Wife cheats on husband with co-worker, then kills them both

Driving through the picturesque Driving through the picturesque countryside of Michigan's Upper countryside of Michigan's Upper countryside of Michigan's Upper Peninsula, you can't help but think Peninsula, you can't help but think Peninsula, you can't help but think you're in the middle of nowhere. you're in the middle of nowhere. you're in the middle of nowhere. And you can't get much more isolated And you can't get much more isolated And you can't get much more isolated than the tiny town of Iron River. than the tiny town of Iron River. than the tiny town of Iron River. >> Iron River is a small town. >> Iron River is a small town. >> Iron River is a small town. Unfortunately, I have to label it as Unfortunately, I have to label it as Unfortunately, I have to label it as kind of a depressed community um with a kind of a depressed community um with a kind of a depressed community um with a lot of problems, a lot of crime for a lot of problems, a lot of crime for a lot of problems, a lot of crime for a small town. But if you love the outdoors small town. But if you love the outdoors small town. But if you love the outdoors in icy cold winters like Chris Rean, in icy cold winters like Chris Rean, in icy cold winters like Chris Rean, Iron River is paradise. [music] Iron River is paradise. [music] Iron River is paradise. [music] And it also didn't hurt that an old And it also didn't hurt that an old And it also didn't hurt that an old girlfriend, Terry O'Donnell, lived girlfriend, Terry O'Donnell, lived girlfriend, Terry O'Donnell, lived there. there. there. >> Chris and I started dating exclusively. >> Chris and I started dating exclusively. >> Chris and I started dating exclusively. We had planned a [music] future We had planned a [music] future We had planned a [music] future together. We were planning on living together. We were planning on living together. We were planning on living together and moving to another area. together and moving to another area. together and moving to another area. >> So the next question is rather obvious. >> So the next question is rather obvious. >> So the next question is rather obvious. >> Were you in love? >> Were you in love? >> Were you in love? >> Yes. I He [music] swept me off my feet. >> Yes. I He [music] swept me off my feet. >> Yes. I He [music] swept me off my feet. Yeah. And and I truly believe Chris Yeah. And and I truly believe Chris Yeah. And and I truly believe Chris loved me. loved me. loved me. >> But Terry says there was just one >> But Terry says there was just one >> But Terry says there was just one problem. problem. problem. >> I think he had just two sides of him.

>> I think he had just two sides of him. >> I think he had just two sides of him. >> Terry says she discovered Chris's other >> Terry says she discovered Chris's other >> Terry says she discovered Chris's other side when she traveled overseas. side when she traveled overseas. side when she traveled overseas. >> He decided that he was going to um hook >> He decided that he was going to um hook >> He decided that he was going to um hook up with other women while I was in up with other women while I was in up with other women while I was in England. He told me that didn't mean England. He told me that didn't mean England. He told me that didn't mean anything. It was just nothing. anything. It was just nothing. anything. It was just nothing. >> It was just sex. >> It was just sex. >> It was just sex. >> It was just sex that had nothing [music] >> It was just sex that had nothing [music] >> It was just sex that had nothing [music] to do with his love or our relationship. to do with his love or our relationship. to do with his love or our relationship. and I didn't understand that part. and I didn't understand that part. and I didn't understand that part. >> Terry claims Chris's roving eye led to >> Terry claims Chris's roving eye led to >> Terry claims Chris's roving eye led to their split, but she says amazingly they their split, but she says amazingly they their split, but she says amazingly they still remained friends. [music] still remained friends. [music] still remained friends. [music] >> We talked all the time. We messaged each >> We talked all the time. We messaged each >> We talked all the time. We messaged each other all the time. other all the time. other all the time. >> Chris, an Air Force veteran studying for >> Chris, an Air Force veteran studying for >> Chris, an Air Force veteran studying for a business degree, decided to stay in a business degree, decided to stay in a business degree, decided to stay in Iron River and applied for a job at a Iron River and applied for a job at a Iron River and applied for a job at a local company that makes mining local company that makes mining local company that makes mining equipment. equipment. equipment. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> He went in and spoke to them about a >> He went in and spoke to them about a >> He went in and spoke to them about a job. [laughter] job. [laughter] job. [laughter] Much to my surprise, that was not the Much to my surprise, that was not the Much to my surprise, that was not the plan. plan. plan. >> So, he gets a job there. Mhm. And that's >> So, he gets a job there. Mhm. And that's >> So, he gets a job there. Mhm. And that's where he meets Kelly Cochran. where he meets Kelly Cochran. where he meets Kelly Cochran. >> Kelly Cochran, a friendly young woman >> Kelly Cochran, a friendly young woman >> Kelly Cochran, a friendly young woman who apparently liked to swing both ways.

who apparently liked to swing both ways. who apparently liked to swing both ways. >> Did he ever [music] talk about Kelly? >> Did he ever [music] talk about Kelly? >> Did he ever [music] talk about Kelly? >> No. Um, we never talked about anybody >> No. Um, we never talked about anybody >> No. Um, we never talked about anybody else that we were dating. Chris wasn't else that we were dating. Chris wasn't else that we were dating. Chris wasn't dating [music] Kelly. I think Chris and dating [music] Kelly. I think Chris and dating [music] Kelly. I think Chris and Kelly hooked up for sex and that was it. Kelly hooked up for sex and that was it. Kelly hooked up for sex and that was it. He never went anywhere with her. He was He never went anywhere with her. He was He never went anywhere with her. He was never seen in public with her. never seen in public with her. never seen in public with her. >> Maybe that's because Chris's new >> Maybe that's because Chris's new >> Maybe that's because Chris's new girlfriend girlfriend girlfriend was already married. was already married. was already married. >> The only place they went was his >> The only place they went was his >> The only place they went was his apartment apartment apartment and she was not to say anything about and she was not to say anything about and she was not to say anything about them hooking up. them hooking up. them hooking up. >> Chris rented a small apartment from >> Chris rented a small apartment from >> Chris rented a small apartment from Terry's parents right above their Terry's parents right above their Terry's parents right above their grocery store. And in [music] the next grocery store. And in [music] the next grocery store. And in [music] the next town over, Kelly lived in this modest town over, Kelly lived in this modest town over, Kelly lived in this modest house with her husband, Jason. Kelly's house with her husband, Jason. Kelly's house with her husband, Jason. Kelly's younger [music] brother, Colton, says younger [music] brother, Colton, says younger [music] brother, Colton, says they recently moved here from Marville, they recently moved here from Marville, they recently moved here from Marville, Indiana, not far from Chicago. Indiana, not far from Chicago. Indiana, not far from Chicago. Colton tells me he doesn't think Jason Colton tells me he doesn't think Jason Colton tells me he doesn't think Jason and Kelly were a good match. and Kelly were a good match. and Kelly were a good match. >> Colton, you got a look on your face. >> Colton, you got a look on your face. >> Colton, you got a look on your face. >> I actually said before they got married, >> I actually said before they got married, >> I actually said before they got married, but after they got engaged that they but after they got engaged that they but after they got engaged that they shouldn't get married. They just didn't shouldn't get married. They just didn't shouldn't get married. They just didn't fit. He was a laid-back guy. She was fit. He was a laid-back guy. She was fit. He was a laid-back guy. She was more of a go-getter.

more of a go-getter. more of a go-getter. >> Colton says Kelly's affair with Chris >> Colton says Kelly's affair with Chris >> Colton says Kelly's affair with Chris wasn't her first rodeo. wasn't her first rodeo. wasn't her first rodeo. >> Did your sister have a lot of affairs on >> Did your sister have a lot of affairs on >> Did your sister have a lot of affairs on him? him? him? >> Um, that I know of. Maybe two or three. >> Um, that I know of. Maybe two or three. >> Um, that I know of. Maybe two or three. >> So, he was jealous. >> So, he was jealous. >> So, he was jealous. >> He became jealous. >> He became jealous. >> He became jealous. >> But did Jason know that Kelly and Chris >> But did Jason know that Kelly and Chris >> But did Jason know that Kelly and Chris got together four or five times a week? got together four or five times a week? got together four or five times a week? Former Iron River Police Chief Laura Former Iron River Police Chief Laura Former Iron River Police Chief Laura Friso knows all the gossip in this town Friso knows all the gossip in this town Friso knows all the gossip in this town of 2800. of 2800. of 2800. >> Was she a married woman who was sneaking >> Was she a married woman who was sneaking >> Was she a married woman who was sneaking around or did her husband know exactly around or did her husband know exactly around or did her husband know exactly what she was doing? what she was doing? what she was doing? >> He had said that he prior he had not >> He had said that he prior he had not >> He had said that he prior he had not been aware and that um he didn't want to been aware and that um he didn't want to been aware and that um he didn't want to know about it. Jason was suicidal know about it. Jason was suicidal know about it. Jason was suicidal [music] and was having emotional [music] and was having emotional [music] and was having emotional problems and whatnot um which again problems and whatnot um which again problems and whatnot um which again seemed to be stemming from her seemed to be stemming from her seemed to be stemming from her extrammarital affairs driving him crazy. extrammarital affairs driving him crazy. extrammarital affairs driving him crazy. But what was driving Jason's love rival But what was driving Jason's love rival But what was driving Jason's love rival Chris crazy was a bum knee. Even though Chris crazy was a bum knee. Even though Chris crazy was a bum knee. Even though Chris and Terry were no longer a couple, Chris and Terry were no longer a couple, Chris and Terry were no longer a couple, he kept this sticky note from her he kept this sticky note from her he kept this sticky note from her reminding him about a doctor's reminding him about a doctor's reminding him about a doctor's appointment and he penned [music] a cute appointment and he penned [music] a cute appointment and he penned [music] a cute response. Terry wrote this note for me response. Terry wrote this note for me response. Terry wrote this note for me after I had knee surgery. I love her.

after I had knee surgery. I love her. after I had knee surgery. I love her. his job at Lakes Shore was taking a toll his job at Lakes Shore was taking a toll his job at Lakes Shore was taking a toll on his knee because he was on his feet on his knee because he was on his feet on his knee because he was on his feet all day long at work and so he needed a all day long at work and so he needed a all day long at work and so he needed a job also that wasn't so tough on his job also that wasn't so tough on his job also that wasn't so tough on his [music] body. [music] body. [music] body. >> So Chris found a desk job all the way >> So Chris found a desk job all the way >> So Chris found a desk job all the way across the country in Asheville, North across the country in Asheville, North across the country in Asheville, North Carolina. He gave his two weeks notice Carolina. He gave his two weeks notice Carolina. He gave his two weeks notice at the plant where he and Kelly worked at the plant where he and Kelly worked at the plant where he and Kelly worked and started packing. He texted me that and started packing. He texted me that and started packing. He texted me that he was going the next day for his um he was going the next day for his um he was going the next day for his um physical and drug test and he told me physical and drug test and he told me physical and drug test and he told me once he [music] got back from that he once he [music] got back from that he once he [music] got back from that he would get in touch with me or we we were would get in touch with me or we we were would get in touch with me or we we were going to go out to celebrate his new job going to go out to celebrate his new job going to go out to celebrate his new job in North Carolina. in North Carolina. in North Carolina. Terry's dreams of moving with Chris to Terry's dreams of moving with Chris to Terry's dreams of moving with Chris to another place had melted like a spring another place had melted like a spring another place had melted like a spring thaw in Michigan. But did Kelly think thaw in Michigan. But did Kelly think thaw in Michigan. But did Kelly think she was the one who would be moving to she was the one who would be moving to she was the one who would be moving to Asheville with her lover? She did make Asheville with her lover? She did make Asheville with her lover? She did make it seem like they had this like lengthy it seem like they had this like lengthy it seem like they had this like lengthy romantic, [music] you know, affair. And romantic, [music] you know, affair. And romantic, [music] you know, affair. And in fact, she even made mention that um in fact, she even made mention that um in fact, she even made mention that um he wanted her to move with him out to he wanted her to move with him out to he wanted her to move with him out to North Carolina.

North Carolina. North Carolina. >> So on one of Chris's last nights in Iron >> So on one of Chris's last nights in Iron >> So on one of Chris's last nights in Iron River, there was a first. Instead of River, there was a first. Instead of River, there was a first. Instead of Kelly coming over to his apartment, she Kelly coming over to his apartment, she Kelly coming over to his apartment, she invited him over to her house. invited him over to her house. invited him over to her house. >> She called Chris and she lured him over >> She called Chris and she lured him over >> She called Chris and she lured him over there for sex. Why would he go to her there for sex. Why would he go to her there for sex. Why would he go to her house if they had never [music] before house if they had never [music] before house if they had never [music] before been to her house for sex? been to her house for sex? been to her house for sex? >> Apparently, Kelly made an offer he >> Apparently, Kelly made an offer he >> Apparently, Kelly made an offer he couldn't refuse. I'll cook you Italian couldn't refuse. I'll cook you Italian couldn't refuse. I'll cook you Italian for dinner and give you my body for for dinner and give you my body for for dinner and give you my body for dessert. dessert. dessert. Chris Rean had just given two weeks Chris Rean had just given two weeks Chris Rean had just given two weeks notice at work. He was about to meet notice at work. He was about to meet notice at work. He was about to meet Kelly Cochran, his secret lover, from Kelly Cochran, his secret lover, from Kelly Cochran, his secret lover, from the office for lasagna and maybe a the office for lasagna and maybe a the office for lasagna and maybe a little fooling around. His friend Terry little fooling around. His friend Terry little fooling around. His friend Terry O'Donnell says she never heard from him O'Donnell says she never heard from him O'Donnell says she never heard from him after that. after that. after that. >> I got really concerned and started >> I got really concerned and started >> I got really concerned and started asking um people if they had seen him asking um people if they had seen him asking um people if they had seen him around and one of the guys that he works around and one of the guys that he works around and one of the guys that he works with just assumed that he had left. He with just assumed that he had left. He with just assumed that he had left. He just didn't come back to work. just didn't come back to work. just didn't come back to work. >> Terry spent nearly two excruciating >> Terry spent nearly two excruciating >> Terry spent nearly two excruciating weeks with no word from Chris. Frantic weeks with no word from Chris. Frantic weeks with no word from Chris. Frantic and in full panic mode, she went to the and in full panic mode, she went to the and in full panic mode, she went to the apartment Chris rented from her parents.

apartment Chris rented from her parents. apartment Chris rented from her parents. the shambles. It was a wreck. Stuff the shambles. It was a wreck. Stuff the shambles. It was a wreck. Stuff scattered everywhere. Dirty dishes all scattered everywhere. Dirty dishes all scattered everywhere. Dirty dishes all crusted in the kitchen sink. Red goo in crusted in the kitchen sink. Red goo in crusted in the kitchen sink. Red goo in the bottom of its wine glass. The the bottom of its wine glass. The the bottom of its wine glass. The windows were open. The apartment was windows were open. The apartment was windows were open. The apartment was cool. His medication was all there. I cool. His medication was all there. I cool. His medication was all there. I mean, he hadn't been there. He was gone. mean, he hadn't been there. He was gone. mean, he hadn't been there. He was gone. It's like he vanished. It's like he vanished. It's like he vanished. >> He vanished. >> He vanished. >> He vanished. >> Vanished. But where and how? Chris >> Vanished. But where and how? Chris >> Vanished. But where and how? Chris recently had knee surgery, so he recently had knee surgery, so he recently had knee surgery, so he couldn't have walked into the couldn't have walked into the couldn't have walked into the wilderness. Somehow his car ended up in wilderness. Somehow his car ended up in wilderness. Somehow his car ended up in a park and ride lot 4 miles east of a park and ride lot 4 miles east of a park and ride lot 4 miles east of town. town. town. >> And I said he would never leave his car >> And I said he would never leave his car >> And I said he would never leave his car at the park and ride. And so I drove out at the park and ride. And so I drove out at the park and ride. And so I drove out there and sure enough there was Chris's there and sure enough there was Chris's there and sure enough there was Chris's car sitting there. And I looked in and car sitting there. And I looked in and car sitting there. And I looked in and his things were in there. Inside the car his things were in there. Inside the car his things were in there. Inside the car was his knee brace, his water bottle. So was his knee brace, his water bottle. So was his knee brace, his water bottle. So then what did you do? then what did you do? then what did you do? >> I drove over to the police department to >> I drove over to the police department to >> I drove over to the police department to report him as a missing person. I saw report him as a missing person. I saw report him as a missing person. I saw this woman pull up in front of the this woman pull up in front of the this woman pull up in front of the police department and I noticed the police department and I noticed the police department and I noticed the woman was crying and she turned and woman was crying and she turned and woman was crying and she turned and looked at me and just kind of stood looked at me and just kind of stood looked at me and just kind of stood there crying like she needed help. Laura there crying like she needed help. Laura there crying like she needed help. Laura Friso was then the police chief of Iron Friso was then the police chief of Iron Friso was then the police chief of Iron River.

River. River. >> I asked her, you know, who did Chris >> I asked her, you know, who did Chris >> I asked her, you know, who did Chris Reagan hang out with and she did mention Reagan hang out with and she did mention Reagan hang out with and she did mention to me that she had heard a rumor that he to me that she had heard a rumor that he to me that she had heard a rumor that he was seeing some married woman at the was seeing some married woman at the was seeing some married woman at the workplace. workplace. workplace. >> So, what happened next? >> So, what happened next? >> So, what happened next? >> I called the human resources director. >> I called the human resources director. >> I called the human resources director. She also had told me that she heard the She also had told me that she heard the She also had told me that she heard the rumor that Chris was um having an affair rumor that Chris was um having an affair rumor that Chris was um having an affair with Kelly Cochran. with Kelly Cochran. with Kelly Cochran. >> So now two people, Chris's friend Terry >> So now two people, Chris's friend Terry >> So now two people, Chris's friend Terry and the HR director at his office tell and the HR director at his office tell and the HR director at his office tell Chief Friso about the affair. Chief Friso about the affair. Chief Friso about the affair. >> So right now you have a missing man. You >> So right now you have a missing man. You >> So right now you have a missing man. You have a love triangle and the man who's have a love triangle and the man who's have a love triangle and the man who's missing from the love triangle is the missing from the love triangle is the missing from the love triangle is the boyfriend, the the one who was having boyfriend, the the one who was having boyfriend, the the one who was having the affair with the wife. the affair with the wife. the affair with the wife. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Everyone else thought it was what? >> Everyone else thought it was what? >> Everyone else thought it was what? >> We had a difference of opinion. The >> We had a difference of opinion. The >> We had a difference of opinion. The detective that was basically in charge detective that was basically in charge detective that was basically in charge had said over and over again that Chris had said over and over again that Chris had said over and over again that Chris Reagan disappeared because he wanted to, Reagan disappeared because he wanted to, Reagan disappeared because he wanted to, that he either killed himself or just that he either killed himself or just that he either killed himself or just disappeared. disappeared. disappeared. >> But Chief Friso's dogged determination >> But Chief Friso's dogged determination >> But Chief Friso's dogged determination convinced the other detectives. In convinced the other detectives. In convinced the other detectives. In Chris's car, they found a key clue Chris's car, they found a key clue Chris's car, they found a key clue pointing straight to Kelly.

pointing straight to Kelly. pointing straight to Kelly. >> On the front passenger seat was a small >> On the front passenger seat was a small >> On the front passenger seat was a small piece of paper with directions written piece of paper with directions written piece of paper with directions written on it, and the directions were to Kelly on it, and the directions were to Kelly on it, and the directions were to Kelly Cochran's house. Cochran's house. Cochran's house. >> Bingo. >> Bingo. >> Bingo. >> Right. What's your gut telling you? >> Right. What's your gut telling you? >> Right. What's your gut telling you? >> My gut is telling me that we need to >> My gut is telling me that we need to >> My gut is telling me that we need to make contact with this Kelly Cochran. make contact with this Kelly Cochran. make contact with this Kelly Cochran. >> Cops and Michigan State Police converge >> Cops and Michigan State Police converge >> Cops and Michigan State Police converge on the house Kelly shared with her on the house Kelly shared with her on the house Kelly shared with her husband Jason and aren't exactly greeted husband Jason and aren't exactly greeted husband Jason and aren't exactly greeted with open arms. with open arms. with open arms. >> When they arrived there, the sergeant >> When they arrived there, the sergeant >> When they arrived there, the sergeant said they pulled up out front and one of said they pulled up out front and one of said they pulled up out front and one of the troopers made mention to her that he the troopers made mention to her that he the troopers made mention to her that he saw someone standing in an upstairs saw someone standing in an upstairs saw someone standing in an upstairs window looking [music] out. When they window looking [music] out. When they window looking [music] out. When they went to the door, they were greeted by a went to the door, they were greeted by a went to the door, they were greeted by a man. Asked if Kelly was home. The man man. Asked if Kelly was home. The man man. Asked if Kelly was home. The man said, "Uh, no, she's not here and she said, "Uh, no, she's not here and she said, "Uh, no, she's not here and she she hasn't done anything wrong." she hasn't done anything wrong." she hasn't done anything wrong." >> Red flag number one, Jason lied. Kelly >> Red flag number one, Jason lied. Kelly >> Red flag number one, Jason lied. Kelly was there. She was the shadowy figure in was there. She was the shadowy figure in was there. She was the shadowy figure in the upstairs window. the upstairs window. the upstairs window. >> Shortly thereafter, Kelly came down and >> Shortly thereafter, Kelly came down and >> Shortly thereafter, Kelly came down and actually came to the door. So, Kelly actually came to the door. So, Kelly actually came to the door. So, Kelly says she hadn't seen Chris for a couple says she hadn't seen Chris for a couple says she hadn't seen Chris for a couple days. She had no idea where he could be. days. She had no idea where he could be. days. She had no idea where he could be. >> Red flag number two. Just a couple of >> Red flag number two. Just a couple of >> Red flag number two. Just a couple of days. At this [music] point, it's been days. At this [music] point, it's been days. At this [music] point, it's been more than 2 weeks since anyone has seen more than 2 weeks since anyone has seen more than 2 weeks since anyone has seen or heard from Chris.

or heard from Chris. or heard from Chris. >> Did she describe what kind of >> Did she describe what kind of >> Did she describe what kind of relationship she had with Chris? relationship she had with Chris? relationship she had with Chris? >> Well, she didn't go into detail, but she >> Well, she didn't go into detail, but she >> Well, she didn't go into detail, but she did admit they had a a romantic did admit they had a a romantic did admit they had a a romantic relationship going on. relationship going on. relationship going on. >> Then what happens? >> Then what happens? >> Then what happens? >> Sergeant called me and said, "There's >> Sergeant called me and said, "There's >> Sergeant called me and said, "There's something wrong." She asked Kelly, something wrong." She asked Kelly, something wrong." She asked Kelly, "Would it be unusual for Chris to have "Would it be unusual for Chris to have "Would it be unusual for Chris to have left his vehicle at this parking ride?" left his vehicle at this parking ride?" left his vehicle at this parking ride?" Kelly's response was, "Yes, that would Kelly's response was, "Yes, that would Kelly's response was, "Yes, that would be unusual. He loved that car." Past be unusual. He loved that car." Past be unusual. He loved that car." Past tense. tense. tense. >> Red flag number three. He loved that >> Red flag number three. He loved that >> Red flag number three. He loved that car. car. car. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> As opposed to saying he loves that car. >> As opposed to saying he loves that car. >> As opposed to saying he loves that car. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Those red flags were waving in the winds >> Those red flags were waving in the winds >> Those red flags were waving in the winds of suspicion. Cops asked Kelly and her of suspicion. Cops asked Kelly and her of suspicion. Cops asked Kelly and her husband Jason to come down to the husband Jason to come down to the husband Jason to come down to the station for an interview. Jason is in station for an interview. Jason is in station for an interview. Jason is in the hot seat first. And instead of the hot seat first. And instead of the hot seat first. And instead of talking about Chris, he oddly tells talking about Chris, he oddly tells talking about Chris, he oddly tells detectives if he sneezes he can't walk. detectives if he sneezes he can't walk. detectives if he sneezes he can't walk. >> I have like back issues. We used to call >> I have like back issues. We used to call >> I have like back issues. We used to call them split discs. Now they call them them split discs. Now they call them them split discs. Now they call them bulging and deteriorating discs. So if I bulging and deteriorating discs. So if I bulging and deteriorating discs. So if I sneeze or move wrong, a lot of times I sneeze or move wrong, a lot of times I sneeze or move wrong, a lot of times I can't walk or can't stand up straight can't walk or can't stand up straight can't walk or can't stand up straight for months at a time.

for months at a time. for months at a time. >> It's like you have a person missing. Why >> It's like you have a person missing. Why >> It's like you have a person missing. Why are you telling me about your back pain? are you telling me about your back pain? are you telling me about your back pain? >> He's trying to um kind [music] of change >> He's trying to um kind [music] of change >> He's trying to um kind [music] of change directions on what the focus is. Um so directions on what the focus is. Um so directions on what the focus is. Um so that maybe they won't look at him as a that maybe they won't look at him as a that maybe they won't look at him as a possible suspect. possible suspect. possible suspect. >> Then it's Kelly's turn. And it's >> Then it's Kelly's turn. And it's >> Then it's Kelly's turn. And it's probably a good thing Jason wasn't in probably a good thing Jason wasn't in probably a good thing Jason wasn't in the room. the room. the room. >> I love Chris. >> I love Chris. >> I love Chris. She describes in graphic detail the She describes in graphic detail the She describes in graphic detail the animal passion in her secret love life. animal passion in her secret love life. animal passion in her secret love life. >> A lot of times we didn't actually make >> A lot of times we didn't actually make >> A lot of times we didn't actually make it to the bedroom. it to the bedroom. it to the bedroom. >> You could have been in the living room. >> You could have been in the living room. >> You could have been in the living room. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you remember where you were the last >> Do you remember where you were the last >> Do you remember where you were the last time? time? time? >> I think it was in the living room. >> I think it was in the living room. >> I think it was in the living room. >> And then Kelly said something that >> And then Kelly said something that >> And then Kelly said something that raised everyone's eyebrows. She claims raised everyone's eyebrows. She claims raised everyone's eyebrows. She claims Chris didn't come over for dinner even Chris didn't come over for dinner even Chris didn't come over for dinner even though cops found the directions to her though cops found the directions to her though cops found the directions to her house in his car. On that last day, you house in his car. On that last day, you house in his car. On that last day, you went and brought dinner went and brought dinner went and brought dinner >> and you brought what? >> and you brought what? >> and you brought what? >> Lasagna. >> Lasagna. >> Lasagna. >> So, you brought a pan of lasagna. >> So, you brought a pan of lasagna. >> So, you brought a pan of lasagna. >> I plate. >> I plate. >> I plate. >> You brought a plate with pieces of >> You brought a plate with pieces of >> You brought a plate with pieces of lasagna or what? lasagna or what? lasagna or what? >> Brought a plate of lasagna and you made >> Brought a plate of lasagna and you made >> Brought a plate of lasagna and you made a garlic bread and then cooked it in the a garlic bread and then cooked it in the a garlic bread and then cooked it in the oven.

oven. oven. >> I'm not I think it was a skillet. >> I'm not I think it was a skillet. >> I'm not I think it was a skillet. >> Her phone records and the communication >> Her phone records and the communication >> Her phone records and the communication with Chris Reagan indicate that she with Chris Reagan indicate that she with Chris Reagan indicate that she wasn't at his apartment at that time wasn't at his apartment at that time wasn't at his apartment at that time because they were communicating after because they were communicating after because they were communicating after that. that. that. And this surveillance video shows Kelly And this surveillance video shows Kelly And this surveillance video shows Kelly was at Chris's apartment 2 days after he was at Chris's apartment 2 days after he was at Chris's apartment 2 days after he seemingly vanished. seemingly vanished. seemingly vanished. >> Did you ever see her with the lasagna? >> Did you ever see her with the lasagna? >> Did you ever see her with the lasagna? >> No. And actually, um, that was the first >> No. And actually, um, that was the first >> No. And actually, um, that was the first thing I looked for when we did get the thing I looked for when we did get the thing I looked for when we did get the search warrant to go in. Uh, was any search warrant to go in. Uh, was any search warrant to go in. Uh, was any remnants [music] of lasagna? remnants [music] of lasagna? remnants [music] of lasagna? >> No lasagna, no Chris, and no evidence to >> No lasagna, no Chris, and no evidence to >> No lasagna, no Chris, and no evidence to connect Kelly and Jason to his connect Kelly and Jason to his connect Kelly and Jason to his disappearance. Soon after, the couple disappearance. Soon after, the couple disappearance. Soon after, the couple moves back to Indiana. Chief Frizzo moves back to Indiana. Chief Frizzo moves back to Indiana. Chief Frizzo thinks they've killed Chris, and she thinks they've killed Chris, and she thinks they've killed Chris, and she wonders, could there be hidden clues wonders, could there be hidden clues wonders, could there be hidden clues still lurking in the house where they still lurking in the house where they still lurking in the house where they once lived. once lived. once lived. Chris Rean stops at a gas station to Chris Rean stops at a gas station to Chris Rean stops at a gas station to fill his tank on the way to his lover, fill his tank on the way to his lover, fill his tank on the way to his lover, Kelly Cochran's house. This surveillance Kelly Cochran's house. This surveillance Kelly Cochran's house. This surveillance video, the last known image of him video, the last known image of him video, the last known image of him alive. And police chief Laura Friso says alive. And police chief Laura Friso says alive. And police chief Laura Friso says she knows what happened to him. Kelly she knows what happened to him. Kelly she knows what happened to him. Kelly and her husband Jason killed him. My and her husband Jason killed him. My and her husband Jason killed him. My theory was that these two people were theory was that these two people were theory was that these two people were responsible for Chris Reagan's responsible for Chris Reagan's responsible for Chris Reagan's disappearance. Definitely believed that disappearance. Definitely believed that disappearance. Definitely believed that they murdered him and that they were they murdered him and that they were they murdered him and that they were going to try and get away with it. Get going to try and get away with it. Get going to try and get away with it. Get away. They did. Quickly moving out of away. They did. Quickly moving out of away. They did. Quickly moving out of the house, leaving most everything the house, leaving most everything the house, leaving most everything behind and heading back to [music] behind and heading back to [music] behind and heading back to [music] Indiana. And Chief Friso says either of Indiana. And Chief Friso says either of Indiana. And Chief Friso says either of them had a motive for murder. After all,

them had a motive for murder. After all, them had a motive for murder. After all, Chris was Kelly's secret lover. But the Chris was Kelly's secret lover. But the Chris was Kelly's secret lover. But the chief doesn't have the proof to make a chief doesn't have the proof to make a chief doesn't have the proof to make a murder charge stick. Not just yet. murder charge stick. Not just yet. murder charge stick. Not just yet. >> When you finally went into the Cochran >> When you finally went into the Cochran >> When you finally went into the Cochran home, did you find anything? Yes. home, did you find anything? Yes. home, did you find anything? Yes. [music] When we first went in, I thought [music] When we first went in, I thought [music] When we first went in, I thought that we hit the jackpot. that we hit the jackpot. that we hit the jackpot. >> What she says looks like blood. You >> What she says looks like blood. You >> What she says looks like blood. You could see some patterns on the ceiling could see some patterns on the ceiling could see some patterns on the ceiling above the door where uh you entered the above the door where uh you entered the above the door where uh you entered the front of the house, identical to what it front of the house, identical to what it front of the house, identical to what it would look like if someone had assaulted would look like if someone had assaulted would look like if someone had assaulted someone with a weapon and and the spray, someone with a weapon and and the spray, someone with a weapon and and the spray, you know, off onto the ceiling. you know, off onto the ceiling. you know, off onto the ceiling. >> Are you trying to say that the patterns >> Are you trying to say that the patterns >> Are you trying to say that the patterns on the ceiling look like someone had on the ceiling look like someone had on the ceiling look like someone had been shot in the head and everything been shot in the head and everything been shot in the head and everything went like this? went like this? went like this? >> Or actually more so if if if someone had >> Or actually more so if if if someone had >> Or actually more so if if if someone had um been hit with an object like a bat or um been hit with an object like a bat or um been hit with an object like a bat or whatever. whatever. whatever. >> What else did you find? We found a >> What else did you find? We found a >> What else did you find? We found a loaded 22 pistol uh under the TV in the loaded 22 pistol uh under the TV in the loaded 22 pistol uh under the TV in the living room. living room. living room. >> But without a body, it's impossible to >> But without a body, it's impossible to >> But without a body, it's impossible to determine if that 22 was used to kill determine if that 22 was used to kill determine if that 22 was used to kill Chris. Chief Frizzo was stretched to the Chris. Chief Frizzo was stretched to the Chris. Chief Frizzo was stretched to the limit because her small force was limit because her small force was limit because her small force was investigating two unrelated homicides.

investigating two unrelated homicides. investigating two unrelated homicides. >> She needed all the help she could get. >> She needed all the help she could get. >> She needed all the help she could get. >> So, retired Michigan State Police >> So, retired Michigan State Police >> So, retired Michigan State Police Sergeant Michael Niger volunteered his Sergeant Michael Niger volunteered his Sergeant Michael Niger volunteered his help. So, what is all of this here? What help. So, what is all of this here? What help. So, what is all of this here? What is this? is this? is this? >> This is all of the work, you know, that >> This is all of the work, you know, that >> This is all of the work, you know, that I did for um Chief Freso on this case. I did for um Chief Freso on this case. I did for um Chief Freso on this case. >> And what Niger found would shift the >> And what Niger found would shift the >> And what Niger found would shift the investigation from a missing person into investigation from a missing person into investigation from a missing person into a murder case. Niger conducted a fresh a murder case. Niger conducted a fresh a murder case. Niger conducted a fresh search of Chris's car that was abandoned search of Chris's car that was abandoned search of Chris's car that was abandoned in the park and ride lot. in the park and ride lot. in the park and ride lot. >> Did you find anything? Yes, we we found >> Did you find anything? Yes, we we found >> Did you find anything? Yes, we we found a lot of fibers, a lot of hair, uh and a lot of fibers, a lot of hair, uh and a lot of fibers, a lot of hair, uh and and we found a um stocking cap, and and we found a um stocking cap, and and we found a um stocking cap, and there was a discussion about some leaves there was a discussion about some leaves there was a discussion about some leaves being seen trapped in the trunk lid. In being seen trapped in the trunk lid. In being seen trapped in the trunk lid. In other words, the trunk lid was closed on other words, the trunk lid was closed on other words, the trunk lid was closed on leaves. And I'd heard that, and I said, leaves. And I'd heard that, and I said, leaves. And I'd heard that, and I said, "Boy, that's important for what I do "Boy, that's important for what I do "Boy, that's important for what I do because we can decide find out what kind because we can decide find out what kind because we can decide find out what kind of leaves those are, what kind of trees, of leaves those are, what kind of trees, of leaves those are, what kind of trees, and then we might know where uh and then we might know where uh and then we might know where uh potentially where the body was disposed potentially where the body was disposed potentially where the body was disposed of because, you know, it's it's unusual of because, you know, it's it's unusual of because, you know, it's it's unusual to have leaves trapped, you know, in the to have leaves trapped, you know, in the to have leaves trapped, you know, in the trunk." trunk." trunk." unusual because there are no trees unusual because there are no trees unusual because there are no trees outside Chris's apartment, but there are outside Chris's apartment, but there are outside Chris's apartment, but there are plenty of leafy trees outside Kelly's plenty of leafy trees outside Kelly's plenty of leafy trees outside Kelly's house. In fact, Niger says he and Chief house. In fact, Niger says he and Chief house. In fact, Niger says he and Chief Frizzo found that the GPS device in Frizzo found that the GPS device in Frizzo found that the GPS device in Chris's car proves he was at her house Chris's car proves he was at her house Chris's car proves he was at her house the day he went missing.

the day he went missing. the day he went missing. >> The car had been there. Yes. >> The car had been there. Yes. >> The car had been there. Yes. >> And Niger says he found something even >> And Niger says he found something even >> And Niger says he found something even more incriminating in Kelly's digital more incriminating in Kelly's digital more incriminating in Kelly's digital footprint. Sometimes people when they're footprint. Sometimes people when they're footprint. Sometimes people when they're going to commit a crime, they will go going to commit a crime, they will go going to commit a crime, they will go and search stuff on Google like, you and search stuff on Google like, you and search stuff on Google like, you know, how to dispose of a body. Evidence know, how to dispose of a body. Evidence know, how to dispose of a body. Evidence I found on the computers where Google I found on the computers where Google I found on the computers where Google images, satellite imagery of the Caspian images, satellite imagery of the Caspian images, satellite imagery of the Caspian Pit, Pit, Pit, >> the Caspian Pit, an abandoned mine pit >> the Caspian Pit, an abandoned mine pit >> the Caspian Pit, an abandoned mine pit outside of town filled with deep and outside of town filled with deep and outside of town filled with deep and murky water. Divers didn't find Chris, murky water. Divers didn't find Chris, murky water. Divers didn't find Chris, but they found something else, a burn but they found something else, a burn but they found something else, a burn barrel. So, when they locate this um barrel. So, when they locate this um barrel. So, when they locate this um burn barrel in the pit um they note that burn barrel in the pit um they note that burn barrel in the pit um they note that there's like what appears to be like a there's like what appears to be like a there's like what appears to be like a laundry cable wrapped around it um or laundry cable wrapped around it um or laundry cable wrapped around it um or tied to it as well as a cement block. tied to it as well as a cement block. tied to it as well as a cement block. The Cochrans had a burn pit in in their The Cochrans had a burn pit in in their The Cochrans had a burn pit in in their um backyard and that burn barrel was um backyard and that burn barrel was um backyard and that burn barrel was missing. missing. missing. >> Do you know for sure that that was their >> Do you know for sure that that was their >> Do you know for sure that that was their burn barrel? burn barrel? burn barrel? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> And did any DNA evidence ever? >> And did any DNA evidence ever? >> And did any DNA evidence ever? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Still not enough. So, Chief Friso throws >> Still not enough. So, Chief Friso throws >> Still not enough. So, Chief Friso throws a Hail Mary. I mean, I try anything.

a Hail Mary. I mean, I try anything. a Hail Mary. I mean, I try anything. >> In an unconventional move, Chief Frizzo >> In an unconventional move, Chief Frizzo >> In an unconventional move, Chief Frizzo calls upon the spirit world to help. The calls upon the spirit world to help. The calls upon the spirit world to help. The chief hired a psychic medium who, in a chief hired a psychic medium who, in a chief hired a psychic medium who, in a Crime Watch Daily exclusive, takes us Crime Watch Daily exclusive, takes us Crime Watch Daily exclusive, takes us inside Kelly's house, where she says she inside Kelly's house, where she says she inside Kelly's house, where she says she received visions of violence. received visions of violence. received visions of violence. >> So, this is where I got most of my >> So, this is where I got most of my >> So, this is where I got most of my [music] feeling before the door was [music] feeling before the door was [music] feeling before the door was open. Um, and as I walked up here, open. Um, and as I walked up here, open. Um, and as I walked up here, immediately I saw all of this and I immediately I saw all of this and I immediately I saw all of this and I [music] really didn't need to go any [music] really didn't need to go any [music] really didn't need to go any further because I knew this is exactly further because I knew this is exactly further because I knew this is exactly what I had seen in my vision. what I had seen in my vision. what I had seen in my vision. >> Well, what did you see in your vision? >> Well, what did you see in your vision? >> Well, what did you see in your vision? >> Uh, the three steps, the tile on the >> Uh, the three steps, the tile on the >> Uh, the three steps, the tile on the floor was exactly the same. Um, and this floor was exactly the same. Um, and this floor was exactly the same. Um, and this is where I saw that Chris had been um is where I saw that Chris had been um is where I saw that Chris had been um attacked. attacked. attacked. >> And did you know how he had been >> And did you know how he had been >> And did you know how he had been attacked or where he had been attacked? attacked or where he had been attacked? attacked or where he had been attacked? What I got was on that day that I came What I got was on that day that I came What I got was on that day that I came here um that he had walked up the steps, here um that he had walked up the steps, here um that he had walked up the steps, got up to the doorway, saw something was got up to the doorway, saw something was got up to the doorway, saw something was a miss. He turned around to leave and as a miss. He turned around to leave and as a miss. He turned around to leave and as he was leaving, he got hit with he was leaving, he got hit with he was leaving, he got hit with something in the back of the head. I something in the back of the head. I something in the back of the head. I thought it might be a baseball bat. I thought it might be a baseball bat. I thought it might be a baseball bat. I didn't know if it was a gun or what.

didn't know if it was a gun or what. didn't know if it was a gun or what. Laura asked me to walk up the stairs Laura asked me to walk up the stairs Laura asked me to walk up the stairs because she wanted me to come into this because she wanted me to come into this because she wanted me to come into this area and I didn't need to because I said area and I didn't need to because I said area and I didn't need to because I said he never even made it there. he never even made it there. he never even made it there. >> Did you see this as an image? Did it >> Did you see this as an image? Did it >> Did you see this as an image? Did it come across as a voice? Like how how did come across as a voice? Like how how did come across as a voice? Like how how did you see this? you see this? you see this? >> It comes as like a knowing and the um as >> It comes as like a knowing and the um as >> It comes as like a knowing and the um as an image. So it's combination. It's an image. So it's combination. It's an image. So it's combination. It's almost like I'm stepped back into almost like I'm stepped back into almost like I'm stepped back into reality to that reality. I'm like a fly reality to that reality. I'm like a fly reality to that reality. I'm like a fly on the wall. on the wall. on the wall. >> But a psychic premonition isn't proof >> But a psychic premonition isn't proof >> But a psychic premonition isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Now the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Now the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Now the case grows ice cold with Kelly and Jason in grows ice cold with Kelly and Jason in grows ice cold with Kelly and Jason in Indiana. Would cops ever find the Indiana. Would cops ever find the Indiana. Would cops ever find the answers they want? What did Kelly and answers they want? What did Kelly and answers they want? What did Kelly and her husband say to all of you when they her husband say to all of you when they her husband say to all of you when they all of a sudden showed up in Indiana? all of a sudden showed up in Indiana? all of a sudden showed up in Indiana? >> They said they had enough of being >> They said they had enough of being >> They said they had enough of being harassed by law enforcement over the harassed by law enforcement over the harassed by law enforcement over the death of Chris, them investigating them death of Chris, them investigating them death of Chris, them investigating them for it. for it. for it. >> But Kelly was still up to her old ways. >> But Kelly was still up to her old ways. >> But Kelly was still up to her old ways. Chief Friso says she was cheating on Chief Friso says she was cheating on Chief Friso says she was cheating on Jason, but this time with a woman. She Jason, but this time with a woman. She Jason, but this time with a woman. She had actually asked this woman that to be had actually asked this woman that to be had actually asked this woman that to be in a a serious relationship with her and in a a serious relationship with her and in a a serious relationship with her and you know [music] more meaningful you know [music] more meaningful you know [music] more meaningful relationship and the girl said she relationship and the girl said she relationship and the girl said she would.

would. would. >> Kelly was still married but not for >> Kelly was still married but not for >> Kelly was still married but not for long. long. long. >> Wake County 911. He's bleeding barely. I >> Wake County 911. He's bleeding barely. I >> Wake County 911. He's bleeding barely. I don't know what's wrong. He's throwing don't know what's wrong. He's throwing don't know what's wrong. He's throwing off these sweaties. off these sweaties. off these sweaties. >> She's about to become a widow. >> She's about to become a widow. >> She's about to become a widow. >> The paramedics arrive and what condition >> The paramedics arrive and what condition >> The paramedics arrive and what condition is [music] Jason in? is [music] Jason in? is [music] Jason in? >> He's not breathing. He's he's dead. >> He's not breathing. He's he's dead. >> He's not breathing. He's he's dead. >> And what's Kelly doing? getting in their >> And what's Kelly doing? getting in their >> And what's Kelly doing? getting in their way, acting distraught, and overacting. way, acting distraught, and overacting. way, acting distraught, and overacting. >> Kelly claims her deeply depressed >> Kelly claims her deeply depressed >> Kelly claims her deeply depressed husband overdosed on heroin. But is this husband overdosed on heroin. But is this husband overdosed on heroin. But is this habitual liar just talking smack? habitual liar just talking smack? habitual liar just talking smack? Is Kelly Cochran the bisexual black Is Kelly Cochran the bisexual black Is Kelly Cochran the bisexual black widow? widow? widow? She sensationally claims her husband She sensationally claims her husband She sensationally claims her husband Jason died from a heroin overdose. But Jason died from a heroin overdose. But Jason died from a heroin overdose. But is she telling the truth? is she telling the truth? is she telling the truth? When you heard that Jason was dead, what When you heard that Jason was dead, what When you heard that Jason was dead, what did you think? did you think? did you think? >> I just couldn't believe it. I knew that >> I just couldn't believe it. I knew that >> I just couldn't believe it. I knew that Kelly killed him. Kelly killed him. Kelly killed him. >> Why do you think Kelly killed her >> Why do you think Kelly killed her >> Why do you think Kelly killed her husband? husband? husband? >> I think that she killed her husband >> I think that she killed her husband >> I think that she killed her husband because he was probably a liability for because he was probably a liability for because he was probably a liability for her. She was concerned that he was going her. She was concerned that he was going her. She was concerned that he was going to end up talking about things and she to end up talking about things and she to end up talking about things and she was going to get in trouble.

was going to get in trouble. was going to get in trouble. >> Things like [music] the unsolved >> Things like [music] the unsolved >> Things like [music] the unsolved disappearance of her lover Chris Rean in disappearance of her lover Chris Rean in disappearance of her lover Chris Rean in Iron River, Michigan. Iron River, Michigan. Iron River, Michigan. Now, the suspicious death of Kelly's Now, the suspicious death of Kelly's Now, the suspicious death of Kelly's husband gives Chief Friso a fresh husband gives Chief Friso a fresh husband gives Chief Friso a fresh opportunity to get Kelly to talk about opportunity to get Kelly to talk about opportunity to get Kelly to talk about Chris. The chief asks Hobart, Indiana Chris. The chief asks Hobart, Indiana Chris. The chief asks Hobart, Indiana police detective Jeremy Ogden to speak police detective Jeremy Ogden to speak police detective Jeremy Ogden to speak to her. to her. to her. >> Right from the get- go, there was some >> Right from the get- go, there was some >> Right from the get- go, there was some kind of very strange um like attraction kind of very strange um like attraction kind of very strange um like attraction or connection that she had to him or or connection that she had to him or or connection that she had to him or whatever it was, but she singled him whatever it was, but she singled him whatever it was, but she singled him out. out. out. That attraction seemed to surface in That attraction seemed to surface in That attraction seemed to surface in this cat and mouse game of text between this cat and mouse game of text between this cat and mouse game of text between Kelly and Detective Ogden. Ever been to Kelly and Detective Ogden. Ever been to Kelly and Detective Ogden. Ever been to the West Coast? I was driving last the West Coast? I was driving last the West Coast? I was driving last night. Very interesting. Game on. No night. Very interesting. Game on. No night. Very interesting. Game on. No more play. Your move, detective. See you more play. Your move, detective. See you more play. Your move, detective. See you soon. soon. soon. >> He was able to lead her to believe that >> He was able to lead her to believe that >> He was able to lead her to believe that he was sympathetic towards her and he he was sympathetic towards her and he he was sympathetic towards her and he believed her and he won her over.

believed her and he won her over. believed her and he won her over. But Ogden hasn't been able to nab her But Ogden hasn't been able to nab her But Ogden hasn't been able to nab her yet. Kelly had fled to Kentucky. yet. Kelly had fled to Kentucky. yet. Kelly had fled to Kentucky. US marshals picked her up and while in US marshals picked her up and while in US marshals picked her up and while in the local jail, she fashioned these the local jail, she fashioned these the local jail, she fashioned these shanks out of eyeglasses. shanks out of eyeglasses. shanks out of eyeglasses. >> Well, who do you think she was going to >> Well, who do you think she was going to >> Well, who do you think she was going to kill? kill? kill? >> Well, she made comment that she was >> Well, she made comment that she was >> Well, she made comment that she was going to stab female corrections going to stab female corrections going to stab female corrections officer, but changed her mind. officer, but changed her mind. officer, but changed her mind. >> You have the right to remain silent. >> You have the right to remain silent. >> You have the right to remain silent. >> In the interrogation room, Kelly says, >> In the interrogation room, Kelly says, >> In the interrogation room, Kelly says, "Let's make a deal. I'll talk for a "Let's make a deal. I'll talk for a "Let's make a deal. I'll talk for a price. Immunity from prosecution. price. Immunity from prosecution. price. Immunity from prosecution. >> Say I'm here to cooperate. However, I >> Say I'm here to cooperate. However, I >> Say I'm here to cooperate. However, I will not cooperate if there's any will not cooperate if there's any will not cooperate if there's any charges brought to me. I've seen how charges brought to me. I've seen how charges brought to me. I've seen how easy it is for you to get a search easy it is for you to get a search easy it is for you to get a search warrant. I see how it is for you pretty warrant. I see how it is for you pretty warrant. I see how it is for you pretty much to go through anything of people's much to go through anything of people's much to go through anything of people's stuff. Um, I think you can arrange stuff. Um, I think you can arrange stuff. Um, I think you can arrange something like that for me. something like that for me. something like that for me. >> No way would cops ever cut a deal like >> No way would cops ever cut a deal like >> No way would cops ever cut a deal like that. So, Kelly shuts her mouth. that. So, Kelly shuts her mouth. that. So, Kelly shuts her mouth. Now, Chief Frizzo uses her new tool to Now, Chief Frizzo uses her new tool to Now, Chief Frizzo uses her new tool to pry it wide open.

pry it wide open. pry it wide open. >> She was so attached to him is because he >> She was so attached to him is because he >> She was so attached to him is because he actually was able to do to her what she actually was able to do to her what she actually was able to do to her what she does to everyone else, and that is, you does to everyone else, and that is, you does to everyone else, and that is, you know, kind of trick her and manipulate know, kind of trick her and manipulate know, kind of trick her and manipulate her. her. her. >> So, Ogden [music] sets an almost >> So, Ogden [music] sets an almost >> So, Ogden [music] sets an almost unbelievable trap. unbelievable trap. unbelievable trap. He asks a friend of Jason's to make up a He asks a friend of Jason's to make up a He asks a friend of Jason's to make up a story that will freak Kelly out. His story that will freak Kelly out. His story that will freak Kelly out. His idea was, you know, I want you to make idea was, you know, I want you to make idea was, you know, I want you to make this phone call to Kelly and I want you this phone call to Kelly and I want you this phone call to Kelly and I want you to tell her that you received in the to tell her that you received in the to tell her that you received in the mail this letter from Jason and in this mail this letter from Jason and in this mail this letter from Jason and in this letter there's a note that says, "If letter there's a note that says, "If letter there's a note that says, "If something should happen to me, please something should happen to me, please something should happen to me, please mail this letter to the Iron River mail this letter to the Iron River mail this letter to the Iron River Police Department." She fell for it and Police Department." She fell for it and Police Department." She fell for it and her initial responses were huge. She her initial responses were huge. She her initial responses were huge. She broke down and started crying and broke down and started crying and broke down and started crying and saying, "Please don't mail it." saying, "Please don't mail it." saying, "Please don't mail it." >> So, the setup worked. >> So, the setup worked. >> So, the setup worked. >> It did. And that and that enabled him, >> It did. And that and that enabled him, >> It did. And that and that enabled him, Detective Ogden, to move into the Detective Ogden, to move into the Detective Ogden, to move into the hundreds of hours of interviews he did hundreds of hours of interviews he did hundreds of hours of interviews he did with her. with her. with her. >> Now, Kelly is back for a second round. >> Now, Kelly is back for a second round. >> Now, Kelly is back for a second round. >> I got two men diaries, too. >> I got two men diaries, too. >> I got two men diaries, too. >> I know that.

>> I know that. >> I know that. >> Emotional, holding hands with the >> Emotional, holding hands with the >> Emotional, holding hands with the detective. Kelly finally comes clean detective. Kelly finally comes clean detective. Kelly finally comes clean about what happened to Jason. about what happened to Jason. about what happened to Jason. >> What did Kelly say? >> What did Kelly say? >> What did Kelly say? >> Um, that she had shot him up with a >> Um, that she had shot him up with a >> Um, that she had shot him up with a large dose of heroin to kind of subdue large dose of heroin to kind of subdue large dose of heroin to kind of subdue him a little bit. and she just put her him a little bit. and she just put her him a little bit. and she just put her her hands over his uh nose and mouth and her hands over his uh nose and mouth and her hands over his uh nose and mouth and suffocated him. suffocated him. suffocated him. >> Then comes the moment Chief Friso has >> Then comes the moment Chief Friso has >> Then comes the moment Chief Friso has been waiting nearly 2 years to hear. been waiting nearly 2 years to hear. been waiting nearly 2 years to hear. >> You watched him die, >> You watched him die, >> You watched him die, right? right? right? Look at me. In his head. In his head. Kelly describes how she lured Chris to Kelly describes how she lured Chris to Kelly describes how she lured Chris to her house. She and Jason ambushed Chris her house. She and Jason ambushed Chris her house. She and Jason ambushed Chris while he was naked. while he was naked. while he was naked. >> I know that you two had sex upstairs >> I know that you two had sex upstairs >> I know that you two had sex upstairs before he got shot before he got shot before he got shot and then somehow you end up back on the and then somehow you end up back on the and then somehow you end up back on the main level, right? Okay. So, you go back main level, right? Okay. So, you go back main level, right? Okay. So, you go back downstairs. Is Chris dressed?

downstairs. Is Chris dressed? downstairs. Is Chris dressed? Are you dressed? Are you dressed? Are you dressed? And then Jason appears. And then Jason appears. And then Jason appears. And what happens then? What does he say And what happens then? What does he say And what happens then? What does he say to us? to us? to us? >> Kelly says as she and Chris were still >> Kelly says as she and Chris were still >> Kelly says as she and Chris were still in a sexual embrace at the top of the in a sexual embrace at the top of the in a sexual embrace at the top of the stairs, Jason was lying in weight. His stairs, Jason was lying in weight. His stairs, Jason was lying in weight. His .22 rifle aimed straight at Chris's .22 rifle aimed straight at Chris's .22 rifle aimed straight at Chris's head. head. head. The bullet tears through his skull. The bullet tears through his skull. The bullet tears through his skull. >> You fell down the stairs with him. >> You fell down the stairs with him. >> You fell down the stairs with him. Death came in an instant and it happened Death came in an instant and it happened Death came in an instant and it happened almost as the psychic said it did. almost as the psychic said it did. almost as the psychic said it did. >> He got hit with something in the back of >> He got hit with something in the back of >> He got hit with something in the back of the head. I felt that he had tried to the head. I felt that he had tried to the head. I felt that he had tried to get out the door or he had fallen out get out the door or he had fallen out get out the door or he had fallen out the door, something like that. the door, something like that. the door, something like that. >> Kelly then reveals the horrible way they >> Kelly then reveals the horrible way they >> Kelly then reveals the horrible way they disposed of Chris's body. disposed of Chris's body. disposed of Chris's body. >> Tell me what happened. >> What? >> What? >> Down. >> Down. >> Down. >> Downsized it. How did he downsize him? >> Downsized it. How did he downsize him? >> Downsized it. How did he downsize him? Do you need to know all of it? Do you need to know all of it? Do you need to know all of it? >> I do. I need to know it all. How did he >> I do. I need to know it all. How did he >> I do. I need to know it all. How did he cut him into pieces?

cut him into pieces? cut him into pieces? >> Like a chisel? >> Like a chisel? >> Like a chisel? >> A what? >> A what? >> A what? >> A chisel? >> A chisel? >> A chisel? Like a big chisel? >> You know what I mean? >> You know what I mean? >> A big chisel. Big wood chisel. >> A big chisel. Big wood chisel. >> A big chisel. Big wood chisel. >> Well, that doesn't make any sense, >> Well, that doesn't make any sense, >> Well, that doesn't make any sense, though. though. though. >> Kelly shifts her story and says Jason >> Kelly shifts her story and says Jason >> Kelly shifts her story and says Jason used an electric handsaw to chop him used an electric handsaw to chop him used an electric handsaw to chop him into pieces. So he completely into pieces. So he completely into pieces. So he completely dismembered Chris in the basement. >> He got sick. >> He got sick. He threw up. He threw up. He threw up. >> Kelly says they cut Chris up on plastic >> Kelly says they cut Chris up on plastic >> Kelly says they cut Chris up on plastic wrapping. They burned the plastic and wrapping. They burned the plastic and wrapping. They burned the plastic and the saw blade in a burn barrel and the saw blade in a burn barrel and the saw blade in a burn barrel and dumped the barrel in the mine pit. Then dumped the barrel in the mine pit. Then dumped the barrel in the mine pit. Then Jason drove Chris's car to the park and Jason drove Chris's car to the park and Jason drove Chris's car to the park and ride and they scattered his mutilated ride and they scattered his mutilated ride and they scattered his mutilated body in the woods. body in the woods. body in the woods. >> And how did he take him there?

>> With what? [music] >> With what? [music] What do you do? Do you put him in the What do you do? Do you put him in the What do you do? Do you put him in the truck where >> the confession complete? >> the confession complete? >> May I smoke? >> May I smoke? >> May I smoke? >> Kelly asked to smoke a last cigarette >> Kelly asked to smoke a last cigarette >> Kelly asked to smoke a last cigarette before she's taken to a cell. And while before she's taken to a cell. And while before she's taken to a cell. And while Detective Ogden is out of the room, she Detective Ogden is out of the room, she Detective Ogden is out of the room, she bizarrely falls out of her chair. Is she bizarrely falls out of her chair. Is she bizarrely falls out of her chair. Is she high or just tired? Cops aren't sure. high or just tired? Cops aren't sure. high or just tired? Cops aren't sure. Later, the admitted killer is put into Later, the admitted killer is put into Later, the admitted killer is put into handcuffs facing two counts of murder in handcuffs facing two counts of murder in handcuffs facing two counts of murder in two different states. two different states. two different states. >> I got to tell you, I do not like being >> I got to tell you, I do not like being >> I got to tell you, I do not like being in this basement. in this basement. in this basement. Retired Michigan State Police detective Retired Michigan State Police detective Retired Michigan State Police detective Michael Niger [music] took me into Michael Niger [music] took me into Michael Niger [music] took me into Kelly's dungeon of death. This is where Kelly's dungeon of death. This is where Kelly's dungeon of death. This is where they took his body apart with a saw and they took his body apart with a saw and they took his body apart with a saw and then put him in garbage bags. The fact then put him in garbage bags. The fact then put him in garbage bags. The fact that you never found his blood in here. that you never found his blood in here. that you never found his blood in here. What do you think that plastic has to do What do you think that plastic has to do What do you think that plastic has to do with any of that? with any of that? with any of that? >> Well, the plastic is a, you know, imper >> Well, the plastic is a, you know, imper >> Well, the plastic is a, you know, imper impervious barrier and uh that would impervious barrier and uh that would impervious barrier and uh that would prevent they would they would use that prevent they would they would use that prevent they would they would use that to, you know, prevent any surface in the to, you know, prevent any surface in the to, you know, prevent any surface in the basement from getting blood on it.

basement from getting blood on it. basement from getting blood on it. No one still knows where the remains of No one still knows where the remains of No one still knows where the remains of Chris Rean are, but one person does. Chris Rean are, but one person does. Chris Rean are, but one person does. Kelly Cochran. Kelly Cochran says she killed Chris Rean Kelly Cochran says she killed Chris Rean for love and killed her husband Jason for love and killed her husband Jason for love and killed her husband Jason for revenge. [music] for revenge. [music] for revenge. [music] >> She said he was looking at her right as >> She said he was looking at her right as >> She said he was looking at her right as she was killing him. she was killing him. she was killing him. >> It didn't take long for him to stop >> It didn't take long for him to stop >> It didn't take long for him to stop breathing. She basically said within a breathing. She basically said within a breathing. She basically said within a minute. In a strange way, Kelly and minute. In a strange way, Kelly and minute. In a strange way, Kelly and Jason's diabolical plot to kill Chris Jason's diabolical plot to kill Chris Jason's diabolical plot to kill Chris was hatched 12 years earlier in a pact was hatched 12 years earlier in a pact was hatched 12 years earlier in a pact made in blood. made in blood. made in blood. >> When they got married, they made this >> When they got married, they made this >> When they got married, they made this pack that if one of them um were to have pack that if one of them um were to have pack that if one of them um were to have an affair that they had to kill the an affair that they had to kill the an affair that they had to kill the person that they had the affair with. person that they had the affair with. person that they had the affair with. >> There's no dispute Kelly is a serial >> There's no dispute Kelly is a serial >> There's no dispute Kelly is a serial cheater, but is she also a serial cheater, but is she also a serial cheater, but is she also a serial killer? killer? killer? >> Do you believe that Kelly is a serial >> Do you believe that Kelly is a serial >> Do you believe that Kelly is a serial killer? killer? killer? >> Yes. There were times she listed like as >> Yes. There were times she listed like as >> Yes. There were times she listed like as many as 21 people. many as 21 people. many as 21 people. >> Do you believe that? >> Do you believe that? >> Do you believe that? >> No. More realistically, probably five.

>> No. More realistically, probably five. >> No. More realistically, probably five. >> There could be five more people out >> There could be five more people out >> There could be five more people out there that she has killed. there that she has killed. there that she has killed. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> In a recorded jail house phone call with >> In a recorded jail house phone call with >> In a recorded jail house phone call with her mother, Kelly hints there are bodies her mother, Kelly hints there are bodies her mother, Kelly hints there are bodies out there just waiting to be found. out there just waiting to be found. out there just waiting to be found. >> You didn't see this coming? >> You didn't see this coming? >> You didn't see this coming? >> No, I see this coming after it all >> No, I see this coming after it all >> No, I see this coming after it all happened, but I didn't know that you happened, but I didn't know that you happened, but I didn't know that you guys killed people before all this. But guys killed people before all this. But guys killed people before all this. But cops don't know if Kelly is even telling cops don't know if Kelly is even telling cops don't know if Kelly is even telling the truth. And they've never found the the truth. And they've never found the the truth. And they've never found the so-called trinket bag that many serial so-called trinket bag that many serial so-called trinket bag that many serial killers keep. Now Kelly, caged in a killers keep. Now Kelly, caged in a killers keep. Now Kelly, caged in a windowed cell almost like Hannibal windowed cell almost like Hannibal windowed cell almost like Hannibal Lectar is about to do one final good Lectar is about to do one final good Lectar is about to do one final good deed. deed. deed. >> This is just, you know, giving consent >> This is just, you know, giving consent >> This is just, you know, giving consent to go to your house with you. to go to your house with you. to go to your house with you. >> A deed that hardly makes up for a life >> A deed that hardly makes up for a life >> A deed that hardly makes up for a life of deadly decisions. of deadly decisions. of deadly decisions. >> We told one of the guys that I was a >> We told one of the guys that I was a >> We told one of the guys that I was a cannibal. That's why I was in a cage. cannibal. That's why I was in a cage. cannibal. That's why I was in a cage. Kelly tells cops she wants to give Chris Kelly tells cops she wants to give Chris Kelly tells cops she wants to give Chris a proper burial. So, she takes cops on a a proper burial. So, she takes cops on a a proper burial. So, she takes cops on a wild field trip back to the scene of the wild field trip back to the scene of the wild field trip back to the scene of the crime. crime. crime. >> Hanging crazy. You can shoot me if I do.

>> Hanging crazy. You can shoot me if I do. >> Hanging crazy. You can shoot me if I do. >> They arrive at the spot in the woods >> They arrive at the spot in the woods >> They arrive at the spot in the woods where Kelly remembers dumping Chris's where Kelly remembers dumping Chris's where Kelly remembers dumping Chris's remains. remains. remains. >> What would the biggest piece of bone be >> What would the biggest piece of bone be >> What would the biggest piece of bone be that you that you that you >> I mean torso. >> I mean torso. >> I mean torso. >> The torso. And that was here. >> The torso. And that was here. >> The torso. And that was here. >> So, then we should find ribs. And I >> So, then we should find ribs. And I >> So, then we should find ribs. And I think that generally think that generally think that generally >> the skull should be the biggest though. >> the skull should be the biggest though. >> the skull should be the biggest though. >> Kelly takes advantage of her day in the >> Kelly takes advantage of her day in the >> Kelly takes advantage of her day in the sun. sun. sun. >> Do you mind if I uh open her door and >> Do you mind if I uh open her door and >> Do you mind if I uh open her door and take her out to smoke on the side? You take her out to smoke on the side? You take her out to smoke on the side? You can shoot me forever. can shoot me forever. can shoot me forever. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Stopping frequently to smoke. >> Stopping frequently to smoke. >> Stopping frequently to smoke. >> Smoke dinner. >> Smoke dinner. >> Smoke dinner. >> After a morning search, Kelly places her >> After a morning search, Kelly places her >> After a morning search, Kelly places her order for lunch. order for lunch. order for lunch. >> Cheese pizza. >> Cheese pizza. >> Cheese pizza. >> Just cheese. >> Just cheese. >> Just cheese. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Cheese pizza. >> Cheese pizza. >> Cheese pizza. >> Maybe a soda. >> Maybe a soda. >> Maybe a soda. >> You heard right. The woman who used >> You heard right. The woman who used >> You heard right. The woman who used lasagna to lure her prey scarfs a slice lasagna to lure her prey scarfs a slice lasagna to lure her prey scarfs a slice and washes it down with a big gulp. and washes it down with a big gulp. and washes it down with a big gulp. >> You want pizza? >> You want pizza? >> You want pizza? >> I am good. >> I am good. >> I am good. >> She's eating pizza. >> She's eating pizza. >> She's eating pizza. >> Iron County Prosecutor Melissa Powell >> Iron County Prosecutor Melissa Powell >> Iron County Prosecutor Melissa Powell says she was stunned watching the video. says she was stunned watching the video. says she was stunned watching the video. >> She's having a good time. >> She's having a good time. >> She's having a good time. >> She's so matterof fact about this. >> She's so matterof fact about this. >> She's so matterof fact about this. You're like, "A horrible murder happened You're like, "A horrible murder happened You're like, "A horrible murder happened in this house and she's sitting there in this house and she's sitting there in this house and she's sitting there eating pizza and talking about it like eating pizza and talking about it like eating pizza and talking about it like it's the weather." Amazingly, the murder it's the weather." Amazingly, the murder it's the weather." Amazingly, the murder house is exactly the way Kelly and Jason house is exactly the way Kelly and Jason house is exactly the way Kelly and Jason left it after bolting for Indiana.

left it after bolting for Indiana. left it after bolting for Indiana. >> Jason pulled him into here and I from >> Jason pulled him into here and I from >> Jason pulled him into here and I from what you were telling me around in this what you were telling me around in this what you were telling me around in this area area area >> and that's where he cut them out. >> and that's where he cut them out. >> and that's where he cut them out. >> In the cluttered kitchen, cops find a >> In the cluttered kitchen, cops find a >> In the cluttered kitchen, cops find a pair of forceps. pair of forceps. pair of forceps. >> Here you go. >> Here you go. >> Here you go. >> You're saying you use those? >> You're saying you use those? >> You're saying you use those? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> They're clean, though. >> They're clean, though. >> They're clean, though. >> Kelly says she used them to try and >> Kelly says she used them to try and >> Kelly says she used them to try and remove the bullet from Chris's skull. remove the bullet from Chris's skull. remove the bullet from Chris's skull. They were in the kitchen strainer, They were in the kitchen strainer, They were in the kitchen strainer, >> but had not been washed for whatever >> but had not been washed for whatever >> but had not been washed for whatever reason. reason. reason. >> Thank god she wasn't tidy. >> Thank god she wasn't tidy. >> Thank god she wasn't tidy. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Kelly's memories of her evil act were >> Kelly's memories of her evil act were >> Kelly's memories of her evil act were accurate. In the fields, cops found accurate. In the fields, cops found accurate. In the fields, cops found Chris's glasses. And then Chris's glasses. And then Chris's glasses. And then there it is. there it is. there it is. >> And I'm thinking, "Oh my god, it's it's >> And I'm thinking, "Oh my god, it's it's >> And I'm thinking, "Oh my god, it's it's a skull right there. a skull right there. a skull right there. >> Chris's skull with a big bullet hole >> Chris's skull with a big bullet hole >> Chris's skull with a big bullet hole just out in the open. just out in the open. just out in the open. You have to stop because I'm going to You have to stop because I'm going to You have to stop because I'm going to cry. [laughter] cry. [laughter] cry. [laughter] >> Why? It >> Why? It >> Why? It >> just was >> just was >> just was I went over to the skull and I I got I went over to the skull and I I got I went over to the skull and I I got right down on my hands and knees and right down on my hands and knees and right down on my hands and knees and looked at him [snorts] and looked at him [snorts] and looked at him [snorts] and just knew it was him. I mean, I was just just knew it was him. I mean, I was just just knew it was him. I mean, I was just like, "I finally found you." You know, like, "I finally found you." You know, like, "I finally found you." You know, [snorts] >> you found Chris.

>> you found Chris. At her murder trial, Kelly pins the At her murder trial, Kelly pins the At her murder trial, Kelly pins the horrific crime on Jason, describing in horrific crime on Jason, describing in horrific crime on Jason, describing in gory detail what happened. gory detail what happened. gory detail what happened. >> When he cut him up, he had one of his >> When he cut him up, he had one of his >> When he cut him up, he had one of his hands so that the last time he'd be hands so that the last time he'd be hands so that the last time he'd be waving to me, he was waving goodbye to waving to me, he was waving goodbye to waving to me, he was waving goodbye to me. me. me. >> And then prosecutor Melissa Powell >> And then prosecutor Melissa Powell >> And then prosecutor Melissa Powell painted [music] a powerful and chilling painted [music] a powerful and chilling painted [music] a powerful and chilling image for the jury. image for the jury. image for the jury. Inside this bag, Chris's skull. It was Inside this bag, Chris's skull. It was Inside this bag, Chris's skull. It was enough to convict Kelly of firstdegree enough to convict Kelly of firstdegree enough to convict Kelly of firstdegree murder. She was sentenced to life in murder. She was sentenced to life in murder. She was sentenced to life in prison. prison. prison. >> What do you think was her motivation in >> What do you think was her motivation in >> What do you think was her motivation in telling you all this information that telling you all this information that telling you all this information that was ultimately used against her and and was ultimately used against her and and was ultimately used against her and and it now has her incarcerated? it now has her incarcerated? it now has her incarcerated? >> It might have been part of her defense. >> It might have been part of her defense. >> It might have been part of her defense. I'm going to blame this all on Jason. I'm going to blame this all on Jason. I'm going to blame this all on Jason. I'll show them where the body is, but I I'll show them where the body is, but I I'll show them where the body is, but I only know where this is because Jason only know where this is because Jason only know where this is because Jason forced me to do this. forced me to do this. forced me to do this. >> Crime Watch Daily wanted to talk to >> Crime Watch Daily wanted to talk to >> Crime Watch Daily wanted to talk to Kelly Cochran ourselves. She asked our Kelly Cochran ourselves. She asked our Kelly Cochran ourselves. She asked our producer to meet with her in prison and producer to meet with her in prison and producer to meet with her in prison and in our face-toface meeting she agreed to in our face-toface meeting she agreed to in our face-toface meeting she agreed to speak.

speak. speak. >> Hi Kelly, it's Anna Garcia. How are you? >> Hi Kelly, it's Anna Garcia. How are you? >> Hi Kelly, it's Anna Garcia. How are you? >> But then she abruptly cancelled our >> But then she abruptly cancelled our >> But then she abruptly cancelled our scheduled phone interview. scheduled phone interview. scheduled phone interview. >> She hung up. >> She hung up. >> She hung up. >> The hero of this investigation is Chief >> The hero of this investigation is Chief >> The hero of this investigation is Chief Friso, who in an odd way got caught up Friso, who in an odd way got caught up Friso, who in an odd way got caught up in Kelly's deadly love triangle, but in Kelly's deadly love triangle, but in Kelly's deadly love triangle, but with a good outcome. She's dating with a good outcome. She's dating with a good outcome. She's dating Detective Ogden, who can't speak since Detective Ogden, who can't speak since Detective Ogden, who can't speak since he is still investigating the killing of he is still investigating the killing of he is still investigating the killing of Kelly's husband, Jason. Kelly's husband, Jason. Kelly's husband, Jason. >> We started seeing each other, [music] >> We started seeing each other, [music] >> We started seeing each other, [music] you know, um during the investigation you know, um during the investigation you know, um during the investigation and uh we've been we've been together and uh we've been we've been together and uh we've been we've been together since then. since then. since then. >> So, are you and Detective Ogden getting >> So, are you and Detective Ogden getting >> So, are you and Detective Ogden getting married? married? married? >> Uh eventually we are. >> Uh eventually we are. >> Uh eventually we are. >> My guess is that Kelly Cochran is not >> My guess is that Kelly Cochran is not >> My guess is that Kelly Cochran is not too happy that you two are together. Oh, too happy that you two are together. Oh, too happy that you two are together. Oh, I'm sure not. I'm sure not. I'm sure not. >> But there is one woman whose hopes for >> But there is one woman whose hopes for >> But there is one woman whose hopes for happily ever after were snuffed out with happily ever after were snuffed out with happily ever after were snuffed out with the [music] senseless murder of Chris the [music] senseless murder of Chris the [music] senseless murder of Chris Rean. His ex-girlfriend Terry O'Donnell.

Rean. His ex-girlfriend Terry O'Donnell. Rean. His ex-girlfriend Terry O'Donnell. >> But he's gone. >> But he's gone. >> But he's gone. We never had that opportunity to see if We never had that opportunity to see if We never had that opportunity to see if we could rebuild things or not. Kelly we could rebuild things or not. Kelly we could rebuild things or not. Kelly took that away.