Did a Friendship Built on Lies Lead to Kacee Terry’s Death?

Hi Crime Junkies, I'm your host Ashley Hi Crime Junkies, I'm your host Ashley Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. >> And I'm Brit. >> And I'm Brit. >> And I'm Brit. >> And the story I have for you today is >> And the story I have for you today is >> And the story I have for you today is one with [music] a twist I never saw one with [music] a twist I never saw one with [music] a twist I never saw coming. coming. coming. It's about the complicated relationship It's about the complicated relationship It's about the complicated relationship between [music] two best friends and the between [music] two best friends and the between [music] two best friends and the dissection of 28,000 dissection of 28,000 dissection of 28,000 text messages that led up to a single text messages that led up to a single text messages that led up to a single night in August of 2024. night in August of 2024. night in August of 2024. Two women, a girls day, Two women, a girls day, Two women, a girls day, and only one of them is still living to and only one of them is still living to and only one of them is still living to talk about it. talk about it. talk about it. At the heart of this story is one At the heart of this story is one At the heart of this story is one question. Who was in control? question. Who was in control? question. Who was in control? The answer is far more complicated than The answer is far more complicated than The answer is far more complicated than you would think. you would think. you would think. And it's a reminder of our very first And it's a reminder of our very first And it's a reminder of our very first life rule. life rule. life rule. You never really know anyone, You never really know anyone, You never really know anyone, ever. ever. ever. This is the story of Kasey Terry. It's the evening of August 12th, 2024 It's the evening of August 12th, 2024 and a man named Mark Farnsworth is heads and a man named Mark Farnsworth is heads and a man named Mark Farnsworth is heads down working in the office of his down working in the office of his down working in the office of his parents home [music] in Highland, Utah.

parents home [music] in Highland, Utah. parents home [music] in Highland, Utah. And around 9:00 p.m. his dad pops into And around 9:00 p.m. his dad pops into And around 9:00 p.m. his dad pops into the office saying that he's kind of the office saying that he's kind of the office saying that he's kind of worried about Mark's 38-year-old niece, worried about Mark's 38-year-old niece, worried about Mark's 38-year-old niece, Kasey [music] Terry. Kasey lives in the Kasey [music] Terry. Kasey lives in the Kasey [music] Terry. Kasey lives in the house with them. There was a lot of house with them. There was a lot of house with them. There was a lot of people in this family home, but he people in this family home, but he people in this family home, but he hadn't heard from Kasey or seen her all hadn't heard from Kasey or seen her all hadn't heard from Kasey or seen her all day. day. day. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And he doesn't just like barge into the >> And he doesn't just like barge into the >> And he doesn't just like barge into the basement where she lives. She's like a basement where she lives. She's like a basement where she lives. She's like a grown woman after all, but he'd been grown woman after all, but he'd been grown woman after all, but he'd been calling and calling. She just [music] calling and calling. She just [music] calling and calling. She just [music] won't pick up her phone. So, he's hoping won't pick up her phone. So, he's hoping won't pick up her phone. So, he's hoping that maybe Mark can just like go down that maybe Mark can just like go down that maybe Mark can just like go down and check on her. and check on her. and check on her. >> And why can't he? >> And why can't he? >> And why can't he? >> Well, this is Mark's dad who's like >> Well, this is Mark's dad who's like >> Well, this is Mark's dad who's like older and so I don't know if he he older and so I don't know if he he older and so I don't know if he he almost never went down there, but I almost never went down there, but I almost never went down there, but I don't know if that's just like hard for don't know if that's just like hard for don't know if that's just like hard for him to go like up and down the stairs or him to go like up and down the stairs or him to go like up and down the stairs or whatever. So, Mark gets up. [music] He whatever. So, Mark gets up. [music] He whatever. So, Mark gets up. [music] He makes his way down the staircase. It's makes his way down the staircase. It's makes his way down the staircase. It's totally dark in the hall that leads to totally dark in the hall that leads to totally dark in the hall that leads to Kasey's room. So, Mark flicks on [music] Kasey's room. So, Mark flicks on [music] Kasey's room. So, Mark flicks on [music] a light. a light. a light. And when he opens Kasey's door, even And when he opens Kasey's door, even And when he opens Kasey's door, even though the lights are off inside the though the lights are off inside the though the lights are off inside the room, room, room, the hall light shines [music] in and the hall light shines [music] in and the hall light shines [music] in and illuminates a very strange scene. illuminates a very strange scene. illuminates a very strange scene. Casey is thrashing [music] around on her Casey is thrashing [music] around on her Casey is thrashing [music] around on her bed, seemingly unconscious, like bed, seemingly unconscious, like bed, seemingly unconscious, like gurgling and struggling to breathe.

gurgling and struggling to breathe. gurgling and struggling to breathe. And surrounding her in the room are And surrounding her in the room are And surrounding her in the room are three other people in the dark [music] three other people in the dark [music] three other people in the dark [music] just calmly watching her. just calmly watching her. just calmly watching her. Now, there is one woman sitting in a Now, there is one woman sitting in a Now, there is one woman sitting in a recliner at the head of the bed, another recliner at the head of the bed, another recliner at the head of the bed, another sitting in a rolling chair, and a man sitting in a rolling chair, and a man sitting in a rolling chair, and a man standing behind the woman in the chair. standing behind the woman in the chair. standing behind the woman in the chair. Mark doesn't know who these people are Mark doesn't know who these people are Mark doesn't know who these people are or what the F is going on, but it feels or what the F is going on, but it feels or what the F is going on, but it feels like he is the only concerned one in the like he is the only concerned one in the like he is the only concerned one in the room. So, he starts asking [music] room. So, he starts asking [music] room. So, he starts asking [music] questions, like, "How long has she been questions, like, "How long has she been questions, like, "How long has she been like this?" And the woman in the like this?" And the woman in the like this?" And the woman in the recliner answers, recliner answers, recliner answers, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> "A couple of hours." "Hours?" Mark hears >> "A couple of hours." "Hours?" Mark hears >> "A couple of hours." "Hours?" Mark hears this and immediately says that he's this and immediately says that he's this and immediately says that he's going to go call an ambulance. But this going to go call an ambulance. But this going to go call an ambulance. But this is when he finally gets a reaction from is when he finally gets a reaction from is when he finally gets a reaction from the woman in the recliner. She freaks the woman in the recliner. She freaks the woman in the recliner. She freaks out and tells Mark [music] he can't call out and tells Mark [music] he can't call out and tells Mark [music] he can't call anyone because Casey has a DNR. She anyone because Casey has a DNR. She anyone because Casey has a DNR. She wouldn't want [music] to go to the wouldn't want [music] to go to the wouldn't want [music] to go to the hospital. This woman says she is Casey's hospital. This woman says she is Casey's hospital. This woman says she is Casey's healthcare proxy. healthcare proxy. healthcare proxy. >> Okay, but Mark doesn't even know who >> Okay, but Mark doesn't even know who >> Okay, but Mark doesn't even know who this woman is. this woman is. this woman is. >> Exactly. So, quickly, Mark calls Casey's >> Exactly. So, quickly, Mark calls Casey's >> Exactly. So, quickly, Mark calls Casey's sister, Kylie, because if anyone would sister, Kylie, because if anyone would sister, Kylie, because if anyone would know about Casey having a DNR, it would know about Casey having a DNR, it would know about Casey having a DNR, it would be her.

be her. be her. >> sister. >> sister. >> sister. >> Yeah, when she picks up the phone, >> Yeah, when she picks up the phone, >> Yeah, when she picks up the phone, Mark's like, "Listen, Casey's in trouble Mark's like, "Listen, Casey's in trouble Mark's like, "Listen, Casey's in trouble and I feel like I need to call the and I feel like I need to call the and I feel like I need to call the paramedics. Does she have a DNR?" paramedics. Does she have a DNR?" paramedics. Does she have a DNR?" >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And Kylie says, "No." Now, before >> And Kylie says, "No." Now, before >> And Kylie says, "No." Now, before hanging up to call 911, Mark tells her hanging up to call 911, Mark tells her hanging up to call 911, Mark tells her that there is someone [music] in the that there is someone [music] in the that there is someone [music] in the room saying otherwise. And this is the room saying otherwise. And this is the room saying otherwise. And this is the first time that Mark asked the woman in first time that Mark asked the woman in first time that Mark asked the woman in the recliner for her name. And she says the recliner for her name. And she says the recliner for her name. And she says she's Megan, Casey's [music] best she's Megan, Casey's [music] best she's Megan, Casey's [music] best friend, and the people with her are her friend, and the people with her are her friend, and the people with her are her parents. parents. parents. >> Wait, whose parents? >> Wait, whose parents? >> Wait, whose parents? >> Megan's parents. >> Megan's parents. >> Megan's parents. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Now, Mark at least recognizes Megan's >> Now, Mark at least recognizes Megan's >> Now, Mark at least recognizes Megan's name. He's just never seen her in person name. He's just never seen her in person name. He's just never seen her in person before. But when he relays this to Kylie before. But when he relays this to Kylie before. But when he relays this to Kylie over the phone, he says [music] that over the phone, he says [music] that over the phone, he says [music] that Kylie immediately changes her tone. She Kylie immediately changes her tone. She Kylie immediately changes her tone. She gets loud and she says, "Get her out of gets loud and she says, "Get her out of gets loud and she says, "Get her out of there. She's there to kill Casey." there. She's there to kill Casey." there. She's there to kill Casey." >> What? [music] >> What? [music] >> What? [music] >> In the two seconds she has before Mark >> In the two seconds she has before Mark >> In the two seconds she has before Mark hangs up and calls for help, Kylie hangs up and calls for help, Kylie hangs up and calls for help, Kylie either gives him the need-to-know either gives him the need-to-know either gives him the need-to-know information so that he understands what information so that he understands what information so that he understands what he's dealing with or he's like pieced he's dealing with or he's like pieced he's dealing with or he's like pieced together more just by knowing Megan's together more just by knowing Megan's together more just by knowing Megan's name. But either way, he now has a name. But either way, he now has a name. But either way, he now has a chilling realization that he'll relay to chilling realization that he'll relay to chilling realization that he'll relay to 911 on this very first call.

911 on this very first call. 911 on this very first call. >> 911, what's the address of your >> 911, what's the address of your >> 911, what's the address of your emergency? emergency? emergency? >> Highland, Utah. >> Highland, Utah. >> Highland, Utah. >> Okay, tell me exactly what's happened. >> Okay, tell me exactly what's happened. >> Okay, tell me exactly what's happened. >> Okay, my niece lives here. This is my >> Okay, my niece lives here. This is my >> Okay, my niece lives here. This is my parents' home and she lives with my parents' home and she lives with my parents' home and she lives with my parents. She's parents. She's parents. She's had major, major health issues and she's had major, major health issues and she's had major, major health issues and she's unconscious and she's been taking Lasix unconscious and she's been taking Lasix unconscious and she's been taking Lasix for fluid on her lungs. for fluid on her lungs. for fluid on her lungs. But it sounds like she's But it sounds like she's But it sounds like she's drowning. drowning. drowning. And I don't know if she's overdosed on And I don't know if she's overdosed on And I don't know if she's overdosed on something. something. something. >> Okay, I'm getting help started that way. >> Okay, I'm getting help started that way. >> Okay, I'm getting help started that way. Stay on the line for me. I'm going to Stay on the line for me. I'm going to Stay on the line for me. I'm going to have a few questions for you, okay? have a few questions for you, okay? have a few questions for you, okay? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And are you with her now? >> And are you with her now? >> And are you with her now? >> Well, she's downstairs in her bedroom. >> Well, she's downstairs in her bedroom. >> Well, she's downstairs in her bedroom. I'm upstairs. I'm upstairs. I'm upstairs. >> Okay. And then, how old is she? >> Okay. And then, how old is she? >> Okay. And then, how old is she? >> She's like 37 or somewhere in that >> She's like 37 or somewhere in that >> She's like 37 or somewhere in that neighborhood. neighborhood. neighborhood. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. And is she awake? And is she awake? And is she awake? >> No. [music] >> No. [music] >> No. [music] >> Is she breathing?

>> Is she breathing? >> Is she breathing? >> Yes, she's breathing but it's really >> Yes, she's breathing but it's really >> Yes, she's breathing but it's really labored and it sounds like she's got labored and it sounds like she's got labored and it sounds like she's got [music] a lot of fluid in her lungs. [music] a lot of fluid in her lungs. [music] a lot of fluid in her lungs. >> Okay. And is she still unconscious? >> Okay. And is she still unconscious? >> Okay. And is she still unconscious? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is her You said she was in the basement, >> Is her You said she was in the basement, >> Is her You said she was in the basement, correct? correct? correct? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And is the front door the best >> Okay. And is the front door the best >> Okay. And is the front door the best access for my paramedics? access for my paramedics? access for my paramedics? >> Yes. Well, no. I'm going to open the >> Yes. Well, no. I'm going to open the >> Yes. Well, no. I'm going to open the garage door. Tell them to pull up to the garage door. Tell them to pull up to the garage door. Tell them to pull up to the end of the driveway. end of the driveway. end of the driveway. And I'm going to open the garage door. And I'm going to open the garage door. And I'm going to open the garage door. >> Okay, and then tell me when the >> Okay, and then tell me when the >> Okay, and then tell me when the paramedics are right there with her. paramedics are right there with her. paramedics are right there with her. And then you said she also possibly has And then you said she also possibly has And then you said she also possibly has taken medications today? taken medications today? taken medications today? >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, she's >> Yeah, she's >> Yeah, she's we got a um issue here. She Her friend we got a um issue here. She Her friend we got a um issue here. She Her friend has been here all day. has been here all day. has been here all day. And her friend And her friend And her friend um um um used to be the beneficiary on her life used to be the beneficiary on her life used to be the beneficiary on her life insurance policy. insurance policy. insurance policy. >> Okay. And then really quickly, was this >> Okay. And then really quickly, was this >> Okay. And then really quickly, was this accidental or intentional for the accidental or intentional for the accidental or intentional for the possible overdose?

possible overdose? possible overdose? >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, we don't know. We don't know if the we don't know. We don't know if the we don't know. We don't know if the friend friend friend >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> has been giving her anything or not. The >> has been giving her anything or not. The >> has been giving her anything or not. The friend was here when I came down here. friend was here when I came down here. friend was here when I came down here. Her parents were here. Her parents were here. Her parents were here. And when I told them I was calling for And when I told them I was calling for And when I told them I was calling for the ambulance, the ambulance, the ambulance, they all got upset. they all got upset. they all got upset. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And so, we're not sure >> And so, we're not sure >> And so, we're not sure if they find some if they find some if they find some some chemical in her system, some chemical in her system, some chemical in her system, we're going to look at that with the friend. with the friend. If she thinks she's still the If she thinks she's still the If she thinks she's still the beneficiary on my niece's life beneficiary on my niece's life beneficiary on my niece's life insurance, and I don't think she is. I insurance, and I don't think she is. I insurance, and I don't think she is. I think think think >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> my niece took her off of it. >> my niece took her off of it. >> my niece took her off of it. I can hear the sirens. I can hear the sirens. I can hear the sirens. >> Okay, perfect. >> Okay, perfect. >> Okay, perfect. >> to move my truck out of the way. >> to move my truck out of the way. >> to move my truck out of the way. So, they can get to the garage. >> Okay, okay. And then are my paramedics >> Okay, okay. And then are my paramedics there with you now? there with you now? there with you now? >> Yeah, they're just pulling in.

>> Yeah, they're just pulling in. >> Yeah, they're just pulling in. >> When Mark leaves paramedics to Casey's >> When Mark leaves paramedics to Casey's >> When Mark leaves paramedics to Casey's room, they actually walk past Megan and room, they actually walk past Megan and room, they actually walk past Megan and her parents, Lee and Renee Randall, who her parents, Lee and Renee Randall, who her parents, Lee and Renee Randall, who are leaving the house. are leaving the house. are leaving the house. >> Like leaving to get out of the way or >> Like leaving to get out of the way or >> Like leaving to get out of the way or like leaving leaving? like leaving leaving? like leaving leaving? >> Dad left and went home right away. Megan >> Dad left and went home right away. Megan >> Dad left and went home right away. Megan and her mom got in the Megan's truck and and her mom got in the Megan's truck and and her mom got in the Megan's truck and then just like parked around the corner then just like parked around the corner then just like parked around the corner to watch what was happening cuz Megan to watch what was happening cuz Megan to watch what was happening cuz Megan said that she didn't want to leave her, said that she didn't want to leave her, said that she didn't want to leave her, but then after like 20 minutes, they do but then after like 20 minutes, they do but then after like 20 minutes, they do leave leave and they go home, too. But leave leave and they go home, too. But leave leave and they go home, too. But in those 20 minutes, paramedics were in those 20 minutes, paramedics were in those 20 minutes, paramedics were working to stabilize Casey enough to get working to stabilize Casey enough to get working to stabilize Casey enough to get her to the hospital. And when they get her to the hospital. And when they get her to the hospital. And when they get there and run some tests, they see that there and run some tests, they see that there and run some tests, they see that Casey's blood glucose level is 14 mg per Casey's blood glucose level is 14 mg per Casey's blood glucose level is 14 mg per deciliter. Which I don't know how much deciliter. Which I don't know how much deciliter. Which I don't know how much you know about normal glucose levels. you know about normal glucose levels. you know about normal glucose levels. >> like a Grey's Anatomy level of >> like a Grey's Anatomy level of >> like a Grey's Anatomy level of knowledge, but that sounds really low. knowledge, but that sounds really low. knowledge, but that sounds really low. >> It's extremely low. Like far below the >> It's extremely low. Like far below the >> It's extremely low. Like far below the threshold for even severe hypoglycemia. threshold for even severe hypoglycemia. threshold for even severe hypoglycemia. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> The brain relies on glucose to function. >> The brain relies on glucose to function. >> The brain relies on glucose to function. And the normal range for a healthy And the normal range for a healthy And the normal range for a healthy person is between 80 and 100. Dropping person is between 80 and 100. Dropping person is between 80 and 100. Dropping [music] [music] [music] below just 50 can cause someone to go below just 50 can cause someone to go below just 50 can cause someone to go unconscious. 14 is a medical emergency unconscious. 14 is a medical emergency unconscious. 14 is a medical emergency and means brain activity is severely and means brain activity is severely and means brain activity is severely [music] [music] [music] impaired.

impaired. impaired. >> Well, and I assume that doesn't happen >> Well, and I assume that doesn't happen >> Well, and I assume that doesn't happen naturally. naturally. naturally. >> No, usually when you see levels this >> No, usually when you see levels this >> No, usually when you see levels this low, there are just a handful of causes. low, there are just a handful of causes. low, there are just a handful of causes. Like Like Like >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> excessive drinking, starvation, liver >> excessive drinking, starvation, liver >> excessive drinking, starvation, liver disease. But even with those, it's disease. But even with those, it's disease. But even with those, it's difficult to drop all the way down to difficult to drop all the way down to difficult to drop all the way down to 14. 14. 14. Based on Casey's other tests, they think Based on Casey's other tests, they think Based on Casey's other tests, they think one of the only ways that she could have one of the only ways that she could have one of the only ways that she could have gotten [music] like this low would have gotten [music] like this low would have gotten [music] like this low would have been through being given insulin. been through being given insulin. been through being given insulin. >> And was Casey diabetic? >> And was Casey diabetic? >> And was Casey diabetic? >> No. [music] >> No. [music] >> No. [music] Now, people in her family were. Her Now, people in her family were. Her Now, people in her family were. Her uncle Mark and her grandmother have type uncle Mark and her grandmother have type uncle Mark and her grandmother have type 1 diabetes. In fact, her uncle Kyle, who 1 diabetes. In fact, her uncle Kyle, who 1 diabetes. In fact, her uncle Kyle, who had been living in the house with all of had been living in the house with all of had been living in the house with all of them, too, had died 7 months earlier due them, too, had died 7 months earlier due them, too, had died 7 months earlier due to diabetic complications. So, there was to diabetic complications. So, there was to diabetic complications. So, there was plenty of prescribed insulin in that plenty of prescribed insulin in that plenty of prescribed insulin in that house. house. house. But again, none of it was supposed to be But again, none of it was supposed to be But again, none of it was supposed to be for [music] Casey. Though doctors do for [music] Casey. Though doctors do for [music] Casey. Though doctors do come to learn that she did have a number come to learn that she did have a number come to learn that she did have a number of other health complications. Casey was of other health complications. Casey was of other health complications. Casey was born with only one kidney [music] and born with only one kidney [music] and born with only one kidney [music] and had chronic kidney disease as well as had chronic kidney disease as well as had chronic kidney disease as well as endometriosis, fibromyalgia, severe endometriosis, fibromyalgia, severe endometriosis, fibromyalgia, severe anxiety, depression, anxiety, depression, anxiety, depression, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> interstitial cystitis, chronic nausea, >> interstitial cystitis, chronic nausea, >> interstitial cystitis, chronic nausea, severe osteoarthritis, a bleeding severe osteoarthritis, a bleeding severe osteoarthritis, a bleeding disorder, and her family tells them disorder, and her family tells them disorder, and her family tells them >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> terminal cancer. Woah. But the thing is, >> terminal cancer. Woah. But the thing is, >> terminal cancer. Woah. But the thing is, none of that explains [music] her none of that explains [music] her none of that explains [music] her glucose levels.

glucose levels. glucose levels. Doctors try to balance her out by giving Doctors try to balance her out by giving Doctors try to balance her out by giving her increasing doses of dextrose, her increasing doses of dextrose, her increasing doses of dextrose, basically [music] liquid sugar. And they basically [music] liquid sugar. And they basically [music] liquid sugar. And they check her blood sugar every 15 to 30 check her blood sugar every 15 to 30 check her blood sugar every 15 to 30 minutes for 2 days to see how she's minutes for 2 days to see how she's minutes for 2 days to see how she's responding. But they can never get her responding. But they can never get her responding. But they can never get her levels to stabilize, which means Casey levels to stabilize, which means Casey levels to stabilize, which means Casey never regains consciousness. never regains consciousness. never regains consciousness. So, on the third day, August 15, the So, on the third day, August 15, the So, on the third day, August 15, the hospital team determines [music] hospital team determines [music] hospital team determines [music] that Casey is not going to wake up. And that Casey is not going to wake up. And that Casey is not going to wake up. And after a decision by family and doctors after a decision by family and doctors after a decision by family and doctors to remove her from life support, [music] to remove her from life support, [music] to remove her from life support, [music] she passes away. she passes away. she passes away. >> And I take that to mean that Megan is >> And I take that to mean that Megan is >> And I take that to mean that Megan is not, in fact, her medical proxy. [music] not, in fact, her medical proxy. [music] not, in fact, her medical proxy. [music] >> Not even a little bit. >> Not even a little bit. >> Not even a little bit. So, as you can imagine, they're pretty So, as you can imagine, they're pretty So, as you can imagine, they're pretty keen to talk to this woman. >> I am popping on to start a conversation >> I am popping on to start a conversation about a case I cannot get it out of my about a case I cannot get it out of my about a case I cannot get it out of my head. head. head. >> A true mind-bender. >> A true mind-bender. >> A true mind-bender. >> A huge [music] twist your way you >> A huge [music] twist your way you >> A huge [music] twist your way you gut-check all your assumptions. Cuz this gut-check all your assumptions. Cuz this gut-check all your assumptions. Cuz this is a case that starts like so many is a case that starts like so many is a case that starts like so many before.

before. before. >> Hi, Crime Junkies. >> Hi, Crime Junkies. >> Hi, Crime Junkies. >> [cheering and screaming] >> By the time Megan sits down with police >> By the time Megan sits down with police on August 16, they've already spoken to on August 16, they've already spoken to on August 16, they've already spoken to some of Casey's family who relay their some of Casey's family who relay their some of Casey's family who relay their versions of August 12. versions of August 12. versions of August 12. But none of them know what happened But none of them know what happened But none of them know what happened before Mark walked down the stairs. Only before Mark walked down the stairs. Only before Mark walked down the stairs. Only 47-year-old Megan [music] Sand Wall, who 47-year-old Megan [music] Sand Wall, who 47-year-old Megan [music] Sand Wall, who was a registered nurse, by the way, was a registered nurse, by the way, was a registered nurse, by the way, knows that. knows that. knows that. But the circumstances are incredibly But the circumstances are incredibly But the circumstances are incredibly bizarre to Casey's family. bizarre to Casey's family. bizarre to Casey's family. And Megan might have had a big fat And Megan might have had a big fat And Megan might have had a big fat motive [music] motive [music] motive [music] because at one time, at least, Casey had because at one time, at least, Casey had because at one time, at least, Casey had a 1.5 [music] a 1.5 [music] a 1.5 [music] million-dollar life insurance policy million-dollar life insurance policy million-dollar life insurance policy that would have paid out to Megan. that would have paid out to Megan. that would have paid out to Megan. But by the time Megan sits down with But by the time Megan sits down with But by the time Megan sits down with police, it doesn't seem like she's police, it doesn't seem like she's police, it doesn't seem like she's gotten wind of any suspicions toward gotten wind of any suspicions toward gotten wind of any suspicions toward her, or at least she's playing it really her, or at least she's playing it really her, or at least she's playing it really cool. [music] cool. [music] cool. [music] She tells police that on August 12th, She tells police that on August 12th, She tells police that on August 12th, 2024, her and her best friend Casey had 2024, her and her best friend Casey had 2024, her and her best friend Casey had planned to have like a girls' day planned to have like a girls' day planned to have like a girls' day together. Megan got to Casey's together. Megan got to Casey's together. Megan got to Casey's grandparents' place in the morning and grandparents' place in the morning and grandparents' place in the morning and said that Casey seemed okay, but she was said that Casey seemed okay, but she was said that Casey seemed okay, but she was slurring her words.

slurring her words. slurring her words. Now, she'd known about Casey's cancer Now, she'd known about Casey's cancer Now, she'd known about Casey's cancer and even knew that it had gotten so bad and even knew that it had gotten so bad and even knew that it had gotten so bad recently that she had been put on recently that she had been put on recently that she had been put on hospice care. hospice care. hospice care. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> So, the slurring wasn't super >> So, the slurring wasn't super >> So, the slurring wasn't super concerning. Like, it didn't throw up any concerning. Like, it didn't throw up any concerning. Like, it didn't throw up any big red flags. big red flags. big red flags. So, they settle in, watch a movie. So, they settle in, watch a movie. So, they settle in, watch a movie. Now, Casey fell asleep at some point, Now, Casey fell asleep at some point, Now, Casey fell asleep at some point, but then woke up, took a nausea pill, but then woke up, took a nausea pill, but then woke up, took a nausea pill, and then was going to go to the and then was going to go to the and then was going to go to the bathroom. She said she was just going to bathroom. She said she was just going to bathroom. She said she was just going to be a minute, but it ended up being be a minute, but it ended up being be a minute, but it ended up being [music] way more than a minute that she [music] way more than a minute that she [music] way more than a minute that she was in there, and Megan started to get was in there, and Megan started to get was in there, and Megan started to get concerned that maybe Casey had like concerned that maybe Casey had like concerned that maybe Casey had like passed out in there. So, she started passed out in there. So, she started passed out in there. So, she started pounding on the door trying to get her pounding on the door trying to get her pounding on the door trying to get her to come out. [music] to come out. [music] to come out. [music] When she finally did, Megan said that When she finally did, Megan said that When she finally did, Megan said that Casey looked totally out of it. She was Casey looked totally out of it. She was Casey looked totally out of it. She was like loopy, which made [music] her think like loopy, which made [music] her think like loopy, which made [music] her think that maybe she'd taken something. She that maybe she'd taken something. She that maybe she'd taken something. She didn't know what, or even if she had, didn't know what, or even if she had, didn't know what, or even if she had, she like she like she like >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> couldn't explain to police how or why >> couldn't explain to police how or why >> couldn't explain to police how or why she seemed to be going downhill so fast, she seemed to be going downhill so fast, she seemed to be going downhill so fast, but she just got Casey back to her bed but she just got Casey back to her bed but she just got Casey back to her bed and then sent a text [music] message to and then sent a text [music] message to and then sent a text [music] message to the doctor who was in charge of her the doctor who was in charge of her the doctor who was in charge of her hospice care to let him know what was hospice care to let him know what was hospice care to let him know what was going on. And then she said she sat going on. And then she said she sat going on. And then she said she sat [music] with Casey while she waited to [music] with Casey while she waited to [music] with Casey while she waited to hear back from him. Now, this was just hear back from him. Now, this was just hear back from him. Now, this was just before 2:00 p.m., [music] and Megan then before 2:00 p.m., [music] and Megan then before 2:00 p.m., [music] and Megan then text her mom. The text said, "She's not text her mom. The text said, "She's not text her mom. The text said, "She's not doing too great. I can't even get her to doing too great. I can't even get her to doing too great. I can't even get her to wake up."

wake up." wake up." 2 hours later, she sent another [music] 2 hours later, she sent another [music] 2 hours later, she sent another [music] text saying, "I don't think I'm going to text saying, "I don't think I'm going to text saying, "I don't think I'm going to be leaving here for a bit. I think she's be leaving here for a bit. I think she's be leaving here for a bit. I think she's going to pass." going to pass." going to pass." And then around 5 hours after that one, And then around 5 hours after that one, And then around 5 hours after that one, Megan called her parents to say that Megan called her parents to say that Megan called her parents to say that Casey [music] was not doing well, and Casey [music] was not doing well, and Casey [music] was not doing well, and that this could be it. So, she wanted that this could be it. So, she wanted that this could be it. So, she wanted her mom and dad to come over and give her mom and dad to come over and give her mom and dad to come over and give Casey a blessing of release, which Casey a blessing of release, which Casey a blessing of release, which they'd actually given her before at they'd actually given her before at they'd actually given her before at times when Casey was in periods of times when Casey was in periods of times when Casey was in periods of particularly [music] poor health. particularly [music] poor health. particularly [music] poor health. >> And why would her parents be giving >> And why would her parents be giving >> And why would her parents be giving Casey this blessing of release? I mean Casey this blessing of release? I mean Casey this blessing of release? I mean no offense, I'm probably not calling no offense, I'm probably not calling no offense, I'm probably not calling your parents on my deathbed. your parents on my deathbed. your parents on my deathbed. >> No, this is because they're super close. >> No, this is because they're super close. >> No, this is because they're super close. So, Casey had suffered a lot of loss in So, Casey had suffered a lot of loss in So, Casey had suffered a lot of loss in her life. Like, she lost her mom to an her life. Like, she lost her mom to an her life. Like, she lost her mom to an illness when she was four. She lost her illness when she was four. She lost her illness when she was four. She lost her dad when she was 24, and then she lost dad when she was 24, and then she lost dad when she was 24, and then she lost the aunt who stepped in to take care of the aunt who stepped in to take care of the aunt who stepped in to take care of her. So, the Randalls, like being her her. So, the Randalls, like being her her. So, the Randalls, like being her best friend's parents, like they kind of best friend's parents, like they kind of best friend's parents, like they kind of took Casey in, and she reportedly like took Casey in, and she reportedly like took Casey in, and she reportedly like called them mom and dad. So, it makes called them mom and dad. So, it makes called them mom and dad. So, it makes [music] sense for them to come. [music] sense for them to come. [music] sense for them to come. And they're more than willing to drive And they're more than willing to drive And they're more than willing to drive over to be by Casey's side. [music] over to be by Casey's side. [music] over to be by Casey's side. [music] They got there around 8:30 p.m.

They got there around 8:30 p.m. They got there around 8:30 p.m. According to Megan's dad, when they According to Megan's dad, when they According to Megan's dad, when they walked into Casey's room, she was lying walked into Casey's room, she was lying walked into Casey's room, she was lying on her side unconscious [music] on her side unconscious [music] on her side unconscious [music] and had really labored breathing. and had really labored breathing. and had really labored breathing. >> And neither of them suggested calling >> And neither of them suggested calling >> And neither of them suggested calling 911 when they got there? 911 when they got there? 911 when they got there? >> No, [music] because Megan had told them >> No, [music] because Megan had told them >> No, [music] because Megan had told them about Casey's DNR a long time ago, and about Casey's DNR a long time ago, and about Casey's DNR a long time ago, and she also told them that she had she also told them that she had she also told them that she had contacted Casey's doctor. She's like contacted Casey's doctor. She's like contacted Casey's doctor. She's like just waiting to hear back. just waiting to hear back. just waiting to hear back. >> it's been hours. [music] >> it's been hours. [music] >> it's been hours. [music] >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Okay, and but fact-check me on this. >> Okay, and but fact-check me on this. >> Okay, and but fact-check me on this. Like, Like, Like, a DNR, it doesn't it just mean that you a DNR, it doesn't it just mean that you a DNR, it doesn't it just mean that you like can't perform CPR? Like, it doesn't like can't perform CPR? Like, it doesn't like can't perform CPR? Like, it doesn't mean zero care mean zero care mean zero care at all, right? at all, right? at all, right? >> No, you're 100% right. A DNR just means >> No, you're 100% right. A DNR just means >> No, you're 100% right. A DNR just means like no chest compressions, no electric like no chest compressions, no electric like no chest compressions, no electric shocks, no life support. Someone with a shocks, no life support. Someone with a shocks, no life support. Someone with a DNR can absolutely go to the hospital, DNR can absolutely go to the hospital, DNR can absolutely go to the hospital, that you can get oxygen, medication, that you can get oxygen, medication, that you can get oxygen, medication, comfort care. comfort care. comfort care. >> comforted? >> comforted? >> comforted? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, like Sugar is definitely like in >> No, like Sugar is definitely like in >> No, like Sugar is definitely like in this, right? this, right? this, right? >> Yes, but like >> Yes, but like >> Yes, but like >> So, shouldn't Megan know all of this? >> So, shouldn't Megan know all of this? >> So, shouldn't Megan know all of this? Like, she's an RN. Like, she's an RN. Like, she's an RN. >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, should she have known that you can call should she have known that you can call should she have known that you can call for help? Yes, but I think her saying for help? Yes, but I think her saying for help? Yes, but I think her saying that she like like notified the hospice that she like like notified the hospice that she like like notified the hospice doctor was maybe like her saying that doctor was maybe like her saying that doctor was maybe like her saying that she was like looking or trying to get she was like looking or trying to get she was like looking or trying to get help. And when it comes to administering help. And when it comes to administering help. And when it comes to administering anything, like sugar or whatever, anything, like sugar or whatever, anything, like sugar or whatever, theoretically, she wouldn't have known theoretically, she wouldn't have known theoretically, she wouldn't have known that [music] Casey's blood sugar was the that [music] Casey's blood sugar was the that [music] Casey's blood sugar was the problem, right? Like she's saying she problem, right? Like she's saying she problem, right? Like she's saying she didn't know what caused her to be in didn't know what caused her to be in didn't know what caused her to be in this state. And I don't know [music] how this state. And I don't know [music] how this state. And I don't know [music] how much info she's getting from the family much info she's getting from the family much info she's getting from the family when Casey was in the hospital. Police when Casey was in the hospital. Police when Casey was in the hospital. Police presumably know that her condition had presumably know that her condition had presumably know that her condition had to do with low blood sugar. People might

to do with low blood sugar. People might to do with low blood sugar. People might even be suspecting insulin at this even be suspecting insulin at this even be suspecting insulin at this point, but they don't have proof. So, I point, but they don't have proof. So, I point, but they don't have proof. So, I doubt that police are like telling her doubt that police are like telling her doubt that police are like telling her much either. [music] much either. [music] much either. [music] Either way, after getting her parents Either way, after getting her parents Either way, after getting her parents there, Megan chose to take a seat back there, Megan chose to take a seat back there, Megan chose to take a seat back in the recliner and invited them to sit in the recliner and invited them to sit in the recliner and invited them to sit with her while they waited. with her while they waited. with her while they waited. >> Waited for her to just >> Waited for her to just >> Waited for her to just die? die? die? >> For her to pass, for maybe the doctor to >> For her to pass, for maybe the doctor to >> For her to pass, for maybe the doctor to reach back out to any of it. I don't reach back out to any of it. I don't reach back out to any of it. I don't know, but like not long after this is know, but like not long after this is know, but like not long after this is when Uncle Mark comes down the stairs to when Uncle Mark comes down the stairs to when Uncle Mark comes down the stairs to check on Casey, and like you know the check on Casey, and like you know the check on Casey, and like you know the rest. rest. rest. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Except the part about them leaving. So, >> Except the part about them leaving. So, >> Except the part about them leaving. So, she does tell police that she didn't she does tell police that she didn't she does tell police that she didn't want [music] to leave. She wanted to want [music] to leave. She wanted to want [music] to leave. She wanted to stay with Casey. But when Mark went stay with Casey. But when Mark went stay with Casey. But when Mark went upstairs to call 911, Megan called upstairs to call 911, Megan called upstairs to call 911, Megan called Casey's sister Kylie to ask if she knew Casey's sister Kylie to ask if she knew Casey's sister Kylie to ask if she knew about the DNR. But as we know, Kylie was about the DNR. But as we know, Kylie was about the DNR. But as we know, Kylie was not having it. She told Megan that she not having it. She told Megan that she not having it. She told Megan that she was not welcome in the house, and that was not welcome in the house, and that was not welcome in the house, and that she needed to leave. And if she stayed, she needed to leave. And if she stayed, she needed to leave. And if she stayed, Kylie was going to call the police. So, Kylie was going to call the police. So, Kylie was going to call the police. So, she says that's why they left in kind of she says that's why they left in kind of she says that's why they left in kind of such a hurry that night. Now, Megan such a hurry that night. Now, Megan such a hurry that night. Now, Megan tells police she has no clue what tells police she has no clue what tells police she has no clue what happened when Casey was [music] in the happened when Casey was [music] in the happened when Casey was [music] in the bathroom. But she is clear with them.

bathroom. But she is clear with them. bathroom. But she is clear with them. Quote, "I didn't [music] help her. I Quote, "I didn't [music] help her. I Quote, "I didn't [music] help her. I didn't do anything." didn't do anything." didn't do anything." But there's But there's But there's >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> something that doesn't make total sense. >> something that doesn't make total sense. >> something that doesn't make total sense. When they ask Megan point-blank if Casey When they ask Megan point-blank if Casey When they ask Megan point-blank if Casey had any life insurance or a will, had any life insurance or a will, had any life insurance or a will, Megan says [music] no. Megan says [music] no. Megan says [music] no. Which is like not what they were Which is like not what they were Which is like not what they were hearing, right? Yeah. Or at least not hearing, right? Yeah. Or at least not hearing, right? Yeah. Or at least not what Mark said on the what Mark said on the what Mark said on the >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> So, investigators like, "Okay, like just >> So, investigators like, "Okay, like just >> So, investigators like, "Okay, like just to confirm all this stuff, Like, would to confirm all this stuff, Like, would to confirm all this stuff, Like, would you mind handing us your phone? Like, you mind handing us your phone? Like, you mind handing us your phone? Like, [music] a lot of this should be easy to [music] a lot of this should be easy to [music] a lot of this should be easy to prove, right? Communications with her prove, right? Communications with her prove, right? Communications with her parents, messages to the doctor, who parents, messages to the doctor, who parents, messages to the doctor, who By the way, like [music] kind of weird By the way, like [music] kind of weird By the way, like [music] kind of weird that he apparently never called back that he apparently never called back that he apparently never called back about his hospice patient. Yeah, so he about his hospice patient. Yeah, so he about his hospice patient. Yeah, so he they're like, you know what? It would they're like, you know what? It would they're like, you know what? It would really help if we can get your phone as really help if we can get your phone as really help if we can get your phone as we're like sorting everything out. And we're like sorting everything out. And we're like sorting everything out. And she agrees. She says she has nothing to she agrees. She says she has nothing to she agrees. She says she has nothing to hide. hide. hide. She just She just She just doesn't want to give her phone right doesn't want to give her phone right doesn't want to give her phone right then. then. then. Soon, though, [music] she will. Soon, though, [music] she will. Soon, though, [music] she will. Now, they don't push. They can't take it Now, they don't push. They can't take it Now, they don't push. They can't take it without her permission yet, because without her permission yet, because without her permission yet, because there's not enough probable cause to.

there's not enough probable cause to. there's not enough probable cause to. And at that point, I don't know how much And at that point, I don't know how much And at that point, I don't know how much hope they had for getting enough hope they had for getting enough hope they had for getting enough probable cause, because at that point probable cause, because at that point probable cause, because at that point the only thing they had collected in the the only thing they had collected in the the only thing they had collected in the way of evidence were a bunch of empty way of evidence were a bunch of empty way of evidence were a bunch of empty prescription bottles from Casey's room prescription bottles from Casey's room prescription bottles from Casey's room and a syringe from the floor by the and a syringe from the floor by the and a syringe from the floor by the recliner where Megan had been seated. recliner where Megan had been seated. recliner where Megan had been seated. [music] [music] [music] And a glucometer. Which And a glucometer. Which And a glucometer. Which >> Wouldn't that prove like someone was >> Wouldn't that prove like someone was >> Wouldn't that prove like someone was checking her glucose, her sugar levels? checking her glucose, her sugar levels? checking her glucose, her sugar levels? >> It makes it look like someone at least >> It makes it look like someone at least >> It makes it look like someone at least could [music] have been. could [music] have been. could [music] have been. But, again, where we're at in the story, But, again, where we're at in the story, But, again, where we're at in the story, they won't know that until they check they won't know that until they check they won't know that until they check the data [music] from it. And I don't the data [music] from it. And I don't the data [music] from it. And I don't even know if they that had happened or even know if they that had happened or even know if they that had happened or not. not. not. >> So, was there You said empty like >> So, was there You said empty like >> So, was there You said empty like prescription bottles, but was there no prescription bottles, but was there no prescription bottles, but was there no [music] [music] [music] insulin that they found or any anything insulin that they found or any anything insulin that they found or any anything else like that there? else like that there? else like that there? >> Not not right away, which is why I bet >> Not not right away, which is why I bet >> Not not right away, which is why I bet detectives were detectives were detectives were thanking thanking thanking >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> their lucky stars that just days after >> their lucky stars that just days after >> their lucky stars that just days after they had this conversation with Megan, they had this conversation with Megan, they had this conversation with Megan, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Mark, Uncle Mark, found some insulin for >> Mark, Uncle Mark, found some insulin for >> Mark, Uncle Mark, found some insulin for them. On the 18th, [music] while them. On the 18th, [music] while them. On the 18th, [music] while cleaning up the back patio, which is cleaning up the back patio, which is cleaning up the back patio, which is like just outside the entry to the like just outside the entry to the like just outside the entry to the basement, Mark saw this box of orange basement, Mark saw this box of orange basement, Mark saw this box of orange Fanta in the garbage can, which, by the Fanta in the garbage can, which, by the Fanta in the garbage can, which, by the way, Casey's favorite [music] drink.

way, Casey's favorite [music] drink. way, Casey's favorite [music] drink. But, when he takes it out of the trash, But, when he takes it out of the trash, But, when he takes it out of the trash, he wants to like step on it so he can he wants to like step on it so he can he wants to like step on it so he can like flatten it out, he realizes there's like flatten it out, he realizes there's like flatten it out, he realizes there's something inside this box. something inside this box. something inside this box. There is this black rag, which is There is this black rag, which is There is this black rag, which is wrapped around a syringe, a syringe cap, wrapped around a syringe, a syringe cap, wrapped around a syringe, a syringe cap, [music] [music] [music] and a partially used vial of insulin and a partially used vial of insulin and a partially used vial of insulin with 13 [music] with 13 [music] with 13 [music] needle punctures. And this is extremely needle punctures. And this is extremely needle punctures. And this is extremely significant because Mark says, "This is significant because Mark says, "This is significant because Mark says, "This is not how anyone in that house would not how anyone in that house would not how anyone in that house would dispose of [music] insulin." dispose of [music] insulin." dispose of [music] insulin." So, he calls the lead investigator on So, he calls the lead investigator on So, he calls the lead investigator on this case who comes down the next day this case who comes down the next day this case who comes down the next day [music] to collect everything. And while [music] to collect everything. And while [music] to collect everything. And while they're already down there and still they're already down there and still they're already down there and still trying to find out what might have trying to find out what might have trying to find out what might have gotten introduced into Casey's system to gotten introduced into Casey's system to gotten introduced into Casey's system to cause her death, they think, you know, cause her death, they think, you know, cause her death, they think, you know, why [music] not search the basement why [music] not search the basement why [music] not search the basement bathroom? Cuz I mean, presumably, in bathroom? Cuz I mean, presumably, in bathroom? Cuz I mean, presumably, in Megan's story, if something got into Megan's story, if something got into Megan's story, if something got into Casey's system, Casey's system, Casey's system, >> it happened in that bathroom. >> it happened in that bathroom. >> it happened in that bathroom. >> Exactly. But, they didn't find [music] >> Exactly. But, they didn't find [music] >> Exactly. But, they didn't find [music] anything in there. anything in there. anything in there. No pill bottles, no syringes, no No pill bottles, no syringes, no No pill bottles, no syringes, no insulin. insulin. insulin. Now, mind you, [music] this is how many Now, mind you, [music] this is how many Now, mind you, [music] this is how many days later, and to complicate things days later, and to complicate things days later, and to complicate things even more, there had actually been even more, there had actually been even more, there had actually been [music] this big storm the night that [music] this big storm the night that [music] this big storm the night that Casey was taken to the hospital and her Casey was taken to the hospital and her Casey was taken to the hospital and her basement room flooded. So, at least some basement room flooded. So, at least some basement room flooded. So, at least some of the crime scene may have been of the crime scene may have been of the crime scene may have been contaminated. So, still, everything in contaminated. So, still, everything in contaminated. So, still, everything in this Fanta box, this Fanta box, this Fanta box, it's suspicious, [music] but it's not a it's suspicious, [music] but it's not a it's suspicious, [music] but it's not a smoking gun.

smoking gun. smoking gun. >> I mean, it seems like a murder weapon to >> I mean, it seems like a murder weapon to >> I mean, it seems like a murder weapon to me here. me here. me here. >> But, this isn't even a murder right now. >> But, this isn't even a murder right now. >> But, this isn't even a murder right now. Remember, this is This is just a Remember, this is This is just a Remember, this is This is just a suspicious death. suspicious death. suspicious death. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> They know she died. There's been no >> They know she died. There's been no >> They know she died. There's been no autopsy yet. But, you're right, this autopsy yet. But, you're right, this autopsy yet. But, you're right, this doesn't look good because whatever a doesn't look good because whatever a doesn't look good because whatever a future autopsy is going to show, there future autopsy is going to show, there future autopsy is going to show, there are really only three options here. are really only three options here. are really only three options here. Accident, suicide, or murder. Now, Accident, suicide, or murder. Now, Accident, suicide, or murder. Now, finding this insulin like this finding this insulin like this finding this insulin like this feels like accident is probably [music] feels like accident is probably [music] feels like accident is probably [music] going to be off the table. going to be off the table. going to be off the table. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But, to call it a suicide or a murder, >> But, to call it a suicide or a murder, >> But, to call it a suicide or a murder, they're going to need to figure out who they're going to need to figure out who they're going to need to figure out who had that insulin [music] had that insulin [music] had that insulin [music] and who administered it. and who administered it. and who administered it. And there seemed only be two options. And there seemed only be two options. And there seemed only be two options. Megan Megan Megan or Casey. or Casey. or Casey. So, who are these two women? What were So, who are these two women? What were So, who are these two women? What were their dynamics? their dynamics? their dynamics? The best way to figure this out is to The best way to figure this out is to The best way to figure this out is to get into their phones. get into their phones. get into their phones. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> They obviously have Casey's already, and >> They obviously have Casey's already, and >> They obviously have Casey's already, and Megan does turn hers over on August Megan does turn hers over on August Megan does turn hers over on August 19th, [music] as promised. 19th, [music] as promised. 19th, [music] as promised. But weirdly, the communications between But weirdly, the communications between But weirdly, the communications between the two don't seem to match [music] up the two don't seem to match [music] up the two don't seem to match [music] up from phone to phone.

from phone to phone. from phone to phone. Cuz it seems like in those 3 days after Cuz it seems like in those 3 days after Cuz it seems like in those 3 days after agreeing to give them her [music] phone, agreeing to give them her [music] phone, agreeing to give them her [music] phone, Megan had deleted over 900 Megan had deleted over 900 Megan had deleted over 900 messages between [music] them. messages between [music] them. messages between [music] them. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> 283 >> 283 >> 283 of which were sent between July 20th and of which were sent between July 20th and of which were sent between July 20th and [music] August 12th. [music] August 12th. [music] August 12th. And all of these messages, And all of these messages, And all of these messages, which again, are still on Casey's phone, which again, are still on Casey's phone, which again, are still on Casey's phone, by the way. by the way. by the way. >> could only delete them from her own >> could only delete them from her own >> could only delete them from her own phone. phone. phone. >> In them, they specifically discussed >> In them, they specifically discussed >> In them, they specifically discussed life insurance, [music] life insurance, [music] life insurance, [music] financial problems, suicide, financial problems, suicide, financial problems, suicide, and insulin. A lot of talk about and insulin. A lot of talk about and insulin. A lot of talk about insulin. [music] And you have to hear insulin. [music] And you have to hear insulin. [music] And you have to hear some of these messages to believe them. some of these messages to believe them. some of these messages to believe them. Because they make it extremely clear Because they make it extremely clear Because they make it extremely clear that Megan was not telling police the that Megan was not telling police the that Megan was not telling police the whole story in her first interview. So, Casey and Megan met around 2013 as So, Casey and Megan met around 2013 as co-workers at this inpatient facility co-workers at this inpatient facility co-workers at this inpatient facility for disabled adults.

for disabled adults. for disabled adults. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Casey was a house manager, and Megan was >> Casey was a house manager, and Megan was >> Casey was a house manager, and Megan was a nurse. And they quickly became very a nurse. And they quickly became very a nurse. And they quickly became very close, and Casey began to spend a lot of close, and Casey began to spend a lot of close, and Casey began to spend a lot of time not only with just Megan, but with time not only with just Megan, but with time not only with just Megan, but with Megan's parents as well. That's how she Megan's parents as well. That's how she Megan's parents as well. That's how she kind of became part of the family. kind of became part of the family. kind of became part of the family. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And when I say that these two were >> And when I say that these two were >> And when I say that these two were close, police had to go through 28,000 close, police had to go through 28,000 close, police had to go through 28,000 text messages that the two women text messages that the two women text messages that the two women exchanged between 2019 exchanged between 2019 exchanged between 2019 >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and 2024. And take into consideration >> and 2024. And take into consideration >> and 2024. And take into consideration that for a chunk of that time, Casey that for a chunk of that time, Casey that for a chunk of that time, Casey actually lived [music] with Megan up actually lived [music] with Megan up actually lived [music] with Megan up until Megan got married. And then even until Megan got married. And then even until Megan got married. And then even after a short stint of her living after a short stint of her living after a short stint of her living elsewhere with a roommate, Casey ended elsewhere with a roommate, Casey ended elsewhere with a roommate, Casey ended up moving back in with Megan and then up moving back in with Megan and then up moving back in with Megan and then her now husband, Mitch, [music] her now husband, Mitch, [music] her now husband, Mitch, [music] and she lived with them up until 2020 and she lived with them up until 2020 and she lived with them up until 2020 when she moved into the basement of her when she moved into the basement of her when she moved into the basement of her grandparents' house. grandparents' house. grandparents' house. Now, one reason that the two might have Now, one reason that the two might have Now, one reason that the two might have been so close was that they had been been so close was that they had been been so close was that they had been through and shared [music] through and shared [music] through and shared [music] a lot. It was in the early stages of a lot. It was in the early stages of a lot. It was in the early stages of their friendship that Casey shared with their friendship that Casey shared with their friendship that Casey shared with Megan that she had cancer. Megan that she had cancer. Megan that she had cancer. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And back in 2014, she was communicating >> And back in 2014, she was communicating >> And back in 2014, she was communicating that she didn't have much time left. that she didn't have much time left. that she didn't have much time left. That year, Casey, Megan, Megan's mom, That year, Casey, Megan, Megan's mom, That year, Casey, Megan, Megan's mom, they went to Disney World together for they went to Disney World together for they went to Disney World together for what Casey said was going to be her last what Casey said was going to be her last what Casey said was going to be her last like big trip. I mean, she obviously like big trip. I mean, she obviously like big trip. I mean, she obviously ended up having more time, but things ended up having more time, but things ended up having more time, but things never really got better. And it was a never really got better. And it was a never really got better. And it was a long, drawn-out battle filled with ups, long, drawn-out battle filled with ups, long, drawn-out battle filled with ups, but mostly downs. We're talking chemo, but mostly downs. We're talking chemo, but mostly downs. We're talking chemo, hospital visits, hospice [music] care.

hospital visits, hospice [music] care. hospital visits, hospice [music] care. Casey did have her family to help, but Casey did have her family to help, but Casey did have her family to help, but when they couldn't, Megan was there. when they couldn't, Megan was there. when they couldn't, Megan was there. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> She was always there, not just in >> She was always there, not just in >> She was always there, not just in person, but like always just a text person, but like always just a text person, but like always just a text away. And Casey processed [music] every away. And Casey processed [music] every away. And Casey processed [music] every emotion with her, even the scary ones. emotion with her, even the scary ones. emotion with her, even the scary ones. In one message from 2019, Casey wrote, In one message from 2019, Casey wrote, In one message from 2019, Casey wrote, "Reassure me I'm not dying." "Reassure me I'm not dying." "Reassure me I'm not dying." >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And Megan responded, "Unfortunately, I >> And Megan responded, "Unfortunately, I >> And Megan responded, "Unfortunately, I don't know if you're dying or not. I'm don't know if you're dying or not. I'm don't know if you're dying or not. I'm sorry. You need to be prepared no matter sorry. You need to be prepared no matter sorry. You need to be prepared no matter what happens." what happens." what happens." >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> That's blunt. >> That's blunt. >> That's blunt. >> Yeah, well, if that's blunt, then you >> Yeah, well, if that's blunt, then you >> Yeah, well, if that's blunt, then you can classify other messages she sent as, can classify other messages she sent as, can classify other messages she sent as, I [music] think, brutal. Because by I [music] think, brutal. Because by I [music] think, brutal. Because by 2020, Megan was texting Casey on 2020, Megan was texting Casey on 2020, Megan was texting Casey on multiple occasions telling her, "There multiple occasions telling her, "There multiple occasions telling her, "There is nothing [music] left here for you. is nothing [music] left here for you. is nothing [music] left here for you. You have so, so much more on the other You have so, so much more on the other You have so, so much more on the other side." side." side." >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And slowly, the conversation turned into >> And slowly, the conversation turned into >> And slowly, the conversation turned into discussing different ways of ending discussing different ways of ending discussing different ways of ending Casey's life. Casey's life. Casey's life. A gun, pills, [music] until they A gun, pills, [music] until they A gun, pills, [music] until they ultimately settled on insulin. ultimately settled on insulin. ultimately settled on insulin. Megan said that it would be easy.

Megan said that it would be easy. Megan said that it would be easy. [music] [music] [music] Casey would just fall asleep. Casey would just fall asleep. Casey would just fall asleep. >> And they were living together at this >> And they were living together at this >> And they were living together at this time, right? time, right? time, right? >> Yes, and within a day or two of that >> Yes, and within a day or two of that >> Yes, and within a day or two of that discussion, Megan brought home a vial of discussion, Megan brought home a vial of discussion, Megan brought home a vial of insulin and [music] stored it in the insulin and [music] stored it in the insulin and [music] stored it in the fridge that they shared. She told Casey fridge that they shared. She told Casey fridge that they shared. She told Casey that she had checked with a pharmacist that she had checked with a pharmacist that she had checked with a pharmacist friend [music] and she would need at friend [music] and she would need at friend [music] and she would need at least 100 units of insulin to end her least 100 units of insulin to end her least 100 units of insulin to end her life. But in August of 2020, it seems life. But in August of 2020, it seems life. But in August of 2020, it seems like Casey started to express doubts like Casey started to express doubts like Casey started to express doubts about the plan. about the plan. about the plan. And Megan texted her, And Megan texted her, And Megan texted her, "I am convinced you are not going to "I am convinced you are not going to "I am convinced you are not going to pass until you actually want to, pass until you actually want to, pass until you actually want to, completely. You've asked for blessings, completely. You've asked for blessings, completely. You've asked for blessings, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> taken steps, and say you want to, but I >> taken steps, and say you want to, but I >> taken steps, and say you want to, but I know you don't. You have to let go. It know you don't. You have to let go. It know you don't. You have to let go. It is past time." [music] is past time." [music] is past time." [music] >> Her texts are getting like pretty >> Her texts are getting like pretty >> Her texts are getting like pretty aggressive here. aggressive here. aggressive here. >> Like increasingly so. And in September >> Like increasingly so. And in September >> Like increasingly so. And in September 2020, Casey texted Megan that she, you 2020, Casey texted Megan that she, you 2020, Casey texted Megan that she, you know, she's like like feeling the know, she's like like feeling the know, she's like like feeling the pressure, right? She's like, "I don't pressure, right? She's like, "I don't pressure, right? She's like, "I don't you know, I don't know why I'm having you know, I don't know why I'm having you know, I don't know why I'm having doubts about our plan." doubts about our plan." doubts about our plan." And Megan responded, And Megan responded, And Megan responded, "I don't know why either. I drew them up "I don't know why either. I drew them up "I don't know why either. I drew them up for you and tried to get you to take for you and tried to get you to take for you and tried to get you to take them. You were really [music] out of it, them. You were really [music] out of it, them. You were really [music] out of it, which I thought was the point."

which I thought was the point." which I thought was the point." >> Is she talking about drawing up insulin >> Is she talking about drawing up insulin >> Is she talking about drawing up insulin with a syringe? with a syringe? with a syringe? >> Well, she doesn't specifically say that >> Well, she doesn't specifically say that >> Well, she doesn't specifically say that in the text, but from the context, like in the text, but from the context, like in the text, but from the context, like that's what it seems like. that's what it seems like. that's what it seems like. And there were a number of messages like And there were a number of messages like And there were a number of messages like [music] these. [music] these. [music] these. "Are you doing insulin tonight? "Are you doing insulin tonight? "Are you doing insulin tonight? You didn't use the insulin last night. You didn't use the insulin last night. You didn't use the insulin last night. [music] Are you planning on it? Do you [music] Are you planning on it? Do you [music] Are you planning on it? Do you want me to take that insulin back? The want me to take that insulin back? The want me to take that insulin back? The shots were still in the fridge. I drew shots were still in the fridge. I drew shots were still in the fridge. I drew them up for you and tried to get you to them up for you and tried to get you to them up for you and tried to get you to take them." take them." take them." >> Dude, red flags. >> Dude, red flags. >> Dude, red flags. >> And listen, the motivation behind this >> And listen, the motivation behind this >> And listen, the motivation behind this feels [music] anything but altruistic feels [music] anything but altruistic feels [music] anything but altruistic when they see that in 2020, Casey when they see that in 2020, Casey when they see that in 2020, Casey reminded Megan about the life insurance reminded Megan about the life insurance reminded Megan about the life insurance policy that she had that Megan was the policy that she had that Megan was the policy that she had that Megan was the beneficiary of. But this is where things beneficiary of. But this is where things beneficiary of. But this is where things go off the go off the go off the rails for me. rails for me. rails for me. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> At the time, Megan replied, when they're >> At the time, Megan replied, when they're >> At the time, Megan replied, when they're talking about this life insurance talking about this life insurance talking about this life insurance policy, asking if it would be enough for policy, asking if it would be enough for policy, asking if it would be enough for cosmetic surgery. cosmetic surgery. cosmetic surgery. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> She said, "Can I get a face lift, tummy >> She said, "Can I get a face lift, tummy >> She said, "Can I get a face lift, tummy tuck, eyelid surgery?" tuck, eyelid surgery?" tuck, eyelid surgery?" According to Casey's sister, Kylie, this According to Casey's sister, Kylie, this According to Casey's sister, Kylie, this was about the time that Casey started was about the time that Casey started was about the time that Casey started questioning her friendship with Megan.

questioning her friendship with Megan. questioning her friendship with Megan. >> You think? >> You think? >> You think? >> And Casey is supposedly worried about >> And Casey is supposedly worried about >> And Casey is supposedly worried about making Megan mad, and she felt like she making Megan mad, and she felt like she making Megan mad, and she felt like she couldn't die fast enough for Megan's couldn't die fast enough for Megan's couldn't die fast enough for Megan's liking. Kylie said Casey eventually told liking. Kylie said Casey eventually told liking. Kylie said Casey eventually told her that she thought Megan was trying to her that she thought Megan was trying to her that she thought Megan was trying to kill her, and she showed Kylie the kill her, and she showed Kylie the kill her, and she showed Kylie the bottle of insulin in the fridge where bottle of insulin in the fridge where bottle of insulin in the fridge where they were living. And that is actually they were living. And that is actually they were living. And that is actually when Kylie moved Casey out of the house when Kylie moved Casey out of the house when Kylie moved Casey out of the house and into her grandparents' basement. and into her grandparents' basement. and into her grandparents' basement. That's why the move happened to begin That's why the move happened to begin That's why the move happened to begin with. with. with. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> But even then, >> But even then, >> But even then, like Casey and Megan stayed friends, and like Casey and Megan stayed friends, and like Casey and Megan stayed friends, and they continued to text. they continued to text. they continued to text. 2021 was a new year, but the same old 2021 was a new year, but the same old 2021 was a new year, but the same old convos. convos. convos. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Megan asked Casey, "Want to know what I >> Megan asked Casey, "Want to know what I >> Megan asked Casey, "Want to know what I would do?" And then she suggested would do?" And then she suggested would do?" And then she suggested drawing up everything she had and drawing up everything she had and drawing up everything she had and injecting it all at once before asking, injecting it all at once before asking, injecting it all at once before asking, [music] [music] [music] "Do you want me to come over and do it?" "Do you want me to come over and do it?" "Do you want me to come over and do it?" And after this, And after this, And after this, Casey began to text Megan that she had Casey began to text Megan that she had Casey began to text Megan that she had been trying to use insulin [music] been trying to use insulin [music] been trying to use insulin [music] to end her life, but that it just hadn't to end her life, but that it just hadn't to end her life, but that it just hadn't been working. been working. been working. She messaged Megan that she had injected She messaged Megan that she had injected She messaged Megan that she had injected four [music] and a half bottles of four [music] and a half bottles of four [music] and a half bottles of insulin.

insulin. insulin. >> Over four bottles. >> Over four bottles. >> Over four bottles. >> Yeah, and if we're talking like standard >> Yeah, and if we're talking like standard >> Yeah, and if we're talking like standard vials, this is literally 4,000 units of vials, this is literally 4,000 units of vials, this is literally 4,000 units of insulin, which is enough to kill anyone, insulin, which is enough to kill anyone, insulin, which is enough to kill anyone, diabetic or not, diabetic or not, diabetic or not, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> many times over. >> many times over. >> many times over. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> But she's telling Megan that it didn't >> But she's telling Megan that it didn't >> But she's telling Megan that it didn't work. And neither did nine bottles, she work. And neither did nine bottles, she work. And neither did nine bottles, she texts her later. texts her later. texts her later. >> And Megan is a nurse though. Like, >> And Megan is a nurse though. Like, >> And Megan is a nurse though. Like, wouldn't she have known that Casey wouldn't she have known that Casey wouldn't she have known that Casey couldn't have been telling the truth couldn't have been telling the truth couldn't have been telling the truth here? here? here? >> I mean, I'm sure, which to me should >> I mean, I'm sure, which to me should >> I mean, I'm sure, which to me should give someone every indication that this give someone every indication that this give someone every indication that this person doesn't want to die. person doesn't want to die. person doesn't want to die. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Also, her family is like taking her to >> Also, her family is like taking her to >> Also, her family is like taking her to her cancer treatments all the time. her cancer treatments all the time. her cancer treatments all the time. They're going to hospital emergency room They're going to hospital emergency room They're going to hospital emergency room visits at like all hours of the night. visits at like all hours of the night. visits at like all hours of the night. Like, Like, Like, to me, that's like in such contradiction to me, that's like in such contradiction to me, that's like in such contradiction to all of this. to all of this. to all of this. But I don't think Megan would get off But I don't think Megan would get off But I don't think Megan would get off her back about it. Like she kept sending her back about it. Like she kept sending her back about it. Like she kept sending these text messages and Casey continued these text messages and Casey continued these text messages and Casey continued to like go along with this plan, but to like go along with this plan, but to like go along with this plan, but like in a non-committal way. like in a non-committal way. like in a non-committal way. Casey seemingly wanted to keep [music] Casey seemingly wanted to keep [music] Casey seemingly wanted to keep [music] communication and a relationship with communication and a relationship with communication and a relationship with Megan, no matter what that was costing Megan, no matter what that was costing Megan, no matter what that was costing her. [music] her. [music] her. [music] And it kept up like this until 2022, And it kept up like this until 2022, And it kept up like this until 2022, when Megan then changed the plan.

when Megan then changed the plan. when Megan then changed the plan. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> She text Casey, "Someone >> She text Casey, "Someone >> She text Casey, "Someone should probably be me should stay with should probably be me should stay with should probably be me should stay with you and continue to give you doses so it you and continue to give you doses so it you and continue to give you doses so it will actually stay low and you can will actually stay low and you can will actually stay low and you can pass." pass." pass." But Casey continued to stall. But Casey continued to stall. But Casey continued to stall. In October 2023, messages show that In October 2023, messages show that In October 2023, messages show that Megan was asking [music] about the life Megan was asking [music] about the life Megan was asking [music] about the life insurance policy again. insurance policy again. insurance policy again. She texted Casey this long message. She texted Casey this long message. She texted Casey this long message. [music] It says, It says, "Can I ask you a question I really "Can I ask you a question I really "Can I ask you a question I really shouldn't? shouldn't? shouldn't? >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Is the money thing for real? >> Is the money thing for real? >> Is the money thing for real? I don't think Mitch and I are going to I don't think Mitch and I are going to I don't think Mitch and I are going to be staying together and I need to know be staying together and I need to know be staying together and I need to know what I'm looking at as far as being able what I'm looking at as far as being able what I'm looking at as far as being able to take care of my son by myself and how to take care of my son by myself and how to take care of my son by myself and how much I'm going to have to work, whether much I'm going to have to work, whether much I'm going to have to work, whether it be two or three jobs. it be two or three jobs. it be two or three jobs. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I'm so sorry to ask, I really am. I feel >> I'm so sorry to ask, I really am. I feel >> I'm so sorry to ask, I really am. I feel really uncomfortable asking actually." really uncomfortable asking actually." really uncomfortable asking actually." [music] [music] [music] And Casey replied, "Yes, I promise it's And Casey replied, "Yes, I promise it's And Casey replied, "Yes, I promise it's real. I have made sure to keep real. I have made sure to keep real. I have made sure to keep everything current. I started my everything current. I started my everything current. I started my policies after my dad died because I policies after my dad died because I policies after my dad died because I knew I would need it with my health knew I would need it with my health knew I would need it with my health problems.

problems. problems. I wouldn't lie to you about that. I I wouldn't lie to you about that. I I wouldn't lie to you about that. I wanted to surprise you with it. This was wanted to surprise you with it. This was wanted to surprise you with it. This was probably a relief to Megan [music] probably a relief to Megan [music] probably a relief to Megan [music] because in 2023, she and her husband because in 2023, she and her husband because in 2023, she and her husband started to have financial problems. started to have financial problems. started to have financial problems. [music] [music] [music] In a text to her husband, she said that In a text to her husband, she said that In a text to her husband, she said that she was counting on the thing with Casey she was counting on the thing with Casey she was counting on the thing with Casey being true to bail us out." being true to bail us out." being true to bail us out." >> Wait, so she's not actually leaving her >> Wait, so she's not actually leaving her >> Wait, so she's not actually leaving her husband, she's just using that as husband, she's just using that as husband, she's just using that as emotional blackmail? emotional blackmail? emotional blackmail? >> Girl, this I don't know what in [music] >> Girl, this I don't know what in [music] >> Girl, this I don't know what in [music] this story is true, but no doubt Megan this story is true, but no doubt Megan this story is true, but no doubt Megan gets more desperate, especially after gets more desperate, especially after gets more desperate, especially after she loses her job in 2024 for falsifying she loses her job in 2024 for falsifying she loses her job in 2024 for falsifying time cards and lying about it. time cards and lying about it. time cards and lying about it. And And And >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> when I say desperate, like messages get >> when I say desperate, like messages get >> when I say desperate, like messages get unhinged. unhinged. unhinged. In one, Megan tells Casey, "If you dying In one, Megan tells Casey, "If you dying In one, Megan tells Casey, "If you dying would get me out of this mess and would get me out of this mess and would get me out of this mess and darkness, I am in. I would take [music] darkness, I am in. I would take [music] darkness, I am in. I would take [music] it." And Casey later says, "I hope I can it." And Casey later says, "I hope I can it." And Casey later says, "I hope I can just die within the next few days cuz just die within the next few days cuz just die within the next few days cuz then you can quit your job, and I would then you can quit your job, and I would then you can quit your job, and I would honestly honestly honestly >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> love that for you."

>> love that for you." >> love that for you." And Megan replied, And Megan replied, And Megan replied, "You are sweet. "You are sweet. "You are sweet. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I'd love that, too." >> I'd love that, too." >> I'd love that, too." And she tried to make that a reality, And she tried to make that a reality, And she tried to make that a reality, telling Casey things like, "I can give telling Casey things like, "I can give telling Casey things like, "I can give you insulin over and over until it you insulin over and over until it you insulin over and over until it works. works. works. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I want to make sure that I come and help >> I want to make sure that I come and help >> I want to make sure that I come and help you do it." you do it." you do it." These messages are inching closer and These messages are inching closer and These messages are inching closer and closer to late July, early August, closer to late July, early August, closer to late July, early August, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and Megan just keeps asking Casey if she >> and Megan just keeps asking Casey if she >> and Megan just keeps asking Casey if she wants her to come over and do it. And wants her to come over and do it. And wants her to come over and do it. And Casey keeps trying to push her off with Casey keeps trying to push her off with Casey keeps trying to push her off with a bunch of different excuses. a bunch of different excuses. a bunch of different excuses. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> She's scared. She wants to talk to her >> She's scared. She wants to talk to her >> She's scared. She wants to talk to her doctor first. She even gets to a point doctor first. She even gets to a point doctor first. She even gets to a point of trying to say that she's trying to do of trying to say that she's trying to do of trying to say that she's trying to do it herself, but her body has a it herself, but her body has a it herself, but her body has a medication absorption problem, and she medication absorption problem, and she medication absorption problem, and she invented a fake surgery that she was invented a fake surgery that she was invented a fake surgery that she was planning to go get that would allow her planning to go get that would allow her planning to go get that would allow her to absorb meds so that she could die. to absorb meds so that she could die. to absorb meds so that she could die. And Megan, a nurse, did not call her on And Megan, a nurse, did not call her on And Megan, a nurse, did not call her on this or question this. This is not a this or question this. This is not a this or question this. This is not a real surgery. She basically just said real surgery. She basically just said real surgery. She basically just said that if the surgery didn't happen, they that if the surgery didn't happen, they that if the surgery didn't happen, they should just like try over the weekend. should just like try over the weekend. should just like try over the weekend. >> Uh why is she still friends with this >> Uh why is she still friends with this >> Uh why is she still friends with this woman?

woman? woman? >> Or Casey or Megan? Like [music] >> Or Casey or Megan? Like [music] >> Or Casey or Megan? Like [music] >> Honestly, both. But but Casey, I'm this >> Honestly, both. But but Casey, I'm this >> Honestly, both. But but Casey, I'm this woman clearly only wants you dead for woman clearly only wants you dead for woman clearly only wants you dead for the money. the money. the money. >> This is a at the heart of this story. >> This is a at the heart of this story. >> This is a at the heart of this story. There is [music] this very complicated There is [music] this very complicated There is [music] this very complicated dynamic here that we haven't even dynamic here that we haven't even dynamic here that we haven't even scratched the surface on. Like I get scratched the surface on. Like I get scratched the surface on. Like I get drama bonding, but this is drama bonding, but this is drama bonding, but this is some next level sh- some next level sh- some next level sh- Like this has to be some sort of like Like this has to be some sort of like Like this has to be some sort of like emotional abuse or something. emotional abuse or something. emotional abuse or something. >> Well, Megan would eventually argue that >> Well, Megan would eventually argue that >> Well, Megan would eventually argue that this is something that Casey wanted. this is something that Casey wanted. this is something that Casey wanted. Like this was the plan that they made Like this was the plan that they made Like this was the plan that they made together. [music] together. [music] together. [music] And especially closer to the end, as she And especially closer to the end, as she And especially closer to the end, as she had to be put on hospice care and had had to be put on hospice care and had had to be put on hospice care and had like three whatever different nurses, like three whatever different nurses, like three whatever different nurses, that eventually what like whatever that eventually what like whatever that eventually what like whatever happened before, eventually this is is happened before, eventually this is is happened before, eventually this is is what she wanted. She, Casey. She, Casey. what she wanted. She, Casey. She, Casey. what she wanted. She, Casey. She, Casey. That's what she's saying. Now, on August That's what she's saying. Now, on August That's what she's saying. Now, on August 10th, Megan said, 10th, Megan said, 10th, Megan said, "I couldn't make it work today, [music] "I couldn't make it work today, [music] "I couldn't make it work today, [music] tomorrow, Monday even. You don't have to tomorrow, Monday even. You don't have to tomorrow, Monday even. You don't have to draw it up all yourself. I would come draw it up all yourself. I would come draw it up all yourself. I would come and help [music] you."

and help [music] you." and help [music] you." On August 11th, Casey texted Megan that On August 11th, Casey texted Megan that On August 11th, Casey texted Megan that she spent the night drawing up insulin. she spent the night drawing up insulin. she spent the night drawing up insulin. And the two agreed that Megan was going And the two agreed that Megan was going And the two agreed that Megan was going to come over the next morning. to come over the next morning. to come over the next morning. >> So, this was the girls' day. >> So, this was the girls' day. >> So, this was the girls' day. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Yep. Everything boils down to this day. >> Yep. Everything boils down to this day. >> Yep. Everything boils down to this day. August 12th, 2024, [music] August 12th, 2024, [music] August 12th, 2024, [music] and what really happened once Megan came and what really happened once Megan came and what really happened once Megan came over. Now, Megan must know that even over. Now, Megan must know that even over. Now, Megan must know that even [music] after deleting these messages, [music] after deleting these messages, [music] after deleting these messages, police are going to see them. Because police are going to see them. Because police are going to see them. Because after her first interview with them, after her first interview with them, after her first interview with them, when they asked for her phone, but when they asked for her phone, but when they asked for her phone, but before she actually hands it in, she has before she actually hands it in, she has before she actually hands it in, she has a recorded phone call with the lead a recorded phone call with the lead a recorded phone call with the lead >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> detective, where she seems to try to lay >> detective, where she seems to try to lay >> detective, where she seems to try to lay a little groundwork. Like get ahead of a little groundwork. Like get ahead of a little groundwork. Like get ahead of things. things. things. She says, quote, She says, quote, She says, quote, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> "I think I need to say that I knew what >> "I think I need to say that I knew what >> "I think I need to say that I knew what Casey was doing and I [music] didn't Casey was doing and I [music] didn't Casey was doing and I [music] didn't help her." help her." help her." >> You think you need to say that, or you >> You think you need to say that, or you >> You think you need to say that, or you are saying that? are saying that? are saying that? >> Yeah, and the messages that they will >> Yeah, and the messages that they will >> Yeah, and the messages that they will will eventually have show a little more will eventually have show a little more will eventually have show a little more than you knowing what she was doing.

than you knowing what she was doing. than you knowing what she was doing. Like this very much feels like a you Like this very much feels like a you Like this very much feels like a you plan. plan. plan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And she for sure made no attempt to help >> And she for sure made no attempt to help >> And she for sure made no attempt to help her. Because, by the way, that [music] her. Because, by the way, that [music] her. Because, by the way, that [music] text that she sent to the hospice text that she sent to the hospice text that she sent to the hospice doctor, doctor, doctor, it turns out, when they see her phone, it turns out, when they see her phone, it turns out, when they see her phone, that was sent at 12:47 p.m. that was sent at 12:47 p.m. that was sent at 12:47 p.m. That's before she said that she started That's before she said that she started That's before she said that she started to really get worried about Casey. to really get worried about Casey. to really get worried about Casey. And here's what the message actually And here's what the message actually And here's what the message actually said. "Hello, Dr. Masteller. This is said. "Hello, Dr. Masteller. This is said. "Hello, Dr. Masteller. This is Meg, [music] Casey's friend. I'm just Meg, [music] Casey's friend. I'm just Meg, [music] Casey's friend. I'm just trying to touch base with you and see trying to touch base with you and see trying to touch base with you and see where we're at with getting surgery where we're at with getting surgery where we're at with getting surgery scheduled. Casey's memory isn't the scheduled. Casey's memory isn't the scheduled. Casey's memory isn't the best, so when I ask her, she isn't best, so when I ask her, she isn't best, so when I ask her, she isn't always very clear." always very clear." always very clear." >> Which is like >> Which is like >> Which is like not her calling about like being worried not her calling about like being worried not her calling about like being worried about Casey, Casey's in crisis, about Casey, Casey's in crisis, about Casey, Casey's in crisis, I need help with Casey, can you help me I need help with Casey, can you help me I need help with Casey, can you help me figure out what's going on with Casey. figure out what's going on with Casey. figure out what's going on with Casey. It's nothing like we It's nothing like we It's nothing like we I assumed the call to the hospice doctor I assumed the call to the hospice doctor I assumed the call to the hospice doctor was going to be. was going to be. was going to be. >> And she like has to be, once she turns >> And she like has to be, once she turns >> And she like has to be, once she turns over her phone, she has to be like over her phone, she has to be like over her phone, she has to be like sitting and stewing, thinking about all sitting and stewing, thinking about all sitting and stewing, thinking about all the things they're going to see [music] the things they're going to see [music] the things they're going to see [music] and read. She has to be spiraling and and read. She has to be spiraling and and read. She has to be spiraling and getting nervous, like so much so that getting nervous, like so much so that getting nervous, like so much so that without even being asked, she shows up without even being asked, she shows up without even being asked, she shows up at the police station to like check in at the police station to like check in at the police station to like check in on the investigation.

on the investigation. on the investigation. >> how's it going? >> how's it going? >> how's it going? >> It's August 21st now, [music] and >> It's August 21st now, [music] and >> It's August 21st now, [music] and specifically she's there wanting to know specifically she's there wanting to know specifically she's there wanting to know if they're going to be doing an autopsy if they're going to be doing an autopsy if they're going to be doing an autopsy on Casey. on Casey. on Casey. >> Uh yeah. >> Uh yeah. >> Uh yeah. >> Yeah, which at that point already done >> Yeah, which at that point already done >> Yeah, which at that point already done and dusted. They're just still waiting and dusted. They're just still waiting and dusted. They're just still waiting on the report. on the report. on the report. So, this impromptu visit, like this may So, this impromptu visit, like this may So, this impromptu visit, like this may not have been when they planned to bring not have been when they planned to bring not have been when they planned to bring her back in, but like, hey, [music] now her back in, but like, hey, [music] now her back in, but like, hey, [music] now she's here. Good a time as any to ask she's here. Good a time as any to ask she's here. Good a time as any to ask her about all those deleted messages her about all those deleted messages her about all those deleted messages [music] [music] [music] and why she deleted them. and why she deleted them. and why she deleted them. And she said she did that because she And she said she did that because she And she said she did that because she didn't want it to look like she had done didn't want it to look like she had done didn't want it to look like she had done anything that she was [music] being anything that she was [music] being anything that she was [music] being accused of doing. accused of doing. accused of doing. >> Okay, it it >> Okay, it it >> Okay, it it that's definitely what it does look that's definitely what it does look that's definitely what it does look like. Like more I mean, honestly, looks like. Like more I mean, honestly, looks like. Like more I mean, honestly, looks worse. worse. worse. >> Right. Like she must have like I don't >> Right. Like she must have like I don't >> Right. Like she must have like I don't know. You had to have known that those know. You had to have known that those know. You had to have known that those messages were going to be on Casey's messages were going to be on Casey's messages were going to be on Casey's phone. Like that You didn't make them go phone. Like that You didn't make them go phone. Like that You didn't make them go away. away. away. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> It's just so odd to me. >> It's just so odd to me. >> It's just so odd to me. Now, after this interview, police have Now, after this interview, police have Now, after this interview, police have at least one more chat with Megan on at least one more chat with Megan on at least one more chat with Megan on August [music] 29th. August [music] 29th. August [music] 29th. But then, after this, things kind of go But then, after this, things kind of go But then, after this, things kind of go quiet because I think this is when they quiet because I think this is when they quiet because I think this is when they go into like go into like >> [music] >> [music] >> case building mode while they wait for >> case building mode while they wait for >> case building mode while they wait for the autopsy results to come back. But the autopsy results to come back. But the autopsy results to come back. But operating under the assumption that operating under the assumption that operating under the assumption that insulin is [music] the culprit here, insulin is [music] the culprit here, insulin is [music] the culprit here, which is like what everything is which is like what everything is which is like what everything is pointing to, pointing to, pointing to, they're excited when they get back some they're excited when they get back some they're excited when they get back some data from that glucometer, that one that data from that glucometer, that one that data from that glucometer, that one that was found at the scene.

was found at the scene. was found at the scene. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Apparently, it recorded 19 readings >> Apparently, it recorded 19 readings >> Apparently, it recorded 19 readings [music] [music] [music] over a 10-hour period on August 12th. over a 10-hour period on August 12th. over a 10-hour period on August 12th. Based on the timing of the messages and Based on the timing of the messages and Based on the timing of the messages and phone [music] data, the first reading phone [music] data, the first reading phone [music] data, the first reading was taken by Casey before Megan arrived, was taken by Casey before Megan arrived, was taken by Casey before Megan arrived, and it showed a normal blood sugar level and it showed a normal blood sugar level and it showed a normal blood sugar level of 87. [music] of 87. [music] of 87. [music] From when Megan arrived until 1:43 p.m., From when Megan arrived until 1:43 p.m., From when Megan arrived until 1:43 p.m., eight more readings were taken until eight more readings were taken until eight more readings were taken until Casey recorded a blood sugar level of Casey recorded a blood sugar level of Casey recorded a blood sugar level of 43, which is a hypoglycemic emergency 43, which is a hypoglycemic emergency 43, which is a hypoglycemic emergency and means that Casey would have been and means that Casey would have been and means that Casey would have been unconscious. unconscious. unconscious. From there, her blood sugar continued to From there, her blood sugar continued to From there, her blood sugar continued to drop until 4:17 p.m. [music] drop until 4:17 p.m. [music] drop until 4:17 p.m. [music] when it started to return like it would when it started to return like it would when it started to return like it would it just said low, l o. it just said low, l o. it just said low, l o. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And at 4:23, Megan's phone recorded a >> And at 4:23, Megan's phone recorded a >> And at 4:23, Megan's phone recorded a Google search for how low the glucometer Google search for how low the glucometer Google search for how low the glucometer could read. could read. could read. >> I was >> I was >> I was >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> actually about to say that's what that >> actually about to say that's what that >> actually about to say that's what that means. means. means. >> Like it doesn't even go that low. The >> Like it doesn't even go that low. The >> Like it doesn't even go that low. The last reading was taken at 7:19 p.m. last reading was taken at 7:19 p.m. last reading was taken at 7:19 p.m. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And as we know, it would be over an hour >> And as we know, it would be over an hour >> And as we know, it would be over an hour until Megan's parents arrived to give until Megan's parents arrived to give until Megan's parents arrived to give Casey a blessing of release.

Casey a blessing of release. Casey a blessing of release. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And in all that time, remember, even if >> And in all that time, remember, even if >> And in all that time, remember, even if she didn't administer the insulin, she didn't administer the insulin, she didn't administer the insulin, Megan's assertion has been that she Megan's assertion has been that she Megan's assertion has been that she thought Casey was dying and that she was thought Casey was dying and that she was thought Casey was dying and that she was just respecting her DNR just respecting her DNR just respecting her DNR >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> as her medical proxy. >> as her medical proxy. >> as her medical proxy. >> Which she wasn't and she lied about. >> Which she wasn't and she lied about. >> Which she wasn't and she lied about. >> She also lied about the DNR. >> She also lied about the DNR. >> She also lied about the DNR. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> It is confirmed Casey never had one. >> It is confirmed Casey never had one. >> It is confirmed Casey never had one. The night Casey was taken to the The night Casey was taken to the The night Casey was taken to the hospital, authorities could not find one hospital, authorities could not find one hospital, authorities could not find one anywhere among her things, which was anywhere among her things, which was anywhere among her things, which was surprising because when someone has a surprising because when someone has a surprising because when someone has a DNR, it's common practice to hang a copy DNR, it's common practice to hang a copy DNR, it's common practice to hang a copy like on the refrigerator or keep it on like on the refrigerator or keep it on like on the refrigerator or keep it on the nightstand or the nightstand or the nightstand or >> Have it accessible. >> Have it accessible. >> Have it accessible. >> Yeah, so that someone entering your home >> Yeah, so that someone entering your home >> Yeah, so that someone entering your home is going to see it immediately. is going to see it immediately. is going to see it immediately. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> But after checking with medical >> But after checking with medical >> But after checking with medical providers, it turns out that Casey never providers, it turns out that Casey never providers, it turns out that Casey never had a DNR at any point. Everything Megan had a DNR at any point. Everything Megan had a DNR at any point. Everything Megan was saying was a lie. was saying was a lie. was saying was a lie. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And the complicated thing about this >> And the complicated thing about this >> And the complicated thing about this case is that it's twisted at its very case is that it's twisted at its very case is that it's twisted at its very core. And the very foundation on which core. And the very foundation on which core. And the very foundation on which it was built are lies.

it was built are lies. it was built are lies. But not Megan's. But not Megan's. But not Megan's. Casey's. Any theory of motive for why Megan would Any theory of motive for why Megan would want Casey dead is centered around the want Casey dead is centered around the want Casey dead is centered around the 1.5 million-dollar life insurance policy 1.5 million-dollar life insurance policy 1.5 million-dollar life insurance policy that she was supposed to be the that she was supposed to be the that she was supposed to be the beneficiary of. The policy that they had beneficiary of. The policy that they had beneficiary of. The policy that they had talked about in text messages. The one talked about in text messages. The one talked about in text messages. The one that was going to solve all of Megan's that was going to solve all of Megan's that was going to solve all of Megan's financial troubles. The one Casey financial troubles. The one Casey financial troubles. The one Casey promised would be coming to her. promised would be coming to her. promised would be coming to her. But after Casey's death, no one in her But after Casey's death, no one in her But after Casey's death, no one in her family would hand over the paperwork so family would hand over the paperwork so family would hand over the paperwork so she could collect on the policy. She she could collect on the policy. She she could collect on the policy. She even had the balls to ask police to try even had the balls to ask police to try even had the balls to ask police to try and help her find it, but they said that and help her find it, but they said that and help her find it, but they said that they hadn't come across anything like they hadn't come across anything like they hadn't come across anything like that. that. that. So finally, Megan just called the So finally, Megan just called the So finally, Megan just called the insurance company. Like she might not insurance company. Like she might not insurance company. Like she might not have the paperwork, but she had the have the paperwork, but she had the have the paperwork, but she had the policy number to give them. [music] policy number to give them. [music] policy number to give them. [music] Except when she does, she's told that Except when she does, she's told that Except when she does, she's told that it's not real. it's not real. it's not real. Casey did not have a life [music] Casey did not have a life [music] Casey did not have a life [music] insurance policy. insurance policy. insurance policy. >> At all? >> At all? >> At all? >> Not at all. >> Not at all. >> Not at all. I mean, [music] there is a piece of I mean, [music] there is a piece of I mean, [music] there is a piece of paperwork from 1996 paperwork from 1996 paperwork from 1996 that suggests at one point a policy that suggests at one point a policy that suggests at one point a policy might have existed, maybe, but certainly might have existed, maybe, but certainly might have existed, maybe, but certainly in no time when she had met Megan in in no time when she had met Megan in in no time when she had met Megan in 2013 or after, did she have an insurance 2013 or after, did she have an insurance 2013 or after, did she have an insurance policy. Nothing even remotely like close policy. Nothing even remotely like close policy. Nothing even remotely like close to it or that would have been active. It to it or that would have been active. It to it or that would have been active. It [music] was a total [music] was a total [music] was a total lie.

lie. lie. And by the way, Casey didn't need a life And by the way, Casey didn't need a life And by the way, Casey didn't need a life insurance policy because I haven't even insurance policy because I haven't even insurance policy because I haven't even gotten to the biggest lie of all. One gotten to the biggest lie of all. One gotten to the biggest lie of all. One that up until Casey's death, everyone that up until Casey's death, everyone that up until Casey's death, everyone seemed to believe. [music] seemed to believe. [music] seemed to believe. [music] And that's the fact that Casey, And that's the fact that Casey, And that's the fact that Casey, who had been telling her family and who had been telling her family and who had been telling her family and friends for years that she had terminal friends for years that she had terminal friends for years that she had terminal cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy, cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy, cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy, [music] [music] [music] did not have any form of cancer did not have any form of cancer did not have any form of cancer whatsoever. whatsoever. whatsoever. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Her >> Her >> Her >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Her autopsy will confirm it. Casey's >> Her autopsy will confirm it. Casey's >> Her autopsy will confirm it. Casey's cause of death is determined to be from cause of death is determined to be from cause of death is determined to be from [music] the combined effects of [music] the combined effects of [music] the combined effects of oxycodone, promethazine, and probable oxycodone, promethazine, and probable oxycodone, promethazine, and probable [music] synthetic insulin. [music] synthetic insulin. [music] synthetic insulin. The ultimate manner is ruled The ultimate manner is ruled The ultimate manner is ruled undetermined cuz they can't say how the undetermined cuz they can't say how the undetermined cuz they can't say how the insulin got in her system, [music] insulin got in her system, [music] insulin got in her system, [music] but the important point is that she was but the important point is that she was but the important point is that she was not, at any time, dying of cancer or had not, at any time, dying of cancer or had not, at any time, dying of cancer or had cancer. cancer. cancer. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> Okay. I feel like I need to give my sec- my I feel like I need to give my sec- my I feel like I need to give my sec- my like brain a second to catch up here. like brain a second to catch up here. like brain a second to catch up here. >> I know. And this is the most wild part >> I know. And this is the most wild part >> I know. And this is the most wild part to me. She was not just lying to Megan. to me. She was not just lying to Megan. to me. She was not just lying to Megan. Her whole family really believed she had Her whole family really believed she had Her whole family really believed she had cancer. They had really been taking her cancer. They had really been taking her cancer. They had really been taking her to what they thought were chemo to what they thought were chemo to what they thought were chemo treatment appointments, late-night ER treatment appointments, late-night ER treatment appointments, late-night ER visits, [music] visits, [music] visits, [music] and she was constantly hooked up to drip and she was constantly hooked up to drip and she was constantly hooked up to drip bags at home. And they'd even been in bags at home. And they'd even been in bags at home. And they'd even been in communication with her hospice nurses, communication with her hospice nurses, communication with her hospice nurses, who had names, Becky, Kelly, Amber, who had names, Becky, Kelly, Amber, who had names, Becky, Kelly, Amber, Lauren, but it turns out none of them Lauren, but it turns out none of them Lauren, but it turns out none of them were real, either. It was her texting were real, either. It was her texting were real, either. It was her texting from her own phone pretending to be from her own phone pretending to be from her own phone pretending to be them. And Britt, the doctor that Megan them. And Britt, the doctor that Megan them. And Britt, the doctor that Megan had text, had text, had text, that interaction wasn't real. Like, the that interaction wasn't real. Like, the that interaction wasn't real. Like, the doctor was real, but I the the number doctor was real, but I the the number doctor was real, but I the the number that Megan had text that day [music] was that Megan had text that day [music] was that Megan had text that day [music] was to Casey's dead dad's old number. to Casey's dead dad's old number. to Casey's dead dad's old number. >> Which explains why the doctor never got >> Which explains why the doctor never got >> Which explains why the doctor never got back to them. back to them. back to them. >> Yeah. And the bags that she had been >> Yeah. And the bags that she had been >> Yeah. And the bags that she had been hooked up to were saline that she got hooked up to were saline that she got hooked up to were saline that she got delivered for her kidney disease, delivered for her kidney disease, delivered for her kidney disease, [music] [music] [music] which, by the way, was found to be the which, by the way, was found to be the which, by the way, was found to be the probable result of ibuprofen overuse.

probable result of ibuprofen overuse. probable result of ibuprofen overuse. >> Was Casey telling the truth about >> Was Casey telling the truth about >> Was Casey telling the truth about anything? anything? anything? >> I mean, she did actually have only one >> I mean, she did actually have only one >> I mean, she did actually have only one kidney and severely arthritic knees for kidney and severely arthritic knees for kidney and severely arthritic knees for which she was prescribed opioids. which she was prescribed opioids. which she was prescribed opioids. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And some of her conditions, like >> And some of her conditions, like >> And some of her conditions, like endometriosis, fibromyalgia, anxiety, endometriosis, fibromyalgia, anxiety, endometriosis, fibromyalgia, anxiety, depression, I mean, those are like depression, I mean, those are like depression, I mean, those are like diagnosed based on patient-reported diagnosed based on patient-reported diagnosed based on patient-reported symptoms. [music] symptoms. [music] symptoms. [music] >> was this like a Munchausen's thing? >> was this like a Munchausen's thing? >> was this like a Munchausen's thing? >> I don't see it like described that way >> I don't see it like described that way >> I don't see it like described that way anywhere officially, but Casey was anywhere officially, but Casey was anywhere officially, but Casey was definitely exhibiting the signs. definitely exhibiting the signs. definitely exhibiting the signs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Her primary physician said that she was >> Her primary physician said that she was >> Her primary physician said that she was a frequent [music] flyer and that the a frequent [music] flyer and that the a frequent [music] flyer and that the opinion among him and his staff was that opinion among him and his staff was that opinion among him and his staff was that she liked the attention that came she liked the attention that came she liked the attention that came >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> with medical crises. >> with medical crises. >> with medical crises. >> I mean, do you think Megan knew she was >> I mean, do you think Megan knew she was >> I mean, do you think Megan knew she was lying and lying and lying and whatever she was doing was some kind of whatever she was doing was some kind of whatever she was doing was some kind of like revenge? like revenge? like revenge? >> Dude, like this complicates things so >> Dude, like this complicates things so >> Dude, like this complicates things so much. I don't know what to [music] much. I don't know what to [music] much. I don't know what to [music] believe. Like, in my mind, Megan had to believe. Like, in my mind, Megan had to believe. Like, in my mind, Megan had to have known she was faking it. I'm like, have known she was faking it. I'm like, have known she was faking it. I'm like, to be fair, I guess like the people she to be fair, I guess like the people she to be fair, I guess like the people she was living with didn't know, so it's was living with didn't know, so it's was living with didn't know, so it's like possible Megan didn't either, but I like possible Megan didn't either, but I like possible Megan didn't either, but I keep coming back to the fact that Megan keep coming back to the fact that Megan keep coming back to the fact that Megan was a nurse, and some of the stuff that was a nurse, and some of the stuff that was a nurse, and some of the stuff that Casey was saying and doing should have Casey was saying and doing should have Casey was saying and doing should have been red flags. Like, for example, so been red flags. Like, for example, so been red flags. Like, for example, so she has that arthritic knee. She is she has that arthritic knee. She is she has that arthritic knee. She is supposedly on hospice care. This is like supposedly on hospice care. This is like supposedly on hospice care. This is like >> end-of-life care.

>> end-of-life care. >> end-of-life care. >> Right. But, just weeks before she died, >> Right. But, just weeks before she died, >> Right. But, just weeks before she died, she got a knee replacement surgery. Like she got a knee replacement surgery. Like she got a knee replacement surgery. Like there were signs. I mean, there were signs. I mean, there were signs. I mean, maybe Megan was blinded by the maybe Megan was blinded by the maybe Megan was blinded by the the money or the promise of money. I the money or the promise of money. I the money or the promise of money. I don't know. Like I could spiral. I mean, don't know. Like I could spiral. I mean, don't know. Like I could spiral. I mean, like if she knows all of this is fake, like if she knows all of this is fake, like if she knows all of this is fake, why is she even texting this doctor why is she even texting this doctor why is she even texting this doctor about a fake surgery? Like did she did about a fake surgery? Like did she did about a fake surgery? Like did she did she think she think she think >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> the number was real? Did she think the >> the number was real? Did she think the >> the number was real? Did she think the surgery cuz it we're talking about that surgery cuz it we're talking about that surgery cuz it we're talking about that we're talking about the surgery she was we're talking about the surgery she was we're talking about the surgery she was going to have to like reverse her going to have to like reverse her going to have to like reverse her absorption, whatever. So like did she absorption, whatever. So like did she absorption, whatever. So like did she did did she believe all of that or is did did she believe all of that or is did did she believe all of that or is she just like going along with something she just like going along with something she just like going along with something that Casey's asking her to do in the that Casey's asking her to do in the that Casey's asking her to do in the moment so that like she's trying to moment so that like she's trying to moment so that like she's trying to convince convince convince >> the ruse or something. >> the ruse or something. >> the ruse or something. >> Yeah. I don't know. Like >> Yeah. I don't know. Like >> Yeah. I don't know. Like I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> To me, the the one and only thing that >> To me, the the one and only thing that >> To me, the the one and only thing that comes across loud and clear from the comes across loud and clear from the comes across loud and clear from the messages is that no matter what Megan messages is that no matter what Megan messages is that no matter what Megan knew or didn't know or believed or knew or didn't know or believed or knew or didn't know or believed or whatever, she didn't [music] actually whatever, she didn't [music] actually whatever, she didn't [music] actually care about Casey. care about Casey. care about Casey. She cared about the money. Now, what did She cared about the money. Now, what did She cared about the money. Now, what did Casey care about?

Casey care about? Casey care about? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Like I Like I Like I >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I one of the things that like when I >> I one of the things that like when I >> I one of the things that like when I looked at this case and drew me to and looked at this case and drew me to and looked at this case and drew me to and I'm like, man, if this played out a I'm like, man, if this played out a I'm like, man, if this played out a different way, different way, different way, would we be doing like a scam episode would we be doing like a scam episode would we be doing like a scam episode about her? about her? about her? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like maybe. But even though like what >> Like maybe. But even though like what >> Like maybe. But even though like what led up to Casey's death is led up to Casey's death is led up to Casey's death is >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> complicated and messy, no doubt. >> complicated and messy, no doubt. >> complicated and messy, no doubt. Police say that doesn't change the end Police say that doesn't change the end Police say that doesn't change the end picture, picture, picture, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> which they believe is that of a woman >> which they believe is that of a woman >> which they believe is that of a woman who plotted her best friend's murder for who plotted her best friend's murder for who plotted her best friend's murder for a payout. [music] a payout. [music] a payout. [music] So on March 20th, 2025, So on March 20th, 2025, So on March 20th, 2025, Megan was arrested on charges of Megan was arrested on charges of Megan was arrested on charges of premeditated, aggravated murder, and premeditated, aggravated murder, and premeditated, aggravated murder, and obstruction of justice. obstruction of justice. obstruction of justice. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> At trial, her future and this whole case >> At trial, her future and this whole case >> At trial, her future and this whole case boiled down to one question. boiled down to one question. boiled down to one question. Who was in control in Casey's room that Who was in control in Casey's room that Who was in control in Casey's room that day? day? day? >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> I mean, >> I mean, >> I mean, is [clears throat] that even a question is [clears throat] that even a question is [clears throat] that even a question though? I feel I feel like the text though? I feel I feel like the text though? I feel I feel like the text messages say exactly what the plan was. messages say exactly what the plan was. messages say exactly what the plan was. >> Well, based on all of the court >> Well, based on all of the court >> Well, based on all of the court documents and trial transcripts, which documents and trial transcripts, which documents and trial transcripts, which is what we used as source material for is what we used as source material for is what we used as source material for this at whole episode, this at whole episode, this at whole episode, that is what the prosecution will argue.

that is what the prosecution will argue. that is what the prosecution will argue. That Megan took advantage of and That Megan took advantage of and That Megan took advantage of and intentionally killed her vulnerable, intentionally killed her vulnerable, intentionally killed her vulnerable, admittedly flawed, friend. [music] admittedly flawed, friend. [music] admittedly flawed, friend. [music] They put forward that Megan, a trained They put forward that Megan, a trained They put forward that Megan, a trained nurse, went along with Casey's nurse, went along with Casey's nurse, went along with Casey's unbelievable lies, including [music] unbelievable lies, including [music] unbelievable lies, including [music] surviving nine vials of insulin, because surviving nine vials of insulin, because surviving nine vials of insulin, because she was struggling financially and she was struggling financially and she was struggling financially and wanted to collect Casey's life insurance wanted to collect Casey's life insurance wanted to collect Casey's life insurance money. money. money. They say that on August 12th, Megan was They say that on August 12th, Megan was They say that on August 12th, Megan was the person in control of the situation, the person in control of the situation, the person in control of the situation, [music] and the event was a planned [music] and the event was a planned [music] and the event was a planned execution, not a misunderstanding nor a execution, not a misunderstanding nor a execution, not a misunderstanding nor a suicide. suicide. suicide. >> What if they were >> What if they were >> What if they were both in control, though? Like, [music] both in control, though? Like, [music] both in control, though? Like, [music] if Megan injected Casey with the insulin if Megan injected Casey with the insulin if Megan injected Casey with the insulin because Casey told her to. because Casey told her to. because Casey told her to. >> Like assisted You're You're talking like >> Like assisted You're You're talking like >> Like assisted You're You're talking like assisted suicide. assisted suicide. assisted suicide. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, that like you can't You don't even want that like you can't You don't even want that like you can't You don't even want to argue that here because in most to argue that here because in most to argue that here because in most states, including Utah, that's still states, including Utah, that's still states, including Utah, that's still illegal. Yeah, so in a case like this, illegal. Yeah, so in a case like this, illegal. Yeah, so in a case like this, even if Casey was a willing participant, even if Casey was a willing participant, even if Casey was a willing participant, that doesn't remove any criminal that doesn't remove any criminal that doesn't remove any criminal responsibility from Megan. Also, [music] responsibility from Megan. Also, [music] responsibility from Megan. Also, [music] even if that's what she would have done, even if that's what she would have done, even if that's what she would have done, if she did it how Casey laid it out, if she did it how Casey laid it out, if she did it how Casey laid it out, like truly assisted her, [music] like truly assisted her, [music] like truly assisted her, [music] Casey should still be alive. Because Casey should still be alive. Because Casey should still be alive. Because even though Casey was making this plan, even though Casey was making this plan, even though Casey was making this plan, [music] [music] [music] behind the scenes, it seems like she was behind the scenes, it seems like she was behind the scenes, it seems like she was still looking for a way out. Kind of still looking for a way out. Kind of still looking for a way out. Kind of like all the times before, when she like all the times before, when she like all the times before, when she would like agree to do it and then be would like agree to do it and then be would like agree to do it and then be like, "Darn, nine bottles didn't work."

like, "Darn, nine bottles didn't work." like, "Darn, nine bottles didn't work." Like, she's faking it, right? So, this Like, she's faking it, right? So, this Like, she's faking it, right? So, this is escalating. Megan now wanted to do is escalating. Megan now wanted to do is escalating. Megan now wanted to do this in person, so it seems like Casey this in person, so it seems like Casey this in person, so it seems like Casey had to come up with a new [music] way to had to come up with a new [music] way to had to come up with a new [music] way to fake it. And I think she probably found fake it. And I think she probably found fake it. And I think she probably found one, because the night before the 12th, one, because the night before the 12th, one, because the night before the 12th, when Casey texted Megan that she spent when Casey texted Megan that she spent when Casey texted Megan that she spent the night drawing up insulin, the night drawing up insulin, the night drawing up insulin, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> her Google search history suggests >> her Google search history suggests >> her Google search history suggests something different may have happened. something different may have happened. something different may have happened. That night, Casey's phone shows repeated That night, Casey's phone shows repeated That night, Casey's phone shows repeated searches for "Is it okay to give searches for "Is it okay to give searches for "Is it okay to give yourself a shot with [music] just saline yourself a shot with [music] just saline yourself a shot with [music] just saline in it?" in it?" in it?" >> So, she was going to have like stage >> So, she was going to have like stage >> So, she was going to have like stage syringes ready to go with not insulin. syringes ready to go with not insulin. syringes ready to go with not insulin. >> It seems like it. >> It seems like it. >> It seems like it. Like if Megan came over and injected Like if Megan came over and injected Like if Megan came over and injected Casey with the syringes that Casey had Casey with the syringes that Casey had Casey with the syringes that Casey had prepared, which had if they had saline prepared, which had if they had saline prepared, which had if they had saline in it, nothing would have happened. in it, nothing would have happened. in it, nothing would have happened. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And I think Casey could be like, "Look, >> And I think Casey could be like, "Look, >> And I think Casey could be like, "Look, see, like I'm trying, but like it just see, like I'm trying, but like it just see, like I'm trying, but like it just doesn't work on me." Remember, she'd doesn't work on me." Remember, she'd doesn't work on me." Remember, she'd been telling Megan that the reason it been telling Megan that the reason it been telling Megan that the reason it wasn't working before was she had this wasn't working before was she had this wasn't working before was she had this like medical absorption condition. Like like medical absorption condition. Like like medical absorption condition. Like it wouldn't work. But we know something it wouldn't work. But we know something it wouldn't work. But we know something like like like >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> obviously did happen.

>> obviously did happen. >> obviously did happen. So, the prosecution argues that Megan So, the prosecution argues that Megan So, the prosecution argues that Megan like switched the syringes. like switched the syringes. like switched the syringes. But the defense basically says like no, But the defense basically says like no, But the defense basically says like no, Casey did something wrong, Casey did something wrong, Casey did something wrong, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and there was insulin in those. Like >> and there was insulin in those. Like >> and there was insulin in those. Like like she Maybe she was trying to think like she Maybe she was trying to think like she Maybe she was trying to think it Maybe she didn't want to die, but it Maybe she didn't want to die, but it Maybe she didn't want to die, but like like >> [music] >> it didn't go how it was like how it was >> it didn't go how it was like how it was >> it didn't go how it was like how it was planned. planned. planned. >> test the needles to prove like which >> test the needles to prove like which >> test the needles to prove like which ones had administered saline or insulin ones had administered saline or insulin ones had administered saline or insulin or what syringes held what? or what syringes held what? or what syringes held what? >> This gets really complicated at trial, >> This gets really complicated at trial, >> This gets really complicated at trial, and remember that flood [music] and remember that flood [music] and remember that flood [music] happened, which complicates like some of happened, which complicates like some of happened, which complicates like some of the testing on the syringes that they the testing on the syringes that they the testing on the syringes that they found later. So, I don't think we get found later. So, I don't think we get found later. So, I don't think we get anything there that we can like take to anything there that we can like take to anything there that we can like take to the bank. the bank. the bank. >> Okay, but playing out the prosecution's >> Okay, but playing out the prosecution's >> Okay, but playing out the prosecution's theory, if Megan shows up, Casey has the theory, if Megan shows up, Casey has the theory, if Megan shows up, Casey has the syringes ready to go, syringes ready to go, syringes ready to go, how would Megan know that they were fake how would Megan know that they were fake how would Megan know that they were fake or only had saline? or only had saline? or only had saline? >> So, I don't know. Like maybe I I mean, >> So, I don't know. Like maybe I I mean, >> So, I don't know. Like maybe I I mean, at this point, right? Like it at this point, right? Like it at this point, right? Like it >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> This all goes back to like what did she >> This all goes back to like what did she >> This all goes back to like what did she know? What did she not know? What did know? What did she not know? What did know? What did she not know? What did she believe? What did she not believe? she believe? What did she not believe? she believe? What did she not believe? Like Like Like >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> maybe at this point she didn't trust >> maybe at this point she didn't trust >> maybe at this point she didn't trust Casey. Like she's lying about so much Casey. Like she's lying about so much Casey. Like she's lying about so much stuff. The lies were so outrageous. So, stuff. The lies were so outrageous. So, stuff. The lies were so outrageous. So, like the prosecution basically theorizes like the prosecution basically theorizes like the prosecution basically theorizes that at some point that at some point that at some point like she made this switch, and she just like she made this switch, and she just like she made this switch, and she just took matters into her own hands. How or took matters into her own hands. How or took matters into her own hands. How or when or if Casey was aware, when or if Casey was aware, when or if Casey was aware, >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I don't know if we'll really ever know. >> I don't know if we'll really ever know. >> I don't know if we'll really ever know. And by the way, these Google searches And by the way, these Google searches And by the way, these Google searches about injecting yourself with saline are about injecting yourself with saline are about injecting yourself with saline are just one of the many things the just one of the many things the just one of the many things the prosecution points to as proof that prosecution points to as proof that prosecution points to as proof that Casey was not planning to take her own Casey was not planning to take her own Casey was not planning to take her own life. They say she was planning for her life. They say she was planning for her life. They say she was planning for her future. future. future. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> The day before her death, she'd gone >> The day before her death, she'd gone >> The day before her death, she'd gone grocery shopping buying frozen pizza and grocery shopping buying frozen pizza and grocery shopping buying frozen pizza and dog treats and car freshener, which the dog treats and car freshener, which the dog treats and car freshener, which the state argues are like future-oriented state argues are like future-oriented state argues are like future-oriented purchases. She was purchases. She was purchases. She was planning on scheduling getting her other planning on scheduling getting her other planning on scheduling getting her other knee replaced. She was completing knee replaced. She was completing knee replaced. She was completing physical therapy for the one that she'd physical therapy for the one that she'd physical therapy for the one that she'd just gotten. The girl just got a just gotten. The girl just got a just gotten. The girl just got a treadmill, for God's sake. treadmill, for God's sake. treadmill, for God's sake. >> So, do we think that Megan knew Casey >> So, do we think that Megan knew Casey >> So, do we think that Megan knew Casey was faking the cancer, too? was faking the cancer, too? was faking the cancer, too? >> I think so. That's what I'm saying. Like >> I think so. That's what I'm saying. Like >> I think so. That's what I'm saying. Like I I I >> To me, it just feels like Megan is >> To me, it just feels like Megan is >> To me, it just feels like Megan is seeing through Casey's lies a little seeing through Casey's lies a little seeing through Casey's lies a little bit, right? Like bit, right? Like bit, right? Like >> I think so. >> I think so. >> I think so. >> She's >> She's >> She's >> There's like That's what I'm saying. >> There's like That's what I'm saying. >> There's like That's what I'm saying. It's like it's everywhere. I I like So, It's like it's everywhere. I I like So, It's like it's everywhere. I I like So, they at least spent so much time they they at least spent so much time they they at least spent so much time they they talked so much and like they talked so much and like they talked so much and like for years they've been having this plan for years they've been having this plan for years they've been having this plan that she's like clearly trying to get that she's like clearly trying to get that she's like clearly trying to get out of. Like so, I think she I think she out of. Like so, I think she I think she out of. Like so, I think she I think she has to know. I don't know. I don't has to know. I don't know. I don't has to know. I don't know. I don't >> But but like the thing I can't get past >> But but like the thing I can't get past >> But but like the thing I can't get past is like if she knows she's lying about is like if she knows she's lying about is like if she knows she's lying about like like like I'm saying little things, but it's like I'm saying little things, but it's like I'm saying little things, but it's like cancer.

cancer. cancer. >> Cancer, yeah. >> Cancer, yeah. >> Cancer, yeah. >> How did she >> How did she >> How did she trust trust trust Casey's story about the life insurance Casey's story about the life insurance Casey's story about the life insurance policy? Like out of all the things that policy? Like out of all the things that policy? Like out of all the things that she like she like she like >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> is having possible doubts about with >> is having possible doubts about with >> is having possible doubts about with what Casey's saying, like this is the what Casey's saying, like this is the what Casey's saying, like this is the thing that she's like, "No, she's thing that she's like, "No, she's thing that she's like, "No, she's probably saying the truth like telling probably saying the truth like telling probably saying the truth like telling the truth about this." the truth about this." the truth about this." >> I I think it's because she had that >> I I think it's because she had that >> I I think it's because she had that policy number and like she showed her policy number and like she showed her policy number and like she showed her some kind of documentation, which I some kind of documentation, which I some kind of documentation, which I think it was from like her very, very think it was from like her very, very think it was from like her very, very old paperwork and was just telling her old paperwork and was just telling her old paperwork and was just telling her that she had been like keeping up on the that she had been like keeping up on the that she had been like keeping up on the policy. policy. policy. >> an old policy, yeah. >> an old policy, yeah. >> an old policy, yeah. >> had enough details that it sounded >> had enough details that it sounded >> had enough details that it sounded legit, I think. And legit, I think. And legit, I think. And >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> when you want to believe something, it's >> when you want to believe something, it's >> when you want to believe something, it's easy to convince yourself. And Megan was easy to convince yourself. And Megan was easy to convince yourself. And Megan was hard up. I mean, the prosecution says hard up. I mean, the prosecution says hard up. I mean, the prosecution says that just weeks before Casey's death, that just weeks before Casey's death, that just weeks before Casey's death, Megan had to be spotted 28 bucks at the Megan had to be spotted 28 bucks at the Megan had to be spotted 28 bucks at the grocery store. But mind you, the day grocery store. But mind you, the day grocery store. But mind you, the day before her and Casey's girls day, they before her and Casey's girls day, they before her and Casey's girls day, they can see that Megan was looking up can see that Megan was looking up can see that Megan was looking up flights, island vacations, [music] flights, island vacations, [music] flights, island vacations, [music] jewelry. jewelry. jewelry. >> So it's like she really believed that >> So it's like she really believed that >> So it's like she really believed that she was about to she was about to she was about to come into some cash. come into some cash. come into some cash. >> Yeah, so imagine her surprise.

>> Yeah, so imagine her surprise. >> Yeah, so imagine her surprise. Megan's defense [music] is that she was Megan's defense [music] is that she was Megan's defense [music] is that she was just there to support her friend just there to support her friend just there to support her friend >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> as her friend took her own life by >> as her friend took her own life by >> as her friend took her own life by injecting herself with a bunch of injecting herself with a bunch of injecting herself with a bunch of insulin insulin insulin >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and then dying a slow death. >> and then dying a slow death. >> and then dying a slow death. >> So Casey injected everything herself and >> So Casey injected everything herself and >> So Casey injected everything herself and Megan was just a Megan was just a Megan was just a helpless bystander in the situation. helpless bystander in the situation. helpless bystander in the situation. >> This is their argument. [music] And they >> This is their argument. [music] And they >> This is their argument. [music] And they point to the physical evidence to try point to the physical evidence to try point to the physical evidence to try and support that. Like remember all that and support that. Like remember all that and support that. Like remember all that stuff that Mark found in the Fanta box? stuff that Mark found in the Fanta box? stuff that Mark found in the Fanta box? That was sent off for DNA testing and That was sent off for DNA testing and That was sent off for DNA testing and there were profiles on it. Casey's there were profiles on it. Casey's there were profiles on it. Casey's namely and two others, but none of those namely and two others, but none of those namely and two others, but none of those matched Megan. matched Megan. matched Megan. >> I mean she could have worn gloves. >> I mean she could have worn gloves. >> I mean she could have worn gloves. >> I yeah, but I think it's harder to >> I yeah, but I think it's harder to >> I yeah, but I think it's harder to explain why Casey's DNA is on [music] explain why Casey's DNA is on [music] explain why Casey's DNA is on [music] them. I mean there are ways that you them. I mean there are ways that you them. I mean there are ways that you could make that happen, but like I could make that happen, but like I could make that happen, but like I I don't it puts a small wrinkle in the I don't it puts a small wrinkle in the I don't it puts a small wrinkle in the state's case. state's case. state's case. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And this is definitely a win for the >> And this is definitely a win for the >> And this is definitely a win for the defense. [music] And they use this to defense. [music] And they use this to defense. [music] And they use this to argue that these things and the control argue that these things and the control argue that these things and the control of the situation was squarely in Casey's of the situation was squarely in Casey's of the situation was squarely in Casey's hands.

hands. hands. They're basically saying that her lies They're basically saying that her lies They're basically saying that her lies were quintessentially designed to were quintessentially designed to were quintessentially designed to control others. That this was basically control others. That this was basically control others. That this was basically a quasi suicide. Like they agree Casey a quasi suicide. Like they agree Casey a quasi suicide. Like they agree Casey probably didn't want to die, but she had probably didn't want to die, but she had probably didn't want to die, but she had some master plan to try and trick Megan some master plan to try and trick Megan some master plan to try and trick Megan into thinking she wanted to, but her into thinking she wanted to, but her into thinking she wanted to, but her plan just went wrong and she died as a plan just went wrong and she died as a plan just went wrong and she died as a result. result. result. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> But still at her own hand. >> But still at her own hand. >> But still at her own hand. >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, if this was like a if this was like a if this was like a quasi suicide, why didn't Megan tell the quasi suicide, why didn't Megan tell the quasi suicide, why didn't Megan tell the police that from the jump? Like why did police that from the jump? Like why did police that from the jump? Like why did she lie about it? she lie about it? she lie about it? >> They asked, but she said it was because >> They asked, but she said it was because >> They asked, but she said it was because of her confidential bond with Casey. of her confidential bond with Casey. of her confidential bond with Casey. >> Yeah, what a good friend. >> Yeah, what a good friend. >> Yeah, what a good friend. >> Yeah, I don't think being a good friend >> Yeah, I don't think being a good friend >> Yeah, I don't think being a good friend an accusation that this jury would have an accusation that this jury would have an accusation that this jury would have found Megan guilty of. found Megan guilty of. found Megan guilty of. But after almost 8 days of trial and But after almost 8 days of trial and But after almost 8 days of trial and around 10 hours of deliberation, they do around 10 hours of deliberation, they do around 10 hours of deliberation, they do have a ruling on the aggravated murder have a ruling on the aggravated murder have a ruling on the aggravated murder and obstruction of justice charge. and obstruction of justice charge. and obstruction of justice charge. >> Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, >> Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, >> Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, welcome back. welcome back. welcome back. Has the jury reached a verdict? Has the jury reached a verdict? Has the jury reached a verdict? >> Yes, Your Honor. >> Yes, Your Honor. >> Yes, Your Honor. >> And is it a unanimous verdict? >> And is it a unanimous verdict? >> And is it a unanimous verdict? >> Yes, Your >> Yes, Your >> Yes, Your >> Thank you. Will you please hand it to >> Thank you. Will you please hand it to >> Thank you. Will you please hand it to the bailiff?

The clerk will now read The clerk will now read the verdict form. >> State of Utah versus Megan Sunwall. >> State of Utah versus Megan Sunwall. Count one, aggravated murder. We, the Count one, aggravated murder. We, the Count one, aggravated murder. We, the jury, unanimously find the defendant jury, unanimously find the defendant jury, unanimously find the defendant Megan Sunwall is guilty of manslaughter. Count two, obstruction of justice. We, Count two, obstruction of justice. We, the jury, unanimously find the defendant the jury, unanimously find the defendant the jury, unanimously find the defendant Megan Sunwall is guilty of obstruction Megan Sunwall is guilty of obstruction Megan Sunwall is guilty of obstruction of justice. of justice. of justice. Dated the 24th of March, 2026. Signed Dated the 24th of March, 2026. Signed Dated the 24th of March, 2026. Signed the jury foreperson. the jury foreperson. the jury foreperson. >> Wait, how did we get to manslaughter? >> Wait, how did we get to manslaughter? >> Wait, how did we get to manslaughter? >> Yeah, this was a surprise for me, too. >> Yeah, this was a surprise for me, too. >> Yeah, this was a surprise for me, too. Manslaughter, as you know, is like a far Manslaughter, as you know, is like a far Manslaughter, as you know, is like a far less serious charge. It carries less serious charge. It carries less serious charge. It carries sentencing in the ranges of like 1 to 15 sentencing in the ranges of like 1 to 15 sentencing in the ranges of like 1 to 15 years compared to the minimum 25 years years compared to the minimum 25 years years compared to the minimum 25 years to life for aggravated murder. to life for aggravated murder. to life for aggravated murder. >> And >> And >> And the jury can just downgrade the charges? the jury can just downgrade the charges? the jury can just downgrade the charges? >> Pretty much. So, juries are actually >> Pretty much. So, juries are actually >> Pretty much. So, juries are actually given what are called lesser [music] given what are called lesser [music] given what are called lesser [music] included offenses. Basically, it's like included offenses. Basically, it's like included offenses. Basically, it's like a ladder and at the top is the most a ladder and at the top is the most a ladder and at the top is the most serious charge, so aggravated murder. serious charge, so aggravated murder. serious charge, so aggravated murder. Below it are lesser versions of that Below it are lesser versions of that Below it are lesser versions of that same crime. Murder, manslaughter. same crime. Murder, manslaughter. same crime. Murder, manslaughter. [music] [music] [music] And so, they're instructed to like start And so, they're instructed to like start And so, they're instructed to like start at the top and ask like did the at the top and ask like did the at the top and ask like did the prosecution prove this, [music] every prosecution prove this, [music] every prosecution prove this, [music] every single element of this beyond a single element of this beyond a single element of this beyond a reasonable doubt? If the answer is no, reasonable doubt? If the answer is no, reasonable doubt? If the answer is no, then they like move down the ladder.

then they like move down the ladder. then they like move down the ladder. >> Until they like land on yes or not >> Until they like land on yes or not >> Until they like land on yes or not guilty. guilty. guilty. >> The higher charge requires the jury to >> The higher charge requires the jury to >> The higher charge requires the jury to believe Megan intentionally and believe Megan intentionally and believe Megan intentionally and knowingly caused Kasey's [music] death. knowingly caused Kasey's [music] death. knowingly caused Kasey's [music] death. If they have any doubt about intent or If they have any doubt about intent or If they have any doubt about intent or planning, they can downgrade the charge. planning, they can downgrade the charge. planning, they can downgrade the charge. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> So, manslaughter means that the jury >> So, manslaughter means that the jury >> So, manslaughter means that the jury believed Megan caused Casey's death believed Megan caused Casey's death believed Megan caused Casey's death recklessly, but that they might have recklessly, but that they might have recklessly, but that they might have questioned [music] whether she was questioned [music] whether she was questioned [music] whether she was actually actually actually the one with the syringe in her hand. the one with the syringe in her hand. the one with the syringe in her hand. >> And did her parents ever face any kind >> And did her parents ever face any kind >> And did her parents ever face any kind of charges in relation to any of this? of charges in relation to any of this? of charges in relation to any of this? Since they were like Since they were like Since they were like >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> in the room? >> in the room? >> in the room? >> but I don't believe they had any clue >> but I don't believe they had any clue >> but I don't believe they had any clue what was going on. They just like showed what was going on. They just like showed what was going on. They just like showed up to be with Casey at the end of her up to be with Casey at the end of her up to be with Casey at the end of her life. So, life. So, life. So, >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> they were never charged with anything, >> they were never charged with anything, >> they were never charged with anything, and the only role that they played in and the only role that they played in and the only role that they played in this whole trial were as witnesses. this whole trial were as witnesses. this whole trial were as witnesses. [music] [music] [music] On May 4th, 2026, a judge sentenced On May 4th, 2026, a judge sentenced On May 4th, 2026, a judge sentenced Megan to 1 to 15 years for manslaughter Megan to 1 to 15 years for manslaughter Megan to 1 to 15 years for manslaughter and 0 to 5 years for obstruction to be and 0 to 5 years for obstruction to be and 0 to 5 years for obstruction to be served [music] concurrently. Megan also served [music] concurrently. Megan also served [music] concurrently. Megan also admitted to the court, {quote} "If it admitted to the court, {quote} "If it admitted to the court, {quote} "If it wasn't for my role, Casey likely would wasn't for my role, Casey likely would wasn't for my role, Casey likely would still be alive." {end quote} still be alive." {end quote} still be alive." {end quote} I know today's episode touched on a lot I know today's episode touched on a lot I know today's episode touched on a lot of [music] tough stuff. So, if you or of [music] tough stuff. So, if you or of [music] tough stuff. So, if you or someone you know is in crisis or someone you know is in crisis or someone you know is in crisis or experiencing suicidal thoughts, please experiencing suicidal thoughts, please experiencing suicidal thoughts, please reach out for help by calling or texting reach out for help by calling or texting reach out for help by calling or texting the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988, the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988, the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at 988, where trained counselors are available where trained counselors are available where trained counselors are available 24/7 to provide [music] support.

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