She was excited to be a mother. He made sure she wasn’t.

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prosecutor. prosecutor. >> Yes. Thank you so much for having me, >> Yes. Thank you so much for having me, >> Yes. Thank you so much for having me, Ann. I'm delighted to be here today. I Ann. I'm delighted to be here today. I Ann. I'm delighted to be here today. I was an prosecutor in Manhattan in New was an prosecutor in Manhattan in New was an prosecutor in Manhattan in New York City. I did it for eight years York City. I did it for eight years York City. I did it for eight years before getting into my journalism before getting into my journalism before getting into my journalism career, which is what I've spent the career, which is what I've spent the career, which is what I've spent the bulk of my adult years doing, my bulk of my adult years doing, my bulk of my adult years doing, my professional years doing. But I went to professional years doing. But I went to professional years doing. But I went to Court TV from the Manhattan DA's office Court TV from the Manhattan DA's office Court TV from the Manhattan DA's office and there I stayed covering trials and there I stayed covering trials and there I stayed covering trials around the country, high-profile and low around the country, high-profile and low around the country, high-profile and low profile like you. Uh from jury selection profile like you. Uh from jury selection profile like you. Uh from jury selection to verdict for 19 years and then I left to verdict for 19 years and then I left to verdict for 19 years and then I left it was going off the air. It's back now it was going off the air. It's back now it was going off the air. It's back now but under new ownership. And uh I but under new ownership. And uh I but under new ownership. And uh I reinvented myself. So I'm doing podcasts reinvented myself. So I'm doing podcasts reinvented myself. So I'm doing podcasts and I I appear as you said on a lot of and I I appear as you said on a lot of and I I appear as you said on a lot of different networks doing analysis. different networks doing analysis. different networks doing analysis. >> It is such a pleasure to have you. You >> It is such a pleasure to have you. You >> It is such a pleasure to have you. You really are one of those trusted voices really are one of those trusted voices really are one of those trusted voices in crime reporting and analysis. And you in crime reporting and analysis. And you in crime reporting and analysis. And you also have a very distinctive voice. So I also have a very distinctive voice. So I also have a very distinctive voice. So I think even if you're not watching think even if you're not watching think even if you're not watching television or listening to a podcast, television or listening to a podcast, television or listening to a podcast, once your voice pops up, it's like, "Oh, once your voice pops up, it's like, "Oh, once your voice pops up, it's like, "Oh, it's Beth." You know, I have had friends it's Beth." You know, I have had friends it's Beth." You know, I have had friends from law school say, "Well, I haven't from law school say, "Well, I haven't from law school say, "Well, I haven't talked to you in 10 years, but I was in talked to you in 10 years, but I was in talked to you in 10 years, but I was in the other room and I heard your voice the other room and I heard your voice the other room and I heard your voice from the living room and I knew it was from the living room and I knew it was from the living room and I knew it was you." So yes, apparently it's you." So yes, apparently it's you." So yes, apparently it's distinctive. Well, it's wonderful and distinctive. Well, it's wonderful and distinctive. Well, it's wonderful and it's comforting and your expertise is it's comforting and your expertise is it's comforting and your expertise is really welcome today on this case really welcome today on this case really welcome today on this case because I find this case to be because I find this case to be because I find this case to be challenging both morally and legally and challenging both morally and legally and challenging both morally and legally and um I can't wait to hear your take on it.

um I can't wait to hear your take on it. um I can't wait to hear your take on it. >> There are some very interesting issues. >> There are some very interesting issues. >> There are some very interesting issues. Uh this is a case that's built on Uh this is a case that's built on Uh this is a case that's built on circumstantial evidence, but most circumstantial evidence, but most circumstantial evidence, but most murders are prosecuted with murders are prosecuted with murders are prosecuted with circumstantial evidence. When you think circumstantial evidence. When you think circumstantial evidence. When you think about it, direct evidence is about it, direct evidence is about it, direct evidence is a confession, an eyewitness to the a confession, an eyewitness to the a confession, an eyewitness to the actual crime, or you might even get actual crime, or you might even get actual crime, or you might even get lucky and have a video of the crime. So, lucky and have a video of the crime. So, lucky and have a video of the crime. So, that's direct evidence. Everything else that's direct evidence. Everything else that's direct evidence. Everything else is circumstantial, but circumstantial is circumstantial, but circumstantial is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence can be so powerful. Like, what evidence can be so powerful. Like, what evidence can be so powerful. Like, what are the chances that this and this and are the chances that this and this and are the chances that this and this and this and this happened? And we're going this and this happened? And we're going this and this happened? And we're going to hear a lot of circumstantial evidence to hear a lot of circumstantial evidence to hear a lot of circumstantial evidence in this discussion that points to Bla1 in this discussion that points to Bla1 in this discussion that points to Bla1 Taylor Taylor Taylor wanting that at least the baby dead. wanting that at least the baby dead. wanting that at least the baby dead. Maybe not the mother, but wanting that Maybe not the mother, but wanting that Maybe not the mother, but wanting that baby dead. But it doesn't matter if he baby dead. But it doesn't matter if he baby dead. But it doesn't matter if he killed her in the process. Tough. You're killed her in the process. Tough. You're killed her in the process. Tough. You're going down for that, too. Which is what going down for that, too. Which is what going down for that, too. Which is what happened. happened. happened. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it took the jury, as I >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it took the jury, as I >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it took the jury, as I said, just two hours to find a former said, just two hours to find a former said, just two hours to find a former college football star guilty of killing college football star guilty of killing college football star guilty of killing his pregnant girlfriend and their unborn his pregnant girlfriend and their unborn his pregnant girlfriend and their unborn baby with a cocaine laced lemonade in baby with a cocaine laced lemonade in baby with a cocaine laced lemonade in Nashville, Tennessee. The accused here, Nashville, Tennessee. The accused here, Nashville, Tennessee. The accused here, 30-year-old Bla1 Taylor, a former 30-year-old Bla1 Taylor, a former 30-year-old Bla1 Taylor, a former Arkansas State football player, a pro Arkansas State football player, a pro Arkansas State football player, a pro scout for the Tennessee Titans, and he scout for the Tennessee Titans, and he scout for the Tennessee Titans, and he has been convicted of killing has been convicted of killing has been convicted of killing 25-year-old Jade Benning and her unborn 25-year-old Jade Benning and her unborn 25-year-old Jade Benning and her unborn baby girl, Ivy, who was 5 months old in baby girl, Ivy, who was 5 months old in baby girl, Ivy, who was 5 months old in uterero. According to the prosecution, uterero. According to the prosecution, uterero. According to the prosecution, Bla1 didn't want the baby. Um, and Jada Bla1 didn't want the baby. Um, and Jada Bla1 didn't want the baby. Um, and Jada told him, "I'm having the baby no matter

told him, "I'm having the baby no matter told him, "I'm having the baby no matter what, and I will be a single mother and what, and I will be a single mother and what, and I will be a single mother and I will raise this child without you." I will raise this child without you." I will raise this child without you." And I know we're going to get into the And I know we're going to get into the And I know we're going to get into the the details of all of this, but I am the details of all of this, but I am the details of all of this, but I am really fascinated by this concept of really fascinated by this concept of really fascinated by this concept of that the jury could clearly see he that the jury could clearly see he that the jury could clearly see he didn't want that baby. This is, you didn't want that baby. This is, you didn't want that baby. This is, you know, their decision. But when it came know, their decision. But when it came know, their decision. But when it came to the mother, it's almost, and I don't to the mother, it's almost, and I don't to the mother, it's almost, and I don't mean to be crass here, but almost as if mean to be crass here, but almost as if mean to be crass here, but almost as if this was the collateral damage, this was the collateral damage, this was the collateral damage, secondary, secondary, secondary, if you will, um, death if you will, um, death if you will, um, death because she was not the intended target. because she was not the intended target. because she was not the intended target. I find that fascinating. I find that fascinating. I find that fascinating. >> Yes. And what helps the prosecution >> Yes. And what helps the prosecution >> Yes. And what helps the prosecution establish that point is that he had he establish that point is that he had he establish that point is that he had he had done this in the past. he had tried had done this in the past. he had tried had done this in the past. he had tried to get another former girlfriend to get to get another former girlfriend to get to get another former girlfriend to get uh meipristone or you know the abortion uh meipristone or you know the abortion uh meipristone or you know the abortion drug for yet another woman he had drug for yet another woman he had drug for yet another woman he had impregnated. So he has a history of not impregnated. So he has a history of not impregnated. So he has a history of not wanting babies of you know that are wanting babies of you know that are wanting babies of you know that are being carried by women he's impregnated.

being carried by women he's impregnated. being carried by women he's impregnated. That helps show that he didn't want the That helps show that he didn't want the That helps show that he didn't want the baby. But it is I mean it seems clear baby. But it is I mean it seems clear baby. But it is I mean it seems clear that the baby was a target. There are that the baby was a target. There are that the baby was a target. There are text exchanges between Jade, the mother, text exchanges between Jade, the mother, text exchanges between Jade, the mother, and uh he wasn't she wasn't really a and uh he wasn't she wasn't really a and uh he wasn't she wasn't really a girlfriend by the time like when she got girlfriend by the time like when she got girlfriend by the time like when she got pregnant. They weren't even like pregnant. They weren't even like pregnant. They weren't even like together, but he was pushing her to have together, but he was pushing her to have together, but he was pushing her to have an abortion. And he came back into the an abortion. And he came back into the an abortion. And he came back into the picture and and she she made she said, picture and and she she made she said, picture and and she she made she said, "I made the decision, I'm I'm going to "I made the decision, I'm I'm going to "I made the decision, I'm I'm going to make this work on my own. I'm really make this work on my own. I'm really make this work on my own. I'm really excited." He never went with her to an excited." He never went with her to an excited." He never went with her to an OB/GYN appointment. I mean, he just was OB/GYN appointment. I mean, he just was OB/GYN appointment. I mean, he just was he did not want this baby. He was 27 he did not want this baby. He was 27 he did not want this baby. He was 27 when this happened, 30 by the time of when this happened, 30 by the time of when this happened, 30 by the time of trial. Um, but he's not a kid, right? trial. Um, but he's not a kid, right? trial. Um, but he's not a kid, right? This is a guy who's very smart. He got This is a guy who's very smart. He got This is a guy who's very smart. He got two degrees like his undergraduate two degrees like his undergraduate two degrees like his undergraduate masters like inside of four years in masters like inside of four years in masters like inside of four years in college while he was a football star. college while he was a football star. college while he was a football star. Very smart guy. Um, and uh, and just did Very smart guy. Um, and uh, and just did Very smart guy. Um, and uh, and just did a very stupid thing. I just want to say, a very stupid thing. I just want to say, a very stupid thing. I just want to say, I don't have the statistics in front of I don't have the statistics in front of I don't have the statistics in front of me, but pregnancy is a very high risk me, but pregnancy is a very high risk me, but pregnancy is a very high risk for a woman um, in any any sort of for a woman um, in any any sort of for a woman um, in any any sort of domestic violence controlling situation.

domestic violence controlling situation. domestic violence controlling situation. Now, we're not saying that that's what Now, we're not saying that that's what Now, we're not saying that that's what was happening with Bla1 Taylor, but he was happening with Bla1 Taylor, but he was happening with Bla1 Taylor, but he didn't want this baby, and that c that didn't want this baby, and that c that didn't want this baby, and that c that was a risk to her life. The fact that he was a risk to her life. The fact that he was a risk to her life. The fact that he did not want this baby. Um, but I I see did not want this baby. Um, but I I see did not want this baby. Um, but I I see this over and over again in stories I do this over and over again in stories I do this over and over again in stories I do and read about, research, women are at and read about, research, women are at and read about, research, women are at risk if they're with someone and they risk if they're with someone and they risk if they're with someone and they want to get a divorce or they're want to get a divorce or they're want to get a divorce or they're pregnant. And just before we go further, pregnant. And just before we go further, pregnant. And just before we go further, I want to because the s the uh verdict I want to because the s the uh verdict I want to because the s the uh verdict was um first degree for the baby, second was um first degree for the baby, second was um first degree for the baby, second degree from mom, almost like she was degree from mom, almost like she was degree from mom, almost like she was collateral. I didn't really want to kill collateral. I didn't really want to kill collateral. I didn't really want to kill her, just that baby. her, just that baby. her, just that baby. >> It was the opposite result when Scott >> It was the opposite result when Scott >> It was the opposite result when Scott Peterson killed his pregnant wife. The Peterson killed his pregnant wife. The Peterson killed his pregnant wife. The jury found first degree for Lacy and jury found first degree for Lacy and jury found first degree for Lacy and second degree for her unborn child, who second degree for her unborn child, who second degree for her unborn child, who was a little more advanced in uterero. was a little more advanced in uterero. was a little more advanced in uterero. That baby Connor was about seven and a That baby Connor was about seven and a That baby Connor was about seven and a half months, almost eight. Um, and it's half months, almost eight. Um, and it's half months, almost eight. Um, and it's almost like the jury thought Connor was almost like the jury thought Connor was almost like the jury thought Connor was collateral damage. He But Scott didn't collateral damage. He But Scott didn't collateral damage. He But Scott didn't want to be a father either, although he want to be a father either, although he want to be a father either, although he probably more wanted get wanted to get probably more wanted get wanted to get probably more wanted get wanted to get out of the marriage. In any event, out of the marriage. In any event, out of the marriage. In any event, high-risisk factor for for this woman high-risisk factor for for this woman high-risisk factor for for this woman that she was pregnant and then she's that she was pregnant and then she's that she was pregnant and then she's given a given a given a cocaine dissolved in alcohol poured into cocaine dissolved in alcohol poured into cocaine dissolved in alcohol poured into her lemonade, her lemonade, her lemonade, >> right? chef. She was taking care of her >> right? chef. She was taking care of her >> right? chef. She was taking care of her health, her body, her food, every thing health, her body, her food, every thing health, her body, her food, every thing she put in her mouth. This was not a she put in her mouth. This was not a she put in her mouth. This was not a woman who voluntarily ingested this or I woman who voluntarily ingested this or I woman who voluntarily ingested this or I should say knowingly ingested this, even should say knowingly ingested this, even should say knowingly ingested this, even though the defense would want you to though the defense would want you to though the defense would want you to believe that she was using it or could

believe that she was using it or could believe that she was using it or could have been using it recreationally. Not have been using it recreationally. Not have been using it recreationally. Not that amount. that amount. that amount. >> Not that amount. In fact, the medical >> Not that amount. In fact, the medical >> Not that amount. In fact, the medical examiner said of all the cases that the examiner said of all the cases that the examiner said of all the cases that the office has looked at in autopsies that office has looked at in autopsies that office has looked at in autopsies that include cocaine, he's never seen a level include cocaine, he's never seen a level include cocaine, he's never seen a level so high in cocaine in the history of so high in cocaine in the history of so high in cocaine in the history of what they've been doing. And that's what they've been doing. And that's what they've been doing. And that's that's a lot of cocaine that was that's a lot of cocaine that was that's a lot of cocaine that was ingested. And that's pretty shocking ingested. And that's pretty shocking ingested. And that's pretty shocking because it wasn't because it wasn't because it wasn't >> it wasn't to get a high. I don't know >> it wasn't to get a high. I don't know >> it wasn't to get a high. I don't know how our bodies metabolize um cocaine how our bodies metabolize um cocaine how our bodies metabolize um cocaine when when you orally ingest it, but who when when you orally ingest it, but who when when you orally ingest it, but who takes cocaine orally, right? I mean, you takes cocaine orally, right? I mean, you takes cocaine orally, right? I mean, you you smoke it in crack form or you snort you smoke it in crack form or you snort you smoke it in crack form or you snort it, maybe you inject it, maybe, you it, maybe you inject it, maybe, you it, maybe you inject it, maybe, you know, combined with other drugs, but know, combined with other drugs, but know, combined with other drugs, but drinking it, it was weird, right? So, drinking it, it was weird, right? So, drinking it, it was weird, right? So, and I don't know how he thought he could and I don't know how he thought he could and I don't know how he thought he could get away with it. I've seen weird get away with it. I've seen weird get away with it. I've seen weird stories where where women are poisoning stories where where women are poisoning stories where where women are poisoning their children or other loved ones or their children or other loved ones or their children or other loved ones or men are using the antifreeze. It is men are using the antifreeze. It is men are using the antifreeze. It is poison and it tasted like a Gatorade poison and it tasted like a Gatorade poison and it tasted like a Gatorade drink. So you could mix it with a sweet drink. So you could mix it with a sweet drink. So you could mix it with a sweet drink and you wouldn't know the drink and you wouldn't know the drink and you wouldn't know the difference. The companies that difference. The companies that difference. The companies that manufacture it, I have heard now put manufacture it, I have heard now put manufacture it, I have heard now put some sort of bitter agent in it so that some sort of bitter agent in it so that some sort of bitter agent in it so that it can't be used as um as a poison. But it can't be used as um as a poison. But it can't be used as um as a poison. But he puts it alcohol in her lemonade. I I he puts it alcohol in her lemonade. I I he puts it alcohol in her lemonade. I I suspect she wasn't even drinking suspect she wasn't even drinking suspect she wasn't even drinking alcohol, but she knew it tasted weird.

alcohol, but she knew it tasted weird. alcohol, but she knew it tasted weird. And what really made this case was when And what really made this case was when And what really made this case was when she knew something was happening to her she knew something was happening to her she knew something was happening to her body because it took some minutes for body because it took some minutes for body because it took some minutes for the the cocaine to take effect and then the the cocaine to take effect and then the the cocaine to take effect and then once it did, I mean, she was gone. I once it did, I mean, she was gone. I once it did, I mean, she was gone. I mean, she was technically alive, but not mean, she was technically alive, but not mean, she was technically alive, but not really. She had really. She had really. She had >> All right. She was vomiting. Yeah. All >> All right. She was vomiting. Yeah. All >> All right. She was vomiting. Yeah. All felt horrible. felt horrible. felt horrible. >> But she dials her best friend who had >> But she dials her best friend who had >> But she dials her best friend who had just been at the apartment. her best just been at the apartment. her best just been at the apartment. her best friend who knew that Bla1 had been there friend who knew that Bla1 had been there friend who knew that Bla1 had been there that they were having this date and that that they were having this date and that that they were having this date and that Jade was telling him she did not want to Jade was telling him she did not want to Jade was telling him she did not want to have an abortion. She was going to have have an abortion. She was going to have have an abortion. She was going to have this baby and they were going to they're this baby and they were going to they're this baby and they were going to they're painting the baby's room. You know, painting the baby's room. You know, painting the baby's room. You know, they're doing things for the baby's room they're doing things for the baby's room they're doing things for the baby's room as you mentioned. Um but she calls her as you mentioned. Um but she calls her as you mentioned. Um but she calls her friend and her friend she doesn't talk friend and her friend she doesn't talk friend and her friend she doesn't talk to her friend. She just is letting her to her friend. She just is letting her to her friend. She just is letting her friend hear her conversation with Blae. friend hear her conversation with Blae. friend hear her conversation with Blae. What did you put in my drink? I knew it What did you put in my drink? I knew it What did you put in my drink? I knew it tasted weird. And that friend was able tasted weird. And that friend was able tasted weird. And that friend was able to testify to Jade's words. That was to testify to Jade's words. That was to testify to Jade's words. That was powerful. That was a 6 minute and 9 powerful. That was a 6 minute and 9 powerful. That was a 6 minute and 9 second phone call according to the to to second phone call according to the to to second phone call according to the to to the records. And it was not the friend the records. And it was not the friend the records. And it was not the friend who had just been there talking back and who had just been there talking back and who had just been there talking back and forth to Jade. It was Jade having a forth to Jade. It was Jade having a forth to Jade. It was Jade having a conversation with Bla1. And the only conversation with Bla1. And the only conversation with Bla1. And the only thing he says when she asks him like, thing he says when she asks him like, thing he says when she asks him like, "You're scaring me, Bla." He says, "You're scaring me, Bla." He says, "You're scaring me, Bla." He says, "You're scaring me." He says that. And "You're scaring me." He says that. And "You're scaring me." He says that. And then she said, "What do you have in your then she said, "What do you have in your then she said, "What do you have in your pocket? Let me see." And then he says, pocket? Let me see." And then he says, pocket? Let me see." And then he says, "I don't have anything. Nothing else did "I don't have anything. Nothing else did "I don't have anything. Nothing else did he respond to." And she's like, "I I he respond to." And she's like, "I I he respond to." And she's like, "I I can't I can't feel I can't feel my can't I can't feel I can't feel my can't I can't feel I can't feel my legs." And she starts losing it at the legs." And she starts losing it at the legs." And she starts losing it at the end, you know, and then her voice drifts end, you know, and then her voice drifts end, you know, and then her voice drifts off and she's apparently unconscious by off and she's apparently unconscious by off and she's apparently unconscious by the end of that phone call. So during

the end of that phone call. So during the end of that phone call. So during those six minutes, she's like saying those six minutes, she's like saying those six minutes, she's like saying things that are very incriminating and things that are very incriminating and things that are very incriminating and that went a long way to helping the that went a long way to helping the that went a long way to helping the prosecution prove its case. prosecution prove its case. prosecution prove its case. >> Yeah, absolutely. She was really the >> Yeah, absolutely. She was really the >> Yeah, absolutely. She was really the star witness for the prosecution because star witness for the prosecution because star witness for the prosecution because um the baby ends up dying about 2 days um the baby ends up dying about 2 days um the baby ends up dying about 2 days after this incident at the house and after this incident at the house and after this incident at the house and police then went to the house to collect police then went to the house to collect police then went to the house to collect some evidence. They collected something some evidence. They collected something some evidence. They collected something like I believe four bottles or glasses like I believe four bottles or glasses like I believe four bottles or glasses and they did not find um any drink laced and they did not find um any drink laced and they did not find um any drink laced with cocaine. So for me, her testimony with cocaine. So for me, her testimony with cocaine. So for me, her testimony and I'm sure at the point of Jade being and I'm sure at the point of Jade being and I'm sure at the point of Jade being hospitalized and the B and everybody's hospitalized and the B and everybody's hospitalized and the B and everybody's life in danger that at that time the life in danger that at that time the life in danger that at that time the police were already trying to gather police were already trying to gather police were already trying to gather some evidence. I I think when we say some evidence. I I think when we say some evidence. I I think when we say there's circumstantial evidence here, it there's circumstantial evidence here, it there's circumstantial evidence here, it wasn't a complete search, right? Because wasn't a complete search, right? Because wasn't a complete search, right? Because I don't think anyone knew what exactly I don't think anyone knew what exactly I don't think anyone knew what exactly they had on their hands at the time. So, they had on their hands at the time. So, they had on their hands at the time. So, first of all, um first of all, um first of all, um she was not dead when when the um first she was not dead when when the um first she was not dead when when the um first responders arrived. So, it's not like it responders arrived. So, it's not like it responders arrived. So, it's not like it was it wasn't a homicide scene and uh it was it wasn't a homicide scene and uh it was it wasn't a homicide scene and uh it becomes a homicide scene, but they did becomes a homicide scene, but they did becomes a homicide scene, but they did not know that right away.

not know that right away. not know that right away. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, the scene wasn't processed. To >> And so, the scene wasn't processed. To >> And so, the scene wasn't processed. To my knowledge, it was not processed like my knowledge, it was not processed like my knowledge, it was not processed like a correct crime scene initially. But a correct crime scene initially. But a correct crime scene initially. But more importantly, oh, you have to have a more importantly, oh, you have to have a more importantly, oh, you have to have a search warrant to go in or the uh search warrant to go in or the uh search warrant to go in or the uh whoever has access to the premises or whoever has access to the premises or whoever has access to the premises or authority over the premises has to give authority over the premises has to give authority over the premises has to give consent. That probably was wasn't an consent. That probably was wasn't an consent. That probably was wasn't an issue in the case. But more importantly, issue in the case. But more importantly, issue in the case. But more importantly, when Bla1 is on the phone with 911, at when Bla1 is on the phone with 911, at when Bla1 is on the phone with 911, at one point he's apparently not in the one point he's apparently not in the one point he's apparently not in the same room with her and he may have even same room with her and he may have even same room with her and he may have even been outside. He had some minutes to get been outside. He had some minutes to get been outside. He had some minutes to get rid of that cup himself. Mhm. rid of that cup himself. Mhm. rid of that cup himself. Mhm. >> That cup it was in photographs that they >> That cup it was in photographs that they >> That cup it was in photographs that they took and he was he took self that like took and he was he took self that like took and he was he took self that like selfie photographs with her during this. selfie photographs with her during this. selfie photographs with her during this. They were taking selfies after she They were taking selfies after she They were taking selfies after she ingested it. Right. ingested it. Right. ingested it. Right. >> So, and but it was still it was starting >> So, and but it was still it was starting >> So, and but it was still it was starting to take effect. to take effect. to take effect. >> Then she calls her friend and >> Then she calls her friend and >> Then she calls her friend and everything, you know, unfolds from everything, you know, unfolds from everything, you know, unfolds from there. He may very well have gotten rid there. He may very well have gotten rid there. He may very well have gotten rid of the cup. That was my first thought. I of the cup. That was my first thought. I of the cup. That was my first thought. I do not blame the police. It's it's do not blame the police. It's it's do not blame the police. It's it's simply saying there wasn't evidence of simply saying there wasn't evidence of simply saying there wasn't evidence of it, it, it, >> but she was she did have a pink drink >> but she was she did have a pink drink >> but she was she did have a pink drink because her friend saw it and that cup because her friend saw it and that cup because her friend saw it and that cup was not there later. And her friend said was not there later. And her friend said was not there later. And her friend said that Blae was not drinking anything, but that Blae was not drinking anything, but that Blae was not drinking anything, but Jade had that pink lemonade. It was Jade had that pink lemonade. It was Jade had that pink lemonade. It was lemonade lemonade lemonade and he had the opportunity to get rid of and he had the opportunity to get rid of and he had the opportunity to get rid of it. So that is why that's evidence is

it. So that is why that's evidence is it. So that is why that's evidence is missing. But you're right. And no one missing. But you're right. And no one missing. But you're right. And no one saw him put something in her drink. And saw him put something in her drink. And saw him put something in her drink. And so the defense can say, "Well, you know so the defense can say, "Well, you know so the defense can say, "Well, you know how you know she didn't do it to how you know she didn't do it to how you know she didn't do it to herself?" herself?" herself?" >> Highly unlikely in those levels, right? >> Highly unlikely in those levels, right? >> Highly unlikely in those levels, right? Like why would you do that? Like why would you do that? Like why would you do that? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Why would you do that? And as you said, >> Why would you do that? And as you said, >> Why would you do that? And as you said, you know, the defense tried to portray you know, the defense tried to portray you know, the defense tried to portray Jade as a woman who did recreational Jade as a woman who did recreational Jade as a woman who did recreational drugs. Um but you know even people for drugs. Um but you know even people for drugs. Um but you know even people for example who smoke I think for the most example who smoke I think for the most example who smoke I think for the most part when someone is pregnant we know part when someone is pregnant we know part when someone is pregnant we know everything that you take in affects that everything that you take in affects that everything that you take in affects that baby. So there's no evidence that Jade baby. So there's no evidence that Jade baby. So there's no evidence that Jade was doing anything other than trying to was doing anything other than trying to was doing anything other than trying to you know take care of her body and her you know take care of her body and her you know take care of her body and her baby. There's no other evidence. What baby. There's no other evidence. What baby. There's no other evidence. What you may have done recreationally before you may have done recreationally before you may have done recreationally before you were pregnant because there was just you were pregnant because there was just you were pregnant because there was just no proof of that. no proof of that. no proof of that. >> Correct. Correct. I mean, you can make >> Correct. Correct. I mean, you can make >> Correct. Correct. I mean, you can make arguments maybe in some inferences in arguments maybe in some inferences in arguments maybe in some inferences in summation, but there was no fact for the summation, but there was no fact for the summation, but there was no fact for the jury to deter. There's no fact put jury to deter. There's no fact put jury to deter. There's no fact put before the jury that she had selfested before the jury that she had selfested before the jury that she had selfested drugs, anything that could be harmful to drugs, anything that could be harmful to drugs, anything that could be harmful to her baby from the time she knew she was her baby from the time she knew she was her baby from the time she knew she was pregnant.

pregnant. pregnant. >> Right. Right. There are several things >> Right. Right. There are several things >> Right. Right. There are several things that trouble me here. Obviously, I that trouble me here. Obviously, I that trouble me here. Obviously, I always say murder is not a always say murder is not a always say murder is not a problem-solving tool, right? And we see problem-solving tool, right? And we see problem-solving tool, right? And we see this all the time. There's always an this all the time. There's always an this all the time. There's always an incident there. There will be an incident there. There will be an incident there. There will be an incident that triggers something. I incident that triggers something. I incident that triggers something. I always say whether a secret's going to always say whether a secret's going to always say whether a secret's going to be revealed. In this case, it would be a be revealed. In this case, it would be a be revealed. In this case, it would be a baby. We've How many women have we seen baby. We've How many women have we seen baby. We've How many women have we seen murdered because they were carrying a murdered because they were carrying a murdered because they were carrying a baby that the father didn't want or baby that the father didn't want or baby that the father didn't want or maybe it was an extrammarital affair. It maybe it was an extrammarital affair. It maybe it was an extrammarital affair. It could have been any number of things. We could have been any number of things. We could have been any number of things. We see pregnant women killed because of see pregnant women killed because of see pregnant women killed because of this this this >> all the time. I may be dating myself, >> all the time. I may be dating myself, >> all the time. I may be dating myself, but years ago, CourtTV covered a trial but years ago, CourtTV covered a trial but years ago, CourtTV covered a trial down south, North Carolina, South down south, North Carolina, South down south, North Carolina, South Carolina. A NFL player named Ray Kuth Carolina. A NFL player named Ray Kuth Carolina. A NFL player named Ray Kuth had hired someone to shoot into the car had hired someone to shoot into the car had hired someone to shoot into the car that his pregnant girlfriend was driving that his pregnant girlfriend was driving that his pregnant girlfriend was driving in. She ended up dying. The baby lived, in. She ended up dying. The baby lived, in. She ended up dying. The baby lived, but is special needs. And that child is but is special needs. And that child is but is special needs. And that child is probably a young adult today. And he probably a young adult today. And he probably a young adult today. And he went to prison. That was of NFL player went to prison. That was of NFL player went to prison. That was of NFL player killing, you know, the pregnant killing, you know, the pregnant killing, you know, the pregnant girlfriend. I mentioned uh Scott girlfriend. I mentioned uh Scott girlfriend. I mentioned uh Scott Peterson. These are just a couple cases Peterson. These are just a couple cases Peterson. These are just a couple cases that come to mind. It happens all the that come to mind. It happens all the that come to mind. It happens all the time.

time. time. >> A case in Mississippi, University of >> A case in Mississippi, University of >> A case in Mississippi, University of Mississippi student I was following at. Mississippi student I was following at. Mississippi student I was following at. He took he killed his He took he killed his He took he killed his >> the young, you know, undergrad who >> the young, you know, undergrad who >> the young, you know, undergrad who wanted to have the baby, didn't want to wanted to have the baby, didn't want to wanted to have the baby, didn't want to have an abortion. And I don't even think have an abortion. And I don't even think have an abortion. And I don't even think they were boyfriend, girlfriend, but they were boyfriend, girlfriend, but they were boyfriend, girlfriend, but took her to this park area in um like took her to this park area in um like took her to this park area in um like outside of Oxford and shot her several outside of Oxford and shot her several outside of Oxford and shot her several times and sort of propped her up on the times and sort of propped her up on the times and sort of propped her up on the picnic table so that she wasn't found picnic table so that she wasn't found picnic table so that she wasn't found right away and she's dead, you know, but right away and she's dead, you know, but right away and she's dead, you know, but she was pregnant. It's cuz she was she was pregnant. It's cuz she was she was pregnant. It's cuz she was pregnant and she didn't want to have a pregnant and she didn't want to have a pregnant and she didn't want to have a uh she she didn't want to have an uh she she didn't want to have an uh she she didn't want to have an abortion and and he's in prison today. abortion and and he's in prison today. abortion and and he's in prison today. Comes from a very well-healed family who Comes from a very well-healed family who Comes from a very well-healed family who tried their best, but tried their best, but tried their best, but >> and then you look at someone like Blae, >> and then you look at someone like Blae, >> and then you look at someone like Blae, right? He manages to get an right? He manages to get an right? He manages to get an undergraduate and a graduate degree undergraduate and a graduate degree undergraduate and a graduate degree while playing competitive college while playing competitive college while playing competitive college football. Clearly, he's a smart guy. football. Clearly, he's a smart guy. football. Clearly, he's a smart guy. Dude, wear a condom. I mean, you he is Dude, wear a condom. I mean, you he is Dude, wear a condom. I mean, you he is repeating history here with the women he repeating history here with the women he repeating history here with the women he has sex with. has sex with. has sex with. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And and creating very dangerous >> And and creating very dangerous >> And and creating very dangerous situations. situations. situations. >> Exactly. I just, you know, I look at >> Exactly. I just, you know, I look at >> Exactly. I just, you know, I look at somebody like him, I say, "Oh my god, somebody like him, I say, "Oh my god, somebody like him, I say, "Oh my god, there's a life thrown away." Not I mean there's a life thrown away." Not I mean there's a life thrown away." Not I mean not he killed two people but he not he killed two people but he not he killed two people but he destroyed his own life too, right? I destroyed his own life too, right? I destroyed his own life too, right? I mean he is he's going to be sentenced on mean he is he's going to be sentenced on mean he is he's going to be sentenced on September 9th and um am I jumping the September 9th and um am I jumping the September 9th and um am I jumping the gun by getting to that? But I just want gun by getting to that? But I just want gun by getting to that? But I just want to say that uh you know there's four to say that uh you know there's four to say that uh you know there's four counts of murder, first degree, second counts of murder, first degree, second counts of murder, first degree, second degree, one for each victim and then two degree, one for each victim and then two degree, one for each victim and then two felony murders, which was kind of weird.

felony murders, which was kind of weird. felony murders, which was kind of weird. It's a felony murder. Felony murder is It's a felony murder. Felony murder is It's a felony murder. Felony murder is different stateto state, but basically different stateto state, but basically different stateto state, but basically felony murder means that in the course felony murder means that in the course felony murder means that in the course of a felony you kill someone. Like of a felony you kill someone. Like of a felony you kill someone. Like you're not in there's no intent. There's you're not in there's no intent. There's you're not in there's no intent. There's no intent to kill. It's just in the no intent to kill. It's just in the no intent to kill. It's just in the course of committing a felony, you end course of committing a felony, you end course of committing a felony, you end up killing someone. You go to rob a up killing someone. You go to rob a up killing someone. You go to rob a store with your buddy and your buddy store with your buddy and your buddy store with your buddy and your buddy shoots the clerk, you could go down for shoots the clerk, you could go down for shoots the clerk, you could go down for felony murder because you were part of felony murder because you were part of felony murder because you were part of the robbery. But this I mean I didn't I the robbery. But this I mean I didn't I the robbery. But this I mean I didn't I didn't see the indictment, but I was didn't see the indictment, but I was didn't see the indictment, but I was like what was the underlying felony? It like what was the underlying felony? It like what was the underlying felony? It was apparently the is the attempted was apparently the is the attempted was apparently the is the attempted murder of the other victim. So while murder of the other victim. So while murder of the other victim. So while attempting to murder the baby, he killed attempting to murder the baby, he killed attempting to murder the baby, he killed mom. while attempting to murder mom, he mom. while attempting to murder mom, he mom. while attempting to murder mom, he killed the baby. So, um killed the baby. So, um killed the baby. So, um >> interesting. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> See, he So, he's facing the the jury >> See, he So, he's facing the the jury >> See, he So, he's facing the the jury they they apparently they when he was they they apparently they when he was they they apparently they when he was facing life without parole, which is facing life without parole, which is facing life without parole, which is what first degree murder, one count of what first degree murder, one count of what first degree murder, one count of first-degree murder carries. The jury first-degree murder carries. The jury first-degree murder carries. The jury will decide sentence. That's it's will decide sentence. That's it's will decide sentence. That's it's capital. It could have been death, but capital. It could have been death, but capital. It could have been death, but they weren't seeking death. Death or they weren't seeking death. Death or they weren't seeking death. Death or life without parole or parole life.

life without parole or parole life. life without parole or parole life. And the jury decides that one sentence And the jury decides that one sentence And the jury decides that one sentence for that one count. and they came back for that one count. and they came back for that one count. and they came back with parole life, but he has to do like with parole life, but he has to do like with parole life, but he has to do like 51 years. Now, he's going to be 51 years. Now, he's going to be 51 years. Now, he's going to be sentenced on the other counts, which is sentenced on the other counts, which is sentenced on the other counts, which is the judge's decision. But the big thing the judge's decision. But the big thing the judge's decision. But the big thing that everyone's waiting to hear is not that everyone's waiting to hear is not that everyone's waiting to hear is not just like what the sentence will be just like what the sentence will be just like what the sentence will be because he's probably never going to be because he's probably never going to be because he's probably never going to be free. free. free. >> Um, is whether or not the sentences are >> Um, is whether or not the sentences are >> Um, is whether or not the sentences are going to be stacked or concurrent. And going to be stacked or concurrent. And going to be stacked or concurrent. And that means because there's two victims, that means because there's two victims, that means because there's two victims, right? the sentences for each victim one right? the sentences for each victim one right? the sentences for each victim one one once he's done mom's sentence he's one once he's done mom's sentence he's one once he's done mom's sentence he's going to do baby sentence one after the going to do baby sentence one after the going to do baby sentence one after the other consecutive other consecutive other consecutive >> and then he'll never get out >> and then he'll never get out >> and then he'll never get out >> correct and I suspect that's what will >> correct and I suspect that's what will >> correct and I suspect that's what will happen there's two victims but the happen there's two victims but the happen there's two victims but the sentences as opposed to that go to each sentences as opposed to that go to each sentences as opposed to that go to each victim one felony murder one victim one felony murder one victim one felony murder one seconddegree murder one felony murder seconddegree murder one felony murder seconddegree murder one felony murder one first-degree murder those will merge one first-degree murder those will merge one first-degree murder those will merge by operational law because it's the same by operational law because it's the same by operational law because it's the same victim same incident those will merge so victim same incident those will merge so victim same incident those will merge so whatever those sentences are will merge whatever those sentences are will merge whatever those sentences are will merge question is will the sentences be for question is will the sentences be for question is will the sentences be for each victim be consecutive or each victim be consecutive or each victim be consecutive or concurrent. So that's what you should concurrent. So that's what you should concurrent. So that's what you should listen for on September 9th.

listen for on September 9th. listen for on September 9th. >> Yeah, it's he's definitely not getting >> Yeah, it's he's definitely not getting >> Yeah, it's he's definitely not getting out anytime soon and understandably so. out anytime soon and understandably so. out anytime soon and understandably so. He has taken two lives. Look, there's no He has taken two lives. Look, there's no He has taken two lives. Look, there's no justification. I mean, we can make justification. I mean, we can make justification. I mean, we can make arguments in other cases with something arguments in other cases with something arguments in other cases with something self-defense, but in this case, this was self-defense, but in this case, this was self-defense, but in this case, this was completely unnecessary. completely unnecessary. completely unnecessary. Completely unnecessary. She wasn't Completely unnecessary. She wasn't Completely unnecessary. She wasn't asking him for anything like I will make asking him for anything like I will make asking him for anything like I will make this work. However, he knows if if at this work. However, he knows if if at this work. However, he knows if if at some point when Ivy, which is what she some point when Ivy, which is what she some point when Ivy, which is what she was naming her daughter, when Ivy was 10 was naming her daughter, when Ivy was 10 was naming her daughter, when Ivy was 10 years old, maybe maybe Jade would was years old, maybe maybe Jade would was years old, maybe maybe Jade would was going to hit a a hard patch in her life going to hit a a hard patch in her life going to hit a a hard patch in her life financially or wanted to send Ivy to a financially or wanted to send Ivy to a financially or wanted to send Ivy to a private school. She could hit him up for private school. She could hit him up for private school. She could hit him up for some money. He is the father. He does by some money. He is the father. He does by some money. He is the father. He does by law have an obligation to support this law have an obligation to support this law have an obligation to support this baby and he knows he will always be baby and he knows he will always be baby and he knows he will always be attached to them. He'll always there'll attached to them. He'll always there'll attached to them. He'll always there'll always be a connection and she could always be a connection and she could always be a connection and she could always take him to court. I don't care always take him to court. I don't care always take him to court. I don't care if she says I don't want support. A lot if she says I don't want support. A lot if she says I don't want support. A lot of women would say, you know, I don't of women would say, you know, I don't of women would say, you know, I don't want the headache of going after him.

want the headache of going after him. want the headache of going after him. I'll figure it out. But he could I'll figure it out. But he could I'll figure it out. But he could technically um be forced to give up some technically um be forced to give up some technically um be forced to give up some of his money. of his money. of his money. >> You know what? that would have been a >> You know what? that would have been a >> You know what? that would have been a much better choice obviously, but no, much better choice obviously, but no, much better choice obviously, but no, for some reason this guy thought he for some reason this guy thought he for some reason this guy thought he could get away with it. So, let's look could get away with it. So, let's look could get away with it. So, let's look at some of the details here, both of the at some of the details here, both of the at some of the details here, both of the the two people involved and also um the the two people involved and also um the the two people involved and also um the things that led up to that night and how things that led up to that night and how things that led up to that night and how we got to this point. So, Bla1 Taylor we got to this point. So, Bla1 Taylor we got to this point. So, Bla1 Taylor grew up in a football family. His father grew up in a football family. His father grew up in a football family. His father was a coach at Arkansas State where Blae was a coach at Arkansas State where Blae was a coach at Arkansas State where Blae would eventually attend. Um he made a would eventually attend. Um he made a would eventually attend. Um he made a name for himself as a standout defensive name for himself as a standout defensive name for himself as a standout defensive back and captain of the football team. back and captain of the football team. back and captain of the football team. He was athletic and academic. Right. So He was athletic and academic. Right. So He was athletic and academic. Right. So in many ways this young man had it all in many ways this young man had it all in many ways this young man had it all had it all going for him. had it all going for him. had it all going for him. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> After college Bla1 stayed in the >> After college Bla1 stayed in the >> After college Bla1 stayed in the football field. He didn't play but um he football field. He didn't play but um he football field. He didn't play but um he was a scout for the Tennessee Titans.

was a scout for the Tennessee Titans. was a scout for the Tennessee Titans. That's a big deal. You know, you dream That's a big deal. You know, you dream That's a big deal. You know, you dream of pro football. Jade was also of pro football. Jade was also of pro football. Jade was also originally from Arkansas and in high originally from Arkansas and in high originally from Arkansas and in high school she was in cheer and she competed school she was in cheer and she competed school she was in cheer and she competed in cheer. She followed her passion of in cheer. She followed her passion of in cheer. She followed her passion of cooking and became a chef and had a cooking and became a chef and had a cooking and became a chef and had a catering company in Nashville. Jade and catering company in Nashville. Jade and catering company in Nashville. Jade and Blae met on Hinge sometime in early Blae met on Hinge sometime in early Blae met on Hinge sometime in early 2022. They apparently talked on and off 2022. They apparently talked on and off 2022. They apparently talked on and off for periods. They finally hooked up in for periods. They finally hooked up in for periods. They finally hooked up in August of that year and by November Jade August of that year and by November Jade August of that year and by November Jade was pregnant. told Blae that not only was pregnant. told Blae that not only was pregnant. told Blae that not only was she pregnant, that it was his child was she pregnant, that it was his child was she pregnant, that it was his child and she was keeping it. So Blae did not and she was keeping it. So Blae did not and she was keeping it. So Blae did not want this baby. We've made that want this baby. We've made that want this baby. We've made that absolutely clear. And at the time of her absolutely clear. And at the time of her absolutely clear. And at the time of her death, remember Jade was 5 months death, remember Jade was 5 months death, remember Jade was 5 months pregnant. So there were no issues with pregnant. So there were no issues with pregnant. So there were no issues with the pregnancy. Everything is the baby's the pregnancy. Everything is the baby's the pregnancy. Everything is the baby's believed Ivy was very healthy. Um, believed Ivy was very healthy. Um, believed Ivy was very healthy. Um, what's important here as far as the what's important here as far as the what's important here as far as the timing of the murder murders is that the timing of the murder murders is that the timing of the murder murders is that the possibility that Ivy would have been possibility that Ivy would have been possibility that Ivy would have been viable at 5 months during this incident.

viable at 5 months during this incident. viable at 5 months during this incident. But of course, because of the level of But of course, because of the level of But of course, because of the level of poisoning and intoxication, poisoning and intoxication, poisoning and intoxication, there is no way really that either one there is no way really that either one there is no way really that either one of them could survive this because of of them could survive this because of of them could survive this because of the amount of cocaine. You know, it was the amount of cocaine. You know, it was the amount of cocaine. You know, it was it was lethal. It was lethal. So on the it was lethal. It was lethal. So on the it was lethal. It was lethal. So on the evening of February 25th of 2023, evening of February 25th of 2023, evening of February 25th of 2023, because we got to go back a few years, because we got to go back a few years, because we got to go back a few years, the mother became unresponsive after the mother became unresponsive after the mother became unresponsive after consuming that beverage that we've been consuming that beverage that we've been consuming that beverage that we've been talking about. Okay. So that night, I talking about. Okay. So that night, I talking about. Okay. So that night, I don't know, would you call this a date? don't know, would you call this a date? don't know, would you call this a date? It's so interesting. Um because they're It's so interesting. Um because they're It's so interesting. Um because they're painting things for the baby's room. painting things for the baby's room. painting things for the baby's room. Jade invited him over, was gonna cook Jade invited him over, was gonna cook Jade invited him over, was gonna cook her um famous chicken Alfredo. She's a her um famous chicken Alfredo. She's a her um famous chicken Alfredo. She's a great chef. So, you know, I could see great chef. So, you know, I could see great chef. So, you know, I could see this as being a kind of night of I don't this as being a kind of night of I don't this as being a kind of night of I don't know, trying to repair things and say know, trying to repair things and say know, trying to repair things and say it's going to be okay. it's going to be okay. it's going to be okay. Yeah. Kind of a Yeah, maybe a little bit Yeah. Kind of a Yeah, maybe a little bit Yeah. Kind of a Yeah, maybe a little bit of a date night at home date night of a date night at home date night of a date night at home date night because they really weren't that much because they really weren't that much because they really weren't that much into each other's lives anymore. Um, but into each other's lives anymore. Um, but into each other's lives anymore. Um, but maybe she was hoping that he would see maybe she was hoping that he would see maybe she was hoping that he would see how she's fairing, like she's starting, how she's fairing, like she's starting, how she's fairing, like she's starting, she's got the nursery and they're she's got the nursery and they're she's got the nursery and they're painting things with the baby. But I I painting things with the baby. But I I painting things with the baby. But I I heard part of her friend's testimony heard part of her friend's testimony heard part of her friend's testimony when her friend talked about being at when her friend talked about being at when her friend talked about being at the apartment that night.

the apartment that night. the apartment that night. >> And um there she said like, "What are >> And um there she said like, "What are >> And um there she said like, "What are you what are you gonna paint?" And Jade you what are you gonna paint?" And Jade you what are you gonna paint?" And Jade was going to paint some colorful some was going to paint some colorful some was going to paint some colorful some things to put on the wall, the baby's things to put on the wall, the baby's things to put on the wall, the baby's room. And then she said that Blae said, room. And then she said that Blae said, room. And then she said that Blae said, "I'm going to paint a big black hole as "I'm going to paint a big black hole as "I'm going to paint a big black hole as dark as midnight, and the deeper you dark as midnight, and the deeper you dark as midnight, and the deeper you look into it, the more you'll get lost." look into it, the more you'll get lost." look into it, the more you'll get lost." Something something like that. That came Something something like that. That came Something something like that. That came right on the heels of Jade saying she right on the heels of Jade saying she right on the heels of Jade saying she was going to paint something really was going to paint something really was going to paint something really colorful for the baby. So, the friend colorful for the baby. So, the friend colorful for the baby. So, the friend said it was just so dark and she was said it was just so dark and she was said it was just so dark and she was like, "Oh, okay. Maybe put a little like, "Oh, okay. Maybe put a little like, "Oh, okay. Maybe put a little color around the black hole, you know, color around the black hole, you know, color around the black hole, you know, but but but >> right stars. It's a galaxy far off. >> right stars. It's a galaxy far off. >> right stars. It's a galaxy far off. >> Yeah. So very strange. >> Yeah. So very strange. >> Yeah. So very strange. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Now what's >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Now what's >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Now what's interesting that the you know the interesting that the you know the interesting that the you know the prosecution prosecution prosecution coming up with motive they claim two coming up with motive they claim two coming up with motive they claim two motives. One he didn't want the baby and motives. One he didn't want the baby and motives. One he didn't want the baby and two he was in another relationship and two he was in another relationship and two he was in another relationship and he wanted that relationship to work. So he wanted that relationship to work. So he wanted that relationship to work. So he needed to get um you know his baby he needed to get um you know his baby he needed to get um you know his baby mama and the baby out of the way. So, mama and the baby out of the way. So, mama and the baby out of the way. So, uh, according to the prosecution, Bla1 uh, according to the prosecution, Bla1 uh, according to the prosecution, Bla1 was texting another woman at the time was texting another woman at the time was texting another woman at the time and he was falling for her and he texted and he was falling for her and he texted and he was falling for her and he texted the woman, quote, "I love you and I need the woman, quote, "I love you and I need the woman, quote, "I love you and I need you to love me back and be in love with you to love me back and be in love with you to love me back and be in love with me." First of all, who says that? I need me." First of all, who says that? I need me." First of all, who says that? I need you to love me and be in love with me.

you to love me and be in love with me. you to love me and be in love with me. Are you crazy? Are you crazy? Are you crazy? >> Yeah, that's that's an imbalance in a >> Yeah, that's that's an imbalance in a >> Yeah, that's that's an imbalance in a relationship, right? You don't should relationship, right? You don't should relationship, right? You don't should not have to say something like that. But not have to say something like that. But not have to say something like that. But maybe he knew what he was about to do maybe he knew what he was about to do maybe he knew what he was about to do and things are going to get really and things are going to get really and things are going to get really precarious for him. Um I I don't know. precarious for him. Um I I don't know. precarious for him. Um I I don't know. He wanted a a he wanted a break from He wanted a a he wanted a break from He wanted a a he wanted a break from Jade. I know the jury found that there w Jade. I know the jury found that there w Jade. I know the jury found that there w at least wasn't proof beyond a at least wasn't proof beyond a at least wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he wanted to kill reasonable doubt that he wanted to kill reasonable doubt that he wanted to kill Jade. Definitely the baby, but not Jade. Jade. Definitely the baby, but not Jade. Jade. Definitely the baby, but not Jade. But, But, But, you know, you got to wonder that was you know, you got to wonder that was you know, you got to wonder that was such a huge amount, excuse me, of such a huge amount, excuse me, of such a huge amount, excuse me, of cocaine that you got to wonder, you cocaine that you got to wonder, you cocaine that you got to wonder, you know, like he maybe he really did want know, like he maybe he really did want know, like he maybe he really did want her out of the picture, too. He want a her out of the picture, too. He want a her out of the picture, too. He want a clean break. He doesn't want to be tied clean break. He doesn't want to be tied clean break. He doesn't want to be tied to her in any way, shape, or form. New to her in any way, shape, or form. New to her in any way, shape, or form. New new love, new girlfriend, and, you know, new love, new girlfriend, and, you know, new love, new girlfriend, and, you know, new chapter in his life. new chapter in his life. new chapter in his life. >> But what other possible outcome could >> But what other possible outcome could >> But what other possible outcome could there be? Of course, it was going to there be? Of course, it was going to there be? Of course, it was going to affect her. How in the world can you affect her. How in the world can you affect her. How in the world can you can't extricate one from the other? can't extricate one from the other? can't extricate one from the other? They're all in one body.

They're all in one body. They're all in one body. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> So, what happened? >> So, what happened? >> So, what happened? >> Yeah. But and I have to wonder if he >> Yeah. But and I have to wonder if he >> Yeah. But and I have to wonder if he understood the amount of cocaine he was understood the amount of cocaine he was understood the amount of cocaine he was giving her that it was such a massive giving her that it was such a massive giving her that it was such a massive amount that it was going to kill both amount that it was going to kill both amount that it was going to kill both like and like she was going to be gone. like and like she was going to be gone. like and like she was going to be gone. Like she never communicated again after Like she never communicated again after Like she never communicated again after the EMTs picked her up. I just wonder if the EMTs picked her up. I just wonder if the EMTs picked her up. I just wonder if he could do it again, turn the clock he could do it again, turn the clock he could do it again, turn the clock back and he still was going to poison back and he still was going to poison back and he still was going to poison her if he would have put in less poison her if he would have put in less poison her if he would have put in less poison uh less cocaine because it it was such a uh less cocaine because it it was such a uh less cocaine because it it was such a massive amount. As you mentioned, the massive amount. As you mentioned, the massive amount. As you mentioned, the medical examiner said she had never seen medical examiner said she had never seen medical examiner said she had never seen that amount uh ingested. It was obvious that amount uh ingested. It was obvious that amount uh ingested. It was obvious that um it was orally taken orally that um it was orally taken orally that um it was orally taken orally because the amount that was in the body, because the amount that was in the body, because the amount that was in the body, you don't get that amount in your body, you don't get that amount in your body, you don't get that amount in your body, you know, through smoking or snorting. you know, through smoking or snorting. you know, through smoking or snorting. I I you know this guy was just not I I you know this guy was just not I I you know this guy was just not thinking. I don't this this makes me thinking. I don't this this makes me thinking. I don't this this makes me think like and I don't want to take a think like and I don't want to take a think like and I don't want to take a tangent here on the McKenzie Sharilla tangent here on the McKenzie Sharilla tangent here on the McKenzie Sharilla case, but it's the question of you know case, but it's the question of you know case, but it's the question of you know this is the the teen who was drove a car this is the the teen who was drove a car this is the the teen who was drove a car at 100 miles an hour into a wall in Ohio at 100 miles an hour into a wall in Ohio at 100 miles an hour into a wall in Ohio and her boyfriend and her boyfriend's and her boyfriend and her boyfriend's and her boyfriend and her boyfriend's friend were killed in that car and she friend were killed in that car and she friend were killed in that car and she survived and you know she's been survived and you know she's been survived and you know she's been convicted of murder and the question convicted of murder and the question convicted of murder and the question being again what did you think was going being again what did you think was going being again what did you think was going to happen if you go a 100 miles an hour to happen if you go a 100 miles an hour to happen if you go a 100 miles an hour into a brick wall. Like what what into a brick wall. Like what what into a brick wall. Like what what possible other outcome could there be?

possible other outcome could there be? possible other outcome could there be? >> It's amazing. She survived. >> It's amazing. She survived. >> It's amazing. She survived. >> Yes. She had her seatelt on. They did >> Yes. She had her seatelt on. They did >> Yes. She had her seatelt on. They did not. And one of the theories is that the not. And one of the theories is that the not. And one of the theories is that the two of them because the car had gone two of them because the car had gone two of them because the car had gone from driving to neutral were were, you from driving to neutral were were, you from driving to neutral were were, you know, jumping over to stop the car. know, jumping over to stop the car. know, jumping over to stop the car. >> Um we don't know that. That is the >> Um we don't know that. That is the >> Um we don't know that. That is the theory. That is the theory as to why the theory. That is the theory as to why the theory. That is the theory as to why the two young men did not have their two young men did not have their two young men did not have their seatelts on. But again, it goes to like seatelts on. But again, it goes to like seatelts on. But again, it goes to like how can you how can you poison a baby how can you how can you poison a baby how can you how can you poison a baby and kill it but have it not affect the and kill it but have it not affect the and kill it but have it not affect the mother? What were you thinking? mother? What were you thinking? mother? What were you thinking? >> Exactly. I >> Exactly. I >> Exactly. I I I I don't I don't know what to say to I I I don't I don't know what to say to I I I don't I don't know what to say to that. But prosecutors will argue motive, that. But prosecutors will argue motive, that. But prosecutors will argue motive, but they don't have to prove motive. but they don't have to prove motive. but they don't have to prove motive. Motive is not an element of the crimes Motive is not an element of the crimes Motive is not an element of the crimes charged, right? But it's always good if charged, right? But it's always good if charged, right? But it's always good if you can give the jury a reason why you you can give the jury a reason why you you can give the jury a reason why you believe this happened. And being able to believe this happened. And being able to believe this happened. And being able to call an ex-girlfriend to say yes, he got call an ex-girlfriend to say yes, he got call an ex-girlfriend to say yes, he got a different girlfriend pregnant, asked a different girlfriend pregnant, asked a different girlfriend pregnant, asked me to get the abortion drug for her. You me to get the abortion drug for her. You me to get the abortion drug for her. You know, like that helps to establish a know, like that helps to establish a know, like that helps to establish a motive. Plus, you had his own words that motive. Plus, you had his own words that motive. Plus, you had his own words that he didn't want in the text messages. He he didn't want in the text messages. He he didn't want in the text messages. He he wanted her to have an abortion. So, he wanted her to have an abortion. So, he wanted her to have an abortion. So, it was very clear he didn't want this it was very clear he didn't want this it was very clear he didn't want this baby. And I think that that's why it was baby. And I think that that's why it was baby. And I think that that's why it was very clear that the jury was able to very clear that the jury was able to very clear that the jury was able to say, "Okay, there's proof beyond a say, "Okay, there's proof beyond a say, "Okay, there's proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it was a reasonable doubt that it was a reasonable doubt that it was a premeditated murder of the baby." Um, premeditated murder of the baby." Um, premeditated murder of the baby." Um, less so, you know, he's never less so, you know, he's never less so, you know, he's never tried to kill a girlfriend before, I tried to kill a girlfriend before, I tried to kill a girlfriend before, I guess. So, and and he didn't testify.

guess. So, and and he didn't testify. guess. So, and and he didn't testify. He didn't testify. No, He didn't testify. No, He didn't testify. No, >> no, he didn't testify. And he didn't say >> no, he didn't testify. And he didn't say >> no, he didn't testify. And he didn't say anything at sentencing either. anything at sentencing either. anything at sentencing either. You didn't have to, you know, like You didn't have to, you know, like You didn't have to, you know, like people want there to be more in a people want there to be more in a people want there to be more in a defense case and it's like that's all defense case and it's like that's all defense case and it's like that's all that's all the defense has. So many that's all the defense has. So many that's all the defense has. So many people will say that and I've covered people will say that and I've covered people will say that and I've covered trials for years and it's like they trials for years and it's like they trials for years and it's like they don't have to put anyone on. They don't don't have to put anyone on. They don't don't have to put anyone on. They don't have to put any witness on. The defense have to put any witness on. The defense have to put any witness on. The defense can raise reasonable doubt through can raise reasonable doubt through can raise reasonable doubt through cross-examination of the prosecution's cross-examination of the prosecution's cross-examination of the prosecution's witnesses. They can rest after the witnesses. They can rest after the witnesses. They can rest after the prosecution rests without calling a prosecution rests without calling a prosecution rests without calling a soul. Usually they do call someone, soul. Usually they do call someone, soul. Usually they do call someone, especially when you have a battle of the especially when you have a battle of the especially when you have a battle of the experts. And I know we're going to get experts. And I know we're going to get experts. And I know we're going to get to the medical examiner cuz that's an to the medical examiner cuz that's an to the medical examiner cuz that's an interesting issue in this case that the interesting issue in this case that the interesting issue in this case that the medical examiner could not give an medical examiner could not give an medical examiner could not give an opinion of whether or not this was a opinion of whether or not this was a opinion of whether or not this was a homicide. Right. She said it was homicide. Right. She said it was homicide. Right. She said it was undetermined. undetermined. undetermined. >> Undetermined. >> Undetermined. >> Undetermined. >> Undetermined. Which again I also don't >> Undetermined. Which again I also don't >> Undetermined. Which again I also don't find unusual. I've talked to prosecutors find unusual. I've talked to prosecutors find unusual. I've talked to prosecutors and I've said if you know would you and I've said if you know would you and I've said if you know would you prosecute a a murder if the ME couldn't prosecute a a murder if the ME couldn't prosecute a a murder if the ME couldn't decide if it was a suicide or an decide if it was a suicide or an decide if it was a suicide or an accident or undetermined. You know accident or undetermined. You know accident or undetermined. You know there's five categories. This is manner there's five categories. This is manner there's five categories. This is manner of death. This is what we classify it of death. This is what we classify it of death. This is what we classify it as. Not the cause of death. Cause of as. Not the cause of death. Cause of as. Not the cause of death. Cause of death here was poisoning. Sometimes it's death here was poisoning. Sometimes it's death here was poisoning. Sometimes it's gunshot wounds. Sometimes the cause is gunshot wounds. Sometimes the cause is gunshot wounds. Sometimes the cause is blunt force trauma, stabbing. That's blunt force trauma, stabbing. That's blunt force trauma, stabbing. That's cause. That's a mechanism. The manner of cause. That's a mechanism. The manner of cause. That's a mechanism. The manner of death. There's five c five categories.

death. There's five c five categories. death. There's five c five categories. Undetermined is the fifth. So it's Undetermined is the fifth. So it's Undetermined is the fifth. So it's suicide, homicide, natural, suicide, homicide, natural, suicide, homicide, natural, um, accident, and right um, accident, and right um, accident, and right >> homicide. >> homicide. >> homicide. Not all homicides are murders. Okay. Not all homicides are murders. Okay. Not all homicides are murders. Okay. Homicide just means death at the hands Homicide just means death at the hands Homicide just means death at the hands of another. of another. of another. The medical examiner would even go there The medical examiner would even go there The medical examiner would even go there than say that he's the one who put it in than say that he's the one who put it in than say that he's the one who put it in the cup because she's just not sure. She the cup because she's just not sure. She the cup because she's just not sure. She just wasn't sure. She But I'm not going just wasn't sure. She But I'm not going just wasn't sure. She But I'm not going to say that. You know, this is the me. to say that. You know, this is the me. to say that. You know, this is the me. I'm not going to say she ingested this I'm not going to say she ingested this I'm not going to say she ingested this on her own and it was an accidental on her own and it was an accidental on her own and it was an accidental overdose. Certainly wasn't a suicide. I overdose. Certainly wasn't a suicide. I overdose. Certainly wasn't a suicide. I can't say it's a homicide because I can't say it's a homicide because I can't say it's a homicide because I don't know. I don't know. We don't have don't know. I don't know. We don't have don't know. I don't know. We don't have the cup. I don't know that he put it in the cup. I don't know that he put it in the cup. I don't know that he put it in there. We never found any alcohol or any there. We never found any alcohol or any there. We never found any alcohol or any cocaine on him. So she just it's cocaine on him. So she just it's cocaine on him. So she just it's undetermined. So what? That's an undetermined. So what? That's an undetermined. So what? That's an opinion. It doesn't carry legal weight. opinion. It doesn't carry legal weight. opinion. It doesn't carry legal weight. It's an opinion. That's why we have It's an opinion. That's why we have It's an opinion. That's why we have battle of the experts all the time. Uh a battle of the experts all the time. Uh a battle of the experts all the time. Uh a medical examiner will be called by the medical examiner will be called by the medical examiner will be called by the defense in many cases. I covered Phil defense in many cases. I covered Phil defense in many cases. I covered Phil Spectre, the music producers trial years Spectre, the music producers trial years Spectre, the music producers trial years ago in in Los Angeles and he was found ago in in Los Angeles and he was found ago in in Los Angeles and he was found guilty of sticking a gun, a loaded gun guilty of sticking a gun, a loaded gun guilty of sticking a gun, a loaded gun in this woman's mouth and maybe in this woman's mouth and maybe in this woman's mouth and maybe accidentally pulling the trigger, but accidentally pulling the trigger, but accidentally pulling the trigger, but that doesn't matter because it was so that doesn't matter because it was so that doesn't matter because it was so reckless what he did that it was a ver reckless what he did that it was a ver reckless what he did that it was a ver it's a type of seconddegree murder. And it's a type of seconddegree murder. And it's a type of seconddegree murder. And um he he did it, but the defense was um he he did it, but the defense was um he he did it, but the defense was like was an accidental suicide. She like was an accidental suicide. She like was an accidental suicide. She killed herself. She wanted to go out in killed herself. She wanted to go out in killed herself. She wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. She didn't like where a blaze of glory. She didn't like where a blaze of glory. She didn't like where her career was. And so she did that to her career was. And so she did that to her career was. And so she did that to herself. She was drunk. Maybe she didn't

herself. She was drunk. Maybe she didn't herself. She was drunk. Maybe she didn't she wouldn't have done it if she was she wouldn't have done it if she was she wouldn't have done it if she was sober. That was their their defense. So sober. That was their their defense. So sober. That was their their defense. So we had a battle of the pathologist, the we had a battle of the pathologist, the we had a battle of the pathologist, the medical examiners at the trial. medical examiners at the trial. medical examiners at the trial. This happens all the time. So I know a This happens all the time. So I know a This happens all the time. So I know a lot of people made a big deal out of it lot of people made a big deal out of it lot of people made a big deal out of it that the medical examiner just couldn't that the medical examiner just couldn't that the medical examiner just couldn't tell. She couldn't go there. But it's tell. She couldn't go there. But it's tell. She couldn't go there. But it's just an opinion that doesn't carry legal just an opinion that doesn't carry legal just an opinion that doesn't carry legal weight. It's an opinion. The jury found weight. It's an opinion. The jury found weight. It's an opinion. The jury found it was a mur. Oh, by the way, when I say it was a mur. Oh, by the way, when I say it was a mur. Oh, by the way, when I say not all homicides are murders, homicide not all homicides are murders, homicide not all homicides are murders, homicide at the hands of another, could be at the hands of another, could be at the hands of another, could be murder, could be manslaughter, could be murder, could be manslaughter, could be murder, could be manslaughter, could be criminally negligent homicide or some criminally negligent homicide or some criminally negligent homicide or some sort of reckless homicide, vehicular sort of reckless homicide, vehicular sort of reckless homicide, vehicular homicide, could be a justifiable homicide, could be a justifiable homicide, could be a justifiable homicide. homicide. homicide. >> Right? >> Right? >> Right? >> Sometimes people kill in self-defense. >> Sometimes people kill in self-defense. >> Sometimes people kill in self-defense. It's justified. It's justified. It's justified. So, I want to get back to the evening So, I want to get back to the evening So, I want to get back to the evening and the friend um as we're going through and the friend um as we're going through and the friend um as we're going through what happened to get to the point of what happened to get to the point of what happened to get to the point of getting her to the hospital. So, as you getting her to the hospital. So, as you getting her to the hospital. So, as you said, Jade's friend, Nijia Jackson, and said, Jade's friend, Nijia Jackson, and said, Jade's friend, Nijia Jackson, and one of Naya's friends picked up some one of Naya's friends picked up some one of Naya's friends picked up some food from Jade's apartment that night, food from Jade's apartment that night, food from Jade's apartment that night, you know, for the painting and the you know, for the painting and the you know, for the painting and the decorating of the baby room. So, they decorating of the baby room. So, they decorating of the baby room. So, they stopped in for about a half hour from stopped in for about a half hour from stopped in for about a half hour from 7:30 to 8:00 p.m. We're getting into the 7:30 to 8:00 p.m. We're getting into the 7:30 to 8:00 p.m. We're getting into the timeline now. And as you've already timeline now. And as you've already timeline now. And as you've already said, Beth, they noticed the drink, the said, Beth, they noticed the drink, the said, Beth, they noticed the drink, the pink drink. You know, he was painting pink drink. You know, he was painting pink drink. You know, he was painting something really dark and freaky. The something really dark and freaky. The something really dark and freaky. The black hole for the baby's room. I don't black hole for the baby's room. I don't black hole for the baby's room. I don't think so. Um, so, you know, they they go think so. Um, so, you know, they they go think so. Um, so, you know, they they go through, you know, they're still through, you know, they're still through, you know, they're still painting. She's taking pictures. He's painting. She's taking pictures. He's painting. She's taking pictures. He's taking pictures. And she's sending them.

taking pictures. And she's sending them. taking pictures. And she's sending them. The last message that she sent of any of The last message that she sent of any of The last message that she sent of any of these pictures was at 9:24 these pictures was at 9:24 these pictures was at 9:24 p.m. Also, I want to remind everyone, p.m. Also, I want to remind everyone, p.m. Also, I want to remind everyone, you know how we're saying that the you know how we're saying that the you know how we're saying that the prosecution said, well, he was prosecution said, well, he was prosecution said, well, he was interested in another woman and he was interested in another woman and he was interested in another woman and he was trying to develop that relationship. Um, trying to develop that relationship. Um, trying to develop that relationship. Um, one of the things that the prosecutors one of the things that the prosecutors one of the things that the prosecutors pointed to was that he told that other pointed to was that he told that other pointed to was that he told that other woman that everything will be fine going woman that everything will be fine going woman that everything will be fine going forward. And so prosecutors looked at forward. And so prosecutors looked at forward. And so prosecutors looked at that that that as how's it gonna be fine? I'm getting as how's it gonna be fine? I'm getting as how's it gonna be fine? I'm getting rid of the baby. rid of the baby. rid of the baby. >> Yep. Yep. Absolutely. And who knows? Uh >> Yep. Yep. Absolutely. And who knows? Uh >> Yep. Yep. Absolutely. And who knows? Uh I don't know if this new woman knew that I don't know if this new woman knew that I don't know if this new woman knew that um there was this pregnancy, this baby um there was this pregnancy, this baby um there was this pregnancy, this baby coming in a few months and that might coming in a few months and that might coming in a few months and that might have been a dealbreaker for her. Who have been a dealbreaker for her. Who have been a dealbreaker for her. Who knows? So um she didn't want him maybe knows? So um she didn't want him maybe knows? So um she didn't want him maybe the new girlfriend didn't want him tied the new girlfriend didn't want him tied the new girlfriend didn't want him tied to another woman through this baby. So to another woman through this baby. So to another woman through this baby. So yeah, everything's going to be fine. yeah, everything's going to be fine. yeah, everything's going to be fine. Scott Peterson did the same thing with Scott Peterson did the same thing with Scott Peterson did the same thing with his girlfriend Amber Fry. his girlfriend Amber Fry. his girlfriend Amber Fry. >> Oh, I love for those of you listening, >> Oh, I love for those of you listening, >> Oh, I love for those of you listening, Beth just gave one of those hands, a Beth just gave one of those hands, a Beth just gave one of those hands, a hands of disgust and dismissal.

hands of disgust and dismissal. hands of disgust and dismissal. >> No, but he I I I hearken back to Scott >> No, but he I I I hearken back to Scott >> No, but he I I I hearken back to Scott Peterson because it's back in the news Peterson because it's back in the news Peterson because it's back in the news and people are trying to establish that and people are trying to establish that and people are trying to establish that he's innocent. He's not innocent, but he he's innocent. He's not innocent, but he he's innocent. He's not innocent, but he kills his he kills his pregnant wife on kills his he kills his pregnant wife on kills his he kills his pregnant wife on Christmas Eve during the day. But weeks Christmas Eve during the day. But weeks Christmas Eve during the day. But weeks before, December 9th, couple weeks before, December 9th, couple weeks before, December 9th, couple weeks before, he told his mistress before, he told his mistress before, he told his mistress that this is going to be the he just that this is going to be the he just that this is going to be the he just lost his wife and this is going to be lost his wife and this is going to be lost his wife and this is going to be the first Christmas without her. She the first Christmas without her. She the first Christmas without her. She doesn't know he's still married. She doesn't know he's still married. She doesn't know he's still married. She thought he was a widowerower. So, he's thought he was a widowerower. So, he's thought he was a widowerower. So, he's he's kind of he's kind of he's kind of >> this will be my first Christmas without >> this will be my first Christmas without >> this will be my first Christmas without her. Um her. Um her. Um >> Oh my goodness. I know what people just >> Oh my goodness. I know what people just >> Oh my goodness. I know what people just don't think. People just don't think. don't think. People just don't think. don't think. People just don't think. Honestly. Honestly. Um, now what I find Honestly. Honestly. Um, now what I find Honestly. Honestly. Um, now what I find interesting is, you know, as you've interesting is, you know, as you've interesting is, you know, as you've already said, there was that call to the already said, there was that call to the already said, there was that call to the friend who was at the apartment and she friend who was at the apartment and she friend who was at the apartment and she overheard very clearly, very clearly overheard very clearly, very clearly overheard very clearly, very clearly Jade saying, "What did you put in my Jade saying, "What did you put in my Jade saying, "What did you put in my drink? I knew it tasted funny. You know, drink? I knew it tasted funny. You know, drink? I knew it tasted funny. You know, you're trying to do something to the you're trying to do something to the you're trying to do something to the baby." So, she was already even as she's baby." So, she was already even as she's baby." So, she was already even as she's deteriorating, right? So, so we have deteriorating, right? So, so we have deteriorating, right? So, so we have this which was, you know, I'll never this which was, you know, I'll never this which was, you know, I'll never know. Will we know whether she called know. Will we know whether she called know. Will we know whether she called her, you know, so she could hear and her, you know, so she could hear and her, you know, so she could hear and bear witness? Was it a butt dial? I I bear witness? Was it a butt dial? I I bear witness? Was it a butt dial? I I just like, you know, just like, you know, just like, you know, >> Good point. That's a good point. I I I >> Good point. That's a good point. I I I >> Good point. That's a good point. I I I was thinking it was so she could bear was thinking it was so she could bear was thinking it was so she could bear witness. Uh maybe it was a lucky, witness. Uh maybe it was a lucky, witness. Uh maybe it was a lucky, perfectly timed butt dial, but I suspect perfectly timed butt dial, but I suspect perfectly timed butt dial, but I suspect she she she dialed it. Although he she she she dialed it. Although he she she she dialed it. Although he didn't know about the call, right? He

didn't know about the call, right? He didn't know about the call, right? He didn't know. I don't think so. He didn't know. I don't think so. He didn't know. I don't think so. He probably would have lost it. probably would have lost it. probably would have lost it. >> He would have he might have hung up the >> He would have he might have hung up the >> He would have he might have hung up the phone if he knew. phone if he knew. phone if he knew. >> Right. Right. So, you know, she could >> Right. Right. So, you know, she could >> Right. Right. So, you know, she could have done it surreptitiously. Um but I have done it surreptitiously. Um but I have done it surreptitiously. Um but I think think think or I mean if she could have also or I mean if she could have also or I mean if she could have also screamed at her friend, it would not screamed at her friend, it would not screamed at her friend, it would not have changed the outcome by any means. have changed the outcome by any means. have changed the outcome by any means. It would not have I don't believe it It would not have I don't believe it It would not have I don't believe it would have changed the out because we're would have changed the out because we're would have changed the out because we're talking about minutes here. Minutes. talking about minutes here. Minutes. talking about minutes here. Minutes. We're not talking about hours and days. We're not talking about hours and days. We're not talking about hours and days. So, at 9:38 p.m., Bla1 calls 911 and he So, at 9:38 p.m., Bla1 calls 911 and he So, at 9:38 p.m., Bla1 calls 911 and he says Jade is having an allergic reaction says Jade is having an allergic reaction says Jade is having an allergic reaction and they're pressing him for details and and they're pressing him for details and and they're pressing him for details and he and he doesn't know. The other thing he and he doesn't know. The other thing he and he doesn't know. The other thing that's interesting is he claimed not to that's interesting is he claimed not to that's interesting is he claimed not to know Jade's age. Like, they're asking know Jade's age. Like, they're asking know Jade's age. Like, they're asking very basic questions. Sadly, those of us very basic questions. Sadly, those of us very basic questions. Sadly, those of us who have had to call 911 for a loved who have had to call 911 for a loved who have had to call 911 for a loved one, you know, generally you know one, you know, generally you know one, you know, generally you know everything because you got to get this everything because you got to get this everything because you got to get this person help immediately. He doesn't person help immediately. He doesn't person help immediately. He doesn't really know the address. Now, I can really know the address. Now, I can really know the address. Now, I can understand you may not know the exact understand you may not know the exact understand you may not know the exact address, but you'll be like, I'm I'm in address, but you'll be like, I'm I'm in address, but you'll be like, I'm I'm in blah blah blah, right?

blah blah blah, right? blah blah blah, right? >> Yes. And curiously, I listened to that >> Yes. And curiously, I listened to that >> Yes. And curiously, I listened to that 911 call. I don't think he told the 911 call. I don't think he told the 911 call. I don't think he told the dispatcher that she was pregnant. dispatcher that she was pregnant. dispatcher that she was pregnant. >> You would lead with that. >> You would lead with that. >> You would lead with that. >> I would think, please get here quickly. >> I would think, please get here quickly. >> I would think, please get here quickly. She's she's 5 months pregnant. You know, She's she's 5 months pregnant. You know, She's she's 5 months pregnant. You know, like if mom's in distress, baby's in like if mom's in distress, baby's in like if mom's in distress, baby's in distress. How did he leave that out? distress. How did he leave that out? distress. How did he leave that out? She was showing. I mean, the photo I She was showing. I mean, the photo I She was showing. I mean, the photo I mean some some women at 5 months it's mean some some women at 5 months it's mean some some women at 5 months it's still they're still kind of, you know, still they're still kind of, you know, still they're still kind of, you know, not showing too much. She was definitely not showing too much. She was definitely not showing too much. She was definitely showing at 5 months, right? We've seen showing at 5 months, right? We've seen showing at 5 months, right? We've seen the pictures. the pictures. the pictures. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You could tell it's not you're not going >> You could tell it's not you're not going >> You could tell it's not you're not going to mistake her, you know, and say, "Oh, to mistake her, you know, and say, "Oh, to mistake her, you know, and say, "Oh, that one got by me. I couldn't tell she that one got by me. I couldn't tell she that one got by me. I couldn't tell she was pregnant." No, she was pregnant. I was pregnant." No, she was pregnant. I was pregnant." No, she was pregnant. I don't I don't understand why. I mean, he don't I don't understand why. I mean, he don't I don't understand why. I mean, he said the EMT would know once they got said the EMT would know once they got said the EMT would know once they got there, but why didn't he mention that? I there, but why didn't he mention that? I there, but why didn't he mention that? I think that omission was curious. think that omission was curious. think that omission was curious. >> A lot of things are curious about this >> A lot of things are curious about this >> A lot of things are curious about this case and that man, you know, um it's case and that man, you know, um it's case and that man, you know, um it's interesting when interesting when interesting when the dispatch is asking, well, does she the dispatch is asking, well, does she the dispatch is asking, well, does she have an EpiPen? He he has no idea. So have an EpiPen? He he has no idea. So have an EpiPen? He he has no idea. So he, this is the interpretation certainly he, this is the interpretation certainly he, this is the interpretation certainly by the prosecution is that he fains by the prosecution is that he fains by the prosecution is that he fains asking, asking, asking, you know, Jade, do you have an EpiPen you know, Jade, do you have an EpiPen you know, Jade, do you have an EpiPen kind of thing as if she might respond, kind of thing as if she might respond, kind of thing as if she might respond, which of course she can't respond at which of course she can't respond at which of course she can't respond at this point because by the time they get this point because by the time they get this point because by the time they get there, um, you know, they can't even there, um, you know, they can't even there, um, you know, they can't even find a pulse. So that's interesting. I find a pulse. So that's interesting. I find a pulse. So that's interesting. I think that she her she might have had a

think that she her she might have had a think that she her she might have had a very slowed down metabolism at that very slowed down metabolism at that very slowed down metabolism at that point because I thought one of the point because I thought one of the point because I thought one of the nurses testified that nurses testified that nurses testified that when they did find a pulse cuz you know when they did find a pulse cuz you know when they did find a pulse cuz you know she's on life support for days so she's she's on life support for days so she's she's on life support for days so she's still alive. Um she she was snore it still alive. Um she she was snore it still alive. Um she she was snore it sounded like she was snoring. That is sounded like she was snoring. That is sounded like she was snoring. That is apparently what can happen when you have apparently what can happen when you have apparently what can happen when you have a fentinel overdose too cuz you're so a fentinel overdose too cuz you're so a fentinel overdose too cuz you're so deep under not cocaine but fentinel but deep under not cocaine but fentinel but deep under not cocaine but fentinel but there was some fentinel mixed in with there was some fentinel mixed in with there was some fentinel mixed in with the cocaine. So the cocaine. So the cocaine. So >> for good measure to make sure that the >> for good measure to make sure that the >> for good measure to make sure that the poisoning works. How did you What did poisoning works. How did you What did poisoning works. How did you What did you think was going to happen? Nothing you think was going to happen? Nothing you think was going to happen? Nothing good was going to come of this. Nothing. good was going to come of this. Nothing. good was going to come of this. Nothing. I just I just I don't understand. I I I I just I just I don't understand. I I I I just I just I don't understand. I I I suspect he fully wanted to kill the suspect he fully wanted to kill the suspect he fully wanted to kill the baby, not sure about Jade, and that he baby, not sure about Jade, and that he baby, not sure about Jade, and that he completely like freaked out once once completely like freaked out once once completely like freaked out once once she starts dying in front of him. He she starts dying in front of him. He she starts dying in front of him. He doesn't know what to do. He's like, doesn't know what to do. He's like, doesn't know what to do. He's like, "Okay, I really messed up this time."

"Okay, I really messed up this time." "Okay, I really messed up this time." So, he's where he belongs. I mean, he's So, he's where he belongs. I mean, he's So, he's where he belongs. I mean, he's locked up now awaiting center saying he locked up now awaiting center saying he locked up now awaiting center saying he should and probably will never be free. should and probably will never be free. should and probably will never be free. We're talking Tennessee. They're no joke We're talking Tennessee. They're no joke We're talking Tennessee. They're no joke in Tennessee. Um, and uh, he'd be 81 in Tennessee. Um, and uh, he'd be 81 in Tennessee. Um, and uh, he'd be 81 years old if he's 30 now, 81 years old years old if he's 30 now, 81 years old years old if he's 30 now, 81 years old when he's eligible for for parole if he when he's eligible for for parole if he when he's eligible for for parole if he gets no more time on stacked on top of gets no more time on stacked on top of gets no more time on stacked on top of it, and I suspect he will. So, he will it, and I suspect he will. So, he will it, and I suspect he will. So, he will never be free unless he wins on appeal. never be free unless he wins on appeal. never be free unless he wins on appeal. I don't see that happening in Tennessee. I don't see that happening in Tennessee. I don't see that happening in Tennessee. H H H Blaise did tell dispatch that Jade had Blaise did tell dispatch that Jade had Blaise did tell dispatch that Jade had thrown up and so the responders said to thrown up and so the responders said to thrown up and so the responders said to gently roll her on her side, wipe her gently roll her on her side, wipe her gently roll her on her side, wipe her mouth to keep her from choking. And when mouth to keep her from choking. And when mouth to keep her from choking. And when the paramedics got there, they did see the paramedics got there, they did see the paramedics got there, they did see um her vomit was a pink tone like with um her vomit was a pink tone like with um her vomit was a pink tone like with those, you know, pink lemonades. So those, you know, pink lemonades. So those, you know, pink lemonades. So there was some consistency there. So there was some consistency there. So there was some consistency there. So Jade is taken to Vanderbilt University Jade is taken to Vanderbilt University Jade is taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Two days later, baby Ivy Medical Center. Two days later, baby Ivy Medical Center. Two days later, baby Ivy passes.

passes. passes. Now they still tried to save Jade's Now they still tried to save Jade's Now they still tried to save Jade's life, but life, but life, but the poisoning was too much. So she the poisoning was too much. So she the poisoning was too much. So she finally died about a week later, March finally died about a week later, March finally died about a week later, March 6, and it was her 25th birthday is the 6, and it was her 25th birthday is the 6, and it was her 25th birthday is the day she passed. day she passed. day she passed. >> She was taken off life support. I >> She was taken off life support. I >> She was taken off life support. I suspect the family said, "Okay, let's, suspect the family said, "Okay, let's, suspect the family said, "Okay, let's, you know, do it on, you know, on this, you know, do it on, you know, on this, you know, do it on, you know, on this, you know, milestone of a day." you know, milestone of a day." you know, milestone of a day." >> That's hard. It's on the day you came >> That's hard. It's on the day you came >> That's hard. It's on the day you came into this world and on the day that you into this world and on the day that you into this world and on the day that you left in such a short period of time on left in such a short period of time on left in such a short period of time on this earth. this earth. this earth. >> It's very sad. Very, very sad. >> It's very sad. Very, very sad. >> It's very sad. Very, very sad. Um, Um, Um, now as I mentioned, the police then, you now as I mentioned, the police then, you now as I mentioned, the police then, you know, after the baby dies, they go, they know, after the baby dies, they go, they know, after the baby dies, they go, they collect some bottles and drinks. And collect some bottles and drinks. And collect some bottles and drinks. And what I find interesting here, Beth, is what I find interesting here, Beth, is what I find interesting here, Beth, is that the investigation continued, but that the investigation continued, but that the investigation continued, but Blae Blae Blae was not arrested until about a year was not arrested until about a year was not arrested until about a year later.

later. later. >> Okay. So, and he had moved to Utah at >> Okay. So, and he had moved to Utah at >> Okay. So, and he had moved to Utah at that point. Was arrested in Utah. that point. Was arrested in Utah. that point. Was arrested in Utah. >> That also didn't surprise me. It takes a >> That also didn't surprise me. It takes a >> That also didn't surprise me. It takes a long time to um to do these long time to um to do these long time to um to do these investigations. They were keeping an eye investigations. They were keeping an eye investigations. They were keeping an eye on him. I'm sure they knew where he was. on him. I'm sure they knew where he was. on him. I'm sure they knew where he was. Uh they might have moved in, swooped in Uh they might have moved in, swooped in Uh they might have moved in, swooped in faster if it looked like he was going to faster if it looked like he was going to faster if it looked like he was going to leave the country when it's a lot harder leave the country when it's a lot harder leave the country when it's a lot harder to extradite somebody from uh from to extradite somebody from uh from to extradite somebody from uh from outside. Not impossible. We have outside. Not impossible. We have outside. Not impossible. We have treaties with a lot of countries, but treaties with a lot of countries, but treaties with a lot of countries, but some countries you cannot um bring you some countries you cannot um bring you some countries you cannot um bring you just you can't bring someone back. Um just you can't bring someone back. Um just you can't bring someone back. Um they had to really get all the evidence they had to really get all the evidence they had to really get all the evidence lined up. So talking to the friend with lined up. So talking to the friend with lined up. So talking to the friend with everything she overheard on the phone everything she overheard on the phone everything she overheard on the phone because it it wasn't recorded but it was because it it wasn't recorded but it was because it it wasn't recorded but it was burned in her brain because when she burned in her brain because when she burned in her brain because when she testified she's unimpeachable on the testified she's unimpeachable on the testified she's unimpeachable on the stand. stand. stand. >> Those statements coming out of Jade's >> Those statements coming out of Jade's >> Those statements coming out of Jade's mouth minutes before she those last mouth minutes before she those last mouth minutes before she those last words she ever spoke that we're aware words she ever spoke that we're aware words she ever spoke that we're aware of. Right. She goes basically of. Right. She goes basically of. Right. She goes basically unconscious on that call. those together unconscious on that call. those together unconscious on that call. those together with whatever lab tests they can run on with whatever lab tests they can run on with whatever lab tests they can run on I don't know the fetal remains on Jade's I don't know the fetal remains on Jade's I don't know the fetal remains on Jade's body whatever you know levels were in body whatever you know levels were in body whatever you know levels were in them on if the vomit was tested uh them on if the vomit was tested uh them on if the vomit was tested uh research into the background of Blae the research into the background of Blae the research into the background of Blae the former girlfriends you know in his life former girlfriends you know in his life former girlfriends you know in his life they track them down these women one of they track them down these women one of they track them down these women one of them then came forward when she heard them then came forward when she heard them then came forward when she heard what happened she's like oh no this is

what happened she's like oh no this is what happened she's like oh no this is he he wanted to create an abortion he he wanted to create an abortion he he wanted to create an abortion that's like a spontaneous abortion for that's like a spontaneous abortion for that's like a spontaneous abortion for another pregnant girlfriend, they did another pregnant girlfriend, they did another pregnant girlfriend, they did this. You know, that was her opinion. this. You know, that was her opinion. this. You know, that was her opinion. So, it just takes a while to um to just So, it just takes a while to um to just So, it just takes a while to um to just line everything up and track people down line everything up and track people down line everything up and track people down and, you know, get get people into the and, you know, get get people into the and, you know, get get people into the grand jury or however you're preserving grand jury or however you're preserving grand jury or however you're preserving their testimony and then, you know, their testimony and then, you know, their testimony and then, you know, present the evidence and get the present the evidence and get the present the evidence and get the indictment. And the indictment can serve indictment. And the indictment can serve indictment. And the indictment can serve as an arrest warrant if you get that as an arrest warrant if you get that as an arrest warrant if you get that first. If you make the arrest first and first. If you make the arrest first and first. If you make the arrest first and you give a defendant usually the right you give a defendant usually the right you give a defendant usually the right to testify in the grand jury if they to testify in the grand jury if they to testify in the grand jury if they want to. I've had a handful of want to. I've had a handful of want to. I've had a handful of defendants testify in the grand jury, defendants testify in the grand jury, defendants testify in the grand jury, but most of the time they don't. And um but most of the time they don't. And um but most of the time they don't. And um then you move forward. So it just takes then you move forward. So it just takes then you move forward. So it just takes a while and you know no detective is a while and you know no detective is a while and you know no detective is working solely on this case and working solely on this case and working solely on this case and >> no I understand but it it was a year and >> no I understand but it it was a year and >> no I understand but it it was a year and you know that was a a decent amount of you know that was a a decent amount of you know that was a a decent amount of time for this investigation and I get time for this investigation and I get time for this investigation and I get it. They have to be thorough for the it. They have to be thorough for the it. They have to be thorough for the prosecution. uh one of his former prosecution. uh one of his former prosecution. uh one of his former girlfriends, Apple Denny. girlfriends, Apple Denny. girlfriends, Apple Denny. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, she testified that she dated Bla1 >> So, she testified that she dated Bla1 >> So, she testified that she dated Bla1 while they attended um university while they attended um university while they attended um university together. And while they dated, she together. And while they dated, she together. And while they dated, she became pregnant and because they were in became pregnant and because they were in became pregnant and because they were in college, um Apple decided she did not college, um Apple decided she did not college, um Apple decided she did not want this baby at this time. So, she did want this baby at this time. So, she did want this baby at this time. So, she did have an abortion and she said that was have an abortion and she said that was have an abortion and she said that was to blazes relief. Um she said that he to blazes relief. Um she said that he to blazes relief. Um she said that he attended the two visits to the clinic attended the two visits to the clinic attended the two visits to the clinic with her so to some degree was with her so to some degree was with her so to some degree was supportive. Now um this is what's

supportive. Now um this is what's supportive. Now um this is what's interesting. She testified that Bla1 interesting. She testified that Bla1 interesting. She testified that Bla1 contacted her Apple in a panic about contacted her Apple in a panic about contacted her Apple in a panic about another woman he got pregnant. Okay, so another woman he got pregnant. Okay, so another woman he got pregnant. Okay, so this would be now in his history number this would be now in his history number this would be now in his history number two. two. two. and uh she testified that he searched in and uh she testified that he searched in and uh she testified that he searched in his phone for ways to induce a his phone for ways to induce a his phone for ways to induce a miscarriage or an abortion. And then the miscarriage or an abortion. And then the miscarriage or an abortion. And then the most damning of the testimony, Apple most damning of the testimony, Apple most damning of the testimony, Apple testified that Bla1 asked her to obtain testified that Bla1 asked her to obtain testified that Bla1 asked her to obtain abortion pills and so he could abortion pills and so he could abortion pills and so he could surreptitiously sip, you know, put it surreptitiously sip, you know, put it surreptitiously sip, you know, put it into the woman's drink and that she into the woman's drink and that she into the woman's drink and that she refused. She refused to do that. But refused. She refused to do that. But refused. She refused to do that. But Apple said what she did agree to do was Apple said what she did agree to do was Apple said what she did agree to do was pose as a pregnant woman to try and get pose as a pregnant woman to try and get pose as a pregnant woman to try and get an appointment at an abortion clinic. an appointment at an abortion clinic. an appointment at an abortion clinic. And Blae was certain that he could get And Blae was certain that he could get And Blae was certain that he could get the woman to agree to the abortion by the woman to agree to the abortion by the woman to agree to the abortion by the time the appointment came up. So, I the time the appointment came up. So, I the time the appointment came up. So, I I found this interesting cuz, you know, I found this interesting cuz, you know, I found this interesting cuz, you know, there's this argument all the time in there's this argument all the time in there's this argument all the time in cases about what evidence you could cases about what evidence you could cases about what evidence you could bring in from previous bring in from previous bring in from previous things that you are alleged to have done things that you are alleged to have done things that you are alleged to have done that once you hear that, you know, that once you hear that, you know, that once you hear that, you know, jurors are going to be like, well, he's jurors are going to be like, well, he's jurors are going to be like, well, he's tried this twice before or something. Do tried this twice before or something. Do tried this twice before or something. Do you see what I'm saying?

you see what I'm saying? you see what I'm saying? >> Yeah. You're talking about this concept >> Yeah. You're talking about this concept >> Yeah. You're talking about this concept of prior bad acts and some states will of prior bad acts and some states will of prior bad acts and some states will call them different things, but they're call them different things, but they're call them different things, but they're prior bad acts. It's 1101b evidence prior bad acts. It's 1101b evidence prior bad acts. It's 1101b evidence under California law, but this was under California law, but this was under California law, but this was Tennessee. I don't know what the code is Tennessee. I don't know what the code is Tennessee. I don't know what the code is in Tennessee. Um, and that is the judge in Tennessee. Um, and that is the judge in Tennessee. Um, and that is the judge will do a probitative versus prejuditial will do a probitative versus prejuditial will do a probitative versus prejuditial weighing of the evidence. How probative weighing of the evidence. How probative weighing of the evidence. How probative is this to the to the factual issues the is this to the to the factual issues the is this to the to the factual issues the jury must decide versus how prejuditial jury must decide versus how prejuditial jury must decide versus how prejuditial is it going to be? I've had judges in is it going to be? I've had judges in is it going to be? I've had judges in much less serious cases where a person much less serious cases where a person much less serious cases where a person was an expert at, I don't know, was an expert at, I don't know, was an expert at, I don't know, shoplifting and had a record as long as shoplifting and had a record as long as shoplifting and had a record as long as I am tall of it and the judge is like, I am tall of it and the judge is like, I am tall of it and the judge is like, "Yeah, I'm not going to let that prior "Yeah, I'm not going to let that prior "Yeah, I'm not going to let that prior history in." And I say, "But judge, he's history in." And I say, "But judge, he's history in." And I say, "But judge, he's an expert at it. He's perfected how to an expert at it. He's perfected how to an expert at it. He's perfected how to do it. Why can't the jury learn that?" do it. Why can't the jury learn that?" do it. Why can't the jury learn that?" So, you're just too prejudicial. Got to So, you're just too prejudicial. Got to So, you're just too prejudicial. Got to decide this case based on just your decide this case based on just your decide this case based on just your facts and not his history. So judges facts and not his history. So judges facts and not his history. So judges will do this this this weighing but it will do this this this weighing but it will do this this this weighing but it is goes right to the heart of the issues is goes right to the heart of the issues is goes right to the heart of the issues here of like what what his intent was here of like what what his intent was here of like what what his intent was right right right >> that's really was really critical to uh >> that's really was really critical to uh >> that's really was really critical to uh and as long as it's not that long ago it and as long as it's not that long ago it and as long as it's not that long ago it can't be something maybe 20 years ago can't be something maybe 20 years ago can't be something maybe 20 years ago although we have seen a woman pushed although we have seen a woman pushed although we have seen a woman pushed down the stairs in Michael Peterson's down the stairs in Michael Peterson's down the stairs in Michael Peterson's case 20 years 18 years earlier that came case 20 years 18 years earlier that came case 20 years 18 years earlier that came into evidence but um because he He he into evidence but um because he He he into evidence but um because he He he was convicted of killing his wife but was convicted of killing his wife but was convicted of killing his wife but pushing her down the stairs. Uh or he pushing her down the stairs. Uh or he pushing her down the stairs. Uh or he claimed she fell down the stairs. I claimed she fell down the stairs. I claimed she fell down the stairs. I digress. Um but I think these acts were digress. Um but I think these acts were digress. Um but I think these acts were not that

not that not that long before and the judge said, "Yeah, long before and the judge said, "Yeah, long before and the judge said, "Yeah, no, they're relevant. They are no, they're relevant. They are no, they're relevant. They are probitative to the facts in this case probitative to the facts in this case probitative to the facts in this case and and what the jury has to determine." and and what the jury has to determine." and and what the jury has to determine." And I think that it was critical that And I think that it was critical that And I think that it was critical that the jury heard that history plus the the jury heard that history plus the the jury heard that history plus the statements out of Jade's mouth. statements out of Jade's mouth. statements out of Jade's mouth. >> Right. I I wonder whether they would >> Right. I I wonder whether they would >> Right. I I wonder whether they would have convicted on firstdegree have convicted on firstdegree have convicted on firstdegree had they not heard that history. had they not heard that history. had they not heard that history. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> The Right. >> The Right. >> The Right. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> That was very important to that >> That was very important to that >> That was very important to that prosecution. prosecution. prosecution. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, Beth, as you said, um his fate >> Yeah. So, Beth, as you said, um his fate >> Yeah. So, Beth, as you said, um his fate will be decided on September 9th. I will be decided on September 9th. I will be decided on September 9th. I don't know whether he will make a don't know whether he will make a don't know whether he will make a statement or apologize or anything. Uh I statement or apologize or anything. Uh I statement or apologize or anything. Uh I I say this all the time, you know, truly I say this all the time, you know, truly I say this all the time, you know, truly truly feeling sorry for what you've done truly feeling sorry for what you've done truly feeling sorry for what you've done and expressing that and apologizing. It and expressing that and apologizing. It and expressing that and apologizing. It does not erase anything by any means, does not erase anything by any means, does not erase anything by any means, but it, you know, it does judges can but it, you know, it does judges can but it, you know, it does judges can tell if you're truly truly remorseful.

tell if you're truly truly remorseful. tell if you're truly truly remorseful. And so the ones who just stand there and And so the ones who just stand there and And so the ones who just stand there and are like, "Yeah, whatever." You know, You know, >> now I agree with you. However, if his >> now I agree with you. However, if his >> now I agree with you. However, if his lawyers feel he has a good shot at lawyers feel he has a good shot at lawyers feel he has a good shot at appeal, they may just say, "Keep your appeal, they may just say, "Keep your appeal, they may just say, "Keep your mouth shut because we don't need you mouth shut because we don't need you mouth shut because we don't need you making any admissions about what what making any admissions about what what making any admissions about what what you did if if we're going to uh get you did if if we're going to uh get you did if if we're going to uh get another shot at this." So, I don't know. another shot at this." So, I don't know. another shot at this." So, I don't know. I'm not sure. I never was a defense I'm not sure. I never was a defense I'm not sure. I never was a defense attorney, but it's possible he's just attorney, but it's possible he's just attorney, but it's possible he's just taking his lawyer's advice. But I would taking his lawyer's advice. But I would taking his lawyer's advice. But I would agree with you when um well when agree with you when um well when agree with you when um well when sometimes when you get when you take a sometimes when you get when you take a sometimes when you get when you take a plea in lie of a trial like Brian plea in lie of a trial like Brian plea in lie of a trial like Brian Coberger in in Idaho he he took a plea Coberger in in Idaho he he took a plea Coberger in in Idaho he he took a plea for killing those four students at the for killing those four students at the for killing those four students at the University of uh Idaho. He waved his University of uh Idaho. He waved his University of uh Idaho. He waved his appeal. Then you want to see some appeal. Then you want to see some appeal. Then you want to see some remorse because he's he agreed that he's remorse because he's he agreed that he's remorse because he's he agreed that he's not ever going to appeal. So now let's not ever going to appeal. So now let's not ever going to appeal. So now let's see some humanity here. But he didn't do see some humanity here. But he didn't do see some humanity here. But he didn't do that. that. that. >> Nope. No humanity. No. No. has been >> Nope. No humanity. No. No. has been >> Nope. No humanity. No. No. has been morally and legally challenging for me morally and legally challenging for me morally and legally challenging for me um because of all of the complications um because of all of the complications um because of all of the complications here. It's here. It's here. It's at the end of the day, you have a young at the end of the day, you have a young at the end of the day, you have a young mother and a baby and for what? This mother and a baby and for what? This mother and a baby and for what? This didn't have to be. This didn't have to didn't have to be. This didn't have to didn't have to be. This didn't have to be be be >> didn't have to be.

>> didn't have to be. >> didn't have to be. >> No. It is time for our comment section. >> No. It is time for our comment section. >> No. It is time for our comment section. These are the crime cases you all are These are the crime cases you all are These are the crime cases you all are talking about on social media. And talking about on social media. And talking about on social media. And here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, Will. Will. Will. >> Hey, Anna. How's it going? >> Hey, Anna. How's it going? >> Hey, Anna. How's it going? >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. Good to see you, Beth. Good to see you, Beth. Good to see you, Beth. >> Nice to see you, too, Will. >> Nice to see you, too, Will. >> Nice to see you, too, Will. >> Uh, now, normally, no one really knows >> Uh, now, normally, no one really knows >> Uh, now, normally, no one really knows what's going to come up in this case. I what's going to come up in this case. I what's going to come up in this case. I kind of keep it a surprise, but Anna kind of keep it a surprise, but Anna kind of keep it a surprise, but Anna actually sent me this one. So, uh, yeah. actually sent me this one. So, uh, yeah. actually sent me this one. So, uh, yeah. >> Is it the penis one? >> Is it the penis one? >> Is it the penis one? >> It is. Oh my god. Uh, yeah. I'm calling >> It is. Oh my god. Uh, yeah. I'm calling >> It is. Oh my god. Uh, yeah. I'm calling this one a ridiculous case of arson. this one a ridiculous case of arson. this one a ridiculous case of arson. This case comes out of Fort Wayne, This case comes out of Fort Wayne, This case comes out of Fort Wayne, Indiana, where a man is facing a felony Indiana, where a man is facing a felony Indiana, where a man is facing a felony charge after allegedly lobbing off his charge after allegedly lobbing off his charge after allegedly lobbing off his own genitals and using the removed flesh own genitals and using the removed flesh own genitals and using the removed flesh to ignite a fire in a garage. Yeah, wild to ignite a fire in a garage. Yeah, wild to ignite a fire in a garage. Yeah, wild one. It's When Anna sent me this one, it one. It's When Anna sent me this one, it one. It's When Anna sent me this one, it was like a combination of words I was like a combination of words I was like a combination of words I thought I'd never hear in my life. I thought I'd never hear in my life. I thought I'd never hear in my life. I wish I hadn't. Uh, but here we are. Uh, wish I hadn't. Uh, but here we are. Uh, wish I hadn't. Uh, but here we are. Uh, so the details on this case are a little so the details on this case are a little so the details on this case are a little short, but I'll give you what we know so short, but I'll give you what we know so short, but I'll give you what we know so far. According far. According far. According >> a little short, go on. >> a little short, go on. >> a little short, go on. According to police, this incident According to police, this incident According to police, this incident unfolded on May 6th uh when the Fort unfolded on May 6th uh when the Fort unfolded on May 6th uh when the Fort Wayne Fire Department investigated a Wayne Fire Department investigated a Wayne Fire Department investigated a fire in a detached garage from a fire in a detached garage from a fire in a detached garage from a residence. Now, at the same time that uh residence. Now, at the same time that uh residence. Now, at the same time that uh fire department department workers are fire department department workers are fire department department workers are responding to this fire, police are responding to this fire, police are responding to this fire, police are responding to a report of a stabbing.

responding to a report of a stabbing. responding to a report of a stabbing. And this is all going to come together And this is all going to come together And this is all going to come together here later, but when fire department here later, but when fire department here later, but when fire department responders arrived on the scene, the responders arrived on the scene, the responders arrived on the scene, the property owners claimed that a neighbor property owners claimed that a neighbor property owners claimed that a neighbor woke them up to warn them about this woke them up to warn them about this woke them up to warn them about this blaze in the garage. While they were blaze in the garage. While they were blaze in the garage. While they were talking to the fire department, the talking to the fire department, the talking to the fire department, the family that lived at the home noticed family that lived at the home noticed family that lived at the home noticed that a member of the family, Christopher that a member of the family, Christopher that a member of the family, Christopher Pedin, was missing, though they didn't Pedin, was missing, though they didn't Pedin, was missing, though they didn't yet know that he was missing a member of yet know that he was missing a member of yet know that he was missing a member of his own. So, as this fire investigation his own. So, as this fire investigation his own. So, as this fire investigation is unfolding, police are also attending is unfolding, police are also attending is unfolding, police are also attending to this purported stabbing victim, uh, to this purported stabbing victim, uh, to this purported stabbing victim, uh, and this was allegedly perpetrated on and this was allegedly perpetrated on and this was allegedly perpetrated on our defendant here, 36-year-old our defendant here, 36-year-old our defendant here, 36-year-old Christopher Pedin. Now, Christopher, Christopher Pedin. Now, Christopher, Christopher Pedin. Now, Christopher, he's badly injured. He's rushed to he's he's badly injured. He's rushed to he's he's badly injured. He's rushed to he's rushed to a hospital, and while in rushed to a hospital, and while in rushed to a hospital, and while in route, he's making these claims. He's route, he's making these claims. He's route, he's making these claims. He's saying that he was stabbed by someone in saying that he was stabbed by someone in saying that he was stabbed by someone in downtown Fort Wayne and he alleged that downtown Fort Wayne and he alleged that downtown Fort Wayne and he alleged that he had also been threatened by someone he had also been threatened by someone he had also been threatened by someone the day before. Now, all sounds very the day before. Now, all sounds very the day before. Now, all sounds very bad, especially if you you you know bad, especially if you you you know bad, especially if you you you know about what this injury he's suffering about what this injury he's suffering about what this injury he's suffering is. So, while he's being treated at the is. So, while he's being treated at the is. So, while he's being treated at the hospital, however, he eventually comes hospital, however, he eventually comes hospital, however, he eventually comes clean to officers admitting that he was clean to officers admitting that he was clean to officers admitting that he was dishonest about this whole stabbing dishonest about this whole stabbing dishonest about this whole stabbing thing and saying that he wanted to be thing and saying that he wanted to be thing and saying that he wanted to be truthful. And that's when this alleged truthful. And that's when this alleged truthful. And that's when this alleged stabbing and fire cross paths.

stabbing and fire cross paths. stabbing and fire cross paths. Christopher eventually tells the Christopher eventually tells the Christopher eventually tells the officers that he went into the garage at officers that he went into the garage at officers that he went into the garage at around 2:00 a.m. Uh, and according to around 2:00 a.m. Uh, and according to around 2:00 a.m. Uh, and according to court documents, little graphic here, he court documents, little graphic here, he court documents, little graphic here, he harmed himself by cutting off his own harmed himself by cutting off his own harmed himself by cutting off his own penis with a kitchen knife. Uh, and penis with a kitchen knife. Uh, and penis with a kitchen knife. Uh, and according to investigators, Christopher according to investigators, Christopher according to investigators, Christopher then admitted that he poured gasoline on then admitted that he poured gasoline on then admitted that he poured gasoline on the organ and set it on fire on the the organ and set it on fire on the the organ and set it on fire on the floor of the garage just inside the floor of the garage just inside the floor of the garage just inside the door. door. door. >> Craziness. >> Craziness. >> Craziness. >> After saying this blaze, what >> After saying this blaze, what >> After saying this blaze, what >> craziness? >> craziness? >> craziness? >> It's madness. It's madness. Uh, so he >> It's madness. It's madness. Uh, so he >> It's madness. It's madness. Uh, so he then walks away until police arrive. then walks away until police arrive. then walks away until police arrive. Now, court documents indicate that Now, court documents indicate that Now, court documents indicate that investigators collected evidence from investigators collected evidence from investigators collected evidence from this garage, including a kitchen knife, this garage, including a kitchen knife, this garage, including a kitchen knife, a red plastic gas container, and four a red plastic gas container, and four a red plastic gas container, and four lighters. So, the storyy's lining up lighters. So, the storyy's lining up lighters. So, the storyy's lining up here. We haven't heard anything about uh here. We haven't heard anything about uh here. We haven't heard anything about uh any, you know, human flesh discovered in any, you know, human flesh discovered in any, you know, human flesh discovered in this uh investigation. So, we we'll see this uh investigation. So, we we'll see this uh investigation. So, we we'll see what happens with that. Uh, now, what happens with that. Uh, now, what happens with that. Uh, now, Christopher has been charged with arson, Christopher has been charged with arson, Christopher has been charged with arson, which is a level four felony there in which is a level four felony there in which is a level four felony there in Indiana, and he's due in court for a Indiana, and he's due in court for a Indiana, and he's due in court for a hearing next week. Um, but this case is hearing next week. Um, but this case is hearing next week. Um, but this case is absolutely insane. I just want to lead absolutely insane. I just want to lead absolutely insane. I just want to lead in with this comment from COB 15 because in with this comment from COB 15 because in with this comment from COB 15 because I feel like we do get a lot of comments I feel like we do get a lot of comments I feel like we do get a lot of comments just in general in cases about sort of just in general in cases about sort of just in general in cases about sort of the insanity defense and how that whole the insanity defense and how that whole the insanity defense and how that whole thing goes. But COP 15 said, "Okay, I thing goes. But COP 15 said, "Okay, I thing goes. But COP 15 said, "Okay, I almost never believe when they throw almost never believe when they throw almost never believe when they throw around this mental health insanity around this mental health insanity around this mental health insanity defense, but this made me a believer. Go defense, but this made me a believer. Go defense, but this made me a believer. Go ahead and put him in a nice padded ahead and put him in a nice padded ahead and put him in a nice padded room." Which I think is ultimately where room." Which I think is ultimately where room." Which I think is ultimately where this whole thing is heading. Again, I I this whole thing is heading. Again, I I this whole thing is heading. Again, I I mean, a level four felony, Beth, do you mean, a level four felony, Beth, do you mean, a level four felony, Beth, do you have any idea like that can't be that have any idea like that can't be that have any idea like that can't be that much exposure year-wise, right?

much exposure year-wise, right? much exposure year-wise, right? >> Well, it I have to look at Indiana law >> Well, it I have to look at Indiana law >> Well, it I have to look at Indiana law because um in some states the higher the because um in some states the higher the because um in some states the higher the degree degree degree >> is the higher the felony. >> is the higher the felony. >> is the higher the felony. >> Murder in the first degree is the >> Murder in the first degree is the >> Murder in the first degree is the highest, right? So, level four, but in highest, right? So, level four, but in highest, right? So, level four, but in some states level four is not some states level four is not some states level four is not necessarily the degree. So, I'd have to necessarily the degree. So, I'd have to necessarily the degree. So, I'd have to look at it. That's pretty bad. He look at it. That's pretty bad. He look at it. That's pretty bad. He intentionally started a fire that burned intentionally started a fire that burned intentionally started a fire that burned a structure. So that's, you know, it's a a structure. So that's, you know, it's a a structure. So that's, you know, it's a felony. I'm sure it's not a misdemeanor, felony. I'm sure it's not a misdemeanor, felony. I'm sure it's not a misdemeanor, but I I'd have to look up and see what but I I'd have to look up and see what but I I'd have to look up and see what level four is. But I will tell you, level four is. But I will tell you, level four is. But I will tell you, you're on the right track about you're on the right track about you're on the right track about competency and insanity. I I don't know competency and insanity. I I don't know competency and insanity. I I don't know that that this guy will see a courtroom. that that this guy will see a courtroom. that that this guy will see a courtroom. However, the insanity defense is um However, the insanity defense is um However, the insanity defense is um doesn't exist in every state, but I doesn't exist in every state, but I doesn't exist in every state, but I believe Indiana has it. And it it puts a believe Indiana has it. And it it puts a believe Indiana has it. And it it puts a burden sometimes on the prosecution to burden sometimes on the prosecution to burden sometimes on the prosecution to prove uh sanity that someone isn't prove uh sanity that someone isn't prove uh sanity that someone isn't insane. And sometimes it puts the burden insane. And sometimes it puts the burden insane. And sometimes it puts the burden on the defense to prove insanity or on the defense to prove insanity or on the defense to prove insanity or disprove sanity. Um, so I I haven't, you disprove sanity. Um, so I I haven't, you disprove sanity. Um, so I I haven't, you know, this is on the fly, so I haven't know, this is on the fly, so I haven't know, this is on the fly, so I haven't had time to research this, but in the had time to research this, but in the had time to research this, but in the insanity defense insanity defense insanity defense goes to your state of mind at the time goes to your state of mind at the time goes to your state of mind at the time the crime happened. You would think that the crime happened. You would think that the crime happened. You would think that every man on this earth would think every man on this earth would think every man on this earth would think anybody who cuts off their own penis is anybody who cuts off their own penis is anybody who cuts off their own penis is not in the right state of mind, right?

not in the right state of mind, right? not in the right state of mind, right? But competency to stand trial is your But competency to stand trial is your But competency to stand trial is your whether you understand the proceedings whether you understand the proceedings whether you understand the proceedings and that's your state of mind at the and that's your state of mind at the and that's your state of mind at the time of trial. They both I mean you you time of trial. They both I mean you you time of trial. They both I mean you you just don't go to trial until you're just don't go to trial until you're just don't go to trial until you're competent to stand trial, right? You competent to stand trial, right? You competent to stand trial, right? You just stay incarcerated and and medicated just stay incarcerated and and medicated just stay incarcerated and and medicated until they can get you competent. until they can get you competent. until they can get you competent. I don't know if did he know right from I don't know if did he know right from I don't know if did he know right from wrong. Basically, you have to know right wrong. Basically, you have to know right wrong. Basically, you have to know right from if he knew right from wrong when he from if he knew right from wrong when he from if he knew right from wrong when he did this, that's not insanity. Or he did this, that's not insanity. Or he did this, that's not insanity. Or he knew it was wrong, but he he couldn't knew it was wrong, but he he couldn't knew it was wrong, but he he couldn't help himself. He couldn't conform his help himself. He couldn't conform his help himself. He couldn't conform his conduct to the law. I'd have to look and conduct to the law. I'd have to look and conduct to the law. I'd have to look and see exactly how Indiana defines it. It see exactly how Indiana defines it. It see exactly how Indiana defines it. It seems pretty insane, but it's a high bar seems pretty insane, but it's a high bar seems pretty insane, but it's a high bar to meet Ruben. It's a high bar. So, I to meet Ruben. It's a high bar. So, I to meet Ruben. It's a high bar. So, I don't know. don't know. don't know. >> He's getting there. I mean, he's >> He's getting there. I mean, he's >> He's getting there. I mean, he's definitely close. definitely close. definitely close. >> He's He's definitely ill. I mean, that's >> He's He's definitely ill. I mean, that's >> He's He's definitely ill. I mean, that's not right. It's not right to do that, not right. It's not right to do that, not right. It's not right to do that, right? Something's going on here. So, right? Something's going on here. So, right? Something's going on here. So, he's got some sort of mental he's got some sort of mental he's got some sort of mental >> I can't even imagine the level of pain >> I can't even imagine the level of pain >> I can't even imagine the level of pain and then after you have, you know, and then after you have, you know, and then after you have, you know, >> done this and then you set it on fire >> done this and then you set it on fire >> done this and then you set it on fire and you're bleeding and I Oh my god, and you're bleeding and I Oh my god, and you're bleeding and I Oh my god, what a mess.

what a mess. what a mess. >> You're talking about some major like >> You're talking about some major like >> You're talking about some major like sort of arteries and stuff there. I I sort of arteries and stuff there. I I sort of arteries and stuff there. I I believe I mean I would think there'd be believe I mean I would think there'd be believe I mean I would think there'd be very significant bleeding. I actually very significant bleeding. I actually very significant bleeding. I actually don't know how you would remain don't know how you would remain don't know how you would remain conscious through this whole thing. conscious through this whole thing. conscious through this whole thing. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> And I think with the insanity thing, >> And I think with the insanity thing, >> And I think with the insanity thing, obviously we're just reading this from a obviously we're just reading this from a obviously we're just reading this from a court document. we weren't on the scene court document. we weren't on the scene court document. we weren't on the scene or anything. So, it it's kind of unclear or anything. So, it it's kind of unclear or anything. So, it it's kind of unclear to me if like this idea of the stabbing to me if like this idea of the stabbing to me if like this idea of the stabbing and he was being threatened if maybe and he was being threatened if maybe and he was being threatened if maybe that goes to his mental state and he was that goes to his mental state and he was that goes to his mental state and he was really like super out of it or if he was really like super out of it or if he was really like super out of it or if he was conscious enough to sort of be trying to conscious enough to sort of be trying to conscious enough to sort of be trying to cover this up. You know what I mean? Cuz cover this up. You know what I mean? Cuz cover this up. You know what I mean? Cuz I think that that would make a huge I think that that would make a huge I think that that would make a huge difference in in in how they pursue this difference in in in how they pursue this difference in in in how they pursue this case. case. case. O, O, O, >> you know, to >> you know, to >> you know, to to prove insanity in some places, I to prove insanity in some places, I to prove insanity in some places, I mean, you have to be so like psychotic. mean, you have to be so like psychotic. mean, you have to be so like psychotic. You have to have a break with reality. You have to have a break with reality. You have to have a break with reality. You have to believe that the gun in your You have to believe that the gun in your You have to believe that the gun in your hand, you think actually it's a banana. hand, you think actually it's a banana. hand, you think actually it's a banana. I thought it was a banana, but it's a I thought it was a banana, but it's a I thought it was a banana, but it's a gun. You know, this fatal lethal weapon. gun. You know, this fatal lethal weapon. gun. You know, this fatal lethal weapon. I don't know what he thought he was I don't know what he thought he was I don't know what he thought he was cutting off. I don't know what was going cutting off. I don't know what was going cutting off. I don't know what was going through his mind. He's clearly not all through his mind. He's clearly not all through his mind. He's clearly not all there. And I think a court is going to there. And I think a court is going to there. And I think a court is going to take that into account. He doesn't take that into account. He doesn't take that into account. He doesn't necessarily belong in a in a prison necessarily belong in a in a prison necessarily belong in a in a prison cell. However, if he is going to start cell. However, if he is going to start cell. However, if he is going to start fires, he is a danger to everyone in his fires, he is a danger to everyone in his fires, he is a danger to everyone in his community if he's going around starting community if he's going around starting community if he's going around starting fires, even if it is with one of his fires, even if it is with one of his fires, even if it is with one of his body parts.

body parts. body parts. >> Well, he's clearly a danger to himself. >> Well, he's clearly a danger to himself. >> Well, he's clearly a danger to himself. >> Yes, that that's a standard when you're >> Yes, that that's a standard when you're >> Yes, that that's a standard when you're locking somebody up civily in order to locking somebody up civily in order to locking somebody up civily in order to release them, you have to either find release them, you have to either find release them, you have to either find they're competent, they can now go to they're competent, they can now go to they're competent, they can now go to trial, or they they are no longer a trial, or they they are no longer a trial, or they they are no longer a danger to themsel or a third person, and danger to themsel or a third person, and danger to themsel or a third person, and so they can be released. So, yeah, he's so they can be released. So, yeah, he's so they can be released. So, yeah, he's definitely a danger to himself, for definitely a danger to himself, for definitely a danger to himself, for sure. Yeah, I mean there's only so much sure. Yeah, I mean there's only so much sure. Yeah, I mean there's only so much he could cut off to keep starting these he could cut off to keep starting these he could cut off to keep starting these fires, so you know, it has to stop fires, so you know, it has to stop fires, so you know, it has to stop somewhere. Um, we got a we got a comment somewhere. Um, we got a we got a comment somewhere. Um, we got a we got a comment from a potential scientist here in the from a potential scientist here in the from a potential scientist here in the comments. Ken H said it sounds like he comments. Ken H said it sounds like he comments. Ken H said it sounds like he did the surgery for no reason. He had did the surgery for no reason. He had did the surgery for no reason. He had gasoline. The organ is mostly water and gasoline. The organ is mostly water and gasoline. The organ is mostly water and though it contains carbon would slow the though it contains carbon would slow the though it contains carbon would slow the combustion at first, which I like the combustion at first, which I like the combustion at first, which I like the analysis there. I thought there I mean, analysis there. I thought there I mean, analysis there. I thought there I mean, if you're going to start a fire, there if you're going to start a fire, there if you're going to start a fire, there has to be some sort of of better has to be some sort of of better has to be some sort of of better kindling. Like kindling. Like kindling. Like >> penis is not an accelerant, right? No. >> penis is not an accelerant, right? No. >> penis is not an accelerant, right? No. The penis has accelerant. The penis has accelerant. The penis has accelerant. >> A a decelerant based on that comment. >> A a decelerant based on that comment. >> A a decelerant based on that comment. >> Uh Kim M said, "I wonder what penal code >> Uh Kim M said, "I wonder what penal code >> Uh Kim M said, "I wonder what penal code violation this will fall under."

violation this will fall under." violation this will fall under." >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> Penile code. >> Penile code. >> Penile code. >> Uh Denise K said, "It takes balls to set >> Uh Denise K said, "It takes balls to set >> Uh Denise K said, "It takes balls to set a garage on fire." a garage on fire." a garage on fire." >> Pretty good. Pretty good. Uh, I'm going >> Pretty good. Pretty good. Uh, I'm going >> Pretty good. Pretty good. Uh, I'm going to end this one with a comment from Curt to end this one with a comment from Curt to end this one with a comment from Curt uh Curte One who said we roast which uh Curte One who said we roast which uh Curte One who said we roast which pretty pretty good going to ruin that pretty pretty good going to ruin that pretty pretty good going to ruin that going to ruin a little little h like going to ruin a little little h like going to ruin a little little h like campfire hot dog situation for me for a campfire hot dog situation for me for a campfire hot dog situation for me for a while but uh good comment good comment while but uh good comment good comment while but uh good comment good comment nonetheless but that'll do it for this nonetheless but that'll do it for this nonetheless but that'll do it for this uh portion of the comment section. Anna, uh portion of the comment section. Anna, uh portion of the comment section. Anna, did you have any comments you wanted to did you have any comments you wanted to did you have any comments you wanted to share from our wonderful uh listeners share from our wonderful uh listeners share from our wonderful uh listeners and viewers? and viewers? and viewers? >> Yes. Yes. This is uh from our last case. >> Yes. Yes. This is uh from our last case. >> Yes. Yes. This is uh from our last case. Uh we had a very special episode uh that Uh we had a very special episode uh that Uh we had a very special episode uh that we did on the podcast. my son Lorenzo we did on the podcast. my son Lorenzo we did on the podcast. my son Lorenzo joined us to have a what I call a joined us to have a what I call a joined us to have a what I call a crossgenerational conversation. Um, and crossgenerational conversation. Um, and crossgenerational conversation. Um, and it was about the McKenzie Sharilla case. it was about the McKenzie Sharilla case. it was about the McKenzie Sharilla case. You know, that teenager who drove her You know, that teenager who drove her You know, that teenager who drove her friends into a wall and they died and friends into a wall and they died and friends into a wall and they died and she's been convicted of murder. because she's been convicted of murder. because she's been convicted of murder. because you know so much has been made about you know so much has been made about you know so much has been made about that case and her Netflix documentary that case and her Netflix documentary that case and her Netflix documentary and all the videos that have come out and all the videos that have come out and all the videos that have come out and we all view things from different and we all view things from different and we all view things from different points of views based on our own points of views based on our own points of views based on our own generation. So we had a conversation generation. So we had a conversation generation. So we had a conversation with Lorenzo to try to explain to me and with Lorenzo to try to explain to me and with Lorenzo to try to explain to me and us you're like who is this woman and and us you're like who is this woman and and us you're like who is this woman and and how seriously should we take her social how seriously should we take her social how seriously should we take her social media posts? Anyway, um some of you had media posts? Anyway, um some of you had media posts? Anyway, um some of you had some great comments. Pip Skittles some great comments. Pip Skittles some great comments. Pip Skittles posted, "I have to say Lorenzo's posted, "I have to say Lorenzo's posted, "I have to say Lorenzo's perspective regarding whether she would perspective regarding whether she would perspective regarding whether she would be as picked apart if she was a man as

be as picked apart if she was a man as be as picked apart if she was a man as she was a woman was fascinating and one she was a woman was fascinating and one she was a woman was fascinating and one I hadn't thought about." So, I I just I hadn't thought about." So, I I just I hadn't thought about." So, I I just really thought that that was really thought that that was really thought that that was interesting. And then Kelly Finelo 6716 interesting. And then Kelly Finelo 6716 interesting. And then Kelly Finelo 6716 posts, "She is as guilty as they come. posts, "She is as guilty as they come. posts, "She is as guilty as they come. She acted on her own emotion and the She acted on her own emotion and the She acted on her own emotion and the outcome was murder. She was mad for some outcome was murder. She was mad for some outcome was murder. She was mad for some reason, but I don't think she expected reason, but I don't think she expected reason, but I don't think she expected to live. We're trying to figure out I to live. We're trying to figure out I to live. We're trying to figure out I mean, did she she survived and did she mean, did she she survived and did she mean, did she she survived and did she mean to kill herself as well? So, it was mean to kill herself as well? So, it was mean to kill herself as well? So, it was an interesting conversation. an interesting conversation. an interesting conversation. >> Yeah. Yeah, it definitely was. Check >> Yeah. Yeah, it definitely was. Check >> Yeah. Yeah, it definitely was. Check that out if you haven't yet. That's a that out if you haven't yet. That's a that out if you haven't yet. That's a such a wild case uh that I don't think such a wild case uh that I don't think such a wild case uh that I don't think we're going to hear the end of anytime we're going to hear the end of anytime we're going to hear the end of anytime soon. But that'll do it for this week's soon. But that'll do it for this week's soon. But that'll do it for this week's comment section. Want to thank everybody comment section. Want to thank everybody comment section. Want to thank everybody who sent those in. You can of course uh who sent those in. You can of course uh who sent those in. You can of course uh reach out to us on any YouTube video or reach out to us on any YouTube video or reach out to us on any YouTube video or we're across all social media at My True we're across all social media at My True we're across all social media at My True Crime News. But until next week, don't Crime News. But until next week, don't Crime News. But until next week, don't do crime. do crime. do crime. >> Beth, it has been such a pleasure uh >> Beth, it has been such a pleasure uh >> Beth, it has been such a pleasure uh having you on the podcast. This has been having you on the podcast. This has been having you on the podcast. This has been amazing. You're just so fascinating. amazing. You're just so fascinating. amazing. You're just so fascinating. You're like an encyclopedia of murder. You're like an encyclopedia of murder. You're like an encyclopedia of murder. >> Well, it has been a lot of fun. Uh I >> Well, it has been a lot of fun. Uh I >> Well, it has been a lot of fun. Uh I enjoy talking, so let's do it again.

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