He orchestrated a victim’s assault to break her faith

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the program. Welcome, John. the program. Welcome, John. >> Oh, Anna, thanks for having me. >> Oh, Anna, thanks for having me. >> Oh, Anna, thanks for having me. >> Oh, this is great. And I think this case >> Oh, this is great. And I think this case >> Oh, this is great. And I think this case will um be something which you can truly will um be something which you can truly will um be something which you can truly help us through because it's an unusual help us through because it's an unusual help us through because it's an unusual sexual assault case in the sense that sexual assault case in the sense that sexual assault case in the sense that the perpetrator who's been convicted the perpetrator who's been convicted the perpetrator who's been convicted here is not the one who assaulted her, here is not the one who assaulted her, here is not the one who assaulted her, but the one who plotted this insane but the one who plotted this insane but the one who plotted this insane thing. thing. thing. >> Yeah. He was the mastermind according to >> Yeah. He was the mastermind according to >> Yeah. He was the mastermind according to law enforcement. And to unpack this, you law enforcement. And to unpack this, you law enforcement. And to unpack this, you have to just wrap your head around these have to just wrap your head around these have to just wrap your head around these disturbing facts. The motivation which disturbing facts. The motivation which disturbing facts. The motivation which was somehow apparently to break this was somehow apparently to break this was somehow apparently to break this woman's religious faith. And I mean to woman's religious faith. And I mean to woman's religious faith. And I mean to try to understand the motivation means try to understand the motivation means try to understand the motivation means you've got to delve into the depths of you've got to delve into the depths of you've got to delve into the depths of the e most evil and darkest places of the e most evil and darkest places of the e most evil and darkest places of the human psyche. So it's really not a the human psyche. So it's really not a the human psyche. So it's really not a place I want to go. But you have to at place I want to go. But you have to at place I want to go. But you have to at least address the fact that this least address the fact that this least address the fact that this happened. And here's a person who happened. And here's a person who happened. And here's a person who intended a horrific outcome by using a intended a horrific outcome by using a intended a horrific outcome by using a third person and trying to literally, as third person and trying to literally, as third person and trying to literally, as he said, break the faith of his victim.

he said, break the faith of his victim. he said, break the faith of his victim. Just horrifying. Just horrifying. Just horrifying. >> It really is. That firefighter is going >> It really is. That firefighter is going >> It really is. That firefighter is going to pay heavily for his monstrous to pay heavily for his monstrous to pay heavily for his monstrous actions. He has been sentenced to life actions. He has been sentenced to life actions. He has been sentenced to life in prison for planning that violent home in prison for planning that violent home in prison for planning that violent home invasion and sexual assault. This invasion and sexual assault. This invasion and sexual assault. This happened in Fort Worth, Texas, in a happened in Fort Worth, Texas, in a happened in Fort Worth, Texas, in a suburb. Joel Jones, who is 54 years old, suburb. Joel Jones, who is 54 years old, suburb. Joel Jones, who is 54 years old, has been sentenced to life in prison has been sentenced to life in prison has been sentenced to life in prison after engineering this insane home after engineering this insane home after engineering this insane home invasion and sexual assault on a friend invasion and sexual assault on a friend invasion and sexual assault on a friend and neighbor of his. The victim in this and neighbor of his. The victim in this and neighbor of his. The victim in this case has not been named by authorities. case has not been named by authorities. case has not been named by authorities. Joel Jones used a dating website to Joel Jones used a dating website to Joel Jones used a dating website to enlist the help of a man who fantasized enlist the help of a man who fantasized enlist the help of a man who fantasized about sexually assaulting women. He said about sexually assaulting women. He said about sexually assaulting women. He said that he thought he was taking part in a that he thought he was taking part in a that he thought he was taking part in a consensual fantasy at the woman's house. consensual fantasy at the woman's house. consensual fantasy at the woman's house. We will never really know the truth We will never really know the truth We will never really know the truth other than the fact it seems that the other than the fact it seems that the other than the fact it seems that the authorities in all of this, John, did authorities in all of this, John, did authorities in all of this, John, did believe him. We'll get to how he got a believe him. We'll get to how he got a believe him. We'll get to how he got a much lighter sentence and virtually no much lighter sentence and virtually no much lighter sentence and virtually no prison time.

>> Yeah. you know, the um >> Yeah. you know, the um the prosecutors had to lock their case the prosecutors had to lock their case the prosecutors had to lock their case down and if they had to use this guy as down and if they had to use this guy as down and if they had to use this guy as a whether he was unwitting or witting to a whether he was unwitting or witting to a whether he was unwitting or witting to what was going on, they needed a hook to what was going on, they needed a hook to what was going on, they needed a hook to go after the real perpetrator here. So, go after the real perpetrator here. So, go after the real perpetrator here. So, if he got a break, I can understand that if he got a break, I can understand that if he got a break, I can understand that as a prosecutor. I mean, the idea that as a prosecutor. I mean, the idea that as a prosecutor. I mean, the idea that somehow this guy genuinely believed that somehow this guy genuinely believed that somehow this guy genuinely believed that this was some kind of a fantasy. I mean, this was some kind of a fantasy. I mean, this was some kind of a fantasy. I mean, you have to understand the victim was you have to understand the victim was you have to understand the victim was literally fighting back and that was not literally fighting back and that was not literally fighting back and that was not roleplaying. That was not acting from roleplaying. That was not acting from roleplaying. That was not acting from what we can tell. But at the end of the what we can tell. But at the end of the what we can tell. But at the end of the day, he gets a sentence that's a break day, he gets a sentence that's a break day, he gets a sentence that's a break for him. Prosecutors get to use his for him. Prosecutors get to use his for him. Prosecutors get to use his testimony against the real uh this the testimony against the real uh this the testimony against the real uh this the serious villain in this case, the guy serious villain in this case, the guy serious villain in this case, the guy who was the mastermind. So, I get that. who was the mastermind. So, I get that. who was the mastermind. So, I get that. I don't have any problem with doing I don't have any problem with doing I don't have any problem with doing that. You know, when the expression in that. You know, when the expression in that. You know, when the expression in prosecution is when you when you've got prosecution is when you when you've got prosecution is when you when you've got the devil on the uh you're trying the the devil on the uh you're trying the the devil on the uh you're trying the devil in court, you're prosecuting the devil in court, you're prosecuting the devil in court, you're prosecuting the devil. Sometimes you got to go to hell devil. Sometimes you got to go to hell devil. Sometimes you got to go to hell for the witnesses and that's sort of for the witnesses and that's sort of for the witnesses and that's sort of what happened here. So, what happened here. So, what happened here. So, >> wow. I've never heard that. You have to >> wow. I've never heard that. You have to >> wow. I've never heard that. You have to go to hell for the witnesses. I like go to hell for the witnesses. I like go to hell for the witnesses. I like that. May I borrow that?

that. May I borrow that? that. May I borrow that? >> You may borrow that. Yeah. >> You may borrow that. Yeah. >> You may borrow that. Yeah. >> Okay. Wow. That's that's that paints a >> Okay. Wow. That's that's that paints a >> Okay. Wow. That's that's that paints a very clear picture for me, especially very clear picture for me, especially very clear picture for me, especially for this case. Let's get to the for this case. Let's get to the for this case. Let's get to the background here because I what I'm background here because I what I'm background here because I what I'm having the most trouble with is having the most trouble with is having the most trouble with is obviously obviously obviously motivation and this whole idea that motivation and this whole idea that motivation and this whole idea that prosecutors say he was trying to break prosecutors say he was trying to break prosecutors say he was trying to break her. of her Catholic faith. her. of her Catholic faith. her. of her Catholic faith. This is just me entirely speculating and This is just me entirely speculating and This is just me entirely speculating and we'll get to it later, but he was a we'll get to it later, but he was a we'll get to it later, but he was a neighbor of hers, kind of a friend, and neighbor of hers, kind of a friend, and neighbor of hers, kind of a friend, and when she got attacked and managed to get when she got attacked and managed to get when she got attacked and managed to get away, and we'll get into those details, away, and we'll get into those details, away, and we'll get into those details, he she went to him. So, I think he's got he she went to him. So, I think he's got he she went to him. So, I think he's got this weird hero complex where he creates this weird hero complex where he creates this weird hero complex where he creates a scenario that is quite dangerous a scenario that is quite dangerous a scenario that is quite dangerous and she runs to him and he helps her and and she runs to him and he helps her and and she runs to him and he helps her and I think he got off on that cuz then he I think he got off on that cuz then he I think he got off on that cuz then he tried to do it again. tried to do it again. tried to do it again. >> Well, well, look what he does for a >> Well, well, look what he does for a >> Well, well, look what he does for a living, Anna. He's a firefighter. Okay.

living, Anna. He's a firefighter. Okay. living, Anna. He's a firefighter. Okay. What we look up to firefighters as What we look up to firefighters as What we look up to firefighters as heroes every day. I mean, he obviously heroes every day. I mean, he obviously heroes every day. I mean, he obviously had that as a part of his life. the idea had that as a part of his life. the idea had that as a part of his life. the idea that he was uh going to save people and that he was uh going to save people and that he was uh going to save people and get the appreciation of his community get the appreciation of his community get the appreciation of his community and be seen as a rescuer. But somewhere and be seen as a rescuer. But somewhere and be seen as a rescuer. But somewhere that got twisted in an incredibly evil that got twisted in an incredibly evil that got twisted in an incredibly evil way. And so he's got this whole scenario way. And so he's got this whole scenario way. And so he's got this whole scenario where he's uh one victimizing this woman where he's uh one victimizing this woman where he's uh one victimizing this woman trying to break her faith. And we can trying to break her faith. And we can trying to break her faith. And we can get into I mean I that's one of the get into I mean I that's one of the get into I mean I that's one of the hardest things in the world to wrap your hardest things in the world to wrap your hardest things in the world to wrap your head around. But she does go to him. She head around. But she does go to him. She head around. But she does go to him. She goes to him because at that moment she goes to him because at that moment she goes to him because at that moment she sees him as a rescuer, as a firefighter, sees him as a rescuer, as a firefighter, sees him as a rescuer, as a firefighter, someone who can save her, but it's part someone who can save her, but it's part someone who can save her, but it's part of his dark evil plan. And that's one of of his dark evil plan. And that's one of of his dark evil plan. And that's one of the many parts of this that is just so the many parts of this that is just so the many parts of this that is just so hard to to fathom, so hard to hard to to fathom, so hard to hard to to fathom, so hard to understand, and it's just his stomach understand, and it's just his stomach understand, and it's just his stomach turning. turning. turning. >> Yeah. And I think that's why the jury in >> Yeah. And I think that's why the jury in >> Yeah. And I think that's why the jury in 20 minutes were like, "Put this man away 20 minutes were like, "Put this man away 20 minutes were like, "Put this man away for life. Don't let him see the day of for life. Don't let him see the day of for life. Don't let him see the day of light." And I I get that because there's light." And I I get that because there's light." And I I get that because there's something so inherently evil here that something so inherently evil here that something so inherently evil here that is just it's just so sick and twisted.

is just it's just so sick and twisted. is just it's just so sick and twisted. It's just so sick and twisted. So let's It's just so sick and twisted. So let's It's just so sick and twisted. So let's let's get back to the background part of let's get back to the background part of let's get back to the background part of this. So at the time of the attack, Joel this. So at the time of the attack, Joel this. So at the time of the attack, Joel was the deputy chief of the Everman Fire was the deputy chief of the Everman Fire was the deputy chief of the Everman Fire Department. However, beneath this brave Department. However, beneath this brave Department. However, beneath this brave hero exterior that we've been hero exterior that we've been hero exterior that we've been discussing, Joel possessed a darkness. discussing, Joel possessed a darkness. discussing, Joel possessed a darkness. He liked to act out, you know, sexually, He liked to act out, you know, sexually, He liked to act out, you know, sexually, say police. Um, but where he crossed the say police. Um, but where he crossed the say police. Um, but where he crossed the line was with his with this attack. So, line was with his with this attack. So, line was with his with this attack. So, according to the prosecutors, Joel had a according to the prosecutors, Joel had a according to the prosecutors, Joel had a wild and deviant sex life. You know wild and deviant sex life. You know wild and deviant sex life. You know what? If it's consensual, no problem what? If it's consensual, no problem what? If it's consensual, no problem there. They say that he was involved in there. They say that he was involved in there. They say that he was involved in all sorts of risque pornography, drugs, all sorts of risque pornography, drugs, all sorts of risque pornography, drugs, cross-dressing, sex with multiple cross-dressing, sex with multiple cross-dressing, sex with multiple partners. Again, if it's consensual, partners. Again, if it's consensual, partners. Again, if it's consensual, that's not the issue. The issue is this that's not the issue. The issue is this that's not the issue. The issue is this plot. Okay. Apparently, he wanted plot. Okay. Apparently, he wanted plot. Okay. Apparently, he wanted something more, something far darker something more, something far darker something more, something far darker than anything he had ever done. We don't than anything he had ever done. We don't than anything he had ever done. We don't know why he targeted the victim. Again, know why he targeted the victim. Again, know why he targeted the victim. Again, you know, it's it's you know, it's it's you know, it's it's why he wanted to take her faith and her why he wanted to take her faith and her why he wanted to take her faith and her safety. That's the part that I think is safety. That's the part that I think is safety. That's the part that I think is so horrible and mean. To enact this sick so horrible and mean. To enact this sick so horrible and mean. To enact this sick plan, Joel recruited the services of plan, Joel recruited the services of plan, Joel recruited the services of Tibasia Griffiths through this dating Tibasia Griffiths through this dating Tibasia Griffiths through this dating site called Sniffies. The site primarily site called Sniffies. The site primarily site called Sniffies. The site primarily caters to gay, bisexual, by curious men caters to gay, bisexual, by curious men caters to gay, bisexual, by curious men seeking sexual encounters for his seeking sexual encounters for his seeking sexual encounters for his participation.

participation. participation. Tabasio was paid a shocking low sum of Tabasio was paid a shocking low sum of Tabasio was paid a shocking low sum of $100 $100 $100 to do this role playing and he was paid to do this role playing and he was paid to do this role playing and he was paid via zel. How crazy is this, John? you via zel. How crazy is this, John? you via zel. How crazy is this, John? you know, and you get the sense from the law know, and you get the sense from the law know, and you get the sense from the law enforcement, from the prosecution theory enforcement, from the prosecution theory enforcement, from the prosecution theory that um so these guys are on this site that um so these guys are on this site that um so these guys are on this site there somehow there's an attraction and there somehow there's an attraction and there somehow there's an attraction and you know that's a whole you have to look you know that's a whole you have to look you know that's a whole you have to look I'm a lawyer I'm not a psychiatrist I'm I'm a lawyer I'm not a psychiatrist I'm I'm a lawyer I'm not a psychiatrist I'm not a psychologist but in our line of not a psychologist but in our line of not a psychologist but in our line of work we deal with human motivation and work we deal with human motivation and work we deal with human motivation and human behavior all the time and you get human behavior all the time and you get human behavior all the time and you get some sense of it I have never in 30 plus some sense of it I have never in 30 plus some sense of it I have never in 30 plus years of prosecuting and defending years of prosecuting and defending years of prosecuting and defending criminal cases I've never seen anything criminal cases I've never seen anything criminal cases I've never seen anything like this before where the motivation is like this before where the motivation is like this before where the motivation is not just say some horrifying sexual not just say some horrifying sexual not just say some horrifying sexual assault or there's something even beyond assault or there's something even beyond assault or there's something even beyond that which is sexual assault plus that which is sexual assault plus that which is sexual assault plus breaking this person's faith and to do breaking this person's faith and to do breaking this person's faith and to do it you go on this website you hire it you go on this website you hire it you go on this website you hire someone for apparently $100 which you someone for apparently $100 which you someone for apparently $100 which you know is shocking in itself and you set know is shocking in itself and you set know is shocking in itself and you set out this entire uh script you set out out this entire uh script you set out out this entire uh script you set out this plan and you've got this person who this plan and you've got this person who this plan and you've got this person who allegedly is unwitting being an allegedly is unwitting being an allegedly is unwitting being an unwitting participant, but you the goal unwitting participant, but you the goal unwitting participant, but you the goal is to not only physically break this is to not only physically break this is to not only physically break this woman, but to spiritually break her, and woman, but to spiritually break her, and woman, but to spiritually break her, and it's just never seen anything like it.

it's just never seen anything like it. it's just never seen anything like it. >> As far as the prosecution's case, the >> As far as the prosecution's case, the >> As far as the prosecution's case, the fact that this $100 was exchanged. Um, fact that this $100 was exchanged. Um, fact that this $100 was exchanged. Um, how significant a piece of evidence is how significant a piece of evidence is how significant a piece of evidence is that? Well, you know, it it shows that that? Well, you know, it it shows that that? Well, you know, it it shows that the um that the guy who was hired, uh the um that the guy who was hired, uh the um that the guy who was hired, uh Griffiths, so you know, he said, "Okay, Griffiths, so you know, he said, "Okay, Griffiths, so you know, he said, "Okay, I'll do this for I'll do this for what I'll do this for I'll do this for what I'll do this for I'll do this for what $100. I'll participate in this what he $100. I'll participate in this what he $100. I'll participate in this what he understands anyway, is a role play where understands anyway, is a role play where understands anyway, is a role play where he's supposed to break into this house, he's supposed to break into this house, he's supposed to break into this house, sexually assault this woman." I guess sexually assault this woman." I guess sexually assault this woman." I guess what he's told, well, she's going to what he's told, well, she's going to what he's told, well, she's going to pretend, she's going to fight back, pretend, she's going to fight back, pretend, she's going to fight back, she's going to kick, she's going to she's going to kick, she's going to she's going to kick, she's going to punch, she's going to scratch, but it's punch, she's going to scratch, but it's punch, she's going to scratch, but it's all part of our game. And so, you know, all part of our game. And so, you know, all part of our game. And so, you know, because the prosecution entered into a because the prosecution entered into a because the prosecution entered into a deal with him, yeah, I mean, that he's deal with him, yeah, I mean, that he's deal with him, yeah, I mean, that he's getting a probated sentence. He's not getting a probated sentence. He's not getting a probated sentence. He's not doing prison time, but you have to doing prison time, but you have to doing prison time, but you have to understand that to to make the case, understand that to to make the case, understand that to to make the case, they sometimes have to do that. So, the they sometimes have to do that. So, the they sometimes have to do that. So, the $100 is, you know, it's it's part of the $100 is, you know, it's it's part of the $100 is, you know, it's it's part of the the scheme. I'm I'm surprised that the scheme. I'm I'm surprised that the scheme. I'm I'm surprised that somebody uh you know, $100 for this guy.

somebody uh you know, $100 for this guy. somebody uh you know, $100 for this guy. Who knows what else he's participated Who knows what else he's participated Who knows what else he's participated in? who else who knows what else he's in? who else who knows what else he's in? who else who knows what else he's been involved in based off the site, but been involved in based off the site, but been involved in based off the site, but for some reason that seemed like the for some reason that seemed like the for some reason that seemed like the appropriate amount, appropriate amount, appropriate amount, >> right? Yeah. The whole thing is is very >> right? Yeah. The whole thing is is very >> right? Yeah. The whole thing is is very sick. Now, in addition to this, as part sick. Now, in addition to this, as part sick. Now, in addition to this, as part of this deal, prosecutors say that Joel of this deal, prosecutors say that Joel of this deal, prosecutors say that Joel instructed instructed instructed this role-playing attacker to record the this role-playing attacker to record the this role-playing attacker to record the encounter for his own sick fulfillment. encounter for his own sick fulfillment. encounter for his own sick fulfillment. That's the other thing here. He is That's the other thing here. He is That's the other thing here. He is plotting this, right? He's already been plotting this, right? He's already been plotting this, right? He's already been convicted. So he's he's plotted this convicted. So he's he's plotted this convicted. So he's he's plotted this thing, but now he wants to listen to thing, but now he wants to listen to thing, but now he wants to listen to this whole thing. this whole thing. this whole thing. >> Yeah. It goes beyond, you know, and >> Yeah. It goes beyond, you know, and >> Yeah. It goes beyond, you know, and we've had we there are other cases where we've had we there are other cases where we've had we there are other cases where there have been these sort of fake role- there have been these sort of fake role- there have been these sort of fake role- playinging situations. The Brandon playinging situations. The Brandon playinging situations. The Brandon Banfield case out of Virginia where the Banfield case out of Virginia where the Banfield case out of Virginia where the Banfield's an IRS agent, basically law Banfield's an IRS agent, basically law Banfield's an IRS agent, basically law enforcement agent, and he creates this enforcement agent, and he creates this enforcement agent, and he creates this entire scenario very similar to this.

entire scenario very similar to this. entire scenario very similar to this. But in that case, uh the the per the But in that case, uh the the per the But in that case, uh the the per the point of it was to murder um his wife. point of it was to murder um his wife. point of it was to murder um his wife. In this case, it it's something it's as In this case, it it's something it's as In this case, it it's something it's as twisted but more so because the idea twisted but more so because the idea twisted but more so because the idea that he wants to have a record, a that he wants to have a record, a that he wants to have a record, a digital record of the assault on his digital record of the assault on his digital record of the assault on his friend, on his neighbor, uh so that he friend, on his neighbor, uh so that he friend, on his neighbor, uh so that he can watch it again and again. It fits can watch it again and again. It fits can watch it again and again. It fits into the perverted uh claims that he was into the perverted uh claims that he was into the perverted uh claims that he was part of this website, part of this part of this website, part of this part of this website, part of this community, you know, where he found community, you know, where he found community, you know, where he found Griffith to participate with him. But Griffith to participate with him. But Griffith to participate with him. But the idea that he's making a record of the idea that he's making a record of the idea that he's making a record of his crime, um it just it gives you some his crime, um it just it gives you some his crime, um it just it gives you some sense of the depravity of the defendant. sense of the depravity of the defendant. sense of the depravity of the defendant. It gives you some sense of it goes It gives you some sense of it goes It gives you some sense of it goes beyond simply the sexual assault. It beyond simply the sexual assault. It beyond simply the sexual assault. It goes into the the actual breaking of goes into the the actual breaking of goes into the the actual breaking of this woman's spirit, of her this woman's spirit, of her this woman's spirit, of her spirituality. And it's just something spirituality. And it's just something spirituality. And it's just something that's so so evil. that's so so evil. that's so so evil. >> Yeah. And in each case, obviously, the >> Yeah. And in each case, obviously, the >> Yeah. And in each case, obviously, the um the mastermind, the perpetrator is is um the mastermind, the perpetrator is is um the mastermind, the perpetrator is is trying to take something away from the trying to take something away from the trying to take something away from the woman who is targeted in the Brendan woman who is targeted in the Brendan woman who is targeted in the Brendan Banfield case. Um, what was interesting Banfield case. Um, what was interesting Banfield case. Um, what was interesting about that, the the poor man who showed about that, the the poor man who showed about that, the the poor man who showed up that morning who thought that he was up that morning who thought that he was up that morning who thought that he was going to be having sex with a woman who going to be having sex with a woman who going to be having sex with a woman who was waiting for him, which would have was waiting for him, which would have was waiting for him, which would have been Brendan's wife, he had no idea. And been Brendan's wife, he had no idea. And been Brendan's wife, he had no idea. And he was used he was used he was used as an intruder. And the whole scheme as an intruder. And the whole scheme as an intruder. And the whole scheme was, oh, the husband tried to, you know, was, oh, the husband tried to, you know, was, oh, the husband tried to, you know, save his wife from the intruder and then

save his wife from the intruder and then save his wife from the intruder and then of course they find all the digital of course they find all the digital of course they find all the digital evidence and and I mean the whole point evidence and and I mean the whole point evidence and and I mean the whole point was say prosecutors was that Brendan was say prosecutors was that Brendan was say prosecutors was that Brendan wanted to be with his girlfriend, the wanted to be with his girlfriend, the wanted to be with his girlfriend, the Opair. They needed to get rid of the Opair. They needed to get rid of the Opair. They needed to get rid of the wife and this was the scheme that they wife and this was the scheme that they wife and this was the scheme that they came up with. But you know in that case came up with. But you know in that case came up with. But you know in that case the the person who showed up who had no the the person who showed up who had no the the person who showed up who had no idea that he was part of this plot he idea that he was part of this plot he idea that he was part of this plot he ends up getting killed in this case. ends up getting killed in this case. ends up getting killed in this case. This one you know obviously is charged This one you know obviously is charged This one you know obviously is charged with a serious crime. You know bringing in these innocent You know bringing in these innocent third parties. This is craziness. third parties. This is craziness. third parties. This is craziness. >> Yeah. Well let's and it is and let's >> Yeah. Well let's and it is and let's >> Yeah. Well let's and it is and let's look at some of the common themes here look at some of the common themes here look at some of the common themes here in both those cases. Yeah. there's a in both those cases. Yeah. there's a in both those cases. Yeah. there's a allegedly innocent person who's being allegedly innocent person who's being allegedly innocent person who's being manipulated by someone who thinks that manipulated by someone who thinks that manipulated by someone who thinks that they're a lot smarter than the person they're a lot smarter than the person they're a lot smarter than the person that they're manipulating. What is a that they're manipulating. What is a that they're manipulating. What is a common theme? All right. Uh Banfield, common theme? All right. Uh Banfield, common theme? All right. Uh Banfield, IRS agent, law enforcement agent. He IRS agent, law enforcement agent. He IRS agent, law enforcement agent. He knows the system. Um in this case, Joel knows the system. Um in this case, Joel knows the system. Um in this case, Joel Jones, a fire chief, not exactly the Jones, a fire chief, not exactly the Jones, a fire chief, not exactly the same thing, not exactly a law same thing, not exactly a law same thing, not exactly a law enforcement officer, but someone who enforcement officer, but someone who enforcement officer, but someone who understands how the system works. Um and understands how the system works. Um and understands how the system works. Um and in both cases these guys have jobs where in both cases these guys have jobs where in both cases these guys have jobs where they are theoretically seen as um they are theoretically seen as um they are theoretically seen as um protectors of victims you know and a law protectors of victims you know and a law protectors of victims you know and a law enforcement agent in Banfield's case enforcement agent in Banfield's case enforcement agent in Banfield's case deputy fire chief in Jones case in Fort deputy fire chief in Jones case in Fort deputy fire chief in Jones case in Fort Worth and so they are there's something Worth and so they are there's something Worth and so they are there's something that's twisted where the point where that's twisted where the point where that's twisted where the point where they are using their authority they're they are using their authority they're they are using their authority they're using their knowledge of the system to using their knowledge of the system to using their knowledge of the system to man manipulate these innocent relatively

man manipulate these innocent relatively man manipulate these innocent relatively innocent people um into playing a role innocent people um into playing a role innocent people um into playing a role that they think they're doing that they think they're doing that they think they're doing consensually. consensually. consensually. But these guys both have the sense that But these guys both have the sense that But these guys both have the sense that they are smarter than everybody else. they are smarter than everybody else. they are smarter than everybody else. They're master manipulators. They know They're master manipulators. They know They're master manipulators. They know the system. They know what law the system. They know what law the system. They know what law enforcement's going to look for. They enforcement's going to look for. They enforcement's going to look for. They think that they have come up with a think that they have come up with a think that they have come up with a perfect crime. But as we know in both perfect crime. But as we know in both perfect crime. But as we know in both cases, that ain't so. cases, that ain't so. cases, that ain't so. >> Yeah. Thank goodness they're not that >> Yeah. Thank goodness they're not that >> Yeah. Thank goodness they're not that smart. On February 21st of 2025, Joel smart. On February 21st of 2025, Joel smart. On February 21st of 2025, Joel helped Tob Tobasia go to the victim's helped Tob Tobasia go to the victim's helped Tob Tobasia go to the victim's home in Fort Worth, enter her bedroom, home in Fort Worth, enter her bedroom, home in Fort Worth, enter her bedroom, and then violently assault the victim. and then violently assault the victim. and then violently assault the victim. And the victim fought back, kicking, And the victim fought back, kicking, And the victim fought back, kicking, hitting, screaming. And eventually, she hitting, screaming. And eventually, she hitting, screaming. And eventually, she took a lamp and she hit her attacker took a lamp and she hit her attacker took a lamp and she hit her attacker with the lamp. with the lamp. with the lamp. And again, the attacker thought this was And again, the attacker thought this was And again, the attacker thought this was all part of the role playinging is what all part of the role playinging is what all part of the role playinging is what he tells police. Eventually, she manages he tells police. Eventually, she manages he tells police. Eventually, she manages to escape by telling the attacker, which to escape by telling the attacker, which to escape by telling the attacker, which when you think about it, it kind of when you think about it, it kind of when you think about it, it kind of makes sense. She says to him, "I really makes sense. She says to him, "I really makes sense. She says to him, "I really need to go to the bathroom." And because need to go to the bathroom." And because need to go to the bathroom." And because he thinks this is a, you know, that he's he thinks this is a, you know, that he's he thinks this is a, you know, that he's not there to do something she doesn't not there to do something she doesn't not there to do something she doesn't want. Well, of course you're going to want. Well, of course you're going to want. Well, of course you're going to let her take a bathroom break, right?

let her take a bathroom break, right? let her take a bathroom break, right? And I don't, maybe she was astonished And I don't, maybe she was astonished And I don't, maybe she was astonished that it worked. She cuz she had no idea. that it worked. She cuz she had no idea. that it worked. She cuz she had no idea. And that's when she ran out of the house And that's when she ran out of the house And that's when she ran out of the house and she, you know, and she, you know, and she, you know, she she ran for help. Now, what's she she ran for help. Now, what's she she ran for help. Now, what's interesting is that the attacker in this interesting is that the attacker in this interesting is that the attacker in this case, um, he thought, "Oh, well, I guess case, um, he thought, "Oh, well, I guess case, um, he thought, "Oh, well, I guess she's done with the fantasy. This is she's done with the fantasy. This is she's done with the fantasy. This is over, so we're done here." I mean, it's over, so we're done here." I mean, it's over, so we're done here." I mean, it's just it's just unbelievable. just it's just unbelievable. just it's just unbelievable. >> Well, okay. So, the attacker gets hit >> Well, okay. So, the attacker gets hit >> Well, okay. So, the attacker gets hit with a lamp. And I mean, I guess the with a lamp. And I mean, I guess the with a lamp. And I mean, I guess the idea is that he still thought that this idea is that he still thought that this idea is that he still thought that this was part of the role play, but you have was part of the role play, but you have was part of the role play, but you have to wonder at some point, now again, this to wonder at some point, now again, this to wonder at some point, now again, this guy did this for $100, so you know, guy did this for $100, so you know, guy did this for $100, so you know, maybe he's easily manipulated, but if maybe he's easily manipulated, but if maybe he's easily manipulated, but if he's being hit in the face with a lamp, he's being hit in the face with a lamp, he's being hit in the face with a lamp, for example, does he still think this is for example, does he still think this is for example, does he still think this is part of the roleplay, or is there any part of the roleplay, or is there any part of the roleplay, or is there any part of him that thinks, wait a minute, part of him that thinks, wait a minute, part of him that thinks, wait a minute, is this uh is this really what it it's is this uh is this really what it it's is this uh is this really what it it's supposed to be? Regardless of that, he supposed to be? Regardless of that, he supposed to be? Regardless of that, he is a a key uh witness for the is a a key uh witness for the is a a key uh witness for the prosecution and in the end he gets this prosecution and in the end he gets this prosecution and in the end he gets this deal. Understandably, I get that. No deal. Understandably, I get that. No deal. Understandably, I get that. No problem with that. But then the part problem with that. But then the part problem with that. But then the part that we as we talked about the fact that that we as we talked about the fact that that we as we talked about the fact that she in her moment of absolute terror she in her moment of absolute terror she in her moment of absolute terror reaches out to the actual mastermind to reaches out to the actual mastermind to reaches out to the actual mastermind to the perpetrator for help. It's like the perpetrator for help. It's like the perpetrator for help. It's like those horror movies where the, you know, those horror movies where the, you know, those horror movies where the, you know, they say the phone calls coming from they say the phone calls coming from they say the phone calls coming from inside the house. I mean, just bone inside the house. I mean, just bone inside the house. I mean, just bone chilling. The idea that the guy she goes chilling. The idea that the guy she goes chilling. The idea that the guy she goes to is the one she thinks is going to to is the one she thinks is going to to is the one she thinks is going to save her. It's like she obviously has save her. It's like she obviously has save her. It's like she obviously has these feelings that this guy is safe.

these feelings that this guy is safe. these feelings that this guy is safe. This guy uh can make things right. She This guy uh can make things right. She This guy uh can make things right. She doesn't call uh the police right away. doesn't call uh the police right away. doesn't call uh the police right away. She calls him. She calls him. She calls him. >> She calls Joe >> She calls Joe >> She calls Joe >> and and it's got to satisfy with him. >> and and it's got to satisfy with him. >> and and it's got to satisfy with him. It's got to satis satisfy some twisted It's got to satis satisfy some twisted It's got to satis satisfy some twisted perverted, you know, rescue. perverted, you know, rescue. perverted, you know, rescue. >> That's probably a sexual turnon for him. >> That's probably a sexual turnon for him. >> That's probably a sexual turnon for him. >> Absolutely. And the poor woman. I mean, >> Absolutely. And the poor woman. I mean, >> Absolutely. And the poor woman. I mean, when she I can you imagine what her went when she I can you imagine what her went when she I can you imagine what her went through her mind when she found out that through her mind when she found out that through her mind when she found out that who had really uh masterminded this who had really uh masterminded this who had really uh masterminded this thing with the guy she called for help. thing with the guy she called for help. thing with the guy she called for help. But again, for him, I'm not a But again, for him, I'm not a But again, for him, I'm not a psychologist, but for him, that's psychologist, but for him, that's psychologist, but for him, that's probably the goal he was aiming for probably the goal he was aiming for probably the goal he was aiming for besides breaking her faith. He's like, besides breaking her faith. He's like, besides breaking her faith. He's like, I'm going to be her savior. I'm going to I'm going to be her savior. I'm going to I'm going to be her savior. I'm going to be the one who protects her even though be the one who protects her even though be the one who protects her even though I'm the one who caused her this I'm the one who caused her this I'm the one who caused her this incredible trauma. incredible trauma. incredible trauma. >> He's the one who calls 911 for her. >> He's the one who calls 911 for her. >> He's the one who calls 911 for her. Unbelievable. She goes to the hospital Unbelievable. She goes to the hospital Unbelievable. She goes to the hospital for treatment. She files the police for treatment. She files the police for treatment. She files the police report and report and report and um um um even after all this happens, right? So even after all this happens, right? So even after all this happens, right? So the police have been alerted. She she's the police have been alerted. She she's the police have been alerted. She she's been injured obviously.

been injured obviously. been injured obviously. Then according to prosecutors after this Then according to prosecutors after this Then according to prosecutors after this first encounter, first encounter, first encounter, Joel is still messaging the attacker, right? Unbelievable. And the attacker, right? Unbelievable. And asking for the recording of the assault, asking for the recording of the assault, asking for the recording of the assault, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> The investigation has begun in earnest, >> The investigation has begun in earnest, >> The investigation has begun in earnest, yet he's still trying to collect the yet he's still trying to collect the yet he's still trying to collect the stuff that he wants from this. And stuff that he wants from this. And stuff that he wants from this. And here's the other thing that I cannot here's the other thing that I cannot here's the other thing that I cannot believe. He must have gotten such a high believe. He must have gotten such a high believe. He must have gotten such a high off of this because even though again off of this because even though again off of this because even though again the police investigation has begun, he the police investigation has begun, he the police investigation has begun, he started planning a second attack on this started planning a second attack on this started planning a second attack on this woman. According to authorities, this woman. According to authorities, this woman. According to authorities, this time she was going to be kidnapped and time she was going to be kidnapped and time she was going to be kidnapped and sexually assaulted. sexually assaulted. sexually assaulted. >> This is I mean it's the digital forensic >> This is I mean it's the digital forensic >> This is I mean it's the digital forensic evidence. Well, he obviously is so evidence. Well, he obviously is so evidence. Well, he obviously is so arrogant that he has uh he thinks he's arrogant that he has uh he thinks he's arrogant that he has uh he thinks he's come up with the perfect crime, but he come up with the perfect crime, but he come up with the perfect crime, but he is creating a digital paper trail, as we is creating a digital paper trail, as we is creating a digital paper trail, as we used to call it, a paper trail. He's used to call it, a paper trail. He's used to call it, a paper trail. He's creating a trail that leads directly creating a trail that leads directly creating a trail that leads directly back to him by his communications with back to him by his communications with back to him by his communications with um with Tabasia, the guy he hires. Now, um with Tabasia, the guy he hires. Now, um with Tabasia, the guy he hires. Now, as a deputy fire chief, someone who as a deputy fire chief, someone who as a deputy fire chief, someone who understands the system, you know, in the understands the system, you know, in the understands the system, you know, in the back of your mind that this back of your mind that this back of your mind that this communication with him, everything communication with him, everything communication with him, everything you're saying is being recorded in in, you're saying is being recorded in in, you're saying is being recorded in in, you know, in the cloud. Everything every you know, in the cloud. Everything every you know, in the cloud. Everything every communication you have is out there. And

communication you have is out there. And communication you have is out there. And he's got to be so arrogant and um he's got to be so arrogant and um he's got to be so arrogant and um believing in his own um invincibility believing in his own um invincibility believing in his own um invincibility that he thinks, "Oh, Tbasi is on my that he thinks, "Oh, Tbasi is on my that he thinks, "Oh, Tbasi is on my side. I bought him for $100." I mean, I side. I bought him for $100." I mean, I side. I bought him for $100." I mean, I guess in that world, you get what you guess in that world, you get what you guess in that world, you get what you pay for, but he bought him for $100 and pay for, but he bought him for $100 and pay for, but he bought him for $100 and he thinks nothing can go wrong here and he thinks nothing can go wrong here and he thinks nothing can go wrong here and I'm going to plan the second horrific I'm going to plan the second horrific I'm going to plan the second horrific attack because I got whatever he got out attack because I got whatever he got out attack because I got whatever he got out of the first one. Um, he's going on this of the first one. Um, he's going on this of the first one. Um, he's going on this uh this pattern. He's going down this uh this pattern. He's going down this uh this pattern. He's going down this road where, you know, after a second road where, you know, after a second road where, you know, after a second one, would there be more? And this poor one, would there be more? And this poor one, would there be more? And this poor woman has believing that he's the one woman has believing that he's the one woman has believing that he's the one who is rescuing her. He's the one who's who is rescuing her. He's the one who's who is rescuing her. He's the one who's saving her cuz he's the deputy fire saving her cuz he's the deputy fire saving her cuz he's the deputy fire chief. It's just uh you can only imagine chief. It's just uh you can only imagine chief. It's just uh you can only imagine when she found out. I want that's what I when she found out. I want that's what I when she found out. I want that's what I keep going back to. The moments you keep going back to. The moments you keep going back to. The moments you found out who was behind this found out who was behind this found out who was behind this >> what that feeling of betrayal and and >> what that feeling of betrayal and and >> what that feeling of betrayal and and horror must have been like. horror must have been like. horror must have been like. >> Yeah. It's another violation again. It's >> Yeah. It's another violation again. It's >> Yeah. It's another violation again. It's another assault. Well, Tobisiah another assault. Well, Tobisiah another assault. Well, Tobisiah Griffiths said to police that he had no Griffiths said to police that he had no Griffiths said to police that he had no idea that he had done anything wrong and idea that he had done anything wrong and idea that he had done anything wrong and had no idea that it wasn't consensual had no idea that it wasn't consensual had no idea that it wasn't consensual until Joel shared with him that the until Joel shared with him that the until Joel shared with him that the police were investigating. And of police were investigating. And of police were investigating. And of course, you know, you'd be like, well, course, you know, you'd be like, well, course, you know, you'd be like, well, why would police be investigating this?

why would police be investigating this? why would police be investigating this? So clearly at this point he's like, So clearly at this point he's like, So clearly at this point he's like, "Uh-oh, uh-oh. What have I gotten myself "Uh-oh, uh-oh. What have I gotten myself "Uh-oh, uh-oh. What have I gotten myself into here?" Now, um, again, he was he into here?" Now, um, again, he was he into here?" Now, um, again, he was he never ended up really getting any prison never ended up really getting any prison never ended up really getting any prison time, and we will discuss the sent when time, and we will discuss the sent when time, and we will discuss the sent when we get to the sentencing part here. But we get to the sentencing part here. But we get to the sentencing part here. But here's the other thing about this here's the other thing about this here's the other thing about this investigation, and why I don't investigation, and why I don't investigation, and why I don't understand why in some ways Joel, the understand why in some ways Joel, the understand why in some ways Joel, the firefighter, doubled down here. The firefighter, doubled down here. The firefighter, doubled down here. The victim identified a partial license victim identified a partial license victim identified a partial license plate and car description of the plate and car description of the plate and car description of the attacker. attacker. attacker. So, it didn't take that long for police So, it didn't take that long for police So, it didn't take that long for police to find a vehicle that sent him to to find a vehicle that sent him to to find a vehicle that sent him to Tobasiah Griffiths, right? Tobasiah Griffiths, right? Tobasiah Griffiths, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Joel would have known this unless he's a >> Joel would have known this unless he's a >> Joel would have known this unless he's a complete idiot, which he is in many, complete idiot, which he is in many, complete idiot, which he is in many, many ways. So, firefighter Joel here, many ways. So, firefighter Joel here, many ways. So, firefighter Joel here, not only does he double down in in not only does he double down in in not only does he double down in in plotting a second attack, but this to me plotting a second attack, but this to me plotting a second attack, but this to me is the most unbelievable thing. He goes, is the most unbelievable thing. He goes, is the most unbelievable thing. He goes, Joel, firefighter, neighbor, good man, Joel, firefighter, neighbor, good man, Joel, firefighter, neighbor, good man, goes to the neighbors and starts telling goes to the neighbors and starts telling goes to the neighbors and starts telling them that there's been an attack in the them that there's been an attack in the them that there's been an attack in the neighborhood and to please be careful neighborhood and to please be careful neighborhood and to please be careful because, you know, there's a car, because, you know, there's a car, because, you know, there's a car, there's an attacker on the loose and there's an attacker on the loose and there's an attacker on the loose and this is caught on a Ring doorbell which this is caught on a Ring doorbell which this is caught on a Ring doorbell which one of the neighbors shared with a local one of the neighbors shared with a local one of the neighbors shared with a local TV station TV station TV station where you see Joel and the neighbor where you see Joel and the neighbor where you see Joel and the neighbor says, you know, and he seems like He's says, you know, and he seems like He's says, you know, and he seems like He's doing us a favor and telling my wife

doing us a favor and telling my wife doing us a favor and telling my wife that he she better be careful. that he she better be careful. that he she better be careful. But John, what do you make of that? But John, what do you make of that? But John, what do you make of that? >> And it feeds into All right. So, look, >> And it feeds into All right. So, look, >> And it feeds into All right. So, look, that the thing with the going to the that the thing with the going to the that the thing with the going to the neighbor's houses and and saying, "Hey, neighbor's houses and and saying, "Hey, neighbor's houses and and saying, "Hey, be careful cuz there's there's an be careful cuz there's there's an be careful cuz there's there's an attacker on the loose." You know, the attacker on the loose." You know, the attacker on the loose." You know, the idea that he was the one that the victim idea that he was the one that the victim idea that he was the one that the victim called. Um, and there is a thing and I I called. Um, and there is a thing and I I called. Um, and there is a thing and I I live in a part of the country where we live in a part of the country where we live in a part of the country where we have a lot of wildfires and occasionally have a lot of wildfires and occasionally have a lot of wildfires and occasionally you find um an arsonist firefighter for you find um an arsonist firefighter for you find um an arsonist firefighter for example, someone who is in the fire example, someone who is in the fire example, someone who is in the fire department, they love their job, but department, they love their job, but department, they love their job, but part of loving their job means they love part of loving their job means they love part of loving their job means they love doing their job. And so occasionally you doing their job. And so occasionally you doing their job. And so occasionally you have criminal prosecutions, and I've have criminal prosecutions, and I've have criminal prosecutions, and I've done them as a prosecutor, where you done them as a prosecutor, where you done them as a prosecutor, where you have a firefighter who sets fires have a firefighter who sets fires have a firefighter who sets fires intentionally so they can be seen as the intentionally so they can be seen as the intentionally so they can be seen as the one to go and put out the fire. it's one to go and put out the fire. it's one to go and put out the fire. it's feeding into, and it's obviously not to feeding into, and it's obviously not to feeding into, and it's obviously not to bismerch firefighters because, you know, bismerch firefighters because, you know, bismerch firefighters because, you know, they're amazing uh they have an amazing they're amazing uh they have an amazing they're amazing uh they have an amazing job. They they save the they protect the job. They they save the they protect the job. They they save the they protect the public. Um every once in a while there's public. Um every once in a while there's public. Um every once in a while there's a bad apple and this may be a an a bad apple and this may be a an a bad apple and this may be a an extension of that because you have Jones extension of that because you have Jones extension of that because you have Jones here uh going to the neighborhood threat here uh going to the neighborhood threat here uh going to the neighborhood threat uh telling people that there's a threat, uh telling people that there's a threat, uh telling people that there's a threat, telling people to be careful and he is telling people to be careful and he is telling people to be careful and he is living up to his role as the protector living up to his role as the protector living up to his role as the protector of the community. At the same time, he's of the community. At the same time, he's of the community. At the same time, he's the one who created the danger in the the one who created the danger in the the one who created the danger in the first place. So, it may be part of that first place. So, it may be part of that first place. So, it may be part of that uh rare situation where, for example, uh rare situation where, for example, uh rare situation where, for example, firefighters who set fires and then put firefighters who set fires and then put firefighters who set fires and then put them out to be the hero. This guy is them out to be the hero. This guy is them out to be the hero. This guy is down that same road, but it's such a down that same road, but it's such a down that same road, but it's such a twisted, sick, and evil and perverted uh twisted, sick, and evil and perverted uh twisted, sick, and evil and perverted uh variation on that. So, be the hero. He

variation on that. So, be the hero. He variation on that. So, be the hero. He wants to be the hero. wants to be the hero. wants to be the hero. >> He really does. It's it's it is as sick >> He really does. It's it's it is as sick >> He really does. It's it's it is as sick as it gets. So when detectives finally as it gets. So when detectives finally as it gets. So when detectives finally talk to Tobasiah Griffiths, he spills talk to Tobasiah Griffiths, he spills talk to Tobasiah Griffiths, he spills the beans on the whole thing from his the beans on the whole thing from his the beans on the whole thing from his perspective. And under interrogation, he perspective. And under interrogation, he perspective. And under interrogation, he admits, yes, there was a sexual admits, yes, there was a sexual admits, yes, there was a sexual encounter with the victim, but he told encounter with the victim, but he told encounter with the victim, but he told authorities that he was solicited to do authorities that he was solicited to do authorities that he was solicited to do this and that from his understanding, it this and that from his understanding, it this and that from his understanding, it was all consensual. It was, you know, was all consensual. It was, you know, was all consensual. It was, you know, that's what they were going to do, have that's what they were going to do, have that's what they were going to do, have their fantasy. So, as part of their their fantasy. So, as part of their their fantasy. So, as part of their investigation, police obtained warrants investigation, police obtained warrants investigation, police obtained warrants for computers, thumb drives, cell for computers, thumb drives, cell for computers, thumb drives, cell phones, all the digital evidence that phones, all the digital evidence that phones, all the digital evidence that you would expect, especially from that you would expect, especially from that you would expect, especially from that dating site. And um that's when police dating site. And um that's when police dating site. And um that's when police realized that this really was a setup, realized that this really was a setup, realized that this really was a setup, that it was a setup, and they arrested that it was a setup, and they arrested that it was a setup, and they arrested both men in March of 2025. So, they were both men in March of 2025. So, they were both men in March of 2025. So, they were both charged with aggravated sexual both charged with aggravated sexual both charged with aggravated sexual assault, but Joel got an extra charge of assault, but Joel got an extra charge of assault, but Joel got an extra charge of aggravated kidnapping and sexual abuse.

aggravated kidnapping and sexual abuse. aggravated kidnapping and sexual abuse. I find that interesting because the the I find that interesting because the the I find that interesting because the the extra charge of aggravated kidnapping extra charge of aggravated kidnapping extra charge of aggravated kidnapping doesn't necessarily specifically doesn't necessarily specifically doesn't necessarily specifically address, you know, plotting this thing, address, you know, plotting this thing, address, you know, plotting this thing, but sometimes the charge but sometimes the charge but sometimes the charge doesn't speak as clearly to the crime. doesn't speak as clearly to the crime. doesn't speak as clearly to the crime. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? Does that make sense? >> It does. And you know, kidnapping, it >> It does. And you know, kidnapping, it >> It does. And you know, kidnapping, it can be holding someone without consent can be holding someone without consent can be holding someone without consent for the purposes of, you know, illegal for the purposes of, you know, illegal for the purposes of, you know, illegal sexual activity. I mean, if your sexual activity. I mean, if your sexual activity. I mean, if your motivation uh you can understand why motivation uh you can understand why motivation uh you can understand why that gets charged that way. Um and so that gets charged that way. Um and so that gets charged that way. Um and so the what law enforcement what the what law enforcement what the what law enforcement what prosecutors have are these two uh prosecutors have are these two uh prosecutors have are these two uh suspects, these two perpetrators. One of suspects, these two perpetrators. One of suspects, these two perpetrators. One of them apparently has a good enough story them apparently has a good enough story them apparently has a good enough story that he was an unwitting and um innocent that he was an unwitting and um innocent that he was an unwitting and um innocent or ignorant I guess is the better term. or ignorant I guess is the better term. or ignorant I guess is the better term. Ignorant good Ignorant good Ignorant good >> participant in it. and they must have >> participant in it. and they must have >> participant in it. and they must have believed that he believed that he believed that he it would be hard to go to a jury with it would be hard to go to a jury with it would be hard to go to a jury with his case and say um he needs to get his case and say um he needs to get his case and say um he needs to get convicted of these uh specific intent convicted of these uh specific intent convicted of these uh specific intent crimes when he was the one, you know, he crimes when he was the one, you know, he crimes when he was the one, you know, he he took $100 to participate in this. You he took $100 to participate in this. You he took $100 to participate in this. You you have to wonder what the discussions you have to wonder what the discussions you have to wonder what the discussions were in the prosecution office about how were in the prosecution office about how were in the prosecution office about how to deal with his case. But at the end of to deal with his case. But at the end of to deal with his case. But at the end of the day, if the if the point was to get the day, if the if the point was to get the day, if the if the point was to get uh uh Joel Jones, the as the mastermind, uh uh Joel Jones, the as the mastermind, uh uh Joel Jones, the as the mastermind, as the one who came up with this, um you as the one who came up with this, um you as the one who came up with this, um you can understand letting the other guy off can understand letting the other guy off can understand letting the other guy off with the probated sentence with the, you with the probated sentence with the, you with the probated sentence with the, you know, he's on probation, but if he

know, he's on probation, but if he know, he's on probation, but if he helped, if he cooperated, if he gave the helped, if he cooperated, if he gave the helped, if he cooperated, if he gave the prosecution information they needed, I prosecution information they needed, I prosecution information they needed, I don't have a problem with that, even don't have a problem with that, even don't have a problem with that, even though it's a horrific situation. though it's a horrific situation. though it's a horrific situation. >> Yeah. So, after the news broke that >> Yeah. So, after the news broke that >> Yeah. So, after the news broke that Joel, the deputy fire chief, has been Joel, the deputy fire chief, has been Joel, the deputy fire chief, has been arrested and then is placed on arrested and then is placed on arrested and then is placed on administrative leave from the fire administrative leave from the fire administrative leave from the fire department. Um, he does ultimately department. Um, he does ultimately department. Um, he does ultimately resign. So, now all the neighbors are resign. So, now all the neighbors are resign. So, now all the neighbors are hearing about this, right? And that's hearing about this, right? And that's hearing about this, right? And that's when the neighbor with the Ring doorbell when the neighbor with the Ring doorbell when the neighbor with the Ring doorbell video is like, "Hold on a second. This video is like, "Hold on a second. This video is like, "Hold on a second. This guy's been arrested. This is the same guy's been arrested. This is the same guy's been arrested. This is the same guy. I'm pretty sure I still have the guy. I'm pretty sure I still have the guy. I'm pretty sure I still have the video of him coming over here to warn us video of him coming over here to warn us video of him coming over here to warn us of the attacker, but police have of the attacker, but police have of the attacker, but police have arrested him as being part of the attack arrested him as being part of the attack arrested him as being part of the attack plan. So, yeah, you can you can imagine plan. So, yeah, you can you can imagine plan. So, yeah, you can you can imagine how difficult this is for the neighbors, how difficult this is for the neighbors, how difficult this is for the neighbors, uh, primarily for the victim here. Um, uh, primarily for the victim here. Um, uh, primarily for the victim here. Um, yeah, but you know what? He didn't break yeah, but you know what? He didn't break yeah, but you know what? He didn't break her. He's not going to break her and her. He's not going to break her and her. He's not going to break her and he's not going to break her faith. Yeah. he's not going to break her faith. Yeah. he's not going to break her faith. Yeah. Oh, he he was he was definitely the Oh, he he was he was definitely the Oh, he he was he was definitely the devil, but devil, but devil, but >> No. And you have to you have to I mean >> No. And you have to you have to I mean >> No. And you have to you have to I mean you know your heart goes out to this to you know your heart goes out to this to you know your heart goes out to this to this woman who obviously was a woman of this woman who obviously was a woman of this woman who obviously was a woman of faith. I mean, there was something in faith. I mean, there was something in faith. I mean, there was something in there that drove her. And for some there that drove her. And for some there that drove her. And for some reason, this guy, it was it was the it's reason, this guy, it was it was the it's reason, this guy, it was it was the it's like the ultimate clash between evil and like the ultimate clash between evil and like the ultimate clash between evil and good because she believes in something good because she believes in something good because she believes in something and he believes in the exact opposite.

and he believes in the exact opposite. and he believes in the exact opposite. And he tries to uh, you know, use his And he tries to uh, you know, use his And he tries to uh, you know, use his manipulative skills and his knowledge of manipulative skills and his knowledge of manipulative skills and his knowledge of the system uh to to break this woman. the system uh to to break this woman. the system uh to to break this woman. and she she went through, you know, she and she she went through, you know, she and she she went through, you know, she went through hell, she went through the went through hell, she went through the went through hell, she went through the trauma, but at the end of the day, he is trauma, but at the end of the day, he is trauma, but at the end of the day, he is doing life in prison and she is, you doing life in prison and she is, you doing life in prison and she is, you know, you can only hope that she's know, you can only hope that she's know, you can only hope that she's getting all the help getting all the help getting all the help >> that's that's out there with victims and >> that's that's out there with victims and >> that's that's out there with victims and um you know, psychological help and just um you know, psychological help and just um you know, psychological help and just the support of the community. But um she the support of the community. But um she the support of the community. But um she won at the end of the day. She won. won at the end of the day. She won. won at the end of the day. She won. >> So Tobasiah was allowed to bond out, but >> So Tobasiah was allowed to bond out, but >> So Tobasiah was allowed to bond out, but not Joel. He was held without bond ahead not Joel. He was held without bond ahead not Joel. He was held without bond ahead of trial. Uh Tobasiah eventually pleaded of trial. Uh Tobasiah eventually pleaded of trial. Uh Tobasiah eventually pleaded guilty to aggravated sexual assault. As guilty to aggravated sexual assault. As guilty to aggravated sexual assault. As part of his plea deal, he cooperated in part of his plea deal, he cooperated in part of his plea deal, he cooperated in the prosecution of Joel Jones. And in the prosecution of Joel Jones. And in the prosecution of Joel Jones. And in May of this year, he was sentenced to 10 May of this year, he was sentenced to 10 May of this year, he was sentenced to 10 years probation. So while he avoided any years probation. So while he avoided any years probation. So while he avoided any prison time, he will live under a lot of prison time, he will live under a lot of prison time, he will live under a lot of restrictions for the next decade and he restrictions for the next decade and he restrictions for the next decade and he will also likely be required to be will also likely be required to be will also likely be required to be registered as a sexual offender. So, you registered as a sexual offender. So, you registered as a sexual offender. So, you know, with these deals, and I want to know, with these deals, and I want to know, with these deals, and I want to make sure I'm correct about this, John, make sure I'm correct about this, John, make sure I'm correct about this, John, that and 10 years is is a long time. It that and 10 years is is a long time. It that and 10 years is is a long time. It basically means if you violate any of basically means if you violate any of basically means if you violate any of those terms of the probation, you go to those terms of the probation, you go to those terms of the probation, you go to prison, right?

prison, right? prison, right? >> Right. You're under a microscope for the >> Right. You're under a microscope for the >> Right. You're under a microscope for the entire probation period. Um, if you now, entire probation period. Um, if you now, entire probation period. Um, if you now, if you get a speeding ticket, that's if you get a speeding ticket, that's if you get a speeding ticket, that's going to be okay. But if you if you get going to be okay. But if you if you get going to be okay. But if you if you get off that line that you're supposed to off that line that you're supposed to off that line that you're supposed to walk for 10 years, these prosecutors walk for 10 years, these prosecutors walk for 10 years, these prosecutors know that they can get him uh sent back, know that they can get him uh sent back, know that they can get him uh sent back, stepped back for the entirety of his stepped back for the entirety of his stepped back for the entirety of his sentence. It's supposed to keep him on sentence. It's supposed to keep him on sentence. It's supposed to keep him on the straight and narrow, and it reflects the straight and narrow, and it reflects the straight and narrow, and it reflects his value to the prosecution and going his value to the prosecution and going his value to the prosecution and going after the real uh mastermind of all this after the real uh mastermind of all this after the real uh mastermind of all this evil activity. evil activity. evil activity. >> So then came Joel's turn. And when faced >> So then came Joel's turn. And when faced >> So then came Joel's turn. And when faced with the evidence and the fact that you with the evidence and the fact that you with the evidence and the fact that you had um someone quite key to this who was had um someone quite key to this who was had um someone quite key to this who was going to testify against him, Joel going to testify against him, Joel going to testify against him, Joel decides that he's going to change his decides that he's going to change his decides that he's going to change his plea and he agrees to plead guilty to plea and he agrees to plead guilty to plea and he agrees to plead guilty to aggravated sexual assault. This was on aggravated sexual assault. This was on aggravated sexual assault. This was on June 9th of this year. Now, he avoided June 9th of this year. Now, he avoided June 9th of this year. Now, he avoided the trial by entering his plea. This the trial by entering his plea. This the trial by entering his plea. This happened as jury selection was happened as jury selection was happened as jury selection was beginning. However, in order to decide beginning. However, in order to decide beginning. However, in order to decide the penalty that he should pay for this, the penalty that he should pay for this, the penalty that he should pay for this, the jury was impanled for this part of the jury was impanled for this part of the jury was impanled for this part of it. And it would be their decision on it. And it would be their decision on it. And it would be their decision on what the sentence should be. And the and what the sentence should be. And the and what the sentence should be. And the and the range is quite huge. It's anywhere the range is quite huge. It's anywhere the range is quite huge. It's anywhere from probation all the way to a life from probation all the way to a life from probation all the way to a life sentence. And prosecutors wanted a life sentence. And prosecutors wanted a life sentence. And prosecutors wanted a life sentence in this case. And

sentence in this case. And sentence in this case. And 20 minutes later, the jury said, "You 20 minutes later, the jury said, "You 20 minutes later, the jury said, "You got it. You will be spending the rest of got it. You will be spending the rest of got it. You will be spending the rest of your life in prison." your life in prison." your life in prison." >> Yeah. 20 minutes, not enough time for >> Yeah. 20 minutes, not enough time for >> Yeah. 20 minutes, not enough time for the jurors to order lunch. They were the jurors to order lunch. They were the jurors to order lunch. They were angry. They wanted to see him go down. angry. They wanted to see him go down. angry. They wanted to see him go down. >> And if you're the defense on this, all >> And if you're the defense on this, all >> And if you're the defense on this, all you're doing is rolling the dice and you're doing is rolling the dice and you're doing is rolling the dice and hoping that that somebody sees some, you hoping that that somebody sees some, you hoping that that somebody sees some, you know, glimmer of not evil in the know, glimmer of not evil in the know, glimmer of not evil in the defendant. just the idea that maybe the defendant. just the idea that maybe the defendant. just the idea that maybe the jurors would give them something uh jurors would give them something uh jurors would give them something uh lesser. Um and it's it's like going to lesser. Um and it's it's like going to lesser. Um and it's it's like going to the casino with your future with your the casino with your future with your the casino with your future with your life. I mean, you don't know what the life. I mean, you don't know what the life. I mean, you don't know what the jurors are going to do, but you know jurors are going to do, but you know jurors are going to do, but you know that they're that they're angry. They that they're that they're angry. They that they're that they're angry. They know that somebody needs to pay. And you know that somebody needs to pay. And you know that somebody needs to pay. And you know, I I feel bad for the defense team know, I I feel bad for the defense team know, I I feel bad for the defense team because that's all that they could do because that's all that they could do because that's all that they could do was hope that somehow they would get was hope that somehow they would get was hope that somehow they would get something that wasn't uh you know, life something that wasn't uh you know, life something that wasn't uh you know, life in a in a prison in Texas. But the end in a in a prison in Texas. But the end in a in a prison in Texas. But the end of the day, the jurors uh did not like of the day, the jurors uh did not like of the day, the jurors uh did not like this guy. They did not like what he did. this guy. They did not like what he did. this guy. They did not like what he did. They wanted him to uh pay the penalty.

They wanted him to uh pay the penalty. They wanted him to uh pay the penalty. Um and he's going to pay his debt to Um and he's going to pay his debt to Um and he's going to pay his debt to society for the rest of his life. society for the rest of his life. society for the rest of his life. >> Yeah. And I don't know. Um but sometimes >> Yeah. And I don't know. Um but sometimes >> Yeah. And I don't know. Um but sometimes I look at it this way when trials are I look at it this way when trials are I look at it this way when trials are avoided in cases like this. I sometimes avoided in cases like this. I sometimes avoided in cases like this. I sometimes and it depends on the family, right? And and it depends on the family, right? And and it depends on the family, right? And and survivors and their families. and survivors and their families. and survivors and their families. In this case, I see the victim being In this case, I see the victim being In this case, I see the victim being spared having to retell what happened to spared having to retell what happened to spared having to retell what happened to her. And that is fairly traumatic. And her. And that is fairly traumatic. And her. And that is fairly traumatic. And so, so, so, especially if she is spared and he gets especially if she is spared and he gets especially if she is spared and he gets the maximum sentence, that really is the the maximum sentence, that really is the the maximum sentence, that really is the most justice you could hope for. most justice you could hope for. most justice you could hope for. >> That's exactly right, Anna. The as a >> That's exactly right, Anna. The as a >> That's exactly right, Anna. The as a prosecutor, you can get tunnel vision. prosecutor, you can get tunnel vision. prosecutor, you can get tunnel vision. You can say, "Boy, we're going to take You can say, "Boy, we're going to take You can say, "Boy, we're going to take this guy to trial. Uh, he did something this guy to trial. Uh, he did something this guy to trial. Uh, he did something so horrific that we need a public so horrific that we need a public so horrific that we need a public airing. He needs his day in court, but airing. He needs his day in court, but airing. He needs his day in court, but the community needs to see that we're the community needs to see that we're the community needs to see that we're doing our jobs." And if you're in that doing our jobs." And if you're in that doing our jobs." And if you're in that tunnel vision uh phase, you sometimes tunnel vision uh phase, you sometimes tunnel vision uh phase, you sometimes have to take a step back, sit down with have to take a step back, sit down with have to take a step back, sit down with your victim, and say, "Oh, by the way, your victim, and say, "Oh, by the way, your victim, and say, "Oh, by the way, what would this do to you if we have to what would this do to you if we have to what would this do to you if we have to go to trial?" And sometimes you have go to trial?" And sometimes you have go to trial?" And sometimes you have victims who say, you know, I've already victims who say, you know, I've already victims who say, you know, I've already been traumatized so badly that it been traumatized so badly that it been traumatized so badly that it doesn't matter. Let's take this case to doesn't matter. Let's take this case to doesn't matter. Let's take this case to trial and see what happens. Um, other trial and see what happens. Um, other trial and see what happens. Um, other times a victim says, "I don't want to go times a victim says, "I don't want to go times a victim says, "I don't want to go through that again. You know, take a a through that again. You know, take a a through that again. You know, take a a shot with the jury on the sentencing, shot with the jury on the sentencing, shot with the jury on the sentencing, but I'm okay if um we skip the trial and but I'm okay if um we skip the trial and but I'm okay if um we skip the trial and we just try to get the best possible we just try to get the best possible we just try to get the best possible outcome." You know, where that happened

outcome." You know, where that happened outcome." You know, where that happened most recently was the Brian Coberger most recently was the Brian Coberger most recently was the Brian Coberger murders in Idaho. The victims uh he murders in Idaho. The victims uh he murders in Idaho. The victims uh he avoided a trial by pleading and it's avoided a trial by pleading and it's avoided a trial by pleading and it's certainly controversial because there certainly controversial because there certainly controversial because there was not a public hearing of his defense. was not a public hearing of his defense. was not a public hearing of his defense. there was not a public hearing of the there was not a public hearing of the there was not a public hearing of the case and um you know that that kind of case and um you know that that kind of case and um you know that that kind of sharpens the focus on decisions sharpens the focus on decisions sharpens the focus on decisions prosecutors have to make in in concert prosecutors have to make in in concert prosecutors have to make in in concert with victims and sometimes you get with victims and sometimes you get with victims and sometimes you get victims families that are uh very victims families that are uh very victims families that are uh very unhappy about the about the outcome and unhappy about the about the outcome and unhappy about the about the outcome and other times you have victims who say I other times you have victims who say I other times you have victims who say I got spared the trauma of living through got spared the trauma of living through got spared the trauma of living through that again just as you said and so it's that again just as you said and so it's that again just as you said and so it's a case by case thing but you can a case by case thing but you can a case by case thing but you can certainly understand why in this case certainly understand why in this case certainly understand why in this case maybe the woman said I do not want to maybe the woman said I do not want to maybe the woman said I do not want to live through that again I do not want to live through that again I do not want to live through that again I do not want to be on the and under cross-examination. be on the and under cross-examination. be on the and under cross-examination. And let's just put this to rest. And let's just put this to rest. And let's just put this to rest. >> Yeah. And we just had it very recently >> Yeah. And we just had it very recently >> Yeah. And we just had it very recently with Rex Herman, the serial killer out with Rex Herman, the serial killer out with Rex Herman, the serial killer out of Gilgo Beach, Long Island, New York, of Gilgo Beach, Long Island, New York, of Gilgo Beach, Long Island, New York, where he entered his plea. Um I do find where he entered his plea. Um I do find where he entered his plea. Um I do find it interesting as part of Rex Herman's it interesting as part of Rex Herman's it interesting as part of Rex Herman's plea, all the women that he killed that plea, all the women that he killed that plea, all the women that he killed that he has to sit down with FBI profilers, he has to sit down with FBI profilers, he has to sit down with FBI profilers, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> How can you even enforce it if he >> How can you even enforce it if he >> How can you even enforce it if he doesn't want to? I mean, these are doesn't want to? I mean, these are doesn't want to? I mean, these are tricky, slippery people. tricky, slippery people. tricky, slippery people. >> They are. But, you know, if anything you >> They are. But, you know, if anything you >> They are. But, you know, if anything you from a prosecutor standpoint, if they from a prosecutor standpoint, if they from a prosecutor standpoint, if they can even glean a little bit of can even glean a little bit of can even glean a little bit of information about the mind of somebody information about the mind of somebody information about the mind of somebody who is, you know, purely evil. Um, and who is, you know, purely evil. Um, and who is, you know, purely evil. Um, and it benefits law enforcement down the it benefits law enforcement down the it benefits law enforcement down the road in terms of profiling and road in terms of profiling and road in terms of profiling and investigation. Um, you have to think investigation. Um, you have to think investigation. Um, you have to think it's worth doing that because maybe it's worth doing that because maybe it's worth doing that because maybe we'll get something out of the mind of a we'll get something out of the mind of a we'll get something out of the mind of a serial killer that we didn't have serial killer that we didn't have serial killer that we didn't have before. or maybe it's going to add to before. or maybe it's going to add to before. or maybe it's going to add to the body of knowledge we have that's the body of knowledge we have that's the body of knowledge we have that's going to make investigation of this kind going to make investigation of this kind going to make investigation of this kind of crime uh more effective. So, um you of crime uh more effective. So, um you of crime uh more effective. So, um you can understand why they want to see what can understand why they want to see what can understand why they want to see what they can get from this person. Of they can get from this person. Of they can get from this person. Of course, you know, are they going to be course, you know, are they going to be course, you know, are they going to be honest? Are they going to be totally uh honest? Are they going to be totally uh honest? Are they going to be totally uh compliant? I mean, who knows? But at the compliant? I mean, who knows? But at the compliant? I mean, who knows? But at the end of the day, if you can get even a end of the day, if you can get even a end of the day, if you can get even a little bit of information, it could be little bit of information, it could be little bit of information, it could be worth it. worth it. worth it. >> Yeah. Well, we'll see. if he's he's >> Yeah. Well, we'll see. if he's he's >> Yeah. Well, we'll see. if he's he's stuck in prison and lonely and you know stuck in prison and lonely and you know stuck in prison and lonely and you know it passes the time to talk to an FBI it passes the time to talk to an FBI it passes the time to talk to an FBI profiler. I just from I just look at it profiler. I just from I just look at it profiler. I just from I just look at it like he's getting this extra attention like he's getting this extra attention like he's getting this extra attention again and it's being validated that he again and it's being validated that he again and it's being validated that he is in the world of killers.

is in the world of killers. is in the world of killers. He's unique and special even if in the He's unique and special even if in the He's unique and special even if in the most horrific way. So, I guess there's most horrific way. So, I guess there's most horrific way. So, I guess there's that part of it that I hate the idea of that part of it that I hate the idea of that part of it that I hate the idea of feeding this man, you know, attention. feeding this man, you know, attention. feeding this man, you know, attention. >> Well, you know, we remember Jodie Foster >> Well, you know, we remember Jodie Foster >> Well, you know, we remember Jodie Foster and The Silence of the Lambs playing the and The Silence of the Lambs playing the and The Silence of the Lambs playing the FBI agent who has to get information. FBI agent who has to get information. FBI agent who has to get information. >> It's the same concept. And is there a >> It's the same concept. And is there a >> It's the same concept. And is there a greater good to come out of it? greater good to come out of it? greater good to come out of it? >> I mean, that's kind of the balance. >> I mean, that's kind of the balance. >> I mean, that's kind of the balance. That's kind of the question that that That's kind of the question that that That's kind of the question that that only law enforcement can answer. only law enforcement can answer. only law enforcement can answer. Well, in this case, um, we achieved, Well, in this case, um, we achieved, Well, in this case, um, we achieved, they achieved the most justice possible they achieved the most justice possible they achieved the most justice possible under the circumstances, maximum under the circumstances, maximum under the circumstances, maximum sentence, avoided a trial in which the sentence, avoided a trial in which the sentence, avoided a trial in which the victim would have to sit through it. So, victim would have to sit through it. So, victim would have to sit through it. So, you know, I I justice you know, I I justice you know, I I justice has been served. It's It's always empty has been served. It's It's always empty has been served. It's It's always empty because she will never be the same. But because she will never be the same. But because she will never be the same. But thank goodness she's got that strength thank goodness she's got that strength thank goodness she's got that strength and she has her faith. And this is about and she has her faith. And this is about and she has her faith. And this is about one of the most disgusting cases that one of the most disgusting cases that one of the most disgusting cases that we've had to um talk about on this we've had to um talk about on this we've had to um talk about on this podcast in a long time.

podcast in a long time. podcast in a long time. >> Yeah. And it does go back to his stated >> Yeah. And it does go back to his stated >> Yeah. And it does go back to his stated purpose was to break her faith. Um he purpose was to break her faith. Um he purpose was to break her faith. Um he may have tested it obviously, but you may have tested it obviously, but you may have tested it obviously, but you cannot get a more uh perfect example of cannot get a more uh perfect example of cannot get a more uh perfect example of evil versus good. Someone trying not evil versus good. Someone trying not evil versus good. Someone trying not only to physically break somebody, but only to physically break somebody, but only to physically break somebody, but to spiritually break them. And in the to spiritually break them. And in the to spiritually break them. And in the end, he failed. He's going to be uh in end, he failed. He's going to be uh in end, he failed. He's going to be uh in prison the rest of his life. and she can prison the rest of his life. and she can prison the rest of his life. and she can at least know that she uh stood for at least know that she uh stood for at least know that she uh stood for something. She stood her ground and she something. She stood her ground and she something. She stood her ground and she beat back this evil attempt to break the beat back this evil attempt to break the beat back this evil attempt to break the thing that was most important to her. thing that was most important to her. thing that was most important to her. >> It is time for our comment section. >> It is time for our comment section. >> It is time for our comment section. These are the crime cases you all are These are the crime cases you all are These are the crime cases you all are talking about on social media. And talking about on social media. And talking about on social media. And here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, Will. How are you? Will. How are you? Will. How are you? >> Good. How's it going, Anna? Feels like >> Good. How's it going, Anna? Feels like >> Good. How's it going, Anna? Feels like it's been a long time. it's been a long time. it's been a long time. >> It has been because you got very sick. >> It has been because you got very sick. >> It has been because you got very sick. You had terrible laryngitis. We couldn't You had terrible laryngitis. We couldn't You had terrible laryngitis. We couldn't we couldn't even hear you for weeks. we couldn't even hear you for weeks. we couldn't even hear you for weeks. >> It was awful. And then I was took a >> It was awful. And then I was took a >> It was awful. And then I was took a little vacation time and here we are little vacation time and here we are little vacation time and here we are again again again >> back at it. John, so great to have you >> back at it. John, so great to have you >> back at it. John, so great to have you on the show. Uh really excited for you on the show. Uh really excited for you on the show. Uh really excited for you to be part of your first comment to be part of your first comment to be part of your first comment section. This is uh we just like to end section. This is uh we just like to end section. This is uh we just like to end on something like a little bit lighter on something like a little bit lighter on something like a little bit lighter than uh you know the the the previous than uh you know the the the previous than uh you know the the the previous case. Uh so this one is a case I'm case. Uh so this one is a case I'm case. Uh so this one is a case I'm calling uh a speeding senior. This comes calling uh a speeding senior. This comes calling uh a speeding senior. This comes out of Leburg, Florida, where an out of Leburg, Florida, where an out of Leburg, Florida, where an 85year-old man has been arrested for 85year-old man has been arrested for 85year-old man has been arrested for street racing after he was allegedly street racing after he was allegedly street racing after he was allegedly clocked speeding at triple digits clocked speeding at triple digits clocked speeding at triple digits through a 45 mph zone. Uh, so this all through a 45 mph zone. Uh, so this all through a 45 mph zone. Uh, so this all came about when a deputy with the Lake came about when a deputy with the Lake came about when a deputy with the Lake County Sheriff's Office saw two vehicles County Sheriff's Office saw two vehicles County Sheriff's Office saw two vehicles traveling at an abnormally high rate of traveling at an abnormally high rate of traveling at an abnormally high rate of speed at around 11:40 p.m. on June 12th,

speed at around 11:40 p.m. on June 12th, speed at around 11:40 p.m. on June 12th, nearly midnight there. So, pretty pretty nearly midnight there. So, pretty pretty nearly midnight there. So, pretty pretty late night street racing. According to late night street racing. According to late night street racing. According to authorities, uh the radar clocked one of authorities, uh the radar clocked one of authorities, uh the radar clocked one of the vehicles, which was uh a red the vehicles, which was uh a red the vehicles, which was uh a red Corvette traveling at 125 mph and then a Corvette traveling at 125 mph and then a Corvette traveling at 125 mph and then a gray sports car traveling behind that gray sports car traveling behind that gray sports car traveling behind that vehicle at around 110 mph according to vehicle at around 110 mph according to vehicle at around 110 mph according to officers. Again, traveling at these officers. Again, traveling at these officers. Again, traveling at these speeds in an alleged 45 mph zone. So, speeds in an alleged 45 mph zone. So, speeds in an alleged 45 mph zone. So, the officer uh you know sends the lights the officer uh you know sends the lights the officer uh you know sends the lights up and they begin pursuing the gray up and they begin pursuing the gray up and they begin pursuing the gray sports car here sort of at the back of sports car here sort of at the back of sports car here sort of at the back of the pack. They pull over the driver, uh, the pack. They pull over the driver, uh, the pack. They pull over the driver, uh, 85year-old William Bosworth here, and 85year-old William Bosworth here, and 85year-old William Bosworth here, and the entire incident is captured on body the entire incident is captured on body the entire incident is captured on body cam, uh, as the officer is kind of, uh, cam, uh, as the officer is kind of, uh, cam, uh, as the officer is kind of, uh, is interviewing this man. And William is interviewing this man. And William is interviewing this man. And William has like a cigarella in his mouth, like has like a cigarella in his mouth, like has like a cigarella in his mouth, like a one of those like tiny thin cigars in a one of those like tiny thin cigars in a one of those like tiny thin cigars in his mouth throughout the entire his mouth throughout the entire his mouth throughout the entire interaction. And he's like kind of interaction. And he's like kind of interaction. And he's like kind of puffing on it. And it gives I don't know puffing on it. And it gives I don't know puffing on it. And it gives I don't know when I watched it, it just like gives when I watched it, it just like gives when I watched it, it just like gives this entire air of like uh a a guy who's this entire air of like uh a a guy who's this entire air of like uh a a guy who's like 85, but he's still in in his mind like 85, but he's still in in his mind like 85, but he's still in in his mind like in, you know, in his 20s. He's like in, you know, in his 20s. He's like in, you know, in his 20s. He's still at his peak here. Uh so when they still at his peak here. Uh so when they still at his peak here. Uh so when they ask him about this speed racing thing, ask him about this speed racing thing, ask him about this speed racing thing, he uh you know, he denies it. He he says he uh you know, he denies it. He he says he uh you know, he denies it. He he says that uh the that the other vehicle that uh the that the other vehicle that uh the that the other vehicle actually swerved at him. So he traveled actually swerved at him. So he traveled actually swerved at him. So he traveled to this high level of speed to uh quote to this high level of speed to uh quote to this high level of speed to uh quote unquote get away from him before we unquote get away from him before we unquote get away from him before we caused a problem. It was interesting caused a problem. It was interesting caused a problem. It was interesting that he said we there. But uh who knows that he said we there. But uh who knows that he said we there. But uh who knows maybe it may maybe be a bit of a of a maybe it may maybe be a bit of a of a maybe it may maybe be a bit of a of a slip and he you know repeatedly denies

slip and he you know repeatedly denies slip and he you know repeatedly denies this whole street racing scenario. He this whole street racing scenario. He this whole street racing scenario. He says he doesn't even know the man. and says he doesn't even know the man. and says he doesn't even know the man. and he gives my favorite line which is he he gives my favorite line which is he he gives my favorite line which is he says he was simply out having a little says he was simply out having a little says he was simply out having a little ride in my favorite car which um you ride in my favorite car which um you ride in my favorite car which um you know who know who know who >> that's that that's an identifiable >> that's that that's an identifiable >> that's that that's an identifiable feeling. Uh so if you're wondering about feeling. Uh so if you're wondering about feeling. Uh so if you're wondering about this other driver now, the red Corvette, this other driver now, the red Corvette, this other driver now, the red Corvette, authorities eventually caught up with authorities eventually caught up with authorities eventually caught up with him. Uh and this vehicle was allegedly him. Uh and this vehicle was allegedly him. Uh and this vehicle was allegedly driven by 57year-old Philip Senorio. Uh driven by 57year-old Philip Senorio. Uh driven by 57year-old Philip Senorio. Uh and he was caught that same evening. He and he was caught that same evening. He and he was caught that same evening. He also denied street racing and he claimed also denied street racing and he claimed also denied street racing and he claimed he didn't know William as well. So, who he didn't know William as well. So, who he didn't know William as well. So, who knows if if these guys are are making knows if if these guys are are making knows if if these guys are are making this up, if they did know each other, if this up, if they did know each other, if this up, if they did know each other, if it was just a random street race at it was just a random street race at it was just a random street race at 11:40 p.m. at night. It's like there's a 11:40 p.m. at night. It's like there's a 11:40 p.m. at night. It's like there's a lot of things that uh I have questions lot of things that uh I have questions lot of things that uh I have questions about. about. about. >> And both of them are old enough to know >> And both of them are old enough to know >> And both of them are old enough to know better. better. better. >> Well, it's a combined age of what, 160? >> Well, it's a combined age of what, 160? >> Well, it's a combined age of what, 160? These guys racing in the street like a These guys racing in the street like a These guys racing in the street like a Springsteen song. I mean, take it to the Springsteen song. I mean, take it to the Springsteen song. I mean, take it to the track. Yeah. If you're going to God track. Yeah. If you're going to God track. Yeah. If you're going to God bless him for being 85 and having the bless him for being 85 and having the bless him for being 85 and having the motor skills to control a car that fast.

motor skills to control a car that fast. motor skills to control a car that fast. on the other hand, you know, nobody got on the other hand, you know, nobody got on the other hand, you know, nobody got hurt. I mean, you know, thank God. But hurt. I mean, you know, thank God. But hurt. I mean, you know, thank God. But take there's tracks out there. Take it take there's tracks out there. Take it take there's tracks out there. Take it to the track, compete against the other to the track, compete against the other to the track, compete against the other 80 year olds. Uh it's a lot safer. Um 80 year olds. Uh it's a lot safer. Um 80 year olds. Uh it's a lot safer. Um but at the same time, I like the idea of but at the same time, I like the idea of but at the same time, I like the idea of him having a what a cigar hanging out of him having a what a cigar hanging out of him having a what a cigar hanging out of his lips as he's being questioned. So, his lips as he's being questioned. So, his lips as he's being questioned. So, he's got an attitude which uh in the he's got an attitude which uh in the he's got an attitude which uh in the appropriate place could be really uh appropriate place could be really uh appropriate place could be really uh could be really funny. could be really funny. could be really funny. Um, and so this the guy that was driving Um, and so this the guy that was driving Um, and so this the guy that was driving this red Corvette here, uh, Phillip, he, this red Corvette here, uh, Phillip, he, this red Corvette here, uh, Phillip, he, you know, he also says he doesn't know you know, he also says he doesn't know you know, he also says he doesn't know anything about this whole thing, but he anything about this whole thing, but he anything about this whole thing, but he might have sort of like gotten himself might have sort of like gotten himself might have sort of like gotten himself in trouble uh when he was in uh in in trouble uh when he was in uh in in trouble uh when he was in uh in custody according to media outlets. Uh, custody according to media outlets. Uh, custody according to media outlets. Uh, he was asked by jail staff like which he was asked by jail staff like which he was asked by jail staff like which car he was driving and he allegedly said car he was driving and he allegedly said car he was driving and he allegedly said uh the one that won, the Corvette. So, uh the one that won, the Corvette. So, uh the one that won, the Corvette. So, uh, maybe they they do know a little bit uh, maybe they they do know a little bit uh, maybe they they do know a little bit more there. They're both facing charges more there. They're both facing charges more there. They're both facing charges of racing on a highway and excessive of racing on a highway and excessive of racing on a highway and excessive speeding. Uh the comments on this one I speeding. Uh the comments on this one I speeding. Uh the comments on this one I I mean echoed sort of like what what I mean echoed sort of like what what I mean echoed sort of like what what John said like luckily no one was hurt.

John said like luckily no one was hurt. John said like luckily no one was hurt. A lot of people were really excited for A lot of people were really excited for A lot of people were really excited for this uh sort of 85year-old man. Uh I'll this uh sort of 85year-old man. Uh I'll this uh sort of 85year-old man. Uh I'll show a picture of his mug shot. He's show a picture of his mug shot. He's show a picture of his mug shot. He's smiling. Uh it you know it it doesn't smiling. Uh it you know it it doesn't smiling. Uh it you know it it doesn't see see see it doesn't seem like he's having too bad it doesn't seem like he's having too bad it doesn't seem like he's having too bad of a time. Uh allegedly I I you know I of a time. Uh allegedly I I you know I of a time. Uh allegedly I I you know I I'm guessing something like this. I I'm guessing something like this. I I'm guessing something like this. I mean, racing on a highway, excessive mean, racing on a highway, excessive mean, racing on a highway, excessive speeding. John, you know, with an 85y speeding. John, you know, with an 85y speeding. John, you know, with an 85y old defendant, I I'm saying what? You're old defendant, I I'm saying what? You're old defendant, I I'm saying what? You're giving them a ticket, maybe a community giving them a ticket, maybe a community giving them a ticket, maybe a community service or something. You're you're service or something. You're you're service or something. You're you're probably letting him off pretty light. probably letting him off pretty light. probably letting him off pretty light. >> Yeah. You know, you want to um on the >> Yeah. You know, you want to um on the >> Yeah. You know, you want to um on the one hand, yeah, I can understand why one hand, yeah, I can understand why one hand, yeah, I can understand why people celebrate the the spirit of an people celebrate the the spirit of an people celebrate the the spirit of an 85year-old who can still keep the car 85year-old who can still keep the car 85year-old who can still keep the car going in a straight line at that rate of going in a straight line at that rate of going in a straight line at that rate of speed. On the other hand, again, a speed. On the other hand, again, a speed. On the other hand, again, a little dangerous for those of us who are little dangerous for those of us who are little dangerous for those of us who are out there not driving out there not driving out there not driving >> 85. Um, but there are plenty of places >> 85. Um, but there are plenty of places >> 85. Um, but there are plenty of places to do this kind of racing. I mean, it's, to do this kind of racing. I mean, it's, to do this kind of racing. I mean, it's, you know, it's a And you have to wonder, you know, it's a And you have to wonder, you know, it's a And you have to wonder, is this something this guy's been doing is this something this guy's been doing is this something this guy's been doing for the last 60 plus years, and this is for the last 60 plus years, and this is for the last 60 plus years, and this is the first time he got caught, the first time he got caught, the first time he got caught, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Yeah. No, that's interesting if there >> Yeah. No, that's interesting if there >> Yeah. No, that's interesting if there has been like a long a long pattern of has been like a long a long pattern of has been like a long a long pattern of behavior here. Uh, but people had a lot behavior here. Uh, but people had a lot behavior here. Uh, but people had a lot to say about this one. Uh, Ald said, to say about this one. Uh, Ald said, to say about this one. Uh, Ald said, "This man has probably been driving "This man has probably been driving "This man has probably been driving longer than the cop that arrested him longer than the cop that arrested him longer than the cop that arrested him has been alive." Uh, from the looks of has been alive." Uh, from the looks of has been alive." Uh, from the looks of it, can confirm. uh seemed like a it, can confirm. uh seemed like a it, can confirm. uh seemed like a younger officer here, which uh yeah, I I younger officer here, which uh yeah, I I younger officer here, which uh yeah, I I I I I gotta wonder like what because you I I I gotta wonder like what because you I I I gotta wonder like what because you see this car, it's like a it's like a see this car, it's like a it's like a see this car, it's like a it's like a gray uh Nissan 350Z, and I think if gray uh Nissan 350Z, and I think if gray uh Nissan 350Z, and I think if you're the officer, you probably you're the officer, you probably you're the officer, you probably immediately have a picture in your head immediately have a picture in your head immediately have a picture in your head of who you think you're about to pull

of who you think you're about to pull of who you think you're about to pull over, right? And then out is 85year-old over, right? And then out is 85year-old over, right? And then out is 85year-old William Bosworth uh smoking a cigarella. William Bosworth uh smoking a cigarella. William Bosworth uh smoking a cigarella. Uh I I like I wonder if the officer had Uh I I like I wonder if the officer had Uh I I like I wonder if the officer had a had a reaction to that cuz we don't a had a reaction to that cuz we don't a had a reaction to that cuz we don't get to see that part on body cam. get to see that part on body cam. get to see that part on body cam. >> Well, it's uh you know, it's like I >> Well, it's uh you know, it's like I >> Well, it's uh you know, it's like I said, the guy has some has an attitude. said, the guy has some has an attitude. said, the guy has some has an attitude. He's got some spirit and in the He's got some spirit and in the He's got some spirit and in the appropriate place I'd go pay to watch, appropriate place I'd go pay to watch, appropriate place I'd go pay to watch, you know, guys in their 90s race each you know, guys in their 90s race each you know, guys in their 90s race each other at a racetrack. I mean, that could other at a racetrack. I mean, that could other at a racetrack. I mean, that could >> come on now, John. Really? >> come on now, John. Really? >> come on now, John. Really? >> I mean, you know, >> I mean, you know, >> I mean, you know, >> in a safe if it's safe, then yes, I want >> in a safe if it's safe, then yes, I want >> in a safe if it's safe, then yes, I want to check it out. As long as as long as to check it out. As long as as long as to check it out. As long as as long as we're insured that there's it's safe, we're insured that there's it's safe, we're insured that there's it's safe, then definitely. see that at a county then definitely. see that at a county then definitely. see that at a county fair or something, right? Like a like a fair or something, right? Like a like a fair or something, right? Like a like a racing with like an 80 and up sort of racing with like an 80 and up sort of racing with like an 80 and up sort of age bracket. I don't know. age bracket. I don't know. age bracket. I don't know. >> You know, it's a 80s the new uh 50, I >> You know, it's a 80s the new uh 50, I >> You know, it's a 80s the new uh 50, I guess, or 40 or 20 if you're driving guess, or 40 or 20 if you're driving guess, or 40 or 20 if you're driving that fast. that fast. that fast. >> And I have caught some flak on here >> And I have caught some flak on here >> And I have caught some flak on here before for referring to some defendants before for referring to some defendants before for referring to some defendants as as old. Uh but I do think most people as as old. Uh but I do think most people as as old. Uh but I do think most people are on my side that 85 does seem to be are on my side that 85 does seem to be are on my side that 85 does seem to be an age where you should know to maybe an age where you should know to maybe an age where you should know to maybe not drive so fast. I think his motor not drive so fast. I think his motor not drive so fast. I think his motor skills deteriorate, but other than that, skills deteriorate, but other than that, skills deteriorate, but other than that, you know, he's got the he's got an he's you know, he's got the he's got an he's you know, he's got the he's got an he's got an approach to life. So, got an approach to life. So, got an approach to life. So, >> yeah, a real joy to Viv. Uh, >> yeah, a real joy to Viv. Uh, >> yeah, a real joy to Viv. Uh, every second matter said 85 years old.

every second matter said 85 years old. every second matter said 85 years old. He's just a kid, which I love that. As I He's just a kid, which I love that. As I He's just a kid, which I love that. As I said, I have gotten some flack here on said, I have gotten some flack here on said, I have gotten some flack here on how I've uh referred to the age of some how I've uh referred to the age of some how I've uh referred to the age of some suspects. Uh, you can't be doing this suspects. Uh, you can't be doing this suspects. Uh, you can't be doing this said he was great in Fast and the said he was great in Fast and the said he was great in Fast and the Furious 35, which uh, yeah, I like the Furious 35, which uh, yeah, I like the Furious 35, which uh, yeah, I like the idea of like an original character being idea of like an original character being idea of like an original character being stretched out to that long cuz who stretched out to that long cuz who stretched out to that long cuz who knows? They'll probably keep those knows? They'll probably keep those knows? They'll probably keep those things going forever. Um, and I'm going things going forever. Um, and I'm going things going forever. Um, and I'm going to end this on a comment from Geeka to end this on a comment from Geeka to end this on a comment from Geeka Geeker who said, "Grandpa theft auto," Geeker who said, "Grandpa theft auto," Geeker who said, "Grandpa theft auto," which I liked. It was pretty clever. which I liked. It was pretty clever. which I liked. It was pretty clever. >> Uh, but that is going to do it for this >> Uh, but that is going to do it for this >> Uh, but that is going to do it for this week's comment section. I want to thank week's comment section. I want to thank week's comment section. I want to thank everybody who sent those in. You can do everybody who sent those in. You can do everybody who sent those in. You can do that over on our YouTube community page. that over on our YouTube community page. that over on our YouTube community page. Also, you can comment on every video and Also, you can comment on every video and Also, you can comment on every video and it does read your comments. Uh, but it does read your comments. Uh, but it does read your comments. Uh, but that'll do it for this week. Until next that'll do it for this week. Until next that'll do it for this week. Until next time, don't do crime, time, don't do crime, time, don't do crime, >> John. It has been a pleasure to have you >> John. It has been a pleasure to have you >> John. It has been a pleasure to have you on today. on today. on today. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for having me. >> John, can people follow you? Are you on >> John, can people follow you? Are you on >> John, can people follow you? Are you on social media? Um, social media? Um, social media? Um, >> I mean, I just my web page. Uh, but I, >> I mean, I just my web page. Uh, but I, >> I mean, I just my web page. Uh, but I, um, you know, I do a lot of these um, you know, I do a lot of these um, you know, I do a lot of these things, various platforms. It's, uh, I things, various platforms. It's, uh, I things, various platforms. It's, uh, I enjoy it. It's good. It's a It's a enjoy it. It's good. It's a It's a enjoy it. It's good. It's a It's a service and it's um it's good to meet service and it's um it's good to meet service and it's um it's good to meet you guys. I'm glad we could connect.

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