Teen allegedly killed and dismembered by creep from Roblox

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educational and it's factually correct." educational and it's factually correct." So, um, this is how a podcast should be So, um, this is how a podcast should be So, um, this is how a podcast should be done. So, thank you for welcoming them. done. So, thank you for welcoming them. done. So, thank you for welcoming them. >> Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. And for >> Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. And for >> Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. And for those of you who are listening and not those of you who are listening and not those of you who are listening and not watching, what you need to know is that watching, what you need to know is that watching, what you need to know is that behind Allison are some very behind Allison are some very behind Allison are some very professionally dressed young people, law professionally dressed young people, law professionally dressed young people, law students. Um, and students. Um, and students. Um, and >> college students, college, all co I >> college students, college, all co I >> college students, college, all co I always do a summer internship for always do a summer internship for always do a summer internship for college students who want to go to law college students who want to go to law college students who want to go to law school to give them an idea of what it school to give them an idea of what it school to give them an idea of what it would be like if they were an attorney. would be like if they were an attorney. would be like if they were an attorney. >> Wow, this is fabulous. This is really, >> Wow, this is fabulous. This is really, >> Wow, this is fabulous. This is really, really wonderful. Um, and thank you all. really wonderful. Um, and thank you all. really wonderful. Um, and thank you all. You all looks I love the fact you all You all looks I love the fact you all You all looks I love the fact you all look so professional. Honestly, this is look so professional. Honestly, this is look so professional. Honestly, this is lesson number one. I have said this to lesson number one. I have said this to lesson number one. I have said this to all my interns. You dress for the job all my interns. You dress for the job all my interns. You dress for the job you want. you want. you want. Anna, they come to the office or court Anna, they come to the office or court Anna, they come to the office or court in business attire every day. They show in business attire every day. They show in business attire every day. They show up on time. They've been incredible. The up on time. They've been incredible. The up on time. They've been incredible. The schools that they go to are so schools that they go to are so schools that they go to are so impressive. But the people that they impressive. But the people that they impressive. But the people that they are, I have been over the top impressed.

are, I have been over the top impressed. are, I have been over the top impressed. >> Wow. Well, welcome all of you. It's a >> Wow. Well, welcome all of you. It's a >> Wow. Well, welcome all of you. It's a pleasure to have you. We've never have pleasure to have you. We've never have pleasure to have you. We've never have [laughter] an at an audience before. [laughter] an at an audience before. [laughter] an at an audience before. >> This is our studio audience, Anna. >> This is our studio audience, Anna. >> This is our studio audience, Anna. >> Oh my goodness. And you know what? I >> Oh my goodness. And you know what? I >> Oh my goodness. And you know what? I think it's honestly perfect that you're think it's honestly perfect that you're think it's honestly perfect that you're all college students because our victim all college students because our victim all college students because our victim today was killed when she was 17 years today was killed when she was 17 years today was killed when she was 17 years old. She dreamed and had plans to go to old. She dreamed and had plans to go to old. She dreamed and had plans to go to college. So I think agewise college. So I think agewise college. So I think agewise and situational wise, you all will be and situational wise, you all will be and situational wise, you all will be able to relate to this case which able to relate to this case which able to relate to this case which straddles two states, Ohio and Indiana. straddles two states, Ohio and Indiana. straddles two states, Ohio and Indiana. And this is a federal case. Allison uh And this is a federal case. Allison uh And this is a federal case. Allison uh because the accused here was charged of because the accused here was charged of because the accused here was charged of taking the minor from Indiana to Ohio taking the minor from Indiana to Ohio taking the minor from Indiana to Ohio and that's where authorities say that he and that's where authorities say that he and that's where authorities say that he killed her. However, he has not been killed her. However, he has not been killed her. However, he has not been charged with murder. Has not been charged with murder. Has not been charged with murder. Has not been charged with murder. But come on, police charged with murder. But come on, police charged with murder. But come on, police say he led them to her body, her say he led them to her body, her say he led them to her body, her remains. remains. remains. We will get into it and it's only a We will get into it and it's only a We will get into it and it's only a matter of time. And I want our I want matter of time. And I want our I want matter of time. And I want our I want our listeners to know immediately that our listeners to know immediately that our listeners to know immediately that there is no statute of limitations for there is no statute of limitations for there is no statute of limitations for murder. So it's not like the um local murder. So it's not like the um local murder. So it's not like the um local law enforcement or federal law law enforcement or federal law law enforcement or federal law enforcement cannot charge him with enforcement cannot charge him with enforcement cannot charge him with murder. The statute of limitations will murder. The statute of limitations will murder. The statute of limitations will not run out and there's lots of reasons not run out and there's lots of reasons not run out and there's lots of reasons why they're going to have the federal why they're going to have the federal why they're going to have the federal case first.

case first. case first. >> Right. Right. Okay. So a little bit of >> Right. Right. Okay. So a little bit of >> Right. Right. Okay. So a little bit of background here. 17-year-old Haley Busby background here. 17-year-old Haley Busby background here. 17-year-old Haley Busby of Indiana was found dismembered in a of Indiana was found dismembered in a of Indiana was found dismembered in a shallow grave in a park in Ohio. The shallow grave in a park in Ohio. The shallow grave in a park in Ohio. The high school student was missing almost a high school student was missing almost a high school student was missing almost a month before her remains were located. month before her remains were located. month before her remains were located. And the man who led police to her body And the man who led police to her body And the man who led police to her body is 39year-old Tyler Thomas. Tyler is is 39year-old Tyler Thomas. Tyler is is 39year-old Tyler Thomas. Tyler is being held on federal charges related to being held on federal charges related to being held on federal charges related to illicit sexual conduct with a minor. illicit sexual conduct with a minor. illicit sexual conduct with a minor. I you know yesterday via email Allison I you know yesterday via email Allison I you know yesterday via email Allison there's a criminal complaint in this and there's a criminal complaint in this and there's a criminal complaint in this and I warned you and I said I warned you and I said I warned you and I said >> it is grizzly it is >> it is grizzly it is >> it is grizzly it is >> I had to it's awful it what is described >> I had to it's awful it what is described >> I had to it's awful it what is described in this criminal complaint about what in this criminal complaint about what in this criminal complaint about what this man has allegedly done to minors this man has allegedly done to minors this man has allegedly done to minors what he has written to minors it undoes what he has written to minors it undoes what he has written to minors it undoes me and honestly there was this one me and honestly there was this one me and honestly there was this one section I had to stop I had to stop section I had to stop I had to stop section I had to stop I had to stop because reading it was not going to make because reading it was not going to make because reading it was not going to make me more informed. me more informed. me more informed. >> Well, and the thing is that to to >> Well, and the thing is that to to >> Well, and the thing is that to to believe that this man was pray if if believe that this man was pray if if believe that this man was pray if if true was praying on these children using true was praying on these children using true was praying on these children using um programs that millions of kids use.

um programs that millions of kids use. um programs that millions of kids use. And so, um, one of the things as I was And so, um, one of the things as I was And so, um, one of the things as I was preparing for this that I kept thinking preparing for this that I kept thinking preparing for this that I kept thinking when they when I heard the term and it when they when I heard the term and it when they when I heard the term and it was that bad guys no longer need to go was that bad guys no longer need to go was that bad guys no longer need to go to playgrounds to to take children. They to playgrounds to to take children. They to playgrounds to to take children. They now can use digital playgrounds. And um now can use digital playgrounds. And um now can use digital playgrounds. And um how horrific, how scary as a parent, as how horrific, how scary as a parent, as how horrific, how scary as a parent, as an adult who who looks at these cases an adult who who looks at these cases an adult who who looks at these cases and I think to myself, "Oh my goodness, and I think to myself, "Oh my goodness, and I think to myself, "Oh my goodness, is anyone really safe anywhere now?" is anyone really safe anywhere now?" is anyone really safe anywhere now?" Well, how as a parent do you monitor Well, how as a parent do you monitor Well, how as a parent do you monitor what your children are doing when it's what your children are doing when it's what your children are doing when it's all on their phone? And you can't. And all on their phone? And you can't. And all on their phone? And you can't. And that's the problem. And I'm sure that that's the problem. And I'm sure that that's the problem. And I'm sure that your students behind you, you know, at your students behind you, you know, at your students behind you, you know, at some point have been frustrated by their some point have been frustrated by their some point have been frustrated by their parents maybe being overbearing and very parents maybe being overbearing and very parents maybe being overbearing and very protective over things like who are you protective over things like who are you protective over things like who are you talking to and what who's you know there talking to and what who's you know there talking to and what who's you know there is a reason for it. You know, we don't is a reason for it. You know, we don't is a reason for it. You know, we don't want to be the bad guy, but what are you want to be the bad guy, but what are you want to be the bad guy, but what are you going to do? Because we know that there going to do? Because we know that there going to do? Because we know that there are predators out there, right? And you are predators out there, right? And you are predators out there, right? And you know, one of the things that we went know, one of the things that we went know, one of the things that we went through yesterday as we were preparing through yesterday as we were preparing through yesterday as we were preparing is that all the laws across the states, is that all the laws across the states, is that all the laws across the states, all the lawsuits across the states, and all the lawsuits across the states, and all the lawsuits across the states, and then internationally, what other then internationally, what other then internationally, what other countries are doing so that young countries are doing so that young countries are doing so that young children don't have access to social children don't have access to social children don't have access to social media.

media. media. >> Yeah. And I'm and I'm sorry if it sounds >> Yeah. And I'm and I'm sorry if it sounds >> Yeah. And I'm and I'm sorry if it sounds like, oh, you know, the adults are just like, oh, you know, the adults are just like, oh, you know, the adults are just trying to legislate you and take things trying to legislate you and take things trying to legislate you and take things from you, but until safety measures can from you, but until safety measures can from you, but until safety measures can be built into these systems, and I don't be built into these systems, and I don't be built into these systems, and I don't know how you do that, but it it just know how you do that, but it it just know how you do that, but it it just we're going to have many more Haley we're going to have many more Haley we're going to have many more Haley Busies. She is everyone's child. Busies. She is everyone's child. Busies. She is everyone's child. >> Anna, I have a friend whose child was >> Anna, I have a friend whose child was >> Anna, I have a friend whose child was personally exploited on one of these personally exploited on one of these personally exploited on one of these sites by an older man. sites by an older man. sites by an older man. >> Oh my god. Let's get into the details >> Oh my god. Let's get into the details >> Oh my god. Let's get into the details here. So, Haley was your typical here. So, Haley was your typical here. So, Haley was your typical teenager. Loved her family, did well in teenager. Loved her family, did well in teenager. Loved her family, did well in school. She worked part-time, waiting school. She worked part-time, waiting school. She worked part-time, waiting tables to make money, intended to go to tables to make money, intended to go to tables to make money, intended to go to college, and she loved playing video college, and she loved playing video college, and she loved playing video games. Totally get it. You want to zone games. Totally get it. You want to zone games. Totally get it. You want to zone out. You want to have some fun and just out. You want to have some fun and just out. You want to have some fun and just check out for a little while. She lived check out for a little while. She lived check out for a little while. She lived with her dad and stepmom in Fortville, with her dad and stepmom in Fortville, with her dad and stepmom in Fortville, Indiana. And earlier this year, on the Indiana. And earlier this year, on the Indiana. And earlier this year, on the morning of January 6th of 2026, her morning of January 6th of 2026, her morning of January 6th of 2026, her parents wake up and they see that Haley parents wake up and they see that Haley parents wake up and they see that Haley has run away. She's taken her phone, a has run away. She's taken her phone, a has run away. She's taken her phone, a few belongings, and she's left a note few belongings, and she's left a note few belongings, and she's left a note telling her parents, "Don't look for telling her parents, "Don't look for telling her parents, "Don't look for me." So, of course, the parents call 911 me." So, of course, the parents call 911 me." So, of course, the parents call 911 right away. Yeah, right away. Yeah, right away. Yeah, >> of course.

>> of course. >> of course. >> Of course. Now, here's the thing, and >> Of course. Now, here's the thing, and >> Of course. Now, here's the thing, and this happens all the time, especially, this happens all the time, especially, this happens all the time, especially, you know, she is a minor, but she's so you know, she is a minor, but she's so you know, she is a minor, but she's so close to being 18. And just like even close to being 18. And just like even close to being 18. And just like even though she's not an adult, like with so though she's not an adult, like with so though she's not an adult, like with so many adults who disappear or they think many adults who disappear or they think many adults who disappear or they think they run away, police are kind of slow they run away, police are kind of slow they run away, police are kind of slow in the beginning because in the beginning because in the beginning because they have to figure out if there's foul they have to figure out if there's foul they have to figure out if there's foul play. play. play. >> Yeah. You know, I want to talk about >> Yeah. You know, I want to talk about >> Yeah. You know, I want to talk about that for a second. We'll get into it that for a second. We'll get into it that for a second. We'll get into it more, but but the idea, however, is that more, but but the idea, however, is that more, but but the idea, however, is that she's still a minor. She's still a she's still a minor. She's still a she's still a minor. She's still a minor. And if you're under 18, you um minor. And if you're under 18, you um minor. And if you're under 18, you um you have limited rights. Your parents you have limited rights. Your parents you have limited rights. Your parents still have uh custody of you. And I still have uh custody of you. And I still have uh custody of you. And I believe that um things went horribly believe that um things went horribly believe that um things went horribly wrong here because she was not wrong here because she was not wrong here because she was not classified as an endangered person classified as an endangered person classified as an endangered person earlier on that she was classified as earlier on that she was classified as earlier on that she was classified as Vunaway. And there is a distinction and Vunaway. And there is a distinction and Vunaway. And there is a distinction and there is a distinction in that they uh there is a distinction in that they uh there is a distinction in that they uh law enforcement prioritizes cases and law enforcement prioritizes cases and law enforcement prioritizes cases and when you're an endangered person when you're an endangered person when you're an endangered person you get top move to top priority you get top move to top priority you get top move to top priority >> correct >> correct >> correct >> and they act immediately and if and I'm >> and they act immediately and if and I'm >> and they act immediately and if and I'm not saying this definitely happened but not saying this definitely happened but not saying this definitely happened but I do believe that if you're a minor and I do believe that if you're a minor and I do believe that if you're a minor and you are missing and your parents don't you are missing and your parents don't you are missing and your parents don't know where you are perhaps

know where you are perhaps know where you are perhaps the law should change to reflect that the law should change to reflect that the law should change to reflect that and move it higher up on the list. and move it higher up on the list. and move it higher up on the list. >> And that is what Haley's parents have >> And that is what Haley's parents have >> And that is what Haley's parents have tried to achieve in Indiana. That tried to achieve in Indiana. That tried to achieve in Indiana. That >> you know the status and it's not that >> you know the status and it's not that >> you know the status and it's not that police didn't investigate. It's just police didn't investigate. It's just police didn't investigate. It's just that it took a little while to figure that it took a little while to figure that it took a little while to figure out what had happened here and then once out what had happened here and then once out what had happened here and then once they realized what had happened, you they realized what had happened, you they realized what had happened, you know, they they truly without the police know, they they truly without the police know, they they truly without the police investigation, we would have never found investigation, we would have never found investigation, we would have never found this alleged predator. this alleged predator. this alleged predator. >> Yeah. And let me be clear, I think that >> Yeah. And let me be clear, I think that >> Yeah. And let me be clear, I think that that the the local and federal law that the the local and federal law that the the local and federal law enforcement actually did a bangup job enforcement actually did a bangup job enforcement actually did a bangup job here. I mean, they followed every lead. here. I mean, they followed every lead. here. I mean, they followed every lead. They were very quick to get license They were very quick to get license They were very quick to get license plates, to get addresses, to get search plates, to get addresses, to get search plates, to get addresses, to get search warrants. I mean, the search warrants warrants. I mean, the search warrants warrants. I mean, the search warrants that were done here, the, you know, the that were done here, the, you know, the that were done here, the, you know, the the the digital footprint that they got the the digital footprint that they got the the digital footprint that they got from search warrants. And then not only from search warrants. And then not only from search warrants. And then not only that, they followed the law where they that, they followed the law where they that, they followed the law where they if they got a search warrant to the to a if they got a search warrant to the to a if they got a search warrant to the to a home and they found a digital device, home and they found a digital device, home and they found a digital device, they went as far as to get a search they went as far as to get a search they went as far as to get a search warrant for that digital device. So, warrant for that digital device. So, warrant for that digital device. So, they did everything right. I just don't they did everything right. I just don't they did everything right. I just don't love the idea that when a minor goes love the idea that when a minor goes love the idea that when a minor goes missing, I believe that it should be top missing, I believe that it should be top missing, I believe that it should be top priority right away. And one of the priority right away. And one of the priority right away. And one of the issues was, you know, putting out an issues was, you know, putting out an issues was, you know, putting out an alert. Could they had they been able to alert. Could they had they been able to alert. Could they had they been able to put out an alert had she been classified put out an alert had she been classified put out an alert had she been classified in a way where she would have qualified in a way where she would have qualified in a way where she would have qualified for, for, for, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Would that have in any way changed the >> Would that have in any way changed the >> Would that have in any way changed the outcome of this? I'm not sure. outcome of this? I'm not sure. outcome of this? I'm not sure. >> We'll never know. >> We'll never know. >> We'll never know. >> We'll never know. But I'll tell you >> We'll never know. But I'll tell you >> We'll never know. But I'll tell you what, moving forward if the and and what, moving forward if the and and what, moving forward if the and and really they these parents have gone to really they these parents have gone to really they these parents have gone to extraordinary measures and I hope this extraordinary measures and I hope this extraordinary measures and I hope this this takes you know becomes like a this takes you know becomes like a this takes you know becomes like a national grounds well um because once it national grounds well um because once it national grounds well um because once it was brought to my attention I thought was brought to my attention I thought was brought to my attention I thought well this is something that is so well this is something that is so well this is something that is so important for every state. important for every state. important for every state. Agreed. Agreed. So, let's get back to Agreed. Agreed. So, let's get back to Agreed. Agreed. So, let's get back to the case now, and we'll keep sprinkling the case now, and we'll keep sprinkling the case now, and we'll keep sprinkling in all these parts that make this case, in all these parts that make this case, in all these parts that make this case, you know, not just important, but you know, not just important, but you know, not just important, but life-changing, really life-changing, life-changing, really life-changing, life-changing, really life-changing, especially because of what the parents especially because of what the parents especially because of what the parents have been able to accomplish. So, this have been able to accomplish. So, this have been able to accomplish. So, this was a complicated case from the was a complicated case from the was a complicated case from the beginning as we've just described. Now, beginning as we've just described. Now, beginning as we've just described. Now, police ask the parents immediately, what police ask the parents immediately, what police ask the parents immediately, what about her online activities? You know, about her online activities? You know, about her online activities? You know, what did her friends know? They contact what did her friends know? They contact what did her friends know? They contact the friends. The friends didn't know the friends. The friends didn't know the friends. The friends didn't know that she had taken off. That to me is that she had taken off. That to me is that she had taken off. That to me is always a very bad sign because if a kid, always a very bad sign because if a kid, always a very bad sign because if a kid, let's say, is having trouble at home, let's say, is having trouble at home, let's say, is having trouble at home, generally the friends know and the generally the friends know and the generally the friends know and the friends will probably know about the friends will probably know about the friends will probably know about the plan to leave. That was not the case plan to leave. That was not the case plan to leave. That was not the case here.

here. here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She kept this guy a secret for a reason. >> She kept this guy a secret for a reason. >> She kept this guy a secret for a reason. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I agree. I mean, when >> Yeah. Yeah. And I agree. I mean, when >> Yeah. Yeah. And I agree. I mean, when when you when all of the likely people when you when all of the likely people when you when all of the likely people that they would have run to, right, dear that they would have run to, right, dear that they would have run to, right, dear friends, they they they don't know friends, they they they don't know friends, they they they don't know anything. They don't know where. They anything. They don't know where. They anything. They don't know where. They had no idea that she was missing. Very had no idea that she was missing. Very had no idea that she was missing. Very bad sign. bad sign. bad sign. >> Very bad sign. So, authorities then >> Very bad sign. So, authorities then >> Very bad sign. So, authorities then obtain a ping warrant for Haley's phone. obtain a ping warrant for Haley's phone. obtain a ping warrant for Haley's phone. Um, and you know, and their perspective Um, and you know, and their perspective Um, and you know, and their perspective is like every teenager has their phone is like every teenager has their phone is like every teenager has their phone 24/7. The fact that it's either on 24/7. The fact that it's either on 24/7. The fact that it's either on airplane mode, turned off, or perhaps airplane mode, turned off, or perhaps airplane mode, turned off, or perhaps destroyed. Very bad sign. You know, this destroyed. Very bad sign. You know, this destroyed. Very bad sign. You know, this is someone who either doesn't want to be is someone who either doesn't want to be is someone who either doesn't want to be found or the person she is with does not found or the person she is with does not found or the person she is with does not want her to be found. want her to be found. want her to be found. >> Right. I mean, that's where I turn to >> Right. I mean, that's where I turn to >> Right. I mean, that's where I turn to these interns and say, "When is your these interns and say, "When is your these interns and say, "When is your phone ever off?" Right? I mean, I know phone ever off?" Right? I mean, I know phone ever off?" Right? I mean, I know for you and I, we're working on our for you and I, we're working on our for you and I, we're working on our phone all the time, but I mean, for a phone all the time, but I mean, for a phone all the time, but I mean, for a 17-year-old to have the phone off, 17-year-old to have the phone off, 17-year-old to have the phone off, >> red flags. Again, another red flag. So, >> red flags. Again, another red flag. So, >> red flags. Again, another red flag. So, then police canvas the neighborhood, then police canvas the neighborhood, then police canvas the neighborhood, which is of course what they would have which is of course what they would have which is of course what they would have done anyway. They're looking for done anyway. They're looking for done anyway. They're looking for security video, ring doorbells, all of security video, ring doorbells, all of security video, ring doorbells, all of that. So, they find one neighbor who that. So, they find one neighbor who that. So, they find one neighbor who says, "Well, you know what? I woke up at says, "Well, you know what? I woke up at says, "Well, you know what? I woke up at 3:30 in the morning because the dogs 3:30 in the morning because the dogs 3:30 in the morning because the dogs were barking. Generally, dogs bark for a were barking. Generally, dogs bark for a were barking. Generally, dogs bark for a reason. Okay, that didn't necessarily go reason. Okay, that didn't necessarily go reason. Okay, that didn't necessarily go anywhere other than it gave them a anywhere other than it gave them a anywhere other than it gave them a timeline. Something happened at that timeline. Something happened at that timeline. Something happened at that time. They go to another neighbor. That time. They go to another neighbor. That time. They go to another neighbor. That neighbor provides surveillance video of neighbor provides surveillance video of neighbor provides surveillance video of a darkcoled SUV that was traveling on

a darkcoled SUV that was traveling on a darkcoled SUV that was traveling on the Busby Street at about 3:14 a.m. The the Busby Street at about 3:14 a.m. The the Busby Street at about 3:14 a.m. The SUV briefly dips out of the camera view, SUV briefly dips out of the camera view, SUV briefly dips out of the camera view, returns around 3:19 a.m. and 2 minutes returns around 3:19 a.m. and 2 minutes returns around 3:19 a.m. and 2 minutes later at 3:21 a.m. the other neighbor's later at 3:21 a.m. the other neighbor's later at 3:21 a.m. the other neighbor's dog can be heard barking and and again dog can be heard barking and and again dog can be heard barking and and again the SUV departs. This is all very the SUV departs. This is all very the SUV departs. This is all very important because important because important because >> and that's good police work, right? >> and that's good police work, right? >> and that's good police work, right? That's really good police work. Yeah. That's really good police work. Yeah. That's really good police work. Yeah. Yeah, because that was there were other Yeah, because that was there were other Yeah, because that was there were other vehicles, but that was the vehicle that vehicles, but that was the vehicle that vehicles, but that was the vehicle that police police police >> and they're honing in quickly. >> and they're honing in quickly. >> and they're honing in quickly. >> Absolutely. And again, time is of the >> Absolutely. And again, time is of the >> Absolutely. And again, time is of the essence because whether or not essence because whether or not essence because whether or not classified that way, I think your gut classified that way, I think your gut classified that way, I think your gut tells you something is very, very wrong tells you something is very, very wrong tells you something is very, very wrong here and she is really in danger, here and she is really in danger, here and she is really in danger, >> right? >> right? >> right? So then police um you know use the So then police um you know use the So then police um you know use the timeline of what they're finding through timeline of what they're finding through timeline of what they're finding through the neighbors with her phone, meaning um the neighbors with her phone, meaning um the neighbors with her phone, meaning um they managed to get some of her iCloud they managed to get some of her iCloud they managed to get some of her iCloud information and the last outgoing information and the last outgoing information and the last outgoing message was at 3:04 a.m. kind of all message was at 3:04 a.m. kind of all message was at 3:04 a.m. kind of all lines up and that she disconnected from lines up and that she disconnected from lines up and that she disconnected from the home router's Wi-Fi at about 3:05 to the home router's Wi-Fi at about 3:05 to the home router's Wi-Fi at about 3:05 to 3:10. Again, narrowing down the time 3:10. Again, narrowing down the time 3:10. Again, narrowing down the time that they need to be looking for this that they need to be looking for this that they need to be looking for this vehicle there and elsewhere, vehicle there and elsewhere, vehicle there and elsewhere, >> right? So, um, >> right? So, um, >> right? So, um, it was Haley's parents who managed their it was Haley's parents who managed their it was Haley's parents who managed their best to get into her Snapchat messages, best to get into her Snapchat messages, best to get into her Snapchat messages, which is not always easy, especially which is not always easy, especially which is not always easy, especially with Snapchat. And then that's when they with Snapchat. And then that's when they with Snapchat. And then that's when they discover she's been discover she's been discover she's been >> communicating with an adult male. This

>> communicating with an adult male. This >> communicating with an adult male. This is a very bad sign. is a very bad sign. is a very bad sign. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's just my god, it is just so >> It's just my god, it is just so >> It's just my god, it is just so upsetting. So again, as we've said, and upsetting. So again, as we've said, and upsetting. So again, as we've said, and we're going to go through how police we're going to go through how police we're going to go through how police figured this out, but for everyone to to figured this out, but for everyone to to figured this out, but for everyone to to put a pin in it right now, is you need put a pin in it right now, is you need put a pin in it right now, is you need to understand that for a year, to understand that for a year, to understand that for a year, Haley had been communicating with this Haley had been communicating with this Haley had been communicating with this guy. And so she would have been what, guy. And so she would have been what, guy. And so she would have been what, like 16 when they first met on a gaming like 16 when they first met on a gaming like 16 when they first met on a gaming platform. And then he says to her, platform. And then he says to her, platform. And then he says to her, "Let's move the conversation into "Let's move the conversation into "Let's move the conversation into various encrypted apps so they can various encrypted apps so they can various encrypted apps so they can >> Right." And according to according to >> Right." And according to according to >> Right." And according to according to law enforcement and the prosecutor in law enforcement and the prosecutor in law enforcement and the prosecutor in this case, there is some way to connect this case, there is some way to connect this case, there is some way to connect this roadblocks which we'll talk about this roadblocks which we'll talk about this roadblocks which we'll talk about with Discord. And so it's a pretty easy with Discord. And so it's a pretty easy with Discord. And so it's a pretty easy transition transition transition um where you can then start having these um where you can then start having these um where you can then start having these private conversations. private conversations. private conversations. Yeah, always a bad sign. Let's, you Yeah, always a bad sign. Let's, you Yeah, always a bad sign. Let's, you know, go offline somewhere to have a know, go offline somewhere to have a know, go offline somewhere to have a conversation. And of course, the conversation. And of course, the conversation. And of course, the conversations were just beyond horrific.

conversations were just beyond horrific. conversations were just beyond horrific. Horrific. horrific. Horrific. horrific. Horrific. horrific. The FBI believes that the intent here The FBI believes that the intent here The FBI believes that the intent here that the intent here was not only for that the intent here was not only for that the intent here was not only for him to sexually abuse her, but he he was him to sexually abuse her, but he he was him to sexually abuse her, but he he was also going to create also going to create also going to create child sex abuse child sex abuse child sex abuse materials. materials. materials. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I actually Correct me if I'm wrong, but I actually Correct me if I'm wrong, but I actually think that he, according to law think that he, according to law think that he, according to law enforcement, that he made that statement enforcement, that he made that statement enforcement, that he made that statement that he intended to produce child that he intended to produce child that he intended to produce child pornography. Police say that they found pornography. Police say that they found pornography. Police say that they found on his phone videos and pictures of on his phone videos and pictures of on his phone videos and pictures of Haley in the Airbnb that he rented. Haley in the Airbnb that he rented. Haley in the Airbnb that he rented. And they believe And they believe And they believe either there, she may have been killed either there, she may have been killed either there, she may have been killed there or somewhere else. And we will get there or somewhere else. And we will get there or somewhere else. And we will get to those details. to those details. to those details. But he was pretty clear about what his But he was pretty clear about what his But he was pretty clear about what his intention was. And I am actually I gotta intention was. And I am actually I gotta intention was. And I am actually I gotta say Allison I'm actually shocked that he say Allison I'm actually shocked that he say Allison I'm actually shocked that he took police to where he buried her with took police to where he buried her with took police to where he buried her with his lawyer with his we will get into his lawyer with his we will get into his lawyer with his we will get into that but I kept saying wait a minute that but I kept saying wait a minute that but I kept saying wait a minute this guy denies killing her right he this guy denies killing her right he this guy denies killing her right he denies killing her um speaks to them denies killing her um speaks to them denies killing her um speaks to them then lawyers up and then how does he end then lawyers up and then how does he end then lawyers up and then how does he end up showing them where her remains are up showing them where her remains are up showing them where her remains are and then I did a a deep dive and he's and then I did a a deep dive and he's and then I did a a deep dive and he's with the lawyer with the lawyer with the lawyer and they show he brings them to the and they show he brings them to the and they show he brings them to the remains which as you know and I know

remains which as you know and I know remains which as you know and I know that is highly unusual. that is highly unusual. that is highly unusual. >> Mhm. It's very rare and >> Mhm. It's very rare and >> Mhm. It's very rare and >> it loops back to Wait, what do you mean >> it loops back to Wait, what do you mean >> it loops back to Wait, what do you mean he brings him to the remains? He's not he brings him to the remains? He's not he brings him to the remains? He's not charged with murder. But that's why I charged with murder. But that's why I charged with murder. But that's why I say say say uh stay tuned because those charges are uh stay tuned because those charges are uh stay tuned because those charges are coming. and his defense attorney has coming. and his defense attorney has coming. and his defense attorney has said, you know, um not quite admitting said, you know, um not quite admitting said, you know, um not quite admitting other things, but saying he may have other things, but saying he may have other things, but saying he may have done some, and this is not the right done some, and this is not the right done some, and this is not the right word, um some unsavory, disturbing word, um some unsavory, disturbing word, um some unsavory, disturbing things, but he did not kill her. But things, but he did not kill her. But things, but he did not kill her. But here's the problem. here's the problem. here's the problem. She was dismembered. So, how in the She was dismembered. So, how in the She was dismembered. So, how in the world do you dismember someone if you world do you dismember someone if you world do you dismember someone if you don't kill them? don't kill them? don't kill them? >> Well, here's the thing with that, okay? >> Well, here's the thing with that, okay? >> Well, here's the thing with that, okay? And this may be why one of the delay And this may be why one of the delay And this may be why one of the delay this this may be one of one of the this this may be one of one of the this this may be one of one of the delays in charging them. delays in charging them. delays in charging them. You you do need to have man or cause of You you do need to have man or cause of You you do need to have man or cause of death, right? And did she die? Did she death, right? And did she die? Did she death, right? And did she die? Did she die by accident? Did she die of some die by accident? Did she die of some die by accident? Did she die of some type of natural cause? And then he type of natural cause? And then he type of natural cause? And then he dismembered her after the fact.

dismembered her after the fact. dismembered her after the fact. Probably. You're making that Anna Garcia Probably. You're making that Anna Garcia Probably. You're making that Anna Garcia face at me. I [laughter] know. I know. face at me. I [laughter] know. I know. face at me. I [laughter] know. I know. Um, and and maybe that's improbable, but Um, and and maybe that's improbable, but Um, and and maybe that's improbable, but law enforcement has all the time in the law enforcement has all the time in the law enforcement has all the time in the world to make sure they get it right. To world to make sure they get it right. To world to make sure they get it right. To make sure they get it right. And so once make sure they get it right. And so once make sure they get it right. And so once they have a a and it was pending at the they have a a and it was pending at the they have a a and it was pending at the at at the time, you know, c, you know, at at the time, you know, c, you know, at at the time, you know, c, you know, the the the body's been dismembered. So, the the the body's been dismembered. So, the the the body's been dismembered. So, you want to be absolutely certain manner you want to be absolutely certain manner you want to be absolutely certain manner and cause that wasn't an accident, and cause that wasn't an accident, and cause that wasn't an accident, wasn't natural causes, you know, it wasn't natural causes, you know, it wasn't natural causes, you know, it wasn't from a drug overdose or whatever wasn't from a drug overdose or whatever wasn't from a drug overdose or whatever that is. Um, and and once you have that, that is. Um, and and once you have that, that is. Um, and and once you have that, you can proceed. So, that may be one of you can proceed. So, that may be one of you can proceed. So, that may be one of the reasons that he hasn't been charged the reasons that he hasn't been charged the reasons that he hasn't been charged with murder yet. Um, but and is it a with murder yet. Um, but and is it a with murder yet. Um, but and is it a great explanation? Oh, I dismembered her great explanation? Oh, I dismembered her great explanation? Oh, I dismembered her after she died, but you know, I didn't after she died, but you know, I didn't after she died, but you know, I didn't kill her. kill her. kill her. >> Right. Right. And that is it is >> Right. Right. And that is it is >> Right. Right. And that is it is possible. She could have died. But but possible. She could have died. But but possible. She could have died. But but here's okay, and I am I'm always really here's okay, and I am I'm always really here's okay, and I am I'm always really a stickler about this. You know, one a stickler about this. You know, one a stickler about this. You know, one could say, "Oh, maybe she died during a could say, "Oh, maybe she died during a could say, "Oh, maybe she died during a sex act." Well, hold on a second. She's sex act." Well, hold on a second. She's sex act." Well, hold on a second. She's a minor. This is not It cannot be a minor. This is not It cannot be a minor. This is not It cannot be consensual under any circumstances. This consensual under any circumstances. This consensual under any circumstances. This is sexual assault.

is sexual assault. is sexual assault. >> Anna, we went over this case yesterday. >> Anna, we went over this case yesterday. >> Anna, we went over this case yesterday. Spent way more time than we should have. Spent way more time than we should have. Spent way more time than we should have. An hour talking exactly about this with An hour talking exactly about this with An hour talking exactly about this with the interns. So I tried to explain the interns. So I tried to explain the interns. So I tried to explain >> interns don't agree with me. >> interns don't agree with me. >> interns don't agree with me. >> No no no no. What it was was that that >> No no no no. What it was was that that >> No no no no. What it was was that that it's very it's it's very hard to explain it's very it's it's very hard to explain it's very it's it's very hard to explain that if you're not the age of consent. that if you're not the age of consent. that if you're not the age of consent. Okay. So in most states it's 18. If Okay. So in most states it's 18. If Okay. So in most states it's 18. If you're 17 years old and 350 days you do you're 17 years old and 350 days you do you're 17 years old and 350 days you do not you cannot legally consent to most not you cannot legally consent to most not you cannot legally consent to most things. you just can't. So, even though things. you just can't. So, even though things. you just can't. So, even though she voluntarily left with him, which she voluntarily left with him, which she voluntarily left with him, which seems to be the case, even if she seems to be the case, even if she seems to be the case, even if she voluntarily leaves with him and she voluntarily leaves with him and she voluntarily leaves with him and she consents to having sex with him, she consents to having sex with him, she consents to having sex with him, she cannot consent. cannot consent. cannot consent. Period. End of story. So, even if she Period. End of story. So, even if she Period. End of story. So, even if she agrees to be filmed, agrees to be filmed, agrees to be filmed, unless she is of the age of consent, unless she is of the age of consent, unless she is of the age of consent, there is no such thing. It is there is no such thing. It is there is no such thing. It is essentially a strict liability crime.

essentially a strict liability crime. essentially a strict liability crime. Okay. So, this was not Okay. So, this was not Okay. So, this was not this was not a man who had and and and this was not a man who had and and and this was not a man who had and and and stay with me on this. Who had professed stay with me on this. Who had professed stay with me on this. Who had professed his love. He had finally found the love his love. He had finally found the love his love. He had finally found the love of his life. There was an age of his life. There was an age of his life. There was an age difference. No, you read the words. You difference. No, you read the words. You difference. No, you read the words. You read the words and and what and the read the words and and what and the read the words and and what and the things that he said to that other the things that he said to that other the things that he said to that other the 10th grader encouraging her to harm 10th grader encouraging her to harm 10th grader encouraging her to harm herself and to dare to say to this herself and to dare to say to this herself and to dare to say to this child, I fantasize about you harming child, I fantasize about you harming child, I fantasize about you harming yourself while we are in a sex act. yourself while we are in a sex act. yourself while we are in a sex act. Anna, I will tell you that none of them Anna, I will tell you that none of them Anna, I will tell you that none of them I mean all of them were [clears throat] I mean all of them were [clears throat] I mean all of them were [clears throat] a gasast. I mean, all of them said this a gasast. I mean, all of them said this a gasast. I mean, all of them said this is horrific conduct. Now again I'm going is horrific conduct. Now again I'm going is horrific conduct. Now again I'm going to say if he did it allegedly right if to say if he did it allegedly right if to say if he did it allegedly right if he did it but it is horrific he did it but it is horrific he did it but it is horrific the words the fantasies the ideations the words the fantasies the ideations the words the fantasies the ideations the fact that he had groomed her he the fact that he had groomed her he the fact that he had groomed her he lured her and then he says I carried her lured her and then he says I carried her lured her and then he says I carried her across state lines for the purpose of across state lines for the purpose of across state lines for the purpose of child pornography and that's what makes child pornography and that's what makes child pornography and that's what makes this a federal case right this that's this a federal case right this that's this a federal case right this that's What makes it across the What makes it across the What makes it across the >> Yes. The transportation across cross uh >> Yes. The transportation across cross uh >> Yes. The transportation across cross uh the transportation across state lines, the transportation across state lines, the transportation across state lines, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> And then, you know, the the having in >> And then, you know, the the having in >> And then, you know, the the having in the production of child pornography the production of child pornography the production of child pornography additionally. additionally. additionally. >> Okay, let's let's get let's get back on >> Okay, let's let's get let's get back on >> Okay, let's let's get let's get back on track because I feel like we're we we track because I feel like we're we we track because I feel like we're we we keep diving off because there's just so keep diving off because there's just so keep diving off because there's just so much going on here. much going on here. much going on here. About 10 days later, police officers About 10 days later, police officers About 10 days later, police officers finally see um they go through license finally see um they go through license finally see um they go through license plate readers uh from the Busby plate readers uh from the Busby plate readers uh from the Busby neighborhood and they're able to track neighborhood and they're able to track neighborhood and they're able to track down that black SUV that we talked down that black SUV that we talked down that black SUV that we talked about. So, it was a vehicle described about. So, it was a vehicle described about. So, it was a vehicle described like this, a 2014 Acura that was like this, a 2014 Acura that was like this, a 2014 Acura that was registered to a woman in Indiana and registered to a woman in Indiana and registered to a woman in Indiana and she's identified only as Jane Doe in the she's identified only as Jane Doe in the she's identified only as Jane Doe in the >> I know she is, but I am so curious, >> I know she is, but I am so curious, >> I know she is, but I am so curious, Anna, is this a relative of his? is this Anna, is this a relative of his? is this Anna, is this a relative of his? is this um I mean she gives up his name and his um I mean she gives up his name and his um I mean she gives up his name and his phone number right quick. phone number right quick. phone number right quick. >> She does and I found that interesting >> She does and I found that interesting >> She does and I found that interesting and she tells the cops, "Oh, I'm in and she tells the cops, "Oh, I'm in and she tells the cops, "Oh, I'm in Florida, but I'm letting so and so Tyler Florida, but I'm letting so and so Tyler Florida, but I'm letting so and so Tyler Thomas drive my car." And then she I Thomas drive my car." And then she I Thomas drive my car." And then she I guess she contacts him and says, "Were guess she contacts him and says, "Were guess she contacts him and says, "Were you in Indiana?" He says, you in Indiana?" He says, you in Indiana?" He says, >> and then tells the police. She tells the >> and then tells the police. She tells the >> and then tells the police. She tells the police, "Oh, he was there. Here's his police, "Oh, he was there. Here's his police, "Oh, he was there. Here's his full name. Here's his phone number."

full name. Here's his phone number." full name. Here's his phone number." >> Right. Thank God. Right. because that >> Right. Thank God. Right. because that >> Right. Thank God. Right. because that saves some time for for everyone. And I saves some time for for everyone. And I saves some time for for everyone. And I think your Spidey sense is picking up on think your Spidey sense is picking up on think your Spidey sense is picking up on something. something. something. >> Well, of course, >> Well, of course, >> Well, of course, >> right. >> right. >> right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, now it's confirmed that police >> Okay. So, now it's confirmed that police >> Okay. So, now it's confirmed that police want to talk to this Tyler Thomas who's want to talk to this Tyler Thomas who's want to talk to this Tyler Thomas who's 39 years old. According to police, um 39 years old. According to police, um 39 years old. According to police, um Tyler traveled overnight from January Tyler traveled overnight from January Tyler traveled overnight from January 5th to 6 from Columbus, Ohio to Haley's 5th to 6 from Columbus, Ohio to Haley's 5th to 6 from Columbus, Ohio to Haley's home in Fortville, um Indiana. Tyler home in Fortville, um Indiana. Tyler home in Fortville, um Indiana. Tyler then returned to the Columbus area that then returned to the Columbus area that then returned to the Columbus area that afternoon before eventually making his afternoon before eventually making his afternoon before eventually making his way to an Airbnb where he remained until way to an Airbnb where he remained until way to an Airbnb where he remained until 9:25 a.m. on the 7th. 9:25 a.m. on the 7th. 9:25 a.m. on the 7th. Here's what's really important. leaves Here's what's really important. leaves Here's what's really important. leaves the Airbnb the Airbnb the Airbnb and goes to a trail head and he's there and goes to a trail head and he's there and goes to a trail head and he's there until 2:15 in the afternoon. He's there until 2:15 in the afternoon. He's there until 2:15 in the afternoon. He's there for like 5 hours. for like 5 hours. for like 5 hours. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is he hiking? I don't think so. >> Is he hiking? I don't think so. >> Is he hiking? I don't think so. >> Yeah. That that immediately when I read >> Yeah. That that immediately when I read >> Yeah. That that immediately when I read that I said, "How big is that search that I said, "How big is that search that I said, "How big is that search going to be there?" going to be there?" going to be there?" >> Right. So, what will be interesting is >> Right. So, what will be interesting is >> Right. So, what will be interesting is that his data provides that, but it's that his data provides that, but it's that his data provides that, but it's pretty much where he took police to. So, pretty much where he took police to. So, pretty much where he took police to. So, it kind of all is in case he changes his it kind of all is in case he changes his it kind of all is in case he changes his story. I don't know how he's going to story. I don't know how he's going to story. I don't know how he's going to change his story. I let police here and change his story. I let police here and change his story. I let police here and she's she's she's >> he initially he they they read him his >> he initially he they they read him his >> he initially he they they read him his rights. He initially starts talking to rights. He initially starts talking to rights. He initially starts talking to them and and they place him um the night them and and they place him um the night them and and they place him um the night that she leaves um in the area. They that she leaves um in the area. They that she leaves um in the area. They say, "Were you there around the area?" say, "Were you there around the area?" say, "Were you there around the area?" And he says, "Yes, I was there touring And he says, "Yes, I was there touring And he says, "Yes, I was there touring apple orchards." apple orchards." apple orchards." >> Who [laughter] tours an apple orchard 3 >> Who [laughter] tours an apple orchard 3 >> Who [laughter] tours an apple orchard 3 in the morning? in the morning? in the morning? >> But buddy, I mean, you got to come up >> But buddy, I mean, you got to come up >> But buddy, I mean, you got to come up with something a little bit better than with something a little bit better than with something a little bit better than apple orchards. Yeah. apple orchards. Yeah. apple orchards. Yeah. >> Is that crazy? >> Is that crazy? >> Is that crazy? >> Yeah. And it turns out that it's the >> Yeah. And it turns out that it's the >> Yeah. And it turns out that it's the middle of the night, right? The barking middle of the night, right? The barking middle of the night, right? The barking dog is like 3:30 in the morning and he's dog is like 3:30 in the morning and he's dog is like 3:30 in the morning and he's touring apple orchards.

touring apple orchards. touring apple orchards. >> Unbelievable. So, you know what? I think >> Unbelievable. So, you know what? I think >> Unbelievable. So, you know what? I think we should like make a book someday of we should like make a book someday of we should like make a book someday of all the insane things that people say to all the insane things that people say to all the insane things that people say to police, like all the crazy lies and just police, like all the crazy lies and just police, like all the crazy lies and just string them all out. string them all out. string them all out. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. He went >> Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. He went >> Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. He went from apple orchards to pointing them to from apple orchards to pointing them to from apple orchards to pointing them to the body. But Okay. the body. But Okay. the body. But Okay. >> And a suspected killer. >> And a suspected killer. >> And a suspected killer. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. So, um, Tyler did apparently >> Right. So, um, Tyler did apparently >> Right. So, um, Tyler did apparently allow officers to look at his phone. allow officers to look at his phone. allow officers to look at his phone. Eventually, he says, "Yeah, I did go Eventually, he says, "Yeah, I did go Eventually, he says, "Yeah, I did go there to pick up Haley, but she wanted there to pick up Haley, but she wanted there to pick up Haley, but she wanted me to drop her off on the side of the me to drop her off on the side of the me to drop her off on the side of the road somewhere in Ohio." Really? Really? road somewhere in Ohio." Really? Really? road somewhere in Ohio." Really? Really? Um, the problem is that when you start Um, the problem is that when you start Um, the problem is that when you start spewing these lies, right? And um you spewing these lies, right? And um you spewing these lies, right? And um you know, Ann, I know you know you're going know, Ann, I know you know you're going know, Ann, I know you know you're going to be upset with me when I say this, but to be upset with me when I say this, but to be upset with me when I say this, but my goodness, I mean, if you're going to my goodness, I mean, if you're going to my goodness, I mean, if you're going to t you know, these tales are not helping t you know, these tales are not helping t you know, these tales are not helping you. I mean, there is a right to remain you. I mean, there is a right to remain you. I mean, there is a right to remain silent. These guys never ever utilize silent. These guys never ever utilize silent. These guys never ever utilize it. They never utilize it. And then they it. They never utilize it. And then they it. They never utilize it. And then they start telling tales.

start telling tales. start telling tales. >> Right. Right. And then that always is >> Right. Right. And then that always is >> Right. Right. And then that always is used later on and in court, used later on and in court, used later on and in court, >> why did you lie? And sometimes people, >> why did you lie? And sometimes people, >> why did you lie? And sometimes people, you know, depending on the crime, you know, depending on the crime, you know, depending on the crime, sometimes it's a it's a the lie kind of sometimes it's a it's a the lie kind of sometimes it's a it's a the lie kind of makes sense, meaning it's like, "Oh, I makes sense, meaning it's like, "Oh, I makes sense, meaning it's like, "Oh, I see. Okay." Well, what's interesting is see. Okay." Well, what's interesting is see. Okay." Well, what's interesting is a lot of times, and um this is so a lot of times, and um this is so a lot of times, and um this is so interesting for the listeners. I don't A interesting for the listeners. I don't A interesting for the listeners. I don't A lot of times when they're lying, they lot of times when they're lying, they lot of times when they're lying, they weave in some of the truth. weave in some of the truth. weave in some of the truth. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Right. So you they unconsciously >> Right. So you they unconsciously >> Right. So you they unconsciously are telling part of what actually are telling part of what actually are telling part of what actually happened. And so a an astute happened. And so a an astute happened. And so a an astute um officer doing an interrogation will um officer doing an interrogation will um officer doing an interrogation will be able to pick up on the the the be able to pick up on the the the be able to pick up on the the the breadcrumbs that the person is actually breadcrumbs that the person is actually breadcrumbs that the person is actually telling because they normally will weave telling because they normally will weave telling because they normally will weave in a bit of the truth and it's probably in a bit of the truth and it's probably in a bit of the truth and it's probably unconsciously done. All right. And um so unconsciously done. All right. And um so unconsciously done. All right. And um so they're giving themselves away even they're giving themselves away even they're giving themselves away even though they're trying to lie. though they're trying to lie. though they're trying to lie. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because he admits to picking >> Yeah. Yeah. Because he admits to picking >> Yeah. Yeah. Because he admits to picking her up. her up. her up. >> Yeah. Even though, you know, it's even >> Yeah. Even though, you know, it's even >> Yeah. Even though, you know, it's even though we see the car, we see the car, though we see the car, we see the car, though we see the car, we see the car, we don't see him. So, an argument can be we don't see him. So, an argument can be we don't see him. So, an argument can be made. Okay. Well, first of all, it's not made. Okay. Well, first of all, it's not made. Okay. Well, first of all, it's not his car and we don't see him.

his car and we don't see him. his car and we don't see him. >> So, you prove to us that he picked her >> So, you prove to us that he picked her >> So, you prove to us that he picked her up, up, up, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Of course, then you'd have the GPS data, >> Of course, then you'd have the GPS data, >> Of course, then you'd have the GPS data, which would indicate that he was there. which would indicate that he was there. which would indicate that he was there. It's interesting, isn't it? Haley's It's interesting, isn't it? Haley's It's interesting, isn't it? Haley's phone is turned off, but his is not. phone is turned off, but his is not. phone is turned off, but his is not. >> Stupidity, ignorance. I don't know. I >> Stupidity, ignorance. I don't know. I >> Stupidity, ignorance. I don't know. I don't know. don't know. don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. So Tyler >> I don't know. I don't know. So Tyler >> I don't know. I don't know. So Tyler allows officers to look at his phone and allows officers to look at his phone and allows officers to look at his phone and then they see the Discord messages with then they see the Discord messages with then they see the Discord messages with Haley and then you know then Tyler says, Haley and then you know then Tyler says, Haley and then you know then Tyler says, "Well, you know, we were just playing "Well, you know, we were just playing "Well, you know, we were just playing video games, you know, including video games, you know, including video games, you know, including Roblox." And then Haley Haley asked him Roblox." And then Haley Haley asked him Roblox." And then Haley Haley asked him to pick her up and that he complied. So to pick her up and that he complied. So to pick her up and that he complied. So it's like it's all Haley's idea. I was it's like it's all Haley's idea. I was it's like it's all Haley's idea. I was just helping out the girl. Really? It it just helping out the girl. Really? It it just helping out the girl. Really? It it I mean what is a grown man? I mean I mean what is a grown man? I mean I mean what is a grown man? I mean >> I mean let let's be honest here, okay? >> I mean let let's be honest here, okay? >> I mean let let's be honest here, okay? Most grown men are not coming to the Most grown men are not coming to the Most grown men are not coming to the rescue of somebody in another state.

rescue of somebody in another state. rescue of somebody in another state. Okay, a minor in another state unless Okay, a minor in another state unless Okay, a minor in another state unless it's for nefarious purposes. I mean, it's for nefarious purposes. I mean, it's for nefarious purposes. I mean, that's a general rule. Um, and um, that that's a general rule. Um, and um, that that's a general rule. Um, and um, that to me says, "Oh, this guy's lying. He's to me says, "Oh, this guy's lying. He's to me says, "Oh, this guy's lying. He's up to no good." So, eventually officers up to no good." So, eventually officers up to no good." So, eventually officers poke lots of holes in Tyler's story poke lots of holes in Tyler's story poke lots of holes in Tyler's story about where I dropped her off. Said, "I about where I dropped her off. Said, "I about where I dropped her off. Said, "I dropped her off somewhere in Eaten." dropped her off somewhere in Eaten." dropped her off somewhere in Eaten." Well, that that that of course was not Well, that that that of course was not Well, that that that of course was not true. Finally, they also confirmed with true. Finally, they also confirmed with true. Finally, they also confirmed with the Airbnb owner that Tyler had stayed the Airbnb owner that Tyler had stayed the Airbnb owner that Tyler had stayed there with another person, had a there with another person, had a there with another person, had a reservation. So that's So you have to reservation. So that's So you have to reservation. So that's So you have to understand there are police in two understand there are police in two understand there are police in two jurisdictions here. jurisdictions here. jurisdictions here. >> You have the police in Indiana and then >> You have the police in Indiana and then >> You have the police in Indiana and then you have the police in Ohio where you have the police in Ohio where you have the police in Ohio where authorities believe the murder took authorities believe the murder took authorities believe the murder took place and they're the ones serving the place and they're the ones serving the place and they're the ones serving the search warrants for all the locations search warrants for all the locations search warrants for all the locations where she may have been. I'll tell you where she may have been. I'll tell you where she may have been. I'll tell you what I did like very much about the law what I did like very much about the law what I did like very much about the law enforcement activity here. It seemed enforcement activity here. It seemed enforcement activity here. It seemed that they were working as a cohesive that they were working as a cohesive that they were working as a cohesive group. It seemed that they both shared group. It seemed that they both shared group. It seemed that they both shared information that when federal law information that when federal law information that when federal law enforcement got involved, they did they enforcement got involved, they did they enforcement got involved, they did they all the all of these agencies and that's all the all of these agencies and that's all the all of these agencies and that's a very big deal Anna as you know that a very big deal Anna as you know that a very big deal Anna as you know that you know you don't want one agency in a you know you don't want one agency in a you know you don't want one agency in a different state not communicating with different state not communicating with different state not communicating with another especially when there's crime another especially when there's crime another especially when there's crime scenes in both places right um and scenes in both places right um and scenes in both places right um and they're sharing information and so you they're sharing information and so you they're sharing information and so you know the the barking dog and the plate know the the barking dog and the plate know the the barking dog and the plate reader in one state and then the Airbnb reader in one state and then the Airbnb reader in one state and then the Airbnb investigation and the other they I I was

investigation and the other they I I was investigation and the other they I I was so impressed at how cohesive these law so impressed at how cohesive these law so impressed at how cohesive these law enforcement agencies were and and this enforcement agencies were and and this enforcement agencies were and and this is in a pretty short period of time. I is in a pretty short period of time. I is in a pretty short period of time. I mean, all of this is going on within, mean, all of this is going on within, mean, all of this is going on within, you know, within a week. They've got a you know, within a week. They've got a you know, within a week. They've got a lot of information. lot of information. lot of information. >> They do. They do. And it would be almost >> They do. They do. And it would be almost >> They do. They do. And it would be almost a month before they would find her a month before they would find her a month before they would find her remains. And that, of course, remains. And that, of course, remains. And that, of course, >> because Tyler took them there. Although >> because Tyler took them there. Although >> because Tyler took them there. Although they would have gone to that location they would have gone to that location they would have gone to that location simply because his GPS showed on his simply because his GPS showed on his simply because his GPS showed on his phone that he was there for 5 hours. phone that he was there for 5 hours. phone that he was there for 5 hours. Like what are you doing here? Like what are you doing here? Like what are you doing here? >> Snow there was snow. There was hard >> Snow there was snow. There was hard >> Snow there was snow. There was hard dirt. Um you know him pinpointing it dirt. Um you know him pinpointing it dirt. Um you know him pinpointing it certainly made their job a lot easier. certainly made their job a lot easier. certainly made their job a lot easier. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So police in >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So police in >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So police in Ohio got a search warrant for his home. Ohio got a search warrant for his home. Ohio got a search warrant for his home. Uh as you said, Tyler waved his Uh as you said, Tyler waved his Uh as you said, Tyler waved his constitutional rights and consented to constitutional rights and consented to constitutional rights and consented to an interview with officers at the an interview with officers at the an interview with officers at the Columbus Police Department. This would Columbus Police Department. This would Columbus Police Department. This would have been now January 18th. She have been now January 18th. She have been now January 18th. She disappeared on the 6th. According to disappeared on the 6th. According to disappeared on the 6th. According to Tyler, he and Haley played these video Tyler, he and Haley played these video Tyler, he and Haley played these video game games on Roadblocks and League of game games on Roadblocks and League of game games on Roadblocks and League of Legends over a year prior to her Legends over a year prior to her Legends over a year prior to her appearance disappearance, excuse me, appearance disappearance, excuse me, appearance disappearance, excuse me, officers, you know, asked Tyler, "Well, officers, you know, asked Tyler, "Well, officers, you know, asked Tyler, "Well, you knew she was a minor." And he kind you knew she was a minor." And he kind you knew she was a minor." And he kind of like skirts that. Well, and then he's of like skirts that. Well, and then he's of like skirts that. Well, and then he's like, "Well, then I learned she was like, "Well, then I learned she was like, "Well, then I learned she was close to 88. She was going to be 18 close to 88. She was going to be 18 close to 88. She was going to be 18 soon." Soon soon." Soon soon." Soon >> soon. [clears throat] >> soon. [clears throat] >> soon. [clears throat] >> Soon.

>> Soon. >> Soon. >> Yeah. Okay. So, finally he does admit he >> Yeah. Okay. So, finally he does admit he >> Yeah. Okay. So, finally he does admit he picks up Haley and that they had picks up Haley and that they had picks up Haley and that they had actually considered doing this closer to actually considered doing this closer to actually considered doing this closer to Christmas time. So, this plan was in the Christmas time. So, this plan was in the Christmas time. So, this plan was in the works for some time and they pushed it works for some time and they pushed it works for some time and they pushed it back to January. Not sure why. back to January. Not sure why. back to January. Not sure why. >> Which, by the way, I don't I don't want >> Which, by the way, I don't I don't want >> Which, by the way, I don't I don't want to underscore the importance of that. to underscore the importance of that. to underscore the importance of that. Right. Right. So, you know, when when a Right. Right. So, you know, when when a Right. Right. So, you know, when when a a when a murder case or these cases go a when a murder case or these cases go a when a murder case or these cases go and you're talking about premeditation, and you're talking about premeditation, and you're talking about premeditation, you're talking about premeditation and you're talking about premeditation and you're talking about premeditation and then you're piecing together things then you're piecing together things then you're piecing together things like, well, this had been in the works like, well, this had been in the works like, well, this had been in the works for a while, right? This was not just for a while, right? This was not just for a while, right? This was not just sort of a spur-of-the- moment thing. And sort of a spur-of-the- moment thing. And sort of a spur-of-the- moment thing. And he um you know, he said, "Oh, well, we he um you know, he said, "Oh, well, we he um you know, he said, "Oh, well, we were we were plan, you know, we were were we were plan, you know, we were were we were plan, you know, we were planning on I was planning on picking planning on I was planning on picking planning on I was planning on picking her up a time before. I mean, I'm you, her up a time before. I mean, I'm you, her up a time before. I mean, I'm you, if I'm the prosecutor, I'm using that in if I'm the prosecutor, I'm using that in if I'm the prosecutor, I'm using that in premeditation. premeditation. premeditation. >> That makes sense, right? >> That makes sense, right? >> That makes sense, right? >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. >> So, um, now this is what I find >> So, um, now this is what I find >> So, um, now this is what I find interesting. When he's being questioned, interesting. When he's being questioned, interesting. When he's being questioned, he's telling police that that he's he's telling police that that he's he's telling police that that he's certain that Haley is still alive. It's certain that Haley is still alive. It's certain that Haley is still alive. It's all part of this like halftruth, half all part of this like halftruth, half all part of this like halftruth, half lies that he's concocting here. And then lies that he's concocting here. And then lies that he's concocting here. And then of the officers say, "Well, would you of the officers say, "Well, would you of the officers say, "Well, would you tell me if she were dead and you had tell me if she were dead and you had tell me if she were dead and you had killed her?" And they're like, "Well, killed her?" And they're like, "Well, killed her?" And they're like, "Well, no, he says, "No, I wouldn't tell you no, he says, "No, I wouldn't tell you no, he says, "No, I wouldn't tell you that."

that." that." >> So, Ann, I've I've been doing this 30 >> So, Ann, I've I've been doing this 30 >> So, Ann, I've I've been doing this 30 years and um I I've never heard a years and um I I've never heard a years and um I I've never heard a statement, "No, I wouldn't I wouldn't statement, "No, I wouldn't I wouldn't statement, "No, I wouldn't I wouldn't tell you." I mean, you either say, "Were tell you." I mean, you either say, "Were tell you." I mean, you either say, "Were have you heard anyone any defendant say have you heard anyone any defendant say have you heard anyone any defendant say something like that? I thought that was something like that? I thought that was something like that? I thought that was a very strange confession." a very strange confession." a very strange confession." Not like it was it was No, I wouldn't Not like it was it was No, I wouldn't Not like it was it was No, I wouldn't tell you. I I didn't want it to get back tell you. I I didn't want it to get back tell you. I I didn't want it to get back to her family. to her family. to her family. >> But it kind of sounds truthful to me. Of >> But it kind of sounds truthful to me. Of >> But it kind of sounds truthful to me. Of course I wouldn't tell you if I killed course I wouldn't tell you if I killed course I wouldn't tell you if I killed her. It's like, you know, stuck in her. It's like, you know, stuck in her. It's like, you know, stuck in between the lies are some truths, between the lies are some truths, between the lies are some truths, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> That to me is like, well, of course you >> That to me is like, well, of course you >> That to me is like, well, of course you wouldn't tell, wouldn't tell, wouldn't tell, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> That's what's so confusing about this >> That's what's so confusing about this >> That's what's so confusing about this guy, guy, guy, >> right? [sighs and gasps] >> right? [sighs and gasps] >> right? [sighs and gasps] >> So, all right. Um, he starts shutting >> So, all right. Um, he starts shutting >> So, all right. Um, he starts shutting down now. Tyler's shutting down because down now. Tyler's shutting down because down now. Tyler's shutting down because he doesn't like where this questioning he doesn't like where this questioning he doesn't like where this questioning is going. Oh, I'm sorry, Tyler. Did is going. Oh, I'm sorry, Tyler. Did is going. Oh, I'm sorry, Tyler. Did somebody hurt your feelings over there? somebody hurt your feelings over there? somebody hurt your feelings over there? Oh my god. All right. So, Oh my god. All right. So, Oh my god. All right. So, then they continue to search Tyler's then they continue to search Tyler's then they continue to search Tyler's phone, and that's when it gets um phone, and that's when it gets um phone, and that's when it gets um unbelievably unbelievably unbelievably dark, dark, dark, dark as in the federal dark, dark, dark, dark as in the federal dark, dark, dark, dark as in the federal complaint. So, he was complaint. So, he was complaint. So, he was >> communicating with several minors and um >> communicating with several minors and um >> communicating with several minors and um you know, he was flat out telling these you know, he was flat out telling these you know, he was flat out telling these minors that he wanted, minors that he wanted, minors that he wanted, what was it? Teen, young meat, what was it? Teen, young meat, what was it? Teen, young meat, something. Again, I'm not going to go something. Again, I'm not going to go something. Again, I'm not going to go into the details of into the details of into the details of >> it's horrific, but I I believe there was >> it's horrific, but I I believe there was >> it's horrific, but I I believe there was some communication with someone that was some communication with someone that was some communication with someone that was like between the ages or some photo like between the ages or some photo like between the ages or some photo between the ages of seven and 10 years between the ages of seven and 10 years between the ages of seven and 10 years old.

old. old. >> There's some Yeah. horrific. >> There's some Yeah. horrific. >> There's some Yeah. horrific. >> Awful. Awful. >> Awful. Awful. >> Awful. Awful. >> And I really want to get to even though >> And I really want to get to even though >> And I really want to get to even though we spoke about this, the young girl who we spoke about this, the young girl who we spoke about this, the young girl who was apparently cutting herself, hurting was apparently cutting herself, hurting was apparently cutting herself, hurting herself, the fact that he would herself, the fact that he would herself, the fact that he would encourage her to encourage her to encourage her to >> I mean, this is this is like boogeyman >> I mean, this is this is like boogeyman >> I mean, this is this is like boogeyman stuff, right? I mean, this is the stuff stuff, right? I mean, this is the stuff stuff, right? I mean, this is the stuff where it is your wor as a parent, it's where it is your wor as a parent, it's where it is your wor as a parent, it's your worst nightmare. And then people your worst nightmare. And then people your worst nightmare. And then people like this, if he did it, if he did it like this, if he did it, if he did it like this, if he did it, if he did it allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, um, this is this is your worst um, this is this is your worst um, this is this is your worst nightmare. It's your worst nightmare. nightmare. It's your worst nightmare. nightmare. It's your worst nightmare. >> It's so awful. And then the graphic >> It's so awful. And then the graphic >> It's so awful. And then the graphic pictures and the videos that they that pictures and the videos that they that pictures and the videos that they that police say that they found on his phone police say that they found on his phone police say that they found on his phone that show Haley in these incredibly that show Haley in these incredibly that show Haley in these incredibly compromised and graphic positions compromised and graphic positions compromised and graphic positions that look just like the furniture in the that look just like the furniture in the that look just like the furniture in the Airbnb, Airbnb, Airbnb, >> right? I mean there there >> right? I mean there there >> right? I mean there there there is um in in terms of the strength there is um in in terms of the strength there is um in in terms of the strength of the evidence in this case.

of the evidence in this case. of the evidence in this case. >> Um those pictures that place both of >> Um those pictures that place both of >> Um those pictures that place both of them at the scene and the the the them at the scene and the the the them at the scene and the the the bedding and the furniture in the Airbnb. bedding and the furniture in the Airbnb. bedding and the furniture in the Airbnb. Um that's that's pretty strong. That's Um that's that's pretty strong. That's Um that's that's pretty strong. That's pretty strong evidence. Um it I mean pretty strong evidence. Um it I mean pretty strong evidence. Um it I mean obviously it's shocking. Um, and it is obviously it's shocking. Um, and it is obviously it's shocking. Um, and it is it's it's just awful to see, but in it's it's just awful to see, but in it's it's just awful to see, but in terms of strength of the prosecution's terms of strength of the prosecution's terms of strength of the prosecution's case, um, it's it's to me it's almost case, um, it's it's to me it's almost case, um, it's it's to me it's almost stronger than a confession. stronger than a confession. stronger than a confession. >> Mhm. Yeah. It's it's there. >> Mhm. Yeah. It's it's there. >> Mhm. Yeah. It's it's there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Those are the images there. You can't >> Those are the images there. You can't >> Those are the images there. You can't dispute that and you can't dispute the dispute that and you can't dispute the dispute that and you can't dispute the fact that he took authorities to where fact that he took authorities to where fact that he took authorities to where she was buried. she was buried. she was buried. >> You cannot dispute these things, >> You cannot dispute these things, >> You cannot dispute these things, >> right? I mean, then you've also got the >> right? I mean, then you've also got the >> right? I mean, then you've also got the DNA evidence. So, DNA evidence. So, DNA evidence. So, >> yeah. So on February 1st, >> yeah. So on February 1st, >> yeah. So on February 1st, just short of a month, Tyler leads just short of a month, Tyler leads just short of a month, Tyler leads authorities to Haley's body. And the authorities to Haley's body. And the authorities to Haley's body. And the only reason he could do that is because only reason he could do that is because only reason he could do that is because he buried her. I mean, there's he buried her. I mean, there's he buried her. I mean, there's really no other explanation for that.

really no other explanation for that. really no other explanation for that. And he does it with the lawyer. And I And he does it with the lawyer. And I And he does it with the lawyer. And I wonder I wonder Anna if there was some wonder I wonder Anna if there was some wonder I wonder Anna if there was some discussion that we don't know about um discussion that we don't know about um discussion that we don't know about um as to maybe taking the death penalty off as to maybe taking the death penalty off as to maybe taking the death penalty off the table if if he leads if he leads the table if if he leads if he leads the table if if he leads if he leads them to the body. Um as a defense them to the body. Um as a defense them to the body. Um as a defense attorney um by trade. I I think that attorney um by trade. I I think that attorney um by trade. I I think that that, you know, maybe a conversation was that, you know, maybe a conversation was that, you know, maybe a conversation was had where they say, "Look, we'll give had where they say, "Look, we'll give had where they say, "Look, we'll give you we'll we'll we'll send we'll we will you we'll we'll we'll send we'll we will you we'll we'll we'll send we'll we will show you where the body is so that the show you where the body is so that the show you where the body is so that the family can finally have a little piece family can finally have a little piece family can finally have a little piece in that um if you take the death penalty in that um if you take the death penalty in that um if you take the death penalty off the table." I don't know that that off the table." I don't know that that off the table." I don't know that that happened, but that would not be unusual. happened, but that would not be unusual. happened, but that would not be unusual. >> No, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be at >> No, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be at >> No, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be at all. And so many times prosecutors have all. And so many times prosecutors have all. And so many times prosecutors have tried this. And as you said at the top, tried this. And as you said at the top, tried this. And as you said at the top, very few defendants ever reveal where very few defendants ever reveal where very few defendants ever reveal where the body is. Even after they're the body is. Even after they're the body is. Even after they're convicted, even after all their appeals convicted, even after all their appeals convicted, even after all their appeals are exhausted, they still won't tell. are exhausted, they still won't tell. are exhausted, they still won't tell. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it leaves these families >> Yeah. Yeah. And it leaves these families >> Yeah. Yeah. And it leaves these families in just horrible limbo and, you know, in just horrible limbo and, you know, in just horrible limbo and, you know, and this reoccurring nightmare. I mean, and this reoccurring nightmare. I mean, and this reoccurring nightmare. I mean, even more so cuz they haven't been able even more so cuz they haven't been able even more so cuz they haven't been able to to give them a proper uh funeral.

to to give them a proper uh funeral. to to give them a proper uh funeral. >> Yeah. So three days later, Tyler is >> Yeah. So three days later, Tyler is >> Yeah. So three days later, Tyler is charged federally with sexual charged federally with sexual charged federally with sexual exploitation of a minor in travel and exploitation of a minor in travel and exploitation of a minor in travel and interstate commerce where they intend to interstate commerce where they intend to interstate commerce where they intend to engage in illicit sexual conduct. engage in illicit sexual conduct. engage in illicit sexual conduct. Additionally, he has been charged in Additionally, he has been charged in Additionally, he has been charged in Franklin County with pandering sexually Franklin County with pandering sexually Franklin County with pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor and oriented material involving a minor and oriented material involving a minor and tampering with evidence. Tyler's tampering with evidence. Tyler's tampering with evidence. Tyler's attorney says that he will enter not attorney says that he will enter not attorney says that he will enter not guilty p. He says his client has been guilty p. He says his client has been guilty p. He says his client has been cooperative, cooperative, cooperative, that he helped police find Haley, that he helped police find Haley, that he helped police find Haley, and that he told reporters again that he and that he told reporters again that he and that he told reporters again that he may have done some despicable things, may have done some despicable things, may have done some despicable things, but kill Haley. He did not. Okay, the but kill Haley. He did not. Okay, the but kill Haley. He did not. Okay, the cooperation's not here. The cooperation's not here. The cooperation's not here. The cooperation's not going to help him that cooperation's not going to help him that cooperation's not going to help him that much. Okay, we talked a little bit about much. Okay, we talked a little bit about much. Okay, we talked a little bit about it. Um, you know, he may he may they may it. Um, you know, he may he may they may it. Um, you know, he may he may they may have taken the death penalty off have taken the death penalty off have taken the death penalty off eventually or something like that. Um eventually or something like that. Um eventually or something like that. Um but um you know the the the um these are but um you know the the the um these are but um you know the the the um these are as horrific of facts as one can imagine.

as horrific of facts as one can imagine. as horrific of facts as one can imagine. Um one of the charges alone um he's Um one of the charges alone um he's Um one of the charges alone um he's looking at 30 years. Um and you know you looking at 30 years. Um and you know you looking at 30 years. Um and you know you at some point you you tack on a murder at some point you you tack on a murder at some point you you tack on a murder murder charge which I do believe will murder charge which I do believe will murder charge which I do believe will happen. Um which is a life in prison happen. Um which is a life in prison happen. Um which is a life in prison case. Um, this guy is going to spend, in case. Um, this guy is going to spend, in case. Um, this guy is going to spend, in my opinion, if convicted, decades and my opinion, if convicted, decades and my opinion, if convicted, decades and decades and decades of his life in decades and decades of his life in decades and decades of his life in prison. prison. prison. >> I hope so. >> I hope so. >> I hope so. >> If convicted. >> If convicted. >> If convicted. >> Yeah. If convicted. I hope so. I hope >> Yeah. If convicted. I hope so. I hope >> Yeah. If convicted. I hope so. I hope so. So, while all of this is going on, so. So, while all of this is going on, so. So, while all of this is going on, Haley's parents have been working with Haley's parents have been working with Haley's parents have been working with lawmakers in Indiana and Ohio to protect lawmakers in Indiana and Ohio to protect lawmakers in Indiana and Ohio to protect all the other Haley's out there. On all the other Haley's out there. On all the other Haley's out there. On April 1st, Indiana's governor signed two April 1st, Indiana's governor signed two April 1st, Indiana's governor signed two bills into law that were spearheaded bills into law that were spearheaded bills into law that were spearheaded by Haley's tragedy, Haley's laws. by Haley's tragedy, Haley's laws. by Haley's tragedy, Haley's laws. Law number one, it will now, and this Law number one, it will now, and this Law number one, it will now, and this has been signed in Indiana, it will now has been signed in Indiana, it will now has been signed in Indiana, it will now require teens, kids under 15 and under, require teens, kids under 15 and under, require teens, kids under 15 and under, so 16 and under, but you must be 15. so 16 and under, but you must be 15. so 16 and under, but you must be 15. It's It's one of those things. I kept It's It's one of those things. I kept It's It's one of those things. I kept rereading it and they were very specific rereading it and they were very specific rereading it and they were very specific about this. You will now have to get about this. You will now have to get about this. You will now have to get parental consent in order to be on a parental consent in order to be on a parental consent in order to be on a social media or gaming platform. And the social media or gaming platform. And the social media or gaming platform. And the age verification will work this way. You age verification will work this way. You age verification will work this way. You will now have to be linked to your will now have to be linked to your will now have to be linked to your parents account, right?

parents account, right? parents account, right? >> And you know what? Here's what I like >> And you know what? Here's what I like >> And you know what? Here's what I like about that back there. You all are going about that back there. You all are going about that back there. You all are going to hate this, but what I like about it to hate this, but what I like about it to hate this, but what I like about it is one of the biggest things that is one of the biggest things that is one of the biggest things that parents always say, you know, here's the parents always say, you know, here's the parents always say, you know, here's the other thing, and I'm going to tell the other thing, and I'm going to tell the other thing, and I'm going to tell the young people behind you. You may think young people behind you. You may think young people behind you. You may think that we your parents want to know that we your parents want to know that we your parents want to know everything going on in your life. Like everything going on in your life. Like everything going on in your life. Like there are certain things we really don't there are certain things we really don't there are certain things we really don't want to know, right? Okay. That come want to know, right? Okay. That come want to know, right? Okay. That come with certain ages and stuff like that. with certain ages and stuff like that. with certain ages and stuff like that. We It's not that we want to be snoopy. We It's not that we want to be snoopy. We It's not that we want to be snoopy. We just want to protect you. So what I We just want to protect you. So what I We just want to protect you. So what I like about this is that now the parents like about this is that now the parents like about this is that now the parents can monitor the account because their can monitor the account because their can monitor the account because their account is linked to it. Do you all account is linked to it. Do you all account is linked to it. Do you all think that that's too intrusive? think that that's too intrusive? think that that's too intrusive? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> I think Look, I think that what are they >> I think Look, I think that what are they >> I think Look, I think that what are they going to say, right? going to say, right? going to say, right? >> They're afraid to say no to me. I >> They're afraid to say no to me. I >> They're afraid to say no to me. I understand. [laughter] But, you know, I understand. [laughter] But, you know, I understand. [laughter] But, you know, I had them do this research and I want to had them do this research and I want to had them do this research and I want to share I want to share this because I, share I want to share this because I, share I want to share this because I, you know, I don't use Roblox. I don't, you know, I don't use Roblox. I don't, you know, I don't use Roblox. I don't, you know, I don't know enough about it. you know, I don't know enough about it. you know, I don't know enough about it. But, Anna, the um the stats about But, Anna, the um the stats about But, Anna, the um the stats about Discord is that there are 690 million Discord is that there are 690 million Discord is that there are 690 million registered users. Okay. Um 259 million registered users. Okay. Um 259 million registered users. Okay. Um 259 million are active monthly users and the average are active monthly users and the average are active monthly users and the average age is 16. Okay.

age is 16. Okay. age is 16. Okay. 144 million daily active users on Roblox 144 million daily active users on Roblox 144 million daily active users on Roblox and about 40% of the daily users are and about 40% of the daily users are and about 40% of the daily users are under the age of 13. So wow the right I under the age of 13. So wow the right I under the age of 13. So wow the right I mean that to me the the the reach here mean that to me the the the reach here mean that to me the the the reach here is unbelievable and we talk about a is unbelievable and we talk about a is unbelievable and we talk about a digital playground for these predators. digital playground for these predators. digital playground for these predators. um you know it it it are we doing a um you know it it it are we doing a um you know it it it are we doing a whack-a-ole when we try to impose these whack-a-ole when we try to impose these whack-a-ole when we try to impose these laws because they they I I had these laws because they they I I had these laws because they they I I had these these uh these wonderful interns um these uh these wonderful interns um these uh these wonderful interns um start to look at these laws for me. You start to look at these laws for me. You start to look at these laws for me. You know Indiana's enacted a law, Arkansas, know Indiana's enacted a law, Arkansas, know Indiana's enacted a law, Arkansas, New Jersey, Texas, Kentucky, Nebraska, New Jersey, Texas, Kentucky, Nebraska, New Jersey, Texas, Kentucky, Nebraska, Louisiana and Tennessee, Oklahoma. Um, Louisiana and Tennessee, Oklahoma. Um, Louisiana and Tennessee, Oklahoma. Um, and you know, um, outside this country, and you know, um, outside this country, and you know, um, outside this country, Australia's banned social media for Australia's banned social media for Australia's banned social media for under 16, France has banned social media under 16, France has banned social media under 16, France has banned social media for children under 15. Turkey, no social for children under 15. Turkey, no social for children under 15. Turkey, no social media for children under 15. Malaysia media for children under 15. Malaysia media for children under 15. Malaysia and the UA UAE um, bars children under and the UA UAE um, bars children under and the UA UAE um, bars children under 16 and 15 for registering or having 16 and 15 for registering or having 16 and 15 for registering or having social media. China does something the social media. China does something the social media. China does something the same. And then the UK just announced same. And then the UK just announced same. And then the UK just announced this. So, so I think the trend, whether this. So, so I think the trend, whether this. So, so I think the trend, whether kids like it or not, kids like it or not, kids like it or not, >> the trend is we need to protect these >> the trend is we need to protect these >> the trend is we need to protect these kids. They don't even realize the kids. They don't even realize the kids. They don't even realize the dangers out there. And how do we do

dangers out there. And how do we do dangers out there. And how do we do that? Do we ban social media entirely to that? Do we ban social media entirely to that? Do we ban social media entirely to because because self-reporting and age because because self-reporting and age because because self-reporting and age verification? verification? verification? Um, I don't know if that's enough. Um, I don't know if that's enough. Um, I don't know if that's enough. >> Yeah, I don't I don't know. And it's >> Yeah, I don't I don't know. And it's >> Yeah, I don't I don't know. And it's it's so complicated, especially when you it's so complicated, especially when you it's so complicated, especially when you bring in personal liberties and freedoms bring in personal liberties and freedoms bring in personal liberties and freedoms of speech. But we're talking about of speech. But we're talking about of speech. But we're talking about minors here. And look, I'll be honest, minors here. And look, I'll be honest, minors here. And look, I'll be honest, you know, I follow my well, my godson's you know, I follow my well, my godson's you know, I follow my well, my godson's now 18, just turned 18, but I was now 18, just turned 18, but I was now 18, just turned 18, but I was following my godson and godaughter on following my godson and godaughter on following my godson and godaughter on social media. And my son, I like to social media. And my son, I like to social media. And my son, I like to know, like, I don't really care. How can know, like, I don't really care. How can know, like, I don't really care. How can I put this? Do you know what I'm saying? I put this? Do you know what I'm saying? I put this? Do you know what I'm saying? But that you and I actually have a life. But that you and I actually have a life. But that you and I actually have a life. So we don't we don't spend all day every So we don't we don't spend all day every So we don't we don't spend all day every day checking the personal likes, day checking the personal likes, day checking the personal likes, dislikes of our children. But but by the dislikes of our children. But but by the dislikes of our children. But but by the way, God forbid some I want if I if I way, God forbid some I want if I if I way, God forbid some I want if I if I haven't heard from them for a minute, I haven't heard from them for a minute, I haven't heard from them for a minute, I want to know where they are. I want if want to know where they are. I want if want to know where they are. I want if it's been hours and hours and I've been it's been hours and hours and I've been it's been hours and hours and I've been reaching out and there's nothing. Um reaching out and there's nothing. Um reaching out and there's nothing. Um thank god we have this. Thank God we thank god we have this. Thank God we thank god we have this. Thank God we have this. But I'm not interested in who have this. But I'm not interested in who have this. But I'm not interested in who who they think is cute today. I'm not who they think is cute today. I'm not who they think is cute today. I'm not real interested in that, but I am real interested in that, but I am real interested in that, but I am interested in case there's something interested in case there's something interested in case there's something goes wrong. I want to add one more goes wrong. I want to add one more goes wrong. I want to add one more really interesting statistic. Um, and really interesting statistic. Um, and really interesting statistic. Um, and that is that roadblocks reported to the that is that roadblocks reported to the that is that roadblocks reported to the National Center for Missing and National Center for Missing and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children showing 675 Exploited Children showing 675 Exploited Children showing 675 suspected child sex exploitation cases

suspected child sex exploitation cases suspected child sex exploitation cases in 2019. And that number grew to more in 2019. And that number grew to more in 2019. And that number grew to more than 13,000 in 2023. than 13,000 in 2023. than 13,000 in 2023. Yeah. I don't Yeah. I don't Yeah. I don't >> So, it's real. >> So, it's real. >> So, it's real. >> It is real. And Haley's murder is proof >> It is real. And Haley's murder is proof >> It is real. And Haley's murder is proof of this, of this, of this, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It is proof of this. Um, and this is, >> It is proof of this. Um, and this is, >> It is proof of this. Um, and this is, this is the worstc case scenario. And this is the worstc case scenario. And this is the worstc case scenario. And again, I, you know, with all the young again, I, you know, with all the young again, I, you know, with all the young people behind you, it's just, it is so people behind you, it's just, it is so people behind you, it's just, it is so hard to be a parent. We are scared all hard to be a parent. We are scared all hard to be a parent. We are scared all the time, the time, the time, >> right? And and you want to strike a >> right? And and you want to strike a >> right? And and you want to strike a balance between, you know, allowing your balance between, you know, allowing your balance between, you know, allowing your children, I mean, you don't want to children, I mean, you don't want to children, I mean, you don't want to shelter them so much that when they get shelter them so much that when they get shelter them so much that when they get out into the real world, um, they are so out into the real world, um, they are so out into the real world, um, they are so naive that they fall prey anyway. naive that they fall prey anyway. naive that they fall prey anyway. >> Um, but it's it's a very tough balance. >> Um, but it's it's a very tough balance. >> Um, but it's it's a very tough balance. It's a very very tough balance. And I'll It's a very very tough balance. And I'll It's a very very tough balance. And I'll tell you, my my heart I mean my this is tell you, my my heart I mean my this is tell you, my my heart I mean my this is I mean for for Haley's parents um just I mean for for Haley's parents um just I mean for for Haley's parents um just horrific. and um the fact that that they horrific. and um the fact that that they horrific. and um the fact that that they are using their grief um to make change are using their grief um to make change are using their grief um to make change um and you know they're turning their um and you know they're turning their um and you know they're turning their voices into something um that that voices into something um that that voices into something um that that really changes the law. Um that's pretty really changes the law. Um that's pretty really changes the law. Um that's pretty incredible. But th this case is um it it incredible. But th this case is um it it incredible. But th this case is um it it was tough to read. It was tough to um was tough to read. It was tough to um was tough to read. It was tough to um get into to the facts of this case. Um, get into to the facts of this case. Um, get into to the facts of this case. Um, but as always, I hope that what you and but as always, I hope that what you and but as always, I hope that what you and I have discussed today, um, you know, if

I have discussed today, um, you know, if I have discussed today, um, you know, if it saves or helps anybody, um, we we I'm it saves or helps anybody, um, we we I'm it saves or helps anybody, um, we we I'm it's my honor to do to cover it. it's my honor to do to cover it. it's my honor to do to cover it. >> I know they they they seem like really >> I know they they they seem like really >> I know they they they seem like really special people. Like it makes me wonder special people. Like it makes me wonder special people. Like it makes me wonder like how amazing Haley was, right? This like how amazing Haley was, right? This like how amazing Haley was, right? This is her family. How how wonderful were is her family. How how wonderful were is her family. How how wonderful were these people that they can do this? these people that they can do this? these people that they can do this? Let's talk about the second law. Let's talk about the second law. Let's talk about the second law. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Haley. So this the other law, this is >> Haley. So this the other law, this is >> Haley. So this the other law, this is interesting. This goes back to what you interesting. This goes back to what you interesting. This goes back to what you were talking about in uh an endangered were talking about in uh an endangered were talking about in uh an endangered person. So uh the other law enhances person. So uh the other law enhances person. So uh the other law enhances what they call their silver alert. And what they call their silver alert. And what they call their silver alert. And this is kind of like an Amber Alert, but this is kind of like an Amber Alert, but this is kind of like an Amber Alert, but it's not, you know, the Amber Alert is it's not, you know, the Amber Alert is it's not, you know, the Amber Alert is about a child who's just been abducted about a child who's just been abducted about a child who's just been abducted and and getting the information out via and and getting the information out via and and getting the information out via text and on highways so people can be on text and on highways so people can be on text and on highways so people can be on the lookout either for that child. It's the lookout either for that child. It's the lookout either for that child. It's it's about trying to save a child from it's about trying to save a child from it's about trying to save a child from that's just been abducted. Those are the that's just been abducted. Those are the that's just been abducted. Those are the parameters. So a silver alert, parameters. So a silver alert, parameters. So a silver alert, >> you know, is let's sometimes you have an >> you know, is let's sometimes you have an >> you know, is let's sometimes you have an endangered person like a senior with endangered person like a senior with endangered person like a senior with Alzheimer's who's been gone for 12 hours Alzheimer's who's been gone for 12 hours Alzheimer's who's been gone for 12 hours and and you they need help. So that's and and you they need help. So that's and and you they need help. So that's kind of what a silver alert is. So now kind of what a silver alert is. So now kind of what a silver alert is. So now in Indiana, they are expanding a silver in Indiana, they are expanding a silver in Indiana, they are expanding a silver alert to include runaways because she alert to include runaways because she alert to include runaways because she again was 17 and they thought, well, did again was 17 and they thought, well, did again was 17 and they thought, well, did she leave of her own accord? And now she leave of her own accord? And now she leave of her own accord? And now police will have the ability to classify police will have the ability to classify police will have the ability to classify runaway cases as endangered. So it and

runaway cases as endangered. So it and runaway cases as endangered. So it and it broadens the definition so you can it broadens the definition so you can it broadens the definition so you can get the alerts out. get the alerts out. get the alerts out. >> I think fabulous. Great. I I I do. Um, >> I think fabulous. Great. I I I do. Um, >> I think fabulous. Great. I I I do. Um, and I also have that the bill proposes and I also have that the bill proposes and I also have that the bill proposes additional SEC um, child safety additional SEC um, child safety additional SEC um, child safety measures, including creating a statewide measures, including creating a statewide measures, including creating a statewide security camera registry. Um, requiring security camera registry. Um, requiring security camera registry. Um, requiring grooming awareness education in schools, grooming awareness education in schools, grooming awareness education in schools, which I really important which I really important which I really important >> is great. Um, and establishing what they >> is great. Um, and establishing what they >> is great. Um, and establishing what they call a pink alert system for missing call a pink alert system for missing call a pink alert system for missing children who do not qualify for an Amber children who do not qualify for an Amber children who do not qualify for an Amber Alert. So, um, I think that that's Alert. So, um, I think that that's Alert. So, um, I think that that's really good. I mean that that to me is really good. I mean that that to me is really good. I mean that that to me is making a difference especially the making a difference especially the making a difference especially the educational part of it. educational part of it. educational part of it. >> Yes. And the fact that they accomplished >> Yes. And the fact that they accomplished >> Yes. And the fact that they accomplished this in three months that they got it this in three months that they got it this in three months that they got it through the state house and they got the through the state house and they got the through the state house and they got the governor's signature is extraordinary in governor's signature is extraordinary in governor's signature is extraordinary in these political times. It's just it's these political times. It's just it's these political times. It's just it's extraordinary. And now there is a extraordinary. And now there is a extraordinary. And now there is a congressman from Indiana who's congressman from Indiana who's congressman from Indiana who's introduced a bill in Congress. Nothing introduced a bill in Congress. Nothing introduced a bill in Congress. Nothing will move that swiftly there. But he will move that swiftly there. But he will move that swiftly there. But he wants to expand the definition of an wants to expand the definition of an wants to expand the definition of an Amber Alert, which as we said is limited Amber Alert, which as we said is limited Amber Alert, which as we said is limited to an abduction to include high-risk to an abduction to include high-risk to an abduction to include high-risk situations beyond the abduction of a situations beyond the abduction of a situations beyond the abduction of a child also.

child also. child also. >> That would be great. >> That would be great. >> That would be great. >> Really incredible. Incredible. I think >> Really incredible. Incredible. I think >> Really incredible. Incredible. I think that will make a big difference. that will make a big difference. that will make a big difference. >> So Tyler remains behind bars in the >> So Tyler remains behind bars in the >> So Tyler remains behind bars in the Franklin County Jail. He's on um being Franklin County Jail. He's on um being Franklin County Jail. He's on um being held on $1.5 million bond. Um, held on $1.5 million bond. Um, held on $1.5 million bond. Um, now this is interesting and I'm curious. now this is interesting and I'm curious. now this is interesting and I'm curious. I would really love for you to explain I would really love for you to explain I would really love for you to explain this. So, Indiana legislators, they're this. So, Indiana legislators, they're this. So, Indiana legislators, they're the ones who have filed the lawsuit the ones who have filed the lawsuit the ones who have filed the lawsuit against roadblocks roadblocks and against roadblocks roadblocks and against roadblocks roadblocks and Discord. Discord. Discord. They have they have and I will tell you They have they have and I will tell you They have they have and I will tell you a bit about it because we actually went a bit about it because we actually went a bit about it because we actually went into it. Um and um essentially they they into it. Um and um essentially they they into it. Um and um essentially they they are saying that um are saying that um are saying that um technology and social media companies technology and social media companies technology and social media companies have a responsibility to prioritize have a responsibility to prioritize have a responsibility to prioritize safety and the well-being of children safety and the well-being of children safety and the well-being of children um who use their platforms. um who use their platforms. um who use their platforms. And far too often, families are left And far too often, families are left And far too often, families are left navigating dangerous online environments navigating dangerous online environments navigating dangerous online environments without transparency, protection, and without transparency, protection, and without transparency, protection, and the urgency they deserve. Um, the urgency they deserve. Um, the urgency they deserve. Um, parents parents parents have a right to make informed decisions have a right to make informed decisions have a right to make informed decisions and these these um lawsuits are that and these these um lawsuits are that and these these um lawsuits are that they are deceptive in their consumer.

they are deceptive in their consumer. they are deceptive in their consumer. They're violating the Consumer Sales They're violating the Consumer Sales They're violating the Consumer Sales Act. um they um they're using they know Act. um they um they're using they know Act. um they um they're using they know that their platforms are being used to that their platforms are being used to that their platforms are being used to lure and groom underage children and lure and groom underage children and lure and groom underage children and that their uh age verification systems that their uh age verification systems that their uh age verification systems just aren't strong enough. And by the just aren't strong enough. And by the just aren't strong enough. And by the way, these are lawsuits um these are way, these are lawsuits um these are way, these are lawsuits um these are lawsuits basically all over the country. lawsuits basically all over the country. lawsuits basically all over the country. I mean, um, where where, um, the state I mean, um, where where, um, the state I mean, um, where where, um, the state is stepping in and saying, "You need to is stepping in and saying, "You need to is stepping in and saying, "You need to stop these practices." And, um, they're stop these practices." And, um, they're stop these practices." And, um, they're asking for monetary damages, um, asking for monetary damages, um, asking for monetary damages, um, penalties of up to $5,000 for knowing penalties of up to $5,000 for knowing penalties of up to $5,000 for knowing violation um, and to and to reimburse violation um, and to and to reimburse violation um, and to and to reimburse the attorney general for their the attorney general for their the attorney general for their investigative losses and costs. And investigative losses and costs. And investigative losses and costs. And $5,000 may not seem like a lot, but $5,000 may not seem like a lot, but $5,000 may not seem like a lot, but that's per occurrence. M that's per occurrence. M that's per occurrence. M >> and when I'm talking about the fact that >> and when I'm talking about the fact that >> and when I'm talking about the fact that there's millions of users, that's a lot there's millions of users, that's a lot there's millions of users, that's a lot of occurrences.

of occurrences. of occurrences. >> It is. But you know what frustrates me >> It is. But you know what frustrates me >> It is. But you know what frustrates me is a few years ago I I did a podcast is a few years ago I I did a podcast is a few years ago I I did a podcast with Dr. Laura Burman and um her husband with Dr. Laura Burman and um her husband with Dr. Laura Burman and um her husband and their son Sammy um died of a drug and their son Sammy um died of a drug and their son Sammy um died of a drug overdose because the drugs that he overdose because the drugs that he overdose because the drugs that he ordered on Snapchat were laced with ordered on Snapchat were laced with ordered on Snapchat were laced with fentinyl. fentinyl. fentinyl. And they have fought Was that a case And they have fought Was that a case And they have fought Was that a case local to Los Angeles? local to Los Angeles? local to Los Angeles? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Oh, he went to a local high school. What >> Oh, he went to a local high school. What >> Oh, he went to a local high school. What a horrible situation. I I didn't know a horrible situation. I I didn't know a horrible situation. I I didn't know how it ended. So, how it ended. So, how it ended. So, >> what happened? >> what happened? >> what happened? >> So, so sadly, he he dies from the >> So, so sadly, he he dies from the >> So, so sadly, he he dies from the fentinel poisoning and then they have fentinel poisoning and then they have fentinel poisoning and then they have tried to sue Snapchat and everyone tried to sue Snapchat and everyone tried to sue Snapchat and everyone because because because they wanted to know who sold him the they wanted to know who sold him the they wanted to know who sold him the drugs. If in other cases, especially drugs. If in other cases, especially drugs. If in other cases, especially celebrities, we hold dealers accountable celebrities, we hold dealers accountable celebrities, we hold dealers accountable for the death, why can't for the death, why can't for the death, why can't other dealers be held accountable for other dealers be held accountable for other dealers be held accountable for our children? And they have had one our children? And they have had one our children? And they have had one roadblock after another after another, roadblock after another after another, roadblock after another after another, and it is heartbreaking. They have tried and it is heartbreaking. They have tried and it is heartbreaking. They have tried so hard to pass Sammy's law and get so hard to pass Sammy's law and get so hard to pass Sammy's law and get things changed. And I I just, you know, things changed. And I I just, you know, things changed. And I I just, you know, and maybe that's because that was a few and maybe that's because that was a few and maybe that's because that was a few years back and maybe things have changed years back and maybe things have changed years back and maybe things have changed now, but the pain has not stopped.

now, but the pain has not stopped. now, but the pain has not stopped. >> And but I do, you know, I'll tell you, I >> And but I do, you know, I'll tell you, I >> And but I do, you know, I'll tell you, I do think and and I've told people this do think and and I've told people this do think and and I've told people this for so many years, the law, it lags for so many years, the law, it lags for so many years, the law, it lags behind technology. It always has. It behind technology. It always has. It behind technology. It always has. It imposing laws and creating new laws imposing laws and creating new laws imposing laws and creating new laws always lags behind. It's an unfortunate always lags behind. It's an unfortunate always lags behind. It's an unfortunate thing, but it's the truth. And so, but thing, but it's the truth. And so, but thing, but it's the truth. And so, but they're changing. They're changing. And they're changing. They're changing. And they're changing. They're changing. And one example that is very different than one example that is very different than one example that is very different than this case is that, you know, a few years this case is that, you know, a few years this case is that, you know, a few years ago, if you killed somebody in the state ago, if you killed somebody in the state ago, if you killed somebody in the state of California was while speeding and you of California was while speeding and you of California was while speeding and you you didn't have drugs or alcohol in your you didn't have drugs or alcohol in your you didn't have drugs or alcohol in your system, um, but the only the only, uh, system, um, but the only the only, uh, system, um, but the only the only, uh, violation was ex was speeding. Um, you violation was ex was speeding. Um, you violation was ex was speeding. Um, you know, they would have never considered know, they would have never considered know, they would have never considered charging you as a seconddegree murderer charging you as a seconddegree murderer charging you as a seconddegree murderer ever. ever. ever. um that has changed. um that has changed. um that has changed. >> So, so things do change and you're >> So, so things do change and you're >> So, so things do change and you're right, the law moves at the speed of right, the law moves at the speed of right, the law moves at the speed of molasses. I understand that. Um and and molasses. I understand that. Um and and molasses. I understand that. Um and and there was, you know, there was these there was, you know, there was these there was, you know, there was these initial arguments with social media initial arguments with social media initial arguments with social media sites that look, we're just hosting the sites that look, we're just hosting the sites that look, we're just hosting the discussion. We're not part of the discussion. We're not part of the discussion. We're not part of the discussion. We're just sort of the discussion. We're just sort of the discussion. We're just sort of the platform and you know, we can't police platform and you know, we can't police platform and you know, we can't police every conversation that goes on. Um but every conversation that goes on. Um but every conversation that goes on. Um but lawsuit after lawsuit and victory after lawsuit after lawsuit and victory after lawsuit after lawsuit and victory after victory is showing no no no you bear victory is showing no no no you bear victory is showing no no no you bear some of the responsibility and the some of the responsibility and the some of the responsibility and the burden and the liability. So things are burden and the liability. So things are burden and the liability. So things are changing. Um and and I think it will changing. Um and and I think it will changing. Um and and I think it will only continue to do so.

only continue to do so. only continue to do so. >> I hope so. So I have a question here for >> I hope so. So I have a question here for >> I hope so. So I have a question here for you Miss Allison. Would any of your you Miss Allison. Would any of your you Miss Allison. Would any of your students like to students like to students like to talk about something that they've heard talk about something that they've heard talk about something that they've heard or about this case that they have or about this case that they have or about this case that they have something they'd like to share with us? something they'd like to share with us? something they'd like to share with us? >> I think that will be a yes. >> I think that will be a yes. >> I think that will be a yes. >> I love this. For those of you who are >> I love this. For those of you who are >> I love this. For those of you who are listening, we're having one of our listening, we're having one of our listening, we're having one of our college interns step into the chair um college interns step into the chair um college interns step into the chair um to talk to us about this case. Hi, to talk to us about this case. Hi, to talk to us about this case. Hi, what's your name? what's your name? what's your name? >> Hi, I'm Baron. >> Hi, I'm Baron. >> Hi, I'm Baron. >> And what uh college do you go to? >> And what uh college do you go to? >> And what uh college do you go to? >> I go to San Diego State. >> I go to San Diego State. >> I go to San Diego State. >> And you want to be an attorney? >> And you want to be an attorney? >> And you want to be an attorney? >> I do. >> I do. >> I do. >> Okay. So what was it about this case >> Okay. So what was it about this case >> Okay. So what was it about this case about Haley Busby's case that either about Haley Busby's case that either about Haley Busby's case that either struck you or you think is important for struck you or you think is important for struck you or you think is important for us to understand? us to understand? us to understand? >> So a lot of the research that I did >> So a lot of the research that I did >> So a lot of the research that I did pertained to the legislation that other pertained to the legislation that other pertained to the legislation that other countries have passed um regarding countries have passed um regarding countries have passed um regarding social media which Allison mostly social media which Allison mostly social media which Allison mostly covered. But what I thought was really covered. But what I thought was really covered. But what I thought was really interesting about the Indiana lawsuit interesting about the Indiana lawsuit interesting about the Indiana lawsuit was them accusing these platforms of was them accusing these platforms of was them accusing these platforms of purposefully marketing towards child purposefully marketing towards child purposefully marketing towards child safety and marketing themselves as safety and marketing themselves as safety and marketing themselves as really caring about children and really caring about children and really caring about children and catering to children and then knowingly catering to children and then knowingly catering to children and then knowingly allowing these predators to access their allowing these predators to access their allowing these predators to access their platforms. And these are things that um platforms. And these are things that um platforms. And these are things that um there's evidence of them knowing these there's evidence of them knowing these there's evidence of them knowing these situations happening on their platforms situations happening on their platforms situations happening on their platforms and doing nothing about them. The age and doing nothing about them. The age and doing nothing about them. The age verification process hasn't been updated verification process hasn't been updated verification process hasn't been updated um regardless of these lawsuits. So that um regardless of these lawsuits. So that um regardless of these lawsuits. So that was what I thought was worthy of note.

was what I thought was worthy of note. was what I thought was worthy of note. >> And I'm just curious, you know, you've >> And I'm just curious, you know, you've >> And I'm just curious, you know, you've heard Allison and I talking about this heard Allison and I talking about this heard Allison and I talking about this really coming from it as parents and the really coming from it as parents and the really coming from it as parents and the panic that we have. And I mean, how do panic that we have. And I mean, how do panic that we have. And I mean, how do you as a young person h how do you you as a young person h how do you you as a young person h how do you explain to us or reconcile your privacy, explain to us or reconcile your privacy, explain to us or reconcile your privacy, your growing up, your experimentation your growing up, your experimentation your growing up, your experimentation with the pressures of parents who are with the pressures of parents who are with the pressures of parents who are worried about you? Yeah. I feel like worried about you? Yeah. I feel like worried about you? Yeah. I feel like growing up, I feel like all of us growing up, I feel like all of us growing up, I feel like all of us probably experienced this with being probably experienced this with being probably experienced this with being told about all of these situations and told about all of these situations and told about all of these situations and not inciting fear amongst us, but just not inciting fear amongst us, but just not inciting fear amongst us, but just warnings of what could happen to you. warnings of what could happen to you. warnings of what could happen to you. And I have a little brother who's 13 and And I have a little brother who's 13 and And I have a little brother who's 13 and is on Roblox and on Discord and I find is on Roblox and on Discord and I find is on Roblox and on Discord and I find myself to be more concerned because I myself to be more concerned because I myself to be more concerned because I feel like parents don't know the extent feel like parents don't know the extent feel like parents don't know the extent of activity that could go on on these of activity that could go on on these of activity that could go on on these platforms. So knowing some of these platforms. So knowing some of these platforms. So knowing some of these things that could happen like I as an things that could happen like I as an things that could happen like I as an older sibling feel that fear probably older sibling feel that fear probably older sibling feel that fear probably not to the extent that you guys do but not to the extent that you guys do but not to the extent that you guys do but to some degree I do understand where to some degree I do understand where to some degree I do understand where that fear comes from and it is so that fear comes from and it is so that fear comes from and it is so important to educate these young people important to educate these young people important to educate these young people on the dangers of these social media on the dangers of these social media on the dangers of these social media platforms and the transitional factors platforms and the transitional factors platforms and the transitional factors that go from Roblox to more private that go from Roblox to more private that go from Roblox to more private browsers. Um so I get it. you do need to browsers. Um so I get it. you do need to browsers. Um so I get it. you do need to go through all of these motions and go through all of these motions and go through all of these motions and explain to everyone what dangers explain to everyone what dangers explain to everyone what dangers [clears throat] could go on regardless [clears throat] could go on regardless [clears throat] could go on regardless if that takes a little bit away from if that takes a little bit away from if that takes a little bit away from their privacy on these platforms.

their privacy on these platforms. their privacy on these platforms. >> Thank you. I appreciate Anna, Anna, >> Thank you. I appreciate Anna, Anna, >> Thank you. I appreciate Anna, Anna, there's one that I want that I actually there's one that I want that I actually there's one that I want that I actually think is so important for our listeners think is so important for our listeners think is so important for our listeners and that is in in our conversation um and that is in in our conversation um and that is in in our conversation um one of our interns um Jesse um was one of our interns um Jesse um was one of our interns um Jesse um was talking about how um there that um talking about how um there that um talking about how um there that um Roblox Roblox Roblox there there's different sites and that there there's different sites and that there there's different sites and that um Discord was not the one that he was um Discord was not the one that he was um Discord was not the one that he was most concerned about that that that they most concerned about that that that they most concerned about that that that they really weren't dark web stuff. And so if really weren't dark web stuff. And so if really weren't dark web stuff. And so if he can just speak for a minute about um he can just speak for a minute about um he can just speak for a minute about um ones that parents should sort of really ones that parents should sort of really ones that parents should sort of really keep an eye on or give me because I keep an eye on or give me because I keep an eye on or give me because I didn't know enough about it. Um is that didn't know enough about it. Um is that didn't know enough about it. Um is that something you want to discuss? something you want to discuss? something you want to discuss? >> Sure. Let's do it. We'll keep it quick. >> Sure. Let's do it. We'll keep it quick. >> Sure. Let's do it. We'll keep it quick. I know it's a runaway podcast, Allison. I know it's a runaway podcast, Allison. I know it's a runaway podcast, Allison. Runway. Runway. Runway. >> It always is. It always is. All right, >> It always is. It always is. All right, >> It always is. It always is. All right, Jesse. And they may edit it out. They Jesse. And they may edit it out. They Jesse. And they may edit it out. They may include it. Who knows? may include it. Who knows? may include it. Who knows? >> Yes. We don't know. Who knows what >> Yes. We don't know. Who knows what >> Yes. We don't know. Who knows what Will's going to do. [laughter] Will's going to do. [laughter] Will's going to do. [laughter] >> Hi. What's your name? >> Hi. What's your name? >> Hi. What's your name? >> My name is Jesse. Okay. And what school >> My name is Jesse. Okay. And what school >> My name is Jesse. Okay. And what school do you go to? Uh do you go to? Uh do you go to? Uh >> I just graduated from CU Boulder.

>> I just graduated from CU Boulder. >> I just graduated from CU Boulder. >> Wow. Congratulations. Excellent. >> Wow. Congratulations. Excellent. >> Wow. Congratulations. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. So, what is it that Excellent. Okay. So, what is it that Excellent. Okay. So, what is it that you're concerned about? you're concerned about? you're concerned about? >> Um I think the encryption has a really >> Um I think the encryption has a really >> Um I think the encryption has a really big uh play in pretty much all of these big uh play in pretty much all of these big uh play in pretty much all of these platforms. And uh one specifically that platforms. And uh one specifically that platforms. And uh one specifically that um when speaking to Allison, I didn't um when speaking to Allison, I didn't um when speaking to Allison, I didn't really think that Discord played such a really think that Discord played such a really think that Discord played such a big uh part in this because I was big uh part in this because I was big uh part in this because I was actually completely unaware as to um you actually completely unaware as to um you actually completely unaware as to um you know how many people especially of a know how many people especially of a know how many people especially of a young age were on it and um how the young age were on it and um how the young age were on it and um how the amount of older people on it is so amount of older people on it is so amount of older people on it is so disproportionate to um the younger um disproportionate to um the younger um disproportionate to um the younger um audience. Um, so an app that I really audience. Um, so an app that I really audience. Um, so an app that I really kind of have concern with is called kind of have concern with is called kind of have concern with is called Telegram. Telegram. Telegram. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> um, if you know Telegram, um, the level >> um, if you know Telegram, um, the level >> um, if you know Telegram, um, the level of encryption and, um, there's lots of of encryption and, um, there's lots of of encryption and, um, there's lots of history of child exploitation, drug history of child exploitation, drug history of child exploitation, drug deals, um, dark web situations, black deals, um, dark web situations, black deals, um, dark web situations, black market stuff. Um, and that's really market stuff. Um, and that's really market stuff. Um, and that's really where I assume that all of this kind of where I assume that all of this kind of where I assume that all of this kind of conversation happened because of the conversation happened because of the conversation happened because of the level of encryption there. So, I was level of encryption there. So, I was level of encryption there. So, I was really surprised to see that Discord was really surprised to see that Discord was really surprised to see that Discord was um [clears throat] um [clears throat] um [clears throat] the website that this all occurred on the website that this all occurred on the website that this all occurred on where um I personally know of some other where um I personally know of some other where um I personally know of some other websites like Telegram that play in my websites like Telegram that play in my websites like Telegram that play in my opinion much larger risk.

opinion much larger risk. opinion much larger risk. >> And I I have to admit to you, Jesse, >> And I I have to admit to you, Jesse, >> And I I have to admit to you, Jesse, that um having done this podcast for so that um having done this podcast for so that um having done this podcast for so many years and and covering these cases, many years and and covering these cases, many years and and covering these cases, Telegram comes up all the time in Telegram comes up all the time in Telegram comes up all the time in criminal complaints. And if it isn't criminal complaints. And if it isn't criminal complaints. And if it isn't necessarily to lure a young person, it's necessarily to lure a young person, it's necessarily to lure a young person, it's in the commission of a crime, in the commission of a crime, in the commission of a crime, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So, um, my god, you know, >> So, um, my god, you know, >> So, um, my god, you know, I just feel like we're completely under I just feel like we're completely under I just feel like we're completely under attack here. Just completely under attack here. Just completely under attack here. Just completely under attack. attack. attack. >> Thank you, Jesse. I appreciate it. >> Thank you, Jesse. I appreciate it. >> Thank you, Jesse. I appreciate it. >> Okay, let's get our runaway podcast back >> Okay, let's get our runaway podcast back >> Okay, let's get our runaway podcast back on track. [laughter] on track. [laughter] on track. [laughter] I I I >> mean, you know, you know me, Anna. I >> mean, you know, you know me, Anna. I >> mean, you know, you know me, Anna. I mean, I can't help that. mean, I can't help that. mean, I can't help that. >> Well, I didn't know you were showing up >> Well, I didn't know you were showing up >> Well, I didn't know you were showing up with an audience, but with an audience, but with an audience, but >> Well, you know, um, it you know. Okay. >> Well, you know, um, it you know. Okay. >> Well, you know, um, it you know. Okay. So, um All right. So, we need to So, um All right. So, we need to So, um All right. So, we need to transition now. So, I I think the last transition now. So, I I think the last transition now. So, I I think the last thing I want to to leave everybody thing I want to to leave everybody thing I want to to leave everybody thinking about is that Haley Busby thinking about is that Haley Busby thinking about is that Haley Busby is everyone's child. is everyone's child. is everyone's child. And that's that's how I want to end this And that's that's how I want to end this And that's that's how I want to end this this discussion to remember her and to this discussion to remember her and to this discussion to remember her and to remember she is remember she is remember she is a child of all of us.

a child of all of us. a child of all of us. >> Yeah. And and if I can add, you know, >> Yeah. And and if I can add, you know, >> Yeah. And and if I can add, you know, the one takeaway I had is, you know, the one takeaway I had is, you know, the one takeaway I had is, you know, these parents have done everything. these parents have done everything. these parents have done everything. They've done everything. Um, and you They've done everything. Um, and you They've done everything. Um, and you know, the the my heart breaks for them. know, the the my heart breaks for them. know, the the my heart breaks for them. Um, but it reminds me just everybody, Um, but it reminds me just everybody, Um, but it reminds me just everybody, keep checking in with your child. Keep keep checking in with your child. Keep keep checking in with your child. Keep checking in. How are you doing? Let's checking in. How are you doing? Let's checking in. How are you doing? Let's talk a little bit about their mental talk a little bit about their mental talk a little bit about their mental health. Let's see what they're, you health. Let's see what they're, you health. Let's see what they're, you know, um, and if you pay for that phone, know, um, and if you pay for that phone, know, um, and if you pay for that phone, right, you pay for the data, um, don't right, you pay for the data, um, don't right, you pay for the data, um, don't don't be afraid to do a deep dive. All don't be afraid to do a deep dive. All don't be afraid to do a deep dive. All right, it is time for our comment right, it is time for our comment right, it is time for our comment section, but as part of this Runaway section, but as part of this Runaway section, but as part of this Runaway podcast, we're doing things differently. podcast, we're doing things differently. podcast, we're doing things differently. Our producer, Will Updike, is here, and Our producer, Will Updike, is here, and Our producer, Will Updike, is here, and he has just made the call from the he has just made the call from the he has just made the call from the control booth that he doesn't want to do control booth that he doesn't want to do control booth that he doesn't want to do our regular comment section. What do you our regular comment section. What do you our regular comment section. What do you want to do, Will? want to do, Will? want to do, Will? >> Well, we've had these these fine folks, >> Well, we've had these these fine folks, >> Well, we've had these these fine folks, they're dressed up, they're camera they're dressed up, they're camera they're dressed up, they're camera ready, they've been sitting here all ready, they've been sitting here all ready, they've been sitting here all podcast. I I I'd love to, if they're podcast. I I I'd love to, if they're podcast. I I I'd love to, if they're willing, come on, tell the listeners a willing, come on, tell the listeners a willing, come on, tell the listeners a little bit u where they went to school, little bit u where they went to school, little bit u where they went to school, an interesting fact about themselves, an interesting fact about themselves, an interesting fact about themselves, and maybe why they're interested in the and maybe why they're interested in the and maybe why they're interested in the law. I I think that that'd be a lot of law. I I think that that'd be a lot of law. I I think that that'd be a lot of fun. I was just going to this segment fun. I was just going to this segment fun. I was just going to this segment was just going to be devoted to Timothy was just going to be devoted to Timothy was just going to be devoted to Timothy the raccoon, which if you haven't the raccoon, which if you haven't the raccoon, which if you haven't [laughter] heard about this story, uh it [laughter] heard about this story, uh it [laughter] heard about this story, uh it is a raccoon from the Seattle area. He is a raccoon from the Seattle area. He is a raccoon from the Seattle area. He has a very short spine due to a uh a has a very short spine due to a uh a has a very short spine due to a uh a sort of uh a I mean, some would call it sort of uh a I mean, some would call it sort of uh a I mean, some would call it a deformity. I I would say it's it's a deformity. I I would say it's it's a deformity. I I would say it's it's differently aabled, but because of this, differently aabled, but because of this, differently aabled, but because of this, he has he has these very weird he has he has these very weird he has he has these very weird proportions where his arms are all his proportions where his arms are all his proportions where his arms are all his limbs are all very long, but his spine

limbs are all very long, but his spine limbs are all very long, but his spine is very short. This was captured by an is very short. This was captured by an is very short. This was captured by an Instagram user named Clever Girl. But Instagram user named Clever Girl. But Instagram user named Clever Girl. But he's really captivated uh a lot of he's really captivated uh a lot of he's really captivated uh a lot of people in the local Seattle area and people in the local Seattle area and people in the local Seattle area and really across the world. Uh there's really across the world. Uh there's really across the world. Uh there's murals painted of him. Different teams murals painted of him. Different teams murals painted of him. Different teams have like used him as their mascot, have like used him as their mascot, have like used him as their mascot, including the Mariners. Uh so yeah, if including the Mariners. Uh so yeah, if including the Mariners. Uh so yeah, if if if you haven't if you somehow have if if you haven't if you somehow have if if you haven't if you somehow have missed Jimothy the raccoon, look him up. missed Jimothy the raccoon, look him up. missed Jimothy the raccoon, look him up. But we have all these folks here. It But we have all these folks here. It But we have all these folks here. It feels like a shame to not hear a little feels like a shame to not hear a little feels like a shame to not hear a little bit about them after they've heard us bit about them after they've heard us bit about them after they've heard us speaking for the last hour. So, uh, speaking for the last hour. So, uh, speaking for the last hour. So, uh, yeah, let's yeah, let's yeah, let's >> That's amazing. And by the way, I didn't >> That's amazing. And by the way, I didn't >> That's amazing. And by the way, I didn't know anything about the raccoon. So, know anything about the raccoon. So, know anything about the raccoon. So, while they while they while they >> look up Jimy look up while they talk, >> look up Jimy look up while they talk, >> look up Jimy look up while they talk, I'm going to look up the raccoon. All I'm going to look up the raccoon. All I'm going to look up the raccoon. All right, here we go. right, here we go. right, here we go. >> Who wants to do Who wants to go up? You >> Who wants to do Who wants to go up? You >> Who wants to do Who wants to go up? You just go left to right. All right. just go left to right. All right. just go left to right. All right. >> Now, for those of you who are listening >> Now, for those of you who are listening >> Now, for those of you who are listening and not watching, Allison has to get out and not watching, Allison has to get out and not watching, Allison has to get out of the chair and let the college student of the chair and let the college student of the chair and let the college student get into the chair for this. Okay, who get into the chair for this. Okay, who get into the chair for this. Okay, who do we have here? do we have here? do we have here? >> Hi, I'm Danielle. I go to Vanderbilt >> Hi, I'm Danielle. I go to Vanderbilt >> Hi, I'm Danielle. I go to Vanderbilt University. University. University. >> Oh, wow. Congratulations. >> Oh, wow. Congratulations. >> Oh, wow. Congratulations. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Uh, so tell us an interesting fact about >> Uh, so tell us an interesting fact about >> Uh, so tell us an interesting fact about yourself. Can be anything. It doesn't yourself. Can be anything. It doesn't yourself. Can be anything. It doesn't You don't have to dig too deep.

You don't have to dig too deep. You don't have to dig too deep. >> I am a big reader. I love reading books. >> I am a big reader. I love reading books. >> I am a big reader. I love reading books. I actually read during co I think like I actually read during co I think like I actually read during co I think like over 200 books since we had so much free over 200 books since we had so much free over 200 books since we had so much free time. time. time. >> Oh my gosh. So, fiction, non-fiction, >> Oh my gosh. So, fiction, non-fiction, >> Oh my gosh. So, fiction, non-fiction, what are these? what are these? what are these? >> All over the place. I love going >> All over the place. I love going >> All over the place. I love going non-fiction, fiction route. Um, I just non-fiction, fiction route. Um, I just non-fiction, fiction route. Um, I just love reading in general. So, yeah. love reading in general. So, yeah. love reading in general. So, yeah. >> That's incredible. And, uh, so what year >> That's incredible. And, uh, so what year >> That's incredible. And, uh, so what year are you in college right now? are you in college right now? are you in college right now? >> I'm going into my senior year, which is >> I'm going into my senior year, which is >> I'm going into my senior year, which is really exciting. I'm super really exciting. I'm super really exciting. I'm super >> Oh, congratulations. And what made you >> Oh, congratulations. And what made you >> Oh, congratulations. And what made you want to study the law? want to study the law? want to study the law? >> I just think it's really interesting to >> I just think it's really interesting to >> I just think it's really interesting to know about the world, and there's just know about the world, and there's just know about the world, and there's just so much into the law that applies to so much into the law that applies to so much into the law that applies to every place. It can go into any job every place. It can go into any job every place. It can go into any job sector. I also think it's just sector. I also think it's just sector. I also think it's just fascinating that you learn all these fascinating that you learn all these fascinating that you learn all these super specific things that you thought super specific things that you thought super specific things that you thought you would never know. With Allison, we you would never know. With Allison, we you would never know. With Allison, we do a lot of reading of penal codes and do a lot of reading of penal codes and do a lot of reading of penal codes and stuff like that. And I think it's just stuff like that. And I think it's just stuff like that. And I think it's just really fascinating that when you read really fascinating that when you read really fascinating that when you read the language, there's things that you'd the language, there's things that you'd the language, there's things that you'd be like, "Oh my gosh, that can change be like, "Oh my gosh, that can change be like, "Oh my gosh, that can change the way a case can go and it just the way a case can go and it just the way a case can go and it just changes everything." I think it's super changes everything." I think it's super changes everything." I think it's super fascinating. Um, with that, fascinating. Um, with that, fascinating. Um, with that, >> that's great. Is is there an area that >> that's great. Is is there an area that >> that's great. Is is there an area that you're particularly interested about the you're particularly interested about the you're particularly interested about the law or still kind of figuring it out?

law or still kind of figuring it out? law or still kind of figuring it out? >> Still kind of figuring it out. Um, I >> Still kind of figuring it out. Um, I >> Still kind of figuring it out. Um, I think this internship has been super eye think this internship has been super eye think this internship has been super eye opening to what I want to do. Um, and I opening to what I want to do. Um, and I opening to what I want to do. Um, and I just think it's been an amazing just think it's been an amazing just think it's been an amazing opportunity and I thank Allison for opportunity and I thank Allison for opportunity and I thank Allison for that. that. that. >> Oh, thank you. >> Oh, thank you. >> Oh, thank you. >> She made you go to the jail. >> She made you go to the jail. >> She made you go to the jail. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Yes, that was We did that literally this >> Yes, that was We did that literally this >> Yes, that was We did that literally this week. It was amazing. week. It was amazing. week. It was amazing. >> And the jail. >> And the jail. >> And the jail. >> Yeah, it was an amazing experience. Not >> Yeah, it was an amazing experience. Not >> Yeah, it was an amazing experience. Not what I thought it was going to be at what I thought it was going to be at what I thought it was going to be at all. The jail all. The jail all. The jail >> That was worse, wasn't it? >> That was worse, wasn't it? >> That was worse, wasn't it? >> Yeah. And the jail are completely >> Yeah. And the jail are completely >> Yeah. And the jail are completely different and they're super different different and they're super different different and they're super different experiences. Um, and it was super experiences. Um, and it was super experiences. Um, and it was super interesting to talk to people there as interesting to talk to people there as interesting to talk to people there as well. deputies, um, clients and stuff well. deputies, um, clients and stuff well. deputies, um, clients and stuff like that was super fascinating. like that was super fascinating. like that was super fascinating. >> All right, who's next in the chair? >> All right, who's next in the chair? >> All right, who's next in the chair? >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. Um, I'm Emmy and I go to the >> Hi. Um, I'm Emmy and I go to the >> Hi. Um, I'm Emmy and I go to the University of Wisconsin, Madison. University of Wisconsin, Madison. University of Wisconsin, Madison. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's great. So, uh, tell us an >> That's great. So, uh, tell us an >> That's great. So, uh, tell us an interesting fact about yourself. interesting fact about yourself. interesting fact about yourself. >> Gosh. Um, I love to bake. >> Gosh. Um, I love to bake. >> Gosh. Um, I love to bake. >> Oh, okay.

>> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> I grew up baking. Me and my mom would >> I grew up baking. Me and my mom would >> I grew up baking. Me and my mom would always, um, bake. She was a big baker always, um, bake. She was a big baker always, um, bake. She was a big baker and then I started doing it when I was and then I started doing it when I was and then I started doing it when I was little and yeah. little and yeah. little and yeah. >> Do you have >> Do you have >> Do you have >> Did you bake for Allison? [laughter] >> Did you bake for Allison? [laughter] >> Did you bake for Allison? [laughter] >> No, I'm not. >> No, I'm not. >> No, I'm not. >> This weekend >> This weekend >> This weekend I'll bring something to the office I'll bring something to the office I'll bring something to the office Monday morninging. Right. Monday morninging. Right. Monday morninging. Right. >> So, I want to hear more about the visit >> So, I want to hear more about the visit >> So, I want to hear more about the visit to prison and to jail. What What did you to prison and to jail. What What did you to prison and to jail. What What did you think of that? think of that? think of that? >> I mean, they're just such unique >> I mean, they're just such unique >> I mean, they're just such unique experiences that not a lot of people get experiences that not a lot of people get experiences that not a lot of people get to experience, obviously. Um, I think to experience, obviously. Um, I think to experience, obviously. Um, I think especially going to the prison this especially going to the prison this especially going to the prison this week, it was just such an eyeopening week, it was just such an eyeopening week, it was just such an eyeopening experience and meeting with our client. experience and meeting with our client. experience and meeting with our client. It's just I mean I feel like this is one It's just I mean I feel like this is one It's just I mean I feel like this is one reason why I want to go into the law reason why I want to go into the law reason why I want to go into the law because there's so many people out there because there's so many people out there because there's so many people out there that are in prison or in jail that that are in prison or in jail that that are in prison or in jail that deserve justice and are there for many deserve justice and are there for many deserve justice and are there for many different reasons, but we're the people different reasons, but we're the people different reasons, but we're the people that can help them or get them out and that can help them or get them out and that can help them or get them out and stuff like that. And I think that's stuff like that. And I think that's stuff like that. And I think that's really cool and really um inspiring really cool and really um inspiring really cool and really um inspiring things to work on. things to work on. things to work on. Yeah, we are we're all about justice on Yeah, we are we're all about justice on Yeah, we are we're all about justice on this podcast in many forms.

this podcast in many forms. this podcast in many forms. >> Yeah, exactly. And I I hate to like push >> Yeah, exactly. And I I hate to like push >> Yeah, exactly. And I I hate to like push you through, but we got to get to you through, but we got to get to you through, but we got to get to everybody. So, who's [laughter] next in everybody. So, who's [laughter] next in everybody. So, who's [laughter] next in the chair? We wish you the best of luck. the chair? We wish you the best of luck. the chair? We wish you the best of luck. >> We're [clears throat] speed interviewing >> We're [clears throat] speed interviewing >> We're [clears throat] speed interviewing over here. over here. over here. >> We have to. It is. It's a speed podcast. >> We have to. It is. It's a speed podcast. >> We have to. It is. It's a speed podcast. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Hi, I'm Lily. I go to the University of >> Hi, I'm Lily. I go to the University of >> Hi, I'm Lily. I go to the University of Texas and I'm going to be Yeah. Texas and I'm going to be Yeah. Texas and I'm going to be Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, what's your interesting fact? >> So, what's your interesting fact? >> So, what's your interesting fact? Um, I guess my interesting fact is I've Um, I guess my interesting fact is I've Um, I guess my interesting fact is I've always been really interested in like always been really interested in like always been really interested in like true crime shows like Dline and stuff true crime shows like Dline and stuff true crime shows like Dline and stuff and podcasts. I've always listened to and podcasts. I've always listened to and podcasts. I've always listened to those. those. those. >> You better >> You better >> You better 2020. They're all people. 2020. They're all people. 2020. They're all people. >> Yes, I do work for 2020. So, we >> Yes, I do work for 2020. So, we >> Yes, I do work for 2020. So, we appreciate you acknowledging them. So, appreciate you acknowledging them. So, appreciate you acknowledging them. So, um, all right. So, you're a young person um, all right. So, you're a young person um, all right. So, you're a young person and you're into these podcasts. Uh, why and you're into these podcasts. Uh, why and you're into these podcasts. Uh, why do you like the podcast experience maybe do you like the podcast experience maybe do you like the podcast experience maybe different than you would a docu series? different than you would a docu series? different than you would a docu series? I think it kind of goes in depth. Then I think it kind of goes in depth. Then I think it kind of goes in depth. Then you can also maybe like go like a little you can also maybe like go like a little you can also maybe like go like a little runaway and kind of get into more like runaway and kind of get into more like runaway and kind of get into more like away from the facts to see what builds away from the facts to see what builds away from the facts to see what builds up to the case and what plays a role in up to the case and what plays a role in up to the case and what plays a role in it. And I think especially with this it. And I think especially with this it. And I think especially with this internship, I've seen like the way the internship, I've seen like the way the internship, I've seen like the way the justice system works and how it's all justice system works and how it's all justice system works and how it's all interchangeable and it all work has to interchangeable and it all work has to interchangeable and it all work has to work together for anything to function.

work together for anything to function. work together for anything to function. And I think kind of like with this And I think kind of like with this And I think kind of like with this podcast, we saw like how the laws were podcast, we saw like how the laws were podcast, we saw like how the laws were changing in Haley's case and how that changing in Haley's case and how that changing in Haley's case and how that works directly with law enforcement. works directly with law enforcement. works directly with law enforcement. everything. You see how it all has to everything. You see how it all has to everything. You see how it all has to work together for work together for work together for >> it's really important that you said >> it's really important that you said >> it's really important that you said context. You kind of want to understand context. You kind of want to understand context. You kind of want to understand the case. It may not necessarily the case. It may not necessarily the case. It may not necessarily necessarily be be part of the the law or necessarily be be part of the the law or necessarily be be part of the the law or the application of the law, but if you the application of the law, but if you the application of the law, but if you don't have the context of what happened don't have the context of what happened don't have the context of what happened and what led to it, you don't have an and what led to it, you don't have an and what led to it, you don't have an understanding really of the whole thing. understanding really of the whole thing. understanding really of the whole thing. And I think that's so important is the And I think that's so important is the And I think that's so important is the context of what led to a crime. context of what led to a crime. context of what led to a crime. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> And we talk about that almost every >> And we talk about that almost every >> And we talk about that almost every week, like prosecutors never have to week, like prosecutors never have to week, like prosecutors never have to supply motive, but it's so important for supply motive, but it's so important for supply motive, but it's so important for a jury. Um, [clears throat] a jury. Um, [clears throat] a jury. Um, [clears throat] >> they want to know like why would you do >> they want to know like why would you do >> they want to know like why would you do this? this? this? >> Yeah, absolutely. So, is true crime what >> Yeah, absolutely. So, is true crime what >> Yeah, absolutely. So, is true crime what got you into the law then? got you into the law then? got you into the law then? >> Yes. I think it always just fascinated >> Yes. I think it always just fascinated >> Yes. I think it always just fascinated me and seeing how it works and then I me and seeing how it works and then I me and seeing how it works and then I think this summer I've really gotten a think this summer I've really gotten a think this summer I've really gotten a firsthand experience and it's it's blown firsthand experience and it's it's blown firsthand experience and it's it's blown it's like blown my mind and really it's like blown my mind and really it's like blown my mind and really exceeded any expectations I came in exceeded any expectations I came in exceeded any expectations I came in having.

having. having. >> Wow. Allison, [laughter] >> Wow. Allison, [laughter] >> Wow. Allison, [laughter] thank you. Thank you. And good luck. All thank you. Thank you. And good luck. All thank you. Thank you. And good luck. All right. Who's next? Jesse's back. right. Who's next? Jesse's back. right. Who's next? Jesse's back. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Me again. [laughter] >> Me again. [laughter] >> Me again. [laughter] Okay. Jesse, remind us where you went to Okay. Jesse, remind us where you went to Okay. Jesse, remind us where you went to school or are going to school. school or are going to school. school or are going to school. >> I just graduated from CU Boulder. >> I just graduated from CU Boulder. >> I just graduated from CU Boulder. >> That's it. Okay. Will. >> That's it. Okay. Will. >> That's it. Okay. Will. >> All right. Tell us an interesting fact >> All right. Tell us an interesting fact >> All right. Tell us an interesting fact about yourself. about yourself. about yourself. >> Um, an interesting fact about myself is >> Um, an interesting fact about myself is >> Um, an interesting fact about myself is in my free time, I love to work on cars in my free time, I love to work on cars in my free time, I love to work on cars and go fishing. and go fishing. and go fishing. >> Oh, wow. All right, nice. And what got >> Oh, wow. All right, nice. And what got >> Oh, wow. All right, nice. And what got you into the law? you into the law? you into the law? >> Um, I actually grew up around the law. >> Um, I actually grew up around the law. >> Um, I actually grew up around the law. My dad is a PI attorney uh here in LA My dad is a PI attorney uh here in LA My dad is a PI attorney uh here in LA and and and >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> just growing up around that and um as >> just growing up around that and um as >> just growing up around that and um as much as is in our household, I plan on much as is in our household, I plan on much as is in our household, I plan on implementing that into my life as well. implementing that into my life as well. implementing that into my life as well. >> What do you want to do? What part of the >> What do you want to do? What part of the >> What do you want to do? What part of the law do you want to study or or you know law do you want to study or or you know law do you want to study or or you know become? become? become? >> Yeah, I'd actually like to practice PI >> Yeah, I'd actually like to practice PI >> Yeah, I'd actually like to practice PI um as well. Um, just like my dad. um as well. Um, just like my dad. um as well. Um, just like my dad. >> Interesting.

>> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> So cool. >> So cool. >> So cool. >> Yeah. Really, really cool. Wow. So, >> Yeah. Really, really cool. Wow. So, >> Yeah. Really, really cool. Wow. So, what's next for you since you're a what's next for you since you're a what's next for you since you're a graduate or I mean, what kind of fun graduate or I mean, what kind of fun graduate or I mean, what kind of fun summer are you having? Hanging out with summer are you having? Hanging out with summer are you having? Hanging out with Allison in prisons. Allison in prisons. Allison in prisons. >> This You're looking at my fun summer >> This You're looking at my fun summer >> This You're looking at my fun summer right now. Um, going to be studying for right now. Um, going to be studying for right now. Um, going to be studying for the ELSAT and heading off to law school. the ELSAT and heading off to law school. the ELSAT and heading off to law school. >> Wow. Cool. We wish you the best, Jesse. >> Wow. Cool. We wish you the best, Jesse. >> Wow. Cool. We wish you the best, Jesse. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. All >> Thank you. I appreciate it. All >> Thank you. I appreciate it. All >> righty. >> righty. >> righty. Okay. Who's next in the chair? We should Well, we should require all of We should Well, we should require all of our um co-hosts and guests to bring our um co-hosts and guests to bring our um co-hosts and guests to bring friends with them. [laughter] >> The more the marrier. >> The more the marrier. >> Hi. Who are you? >> Hi. Who are you? >> Hi. Who are you? >> Hello, I'm Braden. I uh I'm going to be >> Hello, I'm Braden. I uh I'm going to be >> Hello, I'm Braden. I uh I'm going to be a freshman at NYU in the fall. a freshman at NYU in the fall. a freshman at NYU in the fall. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Hi. Okay. So, you just graduated high >> Hi. Okay. So, you just graduated high >> Hi. Okay. So, you just graduated high school. Where'd you go to high school? school. Where'd you go to high school? school. Where'd you go to high school? >> Yes, I went this year. And I I was so >> Yes, I went this year. And I I was so >> Yes, I went this year. And I I was so impressed because he did his interview impressed because he did his interview impressed because he did his interview in a suit and tie in his car at high in a suit and tie in his car at high in a suit and tie in his car at high school and that's why we took him school and that's why we took him school and that's why we took him despite the fact that he was still in despite the fact that he was still in despite the fact that he was still in high school.

high school. high school. >> Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. You have >> Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. You have >> Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. You have no idea. I love that. And what high no idea. I love that. And what high no idea. I love that. And what high school did you graduate from? school did you graduate from? school did you graduate from? >> I went to Sierra Canyon, a local LA. >> I went to Sierra Canyon, a local LA. >> I went to Sierra Canyon, a local LA. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] Wow. Wow. Wow. >> Impressive. I'm so glad you wore a suit >> Impressive. I'm so glad you wore a suit >> Impressive. I'm so glad you wore a suit and tie and did it. Honestly, this makes and tie and did it. Honestly, this makes and tie and did it. Honestly, this makes me so happy. Go on. Well, me so happy. Go on. Well, me so happy. Go on. Well, >> yes. [laughter] Tell us an an an >> yes. [laughter] Tell us an an an >> yes. [laughter] Tell us an an an interesting fact about yourself. interesting fact about yourself. interesting fact about yourself. >> Uh, I'm an athlete, so I'm going to be >> Uh, I'm an athlete, so I'm going to be >> Uh, I'm an athlete, so I'm going to be playing baseball at NYU for the next playing baseball at NYU for the next playing baseball at NYU for the next four years. So, super. four years. So, super. four years. So, super. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, you know, my godson is starting NYU >> So, you know, my godson is starting NYU >> So, you know, my godson is starting NYU in the fall, too. in the fall, too. in the fall, too. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> I'm going to connect you guys. He needs >> I'm going to connect you guys. He needs >> I'm going to connect you guys. He needs a friend there. a friend there. a friend there. >> Yeah, [laughter] that'd be perfect. >> Yeah, [laughter] that'd be perfect. >> Yeah, [laughter] that'd be perfect. >> Isn't that hilarious? [clears throat] >> Isn't that hilarious? [clears throat] >> Isn't that hilarious? [clears throat] >> And of friends when we start there. So, >> And of friends when we start there. So, >> And of friends when we start there. So, that's amazing. that's amazing. that's amazing. >> And what got you into law, especially so >> And what got you into law, especially so >> And what got you into law, especially so early? Um, I think wanting to make a early? Um, I think wanting to make a early? Um, I think wanting to make a difference in the world and like it's difference in the world and like it's difference in the world and like it's already paid off in some of these cases already paid off in some of these cases already paid off in some of these cases been super rewarding getting to see them been super rewarding getting to see them been super rewarding getting to see them from beginning to end and getting to from beginning to end and getting to from beginning to end and getting to make a difference in these people's make a difference in these people's make a difference in these people's lives. And I don't want to get into any lives. And I don't want to get into any lives. And I don't want to get into any of these cases, but you know, we're not of these cases, but you know, we're not of these cases, but you know, we're not the ones trying them, but there's a lot the ones trying them, but there's a lot the ones trying them, but there's a lot of work that goes into them. And when we of work that goes into them. And when we of work that goes into them. And when we get a win in some of these cases and how get a win in some of these cases and how get a win in some of these cases and how thankful and appreciative some of these thankful and appreciative some of these thankful and appreciative some of these people are and getting to earn their people are and getting to earn their people are and getting to earn their freedom has been incredible.

freedom has been incredible. freedom has been incredible. >> Yeah. Life-changing for a lot of lot of >> Yeah. Life-changing for a lot of lot of >> Yeah. Life-changing for a lot of lot of folks that you work with. folks that you work with. folks that you work with. >> Thank you. and best of luck. >> Thank you. and best of luck. >> Thank you. and best of luck. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Oh, hello again. >> Oh, hello again. >> Oh, hello again. >> Um, I'm Baron. Um, I'm going to go into >> Um, I'm Baron. Um, I'm going to go into >> Um, I'm Baron. Um, I'm going to go into my last year at San Diego State my last year at San Diego State my last year at San Diego State University. University. University. >> Fabulous. >> Fabulous. >> Fabulous. >> Wow. And, uh, we heard a little bit of >> Wow. And, uh, we heard a little bit of >> Wow. And, uh, we heard a little bit of your, uh, legal analysis. What's an your, uh, legal analysis. What's an your, uh, legal analysis. What's an interesting fact about yourself? interesting fact about yourself? interesting fact about yourself? >> Um, I guess I do interpreting for the >> Um, I guess I do interpreting for the >> Um, I guess I do interpreting for the American Bar Association. American Bar Association. American Bar Association. >> What does that mean? Oh, so yeah, >> What does that mean? Oh, so yeah, >> What does that mean? Oh, so yeah, >> they send me letters from people that >> they send me letters from people that >> they send me letters from people that are incarcerated that are in Farsy and I are incarcerated that are in Farsy and I are incarcerated that are in Farsy and I translate them to English and then other translate them to English and then other translate them to English and then other way also. way also. way also. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh, I love this. >> Oh, I love this. >> Oh, I love this. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Really? And so did you have any special >> Really? And so did you have any special >> Really? And so did you have any special qualifications that you had to meet qualifications that you had to meet qualifications that you had to meet because obviously you need to translate because obviously you need to translate because obviously you need to translate this accurately, this accurately, this accurately, >> right? I do, but um I think it goes >> right? I do, but um I think it goes >> right? I do, but um I think it goes through different processes and they through different processes and they through different processes and they have a bunch of people that are my age have a bunch of people that are my age have a bunch of people that are my age that do it for different languages. Um that do it for different languages. Um that do it for different languages. Um there's no certification or anything, there's no certification or anything, there's no certification or anything, but just making sure that you're fluent but just making sure that you're fluent but just making sure that you're fluent in both languages and that you can read in both languages and that you can read in both languages and that you can read and write. and write. and write. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Fascinating. Wow. And so the the the >> Fascinating. Wow. And so the the the >> Fascinating. Wow. And so the the the letters that are sent to you, are they letters that are sent to you, are they letters that are sent to you, are they for an ongoing case or how does that for an ongoing case or how does that for an ongoing case or how does that like what kind of stuff do you get?

like what kind of stuff do you get? like what kind of stuff do you get? >> It's just to kind of make sure that even >> It's just to kind of make sure that even >> It's just to kind of make sure that even people who are in prison or convicted um people who are in prison or convicted um people who are in prison or convicted um have rights to the legal system and have rights to the legal system and have rights to the legal system and understand the rights that they have. understand the rights that they have. understand the rights that they have. and just because they don't speak the and just because they don't speak the and just because they don't speak the language um of the country that they're language um of the country that they're language um of the country that they're in that they're still entitled to their in that they're still entitled to their in that they're still entitled to their rights. Just make sure that they rights. Just make sure that they rights. Just make sure that they understand um what they're entitled to. understand um what they're entitled to. understand um what they're entitled to. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> Wow, that's so cool. So, what uh what >> Wow, that's so cool. So, what uh what >> Wow, that's so cool. So, what uh what got you interested in the law? got you interested in the law? got you interested in the law? >> Um I grew up my grandpa was an >> Um I grew up my grandpa was an >> Um I grew up my grandpa was an international lawyer, so I guess that international lawyer, so I guess that international lawyer, so I guess that kind of trinkles into like wanting to do kind of trinkles into like wanting to do kind of trinkles into like wanting to do the translating and stuff, and I just the translating and stuff, and I just the translating and stuff, and I just saw how many people he was able to help saw how many people he was able to help saw how many people he was able to help and the laws that he was able to uphel and the laws that he was able to uphel and the laws that he was able to uphel uphold. Um, and that kind of goes into uphold. Um, and that kind of goes into uphold. Um, and that kind of goes into this internship and it's just really this internship and it's just really this internship and it's just really cool to see again the impact that you cool to see again the impact that you cool to see again the impact that you have on people's lives and to just truly have on people's lives and to just truly have on people's lives and to just truly make a difference and I think that's make a difference and I think that's make a difference and I think that's really fascinating and cool. really fascinating and cool. really fascinating and cool. >> Wow, what a group here, Allison. There >> Wow, what a group here, Allison. There >> Wow, what a group here, Allison. There isn't a slacker among them. isn't a slacker among them. isn't a slacker among them. >> I told you it's incredible. >> I told you it's incredible. >> I told you it's incredible. >> Thank you. Best of luck to you. >> Thank you. Best of luck to you. >> Thank you. Best of luck to you. >> All right, who's next in the chair? So, >> All right, who's next in the chair? So, >> All right, who's next in the chair? So, you can only hear my voice, but Alina, you can only hear my voice, but Alina, you can only hear my voice, but Alina, who's next, has worked for me for over a who's next, has worked for me for over a who's next, has worked for me for over a year. And when I tell you superstar Anna year. And when I tell you superstar Anna year. And when I tell you superstar Anna and Will, um, I am going to miss her so and Will, um, I am going to miss her so and Will, um, I am going to miss her so much. She's going off to law school, but much. She's going off to law school, but much. She's going off to law school, but she is phenomenal.

she is phenomenal. she is phenomenal. >> Phenomenal. >> Phenomenal. >> Phenomenal. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> With an introduction like that. >> With an introduction like that. >> With an introduction like that. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Don't love it. Alina, >> Yeah. Don't love it. Alina, >> Yeah. Don't love it. Alina, >> for heaven's sakes, Elena, hi. Who are >> for heaven's sakes, Elena, hi. Who are >> for heaven's sakes, Elena, hi. Who are you and where do you go to school? Hi, you and where do you go to school? Hi, you and where do you go to school? Hi, I'm Molina. I graduated from Cornell I'm Molina. I graduated from Cornell I'm Molina. I graduated from Cornell last year. I've been with Allison for last year. I've been with Allison for last year. I've been with Allison for the last year and I'm starting at the last year and I'm starting at the last year and I'm starting at Pepperdine in a few weeks. Pepperdine in a few weeks. Pepperdine in a few weeks. [gasps and sighs] [gasps and sighs] [gasps and sighs] >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Congrats. >> Congrats. >> Congrats. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so outside of working for Allison, >> Uh, so outside of working for Allison, >> Uh, so outside of working for Allison, what's an interesting fact about what's an interesting fact about what's an interesting fact about yourself? yourself? yourself? >> I really love to experiment with cooking >> I really love to experiment with cooking >> I really love to experiment with cooking and recipes. When I went to college, and recipes. When I went to college, and recipes. When I went to college, when I had to cook for myself for the when I had to cook for myself for the when I had to cook for myself for the first time, I kind of got creative with first time, I kind of got creative with first time, I kind of got creative with it. So, that's kind of something I like it. So, that's kind of something I like it. So, that's kind of something I like to do. to do. to do. >> Oh, that's so cool. >> Oh, that's so cool. >> Oh, that's so cool. >> I love that. I love that. And what kind >> I love that. I love that. And what kind >> I love that. I love that. And what kind of law are you going to study or what do of law are you going to study or what do of law are you going to study or what do you want to do? you want to do? you want to do? >> I don't know yet. Hoping my first year >> I don't know yet. Hoping my first year >> I don't know yet. Hoping my first year will kind of help me figure that out, will kind of help me figure that out, will kind of help me figure that out, but I'm definitely going to explore and but I'm definitely going to explore and but I'm definitely going to explore and keep my options open. keep my options open. keep my options open. >> And the cool thing about a law degree, >> And the cool thing about a law degree, >> And the cool thing about a law degree, Allison, right, is you don't necessarily Allison, right, is you don't necessarily Allison, right, is you don't necessarily have to apply it specifically like to be have to apply it specifically like to be have to apply it specifically like to be a criminal defense attorney or a a criminal defense attorney or a a criminal defense attorney or a contractual or a contract specialist.

contractual or a contract specialist. contractual or a contract specialist. There's you you could have any job and There's you you could have any job and There's you you could have any job and still have your law degree and then that still have your law degree and then that still have your law degree and then that just is part of the expertise you bring just is part of the expertise you bring just is part of the expertise you bring to the table. to the table. to the table. >> Yeah. And I mean that's what I've said >> Yeah. And I mean that's what I've said >> Yeah. And I mean that's what I've said to them really throughout is that look to them really throughout is that look to them really throughout is that look um you know my world is criminal justice um you know my world is criminal justice um you know my world is criminal justice but the thing about getting a law degree but the thing about getting a law degree but the thing about getting a law degree is that not only do you not need to is that not only do you not need to is that not only do you not need to declare a specialty um that but once you declare a specialty um that but once you declare a specialty um that but once you have your your bar once you pass the bar have your your bar once you pass the bar have your your bar once you pass the bar and you're a licensed attorney you can and you're a licensed attorney you can and you're a licensed attorney you can literally do any and all types of law literally do any and all types of law literally do any and all types of law and so you don't have to limit yourself and so you don't have to limit yourself and so you don't have to limit yourself which is pretty incredible. which is pretty incredible. which is pretty incredible. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you don't necessarily >> Yeah. Yeah. And you don't necessarily >> Yeah. Yeah. And you don't necessarily have to even practice law, but you bring have to even practice law, but you bring have to even practice law, but you bring that expertise to the table. Let's say that expertise to the table. Let's say that expertise to the table. Let's say if you work for, you know, a museum, for if you work for, you know, a museum, for if you work for, you know, a museum, for example, you know, in your somehow in example, you know, in your somehow in example, you know, in your somehow in some department and your law background some department and your law background some department and your law background lends great expertise. I love it. How lends great expertise. I love it. How lends great expertise. I love it. How exciting. Congratulations. exciting. Congratulations. exciting. Congratulations. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> How many more do we have, Allison? >> How many more do we have, Allison? >> How many more do we have, Allison? They're coming out of They're coming out of They're coming out of >> How big is this room?

>> How big is this room? >> How big is this room? >> This is my tallest and our last. Okay. >> This is my tallest and our last. Okay. >> This is my tallest and our last. Okay. Oh my goodness. Oh, hello. Yes. So, Oh my goodness. Oh, hello. Yes. So, Oh my goodness. Oh, hello. Yes. So, they're cutting off your head room they're cutting off your head room they're cutting off your head room there. [laughter] there. [laughter] there. [laughter] >> So, you can get your Oh my goodness. Oh, >> So, you can get your Oh my goodness. Oh, >> So, you can get your Oh my goodness. Oh, there we go. Hello. Yes. there we go. Hello. Yes. there we go. Hello. Yes. >> Hi. How you doing? >> Hi. How you doing? >> Hi. How you doing? >> Hi. Who are you? >> Hi. Who are you? >> Hi. Who are you? >> Uh, my name is Brady. Uh, and I'm going >> Uh, my name is Brady. Uh, and I'm going >> Uh, my name is Brady. Uh, and I'm going to be a sophomore at UNCC Chapel Hill. to be a sophomore at UNCC Chapel Hill. to be a sophomore at UNCC Chapel Hill. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Uh, tell us an interesting fact about >> Uh, tell us an interesting fact about >> Uh, tell us an interesting fact about yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Uh, for the last eight years, I've >> Uh, for the last eight years, I've >> Uh, for the last eight years, I've worked with special needs kids. uh teach worked with special needs kids. uh teach worked with special needs kids. uh teach them how to play baseball and just teach them how to play baseball and just teach them how to play baseball and just teach them giving them a experience that I had them giving them a experience that I had them giving them a experience that I had when I was younger. when I was younger. when I was younger. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. And >> Wow. And >> Wow. And >> that's really incredible. >> that's really incredible. >> that's really incredible. >> What drove you to do this to to find the >> What drove you to do this to to find the >> What drove you to do this to to find the time to do this? time to do this? time to do this? >> Um I'm I've played baseball since I was >> Um I'm I've played baseball since I was >> Um I'm I've played baseball since I was 3 years old and uh I think I got injured 3 years old and uh I think I got injured 3 years old and uh I think I got injured my junior year of high school. Uh I tore my junior year of high school. Uh I tore my junior year of high school. Uh I tore my UCL so I couldn't play baseball my UCL so I couldn't play baseball my UCL so I couldn't play baseball anymore. And I think just understanding anymore. And I think just understanding anymore. And I think just understanding the experiences that I had prior to the experiences that I had prior to the experiences that I had prior to that, I just wanted to share the joy that, I just wanted to share the joy that, I just wanted to share the joy that I had with everybody.

that I had with everybody. that I had with everybody. >> Wow. My goodness, you're all so >> Wow. My goodness, you're all so >> Wow. My goodness, you're all so exceptional as human beings. [laughter] exceptional as human beings. [laughter] exceptional as human beings. [laughter] >> And what got you interested in the law? >> And what got you interested in the law? >> And what got you interested in the law? >> Uh probably my grandfather. Uh he has >> Uh probably my grandfather. Uh he has >> Uh probably my grandfather. Uh he has he's practiced law for over 50 years. he's practiced law for over 50 years. he's practiced law for over 50 years. And what's actually pretty interesting And what's actually pretty interesting And what's actually pretty interesting is that both him and Allison kind of is that both him and Allison kind of is that both him and Allison kind of share the same ideology, share the same ideology, share the same ideology, uh, which is that everybody deserves uh, which is that everybody deserves uh, which is that everybody deserves legal help. It's you may you may judge legal help. It's you may you may judge legal help. It's you may you may judge defense attorneys for representing the defense attorneys for representing the defense attorneys for representing the murderers or representing other people murderers or representing other people murderers or representing other people in quite heinous cases, but you judge in quite heinous cases, but you judge in quite heinous cases, but you judge them when they represent somebody else. them when they represent somebody else. them when they represent somebody else. But when somebody you know or a friend But when somebody you know or a friend But when somebody you know or a friend or somebody in your family needs that or somebody in your family needs that or somebody in your family needs that help, it's it's quite nice to have. help, it's it's quite nice to have. help, it's it's quite nice to have. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You always want someone to to >> Yeah. You always want someone to to >> Yeah. You always want someone to to zealously defend you, zealously defend you, zealously defend you, >> you know. Um can I say that that was >> you know. Um can I say that that was >> you know. Um can I say that that was actually really a really important thing actually really a really important thing actually really a really important thing that I wanted them to understand this that I wanted them to understand this that I wanted them to understand this summer is that look, we're going to summer is that look, we're going to summer is that look, we're going to represent some guilty people. We're represent some guilty people. We're represent some guilty people. We're going to represent some bad people, but going to represent some bad people, but going to represent some bad people, but everybody deserves a defense. And um and everybody deserves a defense. And um and everybody deserves a defense. And um and I think that we we I think a lot of them I think that we we I think a lot of them I think that we we I think a lot of them really understood how important all really understood how important all really understood how important all people that work in the criminal justice people that work in the criminal justice people that work in the criminal justice system um are just to make our system of system um are just to make our system of system um are just to make our system of justice fair for everyone.

justice fair for everyone. justice fair for everyone. >> Yeah. Thank you so much and best of luck >> Yeah. Thank you so much and best of luck >> Yeah. Thank you so much and best of luck to you. to you. to you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, Allison, jump in the chair. >> All right, Allison, jump in the chair. >> All right, Allison, jump in the chair. Will you stay? I think we're going to Will you stay? I think we're going to Will you stay? I think we're going to have to end this runaway podcast here. have to end this runaway podcast here. have to end this runaway podcast here. [laughter] Um, you you know, but thank [laughter] Um, you you know, but thank [laughter] Um, you you know, but thank you guys for doing that. I I it means so you guys for doing that. I I it means so you guys for doing that. I I it means so much to me that they they've gotten to much to me that they they've gotten to much to me that they they've gotten to experience an Anna Garcia and a Will experience an Anna Garcia and a Will experience an Anna Garcia and a Will podcast. Truly, I mean, you guys are the podcast. Truly, I mean, you guys are the podcast. Truly, I mean, you guys are the best at this. best at this. best at this. >> Oh, thank you so much and thank you for >> Oh, thank you so much and thank you for >> Oh, thank you so much and thank you for having them. Uh, this was such a a nice having them. Uh, this was such a a nice having them. Uh, this was such a a nice little change of pace to the comment little change of pace to the comment little change of pace to the comment section. Uh, as always, you can reach section. Uh, as always, you can reach section. Uh, as always, you can reach out to us uh on social media at any out to us uh on social media at any out to us uh on social media at any time. We're at my true crime news. Uh, time. We're at my true crime news. Uh, time. We're at my true crime news. Uh, that'll do it for me for this week. that'll do it for me for this week. that'll do it for me for this week. Until next week, don't do crime. Until next week, don't do crime. Until next week, don't do crime. >> Right. Well, Allison, this was a huge >> Right. Well, Allison, this was a huge >> Right. Well, Allison, this was a huge surprise. Honestly, I had no idea you surprise. Honestly, I had no idea you surprise. Honestly, I had no idea you were showing up with an audience, but were showing up with an audience, but were showing up with an audience, but I'm so glad you did. You probably knew I'm so glad you did. You probably knew I'm so glad you did. You probably knew that I'd love it. that I'd love it. that I'd love it. >> I said, "Look, Anna um is um you know, >> I said, "Look, Anna um is um you know, >> I said, "Look, Anna um is um you know, mostly prosecution all of the time. Um mostly prosecution all of the time. Um mostly prosecution all of the time. Um but I respect her. I love her. And um but I respect her. I love her. And um but I respect her. I love her. And um you know, she understands that without you know, she understands that without you know, she understands that without people like me, the system does not people like me, the system does not people like me, the system does not work. It doesn't work. Um and I I work. It doesn't work. Um and I I work. It doesn't work. Um and I I respect law enforcement. I I respect respect law enforcement. I I respect respect law enforcement. I I respect prosecutors. You know, I I um I have prosecutors. You know, I I um I have prosecutors. You know, I I um I have wonderful relationships with people in wonderful relationships with people in wonderful relationships with people in all areas, but but you have to all areas, but but you have to all areas, but but you have to understand that without without criminal understand that without without criminal understand that without without criminal defense attorneys, the system doesn't defense attorneys, the system doesn't defense attorneys, the system doesn't work.

work. work. >> No. No. Anyone could be thrown in prison >> No. No. Anyone could be thrown in prison >> No. No. Anyone could be thrown in prison for anything. No. Absolutely. No. And for anything. No. Absolutely. No. And for anything. No. Absolutely. No. And that's the thing, Allison. I know that that's the thing, Allison. I know that that's the thing, Allison. I know that you care very, very deeply and you are you care very, very deeply and you are you care very, very deeply and you are really a good human being. You're loads really a good human being. You're loads really a good human being. You're loads of fun. [laughter] Okay, Allison, where can people find you Okay, Allison, where can people find you and follow you? Um, and follow you? Um, and follow you? Um, >> so obviously my law practice, um, you >> so obviously my law practice, um, you >> so obviously my law practice, um, you know, Allison at Allison Trezel Law. Um, know, Allison at Allison Trezel Law. Um, know, Allison at Allison Trezel Law. Um, I am the legal expert at KTLA. I am the legal expert at KTLA. I am the legal expert at KTLA. Um, and stay tuned because there may be Um, and stay tuned because there may be Um, and stay tuned because there may be something really exciting in the works something really exciting in the works something really exciting in the works and I can't wait to host you and and I can't wait to host you and and I can't wait to host you and something really something really something really >> My god, I'm there. I'm there. Do I have >> My god, I'm there. I'm there. Do I have >> My god, I'm there. I'm there. Do I have to bring uh students with me? I'll find to bring uh students with me? I'll find to bring uh students with me? I'll find some. some. some. >> I want at least I want at least 20 >> I want at least I want at least 20 >> I want at least I want at least 20 people. Well, I'll find a neighbor or people. Well, I'll find a neighbor or people. Well, I'll find a neighbor or something. I'll find someone to join me. something. I'll find someone to join me. something. I'll find someone to join me. Uh, you can find me at Anna Gene News Uh, you can find me at Anna Gene News Uh, you can find me at Anna Gene News with one N. You can find everything we with one N. You can find everything we with one N. You can find everything we do at My True Crime News. Subscribe to do at My True Crime News. Subscribe to do at My True Crime News. Subscribe to our newsletter and to our YouTube our newsletter and to our YouTube our newsletter and to our YouTube channel. Can't wait to hear your channel. Can't wait to hear your channel. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on today's podcast and and and thoughts on today's podcast and and and thoughts on today's podcast and and and this horrible, horrible crime and what this horrible, horrible crime and what this horrible, horrible crime and what you think about all the laws and and the you think about all the laws and and the you think about all the laws and and the discussions about protecting young discussions about protecting young discussions about protecting young people on social media and all these people on social media and all these people on social media and all these platforms. [music] platforms. [music] platforms. [music] Anyway, until next week, this is True Anyway, until next week, this is True Anyway, until next week, this is True Crime News, the podcast. I'm your host, Crime News, the podcast. I'm your host, Crime News, the podcast. I'm your host, Anna Garcia. Crime never stops and Anna Garcia. Crime never stops and Anna Garcia. Crime never stops and neither do you. [music]