Dorothy “Toby” Tate: A Beach Trip, a Broken Window and a Murder on Highway 1

Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. >> And I'm Brit. >> And I'm Brit. >> And I'm Brit. >> And today, I'm going to tell you about a >> And today, I'm going to tell you about a >> And today, I'm going to tell you about a case that nobody thought would ever be case that nobody thought would ever be case that nobody thought would ever be resolved. One that spent decades resolved. One that spent decades resolved. One that spent decades collecting dust in a file box at the St. collecting dust in a file box at the St. collecting dust in a file box at the St. Louis Abyspo County Sheriff's Office Louis Abyspo County Sheriff's Office Louis Abyspo County Sheriff's Office with nobody even assigned to it at all. with nobody even assigned to it at all. with nobody even assigned to it at all. Until two detectives decided to take Until two detectives decided to take Until two detectives decided to take another [music] look. And all of a another [music] look. And all of a another [music] look. And all of a sudden, after 40 years, the hazy picture sudden, after 40 years, the hazy picture sudden, after 40 years, the hazy picture of a fatal 1983 burglary gone wrong of a fatal 1983 burglary gone wrong of a fatal 1983 burglary gone wrong started to come into focus. And started to come into focus. And started to come into focus. And preserved DNA evidence revealed a twist preserved DNA evidence revealed a twist preserved DNA evidence revealed a twist that no one saw coming. This is the that no one saw coming. This is the that no one saw coming. This is the story of Dorothy Toby Tate. Let me take you back to November 15th, Let me take you back to November 15th, 1983, just before 11:00 a.m. when 1983, just before 11:00 a.m. when 1983, just before 11:00 a.m. when sheriff's deputies are dispatched to the sheriff's deputies are dispatched to the sheriff's deputies are dispatched to the scene of what seems like a car accident scene of what seems like a car accident scene of what seems like a car accident on a dirt road just off Highway 1 by the on a dirt road just off Highway 1 by the on a dirt road just off Highway 1 by the beach. There they find a 1980 Chevy beach. There they find a 1980 Chevy beach. There they find a 1980 Chevy camper van like halfway off the road.

camper van like halfway off the road. camper van like halfway off the road. Its passenger side fender is damaged. Its passenger side fender is damaged. Its passenger side fender is damaged. The hood is slightly bent and both front The hood is slightly bent and both front The hood is slightly bent and both front passenger windows are shattered. Though passenger windows are shattered. Though passenger windows are shattered. Though it's unclear what caused the damage it's unclear what caused the damage it's unclear what caused the damage because there is nothing else around. It because there is nothing else around. It because there is nothing else around. It doesn't look like the wreckage from a doesn't look like the wreckage from a doesn't look like the wreckage from a fatal crash by any means. More of like a fatal crash by any means. More of like a fatal crash by any means. More of like a low-speed collision. But someone was low-speed collision. But someone was low-speed collision. But someone was clearly injured. There is [music] blood clearly injured. There is [music] blood clearly injured. There is [music] blood spatter by the driver's seat and blood spatter by the driver's seat and blood spatter by the driver's seat and blood running down the inside of the driver's running down the inside of the driver's running down the inside of the driver's door. Strangely though, both the driver door. Strangely though, both the driver door. Strangely though, both the driver and passenger seats are empty. And and passenger seats are empty. And and passenger seats are empty. And that's when deputies notice something is that's when deputies notice something is that's when deputies notice something is seeping out from the closed sliding door seeping out from the closed sliding door seeping out from the closed sliding door of the van and like [music] pooling in of the van and like [music] pooling in of the van and like [music] pooling in the dirt. And when a deputy slides open the dirt. And when a deputy slides open the dirt. And when a deputy slides open the van's rear door, he [music] finds the van's rear door, he [music] finds the van's rear door, he [music] finds the source. It is coming from the woman the source. It is coming from the woman the source. It is coming from the woman who must have been in the driver's seat who must have been in the driver's seat who must have been in the driver's seat [music] [music] [music] because she is laying on the floor of because she is laying on the floor of because she is laying on the floor of the cargo area, clearly dead from a the cargo area, clearly dead from a the cargo area, clearly dead from a wound to her head, which is where all wound to her head, which is where all wound to her head, which is where all that blood was coming from. But there is that blood was coming from. But there is that blood was coming from. But there is no way she got that wound from this no way she got that wound from this no way she got that wound from this minor crash. [music] It is a single minor crash. [music] It is a single minor crash. [music] It is a single gunshot wound below the woman's left ear gunshot wound below the woman's left ear gunshot wound below the woman's left ear from [music] a 45 caliber pistol that from [music] a 45 caliber pistol that from [music] a 45 caliber pistol that killed her. Now, there's also a dog in killed her. Now, there's also a dog in killed her. Now, there's also a dog in the van with this woman, alive [music] the van with this woman, alive [music] the van with this woman, alive [music] and unharmed. And then there is another and unharmed. And then there is another and unharmed. And then there is another dog wandering around outside. [music] dog wandering around outside. [music] dog wandering around outside. [music] And judging by the two leashes still And judging by the two leashes still And judging by the two leashes still draped around this woman's neck, those draped around this woman's neck, those draped around this woman's neck, those were likely her babies. Now, how were likely her babies. Now, how were likely her babies. Now, how everything fits together isn't totally everything fits together isn't totally everything fits together isn't totally clear [music] yet. Like when the crash

clear [music] yet. Like when the crash clear [music] yet. Like when the crash happened or how she got from the front happened or how she got from the front happened or how she got from the front seat to the back, but one thing is seat to the back, but one thing is seat to the back, but one thing is clear. There may have been a vehicle clear. There may have been a vehicle clear. There may have been a vehicle collision, but this death was not the collision, but this death was not the collision, but this death was not the result of an accident. This was murder. result of an accident. This was murder. result of an accident. This was murder. And judging from the trail of blood And judging from the trail of blood And judging from the trail of blood droplets leading away from the van, droplets leading away from the van, droplets leading away from the van, somebody walked away from this incident somebody walked away from this incident somebody walked away from this incident [music] [music] [music] alive. But who that was and what role alive. But who that was and what role alive. But who that was and what role they might have played in this, only they might have played in this, only they might have played in this, only time would tell. For now, they felt time would tell. For now, they felt time would tell. For now, they felt pretty confident that their victim pretty confident that their victim pretty confident that their victim [music] was Toby Tate. She didn't have a [music] was Toby Tate. She didn't have a [music] was Toby Tate. She didn't have a wallet or an ID in the van, but luggage wallet or an ID in the van, but luggage wallet or an ID in the van, but luggage in the back that had a name on the tags in the back that had a name on the tags in the back that had a name on the tags along with an address in Texas [music] along with an address in Texas [music] along with an address in Texas [music] led them to Toby's family. So, that's led them to Toby's family. So, that's led them to Toby's family. So, that's how investigators began to fill in some how investigators began to fill in some how investigators began to fill in some of the blanks. [music] They learned that of the blanks. [music] They learned that of the blanks. [music] They learned that 41-year-old Toby was the oldest of three 41-year-old Toby was the oldest of three 41-year-old Toby was the oldest of three girls. And according to her sister, girls. And according to her sister, girls. And according to her sister, Priscilla, she was a free spirit. She Priscilla, she was a free spirit. She Priscilla, she was a free spirit. She had spent her adulthood traveling around had spent her adulthood traveling around had spent her adulthood traveling around the country in her van, which she named the country in her van, which she named the country in her van, which she named Esmeralda. And I love a woman who has Esmeralda. And I love a woman who has Esmeralda. And I love a woman who has like led multiple lives. Not in like a like led multiple lives. Not in like a like led multiple lives. Not in like a devious double life kind of way, but devious double life kind of way, but devious double life kind of way, but like the kind of person who takes like the kind of person who takes like the kind of person who takes chances, who's tried things and like chances, who's tried things and like chances, who's tried things and like reinvented themselves in hopes of reinvented themselves in hopes of reinvented themselves in hopes of finding something or finding themselves.

finding something or finding themselves. finding something or finding themselves. >> So Toby traveled all over with >> So Toby traveled all over with >> So Toby traveled all over with Esmeralda. I mean, she picked up gigs as Esmeralda. I mean, she picked up gigs as Esmeralda. I mean, she picked up gigs as a nanny, a bartender, a photographer, a nanny, a bartender, a photographer, a nanny, a bartender, a photographer, even a dog breeder at one point. And all even a dog breeder at one point. And all even a dog breeder at one point. And all along the way, she would gather friends. along the way, she would gather friends. along the way, she would gather friends. In [music] fact, just as an aside, In [music] fact, just as an aside, In [music] fact, just as an aside, Priscilla told us that after Toby died, Priscilla told us that after Toby died, Priscilla told us that after Toby died, their dad was just downright shocked at their dad was just downright shocked at their dad was just downright shocked at the number of letters that started the number of letters that started the number of letters that started coming in from people mourning Toby from coming in from people mourning Toby from coming in from people mourning Toby from all over the country. Now, in the years all over the country. Now, in the years all over the country. Now, in the years before her murder, Toby worked on an before her murder, Toby worked on an before her murder, Toby worked on an indigenous reserve in British Columbia, indigenous reserve in British Columbia, indigenous reserve in British Columbia, restoring a church, and then she moved restoring a church, and then she moved restoring a church, and then she moved back home with her family in Dallas, back home with her family in Dallas, back home with her family in Dallas, where she designed gardens. But she had where she designed gardens. But she had where she designed gardens. But she had just bought her own house in Colorado, just bought her own house in Colorado, just bought her own house in Colorado, where she planned to grow her cleaning where she planned to grow her cleaning where she planned to grow her cleaning business. business. business. >> Okay. But Colorado, what was she doing >> Okay. But Colorado, what was she doing >> Okay. But Colorado, what was she doing out in California then? out in California then? out in California then? >> She was being an amazing niece because >> She was being an amazing niece because >> She was being an amazing niece because Priscilla told us that Toby had driven Priscilla told us that Toby had driven Priscilla told us that Toby had driven up to the Bay Area because one of her up to the Bay Area because one of her up to the Bay Area because one of her twin aunts had passed away and the other twin aunts had passed away and the other twin aunts had passed away and the other one had never spent a birthday alone one had never spent a birthday alone one had never spent a birthday alone before. So Toby's plan was to like take before. So Toby's plan was to like take before. So Toby's plan was to like take her van, take her two dogs out there to her van, take her two dogs out there to her van, take her two dogs out there to like be with her aunt and then from like be with her aunt and then from like be with her aunt and then from there she was going to travel down to LA there she was going to travel down to LA there she was going to travel down to LA to visit a friend like kind of camping to visit a friend like kind of camping to visit a friend like kind of camping along [music] the way. Now, detectives along [music] the way. Now, detectives along [music] the way. Now, detectives are able to confirm that Toby had made are able to confirm that Toby had made are able to confirm that Toby had made it to her aunt's house. She was actually it to her aunt's house. She was actually it to her aunt's house. She was actually there the morning before she was found.

there the morning before she was found. there the morning before she was found. This would have been November 14th, This would have been November 14th, This would have been November 14th, 1983. [music] 1983. [music] 1983. [music] And then she did. From there, her and And then she did. From there, her and And then she did. From there, her and her dogs took off for LA. But from the her dogs took off for LA. But from the her dogs took off for LA. But from the location of the crime scene, it seems location of the crime scene, it seems location of the crime scene, it seems like she only made it about halfway. A like she only made it about halfway. A like she only made it about halfway. A receipt on Toby's dashboard showed that receipt on Toby's dashboard showed that receipt on Toby's dashboard showed that she had checked into a campground by the she had checked into a campground by the she had checked into a campground by the beach on the same afternoon that she had beach on the same afternoon that she had beach on the same afternoon that she had left her aunts. [music] is San Simeon left her aunts. [music] is San Simeon left her aunts. [music] is San Simeon State Park, which is about 10 miles from State Park, which is about 10 miles from State Park, which is about 10 miles from the crime scene. [music] Now, detectives the crime scene. [music] Now, detectives the crime scene. [music] Now, detectives checked this out to see if anyone there checked this out to see if anyone there checked this out to see if anyone there had seen her with people or noticed like had seen her with people or noticed like had seen her with people or noticed like somebody paying attention to her. Nobody somebody paying attention to her. Nobody somebody paying attention to her. Nobody had, but that might have been because, had, but that might have been because, had, but that might have been because, as detectives learn from a ranger, Toby as detectives learn from a ranger, Toby as detectives learn from a ranger, Toby had done a self-registration, which is had done a self-registration, which is had done a self-registration, which is what you do when there is nobody on what you do when there is nobody on what you do when there is nobody on duty. You basically fill out a receipt, duty. You basically fill out a receipt, duty. You basically fill out a receipt, attach your money to it, and then like attach your money to it, and then like attach your money to it, and then like drop it in this little lock box. drop it in this little lock box. drop it in this little lock box. >> Oh. Strangely though, when the ranger >> Oh. Strangely though, when the ranger >> Oh. Strangely though, when the ranger looks into this, he finds two receipts looks into this, he finds two receipts looks into this, he finds two receipts for that same campsite. [music] He finds for that same campsite. [music] He finds for that same campsite. [music] He finds Toby's and then he finds another Toby's and then he finds another Toby's and then he finds another person's. Except this second person person's. Except this second person person's. Except this second person didn't fill out their receipt properly.

didn't fill out their receipt properly. didn't fill out their receipt properly. Like they wrote down their name, but Like they wrote down their name, but Like they wrote down their name, but under license plate they just put under license plate they just put under license plate they just put Arizona. Like no number. And of course, Arizona. Like no number. And of course, Arizona. Like no number. And of course, investigators are wondering if maybe investigators are wondering if maybe investigators are wondering if maybe this is where Toby encountered somebody. this is where Toby encountered somebody. this is where Toby encountered somebody. But it's also possible that this double But it's also possible that this double But it's also possible that this double registration was just a total fluke cuz registration was just a total fluke cuz registration was just a total fluke cuz it's not like she was attacked there at it's not like she was attacked there at it's not like she was attacked there at the campsite right the campsite right the campsite right >> now. They determined that she died >> now. They determined that she died >> now. They determined that she died sometime in the evening hours of the sometime in the evening hours of the sometime in the evening hours of the 14th [music] and it happened right where 14th [music] and it happened right where 14th [music] and it happened right where she was found at the beach. she was found at the beach. she was found at the beach. >> Not the campsite. So how do they know >> Not the campsite. So how do they know >> Not the campsite. So how do they know that exactly? that exactly? that exactly? >> Cuz all of the evidence that paints a >> Cuz all of the evidence that paints a >> Cuz all of the evidence that paints a picture for them. Starting with what picture for them. Starting with what picture for them. Starting with what they find from Priscilla. So, she says they find from Priscilla. So, she says they find from Priscilla. So, she says that she talked to her sister on the that she talked to her sister on the that she talked to her sister on the phone the night before her murder and phone the night before her murder and phone the night before her murder and Toby said that her dogs had never been Toby said that her dogs had never been Toby said that her dogs had never been to the Pacific Ocean. So, she was going to the Pacific Ocean. So, she was going to the Pacific Ocean. So, she was going to head south to LA and she wanted to to head south to LA and she wanted to to head south to LA and she wanted to take them for a run on the beach. Now, take them for a run on the beach. Now, take them for a run on the beach. Now, Toby was fully clothed when she was Toby was fully clothed when she was Toby was fully clothed when she was found, even had her shoes on and socks found, even had her shoes on and socks found, even had her shoes on and socks on, but the coroner found sand between on, but the coroner found sand between on, but the coroner found sand between her toes. So that the call with her toes. So that the call with her toes. So that the call with Priscilla and the location of her van Priscilla and the location of her van Priscilla and the location of her van just steps away from the beach kind of just steps away from the beach kind of just steps away from the beach kind of bring things into focus. So bring things into focus. So bring things into focus. So investigators think that Toby left her investigators think that Toby left her investigators think that Toby left her campsite that [music] evening safe and campsite that [music] evening safe and campsite that [music] evening safe and sound, went to the beach with her dogs sound, went to the beach with her dogs sound, went to the beach with her dogs to run, and then when she got back to to run, and then when she got back to to run, and then when she got back to her van, she was ambushed. But they her van, she was ambushed. But they her van, she was ambushed. But they think that it all started about 20 yard think that it all started about 20 yard think that it all started about 20 yard up from where the van ultimately landed up from where the van ultimately landed up from where the van ultimately landed because up that way is where they found because up that way is where they found because up that way is where they found a bullet casing. So they think that Toby a bullet casing. So they think that Toby a bullet casing. So they think that Toby started up her van as evidenced by them

started up her van as evidenced by them started up her van as evidenced by them finding keys in the ignition and it finding keys in the ignition and it finding keys in the ignition and it being in the on position. But just as being in the on position. But just as being in the on position. But just as she began to move, whoever ambushed her she began to move, whoever ambushed her she began to move, whoever ambushed her was like still standing outside of her was like still standing outside of her was like still standing outside of her van and shot her through the driver's van and shot her through the driver's van and shot her through the driver's side window, which they can tell from side window, which they can tell from side window, which they can tell from the shattered glass. They can tell that the shattered glass. They can tell that the shattered glass. They can tell that from the bullet trajectory and the blood from the bullet trajectory and the blood from the bullet trajectory and the blood patterns. And given the location of the patterns. And given the location of the patterns. And given the location of the gunshot wound, she would have died gunshot wound, she would have died gunshot wound, she would have died instantly. [music] instantly. [music] instantly. [music] But the thinking is that the van But the thinking is that the van But the thinking is that the van continued rolling after Toby had been continued rolling after Toby had been continued rolling after Toby had been shot. So it wasn't until her van hit shot. So it wasn't until her van hit shot. So it wasn't until her van hit something that it knocked her foot off something that it knocked her foot off something that it knocked her foot off the gas and then like rolled to a stop. the gas and then like rolled to a stop. the gas and then like rolled to a stop. And investigators believe that something And investigators believe that something And investigators believe that something was likely the suspect's vehicle. was likely the suspect's vehicle. was likely the suspect's vehicle. Probably one of the only other vehicles Probably one of the only other vehicles Probably one of the only other vehicles out there at the time of her murder. out there at the time of her murder. out there at the time of her murder. >> And I mean it obviously wasn't like a >> And I mean it obviously wasn't like a >> And I mean it obviously wasn't like a random person's car or they probably random person's car or they probably random person's car or they probably would have reported it would have reported it would have reported it >> precisely. Now, because she died >> precisely. Now, because she died >> precisely. Now, because she died instantly, they know that she couldn't instantly, they know that she couldn't instantly, they know that she couldn't have crawled into the back of the van on have crawled into the back of the van on have crawled into the back of the van on her own, her own, her own, >> meaning the suspect moved her there >> meaning the suspect moved her there >> meaning the suspect moved her there then. then. then. >> Correct. It seems like the suspect gets >> Correct. It seems like the suspect gets >> Correct. It seems like the suspect gets into the van and drags her out of the into the van and drags her out of the into the van and drags her out of the driver's seat into where she would driver's seat into where she would driver's seat into where she would ultimately be found in the back. And ultimately be found in the back. And ultimately be found in the back. And they dropped something while doing this.

they dropped something while doing this. they dropped something while doing this. A cigarette is found next to Toby's body A cigarette is found next to Toby's body A cigarette is found next to Toby's body in the back. and she wasn't a smoker. in the back. and she wasn't a smoker. in the back. and she wasn't a smoker. So, they think that it probably fell out So, they think that it probably fell out So, they think that it probably fell out of the suspect's pocket like while they of the suspect's pocket like while they of the suspect's pocket like while they were moving her. were moving her. were moving her. >> Okay. But what I can't figure out is >> Okay. But what I can't figure out is >> Okay. But what I can't figure out is like why stick around to move her and like why stick around to move her and like why stick around to move her and risk getting caught? Like that's going risk getting caught? Like that's going risk getting caught? Like that's going to take more time. to take more time. to take more time. >> So, the detectives that we talked to >> So, the detectives that we talked to >> So, the detectives that we talked to theorized that like this whole ambush theorized that like this whole ambush theorized that like this whole ambush was just some kind of robbery scheme. was just some kind of robbery scheme. was just some kind of robbery scheme. There's no sign of sexual assault, but There's no sign of sexual assault, but There's no sign of sexual assault, but valuable items were missing from Toby's valuable items were missing from Toby's valuable items were missing from Toby's van, like her wallet and this camera van, like her wallet and this camera van, like her wallet and this camera that her family said that she had with that her family said that she had with that her family said that she had with her. So, the theory that police went her. So, the theory that police went her. So, the theory that police went with at the time was that the suspect with at the time was that the suspect with at the time was that the suspect probably wanted to buy some time to get probably wanted to buy some time to get probably wanted to buy some time to get what they came for and then like get out what they came for and then like get out what they came for and then like get out of dodge and they're thinking that like of dodge and they're thinking that like of dodge and they're thinking that like a body slumped over in the driver's a body slumped over in the driver's a body slumped over in the driver's seat. People are going to notice that. seat. People are going to notice that. seat. People are going to notice that. >> Yeah. That's going to draw a lot more >> Yeah. That's going to draw a lot more >> Yeah. That's going to draw a lot more unwanted attention as opposed to just unwanted attention as opposed to just unwanted attention as opposed to just like a van that maybe looks like it got like a van that maybe looks like it got like a van that maybe looks like it got into an accident. into an accident. into an accident. >> There's no one there. Maybe it's >> There's no one there. Maybe it's >> There's no one there. Maybe it's abandoned. No one's there. You don't abandoned. No one's there. You don't abandoned. No one's there. You don't think about it. think about it. think about it. >> Yes. So, that's the way they went with. >> Yes. So, that's the way they went with. >> Yes. So, that's the way they went with. But, as I was like in this, I don't know But, as I was like in this, I don't know But, as I was like in this, I don't know why I kind of wondered if maybe they had why I kind of wondered if maybe they had why I kind of wondered if maybe they had to move her. Like in my mind, I don't to move her. Like in my mind, I don't to move her. Like in my mind, I don't know to grab a wallet and a camera.

know to grab a wallet and a camera. know to grab a wallet and a camera. That's quick. Like you you do it and you That's quick. Like you you do it and you That's quick. Like you you do it and you clear out of there. Who cares if clear out of there. Who cares if clear out of there. Who cares if somebody sees? somebody sees? somebody sees? >> But what if her van, [music] Right, >> But what if her van, [music] Right, >> But what if her van, [music] Right, we're saying it hit their vehicle? Like we're saying it hit their vehicle? Like we're saying it hit their vehicle? Like what if it kind of like locked into it? what if it kind of like locked into it? what if it kind of like locked into it? Like is it possible that they needed to Like is it possible that they needed to Like is it possible that they needed to get her out of the driver's seat so that get her out of the driver's seat so that get her out of the driver's seat so that they could move it to dislodge their car they could move it to dislodge their car they could move it to dislodge their car without causing more damage? And like we without causing more damage? And like we without causing more damage? And like we asked about this and the detective said asked about this and the detective said asked about this and the detective said that sure that's possible, but that's that sure that's possible, but that's that sure that's possible, but that's not the theory that early investigators not the theory that early investigators not the theory that early investigators ever ran with. Either way, the damage ever ran with. Either way, the damage ever ran with. Either way, the damage caused by the collision was their caused by the collision was their caused by the collision was their potential saving grace. Because even potential saving grace. Because even potential saving grace. Because even though investigators don't really know though investigators don't really know though investigators don't really know anything about their suspect, [music] anything about their suspect, [music] anything about their suspect, [music] what they can put out is information what they can put out is information what they can put out is information about their suspect's vehicle. The about their suspect's vehicle. The about their suspect's vehicle. The California Highway Patrol has this California Highway Patrol has this California Highway Patrol has this accident investigation team that can accident investigation team that can accident investigation team that can basically analyze everything about a basically analyze everything about a basically analyze everything about a crash. paint transfers, tire tracks, crash. paint transfers, tire tracks, crash. paint transfers, tire tracks, types of damage, and then predict what types of damage, and then predict what types of damage, and then predict what kind of vehicle like was involved. And kind of vehicle like was involved. And kind of vehicle like was involved. And here's what they get. I'm actually just here's what they get. I'm actually just here's what they get. I'm actually just going to have you read it. going to have you read it. going to have you read it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Suspect vehicle unknown make half or 3/4 Suspect vehicle unknown make half or 3/4 Suspect vehicle unknown make half or 3/4 ton pickup with a bed height of 42 in to ton pickup with a bed height of 42 in to ton pickup with a bed height of 42 in to 43 in. Color gray or silver gray with 43 in. Color gray or silver gray with 43 in. Color gray or silver gray with damage to the driver's side rear corner damage to the driver's side rear corner damage to the driver's side rear corner of bed and bumper. Vehicle has a of bed and bumper. Vehicle has a of bed and bumper. Vehicle has a wheelbase of 129 in [music] and the bed wheelbase of 129 in [music] and the bed wheelbase of 129 in [music] and the bed is rectangular. It may have a camper is rectangular. It may have a camper is rectangular. It may have a camper shell on bed.

shell on bed. shell on bed. >> So, okay. Crimestoppers puts this >> So, okay. Crimestoppers puts this >> So, okay. Crimestoppers puts this description out and offers a cash reward description out and offers a cash reward description out and offers a cash reward for information while investigators for information while investigators for information while investigators check with any local body shops in the check with any local body shops in the check with any local body shops in the area to see if any truck matching that area to see if any truck matching that area to see if any truck matching that description has come in for repair. And description has come in for repair. And description has come in for repair. And they also scour the local pawn shops they also scour the local pawn shops they also scour the local pawn shops looking for Toby's camera. looking for Toby's camera. looking for Toby's camera. >> Oh, they come up with nothing [music] >> Oh, they come up with nothing [music] >> Oh, they come up with nothing [music] on either front. on either front. on either front. >> Okay. But you're saying they they're >> Okay. But you're saying they they're >> Okay. But you're saying they they're looking like locally. Highway 1 looking like locally. Highway 1 looking like locally. Highway 1 basically runs up and down the entire basically runs up and down the entire basically runs up and down the entire state of California, right? state of California, right? state of California, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, this guy doesn't have to be or stay >> So, this guy doesn't have to be or stay >> So, this guy doesn't have to be or stay local. local. local. >> And if he's not, that's just going to >> And if he's not, that's just going to >> And if he's not, that's just going to make this case all the more difficult to make this case all the more difficult to make this case all the more difficult to solve with the resources that they had solve with the resources that they had solve with the resources that they had in 1983 because there is no nationwide in 1983 because there is no nationwide in 1983 because there is no nationwide print databases. Forget DNA databases. print databases. Forget DNA databases. print databases. Forget DNA databases. They can't even They can't even They can't even >> Yeah. Like they can't make DNA profiles >> Yeah. Like they can't make DNA profiles >> Yeah. Like they can't make DNA profiles yet. yet. yet. >> I mean, did they get any physical >> I mean, did they get any physical >> I mean, did they get any physical evidence from the scene? I mean, it evidence from the scene? I mean, it evidence from the scene? I mean, it sounds like there was that cigarette, sounds like there was that cigarette, sounds like there was that cigarette, but anything else? but anything else? but anything else? >> So, yeah, they found that cigarette. >> So, yeah, they found that cigarette. >> So, yeah, they found that cigarette. They collected it, but that wasn't a They collected it, but that wasn't a They collected it, but that wasn't a used one. So, I don't even know how used one. So, I don't even know how used one. So, I don't even know how hopeful anyone was about that. What they hopeful anyone was about that. What they hopeful anyone was about that. What they were more keyed in on was a Coke can were more keyed in on was a Coke can were more keyed in on was a Coke can that they found near the scene. They that they found near the scene. They that they found near the scene. They were able to pull some latent were able to pull some latent were able to pull some latent fingerprints off of that. And after not fingerprints off of that. And after not fingerprints off of that. And after not finding any suspect prints in her van, finding any suspect prints in her van, finding any suspect prints in her van, this really was their best shot at IDing this really was their best shot at IDing this really was their best shot at IDing somebody. Though, it's only good if they somebody. Though, it's only good if they somebody. Though, it's only good if they have somebody to compare these prints have somebody to compare these prints have somebody to compare these prints to.

to. to. >> Yeah. Tell me if I'm missing something, >> Yeah. Tell me if I'm missing something, >> Yeah. Tell me if I'm missing something, but it might not be connected at all, but it might not be connected at all, but it might not be connected at all, right? like this like a beach location. right? like this like a beach location. right? like this like a beach location. >> I asked, but according to detectives, >> I asked, but according to detectives, >> I asked, but according to detectives, the can was close enough to the van to the can was close enough to the van to the can was close enough to the van to be considered within the crime scene, be considered within the crime scene, be considered within the crime scene, but I mean like but I mean like but I mean like >> but it could have been there is nothing >> but it could have been there is nothing >> but it could have been there is nothing saying definitively that it was left saying definitively that it was left saying definitively that it was left there by Toby's killer. So I think there by Toby's killer. So I think there by Toby's killer. So I think >> they would probably have a hard time >> they would probably have a hard time >> they would probably have a hard time ruling people out just based on the Coke ruling people out just based on the Coke ruling people out just based on the Coke can. But if there is somebody that you can. But if there is somebody that you can. But if there is somebody that you can rule in, right? Like, and can rule in, right? Like, and can rule in, right? Like, and >> if you have someone that you're already >> if you have someone that you're already >> if you have someone that you're already looking at and you're like, and they looking at and you're like, and they looking at and you're like, and they happen to match the code, happen to match the code, happen to match the code, >> that'd be another story that would place >> that'd be another story that would place >> that'd be another story that would place them there in the same spot where Toby them there in the same spot where Toby them there in the same spot where Toby was murdered. was murdered. was murdered. >> And depending on what else led them, >> And depending on what else led them, >> And depending on what else led them, right? Like you're saying, like again, right? Like you're saying, like again, right? Like you're saying, like again, it could give them something, it could give them something, it could give them something, >> right? Like [music] did they have a >> right? Like [music] did they have a >> right? Like [music] did they have a grade truck that was in the shop or pawn grade truck that was in the shop or pawn grade truck that was in the shop or pawn camera? camera? camera? >> Exactly. And actually for almost 2 >> Exactly. And actually for almost 2 >> Exactly. And actually for almost 2 years, they have very few people to years, they have very few people to years, they have very few people to compare these prints to. I mean, we're compare these prints to. I mean, we're compare these prints to. I mean, we're [music] grasping at straws here. But [music] grasping at straws here. But [music] grasping at straws here. But then one day in November of 1985, like then one day in November of 1985, like then one day in November of 1985, like out of the blue, investigators get a out of the blue, investigators get a out of the blue, investigators get a call from the Bakersfield Police call from the Bakersfield Police call from the Bakersfield Police Department in California, which is like Department in California, which is like Department in California, which is like 2 and 1/2 hours east of San Louis 2 and 1/2 hours east of San Louis 2 and 1/2 hours east of San Louis Abyspo. Turns out they had been Abyspo. Turns out they had been Abyspo. Turns out they had been contacted by a local pawn shop because contacted by a local pawn shop because contacted by a local pawn shop because somebody had just brought in [music] somebody had just brought in [music] somebody had just brought in [music] Toby's camera.

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the sheriff's office sprang into action. the sheriff's office sprang into action. The man who pawned the camera was named The man who pawned the camera was named The man who pawned the camera was named Michael Lee Queen. But of course, Michael Lee Queen. But of course, Michael Lee Queen. But of course, nothing is that easy, right? Once nothing is that easy, right? Once nothing is that easy, right? Once investigators track him down, he tells investigators track him down, he tells investigators track him down, he tells them that he got the camera from them that he got the camera from them that he got the camera from somebody else course. So they track that somebody else course. So they track that somebody else course. So they track that person down too, what do you know? He person down too, what do you know? He person down too, what do you know? He also got the camera from somebody else. also got the camera from somebody else. also got the camera from somebody else. And this is the camera that has lived a And this is the camera that has lived a And this is the camera that has lived a thousand lives because investigators end thousand lives because investigators end thousand lives because investigators end up tracking these camera handoffs down up tracking these camera handoffs down up tracking these camera handoffs down for like about a year through like four for like about a year through like four for like about a year through like four more people all the way back to a gas more people all the way back to a gas more people all the way back to a gas station owner in Bakersfield. And he station owner in Bakersfield. And he station owner in Bakersfield. And he tells investigators that he bought the tells investigators that he bought the tells investigators that he bought the camera from two [music] men who walked camera from two [music] men who walked camera from two [music] men who walked into his gas station one day and offered into his gas station one day and offered into his gas station one day and offered him the camera for a hundred bucks, him the camera for a hundred bucks, him the camera for a hundred bucks, which he decided to buy for his son's which he decided to buy for his son's which he decided to buy for his son's birthday. Neither man identified birthday. Neither man identified birthday. Neither man identified themselves and there was no record of themselves and there was no record of themselves and there was no record of the transaction, the transaction, the transaction, >> of course. >> of course. >> of course. >> Now, the guy did his best to describe >> Now, the guy did his best to describe >> Now, the guy did his best to describe these two guys. Like, I know they tried these two guys. Like, I know they tried these two guys. Like, I know they tried making composite sketches, but I don't making composite sketches, but I don't making composite sketches, but I don't know how good they were or how much know how good they were or how much know how good they were or how much faith [music] investigators had in them faith [music] investigators had in them faith [music] investigators had in them because as far as I can tell, those were because as far as I can tell, those were because as far as I can tell, those were never released to the public. I mean, is never released to the public. I mean, is never released to the public. I mean, is there a chance they think he was lying?

there a chance they think he was lying? there a chance they think he was lying? >> I don't get that impression at all. And >> I don't get that impression at all. And >> I don't get that impression at all. And according to detectives, like nobody in according to detectives, like nobody in according to detectives, like nobody in this whole camera line matched the this whole camera line matched the this whole camera line matched the prince from the scene. Like, they tested prince from the scene. Like, they tested prince from the scene. Like, they tested everybody. So, I think I don't I don't everybody. So, I think I don't I don't everybody. So, I think I don't I don't know why they didn't pass out the photo, know why they didn't pass out the photo, know why they didn't pass out the photo, but like but like but like >> like everything in everybody's story was >> like everything in everybody's story was >> like everything in everybody's story was lining up lining up lining up >> and they're they're pretty sure that >> and they're they're pretty sure that >> and they're they're pretty sure that everyone they talked to was not Toby's everyone they talked to was not Toby's everyone they talked to was not Toby's killer. And at this point, detectives killer. And at this point, detectives killer. And at this point, detectives told us that the case was about as cold told us that the case was about as cold told us that the case was about as cold as a cold case could get. It got put on as a cold case could get. It got put on as a cold case could get. It got put on a shelf and that's [music] where it a shelf and that's [music] where it a shelf and that's [music] where it stayed for decades. There was nobody stayed for decades. There was nobody stayed for decades. There was nobody even assigned to it. All the while even assigned to it. All the while even assigned to it. All the while Toby's family was struggling to make Toby's family was struggling to make Toby's family was struggling to make sense of how and why their lives were sense of how and why their lives were sense of how and why their lives were suddenly upended. I mean, the grief was suddenly upended. I mean, the grief was suddenly upended. I mean, the grief was like an infection that continued to just like an infection that continued to just like an infection that continued to just like rip through their family long after like rip through their family long after like rip through their family long after November of 1983. November of 1983. November of 1983. Two months after Toby's murder, her dad Two months after Toby's murder, her dad Two months after Toby's murder, her dad died of a heart attack, which Priscilla died of a heart attack, which Priscilla died of a heart attack, which Priscilla says she knows was because of a broken says she knows was because of a broken says she knows was because of a broken heart because her heart was broken, too. heart because her heart was broken, too. heart because her heart was broken, too. She told us that Toby was the only She told us that Toby was the only She told us that Toby was the only person in the world who really accepted person in the world who really accepted person in the world who really accepted her for who she was. And in the wake of her for who she was. And in the wake of her for who she was. And in the wake of her death, Priscilla stopped believing her death, Priscilla stopped believing her death, Priscilla stopped believing in God. She stopped going to church. She in God. She stopped going to church. She in God. She stopped going to church. She stopped singing. [music] stopped singing. [music] stopped singing. [music] Toby's younger sister, Judy, struggled Toby's younger sister, Judy, struggled Toby's younger sister, Judy, struggled with alcohol use. though that didn't with alcohol use. though that didn't with alcohol use. though that didn't stop her from calling the sheriff's stop her from calling the sheriff's stop her from calling the sheriff's department every year for updates that department every year for updates that department every year for updates that didn't come. [music] didn't come. [music] didn't come. [music] And Judy's daughter, Alisa, who was And Judy's daughter, Alisa, who was And Judy's daughter, Alisa, who was seven when her aunt Toby died, she grew seven when her aunt Toby died, she grew seven when her aunt Toby died, she grew up with her own struggles. And in 1996, up with her own struggles. And in 1996, up with her own struggles. And in 1996, she ended up taking her own life. 8 she ended up taking her own life. 8 she ended up taking her own life. 8 months after that, Judy passed away too months after that, Judy passed away too months after that, Judy passed away too from a tragic accident where she fell

from a tragic accident where she fell from a tragic accident where she fell down the stairs on Toby's birthday of down the stairs on Toby's birthday of down the stairs on Toby's birthday of all days. So Priscilla, the only Tate all days. So Priscilla, the only Tate all days. So Priscilla, the only Tate sister left, [music] took on the sister left, [music] took on the sister left, [music] took on the responsibility of calling the sheriff's responsibility of calling the sheriff's responsibility of calling the sheriff's office every year. And while she said office every year. And while she said office every year. And while she said that they couldn't have been more kind, that they couldn't have been more kind, that they couldn't have been more kind, she didn't get much more than Judy did. she didn't get much more than Judy did. she didn't get much more than Judy did. And she sort of just resigned herself to And she sort of just resigned herself to And she sort of just resigned herself to thinking that like crimes like these are thinking that like crimes like these are thinking that like crimes like these are never solved, like [music] it's just never solved, like [music] it's just never solved, like [music] it's just never going to go anywhere. Still never going to go anywhere. Still never going to go anywhere. Still though, she never stopped calling. though, she never stopped calling. though, she never stopped calling. [music] And in hindsight, those calls [music] And in hindsight, those calls [music] And in hindsight, those calls might have done more to move this case might have done more to move this case might have done more to move this case forward [music] forward [music] forward [music] than anything else. Because fast forward than anything else. Because fast forward than anything else. Because fast forward to 2018, to 2018, to 2018, Priscilla thinks to call the sheriff's Priscilla thinks to call the sheriff's Priscilla thinks to call the sheriff's office after the Golden State Killer is office after the Golden State Killer is office after the Golden State Killer is arrested to ask if he could have been arrested to ask if he could have been arrested to ask if he could have been the one to kill Toby. the one to kill Toby. the one to kill Toby. >> Same year, same time, same. >> Same year, same time, same. >> Same year, same time, same. >> Yes. But his MMO was totally different. >> Yes. But his MMO was totally different. >> Yes. But his MMO was totally different. like he never attacked anyone in their like he never attacked anyone in their like he never attacked anyone in their car that at least that not that we know car that at least that not that we know car that at least that not that we know of.

of. of. >> So they're pretty quick to tell her they >> So they're pretty quick to tell her they >> So they're pretty quick to tell her they don't think he's their guy for this. don't think he's their guy for this. don't think he's their guy for this. [music] But Priscilla is in the right [music] But Priscilla is in the right [music] But Priscilla is in the right headsp space because there was evidence headsp space because there was evidence headsp space because there was evidence collected and preserved in Toby's case collected and preserved in Toby's case collected and preserved in Toby's case that could eventually be used to solve that could eventually be used to solve that could eventually be used to solve it the way that the Golden State killer it the way that the Golden State killer it the way that the Golden State killer was. Right? Like it was just going to was. Right? Like it was just going to was. Right? Like it was just going to take the right [music] detective to come take the right [music] detective to come take the right [music] detective to come along and do it. Enter Detective Clint along and do it. Enter Detective Clint along and do it. Enter Detective Clint Cole. Now, he's not new. He has been Cole. Now, he's not new. He has been Cole. Now, he's not new. He has been with the St. Louis Abyispo County with the St. Louis Abyispo County with the St. Louis Abyispo County Sheriff's Office since 1990. He actually Sheriff's Office since 1990. He actually Sheriff's Office since 1990. He actually just resigned this year, but in 2017, he just resigned this year, but in 2017, he just resigned this year, but in 2017, he became the first investigator assigned became the first investigator assigned became the first investigator assigned to the AY's newly created position of to the AY's newly created position of to the AY's newly created position of cold case unsolved homicide [music] cold case unsolved homicide [music] cold case unsolved homicide [music] detective. detective. detective. >> And that's why about 2 years after >> And that's why about 2 years after >> And that's why about 2 years after Priscilla called asking about the Golden Priscilla called asking about the Golden Priscilla called asking about the Golden State Killer, she gets this out of the State Killer, she gets this out of the State Killer, she gets this out of the blue call. And on the other end is this blue call. And on the other end is this blue call. And on the other end is this man who says, "Hi, I'm Detective Cole man who says, "Hi, I'm Detective Cole man who says, "Hi, I'm Detective Cole and I'm going to solve your sister's and I'm going to solve your sister's and I'm going to solve your sister's murder." murder." murder." >> I've said it before, I'll say it again.

>> I've said it before, I'll say it again. >> I've said it before, I'll say it again. I love this guy. [laughter] I love this guy. [laughter] I love this guy. [laughter] >> Yes. This is not the first time that we >> Yes. This is not the first time that we >> Yes. This is not the first time that we have talked about Detective Cole. And have talked about Detective Cole. And have talked about Detective Cole. And that's because this man is out here that's because this man is out here that's because this man is out here solving cold cases right and left. solving cold cases right and left. solving cold cases right and left. >> I mean, yeah, he's the one who helped >> I mean, yeah, he's the one who helped >> I mean, yeah, he's the one who helped solve the Kristen Smart case. solve the Kristen Smart case. solve the Kristen Smart case. >> Yeah. And he was St. Louis Abyispo >> Yeah. And he was St. Louis Abyispo >> Yeah. And he was St. Louis Abyispo County Sheriff's Office first and only County Sheriff's Office first and only County Sheriff's Office first and only cold case detective, like I said. So, as cold case detective, like I said. So, as cold case detective, like I said. So, as you can imagine, when he comes in, he you can imagine, when he comes in, he you can imagine, when he comes in, he does have dozens of cases on his docket. does have dozens of cases on his docket. does have dozens of cases on his docket. >> That's why he didn't get started on >> That's why he didn't get started on >> That's why he didn't get started on Toby's until 2019. [music] Toby's until 2019. [music] Toby's until 2019. [music] >> But this man has a process before he >> But this man has a process before he >> But this man has a process before he ever makes that call to Priscilla. He ever makes that call to Priscilla. He ever makes that call to Priscilla. He has to get his ducks in a row, right? He has to get his ducks in a row, right? He has to get his ducks in a row, right? He digitizes the files, catalogs like digitizes the files, catalogs like digitizes the files, catalogs like testable evidence. And while the testable evidence. And while the testable evidence. And while the detectives back in the day honed in on detectives back in the day honed in on detectives back in the day honed in on that Coke can to Cole, the blood that Coke can to Cole, the blood that Coke can to Cole, the blood droplets leading away from Toby's van droplets leading away from Toby's van droplets leading away from Toby's van are what really seemed promising. are what really seemed promising. are what really seemed promising. [music] The droplets suggest active [music] The droplets suggest active [music] The droplets suggest active bleeding. We know that Toby never left bleeding. We know that Toby never left bleeding. We know that Toby never left the inside of her van. So that means the inside of her van. So that means the inside of her van. So that means somehow somehow somehow >> the killer >> the killer >> the killer >> probably like he probably cut himself.

>> probably like he probably cut himself. >> probably like he probably cut himself. Now granted, like could her blood Now granted, like could her blood Now granted, like could her blood somehow have been on something? Maybe. somehow have been on something? Maybe. somehow have been on something? Maybe. But they don't they don't think that But they don't they don't think that But they don't they don't think that that's the most likely scenario. And that's the most likely scenario. And that's the most likely scenario. And sure enough, when he sends that sample sure enough, when he sends that sample sure enough, when he sends that sample that thank God they still had preserved that thank God they still had preserved that thank God they still had preserved that he sends it off to be tested, what that he sends it off to be tested, what that he sends it off to be tested, what they get back is an unknown male DNA they get back is an unknown male DNA they get back is an unknown male DNA profile that doesn't match anyone in the profile that doesn't match anyone in the profile that doesn't match anyone in the Cotus database. Cotus database. Cotus database. >> So definitely not the Golden State >> So definitely not the Golden State >> So definitely not the Golden State Killer cuz Killer cuz Killer cuz >> he's already Yeah, he's in the system by >> he's already Yeah, he's in the system by >> he's already Yeah, he's in the system by that point. Now, because this is that point. Now, because this is that point. Now, because this is California, their laws allow you to California, their laws allow you to California, their laws allow you to search CODUS for familial links, too. search CODUS for familial links, too. search CODUS for familial links, too. Like, does the killer have a brother or Like, does the killer have a brother or Like, does the killer have a brother or an uncle in prison? an uncle in prison? an uncle in prison? >> So, this even like widens like their >> So, this even like widens like their >> So, this even like widens like their search pool, but even that comes up search pool, but even that comes up search pool, but even that comes up [music] empty, too. So, the next step is [music] empty, too. So, the next step is [music] empty, too. So, the next step is genealogy. Detective Cole gets a profile genealogy. Detective Cole gets a profile genealogy. Detective Cole gets a profile created to start looking for potential created to start looking for potential created to start looking for potential relatives in genetic databases and then relatives in genetic databases and then relatives in genetic databases and then he has to hit pause because that is he has to hit pause because that is he has to hit pause because that is right when the Kristen Smart case starts right when the Kristen Smart case starts right when the Kristen Smart case starts breaking and per sheriff's orders he breaking and per sheriff's orders he breaking and per sheriff's orders he basically has to drop everything else to basically has to drop everything else to basically has to drop everything else to get that across the finish line which get that across the finish line which get that across the finish line which obviously he did.

obviously he did. obviously he did. >> So Toby's case gets kind of punted to >> So Toby's case gets kind of punted to >> So Toby's case gets kind of punted to others who can at least like pitch in others who can at least like pitch in others who can at least like pitch in part of their time to help keep things part of their time to help keep things part of their time to help keep things moving. It's not like it totally stops. moving. It's not like it totally stops. moving. It's not like it totally stops. [music] And they get CC Moore at Parabon [music] And they get CC Moore at Parabon [music] And they get CC Moore at Parabon Nanolabs involved. And as she works out Nanolabs involved. And as she works out Nanolabs involved. And as she works out the family tree, she passes off leads to the family tree, she passes off leads to the family tree, she passes off leads to Cole's [music] partner, Detective Jeff Cole's [music] partner, Detective Jeff Cole's [music] partner, Detective Jeff Robashotti. And of course, it was not Robashotti. And of course, it was not Robashotti. And of course, it was not easy. It never is. Right. They find the easy. It never is. Right. They find the easy. It never is. Right. They find the suspect's father. suspect's father. suspect's father. >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> But this guy has no record of having >> But this guy has no record of having >> But this guy has no record of having sons, sons, sons, >> of course. >> of course. >> of course. >> So then they have to map out mom's >> So then they have to map out mom's >> So then they have to map out mom's family tree. And that's when they family tree. And that's when they family tree. And that's when they realized that their suspect was raised realized that their suspect was raised realized that their suspect was raised by a different man and probably never by a different man and probably never by a different man and probably never knew his biological father. And anyways, knew his biological father. And anyways, knew his biological father. And anyways, I am zipping through a lot of work that I am zipping through a lot of work that I am zipping through a lot of work that took months to complete. But in the end, took months to complete. But in the end, took months to complete. But in the end, they do get a name. [music] The DNA they do get a name. [music] The DNA they do get a name. [music] The DNA belongs to Steven Hardy. And that name belongs to Steven Hardy. And that name belongs to Steven Hardy. And that name is nowhere [music] in the files. So, is nowhere [music] in the files. So, is nowhere [music] in the files. So, Detective Robashadotti's next step is to Detective Robashadotti's next step is to Detective Robashadotti's next step is to find out everything he can about this find out everything he can about this find out everything he can about this guy. But everything he learns just ends guy. But everything he learns just ends guy. But everything he learns just ends up confusing him [music] more. Now, by up confusing him [music] more. Now, by up confusing him [music] more. Now, by this point, Steven Hardy is deceased.

this point, Steven Hardy is deceased. this point, Steven Hardy is deceased. So, it's not like Robotti can just go So, it's not like Robotti can just go So, it's not like Robotti can just go talk to him, but nothing he is seeing is talk to him, but nothing he is seeing is talk to him, but nothing he is seeing is making him think that this guy is really making him think that this guy is really making him think that this guy is really their suspect. Like, Hardy was a Vietnam their suspect. Like, Hardy was a Vietnam their suspect. Like, Hardy was a Vietnam War vet who grew up in Ventura, War vet who grew up in Ventura, War vet who grew up in Ventura, California. He lived a fairly low-key California. He lived a fairly low-key California. He lived a fairly low-key life. He separated from his wife after life. He separated from his wife after life. He separated from his wife after the war, but they continued to see each the war, but they continued to see each the war, but they continued to see each other. He was a chain smoker, struggled other. He was a chain smoker, struggled other. He was a chain smoker, struggled with drinking, but importantly had no with drinking, but importantly had no with drinking, but importantly had no felony convictions [music] felony convictions [music] felony convictions [music] ever. Now, he had like a record in ever. Now, he had like a record in ever. Now, he had like a record in California for some DUIs and other minor California for some DUIs and other minor California for some DUIs and other minor alcohol-related charges, but nothing alcohol-related charges, but nothing alcohol-related charges, but nothing involving like violence that Robashotti involving like violence that Robashotti involving like violence that Robashotti could find. could find. could find. >> Okay, but isn't that kind of always the >> Okay, but isn't that kind of always the >> Okay, but isn't that kind of always the story now with a lot of IGG matches? I story now with a lot of IGG matches? I story now with a lot of IGG matches? I mean, the Golden State Killer kind of mean, the Golden State Killer kind of mean, the Golden State Killer kind of wrote the playbook, like unassuming, wrote the playbook, like unassuming, wrote the playbook, like unassuming, normal life, normal life, normal life, >> but at the time, Robashotti is like he >> but at the time, Robashotti is like he >> but at the time, Robashotti is like he had never had a case of his like this had never had a case of his like this had never had a case of his like this before. Like, this was a first. And he before. Like, this was a first. And he before. Like, this was a first. And he just did not know what to think. just did not know what to think. just did not know what to think. >> Well, and I I mean, I brought up Golden >> Well, and I I mean, I brought up Golden >> Well, and I I mean, I brought up Golden State Killer, but he also had murdered State Killer, but he also had murdered State Killer, but he also had murdered more than a dozen people over the more than a dozen people over the more than a dozen people over the decade. This would just kind of be a decade. This would just kind of be a decade. This would just kind of be a one-off murder, one-off murder, one-off murder, >> right? And it's not like Hardy's DNA >> right? And it's not like Hardy's DNA >> right? And it's not like Hardy's DNA pings on any other cases in Cotus, pings on any other cases in Cotus, pings on any other cases in Cotus, right? Plus, there was a real issue.

right? Plus, there was a real issue. right? Plus, there was a real issue. Roashadi could never put Hardy in Roashadi could never put Hardy in Roashadi could never put Hardy in [music] St. Louis Abyspo. Honestly, he [music] St. Louis Abyspo. Honestly, he [music] St. Louis Abyspo. Honestly, he said if he didn't have this guy's DNA said if he didn't have this guy's DNA said if he didn't have this guy's DNA saying he was there, he likely would saying he was there, he likely would saying he was there, he likely would have looked the other way when it came have looked the other way when it came have looked the other way when it came to this guy. to this guy. to this guy. >> There were only two things [music] that >> There were only two things [music] that >> There were only two things [music] that stood out that made them really believe stood out that made them really believe stood out that made them really believe that the blood evidence wasn't some kind that the blood evidence wasn't some kind that the blood evidence wasn't some kind of fluke. of fluke. of fluke. One is that 30-some yearear-old Hardy, One is that 30-some yearear-old Hardy, One is that 30-some yearear-old Hardy, who has a girlfriend and a steady job, who has a girlfriend and a steady job, who has a girlfriend and a steady job, suddenly did seem to have become suddenly did seem to have become suddenly did seem to have become transient after Toby's murder. transient after Toby's murder. transient after Toby's murder. >> Almost like something set him off down a >> Almost like something set him off down a >> Almost like something set him off down a different path. different path. different path. >> Mhm. Two, the family member that >> Mhm. Two, the family member that >> Mhm. Two, the family member that connected him like through genealogy was connected him like through genealogy was connected him like through genealogy was Hardy's sister. And when they talked to Hardy's sister. And when they talked to Hardy's sister. And when they talked to her, she told them that around the time her, she told them that around the time her, she told them that around the time that the murder happened, her brother that the murder happened, her brother that the murder happened, her brother had this pronounced [music] limp. And had this pronounced [music] limp. And had this pronounced [music] limp. And when she asked him about it, he said when she asked him about it, he said when she asked him about it, he said that he was out on Route One trying to that he was out on Route One trying to that he was out on Route One trying to help a woman whose car was on the side help a woman whose car was on the side help a woman whose car was on the side of the road when this oncoming car ran of the road when this oncoming car ran of the road when this oncoming car ran over his foot. And Robashotti thought over his foot. And Robashotti thought over his foot. And Robashotti thought like that's a really weird story to like that's a really weird story to like that's a really weird story to tell. Eerily similar to kind of Toby's tell. Eerily similar to kind of Toby's tell. Eerily similar to kind of Toby's whole situation.

whole situation. whole situation. >> Yeah. And I mean like [music] don't >> Yeah. And I mean like [music] don't >> Yeah. And I mean like [music] don't people say the best lies have like a people say the best lies have like a people say the best lies have like a grain of truth to them? grain of truth to them? grain of truth to them? >> Yeah. And like plus like Detective >> Yeah. And like plus like Detective >> Yeah. And like plus like Detective Kohl's in his eyes, he said like if a Kohl's in his eyes, he said like if a Kohl's in his eyes, he said like if a car hits you on the side of the highway. car hits you on the side of the highway. car hits you on the side of the highway. Like you're going to have a bit more Like you're going to have a bit more Like you're going to have a bit more damage than just like a little bit of a damage than just like a little bit of a damage than just like a little bit of a limp. limp. limp. >> Yeah. Like a limp is almost like a car >> Yeah. Like a limp is almost like a car >> Yeah. Like a limp is almost like a car actually like slow rolled over your actually like slow rolled over your actually like slow rolled over your foot. foot. foot. >> I don't know, going at a super low speed >> I don't know, going at a super low speed >> I don't know, going at a super low speed in a parking lot. Right. So Robashadotti in a parking lot. Right. So Robashadotti in a parking lot. Right. So Robashadotti can't put his finger on it. But even can't put his finger on it. But even can't put his finger on it. But even still, even with these two weird things, still, even with these two weird things, still, even with these two weird things, something just isn't sitting right. something just isn't sitting right. something just isn't sitting right. [music] [music] [music] So he decides to double confirm by going So he decides to double confirm by going So he decides to double confirm by going back to the evidence to the one thing back to the evidence to the one thing back to the evidence to the one thing that they have been using to rule people that they have been using to rule people that they have been using to rule people in or out since 1983. in or out since 1983. in or out since 1983. >> The prints on that coat can. >> The prints on that coat can. >> The prints on that coat can. >> Right. [music] >> Right. [music] >> Right. [music] So he taps a woman named Shelby Liddell, So he taps a woman named Shelby Liddell, So he taps a woman named Shelby Liddell, this forensic specialist with the this forensic specialist with the this forensic specialist with the sheriff's office who we're told is sheriff's office who we're told is sheriff's office who we're told is something of a wizard when it comes to something of a wizard when it comes to something of a wizard when it comes to fingerprint analysis. Robosotti fingerprint analysis. Robosotti fingerprint analysis. Robosotti basically says to her like, "Hey, we basically says to her like, "Hey, we basically says to her like, "Hey, we have a suspect. Can you run the prints have a suspect. Can you run the prints have a suspect. Can you run the prints from the scene against him to confirm?" from the scene against him to confirm?" from the scene against him to confirm?" Typically, what that would mean is that Typically, what that would mean is that Typically, what that would mean is that Shelby would get the exemplar prints Shelby would get the exemplar prints Shelby would get the exemplar prints from [music] the suspect and the latent from [music] the suspect and the latent from [music] the suspect and the latent prints from the soda can and look at prints from the soda can and look at prints from the soda can and look at them side by side.

them side by side. them side by side. >> That is not what Shelby does. And the >> That is not what Shelby does. And the >> That is not what Shelby does. And the reason why is important. She doesn't reason why is important. She doesn't reason why is important. She doesn't want confirmation bias to get anywhere want confirmation bias to get anywhere want confirmation bias to get anywhere near her work, especially if she has to near her work, especially if she has to near her work, especially if she has to defend it in court. So rather than do defend it in court. So rather than do defend it in court. So rather than do this like onetoone comparison before this like onetoone comparison before this like onetoone comparison before ever pulling the exemplar prints, she ever pulling the exemplar prints, she ever pulling the exemplar prints, she decides to just run the latent prints decides to just run the latent prints decides to just run the latent prints through the FBI's print [music] system through the FBI's print [music] system through the FBI's print [music] system again herself. Like start from scratch. again herself. Like start from scratch. again herself. Like start from scratch. And actually before I get into this like And actually before I get into this like And actually before I get into this like quick crash course on this like on how quick crash course on this like on how quick crash course on this like on how it works cuz I don't think we've ever it works cuz I don't think we've ever it works cuz I don't think we've ever like gone over it and I actually I know like gone over it and I actually I know like gone over it and I actually I know we haven't because I didn't truly know we haven't because I didn't truly know we haven't because I didn't truly know myself until our reporter Nicole like myself until our reporter Nicole like myself until our reporter Nicole like sat down in the lab with Shelby and got sat down in the lab with Shelby and got sat down in the lab with Shelby and got a master class. So the basic process is a master class. So the basic process is a master class. So the basic process is like you run a lat and print through the like you run a lat and print through the like you run a lat and print through the system and it returns a list of possible system and it returns a list of possible system and it returns a list of possible matches with a score. Not just like this matches with a score. Not just like this matches with a score. Not just like this is it, is it, is it, >> but like a 100%'s the best and then like >> but like a 100%'s the best and then like >> but like a 100%'s the best and then like a 75% is pretty good, a 25% is like a 75% is pretty good, a 25% is like a 75% is pretty good, a 25% is like [music] TBD. [music] TBD. [music] TBD. >> So then it's up to the lab tech to like >> So then it's up to the lab tech to like >> So then it's up to the lab tech to like go in and independently verify go in and independently verify go in and independently verify everything. So this is what Shelby does everything. So this is what Shelby does everything. So this is what Shelby does with the Coke can prints. But when she with the Coke can prints. But when she with the Coke can prints. But when she gets the list back, the scores aren't gets the list back, the scores aren't gets the list back, the scores aren't even super great. So she starts going even super great. So she starts going even super great. So she starts going through the matches one by one, ruling through the matches one by one, ruling through the matches one by one, ruling them out, ruling them [music] out. And them out, ruling them [music] out. And them out, ruling them [music] out. And when she gets to number four, she is when she gets to number four, she is when she gets to number four, she is like, "Okay, bingo. This is a make. I've like, "Okay, bingo. This is a make. I've like, "Okay, bingo. This is a make. I've got a match here." So that's when she got a match here." So that's when she got a match here." So that's when she goes and she looks at the name and it is goes and she looks at the name and it is goes and she looks at the name and it is not the suspect name that [music] not the suspect name that [music] not the suspect name that [music] detectives gave her. So just to double detectives gave her. So just to double detectives gave her. So just to double check, she tries the whole process again check, she tries the whole process again check, she tries the whole process again with another print that was lifted from with another print that was lifted from with another print that was lifted from like a different finger from the Coke

like a different finger from the Coke like a different finger from the Coke can. runs through the list, finds a can. runs through the list, finds a can. runs through the list, finds a match, looks at the name, same guy, not match, looks at the name, same guy, not match, looks at the name, same guy, not their suspect. And Shelby literally has their suspect. And Shelby literally has their suspect. And Shelby literally has like a second person double check her like a second person double check her like a second person double check her work just to make sure, but they reach work just to make sure, but they reach work just to make sure, but they reach the same conclusion. The prints do not the same conclusion. The prints do not the same conclusion. The prints do not match [music] Steven Hardy. They match a match [music] Steven Hardy. They match a match [music] Steven Hardy. They match a man in the fingerprint system [music] man in the fingerprint system [music] man in the fingerprint system [music] named Charlie Sneed. And this dude is named Charlie Sneed. And this dude is named Charlie Sneed. And this dude is from Texas. Like at least with Stephven from Texas. Like at least with Stephven from Texas. Like at least with Stephven Hardy, he was in the same state. Yeah. Hardy, he was in the same state. Yeah. Hardy, he was in the same state. Yeah. Right. So it's even hard to be like, why Right. So it's even hard to be like, why Right. So it's even hard to be like, why is his print at the scene? is his print at the scene? is his print at the scene? >> So once again, detectives Robotti and >> So once again, detectives Robotti and >> So once again, detectives Robotti and Cole don't know what to make of this, Cole don't know what to make of this, Cole don't know what to make of this, but they know that none of the science but they know that none of the science but they know that none of the science is wrong. It has been checked over and is wrong. It has been checked over and is wrong. It has been checked over and over again at this point. They're over again at this point. They're over again at this point. They're missing a piece of the puzzle. missing a piece of the puzzle. missing a piece of the puzzle. >> Well, but we said at the top, like the >> Well, but we said at the top, like the >> Well, but we said at the top, like the Coke can might not be connected. Coke can might not be connected. Coke can might not be connected. >> Yes. And maybe you could write it off >> Yes. And maybe you could write it off >> Yes. And maybe you could write it off that easily. Except when they look into that easily. Except when they look into that easily. Except when they look into Charlie Sneed, he is exactly the type of Charlie Sneed, he is exactly the type of Charlie Sneed, he is exactly the type of person who would commit a crime like person who would commit a crime like person who would commit a crime like this.

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shooting off his rifle at nothing. shooting off his rifle at nothing. [music] [music] [music] Unbeknownst to him, on the bluff Unbeknownst to him, on the bluff Unbeknownst to him, on the bluff directly above him were two New Bron directly above him were two New Bron directly above him were two New Bron Falls police officers on break. So they Falls police officers on break. So they Falls police officers on break. So they go down and arrest him for a reckless go down and arrest him for a reckless go down and arrest him for a reckless discharge of a firearm. discharge of a firearm. discharge of a firearm. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Their report makes note of his 1983 >> Their report makes note of his 1983 >> Their report makes note of his 1983 beige Chevy pickup truck. beige Chevy pickup truck. beige Chevy pickup truck. >> Not [music] gray or silver. >> Not [music] gray or silver. >> Not [music] gray or silver. >> What kind of vehicle did Hardy have? >> What kind of vehicle did Hardy have? >> What kind of vehicle did Hardy have? >> So this is the thing. We don't know what >> So this is the thing. We don't know what >> So this is the thing. We don't know what Steven [music] Hardy drove, but not for Steven [music] Hardy drove, but not for Steven [music] Hardy drove, but not for a lack of trying. [laughter] a lack of trying. [laughter] a lack of trying. [laughter] >> I believe you. Okay. So were these two >> I believe you. Okay. So were these two >> I believe you. Okay. So were these two working together? Maybe, [music] working together? Maybe, [music] working together? Maybe, [music] but like like the detectives still don't but like like the detectives still don't but like like the detectives still don't have anything that connects Harvey, have anything that connects Harvey, have anything that connects Harvey, >> but they might be, but we have no idea >> but they might be, but we have no idea >> but they might be, but we have no idea why or how they would be. why or how they would be. why or how they would be. >> They're not from the same place. They're >> They're not from the same place. They're >> They're not from the same place. They're not related. So that's what Ro Bashadi not related. So that's what Ro Bashadi not related. So that's what Ro Bashadi goes in search of. Like what is the goes in search of. Like what is the goes in search of. Like what is the connection here? connection here? connection here? >> So what he does is he tracks down one of >> So what he does is he tracks down one of >> So what he does is he tracks down one of the officers who arrested Sneeed back in the officers who arrested Sneeed back in the officers who arrested Sneeed back in 83. Now he's retired by that point, but 83. Now he's retired by that point, but 83. Now he's retired by that point, but Robashadotti is looking for anything Robashadotti is looking for anything Robashadotti is looking for anything like point me in the right direction like point me in the right direction like point me in the right direction even. Well, immediate jackpot. This even. Well, immediate jackpot. This even. Well, immediate jackpot. This officer remembers Charlie Sneed all officer remembers Charlie Sneed all officer remembers Charlie Sneed all right. Knew him really well actually right. Knew him really well actually right. Knew him really well actually because the two had gone to school because the two had gone to school because the two had gone to school together. So, now comes the important together. So, now comes the important together. So, now comes the important question. Had he heard of Steven Hardy?

question. Had he heard of Steven Hardy? question. Had he heard of Steven Hardy? And right away the officer's like, "Yep, And right away the officer's like, "Yep, And right away the officer's like, "Yep, he was here for about a month or two and he was here for about a month or two and he was here for about a month or two and he and Sneeed used to run together." he and Sneeed used to run together." he and Sneeed used to run together." Robashadotti ends up confirming that Robashadotti ends up confirming that Robashadotti ends up confirming that when he finds a criminal record for when he finds a criminal record for when he finds a criminal record for Hardy out of [music] Texas. He was Hardy out of [music] Texas. He was Hardy out of [music] Texas. He was arrested for a bad check in February of arrested for a bad check in February of arrested for a bad check in February of 1984. Again, [music] this would be after 1984. Again, [music] this would be after 1984. Again, [music] this would be after Toby's murder. Now, now Robashad is also Toby's murder. Now, now Robashad is also Toby's murder. Now, now Robashad is also able to find a number of stolen vehicle able to find a number of stolen vehicle able to find a number of stolen vehicle reports filed by Hardy to San Antonio reports filed by Hardy to San Antonio reports filed by Hardy to San Antonio Police Department. And this is where he Police Department. And this is where he Police Department. And this is where he went down a rabbit hole trying to went down a rabbit hole trying to went down a rabbit hole trying to connect Hardy to a silver truck with the connect Hardy to a silver truck with the connect Hardy to a silver truck with the right damage, but he never could. Still, right damage, but he never could. Still, right damage, but he never could. Still, in all the digging, there is clearly in all the digging, there is clearly in all the digging, there is clearly enough connecting these two men around enough connecting these two men around enough connecting these two men around the time of the murder. And there's the time of the murder. And there's the time of the murder. And there's physical evidence that suggests both of physical evidence that suggests both of physical evidence that suggests both of them were at this scene that they were them were at this scene that they were them were at this scene that they were likely working together to rob Toby and likely working together to rob Toby and likely working together to rob Toby and then one of them pulled the trigger then one of them pulled the trigger then one of them pulled the trigger before they both fled the scene. This is before they both fled the scene. This is before they both fled the scene. This is the theory that detectives Cole and the theory that detectives Cole and the theory that detectives Cole and Robashadotti present to the ADA along Robashadotti present to the ADA along Robashadotti present to the ADA along with all of their supporting evidence.

with all of their supporting evidence. with all of their supporting evidence. And on January 7th, 2026, And on January 7th, 2026, And on January 7th, 2026, 42 years after Toby's murder, the DA 42 years after Toby's murder, the DA 42 years after Toby's murder, the DA writes back saying that there is writes back saying that there is writes back saying that there is sufficient probable cause to support a sufficient probable cause to support a sufficient probable cause to support a prosecution of the suspects if they were prosecution of the suspects if they were prosecution of the suspects if they were still alive because Sneeed is also still alive because Sneeed is also still alive because Sneeed is also deceased by this point. deceased by this point. deceased by this point. >> So, we'll never know who pulled the >> So, we'll never know who pulled the >> So, we'll never know who pulled the trigger. trigger. trigger. >> No, the murder weapon has never been >> No, the murder weapon has never been >> No, the murder weapon has never been found. [music] But given Sneeed's found. [music] But given Sneeed's found. [music] But given Sneeed's history, both detectives believe that he history, both detectives believe that he history, both detectives believe that he was the shooter. was the shooter. was the shooter. Interestingly [music] Interestingly [music] Interestingly [music] though, when Hardy was arrested in 1984, though, when Hardy was arrested in 1984, though, when Hardy was arrested in 1984, they fingerprinted him. And on the they fingerprinted him. And on the they fingerprinted him. And on the fingerprint card, they mentioned that he fingerprint card, they mentioned that he fingerprint card, they mentioned that he had a scar on his lower left [music] had a scar on his lower left [music] had a scar on his lower left [music] index finger, which when you think back index finger, which when you think back index finger, which when you think back to like the crime scene, what he's to like the crime scene, what he's to like the crime scene, what he's connected to, connected to, connected to, >> which he could have gotten then during >> which he could have gotten then during >> which he could have gotten then during the shooting, the shooting, the shooting, >> it's possible. Like the detectives >> it's possible. Like the detectives >> it's possible. Like the detectives suspect that he cut himself on one of suspect that he cut himself on one of suspect that he cut himself on one of the broken van windows, the broken van windows, the broken van windows, >> but the truth is we have no way of >> but the truth is we have no way of >> but the truth is we have no way of knowing where that scar came from. We knowing where that scar came from. We knowing where that scar came from. We don't even know like what he was don't even know like what he was don't even know like what he was bleeding from. I mean, we know he left bleeding from. I mean, we know he left bleeding from. I mean, we know he left his blood there, but we don't know why his blood there, but we don't know why his blood there, but we don't know why or how.

or how. or how. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And really, it doesn't matter. I mean, >> And really, it doesn't matter. I mean, >> And really, it doesn't matter. I mean, not legally speaking anyway, because in not legally speaking anyway, because in not legally speaking anyway, because in California, there is a felony murder California, there is a felony murder California, there is a felony murder rule. Now, that's recently become like a rule. Now, that's recently become like a rule. Now, that's recently become like a bit more complicated, but before 2019, bit more complicated, but before 2019, bit more complicated, but before 2019, the rule meant that if a group of people the rule meant that if a group of people the rule meant that if a group of people commit a crime and then someone dies commit a crime and then someone dies commit a crime and then someone dies during that crime, during that crime, during that crime, >> everyone gets charged with murder or >> everyone gets charged with murder or >> everyone gets charged with murder or could be. could be. could be. >> Even if you had no role in the actual >> Even if you had no role in the actual >> Even if you had no role in the actual killing itself, even if you didn't killing itself, even if you didn't killing itself, even if you didn't intend for anyone to die. intend for anyone to die. intend for anyone to die. Now, as far as we know, Hardy didn't Now, as far as we know, Hardy didn't Now, as far as we know, Hardy didn't commit any more violent crimes [music] commit any more violent crimes [music] commit any more violent crimes [music] after this, but Sneeed kept up the same after this, but Sneeed kept up the same after this, but Sneeed kept up the same violent antics. So, after Toby's murder, violent antics. So, after Toby's murder, violent antics. So, after Toby's murder, he went back to Texas, still going after he went back to Texas, still going after he went back to Texas, still going after his ex's best friend, Deborah, still his ex's best friend, Deborah, still his ex's best friend, Deborah, still because of the divorce. because of the divorce. because of the divorce. >> Actually, well, so according to the >> Actually, well, so according to the >> Actually, well, so according to the offense report, this time he was after offense report, this time he was after offense report, this time he was after Deborah because he wanted her to drop Deborah because he wanted her to drop Deborah because he wanted her to drop the charges that she filed when he shot the charges that she filed when he shot the charges that she filed when he shot up her car years earlier up her car years earlier up her car years earlier >> because of the divorce, right? Same >> because of the divorce, right? Same >> because of the divorce, right? Same line. Yeah. And this time he switched up line. Yeah. And this time he switched up line. Yeah. And this time he switched up his strategy though. So instead of going his strategy though. So instead of going his strategy though. So instead of going straight at Deborah, he went after her straight at Deborah, he went after her straight at Deborah, he went after her ex-husband, taking him hostage outside ex-husband, taking him hostage outside ex-husband, taking him hostage outside of a bar, pointing a gun to his head and of a bar, pointing a gun to his head and of a bar, pointing a gun to his head and forcing him to drive them both to forcing him to drive them both to forcing him to drive them both to Deborah's house. When they got there Deborah's house. When they got there Deborah's house. When they got there though, this guy fought Sneeed off and though, this guy fought Sneeed off and though, this guy fought Sneeed off and then called police after Sneeed ran then called police after Sneeed ran then called police after Sneeed ran away. Or so he thought. Because when away. Or so he thought. Because when away. Or so he thought. Because when officers respond to Deborah's house, officers respond to Deborah's house, officers respond to Deborah's house, they find that Sneeed actually didn't go they find that Sneeed actually didn't go they find that Sneeed actually didn't go very far. He was hiding in Deborah's very far. He was hiding in Deborah's very far. He was hiding in Deborah's closet.

closet. closet. >> Oh my god. So he spent 20 years in >> Oh my god. So he spent 20 years in >> Oh my god. So he spent 20 years in prison for that, prison for that, prison for that, >> got out in 2009, but then died in 2014. >> got out in 2009, but then died in 2014. >> got out in 2009, but then died in 2014. So [music] like I said, any answers that So [music] like I said, any answers that So [music] like I said, any answers that he might have had about what happened or he might have had about what happened or he might have had about what happened or who played what role gone with him. who played what role gone with him. who played what role gone with him. Regardless, the solve got announced Regardless, the solve got announced Regardless, the solve got announced [music] publicly on January 20th, 2026, [music] publicly on January 20th, 2026, [music] publicly on January 20th, 2026, and Priscilla flew to St. Louis Abyspo and Priscilla flew to St. Louis Abyspo and Priscilla flew to St. Louis Abyspo to attend the press conference. It was to attend the press conference. It was to attend the press conference. It was actually her first time ever being in actually her first time ever being in actually her first time ever being in the county. And until that moment, she the county. And until that moment, she the county. And until that moment, she told detectives she had this like very told detectives she had this like very told detectives she had this like very dark, evil picture of this area in her dark, evil picture of this area in her dark, evil picture of this area in her mind. But when detective Robashadi takes mind. But when detective Robashadi takes mind. But when detective Robashadi takes her out to the scene of the crime and to her out to the scene of the crime and to her out to the scene of the crime and to the campground, Priscilla said that it the campground, Priscilla said that it the campground, Priscilla said that it actually kind of unexpectedly brought actually kind of unexpectedly brought actually kind of unexpectedly brought her a lot of peace. Like just knowing her a lot of peace. Like just knowing her a lot of peace. Like just knowing that the beautiful California coastline that the beautiful California coastline that the beautiful California coastline was the last thing her sister saw. She was the last thing her sister saw. She was the last thing her sister saw. She told us it was finally like putting a told us it was finally like putting a told us it was finally like putting a period at the end of a sentence. But period at the end of a sentence. But period at the end of a sentence. But there is a bit of a question mark that I there is a bit of a question mark that I there is a bit of a question mark that I want to leave people with. [music] want to leave people with. [music] want to leave people with. [music] Something that has been bothering Something that has been bothering Something that has been bothering Detective Rob Bashotti. Remember how Detective Rob Bashotti. Remember how Detective Rob Bashotti. Remember how crime scene investigators determined crime scene investigators determined crime scene investigators determined that Toby was dragged [music] from the that Toby was dragged [music] from the that Toby was dragged [music] from the driver's seat where she was shot like to driver's seat where she was shot like to driver's seat where she was shot like to the back of the van, right?

the back of the van, right? the back of the van, right? >> Well, there was male touch DNA present >> Well, there was male touch DNA present >> Well, there was male touch DNA present on her clothing [music] on her clothing [music] on her clothing [music] that was consistent with that. that was consistent with that. that was consistent with that. >> According to Robashotti, it's degraded >> According to Robashotti, it's degraded >> According to Robashotti, it's degraded to the point where you can only compare to the point where you can only compare to the point where you can only compare one to one. But they did a comparison one to one. But they did a comparison one to one. But they did a comparison with Hardy and with with Hardy and with with Hardy and with >> Ashley. [music] No, >> Ashley. [music] No, >> Ashley. [music] No, >> the DNA doesn't match either of them or >> the DNA doesn't match either of them or >> the DNA doesn't match either of them or any known persons of interest detectives any known persons of interest detectives any known persons of interest detectives have thought to compare it to thus far. have thought to compare it to thus far. have thought to compare it to thus far. So, there are a few options here. That So, there are a few options here. That So, there are a few options here. That DNA could belong to one of the old DNA could belong to one of the old DNA could belong to one of the old investigators at the scene or medical investigators at the scene or medical investigators at the scene or medical examiners like someone present at the examiners like someone present at the examiners like someone present at the autopsy. I mean, Shelby has certainly autopsy. I mean, Shelby has certainly autopsy. I mean, Shelby has certainly seen that before, especially in some of seen that before, especially in some of seen that before, especially in some of these older cases. But unfortunately, these older cases. But unfortunately, these older cases. But unfortunately, according to Detective Cole, everyone according to Detective Cole, everyone according to Detective Cole, everyone who was present [music] at the autopsy who was present [music] at the autopsy who was present [music] at the autopsy is dead. So, they can't go get their is dead. So, they can't go get their is dead. So, they can't go get their DNA. DNA. DNA. >> Right. So, it could be that or we might >> Right. So, it could be that or we might >> Right. So, it could be that or we might have a third suspect who could be able have a third suspect who could be able have a third suspect who could be able to tell us exactly what happened. to tell us exactly what happened. to tell us exactly what happened. >> Yeah. [music] >> Yeah. [music] >> Yeah. [music] So, this is kind of where I think our So, this is kind of where I think our So, this is kind of where I think our crime junkies come in. If anyone out crime junkies come in. If anyone out crime junkies come in. If anyone out there listening by [music] any chance there listening by [music] any chance there listening by [music] any chance knows something about the 1983 homicide knows something about the 1983 homicide knows something about the 1983 homicide of Dorothy Toby Tate [music] on Highway of Dorothy Toby Tate [music] on Highway of Dorothy Toby Tate [music] on Highway 1 in St. Louis Abyspo or if you knew 1 in St. Louis Abyspo or if you knew 1 in St. Louis Abyspo or if you knew Charlie Sneed or Steven Hardy or anyone Charlie Sneed or Steven Hardy or anyone Charlie Sneed or Steven Hardy or anyone that they used to hang out with in Texas that they used to hang out with in Texas that they used to hang out with in Texas or California, please come forward. You or California, please come forward. You or California, please come forward. You can reach the [music] St. Louis Abyspo can reach the [music] St. Louis Abyspo can reach the [music] St. Louis Abyspo Sheriff's Office Detectives Division at Sheriff's Office Detectives Division at Sheriff's Office Detectives Division at 805781-4500.

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