Does the Evidence Explain What Happened to Lakesha Thompson?

Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And today's Flowers. And I'm Britt. And today's Flowers. And I'm Britt. And today's story starts with a question. If someone story starts with a question. If someone story starts with a question. If someone dies from a self-inflicted gunshot dies from a self-inflicted gunshot dies from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, [music] wound, [music] wound, [music] how many inconsistencies would it take how many inconsistencies would it take how many inconsistencies would it take before you start questioning what really before you start questioning what really before you start questioning what really happened? One, two, more. What if happened? One, two, more. What if happened? One, two, more. What if responding officers called out those responding officers called out those responding officers called out those inconsistencies while on the scene? inconsistencies while on the scene? inconsistencies while on the scene? Well, that's what happened here. And Well, that's what happened here. And Well, that's what happened here. And yet, 3 years later, a family is still yet, 3 years later, a family is still yet, 3 years later, a family is still desperately asking questions [music] desperately asking questions [music] desperately asking questions [music] that law enforcement don't seem to want that law enforcement don't seem to want that law enforcement don't seem to want to answer. to answer. to answer. This is the story of Lakesha Thompson. Andrea Fluker is woken up from a dead Andrea Fluker is woken up from a dead sleep by her phone on May 24th, 2023. sleep by her phone on May 24th, 2023. sleep by her phone on May 24th, 2023. Now, when she looks at the screen, she Now, when she looks at the screen, she Now, when she looks at the screen, she sees it's 4:00 a.m. [music] sees it's 4:00 a.m. [music] sees it's 4:00 a.m. [music] Spam calls don't usually come in at this Spam calls don't usually come in at this Spam calls don't usually come in at this hour. Plus, it's an Atlanta area code hour. Plus, it's an Atlanta area code hour. Plus, it's an Atlanta area code where she knows that her mom is visiting where she knows that her mom is visiting where she knows that her mom is visiting her new fiance. So, she [music] picks up her new fiance. So, she [music] picks up her new fiance. So, she [music] picks up and sure enough, on the other end is her and sure enough, on the other end is her and sure enough, on the other end is her mom's brand new fiance, Nathan Fitten.

mom's brand new fiance, Nathan Fitten. mom's brand new fiance, Nathan Fitten. Andrea doesn't like Nathan. doesn't like Andrea doesn't like Nathan. doesn't like Andrea doesn't like Nathan. doesn't like that her mom, Lkesha Thompson, is that her mom, Lkesha Thompson, is that her mom, Lkesha Thompson, is engaged to him because the little that engaged to him because the little that engaged to him because the little that she's gotten to know about him through she's gotten to know about him through she's gotten to know about him through their hot and cold relationship over the their hot and cold relationship over the their hot and cold relationship over the last couple of years, she doesn't like. last couple of years, she doesn't like. last couple of years, she doesn't like. [music] Like the few times that Nathan [music] Like the few times that Nathan [music] Like the few times that Nathan would text or call Andrea, it felt like would text or call Andrea, it felt like would text or call Andrea, it felt like he was trying to stir up drama. He would he was trying to stir up drama. He would he was trying to stir up drama. He would accuse [music] accuse [music] accuse [music] her mom, Lisha, of seeing other men and her mom, Lisha, of seeing other men and her mom, Lisha, of seeing other men and then make Andrea this like middleman then make Andrea this like middleman then make Andrea this like middleman between him and her mom. And sometimes between him and her mom. And sometimes between him and her mom. And sometimes they would even call her in the middle they would even call her in the middle they would even call her in the middle of their arguments. And somehow Nathan of their arguments. And somehow Nathan of their arguments. And somehow Nathan would seem to twist things to make it would seem to twist things to make it would seem to twist things to make it seem like Andrea was the problem, too. I seem like Andrea was the problem, too. I seem like Andrea was the problem, too. I mean, he recently told Andrea that she mean, he recently told Andrea that she mean, he recently told Andrea that she was blowing up his life and he had a was blowing up his life and he had a was blowing up his life and he had a ring. He was going to propose to her ring. He was going to propose to her ring. He was going to propose to her mom, but because of her now, that's not mom, but because of her now, that's not mom, but because of her now, that's not going to happen. Like, clearly to make going to happen. Like, clearly to make going to happen. Like, clearly to make her feel bad. her feel bad. her feel bad. >> Well, and clearly a lie since they're >> Well, and clearly a lie since they're >> Well, and clearly a lie since they're [music] obviously engaged now. [music] obviously engaged now. [music] obviously engaged now. >> Yeah. Something that none of Lkesha's >> Yeah. Something that none of Lkesha's >> Yeah. Something that none of Lkesha's four children were excited about when four children were excited about when four children were excited about when they announced it. Like, they just got they announced it. Like, they just got they announced it. Like, they just got engaged like 3 days before all of this. engaged like 3 days before all of this. engaged like 3 days before all of this. They saw through Nathan. Bro was toxic.

They saw through Nathan. Bro was toxic. They saw through Nathan. Bro was toxic. Like just a couple of days before Like just a couple of days before Like just a couple of days before Lakesha flew to Atlanta, Andrea got a Lakesha flew to Atlanta, Andrea got a Lakesha flew to Atlanta, Andrea got a call from her sister [music] saying that call from her sister [music] saying that call from her sister [music] saying that her mom was on the phone with Nathan and her mom was on the phone with Nathan and her mom was on the phone with Nathan and he said that he was going to kill he said that he was going to kill he said that he was going to kill himself and then he went totally silent himself and then he went totally silent himself and then he went totally silent on the phone. Lkesha thought that he had on the phone. Lkesha thought that he had on the phone. Lkesha thought that he had taken his own life right then and there. taken his own life right then and there. taken his own life right then and there. Obviously, [music] he didn't. Obviously, Obviously, [music] he didn't. Obviously, Obviously, [music] he didn't. Obviously, we like see this behavior is toxic, we like see this behavior is toxic, we like see this behavior is toxic, >> but like [music] what could her kids do? >> but like [music] what could her kids do? >> but like [music] what could her kids do? Their mom is a grown woman, Their mom is a grown woman, Their mom is a grown woman, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So, middle of the night call from >> So, middle of the night call from >> So, middle of the night call from Nathan. Andrea is probably [music] like Nathan. Andrea is probably [music] like Nathan. Andrea is probably [music] like rolling her eyes as he launches right rolling her eyes as he launches right rolling her eyes as he launches right into the drama as expected. [music] into the drama as expected. [music] into the drama as expected. [music] He tells her that Lkesha stormed out of He tells her that Lkesha stormed out of He tells her that Lkesha stormed out of his house. I guess they'd been drinking. his house. I guess they'd been drinking. his house. I guess they'd been drinking. They started arguing. They even called They started arguing. They even called They started arguing. They even called off their engagement. And now he doesn't off their engagement. And now he doesn't off their engagement. And now he doesn't know where she went. And Andrea is like, know where she went. And Andrea is like, know where she went. And Andrea is like, "Okay, like hold on. You let my mom just "Okay, like hold on. You let my mom just "Okay, like hold on. You let my mom just like walk off alone in the middle of the like walk off alone in the middle of the like walk off alone in the middle of the night in a city that she's not familiar night in a city that she's not familiar night in a city that she's not familiar with cuz Lisha was living in Michigan at with cuz Lisha was living in Michigan at with cuz Lisha was living in Michigan at this time where Andrea is. She doesn't this time where Andrea is. She doesn't this time where Andrea is. She doesn't know Atlanta. So she's like, "Go out and know Atlanta. So she's like, "Go out and know Atlanta. So she's like, "Go out and get her."

get her." get her." >> But then all of a sudden, Nathan changes >> But then all of a sudden, Nathan changes >> But then all of a sudden, Nathan changes his tomb. He's like, "Listen, I'm trying his tomb. He's like, "Listen, I'm trying his tomb. He's like, "Listen, I'm trying to find her phone. She lost it. Can you to find her phone. She lost it. Can you to find her phone. She lost it. Can you call her phone for me?" And Andrea, who call her phone for me?" And Andrea, who call her phone for me?" And Andrea, who has a young baby at home and her last has a young baby at home and her last has a young baby at home and her last day of phabbotomy class in a couple of day of phabbotomy class in a couple of day of phabbotomy class in a couple of hours, is like, "What do you mean? Why hours, is like, "What do you mean? Why hours, is like, "What do you mean? Why are you calling me to call her? Use your are you calling me to call her? Use your are you calling me to call her? Use your phone." phone." phone." >> Yeah, the one you have in your hand. >> Yeah, the one you have in your hand. >> Yeah, the one you have in your hand. >> Exactly. Like, why do you need me to do >> Exactly. Like, why do you need me to do >> Exactly. Like, why do you need me to do that? Why are you calling me at all? And that? Why are you calling me at all? And that? Why are you calling me at all? And also, go get my mom. also, go get my mom. also, go get my mom. >> Yes. Then all of a sudden, Nathan goes, >> Yes. Then all of a sudden, Nathan goes, >> Yes. Then all of a sudden, Nathan goes, "Wait, she's back. She's trying to come "Wait, she's back. She's trying to come "Wait, she's back. She's trying to come inside." and he tells Andrea that her inside." and he tells Andrea that her inside." and he tells Andrea that her mom is ringing the doorbell. She's mom is ringing the doorbell. She's mom is ringing the doorbell. She's banging on the door, neither of which banging on the door, neither of which banging on the door, neither of which she's like hearing in the background. she's like hearing in the background. she's like hearing in the background. And then Nathan just hangs up. Now, And then Nathan just hangs up. Now, And then Nathan just hangs up. Now, before going back to bed, Andrea checks before going back to bed, Andrea checks before going back to bed, Andrea checks her mom's location. She's still at her mom's location. She's still at her mom's location. She's still at Nathan's house, or at least her phone Nathan's house, or at least her phone Nathan's house, or at least her phone is, is, is, >> right? [music] >> right? [music] >> right? [music] >> So, despite what she told Nathan, she >> So, despite what she told Nathan, she >> So, despite what she told Nathan, she does try calling her, but her mom does try calling her, but her mom does try calling her, but her mom doesn't pick up. So assuming that this doesn't pick up. So assuming that this doesn't pick up. So assuming that this will resolve itself like all of the will resolve itself like all of the will resolve itself like all of the fights before, Andrea [music] goes back fights before, Andrea [music] goes back fights before, Andrea [music] goes back to sleep, not realizing that today would to sleep, not realizing that today would to sleep, not realizing that today would be different. And that call was the be different. And that call was the be different. And that call was the beginning of a new reality for her. 5 beginning of a new reality for her. 5 beginning of a new reality for her. 5 hours later, after Andrea has gotten up, hours later, after Andrea has gotten up, hours later, after Andrea has gotten up, she's taken care of her baby, she's she's taken care of her baby, she's she's taken care of her baby, she's begun to fight traffic in the suburbs of begun to fight traffic in the suburbs of begun to fight traffic in the suburbs of Detroit on her way to school, her phone Detroit on her way to school, her phone Detroit on her way to school, her phone rings again. Another Atlanta number, not rings again. Another Atlanta number, not rings again. Another Atlanta number, not Nathan's, though. So, she picks up Nathan's, though. So, she picks up Nathan's, though. So, she picks up cautiously, not really knowing who or

cautiously, not really knowing who or cautiously, not really knowing who or what to expect. But none of the what to expect. But none of the what to expect. But none of the scenarios that quickly ran through her scenarios that quickly ran through her scenarios that quickly ran through her mind were this, because it was the mind were this, because it was the mind were this, because it was the Clayton County Medical Examiner's Office Clayton County Medical Examiner's Office Clayton County Medical Examiner's Office calling to notify her that her mom had calling to notify her that her mom had calling to notify her that her mom had died from a [music] self-inflicted died from a [music] self-inflicted died from a [music] self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Now, mind gunshot wound to the head. Now, mind gunshot wound to the head. Now, mind you, [music] Andrea is driving on the you, [music] Andrea is driving on the you, [music] Andrea is driving on the highway when she gets this news, and she highway when she gets this news, and she highway when she gets this news, and she told us she just started screaming. She told us she just started screaming. She told us she just started screaming. She said that her options were to scream or said that her options were to scream or said that her options were to scream or to pass out. So, she hangs up and, you to pass out. So, she hangs up and, you to pass out. So, she hangs up and, you know, screaming and crying. She somehow know, screaming and crying. She somehow know, screaming and crying. She somehow makes it to school. And basically, as makes it to school. And basically, as makes it to school. And basically, as soon as she gets there, she says she soon as she gets there, she says she soon as she gets there, she says she actually did pass out. when she comes to actually did pass out. when she comes to actually did pass out. when she comes to Andrea calls the number back because Andrea calls the number back because Andrea calls the number back because she's finally got her wits about her. she's finally got her wits about her. she's finally got her wits about her. And now that she does, she's got And now that she does, she's got And now that she does, she's got questions. Like none of this is making questions. Like none of this is making questions. Like none of this is making sense to [music] her. But according to sense to [music] her. But according to sense to [music] her. But according to Andrea, they just tell her again it was Andrea, they just tell her again it was Andrea, they just tell her again it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. We're not going to do an autopsy head. We're not going to do an autopsy head. We're not going to do an autopsy because the cause and manner [music] is because the cause and manner [music] is because the cause and manner [music] is clear to them. And they're not the clear to them. And they're not the clear to them. And they're not the investigator, so they can't really tell investigator, so they can't really tell investigator, so they can't really tell her anything [music] else. So, you know, her anything [music] else. So, you know, her anything [music] else. So, you know, she keeps trying to ask, but they're she keeps trying to ask, but they're she keeps trying to ask, but they're like, "Listen, you got to talk to like, "Listen, you got to talk to like, "Listen, you got to talk to somebody else. She's not getting somebody else. She's not getting somebody else. She's not getting anywhere with this medical examiner's anywhere with this medical examiner's anywhere with this medical examiner's office." So, she says that she tries office." So, she says that she tries office." So, she says that she tries getting a hold of the lead detective on getting a hold of the lead detective on getting a hold of the lead detective on this case. [music] And that would have this case. [music] And that would have this case. [music] And that would have been Detective Andrea Ross. But when she been Detective Andrea Ross. But when she been Detective Andrea Ross. But when she gets her on the phone, Detective Roses gets her on the phone, Detective Roses gets her on the phone, Detective Roses is telling her the same [music] story.

is telling her the same [music] story. is telling her the same [music] story. It was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. It was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. It was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Nathan told first responders about how Nathan told first responders about how Nathan told first responders about how much they'd been drinking, her mom's much they'd been drinking, her mom's much they'd been drinking, her mom's battles with mental health. like, battles with mental health. like, battles with mental health. like, "Sorry, there's really nothing to "Sorry, there's really nothing to "Sorry, there's really nothing to investigate here." Now, Andrea feels investigate here." Now, Andrea feels investigate here." Now, Andrea feels like they're not listening to her and like they're not listening to her and like they're not listening to her and all of the stuff that she feels like all of the stuff that she feels like all of the stuff that she feels like they're leaving out. Yes, her mom had they're leaving out. Yes, her mom had they're leaving out. Yes, her mom had her troubles, but she was in treatment. her troubles, but she was in treatment. her troubles, but she was in treatment. She'd recently completed a mental health She'd recently completed a mental health She'd recently completed a mental health retreat out in Arizona, [music] and she retreat out in Arizona, [music] and she retreat out in Arizona, [music] and she was telling her friends and family how was telling her friends and family how was telling her friends and family how much better she was feeling. She was much better she was feeling. She was much better she was feeling. She was also making plans for the future. She also making plans for the future. She also making plans for the future. She was going to be a bridesmaid in her best was going to be a bridesmaid in her best was going to be a bridesmaid in her best friend Tanya's wedding. She had planned friend Tanya's wedding. She had planned friend Tanya's wedding. She had planned this big trip. She bought a dress, this big trip. She bought a dress, this big trip. She bought a dress, everything. She [music] was excited to everything. She [music] was excited to everything. She [music] was excited to celebrate her friend, and she was celebrate her friend, and she was celebrate her friend, and she was excited about her own life, too. [music] excited about her own life, too. [music] excited about her own life, too. [music] She would not do this, and certainly not She would not do this, and certainly not She would not do this, and certainly not [music] this way. She's not even sure [music] this way. She's not even sure [music] this way. She's not even sure Lkesha could pull a trigger either, by Lkesha could pull a trigger either, by Lkesha could pull a trigger either, by the way, because of her carpal tunnel. the way, because of her carpal tunnel. the way, because of her carpal tunnel. But honestly, that's not even the thing But honestly, that's not even the thing But honestly, that's not even the thing that's driving the majority of her that's driving the majority of her that's driving the majority of her concern. The Nathan of it all is.

concern. The Nathan of it all is. concern. The Nathan of it all is. [music] She tells Detective Roses that [music] She tells Detective Roses that [music] She tells Detective Roses that if her mom is dead, they need to be if her mom is dead, they need to be if her mom is dead, they need to be looking at Lkesha's new fiance, Nathan, looking at Lkesha's new fiance, Nathan, looking at Lkesha's new fiance, Nathan, and they need to do [music] an autopsy. and they need to do [music] an autopsy. and they need to do [music] an autopsy. But according to Andrea, Detective Rosa But according to Andrea, Detective Rosa But according to Andrea, Detective Rosa said that they know what happened to said that they know what happened to said that they know what happened to Lakesha. She shot herself and the Lakesha. She shot herself and the Lakesha. She shot herself and the family's going to need to pay about family's going to need to pay about family's going to need to pay about $7,000 for their own autopsy if that's $7,000 for their own autopsy if that's $7,000 for their own autopsy if that's what they really want. [music] And that what they really want. [music] And that what they really want. [music] And that is where the call ends. But Andrea can't is where the call ends. But Andrea can't is where the call ends. But Andrea can't just drop it. just drop it. just drop it. Even while she's busy planning her mom's Even while she's busy planning her mom's Even while she's busy planning her mom's funeral and trying to raise money to pay funeral and trying to raise money to pay funeral and trying to raise money to pay for it, she keeps following up with for it, she keeps following up with for it, she keeps following up with detectives, offering information about detectives, offering information about detectives, offering information about Nathan and pushing for answers. [music] Nathan and pushing for answers. [music] Nathan and pushing for answers. [music] And whether it's her pushing or And whether it's her pushing or And whether it's her pushing or something else, she finally gets one something else, she finally gets one something else, she finally gets one piece of good news a few days after her piece of good news a few days after her piece of good news a few days after her mom's death. Investigators have decided mom's death. Investigators have decided mom's death. Investigators have decided they are going to do an autopsy [music] they are going to do an autopsy [music] they are going to do an autopsy [music] after all. So, it seems like they might after all. So, it seems like they might after all. So, it seems like they might be getting on the same page, [music] but be getting on the same page, [music] but be getting on the same page, [music] but Andrea is still pretty unhappy with the Andrea is still pretty unhappy with the Andrea is still pretty unhappy with the speed of progress and with the speed of progress and with the speed of progress and with the communication that she's been getting communication that she's been getting communication that she's been getting from the department and Detective Rosa from the department and Detective Rosa from the department and Detective Rosa specifically. It seems like Andrea is specifically. It seems like Andrea is specifically. It seems like Andrea is doing a lot of this leg [music] work.

doing a lot of this leg [music] work. doing a lot of this leg [music] work. Where is Nathan during all of this? Where is Nathan during all of this? Where is Nathan during all of this? >> This is the wild part. He is like fully >> This is the wild part. He is like fully >> This is the wild part. He is like fully ghosting Andrea. Like she found out all ghosting Andrea. Like she found out all ghosting Andrea. Like she found out all this from the medical examiner, this from the medical examiner, this from the medical examiner, remember? And she calls the detective. remember? And she calls the detective. remember? And she calls the detective. He doesn't call her. He doesn't text He doesn't call her. He doesn't text He doesn't call her. He doesn't text [music] her. Like nobody in her family [music] her. Like nobody in her family [music] her. Like nobody in her family has heard from him. Like which is just has heard from him. Like which is just has heard from him. Like which is just so odd to me. It's like radio silence. so odd to me. It's like radio silence. so odd to me. It's like radio silence. >> Yeah. That's so strange. >> Yeah. That's so strange. >> Yeah. That's so strange. >> Yeah. Andrea just feels like she is in >> Yeah. Andrea just feels like she is in >> Yeah. Andrea just feels like she is in this information void [music] like just this information void [music] like just this information void [music] like just suspended in this purgatory waiting for suspended in this purgatory waiting for suspended in this purgatory waiting for autopsy results to come back from the autopsy results to come back from the autopsy results to come back from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. [music] Georgia Bureau of Investigation. [music] Georgia Bureau of Investigation. [music] They're the ones who stepped in to do They're the ones who stepped in to do They're the ones who stepped in to do it. And it's like this for 4 months it. And it's like this for 4 months it. And it's like this for 4 months until Detective Roses finally [music] until Detective Roses finally [music] until Detective Roses finally [music] calls. It's now September 27th, 2023. calls. It's now September 27th, 2023. calls. It's now September 27th, 2023. And she says the GBI has ruled Lkesha's And she says the GBI has ruled Lkesha's And she says the GBI has ruled Lkesha's death a suicide. They say that Lakesha's death a suicide. They say that Lakesha's death a suicide. They say that Lakesha's blood alcohol level was.3 [music] blood alcohol level was.3 [music] blood alcohol level was.3 [music] and she had other drugs in her system and she had other drugs in her system and she had other drugs in her system that could have added to the effects of that could have added to the effects of that could have added to the effects of alcohol like gabapentin. They also point alcohol like gabapentin. They also point alcohol like gabapentin. They also point to blood spatter on Lakesha's right to blood spatter on Lakesha's right to blood spatter on Lakesha's right [music] hand, the one that the gun was [music] hand, the one that the gun was [music] hand, the one that the gun was found in, and they say that is evidence found in, and they say that is evidence found in, and they say that is evidence enough that she was holding the gun in enough that she was holding the gun in enough that she was holding the gun in that hand when she pulled the trigger.

that hand when she pulled the trigger. that hand when she pulled the trigger. And because of that ruling by the GBI, And because of that ruling by the GBI, And because of that ruling by the GBI, Clayton County is officially closing the Clayton County is officially closing the Clayton County is officially closing the case. So, Andrea [music] is just case. So, Andrea [music] is just case. So, Andrea [music] is just shocked. She doesn't believe that her shocked. She doesn't believe that her shocked. She doesn't believe that her mom took her own life or that mom took her own life or that mom took her own life or that investigators have enough information at investigators have enough information at investigators have enough information at least to call this case closed. but least to call this case closed. but least to call this case closed. but she's going to have to turn to other she's going to have to turn to other she's going to have to turn to other means to get answers. So, when Lakesha's means to get answers. So, when Lakesha's means to get answers. So, when Lakesha's life insurance policy finally comes life insurance policy finally comes life insurance policy finally comes through, the first thing that the family through, the first thing that the family through, the first thing that the family does is hire a private investigator, does is hire a private investigator, does is hire a private investigator, Walter Reic. Walter knows how to Walter Reic. Walter knows how to Walter Reic. Walter knows how to navigate the [music] system, and he navigate the [music] system, and he navigate the [music] system, and he knows that they got to start by getting knows that they got to start by getting knows that they got to start by getting their hands on everything that the their hands on everything that the their hands on everything that the police [music] have. What are they police [music] have. What are they police [music] have. What are they working off of to call this case closed? working off of to call this case closed? working off of to call this case closed? He wants to see everything they have He wants to see everything they have He wants to see everything they have from the night Lisha died and every from the night Lisha died and every from the night Lisha died and every report that came [music] after. report that came [music] after. report that came [music] after. That should be easy enough, right? I'm That should be easy enough, right? I'm That should be easy enough, right? I'm in a closed case. in a closed case. in a closed case. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wrong. Her closed case file [music] >> Wrong. Her closed case file [music] >> Wrong. Her closed case file [music] takes 6 months and some legal pressure takes 6 months and some legal pressure takes 6 months and some legal pressure to get [music] released. But it is all to get [music] released. But it is all to get [music] released. But it is all worth it because Walter and Andrea feel worth it because Walter and Andrea feel worth it because Walter and Andrea feel [music] like every bit of evidence in [music] like every bit of evidence in [music] like every bit of evidence in the file tells a different story.

the file tells a different story. the file tells a different story. Starting with Nathan's 911 call, which Starting with Nathan's 911 call, which Starting with Nathan's 911 call, which came into dispatch about 2 and 1/2 hours came into dispatch about 2 and 1/2 hours came into dispatch about 2 and 1/2 hours after his middle of the night call to after his middle of the night call to after his middle of the night call to Andrea. Andrea. Andrea. >> My girlfriend just shot herself and >> My girlfriend just shot herself and >> My girlfriend just shot herself and [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] >> She shot herself. >> She shot herself. >> She shot herself. >> She's not moving though. >> She's not moving though. >> She's not moving though. >> She did that on purpose. >> She did that on purpose. >> She did that on purpose. >> She did it. >> She did it. >> She did it. >> She did that on purpose. >> She did that on purpose. >> She did that on purpose. >> I mean, she put the gun in my hand and I >> I mean, she put the gun in my hand and I >> I mean, she put the gun in my hand and I told her to kill me. I said, "Kill me." told her to kill me. I said, "Kill me." told her to kill me. I said, "Kill me." So, she putting the gun in your hand So, she putting the gun in your hand So, she putting the gun in your hand first and you told her to kill you. first and you told her to kill you. first and you told her to kill you. >> I didn't know she was gone. >> I didn't know she was gone. >> I didn't know she was gone. >> Okay, wait a minute. Calm down. Calm >> Okay, wait a minute. Calm down. Calm >> Okay, wait a minute. Calm down. Calm down. The dispatcher asks again if she down. The dispatcher asks again if she down. The dispatcher asks again if she did this on purpose and Nathan just did this on purpose and Nathan just did this on purpose and Nathan just keeps saying she's crazy. She pointed keeps saying she's crazy. She pointed keeps saying she's crazy. She pointed the gun at her head. Dispatch also keeps the gun at her head. Dispatch also keeps the gun at her head. Dispatch also keeps him talking trying to get more him talking trying to get more him talking trying to get more information on whether the gun was information on whether the gun was information on whether the gun was loaded or not. And he keeps saying that loaded or not. And he keeps saying that loaded or not. And he keeps saying that the gun wasn't loaded. He said that he the gun wasn't loaded. He said that he the gun wasn't loaded. He said that he didn't even have bullets in the house. didn't even have bullets in the house. didn't even have bullets in the house. The gun wasn't even loaded. It wasn't The gun wasn't even loaded. It wasn't The gun wasn't even loaded. It wasn't even loaded. My gun wasn't even loaded. even loaded. My gun wasn't even loaded. even loaded. My gun wasn't even loaded. And who the h got loaded?

And who the h got loaded? And who the h got loaded? >> What's your name? What's your name? Is >> What's your name? What's your name? Is >> What's your name? What's your name? Is she breathing? she breathing? she breathing? >> No, she's not. She put a >> No, she's not. She put a >> No, she's not. She put a pull the trigger. pull the trigger. pull the trigger. >> Nathan keeps offering up information on >> Nathan keeps offering up information on >> Nathan keeps offering up information on the call. He says they've been drinking the call. He says they've been drinking the call. He says they've been drinking and he told her he wasn't going to be and he told her he wasn't going to be and he told her he wasn't going to be with her anymore. He was going to call with her anymore. He was going to call with her anymore. He was going to call off the engagement the day before she off the engagement the day before she off the engagement the day before she was supposed to get back on a plane to was supposed to get back on a plane to was supposed to get back on a plane to Detroit. And you can hear him get more Detroit. And you can hear him get more Detroit. And you can hear him get more and more worked up as he seems to be and more worked up as he seems to be and more worked up as he seems to be talking to Lkesha as she lay dead or talking to Lkesha as she lay dead or talking to Lkesha as she lay dead or dying in front of him. dying in front of him. dying in front of him. >> Oh god. What would you do to yourself? You know What would you do to yourself? You know you got kids. Why would you you got kids. Why would you you got kids. Why would you go? go? go? Listen, I want to try to Listen, I want to try to Listen, I want to try to >> The dispatcher tries calming him down >> The dispatcher tries calming him down >> The dispatcher tries calming him down and letting him know that the paramedics and letting him know that the paramedics and letting him know that the paramedics are on their way and Nathan keeps saying are on their way and Nathan keeps saying are on their way and Nathan keeps saying that he didn't know she was going to do that he didn't know she was going to do that he didn't know she was going to do that and saying, "I'm [music] so sorry." that and saying, "I'm [music] so sorry." that and saying, "I'm [music] so sorry." over and over. And Nathan tells her the over and over. And Nathan tells her the over and over. And Nathan tells her the one thing he kept repeating to one thing he kept repeating to one thing he kept repeating to responding officers when they arrive. I responding officers when they arrive. I responding officers when they arrive. I didn't mean it.

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seemingly quiet residential street. seemingly quiet residential street. [music] Lisha is in the middle of the [music] Lisha is in the middle of the [music] Lisha is in the middle of the living room, spled out with a gun in her living room, spled out with a gun in her living room, spled out with a gun in her right hand and a gunshot wound to the right hand and a gunshot wound to the right hand and a gunshot wound to the same side of her head. There is no doubt same side of her head. There is no doubt same side of her head. There is no doubt that [music] she's deceased. And there's that [music] she's deceased. And there's that [music] she's deceased. And there's Nathan sitting on a couch naked and Nathan sitting on a couch naked and Nathan sitting on a couch naked and crying. And is Lisha naked? crying. And is Lisha naked? crying. And is Lisha naked? >> No. That's the thing. I have no idea why >> No. That's the thing. I have no idea why >> No. That's the thing. I have no idea why Nathan is naked now. He managed to get Nathan is naked now. He managed to get Nathan is naked now. He managed to get like a shirt or something like draped like a shirt or something like draped like a shirt or something like draped over his lap, but like nothing else. over his lap, but like nothing else. over his lap, but like nothing else. [music] And he's crying out. I didn't [music] And he's crying out. I didn't [music] And he's crying out. I didn't mean it. mean it. mean it. >> Which I What does he mean by that? I'm >> Which I What does he mean by that? I'm >> Which I What does he mean by that? I'm so confused by that statement. so confused by that statement. so confused by that statement. >> It's hard to understand him because he >> It's hard to understand him because he >> It's hard to understand him because he is like inconsolable and still seemingly is like inconsolable and still seemingly is like inconsolable and still seemingly under the influence. under the influence. under the influence. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> But I want to play you just this quick >> But I want to play you just this quick >> But I want to play you just this quick clip of one of the officers like first clip of one of the officers like first clip of one of the officers like first interaction with him so you know what I interaction with him so you know what I interaction with him so you know what I mean. Like and this might be a little mean. Like and this might be a little mean. Like and this might be a little bit hard to understand but I'm going to bit hard to understand but I'm going to bit hard to understand but I'm going to come back in. We can talk about it come back in. We can talk about it come back in. We can talk about it after. [music] But I want you to hear after. [music] But I want you to hear after. [music] But I want you to hear exactly like what he says in his words. >> I just didn't mean that.

>> I just didn't mean that. >> Hey, who is she to you? >> Hey, who is she to you? >> Hey, who is she to you? >> I promise you I didn't mean it. >> I promise you I didn't mean it. >> I promise you I didn't mean it. >> Who was she to you? >> Who was she to you? >> Who was she to you? >> That was my fiance. I didn't mean >> That was my fiance. I didn't mean >> That was my fiance. I didn't mean >> What didn't you mean? You didn't mean >> What didn't you mean? You didn't mean >> What didn't you mean? You didn't mean what? I mean, we kind of be all right, what? I mean, we kind of be all right, what? I mean, we kind of be all right, man. I said I didn't want to be here no man. I said I didn't want to be here no man. I said I didn't want to be here no more. And I I just say I I said, more. And I I just say I I said, more. And I I just say I I said, >> "What's her name, man?" >> "What's her name, man?" >> "What's her name, man?" >> What's her name? >> What's her name? >> What's her name? >> Liha. >> Liha. >> Liha. >> Lisha or Nisha? >> Lisha or Nisha? >> Lisha or Nisha? >> Lisha. >> Lisha. >> Lisha. >> What's your name, sir? >> What's your name, sir? >> What's your name, sir? >> Nathan. >> Nathan. >> Nathan. >> Nathan. Calm down for me. Okay. I know >> Nathan. Calm down for me. Okay. I know >> Nathan. Calm down for me. Okay. I know you're very upset. Okay. Your her name you're very upset. Okay. Your her name you're very upset. Okay. Your her name is is is >> I I said she put the gun in my head and >> I I said she put the gun in my head and >> I I said she put the gun in my head and I told her I said, "Kill me, baby." I I told her I said, "Kill me, baby." I I told her I said, "Kill me, baby." I said, "Kill me." Come here. Come here. said, "Kill me." Come here. Come here. said, "Kill me." Come here. Come here. Where your room at? Where your room at? Where your room at? Where your room at? Where your room at? Where your room at? Where your room at, Nathan? Where your room at, Nathan? Where your room at, Nathan? >> Come here. Let's put some pants on. >> Come here. Let's put some pants on. >> Come here. Let's put some pants on. >> So, you heard the officer ask him >> So, you heard the officer ask him >> So, you heard the officer ask him specifically, "What didn't you mean?" specifically, "What didn't you mean?" specifically, "What didn't you mean?" >> And the first thing out of his mouth >> And the first thing out of his mouth >> And the first thing out of his mouth was, "We got in an argument. I said I was, "We got in an argument. I said I was, "We got in an argument. I said I didn't want to be with her." And then he didn't want to be with her." And then he didn't want to be with her." And then he starts crying. So, I think that's starts crying. So, I think that's starts crying. So, I think that's [music] what he's saying. I mean, I [music] what he's saying. I mean, I [music] what he's saying. I mean, I think everyone's assumption when they think everyone's assumption when they think everyone's assumption when they hear like I didn't mean it is like hear like I didn't mean it is like hear like I didn't mean it is like [music] I didn't mean to kill her. I [music] I didn't mean to kill her. I [music] I didn't mean to kill her. I mean, I know that police probably mean, I know that police probably mean, I know that police probably thought that statement was sus because thought that statement was sus because thought that statement was sus because that's the whole reason they brought in that's the whole reason they brought in that's the whole reason they brought in the criminal investigation division, but the criminal investigation division, but the criminal investigation division, but he says stuff to that effect multiple he says stuff to that effect multiple he says stuff to that effect multiple times, talking about him breaking up times, talking about him breaking up times, talking about him breaking up with her and it wasn't worth her doing with her and it wasn't worth her doing with her and it wasn't worth her doing that to herself.

that to herself. that to herself. >> But he's also super intoxicated. Right. >> But he's also super intoxicated. Right. >> But he's also super intoxicated. Right. >> But they never get to ask him about this >> But they never get to ask him about this >> But they never get to ask him about this when he's sober and calm because when when he's sober and calm because when when he's sober and calm because when officers get him down to the station, officers get him down to the station, officers get him down to the station, they have to terminate the interview they have to terminate the interview they have to terminate the interview because he is so intoxicated. [music] because he is so intoxicated. [music] because he is so intoxicated. [music] And spoiler alert, Nathan lawyers up And spoiler alert, Nathan lawyers up And spoiler alert, Nathan lawyers up almost immediately. He is not working almost immediately. He is not working almost immediately. He is not working with detectives and he is not talking. with detectives and he is not talking. with detectives and he is not talking. [music] [music] [music] So, all they have to go off of to paint So, all they have to go off of to paint So, all they have to go off of to paint a picture of what happened is the a picture of what happened is the a picture of what happened is the jumbled words that they captured on body jumbled words that they captured on body jumbled words that they captured on body cam footage from an intoxicated man in cam footage from an intoxicated man in cam footage from an intoxicated man in between [music] between [music] between [music] sobs. And even there, it is really hard sobs. And even there, it is really hard sobs. And even there, it is really hard to paint a picture of what he's saying to paint a picture of what he's saying to paint a picture of what he's saying happened playbyplay because he doesn't happened playbyplay because he doesn't happened playbyplay because he doesn't give a story from start to finish. give a story from start to finish. give a story from start to finish. [music] [music] [music] But he seems to indicate that they got But he seems to indicate that they got But he seems to indicate that they got in an argument about him not going to in an argument about him not going to in an argument about him not going to her mother's [music] funeral. like her her mother's [music] funeral. like her her mother's [music] funeral. like her ex-husband was there and she thought ex-husband was there and she thought ex-husband was there and she thought that he should have been too and then that he should have been too and then that he should have been too and then things escalated from there. I can't things escalated from there. I can't things escalated from there. I can't tell the order in which this happened, tell the order in which this happened, tell the order in which this happened, but he talks about her going to get a but he talks about her going to get a but he talks about her going to get a gun from the bedroom, her pointing a gun gun from the bedroom, her pointing a gun gun from the bedroom, her pointing a gun at him, her leaving and coming back, at him, her leaving and coming back, at him, her leaving and coming back, [music] her firing what she told him was [music] her firing what she told him was [music] her firing what she told him was a warning shot and he heard it come from a warning shot and he heard it come from a warning shot and he heard it come from the hallway and then again pointing the the hallway and then again pointing the the hallway and then again pointing the gun at him and that's when he told her gun at him and that's when he told her gun at him and that's when he told her to just shoot him and she turned the gun to just shoot him and she turned the gun to just shoot him and she turned the gun on herself. Now, over and over, he on herself. Now, over and over, he on herself. Now, over and over, he repeats that there [music] shouldn't repeats that there [music] shouldn't repeats that there [music] shouldn't have been any bullets in the gun. He have been any bullets in the gun. He have been any bullets in the gun. He does not keep it loaded. There shouldn't does not keep it loaded. There shouldn't does not keep it loaded. There shouldn't have been any bullets in the gun. I

have been any bullets in the gun. I have been any bullets in the gun. I don't know if he gave other statements don't know if he gave other statements don't know if he gave other statements at [music] the scene that aren't at [music] the scene that aren't at [music] the scene that aren't captured on body cam footage or if captured on body cam footage or if captured on body cam footage or if officers translating his words into a officers translating his words into a officers translating his words into a report distorts things slightly. [music] report distorts things slightly. [music] report distorts things slightly. [music] But his story does read a little But his story does read a little But his story does read a little different on paper. In a disposition different on paper. In a disposition different on paper. In a disposition summary report authored by Detective summary report authored by Detective summary report authored by Detective Ross, it reads that Nathan said they Ross, it reads that Nathan said they Ross, it reads that Nathan said they were arguing. [music] He told her he were arguing. [music] He told her he were arguing. [music] He told her he wanted to end the relationship. She wanted to end the relationship. She wanted to end the relationship. She grabbed the gun, quote, "Pulled the many grabbed the gun, quote, "Pulled the many grabbed the gun, quote, "Pulled the many times." I think the word trigger might times." I think the word trigger might times." I think the word trigger might be missing cuz it it literally says be missing cuz it it literally says be missing cuz it it literally says pulled the many times. pulled the many times. pulled the many times. >> I mean, that's like a really important >> I mean, that's like a really important >> I mean, that's like a really important word to be missing. word to be missing. word to be missing. >> I know. And it's not like it's redacted, >> I know. And it's not like it's redacted, >> I know. And it's not like it's redacted, just to be clear, like it is missing just to be clear, like it is missing just to be clear, like it is missing word, [music] word, [music] word, [music] >> right? So, she pulled the trigger many >> right? So, she pulled the trigger many >> right? So, she pulled the trigger many times, then she put the firearm to his times, then she put the firearm to his times, then she put the firearm to his head. He [music] said, "Just pull the head. He [music] said, "Just pull the head. He [music] said, "Just pull the trigger." Because he knew there weren't trigger." Because he knew there weren't trigger." Because he knew there weren't bullets. And that's when she put it to bullets. And that's when she put it to bullets. And that's when she put it to her head and fired and [music] the gun, her head and fired and [music] the gun, her head and fired and [music] the gun, I guess, went off. Now, the thing that's I guess, went off. Now, the thing that's I guess, went off. Now, the thing that's not included in the written report is not included in the written report is not included in the written report is the whole like [music] warning shot in the whole like [music] warning shot in the whole like [music] warning shot in the hallway that he talks about on the the hallway that he talks about on the the hallway that he talks about on the body cam footage, like like there should body cam footage, like like there should body cam footage, like like there should be two shots. And if there was a warning be two shots. And if there was a warning be two shots. And if there was a warning shot that why would he think there was shot that why would he think there was shot that why would he think there was no bullets in the gun? Like, I cannot no bullets in the gun? Like, I cannot no bullets in the gun? Like, I cannot wrap my head around the order of events.

wrap my head around the order of events. wrap my head around the order of events. And I'm not saying that they might not And I'm not saying that they might not And I'm not saying that they might not make sense. I just can't make sense of make sense. I just can't make sense of make sense. I just can't make sense of them because he's so inebriated. The them because he's so inebriated. The them because he's so inebriated. The only time that I see him on tape talking only time that I see him on tape talking only time that I see him on tape talking to officers and [music] then some of the to officers and [music] then some of the to officers and [music] then some of the stuff that confuses me just like isn't stuff that confuses me just like isn't stuff that confuses me just like isn't in the actual report. in the actual report. in the actual report. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I think one thing that could kind of >> But I think one thing that could kind of >> But I think one thing that could kind of answer this is did they find a bullet answer this is did they find a bullet answer this is did they find a bullet hole in the hallway from a warning shot? hole in the hallway from a warning shot? hole in the hallway from a warning shot? >> So not in the hallway, but there was >> So not in the hallway, but there was >> So not in the hallway, but there was another shot fired. So, there appeared another shot fired. So, there appeared another shot fired. So, there appeared to be one shot in the bedroom because to be one shot in the bedroom because to be one shot in the bedroom because there was a casing on the pillow and a there was a casing on the pillow and a there was a casing on the pillow and a hole in the ceiling above the bed, but hole in the ceiling above the bed, but hole in the ceiling above the bed, but interestingly, they were never able to interestingly, they were never able to interestingly, they were never able to recover a bullet. And I guess they even recover a bullet. And I guess they even recover a bullet. And I guess they even searched the attic for [music] this searched the attic for [music] this searched the attic for [music] this thing. thing. thing. >> No like blood or anything in there. >> No like blood or anything in there. >> No like blood or anything in there. >> No, no, no. And the bed was like unmade. >> No, no, no. And the bed was like unmade. >> No, no, no. And the bed was like unmade. The sheets are white. It would have been The sheets are white. It would have been The sheets are white. It would have been easy to see if something happened in the easy to see if something happened in the easy to see if something happened in the bedroom. She was definitely shot in the bedroom. She was definitely shot in the bedroom. She was definitely shot in the living room right where she was found. living room right where she was found. living room right where she was found. And to go back to the living room crime And to go back to the living room crime And to go back to the living room crime scene, I can see in the footage the scene, I can see in the footage the scene, I can see in the footage the moment the officers walk into Nathan's moment the officers walk into Nathan's moment the officers walk into Nathan's house. I see a red and black gun in house. I see a red and black gun in house. I see a red and black gun in Lkesha's right hand. One of the officers Lkesha's right hand. One of the officers Lkesha's right hand. One of the officers specifically points out how her finger specifically points out how her finger specifically points out how her finger is like positioned [music] on the gun.

is like positioned [music] on the gun. is like positioned [music] on the gun. It seems like it's almost wrapped around It seems like it's almost wrapped around It seems like it's almost wrapped around the trigger. And there's one police the trigger. And there's one police the trigger. And there's one police report that says, quote, "Her index report that says, quote, "Her index report that says, quote, "Her index finger was observed to be in the trigger finger was observed to be in the trigger finger was observed to be in the trigger guard." Now, at one point in the guard." Now, at one point in the guard." Now, at one point in the footage, one of the officers actually footage, one of the officers actually footage, one of the officers actually makes a comment about that. She better makes a comment about that. She better makes a comment about that. She better not be She might not be left-handed. not be She might not be left-handed. not be She might not be left-handed. >> Oh, we got some explaining to do. >> Oh, we got some explaining to do. >> Oh, we got some explaining to do. >> And guess what? >> And guess what? >> And guess what? >> You're kidding me. She's left-handed. >> You're kidding me. She's left-handed. >> You're kidding me. She's left-handed. >> She is lefthanded. [snorts] >> She is lefthanded. [snorts] >> She is lefthanded. [snorts] [music] And so there is a lot of [music] And so there is a lot of [music] And so there is a lot of explaining to do since the gun is found explaining to do since the gun is found explaining to do since the gun is found in her right in her right in her right >> hand. And listen, even the way that >> hand. And listen, even the way that >> hand. And listen, even the way that she's positioned [music] she's positioned [music] she's positioned [music] and the trajectory of the bullet, it's a and the trajectory of the bullet, it's a and the trajectory of the bullet, it's a little bit off from what Nathan seems to little bit off from what Nathan seems to little bit off from what Nathan seems to tell officers. tell officers. tell officers. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Right? Nathan's saying that she's >> Right? Nathan's saying that she's >> Right? Nathan's saying that she's standing over him when she took her own standing over him when she took her own standing over him when she took her own life. And if you picture it, imagine life. And if you picture it, imagine life. And if you picture it, imagine like if you were Lkesha. So you are like if you were Lkesha. So you are like if you were Lkesha. So you are facing Nathan. He's sitting on the facing Nathan. He's sitting on the facing Nathan. He's sitting on the couch. You're facing him, but you have couch. You're facing him, but you have couch. You're facing him, but you have to fall like straight back because she's to fall like straight back because she's to fall like straight back because she's on her back like completely straight on her back like completely straight on her back like completely straight arm, straight legs, and the blood is arm, straight legs, and the blood is arm, straight legs, and the blood is pulled on the ground right underneath pulled on the ground right underneath pulled on the ground right underneath her head where she dropped. Behind her her head where she dropped. Behind her her head where she dropped. Behind her is the bullet in the door [music] frame.

is the bullet in the door [music] frame. is the bullet in the door [music] frame. So she's standing over him. She shoots So she's standing over him. She shoots So she's standing over him. She shoots the side of her head, but the bullet the side of her head, but the bullet the side of her head, but the bullet goes to a door frame directly across goes to a door frame directly across goes to a door frame directly across from the couch. That is like what would from the couch. That is like what would from the couch. That is like what would be behind her if she's facing him be behind her if she's facing him be behind her if she's facing him straight on. straight on. straight on. >> It would have to make like a right angle >> It would have to make like a right angle >> It would have to make like a right angle turn. turn. turn. >> Now, it's possible that she could have >> Now, it's possible that she could have >> Now, it's possible that she could have been standing like sideway, not directly been standing like sideway, not directly been standing like sideway, not directly facing him and that's how she like facing him and that's how she like facing him and that's how she like [music] fell that way. But it seems like [music] fell that way. But it seems like [music] fell that way. But it seems like a weird way to land, right? Like just a weird way to land, right? Like just a weird way to land, right? Like just straight like that. straight like that. straight like that. >> Yeah. But how she fell or landed, like >> Yeah. But how she fell or landed, like >> Yeah. But how she fell or landed, like put that aside. [music] When put that aside. [music] When put that aside. [music] When investigators track the trajectory of investigators track the trajectory of investigators track the trajectory of the bullet, it is a straight shot the bullet, it is a straight shot the bullet, it is a straight shot through the edge of the door, like in through the edge of the door, like in through the edge of the door, like in the middle of the frame, which would the middle of the frame, which would the middle of the frame, which would have been right around waist height, have been right around waist height, have been right around waist height, even though she supposedly shot herself even though she supposedly shot herself even though she supposedly shot herself in the head. And how tall is she? in the head. And how tall is she? in the head. And how tall is she? >> She's 56. So, the only way for the >> She's 56. So, the only way for the >> She's 56. So, the only way for the bullet to make a straight line from her bullet to make a straight line from her bullet to make a straight line from her head to where it is in the door frame head to where it is in the door frame head to where it is in the door frame was tight. She would have had to have was tight. She would have had to have was tight. She would have had to have been like sitting on the coffee table or been like sitting on the coffee table or been like sitting on the coffee table or kneeling on the floor, not standing over kneeling on the floor, not standing over kneeling on the floor, not standing over Nathan. And this is all in the police Nathan. And this is all in the police Nathan. And this is all in the police report.

report. report. >> Yes. Investigators on the scene made >> Yes. Investigators on the scene made >> Yes. Investigators on the scene made note of it. Now, again, he's very note of it. Now, again, he's very note of it. Now, again, he's very intoxicated. He's sitting. She is, you intoxicated. He's sitting. She is, you intoxicated. He's sitting. She is, you know, looming over him in some way. You know, looming over him in some way. You know, looming over him in some way. You might say standing, right? if you're might say standing, right? if you're might say standing, right? if you're like crouched, whatever. The hard part like crouched, whatever. The hard part like crouched, whatever. The hard part about his statements are that we only about his statements are that we only about his statements are that we only have the ones where he's like so messed have the ones where he's like so messed have the ones where he's like so messed up. He again could have probably cleared up. He again could have probably cleared up. He again could have probably cleared all of this up if he would have like all of this up if he would have like all of this up if he would have like come in and spoke, but he refuses to come in and spoke, but he refuses to come in and spoke, but he refuses to talk to police and then at some point he talk to police and then at some point he talk to police and then at some point he leaves the country. leaves the country. leaves the country. So, is this definitely a homicide with So, is this definitely a homicide with So, is this definitely a homicide with just what we have? No. just what we have? No. just what we have? No. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> But I think this should at least >> But I think this should at least >> But I think this should at least introduce a critical question here. introduce a critical question here. introduce a critical question here. Did Lakesha [music] actually pull the Did Lakesha [music] actually pull the Did Lakesha [music] actually pull the trigger? trigger? trigger? >> I mean, did they do any gunshot residue >> I mean, did they do any gunshot residue >> I mean, did they do any gunshot residue testing? testing? testing? >> I was just [music] about to get there. >> I was just [music] about to get there. >> I was just [music] about to get there. >> Okay. Cuz it's like a pretty like >> Okay. Cuz it's like a pretty like >> Okay. Cuz it's like a pretty like >> That would help, right? >> That would help, right? >> That would help, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes, they did. >> Yes, they did. >> Yes, they did. >> Or at least they did some. This is >> Or at least they did some. This is >> Or at least they did some. This is actually part of the file that really actually part of the file that really actually part of the file that really caught the PI's attention. Records show caught the PI's attention. Records show caught the PI's attention. Records show that officers did test Nathan for that officers did test Nathan for that officers did test Nathan for gunshot residue [music] and the results gunshot residue [music] and the results gunshot residue [music] and the results were positive, but there is nothing in were positive, but there is nothing in were positive, but there is nothing in the police record showing that Lisha was the police record showing that Lisha was the police record showing that Lisha was even tested [music] for gunshot residue.

even tested [music] for gunshot residue. even tested [music] for gunshot residue. Now, Walter tells us that he asked CCPD Now, Walter tells us that he asked CCPD Now, Walter tells us that he asked CCPD about this and they told him that Lkesha about this and they told him that Lkesha about this and they told him that Lkesha was tested [music] and she didn't have was tested [music] and she didn't have was tested [music] and she didn't have any gsr on her hands. And interestingly, any gsr on her hands. And interestingly, any gsr on her hands. And interestingly, they also say or we got from him that they also say or we got from him that they also say or we got from him that they're like, "Oh, you know, anyone in a they're like, "Oh, you know, anyone in a they're like, "Oh, you know, anyone in a room, if you're in a room where a gun is room, if you're in a room where a gun is room, if you're in a room where a gun is shot, you could have GSR." So he they're shot, you could have GSR." So he they're shot, you could have GSR." So he they're they're saying like that doesn't prove they're saying like that doesn't prove they're saying like that doesn't prove necessarily that Nathan was holding it. necessarily that Nathan was holding it. necessarily that Nathan was holding it. >> But if she doesn't have it, like >> But if she doesn't have it, like >> But if she doesn't have it, like >> that proves that she >> that proves that she >> that proves that she >> she's in the same room too, right? Like >> she's in the same room too, right? Like >> she's in the same room too, right? Like am I so like it just this to me the am I so like it just this to me the am I so like it just this to me the gunshot residue, who had on their hands, gunshot residue, who had on their hands, gunshot residue, who had on their hands, who didn't, who was tested and who who didn't, who was tested and who who didn't, who was tested and who wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. It >> feels really important here. >> feels really important here. >> feels really important here. >> It's critical to this whole thing. like >> It's critical to this whole thing. like >> It's critical to this whole thing. like why wouldn't those results be in the why wouldn't those results be in the why wouldn't those results be in the files? So, we went back to CCPD and we files? So, we went back to CCPD and we files? So, we went back to CCPD and we were like, "Hey, is this real?" Like, were like, "Hey, is this real?" Like, were like, "Hey, is this real?" Like, "Can you confirm a that you [music] "Can you confirm a that you [music] "Can you confirm a that you [music] tested her?" tested her?" tested her?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And if you did, can you confirm that she >> And if you did, can you confirm that she >> And if you did, can you confirm that she did? did? did? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, not only did they decline our >> Well, not only did they decline our >> Well, not only did they decline our interview request, they said that they interview request, they said that they interview request, they said that they can't release any GSR analysis because can't release any GSR analysis because can't release any GSR analysis because [music] it is part of the investigative [music] it is part of the investigative [music] it is part of the investigative file and not publicly disclosable. But file and not publicly disclosable. But file and not publicly disclosable. But you [music] got the investigative file you [music] got the investigative file you [music] got the investigative file from the Foya. Right.

from the Foya. Right. from the Foya. Right. >> Right. Right. I don't know why they're >> Right. Right. I don't know why they're >> Right. Right. I don't know why they're holding that information back and like holding that information back and like holding that information back and like especially because this case is closed especially because this case is closed especially because this case is closed >> and Nathan's results are in there. >> and Nathan's results are in there. >> and Nathan's results are in there. >> Right. So it's not like there's like no >> Right. So it's not like there's like no >> Right. So it's not like there's like no records of TSR testing, just his. So records of TSR testing, just his. So records of TSR testing, just his. So >> why not just share if she was tested or >> why not just share if she was tested or >> why not just share if she was tested or not? Especially if this case is as like not? Especially if this case is as like not? Especially if this case is as like clearcut as they're saying. clearcut as they're saying. clearcut as they're saying. >> Yes. [music] Why? Why? But also, you >> Yes. [music] Why? Why? But also, you >> Yes. [music] Why? Why? But also, you said you can for sure see her hand said you can for sure see her hand said you can for sure see her hand touching the gun in the body cam touching the gun in the body cam touching the gun in the body cam footage, right? [music] I Yes. But I footage, right? [music] I Yes. But I footage, right? [music] I Yes. But I can't like properly analyze the position can't like properly analyze the position can't like properly analyze the position or or or >> it's not zoomed in. >> it's not zoomed in. >> it's not zoomed in. >> Yeah. Because I'm like pretty quickly >> Yeah. Because I'm like pretty quickly >> Yeah. Because I'm like pretty quickly officers take it out of her hand and put officers take it out of her hand and put officers take it out of her hand and put it on her side to like secure this it on her side to like secure this it on her side to like secure this scene. It like that's what they're scene. It like that's what they're scene. It like that's what they're saying in the footage. saying in the footage. saying in the footage. >> And here's the thing, like before they >> And here's the thing, like before they >> And here's the thing, like before they do that, I can hear people saying like, do that, I can hear people saying like, do that, I can hear people saying like, "Make sure you take pictures." They're "Make sure you take pictures." They're "Make sure you take pictures." They're talking about taking photos of her hand talking about taking photos of her hand talking about taking photos of her hand holding the gun, but those pictures holding the gun, but those pictures holding the gun, but those pictures [music] don't exist anywhere in the file [music] don't exist anywhere in the file [music] don't exist anywhere in the file we were given. And mind you, we were we were given. And mind you, we were we were given. And mind you, we were given I said hundreds of photos, all the given I said hundreds of photos, all the given I said hundreds of photos, all the body cam footage, and these photos are body cam footage, and these photos are body cam footage, and these photos are graphic. I swear there are moments I graphic. I swear there are moments I graphic. I swear there are moments I could almost see them taking the photo could almost see them taking the photo could almost see them taking the photo on phones. I don't know why they're not on phones. I don't know why they're not on phones. I don't know why they're not included.

included. included. >> But yeah, anything [music] to do with >> But yeah, anything [music] to do with >> But yeah, anything [music] to do with her holding the gun, her holding the gun, her holding the gun, >> not in the file. >> not in the file. >> not in the file. >> Weirdly, just >> Weirdly, just >> Weirdly, just >> pictures of her holding the gun, not in >> pictures of her holding the gun, not in >> pictures of her holding the gun, not in the file. which again, and I can see it the file. which again, and I can see it the file. which again, and I can see it on body cam footage. I just can't see it on body cam footage. I just can't see it on body cam footage. I just can't see it up close. I'm not saying she was not up close. I'm not saying she was not up close. I'm not saying she was not holding the gun. But like those pictures holding the gun. But like those pictures holding the gun. But like those pictures gone, the gsr gone. It's just [music] gone, the gsr gone. It's just [music] gone, the gsr gone. It's just [music] weird. But there's something else that weird. But there's something else that weird. But there's something else that catches the PI's attention in the case catches the PI's attention in the case catches the PI's attention in the case [music] file, though. Pretty early on in [music] file, though. Pretty early on in [music] file, though. Pretty early on in them responding to the scene. One of them responding to the scene. One of them responding to the scene. One of Nathan's sons pulls up. Now, how he knew Nathan's sons pulls up. Now, how he knew Nathan's sons pulls up. Now, how he knew to show up is a little unclear because to show up is a little unclear because to show up is a little unclear because he says that his dad didn't call him. He he says that his dad didn't call him. He he says that his dad didn't call him. He just heard from a neighbor that police just heard from a neighbor that police just heard from a neighbor that police were there and he lives close by. were there and he lives close by. were there and he lives close by. [music] But then a little bit later he [music] But then a little bit later he [music] But then a little bit later he said he was just talking to his dad. So said he was just talking to his dad. So said he was just talking to his dad. So like I would love to see the phone like I would love to see the phone like I would love to see the phone records for who Nathan was calling that records for who Nathan was calling that records for who Nathan was calling that morning and when. So his phone data is morning and when. So his phone data is morning and when. So his phone data is not part of the record. not part of the record. not part of the record. >> No, they I know asked him for [music] >> No, they I know asked him for [music] >> No, they I know asked him for [music] his passcode to his phone. Like they his passcode to his phone. Like they his passcode to his phone. Like they collected it, ask for his passcode. He collected it, ask for his passcode. He collected it, ask for his passcode. He wouldn't give it to them and then I wouldn't give it to them and then I wouldn't give it to them and then I don't see anything else. I don't see a don't see anything else. I don't see a don't see anything else. I don't see a search warrant for his phone or any search warrant for his phone or any search warrant for his phone or any records related to his phone.

records related to his phone. records related to his phone. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> But like they called this closed from >> But like they called this closed from >> But like they called this closed from like day one. like day one. like day one. >> This huge miss in my book. But I'm >> This huge miss in my book. But I'm >> This huge miss in my book. But I'm telling you the sun story to tell you telling you the sun story to tell you telling you the sun story to tell you what one of the officers said when the what one of the officers said when the what one of the officers said when the sun like first pulled up. So police see sun like first pulled up. So police see sun like first pulled up. So police see this car pulling in. They stop it, tell this car pulling in. They stop it, tell this car pulling in. They stop it, tell them you can't park in the driveway or them you can't park in the driveway or them you can't park in the driveway or something. So the car like backs out and something. So the car like backs out and something. So the car like backs out and the officer is coming back and he's the officer is coming back and he's the officer is coming back and he's like, "Oh, I thought that was going to like, "Oh, I thought that was going to like, "Oh, I thought that was going to be the same woman who we had gotten be the same woman who we had gotten be the same woman who we had gotten called out here about before." And when called out here about before." And when called out here about before." And when the PI hears this, he's like, "Whoa, the PI hears this, he's like, "Whoa, the PI hears this, he's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? What is he whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? What is he whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? What is he talking about? Getting called out to talking about? Getting called out to talking about? Getting called out to Nathan's house to deal with a woman. Nathan's house to deal with a woman. Nathan's house to deal with a woman. Like, what? So, he does some more Like, what? So, he does some more Like, what? So, he does some more records requests cuz that's definitely records requests cuz that's definitely records requests cuz that's definitely nothing about this is included in nothing about this is included in nothing about this is included in Lakesha's file anywhere. [music] And Lakesha's file anywhere. [music] And Lakesha's file anywhere. [music] And it's probably not included in the file it's probably not included in the file it's probably not included in the file anywhere because the woman in this anywhere because the woman in this anywhere because the woman in this incident wasn't Lkesha. incident wasn't Lkesha. incident wasn't Lkesha. But holy crap, when I tell you what this But holy crap, when I tell you what this But holy crap, when I tell you what this was all about, I don't know how you was all about, I don't know how you was all about, I don't know how you could say it's not related.

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2023. 2023. We obtained the report and three 911 We obtained the report and three 911 We obtained the report and three 911 calls from that incident ourselves. calls from that incident ourselves. calls from that incident ourselves. [music] [music] [music] I just called for a um for a a police I just called for a um for a a police I just called for a um for a a police escort at my ex-boyfriend to get my escort at my ex-boyfriend to get my escort at my ex-boyfriend to get my stuff out of his house. He just walked stuff out of his house. He just walked stuff out of his house. He just walked outside the house. I'm on the street outside the house. I'm on the street outside the house. I'm on the street parked on the street. He walked outside parked on the street. He walked outside parked on the street. He walked outside up the driveway and pointed a gun at me. up the driveway and pointed a gun at me. up the driveway and pointed a gun at me. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I told him he has a weapon, but it was >> I told him he has a weapon, but it was >> I told him he has a weapon, but it was on the nightstand Friday, Saturday, and on the nightstand Friday, Saturday, and on the nightstand Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And I told him to put up and put Sunday. And I told him to put up and put Sunday. And I told him to put up and put up. I didn't think he would pull it out up. I didn't think he would pull it out up. I didn't think he would pull it out and use it, but you know, he has told me and use it, but you know, he has told me and use it, but you know, he has told me before that when he first bought the before that when he first bought the before that when he first bought the gun, he I thought he was just playing, gun, he I thought he was just playing, gun, he I thought he was just playing, but he said he was going to shoot me, but he said he was going to shoot me, but he said he was going to shoot me, rape me, and watch me bleed to death. rape me, and watch me bleed to death. rape me, and watch me bleed to death. Shoot me in the head and watch me bleed Shoot me in the head and watch me bleed Shoot me in the head and watch me bleed to death. We had an argument. to death. We had an argument. to death. We had an argument. >> He just came outside and aimed that gun >> He just came outside and aimed that gun >> He just came outside and aimed that gun at me. at me. at me. >> Dispatch asks if he'd gone back inside >> Dispatch asks if he'd gone back inside >> Dispatch asks if he'd gone back inside and she says yes. She was trying to get and she says yes. She was trying to get and she says yes. She was trying to get a video of him aiming the gun at her, a video of him aiming the gun at her, a video of him aiming the gun at her, but he went back inside. And she says but he went back inside. And she says but he went back inside. And she says that she's not leaving because she wants that she's not leaving because she wants that she's not leaving because she wants her stuff. So, she [music] waits outside her stuff. So, she [music] waits outside her stuff. So, she [music] waits outside for officers to arrive. Am I doing the for officers to arrive. Am I doing the for officers to arrive. Am I doing the math wrong? How long were Nathan and math wrong? How long were Nathan and math wrong? How long were Nathan and Lisha together?

Lisha together? Lisha together? >> I don't think you are. Andrea told us >> I don't think you are. Andrea told us >> I don't think you are. Andrea told us that her mom and Nathan's relationship that her mom and Nathan's relationship that her mom and Nathan's relationship [music] obviously wasn't always the [music] obviously wasn't always the [music] obviously wasn't always the best, but it was pretty consistent since best, but it was pretty consistent since best, but it was pretty consistent since they started dating in 2021. they started dating in 2021. they started dating in 2021. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> In the police report, this woman said >> In the police report, this woman said >> In the police report, this woman said that her relationship with Nathan was that her relationship with Nathan was that her relationship with Nathan was off and on, but it feels like there is off and on, but it feels like there is off and on, but it feels like there is overlap to me. Our reporter, Taylor Day, overlap to me. Our reporter, Taylor Day, overlap to me. Our reporter, Taylor Day, tried getting in touch with that woman, tried getting in touch with that woman, tried getting in touch with that woman, but she hasn't responded to our request, but she hasn't responded to our request, but she hasn't responded to our request, so I can't [music] confirm that for so I can't [music] confirm that for so I can't [music] confirm that for sure. sure. sure. >> And did Nathan get charged with anything >> And did Nathan get charged with anything >> And did Nathan get charged with anything in that case? in that case? in that case? >> No, because they never even talked to >> No, because they never even talked to >> No, because they never even talked to him or went inside the house that him or went inside the house that him or went inside the house that [music] time. The responding officers [music] time. The responding officers [music] time. The responding officers wrote that they tried making contact wrote that they tried making contact wrote that they tried making contact with him. They knocked on the door, with him. They knocked on the door, with him. They knocked on the door, everything, whatever, but like no one everything, whatever, but like no one everything, whatever, but like no one answered and he like couldn't hear answered and he like couldn't hear answered and he like couldn't hear anyone inside. [music] anyone inside. [music] anyone inside. [music] >> But he's clearly in there, right? Like >> But he's clearly in there, right? Like >> But he's clearly in there, right? Like did the woman see him leave? did the woman see him leave? did the woman see him leave? >> Well, not that I see anywhere. [music] >> Well, not that I see anywhere. [music] >> Well, not that I see anywhere. [music] The officer wrote that he tried calling The officer wrote that he tried calling The officer wrote that he tried calling the suspect, but there was no answer. the suspect, but there was no answer. the suspect, but there was no answer. And there weren't any like shell casings And there weren't any like shell casings And there weren't any like shell casings by the front doors by the front doors by the front doors >> because he aimed at her, but he [music] >> because he aimed at her, but he [music] >> because he aimed at her, but he [music] didn't shoot at her, didn't shoot at her, didn't shoot at her, >> right? And there was a Ring doorbell, >> right? And there was a Ring doorbell, >> right? And there was a Ring doorbell, but they couldn't view the footage.

but they couldn't view the footage. but they couldn't view the footage. Basically, they had no probable cause to Basically, they had no probable cause to Basically, they had no probable cause to get a warrant on him, so they just let get a warrant on him, so they just let get a warrant on him, so they just let this go. Now, we asked CCPD about this this go. Now, we asked CCPD about this this go. Now, we asked CCPD about this incident, and they only told us that incident, and they only told us that incident, and they only told us that there were no charges ever pressed there were no charges ever pressed there were no charges ever pressed [music] against Nathan. But by the way, [music] against Nathan. But by the way, [music] against Nathan. But by the way, Britt, that gun that she's referring to Britt, that gun that she's referring to Britt, that gun that she's referring to is black and red, the same gun that is black and red, the same gun that is black and red, the same gun that officers find in Lkesha's hand 3 months officers find in Lkesha's hand 3 months officers find in Lkesha's hand 3 months after this incident. after this incident. after this incident. Now, we also tried getting in touch with Now, we also tried getting in touch with Now, we also tried getting in touch with Nathan for this, obviously, to ask him Nathan for this, obviously, to ask him Nathan for this, obviously, to ask him about both incidents, [music] but he about both incidents, [music] but he about both incidents, [music] but he hasn't returned our calls or our text hasn't returned our calls or our text hasn't returned our calls or our text messages. And I know we have the right messages. And I know we have the right messages. And I know we have the right number, or at least we should have the number, or at least we should have the number, or at least we should have the right number because it's the same one right number because it's the same one right number because it's the same one that he used to call Andrea just 2 years that he used to call Andrea just 2 years that he used to call Andrea just 2 years ago. And this would have been a year ago. And this would have been a year ago. And this would have been a year after her mom died. Now, mind you, after her mom died. Now, mind you, after her mom died. Now, mind you, Nathan fully ghosted Andrea after her Nathan fully ghosted Andrea after her Nathan fully ghosted Andrea after her mom died. didn't even tell her that her mom died. didn't even tell her that her mom died. didn't even tell her that her mom died. She learned that through mom died. She learned that through mom died. She learned that through detectives. [music] detectives. [music] detectives. [music] >> And by the time that the PI got >> And by the time that the PI got >> And by the time that the PI got involved, Nathan was already like involved, Nathan was already like involved, Nathan was already like lawyered up and refusing to cooperate.

lawyered up and refusing to cooperate. lawyered up and refusing to cooperate. So the PI didn't even reach out to him. So the PI didn't even reach out to him. So the PI didn't even reach out to him. >> So it's not like Nathan like went off >> So it's not like Nathan like went off >> So it's not like Nathan like went off the grid and like people couldn't find the grid and like people couldn't find the grid and like people couldn't find him or anything. But still, he's just him or anything. But still, he's just him or anything. But still, he's just been like radio [music] silent until out been like radio [music] silent until out been like radio [music] silent until out of the blue, a year after her mom died, of the blue, a year after her mom died, of the blue, a year after her mom died, Andrea gets this call that she recorded Andrea gets this call that she recorded Andrea gets this call that she recorded [music] and shared with us. Now, it's [music] and shared with us. Now, it's [music] and shared with us. Now, it's not super long, but I have cut it down not super long, but I have cut it down not super long, but I have cut it down to just what I think are the most to just what I think are the most to just what I think are the most important parts. important parts. important parts. >> I'm getting back in the country. I got >> I'm getting back in the country. I got >> I'm getting back in the country. I got they they told me that the investigation they they told me that the investigation they they told me that the investigation was over and I can pick up my stuff. I was over and I can pick up my stuff. I was over and I can pick up my stuff. I got my stuff, my phone, and my daughter got my stuff, my phone, and my daughter got my stuff, my phone, and my daughter my daughter told me that she's saying my daughter told me that she's saying my daughter told me that she's saying something online saying that uh um that something online saying that uh um that something online saying that uh um that that you guys said that I killed your that you guys said that I killed your that you guys said that I killed your mom. And I'm like, "What? mom. And I'm like, "What? mom. And I'm like, "What? >> You did? >> You did? >> You did? >> What? How would I kill I didn't kill >> What? How would I kill I didn't kill >> What? How would I kill I didn't kill your mom. Your mom me and your mom had a your mom. Your mom me and your mom had a your mom. Your mom me and your mom had a good night, everything. Her friend good night, everything. Her friend good night, everything. Her friend called her. Her friend called her and called her. Her friend called her and called her. Her friend called her and told her cuz she didn't want to go to told her cuz she didn't want to go to told her cuz she didn't want to go to the wedding. I remember this too. friend the wedding. I remember this too. friend the wedding. I remember this too. friend called her and told her if she didn't called her and told her if she didn't called her and told her if she didn't come to her wedding, she was never going come to her wedding, she was never going come to her wedding, she was never going to see her again. Then your mom start to see her again. Then your mom start to see her again. Then your mom start drinking hemp, drinking, drinking. So drinking hemp, drinking, drinking. So drinking hemp, drinking, drinking. So you got to you got to you got to stop drinking. I said, I don't. And then stop drinking. I said, I don't. And then stop drinking. I said, I don't. And then I called, she went out, she went I called, she went out, she went I called, she went out, she went outside, went out and left. And I called outside, went out and left. And I called outside, went out and left. And I called you. I said, I don't know what's wrong you. I said, I don't know what's wrong you. I said, I don't know what's wrong with your mom. Don't remember that.

with your mom. Don't remember that. with your mom. Don't remember that. >> Yeah. What all did you What all did you >> Yeah. What all did you What all did you >> Yeah. What all did you What all did you say? say? say? >> I said we was drinking. >> I said we was drinking. >> I said we was drinking. You know, so I don't I don't kind of You know, so I don't I don't kind of You know, so I don't I don't kind of remember everything that I told you remember everything that I told you remember everything that I told you would happen at night, but because she would happen at night, but because she would happen at night, but because she was out of control. Then she came back was out of control. Then she came back was out of control. Then she came back and my gun was on the on the and my gun was on the on the and my gun was on the on the grab the gun and she put it to my hand. grab the gun and she put it to my hand. grab the gun and she put it to my hand. So I'm thinking that it's nothing in the So I'm thinking that it's nothing in the So I'm thinking that it's nothing in the gun anyway. So I I beg I said go ahead gun anyway. So I I beg I said go ahead gun anyway. So I I beg I said go ahead and kill me. I said I'm ready to go see and kill me. I said I'm ready to go see and kill me. I said I'm ready to go see my mom and dad anyway. So then she took my mom and dad anyway. So then she took my mom and dad anyway. So then she took the gun off to me, went back in the the gun off to me, went back in the the gun off to me, went back in the bedroom. So the gun didn't have no bedroom. So the gun didn't have no bedroom. So the gun didn't have no bullets in it anyway. I only had two bullets in it anyway. I only had two bullets in it anyway. I only had two bullets. They was in my It was in my bullets. They was in my It was in my bullets. They was in my It was in my jewelry box. So in between that time she jewelry box. So in between that time she jewelry box. So in between that time she was in the room, I'm still in the in the was in the room, I'm still in the in the was in the room, I'm still in the in the living room listening to music. I hear living room listening to music. I hear living room listening to music. I hear the gun go off shooting in the ceiling. the gun go off shooting in the ceiling. the gun go off shooting in the ceiling. So I'm like, "There's no bullets in that So I'm like, "There's no bullets in that So I'm like, "There's no bullets in that gun." And then she said, "That could gun." And then she said, "That could gun." And then she said, "That could warn I."

warn I." warn I." So I was like, "Well, that must have So I was like, "Well, that must have So I was like, "Well, that must have been the one that was in the chamber." been the one that was in the chamber." been the one that was in the chamber." But when she came out with the gun, I But when she came out with the gun, I But when she came out with the gun, I was in the living room, came out with was in the living room, came out with was in the living room, came out with it, put to her head, pointed to her it, put to her head, pointed to her it, put to her head, pointed to her head, said she was going to say, "No, head, said she was going to say, "No, head, said she was going to say, "No, you ain't going to do this. Stop. Stop you ain't going to do this. Stop. Stop you ain't going to do this. Stop. Stop doing doing doing kept walking in front of me and some kept walking in front of me and some kept walking in front of me and some kind of trip and the gun went off. kind of trip and the gun went off. kind of trip and the gun went off. That was it." That was it." That was it." >> So there is a lot to unpack there. I >> So there is a lot to unpack there. I >> So there is a lot to unpack there. I mean, for the most part, his story isn't mean, for the most part, his story isn't mean, for the most part, his story isn't that different from what he told police that different from what he told police that different from what he told police the day of Lkesha's [music] the day of Lkesha's [music] the day of Lkesha's [music] death, but there are some glaring death, but there are some glaring death, but there are some glaring inconsistencies, [music] like the fact inconsistencies, [music] like the fact inconsistencies, [music] like the fact that she tripped. that she tripped. that she tripped. >> Where did that come from? >> Where did that come from? >> Where did that come from? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I scoured the records and I couldn't >> I scoured the records and I couldn't >> I scoured the records and I couldn't find anywhere that Nathan told police find anywhere that Nathan told police find anywhere that Nathan told police tripped [music] and the gun went off. I tripped [music] and the gun went off. I tripped [music] and the gun went off. I mean, her tripping would kind of make mean, her tripping would kind of make mean, her tripping would kind of make more sense, at least to me, then if more sense, at least to me, then if more sense, at least to me, then if >> with like the bullet trajectory bullet >> with like the bullet trajectory bullet >> with like the bullet trajectory bullet trajectory, that's not what he said trajectory, that's not what he said trajectory, that's not what he said happened before. He said that she turned happened before. He said that she turned happened before. He said that she turned the gun on herself because of their the gun on herself because of their the gun on herself because of their argument because he was going to break argument because he was going to break argument because he was going to break up with her.

up with her. up with her. >> An argument which is >> An argument which is >> An argument which is now about something else now about something else now about something else >> that too, right? Like at the scene, he's >> that too, right? Like at the scene, he's >> that too, right? Like at the scene, he's saying that she did it because he was saying that she did it because he was saying that she did it because he was going to break up with her. They had going to break up with her. They had going to break up with her. They had fought about him not going to her mom's fought about him not going to her mom's fought about him not going to her mom's funeral, right? The fight escalated. He funeral, right? The fight escalated. He funeral, right? The fight escalated. He threatened to break up with her. Now threatened to break up with her. Now threatened to break up with her. Now there's this whole other thing before there's this whole other thing before there's this whole other thing before this, like [music] where she starts this, like [music] where she starts this, like [music] where she starts drinking because her friend threatened drinking because her friend threatened drinking because her friend threatened to cut her or cut ties with her if she to cut her or cut ties with her if she to cut her or cut ties with her if she didn't come to her wedding. I mean, didn't come to her wedding. I mean, didn't come to her wedding. I mean, maybe both are true. Like, if that's maybe both are true. Like, if that's maybe both are true. Like, if that's what started her drinking that night and what started her drinking that night and what started her drinking that night and then she got upset over other stuff, he then she got upset over other stuff, he then she got upset over other stuff, he could have just found out about the could have just found out about the could have just found out about the fight in [music] like the fight with the fight in [music] like the fight with the fight in [music] like the fight with the friend in the year or so like since or friend in the year or so like since or friend in the year or so like since or something. something. something. >> Except no. Well, I mean, first of all, >> Except no. Well, I mean, first of all, >> Except no. Well, I mean, first of all, like I don't think he's talking to like I don't think he's talking to like I don't think he's talking to anyone again in anyone again in anyone again in >> he's ghosting everybody. >> he's ghosting everybody. >> he's ghosting everybody. >> Everybody. >> Everybody. >> Everybody. >> And he didn't find out about anything >> And he didn't find out about anything >> And he didn't find out about anything because none of that is true. At least because none of that is true. At least because none of that is true. At least according to the friend. according to the friend. according to the friend. >> There's nothing to find out. >> There's nothing to find out. >> There's nothing to find out. >> The friend that he's referring to is >> The friend that he's referring to is >> The friend that he's referring to is Lkesha's best friend of over 30 years, Lkesha's best friend of over 30 years, Lkesha's best friend of over 30 years, [music] Tanya Malone, who was willing to [music] Tanya Malone, who was willing to [music] Tanya Malone, who was willing to talk to us and answer my biggest talk to us and answer my biggest talk to us and answer my biggest questions.

questions. questions. Did you tell Lkesha that you wouldn't Did you tell Lkesha that you wouldn't Did you tell Lkesha that you wouldn't see her again if she didn't come to your see her again if she didn't come to your see her again if she didn't come to your wedding? [music] And she says, "No, wedding? [music] And she says, "No, wedding? [music] And she says, "No, more than that," she's like, "Lisha more than that," she's like, "Lisha more than that," she's like, "Lisha didn't tell me anything about not even didn't tell me anything about not even didn't tell me anything about not even being able to make it." She's like, "The being able to make it." She's like, "The being able to make it." She's like, "The last I heard from her was that she was last I heard from her was that she was last I heard from her was that she was [music] like printing out her travel [music] like printing out her travel [music] like printing out her travel plans." And earlier, Lkesha had told her plans." And earlier, Lkesha had told her plans." And earlier, Lkesha had told her that the only thing that could keep her that the only thing that could keep her that the only thing that could keep her from Tanya's wedding was nothing but from Tanya's wedding was nothing but from Tanya's wedding was nothing but death. So, let me play a little more of death. So, let me play a little more of death. So, let me play a little more of Nathan's call to Andrea for you. Nathan's call to Andrea for you. Nathan's call to Andrea for you. >> So, what are you calling me for right >> So, what are you calling me for right >> So, what are you calling me for right now? now? now? >> I mean, I just got my phone back. So, I >> I mean, I just got my phone back. So, I >> I mean, I just got my phone back. So, I I I said, "Well, let me call her and let I I said, "Well, let me call her and let I I said, "Well, let me call her and let her know because I couldn't call you and her know because I couldn't call you and her know because I couldn't call you and talk. I couldn't call I couldn't call talk. I couldn't call I couldn't call talk. I couldn't call I couldn't call nobody before." So, I just wanted to nobody before." So, I just wanted to nobody before." So, I just wanted to straighten it out, let you know what straighten it out, let you know what straighten it out, let you know what happened because they told me, "Do not happened because they told me, "Do not happened because they told me, "Do not call y'all." They would tell y'all what call y'all." They would tell y'all what call y'all." They would tell y'all what happened. happened. happened. But apparently, they didn't tell y'all But apparently, they didn't tell y'all But apparently, they didn't tell y'all what happened. You didn't tell them what what happened. You didn't tell them what what happened. You didn't tell them what happened either. happened either. happened either. >> I told them everything what happened. I >> I told them everything what happened. I >> I told them everything what happened. I told I told the investigator what told I told the investigator what told I told the investigator what happened the first time. I told her she happened the first time. I told her she happened the first time. I told her she kept coming she kept want me to come kept coming she kept want me to come kept coming she kept want me to come down there and tell her what happened down there and tell her what happened down there and tell her what happened again and again and again again. I was again and again and again again. I was again and again and again again. I was like no I I don't want to relive this like no I I don't want to relive this like no I I don't want to relive this over and over.

over and over. over and over. >> It wouldn't have happened period cuz she >> It wouldn't have happened period cuz she >> It wouldn't have happened period cuz she didn't she she didn't do that. She don't didn't she she didn't do that. She don't didn't she she didn't do that. She don't even know how to use a gun. even know how to use a gun. even know how to use a gun. >> Are you kidding me? Your mom just Your >> Are you kidding me? Your mom just Your >> Are you kidding me? Your mom just Your mom used to be in a gang. mom used to be in a gang. mom used to be in a gang. >> So you So you just went out the country >> So you So you just went out the country >> So you So you just went out the country just and been gone ever since. just and been gone ever since. just and been gone ever since. >> I mean I I was devastated. I mean I'm >> I mean I I was devastated. I mean I'm >> I mean I I was devastated. I mean I'm I'm moving out of this country, you I'm moving out of this country, you I'm moving out of this country, you know. know. know. >> So now life just gets to go on for you >> So now life just gets to go on for you >> So now life just gets to go on for you after this this just and it's been a after this this just and it's been a after this this just and it's been a whole year later and you just now whole year later and you just now whole year later and you just now reaching out. reaching out. reaching out. >> I was told I couldn't contact you. >> I was told I couldn't contact you. >> I was told I couldn't contact you. >> That's that's that's just crazy to me. >> That's that's that's just crazy to me. >> That's that's that's just crazy to me. That's not what I was told. I don't know That's not what I was told. I don't know That's not what I was told. I don't know what you was told, but I know what I was what you was told, but I know what I was what you was told, but I know what I was told. told. told. I'm just devastated as you are. I'm not I'm just devastated as you are. I'm not I'm just devastated as you are. I'm not I I have no reason to cry about I love I I have no reason to cry about I love I I have no reason to cry about I love your mom. I mean, why would I why would your mom. I mean, why would I why would your mom. I mean, why would I why would I? I? I? >> Same question I want to know. >> Same question I want to know. >> Same question I want to know. >> Cuz remember when I called you, I said >> Cuz remember when I called you, I said >> Cuz remember when I called you, I said something wrong with your mom. I told something wrong with your mom. I told something wrong with your mom. I told you left my house and went walking you left my house and went walking you left my house and went walking >> and you hung up on me because you said >> and you hung up on me because you said >> and you hung up on me because you said that she was at the doorbell and I never that she was at the doorbell and I never that she was at the doorbell and I never heard the doorbell. I said she was at heard the doorbell. I said she was at heard the doorbell. I said she was at the door. Came in the door.

the door. Came in the door. the door. Came in the door. >> That's not what you said. You said that >> That's not what you said. You said that >> That's not what you said. You said that she was ringing the doorbell nonstop. she was ringing the doorbell nonstop. she was ringing the doorbell nonstop. >> I never locked the door. Well, no. I >> I never locked the door. Well, no. I >> I never locked the door. Well, no. I don't [ __ ] ringing the doorbell. I don't [ __ ] ringing the doorbell. I don't [ __ ] ringing the doorbell. I never even locked the door. never even locked the door. never even locked the door. >> I remember the conversation like it was >> I remember the conversation like it was >> I remember the conversation like it was yesterday. It's me that's traumatized, yesterday. It's me that's traumatized, yesterday. It's me that's traumatized, not you. not you. not you. >> I'm traumatized myself. I was >> I'm traumatized myself. I was >> I'm traumatized myself. I was traumatized myself. I mean, I know this traumatized myself. I mean, I know this traumatized myself. I mean, I know this is your mom and I'm glad and everything, is your mom and I'm glad and everything, is your mom and I'm glad and everything, but some things when you see something but some things when you see something but some things when you see something can't unsee it. can't unsee it. can't unsee it. That's pretty much the end of their That's pretty much the end of their That's pretty much the end of their conversation. [music] Nathan trying to conversation. [music] Nathan trying to conversation. [music] Nathan trying to explain why he is more traumatized than explain why he is more traumatized than explain why he is more traumatized than Andrea and that her mom would have been Andrea and that her mom would have been Andrea and that her mom would have been comfortable with guns because she was in comfortable with guns because she was in comfortable with guns because she was in a gang, which Andrea said is a total a gang, which Andrea said is a total a gang, which Andrea said is a total lie. So, while we had Tanya on the lie. So, while we had Tanya on the lie. So, while we had Tanya on the phone, I also wanted to ask her about phone, I also wanted to ask her about phone, I also wanted to ask her about this. Was Lisha ever in a gang? And this. Was Lisha ever in a gang? And this. Was Lisha ever in a gang? And [music] Tanya literally just laughed. [music] Tanya literally just laughed. [music] Tanya literally just laughed. She told our reporter that the only gang She told our reporter that the only gang She told our reporter that the only gang Lkesha was in was a mama gang. She was Lkesha was in was a mama gang. She was Lkesha was in was a mama gang. She was busy raising her kids, getting her busy raising her kids, getting her busy raising her kids, getting her degree. She said that Lkesha did not degree. She said that Lkesha did not degree. She said that Lkesha did not have time to be in a gang. She also said have time to be in a gang. She also said have time to be in a gang. She also said that Lkesha didn't go looking for that Lkesha didn't go looking for that Lkesha didn't go looking for violence, but if it came to her, she was violence, but if it came to her, she was violence, but if it came to her, she was going to put up a fight. [music] And going to put up a fight. [music] And going to put up a fight. [music] And Andrea helped clarify what that meant.

Andrea helped clarify what that meant. Andrea helped clarify what that meant. She said that if Lkesha was wronged, it She said that if Lkesha was wronged, it She said that if Lkesha was wronged, it wasn't out of the realm of possibility wasn't out of the realm of possibility wasn't out of the realm of possibility for things to get physical. [music] But for things to get physical. [music] But for things to get physical. [music] But she never used weapons, guns, knives, she never used weapons, guns, knives, she never used weapons, guns, knives, none of that. Also, why is Nathan trying none of that. Also, why is Nathan trying none of that. Also, why is Nathan trying to gaslight her into thinking that he to gaslight her into thinking that he to gaslight her into thinking that he never mentioned the doorbell or Lisha never mentioned the doorbell or Lisha never mentioned the doorbell or Lisha banging on the door that night? And banging on the door that night? And banging on the door that night? And like, so that 4:00 a.m. call to Andrea like, so that 4:00 a.m. call to Andrea like, so that 4:00 a.m. call to Andrea wasn't recorded. So, no one but her and wasn't recorded. So, no one but her and wasn't recorded. So, no one but her and Nathan know what was said on that call. Nathan know what was said on that call. Nathan know what was said on that call. [music] [music] [music] But you know what could tell us the But you know what could tell us the But you know what could tell us the absolute truth of whether or not Lkesha absolute truth of whether or not Lkesha absolute truth of whether or not Lkesha was outside banging on the door, ringing was outside banging on the door, ringing was outside banging on the door, ringing the bell, or if she came out of Nathan's the bell, or if she came out of Nathan's the bell, or if she came out of Nathan's bedroom with the gun in her hand. How bedroom with the gun in her hand. How bedroom with the gun in her hand. How about the cameras that were at Nathan's about the cameras that were at Nathan's about the cameras that were at Nathan's place? Except there is just one problem. In the police records, [music] In the police records, [music] detectives got a search warrant to detectives got a search warrant to detectives got a search warrant to collect both the Ring doorbell camera collect both the Ring doorbell camera collect both the Ring doorbell camera that Nathan had at his front door and that Nathan had at his front door and that Nathan had at his front door and the camera that he had inside that the camera that he had inside that the camera that he had inside that covered the hallway of his house, the covered the hallway of his house, the covered the hallway of his house, the one that went from the bedroom to the one that went from the bedroom to the one that went from the bedroom to the living [music] room. But if footage was living [music] room. But if footage was living [music] room. But if footage was pulled, stored, reviewed, pulled, stored, reviewed, pulled, stored, reviewed, can't tell you [music] can't tell you [music] can't tell you [music] because there isn't anything else about because there isn't anything else about because there isn't anything else about the cameras in the file [music] and none

the cameras in the file [music] and none the cameras in the file [music] and none of the footage was released to us. Was of the footage was released to us. Was of the footage was released to us. Was the PI able to get it? the PI able to get it? the PI able to get it? >> No. Now, he's saying that they never >> No. Now, he's saying that they never >> No. Now, he's saying that they never reviewed any footage [music] from any reviewed any footage [music] from any reviewed any footage [music] from any camera, like they being the police, camera, like they being the police, camera, like they being the police, though I don't know like where he got though I don't know like where he got though I don't know like where he got that information and you know, we're that information and you know, we're that information and you know, we're just getting that from him. So, just getting that from him. So, just getting that from him. So, >> I was like, listen, if this is legit, we >> I was like, listen, if this is legit, we >> I was like, listen, if this is legit, we need to like verify that with the need to like verify that with the need to like verify that with the department, right? So, we reached out to department, right? So, we reached out to department, right? So, we reached out to them. Our reporter, Taylor, had actually them. Our reporter, Taylor, had actually them. Our reporter, Taylor, had actually emailed Major Francisco Romero, who is emailed Major Francisco Romero, who is emailed Major Francisco Romero, who is the commander of the criminal the commander of the criminal the commander of the criminal investigations division at CCPD, but it investigations division at CCPD, but it investigations division at CCPD, but it was so weird. So we like ask about these was so weird. So we like ask about these was so weird. So we like ask about these cameras in this email and his response cameras in this email and his response cameras in this email and his response back was like I can't talk to you about back was like I can't talk to you about back was like I can't talk to you about the cameras because this is an open and the cameras because this is an open and the cameras because this is an open and active case. active case. active case. >> What which the first that I'm hearing of >> What which the first that I'm hearing of >> What which the first that I'm hearing of this? this? this? >> So I was like go back to him and be like >> So I was like go back to him and be like >> So I was like go back to him and be like actually is it? So we went back and was actually is it? So we went back and was actually is it? So we went back and was like hey we've been told we had this like hey we've been told we had this like hey we've been told we had this email of you telling the family that email of you telling the family that email of you telling the family that like everyone believes that this case is like everyone believes that this case is like everyone believes that this case is closed.

closed. closed. >> Is that is there new information? True. >> Is that is there new information? True. >> Is that is there new information? True. >> Yeah. Is someone working this? >> Yeah. Is someone working this? >> Yeah. Is someone working this? >> Is it reopened? >> Is it reopened? >> Is it reopened? >> And so he replies and he was like, you >> And so he replies and he was like, you >> And so he replies and he was like, you know, he didn't say this. He was like, know, he didn't say this. He was like, know, he didn't say this. He was like, oopsy Daisy. He was basically like, I oopsy Daisy. He was basically like, I oopsy Daisy. He was basically like, I misspoke. [music] It is closed. misspoke. [music] It is closed. misspoke. [music] It is closed. Which leads me back to my first Which leads me back to my first Which leads me back to my first question. So like now that question. So like now that question. So like now that >> answer the question. >> answer the question. >> answer the question. >> Now that we're on the same page about >> Now that we're on the same page about >> Now that we're on the same page about this being a closed case. Talk to me this being a closed case. Talk to me this being a closed case. Talk to me about the cameras. about the cameras. about the cameras. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, he is saying that he is still not >> Well, he is saying that he is still not >> Well, he is saying that he is still not going to disclose anything about that, going to disclose anything about that, going to disclose anything about that, at least [music] as of this recording. at least [music] as of this recording. at least [music] as of this recording. So I don't know what was on those So I don't know what was on those So I don't know what was on those cameras. I know they collected them, but cameras. I know they collected them, but cameras. I know they collected them, but did they actually review the footage, did they actually review the footage, did they actually review the footage, store the footage, collect the [music] store the footage, collect the [music] store the footage, collect the [music] footage? Walter thinks cameras or no footage? Walter thinks cameras or no footage? Walter thinks cameras or no cameras, they the police should see what cameras, they the police should see what cameras, they the police should see what he sees, even without all of that. he sees, even without all of that. he sees, even without all of that. >> He thinks there's at least enough to get >> He thinks there's at least enough to get >> He thinks there's at least enough to get them to reopen the case. He says between them to reopen the case. He says between them to reopen the case. He says between what he's been told about the gunshot what he's been told about the gunshot what he's been told about the gunshot residue test, what we know is in the residue test, what we know is in the residue test, what we know is in the file about Nathan's positive test, file about Nathan's positive test, file about Nathan's positive test, >> what we know about the bullet >> what we know about the bullet >> what we know about the bullet trajectory, [music] how the gun was trajectory, [music] how the gun was trajectory, [music] how the gun was found in her right hand when she was found in her right hand when she was found in her right hand when she was left-handed.

left-handed. left-handed. And now, by the way, when he's he's got And now, by the way, when he's he's got And now, by the way, when he's he's got this recorded call where Nathan is this recorded call where Nathan is this recorded call where Nathan is saying that Lkesha tripped and the gun saying that Lkesha tripped and the gun saying that Lkesha tripped and the gun [music] went off. So Walter thinks like [music] went off. So Walter thinks like [music] went off. So Walter thinks like with all of this, there's enough for with all of this, there's enough for with all of this, there's enough for police to at least take a second look. police to at least take a second look. police to at least take a second look. So he goes [music] to them with all of So he goes [music] to them with all of So he goes [music] to them with all of this and he asks, but they [music] say this and he asks, but they [music] say this and he asks, but they [music] say no. Now, by this point, Walter and no. Now, by this point, Walter and no. Now, by this point, Walter and Andrea are working with an attorney Andrea are working with an attorney Andrea are working with an attorney [music] named Chelsea Golding, and she [music] named Chelsea Golding, and she [music] named Chelsea Golding, and she requests a meeting with the medical requests a meeting with the medical requests a meeting with the medical examiner at [music] the GBI, right? Like examiner at [music] the GBI, right? Like examiner at [music] the GBI, right? Like if if we're going back, Clayton County if if we're going back, Clayton County if if we're going back, Clayton County relied heavily on the GBI's death ruling relied heavily on the GBI's death ruling relied heavily on the GBI's death ruling [music] [music] [music] to close the case. So they're like, to close the case. So they're like, to close the case. So they're like, maybe if we can get that changed, then maybe if we can get that changed, then maybe if we can get that changed, then they'll reconsider. So in November 2024, they'll reconsider. So in November 2024, they'll reconsider. So in November 2024, [music] Walter and Chelsea get on a Zoom [music] Walter and Chelsea get on a Zoom [music] Walter and Chelsea get on a Zoom call with Dr. Keith Layman. He's the call with Dr. Keith Layman. He's the call with Dr. Keith Layman. He's the GBIM me who performed Lkesha's autopsy, GBIM me who performed Lkesha's autopsy, GBIM me who performed Lkesha's autopsy, [music] [music] [music] and they walk him through what they and they walk him through what they and they walk him through what they found, even explain that the police have found, even explain that the police have found, even explain that the police have pretty much all of this information. pretty much all of this information. pretty much all of this information. It's not like this is like new or It's not like this is like new or It's not like this is like new or hearsay. And I have to imagine that hearsay. And I have to imagine that hearsay. And I have to imagine that Walter was shocked when Dr. Layman tells Walter was shocked when Dr. Layman tells Walter was shocked when Dr. Layman tells him he didn't have any of this him he didn't have any of this him he didn't have any of this information when he made his ruling. He information when he made his ruling. He information when he made his ruling. He wasn't given photos of the death scene.

wasn't given photos of the death scene. wasn't given photos of the death scene. He didn't have the investigative He didn't have the investigative He didn't have the investigative context. Now, in the official autopsy context. Now, in the official autopsy context. Now, in the official autopsy report, it says that the only evidence report, it says that the only evidence report, it says that the only evidence they received was the deedent. [music] they received was the deedent. [music] they received was the deedent. [music] Nothing else is listed. CCPD gave us a Nothing else is listed. CCPD gave us a Nothing else is listed. CCPD gave us a blanket statement that they quote blanket statement that they quote blanket statement that they quote provide all legally required and provide all legally required and provide all legally required and relevant investigative summaries to the relevant investigative summaries to the relevant investigative summaries to the GBI to assist in their findings. [music] GBI to assist in their findings. [music] GBI to assist in their findings. [music] end quote. And I understand wanting to end quote. And I understand wanting to end quote. And I understand wanting to get an unbiased opinion, right? But the get an unbiased opinion, right? But the get an unbiased opinion, right? But the context clearly matters. context clearly matters. context clearly matters. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because I know it does here because Dr. >> Because I know it does here because Dr. >> Because I know it does here because Dr. Layman takes some time to review the Layman takes some time to review the Layman takes some time to review the additional materials that Walter gave additional materials that Walter gave additional materials that Walter gave him. [music] And a couple of weeks after him. [music] And a couple of weeks after him. [music] And a couple of weeks after their meeting, the GBI officially their meeting, the GBI officially their meeting, the GBI officially changes Lkesha's manner of death [music] changes Lkesha's manner of death [music] changes Lkesha's manner of death [music] from suicide to undetermined. from suicide to undetermined. from suicide to undetermined. And this feels like the second big win. And this feels like the second big win. And this feels like the second big win. Andrea and the family get finally Andrea and the family get finally Andrea and the family get finally someone is listening to their please and someone is listening to their please and someone is listening to their please and seeing the things that don't add up. Now seeing the things that don't add up. Now seeing the things that don't add up. Now that the GBI has changed their ruling, that the GBI has changed their ruling, that the GBI has changed their ruling, Chelsea and Walter go back to CCPD, have Chelsea and Walter go back to CCPD, have Chelsea and Walter go back to CCPD, have a sit down with Major Romero and some a sit down with Major Romero and some a sit down with Major Romero and some other brass as Walter called them. But other brass as Walter called them. But other brass as Walter called them. But there was one person missing, someone there was one person missing, someone there was one person missing, someone they specifically requested to speak they specifically requested to speak they specifically requested to speak with, [music] and that was Detective with, [music] and that was Detective with, [music] and that was Detective Rosas, who was the primary detective on Rosas, who was the primary detective on Rosas, who was the primary detective on this case.

this case. this case. Now, Major Romero still listens as Now, Major Romero still listens as Now, Major Romero still listens as Walter walks them through his [music] Walter walks them through his [music] Walter walks them through his [music] findings, and they seem receptive to findings, and they seem receptive to findings, and they seem receptive to wanting to find the truth, but they like wanting to find the truth, but they like wanting to find the truth, but they like take this in. They're not going to make take this in. They're not going to make take this in. They're not going to make the decision in the room. Months go by, the decision in the room. Months go by, the decision in the room. Months go by, and then in February of 2026, Major and then in February of 2026, Major and then in February of 2026, Major Romero comes back with [music] a Romero comes back with [music] a Romero comes back with [music] a decision. In an email to Chelsea, who is decision. In an email to Chelsea, who is decision. In an email to Chelsea, who is the lawyer, he says that they looked at the lawyer, he says that they looked at the lawyer, he says that they looked at the original investigation and they the original investigation and they the original investigation and they [music] are not reopening Lkesha's case. [music] are not reopening Lkesha's case. [music] are not reopening Lkesha's case. He also says that the GBI only changed He also says that the GBI only changed He also says that the GBI only changed their ruling because of pressure from their ruling because of pressure from their ruling because of pressure from the family. He says the information that the family. He says the information that the family. He says the information that they gave him didn't turn up any new they gave him didn't turn up any new they gave him didn't turn up any new leads. [music] He says they're leads. [music] He says they're leads. [music] He says they're heartbroken for Miss Thompson's family heartbroken for Miss Thompson's family heartbroken for Miss Thompson's family and will keep them in his thoughts and and will keep them in his thoughts and and will keep them in his thoughts and [music] prayers. Andrea and team gets [music] prayers. Andrea and team gets [music] prayers. Andrea and team gets pretty much the same response when they pretty much the same response when they pretty much the same response when they try to take all of this to the DA. They try to take all of this to the DA. They try to take all of this to the DA. They could call a grand jury, but the DA could call a grand jury, but the DA could call a grand jury, but the DA tells Andrea's attorney that they're tells Andrea's attorney that they're tells Andrea's attorney that they're deferring to CCPD, who is deferring to CCPD, who is deferring to CCPD, who is >> refusing to reopen the case at all, >> refusing to reopen the case at all, >> refusing to reopen the case at all, [music] [music] [music] >> which is why Andrea came to us to help >> which is why Andrea came to us to help >> which is why Andrea came to us to help share her mom's story. Clayton County share her mom's story. Clayton County share her mom's story. Clayton County stands by their decision. Major Romero stands by their decision. Major Romero stands by their decision. Major Romero responded to our request for comment and responded to our request for comment and responded to our request for comment and said that the case is closed. Now we're said that the case is closed. Now we're said that the case is closed. Now we're on the same page.

on the same page. on the same page. >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> But if new, credible, and verifiable >> But if new, credible, and verifiable >> But if new, credible, and verifiable evidence becomes available, they'll evidence becomes available, they'll evidence becomes available, they'll review it. review it. review it. >> But >> But >> But here is what the point of this episode here is what the point of this episode here is what the point of this episode is for me. I'm not saying Nathan has to is for me. I'm not saying Nathan has to is for me. I'm not saying Nathan has to be arrested [music] be arrested [music] be arrested [music] and tried. I don't know what happened in and tried. I don't know what happened in and tried. I don't know what happened in that home, that home, that home, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But there should be evidence that tells >> But there should be evidence that tells >> But there should be evidence that tells us. So this is the ask. This is the us. So this is the ask. This is the us. So this is the ask. This is the pressure I want to apply. If it is so pressure I want to apply. If it is so pressure I want to apply. If it is so black and white and the answers are all black and white and the answers are all black and white and the answers are all right there in the case files, [music] right there in the case files, [music] right there in the case files, [music] then release everything. then release everything. then release everything. >> Then show us >> Then show us >> Then show us >> why are you holding back certain >> why are you holding back certain >> why are you holding back certain information like GSR results for Lisha information like GSR results for Lisha information like GSR results for Lisha or any kind of digital evidence. The or any kind of digital evidence. The or any kind of digital evidence. The technology in the house could very well technology in the house could very well technology in the house could very well show what happened in those early hours show what happened in those early hours show what happened in those early hours that day. What could phone data show? that day. What could phone data show? that day. What could phone data show? The gaps in evidence being released is The gaps in evidence being released is The gaps in evidence being released is what leaves all of this room for doubt. what leaves all of this room for doubt. what leaves all of this room for doubt. And like, forget me. Who cares if I have And like, forget me. Who cares if I have And like, forget me. Who cares if I have questions? Andrea should not have to questions? Andrea should not have to questions? Andrea should not have to live with these kinds of questions.

live with these kinds of questions. live with these kinds of questions. >> Show her. Show Walter. If you can't show >> Show her. Show Walter. If you can't show >> Show her. Show Walter. If you can't show them proof that Lkesha took her own them proof that Lkesha took her own them proof that Lkesha took her own life, [music] well, then that's when we life, [music] well, then that's when we life, [music] well, then that's when we have a bigger problem on our hands, have a bigger problem on our hands, have a bigger problem on our hands, don't we? If a full and thorough don't we? If a full and thorough don't we? If a full and thorough investigation was done, show us. And for investigation was done, show us. And for investigation was done, show us. And for anyone out there, if you have relevant anyone out there, if you have relevant anyone out there, if you have relevant information about Lakesha Thompson or information about Lakesha Thompson or information about Lakesha Thompson or Nathan Fitton, you can send that to Nathan Fitton, you can send that to Nathan Fitton, you can send that to Clayton County PD. They still classify Clayton County PD. They still classify Clayton County PD. They still classify this case as closed. So, also feel free this case as closed. So, also feel free this case as closed. So, also feel free to send information to us. Our email is to send information to us. Our email is to send information to us. Our email is tipsuck.com. tipsuck.com. tipsuck.com. And in light of our discussion of And in light of our discussion of And in light of our discussion of suicide today, I want to remind people suicide today, I want to remind people suicide today, I want to remind people that if you or anyone you know is that if you or anyone you know is that if you or anyone you know is thinking about suicide, [music] please thinking about suicide, [music] please thinking about suicide, [music] please know that emotional support can be know that emotional support can be know that emotional support can be reached by calling or texting the reached by calling or texting the reached by calling or texting the suicide and crisis lifeline at 988. Crime Junkie is an audiochuck Crime Junkie is an audiochuck production. production. production. I think Chuck would approve.