Did he kidnap his boss to terminate a contract? | Pooh Shiesty’s alleged ambush of Gucci Mane

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arrest, but he's trying to get pre-trial arrest, but he's trying to get pre-trial release ahead of the federal trial. release ahead of the federal trial. release ahead of the federal trial. Prosecutors have opposed that notion, Prosecutors have opposed that notion, Prosecutors have opposed that notion, revealing much of their evidence in the revealing much of their evidence in the revealing much of their evidence in the upcoming case in a 26-page document that upcoming case in a 26-page document that upcoming case in a 26-page document that could spell the end for Shyy's defense. could spell the end for Shyy's defense. could spell the end for Shyy's defense. According to the filing, Pushisty not According to the filing, Pushisty not According to the filing, Pushisty not only committed this crime while on only committed this crime while on only committed this crime while on parole, but instructed one of his parole, but instructed one of his parole, but instructed one of his co-conspirators to film the encounter co-conspirators to film the encounter co-conspirators to film the encounter for posterity. The reason behind filming for posterity. The reason behind filming for posterity. The reason behind filming yourself doing a crime on parole is yourself doing a crime on parole is yourself doing a crime on parole is unfathomable. Let's go ahead and take a unfathomable. Let's go ahead and take a unfathomable. Let's go ahead and take a look. look. look. >> You dropped this dumb. >> Let them know you dropping. >> Let them know you dropping. >> I drop you. >> I drop you. >> I drop you. >> No. Who's actually dropping 10? Shout >> No. Who's actually dropping 10? Shout >> No. Who's actually dropping 10? Shout out to out to out to >> real [ __ ] Ain't never did no police >> real [ __ ] Ain't never did no police >> real [ __ ] Ain't never did no police [ __ ] or none of that, bro. Tell them [ __ ] or none of that, bro. Tell them [ __ ] or none of that, bro. Tell them what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, >> bro. We just did that. It's done. >> bro. We just did that. It's done. >> bro. We just did that. It's done. >> What you do? You dropped. >> What you do? You dropped. >> What you do? You dropped. >> You said you want to be dropped. You >> You said you want to be dropped. You >> You said you want to be dropped. You dropped. dropped. dropped. >> It's done. >> It's done. >> It's done. >> So, as you can see in the video, there's >> So, as you can see in the video, there's >> So, as you can see in the video, there's a blurred figure identified by a blurred figure identified by a blurred figure identified by prosecutors as RD or Radick Davis. And prosecutors as RD or Radick Davis. And prosecutors as RD or Radick Davis. And there's someone wearing a balaclava, but there's someone wearing a balaclava, but there's someone wearing a balaclava, but still with few full view of his face.

still with few full view of his face. still with few full view of his face. That appears to be Pushy instructing his That appears to be Pushy instructing his That appears to be Pushy instructing his label boss to release him from his label boss to release him from his label boss to release him from his contract. Now, a little background on contract. Now, a little background on contract. Now, a little background on this relationship. Rodri Davis Gucci is this relationship. Rodri Davis Gucci is this relationship. Rodri Davis Gucci is the owner of 1017 Records. Since Gucci's the owner of 1017 Records. Since Gucci's the owner of 1017 Records. Since Gucci's own release from jail, he's had not only own release from jail, he's had not only own release from jail, he's had not only success as a rapper, but as a music success as a rapper, but as a music success as a rapper, but as a music executive, eventually partnering with executive, eventually partnering with executive, eventually partnering with Atlantic Records. Gucci Mane took notice Atlantic Records. Gucci Mane took notice Atlantic Records. Gucci Mane took notice of Pushisty, an upand cominging rapper of Pushisty, an upand cominging rapper of Pushisty, an upand cominging rapper from Memphis with a few minor local hits from Memphis with a few minor local hits from Memphis with a few minor local hits to his name and signed him to a deal to his name and signed him to a deal to his name and signed him to a deal sometime around 2020 or 2021. Initially, sometime around 2020 or 2021. Initially, sometime around 2020 or 2021. Initially, the partnership flourished with Gucci the partnership flourished with Gucci the partnership flourished with Gucci helping Pushisty gain placements and helping Pushisty gain placements and helping Pushisty gain placements and collaborations that launched his career collaborations that launched his career collaborations that launched his career into fame and recognition. Pooh single into fame and recognition. Pooh single into fame and recognition. Pooh single Back in Blood featuring Chicago rapper Back in Blood featuring Chicago rapper Back in Blood featuring Chicago rapper Lil Durk enjoyed Billboard chart success Lil Durk enjoyed Billboard chart success Lil Durk enjoyed Billboard chart success and currently has more than half a and currently has more than half a and currently has more than half a billion streams on Spotify. However, billion streams on Spotify. However, billion streams on Spotify. However, despite his achievements, Puh's despite his achievements, Puh's despite his achievements, Puh's extracurricular activities would extracurricular activities would extracurricular activities would eventually land him in jail just as his eventually land him in jail just as his eventually land him in jail just as his career was on the rise. According to career was on the rise. According to career was on the rise. According to prosecutors, Poo Shisty didn't just rap prosecutors, Poo Shisty didn't just rap prosecutors, Poo Shisty didn't just rap about a braggadocious gang affiliated about a braggadocious gang affiliated about a braggadocious gang affiliated lifestyle. He actually lived it. They lifestyle. He actually lived it. They lifestyle. He actually lived it. They allege that Puh is one of the founding allege that Puh is one of the founding allege that Puh is one of the founding members of the Choa Gang, a members of the Choa Gang, a members of the Choa Gang, a Memphis-based subset of the Grape Street Memphis-based subset of the Grape Street Memphis-based subset of the Grape Street Crips, allegedly involved in narcotics Crips, allegedly involved in narcotics Crips, allegedly involved in narcotics trafficking, robberies, even homicides.

trafficking, robberies, even homicides. trafficking, robberies, even homicides. Eventually, this lifestyle caught up Eventually, this lifestyle caught up Eventually, this lifestyle caught up with Puh and he would spend years in a with Puh and he would spend years in a with Puh and he would spend years in a federal penitentiary instead of in the federal penitentiary instead of in the federal penitentiary instead of in the recording booth. In 2022, the rapper recording booth. In 2022, the rapper recording booth. In 2022, the rapper pleaded guilty to federal charges of pleaded guilty to federal charges of pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiring to possess firearms in conspiring to possess firearms in conspiring to possess firearms in furtherance of violent crimes and drug furtherance of violent crimes and drug furtherance of violent crimes and drug trafficking. Quite a mouthful there. trafficking. Quite a mouthful there. trafficking. Quite a mouthful there. Some serious charges. But as part of Some serious charges. But as part of Some serious charges. But as part of this plea, Puh admitted to conspiracy on this plea, Puh admitted to conspiracy on this plea, Puh admitted to conspiracy on three different occasions. The first was three different occasions. The first was three different occasions. The first was a shooting at a Memphis gas station a shooting at a Memphis gas station a shooting at a Memphis gas station allegedly carried out by an associate. allegedly carried out by an associate. allegedly carried out by an associate. The second was a robbery where two of The second was a robbery where two of The second was a robbery where two of Puh's conspirators brandish weapons to Puh's conspirators brandish weapons to Puh's conspirators brandish weapons to rob victims of their marijuana coding rob victims of their marijuana coding rob victims of their marijuana coding and sneakers. And finally, an assault he and sneakers. And finally, an assault he and sneakers. And finally, an assault he perpetrated on a victim at a Miami strip perpetrated on a victim at a Miami strip perpetrated on a victim at a Miami strip club. Now, these charges could have club. Now, these charges could have club. Now, these charges could have carried a sentence of up to 20 years, carried a sentence of up to 20 years, carried a sentence of up to 20 years, according to prosecutors, which would according to prosecutors, which would according to prosecutors, which would have effectively ended Puh's raft have effectively ended Puh's raft have effectively ended Puh's raft career. However, he received a more career. However, he received a more career. However, he received a more lenient deal of only 63 months in lenient deal of only 63 months in lenient deal of only 63 months in prison. Now, this is important because prison. Now, this is important because prison. Now, this is important because this is where the relationship between this is where the relationship between this is where the relationship between Puh and Gucci Mane begins to sour. While Puh and Gucci Mane begins to sour. While Puh and Gucci Mane begins to sour. While behind bars, Lantrell and his father behind bars, Lantrell and his father behind bars, Lantrell and his father attempted multiple times to negotiate attempted multiple times to negotiate attempted multiple times to negotiate the termination of his record contract the termination of his record contract the termination of his record contract from 1017.

from 1017. from 1017. While Radric was open to negotiating While Radric was open to negotiating While Radric was open to negotiating album payouts or certain terms of the album payouts or certain terms of the album payouts or certain terms of the contract, the sticking point was always contract, the sticking point was always contract, the sticking point was always the ownership of Pushisty's masters. the ownership of Pushisty's masters. the ownership of Pushisty's masters. Now, if you don't know a little bit Now, if you don't know a little bit Now, if you don't know a little bit about masters, they're essentially about masters, they're essentially about masters, they're essentially everything for a recording artist. They everything for a recording artist. They everything for a recording artist. They encompass not only the original encompass not only the original encompass not only the original recordings of the released material, but recordings of the released material, but recordings of the released material, but the sole ownership to license or sell the sole ownership to license or sell the sole ownership to license or sell any subsequent usage of that recording. any subsequent usage of that recording. any subsequent usage of that recording. It also enables the person to collect It also enables the person to collect It also enables the person to collect the lion share of the royalties from the lion share of the royalties from the lion share of the royalties from that work. Now, under this contract, that work. Now, under this contract, that work. Now, under this contract, they belong to Gucci Mane and 1017, and they belong to Gucci Mane and 1017, and they belong to Gucci Mane and 1017, and the entrepreneur was not about to let the entrepreneur was not about to let the entrepreneur was not about to let the stream of revenue go, especially the stream of revenue go, especially the stream of revenue go, especially with Puh unlikely to gain the label any with Puh unlikely to gain the label any with Puh unlikely to gain the label any new streams of income during his new streams of income during his new streams of income during his incarceration. Now, I mentioned that Puh incarceration. Now, I mentioned that Puh incarceration. Now, I mentioned that Puh received leniency on the federal received leniency on the federal received leniency on the federal charges. He also got early release charges. He also got early release charges. He also got early release allowing him to leave jail on parole in allowing him to leave jail on parole in allowing him to leave jail on parole in October of 2025. Shortly after his October of 2025. Shortly after his October of 2025. Shortly after his release, Poo Shisy actually dropped a release, Poo Shisy actually dropped a release, Poo Shisy actually dropped a new single FDO or First Day Out. Now, new single FDO or First Day Out. Now, new single FDO or First Day Out. Now, the song ended up being a hit, achieving the song ended up being a hit, achieving the song ended up being a hit, achieving Pu's highest chart position, landing Pu's highest chart position, landing Pu's highest chart position, landing number one on the Billboard R&B and hip number one on the Billboard R&B and hip number one on the Billboard R&B and hip hop chart. Now, this comeback success hop chart. Now, this comeback success hop chart. Now, this comeback success further drove a wedge between Pooh and further drove a wedge between Pooh and further drove a wedge between Pooh and Gucci's 1017 label. While Shy had laid Gucci's 1017 label. While Shy had laid Gucci's 1017 label. While Shy had laid dormant for a while, he was again on the dormant for a while, he was again on the dormant for a while, he was again on the charts, bringing not only newfound charts, bringing not only newfound charts, bringing not only newfound income, but value to his entire catalog.

income, but value to his entire catalog. income, but value to his entire catalog. So, under these circumstances, Pushisty So, under these circumstances, Pushisty So, under these circumstances, Pushisty and his father again wanted to negotiate and his father again wanted to negotiate and his father again wanted to negotiate the terms of the rapper's contract. And the terms of the rapper's contract. And the terms of the rapper's contract. And it was under the guise of further it was under the guise of further it was under the guise of further negotiation that Gucci Mane was lured to negotiation that Gucci Mane was lured to negotiation that Gucci Mane was lured to the recording studio in Dallas. the recording studio in Dallas. the recording studio in Dallas. However, this would to be a formal However, this would to be a formal However, this would to be a formal sitdown between the label exec and sitdown between the label exec and sitdown between the label exec and artist. There would be no lawyers artist. There would be no lawyers artist. There would be no lawyers involved. Instead, prosecutors say that involved. Instead, prosecutors say that involved. Instead, prosecutors say that Shy conspired with members of the Choa Shy conspired with members of the Choa Shy conspired with members of the Choa gang to coordinate a hostile takeover. gang to coordinate a hostile takeover. gang to coordinate a hostile takeover. Once inside the studio, Puh asked Gucci Once inside the studio, Puh asked Gucci Once inside the studio, Puh asked Gucci Mane to speak with him in one of the Mane to speak with him in one of the Mane to speak with him in one of the soundproof recording rooms of the soundproof recording rooms of the soundproof recording rooms of the studio. Allegedly, Puh's father, William studio. Allegedly, Puh's father, William studio. Allegedly, Puh's father, William Senior and associate, Rodney Wright Jr., Senior and associate, Rodney Wright Jr., Senior and associate, Rodney Wright Jr., also known as the rapper Big 30, entered also known as the rapper Big 30, entered also known as the rapper Big 30, entered the booth and the conversation became the booth and the conversation became the booth and the conversation became heated. Puh's father allegedly produced heated. Puh's father allegedly produced heated. Puh's father allegedly produced a legal release form, which prosecutors a legal release form, which prosecutors a legal release form, which prosecutors claim was actually printed out at a claim was actually printed out at a claim was actually printed out at a Staples before the alleged kidnapping, Staples before the alleged kidnapping, Staples before the alleged kidnapping, and Puh urged his label boss to sign.

and Puh urged his label boss to sign. and Puh urged his label boss to sign. When Radick refused, prosecutors say When Radick refused, prosecutors say When Radick refused, prosecutors say Push Shisty and others in his party Push Shisty and others in his party Push Shisty and others in his party produced Draos or AK style pistols, produced Draos or AK style pistols, produced Draos or AK style pistols, pointed him at Gucci, and repeatedly pointed him at Gucci, and repeatedly pointed him at Gucci, and repeatedly demanded him to sign the release. Faced demanded him to sign the release. Faced demanded him to sign the release. Faced with the threat, Gucci eventually with the threat, Gucci eventually with the threat, Gucci eventually complied. However, the signed contract complied. However, the signed contract complied. However, the signed contract apparently wasn't enough. Unsatisfied. apparently wasn't enough. Unsatisfied. apparently wasn't enough. Unsatisfied. Prosecutors say that Shy then instructed Prosecutors say that Shy then instructed Prosecutors say that Shy then instructed his associate Big 30 to film a video on his associate Big 30 to film a video on his associate Big 30 to film a video on his cell phone confirming that Pooh was his cell phone confirming that Pooh was his cell phone confirming that Pooh was released from his contract. What makes released from his contract. What makes released from his contract. What makes this even wilder is that Poo Shisty was this even wilder is that Poo Shisty was this even wilder is that Poo Shisty was already on federal parole at the time of already on federal parole at the time of already on federal parole at the time of the incident. So many of his alleged the incident. So many of his alleged the incident. So many of his alleged motions and happenings have all been motions and happenings have all been motions and happenings have all been meticulously tracked. And then you add meticulously tracked. And then you add meticulously tracked. And then you add in this video, it's a very wild set of in this video, it's a very wild set of in this video, it's a very wild set of circumstances and it really makes this circumstances and it really makes this circumstances and it really makes this this case difficult for Shyy's defense. this case difficult for Shyy's defense. this case difficult for Shyy's defense. Now joining me is Nema Romani, a former Now joining me is Nema Romani, a former Now joining me is Nema Romani, a former federal prosecutor, the president of federal prosecutor, the president of federal prosecutor, the president of West Coast Trial Lawyers and a legal West Coast Trial Lawyers and a legal West Coast Trial Lawyers and a legal commentator you can catch everywhere.

commentator you can catch everywhere. commentator you can catch everywhere. Nema, thank you so much for joining us. Nema, thank you so much for joining us. Nema, thank you so much for joining us. >> Well, thanks for having me as always. >> Well, thanks for having me as always. >> Well, thanks for having me as always. This one's a crazy one. This one's a crazy one. This one's a crazy one. >> It is. It is. So, first I I just kind of >> It is. It is. So, first I I just kind of >> It is. It is. So, first I I just kind of want to level set on that. uh you know want to level set on that. uh you know want to level set on that. uh you know these charges here uh kidnapping and these charges here uh kidnapping and these charges here uh kidnapping and extortion obviously very very serious extortion obviously very very serious extortion obviously very very serious you know you have if according to the you know you have if according to the you know you have if according to the government eight armed men rolling on a government eight armed men rolling on a government eight armed men rolling on a you know music executive a hip-hop you know music executive a hip-hop you know music executive a hip-hop legend in Gucci Mane uh and holding not legend in Gucci Mane uh and holding not legend in Gucci Mane uh and holding not only him to to get out of this contract only him to to get out of this contract only him to to get out of this contract but allegedly other members of his party but allegedly other members of his party but allegedly other members of his party at gunpoint to to sort of rob them there at gunpoint to to sort of rob them there at gunpoint to to sort of rob them there I'm just curious can you level set for I'm just curious can you level set for I'm just curious can you level set for us just how serious these federal us just how serious these federal us just how serious these federal charges are and why do you think federal charges are and why do you think federal charges are and why do you think federal prosecutors prosecutors prosecutors went ahead and jumped in sort of right went ahead and jumped in sort of right went ahead and jumped in sort of right away on this one. away on this one. away on this one. >> Yeah, this one's crazy. Obviously, look, >> Yeah, this one's crazy. Obviously, look, >> Yeah, this one's crazy. Obviously, look, whenever you kidnap someone at gunpoint, whenever you kidnap someone at gunpoint, whenever you kidnap someone at gunpoint, force them to sign an agreement, steal force them to sign an agreement, steal force them to sign an agreement, steal hundreds of thousands of dollars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jewelry from them, and the victim is of jewelry from them, and the victim is of jewelry from them, and the victim is Gucci Mane. I mean, it's going to get Gucci Mane. I mean, it's going to get Gucci Mane. I mean, it's going to get attention, right? So, this is exactly attention, right? So, this is exactly attention, right? So, this is exactly the type of case federal prosecutors the type of case federal prosecutors the type of case federal prosecutors like to jump on. The fact that the like to jump on. The fact that the like to jump on. The fact that the alleged defendant here has a extensive alleged defendant here has a extensive alleged defendant here has a extensive criminal history, hasn't really been criminal history, hasn't really been criminal history, hasn't really been compliant certainly helps as well. So, compliant certainly helps as well. So, compliant certainly helps as well. So, obviously, you have someone already in obviously, you have someone already in obviously, you have someone already in the federal justice system, you know, the federal justice system, you know, the federal justice system, you know, he's transitioning out and then commits he's transitioning out and then commits he's transitioning out and then commits another crime. That's what the feds will another crime. That's what the feds will another crime. That's what the feds will pick up all day, every day.

pick up all day, every day. pick up all day, every day. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a good point >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a good point >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a good point because a lot of this new information because a lot of this new information because a lot of this new information that's coming out is from this response that's coming out is from this response that's coming out is from this response from the government about Pushisty's from the government about Pushisty's from the government about Pushisty's request for pre-trial release and you request for pre-trial release and you request for pre-trial release and you know these alleged crimes happened while know these alleged crimes happened while know these alleged crimes happened while he was already on federal probation. And he was already on federal probation. And he was already on federal probation. And if you saw the original criminal if you saw the original criminal if you saw the original criminal complaint, the government had quite a complaint, the government had quite a complaint, the government had quite a bit to deal with. They had basically the bit to deal with. They had basically the bit to deal with. They had basically the names and Instagram handles of everyone names and Instagram handles of everyone names and Instagram handles of everyone involved. They had security footage from involved. They had security footage from involved. They had security footage from outside the studio. They corroborated outside the studio. They corroborated outside the studio. They corroborated that with car rentals, with uh license that with car rentals, with uh license that with car rentals, with uh license plate readers. They even had a a receipt plate readers. They even had a a receipt plate readers. They even had a a receipt and surveillance from the Staples where and surveillance from the Staples where and surveillance from the Staples where this contract was printed out that they this contract was printed out that they this contract was printed out that they wanted Gucci Mane to sign. But now wanted Gucci Mane to sign. But now wanted Gucci Mane to sign. But now allegedly, they also have the messages allegedly, they also have the messages allegedly, they also have the messages that were sent out which would in that were sent out which would in that were sent out which would in indicate some sort of inner state indicate some sort of inner state indicate some sort of inner state conspiracy potentially. Uh, and also conspiracy potentially. Uh, and also conspiracy potentially. Uh, and also this video uh that Pushisty allegedly this video uh that Pushisty allegedly this video uh that Pushisty allegedly had one of his conspirators film of this had one of his conspirators film of this had one of his conspirators film of this entire incident. Like entire incident. Like entire incident. Like what are you thinking about this as a what are you thinking about this as a what are you thinking about this as a federal prosecutor? You know, we know federal prosecutor? You know, we know federal prosecutor? You know, we know feds don't move in unless it's a slam feds don't move in unless it's a slam feds don't move in unless it's a slam dunk case. I mean, this did this just go dunk case. I mean, this did this just go dunk case. I mean, this did this just go from good to best case scenario.

from good to best case scenario. from good to best case scenario. >> Yeah. You know, he thought I guess Shy >> Yeah. You know, he thought I guess Shy >> Yeah. You know, he thought I guess Shy thought that by getting this video it thought that by getting this video it thought that by getting this video it helped him get out of the contract. helped him get out of the contract. helped him get out of the contract. Little did he know he's just creating Little did he know he's just creating Little did he know he's just creating evidence that's going to be used against evidence that's going to be used against evidence that's going to be used against him. And like you said, Will, in these him. And like you said, Will, in these him. And like you said, Will, in these types of cases, you know how federal types of cases, you know how federal types of cases, you know how federal prosecutors work. By the time they go to prosecutors work. By the time they go to prosecutors work. By the time they go to the grand jury, they get an indictment. the grand jury, they get an indictment. the grand jury, they get an indictment. They want it. Ironclad, bulletproof They want it. Ironclad, bulletproof They want it. Ironclad, bulletproof case, no holes. And whenever you're case, no holes. And whenever you're case, no holes. And whenever you're dealing with cooperators, right? People dealing with cooperators, right? People dealing with cooperators, right? People that might have a reason to lie to save that might have a reason to lie to save that might have a reason to lie to save themselves. Obviously, we know there's themselves. Obviously, we know there's themselves. Obviously, we know there's this contract dispute going on. You this contract dispute going on. You this contract dispute going on. You always want to corroborate that type of always want to corroborate that type of always want to corroborate that type of testimony, right? So, the folks that testimony, right? So, the folks that testimony, right? So, the folks that you're flipping that are going to be you're flipping that are going to be you're flipping that are going to be witnesses in your case, you want to make witnesses in your case, you want to make witnesses in your case, you want to make sure that there's independent witnesses, sure that there's independent witnesses, sure that there's independent witnesses, cell phone, video, that type of thing. cell phone, video, that type of thing. cell phone, video, that type of thing. Same thing. The last thing you want is Same thing. The last thing you want is Same thing. The last thing you want is the criminal justice system to be used the criminal justice system to be used the criminal justice system to be used to gain leverage in some sort of civil to gain leverage in some sort of civil to gain leverage in some sort of civil dispute. So, uh, whenever there's a dispute. So, uh, whenever there's a dispute. So, uh, whenever there's a victim that may have a financial motive victim that may have a financial motive victim that may have a financial motive in the case, you want to make sure that in the case, you want to make sure that in the case, you want to make sure that you corroborate his or her testimony as you corroborate his or her testimony as you corroborate his or her testimony as well. So, seems like the feds have done well. So, seems like the feds have done well. So, seems like the feds have done that. So, then on top of that, you have that. So, then on top of that, you have that. So, then on top of that, you have this bail issue, right? And we know that this bail issue, right? And we know that this bail issue, right? And we know that bail is not appropriate when someone is bail is not appropriate when someone is bail is not appropriate when someone is a risk of flight or danger to the a risk of flight or danger to the a risk of flight or danger to the community. And here's someone who community. And here's someone who community. And here's someone who allegedly Pushisti hasn't been allegedly Pushisti hasn't been allegedly Pushisti hasn't been compliant, has really uh in some very compliant, has really uh in some very compliant, has really uh in some very creative ways seemingly uh gamed the creative ways seemingly uh gamed the creative ways seemingly uh gamed the you know supervised release system here.

you know supervised release system here. you know supervised release system here. And you have someone that is And you have someone that is And you have someone that is allegedly charged with some very serious allegedly charged with some very serious allegedly charged with some very serious firearms offenses in this case. firearms offenses in this case. firearms offenses in this case. obviously Hobsack kidnapping, all that obviously Hobsack kidnapping, all that obviously Hobsack kidnapping, all that sort of stuff, but also was in custody sort of stuff, but also was in custody sort of stuff, but also was in custody for some previous firearms offenses, for some previous firearms offenses, for some previous firearms offenses, right? So things are not looking good right? So things are not looking good right? So things are not looking good for the defense here. for the defense here. for the defense here. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm curious. So what are >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm curious. So what are >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm curious. So what are you even hoping for if if you're the you even hoping for if if you're the you even hoping for if if you're the defense in this type of scenario? Like defense in this type of scenario? Like defense in this type of scenario? Like is this where you especially with this is this where you especially with this is this where you especially with this new evidence, do you begin to think more new evidence, do you begin to think more new evidence, do you begin to think more seriously about a plea? I mean, seriously about a plea? I mean, seriously about a plea? I mean, ultimately Push Discy pleaded guilty ultimately Push Discy pleaded guilty ultimately Push Discy pleaded guilty previously to the to these uh serious previously to the to these uh serious previously to the to these uh serious counts and he got a pretty lenient counts and he got a pretty lenient counts and he got a pretty lenient sentence of I believe 63 months when his sentence of I believe 63 months when his sentence of I believe 63 months when his exposure according to the federal exposure according to the federal exposure according to the federal government could have been something government could have been something government could have been something like 20 years. Uh and even in that he like 20 years. Uh and even in that he like 20 years. Uh and even in that he allegedly wasn't compliant. Like what allegedly wasn't compliant. Like what allegedly wasn't compliant. Like what are you looking for? What are you trying are you looking for? What are you trying are you looking for? What are you trying to mitigate here if if you're on the to mitigate here if if you're on the to mitigate here if if you're on the other side of this prosecution? other side of this prosecution? other side of this prosecution? >> Yeah. So there's two ways to kind of >> Yeah. So there's two ways to kind of >> Yeah. So there's two ways to kind of defend this case. The first is defend this case. The first is defend this case. The first is mitigation going to be very tough, mitigation going to be very tough, mitigation going to be very tough, right? Obviously pleading guilty you're right? Obviously pleading guilty you're right? Obviously pleading guilty you're going to get some consideration but going to get some consideration but going to get some consideration but exposure is high on some of the weapons exposure is high on some of the weapons exposure is high on some of the weapons charges like you said hobbs I believe is charges like you said hobbs I believe is charges like you said hobbs I believe is 20 year max the kidnapping you know 20 year max the kidnapping you know 20 year max the kidnapping you know depending on certain factors that's a depending on certain factors that's a depending on certain factors that's a potential life case and you know someone potential life case and you know someone potential life case and you know someone with this type of criminal history with this type of criminal history with this type of criminal history this type of evidence in terms like he this type of evidence in terms like he this type of evidence in terms like he might be violated by the way on his might be violated by the way on his might be violated by the way on his probation supervised release in his probation supervised release in his probation supervised release in his previous case. So, just so folks know, previous case. So, just so folks know, previous case. So, just so folks know, when you're on probation or supervised

when you're on probation or supervised when you're on probation or supervised relief in the federal system, same thing relief in the federal system, same thing relief in the federal system, same thing in state court, by the way, you can be in state court, by the way, you can be in state court, by the way, you can be violated violated violated and it's just a prepoundonderance and it's just a prepoundonderance and it's just a prepoundonderance standard. So, it's not that beyond a standard. So, it's not that beyond a standard. So, it's not that beyond a reasonable doubt, so slightly more reasonable doubt, so slightly more reasonable doubt, so slightly more likely than not. And you don't have a likely than not. And you don't have a likely than not. And you don't have a right to a jury trial. It's just a right to a jury trial. It's just a right to a jury trial. It's just a judge. So, you can get time just for judge. So, you can get time just for judge. So, you can get time just for violating the conditions of your violating the conditions of your violating the conditions of your previous case. And you have a new case. previous case. And you have a new case. previous case. And you have a new case. So, we're talking about very significant So, we're talking about very significant So, we're talking about very significant potential time for Pushisty. Obviously, potential time for Pushisty. Obviously, potential time for Pushisty. Obviously, anyone else that ends up getting charged anyone else that ends up getting charged anyone else that ends up getting charged uh in this conspiracy. Um, you know, so uh in this conspiracy. Um, you know, so uh in this conspiracy. Um, you know, so there's a potential mitigation case. there's a potential mitigation case. there's a potential mitigation case. Again, Will, I think it's going to be Again, Will, I think it's going to be Again, Will, I think it's going to be very tough. We'll shave off some time, very tough. We'll shave off some time, very tough. We'll shave off some time, but certainly not going to get anything but certainly not going to get anything but certainly not going to get anything less than the five years he already got. less than the five years he already got. less than the five years he already got. He's probably looking at at least 10 He's probably looking at at least 10 He's probably looking at at least 10 years. Um, and the other is trying to years. Um, and the other is trying to years. Um, and the other is trying to defend the case straight up on the defend the case straight up on the defend the case straight up on the merits. try to basically argue a jury merits. try to basically argue a jury merits. try to basically argue a jury that he's not guilty. I think the only that he's not guilty. I think the only that he's not guilty. I think the only way to really do so would be to say, way to really do so would be to say, way to really do so would be to say, listen, this is a business dispute. Uh listen, this is a business dispute. Uh listen, this is a business dispute. Uh Poo Shisty wanted out. Gucci Mane did it Poo Shisty wanted out. Gucci Mane did it Poo Shisty wanted out. Gucci Mane did it and and and his team, they fabricated this because his team, they fabricated this because his team, they fabricated this because of money. This is all about money and of money. This is all about money and of money. This is all about money and you know, and he's trying to hold him to you know, and he's trying to hold him to you know, and he's trying to hold him to this contract. Um you know, obviously this contract. Um you know, obviously this contract. Um you know, obviously Pooh Shisty wants his masters and kind Pooh Shisty wants his masters and kind Pooh Shisty wants his masters and kind of taking a step back, right? You know, of taking a step back, right? You know, of taking a step back, right? You know, obviously in the rap game there's been obviously in the rap game there's been obviously in the rap game there's been many, many disputes over record deals many, many disputes over record deals many, many disputes over record deals going back to NWA, right? I mean, the going back to NWA, right? I mean, the going back to NWA, right? I mean, the reason, you know, that broke up Dre, Ice

reason, you know, that broke up Dre, Ice reason, you know, that broke up Dre, Ice Cube, Easy E was because of what some of Cube, Easy E was because of what some of Cube, Easy E was because of what some of the members thought was a bad deal, the members thought was a bad deal, the members thought was a bad deal, right? And Easy E's relationship with right? And Easy E's relationship with right? And Easy E's relationship with the record company. But even when you're the record company. But even when you're the record company. But even when you're talking about Masters, right, you have talking about Masters, right, you have talking about Masters, right, you have Taylor Swift, Scooter Braun, right? I Taylor Swift, Scooter Braun, right? I Taylor Swift, Scooter Braun, right? I mean, that was such a big deal. So, I mean, that was such a big deal. So, I mean, that was such a big deal. So, I think if you're defending this, you're think if you're defending this, you're think if you're defending this, you're saying, "Listen, here's someone that saying, "Listen, here's someone that saying, "Listen, here's someone that just wants the right to his music, just wants the right to his music, just wants the right to his music, right? Doesn't want to be controlled by right? Doesn't want to be controlled by right? Doesn't want to be controlled by the record company." I'm not saying it's the record company." I'm not saying it's the record company." I'm not saying it's going to carry the day, but I think going to carry the day, but I think going to carry the day, but I think that's the type of defense you need to that's the type of defense you need to that's the type of defense you need to put up to say, "Look, this is all made put up to say, "Look, this is all made put up to say, "Look, this is all made up. It's just about money, right? And up. It's just about money, right? And up. It's just about money, right? And Poo Shisty wants to own his own music Poo Shisty wants to own his own music Poo Shisty wants to own his own music just like any other artist. No different just like any other artist. No different just like any other artist. No different than Taylor Swift. I can't imagine than Taylor Swift. I can't imagine than Taylor Swift. I can't imagine Taylor, you know, caught up in something Taylor, you know, caught up in something Taylor, you know, caught up in something like this." like this." like this." >> No. No. I would I would hope not. Yeah. >> No. No. I would I would hope not. Yeah. >> No. No. I would I would hope not. Yeah. I I would hope there was nobody armed I I would hope there was nobody armed I I would hope there was nobody armed there in Madison Square Garden. there in Madison Square Garden. there in Madison Square Garden. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Um Okay. So, I It's interesting that >> Um Okay. So, I It's interesting that >> Um Okay. So, I It's interesting that with this contract dispute, which is with this contract dispute, which is with this contract dispute, which is seemingly at the heart of this whole seemingly at the heart of this whole seemingly at the heart of this whole thing. thing. thing. >> It appears from what the government >> It appears from what the government >> It appears from what the government released that they at least had a lawyer released that they at least had a lawyer released that they at least had a lawyer vet this sort of contract because it is vet this sort of contract because it is vet this sort of contract because it is an official contract. It's not just like an official contract. It's not just like an official contract. It's not just like a blanket statement that says I release a blanket statement that says I release a blanket statement that says I release Pushis and his masters.

Pushis and his masters. Pushis and his masters. Why do you think they didn't just Why do you think they didn't just Why do you think they didn't just continue down that angle a little bit continue down that angle a little bit continue down that angle a little bit more just legally? more just legally? more just legally? >> Yeah, I don't know, man. Some of these >> Yeah, I don't know, man. Some of these >> Yeah, I don't know, man. Some of these negotiations, they can get uh heated uh negotiations, they can get uh heated uh negotiations, they can get uh heated uh to say the least. You know, I've to say the least. You know, I've to say the least. You know, I've represented celebrities. I've sued represented celebrities. I've sued represented celebrities. I've sued celebrities. I'm a litigator, so I'm not celebrities. I'm a litigator, so I'm not celebrities. I'm a litigator, so I'm not on the transactional side, but just on the transactional side, but just on the transactional side, but just talking to some of them, I mean, these talking to some of them, I mean, these talking to some of them, I mean, these are really big deals, you know? So, the are really big deals, you know? So, the are really big deals, you know? So, the way it works is, and I've just spent way it works is, and I've just spent way it works is, and I've just spent time on this on the periphery. I'm time on this on the periphery. I'm time on this on the periphery. I'm sitting here in LA, so um anyone in the sitting here in LA, so um anyone in the sitting here in LA, so um anyone in the music industry knows, you know, when music industry knows, you know, when music industry knows, you know, when you're an artist and you sign one of you're an artist and you sign one of you're an artist and you sign one of these record deals, especially in the these record deals, especially in the these record deals, especially in the beginning, you don't have a whole lot of beginning, you don't have a whole lot of beginning, you don't have a whole lot of leverage, right? So, there's different leverage, right? So, there's different leverage, right? So, there's different components to the deal. You know, as the components to the deal. You know, as the components to the deal. You know, as the artist, you have the copyright in the artist, you have the copyright in the artist, you have the copyright in the music itself. So you can perform it, you music itself. So you can perform it, you music itself. So you can perform it, you go on concert, but when you go record it go on concert, but when you go record it go on concert, but when you go record it and there's a master, the record company and there's a master, the record company and there's a master, the record company actually owns the master. The master is actually owns the master. The master is actually owns the master. The master is the recording itself. So you don't the recording itself. So you don't the recording itself. So you don't necessarily own your music to put it on necessarily own your music to put it on necessarily own your music to put it on Spotify or you know Apple Music or Spotify or you know Apple Music or Spotify or you know Apple Music or whatever you want. So that's why there's whatever you want. So that's why there's whatever you want. So that's why there's always this um always this um always this um you know this discussion and again you know this discussion and again you know this discussion and again Taylor Swift's probably the one that Taylor Swift's probably the one that Taylor Swift's probably the one that kind of made it uh really public where kind of made it uh really public where kind of made it uh really public where listen like as an artist I don't even listen like as an artist I don't even listen like as an artist I don't even own my I don't even own my own music and own my I don't even own my own music and own my I don't even own my own music and not only that it's not just one album not only that it's not just one album not only that it's not just one album sometimes these record contracts will sometimes these record contracts will sometimes these record contracts will tie you up for multiple albums right so tie you up for multiple albums right so tie you up for multiple albums right so you can't you know get out of this and

you can't you know get out of this and you can't you know get out of this and say you know what I'm going to go say you know what I'm going to go say you know what I'm going to go independent I'm going to start my own independent I'm going to start my own independent I'm going to start my own record company I want to own my own record company I want to own my own record company I want to own my own music it is challenging. Um, so I think music it is challenging. Um, so I think music it is challenging. Um, so I think again this is something that Shyy's again this is something that Shyy's again this is something that Shyy's lawyer is going to have to explain and lawyer is going to have to explain and lawyer is going to have to explain and say, "Listen, this was just a very say, "Listen, this was just a very say, "Listen, this was just a very heated negotiation. There were lawyers heated negotiation. There were lawyers heated negotiation. There were lawyers involved. Um, obviously the parties involved. Um, obviously the parties involved. Um, obviously the parties disagreed, but there was really no disagreed, but there was really no disagreed, but there was really no violence here and Gucci Mane's trying to violence here and Gucci Mane's trying to violence here and Gucci Mane's trying to keep this artist down and maintain keep this artist down and maintain keep this artist down and maintain control over." control over." control over." >> Yeah, that's interesting. That's >> Yeah, that's interesting. That's >> Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. Okay. So, before we get out interesting. Okay. So, before we get out interesting. Okay. So, before we get out of here, I do want to talk about like of here, I do want to talk about like of here, I do want to talk about like what is one of the wildest uh elements what is one of the wildest uh elements what is one of the wildest uh elements of this entire story to me and and you of this entire story to me and and you of this entire story to me and and you already touched about it, but these already touched about it, but these already touched about it, but these alleged acts taking place while Pushy alleged acts taking place while Pushy alleged acts taking place while Pushy was already on federal probation. So, I was already on federal probation. So, I was already on federal probation. So, I I just want to ask you a little bit I just want to ask you a little bit I just want to ask you a little bit about here like so how does this work on about here like so how does this work on about here like so how does this work on federal probation? I mean, he was federal probation? I mean, he was federal probation? I mean, he was supposed to be on house arrest. He's supposed to be on house arrest. He's supposed to be on house arrest. He's supposed to be checking in with both the supposed to be checking in with both the supposed to be checking in with both the Bureau of Prisons as well as the Bureau of Prisons as well as the Bureau of Prisons as well as the Volunteers of America. And the Volunteers of America. And the Volunteers of America. And the government is alleging that he might government is alleging that he might government is alleging that he might have had an inappropriate relationship have had an inappropriate relationship have had an inappropriate relationship with one of these VA or multiple of with one of these VA or multiple of with one of these VA or multiple of these VA employees. But the government these VA employees. But the government these VA employees. But the government also says that even with these also says that even with these also says that even with these relationships, there were at least four relationships, there were at least four relationships, there were at least four uh clear violations of the of the uh clear violations of the of the uh clear violations of the of the probation. And that's not to even probation. And that's not to even probation. And that's not to even mention some of the text messages they mention some of the text messages they mention some of the text messages they discovered later that showed that he was discovered later that showed that he was discovered later that showed that he was drinking alcohol, may have even been in drinking alcohol, may have even been in drinking alcohol, may have even been in a DWI accident uh while doing this. So h a DWI accident uh while doing this. So h a DWI accident uh while doing this. So h how does this sort of thing you know how does this sort of thing you know how does this sort of thing you know with these with these sort of uh aggro

with these with these sort of uh aggro with these with these sort of uh aggro like with these violations how is this like with these violations how is this like with these violations how is this allowed to continue and you know what do allowed to continue and you know what do allowed to continue and you know what do you think could happen to this VA you think could happen to this VA you think could happen to this VA employee or employees if they are employee or employees if they are employee or employees if they are somehow complicit in this whole thing? somehow complicit in this whole thing? somehow complicit in this whole thing? >> Yeah. Well it's wild I got to tell you >> Yeah. Well it's wild I got to tell you >> Yeah. Well it's wild I got to tell you and if you're the government it's not and if you're the government it's not and if you're the government it's not just for this you know bail hearing bond just for this you know bail hearing bond just for this you know bail hearing bond issue. you want to get it into the trial issue. you want to get it into the trial issue. you want to get it into the trial itself, right? That this was all sort of itself, right? That this was all sort of itself, right? That this was all sort of part of this mass conspiracy. And I part of this mass conspiracy. And I part of this mass conspiracy. And I believe there's one employee that's been believe there's one employee that's been believe there's one employee that's been fired. I'm surprised that additional fired. I'm surprised that additional fired. I'm surprised that additional heads haven't rolled or people haven't heads haven't rolled or people haven't heads haven't rolled or people haven't been prosecuted. But so people been prosecuted. But so people been prosecuted. But so people understand the way it works is if you understand the way it works is if you understand the way it works is if you are convicted in the federal criminal are convicted in the federal criminal are convicted in the federal criminal justice system, most of the time you're justice system, most of the time you're justice system, most of the time you're going to do prison time, right? So you going to do prison time, right? So you going to do prison time, right? So you do time these are all very serious do time these are all very serious do time these are all very serious felonies. It's not like state court felonies. It's not like state court felonies. It's not like state court where you have a lot of misdemeanors, where you have a lot of misdemeanors, where you have a lot of misdemeanors, infractions. The vast majority of infractions. The vast majority of infractions. The vast majority of federal cases are felonies and they do federal cases are felonies and they do federal cases are felonies and they do result in federal prison time. But when result in federal prison time. But when result in federal prison time. But when you're nearing the end of your sentence you're nearing the end of your sentence you're nearing the end of your sentence to kind of transition you back to to kind of transition you back to to kind of transition you back to society, right, there are periods often society, right, there are periods often society, right, there are periods often of home confinement or a halfway house, of home confinement or a halfway house, of home confinement or a halfway house, right? So they don't just throw you out right? So they don't just throw you out right? So they don't just throw you out in the street. You know, you've served 5 in the street. You know, you've served 5 in the street. You know, you've served 5 10 years and you don't know what to do.

10 years and you don't know what to do. 10 years and you don't know what to do. You have no support. So, the purpose of You have no support. So, the purpose of You have no support. So, the purpose of this is to transition you back to this is to transition you back to this is to transition you back to time outside of prison, right? So, time outside of prison, right? So, time outside of prison, right? So, oftentimes you'll have a probation oftentimes you'll have a probation oftentimes you'll have a probation officer um and probation is an arm of officer um and probation is an arm of officer um and probation is an arm of the court. So, they'll make sure that the court. So, they'll make sure that the court. So, they'll make sure that look, you're on house arrest, you're look, you're on house arrest, you're look, you're on house arrest, you're trying to get a job, you're drug trying to get a job, you're drug trying to get a job, you're drug testing. So in this case, if you have testing. So in this case, if you have testing. So in this case, if you have Push Shisty using drugs, alcohol, Push Shisty using drugs, alcohol, Push Shisty using drugs, alcohol, leaving uh and essentially lying um leaving uh and essentially lying um leaving uh and essentially lying um about where his whereabouts are with about where his whereabouts are with about where his whereabouts are with employees there that are complicit. I employees there that are complicit. I employees there that are complicit. I mean, that's a huge problem, not just mean, that's a huge problem, not just mean, that's a huge problem, not just for Shy, but those employees as well for Shy, but those employees as well for Shy, but those employees as well that are helping him break federal laws. that are helping him break federal laws. that are helping him break federal laws. It's very serious. It's very serious. It's very serious. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I mean I I don't see him gaining pre-trial mean I I don't see him gaining pre-trial mean I I don't see him gaining pre-trial release. most likely. Is is he going to release. most likely. Is is he going to release. most likely. Is is he going to be behind bars until this trial starts be behind bars until this trial starts be behind bars until this trial starts sometime probably February of next year? sometime probably February of next year? sometime probably February of next year? >> Well, I believe so. I would be shocked >> Well, I believe so. I would be shocked >> Well, I believe so. I would be shocked if any judge in any courtroom in this if any judge in any courtroom in this if any judge in any courtroom in this country, given the seriousness of these country, given the seriousness of these country, given the seriousness of these allegations in the new case, what he did allegations in the new case, what he did allegations in the new case, what he did at the tail end of his old case, I'd be at the tail end of his old case, I'd be at the tail end of his old case, I'd be shocked if any judge grants him any shocked if any judge grants him any shocked if any judge grants him any condition of release. He's going to be condition of release. He's going to be condition of release. He's going to be in custody, remanded up until trial. So in custody, remanded up until trial. So in custody, remanded up until trial. So it's really only chance of getting out it's really only chance of getting out it's really only chance of getting out is to beat not just the supervisor's is to beat not just the supervisor's is to beat not just the supervisor's corration violation but also beat these corration violation but also beat these corration violation but also beat these new charges. It's going to be very tough new charges. It's going to be very tough new charges. It's going to be very tough for Pushist.

for Pushist. for Pushist. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a long road >> Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a long road >> Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a long road ahead. Well, thank you so much for ahead. Well, thank you so much for ahead. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Nema. Uh where can people joining us, Nema. Uh where can people joining us, Nema. Uh where can people see you? Uh find out more about you. see you? Uh find out more about you. see you? Uh find out more about you. Where can they watch you? Where can they watch you? Where can they watch you? >> So, well, I do a lot of TV, but on >> So, well, I do a lot of TV, but on >> So, well, I do a lot of TV, but on social media, I'm at Nema Ramani. N E A social media, I'm at Nema Ramani. N E A social media, I'm at Nema Ramani. N E A M A R A H M A N I on all social media M A R A H M A N I on all social media M A R A H M A N I on all social media platforms, Instagram, Tik Tok, X, platforms, Instagram, Tik Tok, X, platforms, Instagram, Tik Tok, X, LinkedIn, you name it. And my firm is LinkedIn, you name it. And my firm is LinkedIn, you name it. And my firm is West Coast Trial Lawyers on all those West Coast Trial Lawyers on all those West Coast Trial Lawyers on all those same platforms. Please check me out and same platforms. Please check me out and same platforms. Please check me out and thanks for having me on as always. thanks for having me on as always. thanks for having me on as always. >> Absolutely. Thanks so much, Nema. >> Absolutely. Thanks so much, Nema. >> Absolutely. Thanks so much, Nema. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> Take care. >> So, where things stand right now is >> So, where things stand right now is >> So, where things stand right now is Pushisty remains behind bars on the Pushisty remains behind bars on the Pushisty remains behind bars on the federal charges. You know, as you heard federal charges. You know, as you heard federal charges. You know, as you heard from Nema and myself, it seems very from Nema and myself, it seems very from Nema and myself, it seems very unlikely that he will be released ahead unlikely that he will be released ahead unlikely that he will be released ahead of what's expected to be a February 2027 of what's expected to be a February 2027 of what's expected to be a February 2027 trial date. Meanwhile, his father, trial date. Meanwhile, his father, trial date. Meanwhile, his father, Lantrell Williams, Senior, is free on a Lantrell Williams, Senior, is free on a Lantrell Williams, Senior, is free on a $250,000 $250,000 $250,000 bond. bond. bond. And it remains unclear what's going to And it remains unclear what's going to And it remains unclear what's going to happen with any of these alleged happen with any of these alleged happen with any of these alleged conspirators both with Pushisty as well conspirators both with Pushisty as well conspirators both with Pushisty as well as anyone who may have contributed to as anyone who may have contributed to as anyone who may have contributed to his parole violations. Uh in the his parole violations. Uh in the his parole violations. Uh in the meantime, he has had a single drop with meantime, he has had a single drop with meantime, he has had a single drop with Gorilla called Maine since he was Gorilla called Maine since he was Gorilla called Maine since he was arrested. There's a music video, so arrested. There's a music video, so arrested. There's a music video, so clearly it was filmed before, but it was clearly it was filmed before, but it was clearly it was filmed before, but it was most likely released under this 1017 most likely released under this 1017 most likely released under this 1017 label, I would imagine. Uh, but that's label, I would imagine. Uh, but that's label, I would imagine. Uh, but that's where the case stands right now. I'd where the case stands right now. I'd where the case stands right now. I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on this love to know everyone's thoughts on this love to know everyone's thoughts on this case. I thought it was a wild one. I was case. I thought it was a wild one. I was case. I thought it was a wild one. I was fascinated. I want to thank Neya again

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