Teen accused of stepsister’s assault and murder finally jailed

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love that title. Welcome, Dr. Lesie. love that title. Welcome, Dr. Lesie. >> Thank you for having me. I'm so excited >> Thank you for having me. I'm so excited >> Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be in your presence. to be in your presence. to be in your presence. >> No, we're excited to have you. You're >> No, we're excited to have you. You're >> No, we're excited to have you. You're new to the program. Do you just want to new to the program. Do you just want to new to the program. Do you just want to tell people a little bit about what your tell people a little bit about what your tell people a little bit about what your expertise is? expertise is? expertise is? >> Sure. I'm a forensic psychologist u and >> Sure. I'm a forensic psychologist u and >> Sure. I'm a forensic psychologist u and I have worked in criminal litigation for I have worked in criminal litigation for I have worked in criminal litigation for a long time. So when mental health a long time. So when mental health a long time. So when mental health intersects with the law um and I do a intersects with the law um and I do a intersects with the law um and I do a lot of civil litigation as an expert lot of civil litigation as an expert lot of civil litigation as an expert witness now. Uh and predominantly I deal witness now. Uh and predominantly I deal witness now. Uh and predominantly I deal with sex crimes, murder and trauma. So with sex crimes, murder and trauma. So with sex crimes, murder and trauma. So both sides, plaintiff and defense. both sides, plaintiff and defense. both sides, plaintiff and defense. >> So pretty much this case is your level >> So pretty much this case is your level >> So pretty much this case is your level of expertise. of expertise. of expertise. >> It really is. It might be a a little >> It really is. It might be a a little >> It really is. It might be a a little young. young. young. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, we don't usually see this at >> You know, we don't usually see this at >> You know, we don't usually see this at this age. Uh but something like this, this age. Uh but something like this, this age. Uh but something like this, I've definitely worked before. I've definitely worked before. I've definitely worked before. >> Wow. Well, this murder happened on a >> Wow. Well, this murder happened on a >> Wow. Well, this murder happened on a Carnival cruise, and they were taking Carnival cruise, and they were taking Carnival cruise, and they were taking cruise of the Caribbean, and the family cruise of the Caribbean, and the family cruise of the Caribbean, and the family is from Titusville, Florida. The victim is from Titusville, Florida. The victim is from Titusville, Florida. The victim here is 18-year-old Anna Kempner, and here is 18-year-old Anna Kempner, and here is 18-year-old Anna Kempner, and the accused is her stepbrother, the accused is her stepbrother, the accused is her stepbrother, 16-year-old Timothy Hudson. He is 16-year-old Timothy Hudson. He is 16-year-old Timothy Hudson. He is charged with first-degree murder and charged with first-degree murder and charged with first-degree murder and sexual assault and he will be tried as sexual assault and he will be tried as sexual assault and he will be tried as an adult. When he was initially charged, an adult. When he was initially charged, an adult. When he was initially charged, he was charged as a juvenile. Now, what he was charged as a juvenile. Now, what he was charged as a juvenile. Now, what that and that is what the new that and that is what the new that and that is what the new development is. Not only has he been development is. Not only has he been development is. Not only has he been charged as an adult, but he's finally charged as an adult, but he's finally charged as an adult, but he's finally been taken into custody, which has been been taken into custody, which has been been taken into custody, which has been a big argument here among family a big argument here among family a big argument here among family members. What I find interesting is that members. What I find interesting is that members. What I find interesting is that this family had been living together, this family had been living together, this family had been living together, you know, this newly blended family for you know, this newly blended family for you know, this newly blended family for about a year. So, by the time they took

about a year. So, by the time they took about a year. So, by the time they took this big family cruise, I would think this big family cruise, I would think this big family cruise, I would think that I don't know some of the that I don't know some of the that I don't know some of the difficulties of blending two families difficulties of blending two families difficulties of blending two families would have been worked out. But I'm would have been worked out. But I'm would have been worked out. But I'm curious about the sleeping arrangements curious about the sleeping arrangements curious about the sleeping arrangements here because what you had was an here because what you had was an here because what you had was an 18-year-old girl, 18-year-old girl, 18-year-old girl, >> a young woman, a 16-year-old boy, not >> a young woman, a 16-year-old boy, not >> a young woman, a 16-year-old boy, not related to her, and then a halfbrother related to her, and then a halfbrother related to her, and then a halfbrother of hers who was, you know, a minor of hers who was, you know, a minor of hers who was, you know, a minor >> all in this cabin. And I know that the >> all in this cabin. And I know that the >> all in this cabin. And I know that the family has been criticized online that family has been criticized online that family has been criticized online that they should have never put that they should have never put that they should have never put that configuration of male female together in configuration of male female together in configuration of male female together in a small cabin. a small cabin. a small cabin. >> There were a lot of red flags. But I >> There were a lot of red flags. But I >> There were a lot of red flags. But I think the question, and we'll find this think the question, and we'll find this think the question, and we'll find this out in trial, is if they were aware of out in trial, is if they were aware of out in trial, is if they were aware of the red flags, because you wouldn't the red flags, because you wouldn't the red flags, because you wouldn't assume a rape and a murder would occur assume a rape and a murder would occur assume a rape and a murder would occur by putting your three teens together. by putting your three teens together. by putting your three teens together. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. That doesn't happen often, but we >> Right. That doesn't happen often, but we >> Right. That doesn't happen often, but we have now learned of a lot of red flags have now learned of a lot of red flags have now learned of a lot of red flags with the alleged rapist and killer.

with the alleged rapist and killer. with the alleged rapist and killer. I I just I I just I I just my stomach turns as I read in the court my stomach turns as I read in the court my stomach turns as I read in the court documents about one of Anna's previous documents about one of Anna's previous documents about one of Anna's previous boyfriends who claimed and told police boyfriends who claimed and told police boyfriends who claimed and told police that she was very uncomfortable with her that she was very uncomfortable with her that she was very uncomfortable with her new stepbrother Timothy that she felt new stepbrother Timothy that she felt new stepbrother Timothy that she felt that he was staring at her and was that he was staring at her and was that he was staring at her and was obsessed with her. And there's even this obsessed with her. And there's even this obsessed with her. And there's even this incident uh that's, you know, diagrammed incident uh that's, you know, diagrammed incident uh that's, you know, diagrammed very carefully in the court record very carefully in the court record very carefully in the court record >> where you have the boyfriend at the time >> where you have the boyfriend at the time >> where you have the boyfriend at the time saying, "Oh, we used to be on FaceTime saying, "Oh, we used to be on FaceTime saying, "Oh, we used to be on FaceTime together and we'd like to go to sleep together and we'd like to go to sleep together and we'd like to go to sleep that way and and fall asleep together on that way and and fall asleep together on that way and and fall asleep together on FaceTime." And that one time she fell FaceTime." And that one time she fell FaceTime." And that one time she fell asleep first. He still the signal was asleep first. He still the signal was asleep first. He still the signal was still, you know, they they were still still, you know, they they were still still, you know, they they were still connected and he heard something and connected and he heard something and connected and he heard something and then he claims he saw Timothy coming then he claims he saw Timothy coming then he claims he saw Timothy coming into her room and trying to climb into into her room and trying to climb into into her room and trying to climb into her bed and he scared Timothy when he her bed and he scared Timothy when he her bed and he scared Timothy when he saw that. That to me is really saw that. That to me is really saw that. That to me is really troubling.

troubling. troubling. >> It's very troubling. And she, according >> It's very troubling. And she, according >> It's very troubling. And she, according to the records, did not inform her to the records, did not inform her to the records, did not inform her parents of this, but she did tell her parents of this, but she did tell her parents of this, but she did tell her friends and then the boyfriend had friends and then the boyfriend had friends and then the boyfriend had witnessed that. So, we have we have witnessed that. So, we have we have witnessed that. So, we have we have prior incidences and it's easy to prior incidences and it's easy to prior incidences and it's easy to anticipate that this behavior would anticipate that this behavior would anticipate that this behavior would escalate, especially when we hear other escalate, especially when we hear other escalate, especially when we hear other stories of him being creepy is what I stories of him being creepy is what I stories of him being creepy is what I read. And the friends were talking about read. And the friends were talking about read. And the friends were talking about how he was very isolated at school. He how he was very isolated at school. He how he was very isolated at school. He kept to himself. And then we have this kept to himself. And then we have this kept to himself. And then we have this four-year custody battle with the four-year custody battle with the four-year custody battle with the father, Timothy's father, saying there father, Timothy's father, saying there father, Timothy's father, saying there is some mental health problem that is is some mental health problem that is is some mental health problem that is not being properly cared for by the not being properly cared for by the not being properly cared for by the mother. These are the allegations. So, mother. These are the allegations. So, mother. These are the allegations. So, we have all of these red flags, but we have all of these red flags, but we have all of these red flags, but they're not quite moving forward enough they're not quite moving forward enough they're not quite moving forward enough to prevent a Carnival Cruise to prevent a Carnival Cruise to prevent a Carnival Cruise group room with a bunch of teenagers. group room with a bunch of teenagers. group room with a bunch of teenagers. >> Right. Right. Right. It is It is very >> Right. Right. Right. It is It is very >> Right. Right. Right. It is It is very frightening. And I think what we will frightening. And I think what we will frightening. And I think what we will find if this goes to trial is who knew find if this goes to trial is who knew find if this goes to trial is who knew what when because there is no evidence what when because there is no evidence what when because there is no evidence yet that the parents knew. And I yet that the parents knew. And I yet that the parents knew. And I honestly I don't believe that if they honestly I don't believe that if they honestly I don't believe that if they knew that something like this could knew that something like this could knew that something like this could possibly happen that they would have possibly happen that they would have possibly happen that they would have made those arrangements intentionally.

made those arrangements intentionally. made those arrangements intentionally. But But But for the sake of keeping the peace in for the sake of keeping the peace in for the sake of keeping the peace in this new blended family, is it entirely this new blended family, is it entirely this new blended family, is it entirely possible that everyone just had to suck possible that everyone just had to suck possible that everyone just had to suck it up and get along for the greater it up and get along for the greater it up and get along for the greater good, which I I would think is very hard good, which I I would think is very hard good, which I I would think is very hard in a blended family with this many in a blended family with this many in a blended family with this many children. Let's get into some of the children. Let's get into some of the children. Let's get into some of the background here of the family. So Anna's background here of the family. So Anna's background here of the family. So Anna's father, Christopher Keaptainner, married father, Christopher Keaptainner, married father, Christopher Keaptainner, married Timothy's mother, Shantel Hudson. a lot Timothy's mother, Shantel Hudson. a lot Timothy's mother, Shantel Hudson. a lot of people because there are a lot of of people because there are a lot of of people because there are a lot of people involved and I know it can be people involved and I know it can be people involved and I know it can be confusing and you know so you have the confusing and you know so you have the confusing and you know so you have the parent of the victim married to the parent of the victim married to the parent of the victim married to the parent of the accused killer parent of the accused killer parent of the accused killer that in itself that in itself that in itself that is really tricky like how in the that is really tricky like how in the that is really tricky like how in the world especially for a new marriage how world especially for a new marriage how world especially for a new marriage how do you deal with that do you deal with that do you deal with that >> I mean it seems psychologically that >> I mean it seems psychologically that >> I mean it seems psychologically that they aligned themselves with each other, they aligned themselves with each other, they aligned themselves with each other, the couple, and just said, "We're we're the couple, and just said, "We're we're the couple, and just said, "We're we're not we're not going to stand there with not we're not going to stand there with not we're not going to stand there with the son." Yet, we still have them the son." Yet, we still have them the son." Yet, we still have them fighting for custody and backing him, fighting for custody and backing him, fighting for custody and backing him, and they're still a part of the defense.

and they're still a part of the defense. and they're still a part of the defense. And we're hearing now that uh there was And we're hearing now that uh there was And we're hearing now that uh there was medication involved that wasn't given to medication involved that wasn't given to medication involved that wasn't given to him two days prior. So, you can kind of him two days prior. So, you can kind of him two days prior. So, you can kind of see the setup of the mother of the see the setup of the mother of the see the setup of the mother of the mother saying, "Well, maybe there was mother saying, "Well, maybe there was mother saying, "Well, maybe there was something wrong with him and maybe something wrong with him and maybe something wrong with him and maybe that's why it happened." Yet, it was the that's why it happened." Yet, it was the that's why it happened." Yet, it was the father's daughter that was killed. It's father's daughter that was killed. It's father's daughter that was killed. It's so twisted. so twisted. so twisted. I I don't think their relationship will I I don't think their relationship will I I don't think their relationship will last if you ask me that. last if you ask me that. last if you ask me that. >> Okay. After this, well, this is a >> Okay. After this, well, this is a >> Okay. After this, well, this is a stressor, right? I mean, I cannot stressor, right? I mean, I cannot stressor, right? I mean, I cannot imagine anything more serious than the imagine anything more serious than the imagine anything more serious than the murder of a child murder of a child murder of a child >> by one of the other children in the >> by one of the other children in the >> by one of the other children in the family family family >> and the shock of it and then >> and the shock of it and then >> and the shock of it and then >> being stuck on the boat >> being stuck on the boat >> being stuck on the boat >> with a dead body for two days. >> with a dead body for two days. >> with a dead body for two days. >> Oh my god, that is scary for anyone on >> Oh my god, that is scary for anyone on >> Oh my god, that is scary for anyone on the cruise. And then you kind of narrow the cruise. And then you kind of narrow the cruise. And then you kind of narrow that down to the family. I mean, for the that down to the family. I mean, for the that down to the family. I mean, for the family to have to process this but not family to have to process this but not family to have to process this but not be able to really do anything because be able to really do anything because be able to really do anything because you have to secure this room and then you have to secure this room and then you have to secure this room and then you're trying to ask you're trying to ask you're trying to ask the other kids who were in that room the other kids who were in that room the other kids who were in that room with her. Yeah, that must have been a with her. Yeah, that must have been a with her. Yeah, that must have been a hell of a two days because the FBI made hell of a two days because the FBI made hell of a two days because the FBI made it clear to the ship's captain that they it clear to the ship's captain that they it clear to the ship's captain that they would be boarding when they arrived in would be boarding when they arrived in would be boarding when they arrived in Miami and as long as they were at sea.

Miami and as long as they were at sea. Miami and as long as they were at sea. It's not like they were going to like in It's not like they were going to like in It's not like they were going to like in the movies helicopter in a team, a the movies helicopter in a team, a the movies helicopter in a team, a forensic team. That just wasn't going to forensic team. That just wasn't going to forensic team. That just wasn't going to happen. happen. happen. >> Right. So, >> Right. So, >> Right. So, >> and they're right across from each >> and they're right across from each >> and they're right across from each other. Both cabins, the parents cabin other. Both cabins, the parents cabin other. Both cabins, the parents cabin and where Anna was murdered or across and where Anna was murdered or across and where Anna was murdered or across from each other. from each other. from each other. >> Right. So, we have the trauma of the >> Right. So, we have the trauma of the >> Right. So, we have the trauma of the first night where now a 13-year-old first night where now a 13-year-old first night where now a 13-year-old knows he slept next to the bed where his knows he slept next to the bed where his knows he slept next to the bed where his sister was dead underneath and he knows sister was dead underneath and he knows sister was dead underneath and he knows he slept next to an alleged murderer and he slept next to an alleged murderer and he slept next to an alleged murderer and an alleged rapist. And then we have the an alleged rapist. And then we have the an alleged rapist. And then we have the trauma of two more nights or I think it trauma of two more nights or I think it trauma of two more nights or I think it was two more nights of sleeping across was two more nights of sleeping across was two more nights of sleeping across the hall from the the dead daughter, the hall from the the dead daughter, the hall from the the dead daughter, right? because they left the body in the right? because they left the body in the right? because they left the body in the room because the medical examiner would room because the medical examiner would room because the medical examiner would be boarding in Miami and they were told be boarding in Miami and they were told be boarding in Miami and they were told to leave everything as is. So now you to leave everything as is. So now you to leave everything as is. So now you also have decomposition. I just Oh my also have decomposition. I just Oh my also have decomposition. I just Oh my goodness. And one of the things I've goodness. And one of the things I've goodness. And one of the things I've done in the past as an investigative done in the past as an investigative done in the past as an investigative reporter, one of the niches of of my reporter, one of the niches of of my reporter, one of the niches of of my interest has been crimes at sea because interest has been crimes at sea because interest has been crimes at sea because so many crimes happen on cruise ships, so many crimes happen on cruise ships, so many crimes happen on cruise ships, especially the kind of sexual assaults especially the kind of sexual assaults especially the kind of sexual assaults that happen on cruise ships and trying that happen on cruise ships and trying that happen on cruise ships and trying to or people disappear and supposedly to or people disappear and supposedly to or people disappear and supposedly either jump or pushed, right? And the either jump or pushed, right? And the either jump or pushed, right? And the body is never recovered. These cases are body is never recovered. These cases are body is never recovered. These cases are so hard to investigate. they are even so hard to investigate. they are even so hard to investigate. they are even harder to prosecute because of harder to prosecute because of harder to prosecute because of jurisdictional issues as to where

jurisdictional issues as to where jurisdictional issues as to where exactly the crime happened. So, um I was exactly the crime happened. So, um I was exactly the crime happened. So, um I was like, "Wow, that is why this is a like, "Wow, that is why this is a like, "Wow, that is why this is a federal case, federal case, federal case, >> right? It is so complicated." >> right? It is so complicated." >> right? It is so complicated." >> Oh my goodness, really complicated. >> Oh my goodness, really complicated. >> Oh my goodness, really complicated. Okay, so let's get back to the couple Okay, so let's get back to the couple Okay, so let's get back to the couple here. So, they married in December of here. So, they married in December of here. So, they married in December of 2024, and Christopher brought Anna and 2024, and Christopher brought Anna and 2024, and Christopher brought Anna and three siblings into this new union. three siblings into this new union. three siblings into this new union. Shantel brought her three children, an Shantel brought her three children, an Shantel brought her three children, an adult son, as well as Timothy and a adult son, as well as Timothy and a adult son, as well as Timothy and a 9-year-old daughter, all from these 9-year-old daughter, all from these 9-year-old daughter, all from these previous relationships, which, you know, previous relationships, which, you know, previous relationships, which, you know, I was going to use the term the Brady I was going to use the term the Brady I was going to use the term the Brady Bunch, but I realize, you know, so many Bunch, but I realize, you know, so many Bunch, but I realize, you know, so many people are not even going to know what people are not even going to know what people are not even going to know what that reference is. that reference is. that reference is. >> I don't think a lot of people know what >> I don't think a lot of people know what >> I don't think a lot of people know what Save by the Bell is anymore, and that is Save by the Bell is anymore, and that is Save by the Bell is anymore, and that is so sad for me. so sad for me. so sad for me. >> I know. It's really sad like I I have >> I know. It's really sad like I I have >> I know. It's really sad like I I have limits now on how I can communicate limits now on how I can communicate limits now on how I can communicate things to people since my references are things to people since my references are things to people since my references are being reduced. So on November 2nd of being reduced. So on November 2nd of being reduced. So on November 2nd of 2025, the family departs Miami for this 2025, the family departs Miami for this 2025, the family departs Miami for this week-long cruise through the Caribbean.

week-long cruise through the Caribbean. week-long cruise through the Caribbean. Now the guests include Christopher and Now the guests include Christopher and Now the guests include Christopher and Shantel, mom and dad, Christopher's Shantel, mom and dad, Christopher's Shantel, mom and dad, Christopher's parents, so that would be Anna Kapner's parents, so that would be Anna Kapner's parents, so that would be Anna Kapner's grandparents, her two younger siblings grandparents, her two younger siblings grandparents, her two younger siblings along with two of Shantel's children. So along with two of Shantel's children. So along with two of Shantel's children. So many children. Okay. and everybody's many children. Okay. and everybody's many children. Okay. and everybody's like mixed in and and the rooming like mixed in and and the rooming like mixed in and and the rooming situation was this. So, we had Anna in a situation was this. So, we had Anna in a situation was this. So, we had Anna in a cabin with her 13-year-old halfbrother cabin with her 13-year-old halfbrother cabin with her 13-year-old halfbrother and then 16-year-old stepbrother and then 16-year-old stepbrother and then 16-year-old stepbrother Timothy, the one who's charged here and Timothy, the one who's charged here and Timothy, the one who's charged here and the one who some have called very the one who some have called very the one who some have called very creepy. creepy. creepy. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Now, the parents were in a cabin >> Okay. Now, the parents were in a cabin >> Okay. Now, the parents were in a cabin directly across the hall, which is directly across the hall, which is directly across the hall, which is great. And the other thing that is great. And the other thing that is great. And the other thing that is really helpful in this case is I was really helpful in this case is I was really helpful in this case is I was actually quite pleased to see how many actually quite pleased to see how many actually quite pleased to see how many surveillance cameras there were on this surveillance cameras there were on this surveillance cameras there were on this ship recording pretty much everybody's ship recording pretty much everybody's ship recording pretty much everybody's movements. So if you're a privacy movements. So if you're a privacy movements. So if you're a privacy person, a cruise is not for you because person, a cruise is not for you because person, a cruise is not for you because everything about your movements will be everything about your movements will be everything about your movements will be kept on record. It's extraordinary kept on record. It's extraordinary kept on record. It's extraordinary >> legally and illegally because we just >> legally and illegally because we just >> legally and illegally because we just had the case of the Disney cruise with had the case of the Disney cruise with had the case of the Disney cruise with hidden cameras in all of the cabins and hidden cameras in all of the cabins and hidden cameras in all of the cabins and trafficking. So you you are being trafficking. So you you are being trafficking. So you you are being watched in good and bad ways.

watched in good and bad ways. watched in good and bad ways. >> Mhm. Yeah. So always keep that in mind. >> Mhm. Yeah. So always keep that in mind. >> Mhm. Yeah. So always keep that in mind. But for in the case of a crime, this all But for in the case of a crime, this all But for in the case of a crime, this all those cameras were particularly helpful. those cameras were particularly helpful. those cameras were particularly helpful. Okay. So Anna, you know, Anna was hesitant to tell her dad about Anna was hesitant to tell her dad about how she felt about Timothy. And what we how she felt about Timothy. And what we how she felt about Timothy. And what we don't know is if there was any push back don't know is if there was any push back don't know is if there was any push back when the rooming arrangements were when the rooming arrangements were when the rooming arrangements were announced to the kids. Okay, Anna, announced to the kids. Okay, Anna, announced to the kids. Okay, Anna, you're going to be here with Timothy. you're going to be here with Timothy. you're going to be here with Timothy. Like what I'm wondering is Like what I'm wondering is Like what I'm wondering is >> did she say anything? I shared with you >> did she say anything? I shared with you >> did she say anything? I shared with you before we started recording that I've before we started recording that I've before we started recording that I've interviewed several teenagers who were interviewed several teenagers who were interviewed several teenagers who were being victimized and yet did not tell being victimized and yet did not tell being victimized and yet did not tell their parents about what was going on their parents about what was going on their parents about what was going on which I found fascinating cuz you would which I found fascinating cuz you would which I found fascinating cuz you would think when you're scared the first thing think when you're scared the first thing think when you're scared the first thing you do is you run to your parents but you do is you run to your parents but you do is you run to your parents but they shared with me that there were they shared with me that there were they shared with me that there were things going on in the family either things going on in the family either things going on in the family either financial stressors or like literal you financial stressors or like literal you financial stressors or like literal you know physical stressors where all the know physical stressors where all the know physical stressors where all the other stressors are causing mom mom and other stressors are causing mom mom and other stressors are causing mom mom and dad to have panic attacks. And so these dad to have panic attacks. And so these dad to have panic attacks. And so these young victims felt like they could never young victims felt like they could never young victims felt like they could never fully turn to their parents because they fully turn to their parents because they fully turn to their parents because they themselves didn't want to add to their themselves didn't want to add to their themselves didn't want to add to their stress.

stress. stress. >> It's so sad and it's so true. And I >> It's so sad and it's so true. And I >> It's so sad and it's so true. And I encourage them to speak up to any safe encourage them to speak up to any safe encourage them to speak up to any safe adult, even if it's not the parent. Tell adult, even if it's not the parent. Tell adult, even if it's not the parent. Tell someone else, tell a teacher, you know, someone else, tell a teacher, you know, someone else, tell a teacher, you know, tell a therapist, let them tell the tell a therapist, let them tell the tell a therapist, let them tell the parent. But I think when we see these parent. But I think when we see these parent. But I think when we see these red flags and we don't trust our red flags and we don't trust our red flags and we don't trust our intuition, we gaslight ourselves and bad intuition, we gaslight ourselves and bad intuition, we gaslight ourselves and bad things happen. things happen. things happen. >> Bad things do happen and bad things can >> Bad things do happen and bad things can >> Bad things do happen and bad things can happen even on a cruise. So on the happen even on a cruise. So on the happen even on a cruise. So on the evening of November 6th of 2025, evening of November 6th of 2025, evening of November 6th of 2025, the ship had just left Mexico headed the ship had just left Mexico headed the ship had just left Mexico headed back to Miami. This was the end of the back to Miami. This was the end of the back to Miami. This was the end of the cruise and they would be at sea for at cruise and they would be at sea for at cruise and they would be at sea for at least two more days. That night, the least two more days. That night, the least two more days. That night, the Keaptainner family or the new blended Keaptainner family or the new blended Keaptainner family or the new blended family, they had dinner together and family, they had dinner together and family, they had dinner together and Anna asked to leave because she said Anna asked to leave because she said Anna asked to leave because she said that her braces were hurting her. She that her braces were hurting her. She that her braces were hurting her. She wasn't feeling well and she does have a wasn't feeling well and she does have a wasn't feeling well and she does have a mouthful of braces. Now, according to mouthful of braces. Now, according to mouthful of braces. Now, according to Anna's grandmother, Barbara Keaptainner, Anna's grandmother, Barbara Keaptainner, Anna's grandmother, Barbara Keaptainner, she saw her granddaughter uh a little she saw her granddaughter uh a little she saw her granddaughter uh a little later that night in the casino and her later that night in the casino and her later that night in the casino and her daughter was dressed up. So, I'm sure daughter was dressed up. So, I'm sure daughter was dressed up. So, I'm sure enjoying being on a cruise. She's 18 enjoying being on a cruise. She's 18 enjoying being on a cruise. She's 18 years old. I mean, come on. You know, years old. I mean, come on. You know, years old. I mean, come on. You know, there's life out there. So Anna there's life out there. So Anna there's life out there. So Anna allegedly told grandma, who she called allegedly told grandma, who she called allegedly told grandma, who she called Mima, that is one of my favorite Mima, that is one of my favorite Mima, that is one of my favorite nicknames for a grandma. Mima, I just nicknames for a grandma. Mima, I just nicknames for a grandma. Mima, I just love that. Um, she said, "Mima, I love love that. Um, she said, "Mima, I love love that. Um, she said, "Mima, I love you guys. I'll see you later." And that you guys. I'll see you later." And that you guys. I'll see you later." And that encounter was the last time.

encounter was the last time. encounter was the last time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That grandma saw Anna. >> That grandma saw Anna. >> That grandma saw Anna. She would be seen on security cameras, She would be seen on security cameras, She would be seen on security cameras, but that's the last time that a family but that's the last time that a family but that's the last time that a family member would see her. So the next member would see her. So the next member would see her. So the next morning, morning, morning, >> housekeeping goes into the room and >> housekeeping goes into the room and >> housekeeping goes into the room and that's when they find Anna's body that's when they find Anna's body that's when they find Anna's body wrapped in a blanket, shoved wrapped in a blanket, shoved wrapped in a blanket, shoved >> underneath a bed. And then it's so >> underneath a bed. And then it's so >> underneath a bed. And then it's so weird. It's described as, you know, the weird. It's described as, you know, the weird. It's described as, you know, the life vest that you have to have in the life vest that you have to have in the life vest that you have to have in the room. We're kind of lined up blocking room. We're kind of lined up blocking room. We're kind of lined up blocking your view of what was under the bed, your view of what was under the bed, your view of what was under the bed, >> right? And you know, you basically have >> right? And you know, you basically have >> right? And you know, you basically have the accused killer who's 16 years old, the accused killer who's 16 years old, the accused killer who's 16 years old, and then you got the this 13-year-old and then you got the this 13-year-old and then you got the this 13-year-old that's, you know, also is on vacation, that's, you know, also is on vacation, that's, you know, also is on vacation, probably not paying attention, just goes probably not paying attention, just goes probably not paying attention, just goes to bed kind of thing. to bed kind of thing. to bed kind of thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But as you said, you know, they slept >> But as you said, you know, they slept >> But as you said, you know, they slept with a dead body in that room, with a dead body in that room, with a dead body in that room, >> right? And we're getting insights, >> right? And we're getting insights, >> right? And we're getting insights, right? Uh we're getting insights that right? Uh we're getting insights that right? Uh we're getting insights that the alleged killer wanted to cover this the alleged killer wanted to cover this the alleged killer wanted to cover this up because he was aware of the up because he was aware of the up because he was aware of the consequences, but he didn't do it in a consequences, but he didn't do it in a consequences, but he didn't do it in a very good way. So, he's not very good way. So, he's not very good way. So, he's not maybe really good at this. Maybe he maybe really good at this. Maybe he maybe really good at this. Maybe he hasn't done it before, but he certainly hasn't done it before, but he certainly hasn't done it before, but he certainly is aware and cognizant of the is aware and cognizant of the is aware and cognizant of the consequences when they find the body consequences when they find the body consequences when they find the body because that same night, the 13-year-old because that same night, the 13-year-old because that same night, the 13-year-old wanted to go to bed, but Timothy blocked wanted to go to bed, but Timothy blocked wanted to go to bed, but Timothy blocked him from entering the room, him from entering the room, him from entering the room, >> right? Said, "Oh, I'm I'm changing. I'm >> right? Said, "Oh, I'm I'm changing. I'm >> right? Said, "Oh, I'm I'm changing. I'm changing." which probably really is code changing." which probably really is code changing." which probably really is code for I'm moving a body around and I'm for I'm moving a body around and I'm for I'm moving a body around and I'm covering up, you know, the murder that covering up, you know, the murder that covering up, you know, the murder that police say I committed police say I committed police say I committed >> and redressing her.

>> and redressing her. >> and redressing her. >> Redressing her. Oh my goodness. It's >> Redressing her. Oh my goodness. It's >> Redressing her. Oh my goodness. It's It's just so so disturbing. So, when the It's just so so disturbing. So, when the It's just so so disturbing. So, when the body was found, the Carnival cruise ship body was found, the Carnival cruise ship body was found, the Carnival cruise ship calls the FBI and as I said, they calls the FBI and as I said, they calls the FBI and as I said, they wouldn't be helicoptering in. They would wouldn't be helicoptering in. They would wouldn't be helicoptering in. They would be meeting the ship on November 8th, two be meeting the ship on November 8th, two be meeting the ship on November 8th, two days at sea. dead body. There's a lot days at sea. dead body. There's a lot days at sea. dead body. There's a lot going on here. The only thing that going on here. The only thing that going on here. The only thing that everyone could be certain of based on everyone could be certain of based on everyone could be certain of based on the fact that Anna was killed after they the fact that Anna was killed after they the fact that Anna was killed after they left port is whoever killed Anna was left port is whoever killed Anna was left port is whoever killed Anna was still on that ship. still on that ship. still on that ship. >> That was the one definitive. >> That was the one definitive. >> That was the one definitive. But to think it was as close as your But to think it was as close as your But to think it was as close as your stepbrother in the same room. stepbrother in the same room. stepbrother in the same room. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I know. Okay. So, to help with the >> I know. Okay. So, to help with the >> I know. Okay. So, to help with the investigation, and this I find so investigation, and this I find so investigation, and this I find so fascinating, the cruise ship has a lot fascinating, the cruise ship has a lot fascinating, the cruise ship has a lot of security cameras, and they're in the of security cameras, and they're in the of security cameras, and they're in the hallways. They're just about everywhere. hallways. They're just about everywhere. hallways. They're just about everywhere. And And And that has been incredibly helpful in this that has been incredibly helpful in this that has been incredibly helpful in this case. So, here's the timeline that case. So, here's the timeline that case. So, here's the timeline that prosecutors have put together, and this prosecutors have put together, and this prosecutors have put together, and this is what's in the court record. So, is what's in the court record. So, is what's in the court record. So, prosecutors believe that Timothy prosecutors believe that Timothy prosecutors believe that Timothy sexually assaulted and murdered Anna sexually assaulted and murdered Anna sexually assaulted and murdered Anna between 7:51 p.m. and 10:13 p.m. on between 7:51 p.m. and 10:13 p.m. on between 7:51 p.m. and 10:13 p.m. on November 6. So, there's a window there.

November 6. So, there's a window there. November 6. So, there's a window there. Not a huge window. Now, according to Not a huge window. Now, according to Not a huge window. Now, according to investigators, the CCTV cameras captured investigators, the CCTV cameras captured investigators, the CCTV cameras captured the movement in and out of the room. So, the movement in and out of the room. So, the movement in and out of the room. So, the cameras are good enough to know the cameras are good enough to know the cameras are good enough to know who's going in, who's going out, and at who's going in, who's going out, and at who's going in, who's going out, and at what time, which is which is very what time, which is which is very what time, which is which is very important because we see Anna go in, important because we see Anna go in, important because we see Anna go in, >> but we never see Anna leave. >> but we never see Anna leave. >> but we never see Anna leave. So, that also limits who had access to So, that also limits who had access to So, that also limits who had access to the room. And it's not like any of them the room. And it's not like any of them the room. And it's not like any of them could go ahead and and change anything could go ahead and and change anything could go ahead and and change anything on the security cameras. Okay, so it's on the security cameras. Okay, so it's on the security cameras. Okay, so it's 7:35. Security cameras captured Timothy 7:35. Security cameras captured Timothy 7:35. Security cameras captured Timothy entering the cabin. 2 minutes later, entering the cabin. 2 minutes later, entering the cabin. 2 minutes later, Anna enters the cabin. This is the last Anna enters the cabin. This is the last Anna enters the cabin. This is the last time that security cameras captured her time that security cameras captured her time that security cameras captured her alive, alive, alive, >> meaning she could have still been alive >> meaning she could have still been alive >> meaning she could have still been alive and and there will be a little testimony and and there will be a little testimony and and there will be a little testimony of that when her 13-year-old brother, of that when her 13-year-old brother, of that when her 13-year-old brother, half brother comes in, but it's the last half brother comes in, but it's the last half brother comes in, but it's the last time that she's seen alive on cameras. time that she's seen alive on cameras. time that she's seen alive on cameras. So, it's 7:51, about 20 minutes later. So, it's 7:51, about 20 minutes later. So, it's 7:51, about 20 minutes later. Anna's younger half brother is walking Anna's younger half brother is walking Anna's younger half brother is walking the hallways near the cabin. is with two the hallways near the cabin. is with two the hallways near the cabin. is with two friends and he enters the room briefly friends and he enters the room briefly friends and he enters the room briefly and the 13-year-old told authorities and the 13-year-old told authorities and the 13-year-old told authorities Anna seemed fine. Okay, so that's that's Anna seemed fine. Okay, so that's that's Anna seemed fine. Okay, so that's that's where we come up with we know that she where we come up with we know that she where we come up with we know that she was alive at 7:51.

was alive at 7:51. was alive at 7:51. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> That's the last time we know she was >> That's the last time we know she was >> That's the last time we know she was alive. By 10:13, Timothy opens the cabin alive. By 10:13, Timothy opens the cabin alive. By 10:13, Timothy opens the cabin door. And this one, now I found this door. And this one, now I found this door. And this one, now I found this interesting. They describe how he opens interesting. They describe how he opens interesting. They describe how he opens the door, looks both ways, and then the door, looks both ways, and then the door, looks both ways, and then continues on his route. Now, you know, continues on his route. Now, you know, continues on his route. Now, you know, authorities are using that as showing um authorities are using that as showing um authorities are using that as showing um a presence of guilt. Now, I'll have to a presence of guilt. Now, I'll have to a presence of guilt. Now, I'll have to tell you, and maybe it's just me because tell you, and maybe it's just me because tell you, and maybe it's just me because I'm a crime reporter, but when I exit I'm a crime reporter, but when I exit I'm a crime reporter, but when I exit buildings or I exit hallways, I buildings or I exit hallways, I buildings or I exit hallways, I constantly do that because I'm always constantly do that because I'm always constantly do that because I'm always looking for someone coming at me or, you looking for someone coming at me or, you looking for someone coming at me or, you know, if you only look one way, you know, if you only look one way, you know, if you only look one way, you don't know what's happening on the other don't know what's happening on the other don't know what's happening on the other side. But I understand in the context of side. But I understand in the context of side. But I understand in the context of this, but I think that's the perfect this, but I think that's the perfect this, but I think that's the perfect example. You have vigilance because example. You have vigilance because example. You have vigilance because you're aware of crime. He had vigilance you're aware of crime. He had vigilance you're aware of crime. He had vigilance because he's alleged of doing a crime. because he's alleged of doing a crime. because he's alleged of doing a crime. Yes. So, Yes. So, Yes. So, so authorities say that he enters the so authorities say that he enters the so authorities say that he enters the cabin two more times we at 10:23 and 10 cabin two more times we at 10:23 and 10 cabin two more times we at 10:23 and 10 49 and then Timothy exits the cabin at 49 and then Timothy exits the cabin at 49 and then Timothy exits the cabin at 10:53 after placing a privacy sign on 10:53 after placing a privacy sign on 10:53 after placing a privacy sign on the front door. Now, he returned at the front door. Now, he returned at the front door. Now, he returned at 11:07 and a few minutes later, Anna's 11:07 and a few minutes later, Anna's 11:07 and a few minutes later, Anna's younger half brother returns at about younger half brother returns at about younger half brother returns at about 11:21 and that's when um you know, the 11:21 and that's when um you know, the 11:21 and that's when um you know, the 13-year-old's visit lasted only 2 13-year-old's visit lasted only 2 13-year-old's visit lasted only 2 minutes and he told authorities he minutes and he told authorities he minutes and he told authorities he didn't see Anna's body. Well, I didn't see Anna's body. Well, I didn't see Anna's body. Well, I shouldn't say body. He didn't see Anna shouldn't say body. He didn't see Anna shouldn't say body. He didn't see Anna at the time. So, the 13-year-old has no at the time. So, the 13-year-old has no at the time. So, the 13-year-old has no idea where Anna is, but she wasn't in idea where Anna is, but she wasn't in idea where Anna is, but she wasn't in the room. But, of course, authorities

the room. But, of course, authorities the room. But, of course, authorities say, "Oh, she was in the room. She was say, "Oh, she was in the room. She was say, "Oh, she was in the room. She was dead at this point, and she had been, dead at this point, and she had been, dead at this point, and she had been, you know, stowed away." So when the you know, stowed away." So when the you know, stowed away." So when the youngest sibling finally returns youngest sibling finally returns youngest sibling finally returns shortly after midnight and it's time, shortly after midnight and it's time, shortly after midnight and it's time, you know, to go in, he is blocked. you know, to go in, he is blocked. you know, to go in, he is blocked. Timothy blocks the door and says, "You Timothy blocks the door and says, "You Timothy blocks the door and says, "You can't come in. I'm changing." can't come in. I'm changing." can't come in. I'm changing." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, he sits out there and you see >> Okay. So, he sits out there and you see >> Okay. So, he sits out there and you see this on the surveillance cameras. this on the surveillance cameras. this on the surveillance cameras. After that, court documents do not After that, court documents do not After that, court documents do not mention anyone on CCTV mention anyone on CCTV mention anyone on CCTV exiting that room again until Timothy exiting that room again until Timothy exiting that room again until Timothy exits the next morning. exits the next morning. exits the next morning. So, the attendant So, the attendant So, the attendant enters the room at 11:24 and that's when enters the room at 11:24 and that's when enters the room at 11:24 and that's when Anna is discovered dead. Here is what I Anna is discovered dead. Here is what I Anna is discovered dead. Here is what I think is the freakiest think is the freakiest think is the freakiest and most damning of the security and most damning of the security and most damning of the security cameras. cameras. cameras. So, at this point, the police from the So, at this point, the police from the So, at this point, the police from the ship, right, the safety officers, and ship, right, the safety officers, and ship, right, the safety officers, and they're wearing body cams and the they're wearing body cams and the they're wearing body cams and the Kempers and everyone, they're in this Kempers and everyone, they're in this Kempers and everyone, they're in this room because Anna's just been found room because Anna's just been found room because Anna's just been found dead.

dead. dead. And the cameras capture Timothy walking And the cameras capture Timothy walking And the cameras capture Timothy walking past. past. past. >> He doesn't look in. He doesn't stop. And >> He doesn't look in. He doesn't stop. And >> He doesn't look in. He doesn't stop. And he doesn't ask anyone what's going on. he doesn't ask anyone what's going on. he doesn't ask anyone what's going on. It's his room. Right. It's his room. Right. It's his room. Right. >> Circumstantial. To me, that's huge. >> Circumstantial. To me, that's huge. >> Circumstantial. To me, that's huge. >> Significant. I mean, it makes me think >> Significant. I mean, it makes me think >> Significant. I mean, it makes me think of two things. Psychopathy, return to of two things. Psychopathy, return to of two things. Psychopathy, return to the scene of the crime for more the scene of the crime for more the scene of the crime for more stimulation, more knowledge. Uh, but stimulation, more knowledge. Uh, but stimulation, more knowledge. Uh, but also callousness, disregard for empathy. also callousness, disregard for empathy. also callousness, disregard for empathy. Did not care. Just wanted to make sure Did not care. Just wanted to make sure Did not care. Just wanted to make sure you what was Just wanted to make sure of you what was Just wanted to make sure of you what was Just wanted to make sure of what was going on. what was going on. what was going on. And prosecutors told the judge as they And prosecutors told the judge as they And prosecutors told the judge as they were trying to get him detained that the were trying to get him detained that the were trying to get him detained that the reason he didn't look and the reason he reason he didn't look and the reason he reason he didn't look and the reason he didn't ask questions is because he knew didn't ask questions is because he knew didn't ask questions is because he knew >> and by then he had already >> and by then he had already >> and by then he had already thrown her phone out. thrown her phone out. thrown her phone out. >> Which as I analyzed how they figured out >> Which as I analyzed how they figured out >> Which as I analyzed how they figured out where the phone was and I I again love where the phone was and I I again love where the phone was and I I again love the security features here. What I found the security features here. What I found the security features here. What I found interesting is interesting is interesting is why did he throw the phone away? because why did he throw the phone away? because why did he throw the phone away? because ultimately authorities so far have said ultimately authorities so far have said ultimately authorities so far have said in the court record that they didn't in the court record that they didn't in the court record that they didn't find anything on her phone or his phone find anything on her phone or his phone find anything on her phone or his phone that would indicate any problems.

that would indicate any problems. that would indicate any problems. So why did he throw the phone away? So why did he throw the phone away? So why did he throw the phone away? >> I mean, I think what we're seeing is, >> I mean, I think what we're seeing is, >> I mean, I think what we're seeing is, you know, you know, you know, someone who's not very good at at a someone who's not very good at at a someone who's not very good at at a crime. So, we're seeing something crime. So, we're seeing something crime. So, we're seeing something probably more driven by emotion and probably more driven by emotion and probably more driven by emotion and maybe rage maybe rage maybe rage and retaliation, vengeance. and retaliation, vengeance. and retaliation, vengeance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, not not great thinking, right? We're >> So, not not great thinking, right? We're >> So, not not great thinking, right? We're getting some insight into his cognitive getting some insight into his cognitive getting some insight into his cognitive ability as well. You're going to chuck a ability as well. You're going to chuck a ability as well. You're going to chuck a phone in the trash. Why aren't you phone in the trash. Why aren't you phone in the trash. Why aren't you chucking it in the water? chucking it in the water? chucking it in the water? >> You're at sea. No one's ever going to >> You're at sea. No one's ever going to >> You're at sea. No one's ever going to find this phone, find this phone, find this phone, >> right? If you believe there's something >> right? If you believe there's something >> right? If you believe there's something on there that is damning or upsetting to on there that is damning or upsetting to on there that is damning or upsetting to you, you, you, >> right? And I'm going to guess maybe >> right? And I'm going to guess maybe >> right? And I'm going to guess maybe there was something on there that maybe there was something on there that maybe there was something on there that maybe was upsetting to him because as far as was upsetting to him because as far as was upsetting to him because as far as evidence goes, you know, they're able to evidence goes, you know, they're able to evidence goes, you know, they're able to figure out a lot even without the phone. figure out a lot even without the phone. figure out a lot even without the phone. Okay, so let's talk about how they found Okay, so let's talk about how they found Okay, so let's talk about how they found the phone because I I just again, if the phone because I I just again, if the phone because I I just again, if you're into investigations, this one is you're into investigations, this one is you're into investigations, this one is so interesting. Her phone was not found so interesting. Her phone was not found so interesting. Her phone was not found in her cabin. Turns out it was located in her cabin. Turns out it was located in her cabin. Turns out it was located in the lost and found because it had in the lost and found because it had in the lost and found because it had been found by a security officer in a been found by a security officer in a been found by a security officer in a trash bin on the opposite side of the trash bin on the opposite side of the trash bin on the opposite side of the ship.

ship. ship. >> Why is all of this important? Okay, >> Why is all of this important? Okay, >> Why is all of this important? Okay, Anna's phone was connected to the ship's Anna's phone was connected to the ship's Anna's phone was connected to the ship's Wi-Fi internet plan. And the way the Wi-Fi internet plan. And the way the Wi-Fi internet plan. And the way the ship operates is there are routers all ship operates is there are routers all ship operates is there are routers all over the ship. And so they keep the data over the ship. And so they keep the data over the ship. And so they keep the data on your phone. your movements. So, on your phone. your movements. So, on your phone. your movements. So, they're able to literally track your they're able to literally track your they're able to literally track your phone. Think of like regular GPS, but phone. Think of like regular GPS, but phone. Think of like regular GPS, but you're you're really limited to a ship. you're you're really limited to a ship. you're you're really limited to a ship. So, instead of GPS, what you're getting So, instead of GPS, what you're getting So, instead of GPS, what you're getting is the data from the all the routers. is the data from the all the routers. is the data from the all the routers. Okay. Why is this significant? It's Okay. Why is this significant? It's Okay. Why is this significant? It's incredibly significant because Timothy incredibly significant because Timothy incredibly significant because Timothy did not have a phone plan for the ship. did not have a phone plan for the ship. did not have a phone plan for the ship. They didn't pay for his wifi. So, They didn't pay for his wifi. So, They didn't pay for his wifi. So, there's no tracking his phone. But if there's no tracking his phone. But if there's no tracking his phone. But if you take the data of Anna's phone as you take the data of Anna's phone as you take the data of Anna's phone as it's moving through the ship and you it's moving through the ship and you it's moving through the ship and you marry it to the cameras, you can line marry it to the cameras, you can line marry it to the cameras, you can line them up together at the same time and them up together at the same time and them up together at the same time and that tells you a digital forensic story that tells you a digital forensic story that tells you a digital forensic story and provides you with evidence. I I just and provides you with evidence. I I just and provides you with evidence. I I just thought that that was incredible. They thought that that was incredible. They thought that that was incredible. They were able to track Timothy's movements, were able to track Timothy's movements, were able to track Timothy's movements, right, because of the phone and they got right, because of the phone and they got right, because of the phone and they got all the way to the trash bin. The camera all the way to the trash bin. The camera all the way to the trash bin. The camera in the vicinity of the trash bin doesn't in the vicinity of the trash bin doesn't in the vicinity of the trash bin doesn't cover the trash bin. So, we don't see cover the trash bin. So, we don't see cover the trash bin. So, we don't see Timothy allegedly tossing in the phone,

Timothy allegedly tossing in the phone, Timothy allegedly tossing in the phone, but the data and his visuals but the data and his visuals but the data and his visuals in the area have him there and that's in the area have him there and that's in the area have him there and that's where they found the phone. I just that where they found the phone. I just that where they found the phone. I just that to me is to me is to me is >> it's fascinating, >> it's fascinating, >> it's fascinating, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And it really gives me the insight that >> And it really gives me the insight that >> And it really gives me the insight that maybe he got up at 9:00, went out, maybe he got up at 9:00, went out, maybe he got up at 9:00, went out, thought if he got rid of the phone, no thought if he got rid of the phone, no thought if he got rid of the phone, no one would ever know who she was. They'd one would ever know who she was. They'd one would ever know who she was. They'd get off the boat and we just we'd never get off the boat and we just we'd never get off the boat and we just we'd never know where Anna went. I I'm there's such know where Anna went. I I'm there's such know where Anna went. I I'm there's such a lack of sophistication in this alleged a lack of sophistication in this alleged a lack of sophistication in this alleged >> well in the murder but in the alleged >> well in the murder but in the alleged >> well in the murder but in the alleged Timothy. I I'm thinking it's emotional, Timothy. I I'm thinking it's emotional, Timothy. I I'm thinking it's emotional, it's young, it's juvenile, but it's also it's young, it's juvenile, but it's also it's young, it's juvenile, but it's also calculated and careful when he can be. calculated and careful when he can be. calculated and careful when he can be. It feels very guilty to me. It feels very guilty to me. It feels very guilty to me. >> Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So the >> Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So the >> Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So the medical examiner boards the ship and medical examiner boards the ship and medical examiner boards the ship and does a preliminary exam and Anna's body does a preliminary exam and Anna's body does a preliminary exam and Anna's body was found fully clothed, sweatpants, was found fully clothed, sweatpants, was found fully clothed, sweatpants, sweatshirts, uh sweatshirt and her sweatshirts, uh sweatshirt and her sweatshirts, uh sweatshirt and her underwear on. But the medical examiner underwear on. But the medical examiner underwear on. But the medical examiner said that the underwear had kind of been said that the underwear had kind of been said that the underwear had kind of been put on in a twisted manner and also put on in a twisted manner and also put on in a twisted manner and also shoved into her body, parts of it, shoved into her body, parts of it, shoved into her body, parts of it, indicating a sexual assault. Mhm.

indicating a sexual assault. Mhm. indicating a sexual assault. Mhm. >> So from your experience, >> So from your experience, >> So from your experience, did he undress her and dress her? did he undress her and dress her? did he undress her and dress her? >> Yes. I mean, she was found with pants >> Yes. I mean, she was found with pants >> Yes. I mean, she was found with pants fully on. fully on. fully on. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. So he had to put that back. So we >> Right. So he had to put that back. So we >> Right. So he had to put that back. So we don't know if don't know if don't know if it's it doesn't sound like the underwear it's it doesn't sound like the underwear it's it doesn't sound like the underwear was ever fully off and that there was was ever fully off and that there was was ever fully off and that there was actually more violence to the rape. actually more violence to the rape. actually more violence to the rape. >> Yes. But then he goes and puts the pants >> Yes. But then he goes and puts the pants >> Yes. But then he goes and puts the pants back on. Because of the way that she back on. Because of the way that she back on. Because of the way that she died, because of the died, because of the died, because of the mechanical esphyxiation, mechanical esphyxiation, mechanical esphyxiation, we're not looking at pinning someone we're not looking at pinning someone we're not looking at pinning someone down and raping them. Now we're looking down and raping them. Now we're looking down and raping them. Now we're looking at violently at violently at violently ending their life and raping them. ending their life and raping them. ending their life and raping them. >> Yes. This was very violent >> Yes. This was very violent >> Yes. This was very violent >> in haste as well. >> in haste as well. >> in haste as well. >> Yes. Yes. it. Um, it's so disturbing >> Yes. Yes. it. Um, it's so disturbing >> Yes. Yes. it. Um, it's so disturbing because the mechanical esphyxiation because the mechanical esphyxiation because the mechanical esphyxiation is described as possibly being a is described as possibly being a is described as possibly being a chokehold.

chokehold. chokehold. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which is kind of what you described had >> Which is kind of what you described had >> Which is kind of what you described had perhaps been experienced within this perhaps been experienced within this perhaps been experienced within this family unit based on family court family unit based on family court family unit based on family court records. records. records. >> Right. in the 2024 >> Right. in the 2024 >> Right. in the 2024 incident of the older son of Shantel incident of the older son of Shantel incident of the older son of Shantel wanting to get out of the car because he wanting to get out of the car because he wanting to get out of the car because he didn't want to move with the family once didn't want to move with the family once didn't want to move with the family once they had just been married and they had they had just been married and they had they had just been married and they had to hold him down. He was going to jump to hold him down. He was going to jump to hold him down. He was going to jump out of a moving car. They put him in a out of a moving car. They put him in a out of a moving car. They put him in a chokeold. chokeold. chokeold. So now we have Timothy, who seems like a So now we have Timothy, who seems like a So now we have Timothy, who seems like a gullible, susceptible child, just gullible, susceptible child, just gullible, susceptible child, just witnessed how you hold someone down. witnessed how you hold someone down. witnessed how you hold someone down. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. The medical examiner also said that The medical examiner also said that The medical examiner also said that there was significant bruising to her there was significant bruising to her there was significant bruising to her neck and there were broken blood vessels neck and there were broken blood vessels neck and there were broken blood vessels in the eyes and the face. And the in the eyes and the face. And the in the eyes and the face. And the autopsy confirmed that Anna was sexually autopsy confirmed that Anna was sexually autopsy confirmed that Anna was sexually assaulted before her death. DNA was assaulted before her death. DNA was assaulted before her death. DNA was taken for a rape kit. Also, samples from taken for a rape kit. Also, samples from taken for a rape kit. Also, samples from fingernails were taken and Timothy's fingernails were taken and Timothy's fingernails were taken and Timothy's semen semen semen was identified.

was identified. was identified. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. It's horrifying. It's horrifying. It's horrifying. >> That is very strong evidence. >> That is very strong evidence. >> That is very strong evidence. >> Yes. Yes. And it it wasn't mutual >> Yes. Yes. And it it wasn't mutual >> Yes. Yes. And it it wasn't mutual because of all the evidence we have because of all the evidence we have because of all the evidence we have leading up to her saying she wanted away leading up to her saying she wanted away leading up to her saying she wanted away from this guy. from this guy. from this guy. >> Mhm. because you're thinking that maybe >> Mhm. because you're thinking that maybe >> Mhm. because you're thinking that maybe the defense will try and claim that this the defense will try and claim that this the defense will try and claim that this was somehow consensual. was somehow consensual. was somehow consensual. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which we have not we really haven't >> Which we have not we really haven't >> Which we have not we really haven't gotten in into the details yet because gotten in into the details yet because gotten in into the details yet because the case hasn't really been tried. It's the case hasn't really been tried. It's the case hasn't really been tried. It's talked about because there are all these talked about because there are all these talked about because there are all these hearings having to deal with the charges hearings having to deal with the charges hearings having to deal with the charges and will he be detained and then moving and will he be detained and then moving and will he be detained and then moving forward. So that's how we're getting forward. So that's how we're getting forward. So that's how we're getting some of this information, but I didn't some of this information, but I didn't some of this information, but I didn't even know what the defense is going to even know what the defense is going to even know what the defense is going to be in all of this. be in all of this. be in all of this. What I think they're starting to paint What I think they're starting to paint What I think they're starting to paint this picture, right? We're getting more this picture, right? We're getting more this picture, right? We're getting more and more information from the father's and more information from the father's and more information from the father's custody battle, begging for custody of custody battle, begging for custody of custody battle, begging for custody of the son, still begging for custody. the son, still begging for custody. the son, still begging for custody. This mental illness that is present, This mental illness that is present, This mental illness that is present, which we have only heard of ADHD and which we have only heard of ADHD and which we have only heard of ADHD and insomnia, insomnia, insomnia, >> which do not a killer make?

>> which do not a killer make? >> which do not a killer make? >> No. And if you don't take your ADHD >> No. And if you don't take your ADHD >> No. And if you don't take your ADHD medicine and you miss your sleep medicine and you miss your sleep medicine and you miss your sleep medicine, which really it it's not sleep medicine, which really it it's not sleep medicine, which really it it's not sleep medicine. He was on blood pressure medicine. He was on blood pressure medicine. He was on blood pressure medicine, off label use, calms you down, medicine, off label use, calms you down, medicine, off label use, calms you down, you sleep a little better. And he didn't you sleep a little better. And he didn't you sleep a little better. And he didn't take it because he fell asleep on his take it because he fell asleep on his take it because he fell asleep on his own. So, let's just squash all that. It own. So, let's just squash all that. It own. So, let's just squash all that. It wasn't like he was on ambient and wasn't like he was on ambient and wasn't like he was on ambient and hallucinated this um these none of this hallucinated this um these none of this hallucinated this um these none of this paints the picture of paints the picture of paints the picture of someone who would violently rape and someone who would violently rape and someone who would violently rape and kill someone, right? The picture I see kill someone, right? The picture I see kill someone, right? The picture I see is this longevity, is the one year of is this longevity, is the one year of is this longevity, is the one year of him obsessing over her, creeping around him obsessing over her, creeping around him obsessing over her, creeping around her, following her around the house, her, following her around the house, her, following her around the house, this isolated boy at school. You have no this isolated boy at school. You have no this isolated boy at school. You have no one talking who really knew him, right? one talking who really knew him, right? one talking who really knew him, right? The father saying there's an untreated The father saying there's an untreated The father saying there's an untreated mental illness. And then Anna sleeps mental illness. And then Anna sleeps mental illness. And then Anna sleeps with another teenager consensually on with another teenager consensually on with another teenager consensually on the cruise ship. And then we have the the cruise ship. And then we have the the cruise ship. And then we have the moment, this is my interpretation of moment, this is my interpretation of moment, this is my interpretation of Timothy saying, "If I can't have her, no Timothy saying, "If I can't have her, no Timothy saying, "If I can't have her, no one can."

one can." one can." >> That that could have enraged him. >> That that could have enraged him. >> That that could have enraged him. >> And so there's your defense argument. >> And so there's your defense argument. >> And so there's your defense argument. Maybe an emotional crisis. Maybe an emotional crisis. Maybe an emotional crisis. Maybe not guilty by reason of insanity, Maybe not guilty by reason of insanity, Maybe not guilty by reason of insanity, but we do have the covering of the but we do have the covering of the but we do have the covering of the crime. crime. crime. >> And maybe what was on the phone, which >> And maybe what was on the phone, which >> And maybe what was on the phone, which would have no bearing on the actual would have no bearing on the actual would have no bearing on the actual relationship that they had and any relationship that they had and any relationship that they had and any problems they would have had, could have problems they would have had, could have problems they would have had, could have been any communications she may have had been any communications she may have had been any communications she may have had with the boy that authorities say, you with the boy that authorities say, you with the boy that authorities say, you know, the young man that she hooked up know, the young man that she hooked up know, the young man that she hooked up with consensually and he was ruled out with consensually and he was ruled out with consensually and he was ruled out entirely. So entirely. So entirely. So >> that could have been what made him >> that could have been what made him >> that could have been what made him angry. angry. angry. >> Yeah. anything that would have been >> Yeah. anything that would have been >> Yeah. anything that would have been between those two because you know they between those two because you know they between those two because you know they were texting. How else you know? were texting. How else you know? were texting. How else you know? >> And that's why I think the words of the >> And that's why I think the words of the >> And that's why I think the words of the judge are so important. judge are so important. judge are so important. >> Oh yes. >> Oh yes. >> Oh yes. >> Where he said you're a psychopath and >> Where he said you're a psychopath and >> Where he said you're a psychopath and you're going to be locked up because you you're going to be locked up because you you're going to be locked up because you might snap. might snap. might snap. What does that mean? Does he think Yeah, What does that mean? Does he think Yeah, What does that mean? Does he think Yeah, he knows more than we do. Does he think he knows more than we do. Does he think he knows more than we do. Does he think he snapped? Is this argument going to be he snapped? Is this argument going to be he snapped? Is this argument going to be all around a snap? It did take the judge all around a snap? It did take the judge all around a snap? It did take the judge a long time to get there though. And to a long time to get there though. And to a long time to get there though. And to be completely fair here, because if that be completely fair here, because if that be completely fair here, because if that is so, you know, what changed in the is so, you know, what changed in the is so, you know, what changed in the month or two prior to that when month or two prior to that when month or two prior to that when prosecutors were asking to have him prosecutors were asking to have him prosecutors were asking to have him taken off the streets and the parents taken off the streets and the parents taken off the streets and the parents from this blended family were supporting from this blended family were supporting from this blended family were supporting that that that >> because at first, you know, when first

>> because at first, you know, when first >> because at first, you know, when first charged and then even when charged as an charged and then even when charged as an charged and then even when charged as an adult, you know, there were two hearings adult, you know, there were two hearings adult, you know, there were two hearings and the the judge denied and the the judge denied and the the judge denied detaining the young man citing a federal detaining the young man citing a federal detaining the young man citing a federal law that has guidelines for how to deal law that has guidelines for how to deal law that has guidelines for how to deal with juveniles and and those guidelines with juveniles and and those guidelines with juveniles and and those guidelines um try not to have the young person um try not to have the young person um try not to have the young person locked up, right? And he didn't have a locked up, right? And he didn't have a locked up, right? And he didn't have a prior criminal history. So, as I was prior criminal history. So, as I was prior criminal history. So, as I was reading all of this last night, these reading all of this last night, these reading all of this last night, these 150 pages in one of the court records, I 150 pages in one of the court records, I 150 pages in one of the court records, I was like, you know, judge was like, you know, judge was like, you know, judge air on the side of caution. and he's air on the side of caution. and he's air on the side of caution. and he's like, "Well, we also have to be cautious like, "Well, we also have to be cautious like, "Well, we also have to be cautious about this young man." It was just about this young man." It was just about this young man." It was just interesting to hear out loud the interesting to hear out loud the interesting to hear out loud the thinking and how he went from protecting thinking and how he went from protecting thinking and how he went from protecting his rights as well to the point where he his rights as well to the point where he his rights as well to the point where he finally said, "He's got to be in finally said, "He's got to be in finally said, "He's got to be in custody," custody," custody," >> which is so frustrating for me. >> which is so frustrating for me. >> which is so frustrating for me. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Lock him up until keep everyone safe and >> Lock him up until keep everyone safe and >> Lock him up until keep everyone safe and then figure it out.

then figure it out. then figure it out. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Apologize later if you're wrong. Who >> Apologize later if you're wrong. Who >> Apologize later if you're wrong. Who cares? The kid's safe in prison or in cares? The kid's safe in prison or in cares? The kid's safe in prison or in jail. He's fine. And it's not like he jail. He's fine. And it's not like he jail. He's fine. And it's not like he isn't charged with an incredibly serious isn't charged with an incredibly serious isn't charged with an incredibly serious crime. We're not talking about stealing crime. We're not talking about stealing crime. We're not talking about stealing a car here, a car here, a car here, >> right? >> right? >> right? So that is, you know, unless for some So that is, you know, unless for some So that is, you know, unless for some reason, which I would ask you, I would reason, which I would ask you, I would reason, which I would ask you, I would think would be incredibly misguided. think would be incredibly misguided. think would be incredibly misguided. This this feeling that this was a very This this feeling that this was a very This this feeling that this was a very personal crime and wouldn't be committed personal crime and wouldn't be committed personal crime and wouldn't be committed against anyone else because it was against anyone else because it was against anyone else because it was specifically directed at one person. I specifically directed at one person. I specifically directed at one person. I don't see how you can guarantee that don't see how you can guarantee that don't see how you can guarantee that with this young man. with this young man. with this young man. >> No, the only thing I could see is he's >> No, the only thing I could see is he's >> No, the only thing I could see is he's he was living in the house with the he was living in the house with the he was living in the house with the uncle and the girls in the house were 10 uncle and the girls in the house were 10 uncle and the girls in the house were 10 and 12. and 12. and 12. >> I really was concerned about that. I >> I really was concerned about that. I >> I really was concerned about that. I really was. And especially, you know, no really was. And especially, you know, no really was. And especially, you know, no matter what the dynamics are of this uh matter what the dynamics are of this uh matter what the dynamics are of this uh of of the parents in the blended family of of the parents in the blended family of of the parents in the blended family cuz there are, you know, so many parents cuz there are, you know, so many parents cuz there are, you know, so many parents involved because there are so many kids involved because there are so many kids involved because there are so many kids here. Mhm.

here. Mhm. here. Mhm. >> Um but when they came out and they said, >> Um but when they came out and they said, >> Um but when they came out and they said, "We're not comfortable," and that's his "We're not comfortable," and that's his "We're not comfortable," and that's his mother saying that. I'm not comfortable mother saying that. I'm not comfortable mother saying that. I'm not comfortable with him being out there. It's like with him being out there. It's like with him being out there. It's like usually parents are protecting their usually parents are protecting their usually parents are protecting their kids from everything, no matter what kids from everything, no matter what kids from everything, no matter what heinous thing they've done. Not saying heinous thing they've done. Not saying heinous thing they've done. Not saying that that's right, but this one goes in that that's right, but this one goes in that that's right, but this one goes in the opposite direction of what we the opposite direction of what we the opposite direction of what we usually see. usually see. usually see. >> Right. I think we've seen pe we've seen >> Right. I think we've seen pe we've seen >> Right. I think we've seen pe we've seen them all processing their emotions them all processing their emotions them all processing their emotions related to this as more evidence and related to this as more evidence and related to this as more evidence and data has come forward and stories are data has come forward and stories are data has come forward and stories are changing. People are aligning themselves changing. People are aligning themselves changing. People are aligning themselves with other people. Different stepg with other people. Different stepg with other people. Different stepg grandmothers are talking, ants are grandmothers are talking, ants are grandmothers are talking, ants are coming out and talking and it's changing coming out and talking and it's changing coming out and talking and it's changing the way that everybody's perceiving this the way that everybody's perceiving this the way that everybody's perceiving this and moving forward with this and who and moving forward with this and who and moving forward with this and who they're siding with. they're siding with. they're siding with. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But I am on one side. Justice. >> But I am on one side. Justice. >> But I am on one side. Justice. >> Yes, I agree with you. Justice. Justice. >> Yes, I agree with you. Justice. Justice. >> Yes, I agree with you. Justice. Justice. Absolutely. So Anna's grandparents told Absolutely. So Anna's grandparents told Absolutely. So Anna's grandparents told ABC News that Timothy told them ABC News that Timothy told them ABC News that Timothy told them that he didn't remember anything.

Do you believe that's true? That he Do you believe that's true? That he blocked it out? blocked it out? blocked it out? >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] Okay. >> [ __ ] Okay. >> [ __ ] Okay. >> I mean, if we want to talk about real >> I mean, if we want to talk about real >> I mean, if we want to talk about real dissociation from trauma. dissociation from trauma. dissociation from trauma. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't look like that, >> It doesn't look like that, >> It doesn't look like that, right? This is this is litigation right? This is this is litigation right? This is this is litigation induced induced induced mingering. This is not true. He was mingering. This is not true. He was mingering. This is not true. He was present. He was alert. He was aware. You present. He was alert. He was aware. You present. He was alert. He was aware. You know, it was a couple minutes. He was in know, it was a couple minutes. He was in know, it was a couple minutes. He was in the bedroom. A couple minutes later, she the bedroom. A couple minutes later, she the bedroom. A couple minutes later, she comes in. He's seen blocking the comes in. He's seen blocking the comes in. He's seen blocking the brother. He's checking the hallway. He's brother. He's checking the hallway. He's brother. He's checking the hallway. He's moving the phone. He's placing the life moving the phone. He's placing the life moving the phone. He's placing the life vests. That is not a dissociation. And vests. That is not a dissociation. And vests. That is not a dissociation. And the length, the span of that is also way the length, the span of that is also way the length, the span of that is also way too long to be in a dissociative state, too long to be in a dissociative state, too long to be in a dissociative state, especially when there's no notable especially when there's no notable especially when there's no notable history of dissociation as well. And history of dissociation as well. And history of dissociation as well. And missing your blood pressure medication missing your blood pressure medication missing your blood pressure medication for two nights for two nights for two nights is not going to lead to dissociation is not going to lead to dissociation is not going to lead to dissociation either. The only thing I can possibly either. The only thing I can possibly either. The only thing I can possibly see that would is absolutely intense see that would is absolutely intense see that would is absolutely intense vengeance and rage because he wanted her vengeance and rage because he wanted her vengeance and rage because he wanted her and she slept with somebody else. The and she slept with somebody else. The and she slept with somebody else. The grandmother also told the news station grandmother also told the news station grandmother also told the news station that I guess she popped her head in for that I guess she popped her head in for that I guess she popped her head in for part of the FBI questioning him because part of the FBI questioning him because part of the FBI questioning him because they're interviewing everyone. It's not they're interviewing everyone. It's not they're interviewing everyone. It's not like he was detained. Everyone was like he was detained. Everyone was like he was detained. Everyone was allowed to get off the ship that day.

allowed to get off the ship that day. allowed to get off the ship that day. And she said that he was hysterical, And she said that he was hysterical, And she said that he was hysterical, that he was crying so much he couldn't that he was crying so much he couldn't that he was crying so much he couldn't even put words together to make a even put words together to make a even put words together to make a sentence, sentence, sentence, >> right? And they put him on a hold for 72 >> right? And they put him on a hold for 72 >> right? And they put him on a hold for 72 hours, you know, on a psychold. Um, it's hours, you know, on a psychold. Um, it's hours, you know, on a psychold. Um, it's it's called a bunch of different things it's called a bunch of different things it's called a bunch of different things in Florida. Uh, but they let him out, in Florida. Uh, but they let him out, in Florida. Uh, but they let him out, right? They didn't think he was a harm right? They didn't think he was a harm right? They didn't think he was a harm to himself or others. So, I think you to himself or others. So, I think you to himself or others. So, I think you have you have a 16-year-old who is have you have a 16-year-old who is have you have a 16-year-old who is responsible for his actions and was responsible for his actions and was responsible for his actions and was probably genuinely shocked and by by the probably genuinely shocked and by by the probably genuinely shocked and by by the fact that he did it and that hysteria, fact that he did it and that hysteria, fact that he did it and that hysteria, if you will, while he's being questioned if you will, while he's being questioned if you will, while he's being questioned is a manifestation of that of, well, is a manifestation of that of, well, is a manifestation of that of, well, [ __ ] I got caught. Now, what's going to [ __ ] I got caught. Now, what's going to [ __ ] I got caught. Now, what's going to happen? No one ever pays attention to happen? No one ever pays attention to happen? No one ever pays attention to me. I've kind of flew under the radar. me. I've kind of flew under the radar. me. I've kind of flew under the radar. Oh my gosh. Right. So, I think we're Oh my gosh. Right. So, I think we're Oh my gosh. Right. So, I think we're seeing again the cognitive capacity of seeing again the cognitive capacity of seeing again the cognitive capacity of this boy. It's it's probably quite low. this boy. It's it's probably quite low. this boy. It's it's probably quite low. >> Yes. Boy, >> Yes. Boy, >> Yes. Boy, Timothy was considered an initial Timothy was considered an initial Timothy was considered an initial suspect for all of the reasons that suspect for all of the reasons that suspect for all of the reasons that we've outlined, but he wasn't charged we've outlined, but he wasn't charged we've outlined, but he wasn't charged until February 2nd of this year of 2026.

until February 2nd of this year of 2026. until February 2nd of this year of 2026. And he was charged as a juvenile in And he was charged as a juvenile in And he was charged as a juvenile in federal court. And as we explained, the federal court. And as we explained, the federal court. And as we explained, the Juvenile Detention Act has these Juvenile Detention Act has these Juvenile Detention Act has these guidelines which worked in his favor guidelines which worked in his favor guidelines which worked in his favor to stay out of any kind of custody. Now, to stay out of any kind of custody. Now, to stay out of any kind of custody. Now, while that is being argued in the courts while that is being argued in the courts while that is being argued in the courts and prosecutors are fighting to get him and prosecutors are fighting to get him and prosecutors are fighting to get him into custody, into custody, into custody, apparently neither parent from the apparently neither parent from the apparently neither parent from the blended family, cuz again, you know, the blended family, cuz again, you know, the blended family, cuz again, you know, the father of the victim and the mother of father of the victim and the mother of father of the victim and the mother of the accused, they did not want him in the accused, they did not want him in the accused, they did not want him in their home. He was a pariah. So she, the their home. He was a pariah. So she, the their home. He was a pariah. So she, the mom, sends Timothy to live with her mom, sends Timothy to live with her mom, sends Timothy to live with her brother, the boy's uncle, brother, the boy's uncle, brother, the boy's uncle, >> on the, you know, far away on the other >> on the, you know, far away on the other >> on the, you know, far away on the other side of Florida, side of Florida, side of Florida, >> which is crazy when you think of the >> which is crazy when you think of the >> which is crazy when you think of the uncle uncle uncle had his own kids and apparently the had his own kids and apparently the had his own kids and apparently the uncle lived near Timothy's biological uncle lived near Timothy's biological uncle lived near Timothy's biological father. This is so confusing, Leslie.

father. This is so confusing, Leslie. father. This is so confusing, Leslie. Children, right? also had children and Children, right? also had children and Children, right? also had children and he had 20% custody and she had 80% he had 20% custody and she had 80% he had 20% custody and she had 80% custody and somehow she was allowed as custody and somehow she was allowed as custody and somehow she was allowed as the primary parent to make this decision the primary parent to make this decision the primary parent to make this decision to send her son away. I just I don't to send her son away. I just I don't to send her son away. I just I don't Yeah, this is being everything going on Yeah, this is being everything going on Yeah, this is being everything going on with this case is happening in federal with this case is happening in federal with this case is happening in federal court and it's also happening in family court and it's also happening in family court and it's also happening in family court. there's so much going on here. court. there's so much going on here. court. there's so much going on here. >> And I could see the frustration as I was >> And I could see the frustration as I was >> And I could see the frustration as I was reading the transcript from federal reading the transcript from federal reading the transcript from federal court about what to do with him and the court about what to do with him and the court about what to do with him and the judge being like, well, hold on a judge being like, well, hold on a judge being like, well, hold on a second. So, he's not living with his second. So, he's not living with his second. So, he's not living with his parents. He's with It's like, parents. He's with It's like, parents. He's with It's like, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> This he's just been discarded within the >> This he's just been discarded within the >> This he's just been discarded within the family, family, family, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Within the family. It's It's just so so >> Within the family. It's It's just so so >> Within the family. It's It's just so so bizarre. Okay, so People magazine got a bizarre. Okay, so People magazine got a bizarre. Okay, so People magazine got a statement from statement from statement from mother mother mother Right. And father of victim. Right. And father of victim. Right. And father of victim. All right. And this is saying that they All right. And this is saying that they All right. And this is saying that they believe that he should be in custody. believe that he should be in custody. believe that he should be in custody. Quote, "At this time, it is deeply Quote, "At this time, it is deeply Quote, "At this time, it is deeply painful and disturbing to our family painful and disturbing to our family painful and disturbing to our family that the person responsible is able to that the person responsible is able to that the person responsible is able to walk freely. This reality adds to our walk freely. This reality adds to our walk freely. This reality adds to our grief and outrage. It is devastating to grief and outrage. It is devastating to grief and outrage. It is devastating to know that while we live every day with know that while we live every day with know that while we live every day with the loss of our child, the individual the loss of our child, the individual the loss of our child, the individual responsible has not yet been fully held responsible has not yet been fully held responsible has not yet been fully held accountable. What do you think of that?

accountable. What do you think of that? accountable. What do you think of that? >> I I take it with a grain of salt because >> I I take it with a grain of salt because >> I I take it with a grain of salt because in these cases, it's always it's going in these cases, it's always it's going in these cases, it's always it's going to change, right? It's a nice statement. to change, right? It's a nice statement. to change, right? It's a nice statement. It's a nice PR move. It's a nice PR move. It's a nice PR move. >> Well, they're basically saying we want >> Well, they're basically saying we want >> Well, they're basically saying we want him locked up. him locked up. him locked up. >> We want him locked up. We are also not >> We want him locked up. We are also not >> We want him locked up. We are also not responsible. We are not taking any responsible. We are not taking any responsible. We are not taking any accountability. We are surprised by accountability. We are surprised by accountability. We are surprised by this. this. this. >> We didn't do it. >> We didn't do it. >> We didn't do it. >> So there's they're distancing themselves >> So there's they're distancing themselves >> So there's they're distancing themselves which tells me there is something that which tells me there is something that which tells me there is something that connects them. connects them. connects them. I don't know how you go to bed at night I don't know how you go to bed at night I don't know how you go to bed at night and you know your daughter and you know your daughter and you know your daughter has allegedly been killed by your new has allegedly been killed by your new has allegedly been killed by your new wife's son. I mean I don't wife's son. I mean I don't wife's son. I mean I don't >> Yeah. I do not want to be at that dinner >> Yeah. I do not want to be at that dinner >> Yeah. I do not want to be at that dinner table. table. table. >> Yeah. And and that >> Yeah. And and that >> Yeah. And and that disbelief is disbelief is disbelief is probably because it's chaos in the probably because it's chaos in the probably because it's chaos in the house, right? Like that statement is not house, right? Like that statement is not house, right? Like that statement is not an accurate representation of what's an accurate representation of what's an accurate representation of what's really happening. So again, we've got really happening. So again, we've got really happening. So again, we've got the lawyers have come in. We have we the lawyers have come in. We have we the lawyers have come in. We have we have people guiding everyone on what to have people guiding everyone on what to have people guiding everyone on what to say and the strategies have begun.

say and the strategies have begun. say and the strategies have begun. And so you really just take it with a And so you really just take it with a And so you really just take it with a grain of salt and wait for the next grain of salt and wait for the next grain of salt and wait for the next statement. The the next evidence, the statement. The the next evidence, the statement. The the next evidence, the trial is going to tell us everything. I trial is going to tell us everything. I trial is going to tell us everything. I wish it would be publicized, but because wish it would be publicized, but because wish it would be publicized, but because it's federal, we won't be able to watch. it's federal, we won't be able to watch. it's federal, we won't be able to watch. That's correct. Cameras are not allowed That's correct. Cameras are not allowed That's correct. Cameras are not allowed in a federal courthouse. If it goes to in a federal courthouse. If it goes to in a federal courthouse. If it goes to trial, if it goes to trial, I don't trial, if it goes to trial, I don't trial, if it goes to trial, I don't know. And know. And know. And here's one concern. Obviously, justice here's one concern. Obviously, justice here's one concern. Obviously, justice for Anna is primary here, but as far as for Anna is primary here, but as far as for Anna is primary here, but as far as a fairness and application of the law, a fairness and application of the law, a fairness and application of the law, >> who is actually advocating for the >> who is actually advocating for the >> who is actually advocating for the rights of Timothy? And many of you all rights of Timothy? And many of you all rights of Timothy? And many of you all are like screaming now saying he are like screaming now saying he are like screaming now saying he shouldn't have any. shouldn't have any. shouldn't have any. >> Um, you view him as having done >> Um, you view him as having done >> Um, you view him as having done something evil and monstrous. And if something evil and monstrous. And if something evil and monstrous. And if this proves to be true, that is correct. this proves to be true, that is correct. this proves to be true, that is correct. But But But who's standing by his side since he is a who's standing by his side since he is a who's standing by his side since he is a minor even though he's being treated as minor even though he's being treated as minor even though he's being treated as an adult?

an adult? an adult? >> I think the biological father >> I think the biological father >> I think the biological father >> is the only one >> is the only one >> is the only one >> who came forward and even made a >> who came forward and even made a >> who came forward and even made a stronger statement saying he wanted stronger statement saying he wanted stronger statement saying he wanted custody because now look the mom is so custody because now look the mom is so custody because now look the mom is so unfit to be a parent that it's led to unfit to be a parent that it's led to unfit to be a parent that it's led to his son being an alleged rapist and his son being an alleged rapist and his son being an alleged rapist and murderer. And the reason I ask about murderer. And the reason I ask about murderer. And the reason I ask about who's going to advocate for him as a who's going to advocate for him as a who's going to advocate for him as a parental figure is because he's going to parental figure is because he's going to parental figure is because he's going to be faced with a lot of decisions and he be faced with a lot of decisions and he be faced with a lot of decisions and he is going to need someone to guide him is going to need someone to guide him is going to need someone to guide him beyond just the attorney. beyond just the attorney. beyond just the attorney. >> So >> So >> So >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> who's going to be the sounding board? >> who's going to be the sounding board? >> who's going to be the sounding board? Who's going to help him make a decision Who's going to help him make a decision Who's going to help him make a decision about what is in his best interest as about what is in his best interest as about what is in his best interest as far as should he take a plea deal? What far as should he take a plea deal? What far as should he take a plea deal? What should that plea deal be? That's that's should that plea deal be? That's that's should that plea deal be? That's that's what I'm concerned about with all this what I'm concerned about with all this what I'm concerned about with all this like hands off from parental figures like hands off from parental figures like hands off from parental figures that how will he navigate this? I think that how will he navigate this? I think that how will he navigate this? I think initially a psychologist I think you initially a psychologist I think you initially a psychologist I think you know he'll go through the competency know he'll go through the competency know he'll go through the competency evaluation if he can't be found comp evaluation if he can't be found comp evaluation if he can't be found comp competent if he doesn't understand a competent if he doesn't understand a competent if he doesn't understand a plea deal he doesn't understand what a plea deal he doesn't understand what a plea deal he doesn't understand what a jury is a judge um he'll be put into a jury is a judge um he'll be put into a jury is a judge um he'll be put into a state hospital he'll be put into a state hospital he'll be put into a state hospital he'll be put into a longstanding facility and they're going longstanding facility and they're going longstanding facility and they're going to teach him they're going to teach him to teach him they're going to teach him to teach him they're going to teach him what it means and they're going to do what it means and they're going to do what it means and they're going to do mock trials and they're going to get him mock trials and they're going to get him mock trials and they're going to get him to a point where he can go to a real to a point where he can go to a real to a point where he can go to a real trial and put forward a plea cuz right trial and put forward a plea cuz right trial and put forward a plea cuz right now I don't think there's a plea or he's now I don't think there's a plea or he's now I don't think there's a plea or he's denying all of it.

denying all of it. denying all of it. >> Yeah, he has. He the uh plea has been >> Yeah, he has. He the uh plea has been >> Yeah, he has. He the uh plea has been entered of not guilty on his behalf and entered of not guilty on his behalf and entered of not guilty on his behalf and we we don't know anything about a deal we we don't know anything about a deal we we don't know anything about a deal here. Um I'm just wondering how he's if here. Um I'm just wondering how he's if here. Um I'm just wondering how he's if he if as you believe cognitively he if as you believe cognitively he if as you believe cognitively he's not at age appropriate, he's not at age appropriate, he's not at age appropriate, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> That maybe he won't be able to navigate >> That maybe he won't be able to navigate >> That maybe he won't be able to navigate these waters and make those decisions. I these waters and make those decisions. I these waters and make those decisions. I I don't know. I mean I I know all of you I don't know. I mean I I know all of you I don't know. I mean I I know all of you are screaming who cares you know and are screaming who cares you know and are screaming who cares you know and >> but that's what we have to care >> but that's what we have to care >> but that's what we have to care >> I think so >> I think so >> I think so >> because our taxpayer dollars are paying >> because our taxpayer dollars are paying >> because our taxpayer dollars are paying to hold him right so if he is found not to hold him right so if he is found not to hold him right so if he is found not competent and if he's never competent competent and if he's never competent competent and if he's never competent for example in California then he just for example in California then he just for example in California then he just gets out he'll just get out gets out he'll just get out gets out he'll just get out and that is wild to me but this is and that is wild to me but this is and that is wild to me but this is Florida Florida Florida >> this is Florida it's federal court but >> this is Florida it's federal court but >> this is Florida it's federal court but it's Florida. I think it's highly it's Florida. I think it's highly it's Florida. I think it's highly unlikely that we see that scenario. unlikely that we see that scenario. unlikely that we see that scenario. Very, very unlikely. So, prosecutors Very, very unlikely. So, prosecutors Very, very unlikely. So, prosecutors then make the move to charge him as an then make the move to charge him as an then make the move to charge him as an adult with the hopes that now he can be adult with the hopes that now he can be adult with the hopes that now he can be detained. And I'm not saying that's the detained. And I'm not saying that's the detained. And I'm not saying that's the only reason. I mean, I I do agree he only reason. I mean, I I do agree he only reason. I mean, I I do agree he should be charged as an adult. 16 16 is should be charged as an adult. 16 16 is should be charged as an adult. 16 16 is old enough. He's old enough to know old enough. He's old enough to know old enough. He's old enough to know right from wrong. And I I think he right from wrong. And I I think he right from wrong. And I I think he should be charged as an adult. So should be charged as an adult. So should be charged as an adult. So anyway, they convene a federal grand anyway, they convene a federal grand anyway, they convene a federal grand jury because remember this is federal jury because remember this is federal jury because remember this is federal court. And now Timothy is indicted on court. And now Timothy is indicted on court. And now Timothy is indicted on first-degree murder, aggravated sexual first-degree murder, aggravated sexual first-degree murder, aggravated sexual assault. But he's still free. In fact,

assault. But he's still free. In fact, assault. But he's still free. In fact, he was free until he was free until he was free until just a little while ago. just a little while ago. just a little while ago. >> A month ago. Yeah. >> A month ago. Yeah. >> A month ago. Yeah. >> June 15th. >> June 15th. >> June 15th. >> June 15th, he finally surrenders to >> June 15th, he finally surrenders to >> June 15th, he finally surrenders to marshals. marshals. marshals. Okay. And as part of the ruling, Okay. And as part of the ruling, Okay. And as part of the ruling, remember I said, you know, the judge remember I said, you know, the judge remember I said, you know, the judge took a while to get to this place. Judge took a while to get to this place. Judge took a while to get to this place. Judge Edwin Torres noted that about what Edwin Torres noted that about what Edwin Torres noted that about what prosecutors were seeking here and said, prosecutors were seeking here and said, prosecutors were seeking here and said, quote, "This is a case for a forcable quote, "This is a case for a forcable quote, "This is a case for a forcable this case for forcible rape is beyond this case for forcible rape is beyond this case for forcible rape is beyond clear and convincing and also noted that clear and convincing and also noted that clear and convincing and also noted that Timothy's alleged actions Timothy's alleged actions Timothy's alleged actions suggest a level of psychopathy suggest a level of psychopathy suggest a level of psychopathy and lack of remorse that by itself and lack of remorse that by itself and lack of remorse that by itself raises a serious concern that Timothy raises a serious concern that Timothy raises a serious concern that Timothy can snap at any time despite the can snap at any time despite the can snap at any time despite the well-meaning and serious efforts of his well-meaning and serious efforts of his well-meaning and serious efforts of his caretakers, not even his parents to make caretakers, not even his parents to make caretakers, not even his parents to make sure that that doesn't happen again. So, sure that that doesn't happen again. So, sure that that doesn't happen again. So, what is psychopathy? what is psychopathy? what is psychopathy? >> Well, we have a test for psychopathy and >> Well, we have a test for psychopathy and >> Well, we have a test for psychopathy and we have a test for juvenile psychopathy.

we have a test for juvenile psychopathy. we have a test for juvenile psychopathy. So, if we're looking at it from a So, if we're looking at it from a So, if we're looking at it from a juvenile lens, it's it's a little less juvenile lens, it's it's a little less juvenile lens, it's it's a little less of an expectation, but we're looking for of an expectation, but we're looking for of an expectation, but we're looking for two main facets, interpersonal and two main facets, interpersonal and two main facets, interpersonal and effective relations, and we're looking effective relations, and we're looking effective relations, and we're looking at antisocial traits. And this is where at antisocial traits. And this is where at antisocial traits. And this is where I don't know a lot about this guy, I don't know a lot about this guy, I don't know a lot about this guy, right? I don't know a lot about his high right? I don't know a lot about his high right? I don't know a lot about his high school life, but we are looking at school life, but we are looking at school life, but we are looking at glibess. Okay, check. We got that glibess. Okay, check. We got that glibess. Okay, check. We got that grandiosity. He sure felt entitled to grandiosity. He sure felt entitled to grandiosity. He sure felt entitled to her. Pathological lying. He tried to get her. Pathological lying. He tried to get her. Pathological lying. He tried to get away with it. Manipulation, shallow away with it. Manipulation, shallow away with it. Manipulation, shallow affect, callousness, failure to accept affect, callousness, failure to accept affect, callousness, failure to accept responsibility. Okay, so we've got that responsibility. Okay, so we've got that responsibility. Okay, so we've got that one side, that interpersonal effective one side, that interpersonal effective one side, that interpersonal effective side. Now, the antisocial side, need for side. Now, the antisocial side, need for side. Now, the antisocial side, need for stimulation. stimulation. stimulation. I would say doing that is a need for I would say doing that is a need for I would say doing that is a need for stimulation. stimulation. stimulation. Parasitic lifestyle. We don't really Parasitic lifestyle. We don't really Parasitic lifestyle. We don't really know, but he's sucking her dry in the know, but he's sucking her dry in the know, but he's sucking her dry in the household and she's very uncomfortable. household and she's very uncomfortable. household and she's very uncomfortable. Poor behavioral control. Okay. Have we Poor behavioral control. Okay. Have we Poor behavioral control. Okay. Have we seen rageful moments? Well, he climbed seen rageful moments? Well, he climbed seen rageful moments? Well, he climbed into her bed when she was asleep. Okay.

into her bed when she was asleep. Okay. into her bed when she was asleep. Okay. That's also criminal versatility. We That's also criminal versatility. We That's also criminal versatility. We have murder and rape. I don't know if have murder and rape. I don't know if have murder and rape. I don't know if there was juvenile delinquency. We can there was juvenile delinquency. We can there was juvenile delinquency. We can count the current juvenile delinquency. count the current juvenile delinquency. count the current juvenile delinquency. And then what we need to know are early And then what we need to know are early And then what we need to know are early behavioral problems. Was there conduct behavioral problems. Was there conduct behavioral problems. Was there conduct disorder, oppositional defi defiant disorder, oppositional defi defiant disorder, oppositional defi defiant disorder? What was he like as a kid? Was disorder? What was he like as a kid? Was disorder? What was he like as a kid? Was he killing animals? Right? he killing animals? Right? he killing animals? Right? >> You know, was he be wetting the bed? Was >> You know, was he be wetting the bed? Was >> You know, was he be wetting the bed? Was he starting fires? Right? So, we've he starting fires? Right? So, we've he starting fires? Right? So, we've already got enough data to say he would already got enough data to say he would already got enough data to say he would score very high as a psychopath. And he may have other diagnoses as well. And he may have other diagnoses as well. We can have a lot all at once. Isn't We can have a lot all at once. Isn't We can have a lot all at once. Isn't that fun? that fun? that fun? >> Yeah. Like, yeah. I always say it's like >> Yeah. Like, yeah. I always say it's like >> Yeah. Like, yeah. I always say it's like you can you a good person can do bad you can you a good person can do bad you can you a good person can do bad things, right? And a bad person can do things, right? And a bad person can do things, right? And a bad person can do good things, which is what is so complex good things, which is what is so complex good things, which is what is so complex about human beings. Yes. about human beings. Yes. about human beings. Yes. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. And in this one, I mean, it's just it's And in this one, I mean, it's just it's And in this one, I mean, it's just it's it's just so evil and it's so violent it's just so evil and it's so violent it's just so evil and it's so violent and it's so destructive to so many and it's so destructive to so many and it's so destructive to so many people in this extended family and it's people in this extended family and it's people in this extended family and it's going to take a long time to figure it going to take a long time to figure it going to take a long time to figure it out. It's so complicated and so many out. It's so complicated and so many out. It's so complicated and so many juries are people, innocent people are juries are people, innocent people are juries are people, innocent people are being brought in having to see these being brought in having to see these being brought in having to see these pictures and hear these stories and the pictures and hear these stories and the pictures and hear these stories and the victims, the family, the the little kids victims, the family, the the little kids victims, the family, the the little kids are all being retraumatized.

are all being retraumatized. are all being retraumatized. It is just such a complicated It is just such a complicated It is just such a complicated multiaceted multiaceted multiaceted trauma. So, you know, just don't rape trauma. So, you know, just don't rape trauma. So, you know, just don't rape people. Just don't kill people. people. Just don't kill people. people. Just don't kill people. >> Well, it doesn't work. If only if only >> Well, it doesn't work. If only if only >> Well, it doesn't work. If only if only it would be as simple as that, right? it would be as simple as that, right? it would be as simple as that, right? But that is why I find crime so But that is why I find crime so But that is why I find crime so fascinating because it's not just um fascinating because it's not just um fascinating because it's not just um issues of you know if someone has like I issues of you know if someone has like I issues of you know if someone has like I say like a defect with a serial killer say like a defect with a serial killer say like a defect with a serial killer cuz something entirely a different kind cuz something entirely a different kind cuz something entirely a different kind of killer there but these crimes of of killer there but these crimes of of killer there but these crimes of passion or opportunity or it's about passion or opportunity or it's about passion or opportunity or it's about money or or your secrets about to become money or or your secrets about to become money or or your secrets about to become revealed and you'll do anything to stop revealed and you'll do anything to stop revealed and you'll do anything to stop that. It's about how you react to these that. It's about how you react to these that. It's about how you react to these things. And also there's a lot of logic things. And also there's a lot of logic things. And also there's a lot of logic to it. And in this one, I do believe to it. And in this one, I do believe to it. And in this one, I do believe that there is something violently ill in that there is something violently ill in that there is something violently ill in this young man. this young man. this young man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you think if they had not been >> Do you think if they had not been >> Do you think if they had not been rooming together, rooming together, rooming together, do you think that this might have still do you think that this might have still do you think that this might have still happened? happened? happened? >> 100%. >> 100%. >> 100%. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Just maybe elsewhere back at the house.

>> Just maybe elsewhere back at the house. >> Just maybe elsewhere back at the house. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I I think there's a there's a lack of >> I I think there's a there's a lack of >> I I think there's a there's a lack of parental supervision. both parents work parental supervision. both parents work parental supervision. both parents work a lot and are busy. I think he would a lot and are busy. I think he would a lot and are busy. I think he would have done it again. He would have been have done it again. He would have been have done it again. He would have been opportunistic and figured out a way to opportunistic and figured out a way to opportunistic and figured out a way to fulfill his obsession with Anna. fulfill his obsession with Anna. fulfill his obsession with Anna. >> I just think that there was a unique >> I just think that there was a unique >> I just think that there was a unique opportunity here to be sleeping in the opportunity here to be sleeping in the opportunity here to be sleeping in the same room. same room. same room. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That there might not have been >> That there might not have been >> That there might not have been anywhere else. It was it was a unique anywhere else. It was it was a unique anywhere else. It was it was a unique opportunity for him. So Timothy is opportunity for him. So Timothy is opportunity for him. So Timothy is currently in the custody of the Citrus currently in the custody of the Citrus currently in the custody of the Citrus County Jail and he's expecting to County Jail and he's expecting to County Jail and he's expecting to undergo mental evaluation undergo mental evaluation undergo mental evaluation and then he will be transferred to a and then he will be transferred to a and then he will be transferred to a juvenile facility in Miami Dade West juvenile facility in Miami Dade West juvenile facility in Miami Dade West Metro, a detention center there by July Metro, a detention center there by July Metro, a detention center there by July 10th. He will be moved. So you know they 10th. He will be moved. So you know they 10th. He will be moved. So you know they they don't want him housed with adult they don't want him housed with adult they don't want him housed with adult criminals because that could be criminals because that could be criminals because that could be incredibly dangerous for him. So, it incredibly dangerous for him. So, it incredibly dangerous for him. So, it makes sense for him to be in a juvenile makes sense for him to be in a juvenile makes sense for him to be in a juvenile detention center, which I'm sure is detention center, which I'm sure is detention center, which I'm sure is also, you know, can be a rough and scary also, you know, can be a rough and scary also, you know, can be a rough and scary place, but there are consequences to place, but there are consequences to place, but there are consequences to actions. As I always say, Timothy's actions. As I always say, Timothy's actions. As I always say, Timothy's trial has been set for September, which trial has been set for September, which trial has been set for September, which is really soon, and he faces a maximum is really soon, and he faces a maximum is really soon, and he faces a maximum of life in prison. Last month, Anna's of life in prison. Last month, Anna's of life in prison. Last month, Anna's high school, Temple Christian, held a high school, Temple Christian, held a high school, Temple Christian, held a graduation, graduation, graduation, and her father, Christopher, accepted and her father, Christopher, accepted and her father, Christopher, accepted Anna's diploma on her behalf. He went on Anna's diploma on her behalf. He went on Anna's diploma on her behalf. He went on stage,

stage, stage, issued the diploma. issued the diploma. issued the diploma. >> It gives me chills. It's so incredibly >> It gives me chills. It's so incredibly >> It gives me chills. It's so incredibly sad. sad. sad. >> Yeah, it really is. So, we will be >> Yeah, it really is. So, we will be >> Yeah, it really is. So, we will be following this case to see what happens. following this case to see what happens. following this case to see what happens. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, it is time for our comment >> Well, it is time for our comment >> Well, it is time for our comment section. These are the crime cases that section. These are the crime cases that section. These are the crime cases that you all are talking about on social you all are talking about on social you all are talking about on social media. But today, for those of you who media. But today, for those of you who media. But today, for those of you who are watching, not those of you are watching, not those of you are watching, not those of you listening, you're probably saying, listening, you're probably saying, listening, you're probably saying, "Where the heck is everyone today? Where "Where the heck is everyone today? Where "Where the heck is everyone today? Where are you?" and we are in our special true are you?" and we are in our special true are you?" and we are in our special true crime news studio at Warner Brothers crime news studio at Warner Brothers crime news studio at Warner Brothers headquarters in Burbank. So this is the headquarters in Burbank. So this is the headquarters in Burbank. So this is the time when we ask Will, our producer, to time when we ask Will, our producer, to time when we ask Will, our producer, to talk about what people, you know, all talk about what people, you know, all talk about what people, you know, all the comments section and and we actually the comments section and and we actually the comments section and and we actually had to have a discussion since we had to have a discussion since we had to have a discussion since we haven't really done it in this setup and haven't really done it in this setup and haven't really done it in this setup and we're all out of sorts. It's like where we're all out of sorts. It's like where we're all out of sorts. It's like where are we going to put Will? So Will is on are we going to put Will? So Will is on are we going to put Will? So Will is on the other side of the glass. the other side of the glass. the other side of the glass. >> I'm in my regular spot. I'm in the booth >> I'm in my regular spot. I'm in the booth >> I'm in my regular spot. I'm in the booth over here and uh I apologize like over here and uh I apologize like over here and uh I apologize like because of the lighting thing Leslie because of the lighting thing Leslie because of the lighting thing Leslie can't really see my face through the can't really see my face through the can't really see my face through the window. Okay. Okay. You can see me window. Okay. Okay. You can see me window. Okay. Okay. You can see me through the window. Great. through the window. Great. through the window. Great. >> Really little.

>> Really little. >> Really little. >> Um so yeah, it's uh it's a different >> Um so yeah, it's uh it's a different >> Um so yeah, it's uh it's a different setup, but we're making it work. We're setup, but we're making it work. We're setup, but we're making it work. We're making it work. We're happy to be in making it work. We're happy to be in making it work. We're happy to be in studio. Um studio. Um studio. Um >> it's just it's just so funny because I'm >> it's just it's just so funny because I'm >> it's just it's just so funny because I'm just like I'm I have to look this way to just like I'm I have to look this way to just like I'm I have to look this way to see you on the other side. Like honestly see you on the other side. Like honestly see you on the other side. Like honestly for a crime show it's like you know for a crime show it's like you know for a crime show it's like you know you're a prisoner and I'm coming to talk you're a prisoner and I'm coming to talk you're a prisoner and I'm coming to talk to you and question you in custody. to you and question you in custody. to you and question you in custody. >> We're going for Yeah. Like a sort of an >> We're going for Yeah. Like a sort of an >> We're going for Yeah. Like a sort of an Well, we were going for more of an Well, we were going for more of an Well, we were going for more of an interrogation feel, but uh like through interrogation feel, but uh like through interrogation feel, but uh like through the glass the prison visit works as the glass the prison visit works as the glass the prison visit works as well. It works as well. well. It works as well. well. It works as well. >> I'm going to put up a hand to touch you. >> I'm going to put up a hand to touch you. >> I'm going to put up a hand to touch you. >> I feel safer this way. No one can get to >> I feel safer this way. No one can get to >> I feel safer this way. No one can get to me. me. me. >> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. >> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. >> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. >> Oh my god. All right, Will. So, what's >> Oh my god. All right, Will. So, what's >> Oh my god. All right, Will. So, what's going on? going on? going on? >> All right, so this week we have uh a >> All right, so this week we have uh a >> All right, so this week we have uh a case of things getting sticky for a case of things getting sticky for a case of things getting sticky for a slippery political wannabe. This case slippery political wannabe. This case slippery political wannabe. This case comes out of Queens, New York, where comes out of Queens, New York, where comes out of Queens, New York, where >> Queens, New York. That's where I grew >> Queens, New York. That's where I grew >> Queens, New York. That's where I grew up. up. up. >> I'm aware. That's why I picked the >> I'm aware. That's why I picked the >> I'm aware. That's why I picked the story. story. story. >> Oh, exciting. We never know, Leslie. We >> Oh, exciting. We never know, Leslie. We >> Oh, exciting. We never know, Leslie. We never know what Will's going to talk never know what Will's going to talk never know what Will's going to talk about.

about. about. >> Okay. He always keeps it a secret. >> Okay. He always keeps it a secret. >> Okay. He always keeps it a secret. >> I'm excited. >> I'm excited. >> I'm excited. >> Yeah, I always keep it a secret. Um, so, >> Yeah, I always keep it a secret. Um, so, >> Yeah, I always keep it a secret. Um, so, uh, in in Queens here, a political uh, in in Queens here, a political uh, in in Queens here, a political hopeful who's been dubbed by media hopeful who's been dubbed by media hopeful who's been dubbed by media outlets the [ __ ] has been outlets the [ __ ] has been outlets the [ __ ] has been arrested for fraudulently using AI to arrested for fraudulently using AI to arrested for fraudulently using AI to create fake campaign endorsements. Now, create fake campaign endorsements. Now, create fake campaign endorsements. Now, the defendant here, 47-year-old Jonathan the defendant here, 47-year-old Jonathan the defendant here, 47-year-old Jonathan Raldi, is kind of like a like a Raldi, is kind of like a like a Raldi, is kind of like a like a perennial political candidate. Have you perennial political candidate. Have you perennial political candidate. Have you heard of him before, Anna? He's like heard of him before, Anna? He's like heard of him before, Anna? He's like >> I haven't. >> I haven't. >> I haven't. >> Okay. So, he he's like he does all these >> Okay. So, he he's like he does all these >> Okay. So, he he's like he does all these antics. uh he's runs for uh various like antics. uh he's runs for uh various like antics. uh he's runs for uh various like city council seats. He's just very much city council seats. He's just very much city council seats. He's just very much trying to get uh involved in the trying to get uh involved in the trying to get uh involved in the political scene there very political scene there very political scene there very unsuccessfully. unsuccessfully. unsuccessfully. >> Oh my god. Does every city have one of >> Oh my god. Does every city have one of >> Oh my god. Does every city have one of these? I remember in Atlantic City when these? I remember in Atlantic City when these? I remember in Atlantic City when you want to think about nutty and you want to think about nutty and you want to think about nutty and corrupt, right? I used to be a reporter corrupt, right? I used to be a reporter corrupt, right? I used to be a reporter in Atlantic City and there were these in Atlantic City and there were these in Atlantic City and there were these twin brothers and they ran for everything and you and they ran for everything and you never knew which was which.

never knew which was which. never knew which was which. But But But >> well that I mean I feel like there's got >> well that I mean I feel like there's got >> well that I mean I feel like there's got to be some sort of strategy if you're to be some sort of strategy if you're to be some sort of strategy if you're twins there where you could somehow twins there where you could somehow twins there where you could somehow effectively double your votes. But I I effectively double your votes. But I I effectively double your votes. But I I don't know. But I just always remember don't know. But I just always remember don't know. But I just always remember it was just like so annoying because you it was just like so annoying because you it was just like so annoying because you knew that they were not serious but knew that they were not serious but knew that they were not serious but because they were candidates you'd have because they were candidates you'd have because they were candidates you'd have to interview them as part of like the to interview them as part of like the to interview them as part of like the candidates feel and you're just like candidates feel and you're just like candidates feel and you're just like this is an exercise in stupidity this this is an exercise in stupidity this this is an exercise in stupidity this so I guess every city has people like so I guess every city has people like so I guess every city has people like that. that. that. >> Yeah. So it does seem like every city >> Yeah. So it does seem like every city >> Yeah. So it does seem like every city kind of has one of these types of of kind of has one of these types of of kind of has one of these types of of characters. Um he's been doing this for characters. Um he's been doing this for characters. Um he's been doing this for years and he like just I I I want to years and he like just I I I want to years and he like just I I I want to note too this is apolitical. He runs note too this is apolitical. He runs note too this is apolitical. He runs across the political spectrum. Some of across the political spectrum. Some of across the political spectrum. Some of his parties include uh the mad as hell his parties include uh the mad as hell his parties include uh the mad as hell party, the the medical freedom party and party, the the medical freedom party and party, the the medical freedom party and the parent party. Uh all very the parent party. Uh all very the parent party. Uh all very interesting. Now this odd name uh which interesting. Now this odd name uh which interesting. Now this odd name uh which I'm not going to say a second time. I'll I'm not going to say a second time. I'll I'm not going to say a second time. I'll just say the pollinator from now on. Uh just say the pollinator from now on. Uh just say the pollinator from now on. Uh it it it it stems from it it it it stems from it it it it stems from >> he he he received this moniker uh after >> he he he received this moniker uh after >> he he he received this moniker uh after a report that he had been selling his a report that he had been selling his a report that he had been selling his genetic material like on the black genetic material like on the black genetic material like on the black market uh and sort of advertising it as market uh and sort of advertising it as market uh and sort of advertising it as this superior unvaccinated DNA. And this superior unvaccinated DNA. And this superior unvaccinated DNA. And according to a Humans of New York according to a Humans of New York according to a Humans of New York >> and this is has value like someone wants >> and this is has value like someone wants >> and this is has value like someone wants this like someone wants his sperm this like someone wants his sperm this like someone wants his sperm >> apparently. Well, apparently according >> apparently. Well, apparently according >> apparently. Well, apparently according to according to according to according >> according to a Humans of New York >> according to a Humans of New York >> according to a Humans of New York investigation, he fostered more than 12 investigation, he fostered more than 12 investigation, he fostered more than 12 children over a 12 over a 2-year period

children over a 12 over a 2-year period children over a 12 over a 2-year period rather. Sorry. Uh so there could be even rather. Sorry. Uh so there could be even rather. Sorry. Uh so there could be even more out there. And this is kind of more out there. And this is kind of more out there. And this is kind of important because important because important because you know before his political you know before his political you know before his political aspirations he was a a contractor and he aspirations he was a a contractor and he aspirations he was a a contractor and he had like a brief sort of uh reality TV had like a brief sort of uh reality TV had like a brief sort of uh reality TV stint on DIY network's milliondoll stint on DIY network's milliondoll stint on DIY network's milliondoll contractor. I like that show. contractor. I like that show. contractor. I like that show. >> You like that show? You probably know >> You like that show? You probably know >> You like that show? You probably know this guy. this guy. this guy. >> Yeah, Jonathan R and he might ring a >> Yeah, Jonathan R and he might ring a >> Yeah, Jonathan R and he might ring a bell. He was on it for like six seasons. bell. He was on it for like six seasons. bell. He was on it for like six seasons. But anyways, But anyways, But anyways, >> is he tattooed? >> is he tattooed? >> is he tattooed? >> The reason >> The reason >> The reason >> is he tattooed. Dr. L want wants to >> is he tattooed. Dr. L want wants to >> is he tattooed. Dr. L want wants to know. know. know. >> Not visibly that I can see. >> Not visibly that I can see. >> Not visibly that I can see. >> Not visibly that I can see, but I can't >> Not visibly that I can see, but I can't >> Not visibly that I can see, but I can't see his full arms in these. He's since see his full arms in these. He's since see his full arms in these. He's since he switched to political stuff, he's he switched to political stuff, he's he switched to political stuff, he's wearing like long sleeves. But he made wearing like long sleeves. But he made wearing like long sleeves. But he made this transition into the political space this transition into the political space this transition into the political space because he wanted to provide a better because he wanted to provide a better because he wanted to provide a better future for all of his children out future for all of his children out future for all of his children out there. And he's worried that the that there. And he's worried that the that there. And he's worried that the that you know New York is is is running is you know New York is is is running is you know New York is is is running is running to hell or whatever. So he's running to hell or whatever. So he's running to hell or whatever. So he's going to going to going to >> Good daddy. >> Good daddy. >> Good daddy. >> He's going to singlehandedly uh he's >> He's going to singlehandedly uh he's >> He's going to singlehandedly uh he's going to single-handedly change this, going to single-handedly change this, going to single-handedly change this, which you know, maybe if he keeps going which you know, maybe if he keeps going which you know, maybe if he keeps going at this rate, he might be able to just at this rate, he might be able to just at this rate, he might be able to just get enough votes uh from, you know, his get enough votes uh from, you know, his get enough votes uh from, you know, his his his his >> from his children, >> from his children, >> from his children, >> his children out there. Um, >> his children out there. Um, >> his children out there. Um, >> do you know how much his sperm was going >> do you know how much his sperm was going >> do you know how much his sperm was going for?

for? for? >> Unclear, but he did say that um >> Unclear, but he did say that um >> Unclear, but he did say that um >> on 4chan or 8chan. Where was this >> on 4chan or 8chan. Where was this >> on 4chan or 8chan. Where was this happening? happening? happening? >> He did say that 25 to 35% of the >> He did say that 25 to 35% of the >> He did say that 25 to 35% of the donations were done like live because he donations were done like live because he donations were done like live because he said that fresh is better than Frozen, said that fresh is better than Frozen, said that fresh is better than Frozen, which is disturbing. which is disturbing. which is disturbing. >> So porn >> So porn >> So porn >> like in person. >> like in person. >> like in person. >> Uhhuh. like a conjugal v visit if we're >> Uhhuh. like a conjugal v visit if we're >> Uhhuh. like a conjugal v visit if we're keeping to this behind the behind the keeping to this behind the behind the keeping to this behind the behind the thing. I don't know. I mean cuz if thing. I don't know. I mean cuz if thing. I don't know. I mean cuz if you're you're you're >> involved in the sexual act then is that >> involved in the sexual act then is that >> involved in the sexual act then is that really a donation? really a donation? really a donation? >> Yeah. Are you like are you selling like >> Yeah. Are you like are you selling like >> Yeah. Are you like are you selling like does that cross the line into some sort does that cross the line into some sort does that cross the line into some sort of sexual thing? I don't know. But of sexual thing? I don't know. But of sexual thing? I don't know. But that's not what he's charged with. Okay. that's not what he's charged with. Okay. that's not what he's charged with. Okay. >> That's where we would like to know. >> That's where we would like to know. >> That's where we would like to know. >> I know that's the more interesting part >> I know that's the more interesting part >> I know that's the more interesting part of this. The whole AI thing, whatever. of this. The whole AI thing, whatever. of this. The whole AI thing, whatever. >> Well, the Okay, so the whole AI thing is >> Well, the Okay, so the whole AI thing is >> Well, the Okay, so the whole AI thing is kind of interesting to me. uh just kind of interesting to me. uh just kind of interesting to me. uh just because it so this is all tied to his uh because it so this is all tied to his uh because it so this is all tied to his uh campaign run in 2025, but he apparently campaign run in 2025, but he apparently campaign run in 2025, but he apparently appears to keep doing this same these appears to keep doing this same these appears to keep doing this same these same sort of antics uh as he's now same sort of antics uh as he's now same sort of antics uh as he's now running for New York State Assembly.

running for New York State Assembly. running for New York State Assembly. Now, in in the run where these charges Now, in in the run where these charges Now, in in the run where these charges are from, he ran as a Democrat this are from, he ran as a Democrat this are from, he ran as a Democrat this time. I guess he ran out of political time. I guess he ran out of political time. I guess he ran out of political parties or I'm not sure. He's like parties or I'm not sure. He's like parties or I'm not sure. He's like constantly changing these different constantly changing these different constantly changing these different affiliations. But in that primary, uh, affiliations. But in that primary, uh, affiliations. But in that primary, uh, he earned just 96 votes against Andrew he earned just 96 votes against Andrew he earned just 96 votes against Andrew Hvesi's 6,749. Hvesi's 6,749. Hvesi's 6,749. So, he's not really even remotely close, So, he's not really even remotely close, So, he's not really even remotely close, uh, to the running in these. But uh, to the running in these. But uh, to the running in these. But prosecutors are saying that he routinely prosecutors are saying that he routinely prosecutors are saying that he routinely and deliberate deliberately created and and deliberate deliberately created and and deliberate deliberately created and posted AI generated images uh, that posted AI generated images uh, that posted AI generated images uh, that falsely depicted endorsements from falsely depicted endorsements from falsely depicted endorsements from individuals and organizations that had individuals and organizations that had individuals and organizations that had not backed his candidacy and in fact not backed his candidacy and in fact not backed his candidacy and in fact backed the opposition. So these backed the opposition. So these backed the opposition. So these fabrications like they have all these fabrications like they have all these fabrications like they have all these sort of like fake article endorsements, sort of like fake article endorsements, sort of like fake article endorsements, you know, with the branding from CNN, you know, with the branding from CNN, you know, with the branding from CNN, from Daily News, from the Post. Uh and from Daily News, from the Post. Uh and from Daily News, from the Post. Uh and one of these it was even from the AP uh one of these it was even from the AP uh one of these it was even from the AP uh with an article announcing his with an article announcing his with an article announcing his endorsement from former Governor Andrew endorsement from former Governor Andrew endorsement from former Governor Andrew Cuomo. Like it's stuff that's like it's Cuomo. Like it's stuff that's like it's Cuomo. Like it's stuff that's like it's really out there, really out there, really out there, >> timeconuming. It is time consuming. >> timeconuming. It is time consuming. >> timeconuming. It is time consuming. >> I don't think so. I think you type in AI >> I don't think so. I think you type in AI >> I don't think so. I think you type in AI and make a headline. I don't think I and make a headline. I don't think I and make a headline. I don't think I don't know that the prompting is that uh don't know that the prompting is that uh don't know that the prompting is that uh that particularly that particularly that particularly >> AI would do it.

>> AI would do it. >> AI would do it. >> But it it wasn't just like these news uh >> But it it wasn't just like these news uh >> But it it wasn't just like these news uh these news articles. He he was allegedly these news articles. He he was allegedly these news articles. He he was allegedly making fake endorsements from other making fake endorsements from other making fake endorsements from other organizations including like the Queen's organizations including like the Queen's organizations including like the Queen's Jewish Jewish Association, local Jewish Jewish Association, local Jewish Jewish Association, local elementary schools and police districts. elementary schools and police districts. elementary schools and police districts. >> My elementary school better not have >> My elementary school better not have >> My elementary school better not have fake endorsed him fake endorsed him fake endorsed him >> or there will be hell to pay. >> or there will be hell to pay. >> or there will be hell to pay. >> I hope not. I hope not. Uh, >> I hope not. I hope not. Uh, >> I hope not. I hope not. Uh, >> so is there Can you donate to his >> so is there Can you donate to his >> so is there Can you donate to his campaign? I mean, I am looking for campaign? I mean, I am looking for campaign? I mean, I am looking for change right now in this. change right now in this. change right now in this. >> Are you would you mean to change? >> Are you would you mean to change? >> Are you would you mean to change? >> I I like a little quirky people with >> I I like a little quirky people with >> I I like a little quirky people with with some backbone. with some backbone. with some backbone. >> Well, he's unpredictable. >> Well, he's unpredictable. >> Well, he's unpredictable. >> He's unpredictable. And he does, like I >> He's unpredictable. And he does, like I >> He's unpredictable. And he does, like I said, he's been very unsuccessful, but said, he's been very unsuccessful, but said, he's been very unsuccessful, but seemingly undeterred by that. And I I I seemingly undeterred by that. And I I I seemingly undeterred by that. And I I I mean, you know, his response to sort of mean, you know, his response to sort of mean, you know, his response to sort of these these charges so far, you know, he these these charges so far, you know, he these these charges so far, you know, he said, "I posted stuff on social media, said, "I posted stuff on social media, said, "I posted stuff on social media, so they arrested me." You know, he's so they arrested me." You know, he's so they arrested me." You know, he's kind of coming down on like a first kind of coming down on like a first kind of coming down on like a first amendment sort of uh sort of argument, amendment sort of uh sort of argument, amendment sort of uh sort of argument, but he has been arraigned on on three but he has been arraigned on on three but he has been arraigned on on three counts of thirdderee forgery and 15 counts of thirdderee forgery and 15 counts of thirdderee forgery and 15 counts of criminal possession of a counts of criminal possession of a counts of criminal possession of a forged instrument in the third degree. I forged instrument in the third degree. I forged instrument in the third degree. I don't know what kind of exposure that is don't know what kind of exposure that is don't know what kind of exposure that is there.

there. there. I think that's just like the the I'm I think that's just like the the I'm I think that's just like the the I'm guessing that's just the forged document guessing that's just the forged document guessing that's just the forged document or whatever. How that is different than or whatever. How that is different than or whatever. How that is different than the actual forgery. I don't really know. the actual forgery. I don't really know. the actual forgery. I don't really know. I'm not I'm not a lawyer. I can't I'm not I'm not a lawyer. I can't I'm not I'm not a lawyer. I can't comment on that. But uh you know comment on that. But uh you know comment on that. But uh you know >> this a question about mental health. >> this a question about mental health. >> this a question about mental health. >> You're wondering like where is this >> You're wondering like where is this >> You're wondering like where is this going? going? going? >> Definitely there has to be a mental >> Definitely there has to be a mental >> Definitely there has to be a mental health aspect to this. But I I think health aspect to this. But I I think health aspect to this. But I I think it's interesting because obviously there it's interesting because obviously there it's interesting because obviously there is a first first amendment argument to is a first first amendment argument to is a first first amendment argument to make here. But I don't think that make here. But I don't think that make here. But I don't think that applies when you're like fabricating applies when you're like fabricating applies when you're like fabricating stuff from an actual outlet. Like I stuff from an actual outlet. Like I stuff from an actual outlet. Like I think that's kind of where where it think that's kind of where where it think that's kind of where where it crosses first first amendment into crosses first first amendment into crosses first first amendment into something else where you're something else where you're something else where you're >> here's the thing. Is this really going >> here's the thing. Is this really going >> here's the thing. Is this really going to stop this guy? to stop this guy? to stop this guy? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Yeah. No. I mean that's an interesting >> Yeah. No. I mean that's an interesting >> Yeah. No. I mean that's an interesting point point point >> from prison. >> from prison. >> from prison. >> He'll do whatever he wants. He'll, you >> He'll do whatever he wants. He'll, you >> He'll do whatever he wants. He'll, you know, know, know, >> and like I don't think you're doing >> and like I don't think you're doing >> and like I don't think you're doing prison time for this. prison time for this. prison time for this. >> I He's a nuisance. He's a nuisance. >> I He's a nuisance. He's a nuisance. >> I He's a nuisance. He's a nuisance. >> Yeah. And I think that's more of the the >> Yeah. And I think that's more of the the >> Yeah. And I think that's more of the the issue here. Uh issue here. Uh issue here. Uh >> I have a question for Dr. L. When you >> I have a question for Dr. L. When you >> I have a question for Dr. L. When you have a personal personality like this.

have a personal personality like this. have a personal personality like this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where >> Where >> Where >> of Will or that guy? >> of Will or that guy? >> of Will or that guy? >> Well, Will will get please. We need a >> Well, Will will get please. We need a >> Well, Will will get please. We need a whole other episode for Will. But whole other episode for Will. But whole other episode for Will. But >> the other guy, sperm guy, like someone >> the other guy, sperm guy, like someone >> the other guy, sperm guy, like someone who constantly inserts themselves and who constantly inserts themselves and who constantly inserts themselves and you know that they know that they're you know that they know that they're you know that they know that they're annoying and they're a nuisance because annoying and they're a nuisance because annoying and they're a nuisance because they never like what is what kind of they never like what is what kind of they never like what is what kind of person is that? person is that? person is that? I mean, I mean, I mean, >> I know cuckoo, but >> I know cuckoo, but >> I know cuckoo, but >> cuckoo, but he's he's not so cuckoo that >> cuckoo, but he's he's not so cuckoo that >> cuckoo, but he's he's not so cuckoo that he's not he's linear, right? He's doing he's not he's linear, right? He's doing he's not he's linear, right? He's doing it. Yeah. it. Yeah. it. Yeah. >> But I think it's a, you know, it's more >> But I think it's a, you know, it's more >> But I think it's a, you know, it's more of a schizoid personality where you're a of a schizoid personality where you're a of a schizoid personality where you're a little detached from reality, but you're little detached from reality, but you're little detached from reality, but you're there just enough to wreak havoc and there just enough to wreak havoc and there just enough to wreak havoc and then, you know, you lack empathy. But I then, you know, you lack empathy. But I then, you know, you lack empathy. But I think you probably, you know, 50 60 think you probably, you know, 50 60 think you probably, you know, 50 60 diagnoses out of the book. diagnoses out of the book. diagnoses out of the book. >> Oh my gosh. And here he's just and I >> Oh my gosh. And here he's just and I >> Oh my gosh. And here he's just and I would just say he's just an annoying would just say he's just an annoying would just say he's just an annoying human being. human being. human being. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You have to think about his his daily >> You have to think about his his daily >> You have to think about his his daily life, his money, his longevity, his life, his money, his longevity, his life, his money, his longevity, his future planning. future planning. future planning. >> Listen, he seems to be functioning, >> Listen, he seems to be functioning, >> Listen, he seems to be functioning, procreating. I mean, he's getting some I procreating. I mean, he's getting some I procreating. I mean, he's getting some I don't know what the and he's running for don't know what the and he's running for don't know what the and he's running for office. He's just office. He's just office. He's just >> Maybe he's just very eccentric.

>> Maybe he's just very eccentric. >> Maybe he's just very eccentric. I don't know. I I would be very curious I don't know. I I would be very curious I don't know. I I would be very curious if these traits carry down to his if these traits carry down to his if these traits carry down to his children. children. children. >> Which ones? Oh my god. >> Which ones? Oh my god. >> Which ones? Oh my god. So, I do think like the nuisance part of So, I do think like the nuisance part of So, I do think like the nuisance part of it is is why he's actually being charged it is is why he's actually being charged it is is why he's actually being charged here. Uh the Queen district attorney, here. Uh the Queen district attorney, here. Uh the Queen district attorney, Melinda Katz, uh said in today's world, Melinda Katz, uh said in today's world, Melinda Katz, uh said in today's world, it's important to hold people it's important to hold people it's important to hold people accountable for materially accountable for materially accountable for materially misrepresenting facts, which I do think misrepresenting facts, which I do think misrepresenting facts, which I do think is interesting. And like I said, there's is interesting. And like I said, there's is interesting. And like I said, there's kind of like an ongoing thing of antics kind of like an ongoing thing of antics kind of like an ongoing thing of antics here. I didn't even get into like he'll here. I didn't even get into like he'll here. I didn't even get into like he'll show up at uh another like like show up at uh another like like show up at uh another like like political person's rally and like try to political person's rally and like try to political person's rally and like try to get on the stage and debate them in get on the stage and debate them in get on the stage and debate them in person. He's been pepper sprayed. Like person. He's been pepper sprayed. Like person. He's been pepper sprayed. Like there's a lot of stuff going on here there's a lot of stuff going on here there's a lot of stuff going on here that's like very much like is it a that's like very much like is it a that's like very much like is it a crime? I mean I I guess maybe not, but crime? I mean I I guess maybe not, but crime? I mean I I guess maybe not, but it is like it definitely is an intense it is like it definitely is an intense it is like it definitely is an intense public nuisance it seems. Um but on on public nuisance it seems. Um but on on public nuisance it seems. Um but on on another sort of interesting note, this another sort of interesting note, this another sort of interesting note, this is the first criminal prosecution of a is the first criminal prosecution of a is the first criminal prosecution of a politician for an AI related offense, politician for an AI related offense, politician for an AI related offense, which um which um which um >> Oh, I'm sure he's very excited about >> Oh, I'm sure he's very excited about >> Oh, I'm sure he's very excited about that. That will only encourage him. that. That will only encourage him. that. That will only encourage him. >> He is breaking new sort of legal ground >> He is breaking new sort of legal ground >> He is breaking new sort of legal ground there. So, uh, yeah. Uh, but people had there. So, uh, yeah. Uh, but people had there. So, uh, yeah. Uh, but people had a lot of comments on this one. Uh, Alan a lot of comments on this one. Uh, Alan a lot of comments on this one. Uh, Alan W, just with a a bit of a legal comment W, just with a a bit of a legal comment W, just with a a bit of a legal comment to start us off here. They said somebody to start us off here. They said somebody to start us off here. They said somebody never taught him the First Amendment is never taught him the First Amendment is never taught him the First Amendment is not absolute. Which, yeah, I think we've not absolute. Which, yeah, I think we've not absolute. Which, yeah, I think we've learned that, uh, you don't have free learned that, uh, you don't have free learned that, uh, you don't have free reign all the time. Julie U, uh, like reign all the time. Julie U, uh, like reign all the time. Julie U, uh, like Anna is is a New Yorker. They said, Anna is is a New Yorker. They said, Anna is is a New Yorker. They said, "Never heard of this bozo." Which also "Never heard of this bozo." Which also "Never heard of this bozo." Which also >> bo that person is absolutely from New >> bo that person is absolutely from New >> bo that person is absolutely from New York.

York. York. >> Bozo, >> Bozo, >> Bozo, >> is that a official diagnosis, Leslie? >> is that a official diagnosis, Leslie? >> is that a official diagnosis, Leslie? Can someone be a clinical bozo? Can someone be a clinical bozo? Can someone be a clinical bozo? >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I don't I no I've never studied that. I >> I don't I no I've never studied that. I >> I don't I no I've never studied that. I don't know about the scientific research don't know about the scientific research don't know about the scientific research behind it. behind it. behind it. >> Bozo, >> Bozo, >> Bozo, >> but I do know the clown and what comes >> but I do know the clown and what comes >> but I do know the clown and what comes to mind. to mind. to mind. >> But I mean that's kind of like what >> But I mean that's kind of like what >> But I mean that's kind of like what these news outlets said too when they these news outlets said too when they these news outlets said too when they were asked about this cuz obviously were asked about this cuz obviously were asked about this cuz obviously people saw this stuff on on social media people saw this stuff on on social media people saw this stuff on on social media and whatnot and they're like is this and whatnot and they're like is this and whatnot and they're like is this real? And they were like no we've never real? And they were like no we've never real? And they were like no we've never heard of this human being. Like we have heard of this human being. Like we have heard of this human being. Like we have no idea who this guy is. Um, John A no idea who this guy is. Um, John A no idea who this guy is. Um, John A said, "Still better than some political said, "Still better than some political said, "Still better than some political options, and that's sad." Which, um, options, and that's sad." Which, um, options, and that's sad." Which, um, fair. I guess it depends on fair. I guess it depends on fair. I guess it depends on >> Well, more than 900 people thought so. >> Well, more than 900 people thought so. >> Well, more than 900 people thought so. >> I know. And then we we could have voter >> I know. And then we we could have voter >> I know. And then we we could have voter fraud, right? He did take votes from fraud, right? He did take votes from fraud, right? He did take votes from other people with a fake campaign. other people with a fake campaign. other people with a fake campaign. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> So, there is there are some legalities, >> So, there is there are some legalities, >> So, there is there are some legalities, like serious things. like serious things. like serious things. >> No, that is interesting. >> No, that is interesting. >> No, that is interesting. >> Oh, the poor prosecutor on this case. >> Oh, the poor prosecutor on this case. >> Oh, the poor prosecutor on this case. >> I would not want anything to actually >> I would not want anything to actually >> I would not want anything to actually No, now I want to meet him. No, now I want to meet him. No, now I want to meet him. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine this guy >> Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine this guy >> Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine this guy like in the courtroom. I wonder too if like in the courtroom. I wonder too if like in the courtroom. I wonder too if he'd like represented himself or he'd like represented himself or he'd like represented himself or something like I bet.

something like I bet. something like I bet. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> He's gonna take his case. >> He's gonna take his case. >> He's gonna take his case. >> Reach out to me. I'll I'll do the >> Reach out to me. I'll I'll do the >> Reach out to me. I'll I'll do the evaluation. evaluation. evaluation. >> Okay. Okay. Uh Kotti G said, "Well, at >> Okay. Okay. Uh Kotti G said, "Well, at >> Okay. Okay. Uh Kotti G said, "Well, at least some intelligence was used in a least some intelligence was used in a least some intelligence was used in a campaign." campaign." campaign." >> Ah, good one. I like that. >> Ah, good one. I like that. >> Ah, good one. I like that. >> They got it. They got it. Uh I'm going >> They got it. They got it. Uh I'm going >> They got it. They got it. Uh I'm going to end this one on a comment from Pam B. to end this one on a comment from Pam B. to end this one on a comment from Pam B. This one got me. They said, "Possible This one got me. They said, "Possible This one got me. They said, "Possible campaign slogan, change that sticks. And uh that is going to do it for this And uh that is going to do it for this portion of our comment section. Anna, I portion of our comment section. Anna, I portion of our comment section. Anna, I know that you uh even in the studio uh know that you uh even in the studio uh know that you uh even in the studio uh took the time to to take some comments took the time to to take some comments took the time to to take some comments from our wonderful listeners and from our wonderful listeners and from our wonderful listeners and viewers. Would you like to share them viewers. Would you like to share them viewers. Would you like to share them with us? with us? with us? >> I would cuz you know I love to read your >> I would cuz you know I love to read your >> I would cuz you know I love to read your comments on YouTube. So this is about uh comments on YouTube. So this is about uh comments on YouTube. So this is about uh the podcast, our last podcast that the podcast, our last podcast that the podcast, our last podcast that dropped and this was a crazy case. This dropped and this was a crazy case. This dropped and this was a crazy case. This is a deputy fire chief who was charged is a deputy fire chief who was charged is a deputy fire chief who was charged with with with masterminding the sexual assault of a masterminding the sexual assault of a masterminding the sexual assault of a neighbor of his and friend. And he neighbor of his and friend. And he neighbor of his and friend. And he allegedly had hired allegedly had hired allegedly had hired this random person that he found on a this random person that he found on a this random person that he found on a dating website to do a role play in dating website to do a role play in dating website to do a role play in which that person sexually assaults the which that person sexually assaults the which that person sexually assaults the woman. And that person thought that she woman. And that person thought that she woman. And that person thought that she was in on it.

was in on it. was in on it. >> And all of this was done to break her >> And all of this was done to break her >> And all of this was done to break her faith. faith. faith. >> And then after the attack, she survives >> And then after the attack, she survives >> And then after the attack, she survives the attack. She runs away. Who does she the attack. She runs away. Who does she the attack. She runs away. Who does she turn to? Her neighbor, the firefighter. turn to? Her neighbor, the firefighter. turn to? Her neighbor, the firefighter. The man who police say masterminded the The man who police say masterminded the The man who police say masterminded the whole devious, disgusting, evil, whole devious, disgusting, evil, whole devious, disgusting, evil, horrific horrific horrific >> sexual psychopath. >> sexual psychopath. >> sexual psychopath. >> Sexual psychopath. So, Crime Breakdown >> Sexual psychopath. So, Crime Breakdown >> Sexual psychopath. So, Crime Breakdown doc posts, "Imagine surviving an attack doc posts, "Imagine surviving an attack doc posts, "Imagine surviving an attack designed to break your spirit and still designed to break your spirit and still designed to break your spirit and still holding on to who you are. That's an holding on to who you are. That's an holding on to who you are. That's an incredible level of strength." incredible level of strength." incredible level of strength." Absolutely. Then, um, Candycoated Weirdo Absolutely. Then, um, Candycoated Weirdo Absolutely. Then, um, Candycoated Weirdo posts, "This case is fullon demonic." posts, "This case is fullon demonic." posts, "This case is fullon demonic." Absolutely. And then Tanya Beasley 676 Absolutely. And then Tanya Beasley 676 Absolutely. And then Tanya Beasley 676 posted, "Evil." What else can you say? posted, "Evil." What else can you say? posted, "Evil." What else can you say? cure evil. Yeah. I mean, I do, we talk cure evil. Yeah. I mean, I do, we talk cure evil. Yeah. I mean, I do, we talk about this a lot, especially with about this a lot, especially with about this a lot, especially with experts, cuz I know criminal, you can't experts, cuz I know criminal, you can't experts, cuz I know criminal, you can't just say, "Oh, evil. That's not a just say, "Oh, evil. That's not a just say, "Oh, evil. That's not a charge." charge." charge." >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I do believe in evil. I really do >> But I do believe in evil. I really do >> But I do believe in evil. I really do believe sometimes, you know, all these believe sometimes, you know, all these believe sometimes, you know, all these other explanations. I don't want to hear other explanations. I don't want to hear other explanations. I don't want to hear him. This person's evil. Rotten. him. This person's evil. Rotten. him. This person's evil. Rotten. >> I That's not the first time I've heard >> I That's not the first time I've heard >> I That's not the first time I've heard of a case like that. That to me of a case like that. That to me of a case like that. That to me definitely is evil. definitely is evil. definitely is evil. >> Evil. Confirmed. Evil. >> Evil. Confirmed. Evil. >> Evil. Confirmed. Evil. >> Too many evil. too too too much evil out >> Too many evil. too too too much evil out >> Too many evil. too too too much evil out there. Too many bozos out there. there. Too many bozos out there. there. Too many bozos out there. >> Oh, the bozos, please. >> Oh, the bozos, please. >> Oh, the bozos, please. >> So, make sure and uh make sure and watch >> So, make sure and uh make sure and watch >> So, make sure and uh make sure and watch out. Make sure and keep yourself safe. out. Make sure and keep yourself safe. out. Make sure and keep yourself safe. That'll do it for this week's comment That'll do it for this week's comment That'll do it for this week's comment section. Uh as always, until next week, section. Uh as always, until next week, section. Uh as always, until next week, don't do crime. don't do crime. don't do crime. >> You didn't do this. There you go. >> You didn't do this. There you go. >> You didn't do this. There you go. >> We're all out of sorts today. >> We're all out of sorts today. >> We're all out of sorts today. >> I got you. >> I got you. >> I got you. >> We are all out of sorts today. It is a >> We are all out of sorts today. It is a >> We are all out of sorts today. It is a nice studio. I can't wait to hear your nice studio. I can't wait to hear your nice studio. I can't wait to hear your comments. At least now I won't have to comments. At least now I won't have to comments. At least now I won't have to hear all the comments about what's in hear all the comments about what's in hear all the comments about what's in the background of my house. You can go the background of my house. You can go the background of my house. You can go ahead and tear down the background of ahead and tear down the background of ahead and tear down the background of the studio as you choose the studio as you choose the studio as you choose >> because it can be moved. >> because it can be moved. >> because it can be moved. >> It can be moved. If you don't like >> It can be moved. If you don't like >> It can be moved. If you don't like something, tell us and we'll move the something, tell us and we'll move the something, tell us and we'll move the little globy things or whatever, the little globy things or whatever, the little globy things or whatever, the prisms. Um, Dr. Lesie, this has been prisms. Um, Dr. Lesie, this has been prisms. Um, Dr. Lesie, this has been such a pleasure and so nice to have such a pleasure and so nice to have such a pleasure and so nice to have human contact.

human contact. human contact. >> Yes. I I love not doing it remote >> Yes. I I love not doing it remote >> Yes. I I love not doing it remote anymore. Like, let's let's get out anymore. Like, let's let's get out anymore. Like, let's let's get out there. there. there. >> I agree. It's really really nice. Where >> I agree. It's really really nice. Where >> I agree. It's really really nice. Where can people find you, follow you? I know can people find you, follow you? I know can people find you, follow you? I know you've got your YouTube show, but just you've got your YouTube show, but just you've got your YouTube show, but just everywhere people can find you. everywhere people can find you. everywhere people can find you. >> Uh, it's Dr. Leslie Dobson. Really >> Uh, it's Dr. Leslie Dobson. Really >> Uh, it's Dr. Leslie Dobson. Really everywhere. Instagram, um, Tik Tok, but everywhere. Instagram, um, Tik Tok, but everywhere. Instagram, um, Tik Tok, but YouTube is really growing. Um, I just YouTube is really growing. Um, I just YouTube is really growing. Um, I just finished a book. I'll be publishing it finished a book. I'll be publishing it finished a book. I'll be publishing it soon. I'm starting to kind of, uh, drop soon. I'm starting to kind of, uh, drop soon. I'm starting to kind of, uh, drop some information on it. Uh, so that'll some information on it. Uh, so that'll some information on it. Uh, so that'll be really exciting. And then I have some be really exciting. And then I have some be really exciting. And then I have some TV shows coming out where I'm the expert TV shows coming out where I'm the expert TV shows coming out where I'm the expert um really looking into the psychology of um really looking into the psychology of um really looking into the psychology of these monsters. So, we'll You won't have these monsters. So, we'll You won't have these monsters. So, we'll You won't have to look for me. I think I'll just be to look for me. I think I'll just be to look for me. I think I'll just be shoved in your face quite a bit. That's shoved in your face quite a bit. That's shoved in your face quite a bit. That's so funny. That's great. I think that's so funny. That's great. I think that's so funny. That's great. I think that's wonderful. And you, you know, you are wonderful. And you, you know, you are wonderful. And you, you know, you are very bold and you are very plain speak very bold and you are very plain speak very bold and you are very plain speak in your videos and you just really get in your videos and you just really get in your videos and you just really get right to it and not a lot of filter. And right to it and not a lot of filter. And right to it and not a lot of filter. And I do appreciate that cuz sometimes we I do appreciate that cuz sometimes we I do appreciate that cuz sometimes we try and I think I'm guilty of this of try and I think I'm guilty of this of try and I think I'm guilty of this of trying to be as balanced as possible to trying to be as balanced as possible to trying to be as balanced as possible to a degree, but but um you just you just a degree, but but um you just you just a degree, but but um you just you just put it all out there and I like that.

put it all out there and I like that. put it all out there and I like that. You know, I love it. I love to just be You know, I love it. I love to just be You know, I love it. I love to just be transparent and authentic and there's no transparent and authentic and there's no transparent and authentic and there's no [ __ ] And when DAs don't follow [ __ ] And when DAs don't follow [ __ ] And when DAs don't follow through the way I think they should, or through the way I think they should, or through the way I think they should, or when judges make bad choices and the when judges make bad choices and the when judges make bad choices and the public rallies around viral videos public rallies around viral videos public rallies around viral videos because they didn't know about it. because they didn't know about it. because they didn't know about it. >> Agreed. >> Agreed. >> Agreed. >> Things change. >> Things change. >> Things change. >> I so agree with you. I so agree. I am >> I so agree with you. I so agree. I am >> I so agree with you. I so agree. I am kind of like a dissenting voice in the kind of like a dissenting voice in the kind of like a dissenting voice in the crime world, you know, because I do crime world, you know, because I do crime world, you know, because I do believe in internet sleuths in what I believe in internet sleuths in what I believe in internet sleuths in what I call the angry chorus of people who call the angry chorus of people who call the angry chorus of people who unite because they they don't like unite because they they don't like unite because they they don't like something. They don't think something is something. They don't think something is something. They don't think something is right. I think there's a strength and a right. I think there's a strength and a right. I think there's a strength and a power to that and there can be change. power to that and there can be change. power to that and there can be change. And you know, a lot of police And you know, a lot of police And you know, a lot of police departments just don't want to hear departments just don't want to hear departments just don't want to hear about it. They just want to do their job about it. They just want to do their job about it. They just want to do their job and they think that everybody's and they think that everybody's and they think that everybody's meddling. But I, you know, if it were al meddling. But I, you know, if it were al meddling. But I, you know, if it were al always so easy to, you know, figure out always so easy to, you know, figure out always so easy to, you know, figure out a case, would we still be trying to a case, would we still be trying to a case, would we still be trying to figure out what happened to Nancy figure out what happened to Nancy figure out what happened to Nancy Guthrie? No. You need the public's help. Guthrie? No. You need the public's help. Guthrie? No. You need the public's help. So, I I'm a I'm a I, like you believe in So, I I'm a I'm a I, like you believe in So, I I'm a I'm a I, like you believe in that chorus of people who are outraged.

that chorus of people who are outraged. that chorus of people who are outraged. If you want the real me, it's Instagram If you want the real me, it's Instagram If you want the real me, it's Instagram because then I boost the videos directly because then I boost the videos directly because then I boost the videos directly to the town of the perpetrator. to the town of the perpetrator. to the town of the perpetrator. >> So every neighbor is aware of what is >> So every neighbor is aware of what is >> So every neighbor is aware of what is going on. going on. going on. >> I like that. >> I like that. >> I like that. >> So I don't care if you don't want to see >> So I don't care if you don't want to see >> So I don't care if you don't want to see it on Instagram. I'm going to make you. it on Instagram. I'm going to make you. it on Instagram. I'm going to make you. >> Here I am. Do something about it. >> Here I am. Do something about it. >> Here I am. Do something about it. There's a sexual predator in your There's a sexual predator in your There's a sexual predator in your neighborhood. Now you know. Well, I'm neighborhood. Now you know. Well, I'm neighborhood. Now you know. Well, I'm Anna G News on all social media. Anna Anna G News on all social media. Anna Anna G News on all social media. Anna with one end as we all like to joke. Um with one end as we all like to joke. Um with one end as we all like to joke. Um you can find this podcast wherever you you can find this podcast wherever you you can find this podcast wherever you get your podcast. Subscribe to our get your podcast. Subscribe to our get your podcast. Subscribe to our YouTube channel and also we have a YouTube channel and also we have a YouTube channel and also we have a newsletter as I always like to say so newsletter as I always like to say so newsletter as I always like to say so retro. Uh you can get that at true crime retro. Uh you can get that at true crime retro. Uh you can get that at true crime newsws.com. Thank you very much. This is newsws.com. Thank you very much. This is newsws.com. Thank you very much. This is True Crime News the podcast. Until next True Crime News the podcast. Until next True Crime News the podcast. Until next time, I'm your host Anna Garcia. Crime time, I'm your host Anna Garcia. Crime time, I'm your host Anna Garcia. Crime never stops and neither do we.