Lindsay Clancy and the Evidence vs. Social Media

It feels like the entire world has all It feels like the entire world has all eyes on the Lindsey Clansancy trial eyes on the Lindsey Clansancy trial eyes on the Lindsey Clansancy trial unfolding in Massachusetts right now. unfolding in Massachusetts right now. unfolding in Massachusetts right now. And trust me, [music] we are deeply in And trust me, [music] we are deeply in And trust me, [music] we are deeply in it, too. Of all the people involved in it, too. Of all the people involved in it, too. Of all the people involved in this [music] case, those who have taken this [music] case, those who have taken this [music] case, those who have taken the stand, something has stuck out to me the stand, something has stuck out to me the stand, something has stuck out to me hearing their accounts of what happened. hearing their accounts of what happened. hearing their accounts of what happened. We need to take a closer look at what We need to take a closer look at what We need to take a closer look at what did they know and when. Three young kids did they know and when. Three young kids did they know and when. Three young kids lost their lives tragically and lost their lives tragically and lost their lives tragically and something we don't always see. You have something we don't always see. You have something we don't always see. You have both the prosecution and the defense both the prosecution and the defense both the prosecution and the defense here agreeing the person who killed them here agreeing the person who killed them here agreeing the person who killed them was their mom, Lindsay Clancy. [music] was their mom, Lindsay Clancy. [music] was their mom, Lindsay Clancy. [music] But this is not a cut and dry case. It But this is not a cut and dry case. It But this is not a cut and dry case. It is incredibly nuanced. [music] Was it is incredibly nuanced. [music] Was it is incredibly nuanced. [music] Was it postpartum psychosis as her defense team postpartum psychosis as her defense team postpartum psychosis as her defense team claims, or were the killings claims, or were the killings claims, or were the killings premeditated? Did the medical community premeditated? Did the medical community premeditated? Did the medical community fail her when she asked for help, or did fail her when she asked for help, or did fail her when she asked for help, or did they do all they could? And then you've they do all they could? And then you've they do all they could? And then you've had everyone spiraling online about her had everyone spiraling online about her had everyone spiraling online about her husband, Patrick Clancy, questioning if husband, Patrick Clancy, questioning if husband, Patrick Clancy, questioning if his testimony and timeline [music] is his testimony and timeline [music] is his testimony and timeline [music] is adding up. The trial is unfolding right adding up. The trial is unfolding right adding up. The trial is unfolding right now as we speak. So, crime junkies, I'm now as we speak. So, crime junkies, I'm now as we speak. So, crime junkies, I'm Brianna Whitney, and in the headlines Brianna Whitney, and in the headlines Brianna Whitney, and in the headlines this week, we are diving deep into what this week, we are diving deep into what this week, we are diving deep into what you guys have been asking for, the you guys have been asking for, the you guys have been asking for, the stunning twists and turns of the stunning twists and turns of the stunning twists and turns of the Lindseay Clancy trial and [music] what's Lindseay Clancy trial and [music] what's Lindseay Clancy trial and [music] what's at stake.

As it stands right now, the trial is As it stands right now, the trial is deep into the defense's case with their deep into the defense's case with their deep into the defense's case with their witnesses on the stand. So, that witnesses on the stand. So, that witnesses on the stand. So, that includes Lindsay and Patrick's moms and includes Lindsay and Patrick's moms and includes Lindsay and Patrick's moms and a number of mental health professionals. a number of mental health professionals. a number of mental health professionals. And we're going to get to all of that, And we're going to get to all of that, And we're going to get to all of that, but I actually want to start this but I actually want to start this but I actually want to start this episode looking [music] at Patrick episode looking [music] at Patrick episode looking [music] at Patrick Clancy, Lindsay Clancy's husband. What Clancy, Lindsay Clancy's husband. What Clancy, Lindsay Clancy's husband. What did he know and when? Because I think did he know and when? Because I think did he know and when? Because I think he's a really important piece here. He he's a really important piece here. He he's a really important piece here. He was the first witness to take the stand was the first witness to take the stand was the first witness to take the stand in this trial [music] and for good in this trial [music] and for good in this trial [music] and for good reason. He of course was one of the reason. He of course was one of the reason. He of course was one of the first to see his wife mentally first to see his wife mentally first to see his wife mentally deteriorating. He and Lindsay actually deteriorating. He and Lindsay actually deteriorating. He and Lindsay actually both detailed it in civil lawsuits right both detailed it in civil lawsuits right both detailed it in civil lawsuits right before the trial even began in July. before the trial even began in July. before the trial even began in July. [music] So let's go back 4 years. This [music] So let's go back 4 years. This [music] So let's go back 4 years. This case really all began in September of case really all began in September of case really all began in September of 2022. Up until then, Patrick and Lindsay 2022. Up until then, Patrick and Lindsay 2022. Up until then, Patrick and Lindsay had what [music] seemed to be a really had what [music] seemed to be a really had what [music] seemed to be a really great marriage. Both had good jobs. great marriage. Both had good jobs. great marriage. Both had good jobs. Lindsay was a labor and delivery nurse Lindsay was a labor and delivery nurse Lindsay was a labor and delivery nurse at Massachusetts General Hospital. at Massachusetts General Hospital. at Massachusetts General Hospital. [music] and Patrick was working for [music] and Patrick was working for [music] and Patrick was working for Microsoft. On the personal front, they Microsoft. On the personal front, they Microsoft. On the personal front, they really had it all, too. They had their really had it all, too. They had their really had it all, too. They had their daughter Kora, she's their oldest, she daughter Kora, she's their oldest, she daughter Kora, she's their oldest, she was five at the time, son, Dawson, who was five at the time, son, Dawson, who was five at the time, son, Dawson, who was three, and Lindsay had just given was three, and Lindsay had just given was three, and Lindsay had just given birth to their third child, Kalen, who birth to their third child, Kalen, who birth to their third child, Kalen, who wasn't even one yet. Patrick himself wasn't even one yet. Patrick himself wasn't even one yet. Patrick himself said on the stand, Lindsay was such a said on the stand, Lindsay was such a said on the stand, Lindsay was such a good and loving mom. But like so many good and loving mom. But like so many good and loving mom. But like so many moms, Lindsay knew she was struggling moms, Lindsay knew she was struggling moms, Lindsay knew she was struggling with postpartum mental health, like with postpartum mental health, like with postpartum mental health, like severe anxiety and depression. She severe anxiety and depression. She severe anxiety and depression. She wasn't sleeping and she described her wasn't sleeping and she described her wasn't sleeping and she described her body as being [music] heavy. Now, it got body as being [music] heavy. Now, it got body as being [music] heavy. Now, it got bad enough that she went and sought bad enough that she went and sought bad enough that she went and sought psychiatric help in September of 2022.

psychiatric help in September of 2022. psychiatric help in September of 2022. And Patrick testified he [music] watched And Patrick testified he [music] watched And Patrick testified he [music] watched as Lindsay tried medication after as Lindsay tried medication after as Lindsay tried medication after medication from a multitude of doctors medication from a multitude of doctors medication from a multitude of doctors for months and her condition just kept for months and her condition just kept for months and her condition just kept getting worse. He actually went to one getting worse. He actually went to one getting worse. He actually went to one of her appointments with her in December of her appointments with her in December of her appointments with her in December during what he testified was a big during what he testified was a big during what he testified was a big spiral. and he told the nurse spiral. and he told the nurse spiral. and he told the nurse practitioner things had gotten 10 times practitioner things had gotten 10 times practitioner things had gotten 10 times worse ever since she had been on the worse ever since she had been on the worse ever since she had been on the drug Cerakquil, which is an drug Cerakquil, which is an drug Cerakquil, which is an antiscychotic. Yet, the CNP increased antiscychotic. Yet, the CNP increased antiscychotic. Yet, the CNP increased the dose, according to court records. the dose, according to court records. the dose, according to court records. And Patrick testified things had gotten And Patrick testified things had gotten And Patrick testified things had gotten so bad by December that Lindsay said she so bad by December that Lindsay said she so bad by December that Lindsay said she was having thoughts of hurting the kids was having thoughts of hurting the kids was having thoughts of hurting the kids and having paranoid delusions. And he and having paranoid delusions. And he and having paranoid delusions. And he remembered she said that more than once. remembered she said that more than once. remembered she said that more than once. So, things were noticeably really, So, things were noticeably really, So, things were noticeably really, really concerning by this point. But really concerning by this point. But really concerning by this point. But Patrick said sometimes it was hard Patrick said sometimes it was hard Patrick said sometimes it was hard because Lindsay would be severely because Lindsay would be severely because Lindsay would be severely struggling one minute but then playing struggling one minute but then playing struggling one minute but then playing with the kids and seemingly happy the with the kids and seemingly happy the with the kids and seemingly happy the next. So it was really hard to navigate. next. So it was really hard to navigate. next. So it was really hard to navigate. Lindsay spent 5 days in a psychiatric Lindsay spent 5 days in a psychiatric Lindsay spent 5 days in a psychiatric facility in early January 2023 and was facility in early January 2023 and was facility in early January 2023 and was released in time for Kora's birthday released in time for Kora's birthday released in time for Kora's birthday party on January 7th. And by January party on January 7th. And by January party on January 7th. And by January 24th, he actually said Lindsay had been 24th, he actually said Lindsay had been 24th, he actually said Lindsay had been having one of her best days. She had having one of her best days. She had having one of her best days. She had taken Kora to the pediatrician. Then she taken Kora to the pediatrician. Then she taken Kora to the pediatrician. Then she was outside building a snowman with the was outside building a snowman with the was outside building a snowman with the kids. All was well. At least he thought.

kids. All was well. At least he thought. kids. All was well. At least he thought. Patrick and Lindsay had been talking Patrick and Lindsay had been talking Patrick and Lindsay had been talking about getting takeout for dinner that about getting takeout for dinner that about getting takeout for dinner that night at a restaurant called 3V. So when night at a restaurant called 3V. So when night at a restaurant called 3V. So when Lindsay texted him at 5:15 p.m. asking Lindsay texted him at 5:15 p.m. asking Lindsay texted him at 5:15 p.m. asking if he could go pick up some Pedialax at if he could go pick up some Pedialax at if he could go pick up some Pedialax at CVS for Kora, it was like, "Yeah, no CVS for Kora, it was like, "Yeah, no CVS for Kora, it was like, "Yeah, no problem. He could grab the medicine and problem. He could grab the medicine and problem. He could grab the medicine and then go pick up their dinner." Now, if then go pick up their dinner." Now, if then go pick up their dinner." Now, if you are chronically online like me or you are chronically online like me or you are chronically online like me or even remotely watching videos about the even remotely watching videos about the even remotely watching videos about the Lindsey Clancy trial, then you know that Lindsey Clancy trial, then you know that Lindsey Clancy trial, then you know that Patrick's timeline of events and the Patrick's timeline of events and the Patrick's timeline of events and the things he said happened next has been things he said happened next has been things he said happened next has been scrutinized like crazy because scrutinized like crazy because scrutinized like crazy because does it all add up? He told the court he does it all add up? He told the court he does it all add up? He told the court he left around 5:15 p.m. and that CVS was left around 5:15 p.m. and that CVS was left around 5:15 p.m. and that CVS was only 3 minutes away. The issue people only 3 minutes away. The issue people only 3 minutes away. The issue people are having online is this trip to CVS are having online is this trip to CVS are having online is this trip to CVS seemingly did not take 3 minutes. It seemingly did not take 3 minutes. It seemingly did not take 3 minutes. It took 17 minutes to get there based on took 17 minutes to get there based on took 17 minutes to get there based on CVS surveillance showing him walking CVS surveillance showing him walking CVS surveillance showing him walking into the store at 5:32. into the store at 5:32. into the store at 5:32. So why did it take that long to get So why did it take that long to get So why did it take that long to get there? We don't know. When Patrick was there? We don't know. When Patrick was there? We don't know. When Patrick was asked more about this on the stand, he asked more about this on the stand, he asked more about this on the stand, he said he didn't know if he just got to said he didn't know if he just got to said he didn't know if he just got to the parking lot earlier and sat in his the parking lot earlier and sat in his the parking lot earlier and sat in his car or what. He didn't say he went car or what. He didn't say he went car or what. He didn't say he went anywhere else before. So, this has not anywhere else before. So, this has not anywhere else before. So, this has not sat well with trial watchers. But sat well with trial watchers. But sat well with trial watchers. But nonetheless, he walked into the CVS at nonetheless, he walked into the CVS at nonetheless, he walked into the CVS at 5:32 p.m. 1 minute later, he said he 5:32 p.m. 1 minute later, he said he 5:32 p.m. 1 minute later, he said he called Lindsay because the medicine she called Lindsay because the medicine she called Lindsay because the medicine she wanted was sold out, so he wanted to wanted was sold out, so he wanted to wanted was sold out, so he wanted to know if a generic brand would work know if a generic brand would work know if a generic brand would work instead. She didn't answer, but she did instead. She didn't answer, but she did instead. She didn't answer, but she did call back a minute later and said that call back a minute later and said that call back a minute later and said that was fine. And Patrick testified she was fine. And Patrick testified she was fine. And Patrick testified she sounded busy but quiet on the phone, sounded busy but quiet on the phone, sounded busy but quiet on the phone, which is kind of an interesting combo of

which is kind of an interesting combo of which is kind of an interesting combo of adjectives he used, but he chocked it up adjectives he used, but he chocked it up adjectives he used, but he chocked it up to thinking she was probably just giving to thinking she was probably just giving to thinking she was probably just giving the kids baths. So, he continued on to the kids baths. So, he continued on to the kids baths. So, he continued on to the restaurant 3V to grab the pickup the restaurant 3V to grab the pickup the restaurant 3V to grab the pickup order. And we know he got there at 5:54 order. And we know he got there at 5:54 order. And we know he got there at 5:54 p.m. because their surveillance cameras p.m. because their surveillance cameras p.m. because their surveillance cameras showed him, too. Now, people online have showed him, too. Now, people online have showed him, too. Now, people online have been spiraling about Patrick's shoes. Is been spiraling about Patrick's shoes. Is been spiraling about Patrick's shoes. Is he wearing the same shoes at CVS and at he wearing the same shoes at CVS and at he wearing the same shoes at CVS and at the restaurant? Like, did he go straight the restaurant? Like, did he go straight the restaurant? Like, did he go straight there as he says? Putting the there as he says? Putting the there as he says? Putting the surveillance images from both CVS and 3V surveillance images from both CVS and 3V surveillance images from both CVS and 3V [music] side by side, it's honestly [music] side by side, it's honestly [music] side by side, it's honestly impossible to prove for sure. But these impossible to prove for sure. But these impossible to prove for sure. But these are likely the same shoes. It's at least are likely the same shoes. It's at least are likely the same shoes. It's at least not something attorneys on either side not something attorneys on either side not something attorneys on either side have contested. So Patrick then said he have contested. So Patrick then said he have contested. So Patrick then said he got back to the house around 6:09 p.m. got back to the house around 6:09 p.m. got back to the house around 6:09 p.m. And that's when he found Lindsay on the And that's when he found Lindsay on the And that's when he found Lindsay on the ground outside bleeding from her wrists ground outside bleeding from her wrists ground outside bleeding from her wrists and her neck. [music] And he's like, "Oh and her neck. [music] And he's like, "Oh and her neck. [music] And he's like, "Oh my god, what happened?" And he said my god, what happened?" And he said my god, what happened?" And he said Lindsay told him she tried to take her Lindsay told him she tried to take her Lindsay told him she tried to take her life, then said the kids were in the life, then said the kids were in the life, then said the kids were in the basement, but she didn't tell him basement, but she didn't tell him basement, but she didn't tell him anything else about the kids or their anything else about the kids or their anything else about the kids or their conditions, just they were in the conditions, just they were in the conditions, just they were in the basement. So Patrick called 911 and said basement. So Patrick called 911 and said basement. So Patrick called 911 and said while he was on the phone, he was going while he was on the phone, he was going while he was on the phone, he was going to go check on the kids. I mean, had to go check on the kids. I mean, had to go check on the kids. I mean, had they just watched their mom jump out a they just watched their mom jump out a they just watched their mom jump out a window? That's exceptionally traumatic.

window? That's exceptionally traumatic. window? That's exceptionally traumatic. And the general public did not get to And the general public did not get to And the general public did not get to hear the 911 call. Only the jury did. hear the 911 call. Only the jury did. hear the 911 call. Only the jury did. But we know based on Patrick's But we know based on Patrick's But we know based on Patrick's testimony, he called 911 and was on the testimony, he called 911 and was on the testimony, he called 911 and was on the phone with the dispatcher when he found phone with the dispatcher when he found phone with the dispatcher when he found Kora, Dawson, and Ken in the basement Kora, Dawson, and Ken in the basement Kora, Dawson, and Ken in the basement strangled with exercise bands. and he strangled with exercise bands. and he strangled with exercise bands. and he screamed on the 911 call, "She killed screamed on the 911 call, "She killed screamed on the 911 call, "She killed the kids." There were tears in the the kids." There were tears in the the kids." There were tears in the courtroom when the 911 call was played. courtroom when the 911 call was played. courtroom when the 911 call was played. The discovery was the most unimaginable The discovery was the most unimaginable The discovery was the most unimaginable tragedy possible. Patrick Clancy was tragedy possible. Patrick Clancy was tragedy possible. Patrick Clancy was never ever considered a suspect in the never ever considered a suspect in the never ever considered a suspect in the kid's deaths. In fact, he was there as kid's deaths. In fact, he was there as kid's deaths. In fact, he was there as detectives were collecting evidence at detectives were collecting evidence at detectives were collecting evidence at the home. But the cross-examination of the home. But the cross-examination of the home. But the cross-examination of Patrick Clancy on the stand was about to Patrick Clancy on the stand was about to Patrick Clancy on the stand was about to stir up an online explosion of scrutiny stir up an online explosion of scrutiny stir up an online explosion of scrutiny about where he really was the night of about where he really was the night of about where he really was the night of the murders because of one email and the the murders because of one email and the the murders because of one email and the time that it was sent.

Lindseay Clancy's defense attorney, Lindseay Clancy's defense attorney, Kevin Readington, asked Patrick about Kevin Readington, asked Patrick about Kevin Readington, asked Patrick about something very specific, a work email he something very specific, a work email he something very specific, a work email he sent. The data showed it was sent at sent. The data showed it was sent at sent. The data showed it was sent at 5:24 5:24 5:24 p.m. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, p.m. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, p.m. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, 5:24 p.m. That was like right in the 5:24 p.m. That was like right in the 5:24 p.m. That was like right in the middle of everything. Getting that text middle of everything. Getting that text middle of everything. Getting that text from Lindsay to go pick up the medicine, from Lindsay to go pick up the medicine, from Lindsay to go pick up the medicine, leaving the house at 5:15, driving, and leaving the house at 5:15, driving, and leaving the house at 5:15, driving, and then getting to CVS. So, the timing then getting to CVS. So, the timing then getting to CVS. So, the timing definitely seemed kind of weird to just definitely seemed kind of weird to just definitely seemed kind of weird to just send a work email to staff in the middle send a work email to staff in the middle send a work email to staff in the middle of all of that. But then Readington of all of that. But then Readington of all of that. But then Readington asked Patrick if he sent it from his asked Patrick if he sent it from his asked Patrick if he sent it from his Surface Pro. That's his home computer. Surface Pro. That's his home computer. Surface Pro. That's his home computer. And Patrick said he wasn't sure. Well, And Patrick said he wasn't sure. Well, And Patrick said he wasn't sure. Well, that sent the internet into a frenzy. that sent the internet into a frenzy. that sent the internet into a frenzy. [music] Oh my god. Is he lying about [music] Oh my god. Is he lying about [music] Oh my god. Is he lying about where he was? That's what people have where he was? That's what people have where he was? That's what people have speculated. I've seen a lot of chatter speculated. I've seen a lot of chatter speculated. I've seen a lot of chatter online about the email being sent from online about the email being sent from online about the email being sent from his home IP address. As far as actual his home IP address. As far as actual his home IP address. As far as actual testimony goes in the courtroom, there's testimony goes in the courtroom, there's testimony goes in the courtroom, there's been nothing about that. Patrick said been nothing about that. Patrick said been nothing about that. Patrick said it's possible he sent the email from his it's possible he sent the email from his it's possible he sent the email from his phone while sitting in his car at CVS. phone while sitting in his car at CVS. phone while sitting in his car at CVS. Regardless of when and where he sent it, Regardless of when and where he sent it, Regardless of when and where he sent it, this seemed like a really important time this seemed like a really important time this seemed like a really important time for Patrick Clancy to get his story for Patrick Clancy to get his story for Patrick Clancy to get his story straight. And in the court of public straight. And in the court of public straight. And in the court of public opinion, this started to shift the opinion, this started to shift the opinion, this started to shift the online temperature of sympathy for online temperature of sympathy for online temperature of sympathy for Patrick. Because the more people Patrick. Because the more people Patrick. Because the more people watching this trial interpreted a sort watching this trial interpreted a sort watching this trial interpreted a sort of shiftiness or inconsistency in his of shiftiness or inconsistency in his of shiftiness or inconsistency in his story, the more they started to go down story, the more they started to go down story, the more they started to go down the Patrick Clancy rabbit hole. People the Patrick Clancy rabbit hole. People the Patrick Clancy rabbit hole. People asking online, why did he allegedly asking online, why did he allegedly asking online, why did he allegedly start dating someone new just months start dating someone new just months start dating someone new just months after the murders. We know he's after the murders. We know he's after the murders. We know he's remarried now. And creator just in the

remarried now. And creator just in the remarried now. And creator just in the nick of time was the first to report a nick of time was the first to report a nick of time was the first to report a finding about Patrick's reported all finding about Patrick's reported all finding about Patrick's reported all trails account showing he gave this trails account showing he gave this trails account showing he gave this detailed review of a trail in Costa Rica detailed review of a trail in Costa Rica detailed review of a trail in Costa Rica talking about how amazing it was. It's talking about how amazing it was. It's talking about how amazing it was. It's public online. I saw it myself. Well, public online. I saw it myself. Well, public online. I saw it myself. Well, that review was posted in [music] that review was posted in [music] that review was posted in [music] February 2023. February 2023. February 2023. The kids were killed January 24th, 2023, The kids were killed January 24th, 2023, The kids were killed January 24th, 2023, and Ken actually didn't officially pass and Ken actually didn't officially pass and Ken actually didn't officially pass away until January 27th. So then you had away until January 27th. So then you had away until January 27th. So then you had people online questioning that. I mean, people online questioning that. I mean, people online questioning that. I mean, you were grieving the loss of your kids you were grieving the loss of your kids you were grieving the loss of your kids with your wife paralyzed from the fall with your wife paralyzed from the fall with your wife paralyzed from the fall and simultaneously the suspect in their and simultaneously the suspect in their and simultaneously the suspect in their deaths. And days later, you're posting a deaths. And days later, you're posting a deaths. And days later, you're posting a trail review in Costa Rica. But I want trail review in Costa Rica. But I want trail review in Costa Rica. But I want to say this, people do deal with immense to say this, people do deal with immense to say this, people do deal with immense grief differently. [music] They handle grief differently. [music] They handle grief differently. [music] They handle it differently and it can look vastly it differently and it can look vastly it differently and it can look vastly different from person to person. Until different from person to person. Until different from person to person. Until you are in that position, you don't know you are in that position, you don't know you are in that position, you don't know how you'd handle it. Now, I interviewed how you'd handle it. Now, I interviewed how you'd handle it. Now, I interviewed Cheryl Bader for this episode. She is a Cheryl Bader for this episode. She is a Cheryl Bader for this episode. She is a clinical associate professor of law at clinical associate professor of law at clinical associate professor of law at Forom School of Law in New York, and she Forom School of Law in New York, and she Forom School of Law in New York, and she focuses on running a criminal defense focuses on running a criminal defense focuses on running a criminal defense clinic. She's also a former assistant US clinic. She's also a former assistant US clinic. She's also a former assistant US attorney. And she says, "You have to attorney. And she says, "You have to attorney. And she says, "You have to remember what you hear and read online remember what you hear and read online remember what you hear and read online from people putting their opinion out on from people putting their opinion out on from people putting their opinion out on Tik Tok and Instagram, those social Tik Tok and Instagram, those social Tik Tok and Instagram, those social media sites. That is not what the jury media sites. That is not what the jury media sites. That is not what the jury is exposed to. Those jurors that are is exposed to. Those jurors that are is exposed to. Those jurors that are sitting there, they're hearing certain sitting there, they're hearing certain sitting there, they're hearing certain things that the the rest of the public things that the the rest of the public things that the the rest of the public didn't hear, like the 911 call itself.

didn't hear, like the 911 call itself. didn't hear, like the 911 call itself. And the jurors got this very intimate And the jurors got this very intimate And the jurors got this very intimate look at this agonizing guttural response look at this agonizing guttural response look at this agonizing guttural response that this man had to coming home and that this man had to coming home and that this man had to coming home and finding his wife having attempted finding his wife having attempted finding his wife having attempted suicide and strangled his kids. They're suicide and strangled his kids. They're suicide and strangled his kids. They're also not hearing certain things cuz they also not hearing certain things cuz they also not hearing certain things cuz they shouldn't be looking at social media shouldn't be looking at social media shouldn't be looking at social media that's sort of going around online. And that's sort of going around online. And that's sort of going around online. And so I think what plays out in the so I think what plays out in the so I think what plays out in the courtroom is different than what's courtroom is different than what's courtroom is different than what's playing out in social media. playing out in social media. playing out in social media. So, when we're looking at who knew what So, when we're looking at who knew what So, when we're looking at who knew what and when, in this case, Patrick's and when, in this case, Patrick's and when, in this case, Patrick's account of things is somewhat different account of things is somewhat different account of things is somewhat different than what first responders and than what first responders and than what first responders and detectives testified to, their POV in detectives testified to, their POV in detectives testified to, their POV in testimony of what unfolded next in the testimony of what unfolded next in the testimony of what unfolded next in the Clansancy investigation has also been Clansancy investigation has also been Clansancy investigation has also been picked apart by thousands who have picked apart by thousands who have picked apart by thousands who have watched the trial live. Several first watched the trial live. Several first watched the trial live. Several first responders have testified, this includes responders have testified, this includes responders have testified, this includes police officers and paramedics, that police officers and paramedics, that police officers and paramedics, that they found Lindsay Clancy on the ground they found Lindsay Clancy on the ground they found Lindsay Clancy on the ground outside [music] outside [music] outside [music] unconscious and unresponsive. Now, at unconscious and unresponsive. Now, at unconscious and unresponsive. Now, at that point, they did not know the extent that point, they did not know the extent that point, they did not know the extent of her injuries, but they found her body of her injuries, but they found her body of her injuries, but they found her body temperature was severely hypothermic at temperature was severely hypothermic at temperature was severely hypothermic at 82°, which is absolutely a medical 82°, which is absolutely a medical 82°, which is absolutely a medical emergency. How long was she out there to emergency. How long was she out there to emergency. How long was she out there to have a body temp of 82°? That is wildly have a body temp of 82°? That is wildly have a body temp of 82°? That is wildly low. A medical expert told Parade low. A medical expert told Parade low. A medical expert told Parade newspaper it likely wasn't just the newspaper it likely wasn't just the newspaper it likely wasn't just the freezing cold temps, but the fact that freezing cold temps, but the fact that freezing cold temps, but the fact that she had had severe physical trauma, she had had severe physical trauma, she had had severe physical trauma, blood [music] loss, and a spinal injury blood [music] loss, and a spinal injury blood [music] loss, and a spinal injury that all played a part in her body temp.

that all played a part in her body temp. that all played a part in her body temp. But the thing that trial watchers and But the thing that trial watchers and But the thing that trial watchers and Sleuth online zeroed in on even more. Sleuth online zeroed in on even more. Sleuth online zeroed in on even more. How was it that [music] minutes before How was it that [music] minutes before How was it that [music] minutes before first responders got there, Patrick said first responders got there, Patrick said first responders got there, Patrick said Lindsay told him she tried to take her Lindsay told him she tried to take her Lindsay told him she tried to take her life and where the kids were, but then life and where the kids were, but then life and where the kids were, but then all of a sudden was unconscious and all of a sudden was unconscious and all of a sudden was unconscious and unresponsive when paramedics [music] got unresponsive when paramedics [music] got unresponsive when paramedics [music] got there. That didn't make a lot of sense there. That didn't make a lot of sense there. That didn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people, and neither did the to a lot of people, and neither did the to a lot of people, and neither did the cuts on Lindsay Clancy's body. First cuts on Lindsay Clancy's body. First cuts on Lindsay Clancy's body. First responders testified her neck and wrist responders testified her neck and wrist responders testified her neck and wrist cuts were superficial and not cuts were superficial and not cuts were superficial and not life-threatening. Lindsay was a longtime life-threatening. Lindsay was a longtime life-threatening. Lindsay was a longtime nurse. Assumably, she would know what nurse. Assumably, she would know what nurse. Assumably, she would know what kind of cuts would actually do kind of cuts would actually do kind of cuts would actually do life-threatening damage if she was life-threatening damage if she was life-threatening damage if she was trying to end her life. It seemed like trying to end her life. It seemed like trying to end her life. It seemed like every new detail that was coming out in every new detail that was coming out in every new detail that was coming out in the trial was [music] casting more and the trial was [music] casting more and the trial was [music] casting more and more doubt on what truly happened. And more doubt on what truly happened. And more doubt on what truly happened. And then we learned about the fingerprint then we learned about the fingerprint then we learned about the fingerprint evidence, or should I say lack thereof. evidence, or should I say lack thereof. evidence, or should I say lack thereof. State police trooper Jonathan Olaflin State police trooper Jonathan Olaflin State police trooper Jonathan Olaflin testified that there were no usable testified that there were no usable testified that there were no usable fingerprints of Lindsay's recovered from fingerprints of Lindsay's recovered from fingerprints of Lindsay's recovered from the knife or the exercise bands she used the knife or the exercise bands she used the knife or the exercise bands she used to strangle the children. How even her to strangle the children. How even her to strangle the children. How even her defense attorney seemed confused by that defense attorney seemed confused by that defense attorney seemed confused by that too. Like he double confirmed it with too. Like he double confirmed it with too. Like he double confirmed it with the trooper. Well, the trooper basically the trooper. Well, the trooper basically the trooper. Well, the trooper basically explained prints can be really fragile explained prints can be really fragile explained prints can be really fragile and the texture of the piece of evidence and the texture of the piece of evidence and the texture of the piece of evidence itself like the exercise bands could itself like the exercise bands could itself like the exercise bands could affect getting usable prints for affect getting usable prints for affect getting usable prints for comparison. As for the knife, he just comparison. As for the knife, he just comparison. As for the knife, he just said there was not enough there either.

said there was not enough there either. said there was not enough there either. And it's not like they found someone And it's not like they found someone And it's not like they found someone else's fingerprints on this stuff. There else's fingerprints on this stuff. There else's fingerprints on this stuff. There were no viable fingerprints at all from were no viable fingerprints at all from were no viable fingerprints at all from anyone. [music] anyone. [music] anyone. [music] Even if that seemed odd, I do come back Even if that seemed odd, I do come back Even if that seemed odd, I do come back to the same thing every time. [music] to the same thing every time. [music] to the same thing every time. [music] Lindsay's own defense team is not Lindsay's own defense team is not Lindsay's own defense team is not contesting who killed the kids. They say contesting who killed the kids. They say contesting who killed the kids. They say [music] it was her. Their argument to [music] it was her. Their argument to [music] it was her. Their argument to the jury is she cannot be held the jury is she cannot be held the jury is she cannot be held criminally responsible for the murders criminally responsible for the murders criminally responsible for the murders because they claim she was suffering because they claim she was suffering because they claim she was suffering from postpartum psychosis, which is from postpartum psychosis, which is from postpartum psychosis, which is being used as an insanity defense. And being used as an insanity defense. And being used as an insanity defense. And I'll tell you this, I have covered I'll tell you this, I have covered I'll tell you this, I have covered insanity defenses in trials before, insanity defenses in trials before, insanity defenses in trials before, [music] and they often fail because it [music] and they often fail because it [music] and they often fail because it is really hard to convince a jury is really hard to convince a jury is really hard to convince a jury someone isn't criminally responsible for someone isn't criminally responsible for someone isn't criminally responsible for the killings [music] the killings [music] the killings [music] that their own legal team says they did. that their own legal team says they did. that their own legal team says they did. But in this case, with the concerning But in this case, with the concerning But in this case, with the concerning testimony we were about to hear on the testimony we were about to hear on the testimony we were about to hear on the stand from the doctors who saw and stand from the doctors who saw and stand from the doctors who saw and treated Lindsay during her mental demise treated Lindsay during her mental demise treated Lindsay during her mental demise and what Lindsay reportedly said and what Lindsay reportedly said and what Lindsay reportedly said herself, I think the insanity defense herself, I think the insanity defense herself, I think the insanity defense has momentum.

First off, what exactly is postpartum First off, what exactly is postpartum psychosis? According to the Cleveland psychosis? According to the Cleveland psychosis? According to the Cleveland Clinic, postpartum psychosis is a Clinic, postpartum psychosis is a Clinic, postpartum psychosis is a condition that affects a person's sense condition that affects a person's sense condition that affects a person's sense of reality, causing hallucinations, of reality, causing hallucinations, of reality, causing hallucinations, delusions, and paranoia, and in severe delusions, and paranoia, and in severe delusions, and paranoia, and in severe cases, could cause someone to attempt to cases, could cause someone to attempt to cases, could cause someone to attempt to harm themselves or their newborn. harm themselves or their newborn. harm themselves or their newborn. Lindsay's defense attorney, Kevin Lindsay's defense attorney, Kevin Lindsay's defense attorney, Kevin Readington, says she was suffering from Readington, says she was suffering from Readington, says she was suffering from this and could not understand the nature this and could not understand the nature this and could not understand the nature of her actions and what she was doing of her actions and what she was doing of her actions and what she was doing was wrong, therefore should not be held was wrong, therefore should not be held was wrong, therefore should not be held criminally responsible. They also say criminally responsible. They also say criminally responsible. They also say she was failed by the medical system and she was failed by the medical system and she was failed by the medical system and the doctors she was seeking help from. the doctors she was seeking help from. the doctors she was seeking help from. Now, this is a huge part of this case we Now, this is a huge part of this case we Now, this is a huge part of this case we need to break down, so stick with me need to break down, so stick with me need to break down, so stick with me here. We learned that over the course of here. We learned that over the course of here. We learned that over the course of 5 months, from September 2022 to January 5 months, from September 2022 to January 5 months, from September 2022 to January 2023, Lindsay Clancy sought help or went 2023, Lindsay Clancy sought help or went 2023, Lindsay Clancy sought help or went to doctor's appointments more than a to doctor's appointments more than a to doctor's appointments more than a dozen times. She went to the emergency dozen times. She went to the emergency dozen times. She went to the emergency room for a mental health crisis twice. room for a mental health crisis twice. room for a mental health crisis twice. She went to a behavioral program and she She went to a behavioral program and she She went to a behavioral program and she checked into McClean Hospital, which is checked into McClean Hospital, which is checked into McClean Hospital, which is a psychiatric facility. The defense says a psychiatric facility. The defense says a psychiatric facility. The defense says she was overmedicated, which led to the she was overmedicated, which led to the she was overmedicated, which led to the postpartum psychosis because the doctors postpartum psychosis because the doctors postpartum psychosis because the doctors reportedly were not communicating with reportedly were not communicating with reportedly were not communicating with each other and prescribing and each other and prescribing and each other and prescribing and discontinuing all sorts of drugs from discontinuing all sorts of drugs from discontinuing all sorts of drugs from antiscychotics to anti-depressants.

antiscychotics to anti-depressants. antiscychotics to anti-depressants. Ultimately, the defense said Lindsay was Ultimately, the defense said Lindsay was Ultimately, the defense said Lindsay was prescribed 13 different medications prescribed 13 different medications prescribed 13 different medications [music] during those 5 months. So, what [music] during those 5 months. So, what [music] during those 5 months. So, what did the doctors know during that time did the doctors know during that time did the doctors know during that time that led to that? The doctor Lindsay that led to that? The doctor Lindsay that led to that? The doctor Lindsay Clancy saw the longest and most often Clancy saw the longest and most often Clancy saw the longest and most often was psychiatrist Dr. Jennifer Tus with was psychiatrist Dr. Jennifer Tus with was psychiatrist Dr. Jennifer Tus with Aster [music] Mental Health. And Lindsay Aster [music] Mental Health. And Lindsay Aster [music] Mental Health. And Lindsay first went to her in September of 2022 first went to her in September of 2022 first went to her in September of 2022 and saw her through January. [music] and saw her through January. [music] and saw her through January. [music] Their last appointment together was Their last appointment together was Their last appointment together was actually the day before the murders actually the day before the murders actually the day before the murders happened. It's worth noting that both happened. It's worth noting that both happened. It's worth noting that both Lindsay and Patrick Clancy [music] have Lindsay and Patrick Clancy [music] have Lindsay and Patrick Clancy [music] have civil malpractice lawsuits against civil malpractice lawsuits against civil malpractice lawsuits against several of the doctors who have several of the doctors who have several of the doctors who have testified at the trial. Dr. Tus is one testified at the trial. Dr. Tus is one testified at the trial. Dr. Tus is one of them. Tu said Lindsay first reported of them. Tu said Lindsay first reported of them. Tu said Lindsay first reported she was having anxiety and couldn't she was having anxiety and couldn't she was having anxiety and couldn't sleep [music] and that turned into sleep [music] and that turned into sleep [music] and that turned into Lindsay showing signs of severe Lindsay showing signs of severe Lindsay showing signs of severe depression. By January, Tus recorded depression. By January, Tus recorded depression. By January, Tus recorded Lindsay's condition as deteriorating. Lindsay's condition as deteriorating. Lindsay's condition as deteriorating. Now, Tu spent a lot of time on the stand Now, Tu spent a lot of time on the stand Now, Tu spent a lot of time on the stand [music] and it did not go overly well. [music] and it did not go overly well. [music] and it did not go overly well. For one thing, her career was called For one thing, her career was called For one thing, her career was called into question by the defense. She had into question by the defense. She had into question by the defense. She had actually only been independently actually only been independently actually only been independently practicing psychiatry for one month when practicing psychiatry for one month when practicing psychiatry for one month when she saw Lindsay Clancy. And then she saw Lindsay Clancy. And then she saw Lindsay Clancy. And then something that shocked the internet of something that shocked the internet of something that shocked the internet of trial watchers in the worst way. Dr. Tu trial watchers in the worst way. Dr. Tu trial watchers in the worst way. Dr. Tu said she saw Lindsay 14 different times, said she saw Lindsay 14 different times, said she saw Lindsay 14 different times, [music] but never in person. These were [music] but never in person. These were [music] but never in person. These were only virtual appointments, no longer only virtual appointments, no longer only virtual appointments, no longer than 25 minutes, which was criticized by than 25 minutes, which was criticized by than 25 minutes, which was criticized by Lindsay's defense team as Dr. Tus Lindsay's defense team as Dr. Tus Lindsay's defense team as Dr. Tus watched Lindsay's condition go watched Lindsay's condition go watched Lindsay's condition go drastically downhill. And then there was drastically downhill. And then there was drastically downhill. And then there was a question of what Dr. Tus actually a question of what Dr. Tus actually a question of what Dr. Tus actually wrote on the record about Lindsay's wrote on the record about Lindsay's wrote on the record about Lindsay's condition, which led to this tense

condition, which led to this tense condition, which led to this tense moment in the courtroom. Can you just moment in the courtroom. Can you just moment in the courtroom. Can you just read this paragraph here for us? read this paragraph here for us? read this paragraph here for us? >> No, sorry. >> No, sorry. >> No, sorry. >> No sleep last night. Falls asleep after >> No sleep last night. Falls asleep after >> No sleep last night. Falls asleep after 40 minutes. Heart racing. Severe 40 minutes. Heart racing. Severe 40 minutes. Heart racing. Severe anxiety. Worrying about kids, baby, anxiety. Worrying about kids, baby, anxiety. Worrying about kids, baby, sleep. Yawns, but not drowsy. Not hyper sleep. Yawns, but not drowsy. Not hyper sleep. Yawns, but not drowsy. Not hyper pressured speech. pressured speech. pressured speech. >> What was that? Not hyper what? >> What was that? Not hyper what? >> What was that? Not hyper what? >> Not hyper not pressured speech is what I >> Not hyper not pressured speech is what I >> Not hyper not pressured speech is what I meant. I know it doesn't say not, but meant. I know it doesn't say not, but meant. I know it doesn't say not, but that is exactly what I meant. Wait, when that is exactly what I meant. Wait, when that is exactly what I meant. Wait, when did you see this that you noticed that did you see this that you noticed that did you see this that you noticed that it did not say not? it did not say not? it did not say not? >> I don't care what it says. I know what I >> I don't care what it says. I know what I >> I don't care what it says. I know what I meant. meant. meant. >> Well, when you wrote this, you did not >> Well, when you wrote this, you did not >> Well, when you wrote this, you did not say not pressured speech. You said in say not pressured speech. You said in say not pressured speech. You said in the medical record pressured speech, the medical record pressured speech, the medical record pressured speech, right? right? right? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Does it say that? >> Does it say that? >> Does it say that? >> Yeah. The word is the word not is right >> Yeah. The word is the word not is right >> Yeah. The word is the word not is right before not hyper comma pressured speech. before not hyper comma pressured speech. before not hyper comma pressured speech. The two are following the knot. The two are following the knot. The two are following the knot. >> Readington asked Dr. Tu if she [music] >> Readington asked Dr. Tu if she [music] >> Readington asked Dr. Tu if she [music] had ever treated a patient with had ever treated a patient with had ever treated a patient with postpartum psychosis. And Tu said no postpartum psychosis. And Tu said no postpartum psychosis. And Tu said no because it's a rare disorder and she'd because it's a rare disorder and she'd because it's a rare disorder and she'd [music] only been practicing 1 month.

[music] only been practicing 1 month. [music] only been practicing 1 month. But what about someone else? Dr. Aaliyah But what about someone else? Dr. Aaliyah But what about someone else? Dr. Aaliyah Goodhart. Dr. Goodhart worked at McClean Goodhart. Dr. Goodhart worked at McClean Goodhart. Dr. Goodhart worked at McClean Hospital. That's the psychiatric Hospital. That's the psychiatric Hospital. That's the psychiatric facility that Lindsay spent 5 days at facility that Lindsay spent 5 days at facility that Lindsay spent 5 days at just weeks before she reportedly killed just weeks before she reportedly killed just weeks before she reportedly killed her kids. And Goodart had been her kids. And Goodart had been her kids. And Goodart had been practicing psychiatry for more than 20 practicing psychiatry for more than 20 practicing psychiatry for more than 20 years. She also is being sued by the years. She also is being sued by the years. She also is being sued by the Clancies for malpractice. Now, Dr. Clancies for malpractice. Now, Dr. Clancies for malpractice. Now, Dr. Goodhart testified that Lindsay had Goodhart testified that Lindsay had Goodhart testified that Lindsay had concerns about an antiscychotic she had concerns about an antiscychotic she had concerns about an antiscychotic she had been prescribed to help with insomnia, been prescribed to help with insomnia, been prescribed to help with insomnia, and she said she had been feeling numb. and she said she had been feeling numb. and she said she had been feeling numb. But Dr. Goodhart testified that Lindsay But Dr. Goodhart testified that Lindsay But Dr. Goodhart testified that Lindsay never said she had thoughts of harming never said she had thoughts of harming never said she had thoughts of harming anybody else. And when she started to anybody else. And when she started to anybody else. And when she started to feel better and wanted to make it to her feel better and wanted to make it to her feel better and wanted to make it to her daughter Kora's birthday [music] party, daughter Kora's birthday [music] party, daughter Kora's birthday [music] party, doctors at McClean discharged her on doctors at McClean discharged her on doctors at McClean discharged her on January 5th with prescriptions for an January 5th with prescriptions for an January 5th with prescriptions for an anti-anxiety drug and [music] a sleep anti-anxiety drug and [music] a sleep anti-anxiety drug and [music] a sleep aid. So, like what if things got worse? aid. So, like what if things got worse? aid. So, like what if things got worse? What should she do? And Dr. Goodhart What should she do? And Dr. Goodhart What should she do? And Dr. Goodhart said they told Lindsay to just check out said they told Lindsay to just check out said they told Lindsay to just check out psychologytoday.com psychologytoday.com psychologytoday.com to find outpatient providers with her to find outpatient providers with her to find outpatient providers with her insurance. This was a woman who was insurance. This was a woman who was insurance. This was a woman who was clearly severely ill and we're just clearly severely ill and we're just clearly severely ill and we're just suggesting Psychology Today. Readington suggesting Psychology Today. Readington suggesting Psychology Today. Readington definitely questioned in court if that definitely questioned in court if that definitely questioned in court if that was adequate discharge care. He also was adequate discharge care. He also was adequate discharge care. He also asked Dr. Goodhart the same question he asked Dr. Goodhart the same question he asked Dr. Goodhart the same question he asked Dr. Tus. Had she seen someone with asked Dr. Tus. Had she seen someone with asked Dr. Tus. Had she seen someone with postpartum psychosis? How many women postpartum psychosis? How many women postpartum psychosis? How many women have you treated that have you treated that have you treated that were suffering from postpartum were suffering from postpartum were suffering from postpartum psychosis?

>> I don't recall. >> I don't recall. I don't remember, but I think it would I don't remember, but I think it would I don't remember, but I think it would stick in my memory. So, I don't think stick in my memory. So, I don't think stick in my memory. So, I don't think that I probably have. that I probably have. that I probably have. >> You don't think you probably have? I >> You don't think you probably have? I >> You don't think you probably have? I don't I [music] don't think I have. don't I [music] don't think I have. don't I [music] don't think I have. >> So, neither had seen someone with that >> So, neither had seen someone with that >> So, neither had seen someone with that condition as the defense claims Lindsay condition as the defense claims Lindsay condition as the defense claims Lindsay has. And then you have the other part to has. And then you have the other part to has. And then you have the other part to the medical care equation. These doctors the medical care equation. These doctors the medical care equation. These doctors and providers didn't know how others and providers didn't know how others and providers didn't know how others were also treating Lindsay Clancy were also treating Lindsay Clancy were also treating Lindsay Clancy simultaneously. Rebecca Gelada, who was simultaneously. Rebecca Gelada, who was simultaneously. Rebecca Gelada, who was a psychiatric nurse practitioner at a psychiatric nurse practitioner at a psychiatric nurse practitioner at Southshore Health, testified that she Southshore Health, testified that she Southshore Health, testified that she also saw Lindsay Clancy several times also saw Lindsay Clancy several times also saw Lindsay Clancy several times where Lindsay told her at times she was where Lindsay told her at times she was where Lindsay told her at times she was having intrusive thoughts and feeling having intrusive thoughts and feeling having intrusive thoughts and feeling completely hopeless. So, Gelada also completely hopeless. So, Gelada also completely hopeless. So, Gelada also prescribed Lindsay different medications prescribed Lindsay different medications prescribed Lindsay different medications to try and help, including that to try and help, including that to try and help, including that antiscychotic that seemed to make things antiscychotic that seemed to make things antiscychotic that seemed to make things far worse. But Joolada was actually the far worse. But Joolada was actually the far worse. But Joolada was actually the one who explored a possible bipolar one who explored a possible bipolar one who explored a possible bipolar diagnosis, which Lindsay's defense team diagnosis, which Lindsay's defense team diagnosis, which Lindsay's defense team believed she also was suffering from. believed she also was suffering from. believed she also was suffering from. But she testified someone denied to her But she testified someone denied to her But she testified someone denied to her that Lindsay could have an underlying that Lindsay could have an underlying that Lindsay could have an underlying bipolar disorder. And that person was bipolar disorder. And that person was bipolar disorder. And that person was Patrick Clancy. Gelato revealed that she Patrick Clancy. Gelato revealed that she Patrick Clancy. Gelato revealed that she had no idea that Lindsay had seen Dr.

had no idea that Lindsay had seen Dr. had no idea that Lindsay had seen Dr. Tus 14 times. She thought she'd only Tus 14 times. She thought she'd only Tus 14 times. She thought she'd only seen her one time in September, and she seen her one time in September, and she seen her one time in September, and she said she never talked to anyone from the said she never talked to anyone from the said she never talked to anyone from the other hospitals Lindsay had gone to. So other hospitals Lindsay had gone to. So other hospitals Lindsay had gone to. So much so she said she didn't even have much so she said she didn't even have much so she said she didn't even have access to the records from McClean access to the records from McClean access to the records from McClean Psychiatric Hospital where Lindsay saw Psychiatric Hospital where Lindsay saw Psychiatric Hospital where Lindsay saw Dr. Goodart. Now I asked law professor Dr. Goodart. Now I asked law professor Dr. Goodart. Now I asked law professor Cheryl Bader about a major takeaway I Cheryl Bader about a major takeaway I Cheryl Bader about a major takeaway I had after watching all of their had after watching all of their had after watching all of their testimony about Lindsay's care. One testimony about Lindsay's care. One testimony about Lindsay's care. One thing that I noticed is watching these thing that I noticed is watching these thing that I noticed is watching these witnesses for the prosecution. witnesses for the prosecution. witnesses for the prosecution. In a lot of [music] ways, it seemed like In a lot of [music] ways, it seemed like In a lot of [music] ways, it seemed like their testimony actually aided the their testimony actually aided the their testimony actually aided the defense in terms of the massive amount defense in terms of the massive amount defense in terms of the massive amount of medications that were taken, the of medications that were taken, the of medications that were taken, the miscommunication or non-communication miscommunication or non-communication miscommunication or non-communication between all these different providers. between all these different providers. between all these different providers. She was going back and forth trying to She was going back and forth trying to She was going back and forth trying to get more help. And is that detrimental get more help. And is that detrimental get more help. And is that detrimental for the prosecution to have these for the prosecution to have these for the prosecution to have these witnesses that you're calling for your witnesses that you're calling for your witnesses that you're calling for your case, but then it seems that almost what case, but then it seems that almost what case, but then it seems that almost what they were saying was [music] actually they were saying was [music] actually they were saying was [music] actually helpful for Lindsay's case. Yeah, I helpful for Lindsay's case. Yeah, I helpful for Lindsay's case. Yeah, I think that the prosecution has to call think that the prosecution has to call think that the prosecution has to call certain witnesses to establish [music] certain witnesses to establish [music] certain witnesses to establish [music] their case because they have the burden their case because they have the burden their case because they have the burden of proof. But often a mistake that of proof. But often a mistake that of proof. But often a mistake that prosecutors make [music] is they get too prosecutors make [music] is they get too prosecutors make [music] is they get too far into the weeds and the details and far into the weeds and the details and far into the weeds and the details and they [music] forget what the central they [music] forget what the central they [music] forget what the central issue is. Now, it seems like many of the issue is. Now, it seems like many of the issue is. Now, it seems like many of the witnesses didn't have their notes, witnesses didn't have their notes, witnesses didn't have their notes, hadn't been as familiar with the care, hadn't been as familiar with the care, hadn't been as familiar with the care, and that's really problematic [music] and that's really problematic [music] and that's really problematic [music] because if the defense attorney

because if the defense attorney because if the defense attorney understands the medical case better than understands the medical case better than understands the medical case better than um the physicians, that definitely plays um the physicians, that definitely plays um the physicians, that definitely plays into the argument that the system failed into the argument that the system failed into the argument that the system failed her. [music] Now, the physicians her. [music] Now, the physicians her. [music] Now, the physicians Lindseay Clancy saw all testified they Lindseay Clancy saw all testified they Lindseay Clancy saw all testified they did not observe any psychosis. and these did not observe any psychosis. and these did not observe any psychosis. and these medical facilities they worked at are medical facilities they worked at are medical facilities they worked at are also named in the civil malpractice also named in the civil malpractice also named in the civil malpractice lawsuit. The Boston Globe reported in an lawsuit. The Boston Globe reported in an lawsuit. The Boston Globe reported in an article that several facilities said article that several facilities said article that several facilities said they can't comment on pending litigation they can't comment on pending litigation they can't comment on pending litigation or they didn't respond to a request for or they didn't respond to a request for or they didn't respond to a request for comment. But the Globe did get a full comment. But the Globe did get a full comment. But the Globe did get a full statement back from McClean Hospital statement back from McClean Hospital statement back from McClean Hospital that in part said they are committed to that in part said they are committed to that in part said they are committed to providing highquality mental health care providing highquality mental health care providing highquality mental health care for patients and advancing the for patients and advancing the for patients and advancing the understanding, diagnosis, and the understanding, diagnosis, and the understanding, diagnosis, and the treatment of conditions that uniquely treatment of conditions that uniquely treatment of conditions that uniquely affect women, including postpartum affect women, including postpartum affect women, including postpartum mental health conditions. They added in mental health conditions. They added in mental health conditions. They added in their response to the Globe that while their response to the Globe that while their response to the Globe that while they can't comment on Lindsay Clancy they can't comment on Lindsay Clancy they can't comment on Lindsay Clancy specifically, they mourn [music] the specifically, they mourn [music] the specifically, they mourn [music] the loss of the children. Honestly, going loss of the children. Honestly, going loss of the children. Honestly, going through all of this research about her through all of this research about her through all of this research about her attempts to get better, and listening to attempts to get better, and listening to attempts to get better, and listening to the testimony, and reading the the testimony, and reading the the testimony, and reading the malpractice lawsuit allegations, it malpractice lawsuit allegations, it malpractice lawsuit allegations, it really made me feel like personally really made me feel like personally really made me feel like personally sick, almost on the verge of tears, it sick, almost on the verge of tears, it sick, almost on the verge of tears, it is just so sad [music] and so tragic.

is just so sad [music] and so tragic. is just so sad [music] and so tragic. And then, as if this trial wasn't And then, as if this trial wasn't And then, as if this trial wasn't already seeing unprecedented aspects, already seeing unprecedented aspects, already seeing unprecedented aspects, something happened that I have never something happened that I have never something happened that I have never seen before during a trial. As testimony was happening in the As testimony was happening in the courtroom about Lindsay's hospital care, courtroom about Lindsay's hospital care, courtroom about Lindsay's hospital care, one Tik Tocker caught the eye of Kevin one Tik Tocker caught the eye of Kevin one Tik Tocker caught the eye of Kevin Readington and his defense team in real Readington and his defense team in real Readington and his defense team in real [music] time. A woman named Emily [music] time. A woman named Emily [music] time. A woman named Emily Thorndikeke, who is a licensed clinical Thorndikeke, who is a licensed clinical Thorndikeke, who is a licensed clinical social worker. She started posting on social worker. She started posting on social worker. She started posting on Tik Tok about conditions and downfalls Tik Tok about conditions and downfalls Tik Tok about conditions and downfalls at McClean Hospital. Now, Thorndikeke at McClean Hospital. Now, Thorndikeke at McClean Hospital. Now, Thorndikeke had worked at McClean for over 7 years had worked at McClean for over 7 years had worked at McClean for over 7 years in the exact same unit that Lindseay in the exact same unit that Lindseay in the exact same unit that Lindseay Clancy stayed at for 5 days. [music] But Clancy stayed at for 5 days. [music] But Clancy stayed at for 5 days. [music] But Thorndikeke left the hospital about a Thorndikeke left the hospital about a Thorndikeke left the hospital about a year before Lindsay was admitted. But year before Lindsay was admitted. But year before Lindsay was admitted. But Thorndikeke said prosecutors were making Thorndikeke said prosecutors were making Thorndikeke said prosecutors were making man seem like this was a top tier care man seem like this was a top tier care man seem like this was a top tier care facility when she claims in her videos facility when she claims in her videos facility when she claims in her videos that there were understaffing concerns, that there were understaffing concerns, that there were understaffing concerns, lack of resources, and unqualified staff lack of resources, and unqualified staff lack of resources, and unqualified staff members giving care who did not actually members giving care who did not actually members giving care who did not actually have psychiatric or social work have psychiatric or social work have psychiatric or social work experience. Readington decided this was experience. Readington decided this was experience. Readington decided this was all credible enough to file a motion to all credible enough to file a motion to all credible enough to file a motion to have the Tik Tocker come in and testify have the Tik Tocker come in and testify have the Tik Tocker come in and testify about those conditions on behalf of the about those conditions on behalf of the about those conditions on behalf of the defense mid-trial. Guys, I don't know if defense mid-trial. Guys, I don't know if defense mid-trial. Guys, I don't know if we've ever [music] we've ever [music] we've ever [music] seen that before. So, will Emily seen that before. So, will Emily seen that before. So, will Emily Thornike testify? The judge said no, Thornike testify? The judge said no, Thornike testify? The judge said no, [music] he won't allow it. The internet [music] he won't allow it. The internet [music] he won't allow it. The internet seems to love Lindsay's attorney, Kevin seems to love Lindsay's attorney, Kevin seems to love Lindsay's attorney, Kevin Readington. As soon as the Commonwealth Readington. As soon as the Commonwealth Readington. As soon as the Commonwealth rested their case and Readington, or Big

rested their case and Readington, or Big rested their case and Readington, or Big Red as people on social media have now Red as people on social media have now Red as people on social media have now been calling him, got up to start his been calling him, got up to start his been calling him, got up to start his case, he focused heavily on the amount case, he focused heavily on the amount case, he focused heavily on the amount of times Lindsay tried to get help of times Lindsay tried to get help of times Lindsay tried to get help [music] and the amount of people she [music] and the amount of people she [music] and the amount of people she expressed needing help, too. Both expressed needing help, too. Both expressed needing help, too. Both Lindsay's mom and Patrick's mom Lindsay's mom and Patrick's mom Lindsay's mom and Patrick's mom testified [music] testified [music] testified [music] for the defense and both agreed Lindsay for the defense and both agreed Lindsay for the defense and both agreed Lindsay was a very loving and caring mother to was a very loving and caring mother to was a very loving and caring mother to all three of her kids. Her mom, Paula all three of her kids. Her mom, Paula all three of her kids. Her mom, Paula Musgrove, said Lindsay also told her in Musgrove, said Lindsay also told her in Musgrove, said Lindsay also told her in December 2022 that she had thoughts of December 2022 that she had thoughts of December 2022 that she had thoughts of harming the kids. And she recalled they harming the kids. And she recalled they harming the kids. And she recalled they had a lot of these texts back and forth had a lot of these texts back and forth had a lot of these texts back and forth daily for months where Lindsay would daily for months where Lindsay would daily for months where Lindsay would detail the highs and the extreme lows of detail the highs and the extreme lows of detail the highs and the extreme lows of feeling better than worse as she feeling better than worse as she feeling better than worse as she navigated her mental health. And she navigated her mental health. And she navigated her mental health. And she remembered one of those [music] texts remembered one of those [music] texts remembered one of those [music] texts saying, "It's just really scary and I saying, "It's just really scary and I saying, "It's just really scary and I don't want to be alone." Now, Patrick's don't want to be alone." Now, Patrick's don't want to be alone." Now, Patrick's mom, Sue Clancy, was adamant on the mom, Sue Clancy, was adamant on the mom, Sue Clancy, was adamant on the stand that Lindsay was begging for help stand that Lindsay was begging for help stand that Lindsay was begging for help and that they were all very concerned. and that they were all very concerned. and that they were all very concerned. [music] [music] [music] And that's when Readington reminded the And that's when Readington reminded the And that's when Readington reminded the jury Lindsay tried calling the suicide jury Lindsay tried calling the suicide jury Lindsay tried calling the suicide hotline twice, but then was turned away hotline twice, but then was turned away hotline twice, but then was turned away both times because she didn't have an both times because she didn't have an both times because she didn't have an active plan to carry out suicide. And active plan to carry out suicide. And active plan to carry out suicide. And then, while Su Clansancy was on the then, while Su Clansancy was on the then, while Su Clansancy was on the stand, there was this shocking back and stand, there was this shocking back and stand, there was this shocking back and forth that caused [music] a dust up in forth that caused [music] a dust up in forth that caused [music] a dust up in the courtroom. While being questioned by the courtroom. While being questioned by the courtroom. While being questioned by the prosecution, Sue Clancy confirmed the prosecution, Sue Clancy confirmed the prosecution, Sue Clancy confirmed she is of the Catholic faith. And then she is of the Catholic faith. And then she is of the Catholic faith. And then in what seemed to be this out of the in what seemed to be this out of the in what seemed to be this out of the left field question, the prosecutor left field question, the prosecutor left field question, the prosecutor said, "So you're aware murder is said, "So you're aware murder is said, "So you're aware murder is considered to be a mortal sin." And the considered to be a mortal sin." And the considered to be a mortal sin." And the judge immediately shut that down. He judge immediately shut that down. He judge immediately shut that down. He called an immediate sidebar with the

called an immediate sidebar with the called an immediate sidebar with the attorneys and later instructed the jury attorneys and later instructed the jury attorneys and later instructed the jury that they cannot include that when they that they cannot include that when they that they cannot include that when they are considering a verdict. But they are considering a verdict. But they are considering a verdict. But they can't unhear that. can't unhear that. can't unhear that. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> The defense's case also gave us our >> The defense's case also gave us our >> The defense's case also gave us our first insight into conversations Lindsay first insight into conversations Lindsay first insight into conversations Lindsay had with the doctor right after the had with the doctor right after the had with the doctor right after the [music] murders while she was still in [music] murders while she was still in [music] murders while she was still in the hospital recovering. Dr. Paul Zisel the hospital recovering. Dr. Paul Zisel the hospital recovering. Dr. Paul Zisel testified he has seen Lindsay more than testified he has seen Lindsay more than testified he has seen Lindsay more than 45 times. [music] And in the days after 45 times. [music] And in the days after 45 times. [music] And in the days after the murders when he first saw her in the the murders when he first saw her in the the murders when he first saw her in the hospital, he said she [music] was not hospital, he said she [music] was not hospital, he said she [music] was not faking it and presented as honest. He faking it and presented as honest. He faking it and presented as honest. He said someone who struggles with said someone who struggles with said someone who struggles with psychosis can have what he described as psychosis can have what he described as psychosis can have what he described as these intermittent symptoms where one these intermittent symptoms where one these intermittent symptoms where one day they're fine, the next day [music] day they're fine, the next day [music] day they're fine, the next day [music] they're not. The prosecution has argued they're not. The prosecution has argued they're not. The prosecution has argued as part of their case that Lindsay as part of their case that Lindsay as part of their case that Lindsay Clancy only reported hearing voices Clancy only reported hearing voices Clancy only reported hearing voices after meeting with Dr. Zizel in the after meeting with Dr. Zizel in the after meeting with Dr. Zizel in the hospital. The defense has said that is hospital. The defense has said that is hospital. The defense has said that is not true and has repeatedly said she had not true and has repeatedly said she had not true and has repeatedly said she had a psychotic break and followed what the a psychotic break and followed what the a psychotic break and followed what the voices were telling her to do, which was voices were telling her to do, which was voices were telling her to do, which was to kill the kids and then kill herself. to kill the kids and then kill herself. to kill the kids and then kill herself. To fully understand this trial, we need To fully understand this trial, we need To fully understand this trial, we need to know Lindsay's thoughts before the to know Lindsay's thoughts before the to know Lindsay's thoughts before the crime. We've heard a lot about what she crime. We've heard a lot about what she crime. We've heard a lot about what she told doctors and family, but what was told doctors and family, but what was told doctors and family, but what was she actually thinking herself? Well, she actually thinking herself? Well, she actually thinking herself? Well, that became clearer when state police that became clearer when state police that became clearer when state police sergeant Timothy Chiaini took the stand sergeant Timothy Chiaini took the stand sergeant Timothy Chiaini took the stand about his forensic search of Lindsay about his forensic search of Lindsay about his forensic search of Lindsay Clancy's cell phone. Now, that revealed Clancy's cell phone. Now, that revealed Clancy's cell phone. Now, that revealed what she was researching and looking up what she was researching and looking up what she was researching and looking up before the killings, [music] and it was before the killings, [music] and it was before the killings, [music] and it was highly concerning. He testified Lindsay highly concerning. He testified Lindsay highly concerning. He testified Lindsay researched can you treat a sociopath researched can you treat a sociopath researched can you treat a sociopath just 4 days before the murders. He also just 4 days before the murders. He also just 4 days before the murders. He also said searches on her phone showed how to

said searches on her phone showed how to said searches on her phone showed how to slit throat to die and how to turn slit throat to die and how to turn slit throat to die and how to turn airbags off in Kia Sarrento. [music] airbags off in Kia Sarrento. [music] airbags off in Kia Sarrento. [music] And Readington wanted the court to see And Readington wanted the court to see And Readington wanted the court to see and the jury to see that she was looking and the jury to see that she was looking and the jury to see that she was looking up ways to self harm before this. He up ways to self harm before this. He up ways to self harm before this. He wanted to make it a point so much so wanted to make it a point so much so wanted to make it a point so much so that he actually held up a giant poster that he actually held up a giant poster that he actually held up a giant poster board so everyone [music] could see it. board so everyone [music] could see it. board so everyone [music] could see it. Now, we don't know yet if Lindsay Clancy Now, we don't know yet if Lindsay Clancy Now, we don't know yet if Lindsay Clancy will take the stand herself in this will take the stand herself in this will take the stand herself in this trial, but I think for context in this trial, but I think for context in this trial, but I think for context in this episode, [music] you guys need to hear episode, [music] you guys need to hear episode, [music] you guys need to hear what she says happened that day from her what she says happened that day from her what she says happened that day from her perspective the day of the murders. And perspective the day of the murders. And perspective the day of the murders. And we know what that is because [music] we know what that is because [music] we know what that is because [music] it's all documented in her civil it's all documented in her civil it's all documented in her civil lawsuit. Lindsay Clancy remembers January 24th a Lindsay Clancy remembers January 24th a little differently than just taking Kora little differently than just taking Kora little differently than just taking Kora to the doctor and building a snowman to the doctor and building a snowman to the doctor and building a snowman with the kids. Her civil lawsuit alleges with the kids. Her civil lawsuit alleges with the kids. Her civil lawsuit alleges she woke up with suicidal thoughts and she woke up with suicidal thoughts and she woke up with suicidal thoughts and those continued throughout the day. Now, those continued throughout the day. Now, those continued throughout the day. Now, she said later that afternoon she heard she said later that afternoon she heard she said later that afternoon she heard a voice that was starting to tell her, a voice that was starting to tell her, a voice that was starting to tell her, "You should harm the children." It "You should harm the children." It "You should harm the children." It wasn't long after she heard that voice wasn't long after she heard that voice wasn't long after she heard that voice that she and Patrick were discussing that she and Patrick were discussing that she and Patrick were discussing getting take out for dinner. and she getting take out for dinner. and she getting take out for dinner. and she claims she mapped out how long it would claims she mapped out how long it would claims she mapped out how long it would take him to get to all the errands take him to get to all the errands take him to get to all the errands because she didn't want to be alone for because she didn't want to be alone for because she didn't want to be alone for too long at home in case she needed too long at home in case she needed too long at home in case she needed help. Important note here though, the help. Important note here though, the help. Important note here though, the prosecution claims she mapped out how prosecution claims she mapped out how prosecution claims she mapped out how long it would take him to be gone so she long it would take him to be gone so she long it would take him to be gone so she knew how long she had to kill the kids knew how long she had to kill the kids knew how long she had to kill the kids because they say it was intentional and because they say it was intentional and because they say it was intentional and premeditated. The two sides very much premeditated. The two sides very much premeditated. The two sides very much disagree on her motive behind looking up disagree on her motive behind looking up disagree on her motive behind looking up the map directions. Lindsay then said the map directions. Lindsay then said the map directions. Lindsay then said after Patrick left, the voice in her

after Patrick left, the voice in her after Patrick left, the voice in her head was screaming at this point, head was screaming at this point, head was screaming at this point, saying, "This is your last chance. Kill saying, "This is your last chance. Kill saying, "This is your last chance. Kill the children so you can kill yourself. the children so you can kill yourself. the children so you can kill yourself. You have to kill the kids so you can You have to kill the kids so you can You have to kill the kids so you can kill yourself." [music] And according to kill yourself." [music] And according to kill yourself." [music] And according to the lawsuit, she then described feeling the lawsuit, she then described feeling the lawsuit, she then described feeling disconnected from her body, losing all disconnected from her body, losing all disconnected from her body, losing all control, and only being able to follow control, and only being able to follow control, and only being able to follow commands. Now, this part's really hard commands. Now, this part's really hard commands. Now, this part's really hard to hear. She said as she strangled each to hear. She said as she strangled each to hear. She said as she strangled each of her children, she said, "Go to God, of her children, she said, "Go to God, of her children, she said, "Go to God, baby." before slitting her wrist and baby." before slitting her wrist and baby." before slitting her wrist and neck [music] and then jumping from the neck [music] and then jumping from the neck [music] and then jumping from the window. Now, will she testify to this window. Now, will she testify to this window. Now, will she testify to this during trial? It is possible, especially during trial? It is possible, especially during trial? It is possible, especially with an insanity defense. Either way, with an insanity defense. Either way, with an insanity defense. Either way, the outcome of this is really a matter the outcome of this is really a matter the outcome of this is really a matter of if the jury believes her, believes of if the jury believes her, believes of if the jury believes her, believes her story believes her version of her story believes her version of her story believes her version of events. And they watched Lindsay events. And they watched Lindsay events. And they watched Lindsay uncontrollably sob in the courtroom uncontrollably sob in the courtroom uncontrollably sob in the courtroom during testimony about the autopsies of during testimony about the autopsies of during testimony about the autopsies of her children. online. Some trial her children. online. Some trial her children. online. Some trial watchers believe that was very genuine. watchers believe that was very genuine. watchers believe that was very genuine. Others believe it was fake. But what Others believe it was fake. But what Others believe it was fake. But what does the jury think? I personally think does the jury think? I personally think does the jury think? I personally think jury deliberations are going to be jury deliberations are going to be jury deliberations are going to be exceptionally tough. This case is just exceptionally tough. This case is just exceptionally tough. This case is just so complicated with such emotional so complicated with such emotional so complicated with such emotional devastation and honestly unique devastation and honestly unique devastation and honestly unique legalities that I could see the jury legalities that I could see the jury legalities that I could see the jury struggling to even agree on a verdict.

struggling to even agree on a verdict. struggling to even agree on a verdict. And I asked Cheryl Bader about it. Would And I asked Cheryl Bader about it. Would And I asked Cheryl Bader about it. Would you be surprised if we saw a hung jury you be surprised if we saw a hung jury you be surprised if we saw a hung jury in this case? I think a hung jury is in this case? I think a hung jury is in this case? I think a hung jury is certainly a possibility, but I think certainly a possibility, but I think certainly a possibility, but I think jurors want to be successful in their jurors want to be successful in their jurors want to be successful in their deliberation. They want to deliver a deliberation. They want to deliver a deliberation. They want to deliver a verdict and so I think they will try verdict and so I think they will try verdict and so I think they will try their hardest to come to some consensus. their hardest to come to some consensus. their hardest to come to some consensus. I'll also be interested to see does the I'll also be interested to see does the I'll also be interested to see does the prosecution or defense ask for a lesser prosecution or defense ask for a lesser prosecution or defense ask for a lesser included instruction on manslaughter to included instruction on manslaughter to included instruction on manslaughter to [music] present a compromise verdict to [music] present a compromise verdict to [music] present a compromise verdict to the jury. If Lindseay Clancy is found the jury. If Lindseay Clancy is found the jury. If Lindseay Clancy is found guilty of murder, she will spend the guilty of murder, she will spend the guilty of murder, she will spend the rest of her life in prison. If she is rest of her life in prison. If she is rest of her life in prison. If she is found not guilty by reason of insanity, found not guilty by reason of insanity, found not guilty by reason of insanity, she will be admitted into a psychiatric she will be admitted into a psychiatric she will be admitted into a psychiatric facility and will have to go through facility and will have to go through facility and will have to go through reviews to determine her mental state reviews to determine her mental state reviews to determine her mental state for possible freedom down the road. But for possible freedom down the road. But for possible freedom down the road. But she could be in a psychiatric facility she could be in a psychiatric facility she could be in a psychiatric facility indefinitely. If there is any sort of indefinitely. If there is any sort of indefinitely. If there is any sort of silver lining to any of this, the silver lining to any of this, the silver lining to any of this, the outcome of this trial could change outcome of this trial could change outcome of this trial could change women's healthcare, access to it, women's healthcare, access to it, women's healthcare, access to it, attention to it, and education. And I attention to it, and education. And I attention to it, and education. And I feel confident saying that this has feel confident saying that this has feel confident saying that this has shined a spotlight on such a heavy shined a spotlight on such a heavy shined a spotlight on such a heavy topic. Kora, Dawson, and Ken had their topic. Kora, Dawson, and Ken had their topic. Kora, Dawson, and Ken had their whole lives ahead of them. They should whole lives ahead of them. They should whole lives ahead of them. They should still be here. As the trial continues still be here. As the trial continues still be here. As the trial continues on, [music] I know you all are so on, [music] I know you all are so on, [music] I know you all are so invested. There are so many opinions, invested. There are so many opinions, invested. There are so many opinions, emotions, feelings, [music] beliefs, and emotions, feelings, [music] beliefs, and emotions, feelings, [music] beliefs, and we all are seeing it posted online. But we all are seeing it posted online. But we all are seeing it posted online. But I caution everyone to understand what is

I caution everyone to understand what is I caution everyone to understand what is and isn't reality. What's going on in and isn't reality. What's going on in and isn't reality. What's going on in that courtroom? the actual evidence the that courtroom? the actual evidence the that courtroom? the actual evidence the jury is hearing with no other outside jury is hearing with no other outside jury is hearing with no other outside noise. That is what will affect the noise. That is what will affect the noise. That is what will affect the outcome of this case. Their verdict will outcome of this case. Their verdict will outcome of this case. Their verdict will be based on evidence heard in court and be based on evidence heard in court and be based on evidence heard in court and in court only. Tik Tok, Instagram, in court only. Tik Tok, Instagram, in court only. Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook, and any other social media Facebook, and any other social media Facebook, and any other social media sites have no bearing on that decision. sites have no bearing on that decision. sites have no bearing on that decision. And I am right there with you. I'm And I am right there with you. I'm And I am right there with you. I'm watching these videos, seeing the watching these videos, seeing the watching these videos, seeing the opinions online. But even if thousands opinions online. But even if thousands opinions online. But even if thousands and thousands of people watching this and thousands of people watching this and thousands of people watching this speculate that things maybe aren't as speculate that things maybe aren't as speculate that things maybe aren't as they seem in this case or believe they seem in this case or believe they seem in this case or believe something else happened that day, in something else happened that day, in something else happened that day, in reality [music] reality [music] reality [music] that will not contribute to how this that will not contribute to how this that will not contribute to how this trial will end. But I do want to know trial will end. But I do want to know trial will end. But I do want to know what you think. I want you guys to what you think. I want you guys to what you think. I want you guys to comment on this video, share your comment on this video, share your comment on this video, share your thoughts, analyze the evidence. I mean, thoughts, analyze the evidence. I mean, thoughts, analyze the evidence. I mean, this has affected so many people this has affected so many people this has affected so many people watching it play out. And if I can leave watching it play out. And if I can leave watching it play out. And if I can leave you with something, [music] please, you with something, [music] please, you with something, [music] please, please, please, if you are somebody please, please, if you are somebody please, please, if you are somebody struggling with postpartum mental struggling with postpartum mental struggling with postpartum mental illness, please let people know what's illness, please let people know what's illness, please let people know what's going on and seek help. We are attaching going on and seek help. We are attaching going on and seek help. We are attaching resources to the show notes for help.

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