She killed two people. Then she became a celebrity.

>> Hello and welcome to a new episode from >> Hello and welcome to a new episode from the team of True Crime News. I'm Anna the team of True Crime News. I'm Anna the team of True Crime News. I'm Anna Garcia and I'm here with my son Lorenzo Garcia and I'm here with my son Lorenzo Garcia and I'm here with my son Lorenzo talking about a case that everyone can't talking about a case that everyone can't talking about a case that everyone can't get enough of, Mackenzie Shirilla. What get enough of, Mackenzie Shirilla. What get enough of, Mackenzie Shirilla. What is going on with this woman? The judge is going on with this woman? The judge is going on with this woman? The judge calls her calls her calls her hell on wheels hell on wheels hell on wheels and she tells her mother she's the and she tells her mother she's the and she tells her mother she's the prettiest girl in prison. Like, who is prettiest girl in prison. Like, who is prettiest girl in prison. Like, who is this woman? this woman? this woman? >> Anna, she's a funny one. I in a weird >> Anna, she's a funny one. I in a weird >> Anna, she's a funny one. I in a weird way I feel like I know her. Like, I feel way I feel like I know her. Like, I feel way I feel like I know her. Like, I feel like I've seen this girl in middle like I've seen this girl in middle like I've seen this girl in middle school and high school and I school and high school and I school and high school and I I don't think she's innocent, but I do I don't think she's innocent, but I do I don't think she's innocent, but I do have some sympathy for her. But, she's have some sympathy for her. But, she's have some sympathy for her. But, she's also insane, which I kind of love. also insane, which I kind of love. also insane, which I kind of love. >> You love? >> You love? >> You love? >> I I there's something about the >> I I there's something about the >> I I there's something about the sensationality of her that sensationality of her that sensationality of her that she's so crazy and so tone-deaf in a way she's so crazy and so tone-deaf in a way she's so crazy and so tone-deaf in a way that I think is inherently kind of that I think is inherently kind of that I think is inherently kind of playing on something that is attractive playing on something that is attractive playing on something that is attractive these days in pop culture, which I think these days in pop culture, which I think these days in pop culture, which I think is part of why she's getting so much is part of why she's getting so much is part of why she's getting so much like attention. like attention. like attention. >> I feel like it's the old-fashioned train >> I feel like it's the old-fashioned train >> I feel like it's the old-fashioned train wreck, right? That's a a term that we wreck, right? That's a a term that we wreck, right? That's a a term that we would use. You can't help but watch this would use. You can't help but watch this would use. You can't help but watch this and even as she's going off the tracks, and even as she's going off the tracks, and even as she's going off the tracks, she's still fascinating and engaging, she's still fascinating and engaging, she's still fascinating and engaging, but she's a convicted killer.

but she's a convicted killer. but she's a convicted killer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Twice over. >> Twice over. >> Twice over. All right. Let's talk about the case. All right. Let's talk about the case. All right. Let's talk about the case. Let's Let's Let's catch up. Let's Let's Let's catch up. Let's Let's Let's catch up. Let's jump into it and see what Let's jump into it and see what Let's jump into it and see what happened. Okay. So, this would have been happened. Okay. So, this would have been happened. Okay. So, this would have been in 2022 outside Cleveland in this really in 2022 outside Cleveland in this really in 2022 outside Cleveland in this really nice suburb. nice suburb. nice suburb. And Mckenzie is driving and she's got And Mckenzie is driving and she's got And Mckenzie is driving and she's got her boyfriend, Dominic, in the car. And her boyfriend, Dominic, in the car. And her boyfriend, Dominic, in the car. And his one of his best friends, Davion. his one of his best friends, Davion. his one of his best friends, Davion. It's like 5:00 in the morning and all of It's like 5:00 in the morning and all of It's like 5:00 in the morning and all of a sudden a sudden a sudden there is a horrific crash. there is a horrific crash. there is a horrific crash. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> I don't even know how to freaking >> I don't even know how to freaking >> I don't even know how to freaking >> She's alive. We got to get her out of >> She's alive. We got to get her out of >> She's alive. We got to get her out of here because here because here because she's pinned in there. she's pinned in there. she's pinned in there. >> I don't feel pulse on this guy. >> I don't feel pulse on this guy. >> I don't feel pulse on this guy. >> When you saw the video of that crash, >> When you saw the video of that crash, >> When you saw the video of that crash, what did you think? what did you think? what did you think? >> For me, it was like the car being split >> For me, it was like the car being split >> For me, it was like the car being split open in the front. I was like how open in the front. I was like how open in the front. I was like how genuinely how was that possible? Like genuinely how was that possible? Like genuinely how was that possible? Like they must have they must have been going they must have they must have been going they must have they must have been going so fast. But yeah, it was just complete so fast. But yeah, it was just complete so fast. But yeah, it was just complete wreckage. wreckage. wreckage. >> So, you would think everybody in that >> So, you would think everybody in that >> So, you would think everybody in that car was dead when the police pulled up.

car was dead when the police pulled up. car was dead when the police pulled up. And two of them were, Dominic and And two of them were, Dominic and And two of them were, Dominic and Davion. But somehow Mckenzie survives Davion. But somehow Mckenzie survives Davion. But somehow Mckenzie survives this crash. She's the only one wearing this crash. She's the only one wearing this crash. She's the only one wearing her seat belt, which I know there are a her seat belt, which I know there are a her seat belt, which I know there are a lot of questions about, a lot of lot of questions about, a lot of lot of questions about, a lot of questions about. questions about. questions about. >> But I want to talk about >> But I want to talk about >> But I want to talk about did she intentionally ram that car into did she intentionally ram that car into did she intentionally ram that car into that building? Because according to all that building? Because according to all that building? Because according to all the data that was taken off the car, the data that was taken off the car, the data that was taken off the car, she's going 100 miles an hour, she's going 100 miles an hour, she's going 100 miles an hour, full on the gas pedal and never once full on the gas pedal and never once full on the gas pedal and never once tries to brake. There are no skid marks. tries to brake. There are no skid marks. tries to brake. There are no skid marks. >> Yeah. I did hear a screech in the video. >> Yeah. I did hear a screech in the video. >> Yeah. I did hear a screech in the video. That's why I asked you if it was like a That's why I asked you if it was like a That's why I asked you if it was like a real audio. real audio. real audio. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> But it could have been like I know there >> But it could have been like I know there >> But it could have been like I know there was some turning left or right at the was some turning left or right at the was some turning left or right at the last moment, maybe potentially someone last moment, maybe potentially someone last moment, maybe potentially someone grabbing the wheel or something. grabbing the wheel or something. grabbing the wheel or something. But But But yeah. yeah. yeah. Definitely flying, no use of the brakes Definitely flying, no use of the brakes Definitely flying, no use of the brakes according to the black box, whatever it according to the black box, whatever it according to the black box, whatever it was called. Insane crash. And going 100 was called. Insane crash. And going 100 was called. Insane crash. And going 100 miles an hour. miles an hour. miles an hour. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. >> Who goes 100 miles an hour? So, you >> Who goes 100 miles an hour? So, you >> Who goes 100 miles an hour? So, you know, I think know, I think know, I think when everyone first dealt with this when everyone first dealt with this when everyone first dealt with this tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, it was a horrific tragedy not too long it was a horrific tragedy not too long it was a horrific tragedy not too long after graduation. This is like the after graduation. This is like the after graduation. This is like the summer before so many people begin the summer before so many people begin the summer before so many people begin the next phase of their lives and to lose next phase of their lives and to lose next phase of their lives and to lose two wonderful young people and then have two wonderful young people and then have two wonderful young people and then have McKenzie, you know, behind the wheel McKenzie, you know, behind the wheel McKenzie, you know, behind the wheel brought out a lot of feelings here for brought out a lot of feelings here for brought out a lot of feelings here for everybody.

everybody. everybody. You know what I find bizarre? So, I You know what I find bizarre? So, I You know what I find bizarre? So, I covered this case for True Crime News in covered this case for True Crime News in covered this case for True Crime News in real time. real time. real time. And when we released our story, And when we released our story, And when we released our story, it was just like another crime story. I it was just like another crime story. I it was just like another crime story. I don't know how else to explain that. It don't know how else to explain that. It don't know how else to explain that. It didn't have the life or the legs that didn't have the life or the legs that didn't have the life or the legs that this does now. Netflix does the crash, this does now. Netflix does the crash, this does now. Netflix does the crash, this documentary about the case, this documentary about the case, this documentary about the case, and all of a sudden everyone's and all of a sudden everyone's and all of a sudden everyone's [clears throat] talking about it. Like [clears throat] talking about it. Like [clears throat] talking about it. Like that to me that to me that to me is mind-blowing. is mind-blowing. is mind-blowing. >> Yeah, I mean, watching it, we watched it >> Yeah, I mean, watching it, we watched it >> Yeah, I mean, watching it, we watched it the other day, the other day, the other day, was there anything in there that you was there anything in there that you was there anything in there that you feel like explains the feel like explains the feel like explains the sensationality of it? Like people going sensationality of it? Like people going sensationality of it? Like people going crazy. I don't think it was crazy. I don't think it was crazy. I don't think it was particularly, particularly, particularly, you know, you know, you know, eye-opening, right? Like the the details eye-opening, right? Like the the details eye-opening, right? Like the the details conveyed there is probably the same ones conveyed there is probably the same ones conveyed there is probably the same ones that you covered, but I do think like that you covered, but I do think like that you covered, but I do think like some of the video of her and some of the video of her and some of the video of her and >> Oh, totally. All the videos of her. Oh, >> Oh, totally. All the videos of her. Oh, >> Oh, totally. All the videos of her. Oh, come on, you know, she's smoking. She's come on, you know, she's smoking. She's come on, you know, she's smoking. She's smoking in the car and smoking in the car and smoking in the car and >> blunt you've ever seen in your life, by >> blunt you've ever seen in your life, by >> blunt you've ever seen in your life, by the way. Like the way. Like the way. Like >> Amazing. [snorts] Right, amazing she >> Amazing. [snorts] Right, amazing she >> Amazing. [snorts] Right, amazing she could even turn the wheel while smoking could even turn the wheel while smoking could even turn the wheel while smoking that.

that. that. And then all the videos of her crop tops And then all the videos of her crop tops And then all the videos of her crop tops and these glasses and the eyelashes that and these glasses and the eyelashes that and these glasses and the eyelashes that >> earrings? >> earrings? >> earrings? >> I love those little Chanel She has a >> I love those little Chanel She has a >> I love those little Chanel She has a bunch of those little Chanel earrings. bunch of those little Chanel earrings. bunch of those little Chanel earrings. I almost wore mine today. I almost wore mine today. I almost wore mine today. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Um >> Um >> Um Yeah, I think that was the big Yeah, I think that was the big Yeah, I think that was the big difference was difference was difference was for the first time in this documentary, for the first time in this documentary, for the first time in this documentary, we really saw the breadth we really saw the breadth we really saw the breadth of her videos and not just the ones that of her videos and not just the ones that of her videos and not just the ones that she posted on social media, but all the she posted on social media, but all the she posted on social media, but all the videos that were on her phone and other videos that were on her phone and other videos that were on her phone and other people's phones. So, you got a much people's phones. So, you got a much people's phones. So, you got a much bigger picture, but the question is what bigger picture, but the question is what bigger picture, but the question is what we see in social media and on her we see in social media and on her we see in social media and on her videos, is that an accurate picture? videos, is that an accurate picture? videos, is that an accurate picture? Like, I think it is. >> I would disagree. >> I would disagree. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> No, so I don't know. I know there was >> No, so I don't know. I know there was >> No, so I don't know. I know there was like even in court, right? They're like like even in court, right? They're like like even in court, right? They're like showing the different videos from her showing the different videos from her showing the different videos from her social media, whether it was like some social media, whether it was like some social media, whether it was like some of them were like leading up to the of them were like leading up to the of them were like leading up to the accident, like not even after the fact. accident, like not even after the fact. accident, like not even after the fact. Like it was it was to me bizarre because Like it was it was to me bizarre because Like it was it was to me bizarre because the sort of the sort of the sort of social media version of yourself is like social media version of yourself is like social media version of yourself is like a representation of yourself, but like a representation of yourself, but like a representation of yourself, but like especially with Tik Tok, like posting especially with Tik Tok, like posting especially with Tik Tok, like posting things on Tik Tok is like less about I'm things on Tik Tok is like less about I'm things on Tik Tok is like less about I'm trying to explain who I am. It's totally trying to explain who I am. It's totally trying to explain who I am. It's totally just clout. You're just like, I'm going just clout. You're just like, I'm going just clout. You're just like, I'm going to post something, maybe I'll get to post something, maybe I'll get to post something, maybe I'll get traction, maybe I'll get famous. I don't traction, maybe I'll get famous. I don't traction, maybe I'll get famous. I don't know. Like you're the fact that they know. Like you're the fact that they know. Like you're the fact that they would that the, you know, prosecution would that the, you know, prosecution would that the, you know, prosecution sort of alleged, maybe, that sort of alleged, maybe, that sort of alleged, maybe, that she's like kind of thinking about the she's like kind of thinking about the she's like kind of thinking about the lyrics of the videos that she's posting.

lyrics of the videos that she's posting. lyrics of the videos that she's posting. I'm like, no one's thinking about that. I'm like, no one's thinking about that. I'm like, no one's thinking about that. Like that one girl, I think her one of Like that one girl, I think her one of Like that one girl, I think her one of her best friends was like, I post like her best friends was like, I post like her best friends was like, I post like 20 videos a day or something crazy. 20 videos a day or something crazy. 20 videos a day or something crazy. >> Right, everyone uses that song. >> Right, everyone uses that song. >> Right, everyone uses that song. >> Yeah, exactly. Which I do actually have >> Yeah, exactly. Which I do actually have >> Yeah, exactly. Which I do actually have a fun fact about that. I didn't tell you a fun fact about that. I didn't tell you a fun fact about that. I didn't tell you when we watched it. when we watched it. when we watched it. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> I have an Instagram post from back in >> I have an Instagram post from back in >> I have an Instagram post from back in the day with the same Marina and the the day with the same Marina and the the day with the same Marina and the Diamonds song, I want to be your Diamonds song, I want to be your Diamonds song, I want to be your bubblegum [ __ ] bubblegum [ __ ] bubblegum [ __ ] That was the caption. That was the caption. That was the caption. So, I can't I can't help I can't I can't So, I can't I can't help I can't I can't So, I can't I can't help I can't I can't help it. I feel like I help it. I feel like I help it. I feel like I I get it, right? Like people were using I get it, right? Like people were using I get it, right? Like people were using that song because that song because that song because or the prosecution was using that song or the prosecution was using that song or the prosecution was using that song saying like, I'm the girl you'd die for saying like, I'm the girl you'd die for saying like, I'm the girl you'd die for or something. It's just like, oh my god, or something. It's just like, oh my god, or something. It's just like, oh my god, she's like sending this message. Like she's like sending this message. Like she's like sending this message. Like that is absolutely not what's happening. that is absolutely not what's happening. that is absolutely not what's happening. Like you're not thinking, you're just Like you're not thinking, you're just Like you're not thinking, you're just posting some song that you're like that posting some song that you're like that posting some song that you're like that you like that's kind of famous or you like that's kind of famous or you like that's kind of famous or something, but I don't know. I feel like something, but I don't know. I feel like something, but I don't know. I feel like often times it's easy to look at social often times it's easy to look at social often times it's easy to look at social media and think, media and think, media and think, you know, you know, you know, wow, you're so happy or you're so blasé. wow, you're so happy or you're so blasé. wow, you're so happy or you're so blasé. You don't even care. Like you haven't You don't even care. Like you haven't You don't even care. Like you haven't even like posted about like even like posted about like even like posted about like >> Provocative is what I would say.

>> Provocative is what I would say. >> Provocative is what I would say. >> Or provocative, right. >> Or provocative, right. >> Or provocative, right. >> really provocative. >> really provocative. >> really provocative. >> But I think, you know, >> But I think, you know, >> But I think, you know, the sort of way that teenagers interact the sort of way that teenagers interact the sort of way that teenagers interact with social media is so different. Like with social media is so different. Like with social media is so different. Like I feel like I feel like I feel like it's kind of like this place you go to it's kind of like this place you go to it's kind of like this place you go to hang out. It sounds weird, but it's like hang out. It sounds weird, but it's like hang out. It sounds weird, but it's like it's less of a like this is who I am and it's less of a like this is who I am and it's less of a like this is who I am and like you're just kind of like like you're just kind of like like you're just kind of like interacting with people, right? And interacting with people, right? And interacting with people, right? And posting I think is part of that. You're posting I think is part of that. You're posting I think is part of that. You're posting things because you kind of want posting things because you kind of want posting things because you kind of want people to comment and to talk and people to comment and to talk and people to comment and to talk and whatever like participate in like whatever like participate in like whatever like participate in like whatever the latest dance is or whatever the latest dance is or whatever the latest dance is or something. something. something. And I feel like, you know, even even in And I feel like, you know, even even in And I feel like, you know, even even in my life there have been times where I my life there have been times where I my life there have been times where I love to post on Instagram and I love to love to post on Instagram and I love to love to post on Instagram and I love to post something like silly and something post something like silly and something post something like silly and something that sometimes may be like that sometimes may be like that sometimes may be like wow, okay, interesting post. Like I'm wow, okay, interesting post. Like I'm wow, okay, interesting post. Like I'm >> Provocative. >> Provocative. >> Provocative. >> Provocative, maybe. Yeah, sure. >> Provocative, maybe. Yeah, sure. >> Provocative, maybe. Yeah, sure. Um Um Um but you know, there were times like even but you know, there were times like even but you know, there were times like even this winter, right? Where I'm like this winter, right? Where I'm like this winter, right? Where I'm like arguably having a horrible time in life, arguably having a horrible time in life, arguably having a horrible time in life, but I'm also kind of like well, I also but I'm also kind of like well, I also but I'm also kind of like well, I also would love to post a thirst trap at the would love to post a thirst trap at the would love to post a thirst trap at the same time. same time. same time. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And like there's something about it that >> And like there's something about it that >> And like there's something about it that it sounds stupid, but it's like it sounds stupid, but it's like it sounds stupid, but it's like you know, I think there is a part of us you know, I think there is a part of us you know, I think there is a part of us that getting that attention or whatever that getting that attention or whatever that getting that attention or whatever it is from those posts even if it's not it is from those posts even if it's not it is from those posts even if it's not like not posting from the place of being like not posting from the place of being like not posting from the place of being like like like everything's amazing. Sometimes you post everything's amazing. Sometimes you post everything's amazing. Sometimes you post almost in the hope that almost in the hope that almost in the hope that posting that somehow you'll have some posting that somehow you'll have some posting that somehow you'll have some interaction that's like fun and exciting interaction that's like fun and exciting interaction that's like fun and exciting and you kind of like forget everything and you kind of like forget everything and you kind of like forget everything else. You can be fully sad, like else. You can be fully sad, like else. You can be fully sad, like miserable, posting something that seems miserable, posting something that seems miserable, posting something that seems out of touch, but to me it's less of a out of touch, but to me it's less of a out of touch, but to me it's less of a like like like it's less of a representation of who you it's less of a representation of who you it's less of a representation of who you are and it's more like a communication are and it's more like a communication are and it's more like a communication and connection device. Not saying that and connection device. Not saying that and connection device. Not saying that she's posting this like so so perfectly,

she's posting this like so so perfectly, she's posting this like so so perfectly, like oh, here's my here's my nice little like oh, here's my here's my nice little like oh, here's my here's my nice little life. Like obviously she's like posting life. Like obviously she's like posting life. Like obviously she's like posting her doing like crazy bong rips or her doing like crazy bong rips or her doing like crazy bong rips or whatever. I guess that was actually on whatever. I guess that was actually on whatever. I guess that was actually on her phone not posted, but even her her phone not posted, but even her her phone not posted, but even her outfits whatever like standing on people outfits whatever like standing on people outfits whatever like standing on people with like her with like her with like her >> She's like, you know, a background girl, >> She's like, you know, a background girl, >> She's like, you know, a background girl, right? In in a rap video. Between the right? In in a rap video. Between the right? In in a rap video. Between the [clears throat] clothes. [clears throat] clothes. [clears throat] clothes. Right? Right? Right? The eyelashes, the The thing. She's got The eyelashes, the The thing. She's got The eyelashes, the The thing. She's got >> were crazy. >> were crazy. >> were crazy. >> The lashes, >> The lashes, >> The lashes, >> I know, so over the top. So, she's got >> I know, so over the top. So, she's got >> I know, so over the top. So, she's got this Instagram Tik Tok persona. Look, this Instagram Tik Tok persona. Look, this Instagram Tik Tok persona. Look, she made it clear. She said she wanted she made it clear. She said she wanted she made it clear. She said she wanted to be an influencer. Okay, other people to be an influencer. Okay, other people to be an influencer. Okay, other people graduate high school and maybe they go graduate high school and maybe they go graduate high school and maybe they go to college. Her goal was, you know, to to college. Her goal was, you know, to to college. Her goal was, you know, to do these collabs and see what she could do these collabs and see what she could do these collabs and see what she could do on Instagram. Okay, you know, she was do on Instagram. Okay, you know, she was do on Instagram. Okay, you know, she was getting there slowly, but I don't think getting there slowly, but I don't think getting there slowly, but I don't think I would call her a social media I would call her a social media I would call her a social media sensation. She wasn't anywhere near sensation. She wasn't anywhere near sensation. She wasn't anywhere near that. that. that. >> a high schooler and like this is like >> a high schooler and like this is like >> a high schooler and like this is like what they're doing all the time. Like what they're doing all the time. Like what they're doing all the time. Like this is like how she connected with like this is like how she connected with like this is like how she connected with like her best friend. Her best friend had all her best friend. Her best friend had all her best friend. Her best friend had all these followers, was already kind of these followers, was already kind of these followers, was already kind of like an influencer or whatever on Tik like an influencer or whatever on Tik like an influencer or whatever on Tik Tok. And then she was just like, "Oh, I Tok. And then she was just like, "Oh, I Tok. And then she was just like, "Oh, I started liking her videos." And that's started liking her videos." And that's started liking her videos." And that's kind of how we started talking. I kind of how we started talking. I kind of how we started talking. I started commenting on them. And like started commenting on them. And like started commenting on them. And like these are two people going to the same these are two people going to the same these are two people going to the same school in real life that like started school in real life that like started school in real life that like started this little this little this little connection on the internet. But I think connection on the internet. But I think connection on the internet. But I think that there's something that is like that there's something that is like that there's something that is like infuriating about it. And I also think infuriating about it. And I also think infuriating about it. And I also think there is an aspect to it of especially there is an aspect to it of especially there is an aspect to it of especially her being a woman, I mean kind of girl her being a woman, I mean kind of girl her being a woman, I mean kind of girl woman, I don't know, she's 17. She was woman, I don't know, she's 17. She was woman, I don't know, she's 17. She was tried as an adult, but I feel like tried as an adult, but I feel like tried as an adult, but I feel like especially being a woman online and like especially being a woman online and like especially being a woman online and like kind of posting in that way, it's so kind of posting in that way, it's so kind of posting in that way, it's so easy to be picked apart. And I just easy to be picked apart. And I just easy to be picked apart. And I just wonder if she was a boy, if she would

wonder if she was a boy, if she would wonder if she was a boy, if she would have the same have the same have the same sort of backlash. sort of backlash. sort of backlash. >> Well, if it were my child, yes. >> Well, if it were my child, yes. >> Well, if it were my child, yes. >> Speaking from experience? >> Speaking from experience? >> Speaking from experience? >> Speaking from experience. You know, her >> Speaking from experience. You know, her >> Speaking from experience. You know, her parents, McKenzie's parents said, "You parents, McKenzie's parents said, "You parents, McKenzie's parents said, "You We couldn't control her and we didn't We couldn't control her and we didn't We couldn't control her and we didn't know what she was doing on social know what she was doing on social know what she was doing on social media." media." media." And I just thought that was [ __ ] And I just thought that was [ __ ] And I just thought that was [ __ ] I'm sorry, because I'm sorry, because I'm sorry, because I guess I'm the other extreme. I've been I guess I'm the other extreme. I've been I guess I'm the other extreme. I've been tracking you since you were on social tracking you since you were on social tracking you since you were on social media. And I remember when you were, I media. And I remember when you were, I media. And I remember when you were, I don't know, 14 or 15 years old and you don't know, 14 or 15 years old and you don't know, 14 or 15 years old and you post this photo. I went ballistic. It post this photo. I went ballistic. It post this photo. I went ballistic. It was a picture of you was a picture of you was a picture of you literally naked all from the back down literally naked all from the back down literally naked all from the back down past your butt that you had taken in the past your butt that you had taken in the past your butt that you had taken in the bathroom mirror. bathroom mirror. bathroom mirror. >> From behind, yeah, it was my butt. >> From behind, yeah, it was my butt. >> From behind, yeah, it was my butt. >> From behind, yeah, but down way past >> From behind, yeah, but down way past >> From behind, yeah, but down way past your butt, okay? your butt, okay? your butt, okay? >> I see this and I flip out and I'm like >> I see this and I flip out and I'm like >> I see this and I flip out and I'm like >> So funny. >> So funny. >> So funny. >> And I'm like, this is inappropriate. >> And I'm like, this is inappropriate. >> And I'm like, this is inappropriate. You are a minor. You are a minor. You are a minor. You're going to be applying to college.

You're going to be applying to college. You're going to be applying to college. Is this Is this Is this is this Ivy League material? I I ask. is this Ivy League material? I I ask. is this Ivy League material? I I ask. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Okay, that's how I'm thinking and then >> Okay, that's how I'm thinking and then >> Okay, that's how I'm thinking and then I'm thinking even worse than that. I'm I'm thinking even worse than that. I'm I'm thinking even worse than that. I'm thinking not only are you minor, but as thinking not only are you minor, but as thinking not only are you minor, but as a crime reporter, all I can think of is a crime reporter, all I can think of is a crime reporter, all I can think of is every possible predator out there. And I every possible predator out there. And I every possible predator out there. And I and I lost it. And I talked to your dad and I lost it. And I talked to your dad and I lost it. And I talked to your dad about it and he talked to you about it about it and he talked to you about it about it and he talked to you about it and he got back to me. He said, "Oh, and he got back to me. He said, "Oh, and he got back to me. He said, "Oh, Lorenzo thinks it's funny." So, yeah. I Lorenzo thinks it's funny." So, yeah. I Lorenzo thinks it's funny." So, yeah. I I don't think it I don't think it I don't think it >> I don't [laughter] think it has to come >> I don't [laughter] think it has to come >> I don't [laughter] think it has to come down. And I was just I was so upset. So, down. And I was just I was so upset. So, down. And I was just I was so upset. So, here I am the parent here I am the parent here I am the parent >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> trying to monitor the social media to >> trying to monitor the social media to >> trying to monitor the social media to make sure it doesn't go completely make sure it doesn't go completely make sure it doesn't go completely >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> out there. And some may say that then I >> out there. And some may say that then I >> out there. And some may say that then I just drove you underground. just drove you underground. just drove you underground. >> Right. Yeah, you make the finsta. >> Right. Yeah, you make the finsta. >> Right. Yeah, you make the finsta. You [snorts and laughter] make the You [snorts and laughter] make the You [snorts and laughter] make the private account. Like obviously, like private account. Like obviously, like private account. Like obviously, like you're not going to see that. Like you're not going to see that. Like you're not going to see that. Like whatever. There's a whole other world. whatever. There's a whole other world. whatever. There's a whole other world. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] But I guess like But I guess like But I guess like >> Damn you, Lorenzo. >> Damn you, Lorenzo. >> Damn you, Lorenzo. >> But I guess by being underground, then >> But I guess by being underground, then >> But I guess by being underground, then it's still like, okay, it's not as it's still like, okay, it's not as it's still like, okay, it's not as public. So, maybe that's better. I don't public. So, maybe that's better. I don't public. So, maybe that's better. I don't know.

know. know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> But I mean, it only worked for so long. >> But I mean, it only worked for so long. >> But I mean, it only worked for so long. There was another There was another butt There was another There was another butt There was another There was another butt pic in college. pic in college. pic in college. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> The one of me in the library. >> The one of me in the library. >> The one of me in the library. >> Oh my god. [laughter] >> Oh my god. [laughter] >> Oh my god. [laughter] >> So, it only lasted so long. >> So, it only lasted so long. >> So, it only lasted so long. >> Oh my god, that's right. At Columbia. >> Oh my god, that's right. At Columbia. >> Oh my god, that's right. At Columbia. How did you not get kicked out? Oh my How did you not get kicked out? Oh my How did you not get kicked out? Oh my [snorts] god. [snorts] god. [snorts] god. >> But do you do you see what I'm saying? >> But do you do you see what I'm saying? >> But do you do you see what I'm saying? Like and I'm sure you were completely Like and I'm sure you were completely Like and I'm sure you were completely annoyed with me and hated me, right? annoyed with me and hated me, right? annoyed with me and hated me, right? For saying this. For saying this. For saying this. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Did I accomplish anything by >> Did I accomplish anything by >> Did I accomplish anything by >> it got taken down. I took it down. >> it got taken down. I took it down. >> it got taken down. I took it down. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Thank you. Well, thank you for looking >> Thank you. Well, thank you for looking >> Thank you. Well, thank you for looking out for me. out for me. out for me. >> But do you Can you see that now at your >> But do you Can you see that now at your >> But do you Can you see that now at your age as opposed to when you were 14 and age as opposed to when you were 14 and age as opposed to when you were 14 and 15 and posting naked photos? 15 and posting naked photos? 15 and posting naked photos? >> No, of course. Like I got it. >> No, of course. Like I got it. >> No, of course. Like I got it. Kind of. Kind of. Kind of. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So, let's get back to McKenzie and her >> So, let's get back to McKenzie and her >> So, let's get back to McKenzie and her parents. Okay. So, you think we parents. Okay. So, you think we parents. Okay. So, you think we shouldn't be completely judging McKenzie shouldn't be completely judging McKenzie shouldn't be completely judging McKenzie by her social media. by her social media. by her social media. >> I mean, it's something to consider, but >> I mean, it's something to consider, but >> I mean, it's something to consider, but I think that the way that we judge it I think that the way that we judge it I think that the way that we judge it tends to be a little bit tends to be a little bit tends to be a little bit like clutching the pearls. Like I again, like clutching the pearls. Like I again, like clutching the pearls. Like I again, I feel like I know this girl. There's I feel like I know this girl. There's I feel like I know this girl. There's for every McKenzie, there's like 20 more for every McKenzie, there's like 20 more for every McKenzie, there's like 20 more doing the exact same thing that aren't doing the exact same thing that aren't doing the exact same thing that aren't killing people in cars, but I feel like killing people in cars, but I feel like killing people in cars, but I feel like there's this sort of there's this sort of there's this sort of I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I feel for her in that a lot of things I feel for her in that a lot of things I feel for her in that a lot of things that she's doing being kind of risque that she's doing being kind of risque that she's doing being kind of risque online and just What was the word that online and just What was the word that online and just What was the word that you used? Provocative. you used? Provocative. you used? Provocative. >> You know, there's a lot of people out >> You know, there's a lot of people out >> You know, there's a lot of people out there that are young posing things like there that are young posing things like there that are young posing things like that that like at their core, I feel that that like at their core, I feel that that like at their core, I feel like they kind of get swept up into it. like they kind of get swept up into it. like they kind of get swept up into it. Like she met this guy. She was what? In Like she met this guy. She was what? In Like she met this guy. She was what? In freshman year, so that's like 14 years freshman year, so that's like 14 years freshman year, so that's like 14 years old. He's 3 years older than her, so old. He's 3 years older than her, so old. He's 3 years older than her, so presumably like 17. presumably like 17. presumably like 17. Crazy age difference. Eventually starts Crazy age difference. Eventually starts Crazy age difference. Eventually starts living with him after like a couple living with him after like a couple living with him after like a couple years. But like think about being a years. But like think about being a years. But like think about being a 13-year-old first year of of high school 13-year-old first year of of high school 13-year-old first year of of high school and you meet this guy, whatever. and you meet this guy, whatever. and you meet this guy, whatever. I don't know how much, right? She's been I don't know how much, right? She's been I don't know how much, right? She's been hanging around his friends and how much hanging around his friends and how much hanging around his friends and how much of like that of like that of like that >> Older culture, right? >> Older culture, right? >> Older culture, right? >> Right. Is getting put on to her. She's >> Right. Is getting put on to her. She's >> Right. Is getting put on to her. She's trying to seem cool. She's like here's trying to seem cool. She's like here's trying to seem cool. She's like here's me like smoking weed because that's cool me like smoking weed because that's cool me like smoking weed because that's cool because apparently smoking will never because apparently smoking will never because apparently smoking will never not be cool. But you know, same thing of not be cool. But you know, same thing of not be cool. But you know, same thing of just like here's me in my lashes. Like just like here's me in my lashes. Like just like here's me in my lashes. Like here's me in my Chanel earrings. Here's here's me in my Chanel earrings. Here's here's me in my Chanel earrings. Here's like all this nice stuff. Like like all this nice stuff. Like like all this nice stuff. Like I kind of feel for her of this girl who I kind of feel for her of this girl who I kind of feel for her of this girl who like like like I'm I'm not saying she's innocent, but I I'm I'm not saying she's innocent, but I I'm I'm not saying she's innocent, but I do think we're so harsh on her and it's do think we're so harsh on her and it's do think we're so harsh on her and it's like she's a 13-year-old who got swept like she's a 13-year-old who got swept like she's a 13-year-old who got swept up into that and I don't know to what up into that and I don't know to what up into that and I don't know to what degree if she had kind of just like had degree if she had kind of just like had degree if she had kind of just like had a little bit more time to like be a kid a little bit more time to like be a kid a little bit more time to like be a kid if she would have come out a little bit if she would have come out a little bit if she would have come out a little bit more normal.

more normal. more normal. >> But hold on, she had 5 years. She was 17 >> But hold on, she had 5 years. She was 17 >> But hold on, she had 5 years. She was 17 years old when she was driving that car years old when she was driving that car years old when she was driving that car and and and there is no way to explain other than there is no way to explain other than there is no way to explain other than she was purposely putting her foot on she was purposely putting her foot on she was purposely putting her foot on the gas to go 100, right? Totally. 100 the gas to go 100, right? Totally. 100 the gas to go 100, right? Totally. 100 miles an hour. Never tried to brake. miles an hour. Never tried to brake. miles an hour. Never tried to brake. Never tried to swerve out of the way. Never tried to swerve out of the way. Never tried to swerve out of the way. So there was only one intention, she was So there was only one intention, she was So there was only one intention, she was going to hit that wall. Now the question going to hit that wall. Now the question going to hit that wall. Now the question is is is >> knew it was coming? >> knew it was coming? >> knew it was coming? >> Here's my perspective on intent. If you >> Here's my perspective on intent. If you >> Here's my perspective on intent. If you pick up a gun and you pull the trigger pick up a gun and you pull the trigger pick up a gun and you pull the trigger at someone at someone at someone and you fire and they die and then you and you fire and they die and then you and you fire and they die and then you say, "But I wasn't trying to kill him." say, "But I wasn't trying to kill him." say, "But I wasn't trying to kill him." That's exactly what she's saying. That's exactly what she's saying. That's exactly what she's saying. The car is the gun. The gas pedal is the The car is the gun. The gas pedal is the The car is the gun. The gas pedal is the pushing or pulling of the trigger. pushing or pulling of the trigger. pushing or pulling of the trigger. What do you think is going to happen if What do you think is going to happen if What do you think is going to happen if you slam into a building at 100 miles an you slam into a building at 100 miles an you slam into a building at 100 miles an hour? What do you think is going to hour? What do you think is going to hour? What do you think is going to happen? happen? happen? >> I kind of don't think she knew she was >> I kind of don't think she knew she was >> I kind of don't think she knew she was going to slam into a building. going to slam into a building. going to slam into a building. Like why would she sacrifice herself in Like why would she sacrifice herself in Like why would she sacrifice herself in that process?

that process? that process? >> Okay, that part I agree with you. I >> Okay, that part I agree with you. I >> Okay, that part I agree with you. I believe that she is all about herself believe that she is all about herself believe that she is all about herself and she loves herself too much to put and she loves herself too much to put and she loves herself too much to put herself in danger. So I think there was herself in danger. So I think there was herself in danger. So I think there was something going on in her brain or something going on in her brain or something going on in her brain or actually not going on in her brain that actually not going on in her brain that actually not going on in her brain that she she she >> of that, too. >> of that, too. >> of that, too. >> Right? That she didn't calculate the the >> Right? That she didn't calculate the the >> Right? That she didn't calculate the the real real risk. She didn't want to kill herself, I don't She didn't want to kill herself, I don't think. think. think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I would agree with that. I would agree with that. I would agree with that. >> But there can only be one intention if >> But there can only be one intention if >> But there can only be one intention if you're going 100 miles an hour. You This you're going 100 miles an hour. You This you're going 100 miles an hour. You This is potentially is potentially is potentially >> I think it's like a consequence, for >> I think it's like a consequence, for >> I think it's like a consequence, for real. Intention to me feels like real. Intention to me feels like real. Intention to me feels like it sounds so dumb, but it sounds so dumb, but it sounds so dumb, but I just kind of feel like she made a I just kind of feel like she made a I just kind of feel like she made a decision that had a very real and decision that had a very real and decision that had a very real and extreme risk associated with it that extreme risk associated with it that extreme risk associated with it that happened. happened. happened. >> Reckless disregard for human life. >> Reckless disregard for human life. >> Reckless disregard for human life. >> But in terms of her intention to kill, >> But in terms of her intention to kill, >> But in terms of her intention to kill, I don't know about that. I just like I don't know about that. I just like I don't know about that. I just like I think I think I think one of the things I find interesting is one of the things I find interesting is one of the things I find interesting is like, so then why is Davion in the back?

like, so then why is Davion in the back? like, so then why is Davion in the back? Why is he roped into this? Like he's Why is he roped into this? Like he's Why is he roped into this? Like he's done absolutely nothing. And in fact, a done absolutely nothing. And in fact, a done absolutely nothing. And in fact, a lot of the like lot of the like lot of the like coverage I feel like is so coverage I feel like is so coverage I feel like is so like Davion's such a victim in it. Like like Davion's such a victim in it. Like like Davion's such a victim in it. Like nobody talks about him at all. It's all nobody talks about him at all. It's all nobody talks about him at all. It's all all about her. It's all about Kenzie and all about her. It's all about Kenzie and all about her. It's all about Kenzie and Dom and their relationship. Whatever. Dom and their relationship. Whatever. Dom and their relationship. Whatever. I'm like, and what about Davion? This I'm like, and what about Davion? This I'm like, and what about Davion? This like poor boy who just got in this car. like poor boy who just got in this car. like poor boy who just got in this car. Right? Like it's possible that there was Right? Like it's possible that there was Right? Like it's possible that there was some altercation in the car in terms of some altercation in the car in terms of some altercation in the car in terms of like, you know, I think the documentary like, you know, I think the documentary like, you know, I think the documentary reference. Okay, there was some reference. Okay, there was some reference. Okay, there was some potential steering left and right. There potential steering left and right. There potential steering left and right. There was also like drive neutral drive. Like was also like drive neutral drive. Like was also like drive neutral drive. Like maybe someone was grabbing at But they maybe someone was grabbing at But they maybe someone was grabbing at But they also weren't wearing seat belts, which also weren't wearing seat belts, which also weren't wearing seat belts, which >> And I don't understand. Like I would >> And I don't understand. Like I would >> And I don't understand. Like I would think they would have been wearing their think they would have been wearing their think they would have been wearing their seat belts. I think it's entirely seat belts. I think it's entirely seat belts. I think it's entirely possible they ripped their seat belts possible they ripped their seat belts possible they ripped their seat belts off when she started accelerating off when she started accelerating off when she started accelerating because she was probably playing chicken because she was probably playing chicken because she was probably playing chicken with them or I don't know what. She was with them or I don't know what. She was with them or I don't know what. She was out of control and they were trying to out of control and they were trying to out of control and they were trying to stop her stop her stop her because they knew because they knew because they knew in their guts that she wouldn't stop in their guts that she wouldn't stop in their guts that she wouldn't stop herself. And she didn't. herself. And she didn't. herself. And she didn't. >> Right. I feel like they knew that >> Right. I feel like they knew that >> Right. I feel like they knew that they're like they're like they're like for lack of a better word, she's lost for lack of a better word, she's lost for lack of a better word, she's lost it. Like she's scaring us. She it. Like she's scaring us. She it. Like she's scaring us. She >> She is scaring >> She is scaring >> She is scaring >> I wouldn't put it past her to like pull >> I wouldn't put it past her to like pull >> I wouldn't put it past her to like pull some stunt like this.

some stunt like this. some stunt like this. But there's still a part of me that just But there's still a part of me that just But there's still a part of me that just thinks like, I know that there's been, thinks like, I know that there's been, thinks like, I know that there's been, you know, posts out there being like, you know, posts out there being like, you know, posts out there being like, she's drove the same path and she was she's drove the same path and she was she's drove the same path and she was practicing or something. I think that's practicing or something. I think that's practicing or something. I think that's giving her too much credit. Like I feel giving her too much credit. Like I feel giving her too much credit. Like I feel like she could be like, I don't know like she could be like, I don't know like she could be like, I don't know where I am or whatever. Like didn't where I am or whatever. Like didn't where I am or whatever. Like didn't like, [laughter] oh, the building came like, [laughter] oh, the building came like, [laughter] oh, the building came up so fast cuz then I'm going 90 miles up so fast cuz then I'm going 90 miles up so fast cuz then I'm going 90 miles an hour. Like an hour. Like an hour. Like I don't know. I It was also very weird I don't know. I It was also very weird I don't know. I It was also very weird to see the clip of her driving right to see the clip of her driving right to see the clip of her driving right before that where she like turns onto before that where she like turns onto before that where she like turns onto the road with her turn signal at like the road with her turn signal at like the road with her turn signal at like 6:00 in the morning or whatever. There's 6:00 in the morning or whatever. There's 6:00 in the morning or whatever. There's no one else in there. Who uses my turn no one else in there. Who uses my turn no one else in there. Who uses my turn signal at that? I'm like, "What are you signal at that? I'm like, "What are you signal at that? I'm like, "What are you talking about?" Like and then she goes talking about?" Like and then she goes talking about?" Like and then she goes 90. Very weird. 90. Very weird. 90. Very weird. >> Exactly. So, we still don't know and we >> Exactly. So, we still don't know and we >> Exactly. So, we still don't know and we will never know what really happened in will never know what really happened in will never know what really happened in that car because that just doesn't make that car because that just doesn't make that car because that just doesn't make any sense. She didn't look like she was any sense. She didn't look like she was any sense. She didn't look like she was driving impaired and according to the driving impaired and according to the driving impaired and according to the prosecutors, she really wasn't impaired. prosecutors, she really wasn't impaired. prosecutors, she really wasn't impaired. So, there wasn't that as an explanation. So, there wasn't that as an explanation. So, there wasn't that as an explanation. I'm not going to say excuse, maybe I'm not going to say excuse, maybe I'm not going to say excuse, maybe context. So, then the next context. So, then the next context. So, then the next >> love that the dad was like, "But she >> love that the dad was like, "But she >> love that the dad was like, "But she smokes weed all the time, so it's kind smokes weed all the time, so it's kind smokes weed all the time, so it's kind of like she wasn't high." of like she wasn't high." of like she wasn't high." I'm like, "Yeah, that's just her now. I'm like, "Yeah, that's just her now. I'm like, "Yeah, that's just her now. Her brain is permanently kind of high." Her brain is permanently kind of high." Her brain is permanently kind of high." >> I I don't know what to say about that >> I I don't know what to say about that >> I I don't know what to say about that dad and that mom. The Sherrells, they dad and that mom. The Sherrells, they dad and that mom. The Sherrells, they just need to shut up. They need to shut just need to shut up. They need to shut just need to shut up. They need to shut up. They're actually making things up. They're actually making things up. They're actually making things >> the mom regretted giving that phone >> the mom regretted giving that phone >> the mom regretted giving that phone passwords so bad.

passwords so bad. passwords so bad. >> They would have gotten it anyway. That >> They would have gotten it anyway. That >> They would have gotten it anyway. That was the least of her problems. That was was the least of her problems. That was was the least of her problems. That was the least of the mom's problems. the least of the mom's problems. the least of the mom's problems. Honestly, they're making things worse Honestly, they're making things worse Honestly, they're making things worse for McKenzie. They really are. They just for McKenzie. They really are. They just for McKenzie. They really are. They just need to shut up. They need to shut up need to shut up. They need to shut up need to shut up. They need to shut up cuz every time they say something, they cuz every time they say something, they cuz every time they say something, they dig themselves deeper into a hole. dig themselves deeper into a hole. dig themselves deeper into a hole. >> calls to prison, like girl, that's being >> calls to prison, like girl, that's being >> calls to prison, like girl, that's being recorded. recorded. recorded. >> The phone calls between McKenzie and her >> The phone calls between McKenzie and her >> The phone calls between McKenzie and her mother mother mother that are recorded in the prison are that are recorded in the prison are that are recorded in the prison are unbelievable. When she says to her unbelievable. When she says to her unbelievable. When she says to her mother, "I'm the prettiest girl in mother, "I'm the prettiest girl in mother, "I'm the prettiest girl in prison." prison." prison." Are you [ __ ] Are you [ __ ] Are you [ __ ] >> The top button with the top button. >> The top button with the top button. >> The top button with the top button. >> With the top button. >> With the top button. >> With the top button. I'm the prettiest girl in prison. This I'm the prettiest girl in prison. This I'm the prettiest girl in prison. This is what she tells her mother. And then is what she tells her mother. And then is what she tells her mother. And then how excited she gets when her mother how excited she gets when her mother how excited she gets when her mother tells her, tells her, tells her, "You're big news. You're on the Today "You're big news. You're on the Today "You're big news. You're on the Today Show." Show." Show." >> so I was thinking about this. So, I >> so I was thinking about this. So, I >> so I was thinking about this. So, I looked up that like whatever that call looked up that like whatever that call looked up that like whatever that call was. was. was. And I think it's after the documentary And I think it's after the documentary And I think it's after the documentary has been released and I think in their has been released and I think in their has been released and I think in their minds, they're like the documentary is minds, they're like the documentary is minds, they're like the documentary is giving us fuel to like fight this appeal giving us fuel to like fight this appeal giving us fuel to like fight this appeal and there's like a whole group of people and there's like a whole group of people and there's like a whole group of people that are now getting excited like free that are now getting excited like free that are now getting excited like free Mackenzie whatever and I genuinely think Mackenzie whatever and I genuinely think Mackenzie whatever and I genuinely think that they believe that that will like that they believe that that will like that they believe that that will like lead to her freedom like I think they're lead to her freedom like I think they're lead to her freedom like I think they're kind of delusional and I think that kind of delusional and I think that kind of delusional and I think that they're like wow like you got to say they're like wow like you got to say they're like wow like you got to say your piece and finally people are your piece and finally people are your piece and finally people are getting it which isn't untrue like there getting it which isn't untrue like there getting it which isn't untrue like there is now this movement starting whatever is now this movement starting whatever is now this movement starting whatever the Facebook page but the Facebook page but the Facebook page but >> But there are always movements right >> But there are always movements right >> But there are always movements right there was the movement for Britney there was the movement for Britney there was the movement for Britney Spears to get her out of the Spears to get her out of the Spears to get her out of the conservatorship and that one really

conservatorship and that one really conservatorship and that one really worked then there was the movement to worked then there was the movement to worked then there was the movement to free the Menendez brothers after a free the Menendez brothers after a free the Menendez brothers after a Netflix documentary that didn't work So Netflix documentary that didn't work So Netflix documentary that didn't work So there's always these movements I find there's always these movements I find there's always these movements I find them interesting cuz I do believe that them interesting cuz I do believe that them interesting cuz I do believe that there is a power of having a mass voice there is a power of having a mass voice there is a power of having a mass voice I really do you're part of the I really do you're part of the I really do you're part of the conversation you're inserting yourself conversation you're inserting yourself conversation you're inserting yourself into it and you are driving something into it and you are driving something into it and you are driving something okay let's talk about this case let's okay let's talk about this case let's okay let's talk about this case let's talk about was justice really served in talk about was justice really served in talk about was justice really served in an even manner here was justice served an even manner here was justice served an even manner here was justice served I'm I'm all about having that I'm I'm all about having that I'm I'm all about having that conversation and I'm all about everybody conversation and I'm all about everybody conversation and I'm all about everybody jumping in to the conversation on social jumping in to the conversation on social jumping in to the conversation on social media and starting a movement whether media and starting a movement whether media and starting a movement whether it's going to work in this case it's going to work in this case it's going to work in this case I don't know I don't know I don't know >> I don't think it will either but I think >> I don't think it will either but I think >> I don't think it will either but I think that's why they're excited like I don't that's why they're excited like I don't that's why they're excited like I don't know I I think it's just hard for me to know I I think it's just hard for me to know I I think it's just hard for me to imagine genuinely being excited that imagine genuinely being excited that imagine genuinely being excited that I don't know like it's just like your I don't know like it's just like your I don't know like it's just like your fame or something like fame or something like fame or something like >> Oh I think people are absolutely >> Oh I think people are absolutely >> Oh I think people are absolutely obsessed with teen killers I mean they obsessed with teen killers I mean they obsessed with teen killers I mean they are fascinating and then when you have are fascinating and then when you have are fascinating and then when you have >> people are obsessed with teenagers in >> people are obsessed with teenagers in >> people are obsessed with teenagers in general general general >> Agreed especially one as you know pretty >> Agreed especially one as you know pretty >> Agreed especially one as you know pretty and provocative I mean she's fascinating and provocative I mean she's fascinating and provocative I mean she's fascinating to watch she really is to watch she really is to watch she really is She's fascinating to watch she's She's fascinating to watch she's She's fascinating to watch she's entertaining without question entertaining without question entertaining without question and then you add the whole and then you add the whole and then you add the whole I'm I'm oblivious I don't remember what I'm I'm oblivious I don't remember what I'm I'm oblivious I don't remember what happened Oh, two people are dead.

happened Oh, two people are dead. happened Oh, two people are dead. >> I bet she totally remembers something. >> I bet she totally remembers something. >> I bet she totally remembers something. >> Of course she remembers. >> Of course she remembers. >> Of course she remembers. Oh my god, and then what is this Oh my god, and then what is this Oh my god, and then what is this language that she's talking to her language that she's talking to her language that she's talking to her mother? mother? mother? >> What is it called? >> What is it called? >> What is it called? >> What is it? It's like um Carnie or Pig >> What is it? It's like um Carnie or Pig >> What is it? It's like um Carnie or Pig Latin. I don't but the way she does that Latin. I don't but the way she does that Latin. I don't but the way she does that >> I have no clue they've been practicing. >> I have no clue they've been practicing. >> I have no clue they've been practicing. But I love that he the dad was like, But I love that he the dad was like, But I love that he the dad was like, "Oh, it's like, you know, your mother's "Oh, it's like, you know, your mother's "Oh, it's like, you know, your mother's language." Like she's been doing this. language." Like she's been doing this. language." Like she's been doing this. Like it's sort of like a thing I guess Like it's sort of like a thing I guess Like it's sort of like a thing I guess like she grew up with. But I It is like she grew up with. But I It is like she grew up with. But I It is honestly honestly honestly I do think that part is kind of badass. I do think that part is kind of badass. I do think that part is kind of badass. Like, "Okay, wait, secret language in an Like, "Okay, wait, secret language in an Like, "Okay, wait, secret language in an emergency." emergency." emergency." Like [laughter] that's kind of fun. But Like [laughter] that's kind of fun. But Like [laughter] that's kind of fun. But it is also really cool to live in the it is also really cool to live in the it is also really cool to live in the age of like social media where like age of like social media where like age of like social media where like people now post videos of it slowed people now post videos of it slowed people now post videos of it slowed down. Like, "Let me break it down. Let down. Like, "Let me break it down. Let down. Like, "Let me break it down. Let me translate it." Like I don't know if me translate it." Like I don't know if me translate it." Like I don't know if we would have had that at least not so we would have had that at least not so we would have had that at least not so quickly and so easily. quickly and so easily. quickly and so easily. It's kind of it it just adds to the sort It's kind of it it just adds to the sort It's kind of it it just adds to the sort of like everything playing out online. of like everything playing out online. of like everything playing out online. You're just like more invested in it. You're just like more invested in it. You're just like more invested in it. You're like, "Oh my god, what's the You're like, "Oh my god, what's the You're like, "Oh my god, what's the latest phone call saying?" latest phone call saying?" latest phone call saying?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So do you think this was justice? So do you think this was justice? So do you think this was justice? >> Ooh.

>> Ooh. >> Ooh. I mean, I don't know. I I feel like I mean, I don't know. I I feel like I mean, I don't know. I I feel like I feel like I rarely feel that there is I feel like I rarely feel that there is I feel like I rarely feel that there is appropriate justice when someone dies. appropriate justice when someone dies. appropriate justice when someone dies. So I'm kind of like like no. So I'm kind of like like no. So I'm kind of like like no. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] But in terms of like But in terms of like But in terms of like her her her treatment, I don't know. treatment, I don't know. treatment, I don't know. >> She definitely has got to go to prison. >> She definitely has got to go to prison. >> She definitely has got to go to prison. And there have to be consequences for And there have to be consequences for And there have to be consequences for her actions. I think what people are her actions. I think what people are her actions. I think what people are debating is this question of intent. Did debating is this question of intent. Did debating is this question of intent. Did she truly mean to kill them? And I'm she truly mean to kill them? And I'm she truly mean to kill them? And I'm sorry, but you'd have to be an idiot to sorry, but you'd have to be an idiot to sorry, but you'd have to be an idiot to know that going 100 miles an hour into a know that going 100 miles an hour into a know that going 100 miles an hour into a building is going to lead to to serious building is going to lead to to serious building is going to lead to to serious injury and death. And so injury and death. And so injury and death. And so >> Yes, she's an idiot. >> Yes, she's an idiot. >> Yes, she's an idiot. >> She's an idiot. >> She's an idiot. >> She's an idiot. >> And so therefore, maybe not intentional. >> And so therefore, maybe not intentional. >> And so therefore, maybe not intentional. >> So that's the debate, and I'm on the >> So that's the debate, and I'm on the >> So that's the debate, and I'm on the side of side of side of it was intentional. It had to be because it was intentional. It had to be because it was intentional. It had to be because there could be no other outcome. there could be no other outcome. there could be no other outcome. >> But you changed your mind. Last night >> But you changed your mind. Last night >> But you changed your mind. Last night you were kind of like you were kind of like you were kind of like >> I did. I did change my mind a little >> I did. I did change my mind a little >> I did. I did change my mind a little bit. bit. bit. >> I started thinking of the gun analogy >> I started thinking of the gun analogy >> I started thinking of the gun analogy and how many times I've covered crime and how many times I've covered crime and how many times I've covered crime cases where someone has pulled out a cases where someone has pulled out a cases where someone has pulled out a gun, shot the person, and then said to gun, shot the person, and then said to gun, shot the person, and then said to the jury, "Oh, but I didn't mean to kill the jury, "Oh, but I didn't mean to kill the jury, "Oh, but I didn't mean to kill him." Well, what did you think was going him." Well, what did you think was going him." Well, what did you think was going to happen?

to happen? to happen? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right? So, I've heard that story so many >> Right? So, I've heard that story so many >> Right? So, I've heard that story so many times. I've I just couldn't equate it times. I've I just couldn't equate it times. I've I just couldn't equate it with a car. I couldn't equate it with a with a car. I couldn't equate it with a with a car. I couldn't equate it with a car because she was driving, which meant car because she was driving, which meant car because she was driving, which meant that she put herself at risk. But she's that she put herself at risk. But she's that she put herself at risk. But she's so ridiculous. She doesn't even care. so ridiculous. She doesn't even care. so ridiculous. She doesn't even care. She didn't want to hurt herself, but she She didn't want to hurt herself, but she She didn't want to hurt herself, but she just just just She wasn't thinking straight. She wasn't thinking straight. She wasn't thinking straight. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But she has to be in prison and she has >> But she has to be in prison and she has >> But she has to be in prison and she has to serve time. And for the parents of to serve time. And for the parents of to serve time. And for the parents of the two young men who lost their lives, the two young men who lost their lives, the two young men who lost their lives, you know, she is sitting in prison. you know, she is sitting in prison. you know, she is sitting in prison. Is it justice? I don't know. I don't Is it justice? I don't know. I don't Is it justice? I don't know. I don't think 15 years is that long. She got 15 think 15 years is that long. She got 15 think 15 years is that long. She got 15 years to life for each murder, for each years to life for each murder, for each years to life for each murder, for each victim. victim. victim. They run concurrently, which means They run concurrently, which means They run concurrently, which means >> 15 years to life. >> 15 years to life. >> 15 years to life. >> 15 years to life. It wouldn't be >> 15 years to life. It wouldn't be >> 15 years to life. It wouldn't be back-to-back 30. So, she's going to be back-to-back 30. So, she's going to be back-to-back 30. So, she's going to be eligible for parole. Now, everybody's eligible for parole. Now, everybody's eligible for parole. Now, everybody's making this big deal about how she's making this big deal about how she's making this big deal about how she's misbehaving in prison and she's being misbehaving in prison and she's being misbehaving in prison and she's being written up all the time, so she's never written up all the time, so she's never written up all the time, so she's never going to make parole.

going to make parole. going to make parole. You know what? She needs time to adjust You know what? She needs time to adjust You know what? She needs time to adjust to prison. I think people do not under- to prison. I think people do not under- to prison. I think people do not under- >> It's going to spit her out. >> It's going to spit her out. >> It's going to spit her out. >> They People don't understand how prisons >> They People don't understand how prisons >> They People don't understand how prisons work. They are work. They are work. They are Prison is its own ecosystem and Prison is its own ecosystem and Prison is its own ecosystem and community. And in prison, community. And in prison, community. And in prison, you need currency. you need currency. you need currency. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Fame and celebrity is massive currency >> Fame and celebrity is massive currency >> Fame and celebrity is massive currency in the prison system. Just think of in the prison system. Just think of in the prison system. Just think of Shawn Combs. Everybody wants to talk to Shawn Combs. Everybody wants to talk to Shawn Combs. Everybody wants to talk to him. Everybody wants to help him out. him. Everybody wants to help him out. him. Everybody wants to help him out. Same thing. Everyone wants to be with Same thing. Everyone wants to be with Same thing. Everyone wants to be with the prettiest girl in prison who's so the prettiest girl in prison who's so the prettiest girl in prison who's so famous. I mean, now that all these women famous. I mean, now that all these women famous. I mean, now that all these women are getting out of prison who served are getting out of prison who served are getting out of prison who served with her and telling all these stories with her and telling all these stories with her and telling all these stories on social media and to TMZ and I made on social media and to TMZ and I made on social media and to TMZ and I made out with her and you know, I helped her out with her and you know, I helped her out with her and you know, I helped her steal the pencils or the eyelashes or or steal the pencils or the eyelashes or or steal the pencils or the eyelashes or or whatever the hell she's doing. whatever the hell she's doing. whatever the hell she's doing. >> So funny. >> So funny. >> So funny. >> But her infractions are so her. >> But her infractions are so her. >> But her infractions are so her. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> She's in trouble because she tries to >> She's in trouble because she tries to >> She's in trouble because she tries to make her outfit her prison uniform cute make her outfit her prison uniform cute make her outfit her prison uniform cute and form-fitting. Duh, did you see her and form-fitting. Duh, did you see her and form-fitting. Duh, did you see her videos?

videos? videos? >> That's so funny. >> That's so funny. >> That's so funny. >> She has eyelashes >> She has eyelashes >> She has eyelashes >> a tutorial. >> a tutorial. >> a tutorial. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> She She gets into so much trouble. She >> She She gets into so much trouble. She >> She She gets into so much trouble. She has the the paints or whatever, all this has the the paints or whatever, all this has the the paints or whatever, all this stuff, the beads. She wants to you know, stuff, the beads. She wants to you know, stuff, the beads. She wants to you know, I'm surprised she doesn't have a a I'm surprised she doesn't have a a I'm surprised she doesn't have a a bedazzler behind prison walls. But you bedazzler behind prison walls. But you bedazzler behind prison walls. But you know, that's just it. People will trade know, that's just it. People will trade know, that's just it. People will trade with her, people will give her things with her, people will give her things with her, people will give her things because people want to get next to her because people want to get next to her because people want to get next to her because then they can tell their story because then they can tell their story because then they can tell their story about McKenzie Shirilla and they can about McKenzie Shirilla and they can about McKenzie Shirilla and they can profit from it. profit from it. profit from it. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> It's so interesting. Like even like the >> It's so interesting. Like even like the >> It's so interesting. Like even like the people in the documentary where it's people in the documentary where it's people in the documentary where it's like like like like what did that prosecutor say? Like like what did that prosecutor say? Like like what did that prosecutor say? Like I could not get her to talk to me at I could not get her to talk to me at I could not get her to talk to me at all. Her best friend. I could not get all. Her best friend. I could not get all. Her best friend. I could not get I'd love to hear what she has to say. I I'd love to hear what she has to say. I I'd love to hear what she has to say. I tried forever. tried forever. tried forever. And I'm like, you know, the fact that And I'm like, you know, the fact that And I'm like, you know, the fact that it's on TV maybe sweetens the deal. it's on TV maybe sweetens the deal. it's on TV maybe sweetens the deal. >> Maybe. Maybe. You know, >> Maybe. Maybe. You know, >> Maybe. Maybe. You know, there is I have found in my line of work there is I have found in my line of work there is I have found in my line of work always that people are more open to always that people are more open to always that people are more open to talking let's say to a podcaster or a talking let's say to a podcaster or a talking let's say to a podcaster or a reporter than they are to police and reporter than they are to police and reporter than they are to police and that's why that's why that's why that's why you've seen so many podcasts that's why you've seen so many podcasts that's why you've seen so many podcasts make a difference in crime cases where make a difference in crime cases where make a difference in crime cases where people come out and share things that people come out and share things that people come out and share things that either they didn't think were either they didn't think were either they didn't think were significant or didn't feel comfortable significant or didn't feel comfortable significant or didn't feel comfortable sharing with police or maybe police sharing with police or maybe police sharing with police or maybe police didn't even take them seriously.

didn't even take them seriously. didn't even take them seriously. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And then you tell that story on a >> And then you tell that story on a >> And then you tell that story on a podcast or you know, you put it on podcast or you know, you put it on podcast or you know, you put it on TikTok and all of a sudden police have TikTok and all of a sudden police have TikTok and all of a sudden police have no choice. They cannot look away. no choice. They cannot look away. no choice. They cannot look away. And this takes the investigation into a And this takes the investigation into a And this takes the investigation into a whole new area. Do you think it's whole new area. Do you think it's whole new area. Do you think it's possible that something will be found possible that something will be found possible that something will be found dug up that could change this case and dug up that could change this case and dug up that could change this case and maybe answer the question about intent? maybe answer the question about intent? maybe answer the question about intent? >> I don't know. I think it's tough. I >> I don't know. I think it's tough. I >> I don't know. I think it's tough. I think you know, the people that probably think you know, the people that probably think you know, the people that probably have the answers are the people that are have the answers are the people that are have the answers are the people that are closer to them. Like I found it really closer to them. Like I found it really closer to them. Like I found it really interesting to see like Dom's phone and interesting to see like Dom's phone and interesting to see like Dom's phone and to see like the videos of her trying to to see like the videos of her trying to to see like the videos of her trying to break into his house, right? Like break into his house, right? Like break into his house, right? Like suddenly you're like, "Okay, like she's, suddenly you're like, "Okay, like she's, suddenly you're like, "Okay, like she's, you know, not a chill girl. Like she's you know, not a chill girl. Like she's you know, not a chill girl. Like she's showing up trying to break into your showing up trying to break into your showing up trying to break into your house, right?" Um So I think stuff like house, right?" Um So I think stuff like house, right?" Um So I think stuff like that might be interesting and help to that might be interesting and help to that might be interesting and help to kind of paint the picture, but again, I kind of paint the picture, but again, I kind of paint the picture, but again, I just don't really think we're going to just don't really think we're going to just don't really think we're going to understand. I think the thing that understand. I think the thing that understand. I think the thing that matters is like what happened in that matters is like what happened in that matters is like what happened in that car and I don't think we're ever going car and I don't think we're ever going car and I don't think we're ever going to know. We can try to get more context to know. We can try to get more context to know. We can try to get more context from everything else, but I don't know from everything else, but I don't know from everything else, but I don't know if it'll answer it. I did think it was if it'll answer it. I did think it was if it'll answer it. I did think it was interesting when you know, some of Dom's interesting when you know, some of Dom's interesting when you know, some of Dom's friends went to the police with the friends went to the police with the friends went to the police with the Life360 app. I was like, "Okay, so the Life360 app. I was like, "Okay, so the Life360 app. I was like, "Okay, so the fact that you have a Life360 on your fact that you have a Life360 on your fact that you have a Life360 on your friend's phone, like he's up to no good.

friend's phone, like he's up to no good. friend's phone, like he's up to no good. Sorry." Like Sorry." Like Sorry." Like >> No, I don't think so at all. Come on, >> No, I don't think so at all. Come on, >> No, I don't think so at all. Come on, what is that app that you use with your what is that app that you use with your what is that app that you use with your friends and friends and friends and >> Find your friend Find my friends. >> Find your friend Find my friends. >> Find your friend Find my friends. >> Yeah, that's like point in time. Life360 >> Yeah, that's like point in time. Life360 >> Yeah, that's like point in time. Life360 is like giving you the is like giving you the is like giving you the you know, tracking every minute or you know, tracking every minute or you know, tracking every minute or whatever it was. Like it was like whatever it was. Like it was like whatever it was. Like it was like >> to use that for you. >> to use that for you. >> to use that for you. >> Yeah, like unpack when I get home. Like >> Yeah, like unpack when I get home. Like >> Yeah, like unpack when I get home. Like what's this thing in my bag? what's this thing in my bag? what's this thing in my bag? You put a little air tag. You put a little air tag. You put a little air tag. Yeah, no. So I don't know. I think I Yeah, no. So I don't know. I think I Yeah, no. So I don't know. I think I think a lot of the friends and stuff think a lot of the friends and stuff think a lot of the friends and stuff will have more context. I unfortunately will have more context. I unfortunately will have more context. I unfortunately think that the sleuth thing in this think that the sleuth thing in this think that the sleuth thing in this particular regard is like particular regard is like particular regard is like I think it might be helpful if there was I think it might be helpful if there was I think it might be helpful if there was something premeditated, but in this case something premeditated, but in this case something premeditated, but in this case I just don't really believe that that's I just don't really believe that that's I just don't really believe that that's that's the case. So I think this is one that's the case. So I think this is one that's the case. So I think this is one of the sad, you know, examples where of the sad, you know, examples where of the sad, you know, examples where sometimes sleuthing just kind of sometimes sleuthing just kind of sometimes sleuthing just kind of adds to the noise of the case and can adds to the noise of the case and can adds to the noise of the case and can sometimes like hinder the, you know, sometimes like hinder the, you know, sometimes like hinder the, you know, investigation and just create investigation and just create investigation and just create so much so much so much attention and outcry and things that attention and outcry and things that attention and outcry and things that just like add to the volume. But I think just like add to the volume. But I think just like add to the volume. But I think there's other cases where the sleuth there's other cases where the sleuth there's other cases where the sleuth thing's really helpful, so I don't know.

thing's really helpful, so I don't know. thing's really helpful, so I don't know. I guess time will tell. I guess time will tell. I guess time will tell. >> Mhm. Okay. >> Mhm. Okay. >> Mhm. Okay. So there's this moment in the So there's this moment in the So there's this moment in the documentary. It's when Mackenzie gets documentary. It's when Mackenzie gets documentary. It's when Mackenzie gets arrested and the cops are, you know, arrested and the cops are, you know, arrested and the cops are, you know, working the handcuffs and she gets working the handcuffs and she gets working the handcuffs and she gets really upset and says, "Don't break my really upset and says, "Don't break my really upset and says, "Don't break my bracelets." And I'm thinking, "You are bracelets." And I'm thinking, "You are bracelets." And I'm thinking, "You are being arrested and charged with double being arrested and charged with double being arrested and charged with double murder and you're worried about your murder and you're worried about your murder and you're worried about your freaking bracelets?" freaking bracelets?" freaking bracelets?" >> I see it and I'm like like I can see >> I see it and I'm like like I can see >> I see it and I'm like like I can see it's like the little like it's like the little like it's like the little like the little like [clears throat] candy the little like [clears throat] candy the little like [clears throat] candy bracelets and it's like that's totally bracelets and it's like that's totally bracelets and it's like that's totally something that he made for her and that something that he made for her and that something that he made for her and that she's still sad about. Like she's like I she's still sad about. Like she's like I she's still sad about. Like she's like I mean, that video was so bad of like the mean, that video was so bad of like the mean, that video was so bad of like the pendulum over the grave pendulum over the grave pendulum over the grave >> Oh god, I can't. >> Oh god, I can't. >> Oh god, I can't. >> There's no way that was real. >> There's no way that was real. >> There's no way that was real. But, you know, I think her emotional But, you know, I think her emotional But, you know, I think her emotional reaction is like at the end of the day reaction is like at the end of the day reaction is like at the end of the day like like like I really do believe that she got caught I really do believe that she got caught I really do believe that she got caught up in some toxic relationship. up in some toxic relationship. up in some toxic relationship. Unfortunately, is so young. She's never Unfortunately, is so young. She's never Unfortunately, is so young. She's never known a non-toxic relationship.

known a non-toxic relationship. known a non-toxic relationship. >> Well, I think she was toxic. >> Well, I think she was toxic. >> Well, I think she was toxic. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, yeah. Yeah, but it always takes two to tango. Yeah, but it always takes two to tango. Yeah, but it always takes two to tango. >> Yes, I know. >> Yes, I know. >> Yes, I know. >> Um but >> Um but >> Um but I think the pain in that is still real. I think the pain in that is still real. I think the pain in that is still real. Like even when things are toxic and even Like even when things are toxic and even Like even when things are toxic and even when when when you know, you're being you know, you're being you know, you're being violent, whatever. I think if you were violent, whatever. I think if you were violent, whatever. I think if you were truly neutral about this person, like truly neutral about this person, like truly neutral about this person, like you wouldn't have that reaction. Like I you wouldn't have that reaction. Like I you wouldn't have that reaction. Like I think it comes from a place of like think it comes from a place of like think it comes from a place of like still loving them weirdly, but it still loving them weirdly, but it still loving them weirdly, but it obviously gets horrible obviously gets horrible obviously gets horrible in a way that you know, that pain can in a way that you know, that pain can in a way that you know, that pain can drive her to do absolutely horrible drive her to do absolutely horrible drive her to do absolutely horrible things, but I think it's also still things, but I think it's also still things, but I think it's also still real. Like I still have like sympathy real. Like I still have like sympathy real. Like I still have like sympathy for her in that that, you know, for her in that that, you know, for her in that that, you know, she's it's kind of a weirdly she's it's kind of a weirdly she's it's kind of a weirdly poignant confusing moment of like she's poignant confusing moment of like she's poignant confusing moment of like she's getting the handcuffs adjusted, but then getting the handcuffs adjusted, but then getting the handcuffs adjusted, but then she's like thinking about her now dead she's like thinking about her now dead she's like thinking about her now dead boyfriend and the bracelet like she boyfriend and the bracelet like she boyfriend and the bracelet like she doesn't want to break. And I really doesn't want to break. And I really doesn't want to break. And I really don't think that part was like don't think that part was like don't think that part was like an act. I don't know. an act. I don't know. an act. I don't know. >> You thought that was genuine and there >> You thought that was genuine and there >> You thought that was genuine and there was more to it. See, I just thought that was more to it. See, I just thought that was more to it. See, I just thought that that was just a kid reacting like a kid that was just a kid reacting like a kid that was just a kid reacting like a kid and not and not and not I thought it was her acting like a kid I thought it was her acting like a kid I thought it was her acting like a kid and not seeing the gravity of the and not seeing the gravity of the and not seeing the gravity of the moment, which is something she moment, which is something she moment, which is something she consistently does. She doesn't consistently does. She doesn't consistently does. She doesn't understand how grave the situation is at understand how grave the situation is at understand how grave the situation is at each point. So, I'm like, are you each point. So, I'm like, are you each point. So, I'm like, are you kidding me? Have you lost focus? You're kidding me? Have you lost focus? You're kidding me? Have you lost focus? You're being arrested. Focus on that, would being arrested. Focus on that, would being arrested. Focus on that, would you? Instead of your bracelet. I hear you? Instead of your bracelet. I hear you? Instead of your bracelet. I hear you when you say, you know, it was you when you say, you know, it was you when you say, you know, it was sentimental to her and she's

sentimental to her and she's sentimental to her and she's she is in her own way grieving. May not she is in her own way grieving. May not she is in her own way grieving. May not be the way we've talked about this. This be the way we've talked about this. This be the way we've talked about this. This whole like people judge you how you whole like people judge you how you whole like people judge you how you grieve. I I I don't know. I think the grieve. I I I don't know. I think the grieve. I I I don't know. I think the the two times I saw her look truly like the two times I saw her look truly like the two times I saw her look truly like a girl a girl a girl a very young girl a very young girl a very young girl was sitting in the back of that cop car was sitting in the back of that cop car was sitting in the back of that cop car without any makeup on, none of the other without any makeup on, none of the other without any makeup on, none of the other stupidity that she brings into her stupidity that she brings into her stupidity that she brings into her videos. She really looked like a little videos. She really looked like a little videos. She really looked like a little She looked like she was 14. Also, when She looked like she was 14. Also, when She looked like she was 14. Also, when during the trial, she looked like a during the trial, she looked like a during the trial, she looked like a little girl. She's got this little girl little girl. She's got this little girl little girl. She's got this little girl body that she's been trying to morph body that she's been trying to morph body that she's been trying to morph into this big tough girl. into this big tough girl. into this big tough girl. >> Yeah. And to me, I see when I see her >> Yeah. And to me, I see when I see her >> Yeah. And to me, I see when I see her peacocking as the big tough girl, peacocking as the big tough girl, peacocking as the big tough girl, I feel like I still see that under there I feel like I still see that under there I feel like I still see that under there where I'm just like uh like where I'm just like uh like where I'm just like uh like it's like funny like her strange videos it's like funny like her strange videos it's like funny like her strange videos that to me are obviously I'm not the that to me are obviously I'm not the that to me are obviously I'm not the target audience, but I'm just like target audience, but I'm just like target audience, but I'm just like you're like parading around in all these you're like parading around in all these you're like parading around in all these clothes and your eyelashes and whatever, clothes and your eyelashes and whatever, clothes and your eyelashes and whatever, but then I see it and I'm like, you but then I see it and I'm like, you but then I see it and I'm like, you know, you're just a girl.

know, you're just a girl. know, you're just a girl. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. She's just a girl. She's just a girl. She's just a girl. >> She's just a girl convicted of murder. >> She's just a girl convicted of murder. >> She's just a girl convicted of murder. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Twice over. So, the final question. >> Twice over. So, the final question. >> Twice over. So, the final question. What makes this case so captivating? What makes this case so captivating? What makes this case so captivating? More captivating than other crime More captivating than other crime More captivating than other crime stories. Not only do I want to ask you stories. Not only do I want to ask you stories. Not only do I want to ask you that, but I want to ask our audience. that, but I want to ask our audience. that, but I want to ask our audience. >> I mean, I think car as murder weapon is >> I mean, I think car as murder weapon is >> I mean, I think car as murder weapon is just logically interesting. And I think just logically interesting. And I think just logically interesting. And I think the fact that there's just this the fact that there's just this the fact that there's just this perfect amount of mystery in there for perfect amount of mystery in there for perfect amount of mystery in there for people to just put in there and project people to just put in there and project people to just put in there and project whatever they want is sort of like whatever they want is sort of like whatever they want is sort of like great recipe for crowd engagement. It great recipe for crowd engagement. It great recipe for crowd engagement. It sounds sounds sounds you know, callous to say that, but I you know, callous to say that, but I you know, callous to say that, but I think that people one have like opinions think that people one have like opinions think that people one have like opinions about what happened and there's enough about what happened and there's enough about what happened and there's enough room to speculate to she's room to speculate to she's room to speculate to she's captivating and in that again, I just captivating and in that again, I just captivating and in that again, I just feel like the victims are kind of lost feel like the victims are kind of lost feel like the victims are kind of lost in it. And it like in it. And it like in it. And it like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's I think it speaks to sort of the >> It's I think it speaks to sort of the >> It's I think it speaks to sort of the culture around crime these days and it culture around crime these days and it culture around crime these days and it speaks to the fact that people want to speaks to the fact that people want to speaks to the fact that people want to talk more about, you know, talk more about, you know, talk more about, you know, the killer and the details and like the killer and the details and like the killer and the details and like figure out, you know, what they really figure out, you know, what they really figure out, you know, what they really think happened. But I think that a lot think happened. But I think that a lot think happened. But I think that a lot of times that comes at the cost of the of times that comes at the cost of the of times that comes at the cost of the victims and it's it's unsurprising to me victims and it's it's unsurprising to me victims and it's it's unsurprising to me that it's not like a clear-cut case that it's not like a clear-cut case that it's not like a clear-cut case that's just simply so tragic for the that's just simply so tragic for the that's just simply so tragic for the victims that, you know, victims that, you know, victims that, you know, of course those are the cases that of course those are the cases that of course those are the cases that aren't going to be as interesting or aren't going to be as interesting or aren't going to be as interesting or like sensational. It's always these like sensational. It's always these like sensational. It's always these cases that get a lot of the attention.

cases that get a lot of the attention. cases that get a lot of the attention. >> It's true. I think >> It's true. I think >> It's true. I think Well, there's a few thoughts I have. I Well, there's a few thoughts I have. I Well, there's a few thoughts I have. I think that teen killers think that teen killers think that teen killers are unusual and people have a lot of are unusual and people have a lot of are unusual and people have a lot of interest in them because, you know, it's interest in them because, you know, it's interest in them because, you know, it's always the question like you are old always the question like you are old always the question like you are old enough to know better, but did you, you enough to know better, but did you, you enough to know better, but did you, you know, your your brain's not fully know, your your brain's not fully know, your your brain's not fully formed. So, for a teen to kill someone formed. So, for a teen to kill someone formed. So, for a teen to kill someone else, I think those cases are always else, I think those cases are always else, I think those cases are always intrinsically interesting. intrinsically interesting. intrinsically interesting. >> know what to do with them. >> know what to do with them. >> know what to do with them. >> What do you How do you How do you >> What do you How do you How do you >> What do you How do you How do you process this? How do you process a child process this? How do you process a child process this? How do you process a child routine? routine? routine? >> them? You try them as a teen or an >> them? You try them as a teen or an >> them? You try them as a teen or an adult? It's like the age-old question, adult? It's like the age-old question, adult? It's like the age-old question, like where do you put it? like where do you put it? like where do you put it? >> Right. So, that in itself, I think, is >> Right. So, that in itself, I think, is >> Right. So, that in itself, I think, is fascinating to people. fascinating to people. fascinating to people. The reason this case, The reason this case, The reason this case, I believe, has legs and we're still I believe, has legs and we're still I believe, has legs and we're still continuing to talk about it is because continuing to talk about it is because continuing to talk about it is because there's so much more information that there's so much more information that there's so much more information that drops every day, whether it's, you know, drops every day, whether it's, you know, drops every day, whether it's, you know, McKenzie's parents doing an interview McKenzie's parents doing an interview McKenzie's parents doing an interview trying to dig themselves out of a hole. trying to dig themselves out of a hole. trying to dig themselves out of a hole. Instead, they've, you know, dumped so Instead, they've, you know, dumped so Instead, they've, you know, dumped so much dirt on them, they can't even get a much dirt on them, they can't even get a much dirt on them, they can't even get a breath, right? They're They're breath, right? They're They're breath, right? They're They're completely covered. [laughter] completely covered. [laughter] completely covered. [laughter] So, there's that. Then we have all these So, there's that. Then we have all these So, there's that. Then we have all these phone calls from prison that are so phone calls from prison that are so phone calls from prison that are so fascinating. It's like an inside view We fascinating. It's like an inside view We fascinating. It's like an inside view We an inside view to a conversation between an inside view to a conversation between an inside view to a conversation between a mother and a daughter. She is in a mother and a daughter. She is in a mother and a daughter. She is in prison for killing two people, and the prison for killing two people, and the prison for killing two people, and the mother keeps talking to her about her mother keeps talking to her about her mother keeps talking to her about her hair, her eyelashes hair, her eyelashes hair, her eyelashes >> The people that are writing her, she was >> The people that are writing her, she was >> The people that are writing her, she was like, "I love Patrick." or whatever his

like, "I love Patrick." or whatever his like, "I love Patrick." or whatever his name is. name is. name is. >> It's just >> It's just >> It's just unbelievable. It's It's like has unbelievable. It's It's like has unbelievable. It's It's like has everyone just forgotten why she's in everyone just forgotten why she's in everyone just forgotten why she's in prison? So, we're being fed so much prison? So, we're being fed so much prison? So, we're being fed so much information about this case constantly. information about this case constantly. information about this case constantly. It's feeding social media. So, every day It's feeding social media. So, every day It's feeding social media. So, every day there's a new development, a new person there's a new development, a new person there's a new development, a new person talks. talks. talks. I I think that's why this is so This is I I think that's why this is so This is I I think that's why this is so This is why it's so captivating. She's why it's so captivating. She's why it's so captivating. She's captivating. The case is interesting. It captivating. The case is interesting. It captivating. The case is interesting. It has, you know, real questions that we has, you know, real questions that we has, you know, real questions that we can debate about intent and when are you can debate about intent and when are you can debate about intent and when are you old enough to be tried as an adult. So, old enough to be tried as an adult. So, old enough to be tried as an adult. So, it has real gravitas to it. And then it it has real gravitas to it. And then it it has real gravitas to it. And then it has this has this has this sideshow, freak show of her videos, her sideshow, freak show of her videos, her sideshow, freak show of her videos, her weird conversations with her mom in weird conversations with her mom in weird conversations with her mom in jail, the gibberish that she talks, you jail, the gibberish that she talks, you jail, the gibberish that she talks, you know, when she doesn't want anyone to know, when she doesn't want anyone to know, when she doesn't want anyone to know what she's saying. I mean, it's know what she's saying. I mean, it's know what she's saying. I mean, it's It's too much. One more thing about this It's too much. One more thing about this It's too much. One more thing about this case and social media. I think Dom's case and social media. I think Dom's case and social media. I think Dom's mother said it best mother said it best mother said it best at sentencing when she said, "Social at sentencing when she said, "Social at sentencing when she said, "Social media has turned this horrific tragedy media has turned this horrific tragedy media has turned this horrific tragedy into a game."

into a game." into a game." You know, where people are making fun of You know, where people are making fun of You know, where people are making fun of it it it and, you know, and, you know, and, you know, trying to get attention from it for trying to get attention from it for trying to get attention from it for themselves. themselves. themselves. And we must remember that two people are And we must remember that two people are And we must remember that two people are dead and these families have lost their dead and these families have lost their dead and these families have lost their beautiful young sons forever. There beautiful young sons forever. There beautiful young sons forever. There won't be a Christmas. There'll never be won't be a Christmas. There'll never be won't be a Christmas. There'll never be a birthday that's the same, you know? a birthday that's the same, you know? a birthday that's the same, you know? They were so young. So, They were so young. So, They were so young. So, we can't lose sight of that. >> All right. That's our show for this >> All right. That's our show for this week. Let us know in the comments what week. Let us know in the comments what week. Let us know in the comments what you think. Do you think that [music] you think. Do you think that [music] you think. Do you think that [music] Mackenzie did it intentionally? What are Mackenzie did it intentionally? What are Mackenzie did it intentionally? What are your theories as to why this case is so your theories as to why this case is so your theories as to why this case is so sensational right now? We'd love to sensational right now? We'd love to sensational right now? We'd love to hear. Until then, we'll see you next hear. Until then, we'll see you next hear. Until then, we'll see you next time.