] I was made aware Crime Junkie, [music] I was made aware of what was going on behind the scenes, of what was going on behind the scenes, of what was going on behind the scenes, the inside track on what was coming in the inside track on what was coming in the inside track on what was coming in in the investigation, [music] the ransom in the investigation, [music] the ransom in the investigation, [music] the ransom notes that came into the media outlets, notes that came into the media outlets, notes that came into the media outlets, what was being said to me and my team what was being said to me and my team what was being said to me and my team behind the scenes from authorities behind the scenes from authorities behind the scenes from authorities themselves. [music] And at this point, themselves. [music] And at this point, themselves. [music] And at this point, with Nancy still missing, and there with Nancy still missing, and there with Nancy still missing, and there being no arrests, I think you guys being no arrests, I think you guys being no arrests, I think you guys deserve to know everything [music] that deserve to know everything [music] that deserve to know everything [music] that I know, no holding back, unscripted, and I know, no holding back, unscripted, and I know, no holding back, unscripted, and this even includes a possible new theory this even includes a possible new theory this even includes a possible new theory from a retired investigator [music] from a retired investigator [music] from a retired investigator [music] that I think really has legs. So, crime that I think really has legs. So, crime that I think really has legs. So, crime junkies, [music] junkies, [music] junkies, [music] I'm Brianna Whitney, but I am not taking I'm Brianna Whitney, but I am not taking I'm Brianna Whitney, but I am not taking you through this alone. Hi, crime you through this alone. Hi, crime you through this alone. Hi, crime junkies. I'm Ashley Flowers. I am junkies. I'm Ashley Flowers. I am junkies. I'm Ashley Flowers. I am actually excited. This is a rare actually excited. This is a rare actually excited. This is a rare opportunity where I'm I think I'm opportunity where I'm I think I'm opportunity where I'm I think I'm learning stuff along with you guys learning stuff along with you guys learning stuff along with you guys instead of telling them the story. So, I instead of telling them the story. So, I instead of telling them the story. So, I think we have a lot to talk about.

think we have a lot to talk about. think we have a lot to talk about. You're going to bring us some exclusive You're going to bring us some exclusive You're going to bring us some exclusive information on this case that [music] information on this case that [music] information on this case that [music] has had everyone's attention for months. has had everyone's attention for months. has had everyone's attention for months. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, let's just dive in. Let's do it. >> I want to talk about literally >> I want to talk about literally everything. And I know the crime junkies everything. And I know the crime junkies everything. And I know the crime junkies want to learn all the new stuff. I mean, want to learn all the new stuff. I mean, want to learn all the new stuff. I mean, we're we're we're >> I want to learn the new stuff. >> I want to learn the new stuff. >> I want to learn the new stuff. >> I want to tell you the new stuff. And >> I want to tell you the new stuff. And >> I want to tell you the new stuff. And we're going to talk about all the we're going to talk about all the we're going to talk about all the details like the wording, the verbiage details like the wording, the verbiage details like the wording, the verbiage in the ransom notes, why that all plays in the ransom notes, why that all plays in the ransom notes, why that all plays into this brand new theory that I think into this brand new theory that I think into this brand new theory that I think [music] actually has legs from a chief [music] actually has legs from a chief [music] actually has legs from a chief investigator who lives in Colorado. And investigator who lives in Colorado. And investigator who lives in Colorado. And those are two really important things. those are two really important things. those are two really important things. But also, the reason why we're here, But also, the reason why we're here, But also, the reason why we're here, some of this is the fact [music] that some of this is the fact [music] that some of this is the fact [music] that there was so much going on behind the there was so much going on behind the there was so much going on behind the scenes with law enforcement. The way scenes with law enforcement. The way scenes with law enforcement. The way that this was unfolding, some missteps, that this was unfolding, some missteps, that this was unfolding, some missteps, but even things that were said to me, to but even things that were said to me, to but even things that were said to me, to my team, that I've never talked about my team, that I've never talked about my team, that I've never talked about before, that I think just shows [music] before, that I think just shows [music] before, that I think just shows [music] the public why this case has somewhat the public why this case has somewhat the public why this case has somewhat unfolded the way it has. And there's unfolded the way it has. And there's unfolded the way it has. And there's been a lot of frustration, and I get it. been a lot of frustration, and I get it. been a lot of frustration, and I get it. Frustration from me behind the scenes, Frustration from me behind the scenes, Frustration from me behind the scenes, too. [music] So, those three things too. [music] So, those three things too. [music] So, those three things we're going to get into from everybody, we're going to get into from everybody, we're going to get into from everybody, and I know you're learning this in real and I know you're learning this in real and I know you're learning this in real time, too. But I kind of want to just time, too. But I kind of want to just time, too. But I kind of want to just take the crime junkies through what we take the crime junkies through what we take the crime junkies through what we know, what unfolded in the first week in know, what unfolded in the first week in know, what unfolded in the first week in the first people like just in case the first people like just in case the first people like just in case they've been living under a rock for the they've been living under a rock for the they've been living under a rock for the last six months. [music] Like give us last six months. [music] Like give us last six months. [music] Like give us the lay of the land or like we are, you the lay of the land or like we are, you the lay of the land or like we are, you know, we've been somewhere else like know, we've been somewhere else like know, we've been somewhere else like reorient us in this case.

reorient us in this case. reorient us in this case. >> Right. Okay. So it's the end of January, >> Right. Okay. So it's the end of January, >> Right. Okay. So it's the end of January, right? It's winter Arizona and I right? It's winter Arizona and I right? It's winter Arizona and I remember the news alerts coming into our remember the news alerts coming into our remember the news alerts coming into our phones [music] like Savannah Guthy's mom phones [music] like Savannah Guthy's mom phones [music] like Savannah Guthy's mom missing in Tucson. Thought it was weird missing in Tucson. Thought it was weird missing in Tucson. Thought it was weird and I was texting my friends. We were and I was texting my friends. We were and I was texting my friends. We were all like what weird like this is weird, all like what weird like this is weird, all like what weird like this is weird, right? But it was I remember thinking right? But it was I remember thinking right? But it was I remember thinking because you know she was older. I because you know she was older. I because you know she was older. I remember thinking oh she's probably like remember thinking oh she's probably like remember thinking oh she's probably like it's probably like a medical thing or it's probably like a medical thing or it's probably like a medical thing or everyone's like oh I I remember people everyone's like oh I I remember people everyone's like oh I I remember people talking like she wandered off whatever talking like she wandered off whatever talking like she wandered off whatever right and it was also a Sunday so there right and it was also a Sunday so there right and it was also a Sunday so there was like conversation that you know was like conversation that you know was like conversation that you know maybe she was just [music] out enjoying maybe she was just [music] out enjoying maybe she was just [music] out enjoying a walk got confused something like that a walk got confused something like that a walk got confused something like that and we didn't quite know where her and we didn't quite know where her and we didn't quite know where her cognition was at that time but also how cognition was at that time but also how cognition was at that time but also how many times have we seen this that a many times have we seen this that a many times have we seen this that a vulnerable adult goes missing and it vulnerable adult goes missing and it vulnerable adult goes missing and it they're confused they're found something they're confused they're found something they're confused they're found something like that. So, [music] at first we just like that. So, [music] at first we just like that. So, [music] at first we just kind of like, okay, monitoring. It's kind of like, okay, monitoring. It's kind of like, okay, monitoring. It's weird. Yeah, it's weird. We'll check it weird. Yeah, it's weird. We'll check it weird. Yeah, it's weird. We'll check it out. Side note, I had also just gotten out. Side note, I had also just gotten out. Side note, I had also just gotten knee surgery, so I was like barely knee surgery, so I was like barely knee surgery, so I was like barely mobile, so I was not even in a place to mobile, so I was not even in a place to mobile, so I was not even in a place to go to Tucson yet if there was something go to Tucson yet if there was something go to Tucson yet if there was something more. So, I was monitoring it literally more. So, I was monitoring it literally more. So, I was monitoring it literally from my couch. from my couch. from my couch. >> Oh my god. Yeah. So, there's just a lot >> Oh my god. Yeah. So, there's just a lot >> Oh my god. Yeah. So, there's just a lot going on. We get to the news station the going on. We get to the news station the going on. We get to the news station the next day [music] and there it's off.

next day [music] and there it's off. next day [music] and there it's off. Like, there's something off the Like, there's something off the Like, there's something off the >> vibes in the station or >> vibes in the station or >> vibes in the station or >> the vibes with the investigation. The >> the vibes with the investigation. The >> the vibes with the investigation. The sheriff had come out really late at sheriff had come out really late at sheriff had come out really late at night. There was this like impromptu night. There was this like impromptu night. There was this like impromptu press conference outside of Nancy press conference outside of Nancy press conference outside of Nancy Guthri's home. It was late. It was on Guthri's home. It was late. It was on Guthri's home. It was late. It was on cell phones. They had streamed it. You cell phones. They had streamed it. You cell phones. They had streamed it. You could barely hear. It was just odd. It could barely hear. It was just odd. It could barely hear. It was just odd. It was almost like very haphazard. was almost like very haphazard. was almost like very haphazard. >> And that's odd for something like that. >> And that's odd for something like that. >> And that's odd for something like that. >> Trying to get ahead of something, >> Trying to get ahead of something, >> Trying to get ahead of something, >> I think. So, and so, you know, we we >> I think. So, and so, you know, we we >> I think. So, and so, you know, we we start looking into this more. And at start looking into this more. And at start looking into this more. And at this point, they're like, "This is an this point, they're like, "This is an this point, they're like, "This is an investigation. We still don't have a lot investigation. We still don't have a lot investigation. We still don't have a lot of details." And then we learn that of details." And then we learn that of details." And then we learn that [music] there might be evidence that she [music] there might be evidence that she [music] there might be evidence that she was taken. That's where the was taken. That's where the was taken. That's where the investigation really changed in terms of investigation really changed in terms of investigation really changed in terms of [music] this isn't just wandering off. [music] this isn't just wandering off. [music] this isn't just wandering off. There's something more here. There's something more here. There's something more here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then we learned that Savannah had come >> Then we learned that Savannah had come >> Then we learned that Savannah had come back from New York. Obviously, she hosts back from New York. Obviously, she hosts back from New York. Obviously, she hosts the Today Show. [music] And just knowing the Today Show. [music] And just knowing the Today Show. [music] And just knowing what was going on now, this is this is a what was going on now, this is this is a what was going on now, this is this is a weird. So, we started looking more into weird. So, we started looking more into weird. So, we started looking more into the coverage. [music] And at this point the coverage. [music] And at this point the coverage. [music] And at this point now, they confirmed that she was taken now, they confirmed that she was taken now, they confirmed that she was taken from her home in the early morning hours from her home in the early morning hours from her home in the early morning hours of February [music] 1st. That becomes of February [music] 1st. That becomes of February [music] 1st. That becomes important in the timeline to kind of important in the timeline to kind of important in the timeline to kind of keep in mind. The scene is is odd. I got keep in mind. The scene is is odd. I got keep in mind. The scene is is odd. I got there the second [music] day and like there the second [music] day and like there the second [music] day and like actually to her house.

actually to her house. actually to her house. >> To her house. Yes. And just to orient >> To her house. Yes. And just to orient >> To her house. Yes. And just to orient people to this isn't like a super people to this isn't like a super people to this isn't like a super suburban neighborhood where the houses suburban neighborhood where the houses suburban neighborhood where the houses are close together. They're close to the are close together. They're close to the are close together. They're close to the street. [music] Tucson is is very vast. street. [music] Tucson is is very vast. street. [music] Tucson is is very vast. It's very desert. And this is the It's very desert. And this is the It's very desert. And this is the Catalina Foothills area. So these homes Catalina Foothills area. So these homes Catalina Foothills area. So these homes are older. Um they're [music] set back are older. Um they're [music] set back are older. Um they're [music] set back further in the lots. There's a lot of further in the lots. There's a lot of further in the lots. There's a lot of desert brush. There's a lot of cacti. desert brush. There's a lot of cacti. desert brush. There's a lot of cacti. >> So when it's dark in that neighborhood, >> So when it's dark in that neighborhood, >> So when it's dark in that neighborhood, it is dark. There's no street lights. it is dark. There's no street lights. it is dark. There's no street lights. [music] And if you have cameras on your [music] And if you have cameras on your [music] And if you have cameras on your home, they may not be able to see what's home, they may not be able to see what's home, they may not be able to see what's on the street just not only because it's on the street just not only because it's on the street just not only because it's pitch black, but also because they're pitch black, but also because they're pitch black, but also because they're far away from where the street is. far away from where the street is. far away from where the street is. >> Yeah. [music] >> Yeah. [music] >> Yeah. [music] >> So, knowing that she was possibly taken >> So, knowing that she was possibly taken >> So, knowing that she was possibly taken in the middle of the night, it was like, in the middle of the night, it was like, in the middle of the night, it was like, okay, that could be something you could okay, that could be something you could okay, that could be something you could get away with in this [music] get away with in this [music] get away with in this [music] neighborhood. But neighborhood. But neighborhood. But >> weird factor number one, when we got out >> weird factor number one, when we got out >> weird factor number one, when we got out there was the fact that [music] there was the fact that [music] there was the fact that [music] you could walk up to the scene. And I you could walk up to the scene. And I you could walk up to the scene. And I remember thinking this was odd. The Puma remember thinking this was odd. The Puma remember thinking this was odd. The Puma County walk up to the scene. I literally County walk up to the scene. I literally County walk up to the scene. I literally mean the sheriff's department gave us mean the sheriff's department gave us mean the sheriff's department gave us the okay at that time to walk up to the the okay at that time to walk up to the the okay at that time to walk up to the driveway and look at the front door driveway and look at the front door driveway and look at the front door [music] and that became a key in the [music] and that became a key in the [music] and that became a key in the investigation because there were drops investigation because there were drops investigation because there were drops of blood on the front porch [music] and of blood on the front porch [music] and of blood on the front porch [music] and you could very much see what it was and you could very much see what it was and you could very much see what it was and all of a sudden us reporters who were all of a sudden us reporters who were all of a sudden us reporters who were out there are like, "Oh, okay.

out there are like, "Oh, okay. out there are like, "Oh, okay. Something's [music] off here." And not Something's [music] off here." And not Something's [music] off here." And not just that, did they not see the blood? just that, did they not see the blood? just that, did they not see the blood? They did. They did. But at that point, They did. They did. But at that point, They did. They did. But at that point, the Pima County Sheriff's Department the Pima County Sheriff's Department the Pima County Sheriff's Department said, "We're investigating. We've said, "We're investigating. We've said, "We're investigating. We've collected all the evidence. The scene collected all the evidence. The scene collected all the evidence. The scene [music] is secure. So, it's clear. They [music] is secure. So, it's clear. They [music] is secure. So, it's clear. They said just don't go into the back. said just don't go into the back. said just don't go into the back. >> Secure or release? Like they were >> Secure or release? Like they were >> Secure or release? Like they were they've released the scene. they've released the scene. they've released the scene. >> They they did release the scene. Okay. >> They they did release the scene. Okay. >> They they did release the scene. Okay. Yes. So, there was all they had Yes. So, there was all they had Yes. So, there was all they had basically at that point was sheriff's basically at that point was sheriff's basically at that point was sheriff's deputies were kind of like [music] going deputies were kind of like [music] going deputies were kind of like [music] going back up and down the street at this back up and down the street at this back up and down the street at this point now. There's a lot of media that point now. There's a lot of media that point now. There's a lot of media that had gotten there. They just said don't had gotten there. They just said don't had gotten there. They just said don't go to the backyard, which we wouldn't do go to the backyard, which we wouldn't do go to the backyard, which we wouldn't do anyway. So, [music] I remember thinking anyway. So, [music] I remember thinking anyway. So, [music] I remember thinking that was kind of odd. Like, why are we that was kind of odd. Like, why are we that was kind of odd. Like, why are we allowed on this already if she's still allowed on this already if she's still allowed on this already if she's still missing? It's only been a couple days at missing? It's only been a couple days at missing? It's only been a couple days at this point. [music] But the other key this point. [music] But the other key this point. [music] But the other key thing about that was the the Nest video thing about that was the the Nest video thing about that was the the Nest video camera was gone. And [music] camera was gone. And [music] camera was gone. And [music] >> obviously you're thinking, well, what >> obviously you're thinking, well, what >> obviously you're thinking, well, what did that catch, right? And [music] was did that catch, right? And [music] was did that catch, right? And [music] was it stored in like a cloud where they it stored in like a cloud where they it stored in like a cloud where they could access the video? So that's all could access the video? So that's all could access the video? So that's all going on and then the ransom notes going on and then the ransom notes going on and then the ransom notes [music] happen. [music] happen. [music] happen. This is a weird case, right? Like this This is a weird case, right? Like this This is a weird case, right? Like this is all weird. We've got a grandma who's is all weird. We've got a grandma who's is all weird. We've got a grandma who's abducted or taken. [music] abducted or taken. [music] abducted or taken. [music] We have blood on the ground. we have a We have blood on the ground. we have a We have blood on the ground. we have a missing surveillance camera and then missing surveillance camera and then missing surveillance camera and then [music] [music] [music] these ransom notes start coming in and these ransom notes start coming in and these ransom notes start coming in and it was like it was like it was like >> how soon after did they like >> how soon after did they like >> how soon after did they like >> just a few days just a few days it was >> just a few days just a few days it was >> just a few days just a few days it was in the first week of the investigation in the first week of the investigation in the first week of the investigation so like this is unfolding like each day so like this is unfolding like each day so like this is unfolding like each day there's something new right so just a there's something new right so just a there's something new right so just a couple days later ransom [music] notes couple days later ransom [music] notes couple days later ransom [music] notes go into TMZ and then the Tucson station go into TMZ and then the Tucson station go into TMZ and then the Tucson station that was a sister station to the Phoenix that was a sister station to the Phoenix that was a sister station to the Phoenix station I worked at station I worked at station I worked at that upped the ante of everything

that upped the ante of everything that upped the ante of everything [music] because it gave two deadlines [music] because it gave two deadlines [music] because it gave two deadlines demanding millions of dollars in [music] demanding millions of dollars in [music] demanding millions of dollars in [music] Bitcoin. So now you're like, "Okay, Bitcoin. So now you're like, "Okay, Bitcoin. So now you're like, "Okay, wait, what's going to go on?" And I want wait, what's going to go on?" And I want wait, what's going to go on?" And I want to get into what the ransom note said. to get into what the ransom note said. to get into what the ransom note said. Ransom note number one and two, but Ransom note number one and two, but Ransom note number one and two, but that's what a press [music] conference that's what a press [music] conference that's what a press [music] conference was called. The only press conference, was called. The only press conference, was called. The only press conference, by the way, that we've had in this by the way, that we've had in this by the way, that we've had in this investigation since it [music] all investigation since it [music] all investigation since it [music] all started. started. started. >> And that's where we learned there was a >> And that's where we learned there was a >> And that's where we learned there was a a 5:00 p.m. deadline on that Thursday. a 5:00 p.m. deadline on that Thursday. a 5:00 p.m. deadline on that Thursday. [music] There was another deadline on [music] There was another deadline on [music] There was another deadline on that Monday and it started with $4 that Monday and it started with $4 that Monday and it started with $4 million in Bitcoin demanded for day one. million in Bitcoin demanded for day one. million in Bitcoin demanded for day one. And if you didn't meet that, then And if you didn't meet that, then And if you didn't meet that, then [music] it was $6 million demanded for [music] it was $6 million demanded for [music] it was $6 million demanded for the next one. So now there's a ticking the next one. So now there's a ticking the next one. So now there's a ticking time clock as to what's going to happen. time clock as to what's going to happen. time clock as to what's going to happen. >> Wa. [music] >> Wa. [music] >> Wa. [music] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wa. I want to talk about the ransom note >> Wa. I want to talk about the ransom note >> Wa. I want to talk about the ransom note with you. And I'm going through my with you. And I'm going through my with you. And I'm going through my computer just to make sure that I get computer just to make sure that I get computer just to make sure that I get this all right. There's been bits of this all right. There's been bits of this all right. There's been bits of this that have been talked about online. this that have been talked about online. this that have been talked about online. There's been parts that people know, but There's been parts that people know, but There's been parts that people know, but I don't think they know all of the I don't think they know all of the I don't think they know all of the verbiage. And I think this is very verbiage. And I think this is very verbiage. And I think this is very important because it sets the tone for important because it sets the tone for important because it sets the tone for what was about to come. So I'm going to what was about to come. So I'm going to what was about to come. So I'm going to read you part of it. This is how it read you part of it. This is how it read you part of it. This is how it started. [music] started. [music] started. [music] Hello Savannah. We have your mother Hello Savannah. We have your mother Hello Savannah. We have your mother Nancy. She is safe but scared. She will Nancy. She is safe but scared. She will Nancy. She is safe but scared. She will be held for ransom and once payment is be held for ransom and once payment is be held for ransom and once payment is received she will be released unharmed.

received she will be released unharmed. received she will be released unharmed. We will be holding her for a [music] We will be holding her for a [music] We will be holding her for a [music] maximum of 7 days. maximum of 7 days. maximum of 7 days. So they go on then to demand the [music] So they go on then to demand the [music] So they go on then to demand the [music] the millions of dollars and they give the millions of dollars and they give the millions of dollars and they give the two deadlines. But what is key here the two deadlines. But what is key here the two deadlines. But what is key here I think [music] is that the money was I think [music] is that the money was I think [music] is that the money was demanded in USD. So US dollar typically demanded in USD. So US dollar typically demanded in USD. So US dollar typically if this is coming from somebody here you if this is coming from somebody here you if this is coming from somebody here you don't say that. don't say that. don't say that. >> You don't say that which [music] is key >> You don't say that which [music] is key >> You don't say that which [music] is key for this theory we're going to talk for this theory we're going to talk for this theory we're going to talk about later in the episode. about later in the episode. about later in the episode. >> So they're saying they will only hold >> So they're saying they will only hold >> So they're saying they will only hold her for 7 days. her for 7 days. her for 7 days. >> For 7 days, right? [music] Then they get >> For 7 days, right? [music] Then they get >> For 7 days, right? [music] Then they get pretty demanding and snarky with how pretty demanding and snarky with how pretty demanding and snarky with how they address Savannah. And mind you, they address Savannah. And mind you, they address Savannah. And mind you, that's also important, right? They're that's also important, right? They're that's also important, right? They're addressing just Savannah. They don't say addressing just Savannah. They don't say addressing just Savannah. They don't say the Guthrie family. Hello Savannah, we the Guthrie family. Hello Savannah, we the Guthrie family. Hello Savannah, we have your mother. We always wondered if have your mother. We always wondered if have your mother. We always wondered if it was like about who she was or or did it was like about who she was or or did it was like about who she was or or did they just happen upon her not knowing they just happen upon her not knowing they just happen upon her not knowing that it was going to garner this that it was going to garner this that it was going to garner this attention, [music] but it seems like attention, [music] but it seems like attention, [music] but it seems like this was about or they at least like not this was about or they at least like not this was about or they at least like not necessarily about Savannah Vana, but necessarily about Savannah Vana, but necessarily about Savannah Vana, but they knew Savannah had money. they knew Savannah had money. they knew Savannah had money. >> Yes. At [music] a minimum, >> Yes. At [music] a minimum, >> Yes. At [music] a minimum, >> I think. So, Savannah, I believe, was >> I think. So, Savannah, I believe, was >> I think. So, Savannah, I believe, was obviously, you know, the target of where obviously, you know, the target of where obviously, you know, the target of where we would get the money from if you were we would get the money from if you were we would get the money from if you were the person who was targeting this. And I the person who was targeting this. And I the person who was targeting this. And I think there's a reason maybe why they think there's a reason maybe why they think there's a reason maybe why they [music] they targeted her. I'll get into [music] they targeted her. I'll get into [music] they targeted her. I'll get into that, too. Okay. I'm going to read you that, too. Okay. I'm going to read you that, too. Okay. I'm going to read you three more parts of this ransom note, three more parts of this ransom note, three more parts of this ransom note, and then we'll kind of talk about it and then we'll kind of talk about it and then we'll kind of talk about it after. So, this is what it [music] went after. So, this is what it [music] went after. So, this is what it [music] went on to say. Once payment is received to on to say. Once payment is received to on to say. Once payment is received to the Bitcoin address below, she will be the Bitcoin address below, she will be the Bitcoin address below, she will be released within [music] 12 hours of released within [music] 12 hours of released within [music] 12 hours of deposit to a safe drop off location back deposit to a safe drop off location back deposit to a safe drop off location back in Tucson. If the payment is not in Tucson. If the payment is not in Tucson. If the payment is not received by the last deadline on Monday received by the last deadline on Monday received by the last deadline on Monday the 9th at 5:00 [music] p.m., she will the 9th at 5:00 [music] p.m., she will the 9th at 5:00 [music] p.m., she will be killed. Your mother is aware of this be killed. Your mother is aware of this be killed. Your mother is aware of this and her life is in your hands. [music]

and her life is in your hands. [music] and her life is in your hands. [music] It is in the best interest of everyone It is in the best interest of everyone It is in the best interest of everyone to have this completed as soon as to have this completed as soon as to have this completed as soon as possible. possible. possible. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> You will not be able to contact me from >> You will not be able to contact me from >> You will not be able to contact me from here on out. There will be no here on out. There will be no here on out. There will be no negotiation. [music] Do not play games. negotiation. [music] Do not play games. negotiation. [music] Do not play games. Law enforcement will not be able to help Law enforcement will not be able to help Law enforcement will not be able to help you. Oh my god. And then at the very you. Oh my god. And then at the very you. Oh my god. And then at the very end, they basically give what we learned end, they basically give what we learned end, they basically give what we learned in in the press conference at the time in in the press conference at the time in in the press conference at the time that there was something only the that there was something only the that there was something only the abductor would know, which was [music] abductor would know, which was [music] abductor would know, which was [music] she had a white smartwatch that was on she had a white smartwatch that was on she had a white smartwatch that was on the floor near her bed, like at the foot the floor near her bed, like at the foot the floor near her bed, like at the foot of [music] her bed, and then there was of [music] her bed, and then there was of [music] her bed, and then there was this flood light that was destroyed in this flood light that was destroyed in this flood light that was destroyed in the backyard. So those two clues are the backyard. So those two clues are the backyard. So those two clues are what gave the FBI kind of the what gave the FBI kind of the what gave the FBI kind of the wherewithal to say this is not a hoax. wherewithal to say this is not a hoax. wherewithal to say this is not a hoax. At least they didn't think so or they At least they didn't think so or they At least they didn't think so or they were investigating it as possibly were investigating it as possibly were investigating it as possibly legitimate. They still [music] are by legitimate. They still [music] are by legitimate. They still [music] are by the way. Probably also why they kept you the way. Probably also why they kept you the way. Probably also why they kept you guys out of the backyard, right? They guys out of the backyard, right? They guys out of the backyard, right? They don't want anyone reporting of course don't want anyone reporting of course don't want anyone reporting of course about the light. Okay. And so there was about the light. Okay. And so there was about the light. Okay. And so there was this there was like a Bitcoin wallet and this there was like a Bitcoin wallet and this there was like a Bitcoin wallet and address that was at the bottom of this address that was at the bottom of this address that was at the bottom of this that would be where you would deposit that would be where you would deposit that would be where you would deposit the funds. [music] And I think something the funds. [music] And I think something the funds. [music] And I think something that I took away from reading this right that I took away from reading this right that I took away from reading this right off the bat was that you will not hear off the bat was that you will not hear off the bat was that you will not hear from me. like they were cutting off from me. like they were cutting off from me. like they were cutting off communication. It was just like pay communication. It was just like pay communication. It was just like pay this.

this. this. >> We're going back and forth. We want we >> We're going back and forth. We want we >> We're going back and forth. We want we want money. I've told you exactly what want money. I've told you exactly what want money. I've told you exactly what we want. we want. we want. >> Exactly. The other part that I think is >> Exactly. The other part that I think is >> Exactly. The other part that I think is really interesting here because again, really interesting here because again, really interesting here because again, we have no idea where Nancy [music] is, we have no idea where Nancy [music] is, we have no idea where Nancy [music] is, went, where she went, where she is. The went, where she went, where she is. The went, where she went, where she is. The specific verbiage of once they get the specific verbiage of once they get the specific verbiage of once they get the money, she will be released to a [music] money, she will be released to a [music] money, she will be released to a [music] safe drop off location back in Tucson, safe drop off location back in Tucson, safe drop off location back in Tucson, >> indicating she's not in Tucson. >> indicating she's not in Tucson. >> indicating she's not in Tucson. >> That's what I think. Now, [music] could >> That's what I think. Now, [music] could >> That's what I think. Now, [music] could it be right outside Tucson? Very it be right outside Tucson? Very it be right outside Tucson? Very possible. Very early on, people thought possible. Very early on, people thought possible. Very early on, people thought that maybe she could have been taken that maybe she could have been taken that maybe she could have been taken down to Mexico. The border is very close down to Mexico. The border is very close down to Mexico. The border is very close there. It's easy to access. [music] there. It's easy to access. [music] there. It's easy to access. [music] That's possible, too. But I mean, this That's possible, too. But I mean, this That's possible, too. But I mean, this was pretty serious. And I think too, was pretty serious. And I think too, was pretty serious. And I think too, just like taking that tone of like, do just like taking that tone of like, do just like taking that tone of like, do not play games. Law enforcement will not not play games. Law enforcement will not not play games. Law enforcement will not help you. I mean, can you imagine help you. I mean, can you imagine help you. I mean, can you imagine reading this? reading this? reading this? >> Well, I mean you I would imagine they'd >> Well, I mean you I would imagine they'd >> Well, I mean you I would imagine they'd have to get out of Tucson. Like they have to get out of Tucson. Like they have to get out of Tucson. Like they know again if if they if they knew who know again if if they if they knew who know again if if they if they knew who they were abducting, they [music] were they were abducting, they [music] were they were abducting, they [music] were they knew she was Savannah Guthri's mom. they knew she was Savannah Guthri's mom. they knew she was Savannah Guthri's mom. you know that there is going to be a you know that there is going to be a you know that there is going to be a massive police press presence as soon massive police press presence as soon massive police press presence as soon [music] as as soon as this happens. [music] as as soon as this happens. [music] as as soon as this happens. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So that comes in and at first you know >> So that comes in and at first you know >> So that comes in and at first you know they gave that to the FBI to the they gave that to the FBI to the they gave that to the FBI to the authorities to the Puma County Sheriff's authorities to the Puma County Sheriff's authorities to the Puma County Sheriff's Department [music] and and at that point Department [music] and and at that point Department [music] and and at that point too is kind of where we were learning too is kind of where we were learning too is kind of where we were learning what the split was between what the Puma what the split was between what the Puma what the split was between what the Puma County Sheriff's Department was handling County Sheriff's Department was handling County Sheriff's Department was handling [music] and what the FBI was handling.

[music] and what the FBI was handling. [music] and what the FBI was handling. So it seemed that as the investigation So it seemed that as the investigation So it seemed that as the investigation unfolded that that kind of got a little unfolded that that kind of got a little unfolded that that kind of got a little blurry. The FBI was definitely not blurry. The FBI was definitely not blurry. The FBI was definitely not pleased [music] about the scene being pleased [music] about the scene being pleased [music] about the scene being released to all of us. Why? Because they released to all of us. Why? Because they released to all of us. Why? Because they needed to go in and check what other needed to go in and check what other needed to go in and check what other evidence there was that possibly could evidence there was that possibly could evidence there was that possibly could lend itself to what now was coming lend itself to what now was coming lend itself to what now was coming [music] in digitally. So, what ended up [music] in digitally. So, what ended up [music] in digitally. So, what ended up really playing out was the Pima County really playing out was the Pima County really playing out was the Pima County Sheriff's Department was more so in Sheriff's Department was more so in Sheriff's Department was more so in charge of the like on the ground charge of the like on the ground charge of the like on the ground investigation, the scene itself, [music] investigation, the scene itself, [music] investigation, the scene itself, [music] kind of that the FBI was the go-to for kind of that the FBI was the go-to for kind of that the FBI was the go-to for everything. ransom note, digital everything. ransom note, digital everything. ransom note, digital tracking, [music] like all of that that tracking, [music] like all of that that tracking, [music] like all of that that you would think the FBI would be totally you would think the FBI would be totally you would think the FBI would be totally involved in. And that became key here. involved in. And that became key here. involved in. And that became key here. So, they have this press conference So, they have this press conference So, they have this press conference that's where they reveal these deadlines that's where they reveal these deadlines that's where they reveal these deadlines [music] [music] [music] to us and we're like, okay, what's going to us and we're like, okay, what's going to us and we're like, okay, what's going to happen? Are they going to Yeah, what to happen? Are they going to Yeah, what to happen? Are they going to Yeah, what now? Are they going to [music] now? Are they going to [music] now? Are they going to [music] >> put money into this? And at this point >> put money into this? And at this point >> put money into this? And at this point now, there's a reward that's also, you now, there's a reward that's also, you now, there's a reward that's also, you know, please come forward for know, please come forward for know, please come forward for information. February 9th was that information. February 9th was that information. February 9th was that [music] like next deadline. And then [music] like next deadline. And then [music] like next deadline. And then February 10th is the most pivotal day in February 10th is the most pivotal day in February 10th is the most pivotal day in [music] the investigation. That is when [music] the investigation. That is when [music] the investigation. That is when the Nest video camera was released by the Nest video camera was released by the Nest video camera was released by the [music] FBI. So, they had been going the [music] FBI. So, they had been going the [music] FBI. So, they had been going through trying to mine what they could through trying to mine what they could through trying to mine what they could that was on that camera. [music] Shane that was on that camera. [music] Shane that was on that camera. [music] Shane and I were heading down to Tucson and I were heading down to Tucson and I were heading down to Tucson because we had gotten a tip, an insider because we had gotten a tip, an insider because we had gotten a tip, an insider saying, "Hey, [music] the FBI is going saying, "Hey, [music] the FBI is going saying, "Hey, [music] the FBI is going to release this. Like, director Cash to release this. Like, director Cash to release this. Like, director Cash Patel is going to put this on his ex Patel is going to put this on his ex Patel is going to put this on his ex account, his Twitter account. That is account, his Twitter account. That is account, his Twitter account. That is how they released this video." [music] how they released this video." [music] how they released this video." [music] And so, we're like scrolling, scrolling, And so, we're like scrolling, scrolling, And so, we're like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, monitoring, monitoring.

scrolling, monitoring, monitoring. scrolling, monitoring, monitoring. >> It's kind of crazy. >> It's kind of crazy. >> It's kind of crazy. >> It I [music] know. >> It I [music] know. >> It I [music] know. >> Okay. Right. Yeah. Right. So, I'm like >> Okay. Right. Yeah. Right. So, I'm like >> Okay. Right. Yeah. Right. So, I'm like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. We're scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. We're scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. We're [music] on our way to Tucson. The video [music] on our way to Tucson. The video [music] on our way to Tucson. The video drops and when I tell you I'm watching drops and when I tell you I'm watching drops and when I tell you I'm watching these clips and [music] it is so brazen these clips and [music] it is so brazen these clips and [music] it is so brazen the way that this person [music] the way that this person [music] the way that this person [music] gets to the home that it like sent gets to the home that it like sent gets to the home that it like sent chills down my spine. Like, you're chills down my spine. Like, you're chills down my spine. Like, you're looking at this and you're like, "Oh, oh looking at this and you're like, "Oh, oh looking at this and you're like, "Oh, oh my god." Like, this is what you see in a my god." Like, this is what you see in a my god." Like, this is what you see in a horror movie. This is not real life. horror movie. This is not real life. horror movie. This is not real life. [music] And this I've thought this the [music] And this I've thought this the [music] And this I've thought this the whole time, too. This would be a crazy whole time, too. This would be a crazy whole time, too. This would be a crazy story no matter whose grandma this was, story no matter whose grandma this was, story no matter whose grandma this was, right? [music] Like grandma is abducted. right? [music] Like grandma is abducted. right? [music] Like grandma is abducted. We now have this insane video of this We now have this insane video of this We now have this insane video of this guy who is in a ski mask. He's got like guy who is in a ski mask. He's got like guy who is in a ski mask. He's got like something in his pocket. [music] He's something in his pocket. [music] He's something in his pocket. [music] He's got a backpack and he gets up to the got a backpack and he gets up to the got a backpack and he gets up to the camera like face in the camera and he's camera like face in the camera and he's camera like face in the camera and he's got this like shrubbery. He's either got this like shrubbery. He's either got this like shrubbery. He's either trying to like hide it. trying to like hide it. trying to like hide it. >> What was that? People like dissected >> What was that? People like dissected >> What was that? People like dissected this video. this video. this video. >> Oh my god. [music] >> Oh my god. [music] >> Oh my god. [music] >> 10 Ways of Sunday. Like it was wild. >> 10 Ways of Sunday. Like it was wild. >> 10 Ways of Sunday. Like it was wild. >> Yes. How did he walk his gate? Could you >> Yes. How did he walk his gate? Could you >> Yes. How did he walk his gate? Could you tell the backpack? [music] tell the backpack? [music] tell the backpack? [music] >> The backpack? Yeah. Yeah. So, we still >> The backpack? Yeah. Yeah. So, we still >> The backpack? Yeah. Yeah. So, we still don't really know the shrubbery. Some don't really know the shrubbery. Some don't really know the shrubbery. Some people say it was to like try to cover people say it was to like try to cover people say it was to like try to cover it up, but he knew it was there. Another it up, but he knew it was there. Another it up, but he knew it was there. Another theory that I've heard is maybe he was theory that I've heard is maybe he was theory that I've heard is maybe he was using that to try [music] to like get it using that to try [music] to like get it using that to try [music] to like get it off the thing, like use the the plants off the thing, like use the the plants off the thing, like use the the plants to get it off the like to get it off the like to get it off the like >> Oh. Like, when you guys went to the to >> Oh. Like, when you guys went to the to >> Oh. Like, when you guys went to the to the scene that that first time and you the scene that that first time and you the scene that that first time and you showed up, did you think at all that showed up, did you think at all that showed up, did you think at all that like the police took [music] the nest like the police took [music] the nest like the police took [music] the nest cam as part of their evidence collection cam as part of their evidence collection cam as part of their evidence collection or was it like clear that somebody like or was it like clear that somebody like or was it like clear that somebody like ripped that off? At first it was ripped that off? At first it was ripped that off? At first it was possible, but it seemed odd,

possible, but it seemed odd, possible, but it seemed odd, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It seemed odd because you knew like in >> It seemed odd because you knew like in >> It seemed odd because you knew like in this day and age 2026, [music] right? this day and age 2026, [music] right? this day and age 2026, [music] right? Like the physical camera, Like the physical camera, Like the physical camera, >> but that's what seems odd about them >> but that's what seems odd about them >> but that's what seems odd about them taking it. taking it. taking it. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> It's like what what's the point of >> It's like what what's the point of >> It's like what what's the point of taking it? Everything's in the class. taking it? Everything's in the class. taking it? Everything's in the class. >> Maybe they didn't know. And honestly, >> Maybe they didn't know. And honestly, >> Maybe they didn't know. And honestly, and I'm going to get more into this, but and I'm going to get more into this, but and I'm going to get more into this, but like [music] the the criminal like [music] the the criminal like [music] the the criminal sophistication of this the kidnapper sophistication of this the kidnapper sophistication of this the kidnapper >> I was scared out. Yeah. >> I was scared out. Yeah. >> I was scared out. Yeah. >> It it might be a little lower than >> It it might be a little lower than >> It it might be a little lower than people think. Okay. So, we'll get into people think. Okay. So, we'll get into people think. Okay. So, we'll get into that, but from now on, I'm going to that, but from now on, I'm going to that, but from now on, I'm going to refer to him as porch guy [music] refer to him as porch guy [music] refer to him as porch guy [music] because that is how he has basically because that is how he has basically because that is how he has basically become known on social media is porch become known on social media is porch become known on social media is porch guy who's seen in the video, right? This guy who's seen in the video, right? This guy who's seen in the video, right? This brazen video and and we don't know how brazen video and and we don't know how brazen video and and we don't know how it ends. We only know when he goes in. it ends. We only know when he goes in. it ends. We only know when he goes in. So, we can tell when the camera system So, we can tell when the camera system So, we can tell when the camera system was accessed, [music] which was was accessed, [music] which was was accessed, [music] which was overnight. He goes in, that's then overnight. He goes in, that's then overnight. He goes in, that's then disconnected, still overnight. And then disconnected, still overnight. And then disconnected, still overnight. And then really the last trace of anything we really the last trace of anything we really the last trace of anything we have is when NY's pacemaker disconnected have is when NY's pacemaker disconnected have is when NY's pacemaker disconnected [music] shortly after that. So, she had [music] shortly after that. So, she had [music] shortly after that. So, she had a pacemaker. And that was part of this, a pacemaker. And that was part of this, a pacemaker. And that was part of this, too. Like obviously we're talking about too. Like obviously we're talking about too. Like obviously we're talking about vulnerable and frail. As the vulnerable and frail. As the vulnerable and frail. As the investigation is unfolding, the FBI and investigation is unfolding, the FBI and investigation is unfolding, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department is the Pima County Sheriff's Department is the Pima County Sheriff's Department is like, "Look, she had a pacemaker. She like, "Look, she had a pacemaker. She like, "Look, she had a pacemaker. She had a very serious heart condition. She had a very serious heart condition. She had a very serious heart condition. She really couldn't walk more than a couple really couldn't walk more than a couple really couldn't walk more than a couple steps on her own. So like she did not steps on her own. So like she did not steps on her own. So like she did not just up and walk out of her house." And just up and walk out of her house." And just up and walk out of her house." And then you're looking at the blood then you're looking at the blood then you're looking at the blood droplets and you're thinking, droplets and you're thinking, droplets and you're thinking, >> I mean, it kind of looked like almost >> I mean, it kind of looked like almost >> I mean, it kind of looked like almost like a bloody nose was dripping. I've like a bloody nose was dripping. I've like a bloody nose was dripping. I've also heard that potentially like was she also heard that potentially like was she also heard that potentially like was she bleeding from an injury and it dripped bleeding from an injury and it dripped bleeding from an injury and it dripped off her arm like onto the the concrete?

off her arm like onto the the concrete? off her arm like onto the the concrete? The other hope at that point was, well, The other hope at that point was, well, The other hope at that point was, well, let's hope [music] that this guy's DNA let's hope [music] that this guy's DNA let's hope [music] that this guy's DNA is in the blood, too. And it wasn't. It is in the blood, too. And it wasn't. It is in the blood, too. And it wasn't. It was just Nancy Guthri's DNA. [music] was just Nancy Guthri's DNA. [music] was just Nancy Guthri's DNA. [music] >> So, you have that. And I thought, >> So, you have that. And I thought, >> So, you have that. And I thought, looking at the video, I thought [music] looking at the video, I thought [music] looking at the video, I thought [music] >> if if you were walking in a ski mask, I >> if if you were walking in a ski mask, I >> if if you were walking in a ski mask, I would know it was you would know it was you would know it was you >> through and through, right? Like, if >> through and through, right? Like, if >> through and through, right? Like, if you're a friend or you know this person, you're a friend or you know this person, you're a friend or you know this person, >> you're going to know who they are with >> you're going to know who they are with >> you're going to know who they are with the ski mask on or not. You're going to the ski mask on or not. You're going to the ski mask on or not. You're going to know the way that they walk. know the way that they walk. know the way that they walk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I thought, "Okay, great. We're >> And I thought, "Okay, great. We're >> And I thought, "Okay, great. We're getting somewhere. We're going to figure getting somewhere. We're going to figure getting somewhere. We're going to figure out who this is really quick. out who this is really quick. out who this is really quick. >> Start the clock. >> Start the clock. >> Start the clock. >> Start the clock. And here we are 6 >> Start the clock. And here we are 6 >> Start the clock. And here we are 6 months later. months later. months later. >> We still don't know who Porch Guy is. >> We still don't know who Porch Guy is. >> We still don't know who Porch Guy is. Which [music] is crazy. The other thing Which [music] is crazy. The other thing Which [music] is crazy. The other thing that was really unsettling about the that was really unsettling about the that was really unsettling about the videos that came out later was that we videos that came out later was that we videos that came out later was that we [music] learned that authorities were [music] learned that authorities were [music] learned that authorities were like, "Hey neighbors, check your like, "Hey neighbors, check your like, "Hey neighbors, check your surveillance [music] video not only for surveillance [music] video not only for surveillance [music] video not only for the night of the January 31st into the night of the January 31st into the night of the January 31st into February 1st, but also January 11th." February 1st, but also January 11th." February 1st, but also January 11th." [music] That was weird. And we still [music] That was weird. And we still [music] That was weird. And we still don't really know why that is an don't really know why that is an don't really know why that is an investigative date in this case. [music] investigative date in this case. [music] investigative date in this case. [music] It is possible that the videos that Cash It is possible that the videos that Cash It is possible that the videos that Cash Patel put out that one of them was Patel put out that one of them was Patel put out that one of them was actually from a couple weeks [music] actually from a couple weeks [music] actually from a couple weeks [music] before she vanished. And there's been before she vanished. And there's been before she vanished. And there's been some dissection online of whether that's some dissection online of whether that's some dissection online of whether that's the case or not. It is possible that the case or not. It is possible that the case or not. It is possible that Porsche Guy was casing out the area, the Porsche Guy was casing out the area, the Porsche Guy was casing out the area, the house [music] before he actually carried house [music] before he actually carried house [music] before he actually carried out the abduction. Interesting.

out the abduction. Interesting. out the abduction. Interesting. >> So, here we are, right? We've I [music] >> So, here we are, right? We've I [music] >> So, here we are, right? We've I [music] mean, crazy week. We got deduction. We mean, crazy week. We got deduction. We mean, crazy week. We got deduction. We got ransom note. We got press got ransom note. We got press got ransom note. We got press conference. We've got video. Boom. conference. We've got video. Boom. conference. We've got video. Boom. Ransom note number two. [music] And Ransom note number two. [music] And Ransom note number two. [music] And ransom note number two had a ransom note number two had a ransom note number two had a significantly different tone than ransom significantly different tone than ransom significantly different tone than ransom note number one. note number one. note number one. >> And by the time you get ransom note >> And by the time you get ransom note >> And by the time you get ransom note number two, have any of the deadlines number two, have any of the deadlines number two, have any of the deadlines passed or all of them or? passed or all of them or? passed or all of them or? >> I believe it was in the middle. Okay. >> I believe it was in the middle. Okay. >> I believe it was in the middle. Okay. >> Of them. So I think there was still like >> Of them. So I think there was still like >> Of them. So I think there was still like we you were still going to be able to we you were still going to be able to we you were still going to be able to get to [music] the second deadline. get to [music] the second deadline. get to [music] the second deadline. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But I want to read to you what this >> But I want to read to you what this >> But I want to read to you what this [music] said. And and I guess actually [music] said. And and I guess actually [music] said. And and I guess actually before I read it, Savannah Guthrie and before I read it, Savannah Guthrie and before I read it, Savannah Guthrie and her siblings had been very outspoken at her siblings had been very outspoken at her siblings had been very outspoken at this point on social media. She was this point on social media. She was this point on social media. She was using Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook, using Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook, using Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook, basically putting out these like basically putting out these like basically putting out these like pleading videos like, "We want our pleading videos like, "We want our pleading videos like, "We want our mother back. What can we do? Please show mother back. What can we do? Please show mother back. What can we do? Please show us proof of life." Proof of life becomes us proof of life." Proof of life becomes us proof of life." Proof of life becomes a huge part of this whole thing, right? a huge part of this whole thing, right? a huge part of this whole thing, right? If you can show that you have Nancy If you can show that you have Nancy If you can show that you have Nancy Guthrie and proof of life, then we'll Guthrie and proof of life, then we'll Guthrie and proof of life, then we'll they'll pay, right? And and they they'll pay, right? And and they they'll pay, right? And and they eventually offer also over a million eventually offer also over a million eventually offer also over a million dollars. I mean, they they want Nancy dollars. I mean, they they want Nancy dollars. I mean, they they want Nancy back. So [music] that's what they were back. So [music] that's what they were back. So [music] that's what they were waiting for. But obviously you're not waiting for. But obviously you're not waiting for. But obviously you're not going to willy-nilly put money into a going to willy-nilly put money into a going to willy-nilly put money into a Bitcoin wallet without proof of life Bitcoin wallet without proof of life Bitcoin wallet without proof of life that [music] this person actually has that [music] this person actually has that [music] this person actually has Nancy.

Nancy. Nancy. >> Yeah. So ransom note number two, I've >> Yeah. So ransom note number two, I've >> Yeah. So ransom note number two, I've actually revealed a lot of the details actually revealed a lot of the details actually revealed a lot of the details on our Crime Junkie social media pages on our Crime Junkie social media pages on our Crime Junkie social media pages just a couple weeks ago. And the reason just a couple weeks ago. And the reason just a couple weeks ago. And the reason why was because inside sources were why was because inside sources were why was because inside sources were giving media networks and [music] giving media networks and [music] giving media networks and [music] outlets like bits and pieces of ransom outlets like bits and pieces of ransom outlets like bits and pieces of ransom note number two. They were reporting it note number two. They were reporting it note number two. They were reporting it and I was like at this point people just and I was like at this point people just and I was like at this point people just need to know what it [music] said. need to know what it [music] said. need to know what it [music] said. >> Yeah. But for those who haven't heard >> Yeah. But for those who haven't heard >> Yeah. But for those who haven't heard it, this is the verbiage that's in it, this is the verbiage that's in it, this is the verbiage that's in ransom note number two. We did not fully ransom note number two. We did not fully ransom note number two. We did not fully grasp the seriousness [music] of her grasp the seriousness [music] of her grasp the seriousness [music] of her physical conditions. We never intended physical conditions. We never intended physical conditions. We never intended to hurt her. That was not our intention. to hurt her. That was not our intention. to hurt her. That was not our intention. She perished shortly after she was She perished shortly after she was She perished shortly after she was taken. We believe it was heartrelated. taken. We believe it was heartrelated. taken. We believe it was heartrelated. She is buried in nature now. Nothing you She is buried in nature now. Nothing you She is buried in nature now. Nothing you could have done could have changed the could have done could have changed the could have done could have changed the outcome. [music] We are truly sorry. And outcome. [music] We are truly sorry. And outcome. [music] We are truly sorry. And there was a lot of debate back and forth there was a lot of debate back and forth there was a lot of debate back and forth online on whether there was an apology online on whether there was an apology online on whether there was an apology or not. there 100% was at the very end or not. there 100% was at the very end or not. there 100% was at the very end of this. So obviously the tone has of this. So obviously the tone has of this. So obviously the tone has completely changed, right? [music] completely changed, right? [music] completely changed, right? [music] Yeah. And clearly at this point, if Yeah. And clearly at this point, if Yeah. And clearly at this point, if these are true, [music] in week one of these are true, [music] in week one of these are true, [music] in week one of this investigation, Nancy Guthrie had this investigation, Nancy Guthrie had this investigation, Nancy Guthrie had died. Now obviously they're trying to, died. Now obviously they're trying to, died. Now obviously they're trying to, you know, divert [music] any blame from you know, divert [music] any blame from you know, divert [music] any blame from them like, hey, it was her health and we them like, hey, it was her health and we them like, hey, it was her health and we didn't know that. So we're not culpable.

didn't know that. So we're not culpable. didn't know that. So we're not culpable. Sorry. Sorry. [music] And then goodbye. Sorry. Sorry. [music] And then goodbye. Sorry. Sorry. [music] And then goodbye. >> Buried in nature. Now verbiage, right? >> Buried in nature. Now verbiage, right? >> Buried in nature. Now verbiage, right? Remember the USD, the US dollar, right? Remember the USD, the US dollar, right? Remember the USD, the US dollar, right? This is also a weird way of speaking. This is also a weird way of speaking. This is also a weird way of speaking. >> She perished shortly after she was >> She perished shortly after she was >> She perished shortly after she was [music] taken. She is buried in nature [music] taken. She is buried in nature [music] taken. She is buried in nature now. It's just a little uh off. And now. It's just a little uh off. And now. It's just a little uh off. And [music] [music] [music] I believe this may be because the person I believe this may be because the person I believe this may be because the person writing the notes is foreign, English is writing the notes is foreign, English is writing the notes is foreign, English is their second language, [music] or they their second language, [music] or they their second language, [music] or they are using like a translator are using like a translator are using like a translator >> to get their point across. [music] >> to get their point across. [music] >> to get their point across. [music] >> We'll get into that in a second. So now >> We'll get into that in a second. So now >> We'll get into that in a second. So now you have ransom note number two that we you have ransom note number two that we you have ransom note number two that we now know behind the scenes is happening, now know behind the scenes is happening, now know behind the scenes is happening, [music] right? But the FBI and PCSD, [music] right? But the FBI and PCSD, [music] right? But the FBI and PCSD, they were never revealing what ransom they were never revealing what ransom they were never revealing what ransom note [music] number two said, just that note [music] number two said, just that note [music] number two said, just that it was received. But Savannah went on to it was received. But Savannah went on to it was received. But Savannah went on to her social media and said, "We've her social media and said, "We've her social media and said, "We've received your note." And at this point received your note." And at this point received your note." And at this point now, like there's [music] a very clear now, like there's [music] a very clear now, like there's [music] a very clear tone change in her, too. And the retired tone change in her, too. And the retired tone change in her, too. And the retired investigator I talked to said it was investigator I talked to said it was investigator I talked to said it was very much like a hostage negotiator type very much like a hostage negotiator type very much like a hostage negotiator type tone. You could tell that she had worked tone. You could tell that she had worked tone. You could tell that she had worked with the FBI. [music] But at this point with the FBI. [music] But at this point with the FBI. [music] But at this point now they're pleading to get Nancy back now they're pleading to get Nancy back now they're pleading to get Nancy back no matter if it's dead [music] or alive.

no matter if it's dead [music] or alive. no matter if it's dead [music] or alive. Yeah. And you can tell at this point Yeah. And you can tell at this point Yeah. And you can tell at this point that she's like we'll do anything to that she's like we'll do anything to that she's like we'll do anything to bring her home. Like that became the the bring her home. Like that became the the bring her home. Like that became the the hashtag [music] was like bring her home hashtag [music] was like bring her home hashtag [music] was like bring her home no matter what. And I just personally no matter what. And I just personally no matter what. And I just personally [music] watching this happen like [music] watching this happen like [music] watching this happen like reporting on it. I was doing the job reporting on it. I was doing the job reporting on it. I was doing the job that Savannah would typically do on a that Savannah would typically do on a that Savannah would typically do on a massive investigation, [music] right? massive investigation, [music] right? massive investigation, [music] right? She is a seasoned anchor reporter. for She is a seasoned anchor reporter. for She is a seasoned anchor reporter. for her to have to be the [music] story. her to have to be the [music] story. her to have to be the [music] story. Heartbreaking, like awful. And I could Heartbreaking, like awful. And I could Heartbreaking, like awful. And I could not imagine the position [music] that not imagine the position [music] that not imagine the position [music] that she was in, especially because we didn't she was in, especially because we didn't she was in, especially because we didn't know if her job was part of this and she know if her job was part of this and she know if her job was part of this and she didn't know if her job was part of didn't know if her job was part of didn't know if her job was part of [music] this. And it was just like [music] this. And it was just like [music] this. And it was just like heartbreaking to watch these videos. But heartbreaking to watch these videos. But heartbreaking to watch these videos. But there was never proof of life. The only there was never proof of life. The only there was never proof of life. The only thing that ever happened was that there thing that ever happened was that there thing that ever happened was that there was a very small amount of money put was a very small amount of money put was a very small amount of money put into the Bitcoin wallet that came in in into the Bitcoin wallet that came in in into the Bitcoin wallet that came in in that first ransom note [music] by that first ransom note [music] by that first ransom note [music] by authorities. We don't know who put it in authorities. We don't know who put it in authorities. We don't know who put it in there. We can assume that it was there. We can assume that it was there. We can assume that it was authorities and the Guthrie family authorities and the Guthrie family authorities and the Guthrie family together [music] or one of together [music] or one of together [music] or one of >> Were you guys like watching it or we >> Were you guys like watching it or we >> Were you guys like watching it or we could monitor it. There's only certain could monitor it. There's only certain could monitor it. There's only certain people who can monitor it who had the people who can monitor it who had the people who can monitor it who had the note. We could monitor it. We saw a very note. We could monitor it. We saw a very note. We could monitor it. We saw a very small amount put in. It was like a test small amount put in. It was like a test small amount put in. It was like a test with [music] this like attached note with [music] this like attached note with [music] this like attached note that said contact us. We are ready to that said contact us. We are ready to that said contact us. We are ready to talk. Something along those lines and talk. Something along those lines and talk. Something along those lines and nothing else ever happened though in nothing else ever happened though in nothing else ever happened though in that ransom note. Um that Bitcoin wallet that ransom note. Um that Bitcoin wallet that ransom note. Um that Bitcoin wallet was never active again and [music] was never active again and [music] was never active again and [music] nothing came of that. So my thought was nothing came of that. So my thought was nothing came of that. So my thought was they're asking for proof of life.

they're asking for proof of life. they're asking for proof of life. Clearly, if you believe these ransom Clearly, if you believe these ransom Clearly, if you believe these ransom notes are legit, they can't prove proof notes are legit, they can't prove proof notes are legit, they can't prove proof of life. So, like done. But we didn't of life. So, like done. But we didn't of life. So, like done. But we didn't really know [music] if it was done or really know [music] if it was done or really know [music] if it was done or not because we didn't know if the ransom not because we didn't know if the ransom not because we didn't know if the ransom notes were legit either. notes were legit either. notes were legit either. >> Yeah. We still don't really know [music] >> Yeah. We still don't really know [music] >> Yeah. We still don't really know [music] if they're legit. There has been some if they're legit. There has been some if they're legit. There has been some reporting in the past month. Um, Reuters reporting in the past month. Um, Reuters reporting in the past month. Um, Reuters came out and said that they had this came out and said that they had this came out and said that they had this anonymous FBI [music] source that had anonymous FBI [music] source that had anonymous FBI [music] source that had said all ransom notes in the said all ransom notes in the said all ransom notes in the investigation were fake. All of them. investigation were fake. All of them. investigation were fake. All of them. >> That came out of nowhere. >> That came out of nowhere. >> That came out of nowhere. >> Yeah. And just like a couple weeks ago, >> Yeah. And just like a couple weeks ago, >> Yeah. And just like a couple weeks ago, a week ago. and the FBI. I mean, I'm a week ago. and the FBI. I mean, I'm a week ago. and the FBI. I mean, I'm like calling the FBI right now. Hey, is like calling the FBI right now. Hey, is like calling the FBI right now. Hey, is this true or not? And [music] mind you, this true or not? And [music] mind you, this true or not? And [music] mind you, like there's these two ransom notes that like there's these two ransom notes that like there's these two ransom notes that came in. And then there's like this slew came in. And then there's like this slew came in. And then there's like this slew of all these notes and emails and things of all these notes and emails and things of all these notes and emails and things that are coming in to namely TMZ that that are coming in to namely TMZ that that are coming in to namely TMZ that [music] have been reported over the past [music] have been reported over the past [music] have been reported over the past couple months as well. Like one of them couple months as well. Like one of them couple months as well. Like one of them was this email that came in from this was this email that came in from this was this email that came in from this guy that was like, [music] I know the guy that was like, [music] I know the guy that was like, [music] I know the kidnapper. I have video of Nancy alive kidnapper. I have video of Nancy alive kidnapper. I have video of Nancy alive on her last day with the kidnapper. It's on her last day with the kidnapper. It's on her last day with the kidnapper. It's on a like a phone in a secure location on a like a phone in a secure location on a like a phone in a secure location and if you give me a Bitcoin [music] and if you give me a Bitcoin [music] and if you give me a Bitcoin [music] then I will reveal the safe location.

then I will reveal the safe location. then I will reveal the safe location. Crazy. I mean, these are just like crazy Crazy. I mean, these are just like crazy Crazy. I mean, these are just like crazy things. We don't know if that's legit, things. We don't know if that's legit, things. We don't know if that's legit, >> but we do know that the FBI arrested >> but we do know that the FBI arrested >> but we do know that the FBI arrested [music] somebody very quickly early on [music] somebody very quickly early on [music] somebody very quickly early on in the investigation for sending a fake in the investigation for sending a fake in the investigation for sending a fake ransom note. So, we do know that they're ransom note. So, we do know that they're ransom note. So, we do know that they're able to determine what is and isn't real able to determine what is and isn't real able to determine what is and isn't real pretty quickly. That person has [music] pretty quickly. That person has [music] pretty quickly. That person has [music] pleaded guilty. So that kind of leads pleaded guilty. So that kind of leads pleaded guilty. So that kind of leads you to believe that if they can [music] you to believe that if they can [music] you to believe that if they can [music] deem that to be true and if they're not deem that to be true and if they're not deem that to be true and if they're not saying anything about some of these saying anything about some of these saying anything about some of these emails that they're still looking at emails that they're still looking at emails that they're still looking at these two notes as being credible. these two notes as being credible. these two notes as being credible. >> What connects the second one to the >> What connects the second one to the >> What connects the second one to the first one first one first one >> came in through the same tip line to the >> came in through the same tip line to the >> came in through the same tip line to the news station. [music] They basically news station. [music] They basically news station. [music] They basically like they believe they referenced some like they believe they referenced some like they believe they referenced some of the same things and it was a of the same things and it was a of the same things and it was a different IP address but sent in the different IP address but sent in the different IP address but sent in the same way with the same kind of tone. So same way with the same kind of tone. So same way with the same kind of tone. So they believe that those were the [music] they believe that those were the [music] they believe that those were the [music] two that came in from the same person at two that came in from the same person at two that came in from the same person at this point that those two are related. this point that those two are related. this point that those two are related. [music] Is it possible that they're not? [music] Is it possible that they're not? [music] Is it possible that they're not? Sure. Sure. Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But the way that this was sent and and >> But the way that this was sent and and >> But the way that this was sent and and like mind you too that's like a pretty like mind you too that's like a pretty like mind you too that's like a pretty interesting way to send something interesting way to send something interesting way to send something through [music] a anonymous tip line to through [music] a anonymous tip line to through [music] a anonymous tip line to a local news station. a local news station. a local news station. >> It's like a jot form. So the way that >> It's like a jot form. So the way that >> It's like a jot form. So the way that it's sent you don't see it. [music] You it's sent you don't see it. [music] You it's sent you don't see it. [music] You but they use different IP addresses but but they use different IP addresses but but they use different IP addresses but they couldn't like track it. That's what they couldn't like track it. That's what they couldn't like track it. That's what that was part of what was causing the that was part of what was causing the that was part of what was causing the issues as well. So, you have those two issues as well. So, you have those two issues as well. So, you have those two things happening. At this point, the FBI things happening. At this point, the FBI things happening. At this point, the FBI has come out and on the record [music] has come out and on the record [music] has come out and on the record [music] said that yes, some ransom notes and said that yes, some ransom notes and said that yes, some ransom notes and some emails we've deemed to be bogus, some emails we've deemed to be bogus, some emails we've deemed to be bogus, but [music] there are still some that we but [music] there are still some that we but [music] there are still some that we are investigating as possibly legitimate are investigating as possibly legitimate are investigating as possibly legitimate in this kidnapping in this kidnapping in this kidnapping ransom case, [music] which is likely ransom case, [music] which is likely ransom case, [music] which is likely these two that we're talking about. We these two that we're talking about. We these two that we're talking about. We also don't know what else has come in also don't know what else has come in also don't know what else has come in behind the scenes.

behind the scenes. behind the scenes. >> Yeah. And that's what's hard, too, >> Yeah. And that's what's hard, too, >> Yeah. And that's what's hard, too, right? We've had no information right? We've had no information right? We've had no information trickling out. I think from my trickling out. I think from my trickling out. I think from my perspective reporting on this, there perspective reporting on this, there perspective reporting on this, there have been a lot of missteps. Like so have been a lot of missteps. Like so have been a lot of missteps. Like so much so that I'm honestly concerned much so that I'm honestly concerned much so that I'm honestly concerned about if we ever get to an arrest, about if we ever get to an arrest, about if we ever get to an arrest, [music] what the prosecution is going to [music] what the prosecution is going to [music] what the prosecution is going to do to actually try to get justice in the do to actually try to get justice in the do to actually try to get justice in the case because for one thing, the scene, case because for one thing, the scene, case because for one thing, the scene, right? Like that was that was bad. And right? Like that was that was bad. And right? Like that was that was bad. And the sheriff, Chris Nanos, did admit like the sheriff, Chris Nanos, did admit like the sheriff, Chris Nanos, did admit like we probably shouldn't have done that. We we probably shouldn't have done that. We we probably shouldn't have done that. We probably should have kept it secure. probably should have kept it secure. probably should have kept it secure. Yeah, I'd say so because uh my DNA might Yeah, I'd say so because uh my DNA might Yeah, I'd say so because uh my DNA might be on the driveway and the porch. There be on the driveway and the porch. There be on the driveway and the porch. There were a lot of people up and down there. were a lot of people up and down there. were a lot of people up and down there. So, like if that's a contaminated scene So, like if that's a contaminated scene So, like if that's a contaminated scene in a court of law, that's so wild. I in a court of law, that's so wild. I in a court of law, that's so wild. I mean, that could really impact mean, that could really impact mean, that could really impact everything. [music] It's totally wild. everything. [music] It's totally wild. everything. [music] It's totally wild. Then you had what felt like this kind of Then you had what felt like this kind of Then you had what felt like this kind of tension between the sheriff's department tension between the sheriff's department tension between the sheriff's department and the FBI and some of that came to be and the FBI and some of that came to be and the FBI and some of that came to be like where the DNA was sent. [music] So, like where the DNA was sent. [music] So, like where the DNA was sent. [music] So, PCSD was using this private lab in PCSD was using this private lab in PCSD was using this private lab in Florida and they were sending stuff Florida and they were sending stuff Florida and they were sending stuff there, but the FBI wanted to use their there, but the FBI wanted to use their there, but the FBI wanted to use their lab in Quantico. It's like a premier lab lab in Quantico. It's like a premier lab lab in Quantico. It's like a premier lab that they can try to get things back that they can try to get things back that they can try to get things back quickly. And it [music] there was like quickly. And it [music] there was like quickly. And it [music] there was like this kind of like chatter online of like this kind of like chatter online of like this kind of like chatter online of like okay well so and so doesn't know where okay well so and so doesn't know where okay well so and so doesn't know where this DNA is being sent and we wanted to this DNA is being sent and we wanted to this DNA is being sent and we wanted to send it here but you sent it there and send it here but you sent it there and send it here but you sent it there and they had to address that and they'd be they had to address that and they'd be they had to address that and they'd be like it's fine but like it but it like it's fine but like it but it like it's fine but like it but it clearly is not fine.

clearly is not fine. clearly is not fine. >> It was not fine. >> It was not fine. >> It was not fine. >> So you had that >> So you had that >> So you had that >> mom and dad are fighting like [music] >> mom and dad are fighting like [music] >> mom and dad are fighting like [music] right and then let's talk about some of right and then let's talk about some of right and then let's talk about some of what was said to me and [music] my team what was said to me and [music] my team what was said to me and [music] my team behind the scenes from the sheriff. So, behind the scenes from the sheriff. So, behind the scenes from the sheriff. So, I haven't talked about this before, um, I haven't talked about this before, um, I haven't talked about this before, um, but I think this kind of [music] but I think this kind of [music] but I think this kind of [music] highlights how this all went. highlights how this all went. highlights how this all went. To clarify where the DNA evidence was To clarify where the DNA evidence was To clarify where the DNA evidence was going was of the utmost importance to going was of the utmost importance to going was of the utmost importance to accurate reporting, right? accurate reporting, right? accurate reporting, right? Yes. In Arizona, the nightly newscasts Yes. In Arizona, the nightly newscasts Yes. In Arizona, the nightly newscasts are on at 1000 p.m. [music] That is are on at 1000 p.m. [music] That is are on at 1000 p.m. [music] That is standard across the board. And as we all standard across the board. And as we all standard across the board. And as we all know, in this job, the news doesn't know, in this job, the news doesn't know, in this job, the news doesn't sleep, right? but it's especially not sleep, right? but it's especially not sleep, right? but it's especially not sleeping in the biggest investigation in sleeping in the biggest investigation in sleeping in the biggest investigation in the country [music] at 10 p.m. which is the country [music] at 10 p.m. which is the country [music] at 10 p.m. which is not even that late. So, we were getting not even that late. So, we were getting not even that late. So, we were getting ready for the evening newscast and this ready for the evening newscast and this ready for the evening newscast and this is among like where the DNA evidence is is among like where the DNA evidence is is among like where the DNA evidence is going. What are you testing? How are you going. What are you testing? How are you going. What are you testing? How are you testing it? [music] And my team sent a testing it? [music] And my team sent a testing it? [music] And my team sent a text to Sheriff Chris Nanos just trying text to Sheriff Chris Nanos just trying text to Sheriff Chris Nanos just trying to clarify what was going on with the to clarify what was going on with the to clarify what was going on with the DNA evidence so that we could [music] be DNA evidence so that we could [music] be DNA evidence so that we could [music] be right before the newscast. So, this was right before the newscast. So, this was right before the newscast. So, this was around like 9:50 that the text was sent around like 9:50 that the text was sent around like 9:50 that the text was sent to him.

to him. to him. >> And this is like what a week out. Yeah, >> And this is like what a week out. Yeah, >> And this is like what a week out. Yeah, this is within February. So, it was like this is within February. So, it was like this is within February. So, it was like a week within like one or two weeks a week within like one or two weeks a week within like one or two weeks since she was missing. Still, we're since she was missing. Still, we're since she was missing. Still, we're talking like top lead story headlines talking like top lead story headlines talking like top lead story headlines across every news network every night at across every news network every night at across every news network every night at this point still. So, my team text him this point still. So, my team text him this point still. So, my team text him trying to [music] get clarification. We trying to [music] get clarification. We trying to [music] get clarification. We immediately received a text back from immediately received a text back from immediately received a text back from him. him. him. >> That said, did you happen to notice the >> That said, did you happen to notice the >> That said, did you happen to notice the time? Give it a rest. What? When I tell time? Give it a rest. What? When I tell time? Give it a rest. What? When I tell you we looked at that text, I looked at you we looked at that text, I looked at you we looked at that text, I looked at the text and I was like, the text and I was like, the text and I was like, you've got to be joking. First off, that you've got to be joking. First off, that you've got to be joking. First off, that text took more effort than simply text took more effort than simply text took more effort than simply [music] a no or a yes [music] a no or a yes [music] a no or a yes >> yes or don't respond. [music] >> yes or don't respond. [music] >> yes or don't respond. [music] >> And to the point of timing, this isn't a >> And to the point of timing, this isn't a >> And to the point of timing, this isn't a year out and you're bothering him with year out and you're bothering him with year out and you're bothering him with his like family. Like, I honestly kind his like family. Like, I honestly kind his like family. Like, I honestly kind of expect you to be of expect you to be of expect you to be >> on it at 10:00 p.m. [music] a week out >> on it at 10:00 p.m. [music] a week out >> on it at 10:00 p.m. [music] a week out if we still haven't found her. if we still haven't found her. if we still haven't found her. >> 100%. I bet the Guthrie family did too. >> 100%. I bet the Guthrie family did too. >> 100%. I bet the Guthrie family did too. I mean, I'm thinking like Savannah's not I mean, I'm thinking like Savannah's not I mean, I'm thinking like Savannah's not resting. [music] They're not resting. resting. [music] They're not resting. resting. [music] They're not resting. We're not resting. Like that just was We're not resting. Like that just was We're not resting. Like that just was such a snarky response to give give it a such a snarky response to give give it a such a snarky response to give give it a rest. You're rest. You're rest. You're >> like she's missing. She >> like she's missing. She >> like she's missing. She >> and this is like your job.

>> and this is like your job. >> and this is like your job. >> This is your job. And there was >> This is your job. And there was >> This is your job. And there was something that the sheriff said too in something that the sheriff said too in something that the sheriff said too in that press conference. Basically said that press conference. Basically said that press conference. Basically said like you guys hold me to all my words. like you guys hold me to all my words. like you guys hold me to all my words. Like Like Like >> yes, you're the sheriff of the most >> yes, you're the sheriff of the most >> yes, you're the sheriff of the most important or maybe biggest true crime important or maybe biggest true crime important or maybe biggest true crime investigation missing person that is investigation missing person that is investigation missing person that is happening in real time in this country. happening in real time in this country. happening in real time in this country. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Yes, we are holding you to your words >> Yes, we are holding you to your words >> Yes, we are holding you to your words because what you say is exceptionally because what you say is exceptionally because what you say is exceptionally important. important. important. In in that time frame, everything just In in that time frame, everything just In in that time frame, everything just went downhill on social media. People went downhill on social media. People went downhill on social media. People were fed up with Sheriff Nanos. He were fed up with Sheriff Nanos. He were fed up with Sheriff Nanos. He wouldn't do a press conference, but then wouldn't do a press conference, but then wouldn't do a press conference, but then he was doing like individual one-off he was doing like individual one-off he was doing like individual one-off interviews, [music] interviews, [music] interviews, [music] including with me, but saying different including with me, but saying different including with me, but saying different things in these different interviews. So things in these different interviews. So things in these different interviews. So then you'd have to go back to like the then you'd have to go back to like the then you'd have to go back to like the public information officers of the public information officers of the public information officers of the sheriff's department and be like, "Hey, sheriff's department and be like, "Hey, sheriff's department and be like, "Hey, he said this in this interview, but he said this in this interview, but he said this in this interview, but didn't say that in this. Is that true?" didn't say that in this. Is that true?" didn't say that in this. Is that true?" and it would be like, you know, either and it would be like, you know, either and it would be like, you know, either we can't confirm or we can't comment. So we can't confirm or we can't comment. So we can't confirm or we can't comment. So then that just like muddied the waters then that just like muddied the waters then that just like muddied the waters even more, right, with what was true and even more, right, with what was true and even more, right, with what was true and what wasn't. And I [music] just feel what wasn't. And I [music] just feel what wasn't. And I [music] just feel like factually we needed to get the like factually we needed to get the like factually we needed to get the right information out there. Did he just right information out there. Did he just right information out there. Did he just not know was going on or like was he not know was going on or like was he not know was going on or like was he what what was what was that?

what what was what was that? what what was what was that? >> I Great question. I still honestly don't >> I Great question. I still honestly don't >> I Great question. I still honestly don't know. And [music] there there are things know. And [music] there there are things know. And [music] there there are things that have been said from him throughout that have been said from him throughout that have been said from him throughout these different interviews that I think these different interviews that I think these different interviews that I think he just kind of says and like it's not he just kind of says and like it's not he just kind of says and like it's not backed up by fact. somewhat recently he backed up by fact. somewhat recently he backed up by fact. somewhat recently he went on to a news station and said that went on to a news station and said that went on to a news station and said that there's been like [music] arrests. There there's been like [music] arrests. There there's been like [music] arrests. There haven't there's there's been no arrests. haven't there's there's been no arrests. haven't there's there's been no arrests. And that's kind of the other part of And that's kind of the other part of And that's kind of the other part of this too when we're [music] talking this too when we're [music] talking this too when we're [music] talking about the missteps and just like the about the missteps and just like the about the missteps and just like the weirdness of it all. In that first weirdness of it all. In that first weirdness of it all. In that first month, there were three people detained month, there were three people detained month, there were three people detained in the case. One of them was a Door Dash in the case. One of them was a Door Dash in the case. One of them was a Door Dash driver that lived south, [music] like an driver that lived south, [music] like an driver that lived south, [music] like an hour south of Nancy Guthri's home. His hour south of Nancy Guthri's home. His hour south of Nancy Guthri's home. His name was Carlos. He was detained, name was Carlos. He was detained, name was Carlos. He was detained, questioned, and then released. And then questioned, and then released. And then questioned, and then released. And then there were two other people who were there were two other people who were there were two other people who were detained in the case, Mary and [music] detained in the case, Mary and [music] detained in the case, Mary and [music] Luke Daly. Mary was Luke's mom. They Luke Daly. Mary was Luke's mom. They Luke Daly. Mary was Luke's mom. They lived pretty close to Nancy Guthri's lived pretty close to Nancy Guthri's lived pretty close to Nancy Guthri's home. I interviewed them both and they home. I interviewed them both and they home. I interviewed them both and they still don't understand why they were still don't understand why they were still don't understand why they were detained. We still don't know why they detained. We still don't know why they detained. We still don't know why they were detained. Many people online still were detained. Many people online still were detained. Many people online still believe that Luke Daly looks [music] believe that Luke Daly looks [music] believe that Luke Daly looks [music] like Porch Guy. I mean, they have online like Porch Guy. I mean, they have online like Porch Guy. I mean, they have online court of public opinion have decided court of public opinion have decided court of public opinion have decided that Luke could be Porch Guy, but Luke that Luke could be Porch Guy, but Luke that Luke could be Porch Guy, but Luke is adamant that he is not. We still is adamant that he is not. We still is adamant that he is not. We still don't know why these three people were don't know why these three people were don't know why these three people were detained. They were all [music] detained. They were all [music] detained. They were all [music] released. There's been nothing more that released. There's been nothing more that released. There's been nothing more that has come of that. And there has been, as has come of that. And there has been, as has come of that. And there has been, as far as we know, no other detainments.

far as we know, no other detainments. far as we know, no other detainments. And I think we would know that if there And I think we would know that if there And I think we would know that if there wasn't the case. So that's like [music] wasn't the case. So that's like [music] wasn't the case. So that's like [music] where this kind of ends because where this kind of ends because where this kind of ends because there's nothing more. We know that DNA there's nothing more. We know that DNA there's nothing more. We know that DNA is being tested. More DNA. Yes. So is being tested. More DNA. Yes. So is being tested. More DNA. Yes. So something that also I'm like remembering something that also I'm like remembering something that also I'm like remembering this as I'm [music] going with you. I this as I'm [music] going with you. I this as I'm [music] going with you. I don't know if you heard about this, but don't know if you heard about this, but don't know if you heard about this, but like the black glove of it all was like like the black glove of it all was like like the black glove of it all was like a big part of this. [music] So there a big part of this. [music] So there a big part of this. [music] So there was, you know, obviously the abductor was, you know, obviously the abductor was, you know, obviously the abductor was wearing gloves. So that became like was wearing gloves. So that became like was wearing gloves. So that became like a key. What kind of gloves are these? a key. What kind of gloves are these? a key. What kind of gloves are these? Let's look for gloves. There was a black Let's look for gloves. There was a black Let's look for gloves. There was a black glove that was found on the side of the glove that was found on the side of the glove that was found on the side of the road about 2 milesish from NY's home road about 2 milesish from NY's home road about 2 milesish from NY's home that was tested [music] that was tested [music] that was tested [music] and that came back um unrelated. It came and that came back um unrelated. It came and that came back um unrelated. It came back to DNA of a a nearby restaurant back to DNA of a a nearby restaurant back to DNA of a a nearby restaurant worker. worker. worker. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But then there was like other gloves >> But then there was like other gloves >> But then there was like other gloves found near NY's home. Like everyone was found near NY's home. Like everyone was found near NY's home. Like everyone was looking for gloves. Like a scavenger looking for gloves. Like a scavenger looking for gloves. Like a scavenger hunt for gloves and the sheriff hunt for gloves and the sheriff hunt for gloves and the sheriff basically came out and was like, "Oh, basically came out and was like, "Oh, basically came out and was like, "Oh, well like our investigators like well like our investigators like well like our investigators like disposed of gloves on the ground. What disposed of gloves on the ground. What disposed of gloves on the ground. What are we doing here? are we doing here? are we doing here? >> I I don't know." And [music] >> I I don't know." And [music] >> I I don't know." And [music] I'm like, "Why would we do that? If I'm like, "Why would we do that? If I'm like, "Why would we do that? If we're looking for gloves, why are we we're looking for gloves, why are we we're looking for gloves, why are we just disposing of the gloves on the just disposing of the gloves on the just disposing of the gloves on the ground? ground? ground? >> Guess which one are ours? Guess which >> Guess which one are ours? Guess which >> Guess which one are ours? Guess which one aren't. one aren't. one aren't. >> And he was like, "Some of them they were >> And he was like, "Some of them they were >> And he was like, "Some of them they were blue." It's like, "Okay, blue, black, blue." It's like, "Okay, blue, black, blue." It's like, "Okay, blue, black, glove. Let's just not put them on the glove. Let's just not put them on the glove. Let's just not put them on the ground, right? Let's not let's not."

ground, right? Let's not let's not." ground, right? Let's not let's not." >> So, the gloves part of this >> So, the gloves part of this >> So, the gloves part of this investigation hasn't really gone investigation hasn't really gone investigation hasn't really gone anywhere, but we do know that they were anywhere, but we do know that they were anywhere, but we do know that they were able to get mixed DNA from inside NY's able to get mixed DNA from inside NY's able to get mixed DNA from inside NY's [music] home. What I mean by that is [music] home. What I mean by that is [music] home. What I mean by that is like there are multiple profiles in this like there are multiple profiles in this like there are multiple profiles in this [music] DNA sample, [music] DNA sample, [music] DNA sample, >> whatever it is, wherever it was from, >> whatever it is, wherever it was from, >> whatever it is, wherever it was from, >> whatever it is, wherever it's from, >> whatever it is, wherever it's from, >> whatever it is, wherever it's from, right? And and so they need to separate right? And and so they need to separate right? And and so they need to separate that and like part of that becomes that and like part of that becomes that and like part of that becomes obviously we expect NY's DNA to be part obviously we expect NY's DNA to be part obviously we expect NY's DNA to be part of that. She's in the home, but like who of that. She's in the home, but like who of that. She's in the home, but like who else's DNA could be part of that? else's DNA could be part of that? else's DNA could be part of that? Perhaps her daughter, her son-in-law, Perhaps her daughter, her son-in-law, Perhaps her daughter, her son-in-law, >> friends who visited >> friends who visited >> friends who visited >> friends who visited, you know, it's that >> friends who visited, you know, it's that >> friends who visited, you know, it's that that's not necessarily the smoking gun. that's not necessarily the smoking gun. that's not necessarily the smoking gun. It could mean it could be the thing, but It could mean it could be the thing, but It could mean it could be the thing, but it could mean a number of things that it could mean a number of things that it could mean a number of things that are completely unrelated. [music] are completely unrelated. [music] are completely unrelated. [music] >> Right. Exactly. So, they need to >> Right. Exactly. So, they need to >> Right. Exactly. So, they need to separate that DNA and see if there's separate that DNA and see if there's separate that DNA and see if there's like an unknown profile that matches like an unknown profile that matches like an unknown profile that matches somebody who shouldn't belong in the somebody who shouldn't belong in the somebody who shouldn't belong in the home and then do genetic genealogy on home and then do genetic genealogy on home and then do genetic genealogy on that. We haven't heard anything more on that. We haven't heard anything more on that. We haven't heard anything more on that. I actually thought we were going that. I actually thought we were going that. I actually thought we were going to hear more about the DNA by this point to hear more about the DNA by this point to hear more about the DNA by this point and we [music] haven't. So, that's and we [music] haven't. So, that's and we [music] haven't. So, that's ongoing. ongoing. ongoing. >> I'd be surprised. I mean, like >> I'd be surprised. I mean, like >> I'd be surprised. I mean, like especially with mixed samples, I know especially with mixed samples, I know especially with mixed samples, I know that getting like a sample that's like that getting like a sample that's like that getting like a sample that's like good enough to do genealogy or like good enough to do genealogy or like good enough to do genealogy or like enough is like very difficult.

enough is like very difficult. enough is like very difficult. >> Yeah. And even if they get to that >> Yeah. And even if they get to that >> Yeah. And even if they get to that point, [music] then you have to like point, [music] then you have to like point, [music] then you have to like contend with the fact that like contend with the fact that like contend with the fact that like depending on like who our perpetrator depending on like who our perpetrator depending on like who our perpetrator is. I mean, there are so many like is. I mean, there are so many like is. I mean, there are so many like populations of people who are populations of people who are populations of people who are underrepresented in these databases that underrepresented in these databases that underrepresented in these databases that [music] take forever to find if you find [music] take forever to find if you find [music] take forever to find if you find them at all. them at all. them at all. >> And that could very well be the case. >> And that could very well be the case. >> And that could very well be the case. So, that should still be going on behind So, that should still be going on behind So, that should still be going on behind the scenes. We haven't gotten an update the scenes. We haven't gotten an update the scenes. We haven't gotten an update [music] on that. And then there's really [music] on that. And then there's really [music] on that. And then there's really been like tips or just random things been like tips or just random things been like tips or just random things that have come in throughout the couple that have come in throughout the couple that have come in throughout the couple months that are like, "Oh, a tip came in months that are like, "Oh, a tip came in months that are like, "Oh, a tip came in to this group in Mexico that Nancy was to this group in Mexico that Nancy was to this group in Mexico that Nancy was buried at these unmarked graves and they buried at these unmarked graves and they buried at these unmarked graves and they they sent investigators out there." They they sent investigators out there." They they sent investigators out there." They didn't find her. [music] That didn't didn't find her. [music] That didn't didn't find her. [music] That didn't come to fruition. Then you've got TMZ come to fruition. Then you've got TMZ come to fruition. Then you've got TMZ receiving these emails. Oh, we their her receiving these emails. Oh, we their her receiving these emails. Oh, we their her last known days are on this phone and last known days are on this phone and last known days are on this phone and this video in this secure location. If this video in this secure location. If this video in this secure location. If you give me this, I can get there. And you give me this, I can get there. And you give me this, I can get there. And obviously nothing's come of that either. obviously nothing's come of that either. obviously nothing's come of that either. And and that's like kind of where this And and that's like kind of where this And and that's like kind of where this all stops. Like this is where we're at all stops. Like this is where we're at all stops. Like this is where we're at now. Six months later. I cannot believe now. Six months later. I cannot believe now. Six months later. I cannot believe that this is where we're at [music] with that this is where we're at [music] with that this is where we're at [music] with no answers, no arrests. We don't know no answers, no arrests. We don't know no answers, no arrests. We don't know where Nancy is. And [music] we don't where Nancy is. And [music] we don't where Nancy is. And [music] we don't really know what exactly is happening really know what exactly is happening really know what exactly is happening behind the scenes or what's come in behind the scenes or what's come in behind the scenes or what's come in besides the fact that they're DNA besides the fact that they're DNA besides the fact that they're DNA testing.

testing. testing. Wow. So, Wow. So, Wow. So, why did this happen? [music] Right. why did this happen? [music] Right. why did this happen? [music] Right. Like, yeah. What do we think? And that's Like, yeah. What do we think? And that's Like, yeah. What do we think? And that's where I recently interviewed a former where I recently interviewed a former where I recently interviewed a former chief investigator who has come up with chief investigator who has come up with chief investigator who has come up with what I think is a very educated, [music] what I think is a very educated, [music] what I think is a very educated, [music] wellthoughtout, wellressearched theory. wellthoughtout, wellressearched theory. wellthoughtout, wellressearched theory. There's been a little bit of chatter of There's been a little bit of chatter of There's been a little bit of chatter of it online. She's talked about it. She it online. She's talked about it. She it online. She's talked about it. She kind of put out this paper on it, but I kind of put out this paper on it, but I kind of put out this paper on it, but I really wanted to dive in [music] deep really wanted to dive in [music] deep really wanted to dive in [music] deep with her. And based on everything we with her. And based on everything we with her. And based on everything we know, I think that this could be very know, I think that this could be very know, I think that this could be very plausible. Again, plausible. Again, plausible. Again, >> anything could be the case right now, >> anything could be the case right now, >> anything could be the case right now, right? Like we don't know where Nancy right? Like we don't know where Nancy right? Like we don't know where Nancy is. We don't know what's happening. is. We don't know what's happening. is. We don't know what's happening. [music] [music] [music] But why did this come to fruition in the But why did this come to fruition in the But why did this come to fruition in the first place? Right. first place? Right. first place? Right. >> Did this investigator have the >> Did this investigator have the >> Did this investigator have the information about the notes that that information about the notes that that information about the notes that that have now she had some of them and and have now she had some of them and and have now she had some of them and and the US dollar is actually going to be a the US dollar is actually going to be a the US dollar is actually going to be a key here. So her name is Lisa Miller. key here. So her name is Lisa Miller. key here. So her name is Lisa Miller. She's out of Colorado. She's been She's out of Colorado. She's been She's out of Colorado. She's been featured on like a lot of different news featured on like a lot of different news featured on like a lot of different news programs, true crime. She is a seasoned programs, true crime. She is a seasoned programs, true crime. She is a seasoned investigator now. She works as a investigator now. She works as a investigator now. She works as a consultant. And so she basically put consultant. And so she basically put consultant. And so she basically put together this like pages long [music] together this like pages long [music] together this like pages long [music] Substack report or paper on what she Substack report or paper on what she Substack report or paper on what she believes happened here. And weirdly believes happened here. And weirdly believes happened here. And weirdly enough, right after she did that, this enough, right after she did that, this enough, right after she did that, this cyber security firm actually came out cyber security firm actually came out cyber security firm actually came out and categorized the Nancy Guthrie and categorized the Nancy Guthrie and categorized the Nancy Guthrie abduction as [music] the same thing she abduction as [music] the same thing she abduction as [music] the same thing she had talked about. So that even made it had talked about. So that even made it had talked about. So that even made it feel more credible. So let's talk about feel more credible. So let's talk about feel more credible. So let's talk about it. Lisa Miller believes that this is it. Lisa Miller believes that this is it. Lisa Miller believes that this is something [music] called an evolved something [music] called an evolved something [music] called an evolved wrench attack. What is an unevolved? I wrench attack. What is an unevolved? I wrench attack. What is an unevolved? I don't even know what a wrench attack is.

don't even know what a wrench attack is. don't even know what a wrench attack is. Neither did I. So [music] a wrench Neither did I. So [music] a wrench Neither did I. So [music] a wrench attack basically means that you are attack basically means that you are attack basically means that you are targeting somebody's digital assets targeting somebody's digital assets targeting somebody's digital assets namely Bitcoin [music] cryptocurrency namely Bitcoin [music] cryptocurrency namely Bitcoin [music] cryptocurrency like they are wealthy in this you are like they are wealthy in this you are like they are wealthy in this you are targeting them for that to extract that targeting them for that to extract that targeting them for that to extract that from them now Nancy Guthrie nobody is from them now Nancy Guthrie nobody is from them now Nancy Guthrie nobody is saying that she was just had all this saying that she was just had all this saying that she was just had all this bitcoin or cryptocurrency right so bitcoin or cryptocurrency right so bitcoin or cryptocurrency right so that's what kind of makes this [music] that's what kind of makes this [music] that's what kind of makes this [music] evolved the thought here was that she evolved the thought here was that she evolved the thought here was that she was the target the vulnerable target was the target the vulnerable target was the target the vulnerable target [music] and Savannah [music] and Savannah [music] and Savannah basically was like, "We're going to basically was like, "We're going to basically was like, "We're going to leverage Savannah's wealth by abducting leverage Savannah's wealth by abducting leverage Savannah's wealth by abducting Nancy Guthrie to [music] extort the Nancy Guthrie to [music] extort the Nancy Guthrie to [music] extort the money that we want in cryptocurrency." money that we want in cryptocurrency." money that we want in cryptocurrency." >> Okay. So, following >> Okay. So, following >> Okay. So, following >> presumably cuz that's like [music] the >> presumably cuz that's like [music] the >> presumably cuz that's like [music] the most untraceable or most untraceable or most untraceable or >> Yeah. That's what Yeah. way less >> Yeah. That's what Yeah. way less >> Yeah. That's what Yeah. way less traceable than any sort of other money traceable than any sort of other money traceable than any sort of other money transaction. So, what are the factors transaction. So, what are the factors transaction. So, what are the factors here? Savannah Guthrie, public figure, here? Savannah Guthrie, public figure, here? Savannah Guthrie, public figure, [music] right? We know that she likely [music] right? We know that she likely [music] right? We know that she likely does financially well given her job and does financially well given her job and does financially well given her job and what [music] she does. But there's two what [music] she does. But there's two what [music] she does. But there's two things that I think might have been the things that I think might have been the things that I think might have been the reason why this was the Savannah and reason why this was the Savannah and reason why this was the Savannah and Nancy Guthrie [music] target itself.

Nancy Guthrie [music] target itself. Nancy Guthrie [music] target itself. One, Savannah's always public, but she One, Savannah's always public, but she One, Savannah's always public, but she had been even more public lately because had been even more public lately because had been even more public lately because she was getting ready for coverage she was getting ready for coverage she was getting ready for coverage [music] of the Olympics. So, there was a [music] of the Olympics. So, there was a [music] of the Olympics. So, there was a ton of promo and press on NBC that was ton of promo and press on NBC that was ton of promo and press on NBC that was going on [music] about that. But they going on [music] about that. But they going on [music] about that. But they also had recently done these segments, also had recently done these segments, also had recently done these segments, the anchors of the Today Show, where the anchors of the Today Show, where the anchors of the Today Show, where they were going to their hometowns in they were going to their hometowns in they were going to their hometowns in November. And it's actually a really November. And it's actually a really November. And it's actually a really cool and cute story. I just rewatched it cool and cute story. I just rewatched it cool and cute story. I just rewatched it last [music] night. It's like 8 minutes last [music] night. It's like 8 minutes last [music] night. It's like 8 minutes of Savannah going back to Tucson, of Savannah going back to Tucson, of Savannah going back to Tucson, Arizona, checking out University of Arizona, checking out University of Arizona, checking out University of Arizona where she was, you know, looked Arizona where she was, you know, looked Arizona where she was, you know, looked [music] at sorority, where she ended up [music] at sorority, where she ended up [music] at sorority, where she ended up getting her law degree. Like she talked getting her law degree. Like she talked getting her law degree. Like she talked about all of that and then why she loves about all of that and then why she loves about all of that and then why she loves Tucson so much. And one of her favorite Tucson so much. And one of her favorite Tucson so much. And one of her favorite places in Tucson is this restaurant places in Tucson is this restaurant places in Tucson is this restaurant called Elcharo. And [music] in the called Elcharo. And [music] in the called Elcharo. And [music] in the piece, she goes there with her mom, piece, she goes there with her mom, piece, she goes there with her mom, Nancy, and her sister. And I mean, you Nancy, and her sister. And I mean, you Nancy, and her sister. And I mean, you can like feel the love. It's like so can like feel the love. It's like so can like feel the love. It's like so palpable as to like this family loves palpable as to like this family loves palpable as to like this family loves each other. They're talking about the each other. They're talking about the each other. They're talking about the history. And [music] Savannah's history. And [music] Savannah's history. And [music] Savannah's basically asking her mom in this like, basically asking her mom in this like, basically asking her mom in this like, you know, what made you stay in Tucson? you know, what made you stay in Tucson? you know, what made you stay in Tucson? And she was just like, I just love it. And she was just like, I just love it. And she was just like, I just love it. Like the pace of life, it's slower. She Like the pace of life, it's slower. She Like the pace of life, it's slower. She wants to watch the Havalina run. And wants to watch the Havalina run. And wants to watch the Havalina run. And like there had been neighbors that have like there had been neighbors that have like there had been neighbors that have posted on social media, too. Like she posted on social media, too. Like she posted on social media, too. Like she [music] installed cameras at her home [music] installed cameras at her home [music] installed cameras at her home because she wanted to see the wildlife.

because she wanted to see the wildlife. because she wanted to see the wildlife. like she wanted to see what Tucson, like she wanted to see what Tucson, like she wanted to see what Tucson, Arizona has to offer as your home. And Arizona has to offer as your home. And Arizona has to offer as your home. And [music] it's it's quick. Like she's not [music] it's it's quick. Like she's not [music] it's it's quick. Like she's not in it a ton, but you can see she's in it a ton, but you can see she's in it a ton, but you can see she's there. You can see why she loves it. there. You can see why she loves it. there. You can see why she loves it. Savannah's kind of showing the remote, Savannah's kind of showing the remote, Savannah's kind of showing the remote, you know, vast nature. We don't know if you know, vast nature. We don't know if you know, vast nature. We don't know if that's something that these people saw, that's something that these people saw, that's something that these people saw, but it was something that her mom was but it was something that her mom was but it was something that her mom was recently featured in that showed them recently featured in that showed them recently featured in that showed them like at home in Tucson and her mom is, like at home in Tucson and her mom is, like at home in Tucson and her mom is, you know, a vulnerable adult. [music] you know, a vulnerable adult. [music] you know, a vulnerable adult. [music] So, she had been very visible, right? So, she had been very visible, right? So, she had been very visible, right? Like that's what anybody would have seen Like that's what anybody would have seen Like that's what anybody would have seen Savannah on more. So there's basically Savannah on more. So there's basically Savannah on more. So there's basically two parts of this theory that come to two parts of this theory that come to two parts of this theory that come to play here. One, I'm going to refer to play here. One, I'm going to refer to play here. One, I'm going to refer to him or her as the mastermind. There's him or her as the mastermind. There's him or her as the mastermind. There's the mastermind who is likely overseas or the mastermind who is likely overseas or the mastermind who is likely overseas or foreign [music] who comes up with the foreign [music] who comes up with the foreign [music] who comes up with the digital plan of it all. Basically the digital plan of it all. Basically the digital plan of it all. Basically the sophisticated plan of the communication sophisticated plan of the communication sophisticated plan of the communication of how they're going to extort [music] of how they're going to extort [music] of how they're going to extort [music] this ransom in cryptocurrency. They're this ransom in cryptocurrency. They're this ransom in cryptocurrency. They're highly sophisticated. That's how you highly sophisticated. That's how you highly sophisticated. That's how you know to use the different IP addresses. know to use the different IP addresses. know to use the different IP addresses. They're using like this encrypted tip They're using like this encrypted tip They're using like this encrypted tip line. [music] line. [music] line. [music] This is somebody who knows what they're This is somebody who knows what they're This is somebody who knows what they're doing, right? Like this is something doing, right? Like this is something doing, right? Like this is something that they do. So you have the mastermind that they do. So you have the mastermind that they do. So you have the mastermind that comes up with the plan and then that comes up with the plan and then that comes up with the plan and then [music] according to this theory, they [music] according to this theory, they [music] according to this theory, they hire what we would call like the local hire what we would call like the local hire what we would call like the local actor or the local recruits, Porch Guy.

actor or the local recruits, Porch Guy. actor or the local recruits, Porch Guy. So Porch Guy likely was hired by the So Porch Guy likely was hired by the So Porch Guy likely was hired by the mastermind, somebody who's local to mastermind, somebody who's local to mastermind, somebody who's local to either southern Arizona, perhaps Mexico, either southern Arizona, perhaps Mexico, either southern Arizona, perhaps Mexico, and it could have been him and like and it could have been him and like and it could have been him and like maybe another person, right? We don't maybe another person, right? We don't maybe another person, right? We don't know if there was like a getaway car or know if there was like a getaway car or know if there was like a getaway car or somebody else that helped pull off like somebody else that helped pull off like somebody else that helped pull off like the physical abduction. And the physical abduction. And the physical abduction. And >> over and over and over again while >> over and over and over again while >> over and over and over again while reporting on this story, I had so many reporting on this story, I had so many reporting on this story, I had so many experts like retired FBI agents, retired experts like retired FBI agents, retired experts like retired FBI agents, retired homicide detectives tell me that based homicide detectives tell me that based homicide detectives tell me that based on the video and the way that this on the video and the way that this on the video and the way that this abduction was carried [music] out that abduction was carried [music] out that abduction was carried [music] out that this person was not a skilled criminal, this person was not a skilled criminal, this person was not a skilled criminal, like not sophisticated, this was a like not sophisticated, this was a like not sophisticated, this was a sloppy job, X, Y, and Z. [music] And I sloppy job, X, Y, and Z. [music] And I sloppy job, X, Y, and Z. [music] And I kept thinking, okay, but like pulled it kept thinking, okay, but like pulled it kept thinking, okay, but like pulled it off. Yeah. Like what? So, how how sloppy off. Yeah. Like what? So, how how sloppy off. Yeah. Like what? So, how how sloppy is it? And I think that that's where is it? And I think that that's where is it? And I think that that's where these [music] like two people come into these [music] like two people come into these [music] like two people come into play. The brains of it all is coming play. The brains of it all is coming play. The brains of it all is coming from the mastermind, the porch person, from the mastermind, the porch person, from the mastermind, the porch person, the abductor themselves [music] is just the abductor themselves [music] is just the abductor themselves [music] is just like being paid to carry out this job. like being paid to carry out this job. like being paid to carry out this job. And maybe they aren't super skilled, but And maybe they aren't super skilled, but And maybe they aren't super skilled, but they did enough to pull this off, right? they did enough to pull this off, right? they did enough to pull this off, right? So, it all starts as planned. The ransom So, it all starts as planned. The ransom So, it all starts as planned. The ransom not is sent. Here's your deadlines. not is sent. Here's your deadlines. not is sent. Here's your deadlines. [music] NY's been taken. We're going to [music] NY's been taken. We're going to [music] NY's been taken. We're going to get the money. And then the plan get the money. And then the plan get the money. And then the plan completely fails because they didn't completely fails because they didn't completely fails because they didn't account for her health condition and I account for her health condition and I account for her health condition and I don't think that they accounted for her don't think that they accounted for her don't think that they accounted for her [music] to die. And that's where this [music] to die. And that's where this [music] to die. And that's where this all kind of starts to fall off the all kind of starts to fall off the all kind of starts to fall off the tracks. So you've got the Guthrie family tracks. So you've got the Guthrie family tracks. So you've got the Guthrie family begging for proof of life. [music] begging for proof of life. [music] begging for proof of life. [music] >> They can't give it. So now you've got >> They can't give it. So now you've got >> They can't give it. So now you've got the ransom note from the mastermind the ransom note from the mastermind the ransom note from the mastermind who's like pretty cold, right? Like who's like pretty cold, right? Like who's like pretty cold, right? Like removed. This person is likely thousands removed. This person is likely thousands removed. This person is likely thousands of miles away. [music] does this, you of miles away. [music] does this, you of miles away. [music] does this, you know, for like a living and was just

know, for like a living and was just know, for like a living and was just like, "We didn't plan for that. Sorry. like, "We didn't plan for that. Sorry. like, "We didn't plan for that. Sorry. [music] Out right now." Porsche Guy left [music] Out right now." Porsche Guy left [music] Out right now." Porsche Guy left with Nancy has to find somewhere to bury with Nancy has to find somewhere to bury with Nancy has to find somewhere to bury her remains and tried [music] to get out her remains and tried [music] to get out her remains and tried [music] to get out unscathed. So, you've got this problem unscathed. So, you've got this problem unscathed. So, you've got this problem of now what do you do? Because if the of now what do you do? Because if the of now what do you do? Because if the mastermind had left, [music] mastermind had left, [music] mastermind had left, [music] like kind of left the investigation, like kind of left the investigation, like kind of left the investigation, like like like >> cut ties, didn't work out, moving on and >> cut ties, didn't work out, moving on and >> cut ties, didn't work out, moving on and porch guy or whoever is involved in the porch guy or whoever is involved in the porch guy or whoever is involved in the actual physical abduction of it buried actual physical abduction of it buried actual physical abduction of it buried her remains somewhere and fled, her remains somewhere and fled, her remains somewhere and fled, where do you go? [music] Like you're where do you go? [music] Like you're where do you go? [music] Like you're you're stuck. And and part of the you're stuck. And and part of the you're stuck. And and part of the problem here is the fact that if the problem here is the fact that if the problem here is the fact that if the mastermind is foreign, right? And and mastermind is foreign, right? And and mastermind is foreign, right? And and what leads us to believe that is that's what leads us to believe that is that's what leads us to believe that is that's the person writing these ransom notes. the person writing these ransom notes. the person writing these ransom notes. USD [music] USD [music] USD [music] >> USD perished like things you maybe >> USD perished like things you maybe >> USD perished like things you maybe almost would either use a translator almost would either use a translator almost would either use a translator perhaps like chat GBT I don't even know perhaps like chat GBT I don't even know perhaps like chat GBT I don't even know but like things that you and I would not but like things that you and I would not but like things that you and I would not say to each other is likely coming from say to each other is likely coming from say to each other is likely coming from this person that is this person that is this person that is >> concocting this whole plan from afar now >> concocting this whole plan from afar now >> concocting this whole plan from afar now it's possible the FBI knows more than we it's possible the FBI knows more than we it's possible the FBI knows more than we know and they maybe are able to figure know and they maybe are able to figure know and they maybe are able to figure out like where this person is but it is out like where this person is but it is out like where this person is but it is also possible that wherever this person also possible that wherever this person also possible that wherever this person is doesn't subpoena or extradite to the is doesn't subpoena or extradite to the is doesn't subpoena or extradite to the United States of [music] America so that United States of [music] America so that United States of [music] America so that could be a huge problem with like access could be a huge problem with like access could be a huge problem with like access that the FBI could it. It's also that the FBI could it. It's also that the FBI could it. It's also possible that they've [music] encrypted possible that they've [music] encrypted possible that they've [music] encrypted everything and there is just no trace of everything and there is just no trace of everything and there is just no trace of them. So now the question according to them. So now the question according to them. So now the question according to this theory and with Lisa Miller who this theory and with Lisa Miller who this theory and with Lisa Miller who came who you know shared this with me came who you know shared this with me came who you know shared this with me was like so now what if the mastermind was like so now what if the mastermind was like so now what if the mastermind and porch guy have cut ties with each and porch guy have cut ties with each and porch guy have cut ties with each other? The mastermind may know why the

other? The mastermind may know why the other? The mastermind may know why the plan was concocted how they came up with plan was concocted how they came up with plan was concocted how they came up with Nancy and Savannah [music] Nancy and Savannah [music] Nancy and Savannah [music] what they wanted to do with it but they what they wanted to do with it but they what they wanted to do with it but they may not know where Nancy is now her may not know where Nancy is now her may not know where Nancy is now her remains [music] and porch guy may know remains [music] and porch guy may know remains [music] and porch guy may know where Nancy is now. It's likely that where Nancy is now. It's likely that where Nancy is now. It's likely that that person has [music] fled either that person has [music] fled either that person has [music] fled either possibly to Mexico, knows where Nancy possibly to Mexico, knows where Nancy possibly to Mexico, knows where Nancy is, isn't telling mastermind, and is, isn't telling mastermind, and is, isn't telling mastermind, and doesn't really know why the plan ever doesn't really know why the plan ever doesn't really know why the plan ever came to fruition in the first place. came to fruition in the first place. came to fruition in the first place. Porch guy may not even know the identity Porch guy may not even know the identity Porch guy may not even know the identity of the mastermind, [music] of the mastermind, [music] of the mastermind, [music] just getting paid for a job. So, if just getting paid for a job. So, if just getting paid for a job. So, if they're not communicating, they're not communicating, they're not communicating, you're stalled. Who sends the second you're stalled. Who sends the second you're stalled. Who sends the second note in this scenario? [music] note in this scenario? [music] note in this scenario? [music] >> Mastermind. All communication in this >> Mastermind. All communication in this >> Mastermind. All communication in this theory is coming from the mastermind theory is coming from the mastermind theory is coming from the mastermind themselves. all the communication. themselves. all the communication. themselves. all the communication. >> If he doesn't care though, like why >> If he doesn't care though, like why >> If he doesn't care though, like why bother? Why take the risk? Why bother bother? Why take the risk? Why bother bother? Why take the risk? Why bother sending that? sending that? sending that? >> The second one. Yeah. Or the first one. >> The second one. Yeah. Or the first one. >> The second one. Yeah. Or the first one. >> The second [music] one. >> The second [music] one. >> The second [music] one. >> I think because he wanted to like >> I think because he wanted to like >> I think because he wanted to like done cut ties. This isn't going to work. done cut ties. This isn't going to work. done cut ties. This isn't going to work. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> you won't hear from me again. Like, >> you won't hear from me again. Like, >> you won't hear from me again. Like, right. Like, you're not going to hear right. Like, you're not going to hear right. Like, you're not going to hear from me again. We're done here. [music] from me again. We're done here. [music] from me again. We're done here. [music] And kind of like put that like closing And kind of like put that like closing And kind of like put that like closing chapter. And if that is the case, that chapter. And if that is the case, that chapter. And if that is the case, that ended in the first week of this ended in the first week of this ended in the first week of this investigation. [music] investigation. [music] investigation. [music] Everything. She'd passed. This would be Everything. She'd passed. This would be Everything. She'd passed. This would be the last communication. Wow. So now the last communication. Wow. So now the last communication. Wow. So now what? [music] Right. According to this what? [music] Right. According to this what? [music] Right. According to this theory, for there to be any movement, theory, for there to be any movement, theory, for there to be any movement, you would need [music] there to be you would need [music] there to be you would need [music] there to be incentive for the mastermind and/or incentive for the mastermind and/or incentive for the mastermind and/or porch guy to come forward with more porch guy to come forward with more porch guy to come forward with more information about where NY's remains information about where NY's remains information about where NY's remains are. And to believe that they could are. And to believe that they could are. And to believe that they could still make a buck from doing that.

still make a buck from doing that. still make a buck from doing that. Money. [music] Money. [music] Money. [music] Money. Savannah Guthrie and the Guthrie Money. Savannah Guthrie and the Guthrie Money. Savannah Guthrie and the Guthrie family has been pretty outspoken that family has been pretty outspoken that family has been pretty outspoken that they will pay to receive Nancy. They they will pay to receive Nancy. They they will pay to receive Nancy. They want to bring her home. They want want to bring her home. They want want to bring her home. They want closure. If she has passed [music] closure. If she has passed [music] closure. If she has passed [music] as they believe she has, they obviously as they believe she has, they obviously as they believe she has, they obviously want to like pay their respects, say want to like pay their respects, say want to like pay their respects, say their goodbyes, and like have her home. their goodbyes, and like have her home. their goodbyes, and like have her home. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, is that enough for them to come back >> So, is that enough for them to come back >> So, is that enough for them to come back forward? So, I only see four options forward? So, I only see four options forward? So, I only see four options forward [music] here if this theory is forward [music] here if this theory is forward [music] here if this theory is correct. One, the mastermind reopens correct. One, the mastermind reopens correct. One, the mastermind reopens communication with the Guthrie family. communication with the Guthrie family. communication with the Guthrie family. Is [music] that through a news station Is [music] that through a news station Is [music] that through a news station tip line? Is that directly to them? I tip line? Is that directly to them? I tip line? Is that directly to them? I don't know. Obviously, huge liability don't know. Obviously, huge liability don't know. Obviously, huge liability there if they do that, but if they feel there if they do that, but if they feel there if they do that, but if they feel like they can get the money, that's one like they can get the money, that's one like they can get the money, that's one way. Number two, DNA [music] results way. Number two, DNA [music] results way. Number two, DNA [music] results come back and they identify who Porch come back and they identify who Porch come back and they identify who Porch Guy is. Guy is. Guy is. >> That would be great if that happened. I >> That would be great if that happened. I >> That would be great if that happened. I don't know if that's possible. [music] don't know if that's possible. [music] don't know if that's possible. [music] Number three, somebody comes forward Number three, somebody comes forward Number three, somebody comes forward with information who can identify with information who can identify with information who can identify Porsche Guy, which we were hopeful for 6 Porsche Guy, which we were hopeful for 6 Porsche Guy, which we were hopeful for 6 months ago. And number four, and this months ago. And number four, and this months ago. And number four, and this might honestly be what I [music] think might honestly be what I [music] think might honestly be what I [music] think is realistic, that Nancy Gothur's is realistic, that Nancy Gothur's is realistic, that Nancy Gothur's remains are eventually found somewhere remains are eventually found somewhere remains are eventually found somewhere in nature by like a hiker or somebody in nature by like a hiker or somebody in nature by like a hiker or somebody [music] doing target practice out in a [music] doing target practice out in a [music] doing target practice out in a rural area. I do think it's possible rural area. I do think it's possible rural area. I do think it's possible they're in the desert in southern they're in the desert in southern they're in the desert in southern Arizona. That's a lot of desert. It's so Arizona. That's a lot of desert. It's so Arizona. That's a lot of desert. It's so vast. You and I have both been there.

vast. You and I have both been there. vast. You and I have both been there. [music] I mean, it is just it could be [music] I mean, it is just it could be [music] I mean, it is just it could be years. And I do think that that's how years. And I do think that that's how years. And I do think that that's how possibly that she [music] will be found. possibly that she [music] will be found. possibly that she [music] will be found. But all of these like lack actual But all of these like lack actual But all of these like lack actual answers like who is the mastermind if answers like who is the mastermind if answers like who is the mastermind if that's true? Who is porch guy? Will we that's true? Who is porch guy? Will we that's true? Who is porch guy? Will we ever get the why? ever get the why? ever get the why? >> Yeah, I don't know. But obviously like >> Yeah, I don't know. But obviously like >> Yeah, I don't know. But obviously like number one now is just like bring number one now is just like bring number one now is just like bring [music] Nancy home. And how I think the [music] Nancy home. And how I think the [music] Nancy home. And how I think the question I have is like how often is question I have is like how often is question I have is like how often is this happening? This seems like not a this happening? This seems like not a this happening? This seems like not a one-off thing, [music] right? This seems one-off thing, [music] right? This seems one-off thing, [music] right? This seems like a practiced like you you knew like a practiced like you you knew like a practiced like you you knew exactly what to do. There's a name for exactly what to do. There's a name for exactly what to do. There's a name for this, right? This wrenching or whatever. this, right? This wrenching or whatever. this, right? This wrenching or whatever. >> Like how often is this happening, but >> Like how often is this happening, but >> Like how often is this happening, but it's not Savannah [music] Guthri's mom? it's not Savannah [music] Guthri's mom? it's not Savannah [music] Guthri's mom? You know what I mean? I think more than You know what I mean? I think more than You know what I mean? I think more than we think because when I was going and we think because when I was going and we think because when I was going and looking up the wrench attack like not looking up the wrench attack like not looking up the wrench attack like not [music] just the definition but just [music] just the definition but just [music] just the definition but just more reporting on them. I noticed like more reporting on them. I noticed like more reporting on them. I noticed like an Associated Press article came up from an Associated Press article came up from an Associated Press article came up from last year like there was more articles last year like there was more articles last year like there was more articles that were coming up about this rise in that were coming up about this rise in that were coming up about this rise in wrench attacks [music] wrench attacks [music] wrench attacks [music] and this one just might be a little bit and this one just might be a little bit and this one just might be a little bit of a different one and yes has gotten of a different one and yes has gotten of a different one and yes has gotten immense spotlight because it is Savannah immense spotlight because it is Savannah immense spotlight because it is Savannah Guthri's mom but this is something that Guthri's mom but this is something that Guthri's mom but this is something that seems to be on the rise like targeting seems to be on the rise like targeting seems to be on the rise like targeting digital assets. The the fact of it digital assets. The the fact of it digital assets. The the fact of it though is like how were they able to though is like how were they able to though is like how were they able to pull off an abduction of a grandma?

pull off an abduction of a grandma? pull off an abduction of a grandma? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In 2026 [music] >> In 2026 [music] >> In 2026 [music] where DNA is huge, where cameras are where DNA is huge, where cameras are where DNA is huge, where cameras are huge? Like I still can't believe that huge? Like I still can't believe that huge? Like I still can't believe that we're here now. [music] Do you think we're here now. [music] Do you think we're here now. [music] Do you think they're going to come out and do a press they're going to come out and do a press they're going to come out and do a press conference or say anything or like is is conference or say anything or like is is conference or say anything or like is is it just going to be like silence still? it just going to be like silence still? it just going to be like silence still? I think that a press conference will I think that a press conference will I think that a press conference will happen only if there is a massive happen only if there is a massive happen only if there is a massive update. I do say that though and we update. I do say that though and we update. I do say that though and we thought that the video when it was thought that the video when it was thought that the video when it was released of the abductor was a massive released of the abductor was a massive released of the abductor was a massive update and they didn't do a press update and they didn't do a press update and they didn't do a press conference then either. But like I think conference then either. But like I think conference then either. But like I think at this point the [music] options are at this point the [music] options are at this point the [music] options are like either they identify who Porch guy like either they identify who Porch guy like either they identify who Porch guy is and they arrest him and that's a is and they arrest him and that's a is and they arrest him and that's a press conference. They identify where press conference. They identify where press conference. They identify where these ransom notes are coming in from or these ransom notes are coming in from or these ransom notes are coming in from or deem them like these are legit. We've deem them like these are legit. We've deem them like these are legit. We've identified who they came came in from. identified who they came came in from. identified who they came came in from. That's a press conference. Or obviously That's a press conference. Or obviously That's a press conference. Or obviously if Nancy [music] if Nancy [music] if Nancy [music] >> is found but it just feels like so radio >> is found but it just feels like so radio >> is found but it just feels like so radio silent right this second and that's the silent right this second and that's the silent right this second and that's the problem. people have like relied on problem. people have like relied on problem. people have like relied on inside sources to try to come forward inside sources to try to come forward inside sources to try to come forward with any information because we've with any information because we've with any information because we've learned not a lot from the actual learned not a lot from the actual learned not a lot from the actual agencies. They're not saying a lot. And agencies. They're not saying a lot. And agencies. They're not saying a lot. And so it just leaves people like wondering, so it just leaves people like wondering, so it just leaves people like wondering, speculating, [music] guessing, speculating, [music] guessing, speculating, [music] guessing, theorizing and and I do think that this theorizing and and I do think that this theorizing and and I do think that this could be credible and it based on could be credible and it based on could be credible and it based on everything we know, right? Like the way everything we know, right? Like the way everything we know, right? Like the way these are written and like how this has these are written and like how this has these are written and like how this has been carried out, this is possible, but been carried out, this is possible, but been carried out, this is possible, but it's still really unsettling. Like we it's still really unsettling. Like we it's still really unsettling. Like we don't know what happens. So, I'm going don't know what happens. So, I'm going don't know what happens. So, I'm going to be back in Arizona [music] to be back in Arizona [music] to be back in Arizona [music] and I am going to stay on top of this and I am going to stay on top of this and I am going to stay on top of this case. Like, I've never seen something case. Like, I've never seen something case. Like, I've never seen something like this. And [music] I hope for like this. And [music] I hope for like this. And [music] I hope for everybody's sake that we get some everybody's sake that we get some everybody's sake that we get some answers here, that the Guthrie family answers here, that the Guthrie family answers here, that the Guthrie family gets closure.

gets closure. gets closure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I hope the crime junkies can watch and >> I hope the crime junkies can watch and >> I hope the crime junkies can watch and listen [music] to this and feel a lot listen [music] to this and feel a lot listen [music] to this and feel a lot more educated about everything that's more educated about everything that's more educated about everything that's gone on in this case and like really gone on in this case and like really gone on in this case and like really understand what's at [music] stake here understand what's at [music] stake here understand what's at [music] stake here and what's been said in hopes that like and what's been said in hopes that like and what's been said in hopes that like there are answers sometime soon. there are answers sometime soon. there are answers sometime soon. >> Yeah. So, make sure you guys hit the >> Yeah. So, make sure you guys hit the >> Yeah. So, make sure you guys hit the bell notification. Like Brianna said, bell notification. Like Brianna said, bell notification. Like Brianna said, she's going to be back in Arizona. So, she's going to be back in Arizona. So, she's going to be back in Arizona. So, if anything happens, she's going to be if anything happens, she's going to be if anything happens, she's going to be boots on the ground. [music] boots on the ground. [music] boots on the ground. [music] Still reporting from Arizona and you'll Still reporting from Arizona and you'll Still reporting from Arizona and you'll be back every Wednesday also with be back every Wednesday also with be back every Wednesday also with headlines episodes of [music] other headlines episodes of [music] other headlines episodes of [music] other cases that you guys need to be in the cases that you guys need to be in the cases that you guys need to be in the know about. know about. know about. >> Yeah. Thanks for joining me. This is >> Yeah. Thanks for joining me. This is >> Yeah. Thanks for joining me. This is great.