What Did the Attacker Leave Behind in Bill and Peggy Stephenson’s Home?

Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. >> And I'm Brett. >> And I'm Brett. >> And I'm Brett. >> And the story I have for you today is a >> And the story I have for you today is a >> And the story I have for you today is a case that haunts everyone who touches case that haunts everyone who touches case that haunts everyone who touches it. The kind of case that most it. The kind of case that most it. The kind of case that most detectives only ever see once in their detectives only ever see once in their detectives only ever see once in their career. It's become local lore around career. It's become local lore around career. It's become local lore around Boone County, Kentucky. Once word leaked Boone County, Kentucky. Once word leaked Boone County, Kentucky. Once word leaked that there could be ritualistic elements that there could be ritualistic elements that there could be ritualistic elements to the murder of a retired couple in to the murder of a retired couple in to the murder of a retired couple in their home, you can just imagine the their home, you can just imagine the their home, you can just imagine the rumors that spread. even more so in the rumors that spread. even more so in the rumors that spread. even more so in the void of information left by [music] void of information left by [music] void of information left by [music] police. They have been incredibly tight police. They have been incredibly tight police. They have been incredibly tight with the details about this case. But with the details about this case. But with the details about this case. But today, [music] today, [music] today, [music] for the first time, they're sharing some for the first time, they're sharing some for the first time, they're sharing some never-before-released case information never-before-released case information never-before-released case information with us, including the crime scene with us, including the crime scene with us, including the crime scene evidence that has recently led them to a evidence that has recently led them to a evidence that has recently led them to a man out west. And now, investigators man out west. And now, investigators man out west. And now, investigators believe that they may finally be closer believe that they may finally be closer believe that they may finally be closer than ever to solving the murder of Bill than ever to solving the murder of Bill than ever to solving the murder of Bill and Peggy Stevenson.

May 29th, 2011 is a hot Sunday [music] May 29th, 2011 is a hot Sunday [music] in Florence, Kentucky. That's also in Florence, Kentucky. That's also in Florence, Kentucky. That's also Memorial Day weekend. Many people have Memorial Day weekend. Many people have Memorial Day weekend. Many people have the next day off, so their Sunday the next day off, so their Sunday the next day off, so their Sunday routines [music] are changing a bit. routines [music] are changing a bit. routines [music] are changing a bit. Family gettogethers, a day at the lake, Family gettogethers, a day at the lake, Family gettogethers, a day at the lake, maybe a road trip to get out of town. maybe a road trip to get out of town. maybe a road trip to get out of town. But not for Beth [music] Victor. Because But not for Beth [music] Victor. Because But not for Beth [music] Victor. Because even though she plans to take her even though she plans to take her even though she plans to take her daughter to do some shopping to daughter to do some shopping to daughter to do some shopping to celebrate her graduation, they're still celebrate her graduation, they're still celebrate her graduation, they're still going to church first. [music] Sunday going to church first. [music] Sunday going to church first. [music] Sunday always means church for their family. always means church for their family. always means church for their family. That was ingrained in Beth by her own That was ingrained in Beth by her own That was ingrained in Beth by her own parents, Bill and Peggy Stevenson. But parents, Bill and Peggy Stevenson. But parents, Bill and Peggy Stevenson. But when Beth and her family take their when Beth and her family take their when Beth and her family take their [music] seats in the pews, her [music] seats in the pews, her [music] seats in the pews, her 74year-old parents aren't there. And she 74year-old parents aren't there. And she 74year-old parents aren't there. And she knows that something is [music] up knows that something is [music] up knows that something is [music] up immediately. Bill's a deacon and Peggy immediately. Bill's a deacon and Peggy immediately. Bill's a deacon and Peggy plays the organ. They are there every plays the organ. They are there every plays the organ. They are there every single Sunday [music] like clockwork. So single Sunday [music] like clockwork. So single Sunday [music] like clockwork. So when the service starts, it's not just when the service starts, it's not just when the service starts, it's not just Beth who is like looking around trying Beth who is like looking around trying Beth who is like looking around trying to see what's going on. The whole to see what's going on. The whole to see what's going on. The whole congregation notices their absence. And congregation notices their absence. And congregation notices their absence. And I can imagine Beth just like sneaking I can imagine Beth just like sneaking I can imagine Beth just like sneaking glances at the door, expecting them to glances at the door, expecting them to glances at the door, expecting them to sneak in at some point during the sneak in at some point during the sneak in at some point during the sermon, [music] but they never do. And sermon, [music] but they never do. And sermon, [music] but they never do. And after it wraps up, people are coming up after it wraps up, people are coming up after it wraps up, people are coming up to Beth asking if she knows anything.

to Beth asking if she knows anything. to Beth asking if she knows anything. [music] [music] [music] And this is when she learns that it And this is when she learns that it And this is when she learns that it wasn't just this service that was wasn't just this service that was wasn't just this service that was missed. So her dad, Bill, had this missed. So her dad, Bill, had this missed. So her dad, Bill, had this [music] like truck stop ministry where [music] like truck stop ministry where [music] like truck stop ministry where he gave church services inside an old he gave church services inside an old he gave church services inside an old truck trailer earlier in the morning. truck trailer earlier in the morning. truck trailer earlier in the morning. And a few of his church friends And a few of his church friends And a few of his church friends volunteered there as well, and they said volunteered there as well, and they said volunteered there as well, and they said that Bill didn't show up to that either. that Bill didn't show up to that either. that Bill didn't show up to that either. Beth spoke to her parents the day before Beth spoke to her parents the day before Beth spoke to her parents the day before at her daughter's graduation, and they at her daughter's graduation, and they at her daughter's graduation, and they were fine. But clearly something were fine. But clearly something were fine. But clearly something happened between [music] now and then. happened between [music] now and then. happened between [music] now and then. So, she asked her husband, Claude, to So, she asked her husband, Claude, to So, she asked her husband, Claude, to stop by her parents on his way home stop by her parents on his way home stop by her parents on his way home since she had already promised her since she had already promised her since she had already promised her daughter that she was going to take her daughter that she was going to take her daughter that she was going to take her shopping. No problem, right? So, he shopping. No problem, right? So, he shopping. No problem, right? So, he heads over to their condo complex. heads over to their condo complex. heads over to their condo complex. Claude lets himself into the building's Claude lets himself into the building's Claude lets himself into the building's main entrance [music] and makes his way main entrance [music] and makes his way main entrance [music] and makes his way to the front door of their unit on the to the front door of their unit on the to the front door of their unit on the first floor. But when he knocks, no first floor. But when he knocks, no first floor. But when he knocks, no answer. He tries again, still nothing. answer. He tries again, still nothing. answer. He tries again, still nothing. [music] [music] [music] So, he walks around to the back of the So, he walks around to the back of the So, he walks around to the back of the condo building because there is a condo building because there is a condo building because there is a sliding glass door that opens directly sliding glass door that opens directly sliding glass door that opens directly from their unit to the outside. And he from their unit to the outside. And he from their unit to the outside. And he notices [music] that the screen door is notices [music] that the screen door is notices [music] that the screen door is closed, but it looks like the glass door closed, but it looks like the glass door closed, but it looks like the glass door isn't. So, he reaches for the screen isn't. So, he reaches for the screen isn't. So, he reaches for the screen expecting it to be like latched, but expecting it to be like latched, but expecting it to be like latched, but that just slides right open. And there that just slides right open. And there that just slides right open. And there are these [music] moments when life are these [music] moments when life are these [music] moments when life splits into the before and the after.

splits into the before and the after. splits into the before and the after. And that sliding screen door opened up And that sliding screen door opened up And that sliding screen door opened up the world of after for him and their the world of after for him and their the world of after for him and their entire family because what Claude saw entire family because what Claude saw entire family because what Claude saw that day was so brutal that it haunts that day was so brutal that it haunts that day was so brutal that it haunts him in a way he can't even describe. him in a way he can't even describe. him in a way he can't even describe. [music] I mean literally Beth told us [music] I mean literally Beth told us [music] I mean literally Beth told us that even 15 years later he couldn't that even 15 years later he couldn't that even 15 years later he couldn't bring himself to tell us about [music] bring himself to tell us about [music] bring himself to tell us about [music] what he saw. He declined to speak with what he saw. He declined to speak with what he saw. He declined to speak with us for this episode. But we know what he us for this episode. But we know what he us for this episode. But we know what he went through because he would later tell went through because he would later tell went through because he would later tell police after [music] he called them police after [music] he called them police after [music] he called them instantly. And he knew without a doubt instantly. And he knew without a doubt instantly. And he knew without a doubt when he walked into that condo that when he walked into that condo that when he walked into that condo that [music] Bill and Peggy were dead. It was [music] Bill and Peggy were dead. It was [music] Bill and Peggy were dead. It was Detective Koi Cox from the Boone County Detective Koi Cox from the Boone County Detective Koi Cox from the Boone County Sheriff's Office who [music] arrived at Sheriff's Office who [music] arrived at Sheriff's Office who [music] arrived at the Stevenson's condo just before 300 the Stevenson's condo just before 300 the Stevenson's condo just before 300 p.m. that afternoon. And he told us when p.m. that afternoon. And he told us when p.m. that afternoon. And he told us when he walked through that [music] sliding he walked through that [music] sliding he walked through that [music] sliding back door, what he saw was what he calls back door, what he saw was what he calls back door, what he saw was what he calls a 1% kind of crime. the kind of case a 1% kind of crime. the kind of case a 1% kind of crime. the kind of case that you get once in a career, [music] that you get once in a career, [music] that you get once in a career, [music] if you ever get one like this at all. He if you ever get one like this at all. He if you ever get one like this at all. He says, "Bill and Peggy are in [music] two says, "Bill and Peggy are in [music] two says, "Bill and Peggy are in [music] two separate rooms. One is right by the separate rooms. One is right by the separate rooms. One is right by the sliding door, and the other is in a back sliding door, and the other is in a back sliding door, and the other is in a back room of the four-bedroom condo, and room of the four-bedroom condo, and room of the four-bedroom condo, and there are multiple wounds on both there are multiple wounds on both there are multiple wounds on both [music] bodies. So many that the first [music] bodies. So many that the first [music] bodies. So many that the first word that comes to Detective Cox's mind word that comes to Detective Cox's mind word that comes to Detective Cox's mind is overkill." But the part that's really is overkill." But the part that's really is overkill." But the part that's really haunting is that Detective Cox said they haunting is that Detective Cox said they haunting is that Detective Cox said they were posed in strange positions and were posed in strange positions and were posed in strange positions and household [music] objects were arranged household [music] objects were arranged household [music] objects were arranged around them in very specific ways. Like

around them in very specific ways. Like around them in very specific ways. Like how? That's the [music] thing I can't how? That's the [music] thing I can't how? That's the [music] thing I can't tell you because I don't know. Detective tell you because I don't know. Detective tell you because I don't know. Detective Cox couldn't share a lot of details Cox couldn't share a lot of details Cox couldn't share a lot of details [music] about the scene because this is [music] about the scene because this is [music] about the scene because this is still an open case. He wouldn't tell us still an open case. He wouldn't tell us still an open case. He wouldn't tell us how the things were around them or what how the things were around them or what how the things were around them or what pose they were in or anything [music] pose they were in or anything [music] pose they were in or anything [music] about their exact types of wounds, about their exact types of wounds, about their exact types of wounds, though he did note that there was at though he did note that there was at though he did note that there was at least one [music] that was made least one [music] that was made least one [music] that was made post-mortem. post-mortem. post-mortem. But he would talk to us in like a But he would talk to us in like a But he would talk to us in like a broader sense about the other things broader sense about the other things broader sense about the other things that he saw in [music] the condo, like that he saw in [music] the condo, like that he saw in [music] the condo, like the fact that nothing valuable seemed to the fact that nothing valuable seemed to the fact that nothing valuable seemed to be missing. But in [music] every single be missing. But in [music] every single be missing. But in [music] every single room, he says things are off. Like room, he says things are off. Like room, he says things are off. Like household items were moved or changed in household items were moved or changed in household items were moved or changed in strange [music] ways. And like just as strange [music] ways. And like just as strange [music] ways. And like just as like a hypothetical, he compared it to like a hypothetical, he compared it to like a hypothetical, he compared it to like opening the fridge and like finding like opening the fridge and like finding like opening the fridge and like finding a pen among the condiments. a pen among the condiments. a pen among the condiments. >> Stuff just like isn't where it should >> Stuff just like isn't where it should >> Stuff just like isn't where it should be, be, be, >> right? Like in a way that stands out. He >> right? Like in a way that stands out. He >> right? Like in a way that stands out. He also said that some of the items had also said that some of the items had also said that some of the items had markings on [music] them that may have markings on [music] them that may have markings on [music] them that may have been left by the killer and that the been left by the killer and that the been left by the killer and that the items seemed to be connected to specific items seemed to be connected to specific items seemed to be connected to specific [music] family members or friends and [music] family members or friends and [music] family members or friends and that like the way that they were that like the way that they were that like the way that they were arranged seemed like the killer was arranged seemed like the killer was arranged seemed like the killer was indicating who they liked and who they indicating who they liked and who they indicating who they liked and who they didn't like.

didn't like. didn't like. And there [music] is something about all And there [music] is something about all And there [music] is something about all of these markings and items and their of these markings and items and their of these markings and items and their positions that is giving those that are positions that is giving those that are positions that is giving those that are there at the scene this feeling [music] there at the scene this feeling [music] there at the scene this feeling [music] of something ritualistic. of something ritualistic. of something ritualistic. Now whether this was genuinely a ritual Now whether this was genuinely a ritual Now whether this was genuinely a ritual killing or if the purpose of the like killing or if the purpose of the like killing or if the purpose of the like staging and all of that was just to make staging and all of that was just to make staging and all of that was just to make it look like one, [music] they don't it look like one, [music] they don't it look like one, [music] they don't know. But either way, to Detective Cox, know. But either way, to Detective Cox, know. But either way, to Detective Cox, it seems like whoever did this [music] it seems like whoever did this [music] it seems like whoever did this [music] was trying to leave some kind of was trying to leave some kind of was trying to leave some kind of message. And to do that, the killer had message. And to do that, the killer had message. And to do that, the killer had to clearly be in the place [music] for a to clearly be in the place [music] for a to clearly be in the place [music] for a while. Actually, as they process the while. Actually, as they process the while. Actually, as they process the scene further, investigators are able to scene further, investigators are able to scene further, investigators are able to confirm a lot about the timeline. confirm a lot about the timeline. confirm a lot about the timeline. [music] [music] [music] One of the victims, I guess, had a One of the victims, I guess, had a One of the victims, I guess, had a medical device that recorded the exact medical device that recorded the exact medical device that recorded the exact time of death, which Detective Cox told time of death, which Detective Cox told time of death, which Detective Cox told us was sometime in the early hours of us was sometime in the early hours of us was sometime in the early hours of that [music] Sunday morning. Plus, that [music] Sunday morning. Plus, that [music] Sunday morning. Plus, investigators find a quote timed device investigators find a quote timed device investigators find a quote timed device indicating that the killer was there for indicating that the killer was there for indicating that the killer was there for as many as 8 hours or they like left and as many as 8 hours or they like left and as many as 8 hours or they like left and came back again.

came back again. came back again. >> Like some kind of security system like >> Like some kind of security system like >> Like some kind of security system like the time device. This is again, he the time device. This is again, he the time device. This is again, he wouldn't get more specific other than wouldn't get more specific other than wouldn't get more specific other than saying it was a timed [music] device. saying it was a timed [music] device. saying it was a timed [music] device. But Bill and Peggy's daughter Beth did But Bill and Peggy's daughter Beth did But Bill and Peggy's daughter Beth did speak with us and she said that her speak with us and she said that her speak with us and she said that her parents didn't have an alarm system parents didn't have an alarm system parents didn't have an alarm system installed. So like I can answer that installed. So like I can answer that installed. So like I can answer that question. I know it wasn't an alarm question. I know it wasn't an alarm question. I know it wasn't an alarm system. Whatever this was, it confirms system. Whatever this was, it confirms system. Whatever this was, it confirms for police [music] that the killer was for police [music] that the killer was for police [music] that the killer was in that condo for a very long time. And in that condo for a very long time. And in that condo for a very long time. And there's no way the killer was there for there's no way the killer was there for there's no way the killer was there for that long, like 8 hours, and didn't that long, like 8 hours, and didn't that long, like 8 hours, and didn't leave some piece of himself behind. leave some piece of himself behind. leave some piece of himself behind. >> Oh, not a chance. And they do find as >> Oh, not a chance. And they do find as >> Oh, not a chance. And they do find as they're processing like a good amount of they're processing like a good amount of they're processing like a good amount of forensic evidence, [music] actually DNA forensic evidence, [music] actually DNA forensic evidence, [music] actually DNA and a partial print. The question is, and a partial print. The question is, and a partial print. The question is, [music] what belongs to the killer and [music] what belongs to the killer and [music] what belongs to the killer and what did their killer just want [music] what did their killer just want [music] what did their killer just want [music] them to find? Because Detective Cox told them to find? Because Detective Cox told them to find? Because Detective Cox told us that from the very beginning, he us that from the very beginning, he us that from the very beginning, he doesn't think that he walked into doesn't think that he walked into doesn't think that he walked into [music] the original crime scene. He [music] the original crime scene. He [music] the original crime scene. He thinks he walked into the scene that the thinks he walked into the scene that the thinks he walked into the scene that the killer or killers wanted him to find.

killer or killers wanted him to find. killer or killers wanted him to find. So, he's not completely certain that the So, he's not completely certain that the So, he's not completely certain that the evidence wasn't [music] planted by the evidence wasn't [music] planted by the evidence wasn't [music] planted by the killer. Now, he specifically said that killer. Now, he specifically said that killer. Now, he specifically said that the partial print was in a very specific the partial print was in a very specific the partial print was in a very specific place at the crime scene that Detective place at the crime scene that Detective place at the crime scene that Detective Cox told us only the killer or killers Cox told us only the killer or killers Cox told us only the killer or killers could have left it, [music] but it might could have left it, [music] but it might could have left it, [music] but it might not be the print. Like, based on some not be the print. Like, based on some not be the print. Like, based on some carefully worded followup, it seems like carefully worded followup, it seems like carefully worded followup, it seems like maybe this partial print [music] could maybe this partial print [music] could maybe this partial print [music] could have been introduced to the crime scene have been introduced to the crime scene have been introduced to the crime scene somehow, like maybe on some kind of like somehow, like maybe on some kind of like somehow, like maybe on some kind of like item [music] that the killer brought in item [music] that the killer brought in item [music] that the killer brought in or something. I don't know. So, we have or something. I don't know. So, we have or something. I don't know. So, we have evidence and [music] it seems like it evidence and [music] it seems like it evidence and [music] it seems like it should belong to the killer or killers, should belong to the killer or killers, should belong to the killer or killers, but they won't know for sure until they but they won't know for sure until they but they won't know for sure until they can match it to someone, can match it to someone, can match it to someone, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> The DNA is actually good enough for >> The DNA is actually good enough for >> The DNA is actually good enough for Cotis, but they put it in there. No Cotis, but they put it in there. No Cotis, but they put it in there. No hits. Now, the partial isn't completely hits. Now, the partial isn't completely hits. Now, the partial isn't completely enough for Aphus. It's only usable for enough for Aphus. It's only usable for enough for Aphus. It's only usable for direct comparison. But Detective Cox is direct comparison. But Detective Cox is direct comparison. But Detective Cox is not about to just like sit and like hope not about to just like sit and like hope not about to just like sit and like hope this thing or like the killer just like this thing or like the killer just like this thing or like the killer just like comes to him, right? He makes sure that comes to him, right? He makes sure that comes to him, right? He makes sure that they mail out copies of that partial they mail out copies of that partial they mail out copies of that partial print to crime labs in all 50 states print to crime labs in all 50 states print to crime labs in all 50 states [music] and they ask them to compare to [music] and they ask them to compare to [music] and they ask them to compare to their own databases hoping that someone their own databases hoping that someone their own databases hoping that someone somewhere will uncover a match now or in somewhere will uncover a match now or in somewhere will uncover a match now or in the future.

the future. the future. >> As you can imagine, that's going to take >> As you can imagine, that's going to take >> As you can imagine, that's going to take some time and [music] so they had to some time and [music] so they had to some time and [music] so they had to focus on other investigative means. I'm focus on other investigative means. I'm focus on other investigative means. I'm waiting for you to bring up like waiting for you to bring up like waiting for you to bring up like witnesses because someone someone had to witnesses because someone someone had to witnesses because someone someone had to have seen this guy in the complex at have seen this guy in the complex at have seen this guy in the complex at some point during all of this time, some point during all of this time, some point during all of this time, right? right? right? >> Not not really. They canvased the condo >> Not not really. They canvased the condo >> Not not really. They canvased the condo like neighbors or whatever. Like one like neighbors or whatever. Like one like neighbors or whatever. Like one says that they heard a sound that was says that they heard a sound that was says that they heard a sound that was like like a broom hitting the wall and like like a broom hitting the wall and like like a broom hitting the wall and then another reports a car parked then another reports a car parked then another reports a car parked outside the condo around the time of the outside the condo around the time of the outside the condo around the time of the murders and says that they saw the murders and says that they saw the murders and says that they saw the headlights go off. But Cox says that headlights go off. But Cox says that headlights go off. But Cox says that they never found the driver. So, like they never found the driver. So, like they never found the driver. So, like without that, without the license plate, without that, without the license plate, without that, without the license plate, like that lead didn't go anywhere. like that lead didn't go anywhere. like that lead didn't go anywhere. [music] I mean, I personally think that [music] I mean, I personally think that [music] I mean, I personally think that whatever happened to them probably whatever happened to them probably whatever happened to them probably happened quick. I mean, just just happened quick. I mean, just just happened quick. I mean, just just because it was so quiet and like TBD the because it was so quiet and like TBD the because it was so quiet and like TBD the hour, it could have been while all of hour, it could have been while all of hour, it could have been while all of the other neighbors were sleeping, the other neighbors were sleeping, the other neighbors were sleeping, >> then all of that staging stuff, I mean, >> then all of that staging stuff, I mean, >> then all of that staging stuff, I mean, the stuff that really would have taken the stuff that really would have taken the stuff that really would have taken the time that's quiet, that's happening the time that's quiet, that's happening the time that's quiet, that's happening [music] inside, like that's not going to [music] inside, like that's not going to [music] inside, like that's not going to draw a ton of attention. So, with no draw a ton of attention. So, with no draw a ton of attention. So, with no helpful witnesses, Detective Cox looks helpful witnesses, Detective Cox looks helpful witnesses, Detective Cox looks closer [music] closer [music] closer [music] at the most bizarre piece of evidence, at the most bizarre piece of evidence, at the most bizarre piece of evidence, those arranged household [music] those arranged household [music] those arranged household [music] objects. He wants to know if everything objects. He wants to know if everything objects. He wants to know if everything they found at the crime scene actually they found at the crime scene actually they found at the crime scene actually belonged to Bill and Peggy. Is it just belonged to Bill and Peggy. Is it just belonged to Bill and Peggy. Is it just all moved around or did the killer all moved around or did the killer all moved around or did the killer actually bring something and introduce actually bring something and introduce actually bring something and introduce it to the crime scene? [music] it to the crime scene? [music] it to the crime scene? [music] So, Beth told us that they actually So, Beth told us that they actually So, Beth told us that they actually described the objects to her and her described the objects to her and her described the objects to her and her siblings, asking like, "Does this belong siblings, asking like, "Does this belong siblings, asking like, "Does this belong to your parents? have you seen this

to your parents? have you seen this to your parents? have you seen this before? [music] They asked them about before? [music] They asked them about before? [music] They asked them about all kinds of household objects, kitchen all kinds of household objects, kitchen all kinds of household objects, kitchen items especially, like things that would items especially, like things that would items especially, like things that would have been sitting in drawers or have been sitting in drawers or have been sitting in drawers or cabinets. And at one point, she cabinets. And at one point, she cabinets. And at one point, she remembers them asking about [music] a remembers them asking about [music] a remembers them asking about [music] a plastic pitcher, like the kind that you plastic pitcher, like the kind that you plastic pitcher, like the kind that you would make sweet tea in or something would make sweet tea in or something would make sweet tea in or something like that. But here's the problem. Even like that. But here's the problem. Even like that. But here's the problem. Even like the family doesn't always know the like the family doesn't always know the like the family doesn't always know the answer to. answer to. answer to. >> Yeah, I was going to say like I don't >> Yeah, I was going to say like I don't >> Yeah, I was going to say like I don't know everything in my parents house know everything in my parents house know everything in my parents house anymore. Like I there's specific things anymore. Like I there's specific things anymore. Like I there's specific things I can think of I can think of I can think of >> that I know they still have like Yeah. >> that I know they still have like Yeah. >> that I know they still have like Yeah. When I was a kid and I lived in the When I was a kid and I lived in the When I was a kid and I lived in the house, maybe probably I could have told house, maybe probably I could have told house, maybe probably I could have told you every single item, but I have no you every single item, but I have no you every single item, but I have no idea now what my mom and dad have. And idea now what my mom and dad have. And idea now what my mom and dad have. And that is basically what Beth has to tell that is basically what Beth has to tell that is basically what Beth has to tell detectives. detectives. detectives. >> So, another dead end. >> So, another dead end. >> So, another dead end. >> Yeah. And what's more frustrating than >> Yeah. And what's more frustrating than >> Yeah. And what's more frustrating than not being able to tell them what does or not being able to tell them what does or not being able to tell them what does or doesn't belong in the house is that none doesn't belong in the house is that none doesn't belong in the house is that none of Bill and Peggy's family members can of Bill and Peggy's family members can of Bill and Peggy's family members can even suggest [music] a motive for this even suggest [music] a motive for this even suggest [music] a motive for this crime. Everyone police talk to says the crime. Everyone police talk to says the crime. Everyone police talk to says the [music] same thing about them. They're [music] same thing about them. They're [music] same thing about them. They're kind. They're generous. They're active kind. They're generous. They're active kind. They're generous. They're active in their church. And they [music] help in their church. And they [music] help in their church. And they [music] help people. It's kind of as vanilla as it people. It's kind of as vanilla as it people. It's kind of as vanilla as it comes. They're high school sweethearts, comes. They're high school sweethearts, comes. They're high school sweethearts, married for over 50 years. [music] Peggy married for over 50 years. [music] Peggy married for over 50 years. [music] Peggy was like pretty shy, mostly stayed at was like pretty shy, mostly stayed at was like pretty shy, mostly stayed at home. Bill was the social butterfly of home. Bill was the social butterfly of home. Bill was the social butterfly of the two. He's always out and about. But the two. He's always out and about. But the two. He's always out and about. But the two loved each other. There were no the two loved each other. There were no the two loved each other. There were no big money problems that the couple was big money problems that the couple was big money problems that the couple was facing. No like [music] seedy side that facing. No like [music] seedy side that facing. No like [music] seedy side that they kept from their closest friends and they kept from their closest friends and they kept from their closest friends and family. So, if Bill and Peggy have no family. So, if Bill and Peggy have no family. So, if Bill and Peggy have no obvious enemies in their day-to-day obvious enemies in their day-to-day obvious enemies in their day-to-day life, Detective Cox has to look at the

life, Detective Cox has to look at the life, Detective Cox has to look at the part of Bill's life where he constantly part of Bill's life where he constantly part of Bill's life where he constantly was interacting [music] with strangers. was interacting [music] with strangers. was interacting [music] with strangers. And that would be at that truck stop And that would be at that truck stop And that would be at that truck stop ministry I told you about. It's where ministry I told you about. It's where ministry I told you about. It's where Bill spent the majority of his time. Bill spent the majority of his time. Bill spent the majority of his time. It's basically like this chapel inside a It's basically like this chapel inside a It's basically like this chapel inside a trailer, like the kind that would be trailer, like the kind that would be trailer, like the kind that would be hauled by a semitr. Apparently, it still hauled by a semitr. Apparently, it still hauled by a semitr. Apparently, it still had the wheels on it and everything, but had the wheels on it and everything, but had the wheels on it and everything, but the inside were like some pews and a the inside were like some pews and a the inside were like some pews and a piano. And on Sundays, they would open piano. And on Sundays, they would open piano. And on Sundays, they would open the doors and do a service for the the doors and do a service for the the doors and do a service for the truckers there at that local truck stop, truckers there at that local truck stop, truckers there at that local truck stop, like people who were in town. But that's like people who were in town. But that's like people who were in town. But that's the thing, the truckers themselves were the thing, the truckers themselves were the thing, the truckers themselves were not local, right? not local, right? not local, right? >> People come and go constantly. Truckers >> People come and go constantly. Truckers >> People come and go constantly. Truckers from all over the country just making a from all over the country just making a from all over the country just making a pit stop, you know, the day that they pit stop, you know, the day that they pit stop, you know, the day that they would be in Kentucky and then like the would be in Kentucky and then like the would be in Kentucky and then like the next day they would be hundreds of miles next day they would be hundreds of miles next day they would be hundreds of miles away. And that is exactly what has made away. And that is exactly what has made away. And that is exactly what has made tracking down their very first person of tracking down their very first person of tracking down their very first person of interest so difficult. Detectives have a interest so difficult. Detectives have a interest so difficult. Detectives have a [music] face. They have a video, in [music] face. They have a video, in [music] face. They have a video, in fact, of a mystery man who seemed to be fact, of a mystery man who seemed to be fact, of a mystery man who seemed to be looking for Bill outside the chapel just looking for Bill outside the chapel just looking for Bill outside the chapel just 2 days before he and Peggy were found 2 days before he and Peggy were found 2 days before he and Peggy were found dead.

dead. dead. In the parks and forest you love, there In the parks and forest you love, there In the parks and forest you love, there are stories waiting to be told. I'm are stories waiting to be told. I'm are stories waiting to be told. I'm Dillia Deira, the host of Park Dillia Deira, the host of Park Dillia Deira, the host of Park Predators, [music] Predators, [music] Predators, [music] a true crime podcast that reminds you a true crime podcast that reminds you a true crime podcast that reminds you sometimes the most beautiful places hide sometimes the most beautiful places hide sometimes the most beautiful places hide the darkest secrets. Listen now wherever the darkest secrets. Listen now wherever the darkest secrets. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. On Friday, May 27th, witnesses saw a man On Friday, May 27th, witnesses saw a man walk up to the trailer chapel and start walk up to the trailer chapel and start walk up to the trailer chapel and start just banging [music] on the door, just banging [music] on the door, just banging [music] on the door, yelling for Bill. Now, from what they yelling for Bill. Now, from what they yelling for Bill. Now, from what they can gather, Bill was likely on site when can gather, Bill was likely on site when can gather, Bill was likely on site when this happened, but nobody actually saw this happened, but nobody actually saw this happened, but nobody actually saw Bill open the door or interact with this Bill open the door or interact with this Bill open the door or interact with this guy. [music] And there was no security guy. [music] And there was no security guy. [music] And there was no security footage from where this trailer is. But footage from where this trailer is. But footage from where this trailer is. But there is footage from inside the truck there is footage from inside the truck there is footage from inside the truck stop from around [music] stop from around [music] stop from around [music] the same time frame. And Detective Cox the same time frame. And Detective Cox the same time frame. And Detective Cox finds someone on it who matches the finds someone on it who matches the finds someone on it who matches the description that witnesses [music] description that witnesses [music] description that witnesses [music] gave. gave. gave. >> So, no one knew this guy? >> So, no one knew this guy? >> So, no one knew this guy? >> No, no one at the truck stop. And when >> No, no one at the truck stop. And when >> No, no one at the truck stop. And when they show this image to Bill and Peggy's they show this image to Bill and Peggy's they show this image to Bill and Peggy's family, they don't know this guy either, family, they don't know this guy either, family, they don't know this guy either, which means that he is likely a trucker, which means that he is likely a trucker, which means that he is likely a trucker, >> right? And now could be anywhere.

>> right? And now could be anywhere. >> right? And now could be anywhere. >> Anywhere cuz it took them some time to >> Anywhere cuz it took them some time to >> Anywhere cuz it took them some time to find this. So find this. So find this. So >> within 24 hours of collecting [music] >> within 24 hours of collecting [music] >> within 24 hours of collecting [music] this footage, even though it's later, this footage, even though it's later, this footage, even though it's later, the Boone County Sheriff's Office puts the Boone County Sheriff's Office puts the Boone County Sheriff's Office puts out a press release with [music] a still out a press release with [music] a still out a press release with [music] a still image from the video saying that they're image from the video saying that they're image from the video saying that they're looking for this guy and he is a person looking for this guy and he is a person looking for this guy and he is a person of interest. And soon [music] of interest. And soon [music] of interest. And soon [music] the tips start pouring in from obviously the tips start pouring in from obviously the tips start pouring in from obviously all over the country. At one point a man all over the country. At one point a man all over the country. At one point a man in Georgia even comes forward saying in Georgia even comes forward saying in Georgia even comes forward saying that he thinks [music] that he might be that he thinks [music] that he might be that he thinks [music] that he might be the guy in the photo. But when the guy in the photo. But when the guy in the photo. But when investigators check his truck logs, investigators check his truck logs, investigators check his truck logs, there's no way that he could have been there's no way that he could have been there's no way that he could have been in Boone County at the time frame that in Boone County at the time frame that in Boone County at the time frame that they're like looking for. they're like looking for. they're like looking for. >> So he's not their guy. And Detective Cox >> So he's not their guy. And Detective Cox >> So he's not their guy. And Detective Cox ends up traveling to 18 different ends up traveling to 18 different ends up traveling to 18 different [music] states checking tips out related [music] states checking tips out related [music] states checking tips out related to this. He's stopping trucks. He is to this. He's stopping trucks. He is to this. He's stopping trucks. He is tracking people down. He is comparing tracking people down. He is comparing tracking people down. He is comparing names from the chapel log book. And to names from the chapel log book. And to names from the chapel log book. And to this day, that guy has still never been this day, that guy has still never been this day, that guy has still never been >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> identified. >> identified. >> identified. >> Which it's kind of weird to me that he >> Which it's kind of weird to me that he >> Which it's kind of weird to me that he hasn't like come forward on his own.

hasn't like come forward on his own. hasn't like come forward on his own. Like the f like that one guy who was Like the f like that one guy who was Like the f like that one guy who was like, "Hey, like could be me. I don't." like, "Hey, like could be me. I don't." like, "Hey, like could be me. I don't." >> Which is also kind of weird that like >> Which is also kind of weird that like >> Which is also kind of weird that like you like to to be to think it might be you like to to be to think it might be you like to to be to think it might be you and it not be you is like you and it not be you is like you and it not be you is like >> but also if it's if you think it's you >> but also if it's if you think it's you >> but also if it's if you think it's you and you're like, "Hey, I want to make and you're like, "Hey, I want to make and you're like, "Hey, I want to make sure you know this is a dead end." Like sure you know this is a dead end." Like sure you know this is a dead end." Like coming forward right away. makes sense. coming forward right away. makes sense. coming forward right away. makes sense. [music] But but I just keep thinking [music] But but I just keep thinking [music] But but I just keep thinking like maybe cuz there right the the one like maybe cuz there right the the one like maybe cuz there right the the one option is like oh there's something option is like oh there's something option is like oh there's something shady or whatever. But the other option shady or whatever. But the other option shady or whatever. But the other option is like maybe the word just hasn't is like maybe the word just hasn't is like maybe the word just hasn't gotten [music] to him. So like he's gotten [music] to him. So like he's gotten [music] to him. So like he's likely not a local. So like that's a likely not a local. So like that's a likely not a local. So like that's a benefit of a show like ours. Like I know benefit of a show like ours. Like I know benefit of a show like ours. Like I know that we have some longhaul trucker crime that we have some longhaul trucker crime that we have some longhaul trucker crime junkies. We met you on tour. [laughter] junkies. We met you on tour. [laughter] junkies. We met you on tour. [laughter] I need them to [music] I need them to [music] I need them to [music] start spreading the word. I'm actually start spreading the word. I'm actually start spreading the word. I'm actually going to post this guy's picture on our going to post this guy's picture on our going to post this guy's picture on our blog post. I'm going to put it up on blog post. I'm going to put it up on blog post. I'm going to put it up on social media so it's like good and social media so it's like good and social media so it's like good and sharable. sharable. sharable. >> Yeah. And like I used to work in >> Yeah. And like I used to work in >> Yeah. And like I used to work in transportation. I used to work with transportation. I used to work with transportation. I used to work with truckers. Like they are a network of truckers. Like they are a network of truckers. Like they are a network of resources and information. They are so resources and information. They are so resources and information. They are so intertwined and like keep each other intertwined and like keep each other intertwined and like keep each other informed about things. Like this could informed about things. Like this could informed about things. Like this could be huge. be huge. be huge. >> Yeah. So it would be great if they could >> Yeah. So it would be great if they could >> Yeah. So it would be great if they could help us find this guy. help us find this guy. help us find this guy. >> But here's the truth of it though. He >> But here's the truth of it though. He >> But here's the truth of it though. He might not have any relevant information might not have any relevant information might not have any relevant information about this [music] crime even because it about this [music] crime even because it about this [music] crime even because it being a random trucker would explain why being a random trucker would explain why being a random trucker would explain why we can't find the killer, we can't find the killer, we can't find the killer, >> but it explains almost nothing else.

>> but it explains almost nothing else. >> but it explains almost nothing else. Like Detective Cox says that he just Like Detective Cox says that he just Like Detective Cox says that he just cannot square like this idea that like a cannot square like this idea that like a cannot square like this idea that like a random killer would leave this [music] random killer would leave this [music] random killer would leave this [music] crime scene. the arrangement of the crime scene. the arrangement of the crime scene. the arrangement of the items, the comfort that the killer had items, the comfort that the killer had items, the comfort that the killer had [music] spending time in the condo. To [music] spending time in the condo. To [music] spending time in the condo. To him, it feels personal. him, it feels personal. him, it feels personal. >> And there is another problem with the >> And there is another problem with the >> And there is another problem with the trucker [music] theory. Peggy didn't trucker [music] theory. Peggy didn't trucker [music] theory. Peggy didn't really have much to do with the chapel really have much to do with the chapel really have much to do with the chapel ministry. It was like Bill's thing. So, ministry. It was like Bill's thing. So, ministry. It was like Bill's thing. So, if someone there had it out for him, you if someone there had it out for him, you if someone there had it out for him, you would think it would be about him and would think it would be about him and would think it would be about him and not Peggy. And if that was the case, not Peggy. And if that was the case, not Peggy. And if that was the case, Detective Cox said that there would be Detective Cox said that there would be Detective Cox said that there would be like way less risky ways to [music] just like way less risky ways to [music] just like way less risky ways to [music] just get Bill. I mean, the truck stop chapel get Bill. I mean, the truck stop chapel get Bill. I mean, the truck stop chapel itself was pretty private. There was itself was pretty private. There was itself was pretty private. There was like or or like at least when no service like or or like at least when no service like or or like at least when no service was going on. Right. was going on. Right. was going on. Right. >> Right. I mean, maybe [music] like the >> Right. I mean, maybe [music] like the >> Right. I mean, maybe [music] like the killer wouldn't have enough time to do killer wouldn't have enough time to do killer wouldn't have enough time to do what he wanted to do like to spend with what he wanted to do like to spend with what he wanted to do like to spend with him though. him though. him though. >> I still just don't understand why you >> I still just don't understand why you >> I still just don't understand why you bring Peggy into [music] it at all bring Peggy into [music] it at all bring Peggy into [music] it at all though. I mean, I guess unless you it though. I mean, I guess unless you it though. I mean, I guess unless you it was all about the time and you knew that was all about the time and you knew that was all about the time and you knew that she would notice if he didn't come home she would notice if he didn't come home she would notice if he didn't come home or whatever, but like on the flip side or whatever, but like on the flip side or whatever, but like on the flip side of that, if this were a stranger who was of that, if this were a stranger who was of that, if this were a stranger who was targeting Peggy for some reason.

targeting Peggy for some reason. targeting Peggy for some reason. >> Oh, like the other way around. >> Oh, like the other way around. >> Oh, like the other way around. >> Other way around, I think about like >> Other way around, I think about like >> Other way around, I think about like she's in the home all the time alone she's in the home all the time alone she's in the home all the time alone without Bill while he's out doing his without Bill while he's out doing his without Bill while he's out doing his mission work. mission work. mission work. >> So, on that side, like why bring Bill >> So, on that side, like why bring Bill >> So, on that side, like why bring Bill into it? Which is why Detective Cox into it? Which is why Detective Cox into it? Which is why Detective Cox keeps coming back to this idea that he keeps coming back to this idea that he keeps coming back to this idea that he thinks whoever did this wanted both Bill thinks whoever did this wanted both Bill thinks whoever did this wanted both Bill and Peggy dead, [music] which brings him and Peggy dead, [music] which brings him and Peggy dead, [music] which brings him back to the people closest to them, back to the people closest to them, back to the people closest to them, family. And I know I told you that early family. And I know I told you that early family. And I know I told you that early on the family couldn't think of anyone on the family couldn't think of anyone on the family couldn't think of anyone who would want to kill them. That is who would want to kill them. That is who would want to kill them. That is true. But grasping at straws like if true. But grasping at straws like if true. But grasping at straws like if they had to think of somebody, they did they had to think of somebody, they did they had to think of somebody, they did throw out one name. Bill and Peggy's throw out one name. Bill and Peggy's throw out one name. Bill and Peggy's nephew, [music] nephew, [music] nephew, [music] Charles Stevenson, who goes by Stevie. Charles Stevenson, who goes by Stevie. Charles Stevenson, who goes by Stevie. >> And why would they pull out that name? >> And why would they pull out that name? >> And why would they pull out that name? >> If anything, they say it has to [music] >> If anything, they say it has to [music] >> If anything, they say it has to [music] do with money. So like 5 years before do with money. So like 5 years before do with money. So like 5 years before this in 2006, Bill's brother passed away this in 2006, Bill's brother passed away this in 2006, Bill's brother passed away and Bill was the executive [music] of and Bill was the executive [music] of and Bill was the executive [music] of the will. Stevie got nothing. He wasn't the will. Stevie got nothing. He wasn't the will. Stevie got nothing. He wasn't even named in the will, but like also it even named in the will, but like also it even named in the will, but like also it wasn't his dad that died. It was his wasn't his dad that died. It was his wasn't his dad that died. It was his uncle. And it wasn't like a huge uncle. And it wasn't like a huge uncle. And it wasn't like a huge inheritance or [music] anything. But inheritance or [music] anything. But inheritance or [music] anything. But again, we're just like grasping here.

again, we're just like grasping here. again, we're just like grasping here. They're like maybe Stevie thought that They're like maybe Stevie thought that They're like maybe Stevie thought that Bill and Peggy had cut him out of some Bill and Peggy had cut him out of some Bill and Peggy had cut him out of some money that he felt he like was owed or money that he felt he like was owed or money that he felt he like was owed or like money that he really needed. like money that he really needed. like money that he really needed. Because what was fact is that Bill and Because what was fact is that Bill and Because what was fact is that Bill and Peggy's kids, [music] they have three Peggy's kids, [music] they have three Peggy's kids, [music] they have three including Beth, say that Stevie had some including Beth, say that Stevie had some including Beth, say that Stevie had some problems with money. like he'd borrowed problems with money. like he'd borrowed problems with money. like he'd borrowed money from family members in the [music] money from family members in the [music] money from family members in the [music] past, past, past, >> but in this scenario, he like his uncle >> but in this scenario, he like his uncle >> but in this scenario, he like his uncle dies, he waits five years, and then dies, he waits five years, and then dies, he waits five years, and then kills Bill and Peggy. kills Bill and Peggy. kills Bill and Peggy. >> Like I said, we're grasping here. It is >> Like I said, we're grasping here. It is >> Like I said, we're grasping here. It is it is a stretch, but early in the it is a stretch, but early in the it is a stretch, but early in the investigation, Detective Cox was open to investigation, Detective Cox was open to investigation, Detective Cox was open to [music] anything. Like, you never know [music] anything. Like, you never know [music] anything. Like, you never know what's going to be important later. So, what's going to be important later. So, what's going to be important later. So, he had interviewed Stevie [music] and he had interviewed Stevie [music] and he had interviewed Stevie [music] and he'd asked him about his money issues. he'd asked him about his money issues. he'd asked him about his money issues. And Stevie admitted that he owed some And Stevie admitted that he owed some And Stevie admitted that he owed some people money, but he was insistent people money, but he was insistent people money, but he was insistent [music] that he didn't kill his aunt and [music] that he didn't kill his aunt and [music] that he didn't kill his aunt and uncle. He was cooperative. He submitted uncle. He was cooperative. He submitted uncle. He was cooperative. He submitted his fingerprints [music] and his DNA his fingerprints [music] and his DNA his fingerprints [music] and his DNA voluntarily, and when they were compared voluntarily, and when they were compared voluntarily, and when they were compared against the ones found at the crime against the ones found at the crime against the ones found at the crime scene, no match to either thing. But scene, no match to either thing. But scene, no match to either thing. But remember, [music] Cox is not convinced remember, [music] Cox is not convinced remember, [music] Cox is not convinced that he can totally trust the forensics that he can totally trust the forensics that he can totally trust the forensics that they found at the scene. If there that they found at the scene. If there that they found at the scene. If there is a world where they were planted by is a world where they were planted by is a world where they were planted by the killer, then you can't really rule the killer, then you can't really rule the killer, then you can't really rule anyone [music] out completely. So, anyone [music] out completely. So, anyone [music] out completely. So, Detective Cox doesn't fully close the Detective Cox doesn't fully close the Detective Cox doesn't fully close the door on [music] Stevie. Not that he's door on [music] Stevie. Not that he's door on [music] Stevie. Not that he's actively pursuing him or anything, just actively pursuing him or anything, just actively pursuing him or anything, just like if something comes up that gives like if something comes up that gives like if something comes up that gives him a reason to take another look at the him a reason to take another look at the him a reason to take another look at the guy, he [music] would. And another guy, he [music] would. And another guy, he [music] would. And another reason does come up in April of 2012.

reason does come up in April of 2012. reason does come up in April of 2012. That's when Detective Cox gets this call That's when Detective Cox gets this call That's when Detective Cox gets this call out of the blue from the [music] Indiana out of the blue from the [music] Indiana out of the blue from the [music] Indiana State Police. They're investigating a State Police. They're investigating a State Police. They're investigating a murder and their prime suspect only murder and their prime suspect only murder and their prime suspect only wants to talk to Detective Cox. It's wants to talk to Detective Cox. It's wants to talk to Detective Cox. It's Stevie. He's being looked at in Stevie. He's being looked at in Stevie. He's being looked at in connection to the killing of a connection to the killing of a connection to the killing of a 67year-old woman named Lee Jennings. 67year-old woman named Lee Jennings. 67year-old woman named Lee Jennings. Now, Lee was found beaten to death at Now, Lee was found beaten to death at Now, Lee was found beaten to death at her house in Aurora, Indiana, which is her house in Aurora, Indiana, which is her house in Aurora, Indiana, which is only like half hour away from Florence, only like half hour away from Florence, only like half hour away from Florence, where Bill and Peggy lived. And the where Bill and Peggy lived. And the where Bill and Peggy lived. And the murder weapons were a pepper grinder and murder weapons were a pepper grinder and murder weapons were a pepper grinder and a [music] skillet, a [music] skillet, a [music] skillet, >> which are kitchen items. >> which are kitchen items. >> which are kitchen items. >> Indiana police are looking at Stevie >> Indiana police are looking at Stevie >> Indiana police are looking at Stevie because he was dating Lee and had been because he was dating Lee and had been because he was dating Lee and had been borrowing money from her. [music] But borrowing money from her. [music] But borrowing money from her. [music] But this time, she said no. And the next this time, she said no. And the next this time, she said no. And the next thing you know, someone kills her and thing you know, someone kills her and thing you know, someone kills her and steals $1,000 from her house. What's so steals $1,000 from her house. What's so steals $1,000 from her house. What's so weird is when Stevie is in custody, he weird is when Stevie is in custody, he weird is when Stevie is in custody, he will not talk about Lee. [music] But he will not talk about Lee. [music] But he will not talk about Lee. [music] But he tells the Indiana State Police that he tells the Indiana State Police that he tells the Indiana State Police that he will talk to Cox about Bill and Peggy. will talk to Cox about Bill and Peggy. will talk to Cox about Bill and Peggy. >> Like [music] he wants a deal.

>> Like [music] he wants a deal. >> Like [music] he wants a deal. >> No, this isn't about a deal. And this is >> No, this isn't about a deal. And this is >> No, this isn't about a deal. And this is what is so weird to me. Like he he just what is so weird to me. Like he he just what is so weird to me. Like he he just said, "I'm not going to talk about this said, "I'm not going to talk about this said, "I'm not going to talk about this thing, but I'll talk about this other thing, but I'll talk about this other thing, but I'll talk about this other thing all day." And when Cox goes to thing all day." And when Cox goes to thing all day." And when Cox goes to him, [music] it seems like he gets no him, [music] it seems like he gets no him, [music] it seems like he gets no more information from him than he did more information from him than he did more information from him than he did when they first spoke. He's basically when they first spoke. He's basically when they first spoke. He's basically like, "I had nothing to do with my aunt like, "I had nothing to do with my aunt like, "I had nothing to do with my aunt and uncle's murders. I'll answer [music] and uncle's murders. I'll answer [music] and uncle's murders. I'll answer [music] any questions you have." But his answers any questions you have." But his answers any questions you have." But his answers don't like help their investigation. He don't like help their investigation. He don't like help their investigation. He has the same alibi he always did, which has the same alibi he always did, which has the same alibi he always did, which by the way was never a great one. Stevie by the way was never a great one. Stevie by the way was never a great one. Stevie says that he was home asleep [music] in says that he was home asleep [music] in says that he was home asleep [music] in bed at the time that Bill and Peggy were bed at the time that Bill and Peggy were bed at the time that Bill and Peggy were killed. And investigators are able to killed. And investigators are able to killed. And investigators are able to find people who saw him earlier in the find people who saw him earlier in the find people who saw him earlier in the [music] night, people who saw him the [music] night, people who saw him the [music] night, people who saw him the next morning, but during the actual next morning, but during the actual next morning, but during the actual window when Bill and Peggy were window when Bill and Peggy were window when Bill and Peggy were murdered. Stevie is basically his own murdered. Stevie is basically his own murdered. Stevie is basically his own alibi. So, [music] they don't get any alibi. So, [music] they don't get any alibi. So, [music] they don't get any new info, but they do get new DNA and new info, but they do get new DNA and new info, but they do get new DNA and fingerprint [music] samples. Not because fingerprint [music] samples. Not because fingerprint [music] samples. Not because there was anything wrong with the there was anything wrong with the there was anything wrong with the original like 2011 sample he gave. Back original like 2011 sample he gave. Back original like 2011 sample he gave. Back then, Stevie gave like a standard, I then, Stevie gave like a standard, I then, Stevie gave like a standard, I guess, 10 [music] fingerprint thing or guess, 10 [music] fingerprint thing or guess, 10 [music] fingerprint thing or whatever, and investigators wanted palm whatever, and investigators wanted palm whatever, and investigators wanted palm prints and like other parts of the hand, prints and like other parts of the hand, prints and like other parts of the hand, too. [music] too. [music] too. [music] Still, they just want to be safe. They Still, they just want to be safe. They Still, they just want to be safe. They run it all again against the Stevenson run it all again against the Stevenson run it all again against the Stevenson crime scene just to be extra extra sure crime scene just to be extra extra sure crime scene just to be extra extra sure because like what are the odds that one because like what are the odds that one because like what are the odds that one person that people name ends up getting person that people name ends up getting person that people name ends up getting charged with murder but like not that charged with murder but like not that charged with murder but like not that murder but this one like but still it murder but this one like but still it murder but this one like but still it doesn't matter. Stevie still [music] doesn't matter. Stevie still [music] doesn't matter. Stevie still [music] doesn't match in the Stevenson case that doesn't match in the Stevenson case that doesn't match in the Stevenson case that is. But in May 2012, Stevie is charged

is. But in May 2012, Stevie is charged is. But in May 2012, Stevie is charged with Lee Jennings murder and eventually with Lee Jennings murder and eventually with Lee Jennings murder and eventually he is convicted of that and sentenced to he is convicted of that and sentenced to he is convicted of that and sentenced to [music] life in prison. And while Stevie [music] life in prison. And while Stevie [music] life in prison. And while Stevie is behind bars, Detective Cox keeps is behind bars, Detective Cox keeps is behind bars, Detective Cox keeps interviewing him, pressing on his interviewing him, pressing on his interviewing him, pressing on his supposed alibi, [music] but he's not supposed alibi, [music] but he's not supposed alibi, [music] but he's not getting anywhere. So Detective Cox goes getting anywhere. So Detective Cox goes getting anywhere. So Detective Cox goes back to the drawing board. When a case back to the drawing board. When a case back to the drawing board. When a case like this goes unsolved [music] for like this goes unsolved [music] for like this goes unsolved [music] for weeks and then months every time a weeks and then months every time a weeks and then months every time a promising lead goes nowhere, I think promising lead goes nowhere, I think promising lead goes nowhere, I think it's easy to question yourself a little it's easy to question yourself a little it's easy to question yourself a little bit, right? Like, did I make the wrong bit, right? Like, did I make the wrong bit, right? Like, did I make the wrong assumption? It seems like they knew assumption? It seems like they knew assumption? It seems like they knew their killer, but like, okay, maybe they their killer, but like, okay, maybe they their killer, but like, okay, maybe they didn't. This seemed like a staged crime didn't. This seemed like a staged crime didn't. This seemed like a staged crime scene, but maybe it wasn't. [music] No scene, but maybe it wasn't. [music] No scene, but maybe it wasn't. [music] No one has like ritual experts just hanging one has like ritual experts just hanging one has like ritual experts just hanging around by the office water cooler to around by the office water cooler to around by the office water cooler to ask. So for the [music] first year, ask. So for the [music] first year, ask. So for the [music] first year, nothing was off the table. Ritual nothing was off the table. Ritual nothing was off the table. Ritual killing included stage to look like killing included stage to look like killing included stage to look like ritual killing. Like they were open to ritual killing. Like they were open to ritual killing. Like they were open to any [music] possibility. But finally in any [music] possibility. But finally in any [music] possibility. But finally in the fall of 2012, Detective Cox decides the fall of 2012, Detective Cox decides the fall of 2012, Detective Cox decides that he needs some [music] fresh eyes on that he needs some [music] fresh eyes on that he needs some [music] fresh eyes on this. People who have seen the 1% crime this. People who have seen the 1% crime this. People who have seen the 1% crime scene over and over again. Someone who scene over and over again. Someone who scene over and over again. Someone who can like cut through the noise. So he can like cut through the noise. So he can like cut through the noise. So he calls in the Voc Society, which is this, calls in the Voc Society, which is this, calls in the Voc Society, which is this, you know, professional club of sorts you know, professional club of sorts you know, professional club of sorts made up of former like [music] law made up of former like [music] law made up of former like [music] law enforcement, forensic specialists, and enforcement, forensic specialists, and enforcement, forensic specialists, and they volunteer to help with unsolved they volunteer to help with unsolved they volunteer to help with unsolved cases. And they're pretty selective cases. And they're pretty selective cases. And they're pretty selective about the cases that they take on.

about the cases that they take on. about the cases that they take on. [music] [music] [music] But when they hear about the Stevenson's But when they hear about the Stevenson's But when they hear about the Stevenson's case, they're all in. So Detective Cox case, they're all in. So Detective Cox case, they're all in. So Detective Cox goes to their headquarters in goes to their headquarters in goes to their headquarters in Philadelphia, which is like this wooden Philadelphia, which is like this wooden Philadelphia, which is like this wooden paneled room in this crazy Renaissance paneled room in this crazy Renaissance paneled room in this crazy Renaissance building like right out of Sherlock building like right out of Sherlock building like right out of Sherlock Holmes. [music] And there's about a Holmes. [music] And there's about a Holmes. [music] And there's about a hundred people in the room who Detective hundred people in the room who Detective hundred people in the room who Detective Cox and his partner have to present to. Cox and his partner have to present to. Cox and his partner have to present to. And they don't just give them the glossy And they don't just give them the glossy And they don't just give them the glossy overview that we got. They share all of overview that we got. They share all of overview that we got. They share all of the weird and perplexing details of the the weird and perplexing details of the the weird and perplexing details of the crime scene. And the Vox Society comes crime scene. And the Vox Society comes crime scene. And the Vox Society comes back with a very strong [music] read. back with a very strong [music] read. back with a very strong [music] read. They say that this was not a genuine They say that this was not a genuine They say that this was not a genuine ritual killing. The ritual elements at ritual killing. The ritual elements at ritual killing. The ritual elements at the crime scene were probably staged. the crime scene were probably staged. the crime scene were probably staged. And over the years, as Detective Cox has And over the years, as Detective Cox has And over the years, as Detective Cox has consulted with other agencies like consulted with other agencies like consulted with other agencies like [music] the FBI's behavioral analysis [music] the FBI's behavioral analysis [music] the FBI's behavioral analysis unit, he continues to hear the same unit, he continues to hear the same unit, he continues to hear the same thing. Listen, we know so little about thing. Listen, we know so little about thing. Listen, we know so little about this crime scene that I had to know what this crime scene that I had to know what this crime scene that I had to know what would lead an expert to even a would lead an expert to even a would lead an expert to even a conclusion like that. conclusion like that. conclusion like that. >> How do we even get there >> How do we even get there >> How do we even get there >> in general? Right. So, we talked to Dr.

>> in general? Right. So, we talked to Dr. >> in general? Right. So, we talked to Dr. Don Pearlmutter, who is a member of Voc Don Pearlmutter, who is a member of Voc Don Pearlmutter, who is a member of Voc is an expert in ritual violence and is an expert in ritual violence and is an expert in ritual violence and symbolic crime scenes. Now, she can't symbolic crime scenes. Now, she can't symbolic crime scenes. Now, she can't say whether she actually consulted on say whether she actually consulted on say whether she actually consulted on the Stevenson's case or not, but she did the Stevenson's case or not, but she did the Stevenson's case or not, but she did tell us a little bit about how she looks tell us a little bit about how she looks tell us a little bit about how she looks at any crime scene that might be at any crime scene that might be at any crime scene that might be ritualistic. What she's looking for ritualistic. What she's looking for ritualistic. What she's looking for mostly, she says, is consistency. mostly, she says, is consistency. mostly, she says, is consistency. [music] Like, do the symbols make sense [music] Like, do the symbols make sense [music] Like, do the symbols make sense together? Do the objects match [music] together? Do the objects match [music] together? Do the objects match [music] the body positioning? Does the location the body positioning? Does the location the body positioning? Does the location matter? Does the timing matter? Is there matter? Does the timing matter? Is there matter? Does the timing matter? Is there a coherent pattern? So there must not a coherent pattern? So there must not a coherent pattern? So there must not have been those elements for everyone to have been those elements for everyone to have been those elements for everyone to have come to the same conclusion. have come to the same conclusion. have come to the same conclusion. [music] [music] [music] But interestingly, she did share But interestingly, she did share But interestingly, she did share something about what is publicly known something about what is publicly known something about what is publicly known about the Stevenson's case already. She about the Stevenson's case already. She about the Stevenson's case already. She said that when you're talking about a said that when you're talking about a said that when you're talking about a sophisticated double homicide [music] sophisticated double homicide [music] sophisticated double homicide [music] with a lot of positioning, arranging, with a lot of positioning, arranging, with a lot of positioning, arranging, time spent at the scene, that goes time spent at the scene, that goes time spent at the scene, that goes beyond what someone needed to commit the beyond what someone needed to commit the beyond what someone needed to commit the crime. [music] And in her experience, crime. [music] And in her experience, crime. [music] And in her experience, that means it's usually not someone's that means it's usually not someone's that means it's usually not someone's first time.

first time. first time. >> And this [music] seems specific enough >> And this [music] seems specific enough >> And this [music] seems specific enough that if there were other crime scenes that if there were other crime scenes that if there were other crime scenes like these, like investigators [music] like these, like investigators [music] like these, like investigators [music] would know about it right now. Like would know about it right now. Like would know about it right now. Like >> that's what's it would be evident. >> that's what's it would be evident. >> that's what's it would be evident. >> That's so wild to me because this case, >> That's so wild to me because this case, >> That's so wild to me because this case, like the details have been entered into like the details have been entered into like the details have been entered into VCAP. Tipsters have tried making VCAP. Tipsters have tried making VCAP. Tipsters have tried making connections over the years. I mean, like connections over the years. I mean, like connections over the years. I mean, like to fast forward in our story a little to fast forward in our story a little to fast forward in our story a little bit, the first time I heard about the bit, the first time I heard about the bit, the first time I heard about the Stevenson's case was after the Deli Stevenson's case was after the Deli Stevenson's case was after the Deli murders [music] murders [music] murders [music] >> cuz there were rumors about ritualistic >> cuz there were rumors about ritualistic >> cuz there were rumors about ritualistic like how the scene was set up there, like how the scene was set up there, like how the scene was set up there, >> right? And so like by then there are >> right? And so like by then there are >> right? And so like by then there are like like certain things had come out like like certain things had come out like like certain things had come out about the Stevenson's case that like about the Stevenson's case that like about the Stevenson's case that like again this idea of ritualistic, the again this idea of ritualistic, the again this idea of ritualistic, the rumors are running wild. Deli had rumors rumors are running wild. Deli had rumors rumors are running wild. Deli had rumors like that too. So people started sending like that too. So people started sending like that too. So people started sending detective Cox tips. He checked those out detective Cox tips. He checked those out detective Cox tips. He checked those out in that case and others, but like it was in that case and others, but like it was in that case and others, but like it was a bust, a bust, a bust, >> which [music] really proves that this is >> which [music] really proves that this is >> which [music] really proves that this is like a 1% case like a 1% case like a 1% case >> and nothing is making sense, >> and nothing is making sense, >> and nothing is making sense, >> right? Like this doesn't seem like it's >> right? Like this doesn't seem like it's >> right? Like this doesn't seem like it's the killer's first time, but also the killer's first time, but also the killer's first time, but also [music] nothing else looks like this [music] nothing else looks like this [music] nothing else looks like this >> and and there's overkill and seemingly a >> and and there's overkill and seemingly a >> and and there's overkill and seemingly a personal connection, but like no one personal connection, but like no one personal connection, but like no one with a personal connection like has a with a personal connection like has a with a personal connection like has a motive to do this. And the DNA and the motive to do this. And the DNA and the motive to do this. And the DNA and the fingerprints seem to belong to a ghost fingerprints seem to belong to a ghost fingerprints seem to belong to a ghost because we cannot connect them to because we cannot connect them to because we cannot connect them to [music] literally anyone.

[music] literally anyone. [music] literally anyone. >> Well, not so fast. There was a ton that >> Well, not so fast. There was a ton that >> Well, not so fast. There was a ton that Detective Cox [music] couldn't share Detective Cox [music] couldn't share Detective Cox [music] couldn't share with us to protect the investigation. with us to protect the investigation. with us to protect the investigation. >> But the thing he did give us was one >> But the thing he did give us was one >> But the thing he did give us was one [snorts] huge scoop. A development in [snorts] huge scoop. A development in [snorts] huge scoop. A development in this case that we're breaking for the this case that we're breaking for the this case that we're breaking for the first time. They [music] recently got a first time. They [music] recently got a first time. They [music] recently got a match on the partial fingerprint from match on the partial fingerprint from match on the partial fingerprint from their crime scene. And you are not going their crime scene. And you are not going their crime scene. And you are not going to believe how this happened or what has to believe how this happened or what has to believe how this happened or what has unfolded [music] unfolded [music] unfolded [music] since. since. since. In June 2023, 12 years after Bill and In June 2023, 12 years after Bill and In June 2023, 12 years after Bill and Peggy's murder, a call comes into the Peggy's murder, a call comes into the Peggy's murder, a call comes into the Boone County Sheriff's Office. [music] Boone County Sheriff's Office. [music] Boone County Sheriff's Office. [music] Remember those fingerprints that Remember those fingerprints that Remember those fingerprints that Detective Cox mailed out to all 50 Detective Cox mailed out to all 50 Detective Cox mailed out to all 50 states looking for a match? A lab states looking for a match? A lab states looking for a match? A lab technician is on [music] the phone and technician is on [music] the phone and technician is on [music] the phone and she has finally made a match. When Detective Cox sent out those When Detective Cox sent out those fingerprint cards to all 50 states back fingerprint cards to all 50 states back fingerprint cards to all 50 states back in 2011, he asked technicians all over in 2011, he asked technicians all over in 2011, he asked technicians all over the country to run them against their the country to run them against their the country to run them against their own databases in case there was ever a own databases in case there was ever a own databases in case there was ever a match. Now, with a partial like that, match. Now, with a partial like that, match. Now, with a partial like that, you can't just like set it and forget it you can't just like set it and forget it you can't just like set it and forget it either. [music] your search is basically either. [music] your search is basically either. [music] your search is basically only good like as a one-time search only good like as a one-time search only good like as a one-time search [music] comparing against the database [music] comparing against the database [music] comparing against the database as it is in that moment in time. So Cox as it is in that moment in time. So Cox as it is in that moment in time. So Cox obviously like hoped that they would all obviously like hoped that they would all obviously like hoped that they would all keep the prints run and rerun them, but keep the prints run and rerun them, but keep the prints run and rerun them, but he never got a single call about them

he never got a single call about them he never got a single call about them for [music] over a decade. Honestly, by for [music] over a decade. Honestly, by for [music] over a decade. Honestly, by 2023, he didn't know if any of the 2023, he didn't know if any of the 2023, he didn't know if any of the states still hung on to them. But you states still hung on to them. But you states still hung on to them. But you [music] just need one. And one day, Cox [music] just need one. And one day, Cox [music] just need one. And one day, Cox gets this [music] out of the blue call gets this [music] out of the blue call gets this [music] out of the blue call from a lab tech out west. Pretty much from a lab tech out west. Pretty much from a lab tech out west. Pretty much everything is west of Kentucky, but everything is west of Kentucky, but everything is west of Kentucky, but that's all he'll say, a western state. that's all he'll say, a western state. that's all he'll say, a western state. [music] [music] [music] And this lab tech said that she had And this lab tech said that she had And this lab tech said that she had heard about Bill and Peggy's case from a heard about Bill and Peggy's case from a heard about Bill and Peggy's case from a podcast. [music] podcast. [music] podcast. [music] And she wanted to do her part to help. And she wanted to do her part to help. And she wanted to do her part to help. So, she printed out a copy of the So, she printed out a copy of the So, she printed out a copy of the fingerprint card and kept it at her fingerprint card and kept it at her fingerprint card and kept it at her station as a reminder to keep rerunning station as a reminder to keep rerunning station as a reminder to keep rerunning those [music] every so often and she put those [music] every so often and she put those [music] every so often and she put in the work. Every time a new print came in the work. Every time a new print came in the work. Every time a new print came into their system, she would manually into their system, she would manually into their system, she would manually check it against the [music] print from check it against the [music] print from check it against the [music] print from the Stevenson case. Print after print, the Stevenson case. Print after print, the Stevenson case. Print after print, year after year, [music] until one time year after year, [music] until one time year after year, [music] until one time in 2023 when everything changed. It was in 2023 when everything changed. It was in 2023 when everything changed. It was the print. I would have given anything the print. I would have given anything the print. I would have given anything to talk to this woman. Like what is the to talk to this woman. Like what is the to talk to this woman. Like what is the moment that you realize that you have moment that you realize that you have moment that you realize that you have like this is a one ina million shot and like this is a one ina million shot and like this is a one ina million shot and like you did it.

like you did it. like you did it. >> And Detective Cox says that this is the >> And Detective Cox says that this is the >> And Detective Cox says that this is the exact reason that he makes it a point to exact reason that he makes it a point to exact reason that he makes it a point to talk to not just local media but talk to not just local media but talk to not just local media but podcasts like ours that can spread podcasts like ours that can spread podcasts like ours that can spread information far [music] and wide. He information far [music] and wide. He information far [music] and wide. He says that you might not get that big tip says that you might not get that big tip says that you might not get that big tip the day it airs, but you may get a phone the day it airs, but you may get a phone the day it airs, but you may get a phone call [music] even years later that call [music] even years later that call [music] even years later that changes everything. And that's the phone changes everything. And that's the phone changes everything. And that's the phone call he got. And this wasn't just like call he got. And this wasn't just like call he got. And this wasn't just like a, "Hey, we have a matching print." It a, "Hey, we have a matching print." It a, "Hey, we have a matching print." It was, "Hey, I have a matching print was, "Hey, I have a matching print was, "Hey, I have a matching print [music] and I can tell you who it [music] and I can tell you who it [music] and I can tell you who it belongs to." Now, Detective Cox won't belongs to." Now, Detective Cox won't belongs to." Now, Detective Cox won't share the name with [music] us. He is share the name with [music] us. He is share the name with [music] us. He is since retired, but he's still the one since retired, but he's still the one since retired, but he's still the one that knows so much about [music] this. that knows so much about [music] this. that knows so much about [music] this. So, we even reached out to the current So, we even reached out to the current So, we even reached out to the current detective on this case because I wanted detective on this case because I wanted detective on this case because I wanted to know like was the print like was to know like was the print like was to know like was the print like was there another crime committed? Was there another crime committed? Was there another crime committed? Was >> can you tell us about this print? >> can you tell us about this print? >> can you tell us about this print? >> Yeah, like don't tell me about him, but >> Yeah, like don't tell me about him, but >> Yeah, like don't tell me about him, but like what can I know about the print? like what can I know about the print? like what can I know about the print? And all that the current detective would And all that the current detective would And all that the current detective would tell us is that the prince weren't tell us is that the prince weren't tell us is that the prince weren't [music] on file from any previous crime [music] on file from any previous crime [music] on file from any previous crime he committed. They were on file for he committed. They were on file for he committed. They were on file for other reasons. But Detective Cox did say other reasons. But Detective Cox did say other reasons. But Detective Cox did say that [music] this man, once he knows his that [music] this man, once he knows his that [music] this man, once he knows his name, he obviously looks into him, he name, he obviously looks into him, he name, he obviously looks into him, he has ties to Boone County. More than has ties to Boone County. More than has ties to Boone County. More than that, he knew Bill and [music] Peggy. He that, he knew Bill and [music] Peggy. He that, he knew Bill and [music] Peggy. He lived in the same area as them. But lived in the same area as them. But lived in the same area as them. But interestingly, [music] interestingly, [music] interestingly, [music] he moved out of Boone County right after he moved out of Boone County right after he moved out of Boone County right after the murder. Now, Detective Cox doesn't the murder. Now, Detective Cox doesn't the murder. Now, Detective Cox doesn't sit on this. It's like within hours he

sit on this. It's like within hours he sit on this. It's like within hours he is on the phone with this guy and he is on the phone with this guy and he is on the phone with this guy and he doesn't say anything about the print. doesn't say anything about the print. doesn't say anything about the print. Just like, "Hey, I'm investigating this Just like, "Hey, I'm investigating this Just like, "Hey, I'm investigating this case. I've been working it like a long case. I've been working it like a long case. I've been working it like a long time. We just discovered that you might time. We just discovered that you might time. We just discovered that you might have been associated with the couple, have been associated with the couple, have been associated with the couple, the Stevensons from Boone County, the Stevensons from Boone County, the Stevensons from Boone County, Kentucky." And this guy admits that he Kentucky." And this guy admits that he Kentucky." And this guy admits that he knew Bill and Peggy said that he loved knew Bill and Peggy said that he loved knew Bill and Peggy said that he loved them. He will do anything to help solve them. He will do anything to help solve them. He will do anything to help solve this [music] case. this [music] case. this [music] case. >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> That's what Detective Cox says. He's >> That's what Detective Cox says. He's >> That's what Detective Cox says. He's like, "Great. Going to need your DNA and like, "Great. Going to need your DNA and like, "Great. Going to need your DNA and your prints. were getting this from your prints. were getting this from your prints. were getting this from basically everybody who loved them and basically everybody who loved them and basically everybody who loved them and wants to help solve the case. wants to help solve the case. wants to help solve the case. >> And the guy [music] says yes. He seems >> And the guy [music] says yes. He seems >> And the guy [music] says yes. He seems super cooperative, super willing to super cooperative, super willing to super cooperative, super willing to help. So, they make a plan for him to go help. So, they make a plan for him to go help. So, they make a plan for him to go to some place where he lives at 10:00 to some place where he lives at 10:00 to some place where he lives at 10:00 a.m. the next day to get the samples a.m. the next day to get the samples a.m. the next day to get the samples that they need. But at 9:45 the [music] that they need. But at 9:45 the [music] that they need. But at 9:45 the [music] next morning, 15 minutes before he's next morning, 15 minutes before he's next morning, 15 minutes before he's supposed to be there, he calls up supposed to be there, he calls up supposed to be there, he calls up Detective Cox. And Cox says that this Detective Cox. And Cox says that this Detective Cox. And Cox says that this guy's tone was totally different. guy's tone was totally different. guy's tone was totally different. [music] He says he's not going. And if [music] He says he's not going. And if [music] He says he's not going. And if they need anything else from him, they they need anything else from him, they they need anything else from him, they should contact his lawyer, should contact his lawyer, should contact his lawyer, >> which like a lawyer for an interview, I >> which like a lawyer for an interview, I >> which like a lawyer for an interview, I get. [music] get. [music] get. [music] >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> A lawyer when you just need to provide a >> A lawyer when you just need to provide a >> A lawyer when you just need to provide a DNA sample and this can be over and done DNA sample and this can be over and done DNA sample and this can be over and done with. with. with. >> Same. It's a red flag to Detective Cox, >> Same. It's a red flag to Detective Cox, >> Same. It's a red flag to Detective Cox, too. too. too. >> He told us that they've gotten DNA from >> He told us that they've gotten DNA from >> He told us that they've gotten DNA from like 200 different people [music] and like 200 different people [music] and like 200 different people [music] and only three of them have ever gotten an only three of them have ever gotten an only three of them have ever gotten an attorney. So he immediately tells the attorney. So he immediately tells the attorney. So he immediately tells the Boone County Sheriff what happened and Boone County Sheriff what happened and Boone County Sheriff what happened and the sheriff tells him like [music] you the sheriff tells him like [music] you the sheriff tells him like [music] you go out there and you get that sample. go out there and you get that sample. go out there and you get that sample. Like would have been nice if he gave it Like would have been nice if he gave it Like would have been nice if he gave it voluntarily. Like but they got his print voluntarily. Like but they got his print voluntarily. Like but they got his print right like at the [music] scene. And I right like at the [music] scene. And I right like at the [music] scene. And I might remind you that Cox said the might remind you that Cox said the might remind you that Cox said the location of that fingerprint was inside location of that fingerprint was inside location of that fingerprint was inside the crime scene and in a place that only the crime scene and in a place that only the crime scene and in a place that only should be left by the perpetrator. So should be left by the perpetrator. So should be left by the perpetrator. So within about a day of hanging up that within about a day of hanging up that within about a day of hanging up that phone, he [music] is boots on the ground phone, he [music] is boots on the ground phone, he [music] is boots on the ground in this mysterious western state where in this mysterious western state where in this mysterious western state where he goes to the local judge there and he goes to the local judge there and he goes to the local judge there and [music] he gets a signed warrant for [music] he gets a signed warrant for [music] he gets a signed warrant for this guy's DNA and his prints. But then this guy's DNA and his prints. But then this guy's DNA and his prints. But then when he drives to this guy's house to when he drives to this guy's house to when he drives to this guy's house to serve the warrant, [music] he won't serve the warrant, [music] he won't serve the warrant, [music] he won't answer the door. Detective Cox is pretty answer the door. Detective Cox is pretty answer the door. Detective Cox is pretty sure he's in there, but he won't answer sure he's in there, but he won't answer sure he's in there, but he won't answer the door, won't answer the phone, won't the door, won't answer the phone, won't the door, won't answer the phone, won't come out of the house. So, he has to go come out of the house. So, he has to go come out of the house. So, he has to go [music] back to the judge for another [music] back to the judge for another [music] back to the judge for another warrant, which lets them like forcibly warrant, which lets them like forcibly warrant, which lets them like forcibly go in and get this guy stuff. And they go in and get this guy stuff. And they go in and get this guy stuff. And they do.

do. do. >> They literally have to go in by force. >> They literally have to go in by force. >> They literally have to go in by force. >> Yes. And [music] >> Yes. And [music] >> Yes. And [music] Homeboy's in there. And Detective Cox Homeboy's in there. And Detective Cox Homeboy's in there. And Detective Cox didn't like paint a picture, so I don't didn't like paint a picture, so I don't didn't like paint a picture, so I don't know if he's just like sitting in the know if he's just like sitting in the know if he's just like sitting in the middle of his living room waiting for middle of his living room waiting for middle of his living room waiting for them to come in. I don't know if he's them to come in. I don't know if he's them to come in. I don't know if he's like crying in his bedroom closet. Like, like crying in his bedroom closet. Like, like crying in his bedroom closet. Like, [music] my imagination tends to run [music] my imagination tends to run [music] my imagination tends to run wild. But they get the samples that they wild. But they get the samples that they wild. But they get the samples that they need. No surprises here. The fingerprint need. No surprises here. The fingerprint need. No surprises here. The fingerprint matches 100% [music] matches 100% [music] matches 100% [music] and the DNA and the DNA and the DNA does not. does not. does not. What now? Does this mean that there is What now? Does this mean that there is What now? Does this mean that there is another person? Is it still possible another person? Is it still possible another person? Is it still possible that the DNA was planted, which Cox had that the DNA was planted, which Cox had that the DNA was planted, which Cox had an early theory about? an early theory about? an early theory about? >> I've got an idea. How about we ask the >> I've got an idea. How about we ask the >> I've got an idea. How about we ask the guy whose fingerprints are at the scene? guy whose fingerprints are at the scene? guy whose fingerprints are at the scene? like did you put it there or was someone like did you put it there or was someone like did you put it there or was someone with you with you with you >> or was he ever there at [music] all or >> or was he ever there at [music] all or >> or was he ever there at [music] all or if he was was it before, during or after if he was was it before, during or after if he was was it before, during or after the killing? And I know that probably the killing? And I know that probably the killing? And I know that probably sounds bananas, but without knowing what sounds bananas, but without knowing what sounds bananas, but without knowing what or where the fingerprint was located on or where the fingerprint was located on or where the fingerprint was located on or where it was or in you I I don't know or where it was or in you I I don't know or where it was or in you I I don't know if we can say that he was there for the if we can say that he was there for the if we can say that he was there for the murder.

murder. murder. >> I mean, Cox said it had to be left by >> I mean, Cox said it had to be left by >> I mean, Cox said it had to be left by the perpetrator, right? Dude, this is the perpetrator, right? Dude, this is the perpetrator, right? Dude, this is like I feel like we went round and round like I feel like we went round and round like I feel like we went round and round and round with him with Detective Cox. and round with him with Detective Cox. and round with him with Detective Cox. He was super careful with his [music] He was super careful with his [music] He was super careful with his [music] words. I'll try to distill what I think words. I'll try to distill what I think words. I'll try to distill what I think the truth is here and that is that this the truth is here and that is that this the truth is here and that is that this is a very complicated scene. [music] is a very complicated scene. [music] is a very complicated scene. [music] So far, we have a print and we have DNA So far, we have a print and we have DNA So far, we have a print and we have DNA that we know do not belong to the same that we know do not belong to the same that we know do not belong to the same person. [music] person. [music] person. [music] >> We know there are elements of staging. >> We know there are elements of staging. >> We know there are elements of staging. One of those or more of those could be One of those or more of those could be One of those or more of those could be staged or planted. We also know that the staged or planted. We also know that the staged or planted. We also know that the killer was around maybe even they say killer was around maybe even they say killer was around maybe even they say left and came back sometime over an left and came back sometime over an left and came back sometime over an eighthour period. Did someone else come eighthour period. Did someone else come eighthour period. Did someone else come into that scene during [music] that into that scene during [music] that into that scene during [music] that time? time? time? >> I mean, have they asked this guy since? >> I mean, have they asked this guy since? >> I mean, have they asked this guy since? >> This is the thing. He [music] still will >> This is the thing. He [music] still will >> This is the thing. He [music] still will not talk to them. not talk to them. not talk to them. >> Still like right now. >> Still like right now. >> Still like right now. >> So, no longer willing to do anything to >> So, no longer willing to do anything to >> So, no longer willing to do anything to help the couple he loved so much. help the couple he loved so much. help the couple he loved so much. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> I'm sorry. his print being IDed there.

>> I'm sorry. his print being IDed there. >> I'm sorry. his print being IDed there. The fact that he knew them, moved right The fact that he knew them, moved right The fact that he knew them, moved right after, like after, like after, like >> I listen, I agree with you here. >> I listen, I agree with you here. >> I listen, I agree with you here. >> I agree with like every crime junkie I >> I agree with like every crime junkie I >> I agree with like every crime junkie I know is like screaming at the screen know is like screaming at the screen know is like screaming at the screen right now. right now. right now. >> Thousand%. >> Thousand%. >> Thousand%. >> This guy, whoever he is, I think there >> This guy, whoever he is, I think there >> This guy, whoever he is, I think there is more to him. is more to him. is more to him. >> Honestly, it's not like Cox doesn't see >> Honestly, it's not like Cox doesn't see >> Honestly, it's not like Cox doesn't see it. He's not closing the door on Western it. He's not closing the door on Western it. He's not closing the door on Western [music] State Guy or anyone else that he [music] State Guy or anyone else that he [music] State Guy or anyone else that he has looked at in the past. Cox says that has looked at in the past. Cox says that has looked at in the past. Cox says that investigators have to weigh two kinds of investigators have to weigh two kinds of investigators have to weigh two kinds of evidence in this case, physical and evidence in this case, physical and evidence in this case, physical and circumstantial. And because of the circumstantial. And because of the circumstantial. And because of the fingerprint and because of the fingerprint and because of the fingerprint and because of the circumstantial pieces [music] circumstantial pieces [music] circumstantial pieces [music] like you're saying, the connection to like you're saying, the connection to like you're saying, the connection to Boone County, the fact that he knew Bill Boone County, the fact that he knew Bill Boone County, the fact that he knew Bill and Peggy, the fact that he lived in the and Peggy, the fact that he lived in the and Peggy, the fact that he lived in the same area, the timing of when he moved, same area, the timing of when he moved, same area, the timing of when he moved, Cox says that this Western state guy is Cox says that this Western state guy is Cox says that this Western state guy is still in [music] play. By the way, still in [music] play. By the way, still in [music] play. By the way, nephew Stevie isn't off the table nephew Stevie isn't off the table nephew Stevie isn't off the table either, remember? and investigators have either, remember? and investigators have either, remember? and investigators have narrowed down their pool of persons of narrowed down their pool of persons of narrowed down their pool of persons of interest to about half a dozen people interest to about half a dozen people interest to about half a dozen people again including Western State [music] again including Western State [music] again including Western State [music] Guy. But they need to build a solid case Guy. But they need to build a solid case Guy. But they need to build a solid case before they can bring charges against before they can bring charges against before they can bring charges against [music] anyone.

[music] anyone. [music] anyone. And I do get the measured approach. Even And I do get the measured approach. Even And I do get the measured approach. Even a [music] crap defense attorney could a [music] crap defense attorney could a [music] crap defense attorney could get someone off as long as there is get someone off as long as there is get someone off as long as there is unidentified DNA sitting [music] unidentified DNA sitting [music] unidentified DNA sitting [music] out there at the crime scene connected out there at the crime scene connected out there at the crime scene connected in some way, right? You have to figure in some way, right? You have to figure in some way, right? You have to figure out who that belongs to to close that out who that belongs to to close that out who that belongs to to close that door or to figure out if it's connected, door or to figure out if it's connected, door or to figure out if it's connected, not connected. Like [music] otherw like not connected. Like [music] otherw like not connected. Like [music] otherw like I just I know how this would go at I just I know how this would go at I just I know how this would go at trial. trial. trial. >> There's too many loose ends. >> There's too many loose ends. >> There's too many loose ends. >> So that is the loose end that Detective >> So that is the loose end that Detective >> So that is the loose end that Detective Cox is [music] working to close up. And Cox is [music] working to close up. And Cox is [music] working to close up. And another exclusive piece of information another exclusive piece of information another exclusive piece of information he gave us is that a lab has gotten he gave us is that a lab has gotten he gave us is that a lab has gotten another DNA profile from a [music] another DNA profile from a [music] another DNA profile from a [music] second location in the crime scene and second location in the crime scene and second location in the crime scene and it matches the first profile that they it matches the first profile that they it matches the first profile that they already have in Cotus. So [music] those already have in Cotus. So [music] those already have in Cotus. So [music] those samples are from the same person. samples are from the same person. samples are from the same person. >> Mhm. But investigators think that >> Mhm. But investigators think that >> Mhm. But investigators think that they'll be able to do a lot more with they'll be able to do a lot more with they'll be able to do a lot more with this profile. this profile. this profile. I don't know if that's genealogy, I don't know if that's genealogy, I don't know if that's genealogy, phenotyping, whatever that is, but 15 phenotyping, whatever that is, but 15 phenotyping, whatever that is, but 15 years after Bill and Peggy Stevenson years after Bill and Peggy Stevenson years after Bill and Peggy Stevenson were murdered. What I know is that this were murdered. What I know is that this were murdered. What I know is that this case is not sitting on [music] a shelf.

case is not sitting on [music] a shelf. case is not sitting on [music] a shelf. The science is still moving. The science is still moving. The science is still moving. Investigators are still working it. Investigators are still working it. Investigators are still working it. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> And even though Detective Cox just >> And even though Detective Cox just >> And even though Detective Cox just retired from the Boone County Sheriff's retired from the Boone County Sheriff's retired from the Boone County Sheriff's Office, he has passed on the case to Office, he has passed on the case to Office, he has passed on the case to [music] detectives who are just as [music] detectives who are just as [music] detectives who are just as dedicated as he was. And he believes dedicated as he was. And he believes dedicated as he was. And he believes that this case can and will be solved if that this case can and will be solved if that this case can and will be solved if [music] the right person or people come [music] the right person or people come [music] the right person or people come forward. So, Crime Junkies, that's you. forward. So, Crime Junkies, that's you. forward. So, Crime Junkies, that's you. If you have any information, contact the If you have any information, contact the If you have any information, contact the Boone County Sheriff's [music] Office. Boone County Sheriff's [music] Office. Boone County Sheriff's [music] Office. They have a dedicated tip line for the They have a dedicated tip line for the They have a dedicated tip line for the Stevenson case. The number is Stevenson case. The number is Stevenson case. The number is 8593348496. 8593348496. 8593348496. [music] You can always email us tips at You can always email us tips at audiochuck.com. audiochuck.com. audiochuck.com. Any information is helpful, [music] Any information is helpful, [music] Any information is helpful, [music] small or big. And just a reminder that small or big. And just a reminder that small or big. And just a reminder that investigators are still looking to investigators are still looking to investigators are still looking to identify the man from [music] the truck identify the man from [music] the truck identify the man from [music] the truck stop, who Cox did confirm for me, by the stop, who Cox did confirm for me, by the stop, who Cox did confirm for me, by the way, is not Western State [music] Guy.

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