What Happened to Brittany Wallace Shank After That 911 Call?

Santo County 911. Where's the emergency? Santo County 911. Where's the emergency? >> Um, off of Fawn River. >> Um, off of Fawn River. >> Um, off of Fawn River. >> Okay. You're on Fawn River Road near uh >> Okay. You're on Fawn River Road near uh >> Okay. You're on Fawn River Road near uh what cross street. >> What What cross street or what address >> What What cross street or what address are you at on Fawn River? are you at on Fawn River? are you at on Fawn River? >> Where are we at? >> Where are we at? >> Where are we at? >> He wants to know what street >> He wants to know what street >> He wants to know what street road. road. road. >> I guess on Fawn River. >> I guess on Fawn River. >> I guess on Fawn River. >> Okay. Do you have an address on Fall >> Okay. Do you have an address on Fall >> Okay. Do you have an address on Fall River? River? River? >> Um, here's a guy. >> Um, here's a guy. >> Um, here's a guy. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That 911 call came into St. Joseph >> That 911 call came into St. Joseph >> That 911 call came into St. Joseph County dispatch just before 9 at night County dispatch just before 9 at night County dispatch just before 9 at night on November 30th, 2018 from a house off on November 30th, 2018 from a house off on November 30th, 2018 from a house off a rural road right outside Sturgis, a rural road right outside Sturgis, a rural road right outside Sturgis, Michigan. Michigan. Michigan. >> Can you tell me what's going on there >> Can you tell me what's going on there >> Can you tell me what's going on there tonight? tonight? tonight? >> I don't know. The girl just came to the >> I don't know. The girl just came to the >> I don't know. The girl just came to the back door and back door and back door and she had no shoes on, no coat. She's she had no shoes on, no coat. She's she had no shoes on, no coat. She's bleeding, got her feet, no arms. bleeding, got her feet, no arms. bleeding, got her feet, no arms. She said her boyfriend took off She said her boyfriend took off She said her boyfriend took off somewhere. He wrecked the car and took somewhere. He wrecked the car and took somewhere. He wrecked the car and took off running. I guess off running. I guess off running. I guess >> if you didn't catch all of that, the >> if you didn't catch all of that, the >> if you didn't catch all of that, the man, his name is John, said that the man, his name is John, said that the man, his name is John, said that the young woman that came to his back door young woman that came to his back door young woman that came to his back door was stranded after her boyfriend wrecked was stranded after her boyfriend wrecked was stranded after her boyfriend wrecked their car and then took off on foot their car and then took off on foot their car and then took off on foot without her. It was bitter cold with without her. It was bitter cold with without her. It was bitter cold with snow on the ground. So, the fact that snow on the ground. So, the fact that snow on the ground. So, the fact that she showed up barefoot with no coat and she showed up barefoot with no coat and she showed up barefoot with no coat and a bit scratched up and bleeding was a bit scratched up and bleeding was a bit scratched up and bleeding was cause for concern.

cause for concern. cause for concern. >> She said that her boyfriend like took >> She said that her boyfriend like took >> She said that her boyfriend like took off from the area. Did he know was he off from the area. Did he know was he off from the area. Did he know was he abusing her or what? What happened? abusing her or what? What happened? abusing her or what? What happened? >> I I don't know. I couldn't tell you >> I I don't know. I couldn't tell you >> I I don't know. I couldn't tell you that. that. that. >> Okay. All right. Would you say that >> Okay. All right. Would you say that >> Okay. All right. Would you say that she's I mean, does she need medical she's I mean, does she need medical she's I mean, does she need medical attention or you said it's not serious attention or you said it's not serious attention or you said it's not serious or what's going on? or what's going on? or what's going on? >> Under the static and radio chatter, you >> Under the static and radio chatter, you >> Under the static and radio chatter, you can hear the young woman Jon is speaking can hear the young woman Jon is speaking can hear the young woman Jon is speaking to in the background of the call. She to in the background of the call. She to in the background of the call. She doesn't sound panicked. Her tone is doesn't sound panicked. Her tone is doesn't sound panicked. Her tone is measured. And she tells them she does measured. And she tells them she does measured. And she tells them she does want medical attention. want medical attention. want medical attention. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> She just told me she just told me. >> She just told me she just told me. >> She just told me she just told me. >> Okay. Yeah, absolutely. We'll get >> Okay. Yeah, absolutely. We'll get >> Okay. Yeah, absolutely. We'll get somebody down that way for her. Do you somebody down that way for her. Do you somebody down that way for her. Do you happen to know what her name is? happen to know what her name is? happen to know what her name is? >> Is that your name? >> She don't seem to want to talk to me. >> She don't seem to want to talk to me. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Welcome back in here. >> Welcome back in here. >> Welcome back in here. >> That's the moment when the woman takes >> That's the moment when the woman takes >> That's the moment when the woman takes off from John's. still barefoot but off from John's. still barefoot but off from John's. still barefoot but wearing the green John Deere sweatshirt wearing the green John Deere sweatshirt wearing the green John Deere sweatshirt John had given her for warmth.

John had given her for warmth. John had given her for warmth. >> If you can tell her that help the help >> If you can tell her that help the help >> If you can tell her that help the help is coming down that way. I just need her is coming down that way. I just need her is coming down that way. I just need her to stay there if she wants assistance. to stay there if she wants assistance. to stay there if she wants assistance. >> Yeah, she went outside. She ain't got no >> Yeah, she went outside. She ain't got no >> Yeah, she went outside. She ain't got no shoes on. I give her a jacket. shoes on. I give her a jacket. shoes on. I give her a jacket. >> Law enforcement would later learn that >> Law enforcement would later learn that >> Law enforcement would later learn that the woman who ran away was 23-year-old the woman who ran away was 23-year-old the woman who ran away was 23-year-old Britney Wallace Shank. She was moments Britney Wallace Shank. She was moments Britney Wallace Shank. She was moments away from help, but something pulled her away from help, but something pulled her away from help, but something pulled her away from the safety of Jon's back away from the safety of Jon's back away from the safety of Jon's back porch. What or who or why has never been porch. What or who or why has never been porch. What or who or why has never been fully determined because since Britney fully determined because since Britney fully determined because since Britney slipped into the darkness that November slipped into the darkness that November slipped into the darkness that November night back in 2018, she's never been night back in 2018, she's never been night back in 2018, she's never been seen again. and trying to understand seen again. and trying to understand seen again. and trying to understand what happened to her, what even brought what happened to her, what even brought what happened to her, what even brought her out to that rural road to begin with her out to that rural road to begin with her out to that rural road to begin with and who she was with opens a Pandora's and who she was with opens a Pandora's and who she was with opens a Pandora's box of conflicting stories, troubling box of conflicting stories, troubling box of conflicting stories, troubling allegations, and a mystery that has allegations, and a mystery that has allegations, and a mystery that has taken on a life of its own. I'm your taken on a life of its own. I'm your taken on a life of its own. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. And host, Ashley Flowers. And host, Ashley Flowers. And >> I'm Brett. And welcome back, Crime >> I'm Brett. And welcome back, Crime >> I'm Brett. And welcome back, Crime Junkies.

The entire scenario that kicked off this The entire scenario that kicked off this case. A woman comes to a stranger's case. A woman comes to a stranger's case. A woman comes to a stranger's door, a little worse for the wear, door, a little worse for the wear, door, a little worse for the wear, shoeless, coatless, in the cold, saying shoeless, coatless, in the cold, saying shoeless, coatless, in the cold, saying she was in a car wreck and her boyfriend she was in a car wreck and her boyfriend she was in a car wreck and her boyfriend took off and left her. Then she takes took off and left her. Then she takes took off and left her. Then she takes off just before deputies are about to off just before deputies are about to off just before deputies are about to come. That would be more than enough for come. That would be more than enough for come. That would be more than enough for a red flag to be thrown up for crime a red flag to be thrown up for crime a red flag to be thrown up for crime junkies, right? Like we would be like junkies, right? Like we would be like junkies, right? Like we would be like like spiraling and like jumping into like spiraling and like jumping into like spiraling and like jumping into action. action. action. >> Actually, we've literally seen this play >> Actually, we've literally seen this play >> Actually, we've literally seen this play out before. This feels like a slightly out before. This feels like a slightly out before. This feels like a slightly different version of the start to our different version of the start to our different version of the start to our episode on Lisk when Shannon Gilbert was episode on Lisk when Shannon Gilbert was episode on Lisk when Shannon Gilbert was like running to a house looking for like running to a house looking for like running to a house looking for help. help. help. >> Maybe that's why to me this should have >> Maybe that's why to me this should have >> Maybe that's why to me this should have been so alarming from the jump. been so alarming from the jump. been so alarming from the jump. >> But sadly that's apparently not what's >> But sadly that's apparently not what's >> But sadly that's apparently not what's on the minds of first responders. We on the minds of first responders. We on the minds of first responders. We were able to get what seems to be most were able to get what seems to be most were able to get what seems to be most of the case file. And when they look of the case file. And when they look of the case file. And when they look over the car that's been abandoned, they over the car that's been abandoned, they over the car that's been abandoned, they realize this was far from a serious realize this was far from a serious realize this was far from a serious crash. One of the few things almost crash. One of the few things almost crash. One of the few things almost everyone in this case can actually agree everyone in this case can actually agree everyone in this case can actually agree on is just how thick the fog was that on is just how thick the fog was that on is just how thick the fog was that night. And it looked like the car had night. And it looked like the car had night. And it looked like the car had basically just kind of like veered off basically just kind of like veered off basically just kind of like veered off the road into they call it a ditch, but the road into they call it a ditch, but the road into they call it a ditch, but like we're talking a very shallow ditch like we're talking a very shallow ditch like we're talking a very shallow ditch and then maybe got stuck. The car was and then maybe got stuck. The car was and then maybe got stuck. The car was still drivable though. And even the still drivable though. And even the still drivable though. And even the injuries that John saw, he described injuries that John saw, he described injuries that John saw, he described them as small cuts on her feet and her them as small cuts on her feet and her them as small cuts on her feet and her arms, but I don't know where those would arms, but I don't know where those would arms, but I don't know where those would have come from. Some suggest that maybe have come from. Some suggest that maybe have come from. Some suggest that maybe from the brush in the field going from from the brush in the field going from from the brush in the field going from the car to John's if she like cut the car to John's if she like cut the car to John's if she like cut through that way and didn't use the through that way and didn't use the through that way and didn't use the road. But like this is like right where road. But like this is like right where road. But like this is like right where we grew up. These like Michigan,

we grew up. These like Michigan, we grew up. These like Michigan, Indiana, northern Indiana like fields. Indiana, northern Indiana like fields. Indiana, northern Indiana like fields. >> And this is in November. >> And this is in November. >> And this is in November. >> Late November. Everything is like cut >> Late November. Everything is like cut >> Late November. Everything is like cut down by this point. down by this point. down by this point. >> Yeah. There'd be like some sticks and >> Yeah. There'd be like some sticks and >> Yeah. There'd be like some sticks and stuff in like the farm fields, but not a stuff in like the farm fields, but not a stuff in like the farm fields, but not a lot. lot. lot. >> I know. And some people have even said, >> I know. And some people have even said, >> I know. And some people have even said, "Oh, well, if they cut down the corn and "Oh, well, if they cut down the corn and "Oh, well, if they cut down the corn and the stocks were still up." Like, but I the stocks were still up." Like, but I the stocks were still up." Like, but I was like, "Yeah, but deep tracks. I know was like, "Yeah, but deep tracks. I know was like, "Yeah, but deep tracks. I know my fields." You have to switch between my fields." You have to switch between my fields." You have to switch between corn and soybeans. What was it that corn and soybeans. What was it that corn and soybeans. What was it that year? I don't know. year? I don't know. year? I don't know. >> And you sometimes like till it under at >> And you sometimes like till it under at >> And you sometimes like till it under at the end of the season. So like, yes, the end of the season. So like, yes, the end of the season. So like, yes, there'd be stocks, but they're like half there'd be stocks, but they're like half there'd be stocks, but they're like half buried. Also, like there is the paved buried. Also, like there is the paved buried. Also, like there is the paved road that goes right to his house, like road that goes right to his house, like road that goes right to his house, like from where the car was. So like I don't from where the car was. So like I don't from where the car was. So like I don't even know that she would have had to even know that she would have had to even know that she would have had to have cut through a field. Listen, I have cut through a field. Listen, I have cut through a field. Listen, I don't know where the cuts come from, but don't know where the cuts come from, but don't know where the cuts come from, but I don't think it was from the crash cuz I don't think it was from the crash cuz I don't think it was from the crash cuz there is really no crash. I have talked there is really no crash. I have talked there is really no crash. I have talked to enough cops to know that they do see to enough cops to know that they do see to enough cops to know that they do see a lot of this, right? Like if a driver a lot of this, right? Like if a driver a lot of this, right? Like if a driver doesn't want to encounter police for doesn't want to encounter police for doesn't want to encounter police for whatever reason, they will just leave a whatever reason, they will just leave a whatever reason, they will just leave a vehicle. Maybe there was a reason that vehicle. Maybe there was a reason that vehicle. Maybe there was a reason that Britney seemed ky with John. Maybe she Britney seemed ky with John. Maybe she Britney seemed ky with John. Maybe she didn't really want the police to come didn't really want the police to come didn't really want the police to come out there.

out there. out there. >> Okay, but then why go asking for medical >> Okay, but then why go asking for medical >> Okay, but then why go asking for medical help? help? help? >> That is not a mystery that they attempt >> That is not a mystery that they attempt >> That is not a mystery that they attempt to solve right then. whoever that was, to solve right then. whoever that was, to solve right then. whoever that was, she's probably just going to show back she's probably just going to show back she's probably just going to show back up. And the truth is, the people in up. And the truth is, the people in up. And the truth is, the people in Britney's life were probably making some Britney's life were probably making some Britney's life were probably making some of the same assumptions. The 23-year-old of the same assumptions. The 23-year-old of the same assumptions. The 23-year-old mom was struggling with substance use. mom was struggling with substance use. mom was struggling with substance use. She had recently given up custody of her She had recently given up custody of her She had recently given up custody of her four kids while trying to get back on four kids while trying to get back on four kids while trying to get back on her feet, hoping to start a new job, her feet, hoping to start a new job, her feet, hoping to start a new job, maybe enroll in school. And she had a maybe enroll in school. And she had a maybe enroll in school. And she had a warrant out for her arrest at the time warrant out for her arrest at the time warrant out for her arrest at the time for lararseny. So when she goes MIA, at for lararseny. So when she goes MIA, at for lararseny. So when she goes MIA, at least at first, they kind of wonder if least at first, they kind of wonder if least at first, they kind of wonder if that's because she wanted to. But don't that's because she wanted to. But don't that's because she wanted to. But don't get it twisted. I mean, some of her get it twisted. I mean, some of her get it twisted. I mean, some of her family and friends had been looking for family and friends had been looking for family and friends had been looking for her, like asking around. Even her her, like asking around. Even her her, like asking around. Even her boyfriend had been out trying to find boyfriend had been out trying to find boyfriend had been out trying to find her. her. her. >> The boyfriend who took off on her. >> The boyfriend who took off on her. >> The boyfriend who took off on her. >> That's the catch. It was her boyfriend, >> That's the catch. It was her boyfriend, >> That's the catch. It was her boyfriend, Sheldon Ashbrook. It was his car that Sheldon Ashbrook. It was his car that Sheldon Ashbrook. It was his car that she had been driving. But when police she had been driving. But when police she had been driving. But when police dropped by unannounced after the dropped by unannounced after the dropped by unannounced after the incident, likely sometime around 10:30 incident, likely sometime around 10:30 incident, likely sometime around 10:30 p.m. or later, to tell him that his car p.m. or later, to tell him that his car p.m. or later, to tell him that his car had been impounded, Shelton was home and had been impounded, Shelton was home and had been impounded, Shelton was home and informed them that he hadn't even been informed them that he hadn't even been informed them that he hadn't even been with Britney. She borrowed his car that with Britney. She borrowed his car that with Britney. She borrowed his car that night, and he said he had no clue who night, and he said he had no clue who night, and he said he had no clue who she would have been with. So, it sounds she would have been with. So, it sounds she would have been with. So, it sounds like even he just assumed that Britney like even he just assumed that Britney like even he just assumed that Britney was either embarrassed, maybe by what was either embarrassed, maybe by what was either embarrassed, maybe by what she had done to his car, or maybe she she had done to his car, or maybe she she had done to his car, or maybe she was laying low due to the fact that was laying low due to the fact that was laying low due to the fact that there was a warrant out on her. But there was a warrant out on her. But there was a warrant out on her. But weirdly, it doesn't seem like he told weirdly, it doesn't seem like he told weirdly, it doesn't seem like he told her family about the car incident right

her family about the car incident right her family about the car incident right away. I mean, he told some friends, but away. I mean, he told some friends, but away. I mean, he told some friends, but the family didn't find out until later the family didn't find out until later the family didn't find out until later that she had taken off after the car that she had taken off after the car that she had taken off after the car went off the road. Though, even then, went off the road. Though, even then, went off the road. Though, even then, they hear that the car was operable, so they hear that the car was operable, so they hear that the car was operable, so she must have just walked off, right? she must have just walked off, right? she must have just walked off, right? Even her being barefoot in the snow Even her being barefoot in the snow Even her being barefoot in the snow didn't stand out to them too much. Her didn't stand out to them too much. Her didn't stand out to them too much. Her mom told us that Britney was known to mom told us that Britney was known to mom told us that Britney was known to run around in flip-flops or even run around in flip-flops or even run around in flip-flops or even barefoot even when it was freezing in barefoot even when it was freezing in barefoot even when it was freezing in Michigan. And listen, those instincts Michigan. And listen, those instincts Michigan. And listen, those instincts might have been right because it turns might have been right because it turns might have been right because it turns out when Britney went to John's that out when Britney went to John's that out when Britney went to John's that night looking for help, she did. She night looking for help, she did. She night looking for help, she did. She went to his house looking to use the went to his house looking to use the went to his house looking to use the phone, but she didn't necessarily call phone, but she didn't necessarily call phone, but she didn't necessarily call 911 right away. She had actually tried 911 right away. She had actually tried 911 right away. She had actually tried calling her grandma Vicki first, but calling her grandma Vicki first, but calling her grandma Vicki first, but either that call didn't go through or either that call didn't go through or either that call didn't go through or grandma just didn't answer. And I don't grandma just didn't answer. And I don't grandma just didn't answer. And I don't know for sure if it was her or John who know for sure if it was her or John who know for sure if it was her or John who actually ended up dialing 911. Like she actually ended up dialing 911. Like she actually ended up dialing 911. Like she ends up passing the phone off to him ends up passing the phone off to him ends up passing the phone off to him pretty quickly and then doesn't seem to pretty quickly and then doesn't seem to pretty quickly and then doesn't seem to want to give him any information. So I want to give him any information. So I want to give him any information. So I keep thinking maybe he like dialed keep thinking maybe he like dialed keep thinking maybe he like dialed before she realized what was going on.

before she realized what was going on. before she realized what was going on. Like since she didn't seem scared, my Like since she didn't seem scared, my Like since she didn't seem scared, my gut is that Brit wasn't looking for help gut is that Brit wasn't looking for help gut is that Brit wasn't looking for help for like first responders. for like first responders. for like first responders. >> She called grandma like for a ride or >> She called grandma like for a ride or >> She called grandma like for a ride or something. something. something. >> Exactly. And when she realized that >> Exactly. And when she realized that >> Exactly. And when she realized that deputies were going to be showing up, deputies were going to be showing up, deputies were going to be showing up, she took off. But that doesn't explain she took off. But that doesn't explain she took off. But that doesn't explain why she hadn't turned back up now. And why she hadn't turned back up now. And why she hadn't turned back up now. And with every day that passed with no word with every day that passed with no word with every day that passed with no word from her, everyone who knew Britney was from her, everyone who knew Britney was from her, everyone who knew Britney was growing more worried, especially the growing more worried, especially the growing more worried, especially the longer she went without being active on longer she went without being active on longer she went without being active on social media, cuz apparently she's like social media, cuz apparently she's like social media, cuz apparently she's like a Facebook junkie. But the real final a Facebook junkie. But the real final a Facebook junkie. But the real final straw that set off alarm bells was straw that set off alarm bells was straw that set off alarm bells was learning that Britney hadn't been in learning that Britney hadn't been in learning that Britney hadn't been in touch with her grandma Vicki at all touch with her grandma Vicki at all touch with her grandma Vicki at all after she tried to call her that night. after she tried to call her that night. after she tried to call her that night. Because the two of them were close and Because the two of them were close and Because the two of them were close and they talked constantly. So 8 days after they talked constantly. So 8 days after they talked constantly. So 8 days after the night that she walked off into the the night that she walked off into the the night that she walked off into the cold, Britney's dad, Greg Wallace, cold, Britney's dad, Greg Wallace, cold, Britney's dad, Greg Wallace, reports her missing to the St. Joseph reports her missing to the St. Joseph reports her missing to the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office. And once they County Sheriff's Office. And once they County Sheriff's Office. And once they open an investigation, they decide to go open an investigation, they decide to go open an investigation, they decide to go to grandma since she likely had the most to grandma since she likely had the most to grandma since she likely had the most contact with Britney. They think she's contact with Britney. They think she's contact with Britney. They think she's going to be super helpful in trying to going to be super helpful in trying to going to be super helpful in trying to map out Brit's movements leading up to map out Brit's movements leading up to map out Brit's movements leading up to the night of November 30th. And it is a the night of November 30th. And it is a the night of November 30th. And it is a worthwhile stop. Grandma is a wealth of worthwhile stop. Grandma is a wealth of worthwhile stop. Grandma is a wealth of information because luckily the last information because luckily the last information because luckily the last time Grandma had seen Britt just so time Grandma had seen Britt just so time Grandma had seen Britt just so happened to be the same night of this happened to be the same night of this happened to be the same night of this car crash or the car going off the road.

car crash or the car going off the road. car crash or the car going off the road. And Britt wasn't alone. Deputies learn And Britt wasn't alone. Deputies learn And Britt wasn't alone. Deputies learn that earlier on November 30th, sometime that earlier on November 30th, sometime that earlier on November 30th, sometime around 6:30 and 700 p.m., Britney had around 6:30 and 700 p.m., Britney had around 6:30 and 700 p.m., Britney had stopped by her grandma's house to do stopped by her grandma's house to do stopped by her grandma's house to do laundry with a guy. Now, it doesn't laundry with a guy. Now, it doesn't laundry with a guy. Now, it doesn't sound like they were really interacting sound like they were really interacting sound like they were really interacting too much with anyone else at the house, too much with anyone else at the house, too much with anyone else at the house, but that could have been because they but that could have been because they but that could have been because they had been using drugs that night. Now, had been using drugs that night. Now, had been using drugs that night. Now, later, when her family finally heard later, when her family finally heard later, when her family finally heard that 911 call, they told us that they that 911 call, they told us that they that 911 call, they told us that they suspect that she was high because of the suspect that she was high because of the suspect that she was high because of the way that she sounded. Now, at grandma, way that she sounded. Now, at grandma, way that she sounded. Now, at grandma, she and this guy also appeared to be she and this guy also appeared to be she and this guy also appeared to be arguing a bit, and he was rushing her, arguing a bit, and he was rushing her, arguing a bit, and he was rushing her, like he had somewhere better to be. And like he had somewhere better to be. And like he had somewhere better to be. And they stayed long enough to wash the they stayed long enough to wash the they stayed long enough to wash the clothes, but not long enough to like clothes, but not long enough to like clothes, but not long enough to like fully dry them. Instead, Britney stuffed fully dry them. Instead, Britney stuffed fully dry them. Instead, Britney stuffed damp laundry into a basket, and then damp laundry into a basket, and then damp laundry into a basket, and then they left together. Let's call it like they left together. Let's call it like they left together. Let's call it like 8:30, 8:45 p.m. 8:30, 8:45 p.m. 8:30, 8:45 p.m. >> So, Sheldon lied. >> So, Sheldon lied. >> So, Sheldon lied. >> Sheldon did not lie. Grandma knows >> Sheldon did not lie. Grandma knows >> Sheldon did not lie. Grandma knows Sheldon. He and Britney had been friends Sheldon. He and Britney had been friends Sheldon. He and Britney had been friends for years before dating on and off. for years before dating on and off. for years before dating on and off. Grandma says this wasn't him. Grandma says this wasn't him. Grandma says this wasn't him. >> Okay, then who was he? Brit, nobody >> Okay, then who was he? Brit, nobody >> Okay, then who was he? Brit, nobody knows. But like I said, like Britney and knows. But like I said, like Britney and knows. But like I said, like Britney and this guy barely interacted with anyone this guy barely interacted with anyone this guy barely interacted with anyone else. And in hindsight, Grandma says else. And in hindsight, Grandma says else. And in hindsight, Grandma says there was something off about this guy.

there was something off about this guy. there was something off about this guy. Like he just they couldn't put their Like he just they couldn't put their Like he just they couldn't put their finger on it. Nobody ever got his name finger on it. Nobody ever got his name finger on it. Nobody ever got his name though is the catch. They do have a though is the catch. They do have a though is the catch. They do have a pretty good description of him though. pretty good description of him though. pretty good description of him though. He is this thin white guy in his like He is this thin white guy in his like He is this thin white guy in his like early to mid20s between 5'6 5'8ish with early to mid20s between 5'6 5'8ish with early to mid20s between 5'6 5'8ish with short blonde hair and thick mutton chop short blonde hair and thick mutton chop short blonde hair and thick mutton chop sideburns like Elvis as grandma sideburns like Elvis as grandma sideburns like Elvis as grandma described and he was wearing like a described and he was wearing like a described and he was wearing like a yellow sweatuit type outfit with like yellow sweatuit type outfit with like yellow sweatuit type outfit with like some black on it. some black on it. some black on it. >> So when Britney said her boyfriend took >> So when Britney said her boyfriend took >> So when Britney said her boyfriend took off after the crash is she talking about off after the crash is she talking about off after the crash is she talking about this guy like whoever he is? If there this guy like whoever he is? If there this guy like whoever he is? If there was a man in the car with her when it was a man in the car with her when it was a man in the car with her when it went off the road, I think it has to be went off the road, I think it has to be went off the road, I think it has to be this guy just based on the timeline, this guy just based on the timeline, this guy just based on the timeline, right? Like, so based on what grandma right? Like, so based on what grandma right? Like, so based on what grandma remembers, they left her house around remembers, they left her house around remembers, they left her house around 8:30 p.m. The spot where the car went 8:30 p.m. The spot where the car went 8:30 p.m. The spot where the car went off the road is about a 5minute drive off the road is about a 5minute drive off the road is about a 5minute drive away and then getting to John's should away and then getting to John's should away and then getting to John's should take less than 10 minutes on foot. We take less than 10 minutes on foot. We take less than 10 minutes on foot. We know that the 911 call is placed around know that the 911 call is placed around know that the 911 call is placed around 8:50. So, it seems like there wouldn't 8:50. So, it seems like there wouldn't 8:50. So, it seems like there wouldn't have been a lot of time for her to have have been a lot of time for her to have have been a lot of time for her to have like picked up anyone else. Like I don't like picked up anyone else. Like I don't like picked up anyone else. Like I don't think anyone else could have been in think anyone else could have been in think anyone else could have been in that car with her.

that car with her. that car with her. >> If someone was in the car with her, it >> If someone was in the car with her, it >> If someone was in the car with her, it has to be this guy that she left has to be this guy that she left has to be this guy that she left grandma's with. Now, is there a chance grandma's with. Now, is there a chance grandma's with. Now, is there a chance that she dropped him somewhere and she that she dropped him somewhere and she that she dropped him somewhere and she was alone in the car? Maybe. But there was alone in the car? Maybe. But there was alone in the car? Maybe. But there isn't a whole lot in this area. isn't a whole lot in this area. isn't a whole lot in this area. >> I was going to say this is like a pretty >> I was going to say this is like a pretty >> I was going to say this is like a pretty rural area, right? So, personally, I rural area, right? So, personally, I rural area, right? So, personally, I think it's unlikely. think it's unlikely. think it's unlikely. Also, the direction that they were Also, the direction that they were Also, the direction that they were driving is kind of interesting to me. I driving is kind of interesting to me. I driving is kind of interesting to me. I don't know where Britney was headed to, don't know where Britney was headed to, don't know where Britney was headed to, but like the direction she was going in but like the direction she was going in but like the direction she was going in was toward Bronson. Now, she used to was toward Bronson. Now, she used to was toward Bronson. Now, she used to live in Bronson, but Bronson is away live in Bronson, but Bronson is away live in Bronson, but Bronson is away from Sturgis where she has been staying from Sturgis where she has been staying from Sturgis where she has been staying with Sheldon. Now, the thing I'll say is with Sheldon. Now, the thing I'll say is with Sheldon. Now, the thing I'll say is that we're told a lot of drug that we're told a lot of drug that we're told a lot of drug connections lived out that way in connections lived out that way in connections lived out that way in Bronson. So, maybe she was going to Bronson. So, maybe she was going to Bronson. So, maybe she was going to somewhere she used to live or to a somewhere she used to live or to a somewhere she used to live or to a connection she knew. But like, I have no connection she knew. But like, I have no connection she knew. But like, I have no idea. Okay, so I'm buying that the idea. Okay, so I'm buying that the idea. Okay, so I'm buying that the mystery man is in the car with her, but mystery man is in the car with her, but mystery man is in the car with her, but like why does she call him her like why does she call him her like why does she call him her boyfriend, though? boyfriend, though? boyfriend, though? >> Nobody really knows. Now, I mean, I have >> Nobody really knows. Now, I mean, I have >> Nobody really knows. Now, I mean, I have to say according to some family members to say according to some family members to say according to some family members that we spoke to, Sheldon actually did that we spoke to, Sheldon actually did that we spoke to, Sheldon actually did kind of fit at least some parts of the kind of fit at least some parts of the kind of fit at least some parts of the description. Like, he is blonde. I think description. Like, he is blonde. I think description. Like, he is blonde. I think he has like similarish facial hair, he has like similarish facial hair, he has like similarish facial hair, which I can show you, but the build, I which I can show you, but the build, I which I can show you, but the build, I think, was really different. And years think, was really different. And years think, was really different. And years later, some close to the case would later, some close to the case would later, some close to the case would question just how reliable everyone's question just how reliable everyone's question just how reliable everyone's memory really was that night, right?

memory really was that night, right? memory really was that night, right? Like grandma's saying, "I know Sheldon's Like grandma's saying, "I know Sheldon's Like grandma's saying, "I know Sheldon's for sure, not him." But they also say for sure, not him." But they also say for sure, not him." But they also say grandma had a few beers. And nobody at grandma had a few beers. And nobody at grandma had a few beers. And nobody at the house seemed to be paying the house seemed to be paying the house seemed to be paying particularly close attention to this particularly close attention to this particularly close attention to this guy. And I'm not like blaming them for guy. And I'm not like blaming them for guy. And I'm not like blaming them for that. They couldn't have known the that. They couldn't have known the that. They couldn't have known the importance that like like he would importance that like like he would importance that like like he would become in this case. But become in this case. But become in this case. But >> grandma says it is not Sheldon. So, to >> grandma says it is not Sheldon. So, to >> grandma says it is not Sheldon. So, to your point, why is Britney calling your point, why is Britney calling your point, why is Britney calling someone else her boyfriend? Maybe she someone else her boyfriend? Maybe she someone else her boyfriend? Maybe she used the term loosely. Maybe it was used the term loosely. Maybe it was used the term loosely. Maybe it was someone that she was seeing on the side. someone that she was seeing on the side. someone that she was seeing on the side. Or maybe she just didn't feel like Or maybe she just didn't feel like Or maybe she just didn't feel like explaining her love life to a complete explaining her love life to a complete explaining her love life to a complete stranger, right? Cuz let me tell you, stranger, right? Cuz let me tell you, stranger, right? Cuz let me tell you, her love life was pretty freaking her love life was pretty freaking her love life was pretty freaking complicated, as we will soon get into. complicated, as we will soon get into. complicated, as we will soon get into. But just a quick observation, I've seen But just a quick observation, I've seen But just a quick observation, I've seen what's believed to be the last selfie what's believed to be the last selfie what's believed to be the last selfie that Britney took from Sheldon's car that Britney took from Sheldon's car that Britney took from Sheldon's car before leaving that night, and she looks before leaving that night, and she looks before leaving that night, and she looks pretty done up. pretty done up. pretty done up. Maybe that means absolutely nothing, but Maybe that means absolutely nothing, but Maybe that means absolutely nothing, but to me, it doesn't exactly scream like to me, it doesn't exactly scream like to me, it doesn't exactly scream like I'm just going to grandma's to do I'm just going to grandma's to do I'm just going to grandma's to do laundry. laundry. laundry. >> More likely, she may have been like >> More likely, she may have been like >> More likely, she may have been like going out, going to meet up with going out, going to meet up with going out, going to meet up with somebody.

somebody. somebody. >> Yes. And if she was seeing another guy, >> Yes. And if she was seeing another guy, >> Yes. And if she was seeing another guy, then the question becomes, did Sheldon then the question becomes, did Sheldon then the question becomes, did Sheldon know about it? When investigators circle know about it? When investigators circle know about it? When investigators circle back to Sheldon, the short answer, back to Sheldon, the short answer, back to Sheldon, the short answer, according to him, is no. He admits the according to him, is no. He admits the according to him, is no. He admits the two weren't exactly in the best place two weren't exactly in the best place two weren't exactly in the best place the day that she vanished, mostly due to the day that she vanished, mostly due to the day that she vanished, mostly due to Brit's meth. He insists this wasn't some Brit's meth. He insists this wasn't some Brit's meth. He insists this wasn't some like blowup fight they had or anything, like blowup fight they had or anything, like blowup fight they had or anything, more just like bickering. But he does more just like bickering. But he does more just like bickering. But he does say that before leaving the house that say that before leaving the house that say that before leaving the house that night, Britney told him something along night, Britney told him something along night, Britney told him something along the lines of, "You're not going to like the lines of, "You're not going to like the lines of, "You're not going to like me much later, which he took to mean at me much later, which he took to mean at me much later, which he took to mean at the time that she was going to go out the time that she was going to go out the time that she was going to go out and get high." He says he actually and get high." He says he actually and get high." He says he actually didn't want to lend his car to her that didn't want to lend his car to her that didn't want to lend his car to her that night. People we spoke to told us that night. People we spoke to told us that night. People we spoke to told us that that car was his baby. But that night, that car was his baby. But that night, that car was his baby. But that night, Britney asked to borrow it so she could Britney asked to borrow it so she could Britney asked to borrow it so she could go to her grandma's. And according to go to her grandma's. And according to go to her grandma's. And according to Sheldon, he actually even offered to Sheldon, he actually even offered to Sheldon, he actually even offered to drive her himself. Like it was only like drive her himself. Like it was only like drive her himself. Like it was only like a 15-minute cruise away. But he says a 15-minute cruise away. But he says a 15-minute cruise away. But he says that Britney got irritated about this that Britney got irritated about this that Britney got irritated about this and was adamant about taking the car and was adamant about taking the car and was adamant about taking the car alone, alone, alone, >> which makes sense if she's meeting up >> which makes sense if she's meeting up >> which makes sense if she's meeting up with another guy, with another guy, with another guy, >> which is what I think happens cuz >> which is what I think happens cuz >> which is what I think happens cuz Sheldon helps fill in more of the Sheldon helps fill in more of the Sheldon helps fill in more of the timeline for November 30th. He says that timeline for November 30th. He says that timeline for November 30th. He says that she left his place likely sometime she left his place likely sometime she left his place likely sometime between 5 and 6:00 p.m. And not long between 5 and 6:00 p.m. And not long between 5 and 6:00 p.m. And not long after, Britney called him up like half after, Britney called him up like half after, Britney called him up like half joking, half complaining. I think that joking, half complaining. I think that joking, half complaining. I think that there wasn't enough gas in the car and there wasn't enough gas in the car and there wasn't enough gas in the car and she was going to have to stop and fill she was going to have to stop and fill she was going to have to stop and fill up. And after that's when we have a gap up. And after that's when we have a gap up. And after that's when we have a gap where we think she picks someone up where we think she picks someone up where we think she picks someone up before going to grandma's. Now once before going to grandma's. Now once before going to grandma's. Now once hours pass by, Sheldon tries contacting

hours pass by, Sheldon tries contacting hours pass by, Sheldon tries contacting Britney to see where she's at. Like Britney to see where she's at. Like Britney to see where she's at. Like she's supposed to be back with his car, she's supposed to be back with his car, she's supposed to be back with his car, but she won't answer, which probably but she won't answer, which probably but she won't answer, which probably frustrates him. Not cuz he is thinking frustrates him. Not cuz he is thinking frustrates him. Not cuz he is thinking she's with some other guy. He is she's with some other guy. He is she's with some other guy. He is thinking that she's out using and like I thinking that she's out using and like I thinking that she's out using and like I said, not back with his car after he said, not back with his car after he said, not back with his car after he already seemed like on the fence about already seemed like on the fence about already seemed like on the fence about her taking it. And look, after talking her taking it. And look, after talking her taking it. And look, after talking to people close to this case, Sheldon to people close to this case, Sheldon to people close to this case, Sheldon doesn't really seem like the jealous doesn't really seem like the jealous doesn't really seem like the jealous type. He is more so the guy that Brit type. He is more so the guy that Brit type. He is more so the guy that Brit felt she could always fall back on if felt she could always fall back on if felt she could always fall back on if she needed something. So, at 9:42 p.m., she needed something. So, at 9:42 p.m., she needed something. So, at 9:42 p.m., he actually called a friend and his he actually called a friend and his he actually called a friend and his cousin and asked them to pick him up so cousin and asked them to pick him up so cousin and asked them to pick him up so they could go out and look for Britney. they could go out and look for Britney. they could go out and look for Britney. And deputies end up confirming this with And deputies end up confirming this with And deputies end up confirming this with those two people. The first place they those two people. The first place they those two people. The first place they said they checked are the Village Manor said they checked are the Village Manor said they checked are the Village Manor Apartments in Sturgis. Why not grandma's Apartments in Sturgis. Why not grandma's Apartments in Sturgis. Why not grandma's if that's where she said she was going? if that's where she said she was going? if that's where she said she was going? >> Well, because according to Sheldon, >> Well, because according to Sheldon, >> Well, because according to Sheldon, Britney would go to these apartments to Britney would go to these apartments to Britney would go to these apartments to visit friends and to do drugs like or visit friends and to do drugs like or visit friends and to do drugs like or get drugs. And remember, like that is get drugs. And remember, like that is get drugs. And remember, like that is what he thought was going on here, why what he thought was going on here, why what he thought was going on here, why she isn't back. But he goes there, she isn't back. But he goes there, she isn't back. But he goes there, doesn't spot her car. So then they did doesn't spot her car. So then they did doesn't spot her car. So then they did go by grandma's. No car there either.

go by grandma's. No car there either. go by grandma's. No car there either. They said they drove back to the Village They said they drove back to the Village They said they drove back to the Village Manor Apartments one more time, but when Manor Apartments one more time, but when Manor Apartments one more time, but when they still couldn't find her, they just they still couldn't find her, they just they still couldn't find her, they just went back to Sheldon's house. And it is went back to Sheldon's house. And it is went back to Sheldon's house. And it is very soon after he gets back home that very soon after he gets back home that very soon after he gets back home that there is a knock on his door, not there is a knock on his door, not there is a knock on his door, not Britney, but police. And so now we're Britney, but police. And so now we're Britney, but police. And so now we're back to the point in the timeline that back to the point in the timeline that back to the point in the timeline that I've already told you about when I've already told you about when I've already told you about when officers showed up to tell him that his officers showed up to tell him that his officers showed up to tell him that his car was found abandoned after this quote car was found abandoned after this quote car was found abandoned after this quote unquote crash. And Sheldon said that he unquote crash. And Sheldon said that he unquote crash. And Sheldon said that he had no clue who Britt had been with. And had no clue who Britt had been with. And had no clue who Britt had been with. And so this is one of the great mysteries of so this is one of the great mysteries of so this is one of the great mysteries of this case because there is some evidence this case because there is some evidence this case because there is some evidence to suggest that Britney might not have to suggest that Britney might not have to suggest that Britney might not have been running from a car accident that been running from a car accident that been running from a car accident that night. She may have been running from night. She may have been running from night. She may have been running from this man. And there are signs that this man. And there are signs that this man. And there are signs that mystery man may have found her. >> 911 emergency. >> 911 emergency. For 40 minutes, a man held six women For 40 minutes, a man held six women For 40 minutes, a man held six women captive inside Elaine Bryant store in captive inside Elaine Bryant store in captive inside Elaine Bryant store in Tinley Park, Illinois. Five were Tinley Park, Illinois. Five were Tinley Park, Illinois. Five were executed and the killer escaped.

executed and the killer escaped. executed and the killer escaped. >> The search continues for the gunman. >> The search continues for the gunman. >> The search continues for the gunman. >> Authorities have his face, voice, and >> Authorities have his face, voice, and >> Authorities have his face, voice, and possible DNA. But 18 years later, this possible DNA. But 18 years later, this possible DNA. But 18 years later, this case is still unsolved. case is still unsolved. case is still unsolved. >> There was no doubt in my mind that we >> There was no doubt in my mind that we >> There was no doubt in my mind that we were going to get this guy, and I was were going to get this guy, and I was were going to get this guy, and I was wrong. wrong. wrong. >> I'm Dillia Deira, and this is >> I'm Dillia Deira, and this is >> I'm Dillia Deira, and this is Counterclock season 8. Listen now, Counterclock season 8. Listen now, Counterclock season 8. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. This case started with Sheldon's car This case started with Sheldon's car going off the road. Supposedly, that is going off the road. Supposedly, that is going off the road. Supposedly, that is why Britney went to John's and asked to why Britney went to John's and asked to why Britney went to John's and asked to use the phone, but there is something use the phone, but there is something use the phone, but there is something about that that doesn't really ring all about that that doesn't really ring all about that that doesn't really ring all the way true. I mean, yes, the car went the way true. I mean, yes, the car went the way true. I mean, yes, the car went off the road, but like I said, I think off the road, but like I said, I think off the road, but like I said, I think it was still totally drivable. Now, it was still totally drivable. Now, it was still totally drivable. Now, police did have it towed, probably just police did have it towed, probably just police did have it towed, probably just because it had been abandoned. Someone because it had been abandoned. Someone because it had been abandoned. Someone had fled the scene. But most people our had fled the scene. But most people our had fled the scene. But most people our reporter Madison talked to said that reporter Madison talked to said that reporter Madison talked to said that this ditch was super shallow. Like this ditch was super shallow. Like this ditch was super shallow. Like arguably they wouldn't even call it a arguably they wouldn't even call it a arguably they wouldn't even call it a real ditch. I wouldn't either. I was real ditch. I wouldn't either. I was real ditch. I wouldn't either. I was like on Google Maps. I've seen videos like on Google Maps. I've seen videos like on Google Maps. I've seen videos that they sent us of out like you grew that they sent us of out like you grew that they sent us of out like you grew up in.

up in. up in. >> I can like close my eyes and imagine >> I can like close my eyes and imagine >> I can like close my eyes and imagine it's like a slight divot on the shoulder it's like a slight divot on the shoulder it's like a slight divot on the shoulder and then back and then back and then back >> barely. And if a car went off and I know >> barely. And if a car went off and I know >> barely. And if a car went off and I know there was a little snow on the ground there was a little snow on the ground there was a little snow on the ground like say it was like really low to the like say it was like really low to the like say it was like really low to the ground. I think even just with a little ground. I think even just with a little ground. I think even just with a little bit of effort you would have been able bit of effort you would have been able bit of effort you would have been able to get it out of there. Yeah. to get it out of there. Yeah. to get it out of there. Yeah. >> Now, to be fair, if you're on your own >> Now, to be fair, if you're on your own >> Now, to be fair, if you're on your own or like if you were high, maybe you are or like if you were high, maybe you are or like if you were high, maybe you are really stuck. But for argument's sake, really stuck. But for argument's sake, really stuck. But for argument's sake, say the car could have been driven out say the car could have been driven out say the car could have been driven out of there. Why wouldn't she? Maybe she of there. Why wouldn't she? Maybe she of there. Why wouldn't she? Maybe she was trying to get away from someone in was trying to get away from someone in was trying to get away from someone in the car. Remember, she had those small the car. Remember, she had those small the car. Remember, she had those small cuts and injuries that can't fully be cuts and injuries that can't fully be cuts and injuries that can't fully be explained by her just going off the explained by her just going off the explained by her just going off the road, maybe tapping a little small tree road, maybe tapping a little small tree road, maybe tapping a little small tree that was there. Grandma said that that was there. Grandma said that that was there. Grandma said that Britney and the mystery man seemed to be Britney and the mystery man seemed to be Britney and the mystery man seemed to be arguing a bit. And Britney's mom, arguing a bit. And Britney's mom, arguing a bit. And Britney's mom, Jessica Rolf, told us something Jessica Rolf, told us something Jessica Rolf, told us something interesting about her. Believe it or interesting about her. Believe it or interesting about her. Believe it or not, she said that Britney actually had not, she said that Britney actually had not, she said that Britney actually had this habit of impulsively jumping out of this habit of impulsively jumping out of this habit of impulsively jumping out of cars when she was pissed off. Like, it's cars when she was pissed off. Like, it's cars when she was pissed off. Like, it's something her mom had witnessed her something her mom had witnessed her something her mom had witnessed her doing before in an argument. And to doing before in an argument. And to doing before in an argument. And to further hint at this idea that something further hint at this idea that something further hint at this idea that something happened in the car when Sheldon got the happened in the car when Sheldon got the happened in the car when Sheldon got the car back from impound, he says the car back from impound, he says the car back from impound, he says the inside was trashed. Like the glove box inside was trashed. Like the glove box inside was trashed. Like the glove box was open. Britney's purse had supposedly was open. Britney's purse had supposedly was open. Britney's purse had supposedly been like dumped out. Her belongings been like dumped out. Her belongings been like dumped out. Her belongings were scattered everywhere. And were scattered everywhere. And were scattered everywhere. And apparently that was exactly how it was apparently that was exactly how it was apparently that was exactly how it was when first responders found it on the when first responders found it on the when first responders found it on the side of the road in the first place. So side of the road in the first place. So side of the road in the first place. So say something happened in that car

say something happened in that car say something happened in that car before or after it went off the road. before or after it went off the road. before or after it went off the road. Was Britney trying to get away from the Was Britney trying to get away from the Was Britney trying to get away from the person she was in the car with? person she was in the car with? person she was in the car with? If so, there is a good chance that he If so, there is a good chance that he If so, there is a good chance that he caught up to her. Now, John isn't around caught up to her. Now, John isn't around caught up to her. Now, John isn't around anymore for us to get this story anymore for us to get this story anymore for us to get this story directly from him. But Britney's dad, directly from him. But Britney's dad, directly from him. But Britney's dad, Greg, relayed to us that John had told Greg, relayed to us that John had told Greg, relayed to us that John had told someone that when he went out to his someone that when he went out to his someone that when he went out to his detached garage the next morning after detached garage the next morning after detached garage the next morning after Britney had been at his house, it looked Britney had been at his house, it looked Britney had been at his house, it looked like someone had gone through his stuff. like someone had gone through his stuff. like someone had gone through his stuff. The insinuation being that this had The insinuation being that this had The insinuation being that this had supposedly happened when Britney herself supposedly happened when Britney herself supposedly happened when Britney herself was inside with John talking to was inside with John talking to was inside with John talking to dispatch. dispatch. dispatch. >> Meaning Mystery Man is in the garage, >> Meaning Mystery Man is in the garage, >> Meaning Mystery Man is in the garage, >> right? But that doesn't mean she didn't >> right? But that doesn't mean she didn't >> right? But that doesn't mean she didn't know. know. know. >> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? >> I mean, like, I'd venture to guess >> I mean, like, I'd venture to guess >> I mean, like, I'd venture to guess people are more willing to open their people are more willing to open their people are more willing to open their door to a young woman in trouble than a door to a young woman in trouble than a door to a young woman in trouble than a woman and a man. Like maybe she went up woman and a man. Like maybe she went up woman and a man. Like maybe she went up to use the phone, told him to wait to use the phone, told him to wait to use the phone, told him to wait outside. Actually, that would make a lot outside. Actually, that would make a lot outside. Actually, that would make a lot of sense, especially of sense, especially of sense, especially when combined with the tidbit of info when combined with the tidbit of info when combined with the tidbit of info that we get like when deputies canvas that we get like when deputies canvas that we get like when deputies canvas the neighborhood. So, the neighborhood. So, the neighborhood. So, >> okay, there isn't like much of a >> okay, there isn't like much of a >> okay, there isn't like much of a neighborhood canvas. Again, you know, neighborhood canvas. Again, you know, neighborhood canvas. Again, you know, this area like it's this area like it's this area like it's >> super spread out.

>> super spread out. >> super spread out. >> Yeah, it's pretty rural, but there was >> Yeah, it's pretty rural, but there was >> Yeah, it's pretty rural, but there was another house not too far from John's on another house not too far from John's on another house not too far from John's on the same road. And someone in that house the same road. And someone in that house the same road. And someone in that house saw Brit that night, too. According to saw Brit that night, too. According to saw Brit that night, too. According to the case file, there was this young teen the case file, there was this young teen the case file, there was this young teen who was home alone and they reported who was home alone and they reported who was home alone and they reported seeing Britney outside this house seeing Britney outside this house seeing Britney outside this house wearing a big green coat just like the wearing a big green coat just like the wearing a big green coat just like the one that Jon had given her. And we can one that Jon had given her. And we can one that Jon had given her. And we can be sure that this happened after she be sure that this happened after she be sure that this happened after she left John's. left John's. left John's. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> But it's what happened next that's >> But it's what happened next that's >> But it's what happened next that's really unsettling. So according to the really unsettling. So according to the really unsettling. So according to the report, while he watched this woman like report, while he watched this woman like report, while he watched this woman like circle from the backyard to the front, circle from the backyard to the front, circle from the backyard to the front, like peering through the windows, he like peering through the windows, he like peering through the windows, he heard someone else knocking on his front heard someone else knocking on his front heard someone else knocking on his front door at the same time. Now, this door at the same time. Now, this door at the same time. Now, this teenager was obviously like super teenager was obviously like super teenager was obviously like super freaked out. He's not going to answer freaked out. He's not going to answer freaked out. He's not going to answer the door for whoever is knocking. So, he the door for whoever is knocking. So, he the door for whoever is knocking. So, he didn't see what that person looked like didn't see what that person looked like didn't see what that person looked like or anything. The question is, was this or anything. The question is, was this or anything. The question is, was this person like stalking her and looking for person like stalking her and looking for person like stalking her and looking for her, thinking maybe, you know, she was her, thinking maybe, you know, she was her, thinking maybe, you know, she was at John's, maybe she's here, at John's, maybe she's here, at John's, maybe she's here, >> or now thinking what you're saying, were >> or now thinking what you're saying, were >> or now thinking what you're saying, were they together? they together? they together? >> Did they travel to that second house >> Did they travel to that second house >> Did they travel to that second house together?

together? together? >> Did they ever do searches in like the >> Did they ever do searches in like the >> Did they ever do searches in like the fields? Cuz again, like looking at a map fields? Cuz again, like looking at a map fields? Cuz again, like looking at a map of this, this is an area like where I of this, this is an area like where I of this, this is an area like where I grew up. These houses are square miles grew up. These houses are square miles grew up. These houses are square miles apart. Sometimes apart. Sometimes apart. Sometimes >> they're huge fields in between. Yeah. >> they're huge fields in between. Yeah. >> they're huge fields in between. Yeah. >> If she's barefoot and it's freezing, >> If she's barefoot and it's freezing, >> If she's barefoot and it's freezing, there's some snow on the ground and this there's some snow on the ground and this there's some snow on the ground and this next house didn't open their door. Like next house didn't open their door. Like next house didn't open their door. Like maybe she didn't make it any further. maybe she didn't make it any further. maybe she didn't make it any further. >> Yeah. I mean, people have wondered that >> Yeah. I mean, people have wondered that >> Yeah. I mean, people have wondered that thinking that like she like either thinking that like she like either thinking that like she like either became disoriented in like the freezing became disoriented in like the freezing became disoriented in like the freezing dark, especially if she was using drugs, dark, especially if she was using drugs, dark, especially if she was using drugs, she succumbed to the elements somewhere she succumbed to the elements somewhere she succumbed to the elements somewhere near the road that they're on. It's near the road that they're on. It's near the road that they're on. It's called Fawn River Road. Or they're even called Fawn River Road. Or they're even called Fawn River Road. Or they're even thinking like, did she possibly thinking like, did she possibly thinking like, did she possibly overdose? But to answer your question, overdose? But to answer your question, overdose? But to answer your question, yes, they have searched and yes, they have searched and yes, they have searched and >> they haven't found anything. So, like >> they haven't found anything. So, like >> they haven't found anything. So, like that makes me think that that's super that makes me think that that's super that makes me think that that's super unlikely. Especially when you think unlikely. Especially when you think unlikely. Especially when you think about this is like late November, early about this is like late November, early about this is like late November, early December when they're searching. This is December when they're searching. This is December when they're searching. This is flat flat farmland for like as far as flat flat farmland for like as far as flat flat farmland for like as far as the eye can see. the eye can see. the eye can see. >> The joke is like you can watch your dog >> The joke is like you can watch your dog >> The joke is like you can watch your dog run away for a week like it's just run away for a week like it's just run away for a week like it's just there's nothing there. there's nothing there. there's nothing there. >> If she had just like like you know >> If she had just like like you know >> If she had just like like you know fallen and died there or like whatever fallen and died there or like whatever fallen and died there or like whatever see her body see her body see her body >> she would have been discovered by now.

>> she would have been discovered by now. >> she would have been discovered by now. And even since those early days there And even since those early days there And even since those early days there have been even more searches beyond the have been even more searches beyond the have been even more searches beyond the open fields like in surrounding woods open fields like in surrounding woods open fields like in surrounding woods water but still Britney has never been water but still Britney has never been water but still Britney has never been found. And outside of people having found. And outside of people having found. And outside of people having their own varying opinions on who he their own varying opinions on who he their own varying opinions on who he might be, Mystery Man has never been might be, Mystery Man has never been might be, Mystery Man has never been identified. I'm still having a hard time identified. I'm still having a hard time identified. I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around because this is wrapping my head around because this is wrapping my head around because this is this is like 2018, right? this is like 2018, right? this is like 2018, right? >> Yeah, this is like fairly recently. And >> Yeah, this is like fairly recently. And >> Yeah, this is like fairly recently. And like, like, like, >> right, did we not pull phone records? >> right, did we not pull phone records? >> right, did we not pull phone records? How do we not know who she was meeting How do we not know who she was meeting How do we not know who she was meeting up with that night? And like what about up with that night? And like what about up with that night? And like what about the car? Like cuz Prince should have the car? Like cuz Prince should have the car? Like cuz Prince should have been all over it if he was in it, right? been all over it if he was in it, right? been all over it if he was in it, right? >> It's so frustrating. So, we know she has >> It's so frustrating. So, we know she has >> It's so frustrating. So, we know she has her phone with her when she leaves her phone with her when she leaves her phone with her when she leaves Sheldon. Remember, she took that selfie, Sheldon. Remember, she took that selfie, Sheldon. Remember, she took that selfie, >> right? But I don't know what happened to >> right? But I don't know what happened to >> right? But I don't know what happened to her phone because actually, one of the her phone because actually, one of the her phone because actually, one of the things I keep wondering is why she things I keep wondering is why she things I keep wondering is why she wouldn't use that to call for help. wouldn't use that to call for help. wouldn't use that to call for help. Like, why did she even need to go to Like, why did she even need to go to Like, why did she even need to go to John's farmhouse at all? And according John's farmhouse at all? And according John's farmhouse at all? And according to Sheldon, it hadn't been left behind to Sheldon, it hadn't been left behind to Sheldon, it hadn't been left behind in his car when he went to pick it up. in his car when he went to pick it up. in his car when he went to pick it up. So, the only thing that I can come up So, the only thing that I can come up So, the only thing that I can come up with as far as her phone goes is like with as far as her phone goes is like with as far as her phone goes is like >> A, maybe mystery man took it and like >> A, maybe mystery man took it and like >> A, maybe mystery man took it and like that's why she needed to go to John's.

that's why she needed to go to John's. that's why she needed to go to John's. >> Or B, like I'm trying to think back to >> Or B, like I'm trying to think back to >> Or B, like I'm trying to think back to 2018, was this a world where like there 2018, was this a world where like there 2018, was this a world where like there was bad service? Like, I mean, it could was bad service? Like, I mean, it could was bad service? Like, I mean, it could definitely be spotty for sure. And definitely be spotty for sure. And definitely be spotty for sure. And listen, I know according to the case listen, I know according to the case listen, I know according to the case file, authorities attempted to ping it, file, authorities attempted to ping it, file, authorities attempted to ping it, but whatever ping they tried to do just but whatever ping they tried to do just but whatever ping they tried to do just didn't work. like the phone was either didn't work. like the phone was either didn't work. like the phone was either off or it was roaming or there was like off or it was roaming or there was like off or it was roaming or there was like no service. no service. no service. >> Okay. But can't they see where it was >> Okay. But can't they see where it was >> Okay. But can't they see where it was like before it went offline? like before it went offline? like before it went offline? >> I would think, but there is no detail in >> I would think, but there is no detail in >> I would think, but there is no detail in the records about this and law the records about this and law the records about this and law enforcement wouldn't talk to us. So, I enforcement wouldn't talk to us. So, I enforcement wouldn't talk to us. So, I don't know exactly what they did or don't know exactly what they did or don't know exactly what they did or didn't pull. And I believe it may have didn't pull. And I believe it may have didn't pull. And I believe it may have been like a a prepaid or like pay as you been like a a prepaid or like pay as you been like a a prepaid or like pay as you go kind of thing. So, like I don't know go kind of thing. So, like I don't know go kind of thing. So, like I don't know if that factors in. But even still, I if that factors in. But even still, I if that factors in. But even still, I don't know what they tried to track don't know what they tried to track don't know what they tried to track locationwise or like communicationwise locationwise or like communicationwise locationwise or like communicationwise like related to that phone. But if like related to that phone. But if like related to that phone. But if anything, I assume it didn't lead them anything, I assume it didn't lead them anything, I assume it didn't lead them to mystery man or we wouldn't be here to mystery man or we wouldn't be here to mystery man or we wouldn't be here talking about it. talking about it. talking about it. >> Oh, right. And what about the car? >> Oh, right. And what about the car? >> Oh, right. And what about the car? >> So, oh, that is the thing that's going >> So, oh, that is the thing that's going >> So, oh, that is the thing that's going to frustrate you. It was just never to frustrate you. It was just never to frustrate you. It was just never processed. I guess because they just processed. I guess because they just processed. I guess because they just assumed initially that this was like a assumed initially that this was like a assumed initially that this was like a girl who didn't want to be found. Like girl who didn't want to be found. Like girl who didn't want to be found. Like they're not thinking foul play, they're not thinking foul play, they're not thinking foul play, especially not at first. So, like they especially not at first. So, like they especially not at first. So, like they just give it back to Sheldon. He just just give it back to Sheldon. He just just give it back to Sheldon. He just goes to pick it up from impound, no goes to pick it up from impound, no goes to pick it up from impound, no problem. And then I don't know if like problem. And then I don't know if like problem. And then I don't know if like by the time they like realize what's by the time they like realize what's by the time they like realize what's going on, they're like, "Oh well, too going on, they're like, "Oh well, too going on, they're like, "Oh well, too late." To me, it's never too late, but late." To me, it's never too late, but late." To me, it's never too late, but like never gets processed.

like never gets processed. like never gets processed. >> But at least in giving evidence back to >> But at least in giving evidence back to >> But at least in giving evidence back to Sheldon, they did get a statement from Sheldon, they did get a statement from Sheldon, they did get a statement from him. him. him. >> And he starts telling police about the >> And he starts telling police about the >> And he starts telling police about the people that Britney was known to go see, people that Britney was known to go see, people that Britney was known to go see, starting with a woman named Ashley starting with a woman named Ashley starting with a woman named Ashley Hulie. And Ashley's interesting because Hulie. And Ashley's interesting because Hulie. And Ashley's interesting because she lives at the same Village Manor she lives at the same Village Manor she lives at the same Village Manor apartments in Sturgis where Sheldon apartments in Sturgis where Sheldon apartments in Sturgis where Sheldon first went looking for Britney the night first went looking for Britney the night first went looking for Britney the night that she vanished. It wasn't grandma's that she vanished. It wasn't grandma's that she vanished. It wasn't grandma's house he went to. It was there, right? house he went to. It was there, right? house he went to. It was there, right? >> And Sheldon told investigators that he >> And Sheldon told investigators that he >> And Sheldon told investigators that he did that because Britney regularly went did that because Britney regularly went did that because Britney regularly went there to buy and use meth. But Ashley there to buy and use meth. But Ashley there to buy and use meth. But Ashley wasn't just some random drug dealer. wasn't just some random drug dealer. wasn't just some random drug dealer. When she comes in to speak with When she comes in to speak with When she comes in to speak with investigators, she tells them just how investigators, she tells them just how investigators, she tells them just how deeply she was tied to Britney. They're deeply she was tied to Britney. They're deeply she was tied to Britney. They're sisters. and she's desperate to find her sisters. and she's desperate to find her sisters. and she's desperate to find her and she is already trying to do whatever and she is already trying to do whatever and she is already trying to do whatever she can to help. Except that's a lie. she can to help. Except that's a lie. she can to help. Except that's a lie. She did seem to be inserting herself She did seem to be inserting herself She did seem to be inserting herself into the investigation, but she is not into the investigation, but she is not into the investigation, but she is not Britney's blood sister. Britney's dad is Britney's blood sister. Britney's dad is Britney's blood sister. Britney's dad is like, I don't even know who this woman like, I don't even know who this woman like, I don't even know who this woman is.

is. is. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Now, Ashley does eventually clarify that >> Now, Ashley does eventually clarify that >> Now, Ashley does eventually clarify that she and Britney are not biologically she and Britney are not biologically she and Britney are not biologically related. They're just like really close. related. They're just like really close. related. They're just like really close. And in a later interview, she'd And in a later interview, she'd And in a later interview, she'd eventually say that Britney was her best eventually say that Britney was her best eventually say that Britney was her best friend, but she didn't know if she was friend, but she didn't know if she was friend, but she didn't know if she was Britney's. And some of Britney's family Britney's. And some of Britney's family Britney's. And some of Britney's family says Ashley may not have been nearly as says Ashley may not have been nearly as says Ashley may not have been nearly as close to Britney as she was presenting close to Britney as she was presenting close to Britney as she was presenting herself to be. And over time, they start herself to be. And over time, they start herself to be. And over time, they start wondering whether Ashley is genuinely wondering whether Ashley is genuinely wondering whether Ashley is genuinely trying to help solve Britney's trying to help solve Britney's trying to help solve Britney's disappearance because like I said, she disappearance because like I said, she disappearance because like I said, she just keeps like putting herself in the just keeps like putting herself in the just keeps like putting herself in the middle or whether she may be trying to middle or whether she may be trying to middle or whether she may be trying to steer attention away from something else steer attention away from something else steer attention away from something else entirely. entirely. entirely. But what? According to Ashley, she and But what? According to Ashley, she and But what? According to Ashley, she and Britt had recently been in touch. But Britt had recently been in touch. But Britt had recently been in touch. But pinning down exactly when they last pinning down exactly when they last pinning down exactly when they last spoke or saw each other gets a bit spoke or saw each other gets a bit spoke or saw each other gets a bit tricky because in one part of her tricky because in one part of her tricky because in one part of her interview, Ashley tells investigators interview, Ashley tells investigators interview, Ashley tells investigators that the last time she physically saw that the last time she physically saw that the last time she physically saw Britney was November 23rd. Britney was November 23rd. Britney was November 23rd. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Then later she changes that to November >> Then later she changes that to November >> Then later she changes that to November 28th. But she says the last contact of 28th. But she says the last contact of 28th. But she says the last contact of any kind she had with Britney was any kind she had with Britney was any kind she had with Britney was through Facebook Messenger on November through Facebook Messenger on November through Facebook Messenger on November 30th, the very day she vanished. And 30th, the very day she vanished. And 30th, the very day she vanished. And listen, from what we know, that listen, from what we know, that listen, from what we know, that communication was friendly enough. Like communication was friendly enough. Like communication was friendly enough. Like Brit was just checking in on her. Brit was just checking in on her. Brit was just checking in on her. >> And what did their other interactions >> And what did their other interactions >> And what did their other interactions say? Like further back. say? Like further back. say? Like further back. >> Well, I'd love to tell you, but and this >> Well, I'd love to tell you, but and this >> Well, I'd love to tell you, but and this is jumping ahead just a little bit, is jumping ahead just a little bit, is jumping ahead just a little bit, something weird ends up happening with something weird ends up happening with something weird ends up happening with Britney's social media. People we spoke Britney's social media. People we spoke Britney's social media. People we spoke to told us that Facebook Messenger was to told us that Facebook Messenger was to told us that Facebook Messenger was like one of the main ways that Britney like one of the main ways that Britney like one of the main ways that Britney communicated, but everything on her communicated, but everything on her communicated, but everything on her social media had gone completely dark social media had gone completely dark social media had gone completely dark since she disappeared. Except months since she disappeared. Except months since she disappeared. Except months after she had been missing, a friend after she had been missing, a friend after she had been missing, a friend notices that one of her Facebook notices that one of her Facebook notices that one of her Facebook accounts suddenly appears active again. accounts suddenly appears active again. accounts suddenly appears active again. So, she tells Brit's mom, Jessica Rolf, So, she tells Brit's mom, Jessica Rolf, So, she tells Brit's mom, Jessica Rolf, who then notifies law enforcement. And who then notifies law enforcement. And who then notifies law enforcement. And it's not like she is talking to anyone it's not like she is talking to anyone it's not like she is talking to anyone or like posting anything normally. the or like posting anything normally. the or like posting anything normally. the account just starts doing these strange account just starts doing these strange account just starts doing these strange things like they think stuff was things like they think stuff was things like they think stuff was possibly being like hidden, deleted, possibly being like hidden, deleted, possibly being like hidden, deleted, altered in some way. Then apparently altered in some way. Then apparently altered in some way. Then apparently some of Brit's conversations with Ashley some of Brit's conversations with Ashley some of Brit's conversations with Ashley start disappearing. Now, I know start disappearing. Now, I know start disappearing. Now, I know investigators took the activity investigators took the activity investigators took the activity seriously enough that in July of 2019, seriously enough that in July of 2019, seriously enough that in July of 2019, they requested emergency Facebook they requested emergency Facebook they requested emergency Facebook records tied to Britney's account and records tied to Britney's account and records tied to Britney's account and they obtained IP address information they obtained IP address information they obtained IP address information connected to the login. But a freaking connected to the login. But a freaking connected to the login. But a freaking course, their findings aren't documented course, their findings aren't documented course, their findings aren't documented in the files that we got access to.

in the files that we got access to. in the files that we got access to. >> Why would they be? >> Why would they be? >> Why would they be? >> But I do believe at least some of that >> But I do believe at least some of that >> But I do believe at least some of that activity that happened on her account activity that happened on her account activity that happened on her account can be tied to Ashley because our can be tied to Ashley because our can be tied to Ashley because our reporter Madison got in touch with reporter Madison got in touch with reporter Madison got in touch with Ashley and she did agree to answer some Ashley and she did agree to answer some Ashley and she did agree to answer some questions via Facebook Messenger, of questions via Facebook Messenger, of questions via Facebook Messenger, of course, but they did end up hopping on a course, but they did end up hopping on a course, but they did end up hopping on a quick call later for some like quick call later for some like quick call later for some like follow-ups at the last minute, too. Now, follow-ups at the last minute, too. Now, follow-ups at the last minute, too. Now, Ashley acknowledges that she did in fact Ashley acknowledges that she did in fact Ashley acknowledges that she did in fact access some of Brit's online accounts access some of Brit's online accounts access some of Brit's online accounts after she disappeared, after she disappeared, after she disappeared, but she says that it's not in the way but she says that it's not in the way but she says that it's not in the way that's like being portrayed, like it that's like being portrayed, like it that's like being portrayed, like it wasn't malicious. She says that Sheldon wasn't malicious. She says that Sheldon wasn't malicious. She says that Sheldon sent her a picture of like notebooks sent her a picture of like notebooks sent her a picture of like notebooks that Britney kept with passwords and that Britney kept with passwords and that Britney kept with passwords and account recovery information, and that account recovery information, and that account recovery information, and that they were like hoping those accounts they were like hoping those accounts they were like hoping those accounts might reveal who Britney had been might reveal who Britney had been might reveal who Britney had been talking to before she went missing. talking to before she went missing. talking to before she went missing. According to Ashley, most of the According to Ashley, most of the According to Ashley, most of the passwords no longer worked. And she says passwords no longer worked. And she says passwords no longer worked. And she says she was only able to get into that one she was only able to get into that one she was only able to get into that one Facebook account and later she told Facebook account and later she told Facebook account and later she told detectives that she had access to it. detectives that she had access to it. detectives that she had access to it. They asked her to stop going in. She They asked her to stop going in. She They asked her to stop going in. She says she did. But then months later she says she did. But then months later she says she did. But then months later she says that a private investigator says that a private investigator says that a private investigator approached her for help accessing the approached her for help accessing the approached her for help accessing the additional accounts. And so Ashley says additional accounts. And so Ashley says additional accounts. And so Ashley says that she believed that this PI was like that she believed that this PI was like that she believed that this PI was like working with law enforcement and like working with law enforcement and like working with law enforcement and like again she was trying to help. She says again she was trying to help. She says again she was trying to help. She says she wasn't trying to like alter evidence she wasn't trying to like alter evidence she wasn't trying to like alter evidence or hide information. She says that she or hide information. She says that she or hide information. She says that she was simply looking for clues that might was simply looking for clues that might was simply looking for clues that might help locate Britney. And here's the help locate Britney. And here's the help locate Britney. And here's the thing she says isn't correct about any thing she says isn't correct about any thing she says isn't correct about any of these allegations. She says that lots of these allegations. She says that lots of these allegations. She says that lots of stuff was already gone before she got

of stuff was already gone before she got of stuff was already gone before she got access to it. And according to her, it access to it. And according to her, it access to it. And according to her, it wasn't even just messages between her wasn't even just messages between her wasn't even just messages between her and Britt that got deleted either. She and Britt that got deleted either. She and Britt that got deleted either. She says there were lots more. But both of says there were lots more. But both of says there were lots more. But both of Brit's parents dispute that. Who else Brit's parents dispute that. Who else Brit's parents dispute that. Who else has got deleted? Her parents say that has got deleted? Her parents say that has got deleted? Her parents say that there is at least one other person whose there is at least one other person whose there is at least one other person whose messages seem to have been messed with. messages seem to have been messed with. messages seem to have been messed with. It was actually the one other person It was actually the one other person It was actually the one other person whose name kept coming up over and over whose name kept coming up over and over whose name kept coming up over and over again with Ashley's as they like police again with Ashley's as they like police again with Ashley's as they like police and her family were talking to people. and her family were talking to people. and her family were talking to people. And that is Eric Shank, Britney's And that is Eric Shank, Britney's And that is Eric Shank, Britney's husband. husband. husband. >> One her what? But two of these names are >> One her what? But two of these names are >> One her what? But two of these names are also giving me a hard time. Actually also giving me a hard time. Actually also giving me a hard time. Actually >> gosh, Eric, I know I know. Listen, I >> gosh, Eric, I know I know. Listen, I >> gosh, Eric, I know I know. Listen, I told you that her love life is told you that her love life is told you that her love life is complicated and buckle up because this complicated and buckle up because this complicated and buckle up because this is where the case really takes a turn. Eric Shank is Britney's ex, but still he Eric Shank is Britney's ex, but still he was technically her husband in November was technically her husband in November was technically her husband in November of 2018. They're separated, but still of 2018. They're separated, but still of 2018. They're separated, but still legally married and sharing two legally married and sharing two legally married and sharing two children. Britney had reportedly started children. Britney had reportedly started children. Britney had reportedly started filling out divorce papers shortly filling out divorce papers shortly filling out divorce papers shortly before she disappeared to try and make before she disappeared to try and make before she disappeared to try and make things official. Now, whatever things official. Now, whatever things official. Now, whatever arrangement they had going on meant that arrangement they had going on meant that arrangement they had going on meant that Britney was free to date Sheldon or Britney was free to date Sheldon or Britney was free to date Sheldon or whoever else she wanted. But whoever else she wanted. But whoever else she wanted. But emotionally, emotionally, emotionally, things were messier than that. Because things were messier than that. Because things were messier than that. Because according to Britney's mom, Jessica, according to Britney's mom, Jessica, according to Britney's mom, Jessica, even though the relationship had become even though the relationship had become even though the relationship had become incredibly toxic due to drugs, Britney

incredibly toxic due to drugs, Britney incredibly toxic due to drugs, Britney and Eric still had this intense pull and Eric still had this intense pull and Eric still had this intense pull toward one another. like they could toward one another. like they could toward one another. like they could split up and somehow still always end up split up and somehow still always end up split up and somehow still always end up right back in each other's orbit. And by right back in each other's orbit. And by right back in each other's orbit. And by the time Britney goes missing, she may the time Britney goes missing, she may the time Britney goes missing, she may be back with Sheldon, but Eric is still be back with Sheldon, but Eric is still be back with Sheldon, but Eric is still deeply woven into her everyday life and deeply woven into her everyday life and deeply woven into her everyday life and into their little friend group because into their little friend group because into their little friend group because Eric knows Ashley well, too. He goes to Eric knows Ashley well, too. He goes to Eric knows Ashley well, too. He goes to her apartment to buy and use drugs, too. her apartment to buy and use drugs, too. her apartment to buy and use drugs, too. And when he's later asked where he was And when he's later asked where he was And when he's later asked where he was when Britney went missing, Eric when Britney went missing, Eric when Britney went missing, Eric remembered staying over at Ashley's remembered staying over at Ashley's remembered staying over at Ashley's apartment that entire night. Oh, that is apartment that entire night. Oh, that is apartment that entire night. Oh, that is part of why some of Britney's family part of why some of Britney's family part of why some of Britney's family starts paying such close attention to starts paying such close attention to starts paying such close attention to Ashley moving forward. She is basically Ashley moving forward. She is basically Ashley moving forward. She is basically Eric's alibi and Eric hers. And when we Eric's alibi and Eric hers. And when we Eric's alibi and Eric hers. And when we asked her about that night, Ashley, I asked her about that night, Ashley, I asked her about that night, Ashley, I mean, she said Eric came over at like mean, she said Eric came over at like mean, she said Eric came over at like 8:40 p.m. and then was there like most 8:40 p.m. and then was there like most 8:40 p.m. and then was there like most of the time.

of the time. of the time. >> So, perfect alibi for the kind of exact >> So, perfect alibi for the kind of exact >> So, perfect alibi for the kind of exact time that Britney goes missing. time that Britney goes missing. time that Britney goes missing. >> Yes. But around 1:00 a.m., she says that >> Yes. But around 1:00 a.m., she says that >> Yes. But around 1:00 a.m., she says that he left, took her car to put air in the he left, took her car to put air in the he left, took her car to put air in the tires and then it sounds like he like tires and then it sounds like he like tires and then it sounds like he like comes back and then he eventually like comes back and then he eventually like comes back and then he eventually like leaves her place again to go back home leaves her place again to go back home leaves her place again to go back home to his parents at around like 2:00 a.m. to his parents at around like 2:00 a.m. to his parents at around like 2:00 a.m. >> Quick question. Were they like together >> Quick question. Were they like together >> Quick question. Were they like together together? Like my husband's not running together? Like my husband's not running together? Like my husband's not running out to fill up my tires at 1:00 in the out to fill up my tires at 1:00 in the out to fill up my tires at 1:00 in the morning. morning. morning. >> I They say no. Like Ashley was actually >> I They say no. Like Ashley was actually >> I They say no. Like Ashley was actually dating someone else at the time. This dating someone else at the time. This dating someone else at the time. This guy named Curtis Polly who everyone guy named Curtis Polly who everyone guy named Curtis Polly who everyone called Pocket. Get it? I got it. called Pocket. Get it? I got it. called Pocket. Get it? I got it. But um Ashley being tied up with someone But um Ashley being tied up with someone But um Ashley being tied up with someone else or not. I think the thing that's else or not. I think the thing that's else or not. I think the thing that's important here is that Britney's mom, important here is that Britney's mom, important here is that Britney's mom, Jessica, told us she believes there is Jessica, told us she believes there is Jessica, told us she believes there is no way that Britney would have been cool no way that Britney would have been cool no way that Britney would have been cool with how close they seemingly were. And with how close they seemingly were. And with how close they seemingly were. And Ashley herself tells detectives that she Ashley herself tells detectives that she Ashley herself tells detectives that she thought Britney wanted to work things thought Britney wanted to work things thought Britney wanted to work things out with Eric, even though she was out with Eric, even though she was out with Eric, even though she was seeing Sheldon. But what Ashley is seeing Sheldon. But what Ashley is seeing Sheldon. But what Ashley is saying doesn't exactly pass the sniff saying doesn't exactly pass the sniff saying doesn't exactly pass the sniff test. And I'll give you an example. I'm test. And I'll give you an example. I'm test. And I'll give you an example. I'm sorry. him staying over at her house sorry. him staying over at her house sorry. him staying over at her house late night isn't the example.

late night isn't the example. late night isn't the example. >> Well, that could have been anything, >> Well, that could have been anything, >> Well, that could have been anything, Brit, you know, Brit, you know, Brit, you know, >> but honestly, truly, it maybe it was >> but honestly, truly, it maybe it was >> but honestly, truly, it maybe it was about like the drugs. Maybe he crashed about like the drugs. Maybe he crashed about like the drugs. Maybe he crashed there. Also, it sounds like he's up and there. Also, it sounds like he's up and there. Also, it sounds like he's up and out and about at like 1:00 in the out and about at like 1:00 in the out and about at like 1:00 in the morning. Like maybe no one's crashing morning. Like maybe no one's crashing morning. Like maybe no one's crashing and they're just like hanging out. It's and they're just like hanging out. It's and they're just like hanging out. It's hard to prove anything with that. But hard to prove anything with that. But hard to prove anything with that. But this next thing, especially the timing, this next thing, especially the timing, this next thing, especially the timing, is a little bit harder to argue with. is a little bit harder to argue with. is a little bit harder to argue with. It's body cam footage from a traffic It's body cam footage from a traffic It's body cam footage from a traffic stop in Three Rivers, Michigan, stop in Three Rivers, Michigan, stop in Three Rivers, Michigan, involving Eric from December 23rd, 2018. involving Eric from December 23rd, 2018. involving Eric from December 23rd, 2018. So, we're talking like three weeks after So, we're talking like three weeks after So, we're talking like three weeks after Britney went missing. Britney went missing. Britney went missing. >> Is it your your car, Eric? >> Is it your your car, Eric? >> Is it your your car, Eric? >> No, it's not. >> No, it's not. >> No, it's not. >> No, we just borrowed it for a friend of >> No, we just borrowed it for a friend of >> No, we just borrowed it for a friend of his. his. his. >> You what? >> You what? >> You what? >> I borrowed it from uh >> I borrowed it from uh >> I borrowed it from uh >> my girlfriend. We've been out in the damn woods all We've been out in the damn woods all day. day. day. What are you guys doing out in the What are you guys doing out in the What are you guys doing out in the woods? woods? woods? >> Looking for my wife. >> Looking for my wife. >> Looking for my wife. >> She missing? >> She missing? >> She missing? >> Yeah, she's been Wallace. She's been >> Yeah, she's been Wallace. She's been >> Yeah, she's been Wallace. She's been missing since November 30th. missing since November 30th. missing since November 30th. >> Brit, do you want to guess who he says >> Brit, do you want to guess who he says >> Brit, do you want to guess who he says his girlfriend is?

his girlfriend is? his girlfriend is? >> All right. So, I'm following this black >> All right. So, I'm following this black >> All right. So, I'm following this black Ford SUV with a plate out of stir just Ford SUV with a plate out of stir just Ford SUV with a plate out of stir just registered to Ashley Hulie showing no registered to Ashley Hulie showing no registered to Ashley Hulie showing no insurance and it's cutting through the insurance and it's cutting through the insurance and it's cutting through the First W neighborhood using side streets. First W neighborhood using side streets. First W neighborhood using side streets. So, I make a traffic stop on it because So, I make a traffic stop on it because So, I make a traffic stop on it because it's not insured. It's Eric Shank it's not insured. It's Eric Shank it's not insured. It's Eric Shank driving. Uh he's on a restricted license driving. Uh he's on a restricted license driving. Uh he's on a restricted license and John Fox Jr.'s in the passenger and John Fox Jr.'s in the passenger and John Fox Jr.'s in the passenger seat. seat. seat. >> Now, Ashley's relationship with Eric is >> Now, Ashley's relationship with Eric is >> Now, Ashley's relationship with Eric is one of the things that we asked her one of the things that we asked her one of the things that we asked her about. And she did admit to us that about. And she did admit to us that about. And she did admit to us that after Britney vanished, she and Eric after Britney vanished, she and Eric after Britney vanished, she and Eric spent a lot of time together because spent a lot of time together because spent a lot of time together because they were both caught up in the search. they were both caught up in the search. they were both caught up in the search. They were using drugs. They were dealing They were using drugs. They were dealing They were using drugs. They were dealing with intense emotions. And Ashley with intense emotions. And Ashley with intense emotions. And Ashley acknowledges that their relationship did acknowledges that their relationship did acknowledges that their relationship did eventually become intimate, but she eventually become intimate, but she eventually become intimate, but she maintains that happened only after maintains that happened only after maintains that happened only after Britney's disappearance. She says it was Britney's disappearance. She says it was Britney's disappearance. She says it was not during the time of this traffic stop not during the time of this traffic stop not during the time of this traffic stop when he is calling her his girlfriend or when he is calling her his girlfriend or when he is calling her his girlfriend or even before. So anyways, back to this even before. So anyways, back to this even before. So anyways, back to this stop cuz there is more here. The stop cuz there is more here. The stop cuz there is more here. The officers like are searching the car as officers like are searching the car as officers like are searching the car as part of this and it sounds like they're part of this and it sounds like they're part of this and it sounds like they're like concerned about drugs. But when like concerned about drugs. But when like concerned about drugs. But when they ask John Fox Jr. or JJ as he's they ask John Fox Jr. or JJ as he's they ask John Fox Jr. or JJ as he's known, if he's got anything on him. He known, if he's got anything on him. He known, if he's got anything on him. He explains that he's got a notepad in his explains that he's got a notepad in his explains that he's got a notepad in his pocket full of names because he's trying pocket full of names because he's trying pocket full of names because he's trying to figure out what he described as some to figure out what he described as some to figure out what he described as some sex trafficking thing that's been going sex trafficking thing that's been going sex trafficking thing that's been going on. And I can't be 100% sure, but I on. And I can't be 100% sure, but I on. And I can't be 100% sure, but I think he's insinuating that this sex think he's insinuating that this sex think he's insinuating that this sex trafficking thing has something to do trafficking thing has something to do trafficking thing has something to do with their search for Britney. Maybe with their search for Britney. Maybe with their search for Britney. Maybe even like why they've been out in the

even like why they've been out in the even like why they've been out in the woods all day. But weirdly, these woods all day. But weirdly, these woods all day. But weirdly, these officers like don't press. I mean, you officers like don't press. I mean, you officers like don't press. I mean, you can definitely sense that they're like can definitely sense that they're like can definitely sense that they're like skeptical about why they're really out skeptical about why they're really out skeptical about why they're really out there. there. there. >> But remember, Brit's missing person case >> But remember, Brit's missing person case >> But remember, Brit's missing person case isn't theirs. Like, this is Three isn't theirs. Like, this is Three isn't theirs. Like, this is Three Rivers. She went missing in St. Joseph Rivers. She went missing in St. Joseph Rivers. She went missing in St. Joseph County. County. County. >> So, they have no reason to connect these >> So, they have no reason to connect these >> So, they have no reason to connect these dots. dots. dots. >> Exactly. Now, when Ashley shows up to >> Exactly. Now, when Ashley shows up to >> Exactly. Now, when Ashley shows up to the scene, cuz she had been called, it's the scene, cuz she had been called, it's the scene, cuz she had been called, it's her vehicle that they're in. her vehicle that they're in. her vehicle that they're in. >> And when she's asked by an officer, she >> And when she's asked by an officer, she >> And when she's asked by an officer, she does in that moment deny that she is does in that moment deny that she is does in that moment deny that she is Eric's girlfriend, saying that he's like Eric's girlfriend, saying that he's like Eric's girlfriend, saying that he's like just a friend. But she's clearly upset just a friend. But she's clearly upset just a friend. But she's clearly upset that her car is going to get impounded. that her car is going to get impounded. that her car is going to get impounded. She says like she can't afford it, that She says like she can't afford it, that She says like she can't afford it, that she has already been through a lot. And she has already been through a lot. And she has already been through a lot. And then the situation just kind of like then the situation just kind of like then the situation just kind of like escalates from there fast. They say escalates from there fast. They say escalates from there fast. They say she's not cooperating and she ends up in she's not cooperating and she ends up in she's not cooperating and she ends up in handcuffs. And then she claims officers handcuffs. And then she claims officers handcuffs. And then she claims officers hit her head on the car while arresting hit her head on the car while arresting hit her head on the car while arresting her. JJ and Eric, on the other hand, her. JJ and Eric, on the other hand, her. JJ and Eric, on the other hand, appear to be staying like cool as appear to be staying like cool as appear to be staying like cool as cucumbers. And even though officers find cucumbers. And even though officers find cucumbers. And even though officers find needles, needle caps, and a billy club needles, needle caps, and a billy club needles, needle caps, and a billy club type impact weapon, type impact weapon, type impact weapon, >> a what?

>> a what? >> a what? >> Like, you know, one of those like um >> Like, you know, one of those like um >> Like, you know, one of those like um it's like a heavy like duty nightstick it's like a heavy like duty nightstick it's like a heavy like duty nightstick kind of thing. Like a police like a kind of thing. Like a police like a kind of thing. Like a police like a police baton. Still, they decide to give police baton. Still, they decide to give police baton. Still, they decide to give these guys a break because it's the day these guys a break because it's the day these guys a break because it's the day before Christmas Eve. before Christmas Eve. before Christmas Eve. >> Happy holidays, folks. So, all things >> Happy holidays, folks. So, all things >> Happy holidays, folks. So, all things considered, Eric and JJ seemingly like considered, Eric and JJ seemingly like considered, Eric and JJ seemingly like make it out of this traffic stop pretty make it out of this traffic stop pretty make it out of this traffic stop pretty much unscathed. But here's like another much unscathed. But here's like another much unscathed. But here's like another reason why I think this stop is so reason why I think this stop is so reason why I think this stop is so important. And it has to do with JJ, the important. And it has to do with JJ, the important. And it has to do with JJ, the passenger in the car. So, remember in passenger in the car. So, remember in passenger in the car. So, remember in our timeline of November 30th, after our timeline of November 30th, after our timeline of November 30th, after Britt leaves the house in Sheldon's car, Britt leaves the house in Sheldon's car, Britt leaves the house in Sheldon's car, Sheldon said that she had called him up Sheldon said that she had called him up Sheldon said that she had called him up complaining that there wasn't enough complaining that there wasn't enough complaining that there wasn't enough gas. She was going to have to like stop, gas. She was going to have to like stop, gas. She was going to have to like stop, fill it up, whatever. Mhm. fill it up, whatever. Mhm. fill it up, whatever. Mhm. >> So, if Britt did end up stopping for gas >> So, if Britt did end up stopping for gas >> So, if Britt did end up stopping for gas that night, that would make sense. Well, that night, that would make sense. Well, that night, that would make sense. Well, what if I told you there is reason to what if I told you there is reason to what if I told you there is reason to believe Ashley had the receipt from the believe Ashley had the receipt from the believe Ashley had the receipt from the transaction in her possession at some transaction in her possession at some transaction in her possession at some point? point? point? >> Ashley, who's saying she didn't see >> Ashley, who's saying she didn't see >> Ashley, who's saying she didn't see Britney at all that particular day?

Britney at all that particular day? Britney at all that particular day? >> That's the one. >> That's the one. >> That's the one. >> Cool. So, this receipt is for 20 bucks >> Cool. So, this receipt is for 20 bucks >> Cool. So, this receipt is for 20 bucks worth of gas at the Marathon Station on worth of gas at the Marathon Station on worth of gas at the Marathon Station on Fawn River Road. It is timestamped for Fawn River Road. It is timestamped for Fawn River Road. It is timestamped for 6:11 p.m. on November 30th, and it 6:11 p.m. on November 30th, and it 6:11 p.m. on November 30th, and it appears to have Brit's account appears to have Brit's account appears to have Brit's account information on it, but investigators information on it, but investigators information on it, but investigators don't end up with the physical copy of don't end up with the physical copy of don't end up with the physical copy of the receipt. They end up with photos of the receipt. They end up with photos of the receipt. They end up with photos of the receipt that Ashley had. That's the receipt that Ashley had. That's the receipt that Ashley had. That's somehow almost weirder. somehow almost weirder. somehow almost weirder. >> I know, weirder to me is that she's not >> I know, weirder to me is that she's not >> I know, weirder to me is that she's not even the one who originally brought it even the one who originally brought it even the one who originally brought it to their attention either. Okay, but why to their attention either. Okay, but why to their attention either. Okay, but why does she have them? does she have them? does she have them? >> Okay, so this is all according to a >> Okay, so this is all according to a >> Okay, so this is all according to a later interview that she does with later interview that she does with later interview that she does with detectives. detectives. detectives. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> basically she tells them that her Ford >> basically she tells them that her Ford >> basically she tells them that her Ford Explorer had been stolen sometime near Explorer had been stolen sometime near Explorer had been stolen sometime near the end of January, beginning of the end of January, beginning of the end of January, beginning of February 2019. So this is like to put it February 2019. So this is like to put it February 2019. So this is like to put it in context, like 2 months after Brit in context, like 2 months after Brit in context, like 2 months after Brit went missing. went missing. went missing. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> 2 months after her car is taken, it's >> 2 months after her car is taken, it's >> 2 months after her car is taken, it's finally recovered.

finally recovered. finally recovered. >> Okay. She says that when she got her car >> Okay. She says that when she got her car >> Okay. She says that when she got her car back, there was this garbage bag full of back, there was this garbage bag full of back, there was this garbage bag full of just like random items and trash inside just like random items and trash inside just like random items and trash inside the vehicle. And Ashley said she started the vehicle. And Ashley said she started the vehicle. And Ashley said she started like digging through the bag trying to like digging through the bag trying to like digging through the bag trying to get proof of who took her car to see get proof of who took her car to see get proof of who took her car to see what they've been up to or whatever. And what they've been up to or whatever. And what they've been up to or whatever. And she claims that is where the gas receipt she claims that is where the gas receipt she claims that is where the gas receipt turned up. So, she said she snapped a turned up. So, she said she snapped a turned up. So, she said she snapped a picture of it. And to be fair, she said picture of it. And to be fair, she said picture of it. And to be fair, she said she took photos of a lot of things that she took photos of a lot of things that she took photos of a lot of things that she found in that bag. And she said she she found in that bag. And she said she she found in that bag. And she said she didn't realize the significance of the didn't realize the significance of the didn't realize the significance of the receipt until it had already been thrown receipt until it had already been thrown receipt until it had already been thrown away. away. away. >> But if you didn't think it was >> But if you didn't think it was >> But if you didn't think it was important, then why take a photo of it important, then why take a photo of it important, then why take a photo of it then? then? then? >> I mean, that's literally what Mads asked >> I mean, that's literally what Mads asked >> I mean, that's literally what Mads asked her to. And Ashley said something that I her to. And Ashley said something that I her to. And Ashley said something that I think kind of contradicts what I just think kind of contradicts what I just think kind of contradicts what I just told you from her official statement to told you from her official statement to told you from her official statement to investigators. She tells Mads now that investigators. She tells Mads now that investigators. She tells Mads now that she actually did notice the November she actually did notice the November she actually did notice the November 30th date, the time, like the specific 30th date, the time, like the specific 30th date, the time, like the specific gas station. And she said she had this gas station. And she said she had this gas station. And she said she had this gut feeling that it might be connected gut feeling that it might be connected gut feeling that it might be connected to Brit. Even though at that point in to Brit. Even though at that point in to Brit. Even though at that point in time she said that no one was thinking time she said that no one was thinking time she said that no one was thinking foul play yet. Like it's important if foul play yet. Like it's important if foul play yet. Like it's important if there was foul play that no one's there was foul play that no one's there was foul play that no one's thinking about yet thinking about yet thinking about yet >> there. Yeah. Like what >> there. Yeah. Like what >> there. Yeah. Like what >> cuz she's like at that point they're >> cuz she's like at that point they're >> cuz she's like at that point they're just like trying to when she finds it just like trying to when she finds it just like trying to when she finds it like track down her friend. I don't like track down her friend. I don't like track down her friend. I don't know. But I do know that back when she know. But I do know that back when she know. But I do know that back when she was telling police this, she did believe was telling police this, she did believe was telling police this, she did believe she knew who took her vehicle like and she knew who took her vehicle like and she knew who took her vehicle like and and who had it for like 2 months. And and who had it for like 2 months. And and who had it for like 2 months. And here we're coming back. John Box Jr. JJ.

here we're coming back. John Box Jr. JJ. here we're coming back. John Box Jr. JJ. JJ. She told Madison she's confident it JJ. She told Madison she's confident it JJ. She told Madison she's confident it was JJ because she claims he literally was JJ because she claims he literally was JJ because she claims he literally took off with her keys, left her a note took off with her keys, left her a note took off with her keys, left her a note saying he was borrowing it, and then saying he was borrowing it, and then saying he was borrowing it, and then just like never bothered bringing it just like never bothered bringing it just like never bothered bringing it back. Oh, the thing is she's not back. Oh, the thing is she's not back. Oh, the thing is she's not necessarily saying that like he's the necessarily saying that like he's the necessarily saying that like he's the one who had the receipt initially. She's one who had the receipt initially. She's one who had the receipt initially. She's kind of just like, you know, it could kind of just like, you know, it could kind of just like, you know, it could have easily been like any one of the have easily been like any one of the have easily been like any one of the many people in the circle that he many people in the circle that he many people in the circle that he associated with that he could have like associated with that he could have like associated with that he could have like picked up or been in the vehicle or picked up or been in the vehicle or picked up or been in the vehicle or borrowed the vehicle in like the time borrowed the vehicle in like the time borrowed the vehicle in like the time period that she is saying she did not period that she is saying she did not period that she is saying she did not have it. But here's the thing, the gas have it. But here's the thing, the gas have it. But here's the thing, the gas receipt isn't the only thing connected receipt isn't the only thing connected receipt isn't the only thing connected to Britney that somehow resurfaces after to Britney that somehow resurfaces after to Britney that somehow resurfaces after she disappears. Because remember, she disappears. Because remember, she disappears. Because remember, Britney's phone never recovered from Britney's phone never recovered from Britney's phone never recovered from Sheldon's car or anywhere else. That's Sheldon's car or anywhere else. That's Sheldon's car or anywhere else. That's still not totally found after the crash. still not totally found after the crash. still not totally found after the crash. And this did always strike her family as And this did always strike her family as And this did always strike her family as odd because according to Jessica, odd because according to Jessica, odd because according to Jessica, Britney would have like fought somebody Britney would have like fought somebody Britney would have like fought somebody over that phone. So, for it to be over that phone. So, for it to be over that phone. So, for it to be completely like gone that night with completely like gone that night with completely like gone that night with her, like seemingly untraceable, that's her, like seemingly untraceable, that's her, like seemingly untraceable, that's always been like a big mystery. Like, always been like a big mystery. Like, always been like a big mystery. Like, they're thinking that it has to be with they're thinking that it has to be with they're thinking that it has to be with her, right? Who who is missing? That's her, right? Who who is missing? That's her, right? Who who is missing? That's the only thing that makes sense. But the only thing that makes sense. But the only thing that makes sense. But then this happens. So, Eric Shank showed then this happens. So, Eric Shank showed then this happens. So, Eric Shank showed up to one of the early searches for up to one of the early searches for up to one of the early searches for Britney, dropped off by Ashley, by the Britney, dropped off by Ashley, by the Britney, dropped off by Ashley, by the way, even though Brit's family told us way, even though Brit's family told us way, even though Brit's family told us that like at this point in time, like that like at this point in time, like that like at this point in time, like they did not even know who she was. But they did not even know who she was. But they did not even know who she was. But it is like in this one of like early day it is like in this one of like early day it is like in this one of like early day searches that he claims to have found

searches that he claims to have found searches that he claims to have found part of Brit's phone. part of Brit's phone. part of Brit's phone. >> Part of it. >> Part of it. >> Part of it. >> Part. So according to people close to >> Part. So according to people close to >> Part. So according to people close to the case, what Eric allegedly said he the case, what Eric allegedly said he the case, what Eric allegedly said he found was the back plate from a Samsung found was the back plate from a Samsung found was the back plate from a Samsung phone that resembled the one that phone that resembled the one that phone that resembled the one that Britney had been using before she Britney had been using before she Britney had been using before she disappeared. This Samsung J337P. disappeared. This Samsung J337P. disappeared. This Samsung J337P. And we know that that's reportedly the And we know that that's reportedly the And we know that that's reportedly the same model tied to the selfie that same model tied to the selfie that same model tied to the selfie that Britney took before leaving Sheldon's Britney took before leaving Sheldon's Britney took before leaving Sheldon's that night. It all seems to match up, that night. It all seems to match up, that night. It all seems to match up, but some of Brit's family tell us that but some of Brit's family tell us that but some of Brit's family tell us that they're suspicious of this whole like they're suspicious of this whole like they're suspicious of this whole like finding because according to them, Eric finding because according to them, Eric finding because according to them, Eric was like off searching by himself in a was like off searching by himself in a was like off searching by himself in a field near the crash site when he made field near the crash site when he made field near the crash site when he made this alleged discovery. No one else from this alleged discovery. No one else from this alleged discovery. No one else from the search party was there to witness the search party was there to witness the search party was there to witness it. And what's even weirder, Brit's mom, it. And what's even weirder, Brit's mom, it. And what's even weirder, Brit's mom, Jessica, said that he didn't even like Jessica, said that he didn't even like Jessica, said that he didn't even like run over to the rest of the group and run over to the rest of the group and run over to the rest of the group and tell them like, "I found this clue." tell them like, "I found this clue." tell them like, "I found this clue." Jessica said that he just like left and Jessica said that he just like left and Jessica said that he just like left and she learned about it later. In the case she learned about it later. In the case she learned about it later. In the case file, there is mention of a ZTE, cell file, there is mention of a ZTE, cell file, there is mention of a ZTE, cell phone missing back plate, listed under phone missing back plate, listed under phone missing back plate, listed under the evidence, but there's like no other the evidence, but there's like no other the evidence, but there's like no other details. I don't know if this is the one details. I don't know if this is the one details. I don't know if this is the one that we're talking about. And they don't that we're talking about. And they don't that we're talking about. And they don't give any like notes in the file about give any like notes in the file about give any like notes in the file about like who ended up turning it in, when like who ended up turning it in, when like who ended up turning it in, when that happened, that happened, that happened, >> or if investigators were ever even able >> or if investigators were ever even able >> or if investigators were ever even able to confirm that it was in fact to confirm that it was in fact to confirm that it was in fact Britney's. Still, the family can't help Britney's. Still, the family can't help Britney's. Still, the family can't help but wonder, did Eric genuinely stumble but wonder, did Eric genuinely stumble but wonder, did Eric genuinely stumble across part of Britney's phone while across part of Britney's phone while across part of Britney's phone while searching for her, or did he somehow

searching for her, or did he somehow searching for her, or did he somehow already have it? already have it? already have it? >> Did anyone ever just ask him? >> Did anyone ever just ask him? >> Did anyone ever just ask him? >> Not really. Uh, even though Eric is her >> Not really. Uh, even though Eric is her >> Not really. Uh, even though Eric is her husband, husband, husband, >> even though he is allegedly finding >> even though he is allegedly finding >> even though he is allegedly finding evidence, even though he is tied up in evidence, even though he is tied up in evidence, even though he is tied up in some weird way to Ashley, who seems to some weird way to Ashley, who seems to some weird way to Ashley, who seems to keep finding herself at the center of keep finding herself at the center of keep finding herself at the center of this thing, St. Joseph County this thing, St. Joseph County this thing, St. Joseph County investigators don't seem to question investigators don't seem to question investigators don't seem to question Eric at all until more than 6 months Eric at all until more than 6 months Eric at all until more than 6 months after Britney went missing. And even after Britney went missing. And even after Britney went missing. And even that appears to have been this like that appears to have been this like that appears to have been this like super short interaction from what I can super short interaction from what I can super short interaction from what I can tell. During that little chat, Eric even tell. During that little chat, Eric even tell. During that little chat, Eric even admitted he hadn't spoken directly with admitted he hadn't spoken directly with admitted he hadn't spoken directly with any law enforcement about Brit's case any law enforcement about Brit's case any law enforcement about Brit's case before, and he had only passed before, and he had only passed before, and he had only passed information through guess who, Ashley. information through guess who, Ashley. information through guess who, Ashley. And it wouldn't be until nearly five And it wouldn't be until nearly five And it wouldn't be until nearly five freaking years later that they would freaking years later that they would freaking years later that they would actually sit him down for a 45minute actually sit him down for a 45minute actually sit him down for a 45minute formal recorded interview. formal recorded interview. formal recorded interview. >> How is this even remotely acceptable for >> How is this even remotely acceptable for >> How is this even remotely acceptable for an investigation? You tell me. As an investigation? You tell me. As an investigation? You tell me. As someone from the Michigan area, it is someone from the Michigan area, it is someone from the Michigan area, it is embarrassing.

embarrassing. embarrassing. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Now, while the St. Joseph County >> Now, while the St. Joseph County >> Now, while the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office did provide us with the Sheriff's Office did provide us with the Sheriff's Office did provide us with the records, they never got back to us records, they never got back to us records, they never got back to us regarding our request for an interview. regarding our request for an interview. regarding our request for an interview. But you know what is so bizarre about But you know what is so bizarre about But you know what is so bizarre about all of this Eric and Ashley stuff? all of this Eric and Ashley stuff? all of this Eric and Ashley stuff? >> I mean, I could go on, but you're going >> I mean, I could go on, but you're going >> I mean, I could go on, but you're going to tell me something new. Whether it was to tell me something new. Whether it was to tell me something new. Whether it was only with like the pure intentions like only with like the pure intentions like only with like the pure intentions like that Ashley describes, there is no that Ashley describes, there is no that Ashley describes, there is no doubting that Ashley puts herself at the doubting that Ashley puts herself at the doubting that Ashley puts herself at the heart of this case. She is definitely heart of this case. She is definitely heart of this case. She is definitely cooperating with investigators, cooperating with investigators, cooperating with investigators, providing them with theories and leads providing them with theories and leads providing them with theories and leads to chase down people she thinks should to chase down people she thinks should to chase down people she thinks should be looked at as a suspect. But for some be looked at as a suspect. But for some be looked at as a suspect. But for some reason, at least in the files we have, reason, at least in the files we have, reason, at least in the files we have, in all of the talking and fingerpointing in all of the talking and fingerpointing in all of the talking and fingerpointing she's doing, she never seems to suggest she's doing, she never seems to suggest she's doing, she never seems to suggest that they look at Eric. that they look at Eric. that they look at Eric. Instead, she really focuses her Instead, she really focuses her Instead, she really focuses her attention on someone else close to attention on someone else close to attention on someone else close to Britney. Not Eric, not JJ, the one who Britney. Not Eric, not JJ, the one who Britney. Not Eric, not JJ, the one who supposedly had this like freaking supposedly had this like freaking supposedly had this like freaking receipt or like some kind of connection receipt or like some kind of connection receipt or like some kind of connection to someone who had the receipt or to someone who had the receipt or to someone who had the receipt or whatever. No, she turns the tables on whatever. No, she turns the tables on whatever. No, she turns the tables on Britney's own mom, Jessica Ralph. Now, Britney's own mom, Jessica Ralph. Now, Britney's own mom, Jessica Ralph. Now, to be fair, we know that Jessica is to be fair, we know that Jessica is to be fair, we know that Jessica is suspicious of Ashley, too. So, they're suspicious of Ashley, too. So, they're suspicious of Ashley, too. So, they're both pointing the finger at each other.

both pointing the finger at each other. both pointing the finger at each other. And the accusations against Jessica kind And the accusations against Jessica kind And the accusations against Jessica kind of stick for at least a brief moment in of stick for at least a brief moment in of stick for at least a brief moment in time. And that's because of some time. And that's because of some time. And that's because of some disturbing voice memos between mother disturbing voice memos between mother disturbing voice memos between mother and daughter that end up getting leaked. Ashley Hulie believes Britney's mom, Ashley Hulie believes Britney's mom, Jessica Rolf, at the very least knows Jessica Rolf, at the very least knows Jessica Rolf, at the very least knows more than she's saying about what more than she's saying about what more than she's saying about what happened to Britney. Because according happened to Britney. Because according happened to Britney. Because according to the case file, there was speculation to the case file, there was speculation to the case file, there was speculation that Brit's disappearance was somehow that Brit's disappearance was somehow that Brit's disappearance was somehow linked to retaliation of some sort. like linked to retaliation of some sort. like linked to retaliation of some sort. like maybe Jessica owed some dangerous people maybe Jessica owed some dangerous people maybe Jessica owed some dangerous people money or there were like stolen drugs or money or there were like stolen drugs or money or there were like stolen drugs or something of like of the sort there. something of like of the sort there. something of like of the sort there. Now, to be very clear, investigators Now, to be very clear, investigators Now, to be very clear, investigators never publicly substantiated any of never publicly substantiated any of never publicly substantiated any of those claims against Jessica. But this those claims against Jessica. But this those claims against Jessica. But this is where the case really starts is where the case really starts is where the case really starts spiraling because even by Jessica's own spiraling because even by Jessica's own spiraling because even by Jessica's own account, she and Britney did have a account, she and Britney did have a account, she and Britney did have a complicated relationship. They fought complicated relationship. They fought complicated relationship. They fought about drug use. They fought about the about drug use. They fought about the about drug use. They fought about the custody of Britney's children. And custody of Britney's children. And custody of Britney's children. And Jessica admits that she and Britney had Jessica admits that she and Britney had Jessica admits that she and Britney had even fought over men. They had been even fought over men. They had been even fought over men. They had been involved with two of the same guys over involved with two of the same guys over involved with two of the same guys over the years, although apparently like at the years, although apparently like at the years, although apparently like at different times. You can imagine this different times. You can imagine this different times. You can imagine this left a lot of room for rumors to run left a lot of room for rumors to run left a lot of room for rumors to run rampant, especially considering Jessica rampant, especially considering Jessica rampant, especially considering Jessica herself was wrapped up in the local drug herself was wrapped up in the local drug herself was wrapped up in the local drug scene and struggling with substance use scene and struggling with substance use scene and struggling with substance use back then. So, none of it looked good.

back then. So, none of it looked good. back then. So, none of it looked good. But after several years of what seems But after several years of what seems But after several years of what seems like back and forth fingerpointing, like back and forth fingerpointing, like back and forth fingerpointing, this video gets blasted online that this video gets blasted online that this video gets blasted online that plays horribly for Jessica. It's a plays horribly for Jessica. It's a plays horribly for Jessica. It's a recording of one of their motherdaughter recording of one of their motherdaughter recording of one of their motherdaughter arguments from not too long before Britt arguments from not too long before Britt arguments from not too long before Britt went missing. And I'm going be honest, went missing. And I'm going be honest, went missing. And I'm going be honest, it is hard to hear, but because it is it is hard to hear, but because it is it is hard to hear, but because it is already out there and it has become part already out there and it has become part already out there and it has become part of the narrative surrounding this case, of the narrative surrounding this case, of the narrative surrounding this case, I felt like it was important to I felt like it was important to I felt like it was important to acknowledge and to play for you, to play acknowledge and to play for you, to play acknowledge and to play for you, to play for everyone listening, but it has been for everyone listening, but it has been for everyone listening, but it has been edited down slightly for time sake. This edited down slightly for time sake. This edited down slightly for time sake. This is from about a month before Brit went is from about a month before Brit went is from about a month before Brit went missing. And these voice memos seem to missing. And these voice memos seem to missing. And these voice memos seem to center around a man named Daniel, who center around a man named Daniel, who center around a man named Daniel, who Britney had dated and then Jessica had Britney had dated and then Jessica had Britney had dated and then Jessica had had a thing with. Now, Daniel seemed to had a thing with. Now, Daniel seemed to had a thing with. Now, Daniel seemed to be stoking the fire around like be stoking the fire around like be stoking the fire around like Britney's custody of her children. She Britney's custody of her children. She Britney's custody of her children. She had recently given up custody, and her had recently given up custody, and her had recently given up custody, and her mom was furious. mom was furious. mom was furious. First off, you destroyed yourself. You First off, you destroyed yourself. You First off, you destroyed yourself. You are a toxic waste to everything and are a toxic waste to everything and are a toxic waste to everything and everybody you touch.

everybody you touch. everybody you touch. Secondly, no, I'm not going to threaten Secondly, no, I'm not going to threaten Secondly, no, I'm not going to threaten you about jail. I'm not going to you about jail. I'm not going to you about jail. I'm not going to threaten you about Daniel. I am kind of threaten you about Daniel. I am kind of threaten you about Daniel. I am kind of throwing you about Daniel, but um throwing you about Daniel, but um throwing you about Daniel, but um you you you need to shut your big ass mouth. Don't need to shut your big ass mouth. Don't need to shut your big ass mouth. Don't be making phone calls. Don't be sending be making phone calls. Don't be sending be making phone calls. Don't be sending people to to sending messages like you people to to sending messages like you people to to sending messages like you are full of [ __ ] and everybody knows it. are full of [ __ ] and everybody knows it. are full of [ __ ] and everybody knows it. You're sick in the head. There's You're sick in the head. There's You're sick in the head. There's something wrong with you. Seek help. something wrong with you. Seek help. something wrong with you. Seek help. That's what you need to do That's what you need to do That's what you need to do immediately. immediately. immediately. You with people's lives. You tormented You with people's lives. You tormented You with people's lives. You tormented mine. You torment your dads. You torment mine. You torment your dads. You torment mine. You torment your dads. You torment everybody's. You torment Daniel. You everybody's. You torment Daniel. You everybody's. You torment Daniel. You torment your children. torment your children. torment your children. You You suck, dude. You You suck. You You You suck, dude. You You suck. You You You suck, dude. You You suck. You suck the life right out of people. suck the life right out of people. suck the life right out of people. Nobody likes you. We do not want to talk Nobody likes you. We do not want to talk Nobody likes you. We do not want to talk to you. We do not want to hear from you. to you. We do not want to hear from you. to you. We do not want to hear from you. >> Yep. And you're blocked again. And no, >> Yep. And you're blocked again. And no, >> Yep. And you're blocked again. And no, actually, I'm doing great. Thank you.

actually, I'm doing great. Thank you. actually, I'm doing great. Thank you. But you have a good one But you have a good one But you have a good one and don't contact me anymore. and don't contact me anymore. and don't contact me anymore. You're not my mom. Like you mean nothing You're not my mom. Like you mean nothing You're not my mom. Like you mean nothing to me. And as far as Daniel, that was my to me. And as far as Daniel, that was my to me. And as far as Daniel, that was my closure. I don't really give a closure. I don't really give a closure. I don't really give a um um um other than that, I don't have anything other than that, I don't have anything other than that, I don't have anything to say. So have a nice life. Stop to say. So have a nice life. Stop to say. So have a nice life. Stop contacting me. And no, I get to see my contacting me. And no, I get to see my contacting me. And no, I get to see my kids on a regular basis. All of them. kids on a regular basis. All of them. kids on a regular basis. All of them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, stop texting him, stop calling him, So, stop texting him, stop calling him, So, stop texting him, stop calling him, stop emailing him, stop everything, stop stop emailing him, stop everything, stop stop emailing him, stop everything, stop having people contact him or I am going having people contact him or I am going having people contact him or I am going to let everybody know where little Miss to let everybody know where little Miss to let everybody know where little Miss Britney is at. Britney is at. Britney is at. And I'm going to ruin your life. Stay And I'm going to ruin your life. Stay And I'm going to ruin your life. Stay the away from everybody. I was just granted visitation with my I was just granted visitation with my boys, so it doesn't really matter. where boys, so it doesn't really matter. where boys, so it doesn't really matter. where you do you and I'll do me and you can you do you and I'll do me and you can you do you and I'll do me and you can live your dope style life with Daniel live your dope style life with Daniel live your dope style life with Daniel and and and let him keep ruining your life, too.

let him keep ruining your life, too. let him keep ruining your life, too. He's a piece of [ __ ] I don't give a He's a piece of [ __ ] I don't give a He's a piece of [ __ ] I don't give a about him. And I moved back out of state, so it And I moved back out of state, so it doesn't really matter. doesn't really matter. doesn't really matter. And yep, that's why my dad talks to me And yep, that's why my dad talks to me And yep, that's why my dad talks to me on a regular basis now, too. Huh. on a regular basis now, too. Huh. on a regular basis now, too. Huh. And as far as Daniel goes, I'm with And as far as Daniel goes, I'm with And as far as Daniel goes, I'm with somebody, so I don't really give a [ __ ] somebody, so I don't really give a [ __ ] somebody, so I don't really give a [ __ ] Like I said, that was just my closure. I Like I said, that was just my closure. I Like I said, that was just my closure. I could care less about him. could care less about him. could care less about him. Those are tough. I'm telling you, Those are tough. I'm telling you, Those are tough. I'm telling you, >> tough to listen to. And what I'll say is >> tough to listen to. And what I'll say is >> tough to listen to. And what I'll say is this. Jessica told us that she is not this. Jessica told us that she is not this. Jessica told us that she is not proud of what she said. She seemed to proud of what she said. She seemed to proud of what she said. She seemed to own it, though. These voice memos haunt own it, though. These voice memos haunt own it, though. These voice memos haunt her. They are played over and over her. They are played over and over her. They are played over and over again. sometimes when she least is again. sometimes when she least is again. sometimes when she least is expecting it. One of her lowest moments expecting it. One of her lowest moments expecting it. One of her lowest moments on repeat. But she says it's taught her on repeat. But she says it's taught her on repeat. But she says it's taught her to be more careful about what she says to be more careful about what she says to be more careful about what she says out of anger because you never know what out of anger because you never know what out of anger because you never know what your last words to someone might be. And your last words to someone might be. And your last words to someone might be. And those being hers to Brit is something those being hers to Brit is something those being hers to Brit is something that she has to live with now. But she that she has to live with now. But she that she has to live with now. But she is adamant that no matter how ugly those is adamant that no matter how ugly those is adamant that no matter how ugly those recordings sound, Britney did not recordings sound, Britney did not recordings sound, Britney did not deserve what happened to her. She never deserve what happened to her. She never deserve what happened to her. She never wanted any harm to come to her daughter.

wanted any harm to come to her daughter. wanted any harm to come to her daughter. and she firmly believes that Ashley put and she firmly believes that Ashley put and she firmly believes that Ashley put those out just to make her look bad and those out just to make her look bad and those out just to make her look bad and to divert suspicion away from her and to divert suspicion away from her and to divert suspicion away from her and Eric. And Ashley admitted to us, yes, Eric. And Ashley admitted to us, yes, Eric. And Ashley admitted to us, yes, she was the one who originally got she was the one who originally got she was the one who originally got access to that video, but she says the access to that video, but she says the access to that video, but she says the story is a bit more complicated than story is a bit more complicated than story is a bit more complicated than that because she claims at one point she that because she claims at one point she that because she claims at one point she was helping Jessica get into an old was helping Jessica get into an old was helping Jessica get into an old Facebook account while they were still Facebook account while they were still Facebook account while they were still on good terms. But like long story on good terms. But like long story on good terms. But like long story short, that changes. They're no longer short, that changes. They're no longer short, that changes. They're no longer cool. And then she finds these voice cool. And then she finds these voice cool. And then she finds these voice memos between Britt and Jessica on memos between Britt and Jessica on memos between Britt and Jessica on Jessica's account. So while she says Jessica's account. So while she says Jessica's account. So while she says she's the one who discovered them, she she's the one who discovered them, she she's the one who discovered them, she also is saying she's not the one also is saying she's not the one also is saying she's not the one responsible for actually circulating responsible for actually circulating responsible for actually circulating them online. She said that she only them online. She said that she only them online. She said that she only shared it with some of Brit's other shared it with some of Brit's other shared it with some of Brit's other family members, like people she thought family members, like people she thought family members, like people she thought needed to know. And like that's how it needed to know. And like that's how it needed to know. And like that's how it got blasted out. Now, when all of this got blasted out. Now, when all of this got blasted out. Now, when all of this is said and done, there is nothing that is said and done, there is nothing that is said and done, there is nothing that I've come across that seems to put I've come across that seems to put I've come across that seems to put Jessica with her daughter the night that Jessica with her daughter the night that Jessica with her daughter the night that she went missing or anywhere near Fawn she went missing or anywhere near Fawn she went missing or anywhere near Fawn River Road. You mean like a gas receipt River Road. You mean like a gas receipt River Road. You mean like a gas receipt like that? I get that where there's like that? I get that where there's like that? I get that where there's smoke there's usually fire, but what I smoke there's usually fire, but what I smoke there's usually fire, but what I am really struggling to find here is the am really struggling to find here is the am really struggling to find here is the why. Like, let's say Ashley and Eric, at why. Like, let's say Ashley and Eric, at why. Like, let's say Ashley and Eric, at least at a minimum, know a little bit least at a minimum, know a little bit least at a minimum, know a little bit more than what they're saying. What do more than what they're saying. What do more than what they're saying. What do they know?

they know? they know? Why did she go missing? Because I've Why did she go missing? Because I've Why did she go missing? Because I've been out there. I've been in stress. been out there. I've been in stress. been out there. I've been in stress. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I I really struggled to believe that >> I I really struggled to believe that >> I I really struggled to believe that this is a random person who could have this is a random person who could have this is a random person who could have picked her up. Like, where does this picked her up. Like, where does this picked her up. Like, where does this mystery man come in in all of this? mystery man come in in all of this? mystery man come in in all of this? >> Well, it is possible that mystery man >> Well, it is possible that mystery man >> Well, it is possible that mystery man isn't that much of a mystery at all isn't that much of a mystery at all isn't that much of a mystery at all because because because >> wait, did anyone look at at Daniel? >> wait, did anyone look at at Daniel? >> wait, did anyone look at at Daniel? >> Oh, they definitely looked at Daniel >> Oh, they definitely looked at Daniel >> Oh, they definitely looked at Daniel like obviously due to all the drama like like obviously due to all the drama like like obviously due to all the drama like and stuff. and stuff. and stuff. >> Um, not Daniel. He like apparently was >> Um, not Daniel. He like apparently was >> Um, not Daniel. He like apparently was living at the Florida at the time though living at the Florida at the time though living at the Florida at the time though I there was like some back and forth I there was like some back and forth I there was like some back and forth questions like was he wasn't he? I don't questions like was he wasn't he? I don't questions like was he wasn't he? I don't know. I don't think it matters because know. I don't think it matters because know. I don't think it matters because he is like ultra tatted like even on his he is like ultra tatted like even on his he is like ultra tatted like even on his face so like face so like face so like >> identifiable. >> identifiable. >> identifiable. >> Yeah. But anyways, not Daniel but still >> Yeah. But anyways, not Daniel but still >> Yeah. But anyways, not Daniel but still might be someone she already knows. Like might be someone she already knows. Like might be someone she already knows. Like don't get me wrong, mystery man has don't get me wrong, mystery man has don't get me wrong, mystery man has still never conclusively been still never conclusively been still never conclusively been identified. But here is the thing about identified. But here is the thing about identified. But here is the thing about the sketches that were done of Mystery the sketches that were done of Mystery the sketches that were done of Mystery Guy. So the first one, the one that I Guy. So the first one, the one that I Guy. So the first one, the one that I showed you already, that one was done by showed you already, that one was done by showed you already, that one was done by like Grandma's description in 2019, a like Grandma's description in 2019, a like Grandma's description in 2019, a couple of months after like the couple of months after like the couple of months after like the incident. That's the guy with like the incident. That's the guy with like the incident. That's the guy with like the long skinny face, the sideburns.

long skinny face, the sideburns. long skinny face, the sideburns. >> That one didn't really get circulated >> That one didn't really get circulated >> That one didn't really get circulated publicly. Like for some reason, publicly. Like for some reason, publicly. Like for some reason, investigators only seem to show it to investigators only seem to show it to investigators only seem to show it to some people they talked to asking who it some people they talked to asking who it some people they talked to asking who it like looked like to them. Britney's dad, like looked like to them. Britney's dad, like looked like to them. Britney's dad, Greg, who is Grandma Vickiy's son, told Greg, who is Grandma Vickiy's son, told Greg, who is Grandma Vickiy's son, told us that he was told detectives never us that he was told detectives never us that he was told detectives never really completely trusted that sketch, really completely trusted that sketch, really completely trusted that sketch, which he's like, "Look, I kind of get which he's like, "Look, I kind of get which he's like, "Look, I kind of get it." Like, right? Remember, their it." Like, right? Remember, their it." Like, right? Remember, their interaction was super brief. Like, interaction was super brief. Like, interaction was super brief. Like, people were in and out of that house all people were in and out of that house all people were in and out of that house all the time. Perhaps that one was wrong. the time. Perhaps that one was wrong. the time. Perhaps that one was wrong. But for some unknown reason, detectives But for some unknown reason, detectives But for some unknown reason, detectives thought that they could get something thought that they could get something thought that they could get something better, even if it was like way down the better, even if it was like way down the better, even if it was like way down the line. So, in 2023, they get like a whole line. So, in 2023, they get like a whole line. So, in 2023, they get like a whole news sketch from Britney's cousin, who news sketch from Britney's cousin, who news sketch from Britney's cousin, who was apparently around when Brit and this was apparently around when Brit and this was apparently around when Brit and this mystery guy were there. mystery guy were there. mystery guy were there. >> How was something done 5 years later, >> How was something done 5 years later, >> How was something done 5 years later, more accurate than grandma a couple more accurate than grandma a couple more accurate than grandma a couple months out? months out? months out? >> The only thing that like I can make make >> The only thing that like I can make make >> The only thing that like I can make make sense for myself is like the person, sense for myself is like the person, sense for myself is like the person, this cousin who gives this, they were a this cousin who gives this, they were a this cousin who gives this, they were a teenager. So, like total shot in the teenager. So, like total shot in the teenager. So, like total shot in the dark. Maybe they hadn't been like dark. Maybe they hadn't been like dark. Maybe they hadn't been like drinking like other people in the house drinking like other people in the house drinking like other people in the house or like were intoxicated in some way or like were intoxicated in some way or like were intoxicated in some way like more like clear-minded.

like more like clear-minded. like more like clear-minded. >> Either way, somehow police feel >> Either way, somehow police feel >> Either way, somehow police feel confident in this second one. Now, I'm confident in this second one. Now, I'm confident in this second one. Now, I'm going to still post both just in case going to still post both just in case going to still post both just in case like they're not wildly different in my like they're not wildly different in my like they're not wildly different in my opinion. And all of that to say between opinion. And all of that to say between opinion. And all of that to say between the two, first, second, whatever. Some the two, first, second, whatever. Some the two, first, second, whatever. Some people thought that the general people thought that the general people thought that the general description of this mystery man maybe description of this mystery man maybe description of this mystery man maybe kind of sort of fit Sheldon. We know kind of sort of fit Sheldon. We know kind of sort of fit Sheldon. We know that, right? Despite the family knowing that, right? Despite the family knowing that, right? Despite the family knowing him. But some people have also wondered him. But some people have also wondered him. But some people have also wondered whether Eric could have been the mystery whether Eric could have been the mystery whether Eric could have been the mystery man at grandma's house. How would they man at grandma's house. How would they man at grandma's house. How would they know Sheldon but not Eric, though? On know Sheldon but not Eric, though? On know Sheldon but not Eric, though? On paper, I know that sounds like paper, I know that sounds like paper, I know that sounds like ridiculous, but according to people ridiculous, but according to people ridiculous, but according to people close to the family, most of the family close to the family, most of the family close to the family, most of the family hadn't seen Eric in a long time. Like, hadn't seen Eric in a long time. Like, hadn't seen Eric in a long time. Like, him and Britt are separated. They're not him and Britt are separated. They're not him and Britt are separated. They're not living together. And in that time, I living together. And in that time, I living together. And in that time, I guess his appearance had apparently guess his appearance had apparently guess his appearance had apparently changed drastically, likely due to his changed drastically, likely due to his changed drastically, likely due to his drug use. So Brit, that body cam footage drug use. So Brit, that body cam footage drug use. So Brit, that body cam footage of the traffic stop that we got earlier, of the traffic stop that we got earlier, of the traffic stop that we got earlier, that actually may be one of the most that actually may be one of the most that actually may be one of the most accurate views we have of Eric circa the accurate views we have of Eric circa the accurate views we have of Eric circa the time Britney like vanished cuz that's time Britney like vanished cuz that's time Britney like vanished cuz that's from December 2018, remember?

from December 2018, remember? from December 2018, remember? >> And like there's something like I >> And like there's something like I >> And like there's something like I noticed noticed noticed >> there's sideburns. >> there's sideburns. >> there's sideburns. >> Uhhuh. But the other problem I have >> Uhhuh. But the other problem I have >> Uhhuh. But the other problem I have though is like he's got a big beard and though is like he's got a big beard and though is like he's got a big beard and glasses and we heard that he strictly glasses and we heard that he strictly glasses and we heard that he strictly was like a glasses guy. was like a glasses guy. was like a glasses guy. >> Yeah. I honestly don't see how it could >> Yeah. I honestly don't see how it could >> Yeah. I honestly don't see how it could be him. Yeah, you would think that that be him. Yeah, you would think that that be him. Yeah, you would think that that would have like stood out. Plus, would have like stood out. Plus, would have like stood out. Plus, remember based on the timeline Ashley remember based on the timeline Ashley remember based on the timeline Ashley gave us, it probably wouldn't have gave us, it probably wouldn't have gave us, it probably wouldn't have worked for Eric to be Mystery Man. But worked for Eric to be Mystery Man. But worked for Eric to be Mystery Man. But if we believe that, we have to believe if we believe that, we have to believe if we believe that, we have to believe that the timeline Ashley is giving us is that the timeline Ashley is giving us is that the timeline Ashley is giving us is accurate. Okay, let's just say mystery accurate. Okay, let's just say mystery accurate. Okay, let's just say mystery man isn't Eric. It still feels like he man isn't Eric. It still feels like he man isn't Eric. It still feels like he knows something. So again, I ask why? knows something. So again, I ask why? knows something. So again, I ask why? like who actually has motive to want like who actually has motive to want like who actually has motive to want Britney gone? Of all of the things that Britney gone? Of all of the things that Britney gone? Of all of the things that have come up over the years, all of the have come up over the years, all of the have come up over the years, all of the rumors, all of the fingerpointing, I'm rumors, all of the fingerpointing, I'm rumors, all of the fingerpointing, I'm telling you, this case is like a you can telling you, this case is like a you can telling you, this case is like a you can get lost in it. get lost in it. get lost in it. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I don't have like a firm this is it >> I don't have like a firm this is it >> I don't have like a firm this is it reason to point to, but there is reason to point to, but there is reason to point to, but there is something that I can point to and say I something that I can point to and say I something that I can point to and say I think the answer might be hereish.

think the answer might be hereish. think the answer might be hereish. So, we got word that Britney had been So, we got word that Britney had been So, we got word that Britney had been talking to this guy named Zachary Bowman talking to this guy named Zachary Bowman talking to this guy named Zachary Bowman seemingly romantically. And the very seemingly romantically. And the very seemingly romantically. And the very evening that she went missing, they evening that she went missing, they evening that she went missing, they talked on the phone several times. Like, talked on the phone several times. Like, talked on the phone several times. Like, it even sounds like one of these calls it even sounds like one of these calls it even sounds like one of these calls took place on her way to grandma's. took place on her way to grandma's. took place on her way to grandma's. >> Is he Mystery Man? >> Is he Mystery Man? >> Is he Mystery Man? >> Well, that this I know is not possible >> Well, that this I know is not possible >> Well, that this I know is not possible because he is in prison at the time. because he is in prison at the time. because he is in prison at the time. That is the only reason that we even That is the only reason that we even That is the only reason that we even solidly know about these calls. solidly know about these calls. solidly know about these calls. >> Okay. I was going to ask that again. >> Okay. I was going to ask that again. >> Okay. I was going to ask that again. >> They're recorded on a prison line. and >> They're recorded on a prison line. and >> They're recorded on a prison line. and Brit, it sounds like we are the first Brit, it sounds like we are the first Brit, it sounds like we are the first ones to obtain these recordings. So, ones to obtain these recordings. So, ones to obtain these recordings. So, >> I was praying that there was going to be >> I was praying that there was going to be >> I was praying that there was going to be some new tidbit of information from some new tidbit of information from some new tidbit of information from them. Like maybe Brit would drop a name them. Like maybe Brit would drop a name them. Like maybe Brit would drop a name or a location, a hint, and we would hear or a location, a hint, and we would hear or a location, a hint, and we would hear some like something strange in the some like something strange in the some like something strange in the background. Anything because I background. Anything because I background. Anything because I definitely believe that she picked up definitely believe that she picked up definitely believe that she picked up mystery man on the way to Grandma's. And mystery man on the way to Grandma's. And mystery man on the way to Grandma's. And although she doesn't end up revealing although she doesn't end up revealing although she doesn't end up revealing who it was who was going to be with her who it was who was going to be with her who it was who was going to be with her that night, I do think there is that night, I do think there is that night, I do think there is something in one of these calls that we something in one of these calls that we something in one of these calls that we got that could be telling. But I need to got that could be telling. But I need to got that could be telling. But I need to give you some quick background context give you some quick background context give you some quick background context first. So at the time that Britney goes first. So at the time that Britney goes first. So at the time that Britney goes missing, we know that Ashley says that missing, we know that Ashley says that missing, we know that Ashley says that she's dating a guy that I mentioned she's dating a guy that I mentioned she's dating a guy that I mentioned earlier, Pocket, real name Curtis Polly.

earlier, Pocket, real name Curtis Polly. earlier, Pocket, real name Curtis Polly. So, part of her alibi outside of Eric So, part of her alibi outside of Eric So, part of her alibi outside of Eric being over at her place for most of the being over at her place for most of the being over at her place for most of the night is that she stayed home upset night is that she stayed home upset night is that she stayed home upset because Pocket had apparently just been because Pocket had apparently just been because Pocket had apparently just been picked up by police. Apparently, he'd picked up by police. Apparently, he'd picked up by police. Apparently, he'd previously been on probation for previously been on probation for previously been on probation for something drugrelated and decided to something drugrelated and decided to something drugrelated and decided to ditch his monitoring device. So, in one ditch his monitoring device. So, in one ditch his monitoring device. So, in one of the calls with Zach, it sounds like of the calls with Zach, it sounds like of the calls with Zach, it sounds like Britney is maybe just about to leave Britney is maybe just about to leave Britney is maybe just about to leave Sheldon's house for the evening. And I'm Sheldon's house for the evening. And I'm Sheldon's house for the evening. And I'm going to play you a short clip. Take a going to play you a short clip. Take a going to play you a short clip. Take a listen and then we'll talk about it. listen and then we'll talk about it. listen and then we'll talk about it. Oh my god. I have to tell you something. Oh my god. I have to tell you something. Oh my god. I have to tell you something. What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? >> Paulie went to jail. >> Paulie went to jail. >> Paulie went to jail. >> Polly? >> Polly? >> Polly? >> Yeah. He got picked up yesterday >> Yeah. He got picked up yesterday >> Yeah. He got picked up yesterday >> at seven at night. >> at seven at night. >> at seven at night. >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> I ain't going to lose no sleep o over >> I ain't going to lose no sleep o over >> I ain't going to lose no sleep o over it. it. it. >> You That means he just absorbing or catching That means he just absorbing or catching more charges. more charges. more charges. I have no idea. Ashley hasn't said I have no idea. Ashley hasn't said I have no idea. Ashley hasn't said anything to me. Well, I asked her about anything to me. Well, I asked her about anything to me. Well, I asked her about it, but she hasn't responded.

>> It means if he's in jail, I can get word >> It means if he's in jail, I can get word to him now. to him now. to him now. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> I mean, I could have been a first. >> I mean, I could have been a first. >> I mean, I could have been a first. >> Well, you No, no, you better. No, don't >> Well, you No, no, you better. No, don't >> Well, you No, no, you better. No, don't do that right now. do that right now. do that right now. You need to wait a little bit. You need to wait a little bit. You need to wait a little bit. Only cuz when I was up, I don't I don't Only cuz when I was up, I don't I don't Only cuz when I was up, I don't I don't need anything to come back on me. I need anything to come back on me. I need anything to come back on me. I don't need him to get a hair in his ass don't need him to get a hair in his ass don't need him to get a hair in his ass because of what he said to me got because of what he said to me got because of what he said to me got repeated back to you. You feel me? repeated back to you. You feel me? repeated back to you. You feel me? >> What's up? >> What's up? >> What's up? >> I said I don't I don't need him wanting >> I said I don't I don't need him wanting >> I said I don't I don't need him wanting to do some revengeful [ __ ] because to do some revengeful [ __ ] because to do some revengeful [ __ ] because something that he said to me got back to something that he said to me got back to something that he said to me got back to you while he's in there sitting on you while he's in there sitting on you while he's in there sitting on whatever he's sitting. whatever he's sitting. whatever he's sitting. >> It don't matter what was said. Period. >> It don't matter what was said. Period. >> It don't matter what was said. Period. It all comes out anyway. It don't It all comes out anyway. It don't It all comes out anyway. It don't matter. I always find out anything. It matter. I always find out anything. It matter. I always find out anything. It doesn't matter what it is. This is how doesn't matter what it is. This is how doesn't matter what it is. This is how it's been. It was like that with all my it's been. It was like that with all my it's been. It was like that with all my baby mamas. baby mamas. baby mamas. I'm not talking my cat to I'm not talking my cat to I'm not talking my cat to you know what you're talking about. Bye. you know what you're talking about. Bye. you know what you're talking about. Bye. >> What's up? >> What's up? >> What's up? >> I was telling him, >> I was telling him, >> I was telling him, >> but no, I can't I can't say what I want >> but no, I can't I can't say what I want >> but no, I can't I can't say what I want to say over the phone, but there's a to say over the phone, but there's a to say over the phone, but there's a reason why I don't want you to say reason why I don't want you to say reason why I don't want you to say anything right now.

anything right now. anything right now. >> I was hanging I was hanging around Eric >> I was hanging I was hanging around Eric >> I was hanging I was hanging around Eric um his uh pockets lady and pocket. Okay. um his uh pockets lady and pocket. Okay. um his uh pockets lady and pocket. Okay. So, I don't I don't need anything said So, I don't I don't need anything said So, I don't I don't need anything said right now. right now. right now. >> It feels like they're like talking in a >> It feels like they're like talking in a >> It feels like they're like talking in a code. I mean, probably they know they're code. I mean, probably they know they're code. I mean, probably they know they're being recorded, right? being recorded, right? being recorded, right? >> And I don't know about you, like I feel >> And I don't know about you, like I feel >> And I don't know about you, like I feel like there's like some tension there. like there's like some tension there. like there's like some tension there. Like code or no code. Like the vibe I Like code or no code. Like the vibe I Like code or no code. Like the vibe I get is that Britney has been hanging out get is that Britney has been hanging out get is that Britney has been hanging out with Eric, Ashley, and Ashley's with Eric, Ashley, and Ashley's with Eric, Ashley, and Ashley's boyfriend, Pocket, who is now in jail, boyfriend, Pocket, who is now in jail, boyfriend, Pocket, who is now in jail, where Zach is already at. And it sounds where Zach is already at. And it sounds where Zach is already at. And it sounds like Britt has something like maybe some like Britt has something like maybe some like Britt has something like maybe some dirt on at least one of them and she dirt on at least one of them and she dirt on at least one of them and she doesn't want what she has like getting doesn't want what she has like getting doesn't want what she has like getting back to that person or to someone and back to that person or to someone and back to that person or to someone and like I don't know maybe this means like I don't know maybe this means like I don't know maybe this means nothing. nothing. nothing. >> I mean I definitely sensed something >> I mean I definitely sensed something >> I mean I definitely sensed something >> same. So what's Zach in prison for then? >> same. So what's Zach in prison for then? >> same. So what's Zach in prison for then? also something drugreated, but like also something drugreated, but like also something drugreated, but like seemingly separate, not whatever like seemingly separate, not whatever like seemingly separate, not whatever like Pocket was like going away for.

Pocket was like going away for. Pocket was like going away for. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I don't know. Maybe Britney or Zach like >> I don't know. Maybe Britney or Zach like >> I don't know. Maybe Britney or Zach like knew how Pocket like ended up getting knew how Pocket like ended up getting knew how Pocket like ended up getting picked up by police. Like could Brit picked up by police. Like could Brit picked up by police. Like could Brit have been the one who ratted him out? I have been the one who ratted him out? I have been the one who ratted him out? I don't know. Our reporter Madison tried don't know. Our reporter Madison tried don't know. Our reporter Madison tried tracking down Zach and Pocket, hoping tracking down Zach and Pocket, hoping tracking down Zach and Pocket, hoping that they might remember what the heck that they might remember what the heck that they might remember what the heck she was talking about, but she has not she was talking about, but she has not she was talking about, but she has not had any luck reaching them. And of had any luck reaching them. And of had any luck reaching them. And of course, we tried reaching out to course, we tried reaching out to course, we tried reaching out to everyone named in this episode, too, everyone named in this episode, too, everyone named in this episode, too, including Eric Shank. But as of this including Eric Shank. But as of this including Eric Shank. But as of this recording, Eric never got back to us. recording, Eric never got back to us. recording, Eric never got back to us. And listen, when we asked Ashley And listen, when we asked Ashley And listen, when we asked Ashley straight up if she is involved or if she straight up if she is involved or if she straight up if she is involved or if she knows more, she said most definitely knows more, she said most definitely knows more, she said most definitely not. And I want to point something out not. And I want to point something out not. And I want to point something out that I find like pretty odd. And I'm not that I find like pretty odd. And I'm not that I find like pretty odd. And I'm not sure like where the disconnect is, but sure like where the disconnect is, but sure like where the disconnect is, but it's like concerning no matter what is it's like concerning no matter what is it's like concerning no matter what is going on here. So, in the case file, going on here. So, in the case file, going on here. So, in the case file, there is this mention of detectives there is this mention of detectives there is this mention of detectives talking to Ashley about potentially talking to Ashley about potentially talking to Ashley about potentially taking a polygraph, but then there's taking a polygraph, but then there's taking a polygraph, but then there's like no info on whether or not they like no info on whether or not they like no info on whether or not they followed through. So, obviously, we ask followed through. So, obviously, we ask followed through. So, obviously, we ask people like we were speaking to about people like we were speaking to about people like we were speaking to about this. Did they hear about the results?

this. Did they hear about the results? this. Did they hear about the results? Did it happen? And Britney's dad, Greg, Did it happen? And Britney's dad, Greg, Did it happen? And Britney's dad, Greg, told Madison that St. Joseph County told Madison that St. Joseph County told Madison that St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office told him that both Sheriff's Office told him that both Sheriff's Office told him that both Ashley and Eric ended up taking Ashley and Eric ended up taking Ashley and Eric ended up taking polygraphs and they passed. But plot polygraphs and they passed. But plot polygraphs and they passed. But plot twist, Ashley told Mads that she never twist, Ashley told Mads that she never twist, Ashley told Mads that she never ended up taking one. ended up taking one. ended up taking one. >> But wouldn't a a pass polygraph be good >> But wouldn't a a pass polygraph be good >> But wouldn't a a pass polygraph be good for her? Like that would like help her for her? Like that would like help her for her? Like that would like help her >> I would think so. She told us she was >> I would think so. She told us she was >> I would think so. She told us she was supposed to take one. Like she even went supposed to take one. Like she even went supposed to take one. Like she even went in for it and she spent more than 3 in for it and she spent more than 3 in for it and she spent more than 3 hours being like pre-screened only to hours being like pre-screened only to hours being like pre-screened only to ultimately not be tested because the ultimately not be tested because the ultimately not be tested because the examiner felt like she hadn't gotten examiner felt like she hadn't gotten examiner felt like she hadn't gotten enough sleep. Well, apparently like she enough sleep. Well, apparently like she enough sleep. Well, apparently like she had been on the road a lot for work had been on the road a lot for work had been on the road a lot for work around that time. And she said that she around that time. And she said that she around that time. And she said that she spent several months trying to spent several months trying to spent several months trying to coordinate a second exam with a coordinate a second exam with a coordinate a second exam with a detective, but then like it eventually detective, but then like it eventually detective, but then like it eventually just like died off. just like died off. just like died off. >> I I can't even like come up with a >> I I can't even like come up with a >> I I can't even like come up with a reason for any of that to make sense, reason for any of that to make sense, reason for any of that to make sense, >> right? Like is someone in law >> right? Like is someone in law >> right? Like is someone in law enforcement so confused that they're enforcement so confused that they're enforcement so confused that they're like imagining polygraphs that never like imagining polygraphs that never like imagining polygraphs that never happened? happened? happened? >> Or or is maybe like Ashley confused >> Or or is maybe like Ashley confused >> Or or is maybe like Ashley confused about the prequests, like the about the prequests, like the about the prequests, like the pre-screening? Maybe they just told her pre-screening? Maybe they just told her pre-screening? Maybe they just told her it was like the beginning part, but it it was like the beginning part, but it it was like the beginning part, but it wasn't.

wasn't. wasn't. >> I mean, I doubt it. I like for at least >> I mean, I doubt it. I like for at least >> I mean, I doubt it. I like for at least from what I know and and and admittedly from what I know and and and admittedly from what I know and and and admittedly like I don't I've never seen like all a like I don't I've never seen like all a like I don't I've never seen like all a bunch of polygraphs like but I think bunch of polygraphs like but I think bunch of polygraphs like but I think that like they do the pre-screen before that like they do the pre-screen before that like they do the pre-screen before you're like hooked up to the machine. I you're like hooked up to the machine. I you're like hooked up to the machine. I think you would know if you were taking think you would know if you were taking think you would know if you were taking a polygraph, a polygraph, a polygraph, >> right? I mean this is this is just like >> right? I mean this is this is just like >> right? I mean this is this is just like the perfect example in my mind of like the perfect example in my mind of like the perfect example in my mind of like this encapsulates the case. Like we're this encapsulates the case. Like we're this encapsulates the case. Like we're missing something. missing something. missing something. >> I think we are missing a piece. I really >> I think we are missing a piece. I really >> I think we are missing a piece. I really think someone out there has to have the think someone out there has to have the think someone out there has to have the piece. So like this is my plug to piece. So like this is my plug to piece. So like this is my plug to everyone to reach out to us tipsuck.com everyone to reach out to us tipsuck.com everyone to reach out to us tipsuck.com because Brett I find that with the because Brett I find that with the because Brett I find that with the stories that have this like kind of stories that have this like kind of stories that have this like kind of local following people tend to come out local following people tend to come out local following people tend to come out of the woodwork with important of the woodwork with important of the woodwork with important information and no matter which theory information and no matter which theory information and no matter which theory you follow like something just doesn't you follow like something just doesn't you follow like something just doesn't work here. And maybe that's because what work here. And maybe that's because what work here. And maybe that's because what happened wasn't planned. I mean I think happened wasn't planned. I mean I think happened wasn't planned. I mean I think there's a real possibility something there's a real possibility something there's a real possibility something spiraled. Maybe tensions that had spiraled. Maybe tensions that had spiraled. Maybe tensions that had already been brewing finally boiled already been brewing finally boiled already been brewing finally boiled over. Maybe drugs were involved. It over. Maybe drugs were involved. It over. Maybe drugs were involved. It could have been an accident. And people could have been an accident. And people could have been an accident. And people panicked afterward. Some people believe panicked afterward. Some people believe panicked afterward. Some people believe that Mystery Man eventually caught back that Mystery Man eventually caught back that Mystery Man eventually caught back up with Britney after she left John's up with Britney after she left John's up with Britney after she left John's house, called for help, like went by house, called for help, like went by house, called for help, like went by that second house, and then like that second house, and then like that second house, and then like whatever happened next just went whatever happened next just went whatever happened next just went horribly wrong. Others have even horribly wrong. Others have even horribly wrong. Others have even speculated that Britney may have been speculated that Britney may have been speculated that Britney may have been hit by a car sometime after leaving that hit by a car sometime after leaving that hit by a car sometime after leaving that teen's house. Maybe Mystery Man had teen's house. Maybe Mystery Man had teen's house. Maybe Mystery Man had called for a ride for them. that person called for a ride for them. that person called for a ride for them. that person hit her and then it was covered up. And hit her and then it was covered up. And hit her and then it was covered up. And honestly, when you remember how dark and honestly, when you remember how dark and honestly, when you remember how dark and foggy those roads were that night, there

foggy those roads were that night, there foggy those roads were that night, there was like a little bit of snow plus the was like a little bit of snow plus the was like a little bit of snow plus the possibility of drugs being involved, possibility of drugs being involved, possibility of drugs being involved, like it's not hard to imagine how like it's not hard to imagine how like it's not hard to imagine how quickly things could have taken a quickly things could have taken a quickly things could have taken a dangerous turn. Almost every scenario in dangerous turn. Almost every scenario in dangerous turn. Almost every scenario in my mind, though, involves someone else. my mind, though, involves someone else. my mind, though, involves someone else. Mystery Man hasn't come forward, so Mystery Man hasn't come forward, so Mystery Man hasn't come forward, so there has got to be a reason for that, there has got to be a reason for that, there has got to be a reason for that, right? Like if he knows what happened, right? Like if he knows what happened, right? Like if he knows what happened, he had to have gotten a ride out of he had to have gotten a ride out of he had to have gotten a ride out of there from someone with or without there from someone with or without there from someone with or without Britney. I want to know who else was in Britney. I want to know who else was in Britney. I want to know who else was in that area. I mean, we know detectives that area. I mean, we know detectives that area. I mean, we know detectives didn't even talk to Eric for forever. didn't even talk to Eric for forever. didn't even talk to Eric for forever. Like, did they get his phone records? Like, did they get his phone records? Like, did they get his phone records? Ashley's, JJ's, anybody's. I would love Ashley's, JJ's, anybody's. I would love Ashley's, JJ's, anybody's. I would love to know who was in communication with to know who was in communication with to know who was in communication with who that night. Maybe one of them were who that night. Maybe one of them were who that night. Maybe one of them were even out that way. I mean, Google even out that way. I mean, Google even out that way. I mean, Google doesn't offer geoloccation info to doesn't offer geoloccation info to doesn't offer geoloccation info to police anymore, but they did for a long police anymore, but they did for a long police anymore, but they did for a long time after this case. I want to know time after this case. I want to know time after this case. I want to know what detectives have and who was in that what detectives have and who was in that what detectives have and who was in that area. And as unlikely as it seems, it is area. And as unlikely as it seems, it is area. And as unlikely as it seems, it is possible that there was someone out possible that there was someone out possible that there was someone out there who isn't part of Britney's there who isn't part of Britney's there who isn't part of Britney's circle. I mean, there was some like circle. I mean, there was some like circle. I mean, there was some like super strange events that happened like super strange events that happened like super strange events that happened like out that way after she vanished. Like out that way after she vanished. Like out that way after she vanished. Like for example, a couple of weeks after for example, a couple of weeks after for example, a couple of weeks after Britney goes missing, a woman in a Britney goes missing, a woman in a Britney goes missing, a woman in a neighboring county reported that someone neighboring county reported that someone neighboring county reported that someone driving a white Cadillac stole gas off driving a white Cadillac stole gas off driving a white Cadillac stole gas off her farm. Seemingly unrelated, right?

her farm. Seemingly unrelated, right? her farm. Seemingly unrelated, right? Well, the ring cam footage of the event Well, the ring cam footage of the event Well, the ring cam footage of the event ends up being circulated, and that's ends up being circulated, and that's ends up being circulated, and that's when some people in town start saying when some people in town start saying when some people in town start saying that they can hear Britney screaming in that they can hear Britney screaming in that they can hear Britney screaming in the background like maybe she was being the background like maybe she was being the background like maybe she was being held captive by the guys who were in held captive by the guys who were in held captive by the guys who were in this car. this car. this car. Hey, hey, hey. >> Even Grandma Vicki reportedly thought >> Even Grandma Vicki reportedly thought that the man who turned out to be the that the man who turned out to be the that the man who turned out to be the driver of that car resembled Mystery driver of that car resembled Mystery driver of that car resembled Mystery Man. But the man later claimed that it Man. But the man later claimed that it Man. But the man later claimed that it was only a friend asleep in the car who was only a friend asleep in the car who was only a friend asleep in the car who he had like startled awake or something. he had like startled awake or something. he had like startled awake or something. And deputies did process the vehicle, And deputies did process the vehicle, And deputies did process the vehicle, even recovered blood evidence. But when even recovered blood evidence. But when even recovered blood evidence. But when testing came back, the samples belonged testing came back, the samples belonged testing came back, the samples belonged to two unidentified men. Dead end. to two unidentified men. Dead end. to two unidentified men. Dead end. Then there was an abandoned property off Then there was an abandoned property off Then there was an abandoned property off of guess where? Fawn River Road that of guess where? Fawn River Road that of guess where? Fawn River Road that investigators paid really close investigators paid really close investigators paid really close attention to. This was like a place tied attention to. This was like a place tied attention to. This was like a place tied to rumors like basically that after the to rumors like basically that after the to rumors like basically that after the crash Britney had been taken there crash Britney had been taken there crash Britney had been taken there against her will where she was against her will where she was against her will where she was subsequently assaulted, tortured, and subsequently assaulted, tortured, and subsequently assaulted, tortured, and eventually killed. There had also been eventually killed. There had also been eventually killed. There had also been sex trafficking rumors tied to this sex trafficking rumors tied to this sex trafficking rumors tied to this house, which I think is important to house, which I think is important to house, which I think is important to mention, knowing what JJ brought up mention, knowing what JJ brought up mention, knowing what JJ brought up earlier in that body cam footage.

earlier in that body cam footage. earlier in that body cam footage. >> And what really like fueled this theory >> And what really like fueled this theory >> And what really like fueled this theory around this house was the fact that it around this house was the fact that it around this house was the fact that it burned down via arson, possibly to try burned down via arson, possibly to try burned down via arson, possibly to try and cover things up. and cover things up. and cover things up. Investigators photographed the scene, Investigators photographed the scene, Investigators photographed the scene, searched the property multiple times, searched the property multiple times, searched the property multiple times, even collected evidence, all after the even collected evidence, all after the even collected evidence, all after the fire, and they even found women's fire, and they even found women's fire, and they even found women's underwear that looked like it was the underwear that looked like it was the underwear that looked like it was the kind that Britt wore, like found near a kind that Britt wore, like found near a kind that Britt wore, like found near a burn pit. There was a knife with what burn pit. There was a knife with what burn pit. There was a knife with what looked like possible blood stains in the looked like possible blood stains in the looked like possible blood stains in the basement along with more suspicious basement along with more suspicious basement along with more suspicious stains on the basement floor. Again, you stains on the basement floor. Again, you stains on the basement floor. Again, you you're thinking like, "This has to be you're thinking like, "This has to be you're thinking like, "This has to be it." I guess all of it turned out to be it." I guess all of it turned out to be it." I guess all of it turned out to be nothing. Apparently, it wasn't actually nothing. Apparently, it wasn't actually nothing. Apparently, it wasn't actually blood. and likely nothing connected to blood. and likely nothing connected to blood. and likely nothing connected to this case. And Brett, there is so much this case. And Brett, there is so much this case. And Brett, there is so much more where that came from. Stuff like more where that came from. Stuff like more where that came from. Stuff like this, if anyone were to want to go down this, if anyone were to want to go down this, if anyone were to want to go down like a deep rabbit hole, there is this like a deep rabbit hole, there is this like a deep rabbit hole, there is this podcast called Hideandsek hosted by podcast called Hideandsek hosted by podcast called Hideandsek hosted by James Basinger. He is like deep deep James Basinger. He is like deep deep James Basinger. He is like deep deep deep in this case. Has been for literal deep in this case. Has been for literal deep in this case. Has been for literal years. The guy's done like 50 plus years. The guy's done like 50 plus years. The guy's done like 50 plus episodes just on Britney's case. That's episodes just on Britney's case. That's episodes just on Britney's case. That's how much there is to this. So, anyone how much there is to this. So, anyone how much there is to this. So, anyone who wants can go take a listen.

who wants can go take a listen. who wants can go take a listen. Britney's case was his third season. Britney's case was his third season. Britney's case was his third season. He's done a couple now. I I really like He's done a couple now. I I really like He's done a couple now. I I really like the one that he did, his first season on the one that he did, his first season on the one that he did, his first season on Nancy Moyer. So, that's hideand-seek. Go Nancy Moyer. So, that's hideand-seek. Go Nancy Moyer. So, that's hideand-seek. Go listen. You can go way deeper. You'll listen. You can go way deeper. You'll listen. You can go way deeper. You'll hear I mean, so many stories like this. hear I mean, so many stories like this. hear I mean, so many stories like this. And like, this is the thing about these And like, this is the thing about these And like, this is the thing about these stories. Like, some of them are so stories. Like, some of them are so stories. Like, some of them are so detailed and specific and disturbing detailed and specific and disturbing detailed and specific and disturbing that part of me wonders like, that part of me wonders like, that part of me wonders like, >> how could all of this just be made up? >> how could all of this just be made up? >> how could all of this just be made up? But then there's another part of me that But then there's another part of me that But then there's another part of me that wonders like what if what we're really wonders like what if what we're really wonders like what if what we're really seeing here is just like an entire seeing here is just like an entire seeing here is just like an entire community trying to make sense of community trying to make sense of community trying to make sense of something horrific after one of their something horrific after one of their something horrific after one of their own vanished. Because sadly in worlds own vanished. Because sadly in worlds own vanished. Because sadly in worlds shaped by instability and rocky shaped by instability and rocky shaped by instability and rocky relationships and paranoia, trust relationships and paranoia, trust relationships and paranoia, trust disappears fast. People hide things. disappears fast. People hide things. disappears fast. People hide things. People protect each other. Stories People protect each other. Stories People protect each other. Stories shift. Rumors spread faster than actual shift. Rumors spread faster than actual shift. Rumors spread faster than actual facts do. And once fear enters the facts do. And once fear enters the facts do. And once fear enters the picture, every coincidence starts picture, every coincidence starts picture, every coincidence starts feeling sinister. feeling sinister. feeling sinister. >> So, I keep coming back to the simple >> So, I keep coming back to the simple >> So, I keep coming back to the simple things, the Facebook messages that things, the Facebook messages that things, the Facebook messages that disappeared. How did Britney's gas disappeared. How did Britney's gas disappeared. How did Britney's gas receipt actually turn up? I think receipt actually turn up? I think receipt actually turn up? I think somebody out there really does know somebody out there really does know somebody out there really does know exactly what happened to Britney Wallace exactly what happened to Britney Wallace exactly what happened to Britney Wallace Shank that day, November 30th, 2018. And Shank that day, November 30th, 2018. And Shank that day, November 30th, 2018. And maybe all the accusations and the chaos maybe all the accusations and the chaos maybe all the accusations and the chaos and the outlandish stories just served and the outlandish stories just served and the outlandish stories just served another purpose. entirely. Maybe it was another purpose. entirely. Maybe it was another purpose. entirely. Maybe it was creating so much noise that detectives creating so much noise that detectives creating so much noise that detectives would never find the truth buried would never find the truth buried would never find the truth buried underneath it. But I believe the answers

underneath it. But I believe the answers underneath it. But I believe the answers are there. And I believe that the right are there. And I believe that the right are there. And I believe that the right person can still get to them. So if any person can still get to them. So if any person can still get to them. So if any of our listeners know anything about the of our listeners know anything about the of our listeners know anything about the disappearance of Britney Wallace Shank, disappearance of Britney Wallace Shank, disappearance of Britney Wallace Shank, especially if you recognize the man in especially if you recognize the man in especially if you recognize the man in the sketches, which we've also posted to the sketches, which we've also posted to the sketches, which we've also posted to our blog post, you can contact the St. our blog post, you can contact the St. our blog post, you can contact the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office at Joseph County Sheriff's Office at Joseph County Sheriff's Office at 269-467945.