'Obsessed' teacher sentenced for sex with student

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everywhere I turn, every case. everywhere I turn, every case. >> I love being in your life, Anna. Thank >> I love being in your life, Anna. Thank >> I love being in your life, Anna. Thank you for having me. you for having me. you for having me. >> I love you in my life, too, Rachel. >> I love you in my life, too, Rachel. >> I love you in my life, too, Rachel. Um, I know we're obsessed with another Um, I know we're obsessed with another Um, I know we're obsessed with another case going on today, but we're going to case going on today, but we're going to case going on today, but we're going to really focus on this one. And I have to really focus on this one. And I have to really focus on this one. And I have to tell you, Rachel, I find this woman who tell you, Rachel, I find this woman who tell you, Rachel, I find this woman who has been convicted uh being a sexual has been convicted uh being a sexual has been convicted uh being a sexual predator. She is so repulsive to me. I predator. She is so repulsive to me. I predator. She is so repulsive to me. I am so angry about this woman. Um because am so angry about this woman. Um because am so angry about this woman. Um because here's the other thing. I believe that here's the other thing. I believe that here's the other thing. I believe that there's a true double standard when it there's a true double standard when it there's a true double standard when it comes to the sexual abuse of boys versus comes to the sexual abuse of boys versus comes to the sexual abuse of boys versus the sexual abuse of girls. You know, and the sexual abuse of girls. You know, and the sexual abuse of girls. You know, and also so many people reporting this case, also so many people reporting this case, also so many people reporting this case, this drives me nuts. They refer to the this drives me nuts. They refer to the this drives me nuts. They refer to the incidents as sexual relations or that incidents as sexual relations or that incidents as sexual relations or that they had sex. No, no, no, no, no, no. they had sex. No, no, no, no, no, no. they had sex. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is sexual abuse as defined by the This is sexual abuse as defined by the This is sexual abuse as defined by the charges, the conviction, and the charges, the conviction, and the charges, the conviction, and the sentence. I can't stand that, Rachel. I sentence. I can't stand that, Rachel. I sentence. I can't stand that, Rachel. I agree with you. And I have a teenage agree with you. And I have a teenage agree with you. And I have a teenage boy, and I can tell you this power boy, and I can tell you this power boy, and I can tell you this power dynamic would be life ruining. This dynamic would be life ruining. This dynamic would be life ruining. This sexual assault on him would be sexual assault on him would be sexual assault on him would be liferuining. And when you think of these liferuining. And when you think of these liferuining. And when you think of these the she was praying on this this boy and the she was praying on this this boy and the she was praying on this this boy and this is likely his first experiences and this is likely his first experiences and this is likely his first experiences and in so many ways and I don't know how he in so many ways and I don't know how he in so many ways and I don't know how he recovers from this.

recovers from this. recovers from this. >> I don't know either. I don't know >> I don't know either. I don't know >> I don't know either. I don't know either. And um the other thing and I either. And um the other thing and I either. And um the other thing and I look this up you know I'm sure there'll look this up you know I'm sure there'll look this up you know I'm sure there'll be people saying oh he was 15. Well hold be people saying oh he was 15. Well hold be people saying oh he was 15. Well hold on a second. That is not the age of on a second. That is not the age of on a second. That is not the age of consent in New Jersey. It's 16. However, consent in New Jersey. It's 16. However, consent in New Jersey. It's 16. However, there is a law on the books. I looked there is a law on the books. I looked there is a law on the books. I looked this up. this up. this up. In the state of New Jersey, there's a In the state of New Jersey, there's a In the state of New Jersey, there's a law that says if if the person law that says if if the person law that says if if the person who is older in this situation holds a who is older in this situation holds a who is older in this situation holds a supervisory or authority role over the supervisory or authority role over the supervisory or authority role over the minor, which includes teachers minor, which includes teachers minor, which includes teachers specifically listed, then the age of specifically listed, then the age of specifically listed, then the age of consent rises to 18. consent rises to 18. consent rises to 18. that I thought was fascinating that I thought was fascinating that I thought was fascinating >> and that makes a ton of sense given the >> and that makes a ton of sense given the >> and that makes a ton of sense given the power dynamic and taking advantage of a power dynamic and taking advantage of a power dynamic and taking advantage of a student in a place where kids are student in a place where kids are student in a place where kids are supposed to be safe. So that that is supposed to be safe. So that that is supposed to be safe. So that that is that makes a lot of sense. They're in a that makes a lot of sense. They're in a that makes a lot of sense. They're in a inherent power relationship and the inherent power relationship and the inherent power relationship and the teacher holds all the power in that teacher holds all the power in that teacher holds all the power in that relationship.

relationship. relationship. >> Oh my goodness. I'm just I'm so repulsed >> Oh my goodness. I'm just I'm so repulsed >> Oh my goodness. I'm just I'm so repulsed by this. Well, the convicted here is by this. Well, the convicted here is by this. Well, the convicted here is 45-year-old Allison Havenman Nidro, and 45-year-old Allison Havenman Nidro, and 45-year-old Allison Havenman Nidro, and she has been sentenced to 12 years in she has been sentenced to 12 years in she has been sentenced to 12 years in prison after pleading guilty to one prison after pleading guilty to one prison after pleading guilty to one count of aggravated sexual assault. Now, count of aggravated sexual assault. Now, count of aggravated sexual assault. Now, at the time of the abuse, Allison was a at the time of the abuse, Allison was a at the time of the abuse, Allison was a mother of two girls, married, worked as mother of two girls, married, worked as mother of two girls, married, worked as a special education teacher at Freehold a special education teacher at Freehold a special education teacher at Freehold Intermediate School, and the victim was Intermediate School, and the victim was Intermediate School, and the victim was a 15year-old student at the time. He was a 15year-old student at the time. He was a 15year-old student at the time. He was in the eighth grade. I can't I I just can't. The Mammoth I can't I I just can't. The Mammoth County prosecutor says that the abuse County prosecutor says that the abuse County prosecutor says that the abuse occurred over a six-month period occurred over a six-month period occurred over a six-month period beginning in January of 2024, although beginning in January of 2024, although beginning in January of 2024, although we believe the grooming likely started we believe the grooming likely started we believe the grooming likely started much sooner than that. And according to much sooner than that. And according to much sooner than that. And according to the reporting of the Asbury Park Press, the reporting of the Asbury Park Press, the reporting of the Asbury Park Press, which is a fabulous newspaper, I used to which is a fabulous newspaper, I used to which is a fabulous newspaper, I used to live in New Jersey and I used to live in live in New Jersey and I used to live in live in New Jersey and I used to live in Mammoth County. Um, the other teachers Mammoth County. Um, the other teachers Mammoth County. Um, the other teachers told the police that they started told the police that they started told the police that they started noticing that Allison was paying special noticing that Allison was paying special noticing that Allison was paying special attention to this teen, rubbing his attention to this teen, rubbing his attention to this teen, rubbing his back. It seemed like she was flirting back. It seemed like she was flirting back. It seemed like she was flirting with him, having lunch with him. The with him, having lunch with him. The with him, having lunch with him. The judge said in court that she began judge said in court that she began judge said in court that she began grooming him by doing things like this, grooming him by doing things like this, grooming him by doing things like this, showing up at his sporting events and showing up at his sporting events and showing up at his sporting events and where he worked. And the judge even said where he worked. And the judge even said where he worked. And the judge even said she gifted him a sex toy.

It It's disgusting. 8th grade is such a It It's disgusting. 8th grade is such a formative year. Middle school is such formative year. Middle school is such formative year. Middle school is such formative times. And when you think of a formative times. And when you think of a formative times. And when you think of a 15-year-old being in 8th grade, and I 15-year-old being in 8th grade, and I 15-year-old being in 8th grade, and I think what we don't know is whether he think what we don't know is whether he think what we don't know is whether he himself had special needs. 15 is a himself had special needs. 15 is a himself had special needs. 15 is a little on the older side to be in 8th little on the older side to be in 8th little on the older side to be in 8th grade. So that may suggest some kind of grade. So that may suggest some kind of grade. So that may suggest some kind of developmental delays. It may not, but it developmental delays. It may not, but it developmental delays. It may not, but it it given that she was a special ed it given that she was a special ed it given that she was a special ed teacher, she's showing up to his game. teacher, she's showing up to his game. teacher, she's showing up to his game. She's showing up in ways that likely She's showing up in ways that likely She's showing up in ways that likely this this teenager, this young man, this this teenager, this young man, this this teenager, this young man, young boy, um would only have young boy, um would only have young boy, um would only have experienced through family members. And experienced through family members. And experienced through family members. And this is how she's endearing herself to this is how she's endearing herself to this is how she's endearing herself to him um in this extremely imbalanced him um in this extremely imbalanced him um in this extremely imbalanced relationship. Obviously, the authorities relationship. Obviously, the authorities relationship. Obviously, the authorities have not released the minor's identity. have not released the minor's identity. have not released the minor's identity. One minor to a victim of a sexual crime. One minor to a victim of a sexual crime. One minor to a victim of a sexual crime. And if the young man did have special And if the young man did have special And if the young man did have special needs, needs, needs, it's possible that he would have had it's possible that he would have had it's possible that he would have had even more difficulty even more difficulty even more difficulty more difficulty either processing what more difficulty either processing what more difficulty either processing what was going on and what he could or could was going on and what he could or could was going on and what he could or could not say or how he could reach out, let's not say or how he could reach out, let's not say or how he could reach out, let's say, to his family or other teachers or say, to his family or other teachers or say, to his family or other teachers or the school about what was happening. And the school about what was happening. And the school about what was happening. And that's entirely possible. If true, then that's entirely possible. If true, then that's entirely possible. If true, then she would have taken even more advantage she would have taken even more advantage she would have taken even more advantage of him.

of him. of him. >> Every part of this is awful, >> Every part of this is awful, >> Every part of this is awful, >> and in any circumstance, it's terrible >> and in any circumstance, it's terrible >> and in any circumstance, it's terrible and terribly taking advantage of a minor and terribly taking advantage of a minor and terribly taking advantage of a minor and sexual assault and predatory and sexual assault and predatory and sexual assault and predatory behavior. Should the young man have had behavior. Should the young man have had behavior. Should the young man have had additional difficulties in deciphering additional difficulties in deciphering additional difficulties in deciphering what was happening to him, in reporting what was happening to him, in reporting what was happening to him, in reporting what was happening to him, in attempting what was happening to him, in attempting what was happening to him, in attempting in any way to make it stop? Not that I in any way to make it stop? Not that I in any way to make it stop? Not that I think he probably could have in what think he probably could have in what think he probably could have in what appears to be these circumstances. It's appears to be these circumstances. It's appears to be these circumstances. It's even worse. And she knew that she was a even worse. And she knew that she was a even worse. And she knew that she was a special education teacher. special education teacher. special education teacher. >> Yeah, this woman really disgusts me. >> Yeah, this woman really disgusts me. >> Yeah, this woman really disgusts me. According to People magazine, she's According to People magazine, she's According to People magazine, she's sexually abused the boy in hotel rooms, sexually abused the boy in hotel rooms, sexually abused the boy in hotel rooms, in her car, and at her home. Police say in her car, and at her home. Police say in her car, and at her home. Police say that hotel bills and following along that hotel bills and following along that hotel bills and following along with um data, forensic data from the with um data, forensic data from the with um data, forensic data from the cell phone of locations and so on, they cell phone of locations and so on, they cell phone of locations and so on, they were able to cooperate were able to cooperate were able to cooperate those allegations. And the most damning those allegations. And the most damning those allegations. And the most damning evidence of all, the prosecutor says evidence of all, the prosecutor says evidence of all, the prosecutor says there were 25,000 there were 25,000 there were 25,000 25,000 25,000 25,000 sexually explicit text messages from the sexually explicit text messages from the sexually explicit text messages from the teacher to the boy. 25,000.

teacher to the boy. 25,000. teacher to the boy. 25,000. This is obsessive This is obsessive This is obsessive and weird behavior in any circumstance and weird behavior in any circumstance and weird behavior in any circumstance here where she's grooming him and taking here where she's grooming him and taking here where she's grooming him and taking advantage of him. That's not giving him advantage of him. That's not giving him advantage of him. That's not giving him any space to breathe or process or tell any space to breathe or process or tell any space to breathe or process or tell or communicate with others or you know or communicate with others or you know or communicate with others or you know be a kid. So th this is a constant be a kid. So th this is a constant be a kid. So th this is a constant uh barrage uh barrage uh barrage >> pressure >> pressure >> pressure >> of That's right. >> of That's right. >> of That's right. >> That's right. A barrage of pressure. And >> That's right. A barrage of pressure. And >> That's right. A barrage of pressure. And it is so overwhelming to think about it is so overwhelming to think about it is so overwhelming to think about when you think of children when you think of children when you think of children um and how they are in this, you know, um and how they are in this, you know, um and how they are in this, you know, developing and learning about their developing and learning about their developing and learning about their world. that 25,000 text messages when world. that 25,000 text messages when world. that 25,000 text messages when you just think of let that sink in from you just think of let that sink in from you just think of let that sink in from from one person from one person from one person it with one goal in mind it with one goal in mind it with one goal in mind it's it's too much it's it's too much it's it's too much >> and there's more >> and there's more >> and there's more >> and there's more and it's worse it's >> and there's more and it's worse it's >> and there's more and it's worse it's even worse than the text messages even worse than the text messages even worse than the text messages investigators at the Mammoth County investigators at the Mammoth County investigators at the Mammoth County Prosecutor's Office confirmed that Prosecutor's Office confirmed that Prosecutor's Office confirmed that Allison videotaped the sexual abuse on Allison videotaped the sexual abuse on Allison videotaped the sexual abuse on her phone in fact this is crazy on the her phone in fact this is crazy on the her phone in fact this is crazy on the day that she was arrested. Um, I watched day that she was arrested. Um, I watched day that she was arrested. Um, I watched the body cam video. Police asked her for the body cam video. Police asked her for the body cam video. Police asked her for her phone when they came knocking at her her phone when they came knocking at her her phone when they came knocking at her door

door door and she tells them right there on the and she tells them right there on the and she tells them right there on the body cam. This is unbelievable. Oh, body cam. This is unbelievable. Oh, body cam. This is unbelievable. Oh, yeah. My phone was run over earlier yeah. My phone was run over earlier yeah. My phone was run over earlier today. A 5-year-old could come up with a today. A 5-year-old could come up with a today. A 5-year-old could come up with a better lie than that. My phone was run better lie than that. My phone was run better lie than that. My phone was run over today. over today. over today. >> No, it is. It shows that she knew she >> No, it is. It shows that she knew she >> No, it is. It shows that she knew she was wrong in that moment. It shows that was wrong in that moment. It shows that was wrong in that moment. It shows that she knew what was on her phone and she she knew what was on her phone and she she knew what was on her phone and she knew it was wrong to it just to knew it was wrong to it just to knew it was wrong to it just to immediately immediately immediately obstruct and and I also watched the obstruct and and I also watched the obstruct and and I also watched the video and they were giving her a lot of video and they were giving her a lot of video and they were giving her a lot of leeway and a lot of breaks I would say. leeway and a lot of breaks I would say. leeway and a lot of breaks I would say. >> Oh my god, they were so nice to her. >> Oh my god, they were so nice to her. >> Oh my god, they were so nice to her. they were so nice to her and uh you know they were so nice to her and uh you know they were so nice to her and uh you know even somewhat going along with her story even somewhat going along with her story even somewhat going along with her story and um I just thought wow she knew and um I just thought wow she knew and um I just thought wow she knew at that moment why were they they were at that moment why were they they were at that moment why were they they were there and she knew to lie because she there and she knew to lie because she there and she knew to lie because she knew what she was doing was wrong and knew what she was doing was wrong and knew what she was doing was wrong and and she's been caught. I mean she even and she's been caught. I mean she even and she's been caught. I mean she even when the police asked her on the body when the police asked her on the body when the police asked her on the body cam, "Do you know why we're here?" She cam, "Do you know why we're here?" She cam, "Do you know why we're here?" She said, "No." And and then as they're said, "No." And and then as they're said, "No." And and then as they're handcuffing her, she's before they even handcuffing her, she's before they even handcuffing her, she's before they even start, she's like, "You know, I have a start, she's like, "You know, I have a start, she's like, "You know, I have a lot of medical conditions. Please don't lot of medical conditions. Please don't lot of medical conditions. Please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. I have hurt me. Please don't hurt me. I have hurt me. Please don't hurt me. I have never seen anyone so gently put a never seen anyone so gently put a never seen anyone so gently put a handcuff on a person." It's It was like handcuff on a person." It's It was like handcuff on a person." It's It was like I'm watching it in slow motion. And then I'm watching it in slow motion. And then I'm watching it in slow motion. And then she's going on about she needs to take she's going on about she needs to take she's going on about she needs to take her medication and that she needs um she her medication and that she needs um she her medication and that she needs um she needs the phone number of her attorney.

needs the phone number of her attorney. needs the phone number of her attorney. And the other thing that was so bizarre And the other thing that was so bizarre And the other thing that was so bizarre about this, it was her own father, her about this, it was her own father, her about this, it was her own father, her own elderly father, who actually opened own elderly father, who actually opened own elderly father, who actually opened the door to the police, you know, was the door to the police, you know, was the door to the police, you know, was like, "Oh, Allison, the police are here like, "Oh, Allison, the police are here like, "Oh, Allison, the police are here for you." for you." for you." Surreal. It was a surreal arrest. When Surreal. It was a surreal arrest. When Surreal. It was a surreal arrest. When we look at at arrests in in various we look at at arrests in in various we look at at arrests in in various circumstances in the world, this one was circumstances in the world, this one was circumstances in the world, this one was surreal. they for particularly for the surreal. they for particularly for the surreal. they for particularly for the crime she had committed and they were crime she had committed and they were crime she had committed and they were giving her every leeway. I think her mom giving her every leeway. I think her mom giving her every leeway. I think her mom said she was on oxy, you know, the mom said she was on oxy, you know, the mom said she was on oxy, you know, the mom needed medical help and they were kind needed medical help and they were kind needed medical help and they were kind of like, okay. And I mean, it was like, of like, okay. And I mean, it was like, of like, okay. And I mean, it was like, are we having a conversation? Are we are we having a conversation? Are we are we having a conversation? Are we arresting this woman? arresting this woman? arresting this woman? >> So, it was very kind and gentle. And she >> So, it was very kind and gentle. And she >> So, it was very kind and gentle. And she wanted to make sure she had her phone wanted to make sure she had her phone wanted to make sure she had her phone call to the attorneys and uh when am I call to the attorneys and uh when am I call to the attorneys and uh when am I going to get my phone call? You know, my going to get my phone call? You know, my going to get my phone call? You know, my my I don't have my phone. has been run my I don't have my phone. has been run my I don't have my phone. has been run over. Oh, you'll get your phone call over. Oh, you'll get your phone call over. Oh, you'll get your phone call when we get down. Should you know, when we get down. Should you know, when we get down. Should you know, should that be the case? And it was just should that be the case? And it was just should that be the case? And it was just like, okay, okay, ma'am, let's let's like, okay, okay, ma'am, let's let's like, okay, okay, ma'am, let's let's arrest you now.

arrest you now. arrest you now. >> Unbelievable. >> Unbelievable. >> Unbelievable. There is no circumstance under which she There is no circumstance under which she There is no circumstance under which she could claim that she was treated could claim that she was treated could claim that she was treated unfairly when she was arrested. unfairly when she was arrested. unfairly when she was arrested. >> It was a very kind arrest. >> It was a very kind arrest. >> It was a very kind arrest. >> It was very kind. Um, now here's the >> It was very kind. Um, now here's the >> It was very kind. Um, now here's the evil evil evil and there's more evil and controlling and there's more evil and controlling and there's more evil and controlling part of this abuse. part of this abuse. part of this abuse. The Freehold police say that if the teen The Freehold police say that if the teen The Freehold police say that if the teen wanted to stop or he stopped responding wanted to stop or he stopped responding wanted to stop or he stopped responding to her, as you said, she kept the to her, as you said, she kept the to her, as you said, she kept the pressure up. And that was so interesting pressure up. And that was so interesting pressure up. And that was so interesting the way you phrase that, Rachel, that the way you phrase that, Rachel, that the way you phrase that, Rachel, that then she would allegedly threaten the then she would allegedly threaten the then she would allegedly threaten the boy to reveal what's been going on as if boy to reveal what's been going on as if boy to reveal what's been going on as if to make it seem like this is all his to make it seem like this is all his to make it seem like this is all his fault and I'm going to report you to fault and I'm going to report you to fault and I'm going to report you to school administrators. So, she would school administrators. So, she would school administrators. So, she would threaten him to stay in line. threaten him to stay in line. threaten him to stay in line. It It's more of the power. It's more It It's more of the power. It's more It It's more of the power. It's more power. He doesn't even know that that power. He doesn't even know that that power. He doesn't even know that that threat is gets her arrested. threat is gets her arrested. threat is gets her arrested. >> That it's the threat that gets her >> That it's the threat that gets her >> That it's the threat that gets her arrested. and placed in prison and she's arrested. and placed in prison and she's arrested. and placed in prison and she's threatening him with that because under threatening him with that because under threatening him with that because under the law he is the victim and you know the law he is the victim and you know the law he is the victim and you know it's embarrassing and he's pray she's it's embarrassing and he's pray she's it's embarrassing and he's pray she's praying on all of these teenage praying on all of these teenage praying on all of these teenage insecurities insecurities insecurities and not letting him have any choice in and not letting him have any choice in and not letting him have any choice in this this this not it's not a relationship but any not it's not a relationship but any not it's not a relationship but any choice in these acts and it is so

choice in these acts and it is so choice in these acts and it is so sad and abusive both emotionally and sad and abusive both emotionally and sad and abusive both emotionally and physically and even emotionally outside physically and even emotionally outside physically and even emotionally outside of the sexual relationship. The of the sexual relationship. The of the sexual relationship. The manipulation that's going on with him. manipulation that's going on with him. manipulation that's going on with him. >> Yeah, it is. It's confusion, >> Yeah, it is. It's confusion, >> Yeah, it is. It's confusion, manipulation, and a lot of shame. A lot manipulation, and a lot of shame. A lot manipulation, and a lot of shame. A lot of shame and not being able to figure of shame and not being able to figure of shame and not being able to figure out what's going on here other than it out what's going on here other than it out what's going on here other than it does it's not right and you're upset does it's not right and you're upset does it's not right and you're upset about it. Also, I find it um equally about it. Also, I find it um equally about it. Also, I find it um equally evil and manipulative evil and manipulative evil and manipulative that she had come up with a cover story that she had come up with a cover story that she had come up with a cover story and that she would use it and she and that she would use it and she and that she would use it and she instructed the boy, according to police, instructed the boy, according to police, instructed the boy, according to police, to say that he was dating one of her two to say that he was dating one of her two to say that he was dating one of her two daughters. So, if they were seen daughters. So, if they were seen daughters. So, if they were seen together, it's perfectly natural that together, it's perfectly natural that together, it's perfectly natural that he's in my car because he's dating my he's in my car because he's dating my he's in my car because he's dating my daughter and I'm dropping him off or daughter and I'm dropping him off or daughter and I'm dropping him off or picking him up. picking him up. picking him up. It just shows such knowledge It just shows such knowledge It just shows such knowledge of how messed up this whole situation of how messed up this whole situation of how messed up this whole situation was.

was. was. >> It shows her knowledge of the abuse of >> It shows her knowledge of the abuse of >> It shows her knowledge of the abuse of him. him. him. >> And she even knows it would be so much >> And she even knows it would be so much >> And she even knows it would be so much more normal for him to be dating one of more normal for him to be dating one of more normal for him to be dating one of her daughters. her daughters. her daughters. >> Of course, >> Of course, >> Of course, >> he know and you they are just, you know, >> he know and you they are just, you know, >> he know and you they are just, you know, she's telling him the story and that's she's telling him the story and that's she's telling him the story and that's something that's viable to him. It's something that's viable to him. It's something that's viable to him. It's just manipulative and just manipulative and just manipulative and really really sad and evil and gross. really really sad and evil and gross. really really sad and evil and gross. >> Oh, it just makes me so ill. In fact, um >> Oh, it just makes me so ill. In fact, um >> Oh, it just makes me so ill. In fact, um police say that they found out when police say that they found out when police say that they found out when talking to his friends that he had talking to his friends that he had talking to his friends that he had confided in one of his friends that um confided in one of his friends that um confided in one of his friends that um he was quote dating a teacher. In June he was quote dating a teacher. In June he was quote dating a teacher. In June of 2024, of 2024, of 2024, the vice principal at the school the vice principal at the school the vice principal at the school notified police about the suspicions notified police about the suspicions notified police about the suspicions that the staff had. Remember, we told that the staff had. Remember, we told that the staff had. Remember, we told you that teachers were starting to pick you that teachers were starting to pick you that teachers were starting to pick up on stuff and it just was not making up on stuff and it just was not making up on stuff and it just was not making sense. The Asbury Park Press reports sense. The Asbury Park Press reports sense. The Asbury Park Press reports that police then contacted the boy's that police then contacted the boy's that police then contacted the boy's mother. And she said she had been mother. And she said she had been mother. And she said she had been worried because her daughter, his worried because her daughter, his worried because her daughter, his sister, had seen him in the teacher's sister, had seen him in the teacher's sister, had seen him in the teacher's car, that he was also up late texting car, that he was also up late texting car, that he was also up late texting with someone or talking with someone on with someone or talking with someone on with someone or talking with someone on his phone. So, they they knew something his phone. So, they they knew something his phone. So, they they knew something something wasn't right, but they didn't something wasn't right, but they didn't something wasn't right, but they didn't know exactly what it was. And and when know exactly what it was. And and when know exactly what it was. And and when the police questioned the young man, the police questioned the young man, the police questioned the young man, he told them the cover story. Oh, I was he told them the cover story. Oh, I was he told them the cover story. Oh, I was dating the daughter, which of course was dating the daughter, which of course was dating the daughter, which of course was not true. And then eventually the young

not true. And then eventually the young not true. And then eventually the young man did tell his mother and the police man did tell his mother and the police man did tell his mother and the police what had really happened. what had really happened. what had really happened. And he was able to provide details of And he was able to provide details of And he was able to provide details of the where and the when, which then the where and the when, which then the where and the when, which then police could confirm forensically police could confirm forensically police could confirm forensically um through financial records and through um through financial records and through um through financial records and through her phone, his phone. Allison was her phone, his phone. Allison was her phone, his phone. Allison was finally arrested on June 26 of 2024 and finally arrested on June 26 of 2024 and finally arrested on June 26 of 2024 and as we said when police came to her door as we said when police came to her door as we said when police came to her door it was her dad that opened it. Oh my it was her dad that opened it. Oh my it was her dad that opened it. Oh my god. So the whole thing just surreal as god. So the whole thing just surreal as god. So the whole thing just surreal as we said. Now Allison was then indicted we said. Now Allison was then indicted we said. Now Allison was then indicted on seven counts including official on seven counts including official on seven counts including official misconduct, sexual assault and misconduct, sexual assault and misconduct, sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child um by endangering the welfare of a child um by endangering the welfare of a child um by way of the manufacturer of child sexual way of the manufacturer of child sexual way of the manufacturer of child sexual abuse materials. So, she was facing abuse materials. So, she was facing abuse materials. So, she was facing multiple multiple multiple very serious charges. very serious charges. very serious charges. >> And we've already talked about the most >> And we've already talked about the most >> And we've already talked about the most damning evidence in this, the text damning evidence in this, the text damning evidence in this, the text messages and the videotapes according to messages and the videotapes according to messages and the videotapes according to prosecutors. So, Allison struck a deal prosecutors. So, Allison struck a deal prosecutors. So, Allison struck a deal with prosecutors to avoid a public with prosecutors to avoid a public with prosecutors to avoid a public trial. Um, also to try and get some trial. Um, also to try and get some trial. Um, also to try and get some years off her sentence as if this judge years off her sentence as if this judge years off her sentence as if this judge was going to go easy on her. This judge was going to go easy on her. This judge was going to go easy on her. This judge was she was furious and I feel her fury.

was she was furious and I feel her fury. was she was furious and I feel her fury. >> It's appropriate. It's appropriate. So >> It's appropriate. It's appropriate. So >> It's appropriate. It's appropriate. So ultimately, prosecutors dropped six ultimately, prosecutors dropped six ultimately, prosecutors dropped six additional charges in exchange for additional charges in exchange for additional charges in exchange for Allison's guilty plea on one count of Allison's guilty plea on one count of Allison's guilty plea on one count of aggravated sexual assault. And then in aggravated sexual assault. And then in aggravated sexual assault. And then in January of 2026, this year, Allison January of 2026, this year, Allison January of 2026, this year, Allison formerly pleaded guilty to that one formerly pleaded guilty to that one formerly pleaded guilty to that one count of aggravated sexual assault. And count of aggravated sexual assault. And count of aggravated sexual assault. And I keep repeating it because this is what I keep repeating it because this is what I keep repeating it because this is what it is. This is abuse. it is. This is abuse. it is. This is abuse. At sentencing, the teen victim and his At sentencing, the teen victim and his At sentencing, the teen victim and his mother told the court that this abuse mother told the court that this abuse mother told the court that this abuse had changed him forever and that he had changed him forever and that he had changed him forever and that he struggles to focus on high school, that struggles to focus on high school, that struggles to focus on high school, that he has suffered from additional mental he has suffered from additional mental he has suffered from additional mental health problems. He suffers from fear, health problems. He suffers from fear, health problems. He suffers from fear, anxiety, and so much depression that the anxiety, and so much depression that the anxiety, and so much depression that the family told the court that he was taken family told the court that he was taken family told the court that he was taken to the hospital and that he was thinking to the hospital and that he was thinking to the hospital and that he was thinking of harming himself. He told the judge, of harming himself. He told the judge, of harming himself. He told the judge, "You can't sleep well." And this entire "You can't sleep well." And this entire "You can't sleep well." And this entire thing has been a nightmare. >> It's awful on so many levels. I I think >> It's awful on so many levels. I I think where we started where you were starting where we started where you were starting where we started where you were starting with this also what the school's with this also what the school's with this also what the school's involvement.

involvement. involvement. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> He was not being protected by at school >> He was not being protected by at school >> He was not being protected by at school and this was covered but not well and this was covered but not well and this was covered but not well covered the way the way I'm hearing it covered the way the way I'm hearing it covered the way the way I'm hearing it as well. And I think the school should as well. And I think the school should as well. And I think the school should have stepped in earlier, frankly, uh, to have stepped in earlier, frankly, uh, to have stepped in earlier, frankly, uh, to do a little more investigation. At at do a little more investigation. At at do a little more investigation. At at some point, they're on notice of what's some point, they're on notice of what's some point, they're on notice of what's happening. They believe this story. It's happening. They believe this story. It's happening. They believe this story. It's still very strange to have a student and still very strange to have a student and still very strange to have a student and a teacher driving together. Um, they it a teacher driving together. Um, they it a teacher driving together. Um, they it just I think the school probably could just I think the school probably could just I think the school probably could have done some digging um and stopped have done some digging um and stopped have done some digging um and stopped this a bit earlier as well. this a bit earlier as well. this a bit earlier as well. That is such a good point, Rachel. I That is such a good point, Rachel. I That is such a good point, Rachel. I think you're right. I I agree with you think you're right. I I agree with you think you're right. I I agree with you because six months is a long time. because six months is a long time. because six months is a long time. And it's not just one teacher, it's And it's not just one teacher, it's And it's not just one teacher, it's multiple teachers. multiple teachers. multiple teachers. Now, why are we waiting until the end of Now, why are we waiting until the end of Now, why are we waiting until the end of the school year to report this to the school year to report this to the school year to report this to police? police? police? That's right. You get one teacher giving That's right. You get one teacher giving That's right. You get one teacher giving a back massage to an eighth grader. I a back massage to an eighth grader. I a back massage to an eighth grader. I think you're you on notice. I think think you're you on notice. I think think you're you on notice. I think you're on notice. It's not normal you're on notice. It's not normal you're on notice. It's not normal behavior. It's um it's got to be against behavior. It's um it's got to be against behavior. It's um it's got to be against policy in some ways. They're the driving policy in some ways. They're the driving policy in some ways. They're the driving together. You you've got to go to your together. You you've got to go to your together. You you've got to go to your school policies and figure out the school policies and figure out the school policies and figure out the duties to investigate. I don't know if duties to investigate. I don't know if duties to investigate. I don't know if this family has gone to the school if this family has gone to the school if this family has gone to the school if there's a you know a lawsuit or there's a you know a lawsuit or there's a you know a lawsuit or something settled or in any regard. I something settled or in any regard. I something settled or in any regard. I think we we don't know that. But um I I think we we don't know that. But um I I think we we don't know that. But um I I think there is some responsibility here think there is some responsibility here think there is some responsibility here by schools, other teachers. Um, I I bet

by schools, other teachers. Um, I I bet by schools, other teachers. Um, I I bet if they question students, students if they question students, students if they question students, students would say something, too. would say something, too. would say something, too. >> Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. Here's >> Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. Here's >> Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. Here's the thing that I just um I find the most the thing that I just um I find the most the thing that I just um I find the most amazing thing here. The victim told the amazing thing here. The victim told the amazing thing here. The victim told the court that he forgave Allison for what court that he forgave Allison for what court that he forgave Allison for what she did. she did. she did. He showed much more emotional maturity He showed much more emotional maturity He showed much more emotional maturity in this situation than this former in this situation than this former in this situation than this former teacher who then broke down crying teacher who then broke down crying teacher who then broke down crying when she heard that she was forgiven. when she heard that she was forgiven. when she heard that she was forgiven. Oh, please lady, save those tears. Oh, please lady, save those tears. Oh, please lady, save those tears. I I agree. And I also wonder if the I I agree. And I also wonder if the I I agree. And I also wonder if the student has even processed the full student has even processed the full student has even processed the full gamut of emotions relating to all of gamut of emotions relating to all of gamut of emotions relating to all of this where he's been a victim kind of this where he's been a victim kind of this where he's been a victim kind of along for this along for this along for this horrible ride through being overwhelmed horrible ride through being overwhelmed horrible ride through being overwhelmed by this teacher barged by this teacher barged by this teacher barged um you know different sexual encounters.

um you know different sexual encounters. um you know different sexual encounters. It's like I I feel like he's been It's like I I feel like he's been It's like I I feel like he's been punched and punched and punched and punched and punched and punched and punched and punched and punched and punched and probably has in no way punched and probably has in no way punched and probably has in no way processed processed processed what will take many many many years to what will take many many many years to what will take many many many years to get through. get through. get through. And even though his identity has not And even though his identity has not And even though his identity has not been publicly revealed as kids are been publicly revealed as kids are been publicly revealed as kids are >> um and rumors and all of that, when he >> um and rumors and all of that, when he >> um and rumors and all of that, when he went on to high school and the the news went on to high school and the the news went on to high school and the the news of this broke that the teacher had been of this broke that the teacher had been of this broke that the teacher had been arrested and then charged with such arrested and then charged with such arrested and then charged with such serious charges, it didn't take long for serious charges, it didn't take long for serious charges, it didn't take long for students to figure out who it might be. students to figure out who it might be. students to figure out who it might be. And so he told the judge that it made it And so he told the judge that it made it And so he told the judge that it made it impossible for him to make friends at impossible for him to make friends at impossible for him to make friends at high school. Um, it made it impossible high school. Um, it made it impossible high school. Um, it made it impossible for him to focus on his studies. for him to focus on his studies. for him to focus on his studies. Understandably so. If everyone's Understandably so. If everyone's Understandably so. If everyone's whispering bei behind your back, that's whispering bei behind your back, that's whispering bei behind your back, that's that's the kid, that's the kid, that's the kid, he doesn't stand a chance. There's no he doesn't stand a chance. There's no he doesn't stand a chance. There's no way around this. I mean, this family's way around this. I mean, this family's way around this. I mean, this family's lives have been uprooted. Um, if they lives have been uprooted. Um, if they lives have been uprooted. Um, if they could move out of the district somewhere could move out of the district somewhere could move out of the district somewhere else, they are likely exploring that or else, they are likely exploring that or else, they are likely exploring that or have explored that. There's no way for have explored that. There's no way for have explored that. There's no way for this student's high school education to this student's high school education to this student's high school education to in any way be normal. 100% of the in any way be normal. 100% of the in any way be normal. 100% of the students know who it is. I am sure in students know who it is. I am sure in students know who it is. I am sure in that school.

that school. that school. >> I'm sure too. I'm sure too. Then Allison >> I'm sure too. I'm sure too. Then Allison >> I'm sure too. I'm sure too. Then Allison tells the court quote, "I apologize tells the court quote, "I apologize tells the court quote, "I apologize profusely for my actions." profusely for my actions." profusely for my actions." I know. I just for those of you I know. I just for those of you I know. I just for those of you listening, Rachel just rolled her eyes listening, Rachel just rolled her eyes listening, Rachel just rolled her eyes and I second that. and I second that. and I second that. Awful. I just honestly, lady, just shut Awful. I just honestly, lady, just shut Awful. I just honestly, lady, just shut up because there's not a thing that you up because there's not a thing that you up because there's not a thing that you can say that's gonna make this better. can say that's gonna make this better. can say that's gonna make this better. Now, according to reporters in the Now, according to reporters in the Now, according to reporters in the courtroom, Judge Jill G. Omali raised courtroom, Judge Jill G. Omali raised courtroom, Judge Jill G. Omali raised her voice at the defendant and told her voice at the defendant and told her voice at the defendant and told Allison, "You are his trauma. You ruined Allison, "You are his trauma. You ruined Allison, "You are his trauma. You ruined him." I absolutely agree. Few words, but him." I absolutely agree. Few words, but him." I absolutely agree. Few words, but they hit the spot. And then when handing they hit the spot. And then when handing they hit the spot. And then when handing down Allison's sentence, the judge noted down Allison's sentence, the judge noted down Allison's sentence, the judge noted how long the abuse went on for and then how long the abuse went on for and then how long the abuse went on for and then the grooming. So ultimately Allison was the grooming. So ultimately Allison was the grooming. So ultimately Allison was sentenced to 12 years in state prison. sentenced to 12 years in state prison. sentenced to 12 years in state prison. Under state law, Allison must serve 85% Under state law, Allison must serve 85% Under state law, Allison must serve 85% of her sentence before she can be of her sentence before she can be of her sentence before she can be considered for parole. So her e earliest considered for parole. So her e earliest considered for parole. So her e earliest possible release date would be 2036.

possible release date would be 2036. possible release date would be 2036. In addition to the prison sentence, she In addition to the prison sentence, she In addition to the prison sentence, she has been barred from contacting the has been barred from contacting the has been barred from contacting the victim and his family. Yes. Let's hope victim and his family. Yes. Let's hope victim and his family. Yes. Let's hope so. so. so. >> And she must register as a sex offender, >> And she must register as a sex offender, >> And she must register as a sex offender, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So, her teaching career is over. >> So, her teaching career is over. >> So, her teaching career is over. >> Oh, yeah. They took her certification >> Oh, yeah. They took her certification >> Oh, yeah. They took her certification away a long time ago. away a long time ago. away a long time ago. >> Yeah. And but she and >> Yeah. And but she and >> Yeah. And but she and she should not be around minors. I mean, she should not be around minors. I mean, she should not be around minors. I mean, there's so much here that she knew there's so much here that she knew there's so much here that she knew through her actions. She knew what she through her actions. She knew what she through her actions. She knew what she was doing. She knew what she was doing was doing. She knew what she was doing was doing. She knew what she was doing was wrong. There was some justification. was wrong. There was some justification. was wrong. There was some justification. she used. We don't know her history of she used. We don't know her history of she used. We don't know her history of abuse or or what what has happened in abuse or or what what has happened in abuse or or what what has happened in her life to make this hideous her life to make this hideous her life to make this hideous um person act in this way. But uh yes, um person act in this way. But uh yes, um person act in this way. But uh yes, there should be extreme precautions there should be extreme precautions there should be extreme precautions um um um on how she proceeds. And on how she proceeds. And on how she proceeds. And >> she can never be around minors. >> she can never be around minors. >> she can never be around minors. >> Like never. Not in a restaurant.

>> Like never. Not in a restaurant. >> Like never. Not in a restaurant. >> Nowhere she can't. And then and here's >> Nowhere she can't. And then and here's >> Nowhere she can't. And then and here's the other thing. Look, we talk about the other thing. Look, we talk about the other thing. Look, we talk about this a lot with cases because sometimes this a lot with cases because sometimes this a lot with cases because sometimes what ends up happening is that the what ends up happening is that the what ends up happening is that the family of the accused or the convicted family of the accused or the convicted family of the accused or the convicted felon, the person who caused the trauma, felon, the person who caused the trauma, felon, the person who caused the trauma, um that society or the community then um that society or the community then um that society or the community then goes after, let's say, the husband or goes after, let's say, the husband or goes after, let's say, the husband or the wife and said, "You should have the wife and said, "You should have the wife and said, "You should have known. You should have known. What did known. You should have known. What did known. You should have known. What did you Right?" And all of a sudden, they're you Right?" And all of a sudden, they're you Right?" And all of a sudden, they're being um accused of somehow being being um accused of somehow being being um accused of somehow being complicit in something that they claim complicit in something that they claim complicit in something that they claim and may very well not have known about. and may very well not have known about. and may very well not have known about. Now, what's interesting about this Now, what's interesting about this Now, what's interesting about this family is her family, her husband, her family is her family, her husband, her family is her family, her husband, her parents, everything. They all stood by parents, everything. They all stood by parents, everything. They all stood by her through this whole thing and they her through this whole thing and they her through this whole thing and they were even there at sentencing. And while were even there at sentencing. And while were even there at sentencing. And while this was all coming out and becoming this was all coming out and becoming this was all coming out and becoming public, her husband, Allison's husband, public, her husband, Allison's husband, public, her husband, Allison's husband, Eric, Eric, Eric, launched a desperate plea for money launched a desperate plea for money launched a desperate plea for money titled help provide normaly. this is for titled help provide normaly. this is for titled help provide normaly. this is for his family to keep our daughter in his family to keep our daughter in his family to keep our daughter in taekwondo classes.

taekwondo classes. taekwondo classes. Okay. And quote, Okay. And quote, Okay. And quote, I continue to stand by my wife and my I continue to stand by my wife and my I continue to stand by my wife and my daughters as I believe in grace and daughters as I believe in grace and daughters as I believe in grace and forgiveness and I believe this is what forgiveness and I believe this is what forgiveness and I believe this is what Jesus would do. This is what he wrote on Jesus would do. This is what he wrote on Jesus would do. This is what he wrote on the online fundraiser page according to the online fundraiser page according to the online fundraiser page according to the post and he hadn't really received the post and he hadn't really received the post and he hadn't really received that much money. because because please step back sir please step back sir please step back sir look at the bigger picture here of what look at the bigger picture here of what look at the bigger picture here of what your wife is accused of your wife is accused of your wife is accused of which is very serious of doing that to a which is very serious of doing that to a which is very serious of doing that to a minor. Mhm. minor. Mhm. minor. Mhm. >> And you're worried about how you're >> And you're worried about how you're >> And you're worried about how you're going to pay for your daughter's going to pay for your daughter's going to pay for your daughter's taekwondo classes. And no doubt her taekwondo classes. And no doubt her taekwondo classes. And no doubt her daughters are suffering. But whose fault daughters are suffering. But whose fault daughters are suffering. But whose fault is that? Whose fault is that? Right. I is that? Whose fault is that? Right. I is that? Whose fault is that? Right. I mean, I I think you're exactly right. I mean, I I think you're exactly right. I mean, I I think you're exactly right. I mean, this is all about their minor mean, this is all about their minor mean, this is all about their minor children and the effects they're having children and the effects they're having children and the effects they're having on their minor children and they're on their minor children and they're on their minor children and they're asking for public help from for their asking for public help from for their asking for public help from for their minor childrens to have normaly.

minor childrens to have normaly. minor childrens to have normaly. Meanwhile, there is a child melting Meanwhile, there is a child melting Meanwhile, there is a child melting somewhere from these acts. And somewhere from these acts. And somewhere from these acts. And this is tonedeaf. I mean, it's it seems this is tonedeaf. I mean, it's it seems this is tonedeaf. I mean, it's it seems in a lot of ways in a lot of ways in a lot of ways unbelievable that he's sticking by her. unbelievable that he's sticking by her. unbelievable that he's sticking by her. Um, it's a betrayal, not just in in a Um, it's a betrayal, not just in in a Um, it's a betrayal, not just in in a marriage. I mean, it's so beyond that. marriage. I mean, it's so beyond that. marriage. I mean, it's so beyond that. Um, Um, Um, but then to to come out with that kind but then to to come out with that kind but then to to come out with that kind of help. I mean, maybe she's manipulated of help. I mean, maybe she's manipulated of help. I mean, maybe she's manipulated him in a lot of ways. I mean, there's him in a lot of ways. I mean, there's him in a lot of ways. I mean, there's there's a lot going on here um that there's a lot going on here um that there's a lot going on here um that we cannot explain. You know, we cuz we cannot explain. You know, we cuz we cannot explain. You know, we cuz right now it seems inexplicable that he right now it seems inexplicable that he right now it seems inexplicable that he would be standing by her in these ways would be standing by her in these ways would be standing by her in these ways asking for normaly for his children asking for normaly for his children asking for normaly for his children while another child is in so much pain. while another child is in so much pain. while another child is in so much pain. And again, the the inexplicable And again, the the inexplicable And again, the the inexplicable relationship, it there is just a lot relationship, it there is just a lot relationship, it there is just a lot going on here.

going on here. going on here. >> Oh, it's a lot. And you know, I could >> Oh, it's a lot. And you know, I could >> Oh, it's a lot. And you know, I could have understood and maybe it's how it have understood and maybe it's how it have understood and maybe it's how it all came out. Look, I'm sure those all came out. Look, I'm sure those all came out. Look, I'm sure those girls, they they this is not their fault girls, they they this is not their fault girls, they they this is not their fault and they do need normaly and they need and they do need normaly and they need and they do need normaly and they need protection without question. And I I do protection without question. And I I do protection without question. And I I do feel very badly for them because they're feel very badly for them because they're feel very badly for them because they're young and how are they going to process young and how are they going to process young and how are they going to process this? But what was lost in that, you this? But what was lost in that, you this? But what was lost in that, you know, you could have said the very same know, you could have said the very same know, you could have said the very same thing. The father could have said the thing. The father could have said the thing. The father could have said the very same thing. Please, you know, don't very same thing. Please, you know, don't very same thing. Please, you know, don't judge my daughters here. They're judge my daughters here. They're judge my daughters here. They're suffering. This isn't their fault suffering. This isn't their fault suffering. This isn't their fault and could have said something about, you and could have said something about, you and could have said something about, you know, and now I really understand that know, and now I really understand that know, and now I really understand that based on what this poor young man is based on what this poor young man is based on what this poor young man is going through and and his family, but going through and and his family, but going through and and his family, but that was not it. It was about, you know, that was not it. It was about, you know, that was not it. It was about, you know, we need help. We're victims here. I'm we need help. We're victims here. I'm we need help. We're victims here. I'm like, m no, you you are the girls for like, m no, you you are the girls for like, m no, you you are the girls for sure are victims of the situation, but sure are victims of the situation, but sure are victims of the situation, but there is no one to blame but their there is no one to blame but their there is no one to blame but their mother on this one. And I'm sorry. So, I mother on this one. And I'm sorry. So, I mother on this one. And I'm sorry. So, I just thought, God, that really bugged just thought, God, that really bugged just thought, God, that really bugged me.

me. me. You get that in the arrest, too, how she You get that in the arrest, too, how she You get that in the arrest, too, how she felt very entitled and what, you know, felt very entitled and what, you know, felt very entitled and what, you know, what are the things I'm going to get in what are the things I'm going to get in what are the things I'm going to get in this arrest and how is this going to this arrest and how is this going to this arrest and how is this going to happen? and wait, my mother's sick and I happen? and wait, my mother's sick and I happen? and wait, my mother's sick and I I we need to worry about her oxygen and I we need to worry about her oxygen and I we need to worry about her oxygen and then this. I mean, you felt like she was then this. I mean, you felt like she was then this. I mean, you felt like she was giving the police a laundry list of giving the police a laundry list of giving the police a laundry list of to-dos while she was getting arrested to-dos while she was getting arrested to-dos while she was getting arrested for these very heinous acts. So, you for these very heinous acts. So, you for these very heinous acts. So, you really do get a sense that no one is really do get a sense that no one is really do get a sense that no one is understanding the realities and the understanding the realities and the understanding the realities and the seriousness of the situation. seriousness of the situation. seriousness of the situation. >> Yeah, she had demands for the police as >> Yeah, she had demands for the police as >> Yeah, she had demands for the police as she's being arrested. Unbelievable how she's being arrested. Unbelievable how she's being arrested. Unbelievable how they kept calm during this whole thing. they kept calm during this whole thing. they kept calm during this whole thing. Well, I'll be very curious to hear all Well, I'll be very curious to hear all Well, I'll be very curious to hear all your thoughts on whether you believe your thoughts on whether you believe your thoughts on whether you believe that justice has been served here. Do that justice has been served here. Do that justice has been served here. Do you think that 12 years in prison? If you think that 12 years in prison? If you think that 12 years in prison? If you know, we don't know that she'll you know, we don't know that she'll you know, we don't know that she'll serve the full 12, but do you believe serve the full 12, but do you believe serve the full 12, but do you believe justice has been served here? And also, justice has been served here? And also, justice has been served here? And also, I want to hear your thoughts. Do you I want to hear your thoughts. Do you I want to hear your thoughts. Do you believe that the school believe that the school believe that the school intervened soon enough? As uh Rachel intervened soon enough? As uh Rachel intervened soon enough? As uh Rachel brings into question, it is time for our brings into question, it is time for our brings into question, it is time for our comment section. These are the crime comment section. These are the crime comment section. These are the crime cases that you all are talking about on cases that you all are talking about on cases that you all are talking about on social media. And here's our producer, social media. And here's our producer, social media. And here's our producer, Will Updike, who's in the office today.

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>> Oh, that'd be fun. >> Oh, that'd be fun. >> Okay, let's play that everyone. >> Okay, let's play that everyone. >> Okay, let's play that everyone. >> That's great. Um, this case is not so >> That's great. Um, this case is not so >> That's great. Um, this case is not so great. Um, we got a comment of a fake great. Um, we got a comment of a fake great. Um, we got a comment of a fake footballer scamming some women. I don't footballer scamming some women. I don't footballer scamming some women. I don't know if you've seen this one. It's it's know if you've seen this one. It's it's know if you've seen this one. It's it's kind of everywhere. It's a federal case. kind of everywhere. It's a federal case. kind of everywhere. It's a federal case. There's victims in this one from There's victims in this one from There's victims in this one from California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho. California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho. California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho. But basically, according to federal But basically, according to federal But basically, according to federal prosecutors, Dejon Love stole about $1.3 prosecutors, Dejon Love stole about $1.3 prosecutors, Dejon Love stole about $1.3 million from over $2 dozen women by million from over $2 dozen women by million from over $2 dozen women by pretending to be a player for the San pretending to be a player for the San pretending to be a player for the San Francisco 49ers and offering these like Francisco 49ers and offering these like Francisco 49ers and offering these like lucrative investment opportunities. Oh, lucrative investment opportunities. Oh, lucrative investment opportunities. Oh, >> and if you haven't seen this, like I you >> and if you haven't seen this, like I you >> and if you haven't seen this, like I you know, it's all over the internet. know, it's all over the internet. know, it's all over the internet. >> I don't know how I missed it. I think >> I don't know how I missed it. I think >> I don't know how I missed it. I think it's cuz it's all Lindsy Clancy all the it's cuz it's all Lindsy Clancy all the it's cuz it's all Lindsy Clancy all the time. time. time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is like this one >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is like this one >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is like this one is the other one that's happening right is the other one that's happening right is the other one that's happening right now that's uh that people are excited now that's uh that people are excited now that's uh that people are excited about. So, I like a big part of this is about. So, I like a big part of this is about. So, I like a big part of this is there's so many videos that this guy there's so many videos that this guy there's so many videos that this guy allegedly sent to women to sort of like allegedly sent to women to sort of like allegedly sent to women to sort of like justify and back up these schemes. and justify and back up these schemes. and justify and back up these schemes. and he had like this whole elaborate he had like this whole elaborate he had like this whole elaborate Instagram where like he's carrying Instagram where like he's carrying Instagram where like he's carrying around a 49ers helmet all the time. He around a 49ers helmet all the time. He around a 49ers helmet all the time. He has like different team gear on. Uh he's has like different team gear on. Uh he's has like different team gear on. Uh he's like doing phony drills on the beach like doing phony drills on the beach like doing phony drills on the beach where he's like running around cones and where he's like running around cones and where he's like running around cones and catching a football. I will say like catching a football. I will say like catching a football. I will say like it's very easy to check the roster of it's very easy to check the roster of it's very easy to check the roster of any professional sports team. So, I any professional sports team. So, I any professional sports team. So, I would say, you know, if somebody's would say, you know, if somebody's would say, you know, if somebody's pretending to be a professional athlete pretending to be a professional athlete pretending to be a professional athlete coming to you with an investment coming to you with an investment coming to you with an investment opportunity, the bare minimum of due

opportunity, the bare minimum of due opportunity, the bare minimum of due diligence I'm going to say is probably diligence I'm going to say is probably diligence I'm going to say is probably just make sure that they're actually on just make sure that they're actually on just make sure that they're actually on the roster. But that is not to say the roster. But that is not to say the roster. But that is not to say anything against these victims because anything against these victims because anything against these victims because we're going to get into this scam and we're going to get into this scam and we're going to get into this scam and there was a there was a lot more to it there was a there was a lot more to it there was a there was a lot more to it than uh than people just being wooed by than uh than people just being wooed by than uh than people just being wooed by a football player. So, detectives claim a football player. So, detectives claim a football player. So, detectives claim this all started back in February of this all started back in February of this all started back in February of 2022 when Dejon and his alleged 2022 when Dejon and his alleged 2022 when Dejon and his alleged accomplice Taylor Chan began meeting accomplice Taylor Chan began meeting accomplice Taylor Chan began meeting women through dating apps and then sort women through dating apps and then sort women through dating apps and then sort of presenting these fictitious of presenting these fictitious of presenting these fictitious investments to defraud them. Now, investments to defraud them. Now, investments to defraud them. Now, authorities claim that Taylor here acted authorities claim that Taylor here acted authorities claim that Taylor here acted as Dejan's business manager and helped as Dejan's business manager and helped as Dejan's business manager and helped in this scheme. Now, this is kind of in this scheme. Now, this is kind of in this scheme. Now, this is kind of wild because Taylor, who was uh just wild because Taylor, who was uh just wild because Taylor, who was uh just recently arrested, is 18 now. meaning recently arrested, is 18 now. meaning recently arrested, is 18 now. meaning that if all this is what prosecutors say that if all this is what prosecutors say that if all this is what prosecutors say is true, he was acting as his business is true, he was acting as his business is true, he was acting as his business manager when he was 14 years old as part manager when he was 14 years old as part manager when he was 14 years old as part of of of >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Yeah. So that's like kind of a wild >> Yeah. So that's like kind of a wild >> Yeah. So that's like kind of a wild thing too. Uh and you know it it's kind thing too. Uh and you know it it's kind thing too. Uh and you know it it's kind of the classic sort of scammer sort of of the classic sort of scammer sort of of the classic sort of scammer sort of Instagram thing like obviously to keep Instagram thing like obviously to keep Instagram thing like obviously to keep up this perception of wealth. You know up this perception of wealth. You know up this perception of wealth. You know he's he's living this lavish lifestyle.

he's he's living this lavish lifestyle. he's he's living this lavish lifestyle. How that's really happening is you know How that's really happening is you know How that's really happening is you know from these investors and uh and yada from these investors and uh and yada from these investors and uh and yada yada yada. Uh, so like I said, he he yada yada. Uh, so like I said, he he yada yada. Uh, so like I said, he he pretends to be a wide receiver for the pretends to be a wide receiver for the pretends to be a wide receiver for the San Francisco 49ers. He has these San Francisco 49ers. He has these San Francisco 49ers. He has these increasingly elaborate props and increasingly elaborate props and increasingly elaborate props and costumes and schemes. There's like one costumes and schemes. There's like one costumes and schemes. There's like one where he's like, "I'm definitely a where he's like, "I'm definitely a where he's like, "I'm definitely a player for the 49ers. Look, they sent me player for the 49ers. Look, they sent me player for the 49ers. Look, they sent me this cake." And he got a custom cake this cake." And he got a custom cake this cake." And he got a custom cake made in the video with a 49ers jersey made in the video with a 49ers jersey made in the video with a 49ers jersey with his number and name on it. Again, I with his number and name on it. Again, I with his number and name on it. Again, I mean, the preposterousness of it is is mean, the preposterousness of it is is mean, the preposterousness of it is is just like a little bit laughable. But just like a little bit laughable. But just like a little bit laughable. But again, you got to feel for these victims again, you got to feel for these victims again, you got to feel for these victims because what happened like like I said, because what happened like like I said, because what happened like like I said, they're meeting through these dating they're meeting through these dating they're meeting through these dating apps. And I think that where he was apps. And I think that where he was apps. And I think that where he was clever or like where this kind of worked clever or like where this kind of worked clever or like where this kind of worked is that he would create genuine is that he would create genuine is that he would create genuine relationships with with these women relationships with with these women relationships with with these women before he was scammed. Yeah. Exactly. before he was scammed. Yeah. Exactly. before he was scammed. Yeah. Exactly. you know, and a lot of these women were you know, and a lot of these women were you know, and a lot of these women were under the, you know, they were under the under the, you know, they were under the under the, you know, they were under the impression that they were in these, you impression that they were in these, you impression that they were in these, you know, sincere sort of um relationships.

know, sincere sort of um relationships. know, sincere sort of um relationships. And then he would say, you know, hey, And then he would say, you know, hey, And then he would say, you know, hey, uh, you you ought to meet my financial uh, you you ought to meet my financial uh, you you ought to meet my financial advisor. He made me, you know, millions advisor. He made me, you know, millions advisor. He made me, you know, millions and millions of dollars. And I think and millions of dollars. And I think and millions of dollars. And I think this could be kind of good for our this could be kind of good for our this could be kind of good for our future to, you know, secure a better future to, you know, secure a better future to, you know, secure a better financial future for the both of us. So, financial future for the both of us. So, financial future for the both of us. So, you can see if you were in love with you can see if you were in love with you can see if you were in love with somebody like that, you know, it's it's somebody like that, you know, it's it's somebody like that, you know, it's it's it's pretty crazy. And then of course, it's pretty crazy. And then of course, it's pretty crazy. And then of course, you know, they have they back all this you know, they have they back all this you know, they have they back all this stuff up with like, you know, stuff up with like, you know, stuff up with like, you know, screenshots of phony bank statements. screenshots of phony bank statements. screenshots of phony bank statements. They would allegedly tell people uh who They would allegedly tell people uh who They would allegedly tell people uh who had invested money, they would give them had invested money, they would give them had invested money, they would give them like indications that their investment like indications that their investment like indications that their investment had grown. Uh so some of them aren't had grown. Uh so some of them aren't had grown. Uh so some of them aren't realizing right away. And then realizing right away. And then realizing right away. And then essentially what what prosecutors say is essentially what what prosecutors say is essentially what what prosecutors say is once the victims either had no more once the victims either had no more once the victims either had no more money to invest or uh started asking too money to invest or uh started asking too money to invest or uh started asking too many questions, they would essentially many questions, they would essentially many questions, they would essentially be blocked and the money would be kept. be blocked and the money would be kept. be blocked and the money would be kept. Uh like I said, uh financial records Uh like I said, uh financial records Uh like I said, uh financial records show that between these two defendants, show that between these two defendants, show that between these two defendants, uh federal prosecutors say that they uh federal prosecutors say that they uh federal prosecutors say that they stole $1.3 million from about 26 stole $1.3 million from about 26 stole $1.3 million from about 26 identified victims, but the FBI thinks identified victims, but the FBI thinks identified victims, but the FBI thinks there could be even more. Um so that there could be even more. Um so that there could be even more. Um so that number could grow. Now, uh, arrest number could grow. Now, uh, arrest number could grow. Now, uh, arrest warrants, uh, were issued on August 17th warrants, uh, were issued on August 17th warrants, uh, were issued on August 17th after this long investigation. And, uh, after this long investigation. And, uh, after this long investigation. And, uh, both Dejon and his, uh, alleged both Dejon and his, uh, alleged both Dejon and his, uh, alleged accomplice here, uh, Taylor, were accomplice here, uh, Taylor, were accomplice here, uh, Taylor, were arrested, uh, about a week later on the arrested, uh, about a week later on the arrested, uh, about a week later on the 25th. So, that's kind of how this whole 25th. So, that's kind of how this whole 25th. So, that's kind of how this whole thing has come into the news. But, we're thing has come into the news. But, we're thing has come into the news. But, we're seeing a lot more of this stuff. Like, seeing a lot more of this stuff. Like, seeing a lot more of this stuff. Like, I'm sure this has always happened, but I

I'm sure this has always happened, but I I'm sure this has always happened, but I I don't know. What do you think? like is I don't know. What do you think? like is I don't know. What do you think? like is the the invention of Instagram where you the the invention of Instagram where you the the invention of Instagram where you can kind of like where with and social can kind of like where with and social can kind of like where with and social media in general where you can kind of media in general where you can kind of media in general where you can kind of present this lavish sort of lifestyle present this lavish sort of lifestyle present this lavish sort of lifestyle and thing. Do you think that's and thing. Do you think that's and thing. Do you think that's proliferating these types of scams? I proliferating these types of scams? I proliferating these types of scams? I mean, I I it seems like it happens all mean, I I it seems like it happens all mean, I I it seems like it happens all the time now. the time now. the time now. >> Well, Rachel is an expert on white >> Well, Rachel is an expert on white >> Well, Rachel is an expert on white collar crimes. It's one of her areas of collar crimes. It's one of her areas of collar crimes. It's one of her areas of expertise expertise expertise and I know that this is, you know, not and I know that this is, you know, not and I know that this is, you know, not quite, but it's it's a quite, but it's it's a quite, but it's it's a >> Oh, yeah. This is exactly white collar >> Oh, yeah. This is exactly white collar >> Oh, yeah. This is exactly white collar crime. crime. crime. >> This is done poorly. >> This is done poorly. >> This is done poorly. >> Usually it's it's um >> Usually it's it's um >> Usually it's it's um look this is white collar crime. This is look this is white collar crime. This is look this is white collar crime. This is taking advantage of people lying to them taking advantage of people lying to them taking advantage of people lying to them to get money. So that that is fraud and to get money. So that that is fraud and to get money. So that that is fraud and Instagram is helping perpetuate the Instagram is helping perpetuate the Instagram is helping perpetuate the fraud. I mean it this there was fraud. I mean it this there was fraud. I mean it this there was verifiable information here that people verifiable information here that people verifiable information here that people were not checking but it when you're were not checking but it when you're were not checking but it when you're meeting people you might not be doing meeting people you might not be doing meeting people you might not be doing that necessarily.

that necessarily. that necessarily. Um but yeah this is exactly on a it goes Um but yeah this is exactly on a it goes Um but yeah this is exactly on a it goes big to small. I mean some people get big to small. I mean some people get big to small. I mean some people get $100,000 or even less they get but they $100,000 or even less they get but they $100,000 or even less they get but they get thousands of dollars and there's so get thousands of dollars and there's so get thousands of dollars and there's so many stories of this happening these many stories of this happening these many stories of this happening these days. um whether taking advantage of days. um whether taking advantage of days. um whether taking advantage of older people or um older people or um older people or um women a lot of women are being taken women a lot of women are being taken women a lot of women are being taken advantage of and this is happening and I advantage of and this is happening and I advantage of and this is happening and I think the Instagram helps it helps think the Instagram helps it helps think the Instagram helps it helps verify well I've seen the pictures of verify well I've seen the pictures of verify well I've seen the pictures of course he's on the 49ers he's got a course he's on the 49ers he's got a course he's on the 49ers he's got a helmet helmet helmet >> he's got a cake >> he's got a cake >> he's got a cake >> he's got a cake uh but it I think it's >> he's got a cake uh but it I think it's >> he's got a cake uh but it I think it's not just I mean this is kind of an not just I mean this is kind of an not just I mean this is kind of an entertaining one in a lot of ways we entertaining one in a lot of ways we entertaining one in a lot of ways we actually at our office discussed this at actually at our office discussed this at actually at our office discussed this at lunch yesterday. Oh. lunch yesterday. Oh. lunch yesterday. Oh. >> Um, you know, and my husband was like, >> Um, you know, and my husband was like, >> Um, you know, and my husband was like, "Well, if you watched him play football "Well, if you watched him play football "Well, if you watched him play football on the beach, you knew he wasn't a wide on the beach, you knew he wasn't a wide on the beach, you knew he wasn't a wide receiver." You know, receiver." You know, receiver." You know, >> there's a lot of there's a lot of tells. >> there's a lot of there's a lot of tells. >> there's a lot of there's a lot of tells. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, >> So, >> So, um, but there is um um, but there is um um, but there is um there there is a lot of this going on there there is a lot of this going on there there is a lot of this going on which the internet makes things more which the internet makes things more which the internet makes things more verifiable for reality. Like you can verifiable for reality. Like you can verifiable for reality. Like you can actually check a lot of things, but you actually check a lot of things, but you actually check a lot of things, but you have to want to do that. And when you're have to want to do that. And when you're have to want to do that. And when you're getting a feeling or an emotion or getting a feeling or an emotion or getting a feeling or an emotion or somebody feels trustworthy, you might somebody feels trustworthy, you might somebody feels trustworthy, you might not want to check out their references.

not want to check out their references. not want to check out their references. You might be more inclined to want to You might be more inclined to want to You might be more inclined to want to believe them. And so there's a lot of, believe them. And so there's a lot of, believe them. And so there's a lot of, you know, if it's too good to be true, you know, if it's too good to be true, you know, if it's too good to be true, always in Ponzi schemes, I I I you you always in Ponzi schemes, I I I you you always in Ponzi schemes, I I I you you kind of see them happening. If it sounds kind of see them happening. If it sounds kind of see them happening. If it sounds too good to be true, it's too good to be too good to be true, it's too good to be too good to be true, it's too good to be true. And the same things are here where true. And the same things are here where true. And the same things are here where like you're getting love and money like like you're getting love and money like like you're getting love and money like that that's probably too good to be true that that's probably too good to be true that that's probably too good to be true um in the initial instance here. But um um in the initial instance here. But um um in the initial instance here. But um yes, I think the internet both helps if yes, I think the internet both helps if yes, I think the internet both helps if you are digging deep, you can find the you are digging deep, you can find the you are digging deep, you can find the scam and it um hurts because it looks scam and it um hurts because it looks scam and it um hurts because it looks like legitimate information coming at like legitimate information coming at like legitimate information coming at you which if you're inclined to believe you which if you're inclined to believe you which if you're inclined to believe someone, it it you know it corroborates someone, it it you know it corroborates someone, it it you know it corroborates that belief. that belief. that belief. >> Yeah. Well, I mean that's the the whole >> Yeah. Well, I mean that's the the whole >> Yeah. Well, I mean that's the the whole thing, right? like a con man is called, thing, right? like a con man is called, thing, right? like a con man is called, you know, a confidence man that like you know, a confidence man that like you know, a confidence man that like essentially they're, you know, they're essentially they're, you know, they're essentially they're, you know, they're they're making you feel confident in they're making you feel confident in they're making you feel confident in these decisions, these financial these decisions, these financial these decisions, these financial decisions. So, I think that's like a an decisions. So, I think that's like a an decisions. So, I think that's like a an an underrated element of of the whole an underrated element of of the whole an underrated element of of the whole thing. But I'm I'm just like just thing. But I'm I'm just like just thing. But I'm I'm just like just running the numbers loosely here. That running the numbers loosely here. That running the numbers loosely here. That 26 victims for 1.3 million, that's like 26 victims for 1.3 million, that's like 26 victims for 1.3 million, that's like 50 grand a piece, which you know I is a 50 grand a piece, which you know I is a 50 grand a piece, which you know I is a lot of money, not like you know millions lot of money, not like you know millions lot of money, not like you know millions and millions of dollars. But you can see and millions of dollars. But you can see and millions of dollars. But you can see how you know some of these victims you how you know some of these victims you how you know some of these victims you could get talked into, you know, 10 20 could get talked into, you know, 10 20 could get talked into, you know, 10 20 grand and then things kind of start grand and then things kind of start grand and then things kind of start snowballing and uh and all of a sudden snowballing and uh and all of a sudden snowballing and uh and all of a sudden it's completely out of control. Um but it's completely out of control. Um but it's completely out of control. Um but yeah, feel for these victims. What what yeah, feel for these victims. What what yeah, feel for these victims. What what is there any re like there's essentially is there any re like there's essentially is there any re like there's essentially no recourse in this for victims if if

no recourse in this for victims if if no recourse in this for victims if if there is a conviction or anything right there is a conviction or anything right there is a conviction or anything right uh uh uh >> it depends on if he has you know they >> it depends on if he has you know they >> it depends on if he has you know they find the honeypot somewhere it 1.3 find the honeypot somewhere it 1.3 find the honeypot somewhere it 1.3 million he's probably spent all of that million he's probably spent all of that million he's probably spent all of that >> but there are larger >> but there are larger >> but there are larger >> you know often schemes where you can >> you know often schemes where you can >> you know often schemes where you can sometimes find the money but in I yes I sometimes find the money but in I yes I sometimes find the money but in I yes I mean there it usually the victims lose a mean there it usually the victims lose a mean there it usually the victims lose a lot of times these schemes happen at lot of times these schemes happen at lot of times these schemes happen at church. So they they come to trusted church. So they they come to trusted church. So they they come to trusted people. People trust you inherently. Um people. People trust you inherently. Um people. People trust you inherently. Um >> but uh there's some chance of recovery. >> but uh there's some chance of recovery. >> but uh there's some chance of recovery. The government will definitely try to The government will definitely try to The government will definitely try to recover on these women's behalfs and if recover on these women's behalfs and if recover on these women's behalfs and if there's any property, you know, they there's any property, you know, they there's any property, you know, they they'll they could get some sort of they'll they could get some sort of they'll they could get some sort of sense on the dollar potentially through sense on the dollar potentially through sense on the dollar potentially through a restitution. a restitution. a restitution. >> Yeah. Yeah. Some something would be >> Yeah. Yeah. Some something would be >> Yeah. Yeah. Some something would be nice. Um we got a lot of comments on nice. Um we got a lot of comments on nice. Um we got a lot of comments on this one. There's been comments all this one. There's been comments all this one. There's been comments all across the internet, but uh we got a lot across the internet, but uh we got a lot across the internet, but uh we got a lot of comments on this mug shot uh which of comments on this mug shot uh which of comments on this mug shot uh which was released. It's kind of like the was released. It's kind of like the was released. It's kind of like the first thing that's uh come out from first thing that's uh come out from first thing that's uh come out from Dejon since this whole thing was sort of Dejon since this whole thing was sort of Dejon since this whole thing was sort of announced. Uh the like I said, there's a announced. Uh the like I said, there's a announced. Uh the like I said, there's a lot of pictures of him uh you know with lot of pictures of him uh you know with lot of pictures of him uh you know with this different gear and there's a very this different gear and there's a very this different gear and there's a very po there's a bunch of very popular ones po there's a bunch of very popular ones po there's a bunch of very popular ones where he's wearing this 49ers headband.

where he's wearing this 49ers headband. where he's wearing this 49ers headband. Uh people are saying now with this mug Uh people are saying now with this mug Uh people are saying now with this mug shot squat said now I see why he needed shot squat said now I see why he needed shot squat said now I see why he needed the headband which has a large forehead. the headband which has a large forehead. the headband which has a large forehead. Uh, NE OB said that forehead should have Uh, NE OB said that forehead should have Uh, NE OB said that forehead should have been enough of a red flag, which hey, been enough of a red flag, which hey, been enough of a red flag, which hey, we're we're not judging people on we're we're not judging people on we're we're not judging people on foreheads here. Uh, but this one did get foreheads here. Uh, but this one did get foreheads here. Uh, but this one did get me. Realist Jay said he's the real me. Realist Jay said he's the real me. Realist Jay said he's the real football head, which I was a huge Hey football head, which I was a huge Hey football head, which I was a huge Hey Arnold fan as a kid, so move it, Arnold fan as a kid, so move it, Arnold fan as a kid, so move it, football head. Get out of here, Dejon. football head. Get out of here, Dejon. football head. Get out of here, Dejon. Uh, Betty D has some financial advice. Uh, Betty D has some financial advice. Uh, Betty D has some financial advice. Uh, they said, "Ladies, put your money Uh, they said, "Ladies, put your money Uh, they said, "Ladies, put your money towards retirement, not rejects." which towards retirement, not rejects." which towards retirement, not rejects." which yeah, but but if if you if you're yeah, but but if if you if you're yeah, but but if if you if you're looking for an investment opportunity, looking for an investment opportunity, looking for an investment opportunity, you know, look towards your IRA. Look, you know, look towards your IRA. Look, you know, look towards your IRA. Look, you know, look, maybe just go a little you know, look, maybe just go a little you know, look, maybe just go a little smaller. Let's I think that's a common smaller. Let's I think that's a common smaller. Let's I think that's a common scheme with common thing with all these scheme with common thing with all these scheme with common thing with all these schemes, right, Rachel? Like it's a schemes, right, Rachel? Like it's a schemes, right, Rachel? Like it's a little too good to be true. Like maybe little too good to be true. Like maybe little too good to be true. Like maybe don't shoot for the the unrealistic don't shoot for the the unrealistic don't shoot for the the unrealistic return here. return here. return here. >> Uh yeah, let's keep it safe. Keep your >> Uh yeah, let's keep it safe. Keep your >> Uh yeah, let's keep it safe. Keep your money sound. Mare said, "I don't money sound. Mare said, "I don't money sound. Mare said, "I don't understand. If he's the millionaire, why understand. If he's the millionaire, why understand. If he's the millionaire, why are they giving him money?" Which again, are they giving him money?" Which again, are they giving him money?" Which again, great question. Always great question. Always great question. Always >> because you want to be a millionaire, >> because you want to be a millionaire, >> because you want to be a millionaire, too.

too. too. >> Yeah. Yeah. But >> Yeah. Yeah. But >> Yeah. Yeah. But they're not usually giving you those they're not usually giving you those they're not usually giving you those opportunities. opportunities. opportunities. Most millionaires aren't soliciting Most millionaires aren't soliciting Most millionaires aren't soliciting people that they meet on dating apps to people that they meet on dating apps to people that they meet on dating apps to uh for for lucrative investment uh for for lucrative investment uh for for lucrative investment opportunities. So, let's keep that one opportunities. So, let's keep that one opportunities. So, let's keep that one in mind. Let's let's end these romantic in mind. Let's let's end these romantic in mind. Let's let's end these romantic scams. Um shouldn't play with people's scams. Um shouldn't play with people's scams. Um shouldn't play with people's money or their emotions. But uh at least money or their emotions. But uh at least money or their emotions. But uh at least out of this one, we got a couple of good out of this one, we got a couple of good out of this one, we got a couple of good laughs. But that'll do it for this laughs. But that'll do it for this laughs. But that'll do it for this week's comment section. I want to thank week's comment section. I want to thank week's comment section. I want to thank everybody who left those. You can do everybody who left those. You can do everybody who left those. You can do that on our YouTube community page. that on our YouTube community page. that on our YouTube community page. We're also across all social media We're also across all social media We're also across all social media platforms at my true crime news. But platforms at my true crime news. But platforms at my true crime news. But that'll do it for me this week. Till that'll do it for me this week. Till that'll do it for me this week. Till next week, don't do crime. Rachel, it is next week, don't do crime. Rachel, it is next week, don't do crime. Rachel, it is always such a pleasure having you on the always such a pleasure having you on the always such a pleasure having you on the podcast. It's so interesting. You know, podcast. It's so interesting. You know, podcast. It's so interesting. You know, people I feel like we've developed this people I feel like we've developed this people I feel like we've developed this virtual relationship, but we've never virtual relationship, but we've never virtual relationship, but we've never met in person. met in person. met in person. >> Studio. >> Studio. >> Studio. >> The studio. we'll finally get to meet. >> The studio. we'll finally get to meet. >> The studio. we'll finally get to meet. Maybe we could grab dinner. I be I Maybe we could grab dinner. I be I Maybe we could grab dinner. I be I become very attached to our guests over become very attached to our guests over become very attached to our guests over the years. the years. the years. >> I I I love these conversations and we >> I I I love these conversations and we >> I I I love these conversations and we learn so much about each other through learn so much about each other through learn so much about each other through them also.

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