Warning: The Roger Hueber Investigation

Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. >> And I'm Brett. >> And I'm Brett. >> And I'm Brett. >> And the story I have for you today is >> And the story I have for you today is >> And the story I have for you today is true to the title. A warning for our true to the title. A warning for our true to the title. A warning for our viewers, especially the ones in New viewers, especially the ones in New viewers, especially the ones in New York, but a reminder for all crime York, but a reminder for all crime York, but a reminder for all crime junkies to be careful who you trust. So, junkies to be careful who you trust. So, junkies to be careful who you trust. So, let's dive in. Our story begins on January 6th, 2005 in Our story begins on January 6th, 2005 in Lockport, New York, which is this small Lockport, New York, which is this small Lockport, New York, which is this small city about 40 minutes outside of city about 40 minutes outside of city about 40 minutes outside of Buffalo. There is this 16-year-old Buffalo. There is this 16-year-old Buffalo. There is this 16-year-old special education student who I'm going special education student who I'm going special education student who I'm going to call Emily. She has been working with to call Emily. She has been working with to call Emily. She has been working with a school administrator on ways to like a school administrator on ways to like a school administrator on ways to like better express herself cuz she's going better express herself cuz she's going better express herself cuz she's going through a lot at home at the time. She's through a lot at home at the time. She's through a lot at home at the time. She's been dealing with a lot of trauma been dealing with a lot of trauma been dealing with a lot of trauma [music] and her multiple disabilities [music] and her multiple disabilities [music] and her multiple disabilities make it really hard for her to like work make it really hard for her to like work make it really hard for her to like work through that and process things like all through that and process things like all through that and process things like all the things going on around her. So, the things going on around her. So, the things going on around her. So, working with this person, this working with this person, this working with this person, this administrator and a psychologist, she administrator and a psychologist, she administrator and a psychologist, she begins to journal to try and get out the begins to journal to try and get out the begins to journal to try and get out the things that she's going through and things that she's going through and things that she's going through and feeling on paper. Maybe that would be an feeling on paper. Maybe that would be an feeling on paper. Maybe that would be an easier way for her to share information easier way for her to share information easier way for her to share information with them. And it is. [music] She writes with them. And it is. [music] She writes with them. And it is. [music] She writes about her home life, about the books about her home life, about the books about her home life, about the books that she reads, and about one of her few that she reads, and about one of her few that she reads, and about one of her few friends named [music] Megan. She's friends named [music] Megan. She's friends named [music] Megan. She's actually another female student in the actually another female student in the actually another female student in the high school special education program.

high school special education program. high school special education program. But what Emily is writing about her is But what Emily is writing about her is But what Emily is writing about her is deeply concerning because Emily writes deeply concerning because Emily writes deeply concerning because Emily writes that 17-year-old Megan is in a that 17-year-old Megan is in a that 17-year-old Megan is in a relationship with someone named Roger, relationship with someone named Roger, relationship with someone named Roger, an adult man who works in law an adult man who works in law an adult man who works in law enforcement. [music] And they have been enforcement. [music] And they have been enforcement. [music] And they have been doing things that apparently make Emily doing things that apparently make Emily doing things that apparently make Emily uncomfortable. And whatever it is was uncomfortable. And whatever it is was uncomfortable. And whatever it is was clearly intended to be kept secret clearly intended to be kept secret clearly intended to be kept secret because Roger specifically told Emily because Roger specifically told Emily because Roger specifically told Emily that this school administrator better that this school administrator better that this school administrator better not find out about him. Which, [music] not find out about him. Which, [music] not find out about him. Which, [music] as you can imagine, makes this as you can imagine, makes this as you can imagine, makes this administrator determined to find out not administrator determined to find out not administrator determined to find out not just about what's going on, but who just about what's going on, but who just about what's going on, but who exactly this Roger is. And she knows exactly this Roger is. And she knows exactly this Roger is. And she knows exactly who to ask because her husband exactly who to ask because her husband exactly who to ask because her husband is a deputy with the Niagara County is a deputy with the Niagara County is a deputy with the Niagara County Sheriff's Office, and he helps her Sheriff's Office, and he helps her Sheriff's Office, and he helps her connect the dots. Roger was apparently connect the dots. Roger was apparently connect the dots. Roger was apparently not a very common name in the area at not a very common name in the area at not a very common name in the area at that time. Law enforcement Roger is that time. Law enforcement Roger is that time. Law enforcement Roger is 41-year-old Roger Huber, who is employed 41-year-old Roger Huber, who is employed 41-year-old Roger Huber, who is employed by the same department, but he actually by the same department, but he actually by the same department, but he actually works as a correctional officer at the works as a correctional officer at the works as a correctional officer at the local jail. So, she calls the jail local jail. So, she calls the jail local jail. So, she calls the jail superintendent and keeps it simple. Tell superintendent and keeps it simple. Tell superintendent and keeps it simple. Tell Roger Huber to leave my students alone.

Roger Huber to leave my students alone. Roger Huber to leave my students alone. Now, at first, this administrator Now, at first, this administrator Now, at first, this administrator doesn't expect it to go any further than doesn't expect it to go any further than doesn't expect it to go any further than that. She assumes that the department that. She assumes that the department that. She assumes that the department will deal with it quietly, but someone will deal with it quietly, but someone will deal with it quietly, but someone at the jail takes it up the chain at the jail takes it up the chain at the jail takes it up the chain because pretty soon, an investigator because pretty soon, an investigator because pretty soon, an investigator from the sheriff's office, this guy from the sheriff's office, this guy from the sheriff's office, this guy named Joe Taylor, contacts her and says named Joe Taylor, contacts her and says named Joe Taylor, contacts her and says that he is formally investigating the that he is formally investigating the that he is formally investigating the allegations against Roger. allegations against Roger. allegations against Roger. >> Thank God. >> Thank God. >> Thank God. >> And good, because realistically, I mean, >> And good, because realistically, I mean, >> And good, because realistically, I mean, she was a mandatory reporter. Like, it she was a mandatory reporter. Like, it she was a mandatory reporter. Like, it should have been more official than should have been more official than should have been more official than that. And I actually checked with my that. And I actually checked with my that. And I actually checked with my sister-in-law who's a vice principal and sister-in-law who's a vice principal and sister-in-law who's a vice principal and she's like absolutely you're not she's like absolutely you're not she's like absolutely you're not supposed to like go investigate or see supposed to like go investigate or see supposed to like go investigate or see what's what. You just like you hear what's what. You just like you hear what's what. You just like you hear >> and that's Yeah. >> and that's Yeah. >> and that's Yeah. >> Yeah. So at least when it gets it gets >> Yeah. So at least when it gets it gets >> Yeah. So at least when it gets it gets told to them it it got up the chain. told to them it it got up the chain. told to them it it got up the chain. >> Now [music] here is where it gets >> Now [music] here is where it gets >> Now [music] here is where it gets tricky. The age of consent in New York tricky. The age of consent in New York tricky. The age of consent in New York is 17. So it's actually not illegal for is 17. So it's actually not illegal for is 17. So it's actually not illegal for Roger to be in a sexual relationship Roger to be in a sexual relationship Roger to be in a sexual relationship with 17-year-old high school student with 17-year-old high school student with 17-year-old high school student Megan. Megan. Megan. >> I mean not even if she's a special needs >> I mean not even if she's a special needs >> I mean not even if she's a special needs student. No, that is not a factor. It is student. No, that is not a factor. It is student. No, that is not a factor. It is only about age. So really, the only about age. So really, the only about age. So really, the investigation that ensues is just trying investigation that ensues is just trying investigation that ensues is just trying to determine if the relationship started to determine if the relationship started to determine if the relationship started before Megan was 17. Now Joe Taylor before Megan was 17. Now Joe Taylor before Megan was 17. Now Joe Taylor tries to go right to the source with tries to go right to the source with tries to go right to the source with Megan. He reaches out to a woman that he Megan. He reaches out to a woman that he Megan. He reaches out to a woman that he describes as the mother figure of describes as the mother figure of describes as the mother figure of Megan's house. But that woman says that Megan's house. But that woman says that Megan's house. But that woman says that talking to Megan is probably going to be talking to Megan is probably going to be talking to Megan is probably going to be a waste of his time because according to a waste of his time because according to a waste of his time because according to her, Megan would never be honest about her, Megan would never be honest about her, Megan would never be honest about what is going on between her and Roger.

what is going on between her and Roger. what is going on between her and Roger. >> She would protect him. >> She would protect him. >> She would protect him. >> Yeah. Based on the little snippet we got >> Yeah. Based on the little snippet we got >> Yeah. Based on the little snippet we got from Emily's diary, I'm sure that he has from Emily's diary, I'm sure that he has from Emily's diary, I'm sure that he has made it very clear to Megan because he made it very clear to Megan because he made it very clear to Megan because he made it clear to Emily that people made it clear to Emily that people made it clear to Emily that people shouldn't know about their relationship. shouldn't know about their relationship. shouldn't know about their relationship. So, investigator Taylor decides to go So, investigator Taylor decides to go So, investigator Taylor decides to go directly to Roger with the allegations directly to Roger with the allegations directly to Roger with the allegations instead. [music] instead. [music] instead. [music] Now, when he asked the jail supervisor Now, when he asked the jail supervisor Now, when he asked the jail supervisor to send Roger over to the criminal to send Roger over to the criminal to send Roger over to the criminal bureau, it's casual. Like, Taylor bureau, it's casual. Like, Taylor bureau, it's casual. Like, Taylor doesn't have enough to charge him or doesn't have enough to charge him or doesn't have enough to charge him or arrest him or even mirandize him. Like, arrest him or even mirandize him. Like, arrest him or even mirandize him. Like, this is just a [music] chat. this is just a [music] chat. this is just a [music] chat. >> But he asked Roger how he knows Megan. >> But he asked Roger how he knows Megan. >> But he asked Roger how he knows Megan. And Roger says that, you know, he's And Roger says that, you know, he's And Roger says that, you know, he's known it for like six or seven years known it for like six or seven years known it for like six or seven years since back in 1998 when she would have since back in 1998 when she would have since back in 1998 when she would have been about 10 or 11 years old. And she's been about 10 or 11 years old. And she's been about 10 or 11 years old. And she's really close with the family now because really close with the family now because really close with the family now because she is friends with Roger's 13-year-old she is friends with Roger's 13-year-old she is friends with Roger's 13-year-old son. And she's over at his house almost son. And she's over at his house almost son. And she's over at his house almost every day, babysitting his 8-year-old every day, babysitting his 8-year-old every day, babysitting his 8-year-old daughter. daughter. daughter. >> Wait, is there a Mrs. Huber in the >> Wait, is there a Mrs. Huber in the >> Wait, is there a Mrs. Huber in the picture? picture? picture? >> Uh, not technically then. So, he had >> Uh, not technically then. So, he had >> Uh, not technically then. So, he had been married before, though. Like that been married before, though. Like that been married before, though. Like that is who he had three of his four kids is who he had three of his four kids is who he had three of his four kids with. Then [music] his fourth kid, the with. Then [music] his fourth kid, the with. Then [music] his fourth kid, the 8-year-old, he had with this long-term 8-year-old, he had with this long-term 8-year-old, he had with this long-term girlfriend who did live with him when girlfriend who did live with him when girlfriend who did live with him when this was all going down in 2005. Now, in this was all going down in 2005. Now, in this was all going down in 2005. Now, in the end, Roger denies ever having a the end, Roger denies ever having a the end, Roger denies ever having a sexual relationship with Megan and even sexual relationship with Megan and even sexual relationship with Megan and even agrees to take a voice stress test agrees to take a voice stress test agrees to take a voice stress test before investigator Taylor lets him go.

before investigator Taylor lets him go. before investigator Taylor lets him go. >> Okay, but I want to know what his living >> Okay, but I want to know what his living >> Okay, but I want to know what his living girlfriend has to say about all this. girlfriend has to say about all this. girlfriend has to say about all this. >> Taylor does, too. But it has to be >> Taylor does, too. But it has to be >> Taylor does, too. But it has to be handled the right way because Taylor handled the right way because Taylor handled the right way because Taylor quickly learns how complicated things quickly learns how complicated things quickly learns how complicated things are. So his girlfriend is 33-year-old are. So his girlfriend is 33-year-old are. So his girlfriend is 33-year-old Cheryl Ruchcci. And Cheryl, like Megan Cheryl Ruchcci. And Cheryl, like Megan Cheryl Ruchcci. And Cheryl, like Megan and Emily, had a learning disability and Emily, had a learning disability and Emily, had a learning disability that affected her mental development. So that affected her mental development. So that affected her mental development. So even at 33, her cousin, who we spoke to, even at 33, her cousin, who we spoke to, even at 33, her cousin, who we spoke to, put her mental age at about 16. And it put her mental age at about 16. And it put her mental age at about 16. And it seems like Roger manipulated her into seems like Roger manipulated her into seems like Roger manipulated her into being both victim [music] and being both victim [music] and being both victim [music] and perpetrator. You see, Cheryl's mom and perpetrator. You see, Cheryl's mom and perpetrator. You see, Cheryl's mom and stepdad are corrections officers, and stepdad are corrections officers, and stepdad are corrections officers, and they worked in the same department as they worked in the same department as they worked in the same department as Roger when Cheryl was growing up. Her Roger when Cheryl was growing up. Her Roger when Cheryl was growing up. Her brother is even a corrections officer brother is even a corrections officer brother is even a corrections officer now, too. By the time Cheryl was 15 or now, too. By the time Cheryl was 15 or now, too. By the time Cheryl was 15 or 16, Roger was divorced, and Cheryl 16, Roger was divorced, and Cheryl 16, Roger was divorced, and Cheryl started babysitting Roger's kids, started babysitting Roger's kids, started babysitting Roger's kids, sometimes at Roger's house. sometimes at Roger's house. sometimes at Roger's house. >> You mean like Megan did? >> You mean like Megan did? >> You mean like Megan did? >> Yeah. So, fast forward about 10 years to >> Yeah. So, fast forward about 10 years to >> Yeah. So, fast forward about 10 years to when Cheryl is 25. She's then living when Cheryl is 25. She's then living when Cheryl is 25. She's then living with Roger, having a baby with him, and with Roger, having a baby with him, and with Roger, having a baby with him, and being a full-time stay-at-home mom to being a full-time stay-at-home mom to being a full-time stay-at-home mom to his three other kids. Like, she has her his three other kids. Like, she has her his three other kids. Like, she has her baby in 1997. 1998 is when he meets baby in 1997. 1998 is when he meets baby in 1997. 1998 is when he meets Megan.

Megan. Megan. >> I mean, this feels like a cycle of >> I mean, this feels like a cycle of >> I mean, this feels like a cycle of grooming. grooming. grooming. >> But there are more than just Cheryl >> But there are more than just Cheryl >> But there are more than just Cheryl [music] and Megan in it. And the way [music] and Megan in it. And the way [music] and Megan in it. And the way that he would use one victim to prey on that he would use one victim to prey on that he would use one victim to prey on the next, I think, is part of the the next, I think, is part of the the next, I think, is part of the process as well. process as well. process as well. So, investigator Taylor ends up learning So, investigator Taylor ends up learning So, investigator Taylor ends up learning that while Emily may have just written that while Emily may have just written that while Emily may have just written in her journal about [music] Megan, in her journal about [music] Megan, in her journal about [music] Megan, Roger has been sexually aggressive with Roger has been sexually aggressive with Roger has been sexually aggressive with her, too. She says that over the summer, her, too. She says that over the summer, her, too. She says that over the summer, Roger played a pornographic movie in Roger played a pornographic movie in Roger played a pornographic movie in front of her and asked her to show him front of her and asked her to show him front of her and asked her to show him her breasts. And another time, Roger her breasts. And another time, Roger her breasts. And another time, Roger took her and some other minors out on a took her and some other minors out on a took her and some other minors out on a motorboat to go tubing. Cheryl was motorboat to go tubing. Cheryl was motorboat to go tubing. Cheryl was there, some other adults, too, and there there, some other adults, too, and there there, some other adults, too, and there was alcohol on board. and at least one was alcohol on board. and at least one was alcohol on board. and at least one minor was drinking. But when they got minor was drinking. But when they got minor was drinking. But when they got out on the water, you know, basically out on the water, you know, basically out on the water, you know, basically stuck with no way to get away, Roger, stuck with no way to get away, Roger, stuck with no way to get away, Roger, Cheryl, and the other adults got naked Cheryl, and the other adults got naked Cheryl, and the other adults got naked [music] in front of these minors. [music] in front of these minors. [music] in front of these minors. Roger also exposed himself another time Roger also exposed himself another time Roger also exposed himself another time to Emily. One New Year's Eve, he took to Emily. One New Year's Eve, he took to Emily. One New Year's Eve, he took her and Megan to a movie, and after they her and Megan to a movie, and after they her and Megan to a movie, and after they all went to a motel, and when Megan went all went to a motel, and when Megan went all went to a motel, and when Megan went out to get a drink, [music] that's when out to get a drink, [music] that's when out to get a drink, [music] that's when he exposed himself. And we know by that he exposed himself. And we know by that he exposed himself. And we know by that point Roger had already had sexual point Roger had already had sexual point Roger had already had sexual contact with Megan because through his contact with Megan because through his contact with Megan because through his investigation, Taylor learns that sexual investigation, Taylor learns that sexual investigation, Taylor learns that sexual contact with her began in the spring or contact with her began in the spring or contact with her began in the spring or summer of 2004 when she possibly wasn't summer of 2004 when she possibly wasn't summer of 2004 when she possibly wasn't 17 yet. And he told of a time in 17 yet. And he told of a time in 17 yet. And he told of a time in December that Roger had sexual contact

December that Roger had sexual contact December that Roger had sexual contact with Megan at a gym in front of her with Megan at a gym in front of her with Megan at a gym in front of her 12-year-old cousin and in the presence 12-year-old cousin and in the presence 12-year-old cousin and in the presence of a 2-year-old, of a 2-year-old, of a 2-year-old, >> which is like conditioning these other >> which is like conditioning these other >> which is like conditioning these other kids to think that this is all normal. kids to think that this is all normal. kids to think that this is all normal. >> That is exactly what I'm saying. It >> That is exactly what I'm saying. It >> That is exactly what I'm saying. It wasn't just a single person [music] wasn't just a single person [music] wasn't just a single person [music] caught in Roger's web, but at the center caught in Roger's web, but at the center caught in Roger's web, but at the center of it with him was Cheryl Ruchcci. of it with him was Cheryl Ruchcci. of it with him was Cheryl Ruchcci. except it seems like she [music] was except it seems like she [music] was except it seems like she [music] was ready to break the cycle of abuse. By ready to break the cycle of abuse. By ready to break the cycle of abuse. By the time investigator Taylor sits down the time investigator Taylor sits down the time investigator Taylor sits down with her, she says that she has just with her, she says that she has just with her, she says that she has just left Roger because he told her that he left Roger because he told her that he left Roger because he told her that he didn't love her anymore. And according didn't love her anymore. And according didn't love her anymore. And according to her cousin, Roger was really ugly to to her cousin, Roger was really ugly to to her cousin, Roger was really ugly to Cheryl during this time. So maybe that's Cheryl during this time. So maybe that's Cheryl during this time. So maybe that's why Cheryl is even willing to talk to why Cheryl is even willing to talk to why Cheryl is even willing to talk to Taylor. Maybe the fact that she's now Taylor. Maybe the fact that she's now Taylor. Maybe the fact that she's now fighting for custody of her own fighting for custody of her own fighting for custody of her own 8-year-old daughter, who would be in a 8-year-old daughter, who would be in a 8-year-old daughter, who would be in a house alone with Roger, is why she house alone with Roger, is why she house alone with Roger, is why she shares a bombshell that will do Roger in shares a bombshell that will do Roger in shares a bombshell that will do Roger in for good. Probably something that Roger for good. Probably something that Roger for good. Probably something that Roger thought she would have taken to her thought she would have taken to her thought she would have taken to her grave.

In the parks and forest you love, there In the parks and forest you love, there are stories waiting to be told. I'm are stories waiting to be told. I'm are stories waiting to be told. I'm Dillia Deira, the host of Park Dillia Deira, the host of Park Dillia Deira, the host of Park Predators, a true crime podcast that Predators, a true crime podcast that Predators, a true crime podcast that reminds you sometimes the most beautiful reminds you sometimes the most beautiful reminds you sometimes the most beautiful places hide the darkest secrets. Listen places hide the darkest secrets. Listen places hide the darkest secrets. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. Cheryl Ruchi tells investigator Taylor Cheryl Ruchi tells investigator Taylor that in the summer of 1999, that in the summer of 1999, that in the summer of 1999, she and Roger sexually assaulted a she and Roger sexually assaulted a she and Roger sexually assaulted a [music] 14-year-old girl together. Like [music] 14-year-old girl together. Like [music] 14-year-old girl together. Like a broken record, the story goes like a broken record, the story goes like a broken record, the story goes like this. Roger was close with the girl's this. Roger was close with the girl's this. Roger was close with the girl's family. He'd known her since she was a family. He'd known her since she was a family. He'd known her since she was a baby. She was in his orbit well before baby. She was in his orbit well before baby. She was in his orbit well before it happened. He made her family feel it happened. He made her family feel it happened. He made her family feel comfortable with him, made this child comfortable with him, made this child comfortable with him, made this child feel comfortable with him, before he and feel comfortable with him, before he and feel comfortable with him, before he and Cheryl abused her. Cheryl gives enough Cheryl abused her. Cheryl gives enough Cheryl abused her. Cheryl gives enough details and specifications that she details and specifications that she details and specifications that she essentially hands Roger over to them on essentially hands Roger over to them on essentially hands Roger over to them on a silver platter. But in doing so, she a silver platter. But in doing so, she a silver platter. But in doing so, she is basically signing herself up for the is basically signing herself up for the is basically signing herself up for the same fate, same fate, same fate, >> right? Did she realize that she [music] >> right? Did she realize that she [music] >> right? Did she realize that she [music] was doing that when she was talking to was doing that when she was talking to was doing that when she was talking to them?

them? them? >> I think she did. I mean, she didn't have >> I think she did. I mean, she didn't have >> I think she did. I mean, she didn't have a lawyer or anything when she talked to a lawyer or anything when she talked to a lawyer or anything when she talked to them. So, I don't know how much she them. So, I don't know how much she them. So, I don't know how much she contemplated like or how much she could contemplated like or how much she could contemplated like or how much she could contemplate the repercussions that might contemplate the repercussions that might contemplate the repercussions that might come from this, but I think she was come from this, but I think she was come from this, but I think she was driven to confess out [music] of fear. driven to confess out [music] of fear. driven to confess out [music] of fear. Her family felt that for her whole adult Her family felt that for her whole adult Her family felt that for her whole adult life, Roger had his thumb on her. They life, Roger had his thumb on her. They life, Roger had his thumb on her. They told us that while she worked on and off told us that while she worked on and off told us that while she worked on and off a little bit throughout her life, she a little bit throughout her life, she a little bit throughout her life, she never really had a steady job. She'd never really had a steady job. She'd never really had a steady job. She'd always been easily manipulated and always been easily manipulated and always been easily manipulated and controlled by Roger, both financially controlled by Roger, both financially controlled by Roger, both financially and emotionally. And her cousin, who we and emotionally. And her cousin, who we and emotionally. And her cousin, who we spoke to, said that they never saw any spoke to, said that they never saw any spoke to, said that they never saw any sign of physical abuse, but Cheryl was sign of physical abuse, but Cheryl was sign of physical abuse, but Cheryl was clearly afraid of the guy and he had clearly afraid of the guy and he had clearly afraid of the guy and he had threatened to take their daughter away threatened to take their daughter away threatened to take their daughter away from her. And I think the fear of losing from her. And I think the fear of losing from her. And I think the fear of losing her daughter, of what would happen to her daughter, of what would happen to her daughter, of what would happen to her daughter, that could have been the her daughter, that could have been the her daughter, that could have been the big driver of why she was willing to big driver of why she was willing to big driver of why she was willing to confess, no matter what it meant for confess, no matter what it meant for confess, no matter what it meant for her. Now, of course, when investigator her. Now, of course, when investigator her. Now, of course, when investigator Taylor confronts Roger with this in a Taylor confronts Roger with this in a Taylor confronts Roger with this in a formal interview on March 15th, he formal interview on March 15th, he formal interview on March 15th, he denies all the allegations against him.

denies all the allegations against him. denies all the allegations against him. Like, sure, yeah, he knows this girl, Like, sure, yeah, he knows this girl, Like, sure, yeah, he knows this girl, like he was at all these places, but like he was at all these places, but like he was at all these places, but like all of it's totally innocent. and like all of it's totally innocent. and like all of it's totally innocent. and he says like nothing to see here. But he says like nothing to see here. But he says like nothing to see here. But the thing is they don't need him to the thing is they don't need him to the thing is they don't need him to confess. They have enough by that point confess. They have enough by that point confess. They have enough by that point to arrest him on felony sex crime to arrest him on felony sex crime to arrest him on felony sex crime charges tied to the 1999 allegations charges tied to the 1999 allegations charges tied to the 1999 allegations that Cheryl told them about. But that that Cheryl told them about. But that that Cheryl told them about. But that means that what they will need is Cheryl means that what they will need is Cheryl means that what they will need is Cheryl to testify against him. So probably to testify against him. So probably to testify against him. So probably deciding that she was the lesser threat deciding that she was the lesser threat deciding that she was the lesser threat of the two, they offer her a plea deal of the two, they offer her a plea deal of the two, they offer her a plea deal if she will agree to testify against if she will agree to testify against if she will agree to testify against Roger, which her family said that she Roger, which her family said that she Roger, which her family said that she was planning to take so that she could was planning to take so that she could was planning to take so that she could be with her own daughter. Now, we don't be with her own daughter. Now, we don't be with her own daughter. Now, we don't know the exact details of the [music] know the exact details of the [music] know the exact details of the [music] deal. Investigators wouldn't confirm deal. Investigators wouldn't confirm deal. Investigators wouldn't confirm anything to us other than the fact that anything to us other than the fact that anything to us other than the fact that there was a deal. there was a deal. there was a deal. >> Is it not documented somewhere? So, it >> Is it not documented somewhere? So, it >> Is it not documented somewhere? So, it might be, but the DA's office won't might be, but the DA's office won't might be, but the DA's office won't release anything related to Cheryl's release anything related to Cheryl's release anything related to Cheryl's case [music] to us. But here's what I case [music] to us. But here's what I case [music] to us. But here's what I know. So, on August 9th, 2005, [music] know. So, on August 9th, 2005, [music] know. So, on August 9th, 2005, [music] Cheryl was at this cookout at her Cheryl was at this cookout at her Cheryl was at this cookout at her apartment complex. And according to her apartment complex. And according to her apartment complex. And according to her family, some friends told her that family, some friends told her that family, some friends told her that Niagara County Sheriff's deputies had Niagara County Sheriff's deputies had Niagara County Sheriff's deputies had been there earlier looking for her. They been there earlier looking for her. They been there earlier looking for her. They were trying to serve her with a subpoena were trying to serve her with a subpoena were trying to serve her with a subpoena to testify before the grand jury.

to testify before the grand jury. to testify before the grand jury. Apparently, Cheryl got upset. She Apparently, Cheryl got upset. She Apparently, Cheryl got upset. She started calling family, including her started calling family, including her started calling family, including her mom, but no one [music] picked up. She mom, but no one [music] picked up. She mom, but no one [music] picked up. She left her mom a voicemail asking her to left her mom a voicemail asking her to left her mom a voicemail asking her to call back. But when her mom eventually call back. But when her mom eventually call back. But when her mom eventually gets that message and tries, she can't gets that message and tries, she can't gets that message and tries, she can't get a hold of Cheryl. [music] So, her get a hold of Cheryl. [music] So, her get a hold of Cheryl. [music] So, her family starts looking for her. They family starts looking for her. They family starts looking for her. They start calling around. And by the next start calling around. And by the next start calling around. And by the next night, August 10th, [music] they report night, August 10th, [music] they report night, August 10th, [music] they report her missing cuz no one can find her. And her missing cuz no one can find her. And her missing cuz no one can find her. And to them, the circumstances are deeply to them, the circumstances are deeply to them, the circumstances are deeply concerning. Like we're talking about a concerning. Like we're talking about a concerning. Like we're talking about a witness in a sex abuse case against a witness in a sex abuse case against a witness in a sex abuse case against a corrections officer who just disappeared corrections officer who just disappeared corrections officer who just disappeared before she could testify against him. before she could testify against him. before she could testify against him. But her family told us that authorities But her family told us that authorities But her family told us that authorities did not view the circumstances in the did not view the circumstances in the did not view the circumstances in the same light they did. They all met at same light they did. They all met at same light they did. They all met at Cheryl's apartment to look for her that Cheryl's apartment to look for her that Cheryl's apartment to look for her that night, family and law enforcement. And night, family and law enforcement. And night, family and law enforcement. And there were no signs of a struggle. there were no signs of a struggle. there were no signs of a struggle. Nothing was a mess. And even though they Nothing was a mess. And even though they Nothing was a mess. And even though they took some investigative steps you would took some investigative steps you would took some investigative steps you would expect for a missing person's case, like expect for a missing person's case, like expect for a missing person's case, like taking items from her place for testing. taking items from her place for testing. taking items from her place for testing. They ran, you know, canines trying to They ran, you know, canines trying to They ran, you know, canines trying to track her scent, a family member said track her scent, a family member said track her scent, a family member said that they were told that Cheryl probably that they were told that Cheryl probably that they were told that Cheryl probably just ran away to avoid testifying. More just ran away to avoid testifying. More just ran away to avoid testifying. More than that, an investigator apparently than that, an investigator apparently than that, an investigator apparently told Cheryl's sister that Cheryl was told Cheryl's sister that Cheryl was told Cheryl's sister that Cheryl was just a crackhead [ __ ] And if they give just a crackhead [ __ ] And if they give just a crackhead [ __ ] And if they give him 10 days, he'll find her body in him 10 days, he'll find her body in him 10 days, he'll find her body in Niagara Falls. What? Well, 10 days come Niagara Falls. What? Well, 10 days come Niagara Falls. What? Well, 10 days come and [music] go. And guess what? No and [music] go. And guess what? No and [music] go. And guess what? No Cheryl. So now she's not only missing,

Cheryl. So now she's not only missing, Cheryl. So now she's not only missing, she will eventually get listed as a she will eventually get listed as a she will eventually get listed as a fugitive. [music] fugitive. [music] fugitive. [music] >> And does this department know about >> And does this department know about >> And does this department know about Roger's case? Like the details, the fact Roger's case? Like the details, the fact Roger's case? Like the details, the fact that she's the witness. that she's the witness. that she's the witness. >> Brit, it is being handled by the same >> Brit, it is being handled by the same >> Brit, it is being handled by the same department. And this is the same department. And this is the same department. And this is the same department I like to remind you that department I like to remind you that department I like to remind you that Roger worked for. Roger worked for. Roger worked for. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And [laughter] Okay. Do they not believe >> And [laughter] Okay. Do they not believe >> And [laughter] Okay. Do they not believe in like a conflict of interest in New in like a conflict of interest in New in like a conflict of interest in New York? York? York? >> I don't know how this is flying, it's >> I don't know how this is flying, it's >> I don't know how this is flying, it's kind of unbelievable. kind of unbelievable. kind of unbelievable. >> Yeah. Now, I do need to say that while >> Yeah. Now, I do need to say that while >> Yeah. Now, I do need to say that while the family says that law enforcement the family says that law enforcement the family says that law enforcement seemed to have a onetrack mind and write seemed to have a onetrack mind and write seemed to have a onetrack mind and write Cheryl off as a fugitive in the wind, Cheryl off as a fugitive in the wind, Cheryl off as a fugitive in the wind, the current investigator told us that the current investigator told us that the current investigator told us that all possibilities, including foul play, all possibilities, including foul play, all possibilities, including foul play, were explored from the jump. Either way, were explored from the jump. Either way, were explored from the jump. Either way, Cheryl's disappearance doesn't actually Cheryl's disappearance doesn't actually Cheryl's disappearance doesn't actually stop the case against Roger from moving stop the case against Roger from moving stop the case against Roger from moving forward. Investigator Taylor is allowed forward. Investigator Taylor is allowed forward. Investigator Taylor is allowed to read Cheryl's written statement to to read Cheryl's written statement to to read Cheryl's written statement to the jurors. And by the time it gets to the jurors. And by the time it gets to the jurors. And by the time it gets to that, they have built out a bigger that, they have built out a bigger that, they have built out a bigger picture of what Roger had been doing.

picture of what Roger had been doing. picture of what Roger had been doing. All the stuff with Megan, Emily, the All the stuff with Megan, Emily, the All the stuff with Megan, Emily, the boat, the alcohol, the motel, that was boat, the alcohol, the motel, that was boat, the alcohol, the motel, that was all going to be part of their case now, all going to be part of their case now, all going to be part of their case now, too. and Emily, the student whose too. and Emily, the student whose too. and Emily, the student whose journal started this whole thing, she journal started this whole thing, she journal started this whole thing, she was expected to be a witness in [music] was expected to be a witness in [music] was expected to be a witness in [music] the case. So, even without Cheryl there the case. So, even without Cheryl there the case. So, even without Cheryl there in the flesh, on September 1st, the in the flesh, on September 1st, the in the flesh, on September 1st, the grand jury who was presented the case grand jury who was presented the case grand jury who was presented the case against Roger indictes him on 21 counts. against Roger indictes him on 21 counts. against Roger indictes him on 21 counts. I'm not going to read every single one I'm not going to read every single one I'm not going to read every single one because it's a lot, but I'll give you because it's a lot, but I'll give you because it's a lot, but I'll give you like the highlights from the 20 that like the highlights from the 20 that like the highlights from the 20 that actually stick. actually stick. actually stick. There are multiple counts of rape, There are multiple counts of rape, There are multiple counts of rape, sodomy, sexual abuse tied to that 1999 sodomy, sexual abuse tied to that 1999 sodomy, sexual abuse tied to that 1999 allegation involving that 14-year-old allegation involving that 14-year-old allegation involving that 14-year-old girl. They also charge him with girl. They also charge him with girl. They also charge him with endangering the welfare of children, endangering the welfare of children, endangering the welfare of children, unlawfully dealing with a child for unlawfully dealing with a child for unlawfully dealing with a child for allegedly giving alcohol to a minor, allegedly giving alcohol to a minor, allegedly giving alcohol to a minor, criminal contempt for allegedly criminal contempt for allegedly criminal contempt for allegedly violating an order of protection, and a violating an order of protection, and a violating an order of protection, and a firearm charge connected to his job as firearm charge connected to his job as firearm charge connected to his job as [music] a peace officer. [music] a peace officer. [music] a peace officer. >> And you said indicted on 21, but only 20 >> And you said indicted on 21, but only 20 >> And you said indicted on 21, but only 20 stick. I got to know about the one that stick. I got to know about the one that stick. I got to know about the one that didn't stick. There was a charge related didn't stick. There was a charge related didn't stick. There was a charge related to the New Year's Eve incident with to the New Year's Eve incident with to the New Year's Eve incident with Emily and Megan in that motel room. It Emily and Megan in that motel room. It Emily and Megan in that motel room. It turns out the motel was in a different turns out the motel was in a different turns out the motel was in a different county, so that got dropped.

county, so that got dropped. county, so that got dropped. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Now, Roger pleads not guilty to all 20 >> Now, Roger pleads not guilty to all 20 >> Now, Roger pleads not guilty to all 20 counts. Roger makes bail. He walks out. counts. Roger makes bail. He walks out. counts. Roger makes bail. He walks out. >> But does he go home and sit on his hands >> But does he go home and sit on his hands >> But does he go home and sit on his hands and stay out of trouble while he waits and stay out of trouble while he waits and stay out of trouble while he waits for his day in court? No. for his day in court? No. for his day in court? No. >> Of course not. >> Of course not. >> Of course not. >> No, he does not. He starts trying to >> No, he does not. He starts trying to >> No, he does not. He starts trying to intimidate witnesses, [music] intimidate witnesses, [music] intimidate witnesses, [music] or at least one witness. Three different or at least one witness. Three different or at least one witness. Three different times over the course of a few weeks in times over the course of a few weeks in times over the course of a few weeks in December, [music] Emily saw Roger drive December, [music] Emily saw Roger drive December, [music] Emily saw Roger drive his green truck behind her while she was his green truck behind her while she was his green truck behind her while she was walking near his [music] street, and he walking near his [music] street, and he walking near his [music] street, and he would like swerve right at her, getting would like swerve right at her, getting would like swerve right at her, getting close enough that she could almost reach close enough that she could almost reach close enough that she could almost reach out and touch his vehicle. And there's out and touch his vehicle. And there's out and touch his vehicle. And there's like no question that this was him. I like no question that this was him. I like no question that this was him. I mean, for one, this man has a vanity mean, for one, this man has a vanity mean, for one, this man has a vanity plate that says Huber, but like also at plate that says Huber, but like also at plate that says Huber, but like also at least one of the times, Megan was in the least one of the times, Megan was in the least one of the times, Megan was in the passenger seat of the car when it came passenger seat of the car when it came passenger seat of the car when it came close to her. And Emily wrote in her close to her. And Emily wrote in her close to her. And Emily wrote in her journal that one time Megan approached journal that one time Megan approached journal that one time Megan approached her and threatened her to try and get her and threatened her to try and get her and threatened her to try and get her to change her testimony. her to change her testimony. her to change her testimony. >> I mean, it feels like he's using Megan >> I mean, it feels like he's using Megan >> I mean, it feels like he's using Megan like he used Cheryl. He's got her so like he used Cheryl. He's got her so like he used Cheryl. He's got her so wound up in his crosshairs that I think wound up in his crosshairs that I think wound up in his crosshairs that I think she sees Emily as the enemy. or at the she sees Emily as the enemy. or at the she sees Emily as the enemy. or at the very least she is willing to do Roger's very least she is willing to do Roger's very least she is willing to do Roger's bidding no matter how she sees Emily.

bidding no matter how she sees Emily. bidding no matter how she sees Emily. These incidents end up getting reported These incidents end up getting reported These incidents end up getting reported to authorities and prosecutors use this to authorities and prosecutors use this to authorities and prosecutors use this to get Roger's bail revoked. [music] And to get Roger's bail revoked. [music] And to get Roger's bail revoked. [music] And while he's sitting in prison, the case while he's sitting in prison, the case while he's sitting in prison, the case that his defense team was building that his defense team was building that his defense team was building really starts falling apart because they really starts falling apart because they really starts falling apart because they had a witness who I guess was there for had a witness who I guess was there for had a witness who I guess was there for the 1999 incident and originally gave the 1999 incident and originally gave the 1999 incident and originally gave the defense a signed statement saying the defense a signed statement saying the defense a signed statement saying that what Cheryl described never that what Cheryl described never that what Cheryl described never happened. But before we get to trial, happened. But before we get to trial, happened. But before we get to trial, that witness flips and she was going to that witness flips and she was going to that witness flips and she was going to testify that everything did happen testify that everything did happen testify that everything did happen exactly like Cheryl said it did. Why the exactly like Cheryl said it did. Why the exactly like Cheryl said it did. Why the change of heart right before trial? change of heart right before trial? change of heart right before trial? >> Well, apparently Roger's aranged >> Well, apparently Roger's aranged >> Well, apparently Roger's aranged daughter, so this would have been his daughter, so this would have been his daughter, so this would have been his daughter with his ex-wife, not the daughter with his ex-wife, not the daughter with his ex-wife, not the daughter he shares with Cheryl. She knew daughter he shares with Cheryl. She knew daughter he shares with Cheryl. She knew about this 1999 incident as well. And about this 1999 incident as well. And about this 1999 incident as well. And she told the witness that you like you she told the witness that you like you she told the witness that you like you shouldn't lie. Like you've got to tell shouldn't lie. Like you've got to tell shouldn't lie. Like you've got to tell them what happened. And [music] based on them what happened. And [music] based on them what happened. And [music] based on that, she decided to tell the truth. And that, she decided to tell the truth. And that, she decided to tell the truth. And Roger sees the writing on the wall after Roger sees the writing on the wall after Roger sees the writing on the wall after this. So this is when he decided to this. So this is when he decided to this. So this is when he decided to [music] take a plea. He pleads guilty to [music] take a plea. He pleads guilty to [music] take a plea. He pleads guilty to seconddegree attempted rape and two seconddegree attempted rape and two seconddegree attempted rape and two counts of endangering the welfare of a counts of endangering the welfare of a counts of endangering the welfare of a [music] child. And at his sentencing, [music] child. And at his sentencing, [music] child. And at his sentencing, which happens on June 5th, 2006, the which happens on June 5th, 2006, the which happens on June 5th, 2006, the judge tells him, "I think you are a judge tells him, "I think you are a judge tells him, "I think you are a threat. I think you are a predator. I threat. I think you are a predator. I threat. I think you are a predator. I think you prey on young girls. I think think you prey on young girls. I think think you prey on young girls. I think you have an inability almost to avoid

you have an inability almost to avoid you have an inability almost to avoid [music] that." And then the judge gives [music] that." And then the judge gives [music] that." And then the judge gives him the maximum sentence, which is 16 him the maximum sentence, which is 16 him the maximum sentence, which is 16 months to four years in state prison. months to four years in state prison. months to four years in state prison. [music] In a pre-sentence interview, [music] In a pre-sentence interview, [music] In a pre-sentence interview, Roger had described what he did this Roger had described what he did this Roger had described what he did this way. He said, quote, "I have three way. He said, quote, "I have three way. He said, quote, "I have three beautiful naked women in front of me and beautiful naked women in front of me and beautiful naked women in front of me and took advantage of an opportunity." took advantage of an opportunity." took advantage of an opportunity." And let's be very, very clear. One of And let's be very, very clear. One of And let's be very, very clear. One of those women was a 13-year-old kid. those women was a 13-year-old kid. those women was a 13-year-old kid. >> Right >> Right >> Right >> now, the prosecutor points out something >> now, the prosecutor points out something >> now, the prosecutor points out something else that I think is important. She else that I think is important. She else that I think is important. She speaks to Cheryl's role in all of this. speaks to Cheryl's role in all of this. speaks to Cheryl's role in all of this. And she said that Cheryl was someone who And she said that Cheryl was someone who And she said that Cheryl was someone who was very controlled by Roger and these was very controlled by Roger and these was very controlled by Roger and these were his fantasies, not hers. [music] were his fantasies, not hers. [music] were his fantasies, not hers. [music] Cheryl didn't introduce this to their Cheryl didn't introduce this to their Cheryl didn't introduce this to their relationship. He did. Roger seems to relationship. He did. Roger seems to relationship. He did. Roger seems to disagree with that because later at a disagree with that because later at a disagree with that because later at a parole board interview in 2007, he tries parole board interview in 2007, he tries parole board interview in 2007, he tries to put a lot of what happened on Cheryl, to put a lot of what happened on Cheryl, to put a lot of what happened on Cheryl, saying, "She invited the girls over. He saying, "She invited the girls over. He saying, "She invited the girls over. He didn't know how old they were." Like, didn't know how old they were." Like, didn't know how old they were." Like, "One girl told me she was 18. Cheryl "One girl told me she was 18. Cheryl "One girl told me she was 18. Cheryl told me that, too." I mean, I believe told me that, too." I mean, I believe told me that, too." I mean, I believe this 0%. [music] You are a man in your this 0%. [music] You are a man in your this 0%. [music] You are a man in your 40s. You don't need to check a birthday 40s. You don't need to check a birthday 40s. You don't need to check a birthday when you see a 13-year-old when you see a 13-year-old when you see a 13-year-old in middle school.

in middle school. in middle school. >> Come on. And listen, one parole >> Come on. And listen, one parole >> Come on. And listen, one parole commissioner calls him out on this like commissioner calls him out on this like commissioner calls him out on this like absolute [ __ ] She basically says absolute [ __ ] She basically says absolute [ __ ] She basically says like, "How convenient is it that now like, "How convenient is it that now like, "How convenient is it that now it's all Cheryl. Like the girls were it's all Cheryl. Like the girls were it's all Cheryl. Like the girls were friends of her, she brought them home friends of her, she brought them home friends of her, she brought them home and you're just this like innocent and you're just this like innocent and you're just this like innocent victim who didn't know like how old they victim who didn't know like how old they victim who didn't know like how old they were or like who they were and like oh were or like who they were and like oh were or like who they were and like oh like like like >> again, how convenient that Cheryl has >> again, how convenient that Cheryl has >> again, how convenient that Cheryl has been missing for more than a year now by been missing for more than a year now by been missing for more than a year now by this point and isn't around to defend this point and isn't around to defend this point and isn't around to defend herself. herself. herself. >> And that's when Roger pushes his >> And that's when Roger pushes his >> And that's when Roger pushes his narrative here by saying, "Well, she's narrative here by saying, "Well, she's narrative here by saying, "Well, she's on the run, I guess." And that is an on the run, I guess." And that is an on the run, I guess." And that is an insulting insinuation to Cheryl's family insulting insinuation to Cheryl's family insulting insinuation to Cheryl's family because from their point of view, Cheryl because from their point of view, Cheryl because from their point of view, Cheryl wasn't just a missing person. She was wasn't just a missing person. She was wasn't just a missing person. She was supposed to testify in a sex abuse case supposed to testify in a sex abuse case supposed to testify in a sex abuse case against someone who worked for the very against someone who worked for the very against someone who worked for the very same department that is now same department that is now same department that is now investigating where she went. And every investigating where she went. And every investigating where she went. And every day over the past year, without word day over the past year, without word day over the past year, without word from her, they only became more and more from her, they only became more and more from her, they only became more and more convinced that she didn't leave on her convinced that she didn't leave on her convinced that she didn't leave on her own. own. own. >> They think something bad happened to >> They think something bad happened to >> They think something bad happened to her. And to them, the evidence was there her. And to them, the evidence was there her. And to them, the evidence was there from the [music] beginning. Cheryl's from the [music] beginning. Cheryl's from the [music] beginning. Cheryl's daughter said that her mom used to walk daughter said that her mom used to walk daughter said that her mom used to walk her to school, take her to the park and her to school, take her to the park and her to school, take her to the park and the movies. One time, she even got a job the movies. One time, she even got a job the movies. One time, she even got a job at her school so that they could walk at her school so that they could walk at her school so that they could walk home together. She told us that Cheryl home together. She told us that Cheryl home together. She told us that Cheryl was loving and kind. She was family was loving and kind. She was family was loving and kind. She was family oriented. And that she doesn't think she oriented. And that she doesn't think she oriented. And that she doesn't think she would ever have just walked away from would ever have just walked away from would ever have just walked away from her. More than that though, like Cheryl her. More than that though, like Cheryl her. More than that though, like Cheryl didn't have a cell phone or credit card didn't have a cell phone or credit card didn't have a cell phone or credit card or a driver's license and like sure like or a driver's license and like sure like or a driver's license and like sure like she could have taken the bus or she could have taken the bus or she could have taken the bus or something, but how is she going to get something, but how is she going to get something, but how is she going to get by? They told us that the first night

by? They told us that the first night by? They told us that the first night when they reported her missing and they when they reported her missing and they when they reported her missing and they went with police to check her apartment, went with police to check her apartment, went with police to check her apartment, Cheryl's shoes were by the door, exactly Cheryl's shoes were by the door, exactly Cheryl's shoes were by the door, exactly where she always left them. [music] Her where she always left them. [music] Her where she always left them. [music] Her purse was still there. The whole place purse was still there. The whole place purse was still there. The whole place was clean besides a couple of beers and was clean besides a couple of beers and was clean besides a couple of beers and yes, they took those. Check those. No yes, they took those. Check those. No yes, they took those. Check those. No DNA on those. It looks like she just DNA on those. It looks like she just DNA on those. It looks like she just stepped out with just the clothes on her stepped out with just the clothes on her stepped out with just the clothes on her back and was going to come right back. back and was going to come right back. back and was going to come right back. And based on the last reported sighting And based on the last reported sighting And based on the last reported sighting of her, that might actually have been of her, that might actually have been of her, that might actually have been the case. And more than all of that, the the case. And more than all of that, the the case. And more than all of that, the thing that they say is Cheryl was thing that they say is Cheryl was thing that they say is Cheryl was chatty. Like she would call her family chatty. Like she would call her family chatty. Like she would call her family every day, multiple times a day, every day, multiple times a day, every day, multiple times a day, especially when she wasn't working or especially when she wasn't working or especially when she wasn't working or didn't have her daughter and she got didn't have her daughter and she got didn't have her daughter and she got bored. Like they would call her Nancy bored. Like they would call her Nancy bored. Like they would call her Nancy nine times. like she wouldn't go long, nine times. like she wouldn't go long, nine times. like she wouldn't go long, like even a day without calling. Now, like even a day without calling. Now, like even a day without calling. Now, [music] from law enforcement's point of [music] from law enforcement's point of [music] from law enforcement's point of view, Cheryl's last confirmed sighting view, Cheryl's last confirmed sighting view, Cheryl's last confirmed sighting is at about 900 p.m. on August 9th. This is at about 900 p.m. on August 9th. This is at about 900 p.m. on August 9th. This is like the same day she was at that is like the same day she was at that is like the same day she was at that cookout, heard about the sheriff's cookout, heard about the sheriff's cookout, heard about the sheriff's looking for her. looking for her. looking for her. >> And they say that at 9:00 p.m., some >> And they say that at 9:00 p.m., some >> And they say that at 9:00 p.m., some neighbors reported seeing her around the neighbors reported seeing her around the neighbors reported seeing her around the apartment complex. And some people said apartment complex. And some people said apartment complex. And some people said she might have even been barefoot and she might have even been barefoot and she might have even been barefoot and taking out the trash at the time, which taking out the trash at the time, which taking out the trash at the time, which makes sense with her shoes being inside makes sense with her shoes being inside makes sense with her shoes being inside the apartment. But if she walked out the apartment. But if she walked out the apartment. But if she walked out without her shoes, it doesn't seem like without her shoes, it doesn't seem like without her shoes, it doesn't seem like she would have gone far, right? And she would have gone far, right? And she would have gone far, right? And interestingly, I don't know if you interestingly, I don't know if you interestingly, I don't know if you remember, so they brought canines in to remember, so they brought canines in to remember, so they brought canines in to like track her scent when she first went like track her scent when she first went like track her scent when she first went missing. Well, according to family missing. Well, according to family missing. Well, according to family members and some early reporting on members and some early reporting on members and some early reporting on [music] this case, the trail that got

[music] this case, the trail that got [music] this case, the trail that got picked up seemed to go from Cheryl's picked up seemed to go from Cheryl's picked up seemed to go from Cheryl's apartment to a nearby skating [music] apartment to a nearby skating [music] apartment to a nearby skating [music] rink. And investigators do get reports rink. And investigators do get reports rink. And investigators do get reports from witnesses who saw a car in the area from witnesses who saw a car in the area from witnesses who saw a car in the area that night. They got like multiple that night. They got like multiple that night. They got like multiple descriptions of what that car looked descriptions of what that car looked descriptions of what that car looked like, [music] even though it doesn't like, [music] even though it doesn't like, [music] even though it doesn't seem like anyone saw Cheryl get into seem like anyone saw Cheryl get into seem like anyone saw Cheryl get into that car. Like, that is what makes the that car. Like, that is what makes the that car. Like, that is what makes the most sense to me, like with with the K9 most sense to me, like with with the K9 most sense to me, like with with the K9 scent ending there. scent ending there. scent ending there. >> Yeah. And if she gets in a car, then she >> Yeah. And if she gets in a car, then she >> Yeah. And if she gets in a car, then she probably went off with someone she probably went off with someone she probably went off with someone she knows, knows, knows, >> presumably. I mean, that's what I would >> presumably. I mean, that's what I would >> presumably. I mean, that's what I would think. But it would seem like that think. But it would seem like that think. But it would seem like that couldn't have been Roger because we find couldn't have been Roger because we find couldn't have been Roger because we find out he always had an alibi. He was out he always had an alibi. He was out he always had an alibi. He was supposedly with his and Cheryl's supposedly with his and Cheryl's supposedly with his and Cheryl's daughter at the movies that night. Like, daughter at the movies that night. Like, daughter at the movies that night. Like, he had her that night. That's why Cheryl he had her that night. That's why Cheryl he had her that night. That's why Cheryl was alone at her apartment when she went was alone at her apartment when she went was alone at her apartment when she went missing. But here's the thing. So, for missing. But here's the thing. So, for missing. But here's the thing. So, for years, right, we've thought he had an years, right, we've thought he had an years, right, we've thought he had an alibi. [music] We actually spoke to alibi. [music] We actually spoke to alibi. [music] We actually spoke to their daughter for this episode. We their daughter for this episode. We their daughter for this episode. We talked to her about the night her mom talked to her about the night her mom talked to her about the night her mom went missing and she dropped this huge went missing and she dropped this huge went missing and she dropped this huge bombshell. She said yes, [music] they bombshell. She said yes, [music] they bombshell. She said yes, [music] they were supposed to go to the movies, but were supposed to go to the movies, but were supposed to go to the movies, but that movie night got cancelled. Roger that movie night got cancelled. Roger that movie night got cancelled. Roger ended up dropping her and her brother ended up dropping her and her brother ended up dropping her and her brother off at their grandma's, like Roger's off at their grandma's, like Roger's off at their grandma's, like Roger's mom's house, which means there was a mom's house, which means there was a mom's house, which means there was a stretch of time where from her point of stretch of time where from her point of stretch of time where from her point of view, Roger was on his own or at least view, Roger was on his own or at least view, Roger was on his own or at least she doesn't know where he was. But would she doesn't know where he was. But would she doesn't know where he was. But would Cheryl have actually gotten into a car Cheryl have actually gotten into a car Cheryl have actually gotten into a car with Roger?

with Roger? with Roger? >> I don't know. I mean, but like who's >> I don't know. I mean, but like who's >> I don't know. I mean, but like who's saying that she got in the car saying that she got in the car saying that she got in the car willingly? willingly? willingly? >> I guess why else would she have been at >> I guess why else would she have been at >> I guess why else would she have been at the skating rink? Well, that I don't the skating rink? Well, that I don't the skating rink? Well, that I don't have an explanation for because I mean have an explanation for because I mean have an explanation for because I mean it's not like it shares a parking lot it's not like it shares a parking lot it's not like it shares a parking lot with her apartment complex or anything. with her apartment complex or anything. with her apartment complex or anything. Like I it's like across this like major Like I it's like across this like major Like I it's like across this like major road. So I agree like if she went that road. So I agree like if she went that road. So I agree like if she went that way way way >> it's like intentional. Yeah. >> it's like intentional. Yeah. >> it's like intentional. Yeah. >> For a reason. >> For a reason. >> For a reason. >> And the thing is like if you remember we >> And the thing is like if you remember we >> And the thing is like if you remember we know she called her mom when she heard know she called her mom when she heard know she called her mom when she heard that someone was looking to serve her that someone was looking to serve her that someone was looking to serve her with a subpoena. But the huge unanswered with a subpoena. But the huge unanswered with a subpoena. But the huge unanswered question I have is like who else might question I have is like who else might question I have is like who else might she have called when her mom didn't pick she have called when her mom didn't pick she have called when her mom didn't pick up? The current investigator wouldn't up? The current investigator wouldn't up? The current investigator wouldn't even confirm for us whether they even even confirm for us whether they even even confirm for us whether they even pulled Cheryl's phone records, much less pulled Cheryl's phone records, much less pulled Cheryl's phone records, much less like what they showed if they did. like what they showed if they did. like what they showed if they did. >> Okay, but if you're going to call >> Okay, but if you're going to call >> Okay, but if you're going to call someone to meet you or pick you up, like someone to meet you or pick you up, like someone to meet you or pick you up, like why not just have them come to your why not just have them come to your why not just have them come to your [music] apartment? Like why meet at the [music] apartment? Like why meet at the [music] apartment? Like why meet at the skating rink? skating rink? skating rink? >> I don't know. None of it makes sense. >> I don't know. None of it makes sense. >> I don't know. None of it makes sense. And [music] And [music] And [music] maybe it's because like that didn't maybe it's because like that didn't maybe it's because like that didn't happen. maybe the scent that tractor was happen. maybe the scent that tractor was happen. maybe the scent that tractor was old or maybe it didn't track to like the old or maybe it didn't track to like the old or maybe it didn't track to like the skate rink at all cuz we tried to verify skate rink at all cuz we tried to verify skate rink at all cuz we tried to verify this detail with the current this detail with the current this detail with the current investigator and all he would say is investigator and all he would say is investigator and all he would say is that dogs were used in that initial that dogs were used in that initial that dogs were used in that initial window when Cheryl was reported missing window when Cheryl was reported missing window when Cheryl was reported missing but he couldn't say that the trail was but he couldn't say that the trail was but he couldn't say that the trail was ever concretely verified. [music] ever concretely verified. [music] ever concretely verified. [music] Again, I don't know the difference Again, I don't know the difference Again, I don't know the difference between couldn't and wouldn't tell us between couldn't and wouldn't tell us between couldn't and wouldn't tell us but but but >> right >> right >> right >> so I don't know may maybe the skate rink >> so I don't know may maybe the skate rink >> so I don't know may maybe the skate rink is just this red herring. He did tell us is just this red herring. He did tell us is just this red herring. He did tell us though that over time more resources though that over time more resources though that over time more resources were put into locating Cheryl, not as a were put into locating Cheryl, not as a were put into locating Cheryl, not as a fugitive, but as a missing person. He

fugitive, but as a missing person. He fugitive, but as a missing person. He said they followed up on more than 200 said they followed up on more than 200 said they followed up on more than 200 leads. And according to an article in leads. And according to an article in leads. And according to an article in the Lockport Union Sun and Journal, they the Lockport Union Sun and Journal, they the Lockport Union Sun and Journal, they did land searches. They did sonar did land searches. They did sonar did land searches. They did sonar searches in a nearby lake. They sent out searches in a nearby lake. They sent out searches in a nearby lake. They sent out cadaavver dogs at one point, but they cadaavver dogs at one point, but they cadaavver dogs at one point, but they never found any sign of Cheryl. In 2011, never found any sign of Cheryl. In 2011, never found any sign of Cheryl. In 2011, the sheriff finally said that the sheriff finally said that the sheriff finally said that investigators believed that Cheryl was a investigators believed that Cheryl was a investigators believed that Cheryl was a victim of foul play and that she didn't victim of foul play and that she didn't victim of foul play and that she didn't leave on her own. Investigators even leave on her own. Investigators even leave on her own. Investigators even searched Roger's old home once it was searched Roger's old home once it was searched Roger's old home once it was foreclosed on. They didn't find foreclosed on. They didn't find foreclosed on. They didn't find anything. But even with this change of anything. But even with this change of anything. But even with this change of heart, I cannot help but believe that heart, I cannot help but believe that heart, I cannot help but believe that the early assumptions that they made did the early assumptions that they made did the early assumptions that they made did [music] like irreparable damage to [music] like irreparable damage to [music] like irreparable damage to Cheryl's case. stuff that's going to be Cheryl's case. stuff that's going to be Cheryl's case. stuff that's going to be so hard to come back from because there so hard to come back from because there so hard to come back from because there are some tips and leads that like once are some tips and leads that like once are some tips and leads that like once they're passed up on, you don't really they're passed up on, you don't really they're passed up on, you don't really get a second chance. And there is this get a second chance. And there is this get a second chance. And there is this one tip in particular that I think is a one tip in particular that I think is a one tip in particular that I think is a shining example of that. This witness shining example of that. This witness shining example of that. This witness story that has never been reported on story that has never been reported on story that has never been reported on before. Now, the current investigator before. Now, the current investigator before. Now, the current investigator told us that her account is noted in the told us that her account is noted in the told us that her account is noted in the original case file, but we spoke to her original case file, but we spoke to her original case file, but we spoke to her directly. Now, this witness is a local directly. Now, this witness is a local directly. Now, this witness is a local woman who I'm going to call Amy. And on woman who I'm going to call Amy. And on woman who I'm going to call Amy. And on the night that Cheryl disappeared, the night that Cheryl disappeared, the night that Cheryl disappeared, again, this is August 9th, 2005, she saw again, this is August 9th, 2005, she saw again, this is August 9th, 2005, she saw something that she has never been able something that she has never been able something that she has never been able to forget.

On the night Cheryl disappeared around On the night Cheryl disappeared around 10, maybe 10:15 at night, Amy was 10, maybe 10:15 at night, Amy was 10, maybe 10:15 at night, Amy was driving to work, taking this rural road driving to work, taking this rural road driving to work, taking this rural road near the woods off State [music] Route near the woods off State [music] Route near the woods off State [music] Route 78, and she spots this like teal 78, and she spots this like teal 78, and she spots this like teal four-door car that's pulled over to the four-door car that's pulled over to the four-door car that's pulled over to the side of the road with its lights on. So side of the road with its lights on. So side of the road with its lights on. So Amy pulled up behind it. She thought Amy pulled up behind it. She thought Amy pulled up behind it. She thought that maybe the car broke down. Someone that maybe the car broke down. Someone that maybe the car broke down. Someone might need help. Again, not a lot of might need help. Again, not a lot of might need help. Again, not a lot of traffic on this road. And when she gets traffic on this road. And when she gets traffic on this road. And when she gets out, she can see that there is a woman out, she can see that there is a woman out, she can see that there is a woman inside the car. She's younglooking, tan inside the car. She's younglooking, tan inside the car. She's younglooking, tan with dark hair, and she seemed like she with dark hair, and she seemed like she with dark hair, and she seemed like she was trying to talk to Amy. She was like was trying to talk to Amy. She was like was trying to talk to Amy. She was like talking fast, like she was anxious or talking fast, like she was anxious or talking fast, like she was anxious or scared. But there was also like music scared. But there was also like music scared. But there was also like music blaring from the stereo inside the car, blaring from the stereo inside the car, blaring from the stereo inside the car, and the woman inside wasn't rolling down and the woman inside wasn't rolling down and the woman inside wasn't rolling down the window so that Amy could hear her the window so that Amy could hear her the window so that Amy could hear her better. So, while Amy is trying to like better. So, while Amy is trying to like better. So, while Amy is trying to like make sense of this, something catches make sense of this, something catches make sense of this, something catches her eye on the side of the road. And her eye on the side of the road. And her eye on the side of the road. And it's like this [snorts] huge incredible it's like this [snorts] huge incredible it's like this [snorts] huge incredible Hulklike figure walking out of the brush Hulklike figure walking out of the brush Hulklike figure walking out of the brush back [music] toward the car, back toward back [music] toward the car, back toward back [music] toward the car, back toward where she was standing. And that's when where she was standing. And that's when where she was standing. And that's when Amy could finally read the woman's lips.

Amy could finally read the woman's lips. Amy could finally read the woman's lips. She was saying, "Go, go, go." So Amy She was saying, "Go, go, go." So Amy She was saying, "Go, go, go." So Amy runs back to her car and speeds off just runs back to her car and speeds off just runs back to her car and speeds off just enough to get out of dodge. and she uses enough to get out of dodge. and she uses enough to get out of dodge. and she uses her car's like emergency system to call her car's like emergency system to call her car's like emergency system to call for help before she decides to circle for help before she decides to circle for help before she decides to circle back. She knew that the woman shouldn't back. She knew that the woman shouldn't back. She knew that the woman shouldn't be left alone. Like every fiber of her be left alone. Like every fiber of her be left alone. Like every fiber of her being was telling her that that woman being was telling her that that woman being was telling her that that woman was in danger because like it finally was in danger because like it finally was in danger because like it finally hit her why the woman might not have hit her why the woman might not have hit her why the woman might not have been rolling down the window cuz Amy been rolling down the window cuz Amy been rolling down the window cuz Amy realized that the entire time she was realized that the entire time she was realized that the entire time she was there by the car, she never once saw the there by the car, she never once saw the there by the car, she never once saw the woman's hand. So she's thinking like, woman's hand. So she's thinking like, woman's hand. So she's thinking like, "Oh my god, maybe she was like bound in "Oh my god, maybe she was like bound in "Oh my god, maybe she was like bound in some way." which is just all the more some way." which is just all the more some way." which is just all the more concerning. concerning. concerning. >> Now, when Amy gets back to the spot, the >> Now, when Amy gets back to the spot, the >> Now, when Amy gets back to the spot, the car is still there, but now the lights car is still there, but now the lights car is still there, but now the lights are off and the woman is gone. So is the are off and the woman is gone. So is the are off and the woman is gone. So is the man that came walking out of the brush. man that came walking out of the brush. man that came walking out of the brush. And Amy looks up and down this road, but And Amy looks up and down this road, but And Amy looks up and down this road, but nobody is walking in either direction, nobody is walking in either direction, nobody is walking in either direction, which just [music] gives her the eeriest which just [music] gives her the eeriest which just [music] gives her the eeriest sense that both of them disappeared into sense that both of them disappeared into sense that both of them disappeared into the woods. Now Amy has enough the woods. Now Amy has enough the woods. Now Amy has enough self-preservation sense about her to self-preservation sense about her to self-preservation sense about her to know that she can't just go into the know that she can't just go into the know that she can't just go into the woods to find them. Authorities have to woods to find them. Authorities have to woods to find them. Authorities have to except authorities don't show up. What?

except authorities don't show up. What? except authorities don't show up. What? [music] At least not for as long as she [music] At least not for as long as she [music] At least not for as long as she waited out there. Now, we don't know waited out there. Now, we don't know waited out there. Now, we don't know exactly where Amy's emergency call was exactly where Amy's emergency call was exactly where Amy's emergency call was routed to. I don't know who got it. I routed to. I don't know who got it. I routed to. I don't know who got it. I don't know what was entered into the don't know what was entered into the don't know what was entered into the system in real time. Now, the current system in real time. Now, the current system in real time. Now, the current investigator told us that Amy's sighting investigator told us that Amy's sighting investigator told us that Amy's sighting was noted in the case file, which we was noted in the case file, which we was noted in the case file, which we don't have access to because when we don't have access to because when we don't have access to because when we requested it, our request was denied. requested it, our request was denied. requested it, our request was denied. But he said that the call was followed But he said that the call was followed But he said that the call was followed up on [music] and he wouldn't say how. up on [music] and he wouldn't say how. up on [music] and he wouldn't say how. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> But like, as far as Amy's concerned, >> But like, as far as Amy's concerned, >> But like, as far as Amy's concerned, right, like she thought no one came out. right, like she thought no one came out. right, like she thought no one came out. So, a couple of days later when she is So, a couple of days later when she is So, a couple of days later when she is at home, she sees Cheryl's photo on the at home, she sees Cheryl's photo on the at home, she sees Cheryl's photo on the news and she recognizes Cheryl as the news and she recognizes Cheryl as the news and she recognizes Cheryl as the woman she saw in the car. So, obviously woman she saw in the car. So, obviously woman she saw in the car. So, obviously Amy calls up the police right away Amy calls up the police right away Amy calls up the police right away because she wants to make sure someone because she wants to make sure someone because she wants to make sure someone knows about what she witnessed, right? knows about what she witnessed, right? knows about what she witnessed, right? Because she doesn't know, like she Because she doesn't know, like she Because she doesn't know, like she didn't talk to anyone. didn't talk to anyone. didn't talk to anyone. >> But their response is mindboggling. >> But their response is mindboggling. >> But their response is mindboggling. Amy says that the detective outright Amy says that the detective outright Amy says that the detective outright told her that Cheryl wasn't worth told her that Cheryl wasn't worth told her that Cheryl wasn't worth looking for, looking for, looking for, >> which is what they had basically told >> which is what they had basically told >> which is what they had basically told her family.

her family. her family. >> Amy claims that the detective said that >> Amy claims that the detective said that >> Amy claims that the detective said that Cheryl got into this mess herself and Cheryl got into this mess herself and Cheryl got into this mess herself and now she's trying to get out of it, now she's trying to get out of it, now she's trying to get out of it, >> which does that even mean? >> which does that even mean? >> which does that even mean? >> That doesn't even feel to me like, oh, >> That doesn't even feel to me like, oh, >> That doesn't even feel to me like, oh, like she ran away. This feels like she like she ran away. This feels like she like she ran away. This feels like she deserves whatever's coming to her kind deserves whatever's coming to her kind deserves whatever's coming to her kind of thing. And it's coming from somebody of thing. And it's coming from somebody of thing. And it's coming from somebody who's employed by the same law who's employed by the same law who's employed by the same law enforcement office where Roger was enforcement office where Roger was enforcement office where Roger was employed. employed. employed. >> Listen, I don't know who told her that, >> Listen, I don't know who told her that, >> Listen, I don't know who told her that, but this idea that people had Roger's but this idea that people had Roger's but this idea that people had Roger's back or had reason to cover for him, back or had reason to cover for him, back or had reason to cover for him, [music] [music] [music] >> dude. I can't even tell you how deep it >> dude. I can't even tell you how deep it >> dude. I can't even tell you how deep it goes. Like for legal reasons, literally. goes. Like for legal reasons, literally. goes. Like for legal reasons, literally. It's something that we're still digging It's something that we're still digging It's something that we're still digging into. But let me just tell you like real into. But let me just tell you like real into. But let me just tell you like real quick side story here. two interesting quick side story here. two interesting quick side story here. two interesting tidbits that we stumbled upon because tidbits that we stumbled upon because tidbits that we stumbled upon because Cheryl's cousin told us that a woman who Cheryl's cousin told us that a woman who Cheryl's cousin told us that a woman who knew Cheryl commented publicly in a knew Cheryl commented publicly in a knew Cheryl commented publicly in a Facebook group that she was sexually Facebook group that she was sexually Facebook group that she was sexually assaulted in Roger's home after being assaulted in Roger's home after being assaulted in Roger's home after being served alcohol. In the comments, the served alcohol. In the comments, the served alcohol. In the comments, the woman said that she was underage at the woman said that she was underage at the woman said that she was underage at the time and the man that she accused was time and the man that she accused was time and the man that she accused was and still is a member of the Niagara and still is a member of the Niagara and still is a member of the Niagara County Sheriff's Office. We reviewed the County Sheriff's Office. We reviewed the County Sheriff's Office. We reviewed the screenshots of those comments taken screenshots of those comments taken screenshots of those comments taken before they were deleted. We also before they were deleted. We also before they were deleted. We also reached out to the man accused and the reached out to the man accused and the reached out to the man accused and the current sheriff and the deputy sheriff current sheriff and the deputy sheriff current sheriff and the deputy sheriff for their responses to those allegations for their responses to those allegations for their responses to those allegations and we have not heard back. We also and we have not heard back. We also and we have not heard back. We also heard from Cheryl's family that Cheryl heard from Cheryl's family that Cheryl heard from Cheryl's family that Cheryl had turned over some tapes [music] had turned over some tapes [music] had turned over some tapes [music] to the sheriff's office right before she to the sheriff's office right before she to the sheriff's office right before she went missing. Now, I'm being like vague

went missing. Now, I'm being like vague went missing. Now, I'm being like vague about like what's on them, whatever, about like what's on them, whatever, about like what's on them, whatever, whatever, because again, still digging. whatever, because again, still digging. whatever, because again, still digging. But the current investigator said that But the current investigator said that But the current investigator said that he is familiar with the claim that those he is familiar with the claim that those he is familiar with the claim that those tapes exist, but he hasn't seen tapes exist, but he hasn't seen tapes exist, but he hasn't seen documentation of their verified documentation of their verified documentation of their verified existence in the missing person case existence in the missing person case existence in the missing person case file available to him. So if these tapes file available to him. So if these tapes file available to him. So if these tapes are real, we don't know where they are are real, we don't know where they are are real, we don't know where they are now, whether they were logged somewhere now, whether they were logged somewhere now, whether they were logged somewhere else, returned, lost, destroyed, or else, returned, lost, destroyed, or else, returned, lost, destroyed, or never actually turned over in the first never actually turned over in the first never actually turned over in the first place. And obviously, we reached out to place. And obviously, we reached out to place. And obviously, we reached out to Roger about the tapes and all of this, Roger about the tapes and all of this, Roger about the tapes and all of this, but we have not heard back from him. And but we have not heard back from him. And but we have not heard back from him. And speaking of Roger, this man is hard to speaking of Roger, this man is hard to speaking of Roger, this man is hard to miss. Like, Homeboy is scary looking. miss. Like, Homeboy is scary looking. miss. Like, Homeboy is scary looking. So, to bring it back to Amy and her So, to bring it back to Amy and her So, to bring it back to Amy and her story, when she eventually saw Roger, story, when she eventually saw Roger, story, when she eventually saw Roger, she did think that the bald, stocky, she did think that the bald, stocky, she did think that the bald, stocky, muscular, Hulklike figure that she saw muscular, Hulklike figure that she saw muscular, Hulklike figure that she saw walking out of the brush that night was walking out of the brush that night was walking out of the brush that night was him. Now, police blowing Amy off wasn't him. Now, police blowing Amy off wasn't him. Now, police blowing Amy off wasn't even the end of the saga. About 2 and even the end of the saga. About 2 and even the end of the saga. About 2 and 1/2 weeks after that initial incident, 1/2 weeks after that initial incident, 1/2 weeks after that initial incident, Amy was driving past the same area where Amy was driving past the same area where Amy was driving past the same area where the car was, and she noticed this foul the car was, and she noticed this foul the car was, and she noticed this foul odor coming from the woods near where odor coming from the woods near where odor coming from the woods near where the car had been. And she told us that the car had been. And she told us that the car had been. And she told us that she drove that route all the time. She she drove that route all the time. She she drove that route all the time. She had never smelled anything like that had never smelled anything like that had never smelled anything like that before, so she doesn't think it was like before, so she doesn't think it was like before, so she doesn't think it was like a dead deer or a random animal or a dead deer or a random animal or a dead deer or a random animal or something. But the thing is, Amy didn't something. But the thing is, Amy didn't something. But the thing is, Amy didn't report it that time. She had already report it that time. She had already report it that time. She had already called investigators and got dismissed.

called investigators and got dismissed. called investigators and got dismissed. So, she was afraid of being labeled as So, she was afraid of being labeled as So, she was afraid of being labeled as like a nuisance caller. But she did say like a nuisance caller. But she did say like a nuisance caller. But she did say that later she spent years trying to get that later she spent years trying to get that later she spent years trying to get cadaavver dogs teams like back to that cadaavver dogs teams like back to that cadaavver dogs teams like back to that location where she saw the car. That's location where she saw the car. That's location where she saw the car. That's kind of hard to do as one individual kind of hard to do as one individual kind of hard to do as one individual with no law enforcement connections. with no law enforcement connections. with no law enforcement connections. >> Okay, girl. What are we waiting for? >> Okay, girl. What are we waiting for? >> Okay, girl. What are we waiting for? >> Don't tempt me with a good time in a >> Don't tempt me with a good time in a >> Don't tempt me with a good time in a shovel, but I would. But I don't want to shovel, but I would. But I don't want to shovel, but I would. But I don't want to get in the way because I actually have get in the way because I actually have get in the way because I actually have some kind of good news. The current some kind of good news. The current some kind of good news. The current investigator who took this case over in investigator who took this case over in investigator who took this case over in 2023 2023 2023 has been doing some leg work on this. He has been doing some leg work on this. He has been doing some leg work on this. He wouldn't tell us much about what he's wouldn't tell us much about what he's wouldn't tell us much about what he's doing, but when we got court records doing, but when we got court records doing, but when we got court records from Rogers prosecution, I'm talking from Rogers prosecution, I'm talking from Rogers prosecution, I'm talking like hundreds of pages, transcript, like hundreds of pages, transcript, like hundreds of pages, transcript, motions, orders, indictments. In it was motions, orders, indictments. In it was motions, orders, indictments. In it was a receipt showing that materials from a receipt showing that materials from a receipt showing that materials from the original case file were checked out the original case file were checked out the original case file were checked out and then returned to the DA's office and then returned to the DA's office and then returned to the DA's office custody in July of 2025. So, we're custody in July of 2025. So, we're custody in July of 2025. So, we're talking just a year ago. And this talking just a year ago. And this talking just a year ago. And this included, like Cheryl's own written included, like Cheryl's own written included, like Cheryl's own written statement to investigators, a statement statement to investigators, a statement statement to investigators, a statement from another witness, a letter, from another witness, a letter, from another witness, a letter, materials from a case that had been materials from a case that had been materials from a case that had been closed for nearly 20 years got pulled a closed for nearly 20 years got pulled a closed for nearly 20 years got pulled a year ago and reviewed by someone. Now, I year ago and reviewed by someone. Now, I year ago and reviewed by someone. Now, I don't know exactly what though who had don't know exactly what though who had don't know exactly what though who had those files or what they were doing with those files or what they were doing with those files or what they were doing with them or whatever, but what the current them or whatever, but what the current them or whatever, but what the current investigator would say to us is that at investigator would say to us is that at investigator would say to us is that at some point in the last couple of years, some point in the last couple of years, some point in the last couple of years, he did put in a request for a trained he did put in a request for a trained he did put in a request for a trained search and rescue organization to come search and rescue organization to come search and rescue organization to come and search this area in question. Now, and search this area in question. Now, and search this area in question. Now, we spoke to the founder of Western New we spoke to the founder of Western New we spoke to the founder of Western New York Missing and Unidentified Persons, York Missing and Unidentified Persons, York Missing and Unidentified Persons, an advocacy organization that helped

an advocacy organization that helped an advocacy organization that helped push for the search, which finally push for the search, which finally push for the search, which finally happened in November of 2024. [music] happened in November of 2024. [music] happened in November of 2024. [music] And they told us that the team searched, And they told us that the team searched, And they told us that the team searched, they didn't find anything, but caveat, they didn't find anything, but caveat, they didn't find anything, but caveat, they felt like they had more work to do. they felt like they had more work to do. they felt like they had more work to do. She said that the team wasn't able to She said that the team wasn't able to She said that the team wasn't able to cover everything that they wanted to cover everything that they wanted to cover everything that they wanted to that day, and they haven't been able to that day, and they haven't been able to that day, and they haven't been able to get back out there with law enforcement get back out there with law enforcement get back out there with law enforcement since. Even if nothing is there now since. Even if nothing is there now since. Even if nothing is there now though, that doesn't mean there was like though, that doesn't mean there was like though, that doesn't mean there was like never anything there. never anything there. never anything there. >> This is exactly my point about the lost >> This is exactly my point about the lost >> This is exactly my point about the lost time. Like it is it's [music] terrible. time. Like it is it's [music] terrible. time. Like it is it's [music] terrible. Like I don't I don't know what has been Like I don't I don't know what has been Like I don't I don't know what has been lost that we can't get back. lost that we can't get back. lost that we can't get back. >> Wait, if police actually followed up on >> Wait, if police actually followed up on >> Wait, if police actually followed up on it like they said they did, like it like they said they did, like it like they said they did, like wouldn't they have gotten a plate number wouldn't they have gotten a plate number wouldn't they have gotten a plate number or or something on that car like to know or or something on that car like to know or or something on that car like to know whose it was? So, I don't know what they whose it was? So, I don't know what they whose it was? So, I don't know what they did, right? Like they won't tell us. But did, right? Like they won't tell us. But did, right? Like they won't tell us. But Amy said that she actually recorded at Amy said that she actually recorded at Amy said that she actually recorded at least a partial plate number that night. least a partial plate number that night. least a partial plate number that night. I mean, she knew something was up. She I mean, she knew something was up. She I mean, she knew something was up. She was there with the car. She gave that to was there with the car. She gave that to was there with the car. She gave that to police. The only thing we know is that police. The only thing we know is that police. The only thing we know is that the registered car didn't apparently the registered car didn't apparently the registered car didn't apparently match the description of like this teal match the description of like this teal match the description of like this teal four-door car. Now, my next question, four-door car. Now, my next question, four-door car. Now, my next question, okay, what car did it match? Yeah, okay, what car did it match? Yeah, okay, what car did it match? Yeah, >> the current >> the current >> the current specific partial plate itself, who it specific partial plate itself, who it specific partial plate itself, who it came back to, what other kind of vehicle came back to, what other kind of vehicle came back to, what other kind of vehicle like it could have been registered to.

like it could have been registered to. like it could have been registered to. >> But what I think is so interesting, >> But what I think is so interesting, >> But what I think is so interesting, Brett, remember how witnesses reported Brett, remember how witnesses reported Brett, remember how witnesses reported seeing a car like near the skating rink seeing a car like near the skating rink seeing a car like near the skating rink the night that Cheryl disappeared. the night that Cheryl disappeared. the night that Cheryl disappeared. >> So, the current investigator told us >> So, the current investigator told us >> So, the current investigator told us that one of the multiple vehicle that one of the multiple vehicle that one of the multiple vehicle descriptions, remember, there was descriptions, remember, there was descriptions, remember, there was different ones, but one of them was a different ones, but one of them was a different ones, but one of them was a teal or blue car. [music] Now, I don't teal or blue car. [music] Now, I don't teal or blue car. [music] Now, I don't know who that teal or blue car could know who that teal or blue car could know who that teal or blue car could belong to, but when we talked to Amy, belong to, but when we talked to Amy, belong to, but when we talked to Amy, she said that the teal car that she saw she said that the teal car that she saw she said that the teal car that she saw looked like a Chevy Caprice style sedan. looked like a Chevy Caprice style sedan. looked like a Chevy Caprice style sedan. And so, obviously, like when we talked And so, obviously, like when we talked And so, obviously, like when we talked to Cheryl's daughter, uh we asked her to Cheryl's daughter, uh we asked her to Cheryl's daughter, uh we asked her like whether like Roger or anyone around like whether like Roger or anyone around like whether like Roger or anyone around him owned a car like that back then. And him owned a car like that back then. And him owned a car like that back then. And she said the one thing that came to her she said the one thing that came to her she said the one thing that came to her mind was that Roger had this like dark mind was that Roger had this like dark mind was that Roger had this like dark sea green like Chevy Camaro, but like a sea green like Chevy Camaro, but like a sea green like Chevy Camaro, but like a Chevy Camaro is a twodoor sports car. Chevy Camaro is a twodoor sports car. Chevy Camaro is a twodoor sports car. >> He also had that like pickup truck or >> He also had that like pickup truck or >> He also had that like pickup truck or like a Trailblazer or whatever. A like a Trailblazer or whatever. A like a Trailblazer or whatever. A Caprice is a larger four-door sedan. It Caprice is a larger four-door sedan. It Caprice is a larger four-door sedan. It doesn't look like either of those, doesn't look like either of those, doesn't look like either of those, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So, I don't know if it was a car >> So, I don't know if it was a car >> So, I don't know if it was a car completely unrelated to him, something completely unrelated to him, something completely unrelated to him, something he might have had access to. [music] he might have had access to. [music] he might have had access to. [music] That car is a big mystery. Now, Roger That car is a big mystery. Now, Roger That car is a big mystery. Now, Roger was released from prison on January was released from prison on January was released from prison on January 15th, [music] 2010.

15th, [music] 2010. 15th, [music] 2010. 4 days later, he registered as a sex 4 days later, he registered as a sex 4 days later, he registered as a sex offender. But he almost immediately offender. But he almost immediately offender. But he almost immediately violated his registration requirements violated his registration requirements violated his registration requirements when he moved in with his new wife, when he moved in with his new wife, when he moved in with his new wife, Megan, and their baby without telling Megan, and their baby without telling Megan, and their baby without telling anyone. anyone. anyone. >> Megan, the former high school student, >> Megan, the former high school student, >> Megan, the former high school student, Megan, Megan, Megan, >> that's the Megan. Obviously, not in high >> that's the Megan. Obviously, not in high >> that's the Megan. Obviously, not in high school anymore by that point. Like, school anymore by that point. Like, school anymore by that point. Like, [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] but failure to do that got him 5 years but failure to do that got him 5 years but failure to do that got him 5 years of probation that began in 2012. When he of probation that began in 2012. When he of probation that began in 2012. When he was back in court for failing to update was back in court for failing to update was back in court for failing to update his address as a registered sex his address as a registered sex his address as a registered sex offender, the judge said something offender, the judge said something offender, the judge said something during the sentencing that really stuck during the sentencing that really stuck during the sentencing that really stuck [music] with me. He said, quote, [music] with me. He said, quote, [music] with me. He said, quote, "Everything that I know about you, Mr. "Everything that I know about you, Mr. "Everything that I know about you, Mr. Huber, is you're a good father." Huber, is you're a good father." Huber, is you're a good father." Although, you know, having a criminal Although, you know, having a criminal Although, you know, having a criminal past is never a good role model example, past is never a good role model example, past is never a good role model example, but let's again those those years but let's again those those years but let's again those those years hopefully are behind you. Sounds like hopefully are behind you. Sounds like hopefully are behind you. Sounds like you're a good father. I'm not going to you're a good father. I'm not going to you're a good father. I'm not going to remove you from from your family. I'm remove you from from your family. I'm remove you from from your family. I'm not going to place you in jail." End not going to place you in jail." End not going to place you in jail." End quote. I I'm going to go out on a limb quote. I I'm going to go out on a limb quote. I I'm going to go out on a limb here and just say [music] that I think here and just say [music] that I think here and just say [music] that I think it's more than just not being a good it's more than just not being a good it's more than just not being a good role model here. So, I do just have to role model here. So, I do just have to role model here. So, I do just have to say the judge, the first judge who say the judge, the first judge who say the judge, the first judge who called him a predator was like, "I don't called him a predator was like, "I don't called him a predator was like, "I don't think you like have the ability to even think you like have the ability to even think you like have the ability to even stop." That was a woman. The judge who stop." That was a woman. The judge who stop." That was a woman. The judge who called him called him called him >> Wait, let me guess. This one's a man >> Wait, let me guess. This one's a man >> Wait, let me guess. This one's a man >> was a man. The one who calls him a good >> was a man. The one who calls him a good >> was a man. The one who calls him a good father. So, like, make your own call father. So, like, make your own call father. So, like, make your own call about that.

about that. about that. >> Roger got discharged from all >> Roger got discharged from all >> Roger got discharged from all supervision on February 25th, 2015. supervision on February 25th, 2015. supervision on February 25th, 2015. >> But that's not 5 years. I it's you're >> But that's not 5 years. I it's you're >> But that's not 5 years. I it's you're right. Math is is mathemat. Uh he just right. Math is is mathemat. Uh he just right. Math is is mathemat. Uh he just got done early and just in time because got done early and just in time because got done early and just in time because in August of 2015 he ended up getting in August of 2015 he ended up getting in August of 2015 he ended up getting arrested for driving under the influence arrested for driving under the influence arrested for driving under the influence of drugs which would have been a of drugs which would have been a of drugs which would have been a probation violation probation violation probation violation >> if he had still been on it, >> if he had still been on it, >> if he had still been on it, >> right? But he wasn't. And so [music] >> right? But he wasn't. And so [music] >> right? But he wasn't. And so [music] he is still out. And this is why I he is still out. And this is why I he is still out. And this is why I titled this episode as a warning. titled this episode as a warning. titled this episode as a warning. [music] [music] [music] Because while one judge was just hoping Because while one judge was just hoping Because while one judge was just hoping Roger's past was behind him, he was a Roger's past was behind him, he was a Roger's past was behind him, he was a convicted predator. [music] And I think convicted predator. [music] And I think convicted predator. [music] And I think it takes more than hope in a prayer to it takes more than hope in a prayer to it takes more than hope in a prayer to protect kids. [music] And Roger seems to protect kids. [music] And Roger seems to protect kids. [music] And Roger seems to be around plenty of kids still. be around plenty of kids still. be around plenty of kids still. >> He is still married to Megan. They now >> He is still married to Megan. They now >> He is still married to Megan. They now have three kids. And because of her have three kids. And because of her have three kids. And because of her Facebook, we have a pretty good idea of Facebook, we have a pretty good idea of Facebook, we have a pretty good idea of the image that they put out to the the image that they put out to the the image that they put out to the world. Posted on Megan's page are photos world. Posted on Megan's page are photos world. Posted on Megan's page are photos of Roger at backyard pool parties at of Roger at backyard pool parties at of Roger at backyard pool parties at Disney World with his family. It's the Disney World with his family. It's the Disney World with his family. It's the curated image of a family man, [music] curated image of a family man, [music] curated image of a family man, [music] and it's an image that Roger seems like and it's an image that Roger seems like and it's an image that Roger seems like he wants to protect. Our reporter he wants to protect. Our reporter he wants to protect. Our reporter Malikica Dollywal found a state police Malikica Dollywal found a state police Malikica Dollywal found a state police report from October 2025 where Roger report from October 2025 where Roger report from October 2025 where Roger called 911 to report suspicious activity called 911 to report suspicious activity called 911 to report suspicious activity because people were talking about him in because people were talking about him in because people were talking about him in a public Facebook group specifically a public Facebook group specifically a public Facebook group specifically about him being a registered sex

about him being a registered sex about him being a registered sex offender and the crimes that he was offender and the crimes that he was offender and the crimes that he was convicted of. convicted of. convicted of. >> So they were speaking the truth. >> So they were speaking the truth. >> So they were speaking the truth. >> Yes. He told police that he thought the >> Yes. He told police that he thought the >> Yes. He told police that he thought the comments were threatening, but the comments were threatening, but the comments were threatening, but the responding officer like looked at the responding officer like looked at the responding officer like looked at the comments and was like, "Yeah, no." comments and was like, "Yeah, no." comments and was like, "Yeah, no." [music] And Roger had to admit that like [music] And Roger had to admit that like [music] And Roger had to admit that like nobody threatened him directly. No one nobody threatened him directly. No one nobody threatened him directly. No one had done anything to him or to his had done anything to him or to his had done anything to him or to his property. The officer basically told him property. The officer basically told him property. The officer basically told him like listen Facebook is a public forum. like listen Facebook is a public forum. like listen Facebook is a public forum. And it's like if your community wants to And it's like if your community wants to And it's like if your community wants to talk about who's living in their talk about who's living in their talk about who's living in their community, like people have the freedom community, like people have the freedom community, like people have the freedom of speech just like they would in any of speech just like they would in any of speech just like they would in any other public place. And I can't say if other public place. And I can't say if other public place. And I can't say if this next thing was Roger or not, but this next thing was Roger or not, but this next thing was Roger or not, but when Malikica posted on a local Lockport when Malikica posted on a local Lockport when Malikica posted on a local Lockport Facebook group asking if anyone who knew Facebook group asking if anyone who knew Facebook group asking if anyone who knew Cheryl wanted just to talk to us, within Cheryl wanted just to talk to us, within Cheryl wanted just to talk to us, within 24 hours, that post was reported 24 hours, that post was reported 24 hours, that post was reported multiple times and got removed. But it's multiple times and got removed. But it's multiple times and got removed. But it's hard to hide from your past forever. And hard to hide from your past forever. And hard to hide from your past forever. And we heard something really interesting. we heard something really interesting. we heard something really interesting. So in our reporting, we were trying to So in our reporting, we were trying to So in our reporting, we were trying to get in touch with the original get in touch with the original get in touch with the original prosecutor on Roger's like sexual abuse prosecutor on Roger's like sexual abuse prosecutor on Roger's like sexual abuse case. But interestingly, her office said case. But interestingly, her office said case. But interestingly, her office said that she couldn't speak because of a that she couldn't speak because of a that she couldn't speak because of a pending matter related to the criminal pending matter related to the criminal pending matter related to the criminal case against [music] Roger.

case against [music] Roger. case against [music] Roger. >> What criminal case? >> What criminal case? >> What criminal case? >> Exactly my question. We have been trying >> Exactly my question. We have been trying >> Exactly my question. We have been trying to find out. But knowing that that case to find out. But knowing that that case to find out. But knowing that that case stuff was being pulled in 2025, stuff was being pulled in 2025, stuff was being pulled in 2025, >> knowing we've got a judge saying there >> knowing we've got a judge saying there >> knowing we've got a judge saying there is a pending criminal case in 2026, I is a pending criminal case in 2026, I is a pending criminal case in 2026, I think something seems to be brewing in think something seems to be brewing in think something seems to be brewing in Niagara County. Cheryl Ruchcci is still Niagara County. Cheryl Ruchcci is still Niagara County. Cheryl Ruchcci is still missing. Her daughter now has children missing. Her daughter now has children missing. Her daughter now has children of her own, three boys that Cheryl never of her own, three boys that Cheryl never of her own, three boys that Cheryl never got to meet. [music] And her daughter got to meet. [music] And her daughter got to meet. [music] And her daughter told us that growing up without her mom told us that growing up without her mom told us that growing up without her mom has been confusing and painful, has been confusing and painful, has been confusing and painful, especially because she believes that she especially because she believes that she especially because she believes that she knows who is responsible and has had to knows who is responsible and has had to knows who is responsible and has had to watch that person go on living their watch that person go on living their watch that person go on living their life. And Cheryl's mom has spent 20 life. And Cheryl's mom has spent 20 life. And Cheryl's mom has spent 20 years waiting for answers and trying to years waiting for answers and trying to years waiting for answers and trying to keep Cheryl's memory alive. But at keep Cheryl's memory alive. But at keep Cheryl's memory alive. But at times, it can feel like her legacy is times, it can feel like her legacy is times, it can feel like her legacy is always going to be tied to Roger. And always going to be tied to Roger. And always going to be tied to Roger. And Cheryl's cousin acknowledges that Cheryl Cheryl's cousin acknowledges that Cheryl Cheryl's cousin acknowledges that Cheryl may have been involved in some bad may have been involved in some bad may have been involved in some bad things. I mean, she is far from a things. I mean, she is far from a things. I mean, she is far from a perfect victim. But she says that her perfect victim. But she says that her perfect victim. But she says that her daughter should never have had to grow daughter should never have had to grow daughter should never have had to grow up without her mother.

up without her mother. up without her mother. >> And maybe that's the truth about Cheryl. >> And maybe that's the truth about Cheryl. >> And maybe that's the truth about Cheryl. She was a complicated person living a She was a complicated person living a She was a complicated person living a very complicated life inside a world very complicated life inside a world very complicated life inside a world that Roger Huber controlled. I'll say it that Roger Huber controlled. I'll say it that Roger Huber controlled. I'll say it again. She was an imperfect victim who again. She was an imperfect victim who again. She was an imperfect victim who became an imperfect witness. She was a became an imperfect witness. She was a became an imperfect witness. She was a woman who decided to testify against the woman who decided to testify against the woman who decided to testify against the most powerful person in her life, most powerful person in her life, most powerful person in her life, knowing what it might cost her. and then knowing what it might cost her. and then knowing what it might cost her. and then she disappeared before she could have she disappeared before she could have she disappeared before she could have her day in court. She deserves to be her day in court. She deserves to be her day in court. She deserves to be found. [music] found. [music] found. [music] Her family deserves answers. So, if Her family deserves answers. So, if Her family deserves answers. So, if anyone out there knows anything about anyone out there knows anything about anyone out there knows anything about the disappearance of Cheryl Ruchi, I the disappearance of Cheryl Ruchi, I the disappearance of Cheryl Ruchi, I mean, anything at all, please contact mean, anything at all, please contact mean, anything at all, please contact the Niagara County Sheriff's Office at the Niagara County Sheriff's Office at the Niagara County Sheriff's Office at 7164383393. [music] You can also submit a tip anonymously to You can also submit a tip anonymously to their website. Investigator Ed Finley, their website. Investigator Ed Finley, their website. Investigator Ed Finley, he's the current lead on the case, told he's the current lead on the case, told he's the current lead on the case, told us that even information that seems us that even information that seems us that even information that seems small, like a rumor that's been passed small, like a rumor that's been passed small, like a rumor that's been passed around, even if you think they know it, around, even if you think they know it, around, even if you think they know it, they might not. Like, it can matter if they might not. Like, it can matter if they might not. Like, it can matter if it gives investigators something to it gives investigators something to it gives investigators something to follow.